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hey morning everybody morning morning somewhere oh I guess I could change into

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that wait is that your circuitry I don't know really so it is not it is not you're

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really dedicating to that that pendant day is it good pen amulet what do they

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call it I don't know something something legendary or when I read it it sounded

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like a an RPG item more than we're putting a surprising amount of real work

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into verifying it doesn't do anything yeah verified actually not gamer this is

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Luke's morning voice to what is different

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okay my laptop's on now all right

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okay oh yeah I guess it's scheduled right okay let me just make sure I have my

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Floatplane chat working and then I guess I'm good to go

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so so do you watch the fight last week if you can call it that I saw a little

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bits of it I didn't watch the whole thing I mean it wasn't very long did you

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watch the wait what wasn't it no it went full rounds didn't it well I mean

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yeah but they were two-minute rounds cuz they like looked at each other and

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there were eight rounds yeah so yeah we call it a show I think we should call it

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a show yeah yeah there's that clip that people have been sharing around of

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Tyson's majorly pulled punch I don't like a very clear shot and he's mid

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swinging and Jake like you can see him go like and pull back and then mid swing

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Tyson just goes yeah all right cancels it okay they've both been banned from

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boxing I don't believe you know only because like of mandatory fight rest

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times I think what like you're not allowed to fight immediately after oh okay

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yeah that's yeah whatever it unless I'm like mistaken I thought it was just a

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clickbait thing

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am I wrong I mean no one's like linking anything yeah they required time someone

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said yeah yeah so that's just that's just like actual works like daily males

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headline here is technically correct they have both been given suspensions

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from boxing it was controversial but those two things are not related yeah

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yeah yeah news is struggling all right let's let's do this thing we ready

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good morning everyone and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined

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up for you guys today what is this the DOJ will try to force Google to sell

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Chrome no not like like you have to pay for Chrome in order to use it like sell

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business unit this is freaking wild we could also talk about the fight last week

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or should we call it a show yeah I don't know we're not boxing commentators but

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like realistically that wasn't a boxing match so that's a good call I got them

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I won't give a probably not going to talk about that so hold on hold on let me

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find something else here I should probably expand on what we said last

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week or rather expand on why I wasn't able to say more last week about

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the hiatus I is that the term for multiple hiatus is hi to see whichever

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one it is Yvonne watched the segment and she was just like that sucked dude you

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didn't even like explain why you can't explain and I was like well I thought it

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was self-evident and she was like it wasn't and I was like okay thank you

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better half I will do better next time I do I understand why you thought that but

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I also understand why some people might not get it cool let's go what else we got

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today we need a puffery shirt the number of people that talk about puffery ever

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since that segment it's really it's really stayed around y'all don't seem to

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want actual tech tips yeah question mark no that that seems to be a thing that

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seems to be a thing we can talk about that also Microsoft ignite 2024 things

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you don't want plus fixing crowdstrike nice

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turned on this morning so it's not actually warm in here I was good I told

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me to wear this oh okay extremely comfy oh okay but yeah well whatever I'm

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cold right into our headline topic today the Department of Justice will try

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to force Google to sell Chrome ban default search deals and license data for

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10 years also Chrome OS might become Android so they have they've submitted

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their recommended remedies to judge a meat meta who ruled that Google illegally

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maintains a monopoly on search back in August and these are the recommended

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remedies so selling their Chrome web browser at the DOJ views it as a key

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component of Google's search monopoly with approximately 65% browser share

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across all platforms with chromium based browsers accounting for nearly 80% of

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the market however I would I would push back a little bit a little bit on clumping

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other chromium based browsers in with the chrome monopoly really their fault

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well it is and it isn't the dominance of Chrome is what's making a chromium basis

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so important for maintaining compatibility with the rest of the web

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and even though Google does not single-handedly develop another chromium

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based browser they can certainly shove certain they can certainly shove certain

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ideas along and and and make them difficult to go against even though it

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is possible in some cases they can they can attempt to manifest their own

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optimal business environment oh I like that yeah yeah I like that that's good

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that's good so anyway I think that the numbers a little I'm just saying I think

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the numbers a little fuzzy yeah it's clearly not sure 65% but I also don't

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think it's 80% 80% no matter which one of them it is though let's be real that

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is a dominant position and it was it is one that Google has has painstakingly

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meticulously created and used to their advantage this is kind of wild the next

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recommendation is banning Google from entering into default search deals which

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amount to 26 billion dollars annually and might end up hurting Mozilla more

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than it does Google rudely yeah to be clear a lot of that is 26 billion is

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going to Apple not to Mozilla but man this one oh I have kind of I have kind

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of mixed feelings on on the one hand yeah these default search deals are a

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huge part of why we all tolerate Google search because it's just there when we

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open up our browser with that said if that works then more people would use

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Bing but yeah I mean I understand just still default in Windows and Bing is

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definitely still default an edge if the product was that bad I guess people would

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be willing to switch off of it or maybe that's different platform by platform I

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mean the whole switching to iOS experience has definitely has definitely

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opened my eyes to how intuitive doesn't mean intuitive it just means

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whatever arcane ridiculousness you've personally gotten used to right and

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that is true that's true across across multiple platforms I mean how is it

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intuitive to press control alt delete to access some kind of system menu it's

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not doing for a long time exactly so so to you specifically exactly so so

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depending on the platform you might find users more or less malleable and

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it's it's pretty well established that behavior across iOS and Android users

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is different for example I remember like years ago this used to get talked about

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a lot more and maybe it's because there was more transparency into the numbers

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I actually don't know why nobody talks about it anymore but I remember it would

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it would make headlines sort of like cyclically that Apple users spend way

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more money yeah on the app store they used to be super common to be talked

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about I think that was often when there was notable or more notable I would say

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differences between the apps I remember people used to be really frustrated because Android users had lower image quality on Instagram back in the day

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yeah yeah that was little things like that were were much more discernible it

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was you generally had a worse experience on Android because Android users were

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seen as like cheap and not worth focusing on development yeah and and and and

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they were yeah to be honest so like yeah like very measurably if you don't

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remember this it was like a huge topic and like a like a many times multiplier

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it wasn't like the average Android user spends 9% less on apps compared to the

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average Apple user and this was more of a thing back I would imagine more of a

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thing back when like pretty much every app was like kind of useless unless you

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spent like two or three dollars like that was what a that was what a paid app

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was back in the day it wasn't so much subscription based services in 2024 the

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average iPhone user spends $12.77 per app by comparison the average Android

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user spends $6.19 so it's still double still double wow okay as far as my

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understanding goes it was like a much bigger gap in the past but I'm not I

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don't know how to percent right now I don't know if what Parkour is saying here is true but if it it funny if true a snapchat on Android was apparently

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just a screenshot of the camera compared to iOS directly using the camera it

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doesn't really it wouldn't really it wouldn't really surprise me that much it

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works I mean yeah and do you really need do you really need that kind of

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fidelity in a pick I mean I'm just asking questions I'm just asking

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questions you know if you if you have lower fidelity you might gain a pixel

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here there yeah I mean it's not the whole point of snapchat low fidelity get it

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different kinds of fidelity see I got it I'm actually I'm actually I'm actually

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what's what's what's our nuts Ashley Madison just released their just

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released released their most non monogamous cities in Canada list oh no

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yeah Vancouver really Vancouver's very low non monogamy so I mean to be clear

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I'm not saying that that's that's a goal I'm just there's there's all kinds of

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well there's like you know ethical non monogamy but isn't that site specifically

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I'm not judging you if you're like for cheating though well there's a big

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difference I mean is any site for anything really Luke I mean it's

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Floatplane for early access to anymore although very occasionally very

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occasionally there are things but I was actually hinting at something but I yeah

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look what I found oh wow I didn't find it I'm gonna put it in my luggage and then

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I found it that way but I found a relic wow that is not even that many people in

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the audience are even gonna know what that's a name I've not heard in a long

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time a long time I pulled that on my luggage was like what what is this yeah

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so apparently I lost a shirt but I still have the tuc nice yeah I I'm pretty

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sure I still have the shirt kicking around somewhere yeah but it's not it's

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not my go-to pajama shirt anymore it was for a long time now it's my gbo shirt

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yeah yeah another another name that hasn't stood the test of time what on

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earth were we supposed to be talking about oh right Google they also are

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recommending that Google be required to license its search index data to

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competitors for 10 years so this is the kind of like whoa not slap on the

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wrist but actual like no you guys need to not behave like this again and you

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guys need to take active steps to prop up your competitors to make up for the

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anti-competitive practices that you guys have engaged in and I gotta tell you

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already slightly we're not even all the way through the list here already I'm

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looking at this going I I have no idea what's gonna happen in January because on

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the one hand I think we've I think we've both been pretty happy to see the US

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actually finally engage in oh dude Lena Khan any antitrust investigations and

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remediation but I I have no idea whether that will or won't continue with

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the next administration because I think that everyone on both sides of the

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political spectrum can agree that it is likely to be unpredictable yeah I I know

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a pretty strong theory around this whole like you're gonna have to sell Chrome

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thing is that Google's probable defense is going to be to delay as much as

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possible and try again with the new administration the thing with the new

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administration though is I don't think they have any particular love for Google

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the in general general reply to that theory is that big tech right now is

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kind of at odds with both sides which is kind of a funny thing because a lot of

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the a lot of the transgressions that both sides are kind of mad at big tech

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about are are very different from each other like they're sort of mad for

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completely different reasons yeah and it's hard to feel bad for you know the

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tech billionaires that have kind of you know sold us up the river over and over

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and over again over the last couple of decades but I do kind of feel like at

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this point now that everything's so far gone that they just are monopolies

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whether they you know kind of like it or not and to be clear you do not have to

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be the mono in monopoly is not actually like strictly speaking necessary right

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you can just be in a dominant abusively dominant position you don't

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actually just have to be a monopoly to follow foul of antitrust regulations if

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you completely control everything yes or don't even close to it or or or

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collude with a handful of other parties to control things yeah veritasium has an

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amazing video on it so there are some very very there there are some very

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non monopolist cities in Canada sorry wait what are we talking about the point

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is just that everyone's kind of mad at them and looking for an excuse to kind

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of punish them but the remediation that another administration might ask for

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might be really different yes I guess is is what I would worry about so maybe

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roll the dice again kind of thinking this is probably one of the worst they

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could have got and then hoping for better I don't know yeah I do think the just

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jumping back to it a little bit because I saw some comments about this in the flow plane chat when we were talking about it but the 26 billion in search

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deals hurting you know it's gonna hurt Apple but not really Apple will be fine

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yeah exactly it's really like the the big damage that we're probably gonna feel

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is to Mozilla they're declining in usership effectively constantly oh

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thanks Dan I wasn't actually I think okay I want to clarify something really

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quick that's not my gesture for fill my water I was checking if there was water

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in it that the optics of that were not great

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that's I didn't even notice that's pretty funny but but yeah I so like honestly

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this shake up okay significantly less cash in the bank I suspect it might

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immediately hurt Mozilla in the ability to employ people department things like

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that as far as my understanding goes they actually had layoffs recently I

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suspect that may continue if this happens but a significant shake up in the

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browser market could result in a user base increase an actual one we can help

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that could result in Firefox actually having long legs instead of this just

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constant decline to eventual irrelevance which they've been kind of on the

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path of I enjoy Firefox I use Firefox daily in my personal life Firefox has

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been my mobile browser actually the entire time I've ever had an Android phone

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since the very beginning of having an Android phone it's gonna be so much

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less lucrative for Firefox to even have users if they aren't benefiting from

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that Google default search deal yeah you know Bing could swoop in it's not a

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ban of there being default search deals it's just a ban of there being you know

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Google once it reduces the competition yeah who's the competition why would

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Microsoft have to pay a ton of money for it and and if I'm Microsoft and I'm

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watching this go down for Google I'm like I don't know if I want to do that

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yeah yeah I mean that's like that's how this is supposed to work right like

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that's these remedies are not supposed to be oh here's a one billion dollar fine

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like cost of doing business they're supposed to be like oh crap everyone

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else looking at this going holy crap we really should not do that we should not

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do that people are talking about like duck duck go the issue is that duck duck

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go doesn't have any money like they have money but they don't have like billions

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of dollars a year to use our search engine money otherwise they would just be

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doing it already I'll talk I'll talk I'm guessing in full plain chat said since

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2019 Mozilla has lost 30 million monthly average users yikes yeah so they've been

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on a just they've lost almost an entire Canada of users eventually they're not

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going to have anything to take this money from anyways right like there will be

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nothing for Google to have bought from them so like I don't know I I'm I'm

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hoping that a re-roll of the dice a shake-up something like that might give

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them a chance it's going to hurt a lot in the short term because that money is

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just going to disappear yeah but hold I don't know hopefully something can

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happen out of this that that works out I think the real question Luke is what

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have you been doing to help Mozilla it's not like there aren't things you

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could do I using it personally it's not enough we put I mean why don't you make

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it why don't we put on the lab site that it works best in Firefox why don't you

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make it so that flow plane can only be accessed with Firefox since they're all

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using Firefox anyway that is a problem that is a good call we probably should

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have done that yeah I can I can look towards doing that in the future do you

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have your phone in your pocket is it me I think it's this iPhone I think the

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is a lot worse in terms of interference because I've kept my phone over

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there for since before you brought the I wasn't causing an issue unless it got

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damaged and now for those missing context we've done some polls and the

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Floatplane the full plane audience swears up and down that they are using

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Firefox but we have actual like site access yeah statistics and they don't

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yeah people have pointed out that you can like spoof it so that it reports that

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you're using Chrome for like weird compatibility recent things I sincerely

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doubt that that percentage of people are spoofing it sincerely definitely not a

00:23:49.420 --> 00:23:56.900
thing all right yeah more remediations not selling Android but restricting it

00:23:56.900 --> 00:24:03.220
from favoring Google search now because this is focused on search and not you

00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:08.820
know web mail or web documents or whatever the case may be it sounds like

00:24:08.820 --> 00:24:15.100
they could still have default Google apps but I do wonder if this if this all

00:24:15.100 --> 00:24:19.340
goes through this all went through if Google would look at a lot of their

00:24:19.340 --> 00:24:26.260
current practices and go hey how do we avoid any more of this restricting

00:24:26.260 --> 00:24:30.780
Android from favoring Google search that is like what would that look like so

00:24:30.780 --> 00:24:35.900
instead of that default Google search bar like I would be prompted when I suspect

00:24:35.900 --> 00:24:42.060
on phone setup you or maybe with an update now one time and then set up in

00:24:42.060 --> 00:24:46.460
the future you would be prompted to choose your default search and there

00:24:46.460 --> 00:24:49.700
would probably be like you know you're and it would have to be randomized five

00:24:49.700 --> 00:24:53.300
and then other and it would probably yeah the list would probably have to be

00:24:53.300 --> 00:24:58.860
randomized wow and it would involve undoing Google's two billion dollar

00:24:58.860 --> 00:25:03.060
investment in AI startup and thropic that would be a really big bummer for

00:25:03.100 --> 00:25:07.860
anthropic wait really why no no no like what I'm saying not that it would be a

00:25:07.860 --> 00:25:12.780
I understand why I'd be a big bummer for them I'm wondering why they have to do

00:25:12.780 --> 00:25:19.260
this I I don't know a ton about anthropic and that and that investment

00:25:19.260 --> 00:25:25.660
but what I would guess is that anthropic is super super focused on search but

00:25:25.660 --> 00:25:30.780
I'm just guessing I'm completely guessing Google has responded calling the

00:25:30.780 --> 00:25:36.860
DOJ's proposal staggering wildly overbroad and part of a radical

00:25:36.860 --> 00:25:42.340
interventionist agenda that would harm Americans and break a range of Google

00:25:42.340 --> 00:25:49.700
products in an example of how excruciatingly horrible this would be

00:25:49.700 --> 00:25:54.580
Google said that the proposal and this is a quote would literally require us to

00:25:54.580 --> 00:25:58.820
install not one but two separate choice screens before you could access Google

00:25:58.820 --> 00:26:03.420
search on a pixel phone you bought and the design of these choice screens would

00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:07.100
have to be approved by the technical committee and that's just a small part

00:26:07.100 --> 00:26:12.820
of it we wish we were making this up is that an actual quote that's from Google's

00:26:12.820 --> 00:26:26.820
blog are they for real right now this is oh my goodness guys yeah a device set

00:26:26.820 --> 00:26:31.460
up wizard is a thing which you already have by the way this is actually very

00:26:31.460 --> 00:26:34.980
interesting because this is such an early wancho we have a bunch of EU viewers

00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:41.340
and apparently this is like already a thing for them that makes sense

00:26:41.340 --> 00:26:46.020
Drek Korrex said in the EU you already get to choose the search engine on

00:26:46.020 --> 00:26:51.180
Android technically they said as far as I know at the end of that this is

00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:55.420
hilarious yeah people are saying yes we have that already yeah so like what do

00:26:55.420 --> 00:27:00.860
you even mean you already did it for them and it's worth noting that in the

00:27:00.860 --> 00:27:05.980
EU Android actually maintains better market share than it does in the US so

00:27:05.980 --> 00:27:12.420
clearly clearly that ain't the variable that is affecting that so annoying

00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:17.500
what an annoying thing to say I hope they lose just because of that can you

00:27:17.500 --> 00:27:23.140
can you imagine sitting at Google and thinking that typing that is a good idea

00:27:23.140 --> 00:27:27.060
like how did that at a certain point you wonder if like the person who wrote it

00:27:27.060 --> 00:27:32.020
is like yeah let's let's torpedo ourselves a little bit because like that's

00:27:32.020 --> 00:27:39.220
the worst I don't know we wish we were making this up are you kidding me hold

00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:45.860
on you know what no my my source thing oh my god because that is that poking fun

00:27:45.860 --> 00:27:53.540
at yourself this is literally literally at blog I didn't even believe it like I

00:27:53.540 --> 00:27:58.900
trust I trust Riley okay and and he had the citation in there so I saw the

00:27:58.900 --> 00:28:02.460
citation I went I don't need to click through to this but I was like no no the

00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:07.400
people deserve for me to actually click through to the Google blog yeah and see

00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:12.940
that this is literally we wish we were making this up I wish I was making this

00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:16.940
up we already did this in the EU so really we don't have to do any of this

00:28:16.940 --> 00:28:22.220
at all but we wish we were making this up I I've had multiple conversations with

00:28:22.220 --> 00:28:26.980
multiple people good people strong people the best people tear streaming down

00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:32.900
their eyes the window list of people about the like the slow death of just

00:28:32.900 --> 00:28:37.180
Google in general like they suck like if we're if we're looking at the

00:28:37.180 --> 00:28:44.580
landscape of like modern you know web Silicon Valley style companies what have

00:28:44.580 --> 00:28:49.500
they done in the last long time other than just like kill stuff and not innovate

00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:54.220
let me think what have they done okay does it count as a thing they've done

00:28:54.220 --> 00:28:59.140
if they ultimately killed it no okay that doesn't count no okay hold on

00:28:59.140 --> 00:29:06.460
thinking Google fiber well wait no hold on and that's old wait no

00:29:06.460 --> 00:29:13.420
okay hold on there's got to be something apparently the EU has had the

00:29:13.420 --> 00:29:18.660
choice screen on Android since 2019 actually okay YouTube YouTube has done

00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:22.180
some pretty cool stuff YouTube is the only thing I've been able to think of

00:29:22.180 --> 00:29:26.700
that has had positive innovation and it has also had really junky negative

00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:34.500
innovation yes this is true this is true I would say yeah I was gonna say that

00:29:34.540 --> 00:29:38.340
finding stuff to buy through Google and if we're talking about monopolies is

00:29:38.340 --> 00:29:42.740
better like like the interface is better but all the sponsored stuff that gunks

00:29:42.740 --> 00:29:49.500
up the results is not better so I take that one back Android is better than

00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:57.260
ever but like nothing crazy has changed in like it's better than ever though it's

00:29:57.260 --> 00:30:06.060
like sure well I'm looking to find stuff you don't get to be like fair yeah

00:30:06.060 --> 00:30:10.500
fair enough fair enough okay Google workspace has stood still for a super

00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:14.620
long time they don't even have their own realistic chat I know they have chats

00:30:14.620 --> 00:30:20.740
which they swear to me that they use internally and I don't believe it oh oh

00:30:20.740 --> 00:30:24.820
Google Maps Google maybe they do but they also use other things I bet maybe

00:30:24.940 --> 00:30:28.060
other people have had access to this for a long time but my Android Auto

00:30:28.060 --> 00:30:33.820
interface for Google Maps finally allows me to report problems like if I see

00:30:33.820 --> 00:30:37.500
police I can report it in Google Maps I mean they acquired ways what 10 years

00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:42.460
ago so it's it's understandable it took them a little while to port that

00:30:42.460 --> 00:30:49.700
functionality over someone says they've had that a map for a long time I don't

00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:55.420
man it it did not show up into my interface until like a couple weeks ago

00:30:55.420 --> 00:30:59.180
which was the reason that I exclusively use ways even though Waze's search is

00:30:59.180 --> 00:31:06.420
terrible like my own badminton center doesn't show up in Waze search and I

00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:10.780
don't I don't I don't know why because it's on Google Maps like you they're

00:31:10.780 --> 00:31:13.820
literally owned by the same company I thought that's the point of being a

00:31:13.860 --> 00:31:21.020
monopoly like the actual point but anyway on basically everything they've

00:31:21.020 --> 00:31:24.980
stood still on on they have some people the company that are obviously still

00:31:24.980 --> 00:31:29.060
doing good work like they have their their AI researchers wrote the white

00:31:29.060 --> 00:31:34.460
paper on like what is breaking the world right now but then they have like one

00:31:34.460 --> 00:31:38.580
of the worst ones in Gemini because they didn't capitalize on it because they

00:31:38.580 --> 00:31:42.460
don't seem to be able to do anything and the reason why I got onto this topic

00:31:42.460 --> 00:31:47.260
is because of the way we wish we were making this up almost feels like they're

00:31:47.260 --> 00:31:51.900
they're pointing at themselves because the and the design of those choice

00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:57.220
screens would have to be approved by the technical committee that part is like

00:31:57.220 --> 00:32:02.060
okay yeah because we can't trust you to do it on your own based on your own

00:32:02.060 --> 00:32:07.260
website and documentation you already did it so like what are you talking about

00:32:07.260 --> 00:32:11.460
yeah that looks fine yeah it does it's completely fine and they literally

00:32:11.460 --> 00:32:15.180
already did it yeah that looks like let's just do that what are you talking

00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:20.700
about make things again like Google was such a sick company I really liked

00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:24.860
Google I really like Google workspace I can't tell what's different in Google

00:32:24.860 --> 00:32:27.900
workspace I can tell you cool stuff I can tell you cool stuff they've done

00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:33.180
okay they have those like hardware decoding cards for video hardware video

00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:38.340
decoding cards those are cool I don't like a while ago but they like are like

00:32:38.380 --> 00:32:42.900
working on them and stuff yeah so they they that's not really for users though

00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:51.140
we get the results of it yeah we look I I I have said before and I maintain that

00:32:51.140 --> 00:32:57.300
YouTube is one of the wonders of the world it is like I think if we when we

00:32:57.300 --> 00:33:01.380
if we didn't have YouTube anymore we would look back on the time that we

00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:04.900
would have that we had YouTube and we would go the internet would be different

00:33:04.940 --> 00:33:10.780
good Lord like the the the knowledge the library sharing of human experience I

00:33:10.780 --> 00:33:15.980
really do feel like it would be a loss yeah maybe not quite on that level

00:33:15.980 --> 00:33:21.460
because of how little sort of written knowledge there was in the world at that

00:33:21.460 --> 00:33:28.940
time right but I think that given even more time and given even more more

00:33:28.940 --> 00:33:33.260
build-up of collective knowledge I think we're in there but I think you could

00:33:33.260 --> 00:33:36.460
make the argument I just didn't want to make such a strong statement but no I

00:33:36.460 --> 00:33:40.100
think I think it would be I think it would be like that losing something of

00:33:40.100 --> 00:33:44.300
that magnitude at this time one of the big things with YouTube is when you'll

00:33:44.300 --> 00:33:50.300
you'll find videos on there that are like from 13 years ago and it's it's like

00:33:50.300 --> 00:33:54.900
potato you know but it's it's when people were archiving footage from like

00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:59.100
pre-internet era so it's not only is it from 13 years ago it's actually from

00:33:59.420 --> 00:34:04.060
way before that yep and there's literally nowhere else to access it because on

00:34:04.060 --> 00:34:10.260
YouTube any yahoo it's kind of a joke because it's pretty good yeah I can

00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:17.180
upload anything they want and it just is there and it's just documented that is

00:34:17.180 --> 00:34:22.060
that is I'm not gonna call it a public service because they're clearly a for

00:34:22.060 --> 00:34:26.180
profit company and they and they profit from it with your data and your

00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:31.340
attention to ads and your premium subscriptions and all of those things but

00:34:31.340 --> 00:34:36.420
it to lose it would be catastrophic I think at this point yeah but yeah they

00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:44.580
I when's the last time they launched a Gmail you know like when they launched

00:34:44.580 --> 00:34:48.020
Gmail they launched it on April Fool's almost as like a joke and then just took

00:34:48.020 --> 00:34:52.780
over the world like they don't do stuff like that anymore Google workspace

00:34:52.820 --> 00:35:01.900
again hasn't moved at all Gemini I'd say yeah someone's phone is oh Gemini I

00:35:01.900 --> 00:35:08.860
say Docs is notably behind it's actually better than it used to be I as someone

00:35:08.860 --> 00:35:12.660
who uses it every day it's a lot better than it was five years ago I'll tell you

00:35:12.660 --> 00:35:18.420
that it's definitely better what's changed in the last five years specifically I

00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:22.420
don't know but just it's the interface is just always like getting a little

00:35:22.460 --> 00:35:25.700
better it's always getting a little better there's still things that are probably

00:35:25.700 --> 00:35:28.860
one of those things where I can't imagine it but if I saw a version for five

00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:31.860
years ago it's probably changed subtly over time still things that are super

00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:37.980
obnoxious like once a document is is pressing return is two spaces it's like

00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:41.340
damn near impossible to get it to stop doing that for some reason like you can

00:35:41.340 --> 00:35:45.060
go in you can tell it single spacing you can tell it whatever you want but if

00:35:45.060 --> 00:35:49.820
you like paste something in that has that inherent formatting in it already for

00:35:49.820 --> 00:35:59.660
some reason it just like breaks it forever as far as I can tell them I'm sure there is a way around it but it is not intuitive to a word user a long time

00:35:59.660 --> 00:36:03.820
word user someone in full-point chat Tim said come on you know more than anyone

00:36:03.820 --> 00:36:07.020
that small back-end changes are so huge and you don't realize them unless you

00:36:07.020 --> 00:36:11.140
look at them side-by-side yeah I know that what I what I but this is from a

00:36:11.140 --> 00:36:16.020
consumer standpoint yeah give me something as a consumer back-end changes

00:36:16.020 --> 00:36:21.780
smooth out your infrastructure and make managing it easier and they might even

00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:26.660
improve responsiveness here and there but for the most part every time that I've

00:36:26.660 --> 00:36:30.340
seen Google tell me that a back-end change is supposed to make my user

00:36:30.340 --> 00:36:35.060
experience better it has made it literally worse I'm sure it happens a

00:36:35.060 --> 00:36:38.300
bunch of times without them really communicating to you this is totally a

00:36:38.300 --> 00:36:41.460
thing it's it's super annoying beyond being on a team when you have to work on

00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:45.660
stuff that user the most egregious example of this is the analytics dashboard

00:36:45.940 --> 00:36:49.980
which used to be extremely snappy except for the occasional time that it

00:36:49.980 --> 00:36:55.460
wasn't and now okay of course it's behaving well right now yeah now it is

00:36:55.460 --> 00:37:00.220
for the most part a piece of garbage it's actually doing really well right now

00:37:00.220 --> 00:37:07.780
but it had it I I could talk for a long time about how much I hate the new

00:37:07.780 --> 00:37:11.020
analytics dashboard and it's not even new it's like seven years old at this

00:37:11.020 --> 00:37:15.620
point but I I can't stand it I can't think of anything new that I use for

00:37:15.620 --> 00:37:22.340
from from Google and most of the old things that I use from Google are

00:37:22.340 --> 00:37:27.860
becoming harder and harder to justify over time due to price increases from

00:37:27.860 --> 00:37:31.500
you know getting my YouTube music from my premium subscription that just went

00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:35.220
up by 60% because they're trying to shoehorn in AI features that are really

00:37:35.220 --> 00:37:39.660
expensive dude so they're cranking the price up just give me Google play music

00:37:39.660 --> 00:37:45.100
back yeah I was actually better like the thing that I did the one feature I

00:37:45.140 --> 00:37:49.820
cared about the reason that I spent a bunch of money on Sonos speakers and the

00:37:49.820 --> 00:37:55.180
reason that I got a Google play music subscription was because from my music

00:37:55.180 --> 00:38:02.460
app I could just click cast like like just the cast button you know like like

00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:05.820
the Chromecast cast button I could just click the cast button and then pick my

00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:10.380
speakers and the integration was perfect and flawless and I never had to touch

00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:15.260
that piece of Sonos app I like and now that it's like so bad that like their

00:38:15.260 --> 00:38:22.980
CEO had to apologize I feel so validated in that sort of that decision I made to

00:38:22.980 --> 00:38:28.820
completely avoid it also oh my god I don't know when this happened but again

00:38:28.820 --> 00:38:34.860
back to Android Auto for a second here I can't search in my in my YouTube music

00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:41.500
app like I have to like I can voice search not in the app like I can be like

00:38:41.500 --> 00:38:47.700
I don't know play Justin Bieber or whatever right like I can do that but if

00:38:47.700 --> 00:38:53.740
I'm if I'm like if I'm like using the interface there's no search and the

00:38:53.740 --> 00:38:58.860
browse is super hamstrung and what's what's really wild is there's no start

00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:04.180
radio button in it anymore and that is it literally like how I use my music app

00:39:04.180 --> 00:39:08.340
is like I find a song that I'm kind of in the mood for and then I click start

00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:11.380
radio yeah because I just want to I kind of want to listen to stuff like that

00:39:11.380 --> 00:39:17.500
type of song yeah and that that start radio button is no longer there in the

00:39:17.500 --> 00:39:21.460
player for me and I see a lot of people when I was talking about maps saying like

00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:26.100
oh yeah mine has this mine has that it's all over the place though the fact that

00:39:26.100 --> 00:39:29.500
you I'm not saying you don't have it and you guys might even have a start radio

00:39:29.500 --> 00:39:38.780
button I have no idea but I don't and it is very annoying very annoying okay no

00:39:38.780 --> 00:39:42.540
one is actually yeah no one's actually disagreeing with this one so I guess

00:39:42.540 --> 00:39:48.620
yeah it's apparently still still bad but yeah just just get bury the hatchet

00:39:48.620 --> 00:39:57.260
with Sonos and just make it work again please I don't know I just I've heard a

00:39:57.300 --> 00:40:01.020
lot of stuff about how and who knows what's true and what isn't true but I've

00:40:01.020 --> 00:40:04.340
heard a lot of stuff about how things work inside of Google apparently the

00:40:04.340 --> 00:40:10.100
best way to get promoted was for a long time was to like champion a project to

00:40:10.100 --> 00:40:16.260
launch yeah then you would just get promoted after it launched so it that

00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:20.940
project would like lose its leader stagnate and then get closed down so it

00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:25.380
was just this like farm for junk for a long time so for at the beginning they

00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:30.260
were making new good things rapidly and then they saw new good things coming out

00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:33.900
rapidly is a good thing for the business so let's incentivize that promote

00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:38.140
people that do that but then the people inside that just wanted promotions and

00:40:38.140 --> 00:40:43.340
money were abandoning all their projects so they were making new good things and

00:40:43.340 --> 00:40:48.500
getting rid of them rapidly for many many years and then now they just don't

00:40:48.500 --> 00:40:54.060
seem to really do anything cubes the gamer has one RCS yeah and that wasn't

00:40:54.180 --> 00:40:59.540
just a matter of like developing it that was that was like launching and

00:40:59.540 --> 00:41:04.980
maintaining for an extended period of time an extremely ultimately effective

00:41:04.980 --> 00:41:10.060
campaign to get attention from regulators I was saying a big part of the

00:41:10.060 --> 00:41:15.140
lobbying almost more than anything else I think RCS is a good example it's

00:41:15.140 --> 00:41:20.260
crazy to me that there is this few examples for a company of 200,000

00:41:20.260 --> 00:41:26.820
people this is true this is fair Google meet is pretty good these days

00:41:27.420 --> 00:41:34.260
I'm just like I'm barely matters when people are actively moving away from

00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:43.180
Google workspace because if you want to be on workspace and you want an actually good chat client you're using workspace in slack and workspace in slack

00:41:43.180 --> 00:41:49.340
as a combination is quite expensive in my opinion slack is significantly better

00:41:49.340 --> 00:41:56.980
than teams workspace itself though has stagnated so hard that office 365 seems

00:41:56.980 --> 00:42:01.780
to have mostly caught up to them yeah if not at parody yeah biggest problem with

00:42:01.780 --> 00:42:06.980
office 365 is that teams is just such a dumpster fire it's better than it used

00:42:06.980 --> 00:42:13.460
to be I still so bad I have I have messages to you can't to group chat

00:42:13.620 --> 00:42:19.620
not existed before yeah I know why well if you attach something to a chat

00:42:19.620 --> 00:42:25.460
message you have to wait for it to upload before you click send yeah why in

00:42:25.460 --> 00:42:29.620
slack if I attach something and click send it just sends once it attaches yeah

00:42:29.620 --> 00:42:35.060
duh like there's there's so many things that are just holy crap if you're in a

00:42:35.060 --> 00:42:39.820
big group chat it highlights the box for whoever's talking except for you so you

00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:46.580
can't tell if your mic's working why just why there's so much stuff that's

00:42:46.580 --> 00:42:54.340
just so confusing we need to get a couch on the wanshow set so he can but so he can lie on the couch and teams but teams therapy

00:42:54.340 --> 00:42:59.980
teams is going to keep improving because something that Microsoft is quite good

00:42:59.980 --> 00:43:05.860
at is this just never-ending March yep they just keep moving usually a little

00:43:05.860 --> 00:43:10.460
bit slower yeah and sometimes backwards but they just keep moving so

00:43:10.460 --> 00:43:14.580
eventually teams will be good enough you know there's only so much you can do

00:43:14.580 --> 00:43:21.380
with the chat client you're seeing the type of innovation that slack has been bringing lately it's like I think we're at feature parody with MSN messenger

00:43:21.380 --> 00:43:25.220
now so the the only way to go is upward from here we're getting there but it's

00:43:25.220 --> 00:43:31.740
just it's gonna be really hard for IT teams to justify the cost of having an

00:43:31.740 --> 00:43:35.780
expensive Google workspace subscription especially when they're trying to not

00:43:35.780 --> 00:43:39.380
give you discounts anymore unless you also buy Gemini which nobody wants and

00:43:39.380 --> 00:43:45.020
then also a very premium very expensive Slack subscription when you could get all

00:43:45.020 --> 00:43:49.940
of that under a 365 license or a lark license or something like that at a

00:43:49.940 --> 00:43:55.300
massively decreased price with more features VDK a makes a very important

00:43:55.300 --> 00:44:01.340
point here until we have a nudge feature parody with MSN messenger will not have

00:44:01.340 --> 00:44:05.660
been achieved you are you are right yeah thank you for that and I'm sorry I have

00:44:05.660 --> 00:44:10.860
misspoke and I have besmirched the good name of MSN messenger and I will not do

00:44:10.860 --> 00:44:16.060
it again I miss miss I will not do it again okay what else we got here Google

00:44:16.060 --> 00:44:20.500
claims the DOJ should be focusing on revising search distribution agreements

00:44:20.500 --> 00:44:26.780
instead okay this is interesting Google isn't the only one who thinks this is a

00:44:26.780 --> 00:44:31.300
bad idea some analysts worry about its feasibility and unintended consequences

00:44:31.300 --> 00:44:34.980
for example it could potentially harm schools that use Chromebooks and disrupt

00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:38.220
the browser market which relies heavily on Google's open source Chromium project

00:44:38.220 --> 00:44:44.260
those are both good things some analysts realize that something might happen if

00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:50.380
this happens and like this is one of those things where it feels a little bit

00:44:50.380 --> 00:44:55.780
like the housing bubble in Vancouver where the my backyard the bigger the

00:44:55.780 --> 00:45:00.900
bubble gets the more hand-wringing there is over doing anything about this

00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:06.060
because of the economic harm and it's like right you hand-ring the harder the

00:45:06.060 --> 00:45:09.980
economic harm gets but like if we done everything properly we wouldn't be here

00:45:09.980 --> 00:45:16.220
in the first place and the further we allow it to expand the bigger the

00:45:16.220 --> 00:45:20.940
explosion when it pops yeah like yes there's gonna be collateral damage if all

00:45:20.940 --> 00:45:24.780
of this goes through there will absolutely be unintended consequences for

00:45:24.820 --> 00:45:31.820
but the longer we wait the worse it gets the more the more atrophied every

00:45:31.820 --> 00:45:36.180
other potential competitor will become because of Google's dominant position

00:45:36.180 --> 00:45:41.220
why you shouldn't allow this to happen in the first place ideally yeah speaking

00:45:41.220 --> 00:45:45.600
of the Vancouver housing bubble it's it's kind of starting to look a little

00:45:45.600 --> 00:45:51.940
shaky it's looking a little a little sad you know it's it's making a noise like

00:45:51.980 --> 00:45:57.380
sales are erupting though yeah sales are sales are going up which will maybe

00:45:57.380 --> 00:46:02.740
prop things up a little bit but also interest rates apparently apparently

00:46:02.740 --> 00:46:09.020
the Trudeau government is doing like like a buy your vote program oh yeah you

00:46:09.020 --> 00:46:16.220
saw that too I'm happy you had the exact same reaction I did and I saw elections

00:46:16.220 --> 00:46:19.660
coming soon what if we what if we lower taxes and give you money how about that

00:46:19.780 --> 00:46:24.820
what if we got rid of first past the post you ever think of that mr. JT yeah

00:46:24.820 --> 00:46:33.260
that thing you said you'd do yeah remember did you ever think of that because I'll tell you what I'll make you a deal mr. Trudeau right now if you're

00:46:33.260 --> 00:46:39.860
watching this I will wholeheartedly emphatically endorse you for the next

00:46:39.860 --> 00:46:45.980
election if you get first past the post gotten rid of if you do that thing you

00:46:45.980 --> 00:46:50.100
said you're gonna before the election you follow through on that first term

00:46:50.100 --> 00:46:58.140
election promise I will I will I will say hey for all of his other warts at

00:46:58.140 --> 00:47:02.700
least the ones that I can see and the ones I can't see don't show me your warts

00:47:02.700 --> 00:47:07.420
hey he's got that cool fall down the stairs trick and he got rid of first

00:47:07.420 --> 00:47:13.260
past the post that's enough for me all right because we need election reform

00:47:13.340 --> 00:47:20.540
yes we do we need it desperately so I'm there you go I'm in that's all you got

00:47:20.540 --> 00:47:23.660
to do what is first past the post I would actually recommend that you watch a

00:47:23.660 --> 00:47:31.260
CGP gray video on that but effectively with first past the post you are going

00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:35.820
to end up being forced into what is effectively a two-party system yes if

00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:40.140
you don't have first past the post you then have ranked choice ideally so you

00:47:40.140 --> 00:47:44.340
rank your choices and if one of your parties that you voted for as your

00:47:44.340 --> 00:47:48.820
first choice is clearly definitely going to lose they just dump that and your

00:47:48.820 --> 00:47:52.380
vote goes towards the second choice and so on and so forth until there's a

00:47:52.380 --> 00:47:57.860
winner it also it also makes it so that like let's say you had a super

00:47:57.860 --> 00:48:05.980
polarized electorate hypothetical scenario if if you had if you had your

00:48:05.980 --> 00:48:12.500
your rank chose rank choice voting card and it had like the the the super

00:48:12.500 --> 00:48:17.620
right-wing party here or you had a super right-wing party kind of a centrist

00:48:17.620 --> 00:48:24.340
party and a super left-wing party if you were to say well okay I am very aligned

00:48:24.340 --> 00:48:28.620
with the right-wing party and very misaligned with the left-wing party but

00:48:28.620 --> 00:48:33.620
I guess these center guys would kind of be okay and if everybody basically did

00:48:33.620 --> 00:48:38.140
that but like flip-flopped that center party would actually have some

00:48:38.140 --> 00:48:43.300
representation in the formed government yeah because if everyone kind of agreed

00:48:43.300 --> 00:48:47.980
that these guys are okay even though one of the other two hyper polarized

00:48:47.980 --> 00:48:55.780
parties was their first choice those those centrist sort of mindsets would be

00:48:55.780 --> 00:48:59.220
much more representative is pretty much what it would come down to first pass the

00:48:59.220 --> 00:49:04.580
post drives people to extremes because it ends up making in my opinion most

00:49:04.580 --> 00:49:10.380
people vote on an anything but them type basis instead of for what they actually

00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:16.260
want and ranked choice voting allows you to vote for what you actually want which

00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:22.060
is like enormously massive difference or or or more like it allows you to it

00:49:22.060 --> 00:49:28.100
allows you to specify what would be uncompletely unacceptable and what

00:49:28.100 --> 00:49:33.100
would be more acceptable and what would be preferred and then you can you can

00:49:33.100 --> 00:49:37.780
account for that it often results in something that's a little bit more

00:49:37.780 --> 00:49:44.620
average not necessarily the best or better but it'll it'll help lean towards

00:49:44.620 --> 00:49:54.180
something that's a little bit more average instead of more extreme I don't think there's any like voting system that involves everyone and is perfect I

00:49:54.180 --> 00:49:57.820
don't think there's any voting system that's perfect really no but first pass

00:49:57.820 --> 00:50:03.540
the post is like definitely one of the worst yes there are worse ones yeah but

00:50:03.540 --> 00:50:09.060
but it's one of the worst but first pass the post is really good for the

00:50:09.060 --> 00:50:14.980
incumbent it's really good for those parties that are that currently hold

00:50:14.980 --> 00:50:18.620
all the power so that's why it's really hard to get any kind of reform passed

00:50:18.620 --> 00:50:22.900
because they are highly disincentivized to do it it's really it's really

00:50:22.900 --> 00:50:26.780
frustrating why is it called first pass the post as a shortcut it's called first

00:50:26.780 --> 00:50:31.980
pass the post because whoever passes the requisite number of votes to win that

00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:38.860
race just takes all the marbles instead of accounting for for anything else

00:50:38.860 --> 00:50:44.620
digital be 11 says Veritasium has a good video on voting systems and that makes

00:50:44.620 --> 00:50:49.580
perfect sense I'm sure Derek does so why don't you guys go check that out yeah

00:50:50.260 --> 00:50:57.260
moving on did we finish the Google topic um discussion question blog post

00:50:57.260 --> 00:51:01.940
multi-cube and social thing Google has told Android authority that Google's

00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:05.020
multi-year plan to migrate from OS fully over to Android which lines up with a

00:51:05.020 --> 00:51:08.940
Google blog post from June 2024 swapping parts of Chroma yeah I think we're I

00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:13.900
think we're pretty much done I think we've talked about this enough okay so what do you want us to do Dan announcements oh you want us to do

00:51:13.900 --> 00:51:21.980
announcements oh good lord there's a handful of announcements today okay from

00:51:21.980 --> 00:51:26.660
Tuesday November 26th to Monday December 2nd we will be running some

00:51:26.660 --> 00:51:30.460
incredible deals on some of our most popular products at LTT Store but what

00:51:30.460 --> 00:51:36.220
we're really excited for are these bundles that we're putting together with the help of some of our partners if you've already seen our Black Friday

00:51:36.220 --> 00:51:43.260
Cyber Monday email sign up page then there's something new on it make sure

00:51:43.260 --> 00:51:47.980
you sign up so you don't miss out on the deals also Floatplane subscribers oh

00:51:47.980 --> 00:51:52.780
this is is this because of like the new like better integration between float

00:51:52.780 --> 00:51:57.100
plane and LTT Store like what is this quite similar to what we had before it's

00:51:57.100 --> 00:52:00.500
just a different way of using it oh okay Floatplane subscribers we'll be

00:52:00.500 --> 00:52:07.060
getting one day of early access on Monday November 25th let's go now my

00:52:07.060 --> 00:52:15.060
understanding is that early access is to the week long deals but it is possible

00:52:15.060 --> 00:52:21.460
that there are messages on my phone that will further clarify what is going on

00:52:21.460 --> 00:52:31.500
okay what no I do not have any further messages on my phone so I think that

00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:35.780
would be the week long deals I don't think that that will necessarily include

00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:41.900
some of the very limited quantity flash deals but I do not know for sure the way

00:52:41.900 --> 00:52:48.140
to know for sure is to be signed up for the newsletter so that is at LMG.GG

00:52:48.140 --> 00:52:53.180
slash BFCM Dan do you want to throw that in all the chats to make sure that

00:52:53.180 --> 00:52:58.380
everybody gets that can do now it's time for us to play a game we're sorry we're

00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:01.580
playing some people are saying that they don't see the email sign up form it's

00:53:01.620 --> 00:53:04.820
probably because you have something blocking it nice

00:53:04.820 --> 00:53:12.820
that makes sense modern internet is a thing okay Luke let's see if you can

00:53:12.820 --> 00:53:18.620
guess what these items are sorry I don't have an item here Dan do you know

00:53:18.620 --> 00:53:23.300
anything about this is it these what are these no I've been wondering about what

00:53:23.620 --> 00:53:30.740
everything on the day there oh dance like these items are what items um but I

00:53:30.740 --> 00:53:33.940
think you had a good feeling about the item in the middle of last week I don't

00:53:33.940 --> 00:53:39.380
know what the items are is it in this I think you had a good feeling what they

00:53:39.380 --> 00:53:46.340
were the bag I guess so Riley had mentioned this I'm I'm so sorry Riley

00:53:46.340 --> 00:53:50.420
okay cool why don't we come back to this guessing game plan for the products on

00:53:50.420 --> 00:54:00.020
set which will be I don't know here anyway so the early access thing subscribe

00:54:00.020 --> 00:54:06.380
at LMG.gg slash fp black friday to subscribe to Floatplane people are

00:54:06.380 --> 00:54:10.180
saying it's the bundles at the bottom of the black Friday page oh the question mark

00:54:10.180 --> 00:54:18.020
things oh I was also guess what they are thank you audience okay there we go the

00:54:18.260 --> 00:54:22.540
big freaking bundles okay how specific am I supposed to get I think you're

00:54:22.540 --> 00:54:29.180
supposed to get very specific how the heck you really

00:54:29.180 --> 00:54:40.780
peek at you guess that can you just say ditto for product among I don't know the

00:54:40.780 --> 00:54:46.500
the first one based on the what looks like the wrist rest attachment and the

00:54:46.540 --> 00:54:50.980
fact that it doesn't have no you're supposed to guess the middle one the

00:54:50.980 --> 00:54:54.660
middle one that's a stream deck okay it's apparently in the human organ

00:54:54.660 --> 00:54:58.700
transplant bag that is on the set whoops that's my thing

00:54:58.700 --> 00:55:07.020
why Luke I don't know what's going on right now any more than you do sure yeah

00:55:07.020 --> 00:55:12.340
cool oh it's not it's a wave XLR it's from the same brand oh wow you got it

00:55:12.340 --> 00:55:17.020
wrong I'm sure they use the same housing wow Luke you're zero for one wait I

00:55:17.020 --> 00:55:21.420
don't think I'm gonna get any of these then check it wait what no hold on a

00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:26.980
second what what's going on what I don't think that's right because the doc

00:55:26.980 --> 00:55:32.500
says the doc says Elgato stream deck mark 2 is supposed to be in the organ

00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:41.220
transplant bag what is happening right now

00:55:43.660 --> 00:55:47.460
you can't do this any more

00:55:52.300 --> 00:55:56.500
okay from the shadow you literally can't tell the difference between the two

00:55:56.500 --> 00:56:01.500
okay I have one on my desk it looks like what is the silhouette on the right

00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:08.020
it's a keyboard mon I don't know I'm my my guess on the right Luke that's the

00:56:08.020 --> 00:56:14.340
left headphone mon these look like Sennheiser's they look like Jamaican

00:56:14.340 --> 00:56:22.860
headphones Pokemon sure who's that Pokemon yeah sure yeah anyways do any

00:56:22.900 --> 00:56:29.740
Pokemon have mon at the end of the game Squirtle mon anyways they look like

00:56:29.740 --> 00:56:32.020
smoke mon

00:56:36.020 --> 00:56:42.340
that's a good reference the cucumber song thing about how it's good for you or

00:56:42.340 --> 00:56:46.460
whatever yeah yeah I don't know why I remember that

00:56:46.460 --> 00:56:58.020
they look like they look like a sanitizer headphones I'm guessing based

00:56:58.020 --> 00:57:04.700
on the band that they're like all right check under your table right now it was

00:57:04.700 --> 00:57:13.220
wrong last time I don't know dude I don't know they're not 600s they're HD 560

00:57:13.980 --> 00:57:19.620
open back headphones nice both of these items are gonna be included in bundles

00:57:19.620 --> 00:57:23.220
that are on sale throughout the entire event or until we run out which is

00:57:23.220 --> 00:57:27.460
probably more likely but there's a third item on the left good gravy this is

00:57:27.460 --> 00:57:34.260
taking forever Corsair K65 Corsair K65 did you look at the dock no okay it

00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:38.260
looks like it has a tent it doesn't look like the LTT backpack that is here

00:57:38.260 --> 00:57:52.260
between us Luke wow nope it's the K70 K70 core TKL with Corsair I thought it

00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:59.460
said milks and I was like really MLX red smooth linear switches a 120 dollar

00:57:59.460 --> 00:58:04.140
keyboard that will be included in a bundle at no extra cost along with one

00:58:04.140 --> 00:58:08.060
more thing but this bundle is going to be dropping on a random day throughout the

00:58:08.060 --> 00:58:15.540
week so I'd really recommend you sign up for email notifications at LMG GT slash BFCM to have the best chance at securing one so I was five switches off

00:58:15.540 --> 00:58:20.260
yeah yeah good right brand though you can kind of tell from the silhouette

00:58:20.260 --> 00:58:24.340
that's a Corsair keyboard yeah okay so we made our way through that eventually

00:58:24.340 --> 00:58:31.220
yeah also for those for the announcement left hand for the

00:58:31.220 --> 00:58:36.820
announcement right hand okay so Linus camp but hold on I'm gonna figure this

00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:41.740
our collaborative wrist rest with Delta hub is back in stock and this time the

00:58:41.740 --> 00:58:45.860
left hand variants are available too quickly during the first run and this

00:58:45.860 --> 00:58:49.420
time you can get early access to the Black Friday sale you can get 15% off by

00:58:49.420 --> 00:58:53.500
going through our link in the video description and finally oh this is an

00:58:53.500 --> 00:58:59.380
announcement but it's nothing to do with the store OVH Cloud Summit 2024 why is

00:58:59.380 --> 00:59:04.060
it that Luke has a go bag with him right now not because the world has ended

00:59:04.340 --> 00:59:12.900
yet but coming up on November 28th Luke will be live in excuse me live

00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:18.460
apparee hosting this year's OVH Cloud Summit live event yes there will be

00:59:18.460 --> 00:59:23.300
great discussions around cloud computing AI machine learning and more and it'll

00:59:23.300 --> 00:59:27.460
be hosted on their twitch and X links which we will have in the video

00:59:27.460 --> 00:59:31.020
description where you guys can find out more that is actually super cool I said

00:59:31.020 --> 00:59:37.100
15% 15 should genuinely that should be pretty fun I've seen the lineup of people

00:59:37.100 --> 00:59:40.660
that I'll be interviewing I'm actually genuinely so are you like a media

00:59:40.660 --> 00:59:45.740
personality again like what what do you even I guess who who are you I don't know

00:59:45.740 --> 00:59:50.700
what exactly is it that you do not sure to be honest okay stuff yeah ever comes

00:59:50.700 --> 00:59:56.660
up prominent guy they should just ask for that to be your little like tag that

01:00:01.100 --> 01:00:05.740
thing yeah you're like you're a renaissance man podcaster development

01:00:05.740 --> 01:00:12.100
team lead lab thing yeah bird enthusiast I don't know there's all there's all

01:00:12.100 --> 01:00:19.820
kinds of like infrastructure enjoyer historically great lover chicken

01:00:19.820 --> 01:00:24.500
specifically you love chicken yes he just really loves it chicken's very

01:00:24.540 --> 01:00:30.940
effective that's what he loves about it yeah it's the most effective bird yep

01:00:30.940 --> 01:00:37.940
100% hit rate on chicken why the chicken crossed the road to get away from Luke

01:00:38.660 --> 01:00:43.260
you have no idea how many chickens have sacrificed themselves for my mediocre

01:00:43.260 --> 01:00:51.020
physique that's a stolen joke but anyways I think it's actually gonna be really

01:00:51.060 --> 01:00:55.900
fun I'm excited for that okay tune in cool what what else are we even what are

01:00:55.900 --> 01:00:59.260
we supposed to be talking about today Dan can you please get this show back on

01:00:59.260 --> 01:01:07.620
the rails I've been trying are you still are you done with the announcement I don't know am I I'll read the doc for you then let's see yeah looks about right

01:01:07.620 --> 01:01:11.860
then let's do some merch message okay sure merch messages so you head on the

01:01:11.860 --> 01:01:16.060
store you add something to your car to box pops up you leave a merch message we

01:01:16.060 --> 01:01:20.700
think it's better than super chats or twitch bits because hey if we get to your

01:01:20.700 --> 01:01:25.580
message great or Dan can pop it up down here or reply to it or forward it to

01:01:25.580 --> 01:01:28.660
someone internally to get you an answer well you know we're gonna do our best

01:01:28.660 --> 01:01:33.220
to acknowledge your message but if we don't then hey well there's always you

01:01:33.220 --> 01:01:37.340
know getting some high quality merchandise in the mail yeah all right

01:01:37.340 --> 01:01:44.180
cool so anyway merch messages hit me show us how it works Dan sure let's see

01:01:44.180 --> 01:01:48.220
your first is from Zachary how much is Google to blame for people getting

01:01:48.220 --> 01:01:51.980
scammed Facebook and Instagram don't have customer support but if you Google

01:01:51.980 --> 01:02:01.100
it a bunch of scam results appear should customer support be mandatory so I

01:02:01.100 --> 01:02:04.740
think there's a more of an issue with like Facebook not having customer support

01:02:04.740 --> 01:02:11.420
incredible amount of free products that would instantly cease to exist oh man

01:02:11.420 --> 01:02:17.380
yeah so okay so basically what you're saying is that Google is returning search

01:02:17.420 --> 01:02:22.460
results that are invalid and that are scams when people are trying to contact

01:02:22.460 --> 01:02:29.620
Facebook and Instagram support okay so so step number one is yes a customer or

01:02:29.620 --> 01:02:35.220
help option of some sort should absolutely be mandatory for any business

01:02:35.220 --> 01:02:40.820
and especially for someone that operates on the order that Facebook does like if

01:02:40.820 --> 01:02:44.740
we can afford to have customer support Facebook can afford to have customer

01:02:44.740 --> 01:02:49.620
support so any free service has to have customer support well dude nothing's free

01:02:49.620 --> 01:02:55.580
it's not free so there's that Facebook you're absolutely paying for you pay in

01:02:55.580 --> 01:02:59.740
your data and if it wasn't profitable they wouldn't be doing it if that became

01:02:59.740 --> 01:03:03.820
a lot genuinely a lot of services would instantly shut down if they had to have

01:03:03.820 --> 01:03:07.500
customer support yeah well hold on a second because I'm not saying every

01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:14.060
service like if there's some some like back-end project or something that we

01:03:14.060 --> 01:03:18.700
have implementation for on our website or something like that I think if you

01:03:18.700 --> 01:03:22.740
are consumer facing maybe maybe I should call it consumer support then if you are

01:03:22.740 --> 01:03:28.060
end user facing give me an example of someone who shouldn't have to have end

01:03:28.060 --> 01:03:33.620
user support for their product straw poll straw poll is straw poll even a company

01:03:34.580 --> 01:03:42.420
I don't know and like realistically pull that off top man okay hold on a

01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:46.660
second you do they have support watch them have support hold on a second what

01:03:46.660 --> 01:03:52.900
the what the devil is contact them we have pricing type form and why do they

01:03:52.900 --> 01:04:00.540
have straw pool straw straw straw straw easiest pull creator ever that only

01:04:00.580 --> 01:04:05.180
okay well apparently there's competition in the create a quick create a quick

01:04:05.180 --> 01:04:12.380
pull space also hold on a second they have support they totally have support

01:04:12.380 --> 01:04:18.300
just confirmed it online contact us support email so they have a they have a

01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:23.060
pricing structure now though so I did I wasn't aware try again sir I don't know

01:04:23.060 --> 01:04:32.540
give me an example something that shouldn't have support everything should have support because how else are you gonna get customer feedback literally if

01:04:32.540 --> 01:04:37.900
we didn't have LTT Store support how would we ever improve yeah but that's a

01:04:37.900 --> 01:04:42.940
store that's like a very different situation okay fine any if we didn't

01:04:42.940 --> 01:04:47.820
have support how would we improve Floatplane is a paid to access service

01:04:47.820 --> 01:04:52.220
everything is paid though everything's paid you pay with your attention looking

01:04:52.220 --> 01:04:55.540
at ads you pay with your personal information you pay with your credit

01:04:55.540 --> 01:05:03.700
card you pay for everything everything's paid so I not there's no free lunch yeah

01:05:03.700 --> 01:05:10.540
I can't think of any examples right now small Linux distros Linux support for

01:05:10.540 --> 01:05:15.100
Linux distros I think there are some like support forums with that count I

01:05:15.100 --> 01:05:21.740
think that I'm count DAC overflow um you know what no I well see here's my

01:05:21.740 --> 01:05:26.020
problem because I think in the case of something like a like a Linux distro I

01:05:26.020 --> 01:05:29.820
actually would say that yeah I think that I think that counts I think that's

01:05:29.820 --> 01:05:34.700
valid right if it's a community created community supported products then I

01:05:34.700 --> 01:05:38.660
think it can be yeah then it can be community supported community created

01:05:38.660 --> 01:05:42.980
can be community supported but the fact that Microsoft for example has that I

01:05:42.980 --> 01:05:46.460
forget what it's called like Microsoft answers or like what's it called give me

01:05:46.460 --> 01:05:50.340
a second I'll get there so the fact that Microsoft relies on community

01:05:50.380 --> 01:05:55.180
contributors to answer supporting queries for freaking Windows yes ridiculous

01:05:55.180 --> 01:06:00.180
is actually comical and actually very annoying to be honest like actually

01:06:00.180 --> 01:06:04.620
comical because it basically just gives them a shield to put in front of

01:06:04.620 --> 01:06:09.060
themselves to not have to fix things that are problems if they were if they

01:06:09.060 --> 01:06:13.620
were actually accountable if they had to pay if they had to pay billable hours to

01:06:13.620 --> 01:06:18.900
employees or contractors to sit and explain to people why freakin search

01:06:18.940 --> 01:06:24.540
doesn't work if that was actually on their books we might get a different

01:06:24.540 --> 01:06:28.500
response from them about it maybe they might actually fix it or it would just

01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:34.180
be canned responses because eventually eventually like someone would look at it

01:06:34.180 --> 01:06:38.900
and go hmm it might actually be cheaper to just develop a fix to this they

01:06:38.900 --> 01:06:42.820
would just script a canned response everybody and not actually turn it AI

01:06:43.300 --> 01:06:47.620
but yeah what about this what about it that's a that's a forum where support

01:06:50.100 --> 01:06:53.780
you hold on no no no we have we have we have you can contact an

01:06:53.780 --> 01:06:57.300
admin or moderator we literally have that I'm gonna find it I'm gonna find it

01:06:57.300 --> 01:07:03.860
smart guy it's not official support though so well hold on staff okay line is tech

01:07:05.220 --> 01:07:10.500
and I'm not logged in but you can literally send me a message but that's not support

01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:16.740
no it's not but hold on hold on hold on okay by the way don't bother because I

01:07:16.740 --> 01:07:22.420
don't reply to them anymore but um no no I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure there's a

01:07:22.420 --> 01:07:27.460
I'm pretty sure there's stuff hold on I'm gonna find it hasn't found it yet forum support

01:07:27.460 --> 01:07:31.620
we'll find it rich there we go right there we totally have support now I knew we had

01:07:31.620 --> 01:07:36.260
support smart guy we a hundred percent you know why we have that support though because

01:07:36.260 --> 01:07:46.180
you should have support no for a GDPR forget me requests sort of actually but it's because we

01:07:46.180 --> 01:07:51.620
we did sales through the forum okay but we would need it anyway and we would totally have it anyway

01:07:53.460 --> 01:08:01.700
no I I'm not you know what I'm gonna die on this hill every service that is customer facing

01:08:01.780 --> 01:08:07.940
consumer facing and anyone who pays you in any way whether it's with their blood or their

01:08:09.460 --> 01:08:14.980
look at all the DNA friggin collection companies man 23 amie's implosion is terrifying if you're

01:08:14.980 --> 01:08:19.460
not terrified of that you should be terrified of that even if you never sent your genetic

01:08:19.460 --> 01:08:26.660
information to them if anyone even kind of related to you did you could be like that whole thing

01:08:26.660 --> 01:08:30.580
sucks and I'm super angry about it still I'm probably screwed and just don't know you're

01:08:30.580 --> 01:08:36.340
actually screwed and do know yeah what was I gonna say would you would you accept some form of

01:08:36.340 --> 01:08:42.100
threshold of like revenue for the company or something like that like there's a lot of laws

01:08:42.100 --> 01:08:46.340
like flow planes protected by I don't know out of these where if you're if you're below a certain

01:08:46.340 --> 01:08:52.500
amount of revenue certain laws don't take place yet I think as long as we also account for well we

01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:58.180
have like very little revenue but we do have a casual like nine billion dollars in seed funding

01:08:58.180 --> 01:09:04.580
like I think I think basically once once a certain amount of money is flowing in some way

01:09:04.580 --> 01:09:09.940
I'm done with that you should support the product so once you either have a certain amount of revenue

01:09:09.940 --> 01:09:16.500
or have raised a certain amount of dollars I'd be completely fine with that I just think I think

01:09:16.500 --> 01:09:24.020
this has there's a lot of these types of laws that I see come in that to a certain degree seem

01:09:24.020 --> 01:09:32.260
designed to benefit big players and like some some random little forum or some random little

01:09:32.260 --> 01:09:37.780
thing here or there that like you know maybe they do make money off of it I would they probably

01:09:37.780 --> 01:09:43.540
actually do have team boo suggests that another threshold could be users and I think that's valid

01:09:43.540 --> 01:09:51.220
that's an interesting one there's a contact is there actually a support though wow this website

01:09:51.220 --> 01:09:59.860
is rough I just went to paint dot net oh yeah good old paint dot net the email is not for technical

01:09:59.860 --> 01:10:05.060
support or troubleshooting there's a forum linked below there's an example yep there's just a support

01:10:05.060 --> 01:10:11.860
forum please ask our forum but isn't isn't paint dot net like open source there's a donate button

01:10:13.300 --> 01:10:20.900
yeah but that's uh again you said any site or service no what I said is that it if it is community

01:10:20.900 --> 01:10:26.260
created then it can be community supported so I said the forum is valid for that okay okay

01:10:27.140 --> 01:10:30.500
I don't remember that bit but I believe you yeah I was probably thinking about something else oh okay

01:10:31.460 --> 01:10:38.180
chicken probably I haven't eaten today so maybe maybe um yeah I don't know I think if there was

01:10:38.180 --> 01:10:44.500
some amount of yeah either a user count or a revenue count or a freeware freeware not open

01:10:44.500 --> 01:10:49.300
source sorry sorry and and yes this is a really good point vng supernova says open source doesn't

01:10:49.300 --> 01:10:55.940
mean community created um that's also very true that is very true often means limited amount of

01:10:55.940 --> 01:11:01.620
contributors because uh because I don't know either there often isn't that many contributors or it's

01:11:01.620 --> 01:11:07.860
people that just want credit for job applications uh hex dot says no chance uh with elon as part of

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the next use to administration doesn't tesla not even have pr anymore they don't have pr but what

01:11:12.580 --> 01:11:17.460
they do have is customer support they actually they do have support if you are an individual

01:11:17.460 --> 01:11:22.100
end user you can 100 contact tesla but whatever issue you're having with your model whatever

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so let's just let you know look I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff that he's done especially over

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the last few years there seems to be kind of this weird kind of turn that he's taken but let's let's

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not uh let's not make things up right um yeah mi gu says elon is their pr department for better or

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for worse that is a true statement uh let's maybe move on to yeah I've got to get out of here in like

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entire bit but okay neat okay um i want to talk about this the topic is y'all don't seem to want

01:18:19.060 --> 01:18:26.980
actual tech tips yeah i uh i saw this did you did you did you check out the video i checked out the

01:18:26.980 --> 01:18:31.700
video um there was also if i remember correctly there was actually a reddit thread talking about how

01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:38.980
good parts of the video were even though the person recognized i i think it was about this video i

01:18:38.980 --> 01:18:43.060
don't remember i'm i'm i didn't know this was gonna be a topic in the doc so i didn't prep for this um

01:18:44.100 --> 01:18:48.260
how good parts of the video were even though they're usually just interested in the entertainment

01:18:48.260 --> 01:18:52.580
parts of the video they saw how it was like connected to real world things and like wow this

01:18:52.580 --> 01:18:57.860
is really cool and i was like yeah so we did a video this week that has changed titles a couple

01:18:57.860 --> 01:19:04.580
times because it's performing trying to make it work terribly and basically it was it was me and

01:19:04.580 --> 01:19:08.580
elijah and i got to give some credit to ploof who was actually the one who did the facebook

01:19:08.580 --> 01:19:13.860
marketplace dumpster diving before uh the project got passed to elijah to get it across the finish

01:19:13.860 --> 01:19:19.300
line um and but right now it's called i built an insane surround sound setup for under two hundred

01:19:19.300 --> 01:19:26.180
and fifty dollars and the original title focused on um building a home an entire home theater for

01:19:26.180 --> 01:19:31.460
less than the price of the the most popular sound bar and i don't know if the boast tv speaker is the

01:19:31.460 --> 01:19:37.460
most popular sound bar today but it was the last time we did a why is everybody buying this uh this

01:19:37.460 --> 01:19:42.500
sound bar it was it was the most popular sound bar on i believe amazon was the platform that we were

01:19:42.500 --> 01:19:51.620
using for that series at that time and the amount of criticism for this video slash the extremely

01:19:51.620 --> 01:19:57.540
low performance of this video has been a little demoralizing for me to be perfectly honest with

01:19:57.540 --> 01:20:03.140
you i've seen a lot of people that are kind of dunking on it for being you know another another

01:20:03.140 --> 01:20:08.980
facebook marketplace video um i've seen a fair number of people dunking on it because we're

01:20:08.980 --> 01:20:14.180
comparing against a new sound bar instead of comparing against a second hand sound bar so they

01:20:14.180 --> 01:20:22.340
see it as kind of like an unfair fight um i've seen quite a few people say that um you know the

01:20:22.340 --> 01:20:28.660
odds of them being able to find the exact parts that we're using are basically zero therefore

01:20:28.660 --> 01:20:37.860
this is not applicable to anybody and i gotta say guys i i don't know i i don't know i don't know how

01:20:37.860 --> 01:20:42.260
to deal i don't know how to deal with that and if the video was performing great like if it was

01:20:42.260 --> 01:20:47.940
getting a ton of views um then it would be fine but i guess what i'm trying to say is like i'm

01:20:47.940 --> 01:20:53.860
looking at this going like real tech tips might not be sustainable like if this if people are

01:20:54.580 --> 01:21:00.580
what did i do what can i do differently i guess is what i'm asking because like to your like what

01:21:00.580 --> 01:21:05.780
you said is is exactly right like that's that's not the point the point is not finding the exact

01:21:05.780 --> 01:21:11.140
av receiver that we did yeah the point is the journey did did you watch the video by any chance

01:21:11.220 --> 01:21:14.980
and it's fine if you didn't wasn't this one i watched a different one so basically

01:21:14.980 --> 01:21:21.220
what we what we did was we we got a few different options we started land center audio one got it

01:21:21.220 --> 01:21:26.740
we started with an old home theater in the box um so it was it was a number of years old and it was

01:21:26.740 --> 01:21:31.380
probably around 500 bucks when it was new but it was like 40 bucks today which realistically for those

01:21:31.380 --> 01:21:40.740
kind of low quality semi-proprietary um surround solutions probably more like it um they tend to

01:21:40.740 --> 01:21:45.380
be a little bit overpriced at msrp but if you can get them on clearance they can actually be a

01:21:45.380 --> 01:21:51.300
pretty great deal um so we started with one of those and showed that even for $40 on like a

01:21:51.300 --> 01:21:55.620
marketplace site like craigslist or facebook marketplace yeah we could absolutely obliterate

01:21:55.620 --> 01:22:02.580
this thing we we were unflinching in our acknowledgement of the the inconvenience and and

01:22:02.580 --> 01:22:07.940
the wiring mess um that was another thing man i saw people like defending soundbar super hard for

01:22:07.940 --> 01:22:16.500
the ease of use and i'm like guys we we acknowledged that so directly that i i just um

01:22:18.740 --> 01:22:23.220
i i just i don't know uh i don't i don't know how i don't know how we can acknowledge it more

01:22:23.780 --> 01:22:28.420
we we stepped it up by upgrading our left and rights so that you know particularly for

01:22:28.420 --> 01:22:34.100
watching anything with music in it which is like all content we could get a bit better of a of a

01:22:34.100 --> 01:22:39.940
soundtrack experience uh we upgraded our amplifier or maybe we upgraded the amplifier before we changed

01:22:39.940 --> 01:22:45.940
this be whatever we but we got a cheap avr um and with the intention not of using it for video

01:22:45.940 --> 01:22:51.060
switching because you can't use an older one for video switching if you want to run like uh you

01:22:51.060 --> 01:22:56.660
know a modern 4k display or whatever the case may be so we got an old amp and old amps like

01:22:57.460 --> 01:23:03.060
they they're they're still great amplifiers if you buy something that was decent 10 years ago

01:23:03.060 --> 01:23:08.820
15 years ago you can still get a really nice amplifier um and then you just don't run your

01:23:08.820 --> 01:23:12.980
video through it which for most people is fine because your tv is probably going to have anywhere

01:23:12.980 --> 01:23:18.900
from two on the very very low end to four inputs anyway so you just run everything through there

01:23:18.900 --> 01:23:25.860
and then uh we added a subwoofer and then we added some cheap towers that we got and the final

01:23:25.940 --> 01:23:33.140
configuration was probably around 240 dollars compared to the Bose tv speaker which is 250

01:23:33.140 --> 01:23:39.300
dollars um and our our point was just and and there were so many tech tips along the way i guess

01:23:39.300 --> 01:23:44.580
is what i'm trying to get to here sort of talking about speaker impedance best practices uh talking

01:23:44.580 --> 01:23:51.860
about uh what you can do if you don't have eark support on your receiver so talking about optical

01:23:51.860 --> 01:24:00.900
connections and the and the good things about it and the limitations of it um and i uh i think

01:24:00.900 --> 01:24:08.340
honestly past a certain view count there just isn't really room for it um maybe i'm being too

01:24:08.340 --> 01:24:12.500
doomer about this i would like to think that i'm being too doomer about this but i i don't

01:24:12.500 --> 01:24:19.940
necessarily think i am i think a pretty good example of this of maybe michael reeves when you

01:24:19.940 --> 01:24:28.420
look at some of michael reeves videos if i remember correctly um his very early videos he talked more

01:24:28.420 --> 01:24:33.860
about the programming that was involved and showed more of it and these days it's usually like a

01:24:33.860 --> 01:24:42.180
comical montage where sections of the code like fly past the screen uh like it's it's it's different

01:24:42.180 --> 01:24:48.020
people don't actually care i know there was there was like if you think about old youtube

01:24:48.020 --> 01:24:55.460
there was a lot of videos that were like tutorials on how to do something and then the people that

01:24:55.460 --> 01:25:00.020
were making the tutorials on how to do something videos realized that no one was actually doing it

01:25:01.380 --> 01:25:06.820
they were just watching them for the content so they tried to push entertainment and it started

01:25:06.820 --> 01:25:11.380
leaving the actual tutorial space there's some really good insight in Floatplane chat um

01:25:12.180 --> 01:25:17.140
like some people are saying yeah i really liked it to be clear i mean 900 000 plus people watched

01:25:17.380 --> 01:25:22.020
and like the like this like ratio is fine like it's not like people are hating on it i'm just

01:25:22.020 --> 01:25:27.700
trying to figure out how to make like like someone someone here said uh where is their comment um

01:25:27.700 --> 01:25:33.540
maybe it was just not that great of a video um can we just move on well no no no no no no no

01:25:33.540 --> 01:25:37.860
the point is like i'm trying to figure out how to make this more accessible because i want people

01:25:37.860 --> 01:25:42.980
to save money like that's why that's why we do this in the that's why we started doing this in

01:25:42.980 --> 01:25:47.620
the first place right is is bringing the people tech tips and we want to do it in an entertaining

01:25:47.620 --> 01:25:57.700
way but but we want we want to we want to like help um so i so i'm trying to like figure this out

01:25:58.740 --> 01:26:03.380
why does being critical of the content uh me in the video was bad okay no no there's

01:26:03.380 --> 01:26:07.620
hold on there's there's some there's some really good there's some really good comments uh on it

01:26:07.620 --> 01:26:12.820
so some people are saying in my area marketplace especially for this kind of stuff is kind of

01:26:12.820 --> 01:26:16.900
terrible i sometimes have to travel a couple hours for deal on gaming computers yeah well

01:26:16.900 --> 01:26:22.100
that that's a thing like that's a thing here too yeah and and we but we acknowledge the time

01:26:22.100 --> 01:26:29.220
spent in it and i think that like that mindset of like sort of bargain hunting is is what we're

01:26:29.220 --> 01:26:33.060
trying to get across so maybe that's something that we need to acknowledge more directly is like

01:26:33.700 --> 01:26:37.140
hey this has a cost in time like do you think that's something that would help

01:26:37.780 --> 01:26:47.940
maybe um um i don't know what was that not explained uh come bets and bulls and says i found

01:26:47.940 --> 01:26:51.220
it a bit hard to get what the point of the video was i felt like it was a little bit all over the

01:26:51.220 --> 01:26:55.620
place so maybe it's something where we need a bit of a better summary or we need a couple other

01:26:55.620 --> 01:27:01.300
comments like that we need more like visuals to kind of drive it along uh board aga i think probably

01:27:01.300 --> 01:27:06.580
has the best comment i've seen on it so far i bet the same video would have blown up if you'd

01:27:06.580 --> 01:27:13.940
done five versus fifty versus five hundred dollar home theater speaker set up and that is that is

01:27:13.940 --> 01:27:22.100
that is probably the best maybe we just should uh maybe we should maybe we should revisit it

01:27:22.100 --> 01:27:27.940
and like keep that same stuff get a five dollar option we've already got our fifty dollar option

01:27:28.500 --> 01:27:32.660
we upgrade our our two hundred fifty dollar option a little bit we take it to five hundred

01:27:32.740 --> 01:27:38.580
bucks we get a five thousand dollar option and then we like contact some we contact clips or

01:27:38.580 --> 01:27:44.340
something and we like borrow crazy yeah we borrow like a fifty thousand dollar option and then we

01:27:44.340 --> 01:27:49.860
just we do we do it again um postman says as an av professional i really enjoyed the video

01:27:49.860 --> 01:27:55.060
in the journey i guess maybe that's maybe that's the thing is maybe maybe the journey is too hard

01:27:55.060 --> 01:28:00.580
to follow along maybe like simplifying the format to like five versus fifty versus five hundred

01:28:01.140 --> 01:28:09.140
is is the way to go i did see a fair amount of comments on like maybe there should have been a

01:28:09.140 --> 01:28:14.020
better explainer at the beginning uh because i didn't understand what the what the video was about

01:28:14.020 --> 01:28:19.460
telesco says you called everyone out for making the worst choice you made your audience but hurt

01:28:19.460 --> 01:28:24.900
i'm in this tweet and don't like it that's probably a good point too like are we so then

01:28:24.900 --> 01:28:30.820
is part of this that people are watching tech tips just to be just to know their choice was

01:28:30.820 --> 01:28:38.020
validated as opposed to we've known that forever that has been true i can know something i can

01:28:38.020 --> 01:28:43.620
know something cognitively without fully we've legit talked about that being willing to accept

01:28:43.620 --> 01:28:52.820
that ncix that makes me sad though yeah i know but why aren't we allowed to say hey this thing

01:28:52.900 --> 01:28:59.380
that's super popular is not that great like man do you remember when probably about like nine years

01:28:59.380 --> 01:29:07.380
ago at h m fifties these garbage headphones like popped off in popularity because of some some

01:29:08.100 --> 01:29:11.620
like i don't know they just they got a lot of attention let's just say they got a lot of

01:29:11.620 --> 01:29:17.460
attention for a little while and you and i were both kind of sitting there going like what what

01:29:17.460 --> 01:29:21.780
like people buy these because they're disposable rubbish that's why they use them in the studio

01:29:21.780 --> 01:29:28.100
not because they're good what is happening right now um and i i do genuinely think if we had come

01:29:28.100 --> 01:29:33.940
out and made a video when that trend took off that was like the at h m fifties are not very good

01:29:33.940 --> 01:29:38.180
and people need to stop buying them we probably would have just gotten destroyed i think it's

01:29:38.180 --> 01:29:46.820
one of the two you either are right after or are the turn of the tide or you get slaughtered

01:29:46.820 --> 01:29:50.980
one of the two if you're the turn of the tide then your video is going to explode

01:29:50.980 --> 01:29:55.700
but if people aren't ready for it yet so you're not the turn of the tide then we'll just crap on

01:29:55.700 --> 01:30:00.020
you isaac v says it was hard to follow you scrambled a lot of parts and i didn't really get what was

01:30:00.020 --> 01:30:05.460
happening um by the way i would like a lot more technical details and what they're about okay well

01:30:05.460 --> 01:30:11.380
so those two things are definitely not going to work together um a ton more technical details

01:30:11.940 --> 01:30:16.900
is uh is going to make it a little harder to follow i can i can i can promise you that

01:30:16.900 --> 01:30:23.140
but i do agree that kind of like in the last scrapyard wars where we we went back we basically

01:30:23.140 --> 01:30:27.620
sent the edit back to the kitchen you never saw the original no i sent the edit back to the kitchen

01:30:27.620 --> 01:30:33.780
i said look you guys take however much time you need and make sure that we have these on-screen

01:30:33.780 --> 01:30:39.540
visuals that make it really clear what parts we have now what we've added what we're subtracting

01:30:39.540 --> 01:30:45.220
who we're negotiating with and and where the money stands and even then one prominent viewer

01:30:45.220 --> 01:30:50.980
couldn't figure out that i was never at a negative balance so yes that's in spite of our best

01:30:50.980 --> 01:30:56.420
efforts in spite of our best efforts you were shifty says i totally watch reviews for things

01:30:56.420 --> 01:31:04.180
i've already bought and that's that sort of validates your validation seeking i do sometimes

01:31:04.180 --> 01:31:11.860
too but it's not necessarily it's like kind of to see where it's at if that makes sense um and

01:31:11.860 --> 01:31:18.260
there's there's products where like you know i'll do some research on it i'll buy it i'll try it out

01:31:18.260 --> 01:31:24.340
and i'm like yeah like it's it's working but you know it's not 100 and then i'll see some new

01:31:24.340 --> 01:31:28.980
product comes out it'll get compared against that new product and then i'll be like oh yeah okay i

01:31:28.980 --> 01:31:34.420
probably should have waited this isn't great like i i allow my opinion to be changed um

01:31:35.860 --> 01:31:40.420
or honestly i'll sometimes buy something someone will review it against something else and say

01:31:40.420 --> 01:31:45.060
that it's crap versus the thing that they like and i'll be like yeah i just don't agree but like

01:31:45.060 --> 01:31:50.500
that's fine tim says there was a bit of difficulty when you were between the two systems like you

01:31:50.500 --> 01:31:54.260
had the center channel from this one but the receiver from another one i had a bit of difficulty

01:31:54.260 --> 01:31:58.500
knowing where the value was halfway through but it all kind of came together at the end and i think

01:31:58.500 --> 01:32:09.140
that is probably another like gold star good comment um because i still make videos with the

01:32:09.780 --> 01:32:17.140
intention that people watch the whole thing i know better than that yeah yeah you almost have to

01:32:17.140 --> 01:32:23.700
make like multiple videos you almost yeah you need to have like the pay off pay off pay off pay off

01:32:23.700 --> 01:32:27.940
and it kind of it kind of kills 20 viewer video the 40 percent viewer video the 60

01:32:27.940 --> 01:32:33.780
percent viewer video you can never have like where's he going with this it always just has

01:32:33.780 --> 01:32:39.300
to be very clear and that's something that is easy for me to forget because i've always kind of hard

01:32:39.300 --> 01:32:46.260
to write for i imagine um yes and no i mean that that five versus 50 versus 500 format kind of flows

01:32:46.260 --> 01:32:53.060
yeah sure so yeah i guess you kind of have to shoehorn into a format that works for it or it

01:32:53.060 --> 01:32:57.700
might be more difficult to write for i suspect that's okay um sock had to be says the established

01:32:57.700 --> 01:33:00.980
tiers seemed to borrow stuff from the others a bit too much which made it harder to follow for

01:33:00.980 --> 01:33:05.860
some reason yep i think that's i think that's very fair uh in fairness to me i didn't source the

01:33:05.860 --> 01:33:11.780
stuff and so i didn't know exactly how it was all going to go together um so i was kind of i was

01:33:11.780 --> 01:33:18.820
kind of working with um with what i had but it's that's really that's really valid and i think

01:33:18.820 --> 01:33:25.220
that's something that i and the like the content team could have worked on ahead of time to make

01:33:25.220 --> 01:33:30.260
it more accessible by having like a a well understood format i think that's what it basically

01:33:30.260 --> 01:33:34.500
boils down to is we could have done a better job visually of showing exactly what it was we were

01:33:34.500 --> 01:33:39.300
doing and having a better established format wouldn't hurt i also think that some people

01:33:39.300 --> 01:33:44.660
kind of got fixated on details that didn't matter i saw i saw some people talking about how well i

01:33:44.660 --> 01:33:50.500
don't even have a home theater room and it's like well no that's that's not the point we're shooting

01:33:50.500 --> 01:33:55.620
in here because it's really convenient um but you could do this anywhere and and i think a lot of

01:33:55.620 --> 01:34:06.340
people kind of missed that um oh okay yeah i'm looking into booking a ride right now lieutenant

01:34:06.340 --> 01:34:10.020
salty the video was important too many people have crappy soundbars and have no idea what they're

01:34:10.020 --> 01:34:17.220
missing yeah i mean that was why we did it i thought it was a really important video um

01:34:17.220 --> 01:34:23.300
mantisa says are you just focusing too much on a loud minority no because the whole point of this

01:34:23.300 --> 01:34:32.260
is is that last thing that i just read so many people have the wrong thing and like need to hear

01:34:32.260 --> 01:34:36.900
this and it might not work for everybody not everybody has the space not everybody has the

01:34:36.980 --> 01:34:42.900
wife acceptance factor to be able to you know put a bunch of random speakers they found on craigslist

01:34:42.900 --> 01:34:47.860
and in their living space right like it's not going to be applicable to everyone but i do

01:34:47.860 --> 01:34:54.820
think that before you make that decision you should be well informed that's it i want people

01:34:54.820 --> 01:34:59.780
to make informed decisions and that was why we made that video like if you're interested in tech

01:35:00.340 --> 01:35:07.300
like like if you're interested in tech if you don't have a tv even i think it can still be an

01:35:07.300 --> 01:35:11.380
interesting journey to see what someone would do to set up that type of a system yeah because

01:35:11.380 --> 01:35:16.500
surely you might have friends and you want to you want to be the knowledgeable tech expert in

01:35:16.500 --> 01:35:24.900
your group i assume right like i'm i think so right okay all right why don't we jump into

01:35:24.900 --> 01:35:27.780
our next topic traffic's looking good i can leave slightly later

01:35:30.260 --> 01:35:34.340
why we weren't able to say more oh all right great let's do it let's do another

01:35:34.340 --> 01:35:40.900
topic like that hooray um so a lot of people last week were upset frustrated disappointed

01:35:40.900 --> 01:35:46.020
that we weren't able to say more about the channel hiatus is last week and there are two main reasons

01:35:46.020 --> 01:35:52.980
number one is that it's the law um and and it's funny i ended up kind of in exchanges with a

01:35:52.980 --> 01:35:58.580
couple of people where i i said that and they were like yeah but and i was like no there is no

01:35:58.580 --> 01:36:05.060
yeah but yeah it is just the law about certain things it's it's completely inflexible i cannot

01:36:05.060 --> 01:36:12.100
disclose literally anything about someone else's personal life including their employment status

01:36:12.100 --> 01:36:17.140
i was just gonna say and and to be honest for good reason sometimes it would be nice if you could

01:36:17.140 --> 01:36:23.540
but that the law should exist and that's number two because it's like the right thing to do um

01:36:23.540 --> 01:36:28.980
like let's say let's say hypothetically that you were no longer at your job tomorrow whether you

01:36:28.980 --> 01:36:35.620
quit or you were laid off or you were fired sort of immaterial um during your exit interview the

01:36:35.620 --> 01:36:39.940
hr manager asks you hey do you mind if we talk about the circumstances on our podcast

01:36:40.180 --> 01:36:50.340
you would think they lost their f***ing minds right but that is what a not insignificant

01:36:50.340 --> 01:36:56.660
number of people were asking me to do to be fair about me in particular i wouldn't necessarily

01:36:56.660 --> 01:37:04.100
think that but it would still be the law yes um and it doesn't matter how much anyone externally

01:37:04.100 --> 01:37:10.260
feels like they're entitled to it they're not yeah they're not entitled to it 100 um i saw

01:37:10.260 --> 01:37:15.380
some suggestions that we just provide information about the folks that we're parting amicably with

01:37:15.380 --> 01:37:21.620
for example nope well we always try to part amicably but it's not always possible and the issue there

01:37:21.620 --> 01:37:28.740
is that if we acknowledge some folks and not others it's pretty easy to do the the math um simple

01:37:28.740 --> 01:37:36.020
deductive logic and then uh and then the conjecture starts right we used to talk about stuff way more

01:37:36.020 --> 01:37:41.220
like we'd bring people onto the podcast on their last day or like nick van berkel for example is

01:37:41.220 --> 01:37:46.580
an example uh he for example is an example yeah he he made like a like a farewell video on channel

01:37:46.580 --> 01:37:52.340
super fun um but what we've realized over time is that it's not a sustainable practice because

01:37:52.340 --> 01:37:58.420
as soon as there isn't a farewell video or an announcement or whatever the case may be

01:37:59.780 --> 01:38:06.900
people start speculating and the and the the rumor mill spins so much faster than we can possibly

01:38:06.900 --> 01:38:14.660
respond to any of it um i also saw some folks that were asking for way more detail about the business

01:38:14.820 --> 01:38:22.420
decision side of things again though let's put yourself in their shoes okay luke you are no

01:38:22.420 --> 01:38:27.620
longer working on a project okay and someone else who has a way louder megaphone than you

01:38:27.620 --> 01:38:31.860
goes and talks about whatever it is that led for your project to be shelved or canceled or whatever

01:38:31.860 --> 01:38:39.620
else do you think that do you think that would reflect on you a little bit possibly maybe yes

01:38:39.620 --> 01:38:47.300
it could it could affect uh future employment potential um it it would it would be a blow to

01:38:47.300 --> 01:38:53.620
morale immediately for sure i would be frustrated about that because like there's almost no way

01:38:53.620 --> 01:39:00.260
that they're going to say everything and there's no way that we're gonna say

01:39:00.980 --> 01:39:08.740
like we if something got canceled right almost certainly there was something that went wrong

01:39:08.740 --> 01:39:15.860
with it at some point in some way uh or right so so if i were to say like hey um we're gonna talk

01:39:15.860 --> 01:39:21.780
about all of the uh completely unsustainable practices at Floatplane that led for it to be

01:39:21.780 --> 01:39:28.900
shelved nice you're gonna be like excuse me yeah um and and then and then right it creates this

01:39:29.620 --> 01:39:34.980
like this this background drama um well you were supposed to be the business ARM

01:39:35.860 --> 01:39:43.300
exactly exactly which you know is valid um also Floatplane is not unsustainable yeah the reason

01:39:43.300 --> 01:39:47.780
we're using luke as an example and the reason we're using his project as an example is just

01:39:47.780 --> 01:39:53.540
illustrative yeah it's to show you guys why these conversations don't take place in public and

01:39:53.540 --> 01:39:59.780
shouldn't and just because we've made mistakes in the past doesn't mean that we should just

01:39:59.780 --> 01:40:06.660
continue to make them in the name of like what morbid curiosity like that's not that's not a

01:40:06.660 --> 01:40:12.820
good reason um so i'm really sorry to have disappointed some of you um looking at the

01:40:12.820 --> 01:40:18.660
comments from last week's WAN Show quite a few members of our community were extremely upset

01:40:18.660 --> 01:40:23.540
and i think that a big part of that is on me i should have explained this in more detail

01:40:24.500 --> 01:40:31.380
i i do this thing sometimes where i think that stuff is sort of self-evident um and and it's

01:40:31.380 --> 01:40:37.620
not because people live in all kinds of different places around the world where where laws and

01:40:37.620 --> 01:40:43.780
norms are different people come from all different walks of life people have their own value systems

01:40:44.420 --> 01:40:50.260
so to me this one was obvious based on all the experience that i've had doing it the other way

01:40:50.260 --> 01:40:56.900
and seeing what an absolute cluster f*** it is um you guys don't have that experience so you didn't

01:40:56.900 --> 01:41:05.860
know um this isn't a choice that helps i don't benefit from not offering explanations or justifications

01:41:05.860 --> 01:41:10.660
for the actions of our team or our company that that that doesn't help me uh when the rumor mill

01:41:10.740 --> 01:41:17.300
swirls because i can't give additional details about something i don't benefit guys um but it is a

01:41:17.300 --> 01:41:23.940
choice that is designed not for my benefit not for your benefit it's designed to minimize the

01:41:23.940 --> 01:41:30.340
impact on our team members both current and former don't expect this policy to be altered going forward

01:41:30.340 --> 01:41:38.820
because you'd be wrong cool good chat yeah do you want to talk about uh full screen ads for

01:41:38.820 --> 01:41:45.620
co-pilot plus pcs on Windows 10 so sick this is pretty cool microsoft is aggressively prompting

01:41:45.620 --> 01:41:50.980
Windows 10 users to upgrade employing full screen ads that highlight Windows 11 features

01:41:50.980 --> 01:41:57.940
particularly those on co-pilot plus pcs these ads coincide with the approaching end of free

01:41:57.940 --> 01:42:04.660
security updates for Windows 10 in october 2025 while an extended security update or esu program

01:42:04.660 --> 01:42:12.020
exists for a fee the ads predominantly push new pc purchases this aggressive marketing tactic

01:42:12.020 --> 01:42:17.860
isn't new for microsoft they've used similar methods for past os upgrades sometimes just forcing

01:42:17.860 --> 01:42:24.180
them on you anyways and users can still upgrade to Windows 11 directly on compatible pcs as an

01:42:24.180 --> 01:42:30.340
alternative discussion question is where's the limit every mainstream non-Linux operating system

01:42:30.340 --> 01:42:36.100
and even some of the Linux based ones would fall under the definition of adware at this point uh

01:42:36.100 --> 01:42:43.460
yeah yeah definitely where's my iphone here hold on i haven't used macOS do they have ads baked

01:42:43.460 --> 01:42:48.820
into macOS i have i have literally check this out hold on hold on hold on well i've used macOS but

01:42:48.820 --> 01:42:55.380
not active give me a sec check this out i didn't notice any i have i have left them because i wanted

01:42:55.460 --> 01:43:00.660
to i wanted to remember how many there were i have macOS doesn't have ads so that's not that's

01:43:00.660 --> 01:43:08.020
not correct i have three macOS never prompts you to like buy iCloud are you sure uh no what i'm

01:43:08.020 --> 01:43:13.540
saying okay fair enough what i'm saying is okay uh Windows has other ads well here it bakes in ads

01:43:13.540 --> 01:43:19.620
from everybody it's not even just their own stuff yeah i i'm sorry but i don't i don't i don't have

01:43:19.620 --> 01:43:24.500
i don't think there's i don't draw a distinction that's fair enough um okay so uh so on iOS right

01:43:24.500 --> 01:43:29.220
now my apple account suggestions i have three persistent notifications in my settings app for

01:43:29.220 --> 01:43:36.580
this um my iphone's not backed up okay that's valid however my second notification is your iphone can't

01:43:36.580 --> 01:43:43.220
be backed up upgrade for a dollar 29 a month and then my third notification is some iCloud data

01:43:43.220 --> 01:43:48.420
isn't syncing which again is related to me not having enough storage with the which they have

01:43:48.420 --> 01:43:55.220
kindly offered to solve for me for money um and then i have i mean that is how that would work i have

01:43:55.220 --> 01:44:02.260
three well no they could allow me to quickly leave free back up to my nas or my computer remember

01:44:02.260 --> 01:44:07.380
you do that in another way remember probably back i mean maybe but i don't have i don't have an

01:44:07.380 --> 01:44:12.260
ad from apple about that apple doesn't notify me that that's a possibility uh so is this in your

01:44:12.260 --> 01:44:16.820
settings thing or yeah i don't know it's right it's my well no i i got notifications for them at

01:44:16.820 --> 01:44:22.420
some point okay okay and then i have uh i have three notifications for services included with

01:44:22.420 --> 01:44:28.580
purchase let's see what do i have i get apple tv free for three months uh i get apple news plus

01:44:28.580 --> 01:44:34.260
so it's the purchase of the phone yeah but of course i'm gonna have to sign up for a subscription

01:44:34.260 --> 01:44:38.980
that is going to it's a very generous three months thank you very much for after my you know

01:44:38.980 --> 01:44:44.820
eleven hundred or twelve hundred dollar phone or whatever this is um but uh i'm gonna end up

01:44:44.820 --> 01:44:50.020
i'm gonna end up with subscriptions at some point um yeah well people are really mad about you uh

01:44:50.020 --> 01:44:57.700
i bet about you thinking that like they shouldn't offer or okay hold on hold on hold on okay guys

01:44:57.700 --> 01:45:04.740
no no no i am not i am not necessarily saying that apple should be well no i think i i think

01:45:04.740 --> 01:45:10.980
they should be be forced to to present me with with uh with an with an alternative option

01:45:10.980 --> 01:45:15.700
no actually no i do you know what i do think that uh one person's just particularly mad because

01:45:15.700 --> 01:45:20.820
apple's limit has been five gigs basically forever and they've done that intentionally knowing that

01:45:20.820 --> 01:45:26.980
you're gonna have to buy yeah but they don't have to provide that no but i think the thing that's

01:45:26.980 --> 01:45:32.420
i think the thing that is bad is that they they don't give me a free alternative if they're

01:45:32.420 --> 01:45:38.500
gonna give you a native notification yes and not give a free alternative that's pretty annoying

01:45:38.500 --> 01:45:43.300
if it's just in your settings thing and it's like hey you could do this that's not too big of a deal

01:45:43.300 --> 01:45:47.780
to me personally well it's giving you notifications yeah it breaks that line especially because they

01:45:47.780 --> 01:45:52.020
used to you used to be able to quickly and easily just plug a cable into your computer and back up

01:45:52.020 --> 01:45:59.940
to itunes yeah yeah but no they want you to buy cloud storage now um people are saying you can

01:45:59.940 --> 01:46:04.740
back up your phone over usb still so i guess the frustrating thing is just that they aren't presenting

01:46:04.740 --> 01:46:11.540
that oh apparently apple's being sued over this in the uk oh that's hilarious okay so i was uh

01:46:15.220 --> 01:46:20.820
yeah you can still use itunes so that's good they just don't tell you so back to what i said

01:46:20.820 --> 01:46:24.740
in the beginning i think they should present you with the free option yeah cool rather than just

01:46:24.740 --> 01:46:30.500
saying hey oh no oh my god your iphone's not backed up buy storage buy cloud storage from us

01:46:31.060 --> 01:46:35.060
mm wow good guy uk good job

01:46:37.380 --> 01:46:41.860
well that's a valid reason to want usb 3 on the iphone i actually didn't really think about that

01:46:41.860 --> 01:46:48.580
when we uh when we talked about the um the original implementation of USB-C on the iphone 15 family

01:46:49.300 --> 01:46:55.140
i didn't think about faster backups with the pro versions that have uh i believe it's 5 gigabit per

01:46:55.220 --> 01:47:01.860
second right is it five or ten i think it's five pixel pixel bugs you to buy drive storage um

01:47:02.820 --> 01:47:08.100
but one kind of point that i will give to them and i don't know if iOS does this

01:47:08.100 --> 01:47:15.380
is it will also suggest that you like delete old photos that it thinks are like just of garbage

01:47:16.740 --> 01:47:20.900
if it's like like a parking location or something that you like it doesn't think you need anymore

01:47:20.900 --> 01:47:24.500
it'll be like hey you can get rid of all this stuff or like hey you haven't opened this app in

01:47:24.580 --> 01:47:28.820
like a year you should just uninstall it like it'll give you suggestions on reducing your

01:47:28.820 --> 01:47:33.380
the amount of data that you have which i think is kind of neat but they do try to push you to

01:47:33.380 --> 01:47:37.700
buy more kumo star in Floatplane chat made a really good point what's really ridiculous is

01:47:37.700 --> 01:47:43.460
they've had time time machine on macOS for like a bazillion years and didn't ever let you do that

01:47:43.460 --> 01:47:51.620
on the iphone there is absolutely no reason from like an ecosystem user experience standpoint

01:47:51.620 --> 01:47:56.180
that i shouldn't be able to just arrive at home and my iphone shouldn't just wi-fi sync to my time

01:47:56.180 --> 01:48:00.100
machine that i literally already have because i literally already have a mac apparently apple

01:48:00.100 --> 01:48:04.420
does that too i don't know i don't use iOS i wasn't saying in contrast to apple i was just

01:48:04.420 --> 01:48:08.660
saying that i do like that they do that it to be clear we started this segment with

01:48:09.380 --> 01:48:14.100
every mainstream operating system yeah is functionally adware now yeah um and it's it's

01:48:14.100 --> 01:48:19.460
really frustrating apparently you can wi-fi sync to itunes well why not like why not time machine

01:48:22.260 --> 01:48:25.700
is there a reason to not be able to do that to my nas that supports time machine

01:48:28.260 --> 01:48:29.300
i don't know man i just

01:48:31.780 --> 01:48:37.380
it just it doesn't seem it doesn't seem intuitive no one's fighting that deep blue

01:48:38.020 --> 01:48:41.700
deep blue says at luke why does the pixel not prompt me to add a different cloud account

01:48:41.700 --> 01:48:47.220
like draw box or next plow when i don't have enough drive storage i'm not i'm not defending google

01:48:47.940 --> 01:48:53.300
this isn't this isn't man you start talking about Android or iOS and people just immediately

01:48:55.380 --> 01:48:59.860
this isn't a wi-fi sync to itunes versus the other is apparently not automatic

01:49:01.140 --> 01:49:04.500
and archangel of death says it would be too convenient of an alternative to buying more

01:49:04.500 --> 01:49:09.220
iclad yes yes that's that's the whole point that that's what we're trying to say also i don't want

01:49:09.220 --> 01:49:14.180
to back up to my desktop pc because i don't want to have a raid array in my desktop pc i want to

01:49:14.180 --> 01:49:19.700
back up to my nas i want to use time machine like if i was an apple user that is what i would

01:49:19.700 --> 01:49:23.540
want i would want it to go to time machine that would be sick what's also super time machine is

01:49:24.180 --> 01:49:28.580
cool time machine has always been cool to be honest it is so cool and it's like it's not even

01:49:28.580 --> 01:49:34.420
it's one of those things that's not even like unique like snapshot based backup tools existed

01:49:34.420 --> 01:49:40.900
for billion years it's good and it's integrated yeah um and the only reason for them to not build

01:49:40.900 --> 01:49:47.060
a good integrated thing is so that they can sell you their own storage solution their own cloud

01:49:47.060 --> 01:49:54.980
storage yeah um anyway this is super cool this is the last thing that we really need to talk about

01:49:54.980 --> 01:50:00.660
before you go have you seen the land party house i was wondering if you were gonna see this yes i

01:50:00.660 --> 01:50:09.140
have what the heck you should like go or something i would actually love to the way pretty cool dude

01:50:09.140 --> 01:50:17.220
the way that this room folds up dude it's so sick and yeah you can so so closed station to the right

01:50:17.220 --> 01:50:22.500
it just looks like the wall and you can see so the the doors at the bottom support the desk like

01:50:22.500 --> 01:50:29.460
oh man this is so really cool incredibly thoughtful ddr panels under the floor this is so

01:50:29.460 --> 01:50:36.660
using them later cool um the upstairs office we can game here too yeah and there's uh there's

01:50:36.660 --> 01:50:40.980
keyboard like uh what looks like uh pull out keyboard trays or no that might just be keyboard

01:50:40.980 --> 01:50:44.500
storage i'm not sure because this one's just kind of sitting here like even better than that

01:50:46.020 --> 01:50:55.300
that is so cool flip up monitors that is wild oh wait yeah yeah yeah wow so that was literally

01:50:55.300 --> 01:51:00.740
a keyboard you saw they just flip it up that is so cool this is just extra i hadn't looked through

01:51:00.740 --> 01:51:04.420
the whole thing pre-show because i wanted to i wanted to do it live cable management

01:51:04.980 --> 01:51:11.860
stealthy stealthy absolutely love it killer conduit look at this look at this they've got

01:51:11.860 --> 01:51:17.860
actual like cable trays up in the ceiling just like you'd have in like a data center call rooms

01:51:18.420 --> 01:51:24.900
like they're in an office look at this that's so sick look at this this is hilarious 20 identical

01:51:24.900 --> 01:51:34.740
machines personal desktops door leads to the hot side oh my goodness this is so cool dude it's

01:51:34.740 --> 01:51:41.220
wicked this is so cool apparently it was like a million dollars yeah uh e-gads this photo has

01:51:41.220 --> 01:51:47.300
made a lot of network engineers angry oh because they're not using a patch panel response in the

01:51:47.300 --> 01:51:54.980
q and a okay yeah this was a mistake i'm a software guy yeah okay sounds good got you got you

01:51:55.940 --> 01:52:00.900
two gigabit per second fiber in it this is crazy look at this can you imagine like working at the

01:52:00.900 --> 01:52:06.660
you know the micro center when someone comes in like hey i'll take everything yeah thank you

01:52:07.300 --> 01:52:15.620
how many uh i'd like to i'd like to buy a 40 70 how many yes yeah um that was i guarantee you that

01:52:15.620 --> 01:52:24.340
was funny so assembly yeah man look at this space i it's just so it's so enticing yeah

01:52:25.380 --> 01:52:28.900
beautiful the house has normal parts too yeah i'd love to see it

01:52:30.340 --> 01:52:36.820
dude look at this yep cat door leads into the kids bedrooms i love it i i have wanted to do this

01:52:36.820 --> 01:52:41.380
since before we moved into our new place like little cat shelves and stuff on the wall i just

01:52:41.380 --> 01:52:48.180
haven't gotten around to it apparently one of their parents is like um like works in architectural

01:52:48.180 --> 01:52:55.060
design or something sorry cloud flare oh no no no no that oh i understand yeah and and kind of

01:52:55.060 --> 01:52:59.140
helped with this and has like designed some pretty cool stuff got a couple work from home call rooms

01:52:59.140 --> 01:53:05.540
clearly it does a good job cat restrooms like really man seriously though if i were to design

01:53:05.540 --> 01:53:10.020
my own house from scratch i would 100 do it if you never have to look at it and smell it

01:53:10.020 --> 01:53:13.700
like man cats are like the best pets ever the worst thing about them is the litter

01:53:14.660 --> 01:53:23.300
dude so cool oh it's space under the stairwells dude i could totally convert one of those spaces

01:53:23.300 --> 01:53:29.940
in my place to uh to a cat bathroom dude the downstairs one definitely i should do that and

01:53:29.940 --> 01:53:36.260
the and the main stairwell i could totally make a little door in there and i don't know how humans

01:53:36.260 --> 01:53:44.260
would access it but cats definitely could um a couple guest rooms dude this roof deck like what

01:53:45.220 --> 01:53:54.980
like freaking what oh yeah amazing um yeah super super cool project i i would love to

01:53:54.980 --> 01:54:00.420
come check it out i'm in i'm inviting i'm inviting myself to to go do a tour i mean honestly i think

01:54:00.420 --> 01:54:05.940
they already did like a great job of doing a tour of the place but i still would love to just check

01:54:05.940 --> 01:54:12.740
it out and get out over it yeah incredible someone one upped my host land center oh yeah it's a great

01:54:12.740 --> 01:54:18.100
title yeah yeah it's a great title slightly better than they also they didn't one up it they like six

01:54:18.100 --> 01:54:23.620
kind of smashed it yeah a little bit yeah like i didn't even think about other people in my family

01:54:23.620 --> 01:54:28.740
just keeps going they're like oh you thought we had one land center yeah what about second

01:54:29.700 --> 01:54:38.020
crazy i love it so sick i'm i'm i'm it's impressive to see anyone that dedicated to

01:54:38.020 --> 01:54:44.180
pretty much anything yeah and because it happens to be something that i think is super cool and i'm

01:54:44.180 --> 01:54:51.380
also into uh it's that much cooler yeah i think they did an amazing amazing job of their setup

01:54:51.380 --> 01:54:56.420
uh do you need to go you you you're like getting pretty anxious here so that that's fine get get

01:54:56.420 --> 01:55:03.140
out of here okay get out of here uh the topics what do you want to yeah i'll finish off the topics

01:55:03.140 --> 01:55:06.340
and then we can do a couple merge messages that i guess it'll just be me and you then

01:55:07.060 --> 01:55:13.060
let's see yep that i am there's only a couple i'm so excited for this Android will apparently

01:55:13.060 --> 01:55:18.980
finally be able to instantly log you into your apps on new devices this has been a huge pain

01:55:18.980 --> 01:55:26.100
point for me because i have so many like accounts and and two factors and dependencies that i basically

01:55:26.180 --> 01:55:31.540
cannot use a phone until probably three or four hours after i first start setting it up

01:55:31.540 --> 01:55:36.580
and it's annoying because for my job i switch phones a lot more than probably most people

01:55:36.580 --> 01:55:43.140
and i have like i have like i get like anxiety when i need to switch phones google has announced

01:55:43.140 --> 01:55:47.300
restore credentials which will allow apps to seamlessly log users into their accounts on

01:55:47.300 --> 01:55:52.820
new Android device after user restores their apps and data from a previous device oh if they

01:55:52.820 --> 01:55:56.980
can do it in a way that's like secure that's yeah i'm so that's why i started looking at this

01:55:56.980 --> 01:56:02.340
weird i'm so excited i just can't hide it i think this particularly for reviewers is going to be

01:56:02.340 --> 01:56:07.140
amazing the user experience should be as if they had already been using the new device they would

01:56:07.140 --> 01:56:12.420
even receive notifications from apps that have not yet been opened on the new device how it works

01:56:13.380 --> 01:56:17.460
signing into an app on the old device will create a restore key which is stored locally and backed

01:56:18.020 --> 01:56:23.540
up to the cloud apps can opt out of cloud backup you dare the restore key is a public key compatible

01:56:23.540 --> 01:56:28.340
pass key slash phyto two back ends and uses the same server side implementation as pass keys

01:56:28.340 --> 01:56:31.700
when setting up the new device the user can restore data from a cloud backup or transfer

01:56:31.700 --> 01:56:38.340
data locally why is google doing this is a question here i i i don't care i'm not asking that it's

01:56:38.340 --> 01:56:43.380
great am i am i this is counter my rant about google early in the show not doing anything this

01:56:43.380 --> 01:56:49.300
is innovation i am like this is actually pretty cool so excited about this okay my ride's gonna be

01:56:49.300 --> 01:56:52.980
here in two minutes i'm gonna go according to the Android developer blog 40 percent of people in

01:56:52.980 --> 01:56:57.300
the us reset or replace their smartphone every year that's a big one forget even like getting a new

01:56:57.300 --> 01:57:03.380
phone the number of device manufacturers where you're like hey i'm having a problem and their

01:57:03.380 --> 01:57:08.180
immediate response is to heart to reset the phone it's like do you have any idea how much

01:57:08.260 --> 01:57:13.460
f***ing work homework you just gave me resetting my phone that sucks resetting your device

01:57:14.660 --> 01:57:21.220
sucks huh anyway um they say that making the process of logging back into apps on a new

01:57:21.220 --> 01:57:25.300
phone much faster and easier will help avoid app abandonment and user churn okay well that part

01:57:25.300 --> 01:57:29.620
of it i'm not that into if it's just to like make sure i keep paying my subscriptions like a good

01:57:29.620 --> 01:57:39.460
little boy but um whatever i still love it um oh hold on the Android developer blog apparently

01:57:39.460 --> 01:57:44.100
the 40 percent is probably an overestimate our notes here say that's probably incorrect various

01:57:44.100 --> 01:57:49.860
statistics have it more like 10 to 20 max but anyway i'm in that 10 to 20 percent and so i'm

01:57:49.860 --> 01:57:55.300
extremely extremely excited about this and i i can't overstate how excited i am about it

01:57:55.940 --> 01:58:01.220
our last topic which i'm less excited about is microsoft ignite 2024 there's some good stuff

01:58:05.220 --> 01:58:11.380
microsoft announced the Windows resiliency initiative quick machine recovery allows it

01:58:11.380 --> 01:58:16.020
admins to remotely apply fixes to pcs that can't boot so this is in response to the crowd strike

01:58:16.020 --> 01:58:22.100
issue earlier this year Windows 11 enterprise now supports hot patching in public preview

01:58:22.180 --> 01:58:27.380
no reboot required okay that is pretty cool administrator protection standard users can

01:58:27.380 --> 01:58:33.700
temporarily gain admin privileges by authenticating with Windows hello and more and then next up we've

01:58:33.700 --> 01:58:41.700
got the Windows 365 link this is a little less exciting a 350 edge pc that only serves as a client

01:58:42.580 --> 01:58:49.380
to access a Windows 365 cloud pc it supports dual 4k monitors has four usb ports an Ethernet port

01:58:49.380 --> 01:58:57.300
Wi-Fi 6e and bluetooth 5.3 will be available in april 2025 my only question is why does this

01:58:57.300 --> 01:59:06.580
need to exist in a world where the mac mini also exists cloud powered performance the mac mini is

01:59:06.580 --> 01:59:14.020
a rip and fast pc for yes more but i would say considering that it is a full fat like awesome

01:59:14.020 --> 01:59:22.100
pc for that price is a lot more compelling but hey we'll see how it goes we'll see how it goes

01:59:22.100 --> 01:59:28.100
microsoft also announced new ai-powered customizable co-pilot agents that are rolling out in microsoft

01:59:28.100 --> 01:59:33.620
365 aka office like the facilitator agent which can take real-time notes during teams meetings

01:59:33.620 --> 01:59:37.460
and chats which is in public preview now we use a third party tool for that so this is actually

01:59:37.460 --> 01:59:41.940
kind of useful for us interpreter agent which provides real-time speech to speech interpretation

01:59:41.940 --> 01:59:47.300
during meetings even optionally simulating the user's voice public preview in early 2025 and

01:59:47.300 --> 01:59:51.380
an employee self-service agent which can answer common policy questions and facilitate tasks

01:59:51.380 --> 01:59:56.900
related to hr and it okay maybe i'm maybe i'm getting more excited it was just the it was just

01:59:56.900 --> 02:00:03.380
the Windows 365 link that i was like because microsoft 365 is all co-pilotified microsoft is

02:00:03.380 --> 02:00:09.620
adding a little co-pilot badges to the app icons for word excel powerpoint etc and best of all

02:00:09.620 --> 02:00:17.940
they're changing the microsoft 365 logo to something pretty similar to the co-pilot logo

02:00:17.940 --> 02:00:33.460
but with an m 365 badge this is a terrible logo um huh oh wow it says please watch this 10-second

02:00:33.460 --> 02:00:40.260
clip with audio to hear ignite attendees if the enthusiasm for this change sure you've got some

02:00:40.260 --> 02:00:45.540
audio playing some mute uh something else first uh yeah i will do that give me one sec i i i would

02:00:45.540 --> 02:00:52.820
imagine they're gonna sound about like what i just sounded like looking at that logo i i had not um

02:00:53.380 --> 02:01:00.820
i had not seen that yet and it is not very good here we go all right 10 second clip then should

02:01:00.900 --> 02:01:06.900
it work yep okay here we go icon to the new microsoft 365 co-pilot icon

02:01:11.700 --> 02:01:12.340
oh boy

02:01:15.380 --> 02:01:27.620
wow oh that was the shortest oh polite applause that i think i have ever heard at a keynote

02:01:28.180 --> 02:01:35.620
wow uh this last part is actually super cool also rolling out now for meta quest 3 and 3s users

02:01:35.620 --> 02:01:41.540
these is the ability to access a local or cloud-based Windows instance and interact with multiple

02:01:41.540 --> 02:01:47.940
virtual monitors whoo that's uh that's looking pretty cool and comes at a much lower price than

02:01:47.940 --> 02:01:53.780
an apple vision pro and a macbook so uh i can see people being pretty stoked on that one as well good

02:01:54.500 --> 02:02:01.140
gravy was that ever savage though wow i i think i might even even as much as i don't like it i

02:02:01.140 --> 02:02:07.380
think i could probably muster a little bit more fake enthusiasm than that yikes all right why don't

02:02:07.380 --> 02:02:12.740
we switch over to when after dark mr Dan besser can do whoa we need to switch the wanshow to this

02:02:12.740 --> 02:02:20.500
time forever our concurrence on youtube are like 15 percent 20 percent higher than usual that's

02:02:20.980 --> 02:02:28.100
20 higher than usual that's higher than of very high i'm showing 16 oh never there we go

02:02:28.100 --> 02:02:34.100
everybody stop watching uh yeah yeah we should do that oh man i don't want to get up early on

02:02:34.100 --> 02:02:39.940
fridays though me too this sucks uh it's actually 5000 youtube is there's an error uh yeah yeah it's

02:02:39.940 --> 02:02:45.220
a reporting error reporting the dashboard is broken um exactly oh crap okay you know what's

02:02:45.300 --> 02:02:52.420
funny is we always did it at the later time because and i don't want to make anyone else

02:02:52.420 --> 02:03:02.500
feel unappreciated but we always did it at the later time because um the australian crew was like

02:03:02.500 --> 02:03:09.700
so into being able to catch wanshow and so vocal about it that we picked the afternoon on fridays

02:03:09.700 --> 02:03:15.460
because it would be um not a work night for the east coast in north america so they could kind of

02:03:15.460 --> 02:03:20.980
stay up and watch it and it would be uh in the morning for the australians to watch and we've

02:03:20.980 --> 02:03:31.700
just kind of we just kind of um we our european audience was a lot less vocal and a lot a lot

02:03:31.700 --> 02:03:39.860
smaller back then and so we have we have always been kind of aussie uh aussie accommodating and

02:03:39.860 --> 02:03:44.740
maybe it's because i don't know maybe it's because i kind of think of australians as probably one of

02:03:44.740 --> 02:03:51.700
the closest cultures to canada um maybe i felt like some kinship you know we're both kind of like

02:03:51.700 --> 02:03:56.340
they're like sorry but with spiders yeah we're still kind of commonwealth but like you know

02:03:56.980 --> 02:04:01.220
kind of f**king charles you know like i don't know we just always kind of seemed

02:04:01.220 --> 02:04:04.340
we always kind of seemed on the same page about things but um

02:04:06.900 --> 02:04:12.820
yeah this is wow this is a this is a lot um this is a lot uh a lot higher viewership than

02:04:12.820 --> 02:04:16.900
usual i hadn't looked at the analytical i hadn't either yeah no this is uh concerning

02:04:16.900 --> 02:04:23.700
huh outlier um okay uh yeah maybe you know oh well i'm not promising anything because

02:04:23.700 --> 02:04:29.860
the work week is very challenging here in a lot of ways and i'm often mentally

02:04:29.860 --> 02:04:34.820
really tired like i to be clear i don't think that i work a hard manual labor job or anything

02:04:34.820 --> 02:04:41.940
like that but it can be mentally very exhausting and uh early morning on my on my fridays is not

02:04:41.940 --> 02:04:47.060
my favorite time to have to be like on for two to four hours now that's another thing too is

02:04:47.060 --> 02:04:51.540
doing it at the end of the workday on friday means that we can just kind of like not disturb

02:04:51.540 --> 02:04:56.500
anybody and we can go for as long as we need to until we're blocking like three or four sets

02:04:56.500 --> 02:04:59.940
right now yeah you can't do a ShortCircuit nobody can come in the building we can't do

02:04:59.940 --> 02:05:05.620
TechLinked nobody can be upstairs uh why do you keep moving yourself you're the you're my only

02:05:05.620 --> 02:05:11.620
co-host right now down oh yeah i keep forgetting about that uh i should try and move the camera

02:05:11.620 --> 02:05:17.540
over slightly if i can do that but it might not be a terrible idea anyway yeah so okay i didn't

02:05:17.540 --> 02:05:23.060
consider that so it definitely won't be any changes anytime soon but um yeah i'm definitely

02:05:23.060 --> 02:05:28.020
i'm definitely liking y'all hanging out with us that's pretty cool it's kind of fun all right

02:05:28.020 --> 02:05:31.940
want to hit me with uh a handful of merch messages and then i guess we should get out of people's

02:05:31.940 --> 02:05:38.260
way yeah probably uh let's see with graphics card running hotter and the 4090 already being a 60

02:05:38.260 --> 02:05:43.060
millimeter thick will we eventually see tower coolers as standard would you consider janking

02:05:43.060 --> 02:05:51.860
one together for a current or next gen i mean dude i i would a a few short years ago i would have

02:05:51.860 --> 02:05:57.700
said no that's just a silly mod that people do and uh we're always gonna need to keep our slots open

02:05:57.700 --> 02:06:05.620
for additional add-in cards and then what add-in cards do people even install anymore what are we

02:06:05.620 --> 02:06:11.540
supposed to like most motherboards like they they high-end motherboards this is a funny thing it

02:06:11.540 --> 02:06:16.020
used to be pisses me off so much dude remember remember when high-end motherboards had more

02:06:16.020 --> 02:06:22.420
PCIe slots yeah i will pay more for extra because i need a lot of pc i card sometimes yeah now it's

02:06:22.420 --> 02:06:30.020
like one yeah basic boards especially like matx matx is one that drives me absolutely bonkers

02:06:30.020 --> 02:06:35.700
because the high-end ones will remove PCIe slots but they're not even full-size atx board so they

02:06:35.700 --> 02:06:40.900
don't have like five or six m dot two slots on them so i'm sitting here going what did you do with

02:06:40.900 --> 02:06:46.260
the lanes why am i paying extra for this if you're not putting like a plx chip on it and giving me

02:06:46.260 --> 02:06:53.300
all the slots what what happened basic matx boards have all the slots what's happening here um exactly

02:06:53.300 --> 02:06:59.540
and so uh yeah now that this trend of people only install GPU's in their systems because GPU's cost

02:06:59.540 --> 02:07:06.180
so much we can't afford other cards just not the not the real reason they're but i don't know it might

02:07:06.180 --> 02:07:12.900
be a contributor um i don't know i mean what i will say is that i wouldn't be surprised if 5090

02:07:12.900 --> 02:07:19.060
coolers are about the same size as 4090 coolers even with the rumored increase in TDP and the reason

02:07:19.060 --> 02:07:24.580
for that is that the rumor is that 4090 coolers were designed for a much higher TDP because

02:07:24.580 --> 02:07:29.460
NVIDIA kind of rug pulled the their board partners on what the exact heat output of the card was

02:07:29.460 --> 02:07:35.140
going to be so i don't think they're going to get bigger in the next generation but with that said

02:07:35.140 --> 02:07:41.300
man i don't think anything's off the table anymore oh man dude how cool would it be Dan if we had uh

02:07:41.300 --> 02:07:45.540
oh i guess i should look this way at you even though you're physically over there yeah sure that

02:07:45.540 --> 02:07:52.980
works uh oh my goodness uh how cool would it be if we had a standard where you're kind of like the

02:07:52.980 --> 02:07:59.780
old trashcan mac pro right where you've got your CPU socket and then you've got your GPU and the

02:07:59.780 --> 02:08:05.220
die is on the top and you could just do like a gigantic combo cooler and then just have like

02:08:05.220 --> 02:08:10.820
front to back airflow that goes right through it uh yeah i'd like that or that'd be sick like you

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could have your CPU cooler here and then maybe another thing that kind of wraps around it yeah

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so you can still remove them or you could move the CPU socket more to the right of the board

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yeah uh and then you could um because you'd have such a large cooler like a GPU even though it kicks

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out so much heat is a larger die it's easier to move the heat away from so you could cool your

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smaller die CPU where you really need that temperature differential between the the air

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and the and the fins um or rather and and the and the and the processor itself and then you

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could take that semi heated air blow that through like a big a large cooler for the GPU so you could

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you could either do them serial or you could do them uh like split like you could have the CPU on

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the one side and the GPU on the one side and then you could just have like a tunnel that you're

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blowing air down that kind of cools each on both sides or i think probably the most effective

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design would be like the trash can which really did a great job of cool of removing that much

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heat for its size and for its noise and then you would just have like heat pipes coming off the GPU

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heat pipes coming off the CPU into this like a great big fin stack that would be freaking cool

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and maybe we should start seeing like you know CPU chips just come as a chip when can we get

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GPU's that do that oh it's never gonna happen i know it would be never gonna happen i think i think

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what pisses me off mostly about the new motherboards these days is again yeah like a pc i lanes um

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pc i gen five came out all the boards put it on it it has like a thousand pc i gen four lanes

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what speed do uh GPU's run out Linus it's pc i gen four times eight for now for now for now

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i i would like to see i'd like to see the desktop use the additional bandwidth of pc i gen five

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differently i would actually rather than see a pc i e by 16 GPU slot i would like to see

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everyone get together and kind of go hey can we all acknowledge that 16 current generation lanes

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is utterly unnecessary and can we start putting 8x slots as our primary GPU slot and using those

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lanes somewhere else having more slots having more i o having more more storage ports you know i i i

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put the new consumer the pc i five came out i need the new nice big thing that's the new number

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right well hold on there is i see pc i gen four times x you know i've got a mother board that

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has seven pc i slots uh i know what i'm buying average consumer sees top of the line board

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pc i gen five they know that it they don't know that the GPU's don't even run at the speeds i have

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a justification down i have a justification for this go for it if i still had a 16x slot right

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pc i gen five by 16 and a pc i e gen six card comes out right i could take that i could put it in

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my gen five slot and i'd still be getting half of its total theoretical bandwidth if we move to

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buy eight interfaces um i will be getting now and we get like a 16x card and i put it in my 8x

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slot that's a gen old i will be getting a quarter of the theoretical bandwidth which could actually

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impact performance another thing um a lot of the CPU and north bridge like lanes are shared

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if i put too many NVMe drives in it disables pc i slots if i put too many SATA drives in it disables

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pc i slots what if you just give me eight slots on the board and then we can adjust which ones are

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active or not dude server boards like that's kind of what i'm talking about right that's basically

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how they work now is you don't even have slots on them they just have those little um what what's

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that mini whatever connector called uh Jake sent me the wildest looking board that was pretty i think

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it was from asrock rack where it just had no slots on it and just the entire bottom of the

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board was covered in those uh those pc i e riser connectors and i was like oh my gosh that's so cool

02:12:15.300 --> 02:12:20.020
because then you can you just design your chassis around that and you just like carry pc i e wherever

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you want it storage devices GPU's basically uh that would be super nice like taking the pc i standard

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to its logical conclusion and just making everything like an head in card yeah not oculink

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it's it's the it's the newer one i i it's it's escaping me right now um i have no idea yeah i

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can't remember no it's not oculink oh yeah bifurcation is another huge thing i've got a quad

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m dot two drive thing in there adding cable cost though is gonna is gonna kill the deal

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on consumer like for servers yes but not for not for yeah but it gives manufacturers

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the opportunity to sell more dongles yeah i mean the end of the dongles like it they'll love it

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they'll push it for just that i think case it would really change case design that would be

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that would be super cool if all of a sudden you could kind of like creatively mount

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cards anywhere but looking at how little adoption we've seen for for pc i e risers like it's still

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niche in the small form factor space or like the vertical mounts like it's still i would say

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at most probably one percent of pc's if you factor in pre-builds probably less like i i just

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don't think most people are going to be willing to absorb that additional that additional cost

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probably not all right what what else we got today okay thanks for the early show now i can

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watch it work since i work in a data center myself i love that video tour uh was there anything that

02:13:44.180 --> 02:13:51.860
you learned that you want to apply to your home's pool loop uh those leak detection cords are super

02:13:51.860 --> 02:13:57.540
cool like being able to know exactly where it is but but no um the the cost of implementing

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things the way that they do them is why we didn't do it that way it's not because we like didn't

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think of it uh it's yeah it's super cool to like see it all done right i'd say the one thing that

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we are legitimately considering because we've had multiple power outages here at the office in

02:14:15.780 --> 02:14:23.060
the last couple of weeks because of storms in the in the southwestern bc area is diesel generator

02:14:23.060 --> 02:14:32.420
backups uh we're getting pretty darn tired of our power going out um but like we can't afford to

02:14:32.420 --> 02:14:38.340
have you know an on-site you know fuel purifier and like so it's going to be someone's job to

02:14:38.420 --> 02:14:43.460
micromanage like making sure we have non-stale diesel fuel on site all the time and i'm just

02:14:43.460 --> 02:14:47.860
looking at it going we can barely keep our our snackies drawers stocked because and and that's

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not because you know people like you know do a bad job or something it's just because like we've

02:14:52.340 --> 02:15:00.580
we've got a lot going on and it's easy for it's easy for just in case we need it stuff to fall

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by the wayside when something else is happening right so i i understand especially if you can't

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even keep snackies in stock which are extremely visible oh yeah you know okay you know you know

02:15:12.180 --> 02:15:17.620
why the snackies aren't in stock right now yeah canada post strike casco relies on them for

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delivery so we don't have snackies right now like i think our i think our shipment is like

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one of those limbo shipments where it started before the strike ended and then or before the

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strike started and then didn't get completed or something i i don't know exactly why i'm

02:15:32.820 --> 02:15:36.980
piecing this together someone told me that it's to do with the canada post strike and i read an

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article about how some things are stuck in limbo so i made some assumptions i connected some dots

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but basically it's something to do with the canada post strike what we'll call the moldies now

02:15:46.420 --> 02:15:50.660
instead of snackies because it's just been in a warehouse for the last month and a half thanks

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Dan um let's see last one i've got here for you hello gents i think my last merch message went

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astray yes it did i'm sorry about that i own a zx spectrum uk competitor to the commodore 64

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do you think keyboard computers could ever make a comeback love max um no the keyboard is has become

02:16:12.820 --> 02:16:18.500
such a personal choice like even and i'm not even talking about the people for whom their keyboard is

02:16:19.060 --> 02:16:24.260
is their their purest expression of their self you know um i'm talking about just

02:16:25.220 --> 02:16:31.860
a low profile high profile numpad no numpad uh positioning of various keys uh keyboards have

02:16:31.860 --> 02:16:39.780
become such a personal choice that i i feel like integrating them into a device would be a fundamental

02:16:39.780 --> 02:16:46.980
error of the greatest magnitude um like even even mobile devices right like they they come with a

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keyboard but you can absolutely switch it out for a different keyboard a different layout different

02:16:51.700 --> 02:17:00.180
functionality if you want um i just i i don't i don't see us making a return to this and sure

02:17:00.180 --> 02:17:04.660
yes okay you could make it modular kind of like what framework did on the framework 16

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but again i look at what an outlier the framework 16 is as a laptop with you know a slim modular

02:17:11.380 --> 02:17:20.180
keyboard um more modularity is absolutely absolutely not the direction that the industry

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is going and i wouldn't expect that trend to reverse anytime soon yeah uh randall we don't

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have no plans for a like a formal tool bag at this time nothing's impossible but there's nothing

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happening at this time and i think that's it for the wancho it feels bizarre doesn't it to be done

02:17:41.540 --> 02:17:49.460
wancho like yeah and then go for lunch again just what do i do i don't know i like i feel like

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my day's over and it's time to go home like this is like like like salivation condition response

02:17:54.180 --> 02:17:58.340
right now yeah i'm ready i'm gonna i'm sleepy i'm ready to go to bed yeah because like i was talking

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to sammy about this i've had maybe three or four like single hand friday nights off in 10 years

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not even exaggerating um so i'm like will i just go and like

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stare at the ceiling all evening yeah because i because i take my my meds too early this morning

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and i'm wired i told my kids i told my kids that i'm coming home at a reasonable time and they were

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like why i was like well i'm why do you lie to us daddy yeah i know i was like oh we're doing

02:18:27.460 --> 02:18:31.540
wancho in the morning they're like why i'm like because luke has to catch a flight and they're

02:18:31.540 --> 02:18:36.740
like oh i'm like oh okay maybe i guess you guys have plans on friday nights i i don't blame you

02:18:36.740 --> 02:18:43.700
i mean i've been absentee dad on friday nights for your entire lives but yeah sure i mean uh cool

02:18:44.740 --> 02:18:49.620
have a uk snack or just leave i don't know yeah i mean our branding's all off now we can't have

02:18:49.620 --> 02:18:56.260
wancho after dark when it isn't dark it's messed up man everything's messed up i didn't even push the

02:18:56.260 --> 02:19:01.700
button oh yeah oh okay well let's do a special let's do a special shout out for dbrand then

02:19:01.700 --> 02:19:07.220
who didn't get their uh their their banner interruptions and actually i can i can show you guys

02:19:08.580 --> 02:19:13.860
i saw it on the forum oh okay well that's the ridge collaborative product hold on let's wait

02:19:13.860 --> 02:19:19.060
let's refresh again and find another collaborative product hello oh our cost goes next came through

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ups as of yesterday oh did they okay so it's fixed now then i think they've always come

02:19:25.060 --> 02:19:28.660
through ups oh well why did someone tell me it was something to do with canada post then i don't

02:19:28.660 --> 02:19:33.860
know blaming you i'm gonna go speak to that person okay do i have to load a new page like what's

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what's going on here uh okay hello refresh i thought alt f5 is supposed to do like a full refresh

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alt function f5 am i am i just completely derping here Dan

02:19:49.540 --> 02:19:58.580
uh on what on alt f5 alt f5 is the thing to refresh the page right i think that's like is

02:19:58.580 --> 02:20:04.740
that force refresh well i thought it was i thought is it it's just f5 alt shift f5 i don't know what

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the force oh sorry oh yeah i thought it was all is it shift f it's shift f5 good lord for the force

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yeah okay i haven't had a reason oh crap i haven't had a reason to force refresh a page in years and

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years and years sorry it doesn't happen very often yeah i i don't even know if it works there's no

02:20:21.460 --> 02:20:25.540
like indicator that it's actually a force refresh i don't think it's force refreshing because it's

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loading it's loading the exact same thing even if i whether i shift you guys are sure it's not

02:20:32.980 --> 02:20:39.140
alt control is it control i think sometimes there's like a shortcut that you hit the refresh icon

02:20:39.140 --> 02:20:43.780
while holding down a shortcut i don't know if that works okay yeah it seems to be just

02:20:45.220 --> 02:20:50.820
not okay LTT backpack available now i'm just going to keep clicking stuff until whatever the point is

02:20:53.940 --> 02:20:55.700
we finally launched

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oh uh black friday sale ends in 10 hours shop now i don't oh my god i don't care uh okay yeah circuit

02:21:06.340 --> 02:21:15.380
board so cool um this apparently is gyro controlled on Android which i thought was pretty neat uh if

02:21:15.380 --> 02:21:22.420
you go to um if you go to the the circuit board landing page um there's three different versions

02:21:22.420 --> 02:21:31.460
we've got uh dark circuit ShortCircuit and glow circuit and uh it's going pretty good people are

02:21:31.460 --> 02:21:35.780
pretty into the design so guys you can you can check that out our skin partner d brand there you

02:21:35.780 --> 02:21:41.540
go all right i think that's pretty much it we'll see you guys again next week same bad time same bad

02:21:41.540 --> 02:21:47.620
channel oh oh crap what what you should do is we should pull up a video well no no we got this

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you got a column yeah i was gonna i was freaking out i don't know what's gonna happen this is uh this

02:21:51.620 --> 02:21:56.820
is hilarious for the first little while before i synchronized my contacts on the iphone uh luke

02:21:56.820 --> 02:22:02.100
was still in my address book as slick and so i didn't realize that i went to call him with

02:22:02.100 --> 02:22:08.100
with voice in my car and i was like call luke laffernier and it's like sorry who i'm like call

02:22:08.100 --> 02:22:13.940
slick and it goes through i kind of want to put him back in my address book is that

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oh hey bye

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all right

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I

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Have made a terrible mistake. I said same bad time it'll it'll be like the normal time not this time, okay