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hey morning everybody morning morning somewhere oh I guess I could change into

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that wait is that your circuitry I don't know really so it is not it is not you're

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really dedicating to that that pendant day is it good pen amulet what do they

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call it I don't know something something legendary or when I read it it sounded

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like a an RPG item more than we're putting a surprising amount of real work

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Luke's morning voice to what is different

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okay my laptop's on now all right

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okay oh yeah I guess it's scheduled right okay let me just make sure I have my

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so so do you watch the fight last week if you can call it that I saw a little

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bits of it I didn't watch the whole thing I mean it wasn't very long did you

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watch the wait what wasn't it no it went full rounds didn't it well I mean

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yeah but they were two-minute rounds cuz they like looked at each other and

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there were eight rounds yeah so yeah we call it a show I think we should call it

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a show yeah yeah there's that clip that people have been sharing around of

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Tyson's majorly pulled punch I don't like a very clear shot and he's mid

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swinging and Jake like you can see him go like and pull back and then mid swing

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Tyson just goes yeah all right cancels it okay they've both been banned from

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boxing I don't believe you know only because like of mandatory fight rest

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times I think what like you're not allowed to fight immediately after oh okay

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yeah that's yeah whatever it unless I'm like mistaken I thought it was just a

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clickbait thing

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am I wrong I mean no one's like linking anything yeah they required time someone

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said yeah yeah so that's just that's just like actual works like daily males

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headline here is technically correct they have both been given suspensions

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from boxing it was controversial but those two things are not related yeah

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yeah yeah news is struggling all right let's let's do this thing we ready

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good morning everyone and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined

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up for you guys today what is this the DOJ will try to force Google to sell

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Chrome no not like like you have to pay for Chrome in order to use it like sell

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business unit this is freaking wild we could also talk about the fight last week

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or should we call it a show yeah I don't know we're not boxing commentators but

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like realistically that wasn't a boxing match so that's a good call I got them

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I won't give a probably not going to talk about that so hold on hold on let me

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find something else here I should probably expand on what we said last

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week or rather expand on why I wasn't able to say more last week about

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the hiatus I is that the term for multiple hiatus is hi to see whichever

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one it is Yvonne watched the segment and she was just like that sucked dude you

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didn't even like explain why you can't explain and I was like well I thought it

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was self-evident and she was like it wasn't and I was like okay thank you

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better half I will do better next time I do I understand why you thought that but

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I also understand why some people might not get it cool let's go what else we got

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today we need a puffery shirt the number of people that talk about puffery ever

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since that segment it's really it's really stayed around y'all don't seem to

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want actual tech tips yeah question mark no that that seems to be a thing that

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seems to be a thing we can talk about that also Microsoft ignite 2024 things

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you don't want plus fixing crowdstrike nice

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the show is brought to you by Notion Vessie server part deals not to me one

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and our laptop partner LG our rap partner D brand and of course our chair

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partner secret lab who sent over new chairs for us yeah they're just like

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the old chairs but wider and like soft yeah they have they have soft ARM rests

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yeah which we're both wearing long sleeves cuz it's like the heat just

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turned on this morning so it's not actually warm in here I was good I told

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me to wear this oh okay extremely comfy oh okay but yeah well whatever I'm

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cold right into our headline topic today the Department of Justice will try

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to force Google to sell Chrome ban default search deals and license data for

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10 years also Chrome OS might become Android so they have they've submitted

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their recommended remedies to judge a meat meta who ruled that Google illegally

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maintains a monopoly on search back in August and these are the recommended

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remedies so selling their Chrome web browser at the DOJ views it as a key

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component of Google's search monopoly with approximately 65% browser share

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across all platforms with chromium based browsers accounting for nearly 80% of

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the market however I would I would push back a little bit a little bit on clumping

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other chromium based browsers in with the chrome monopoly really their fault

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well it is and it isn't the dominance of Chrome is what's making a chromium basis

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so important for maintaining compatibility with the rest of the web

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and even though Google does not single-handedly develop another chromium

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based browser they can certainly shove certain they can certainly shove certain

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ideas along and and and make them difficult to go against even though it

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is possible in some cases they can they can attempt to manifest their own

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optimal business environment oh I like that yeah yeah I like that that's good

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that's good so anyway I think that the numbers a little I'm just saying I think

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the numbers a little fuzzy yeah it's clearly not sure 65% but I also don't

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think it's 80% 80% no matter which one of them it is though let's be real that

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is a dominant position and it was it is one that Google has has painstakingly

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meticulously created and used to their advantage this is kind of wild the next

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recommendation is banning Google from entering into default search deals which

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amount to 26 billion dollars annually and might end up hurting Mozilla more

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than it does Google rudely yeah to be clear a lot of that is 26 billion is

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going to Apple not to Mozilla but man this one oh I have kind of I have kind

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of mixed feelings on on the one hand yeah these default search deals are a

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huge part of why we all tolerate Google search because it's just there when we

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open up our browser with that said if that works then more people would use

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Bing but yeah I mean I understand just still default in Windows and Bing is

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definitely still default an edge if the product was that bad I guess people would

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be willing to switch off of it or maybe that's different platform by platform I

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mean the whole switching to iOS experience has definitely has definitely

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opened my eyes to how intuitive doesn't mean intuitive it just means

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whatever arcane ridiculousness you've personally gotten used to right and

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that is true that's true across across multiple platforms I mean how is it

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intuitive to press control alt delete to access some kind of system menu it's

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not doing for a long time exactly so so to you specifically exactly so so

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depending on the platform you might find users more or less malleable and

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it's it's pretty well established that behavior across iOS and Android users

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is different for example I remember like years ago this used to get talked about

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a lot more and maybe it's because there was more transparency into the numbers

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I actually don't know why nobody talks about it anymore but I remember it would

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it would make headlines sort of like cyclically that Apple users spend way

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more money yeah on the app store they used to be super common to be talked

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about I think that was often when there was notable or more notable I would say

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differences between the apps I remember people used to be really frustrated because Android users had lower image quality on Instagram back in the day

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yeah yeah that was little things like that were were much more discernible it

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was you generally had a worse experience on Android because Android users were

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seen as like cheap and not worth focusing on development yeah and and and and

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they were yeah to be honest so like yeah like very measurably if you don't

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remember this it was like a huge topic and like a like a many times multiplier

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it wasn't like the average Android user spends 9% less on apps compared to the

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average Apple user and this was more of a thing back I would imagine more of a

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thing back when like pretty much every app was like kind of useless unless you

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spent like two or three dollars like that was what a that was what a paid app

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was back in the day it wasn't so much subscription based services in 2024 the

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average iPhone user spends $12.77 per app by comparison the average Android

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user spends $6.19 so it's still double still double wow okay as far as my

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understanding goes it was like a much bigger gap in the past but I'm not I

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don't know how to percent right now I don't know if what Parkour is saying here is true but if it it funny if true a snapchat on Android was apparently

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just a screenshot of the camera compared to iOS directly using the camera it

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doesn't really it wouldn't really it wouldn't really surprise me that much it

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works I mean yeah and do you really need do you really need that kind of

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fidelity in a pick I mean I'm just asking questions I'm just asking

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questions you know if you if you have lower fidelity you might gain a pixel

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here there yeah I mean it's not the whole point of snapchat low fidelity get it

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different kinds of fidelity see I got it I'm actually I'm actually I'm actually

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what's what's what's our nuts Ashley Madison just released their just

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released released their most non monogamous cities in Canada list oh no

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yeah Vancouver really Vancouver's very low non monogamy so I mean to be clear

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I'm not saying that that's that's a goal I'm just there's there's all kinds of

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well there's like you know ethical non monogamy but isn't that site specifically

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I'm not judging you if you're like for cheating though well there's a big

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difference I mean is any site for anything really Luke I mean it's

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Floatplane for early access to anymore although very occasionally very

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occasionally there are things but I was actually hinting at something but I yeah

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look what I found oh wow I didn't find it I'm gonna put it in my luggage and then

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I found it that way but I found a relic wow that is not even that many people in

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the audience are even gonna know what that's a name I've not heard in a long

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time a long time I pulled that on my luggage was like what what is this yeah

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so apparently I lost a shirt but I still have the tuc nice yeah I I'm pretty

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sure I still have the shirt kicking around somewhere yeah but it's not it's

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not my go-to pajama shirt anymore it was for a long time now it's my gbo shirt

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yeah yeah another another name that hasn't stood the test of time what on

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earth were we supposed to be talking about oh right Google they also are

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recommending that Google be required to license its search index data to

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competitors for 10 years so this is the kind of like whoa not slap on the

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wrist but actual like no you guys need to not behave like this again and you

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guys need to take active steps to prop up your competitors to make up for the

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anti-competitive practices that you guys have engaged in and I gotta tell you

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already slightly we're not even all the way through the list here already I'm

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looking at this going I I have no idea what's gonna happen in January because on

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the one hand I think we've I think we've both been pretty happy to see the US

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actually finally engage in oh dude Lena Khan any antitrust investigations and

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remediation but I I have no idea whether that will or won't continue with

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the next administration because I think that everyone on both sides of the

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political spectrum can agree that it is likely to be unpredictable yeah I I know

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a pretty strong theory around this whole like you're gonna have to sell Chrome

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thing is that Google's probable defense is going to be to delay as much as

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possible and try again with the new administration the thing with the new

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administration though is I don't think they have any particular love for Google

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the in general general reply to that theory is that big tech right now is

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kind of at odds with both sides which is kind of a funny thing because a lot of

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the a lot of the transgressions that both sides are kind of mad at big tech

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about are are very different from each other like they're sort of mad for

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completely different reasons yeah and it's hard to feel bad for you know the

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tech billionaires that have kind of you know sold us up the river over and over

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and over again over the last couple of decades but I do kind of feel like at

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this point now that everything's so far gone that they just are monopolies

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whether they you know kind of like it or not and to be clear you do not have to

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be the mono in monopoly is not actually like strictly speaking necessary right

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you can just be in a dominant abusively dominant position you don't

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actually just have to be a monopoly to follow foul of antitrust regulations if

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you completely control everything yes or don't even close to it or or or

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collude with a handful of other parties to control things yeah veritasium has an

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amazing video on it so there are some very very there there are some very

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non monopolist cities in Canada sorry wait what are we talking about the point

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is just that everyone's kind of mad at them and looking for an excuse to kind

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of punish them but the remediation that another administration might ask for

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might be really different yes I guess is is what I would worry about so maybe

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roll the dice again kind of thinking this is probably one of the worst they

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could have got and then hoping for better I don't know yeah I do think the just

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jumping back to it a little bit because I saw some comments about this in the flow plane chat when we were talking about it but the 26 billion in search

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deals hurting you know it's gonna hurt Apple but not really Apple will be fine

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yeah exactly it's really like the the big damage that we're probably gonna feel

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is to Mozilla they're declining in usership effectively constantly oh

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thanks Dan I wasn't actually I think okay I want to clarify something really

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quick that's not my gesture for fill my water I was checking if there was water

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in it that the optics of that were not great

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that's I didn't even notice that's pretty funny but but yeah I so like honestly

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this shake up okay significantly less cash in the bank I suspect it might

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immediately hurt Mozilla in the ability to employ people department things like

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that as far as my understanding goes they actually had layoffs recently I

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suspect that may continue if this happens but a significant shake up in the

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browser market could result in a user base increase an actual one we can help

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that could result in Firefox actually having long legs instead of this just

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constant decline to eventual irrelevance which they've been kind of on the

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path of I enjoy Firefox I use Firefox daily in my personal life Firefox has

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been my mobile browser actually the entire time I've ever had an Android phone

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since the very beginning of having an Android phone it's gonna be so much

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less lucrative for Firefox to even have users if they aren't benefiting from

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that Google default search deal yeah you know Bing could swoop in it's not a

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ban of there being default search deals it's just a ban of there being you know

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Google once it reduces the competition yeah who's the competition why would

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Microsoft have to pay a ton of money for it and and if I'm Microsoft and I'm

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watching this go down for Google I'm like I don't know if I want to do that

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yeah yeah I mean that's like that's how this is supposed to work right like

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that's these remedies are not supposed to be oh here's a one billion dollar fine

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like cost of doing business they're supposed to be like oh crap everyone

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else looking at this going holy crap we really should not do that we should not

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do that people are talking about like duck duck go the issue is that duck duck

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go doesn't have any money like they have money but they don't have like billions

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of dollars a year to use our search engine money otherwise they would just be

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doing it already I'll talk I'll talk I'm guessing in full plain chat said since

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2019 Mozilla has lost 30 million monthly average users yikes yeah so they've been

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on a just they've lost almost an entire Canada of users eventually they're not

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going to have anything to take this money from anyways right like there will be

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nothing for Google to have bought from them so like I don't know I I'm I'm

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hoping that a re-roll of the dice a shake-up something like that might give

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them a chance it's going to hurt a lot in the short term because that money is

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just going to disappear yeah but hold I don't know hopefully something can

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happen out of this that that works out I think the real question Luke is what

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have you been doing to help Mozilla it's not like there aren't things you

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could do I using it personally it's not enough we put I mean why don't you make

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it why don't we put on the lab site that it works best in Firefox why don't you

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make it so that flow plane can only be accessed with Firefox since they're all

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using Firefox anyway that is a problem that is a good call we probably should

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have done that yeah I can I can look towards doing that in the future do you

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have your phone in your pocket is it me I think it's this iPhone I think the

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is a lot worse in terms of interference because I've kept my phone over

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there for since before you brought the I wasn't causing an issue unless it got

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damaged and now for those missing context we've done some polls and the

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Floatplane the full plane audience swears up and down that they are using

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Firefox but we have actual like site access yeah statistics and they don't

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yeah people have pointed out that you can like spoof it so that it reports that

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you're using Chrome for like weird compatibility recent things I sincerely

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doubt that that percentage of people are spoofing it sincerely definitely not a

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thing all right yeah more remediations not selling Android but restricting it

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from favoring Google search now because this is focused on search and not you

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know web mail or web documents or whatever the case may be it sounds like

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they could still have default Google apps but I do wonder if this if this all

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goes through this all went through if Google would look at a lot of their

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current practices and go hey how do we avoid any more of this restricting

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Android from favoring Google search that is like what would that look like so

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instead of that default Google search bar like I would be prompted when I suspect

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on phone setup you or maybe with an update now one time and then set up in

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the future you would be prompted to choose your default search and there

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would probably be like you know you're and it would have to be randomized five

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and then other and it would probably yeah the list would probably have to be

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randomized wow and it would involve undoing Google's two billion dollar

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investment in AI startup and thropic that would be a really big bummer for

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anthropic wait really why no no no like what I'm saying not that it would be a

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I understand why I'd be a big bummer for them I'm wondering why they have to do

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this I I don't know a ton about anthropic and that and that investment

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but what I would guess is that anthropic is super super focused on search but

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I'm just guessing I'm completely guessing Google has responded calling the

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DOJ's proposal staggering wildly overbroad and part of a radical

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interventionist agenda that would harm Americans and break a range of Google

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products in an example of how excruciatingly horrible this would be

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Google said that the proposal and this is a quote would literally require us to

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install not one but two separate choice screens before you could access Google

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search on a pixel phone you bought and the design of these choice screens would

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have to be approved by the technical committee and that's just a small part

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of it we wish we were making this up is that an actual quote that's from Google's

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blog are they for real right now this is oh my goodness guys yeah a device set

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up wizard is a thing which you already have by the way this is actually very

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interesting because this is such an early wancho we have a bunch of EU viewers

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and apparently this is like already a thing for them that makes sense

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Drek Korrex said in the EU you already get to choose the search engine on

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Android technically they said as far as I know at the end of that this is

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hilarious yeah people are saying yes we have that already yeah so like what do

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you even mean you already did it for them and it's worth noting that in the

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EU Android actually maintains better market share than it does in the US so

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clearly clearly that ain't the variable that is affecting that so annoying

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what an annoying thing to say I hope they lose just because of that can you

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can you imagine sitting at Google and thinking that typing that is a good idea

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like how did that at a certain point you wonder if like the person who wrote it

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is like yeah let's let's torpedo ourselves a little bit because like that's

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the worst I don't know we wish we were making this up are you kidding me hold

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on you know what no my my source thing oh my god because that is that poking fun

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at yourself this is literally literally at blog I didn't even believe it like I

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trust I trust Riley okay and and he had the citation in there so I saw the

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citation I went I don't need to click through to this but I was like no no the

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people deserve for me to actually click through to the Google blog yeah and see

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that this is literally we wish we were making this up I wish I was making this

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up we already did this in the EU so really we don't have to do any of this

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at all but we wish we were making this up I I've had multiple conversations with

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multiple people good people strong people the best people tear streaming down

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their eyes the window list of people about the like the slow death of just

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Google in general like they suck like if we're if we're looking at the

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landscape of like modern you know web Silicon Valley style companies what have

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they done in the last long time other than just like kill stuff and not innovate

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let me think what have they done okay does it count as a thing they've done

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if they ultimately killed it no okay that doesn't count no okay hold on

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thinking Google fiber well wait no hold on and that's old wait no

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okay hold on there's got to be something apparently the EU has had the

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choice screen on Android since 2019 actually okay YouTube YouTube has done

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some pretty cool stuff YouTube is the only thing I've been able to think of

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that has had positive innovation and it has also had really junky negative

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innovation yes this is true this is true I would say yeah I was gonna say that

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finding stuff to buy through Google and if we're talking about monopolies is

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better like like the interface is better but all the sponsored stuff that gunks

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up the results is not better so I take that one back Android is better than

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ever but like nothing crazy has changed in like it's better than ever though it's

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like sure well I'm looking to find stuff you don't get to be like fair yeah

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fair enough fair enough okay Google workspace has stood still for a super

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long time they don't even have their own realistic chat I know they have chats

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which they swear to me that they use internally and I don't believe it oh oh

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Google Maps Google maybe they do but they also use other things I bet maybe

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other people have had access to this for a long time but my Android Auto

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interface for Google Maps finally allows me to report problems like if I see

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police I can report it in Google Maps I mean they acquired ways what 10 years

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ago so it's it's understandable it took them a little while to port that

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functionality over someone says they've had that a map for a long time I don't

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man it it did not show up into my interface until like a couple weeks ago

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which was the reason that I exclusively use ways even though Waze's search is

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terrible like my own badminton center doesn't show up in Waze search and I

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don't I don't I don't know why because it's on Google Maps like you they're

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literally owned by the same company I thought that's the point of being a

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monopoly like the actual point but anyway on basically everything they've

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stood still on on they have some people the company that are obviously still

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doing good work like they have their their AI researchers wrote the white

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paper on like what is breaking the world right now but then they have like one

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of the worst ones in Gemini because they didn't capitalize on it because they

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don't seem to be able to do anything and the reason why I got onto this topic

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is because of the way we wish we were making this up almost feels like they're

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they're pointing at themselves because the and the design of those choice

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screens would have to be approved by the technical committee that part is like

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okay yeah because we can't trust you to do it on your own based on your own

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website and documentation you already did it so like what are you talking about

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yeah that looks fine yeah it does it's completely fine and they literally

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already did it yeah that looks like let's just do that what are you talking

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about make things again like Google was such a sick company I really liked

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Google I really like Google workspace I can't tell what's different in Google

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workspace I can tell you cool stuff I can tell you cool stuff they've done

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okay they have those like hardware decoding cards for video hardware video

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decoding cards those are cool I don't like a while ago but they like are like

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working on them and stuff yeah so they they that's not really for users though

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we get the results of it yeah we look I I I have said before and I maintain that

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YouTube is one of the wonders of the world it is like I think if we when we

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if we didn't have YouTube anymore we would look back on the time that we

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would have that we had YouTube and we would go the internet would be different

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good Lord like the the the knowledge the library sharing of human experience I

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really do feel like it would be a loss yeah maybe not quite on that level

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because of how little sort of written knowledge there was in the world at that

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time right but I think that given even more time and given even more more

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build-up of collective knowledge I think we're in there but I think you could

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make the argument I just didn't want to make such a strong statement but no I

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think I think it would be I think it would be like that losing something of

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that magnitude at this time one of the big things with YouTube is when you'll

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you'll find videos on there that are like from 13 years ago and it's it's like

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potato you know but it's it's when people were archiving footage from like

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pre-internet era so it's not only is it from 13 years ago it's actually from

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way before that yep and there's literally nowhere else to access it because on

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YouTube any yahoo it's kind of a joke because it's pretty good yeah I can

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upload anything they want and it just is there and it's just documented that is

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that is I'm not gonna call it a public service because they're clearly a for

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profit company and they and they profit from it with your data and your

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attention to ads and your premium subscriptions and all of those things but

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it to lose it would be catastrophic I think at this point yeah but yeah they

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I when's the last time they launched a Gmail you know like when they launched

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Gmail they launched it on April Fool's almost as like a joke and then just took

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over the world like they don't do stuff like that anymore Google workspace

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again hasn't moved at all Gemini I'd say yeah someone's phone is oh Gemini I

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say Docs is notably behind it's actually better than it used to be I as someone

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who uses it every day it's a lot better than it was five years ago I'll tell you

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that it's definitely better what's changed in the last five years specifically I

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don't know but just it's the interface is just always like getting a little

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better it's always getting a little better there's still things that are probably

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one of those things where I can't imagine it but if I saw a version for five

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years ago it's probably changed subtly over time still things that are super

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obnoxious like once a document is is pressing return is two spaces it's like

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damn near impossible to get it to stop doing that for some reason like you can

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go in you can tell it single spacing you can tell it whatever you want but if

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you like paste something in that has that inherent formatting in it already for

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some reason it just like breaks it forever as far as I can tell them I'm sure there is a way around it but it is not intuitive to a word user a long time

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word user someone in full-point chat Tim said come on you know more than anyone

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that small back-end changes are so huge and you don't realize them unless you

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look at them side-by-side yeah I know that what I what I but this is from a

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consumer standpoint yeah give me something as a consumer back-end changes

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smooth out your infrastructure and make managing it easier and they might even

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improve responsiveness here and there but for the most part every time that I've

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seen Google tell me that a back-end change is supposed to make my user

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experience better it has made it literally worse I'm sure it happens a

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bunch of times without them really communicating to you this is totally a

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thing it's it's super annoying beyond being on a team when you have to work on

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stuff that user the most egregious example of this is the analytics dashboard

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which used to be extremely snappy except for the occasional time that it

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wasn't and now okay of course it's behaving well right now yeah now it is

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for the most part a piece of garbage it's actually doing really well right now

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but it had it I I could talk for a long time about how much I hate the new

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analytics dashboard and it's not even new it's like seven years old at this

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point but I I can't stand it I can't think of anything new that I use for

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from from Google and most of the old things that I use from Google are

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becoming harder and harder to justify over time due to price increases from

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you know getting my YouTube music from my premium subscription that just went

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up by 60% because they're trying to shoehorn in AI features that are really

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expensive dude so they're cranking the price up just give me Google play music

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back yeah I was actually better like the thing that I did the one feature I

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cared about the reason that I spent a bunch of money on Sonos speakers and the

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reason that I got a Google play music subscription was because from my music

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app I could just click cast like like just the cast button you know like like

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the Chromecast cast button I could just click the cast button and then pick my

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speakers and the integration was perfect and flawless and I never had to touch

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that piece of Sonos app I like and now that it's like so bad that like their

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CEO had to apologize I feel so validated in that sort of that decision I made to

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completely avoid it also oh my god I don't know when this happened but again

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back to Android Auto for a second here I can't search in my in my YouTube music

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app like I have to like I can voice search not in the app like I can be like

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I don't know play Justin Bieber or whatever right like I can do that but if

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I'm if I'm like if I'm like using the interface there's no search and the

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browse is super hamstrung and what's what's really wild is there's no start

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radio button in it anymore and that is it literally like how I use my music app

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is like I find a song that I'm kind of in the mood for and then I click start

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radio yeah because I just want to I kind of want to listen to stuff like that

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type of song yeah and that that start radio button is no longer there in the

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player for me and I see a lot of people when I was talking about maps saying like

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oh yeah mine has this mine has that it's all over the place though the fact that

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you I'm not saying you don't have it and you guys might even have a start radio

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button I have no idea but I don't and it is very annoying very annoying okay no

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one is actually yeah no one's actually disagreeing with this one so I guess

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yeah it's apparently still still bad but yeah just just get bury the hatchet

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with Sonos and just make it work again please I don't know I just I've heard a

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lot of stuff about how and who knows what's true and what isn't true but I've

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heard a lot of stuff about how things work inside of Google apparently the

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best way to get promoted was for a long time was to like champion a project to

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launch yeah then you would just get promoted after it launched so it that

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project would like lose its leader stagnate and then get closed down so it

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was just this like farm for junk for a long time so for at the beginning they

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were making new good things rapidly and then they saw new good things coming out

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rapidly is a good thing for the business so let's incentivize that promote

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people that do that but then the people inside that just wanted promotions and

429
00:40:38,140 --> 00:40:43,340
money were abandoning all their projects so they were making new good things and

430
00:40:43,340 --> 00:40:48,500
getting rid of them rapidly for many many years and then now they just don't

431
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:54,060
seem to really do anything cubes the gamer has one RCS yeah and that wasn't

432
00:40:54,180 --> 00:40:59,540
just a matter of like developing it that was that was like launching and

433
00:40:59,540 --> 00:41:04,980
maintaining for an extended period of time an extremely ultimately effective

434
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:10,060
campaign to get attention from regulators I was saying a big part of the

435
00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:15,140
lobbying almost more than anything else I think RCS is a good example it's

436
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:20,260
crazy to me that there is this few examples for a company of 200,000

437
00:41:20,260 --> 00:41:26,820
people this is true this is fair Google meet is pretty good these days

438
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:34,260
I'm just like I'm barely matters when people are actively moving away from

439
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:43,180
Google workspace because if you want to be on workspace and you want an actually good chat client you're using workspace in slack and workspace in slack

440
00:41:43,180 --> 00:41:49,340
as a combination is quite expensive in my opinion slack is significantly better

441
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:56,980
than teams workspace itself though has stagnated so hard that office 365 seems

442
00:41:56,980 --> 00:42:01,780
to have mostly caught up to them yeah if not at parody yeah biggest problem with

443
00:42:01,780 --> 00:42:06,980
office 365 is that teams is just such a dumpster fire it's better than it used

444
00:42:06,980 --> 00:42:13,460
to be I still so bad I have I have messages to you can't to group chat

445
00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:19,620
not existed before yeah I know why well if you attach something to a chat

446
00:42:19,620 --> 00:42:25,460
message you have to wait for it to upload before you click send yeah why in

447
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:29,620
slack if I attach something and click send it just sends once it attaches yeah

448
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:35,060
duh like there's there's so many things that are just holy crap if you're in a

449
00:42:35,060 --> 00:42:39,820
big group chat it highlights the box for whoever's talking except for you so you

450
00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:46,580
can't tell if your mic's working why just why there's so much stuff that's

451
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:54,340
just so confusing we need to get a couch on the wanshow set so he can but so he can lie on the couch and teams but teams therapy

452
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:59,980
teams is going to keep improving because something that Microsoft is quite good

453
00:42:59,980 --> 00:43:05,860
at is this just never-ending March yep they just keep moving usually a little

454
00:43:05,860 --> 00:43:10,460
bit slower yeah and sometimes backwards but they just keep moving so

455
00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:14,580
eventually teams will be good enough you know there's only so much you can do

456
00:43:14,580 --> 00:43:21,380
with the chat client you're seeing the type of innovation that slack has been bringing lately it's like I think we're at feature parody with MSN messenger

457
00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:25,220
now so the the only way to go is upward from here we're getting there but it's

458
00:43:25,220 --> 00:43:31,740
just it's gonna be really hard for IT teams to justify the cost of having an

459
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:35,780
expensive Google workspace subscription especially when they're trying to not

460
00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:39,380
give you discounts anymore unless you also buy Gemini which nobody wants and

461
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:45,020
then also a very premium very expensive Slack subscription when you could get all

462
00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:49,940
of that under a 365 license or a lark license or something like that at a

463
00:43:49,940 --> 00:43:55,300
massively decreased price with more features VDK a makes a very important

464
00:43:55,300 --> 00:44:01,340
point here until we have a nudge feature parody with MSN messenger will not have

465
00:44:01,340 --> 00:44:05,660
been achieved you are you are right yeah thank you for that and I'm sorry I have

466
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:10,860
misspoke and I have besmirched the good name of MSN messenger and I will not do

467
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:16,060
it again I miss miss I will not do it again okay what else we got here Google

468
00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:20,500
claims the DOJ should be focusing on revising search distribution agreements

469
00:44:20,500 --> 00:44:26,780
instead okay this is interesting Google isn't the only one who thinks this is a

470
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:31,300
bad idea some analysts worry about its feasibility and unintended consequences

471
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:34,980
for example it could potentially harm schools that use Chromebooks and disrupt

472
00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:38,220
the browser market which relies heavily on Google's open source Chromium project

473
00:44:38,220 --> 00:44:44,260
those are both good things some analysts realize that something might happen if

474
00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:50,380
this happens and like this is one of those things where it feels a little bit

475
00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:55,780
like the housing bubble in Vancouver where the my backyard the bigger the

476
00:44:55,780 --> 00:45:00,900
bubble gets the more hand-wringing there is over doing anything about this

477
00:45:00,900 --> 00:45:06,060
because of the economic harm and it's like right you hand-ring the harder the

478
00:45:06,060 --> 00:45:09,980
economic harm gets but like if we done everything properly we wouldn't be here

479
00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:16,220
in the first place and the further we allow it to expand the bigger the

480
00:45:16,220 --> 00:45:20,940
explosion when it pops yeah like yes there's gonna be collateral damage if all

481
00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:24,780
of this goes through there will absolutely be unintended consequences for

482
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:31,820
but the longer we wait the worse it gets the more the more atrophied every

483
00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:36,180
other potential competitor will become because of Google's dominant position

484
00:45:36,180 --> 00:45:41,220
why you shouldn't allow this to happen in the first place ideally yeah speaking

485
00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:45,600
of the Vancouver housing bubble it's it's kind of starting to look a little

486
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,940
shaky it's looking a little a little sad you know it's it's making a noise like

487
00:45:51,980 --> 00:45:57,380
sales are erupting though yeah sales are sales are going up which will maybe

488
00:45:57,380 --> 00:46:02,740
prop things up a little bit but also interest rates apparently apparently

489
00:46:02,740 --> 00:46:09,020
the Trudeau government is doing like like a buy your vote program oh yeah you

490
00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:16,220
saw that too I'm happy you had the exact same reaction I did and I saw elections

491
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:19,660
coming soon what if we what if we lower taxes and give you money how about that

492
00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:24,820
what if we got rid of first past the post you ever think of that mr. JT yeah

493
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:33,260
that thing you said you'd do yeah remember did you ever think of that because I'll tell you what I'll make you a deal mr. Trudeau right now if you're

494
00:46:33,260 --> 00:46:39,860
watching this I will wholeheartedly emphatically endorse you for the next

495
00:46:39,860 --> 00:46:45,980
election if you get first past the post gotten rid of if you do that thing you

496
00:46:45,980 --> 00:46:50,100
said you're gonna before the election you follow through on that first term

497
00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:58,140
election promise I will I will I will say hey for all of his other warts at

498
00:46:58,140 --> 00:47:02,700
least the ones that I can see and the ones I can't see don't show me your warts

499
00:47:02,700 --> 00:47:07,420
hey he's got that cool fall down the stairs trick and he got rid of first

500
00:47:07,420 --> 00:47:13,260
past the post that's enough for me all right because we need election reform

501
00:47:13,340 --> 00:47:20,540
yes we do we need it desperately so I'm there you go I'm in that's all you got

502
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:23,660
to do what is first past the post I would actually recommend that you watch a

503
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:31,260
CGP gray video on that but effectively with first past the post you are going

504
00:47:31,260 --> 00:47:35,820
to end up being forced into what is effectively a two-party system yes if

505
00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:40,140
you don't have first past the post you then have ranked choice ideally so you

506
00:47:40,140 --> 00:47:44,340
rank your choices and if one of your parties that you voted for as your

507
00:47:44,340 --> 00:47:48,820
first choice is clearly definitely going to lose they just dump that and your

508
00:47:48,820 --> 00:47:52,380
vote goes towards the second choice and so on and so forth until there's a

509
00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:57,860
winner it also it also makes it so that like let's say you had a super

510
00:47:57,860 --> 00:48:05,980
polarized electorate hypothetical scenario if if you had if you had your

511
00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:12,500
your rank chose rank choice voting card and it had like the the the super

512
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:17,620
right-wing party here or you had a super right-wing party kind of a centrist

513
00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:24,340
party and a super left-wing party if you were to say well okay I am very aligned

514
00:48:24,340 --> 00:48:28,620
with the right-wing party and very misaligned with the left-wing party but

515
00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:33,620
I guess these center guys would kind of be okay and if everybody basically did

516
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:38,140
that but like flip-flopped that center party would actually have some

517
00:48:38,140 --> 00:48:43,300
representation in the formed government yeah because if everyone kind of agreed

518
00:48:43,300 --> 00:48:47,980
that these guys are okay even though one of the other two hyper polarized

519
00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:55,780
parties was their first choice those those centrist sort of mindsets would be

520
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:59,220
much more representative is pretty much what it would come down to first pass the

521
00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:04,580
post drives people to extremes because it ends up making in my opinion most

522
00:49:04,580 --> 00:49:10,380
people vote on an anything but them type basis instead of for what they actually

523
00:49:10,380 --> 00:49:16,260
want and ranked choice voting allows you to vote for what you actually want which

524
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:22,060
is like enormously massive difference or or or more like it allows you to it

525
00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:28,100
allows you to specify what would be uncompletely unacceptable and what

526
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:33,100
would be more acceptable and what would be preferred and then you can you can

527
00:49:33,100 --> 00:49:37,780
account for that it often results in something that's a little bit more

528
00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:44,620
average not necessarily the best or better but it'll it'll help lean towards

529
00:49:44,620 --> 00:49:54,180
something that's a little bit more average instead of more extreme I don't think there's any like voting system that involves everyone and is perfect I

530
00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:57,820
don't think there's any voting system that's perfect really no but first pass

531
00:49:57,820 --> 00:50:03,540
the post is like definitely one of the worst yes there are worse ones yeah but

532
00:50:03,540 --> 00:50:09,060
but it's one of the worst but first pass the post is really good for the

533
00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:14,980
incumbent it's really good for those parties that are that currently hold

534
00:50:14,980 --> 00:50:18,620
all the power so that's why it's really hard to get any kind of reform passed

535
00:50:18,620 --> 00:50:22,900
because they are highly disincentivized to do it it's really it's really

536
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:26,780
frustrating why is it called first pass the post as a shortcut it's called first

537
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:31,980
pass the post because whoever passes the requisite number of votes to win that

538
00:50:31,980 --> 00:50:38,860
race just takes all the marbles instead of accounting for for anything else

539
00:50:38,860 --> 00:50:44,620
digital be 11 says Veritasium has a good video on voting systems and that makes

540
00:50:44,620 --> 00:50:49,580
perfect sense I'm sure Derek does so why don't you guys go check that out yeah

541
00:50:50,260 --> 00:50:57,260
moving on did we finish the Google topic um discussion question blog post

542
00:50:57,260 --> 00:51:01,940
multi-cube and social thing Google has told Android authority that Google's

543
00:51:01,940 --> 00:51:05,020
multi-year plan to migrate from OS fully over to Android which lines up with a

544
00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:08,940
Google blog post from June 2024 swapping parts of Chroma yeah I think we're I

545
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:13,900
think we're pretty much done I think we've talked about this enough okay so what do you want us to do Dan announcements oh you want us to do

546
00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:21,980
announcements oh good lord there's a handful of announcements today okay from

547
00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:26,660
Tuesday November 26th to Monday December 2nd we will be running some

548
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:30,460
incredible deals on some of our most popular products at LTT Store but what

549
00:51:30,460 --> 00:51:36,220
we're really excited for are these bundles that we're putting together with the help of some of our partners if you've already seen our Black Friday

550
00:51:36,220 --> 00:51:43,260
Cyber Monday email sign up page then there's something new on it make sure

551
00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:47,980
you sign up so you don't miss out on the deals also Floatplane subscribers oh

552
00:51:47,980 --> 00:51:52,780
this is is this because of like the new like better integration between float

553
00:51:52,780 --> 00:51:57,100
plane and LTT Store like what is this quite similar to what we had before it's

554
00:51:57,100 --> 00:52:00,500
just a different way of using it oh okay Floatplane subscribers we'll be

555
00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:07,060
getting one day of early access on Monday November 25th let's go now my

556
00:52:07,060 --> 00:52:15,060
understanding is that early access is to the week long deals but it is possible

557
00:52:15,060 --> 00:52:21,460
that there are messages on my phone that will further clarify what is going on

558
00:52:21,460 --> 00:52:31,500
okay what no I do not have any further messages on my phone so I think that

559
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:35,780
would be the week long deals I don't think that that will necessarily include

560
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:41,900
some of the very limited quantity flash deals but I do not know for sure the way

561
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:48,140
to know for sure is to be signed up for the newsletter so that is at LMG.GG

562
00:52:48,140 --> 00:52:53,180
slash BFCM Dan do you want to throw that in all the chats to make sure that

563
00:52:53,180 --> 00:52:58,380
everybody gets that can do now it's time for us to play a game we're sorry we're

564
00:52:58,380 --> 00:53:01,580
playing some people are saying that they don't see the email sign up form it's

565
00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:04,820
probably because you have something blocking it nice

566
00:53:04,820 --> 00:53:12,820
that makes sense modern internet is a thing okay Luke let's see if you can

567
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:18,620
guess what these items are sorry I don't have an item here Dan do you know

568
00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:23,300
anything about this is it these what are these no I've been wondering about what

569
00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:30,740
everything on the day there oh dance like these items are what items um but I

570
00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:33,940
think you had a good feeling about the item in the middle of last week I don't

571
00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:39,380
know what the items are is it in this I think you had a good feeling what they

572
00:53:39,380 --> 00:53:46,340
were the bag I guess so Riley had mentioned this I'm I'm so sorry Riley

573
00:53:46,340 --> 00:53:50,420
okay cool why don't we come back to this guessing game plan for the products on

574
00:53:50,420 --> 00:54:00,020
set which will be I don't know here anyway so the early access thing subscribe

575
00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:06,380
at LMG.gg slash fp black friday to subscribe to Floatplane people are

576
00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:10,180
saying it's the bundles at the bottom of the black Friday page oh the question mark

577
00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:18,020
things oh I was also guess what they are thank you audience okay there we go the

578
00:54:18,260 --> 00:54:22,540
big freaking bundles okay how specific am I supposed to get I think you're

579
00:54:22,540 --> 00:54:29,180
supposed to get very specific how the heck you really

580
00:54:29,180 --> 00:54:40,780
peek at you guess that can you just say ditto for product among I don't know the

581
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:46,500
the first one based on the what looks like the wrist rest attachment and the

582
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:50,980
fact that it doesn't have no you're supposed to guess the middle one the

583
00:54:50,980 --> 00:54:54,660
middle one that's a stream deck okay it's apparently in the human organ

584
00:54:54,660 --> 00:54:58,700
transplant bag that is on the set whoops that's my thing

585
00:54:58,700 --> 00:55:07,020
why Luke I don't know what's going on right now any more than you do sure yeah

586
00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:12,340
cool oh it's not it's a wave XLR it's from the same brand oh wow you got it

587
00:55:12,340 --> 00:55:17,020
wrong I'm sure they use the same housing wow Luke you're zero for one wait I

588
00:55:17,020 --> 00:55:21,420
don't think I'm gonna get any of these then check it wait what no hold on a

589
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:26,980
second what what's going on what I don't think that's right because the doc

590
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:32,500
says the doc says Elgato stream deck mark 2 is supposed to be in the organ

591
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:41,220
transplant bag what is happening right now

592
00:55:43,660 --> 00:55:47,460
you can't do this any more

593
00:55:52,300 --> 00:55:56,500
okay from the shadow you literally can't tell the difference between the two

594
00:55:56,500 --> 00:56:01,500
okay I have one on my desk it looks like what is the silhouette on the right

595
00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:08,020
it's a keyboard mon I don't know I'm my my guess on the right Luke that's the

596
00:56:08,020 --> 00:56:14,340
left headphone mon these look like Sennheiser's they look like Jamaican

597
00:56:14,340 --> 00:56:22,860
headphones Pokemon sure who's that Pokemon yeah sure yeah anyways do any

598
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:29,740
Pokemon have mon at the end of the game Squirtle mon anyways they look like

599
00:56:29,740 --> 00:56:32,020
smoke mon

600
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:42,340
that's a good reference the cucumber song thing about how it's good for you or

601
00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:46,460
whatever yeah yeah I don't know why I remember that

602
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:58,020
they look like they look like a sanitizer headphones I'm guessing based

603
00:56:58,020 --> 00:57:04,700
on the band that they're like all right check under your table right now it was

604
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:13,220
wrong last time I don't know dude I don't know they're not 600s they're HD 560

605
00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:19,620
open back headphones nice both of these items are gonna be included in bundles

606
00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:23,220
that are on sale throughout the entire event or until we run out which is

607
00:57:23,220 --> 00:57:27,460
probably more likely but there's a third item on the left good gravy this is

608
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:34,260
taking forever Corsair K65 Corsair K65 did you look at the dock no okay it

609
00:57:34,260 --> 00:57:38,260
looks like it has a tent it doesn't look like the LTT backpack that is here

610
00:57:38,260 --> 00:57:52,260
between us Luke wow nope it's the K70 K70 core TKL with Corsair I thought it

611
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:59,460
said milks and I was like really MLX red smooth linear switches a 120 dollar

612
00:57:59,460 --> 00:58:04,140
keyboard that will be included in a bundle at no extra cost along with one

613
00:58:04,140 --> 00:58:08,060
more thing but this bundle is going to be dropping on a random day throughout the

614
00:58:08,060 --> 00:58:15,540
week so I'd really recommend you sign up for email notifications at LMG GT slash BFCM to have the best chance at securing one so I was five switches off

615
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:20,260
yeah yeah good right brand though you can kind of tell from the silhouette

616
00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:24,340
that's a Corsair keyboard yeah okay so we made our way through that eventually

617
00:58:24,340 --> 00:58:31,220
yeah also for those for the announcement left hand for the

618
00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:36,820
announcement right hand okay so Linus camp but hold on I'm gonna figure this

619
00:58:36,980 --> 00:58:41,740
our collaborative wrist rest with Delta hub is back in stock and this time the

620
00:58:41,740 --> 00:58:45,860
left hand variants are available too quickly during the first run and this

621
00:58:45,860 --> 00:58:49,420
time you can get early access to the Black Friday sale you can get 15% off by

622
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:53,500
going through our link in the video description and finally oh this is an

623
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:59,380
announcement but it's nothing to do with the store OVH Cloud Summit 2024 why is

624
00:58:59,380 --> 00:59:04,060
it that Luke has a go bag with him right now not because the world has ended

625
00:59:04,340 --> 00:59:12,900
yet but coming up on November 28th Luke will be live in excuse me live

626
00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:18,460
apparee hosting this year's OVH Cloud Summit live event yes there will be

627
00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:23,300
great discussions around cloud computing AI machine learning and more and it'll

628
00:59:23,300 --> 00:59:27,460
be hosted on their twitch and X links which we will have in the video

629
00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:31,020
description where you guys can find out more that is actually super cool I said

630
00:59:31,020 --> 00:59:37,100
15% 15 should genuinely that should be pretty fun I've seen the lineup of people

631
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:40,660
that I'll be interviewing I'm actually genuinely so are you like a media

632
00:59:40,660 --> 00:59:45,740
personality again like what what do you even I guess who who are you I don't know

633
00:59:45,740 --> 00:59:50,700
what exactly is it that you do not sure to be honest okay stuff yeah ever comes

634
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:56,660
up prominent guy they should just ask for that to be your little like tag that

635
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:05,740
thing yeah you're like you're a renaissance man podcaster development

636
01:00:05,740 --> 01:00:12,100
team lead lab thing yeah bird enthusiast I don't know there's all there's all

637
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:19,820
kinds of like infrastructure enjoyer historically great lover chicken

638
01:00:19,820 --> 01:00:24,500
specifically you love chicken yes he just really loves it chicken's very

639
01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:30,940
effective that's what he loves about it yeah it's the most effective bird yep

640
01:00:30,940 --> 01:00:37,940
100% hit rate on chicken why the chicken crossed the road to get away from Luke

641
01:00:38,660 --> 01:00:43,260
you have no idea how many chickens have sacrificed themselves for my mediocre

642
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:51,020
physique that's a stolen joke but anyways I think it's actually gonna be really

643
01:00:51,060 --> 01:00:55,900
fun I'm excited for that okay tune in cool what what else are we even what are

644
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:59,260
we supposed to be talking about today Dan can you please get this show back on

645
01:00:59,260 --> 01:01:07,620
the rails I've been trying are you still are you done with the announcement I don't know am I I'll read the doc for you then let's see yeah looks about right

646
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:11,860
then let's do some merch message okay sure merch messages so you head on the

647
01:01:11,860 --> 01:01:16,060
store you add something to your car to box pops up you leave a merch message we

648
01:01:16,060 --> 01:01:20,700
think it's better than super chats or twitch bits because hey if we get to your

649
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:25,580
message great or Dan can pop it up down here or reply to it or forward it to

650
01:01:25,580 --> 01:01:28,660
someone internally to get you an answer well you know we're gonna do our best

651
01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:33,220
to acknowledge your message but if we don't then hey well there's always you

652
01:01:33,220 --> 01:01:37,340
know getting some high quality merchandise in the mail yeah all right

653
01:01:37,340 --> 01:01:44,180
cool so anyway merch messages hit me show us how it works Dan sure let's see

654
01:01:44,180 --> 01:01:48,220
your first is from Zachary how much is Google to blame for people getting

655
01:01:48,220 --> 01:01:51,980
scammed Facebook and Instagram don't have customer support but if you Google

656
01:01:51,980 --> 01:02:01,100
it a bunch of scam results appear should customer support be mandatory so I

657
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:04,740
think there's a more of an issue with like Facebook not having customer support

658
01:02:04,740 --> 01:02:11,420
incredible amount of free products that would instantly cease to exist oh man

659
01:02:11,420 --> 01:02:17,380
yeah so okay so basically what you're saying is that Google is returning search

660
01:02:17,420 --> 01:02:22,460
results that are invalid and that are scams when people are trying to contact

661
01:02:22,460 --> 01:02:29,620
Facebook and Instagram support okay so so step number one is yes a customer or

662
01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:35,220
help option of some sort should absolutely be mandatory for any business

663
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:40,820
and especially for someone that operates on the order that Facebook does like if

664
01:02:40,820 --> 01:02:44,740
we can afford to have customer support Facebook can afford to have customer

665
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:49,620
support so any free service has to have customer support well dude nothing's free

666
01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:55,580
it's not free so there's that Facebook you're absolutely paying for you pay in

667
01:02:55,580 --> 01:02:59,740
your data and if it wasn't profitable they wouldn't be doing it if that became

668
01:02:59,740 --> 01:03:03,820
a lot genuinely a lot of services would instantly shut down if they had to have

669
01:03:03,820 --> 01:03:07,500
customer support yeah well hold on a second because I'm not saying every

670
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:14,060
service like if there's some some like back-end project or something that we

671
01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:18,700
have implementation for on our website or something like that I think if you

672
01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:22,740
are consumer facing maybe maybe I should call it consumer support then if you are

673
01:03:22,740 --> 01:03:28,060
end user facing give me an example of someone who shouldn't have to have end

674
01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:33,620
user support for their product straw poll straw poll is straw poll even a company

675
01:03:34,580 --> 01:03:42,420
I don't know and like realistically pull that off top man okay hold on a

676
01:03:42,420 --> 01:03:46,660
second you do they have support watch them have support hold on a second what

677
01:03:46,660 --> 01:03:52,900
the what the devil is contact them we have pricing type form and why do they

678
01:03:52,900 --> 01:04:00,540
have straw pool straw straw straw straw easiest pull creator ever that only

679
01:04:00,580 --> 01:04:05,180
okay well apparently there's competition in the create a quick create a quick

680
01:04:05,180 --> 01:04:12,380
pull space also hold on a second they have support they totally have support

681
01:04:12,380 --> 01:04:18,300
just confirmed it online contact us support email so they have a they have a

682
01:04:18,300 --> 01:04:23,060
pricing structure now though so I did I wasn't aware try again sir I don't know

683
01:04:23,060 --> 01:04:32,540
give me an example something that shouldn't have support everything should have support because how else are you gonna get customer feedback literally if

684
01:04:32,540 --> 01:04:37,900
we didn't have LTT Store support how would we ever improve yeah but that's a

685
01:04:37,900 --> 01:04:42,940
store that's like a very different situation okay fine any if we didn't

686
01:04:42,940 --> 01:04:47,820
have support how would we improve Floatplane is a paid to access service

687
01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:52,220
everything is paid though everything's paid you pay with your attention looking

688
01:04:52,220 --> 01:04:55,540
at ads you pay with your personal information you pay with your credit

689
01:04:55,540 --> 01:05:03,700
card you pay for everything everything's paid so I not there's no free lunch yeah

690
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:10,540
I can't think of any examples right now small Linux distros Linux support for

691
01:05:10,540 --> 01:05:15,100
Linux distros I think there are some like support forums with that count I

692
01:05:15,100 --> 01:05:21,740
think that I'm count DAC overflow um you know what no I well see here's my

693
01:05:21,740 --> 01:05:26,020
problem because I think in the case of something like a like a Linux distro I

694
01:05:26,020 --> 01:05:29,820
actually would say that yeah I think that I think that counts I think that's

695
01:05:29,820 --> 01:05:34,700
valid right if it's a community created community supported products then I

696
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:38,660
think it can be yeah then it can be community supported community created

697
01:05:38,660 --> 01:05:42,980
can be community supported but the fact that Microsoft for example has that I

698
01:05:42,980 --> 01:05:46,460
forget what it's called like Microsoft answers or like what's it called give me

699
01:05:46,460 --> 01:05:50,340
a second I'll get there so the fact that Microsoft relies on community

700
01:05:50,380 --> 01:05:55,180
contributors to answer supporting queries for freaking Windows yes ridiculous

701
01:05:55,180 --> 01:06:00,180
is actually comical and actually very annoying to be honest like actually

702
01:06:00,180 --> 01:06:04,620
comical because it basically just gives them a shield to put in front of

703
01:06:04,620 --> 01:06:09,060
themselves to not have to fix things that are problems if they were if they

704
01:06:09,060 --> 01:06:13,620
were actually accountable if they had to pay if they had to pay billable hours to

705
01:06:13,620 --> 01:06:18,900
employees or contractors to sit and explain to people why freakin search

706
01:06:18,940 --> 01:06:24,540
doesn't work if that was actually on their books we might get a different

707
01:06:24,540 --> 01:06:28,500
response from them about it maybe they might actually fix it or it would just

708
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:34,180
be canned responses because eventually eventually like someone would look at it

709
01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:38,900
and go hmm it might actually be cheaper to just develop a fix to this they

710
01:06:38,900 --> 01:06:42,820
would just script a canned response everybody and not actually turn it AI

711
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:47,620
but yeah what about this what about it that's a that's a forum where support

712
01:06:50,100 --> 01:06:53,780
you hold on no no no we have we have we have you can contact an

713
01:06:53,780 --> 01:06:57,300
admin or moderator we literally have that I'm gonna find it I'm gonna find it

714
01:06:57,300 --> 01:07:03,860
smart guy it's not official support though so well hold on staff okay line is tech

715
01:07:05,220 --> 01:07:10,500
and I'm not logged in but you can literally send me a message but that's not support

716
01:07:10,500 --> 01:07:16,740
no it's not but hold on hold on hold on okay by the way don't bother because I

717
01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:22,420
don't reply to them anymore but um no no I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure there's a

718
01:07:22,420 --> 01:07:27,460
I'm pretty sure there's stuff hold on I'm gonna find it hasn't found it yet forum support

719
01:07:27,460 --> 01:07:31,620
we'll find it rich there we go right there we totally have support now I knew we had

720
01:07:31,620 --> 01:07:36,260
support smart guy we a hundred percent you know why we have that support though because

721
01:07:36,260 --> 01:07:46,180
you should have support no for a GDPR forget me requests sort of actually but it's because we

722
01:07:46,180 --> 01:07:51,620
we did sales through the forum okay but we would need it anyway and we would totally have it anyway

723
01:07:53,460 --> 01:08:01,700
no I I'm not you know what I'm gonna die on this hill every service that is customer facing

724
01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:07,940
consumer facing and anyone who pays you in any way whether it's with their blood or their

725
01:08:09,460 --> 01:08:14,980
look at all the DNA friggin collection companies man 23 amie's implosion is terrifying if you're

726
01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:19,460
not terrified of that you should be terrified of that even if you never sent your genetic

727
01:08:19,460 --> 01:08:26,660
information to them if anyone even kind of related to you did you could be like that whole thing

728
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:30,580
sucks and I'm super angry about it still I'm probably screwed and just don't know you're

729
01:08:30,580 --> 01:08:36,340
actually screwed and do know yeah what was I gonna say would you would you accept some form of

730
01:08:36,340 --> 01:08:42,100
threshold of like revenue for the company or something like that like there's a lot of laws

731
01:08:42,100 --> 01:08:46,340
like flow planes protected by I don't know out of these where if you're if you're below a certain

732
01:08:46,340 --> 01:08:52,500
amount of revenue certain laws don't take place yet I think as long as we also account for well we

733
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:58,180
have like very little revenue but we do have a casual like nine billion dollars in seed funding

734
01:08:58,180 --> 01:09:04,580
like I think I think basically once once a certain amount of money is flowing in some way

735
01:09:04,580 --> 01:09:09,940
I'm done with that you should support the product so once you either have a certain amount of revenue

736
01:09:09,940 --> 01:09:16,500
or have raised a certain amount of dollars I'd be completely fine with that I just think I think

737
01:09:16,500 --> 01:09:24,020
this has there's a lot of these types of laws that I see come in that to a certain degree seem

738
01:09:24,020 --> 01:09:32,260
designed to benefit big players and like some some random little forum or some random little

739
01:09:32,260 --> 01:09:37,780
thing here or there that like you know maybe they do make money off of it I would they probably

740
01:09:37,780 --> 01:09:43,540
actually do have team boo suggests that another threshold could be users and I think that's valid

741
01:09:43,540 --> 01:09:51,220
that's an interesting one there's a contact is there actually a support though wow this website

742
01:09:51,220 --> 01:09:59,860
is rough I just went to paint dot net oh yeah good old paint dot net the email is not for technical

743
01:09:59,860 --> 01:10:05,060
support or troubleshooting there's a forum linked below there's an example yep there's just a support

744
01:10:05,060 --> 01:10:11,860
forum please ask our forum but isn't isn't paint dot net like open source there's a donate button

745
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:20,900
yeah but that's uh again you said any site or service no what I said is that it if it is community

746
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:26,260
created then it can be community supported so I said the forum is valid for that okay okay

747
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:30,500
I don't remember that bit but I believe you yeah I was probably thinking about something else oh okay

748
01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:38,180
chicken probably I haven't eaten today so maybe maybe um yeah I don't know I think if there was

749
01:10:38,180 --> 01:10:44,500
some amount of yeah either a user count or a revenue count or a freeware freeware not open

750
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:49,300
source sorry sorry and and yes this is a really good point vng supernova says open source doesn't

751
01:10:49,300 --> 01:10:55,940
mean community created um that's also very true that is very true often means limited amount of

752
01:10:55,940 --> 01:11:01,620
contributors because uh because I don't know either there often isn't that many contributors or it's

753
01:11:01,620 --> 01:11:07,860
people that just want credit for job applications uh hex dot says no chance uh with elon as part of

754
01:11:07,860 --> 01:11:12,580
the next use to administration doesn't tesla not even have pr anymore they don't have pr but what

755
01:11:12,580 --> 01:11:17,460
they do have is customer support they actually they do have support if you are an individual

756
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:22,100
end user you can 100 contact tesla but whatever issue you're having with your model whatever

757
01:11:23,060 --> 01:11:29,300
so let's just let you know look I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff that he's done especially over

758
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:36,340
the last few years there seems to be kind of this weird kind of turn that he's taken but let's let's

759
01:11:36,340 --> 01:11:47,860
not uh let's not make things up right um yeah mi gu says elon is their pr department for better or

760
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for worse that is a true statement uh let's maybe move on to yeah I've got to get out of here in like

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oh okay oh neat yeah this is different from what i've seen before so you kind of go like this

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very cool is that one of ours uh oh yeah look we've inventoried it that might be for mother

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vault please don't drop that one oh okay although if it was in the packaging it wouldn't matter

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right so what you're saying is that i should drop it but i should just put it back in here first

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right Dan yeah that's probably from one of the v devs's lives so if we lose that drive we'll lose

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the entirety of the mother vault what really no what we like to live dangerous no there's no way

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that's true stop it re sobering takes eight days uh we wouldn't we wouldn't do that yeah okay

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Dan but i bet i'm sure you could anyway so many levels why would that have been done

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good so uh go for it i'm also told that they actually sent us that hard drive to oh okay they

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sent the hard drive okay hey thanks oh so that's just like legitimately exactly how it was packaged

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because yeah that's how it was sent it that makes sense and then we owned it which destroyed the

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entire bit but okay neat okay um i want to talk about this the topic is y'all don't seem to want

829
01:18:19,060 --> 01:18:26,980
actual tech tips yeah i uh i saw this did you did you did you check out the video i checked out the

830
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video um there was also if i remember correctly there was actually a reddit thread talking about how

831
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good parts of the video were even though the person recognized i i think it was about this video i

832
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don't remember i'm i'm i didn't know this was gonna be a topic in the doc so i didn't prep for this um

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how good parts of the video were even though they're usually just interested in the entertainment

834
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parts of the video they saw how it was like connected to real world things and like wow this

835
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is really cool and i was like yeah so we did a video this week that has changed titles a couple

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times because it's performing trying to make it work terribly and basically it was it was me and

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elijah and i got to give some credit to ploof who was actually the one who did the facebook

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marketplace dumpster diving before uh the project got passed to elijah to get it across the finish

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line um and but right now it's called i built an insane surround sound setup for under two hundred

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841
01:19:26,180 --> 01:19:31,460
less than the price of the the most popular sound bar and i don't know if the boast tv speaker is the

842
01:19:31,460 --> 01:19:37,460
most popular sound bar today but it was the last time we did a why is everybody buying this uh this

843
01:19:37,460 --> 01:19:42,500
sound bar it was it was the most popular sound bar on i believe amazon was the platform that we were

844
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:51,620
using for that series at that time and the amount of criticism for this video slash the extremely

845
01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:57,540
low performance of this video has been a little demoralizing for me to be perfectly honest with

846
01:19:57,540 --> 01:20:03,140
you i've seen a lot of people that are kind of dunking on it for being you know another another

847
01:20:03,140 --> 01:20:08,980
facebook marketplace video um i've seen a fair number of people dunking on it because we're

848
01:20:08,980 --> 01:20:14,180
comparing against a new sound bar instead of comparing against a second hand sound bar so they

849
01:20:14,180 --> 01:20:22,340
see it as kind of like an unfair fight um i've seen quite a few people say that um you know the

850
01:20:22,340 --> 01:20:28,660
odds of them being able to find the exact parts that we're using are basically zero therefore

851
01:20:28,660 --> 01:20:37,860
this is not applicable to anybody and i gotta say guys i i don't know i i don't know i don't know how

852
01:20:37,860 --> 01:20:42,260
to deal i don't know how to deal with that and if the video was performing great like if it was

853
01:20:42,260 --> 01:20:47,940
getting a ton of views um then it would be fine but i guess what i'm trying to say is like i'm

854
01:20:47,940 --> 01:20:53,860
looking at this going like real tech tips might not be sustainable like if this if people are

855
01:20:54,580 --> 01:21:00,580
what did i do what can i do differently i guess is what i'm asking because like to your like what

856
01:21:00,580 --> 01:21:05,780
you said is is exactly right like that's that's not the point the point is not finding the exact

857
01:21:05,780 --> 01:21:11,140
av receiver that we did yeah the point is the journey did did you watch the video by any chance

858
01:21:11,220 --> 01:21:14,980
and it's fine if you didn't wasn't this one i watched a different one so basically

859
01:21:14,980 --> 01:21:21,220
what we what we did was we we got a few different options we started land center audio one got it

860
01:21:21,220 --> 01:21:26,740
we started with an old home theater in the box um so it was it was a number of years old and it was

861
01:21:26,740 --> 01:21:31,380
probably around 500 bucks when it was new but it was like 40 bucks today which realistically for those

862
01:21:31,380 --> 01:21:40,740
kind of low quality semi-proprietary um surround solutions probably more like it um they tend to

863
01:21:40,740 --> 01:21:45,380
be a little bit overpriced at msrp but if you can get them on clearance they can actually be a

864
01:21:45,380 --> 01:21:51,300
pretty great deal um so we started with one of those and showed that even for $40 on like a

865
01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:55,620
marketplace site like craigslist or facebook marketplace yeah we could absolutely obliterate

866
01:21:55,620 --> 01:22:02,580
this thing we we were unflinching in our acknowledgement of the the inconvenience and and

867
01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:07,940
the wiring mess um that was another thing man i saw people like defending soundbar super hard for

868
01:22:07,940 --> 01:22:16,500
the ease of use and i'm like guys we we acknowledged that so directly that i i just um

869
01:22:18,740 --> 01:22:23,220
i i just i don't know uh i don't i don't know how i don't know how we can acknowledge it more

870
01:22:23,780 --> 01:22:28,420
we we stepped it up by upgrading our left and rights so that you know particularly for

871
01:22:28,420 --> 01:22:34,100
watching anything with music in it which is like all content we could get a bit better of a of a

872
01:22:34,100 --> 01:22:39,940
soundtrack experience uh we upgraded our amplifier or maybe we upgraded the amplifier before we changed

873
01:22:39,940 --> 01:22:45,940
this be whatever we but we got a cheap avr um and with the intention not of using it for video

874
01:22:45,940 --> 01:22:51,060
switching because you can't use an older one for video switching if you want to run like uh you

875
01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:56,660
know a modern 4k display or whatever the case may be so we got an old amp and old amps like

876
01:22:57,460 --> 01:23:03,060
they they're they're still great amplifiers if you buy something that was decent 10 years ago

877
01:23:03,060 --> 01:23:08,820
15 years ago you can still get a really nice amplifier um and then you just don't run your

878
01:23:08,820 --> 01:23:12,980
video through it which for most people is fine because your tv is probably going to have anywhere

879
01:23:12,980 --> 01:23:18,900
from two on the very very low end to four inputs anyway so you just run everything through there

880
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:25,860
and then uh we added a subwoofer and then we added some cheap towers that we got and the final

881
01:23:25,940 --> 01:23:33,140
configuration was probably around 240 dollars compared to the Bose tv speaker which is 250

882
01:23:33,140 --> 01:23:39,300
dollars um and our our point was just and and there were so many tech tips along the way i guess

883
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:44,580
is what i'm trying to get to here sort of talking about speaker impedance best practices uh talking

884
01:23:44,580 --> 01:23:51,860
about uh what you can do if you don't have eark support on your receiver so talking about optical

885
01:23:51,860 --> 01:24:00,900
connections and the and the good things about it and the limitations of it um and i uh i think

886
01:24:00,900 --> 01:24:08,340
honestly past a certain view count there just isn't really room for it um maybe i'm being too

887
01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:12,500
doomer about this i would like to think that i'm being too doomer about this but i i don't

888
01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:19,940
necessarily think i am i think a pretty good example of this of maybe michael reeves when you

889
01:24:19,940 --> 01:24:28,420
look at some of michael reeves videos if i remember correctly um his very early videos he talked more

890
01:24:28,420 --> 01:24:33,860
about the programming that was involved and showed more of it and these days it's usually like a

891
01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:42,180
comical montage where sections of the code like fly past the screen uh like it's it's it's different

892
01:24:42,180 --> 01:24:48,020
people don't actually care i know there was there was like if you think about old youtube

893
01:24:48,020 --> 01:24:55,460
there was a lot of videos that were like tutorials on how to do something and then the people that

894
01:24:55,460 --> 01:25:00,020
were making the tutorials on how to do something videos realized that no one was actually doing it

895
01:25:01,380 --> 01:25:06,820
they were just watching them for the content so they tried to push entertainment and it started

896
01:25:06,820 --> 01:25:11,380
leaving the actual tutorial space there's some really good insight in Floatplane chat um

897
01:25:12,180 --> 01:25:17,140
like some people are saying yeah i really liked it to be clear i mean 900 000 plus people watched

898
01:25:17,380 --> 01:25:22,020
and like the like this like ratio is fine like it's not like people are hating on it i'm just

899
01:25:22,020 --> 01:25:27,700
trying to figure out how to make like like someone someone here said uh where is their comment um

900
01:25:27,700 --> 01:25:33,540
maybe it was just not that great of a video um can we just move on well no no no no no no no

901
01:25:33,540 --> 01:25:37,860
the point is like i'm trying to figure out how to make this more accessible because i want people

902
01:25:37,860 --> 01:25:42,980
to save money like that's why that's why we do this in the that's why we started doing this in

903
01:25:42,980 --> 01:25:47,620
the first place right is is bringing the people tech tips and we want to do it in an entertaining

904
01:25:47,620 --> 01:25:57,700
way but but we want we want to we want to like help um so i so i'm trying to like figure this out

905
01:25:58,740 --> 01:26:03,380
why does being critical of the content uh me in the video was bad okay no no there's

906
01:26:03,380 --> 01:26:07,620
hold on there's there's some there's some really good there's some really good comments uh on it

907
01:26:07,620 --> 01:26:12,820
so some people are saying in my area marketplace especially for this kind of stuff is kind of

908
01:26:12,820 --> 01:26:16,900
terrible i sometimes have to travel a couple hours for deal on gaming computers yeah well

909
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:22,100
that that's a thing like that's a thing here too yeah and and we but we acknowledge the time

910
01:26:22,100 --> 01:26:29,220
spent in it and i think that like that mindset of like sort of bargain hunting is is what we're

911
01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:33,060
trying to get across so maybe that's something that we need to acknowledge more directly is like

912
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:37,140
hey this has a cost in time like do you think that's something that would help

913
01:26:37,780 --> 01:26:47,940
maybe um um i don't know what was that not explained uh come bets and bulls and says i found

914
01:26:47,940 --> 01:26:51,220
it a bit hard to get what the point of the video was i felt like it was a little bit all over the

915
01:26:51,220 --> 01:26:55,620
place so maybe it's something where we need a bit of a better summary or we need a couple other

916
01:26:55,620 --> 01:27:01,300
comments like that we need more like visuals to kind of drive it along uh board aga i think probably

917
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:06,580
has the best comment i've seen on it so far i bet the same video would have blown up if you'd

918
01:27:06,580 --> 01:27:13,940
done five versus fifty versus five hundred dollar home theater speaker set up and that is that is

919
01:27:13,940 --> 01:27:22,100
that is probably the best maybe we just should uh maybe we should maybe we should revisit it

920
01:27:22,100 --> 01:27:27,940
and like keep that same stuff get a five dollar option we've already got our fifty dollar option

921
01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:32,660
we upgrade our our two hundred fifty dollar option a little bit we take it to five hundred

922
01:27:32,740 --> 01:27:38,580
bucks we get a five thousand dollar option and then we like contact some we contact clips or

923
01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:44,340
something and we like borrow crazy yeah we borrow like a fifty thousand dollar option and then we

924
01:27:44,340 --> 01:27:49,860
just we do we do it again um postman says as an av professional i really enjoyed the video

925
01:27:49,860 --> 01:27:55,060
in the journey i guess maybe that's maybe that's the thing is maybe maybe the journey is too hard

926
01:27:55,060 --> 01:28:00,580
to follow along maybe like simplifying the format to like five versus fifty versus five hundred

927
01:28:01,140 --> 01:28:09,140
is is the way to go i did see a fair amount of comments on like maybe there should have been a

928
01:28:09,140 --> 01:28:14,020
better explainer at the beginning uh because i didn't understand what the what the video was about

929
01:28:14,020 --> 01:28:19,460
telesco says you called everyone out for making the worst choice you made your audience but hurt

930
01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:24,900
i'm in this tweet and don't like it that's probably a good point too like are we so then

931
01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:30,820
is part of this that people are watching tech tips just to be just to know their choice was

932
01:28:30,820 --> 01:28:38,020
validated as opposed to we've known that forever that has been true i can know something i can

933
01:28:38,020 --> 01:28:43,620
know something cognitively without fully we've legit talked about that being willing to accept

934
01:28:43,620 --> 01:28:52,820
that ncix that makes me sad though yeah i know but why aren't we allowed to say hey this thing

935
01:28:52,900 --> 01:28:59,380
that's super popular is not that great like man do you remember when probably about like nine years

936
01:28:59,380 --> 01:29:07,380
ago at h m fifties these garbage headphones like popped off in popularity because of some some

937
01:29:08,100 --> 01:29:11,620
like i don't know they just they got a lot of attention let's just say they got a lot of

938
01:29:11,620 --> 01:29:17,460
attention for a little while and you and i were both kind of sitting there going like what what

939
01:29:17,460 --> 01:29:21,780
like people buy these because they're disposable rubbish that's why they use them in the studio

940
01:29:21,780 --> 01:29:28,100
not because they're good what is happening right now um and i i do genuinely think if we had come

941
01:29:28,100 --> 01:29:33,940
out and made a video when that trend took off that was like the at h m fifties are not very good

942
01:29:33,940 --> 01:29:38,180
and people need to stop buying them we probably would have just gotten destroyed i think it's

943
01:29:38,180 --> 01:29:46,820
one of the two you either are right after or are the turn of the tide or you get slaughtered

944
01:29:46,820 --> 01:29:50,980
one of the two if you're the turn of the tide then your video is going to explode

945
01:29:50,980 --> 01:29:55,700
but if people aren't ready for it yet so you're not the turn of the tide then we'll just crap on

946
01:29:55,700 --> 01:30:00,020
you isaac v says it was hard to follow you scrambled a lot of parts and i didn't really get what was

947
01:30:00,020 --> 01:30:05,460
happening um by the way i would like a lot more technical details and what they're about okay well

948
01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:11,380
so those two things are definitely not going to work together um a ton more technical details

949
01:30:11,940 --> 01:30:16,900
is uh is going to make it a little harder to follow i can i can i can promise you that

950
01:30:16,900 --> 01:30:23,140
but i do agree that kind of like in the last scrapyard wars where we we went back we basically

951
01:30:23,140 --> 01:30:27,620
sent the edit back to the kitchen you never saw the original no i sent the edit back to the kitchen

952
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:33,780
i said look you guys take however much time you need and make sure that we have these on-screen

953
01:30:33,780 --> 01:30:39,540
visuals that make it really clear what parts we have now what we've added what we're subtracting

954
01:30:39,540 --> 01:30:45,220
who we're negotiating with and and where the money stands and even then one prominent viewer

955
01:30:45,220 --> 01:30:50,980
couldn't figure out that i was never at a negative balance so yes that's in spite of our best

956
01:30:50,980 --> 01:30:56,420
efforts in spite of our best efforts you were shifty says i totally watch reviews for things

957
01:30:56,420 --> 01:31:04,180
i've already bought and that's that sort of validates your validation seeking i do sometimes

958
01:31:04,180 --> 01:31:11,860
too but it's not necessarily it's like kind of to see where it's at if that makes sense um and

959
01:31:11,860 --> 01:31:18,260
there's there's products where like you know i'll do some research on it i'll buy it i'll try it out

960
01:31:18,260 --> 01:31:24,340
and i'm like yeah like it's it's working but you know it's not 100 and then i'll see some new

961
01:31:24,340 --> 01:31:28,980
product comes out it'll get compared against that new product and then i'll be like oh yeah okay i

962
01:31:28,980 --> 01:31:34,420
probably should have waited this isn't great like i i allow my opinion to be changed um

963
01:31:35,860 --> 01:31:40,420
or honestly i'll sometimes buy something someone will review it against something else and say

964
01:31:40,420 --> 01:31:45,060
that it's crap versus the thing that they like and i'll be like yeah i just don't agree but like

965
01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:50,500
that's fine tim says there was a bit of difficulty when you were between the two systems like you

966
01:31:50,500 --> 01:31:54,260
had the center channel from this one but the receiver from another one i had a bit of difficulty

967
01:31:54,260 --> 01:31:58,500
knowing where the value was halfway through but it all kind of came together at the end and i think

968
01:31:58,500 --> 01:32:09,140
that is probably another like gold star good comment um because i still make videos with the

969
01:32:09,780 --> 01:32:17,140
intention that people watch the whole thing i know better than that yeah yeah you almost have to

970
01:32:17,140 --> 01:32:23,700
make like multiple videos you almost yeah you need to have like the pay off pay off pay off pay off

971
01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:27,940
and it kind of it kind of kills 20 viewer video the 40 percent viewer video the 60

972
01:32:27,940 --> 01:32:33,780
percent viewer video you can never have like where's he going with this it always just has

973
01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:39,300
to be very clear and that's something that is easy for me to forget because i've always kind of hard

974
01:32:39,300 --> 01:32:46,260
to write for i imagine um yes and no i mean that that five versus 50 versus 500 format kind of flows

975
01:32:46,260 --> 01:32:53,060
yeah sure so yeah i guess you kind of have to shoehorn into a format that works for it or it

976
01:32:53,060 --> 01:32:57,700
might be more difficult to write for i suspect that's okay um sock had to be says the established

977
01:32:57,700 --> 01:33:00,980
tiers seemed to borrow stuff from the others a bit too much which made it harder to follow for

978
01:33:00,980 --> 01:33:05,860
some reason yep i think that's i think that's very fair uh in fairness to me i didn't source the

979
01:33:05,860 --> 01:33:11,780
stuff and so i didn't know exactly how it was all going to go together um so i was kind of i was

980
01:33:11,780 --> 01:33:18,820
kind of working with um with what i had but it's that's really that's really valid and i think

981
01:33:18,820 --> 01:33:25,220
that's something that i and the like the content team could have worked on ahead of time to make

982
01:33:25,220 --> 01:33:30,260
it more accessible by having like a a well understood format i think that's what it basically

983
01:33:30,260 --> 01:33:34,500
boils down to is we could have done a better job visually of showing exactly what it was we were

984
01:33:34,500 --> 01:33:39,300
doing and having a better established format wouldn't hurt i also think that some people

985
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:44,660
kind of got fixated on details that didn't matter i saw i saw some people talking about how well i

986
01:33:44,660 --> 01:33:50,500
don't even have a home theater room and it's like well no that's that's not the point we're shooting

987
01:33:50,500 --> 01:33:55,620
in here because it's really convenient um but you could do this anywhere and and i think a lot of

988
01:33:55,620 --> 01:34:06,340
people kind of missed that um oh okay yeah i'm looking into booking a ride right now lieutenant

989
01:34:06,340 --> 01:34:10,020
salty the video was important too many people have crappy soundbars and have no idea what they're

990
01:34:10,020 --> 01:34:17,220
missing yeah i mean that was why we did it i thought it was a really important video um

991
01:34:17,220 --> 01:34:23,300
mantisa says are you just focusing too much on a loud minority no because the whole point of this

992
01:34:23,300 --> 01:34:32,260
is is that last thing that i just read so many people have the wrong thing and like need to hear

993
01:34:32,260 --> 01:34:36,900
this and it might not work for everybody not everybody has the space not everybody has the

994
01:34:36,980 --> 01:34:42,900
wife acceptance factor to be able to you know put a bunch of random speakers they found on craigslist

995
01:34:42,900 --> 01:34:47,860
and in their living space right like it's not going to be applicable to everyone but i do

996
01:34:47,860 --> 01:34:54,820
think that before you make that decision you should be well informed that's it i want people

997
01:34:54,820 --> 01:34:59,780
to make informed decisions and that was why we made that video like if you're interested in tech

998
01:35:00,340 --> 01:35:07,300
like like if you're interested in tech if you don't have a tv even i think it can still be an

999
01:35:07,300 --> 01:35:11,380
interesting journey to see what someone would do to set up that type of a system yeah because

1000
01:35:11,380 --> 01:35:16,500
surely you might have friends and you want to you want to be the knowledgeable tech expert in

1001
01:35:16,500 --> 01:35:24,900
your group i assume right like i'm i think so right okay all right why don't we jump into

1002
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:27,780
our next topic traffic's looking good i can leave slightly later

1003
01:35:30,260 --> 01:35:34,340
why we weren't able to say more oh all right great let's do it let's do another

1004
01:35:34,340 --> 01:35:40,900
topic like that hooray um so a lot of people last week were upset frustrated disappointed

1005
01:35:40,900 --> 01:35:46,020
that we weren't able to say more about the channel hiatus is last week and there are two main reasons

1006
01:35:46,020 --> 01:35:52,980
number one is that it's the law um and and it's funny i ended up kind of in exchanges with a

1007
01:35:52,980 --> 01:35:58,580
couple of people where i i said that and they were like yeah but and i was like no there is no

1008
01:35:58,580 --> 01:36:05,060
yeah but yeah it is just the law about certain things it's it's completely inflexible i cannot

1009
01:36:05,060 --> 01:36:12,100
disclose literally anything about someone else's personal life including their employment status

1010
01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:17,140
i was just gonna say and and to be honest for good reason sometimes it would be nice if you could

1011
01:36:17,140 --> 01:36:23,540
but that the law should exist and that's number two because it's like the right thing to do um

1012
01:36:23,540 --> 01:36:28,980
like let's say let's say hypothetically that you were no longer at your job tomorrow whether you

1013
01:36:28,980 --> 01:36:35,620
quit or you were laid off or you were fired sort of immaterial um during your exit interview the

1014
01:36:35,620 --> 01:36:39,940
hr manager asks you hey do you mind if we talk about the circumstances on our podcast

1015
01:36:40,180 --> 01:36:50,340
you would think they lost their f***ing minds right but that is what a not insignificant

1016
01:36:50,340 --> 01:36:56,660
number of people were asking me to do to be fair about me in particular i wouldn't necessarily

1017
01:36:56,660 --> 01:37:04,100
think that but it would still be the law yes um and it doesn't matter how much anyone externally

1018
01:37:04,100 --> 01:37:10,260
feels like they're entitled to it they're not yeah they're not entitled to it 100 um i saw

1019
01:37:10,260 --> 01:37:15,380
some suggestions that we just provide information about the folks that we're parting amicably with

1020
01:37:15,380 --> 01:37:21,620
for example nope well we always try to part amicably but it's not always possible and the issue there

1021
01:37:21,620 --> 01:37:28,740
is that if we acknowledge some folks and not others it's pretty easy to do the the math um simple

1022
01:37:28,740 --> 01:37:36,020
deductive logic and then uh and then the conjecture starts right we used to talk about stuff way more

1023
01:37:36,020 --> 01:37:41,220
like we'd bring people onto the podcast on their last day or like nick van berkel for example is

1024
01:37:41,220 --> 01:37:46,580
an example uh he for example is an example yeah he he made like a like a farewell video on channel

1025
01:37:46,580 --> 01:37:52,340
super fun um but what we've realized over time is that it's not a sustainable practice because

1026
01:37:52,340 --> 01:37:58,420
as soon as there isn't a farewell video or an announcement or whatever the case may be

1027
01:37:59,780 --> 01:38:06,900
people start speculating and the and the the rumor mill spins so much faster than we can possibly

1028
01:38:06,900 --> 01:38:14,660
respond to any of it um i also saw some folks that were asking for way more detail about the business

1029
01:38:14,820 --> 01:38:22,420
decision side of things again though let's put yourself in their shoes okay luke you are no

1030
01:38:22,420 --> 01:38:27,620
longer working on a project okay and someone else who has a way louder megaphone than you

1031
01:38:27,620 --> 01:38:31,860
goes and talks about whatever it is that led for your project to be shelved or canceled or whatever

1032
01:38:31,860 --> 01:38:39,620
else do you think that do you think that would reflect on you a little bit possibly maybe yes

1033
01:38:39,620 --> 01:38:47,300
it could it could affect uh future employment potential um it it would it would be a blow to

1034
01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:53,620
morale immediately for sure i would be frustrated about that because like there's almost no way

1035
01:38:53,620 --> 01:39:00,260
that they're going to say everything and there's no way that we're gonna say

1036
01:39:00,980 --> 01:39:08,740
like we if something got canceled right almost certainly there was something that went wrong

1037
01:39:08,740 --> 01:39:15,860
with it at some point in some way uh or right so so if i were to say like hey um we're gonna talk

1038
01:39:15,860 --> 01:39:21,780
about all of the uh completely unsustainable practices at Floatplane that led for it to be

1039
01:39:21,780 --> 01:39:28,900
shelved nice you're gonna be like excuse me yeah um and and then and then right it creates this

1040
01:39:29,620 --> 01:39:34,980
like this this background drama um well you were supposed to be the business ARM

1041
01:39:35,860 --> 01:39:43,300
exactly exactly which you know is valid um also Floatplane is not unsustainable yeah the reason

1042
01:39:43,300 --> 01:39:47,780
we're using luke as an example and the reason we're using his project as an example is just

1043
01:39:47,780 --> 01:39:53,540
illustrative yeah it's to show you guys why these conversations don't take place in public and

1044
01:39:53,540 --> 01:39:59,780
shouldn't and just because we've made mistakes in the past doesn't mean that we should just

1045
01:39:59,780 --> 01:40:06,660
continue to make them in the name of like what morbid curiosity like that's not that's not a

1046
01:40:06,660 --> 01:40:12,820
good reason um so i'm really sorry to have disappointed some of you um looking at the

1047
01:40:12,820 --> 01:40:18,660
comments from last week's WAN Show quite a few members of our community were extremely upset

1048
01:40:18,660 --> 01:40:23,540
and i think that a big part of that is on me i should have explained this in more detail

1049
01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:31,380
i i do this thing sometimes where i think that stuff is sort of self-evident um and and it's

1050
01:40:31,380 --> 01:40:37,620
not because people live in all kinds of different places around the world where where laws and

1051
01:40:37,620 --> 01:40:43,780
norms are different people come from all different walks of life people have their own value systems

1052
01:40:44,420 --> 01:40:50,260
so to me this one was obvious based on all the experience that i've had doing it the other way

1053
01:40:50,260 --> 01:40:56,900
and seeing what an absolute cluster f*** it is um you guys don't have that experience so you didn't

1054
01:40:56,900 --> 01:41:05,860
know um this isn't a choice that helps i don't benefit from not offering explanations or justifications

1055
01:41:05,860 --> 01:41:10,660
for the actions of our team or our company that that that doesn't help me uh when the rumor mill

1056
01:41:10,740 --> 01:41:17,300
swirls because i can't give additional details about something i don't benefit guys um but it is a

1057
01:41:17,300 --> 01:41:23,940
choice that is designed not for my benefit not for your benefit it's designed to minimize the

1058
01:41:23,940 --> 01:41:30,340
impact on our team members both current and former don't expect this policy to be altered going forward

1059
01:41:30,340 --> 01:41:38,820
because you'd be wrong cool good chat yeah do you want to talk about uh full screen ads for

1060
01:41:38,820 --> 01:41:45,620
co-pilot plus pcs on Windows 10 so sick this is pretty cool microsoft is aggressively prompting

1061
01:41:45,620 --> 01:41:50,980
Windows 10 users to upgrade employing full screen ads that highlight Windows 11 features

1062
01:41:50,980 --> 01:41:57,940
particularly those on co-pilot plus pcs these ads coincide with the approaching end of free

1063
01:41:57,940 --> 01:42:04,660
security updates for Windows 10 in october 2025 while an extended security update or esu program

1064
01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:12,020
exists for a fee the ads predominantly push new pc purchases this aggressive marketing tactic

1065
01:42:12,020 --> 01:42:17,860
isn't new for microsoft they've used similar methods for past os upgrades sometimes just forcing

1066
01:42:17,860 --> 01:42:24,180
them on you anyways and users can still upgrade to Windows 11 directly on compatible pcs as an

1067
01:42:24,180 --> 01:42:30,340
alternative discussion question is where's the limit every mainstream non-Linux operating system

1068
01:42:30,340 --> 01:42:36,100
and even some of the Linux based ones would fall under the definition of adware at this point uh

1069
01:42:36,100 --> 01:42:43,460
yeah yeah definitely where's my iphone here hold on i haven't used macOS do they have ads baked

1070
01:42:43,460 --> 01:42:48,820
into macOS i have i have literally check this out hold on hold on hold on well i've used macOS but

1071
01:42:48,820 --> 01:42:55,380
not active give me a sec check this out i didn't notice any i have i have left them because i wanted

1072
01:42:55,460 --> 01:43:00,660
to i wanted to remember how many there were i have macOS doesn't have ads so that's not that's

1073
01:43:00,660 --> 01:43:08,020
not correct i have three macOS never prompts you to like buy iCloud are you sure uh no what i'm

1074
01:43:08,020 --> 01:43:13,540
saying okay fair enough what i'm saying is okay uh Windows has other ads well here it bakes in ads

1075
01:43:13,540 --> 01:43:19,620
from everybody it's not even just their own stuff yeah i i'm sorry but i don't i don't i don't have

1076
01:43:19,620 --> 01:43:24,500
i don't think there's i don't draw a distinction that's fair enough um okay so uh so on iOS right

1077
01:43:24,500 --> 01:43:29,220
now my apple account suggestions i have three persistent notifications in my settings app for

1078
01:43:29,220 --> 01:43:36,580
this um my iphone's not backed up okay that's valid however my second notification is your iphone can't

1079
01:43:36,580 --> 01:43:43,220
be backed up upgrade for a dollar 29 a month and then my third notification is some iCloud data

1080
01:43:43,220 --> 01:43:48,420
isn't syncing which again is related to me not having enough storage with the which they have

1081
01:43:48,420 --> 01:43:55,220
kindly offered to solve for me for money um and then i have i mean that is how that would work i have

1082
01:43:55,220 --> 01:44:02,260
three well no they could allow me to quickly leave free back up to my nas or my computer remember

1083
01:44:02,260 --> 01:44:07,380
you do that in another way remember probably back i mean maybe but i don't have i don't have an

1084
01:44:07,380 --> 01:44:12,260
ad from apple about that apple doesn't notify me that that's a possibility uh so is this in your

1085
01:44:12,260 --> 01:44:16,820
settings thing or yeah i don't know it's right it's my well no i i got notifications for them at

1086
01:44:16,820 --> 01:44:22,420
some point okay okay and then i have uh i have three notifications for services included with

1087
01:44:22,420 --> 01:44:28,580
purchase let's see what do i have i get apple tv free for three months uh i get apple news plus

1088
01:44:28,580 --> 01:44:34,260
so it's the purchase of the phone yeah but of course i'm gonna have to sign up for a subscription

1089
01:44:34,260 --> 01:44:38,980
that is going to it's a very generous three months thank you very much for after my you know

1090
01:44:38,980 --> 01:44:44,820
eleven hundred or twelve hundred dollar phone or whatever this is um but uh i'm gonna end up

1091
01:44:44,820 --> 01:44:50,020
i'm gonna end up with subscriptions at some point um yeah well people are really mad about you uh

1092
01:44:50,020 --> 01:44:57,700
i bet about you thinking that like they shouldn't offer or okay hold on hold on hold on okay guys

1093
01:44:57,700 --> 01:45:04,740
no no no i am not i am not necessarily saying that apple should be well no i think i i think

1094
01:45:04,740 --> 01:45:10,980
they should be be forced to to present me with with uh with an with an alternative option

1095
01:45:10,980 --> 01:45:15,700
no actually no i do you know what i do think that uh one person's just particularly mad because

1096
01:45:15,700 --> 01:45:20,820
apple's limit has been five gigs basically forever and they've done that intentionally knowing that

1097
01:45:20,820 --> 01:45:26,980
you're gonna have to buy yeah but they don't have to provide that no but i think the thing that's

1098
01:45:26,980 --> 01:45:32,420
i think the thing that is bad is that they they don't give me a free alternative if they're

1099
01:45:32,420 --> 01:45:38,500
gonna give you a native notification yes and not give a free alternative that's pretty annoying

1100
01:45:38,500 --> 01:45:43,300
if it's just in your settings thing and it's like hey you could do this that's not too big of a deal

1101
01:45:43,300 --> 01:45:47,780
to me personally well it's giving you notifications yeah it breaks that line especially because they

1102
01:45:47,780 --> 01:45:52,020
used to you used to be able to quickly and easily just plug a cable into your computer and back up

1103
01:45:52,020 --> 01:45:59,940
to itunes yeah yeah but no they want you to buy cloud storage now um people are saying you can

1104
01:45:59,940 --> 01:46:04,740
back up your phone over usb still so i guess the frustrating thing is just that they aren't presenting

1105
01:46:04,740 --> 01:46:11,540
that oh apparently apple's being sued over this in the uk oh that's hilarious okay so i was uh

1106
01:46:15,220 --> 01:46:20,820
yeah you can still use itunes so that's good they just don't tell you so back to what i said

1107
01:46:20,820 --> 01:46:24,740
in the beginning i think they should present you with the free option yeah cool rather than just

1108
01:46:24,740 --> 01:46:30,500
saying hey oh no oh my god your iphone's not backed up buy storage buy cloud storage from us

1109
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:35,060
mm wow good guy uk good job

1110
01:46:37,380 --> 01:46:41,860
well that's a valid reason to want usb 3 on the iphone i actually didn't really think about that

1111
01:46:41,860 --> 01:46:48,580
when we uh when we talked about the um the original implementation of USB-C on the iphone 15 family

1112
01:46:49,300 --> 01:46:55,140
i didn't think about faster backups with the pro versions that have uh i believe it's 5 gigabit per

1113
01:46:55,220 --> 01:47:01,860
second right is it five or ten i think it's five pixel pixel bugs you to buy drive storage um

1114
01:47:02,820 --> 01:47:08,100
but one kind of point that i will give to them and i don't know if iOS does this

1115
01:47:08,100 --> 01:47:15,380
is it will also suggest that you like delete old photos that it thinks are like just of garbage

1116
01:47:16,740 --> 01:47:20,900
if it's like like a parking location or something that you like it doesn't think you need anymore

1117
01:47:20,900 --> 01:47:24,500
it'll be like hey you can get rid of all this stuff or like hey you haven't opened this app in

1118
01:47:24,580 --> 01:47:28,820
like a year you should just uninstall it like it'll give you suggestions on reducing your

1119
01:47:28,820 --> 01:47:33,380
the amount of data that you have which i think is kind of neat but they do try to push you to

1120
01:47:33,380 --> 01:47:37,700
buy more kumo star in Floatplane chat made a really good point what's really ridiculous is

1121
01:47:37,700 --> 01:47:43,460
they've had time time machine on macOS for like a bazillion years and didn't ever let you do that

1122
01:47:43,460 --> 01:47:51,620
on the iphone there is absolutely no reason from like an ecosystem user experience standpoint

1123
01:47:51,620 --> 01:47:56,180
that i shouldn't be able to just arrive at home and my iphone shouldn't just wi-fi sync to my time

1124
01:47:56,180 --> 01:48:00,100
machine that i literally already have because i literally already have a mac apparently apple

1125
01:48:00,100 --> 01:48:04,420
does that too i don't know i don't use iOS i wasn't saying in contrast to apple i was just

1126
01:48:04,420 --> 01:48:08,660
saying that i do like that they do that it to be clear we started this segment with

1127
01:48:09,380 --> 01:48:14,100
every mainstream operating system yeah is functionally adware now yeah um and it's it's

1128
01:48:14,100 --> 01:48:19,460
really frustrating apparently you can wi-fi sync to itunes well why not like why not time machine

1129
01:48:22,260 --> 01:48:25,700
is there a reason to not be able to do that to my nas that supports time machine

1130
01:48:28,260 --> 01:48:29,300
i don't know man i just

1131
01:48:31,780 --> 01:48:37,380
it just it doesn't seem it doesn't seem intuitive no one's fighting that deep blue

1132
01:48:38,020 --> 01:48:41,700
deep blue says at luke why does the pixel not prompt me to add a different cloud account

1133
01:48:41,700 --> 01:48:47,220
like draw box or next plow when i don't have enough drive storage i'm not i'm not defending google

1134
01:48:47,940 --> 01:48:53,300
this isn't this isn't man you start talking about Android or iOS and people just immediately

1135
01:48:55,380 --> 01:48:59,860
this isn't a wi-fi sync to itunes versus the other is apparently not automatic

1136
01:49:01,140 --> 01:49:04,500
and archangel of death says it would be too convenient of an alternative to buying more

1137
01:49:04,500 --> 01:49:09,220
iclad yes yes that's that's the whole point that that's what we're trying to say also i don't want

1138
01:49:09,220 --> 01:49:14,180
to back up to my desktop pc because i don't want to have a raid array in my desktop pc i want to

1139
01:49:14,180 --> 01:49:19,700
back up to my nas i want to use time machine like if i was an apple user that is what i would

1140
01:49:19,700 --> 01:49:23,540
want i would want it to go to time machine that would be sick what's also super time machine is

1141
01:49:24,180 --> 01:49:28,580
cool time machine has always been cool to be honest it is so cool and it's like it's not even

1142
01:49:28,580 --> 01:49:34,420
it's one of those things that's not even like unique like snapshot based backup tools existed

1143
01:49:34,420 --> 01:49:40,900
for billion years it's good and it's integrated yeah um and the only reason for them to not build

1144
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:47,060
a good integrated thing is so that they can sell you their own storage solution their own cloud

1145
01:49:47,060 --> 01:49:54,980
storage yeah um anyway this is super cool this is the last thing that we really need to talk about

1146
01:49:54,980 --> 01:50:00,660
before you go have you seen the land party house i was wondering if you were gonna see this yes i

1147
01:50:00,660 --> 01:50:09,140
have what the heck you should like go or something i would actually love to the way pretty cool dude

1148
01:50:09,140 --> 01:50:17,220
the way that this room folds up dude it's so sick and yeah you can so so closed station to the right

1149
01:50:17,220 --> 01:50:22,500
it just looks like the wall and you can see so the the doors at the bottom support the desk like

1150
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:29,460
oh man this is so really cool incredibly thoughtful ddr panels under the floor this is so

1151
01:50:29,460 --> 01:50:36,660
using them later cool um the upstairs office we can game here too yeah and there's uh there's

1152
01:50:36,660 --> 01:50:40,980
keyboard like uh what looks like uh pull out keyboard trays or no that might just be keyboard

1153
01:50:40,980 --> 01:50:44,500
storage i'm not sure because this one's just kind of sitting here like even better than that

1154
01:50:46,020 --> 01:50:55,300
that is so cool flip up monitors that is wild oh wait yeah yeah yeah wow so that was literally

1155
01:50:55,300 --> 01:51:00,740
a keyboard you saw they just flip it up that is so cool this is just extra i hadn't looked through

1156
01:51:00,740 --> 01:51:04,420
the whole thing pre-show because i wanted to i wanted to do it live cable management

1157
01:51:04,980 --> 01:51:11,860
stealthy stealthy absolutely love it killer conduit look at this look at this they've got

1158
01:51:11,860 --> 01:51:17,860
actual like cable trays up in the ceiling just like you'd have in like a data center call rooms

1159
01:51:18,420 --> 01:51:24,900
like they're in an office look at this that's so sick look at this this is hilarious 20 identical

1160
01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:34,740
machines personal desktops door leads to the hot side oh my goodness this is so cool dude it's

1161
01:51:34,740 --> 01:51:41,220
wicked this is so cool apparently it was like a million dollars yeah uh e-gads this photo has

1162
01:51:41,220 --> 01:51:47,300
made a lot of network engineers angry oh because they're not using a patch panel response in the

1163
01:51:47,300 --> 01:51:54,980
q and a okay yeah this was a mistake i'm a software guy yeah okay sounds good got you got you

1164
01:51:55,940 --> 01:52:00,900
two gigabit per second fiber in it this is crazy look at this can you imagine like working at the

1165
01:52:00,900 --> 01:52:06,660
you know the micro center when someone comes in like hey i'll take everything yeah thank you

1166
01:52:07,300 --> 01:52:15,620
how many uh i'd like to i'd like to buy a 40 70 how many yes yeah um that was i guarantee you that

1167
01:52:15,620 --> 01:52:24,340
was funny so assembly yeah man look at this space i it's just so it's so enticing yeah

1168
01:52:25,380 --> 01:52:28,900
beautiful the house has normal parts too yeah i'd love to see it

1169
01:52:30,340 --> 01:52:36,820
dude look at this yep cat door leads into the kids bedrooms i love it i i have wanted to do this

1170
01:52:36,820 --> 01:52:41,380
since before we moved into our new place like little cat shelves and stuff on the wall i just

1171
01:52:41,380 --> 01:52:48,180
haven't gotten around to it apparently one of their parents is like um like works in architectural

1172
01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:55,060
design or something sorry cloud flare oh no no no no that oh i understand yeah and and kind of

1173
01:52:55,060 --> 01:52:59,140
helped with this and has like designed some pretty cool stuff got a couple work from home call rooms

1174
01:52:59,140 --> 01:53:05,540
clearly it does a good job cat restrooms like really man seriously though if i were to design

1175
01:53:05,540 --> 01:53:10,020
my own house from scratch i would 100 do it if you never have to look at it and smell it

1176
01:53:10,020 --> 01:53:13,700
like man cats are like the best pets ever the worst thing about them is the litter

1177
01:53:14,660 --> 01:53:23,300
dude so cool oh it's space under the stairwells dude i could totally convert one of those spaces

1178
01:53:23,300 --> 01:53:29,940
in my place to uh to a cat bathroom dude the downstairs one definitely i should do that and

1179
01:53:29,940 --> 01:53:36,260
the and the main stairwell i could totally make a little door in there and i don't know how humans

1180
01:53:36,260 --> 01:53:44,260
would access it but cats definitely could um a couple guest rooms dude this roof deck like what

1181
01:53:45,220 --> 01:53:54,980
like freaking what oh yeah amazing um yeah super super cool project i i would love to

1182
01:53:54,980 --> 01:54:00,420
come check it out i'm in i'm inviting i'm inviting myself to to go do a tour i mean honestly i think

1183
01:54:00,420 --> 01:54:05,940
they already did like a great job of doing a tour of the place but i still would love to just check

1184
01:54:05,940 --> 01:54:12,740
it out and get out over it yeah incredible someone one upped my host land center oh yeah it's a great

1185
01:54:12,740 --> 01:54:18,100
title yeah yeah it's a great title slightly better than they also they didn't one up it they like six

1186
01:54:18,100 --> 01:54:23,620
kind of smashed it yeah a little bit yeah like i didn't even think about other people in my family

1187
01:54:23,620 --> 01:54:28,740
just keeps going they're like oh you thought we had one land center yeah what about second

1188
01:54:29,700 --> 01:54:38,020
crazy i love it so sick i'm i'm i'm it's impressive to see anyone that dedicated to

1189
01:54:38,020 --> 01:54:44,180
pretty much anything yeah and because it happens to be something that i think is super cool and i'm

1190
01:54:44,180 --> 01:54:51,380
also into uh it's that much cooler yeah i think they did an amazing amazing job of their setup

1191
01:54:51,380 --> 01:54:56,420
uh do you need to go you you you're like getting pretty anxious here so that that's fine get get

1192
01:54:56,420 --> 01:55:03,140
out of here okay get out of here uh the topics what do you want to yeah i'll finish off the topics

1193
01:55:03,140 --> 01:55:06,340
and then we can do a couple merge messages that i guess it'll just be me and you then

1194
01:55:07,060 --> 01:55:13,060
let's see yep that i am there's only a couple i'm so excited for this Android will apparently

1195
01:55:13,060 --> 01:55:18,980
finally be able to instantly log you into your apps on new devices this has been a huge pain

1196
01:55:18,980 --> 01:55:26,100
point for me because i have so many like accounts and and two factors and dependencies that i basically

1197
01:55:26,180 --> 01:55:31,540
cannot use a phone until probably three or four hours after i first start setting it up

1198
01:55:31,540 --> 01:55:36,580
and it's annoying because for my job i switch phones a lot more than probably most people

1199
01:55:36,580 --> 01:55:43,140
and i have like i have like i get like anxiety when i need to switch phones google has announced

1200
01:55:43,140 --> 01:55:47,300
restore credentials which will allow apps to seamlessly log users into their accounts on

1201
01:55:47,300 --> 01:55:52,820
new Android device after user restores their apps and data from a previous device oh if they

1202
01:55:52,820 --> 01:55:56,980
can do it in a way that's like secure that's yeah i'm so that's why i started looking at this

1203
01:55:56,980 --> 01:56:02,340
weird i'm so excited i just can't hide it i think this particularly for reviewers is going to be

1204
01:56:02,340 --> 01:56:07,140
amazing the user experience should be as if they had already been using the new device they would

1205
01:56:07,140 --> 01:56:12,420
even receive notifications from apps that have not yet been opened on the new device how it works

1206
01:56:13,380 --> 01:56:17,460
signing into an app on the old device will create a restore key which is stored locally and backed

1207
01:56:18,020 --> 01:56:23,540
up to the cloud apps can opt out of cloud backup you dare the restore key is a public key compatible

1208
01:56:23,540 --> 01:56:28,340
pass key slash phyto two back ends and uses the same server side implementation as pass keys

1209
01:56:28,340 --> 01:56:31,700
when setting up the new device the user can restore data from a cloud backup or transfer

1210
01:56:31,700 --> 01:56:38,340
data locally why is google doing this is a question here i i i don't care i'm not asking that it's

1211
01:56:38,340 --> 01:56:43,380
great am i am i this is counter my rant about google early in the show not doing anything this

1212
01:56:43,380 --> 01:56:49,300
is innovation i am like this is actually pretty cool so excited about this okay my ride's gonna be

1213
01:56:49,300 --> 01:56:52,980
here in two minutes i'm gonna go according to the Android developer blog 40 percent of people in

1214
01:56:52,980 --> 01:56:57,300
the us reset or replace their smartphone every year that's a big one forget even like getting a new

1215
01:56:57,300 --> 01:57:03,380
phone the number of device manufacturers where you're like hey i'm having a problem and their

1216
01:57:03,380 --> 01:57:08,180
immediate response is to heart to reset the phone it's like do you have any idea how much

1217
01:57:08,260 --> 01:57:13,460
f***ing work homework you just gave me resetting my phone that sucks resetting your device

1218
01:57:14,660 --> 01:57:21,220
sucks huh anyway um they say that making the process of logging back into apps on a new

1219
01:57:21,220 --> 01:57:25,300
phone much faster and easier will help avoid app abandonment and user churn okay well that part

1220
01:57:25,300 --> 01:57:29,620
of it i'm not that into if it's just to like make sure i keep paying my subscriptions like a good

1221
01:57:29,620 --> 01:57:39,460
little boy but um whatever i still love it um oh hold on the Android developer blog apparently

1222
01:57:39,460 --> 01:57:44,100
the 40 percent is probably an overestimate our notes here say that's probably incorrect various

1223
01:57:44,100 --> 01:57:49,860
statistics have it more like 10 to 20 max but anyway i'm in that 10 to 20 percent and so i'm

1224
01:57:49,860 --> 01:57:55,300
extremely extremely excited about this and i i can't overstate how excited i am about it

1225
01:57:55,940 --> 01:58:01,220
our last topic which i'm less excited about is microsoft ignite 2024 there's some good stuff

1226
01:58:05,220 --> 01:58:11,380
microsoft announced the Windows resiliency initiative quick machine recovery allows it

1227
01:58:11,380 --> 01:58:16,020
admins to remotely apply fixes to pcs that can't boot so this is in response to the crowd strike

1228
01:58:16,020 --> 01:58:22,100
issue earlier this year Windows 11 enterprise now supports hot patching in public preview

1229
01:58:22,180 --> 01:58:27,380
no reboot required okay that is pretty cool administrator protection standard users can

1230
01:58:27,380 --> 01:58:33,700
temporarily gain admin privileges by authenticating with Windows hello and more and then next up we've

1231
01:58:33,700 --> 01:58:41,700
got the Windows 365 link this is a little less exciting a 350 edge pc that only serves as a client

1232
01:58:42,580 --> 01:58:49,380
to access a Windows 365 cloud pc it supports dual 4k monitors has four usb ports an Ethernet port

1233
01:58:49,380 --> 01:58:57,300
Wi-Fi 6e and bluetooth 5.3 will be available in april 2025 my only question is why does this

1234
01:58:57,300 --> 01:59:06,580
need to exist in a world where the mac mini also exists cloud powered performance the mac mini is

1235
01:59:06,580 --> 01:59:14,020
a rip and fast pc for yes more but i would say considering that it is a full fat like awesome

1236
01:59:14,020 --> 01:59:22,100
pc for that price is a lot more compelling but hey we'll see how it goes we'll see how it goes

1237
01:59:22,100 --> 01:59:28,100
microsoft also announced new ai-powered customizable co-pilot agents that are rolling out in microsoft

1238
01:59:28,100 --> 01:59:33,620
365 aka office like the facilitator agent which can take real-time notes during teams meetings

1239
01:59:33,620 --> 01:59:37,460
and chats which is in public preview now we use a third party tool for that so this is actually

1240
01:59:37,460 --> 01:59:41,940
kind of useful for us interpreter agent which provides real-time speech to speech interpretation

1241
01:59:41,940 --> 01:59:47,300
during meetings even optionally simulating the user's voice public preview in early 2025 and

1242
01:59:47,300 --> 01:59:51,380
an employee self-service agent which can answer common policy questions and facilitate tasks

1243
01:59:51,380 --> 01:59:56,900
related to hr and it okay maybe i'm maybe i'm getting more excited it was just the it was just

1244
01:59:56,900 --> 02:00:03,380
the Windows 365 link that i was like because microsoft 365 is all co-pilotified microsoft is

1245
02:00:03,380 --> 02:00:09,620
adding a little co-pilot badges to the app icons for word excel powerpoint etc and best of all

1246
02:00:09,620 --> 02:00:17,940
they're changing the microsoft 365 logo to something pretty similar to the co-pilot logo

1247
02:00:17,940 --> 02:00:33,460
but with an m 365 badge this is a terrible logo um huh oh wow it says please watch this 10-second

1248
02:00:33,460 --> 02:00:40,260
clip with audio to hear ignite attendees if the enthusiasm for this change sure you've got some

1249
02:00:40,260 --> 02:00:45,540
audio playing some mute uh something else first uh yeah i will do that give me one sec i i i would

1250
02:00:45,540 --> 02:00:52,820
imagine they're gonna sound about like what i just sounded like looking at that logo i i had not um

1251
02:00:53,380 --> 02:01:00,820
i had not seen that yet and it is not very good here we go all right 10 second clip then should

1252
02:01:00,900 --> 02:01:06,900
it work yep okay here we go icon to the new microsoft 365 co-pilot icon

1253
02:01:11,700 --> 02:01:12,340
oh boy

1254
02:01:15,380 --> 02:01:27,620
wow oh that was the shortest oh polite applause that i think i have ever heard at a keynote

1255
02:01:28,180 --> 02:01:35,620
wow uh this last part is actually super cool also rolling out now for meta quest 3 and 3s users

1256
02:01:35,620 --> 02:01:41,540
these is the ability to access a local or cloud-based Windows instance and interact with multiple

1257
02:01:41,540 --> 02:01:47,940
virtual monitors whoo that's uh that's looking pretty cool and comes at a much lower price than

1258
02:01:47,940 --> 02:01:53,780
an apple vision pro and a macbook so uh i can see people being pretty stoked on that one as well good

1259
02:01:54,500 --> 02:02:01,140
gravy was that ever savage though wow i i think i might even even as much as i don't like it i

1260
02:02:01,140 --> 02:02:07,380
think i could probably muster a little bit more fake enthusiasm than that yikes all right why don't

1261
02:02:07,380 --> 02:02:12,740
we switch over to when after dark mr Dan besser can do whoa we need to switch the wanshow to this

1262
02:02:12,740 --> 02:02:20,500
time forever our concurrence on youtube are like 15 percent 20 percent higher than usual that's

1263
02:02:20,980 --> 02:02:28,100
20 higher than usual that's higher than of very high i'm showing 16 oh never there we go

1264
02:02:28,100 --> 02:02:34,100
everybody stop watching uh yeah yeah we should do that oh man i don't want to get up early on

1265
02:02:34,100 --> 02:02:39,940
fridays though me too this sucks uh it's actually 5000 youtube is there's an error uh yeah yeah it's

1266
02:02:39,940 --> 02:02:45,220
a reporting error reporting the dashboard is broken um exactly oh crap okay you know what's

1267
02:02:45,300 --> 02:02:52,420
funny is we always did it at the later time because and i don't want to make anyone else

1268
02:02:52,420 --> 02:03:02,500
feel unappreciated but we always did it at the later time because um the australian crew was like

1269
02:03:02,500 --> 02:03:09,700
so into being able to catch wanshow and so vocal about it that we picked the afternoon on fridays

1270
02:03:09,700 --> 02:03:15,460
because it would be um not a work night for the east coast in north america so they could kind of

1271
02:03:15,460 --> 02:03:20,980
stay up and watch it and it would be uh in the morning for the australians to watch and we've

1272
02:03:20,980 --> 02:03:31,700
just kind of we just kind of um we our european audience was a lot less vocal and a lot a lot

1273
02:03:31,700 --> 02:03:39,860
smaller back then and so we have we have always been kind of aussie uh aussie accommodating and

1274
02:03:39,860 --> 02:03:44,740
maybe it's because i don't know maybe it's because i kind of think of australians as probably one of

1275
02:03:44,740 --> 02:03:51,700
the closest cultures to canada um maybe i felt like some kinship you know we're both kind of like

1276
02:03:51,700 --> 02:03:56,340
they're like sorry but with spiders yeah we're still kind of commonwealth but like you know

1277
02:03:56,980 --> 02:04:01,220
kind of f**king charles you know like i don't know we just always kind of seemed

1278
02:04:01,220 --> 02:04:04,340
we always kind of seemed on the same page about things but um

1279
02:04:06,900 --> 02:04:12,820
yeah this is wow this is a this is a lot um this is a lot uh a lot higher viewership than

1280
02:04:12,820 --> 02:04:16,900
usual i hadn't looked at the analytical i hadn't either yeah no this is uh concerning

1281
02:04:16,900 --> 02:04:23,700
huh outlier um okay uh yeah maybe you know oh well i'm not promising anything because

1282
02:04:23,700 --> 02:04:29,860
the work week is very challenging here in a lot of ways and i'm often mentally

1283
02:04:29,860 --> 02:04:34,820
really tired like i to be clear i don't think that i work a hard manual labor job or anything

1284
02:04:34,820 --> 02:04:41,940
like that but it can be mentally very exhausting and uh early morning on my on my fridays is not

1285
02:04:41,940 --> 02:04:47,060
my favorite time to have to be like on for two to four hours now that's another thing too is

1286
02:04:47,060 --> 02:04:51,540
doing it at the end of the workday on friday means that we can just kind of like not disturb

1287
02:04:51,540 --> 02:04:56,500
anybody and we can go for as long as we need to until we're blocking like three or four sets

1288
02:04:56,500 --> 02:04:59,940
right now yeah you can't do a ShortCircuit nobody can come in the building we can't do

1289
02:04:59,940 --> 02:05:05,620
TechLinked nobody can be upstairs uh why do you keep moving yourself you're the you're my only

1290
02:05:05,620 --> 02:05:11,620
co-host right now down oh yeah i keep forgetting about that uh i should try and move the camera

1291
02:05:11,620 --> 02:05:17,540
over slightly if i can do that but it might not be a terrible idea anyway yeah so okay i didn't

1292
02:05:17,540 --> 02:05:23,060
consider that so it definitely won't be any changes anytime soon but um yeah i'm definitely

1293
02:05:23,060 --> 02:05:28,020
i'm definitely liking y'all hanging out with us that's pretty cool it's kind of fun all right

1294
02:05:28,020 --> 02:05:31,940
want to hit me with uh a handful of merch messages and then i guess we should get out of people's

1295
02:05:31,940 --> 02:05:38,260
way yeah probably uh let's see with graphics card running hotter and the 4090 already being a 60

1296
02:05:38,260 --> 02:05:43,060
millimeter thick will we eventually see tower coolers as standard would you consider janking

1297
02:05:43,060 --> 02:05:51,860
one together for a current or next gen i mean dude i i would a a few short years ago i would have

1298
02:05:51,860 --> 02:05:57,700
said no that's just a silly mod that people do and uh we're always gonna need to keep our slots open

1299
02:05:57,700 --> 02:06:05,620
for additional add-in cards and then what add-in cards do people even install anymore what are we

1300
02:06:05,620 --> 02:06:11,540
supposed to like most motherboards like they they high-end motherboards this is a funny thing it

1301
02:06:11,540 --> 02:06:16,020
used to be pisses me off so much dude remember remember when high-end motherboards had more

1302
02:06:16,020 --> 02:06:22,420
PCIe slots yeah i will pay more for extra because i need a lot of pc i card sometimes yeah now it's

1303
02:06:22,420 --> 02:06:30,020
like one yeah basic boards especially like matx matx is one that drives me absolutely bonkers

1304
02:06:30,020 --> 02:06:35,700
because the high-end ones will remove PCIe slots but they're not even full-size atx board so they

1305
02:06:35,700 --> 02:06:40,900
don't have like five or six m dot two slots on them so i'm sitting here going what did you do with

1306
02:06:40,900 --> 02:06:46,260
the lanes why am i paying extra for this if you're not putting like a plx chip on it and giving me

1307
02:06:46,260 --> 02:06:53,300
all the slots what what happened basic matx boards have all the slots what's happening here um exactly

1308
02:06:53,300 --> 02:06:59,540
and so uh yeah now that this trend of people only install GPU's in their systems because GPU's cost

1309
02:06:59,540 --> 02:07:06,180
so much we can't afford other cards just not the not the real reason they're but i don't know it might

1310
02:07:06,180 --> 02:07:12,900
be a contributor um i don't know i mean what i will say is that i wouldn't be surprised if 5090

1311
02:07:12,900 --> 02:07:19,060
coolers are about the same size as 4090 coolers even with the rumored increase in TDP and the reason

1312
02:07:19,060 --> 02:07:24,580
for that is that the rumor is that 4090 coolers were designed for a much higher TDP because

1313
02:07:24,580 --> 02:07:29,460
NVIDIA kind of rug pulled the their board partners on what the exact heat output of the card was

1314
02:07:29,460 --> 02:07:35,140
going to be so i don't think they're going to get bigger in the next generation but with that said

1315
02:07:35,140 --> 02:07:41,300
man i don't think anything's off the table anymore oh man dude how cool would it be Dan if we had uh

1316
02:07:41,300 --> 02:07:45,540
oh i guess i should look this way at you even though you're physically over there yeah sure that

1317
02:07:45,540 --> 02:07:52,980
works uh oh my goodness uh how cool would it be if we had a standard where you're kind of like the

1318
02:07:52,980 --> 02:07:59,780
old trashcan mac pro right where you've got your CPU socket and then you've got your GPU and the

1319
02:07:59,780 --> 02:08:05,220
die is on the top and you could just do like a gigantic combo cooler and then just have like

1320
02:08:05,220 --> 02:08:10,820
front to back airflow that goes right through it uh yeah i'd like that or that'd be sick like you

1321
02:08:10,820 --> 02:08:15,060
could have your CPU cooler here and then maybe another thing that kind of wraps around it yeah

1322
02:08:15,060 --> 02:08:19,780
so you can still remove them or you could move the CPU socket more to the right of the board

1323
02:08:19,780 --> 02:08:26,180
yeah uh and then you could um because you'd have such a large cooler like a GPU even though it kicks

1324
02:08:26,260 --> 02:08:31,540
out so much heat is a larger die it's easier to move the heat away from so you could cool your

1325
02:08:31,540 --> 02:08:36,500
smaller die CPU where you really need that temperature differential between the the air

1326
02:08:36,500 --> 02:08:42,420
and the and the fins um or rather and and the and the and the processor itself and then you

1327
02:08:42,420 --> 02:08:47,700
could take that semi heated air blow that through like a big a large cooler for the GPU so you could

1328
02:08:47,700 --> 02:08:52,260
you could either do them serial or you could do them uh like split like you could have the CPU on

1329
02:08:52,260 --> 02:08:55,300
the one side and the GPU on the one side and then you could just have like a tunnel that you're

1330
02:08:55,300 --> 02:08:59,620
blowing air down that kind of cools each on both sides or i think probably the most effective

1331
02:08:59,620 --> 02:09:05,620
design would be like the trash can which really did a great job of cool of removing that much

1332
02:09:05,620 --> 02:09:10,820
heat for its size and for its noise and then you would just have like heat pipes coming off the GPU

1333
02:09:10,820 --> 02:09:15,780
heat pipes coming off the CPU into this like a great big fin stack that would be freaking cool

1334
02:09:15,780 --> 02:09:22,260
and maybe we should start seeing like you know CPU chips just come as a chip when can we get

1335
02:09:22,260 --> 02:09:27,460
GPU's that do that oh it's never gonna happen i know it would be never gonna happen i think i think

1336
02:09:27,460 --> 02:09:33,940
what pisses me off mostly about the new motherboards these days is again yeah like a pc i lanes um

1337
02:09:35,220 --> 02:09:41,540
pc i gen five came out all the boards put it on it it has like a thousand pc i gen four lanes

1338
02:09:41,540 --> 02:09:49,460
what speed do uh GPU's run out Linus it's pc i gen four times eight for now for now for now

1339
02:09:49,460 --> 02:09:58,500
i i would like to see i'd like to see the desktop use the additional bandwidth of pc i gen five

1340
02:09:58,500 --> 02:10:05,780
differently i would actually rather than see a pc i e by 16 GPU slot i would like to see

1341
02:10:05,780 --> 02:10:13,780
everyone get together and kind of go hey can we all acknowledge that 16 current generation lanes

1342
02:10:13,780 --> 02:10:22,660
is utterly unnecessary and can we start putting 8x slots as our primary GPU slot and using those

1343
02:10:22,660 --> 02:10:31,460
lanes somewhere else having more slots having more i o having more more storage ports you know i i i

1344
02:10:32,100 --> 02:10:38,900
put the new consumer the pc i five came out i need the new nice big thing that's the new number

1345
02:10:39,460 --> 02:10:44,500
right well hold on there is i see pc i gen four times x you know i've got a mother board that

1346
02:10:44,500 --> 02:10:52,100
has seven pc i slots uh i know what i'm buying average consumer sees top of the line board

1347
02:10:52,100 --> 02:10:58,740
pc i gen five they know that it they don't know that the GPU's don't even run at the speeds i have

1348
02:10:58,740 --> 02:11:04,820
a justification down i have a justification for this go for it if i still had a 16x slot right

1349
02:11:04,820 --> 02:11:12,340
pc i gen five by 16 and a pc i e gen six card comes out right i could take that i could put it in

1350
02:11:12,340 --> 02:11:17,700
my gen five slot and i'd still be getting half of its total theoretical bandwidth if we move to

1351
02:11:17,700 --> 02:11:24,260
buy eight interfaces um i will be getting now and we get like a 16x card and i put it in my 8x

1352
02:11:24,260 --> 02:11:28,660
slot that's a gen old i will be getting a quarter of the theoretical bandwidth which could actually

1353
02:11:28,660 --> 02:11:35,460
impact performance another thing um a lot of the CPU and north bridge like lanes are shared

1354
02:11:35,460 --> 02:11:42,260
if i put too many NVMe drives in it disables pc i slots if i put too many SATA drives in it disables

1355
02:11:42,260 --> 02:11:48,580
pc i slots what if you just give me eight slots on the board and then we can adjust which ones are

1356
02:11:48,580 --> 02:11:52,660
active or not dude server boards like that's kind of what i'm talking about right that's basically

1357
02:11:52,660 --> 02:11:57,060
how they work now is you don't even have slots on them they just have those little um what what's

1358
02:11:57,060 --> 02:12:03,620
that mini whatever connector called uh Jake sent me the wildest looking board that was pretty i think

1359
02:12:03,620 --> 02:12:08,820
it was from asrock rack where it just had no slots on it and just the entire bottom of the

1360
02:12:08,820 --> 02:12:15,300
board was covered in those uh those pc i e riser connectors and i was like oh my gosh that's so cool

1361
02:12:15,300 --> 02:12:20,020
because then you can you just design your chassis around that and you just like carry pc i e wherever

1362
02:12:20,020 --> 02:12:26,100
you want it storage devices GPU's basically uh that would be super nice like taking the pc i standard

1363
02:12:26,100 --> 02:12:30,580
to its logical conclusion and just making everything like an head in card yeah not oculink

1364
02:12:30,580 --> 02:12:37,140
it's it's the it's the newer one i i it's it's escaping me right now um i have no idea yeah i

1365
02:12:37,140 --> 02:12:41,780
can't remember no it's not oculink oh yeah bifurcation is another huge thing i've got a quad

1366
02:12:41,780 --> 02:12:46,580
m dot two drive thing in there adding cable cost though is gonna is gonna kill the deal

1367
02:12:46,580 --> 02:12:52,820
on consumer like for servers yes but not for not for yeah but it gives manufacturers

1368
02:12:52,820 --> 02:12:58,820
the opportunity to sell more dongles yeah i mean the end of the dongles like it they'll love it

1369
02:12:58,820 --> 02:13:05,780
they'll push it for just that i think case it would really change case design that would be

1370
02:13:05,780 --> 02:13:10,020
that would be super cool if all of a sudden you could kind of like creatively mount

1371
02:13:10,660 --> 02:13:16,340
cards anywhere but looking at how little adoption we've seen for for pc i e risers like it's still

1372
02:13:16,340 --> 02:13:20,980
niche in the small form factor space or like the vertical mounts like it's still i would say

1373
02:13:21,780 --> 02:13:27,700
at most probably one percent of pc's if you factor in pre-builds probably less like i i just

1374
02:13:27,700 --> 02:13:31,940
don't think most people are going to be willing to absorb that additional that additional cost

1375
02:13:32,660 --> 02:13:38,100
probably not all right what what else we got today okay thanks for the early show now i can

1376
02:13:38,100 --> 02:13:44,180
watch it work since i work in a data center myself i love that video tour uh was there anything that

1377
02:13:44,180 --> 02:13:51,860
you learned that you want to apply to your home's pool loop uh those leak detection cords are super

1378
02:13:51,860 --> 02:13:57,540
cool like being able to know exactly where it is but but no um the the cost of implementing

1379
02:13:57,540 --> 02:14:02,500
things the way that they do them is why we didn't do it that way it's not because we like didn't

1380
02:14:02,500 --> 02:14:11,060
think of it uh it's yeah it's super cool to like see it all done right i'd say the one thing that

1381
02:14:11,140 --> 02:14:15,780
we are legitimately considering because we've had multiple power outages here at the office in

1382
02:14:15,780 --> 02:14:23,060
the last couple of weeks because of storms in the in the southwestern bc area is diesel generator

1383
02:14:23,060 --> 02:14:32,420
backups uh we're getting pretty darn tired of our power going out um but like we can't afford to

1384
02:14:32,420 --> 02:14:38,340
have you know an on-site you know fuel purifier and like so it's going to be someone's job to

1385
02:14:38,420 --> 02:14:43,460
micromanage like making sure we have non-stale diesel fuel on site all the time and i'm just

1386
02:14:43,460 --> 02:14:47,860
looking at it going we can barely keep our our snackies drawers stocked because and and that's

1387
02:14:47,860 --> 02:14:52,340
not because you know people like you know do a bad job or something it's just because like we've

1388
02:14:52,340 --> 02:15:00,580
we've got a lot going on and it's easy for it's easy for just in case we need it stuff to fall

1389
02:15:00,580 --> 02:15:05,780
by the wayside when something else is happening right so i i understand especially if you can't

1390
02:15:05,780 --> 02:15:12,180
even keep snackies in stock which are extremely visible oh yeah you know okay you know you know

1391
02:15:12,180 --> 02:15:17,620
why the snackies aren't in stock right now yeah canada post strike casco relies on them for

1392
02:15:17,620 --> 02:15:23,060
delivery so we don't have snackies right now like i think our i think our shipment is like

1393
02:15:23,060 --> 02:15:27,780
one of those limbo shipments where it started before the strike ended and then or before the

1394
02:15:27,780 --> 02:15:32,820
strike started and then didn't get completed or something i i don't know exactly why i'm

1395
02:15:32,820 --> 02:15:36,980
piecing this together someone told me that it's to do with the canada post strike and i read an

1396
02:15:36,980 --> 02:15:41,620
article about how some things are stuck in limbo so i made some assumptions i connected some dots

1397
02:15:41,620 --> 02:15:45,620
but basically it's something to do with the canada post strike what we'll call the moldies now

1398
02:15:46,420 --> 02:15:50,660
instead of snackies because it's just been in a warehouse for the last month and a half thanks

1399
02:15:50,660 --> 02:15:57,060
Dan um let's see last one i've got here for you hello gents i think my last merch message went

1400
02:15:57,060 --> 02:16:03,620
astray yes it did i'm sorry about that i own a zx spectrum uk competitor to the commodore 64

1401
02:16:03,620 --> 02:16:12,100
do you think keyboard computers could ever make a comeback love max um no the keyboard is has become

1402
02:16:12,820 --> 02:16:18,500
such a personal choice like even and i'm not even talking about the people for whom their keyboard is

1403
02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:24,260
is their their purest expression of their self you know um i'm talking about just

1404
02:16:25,220 --> 02:16:31,860
a low profile high profile numpad no numpad uh positioning of various keys uh keyboards have

1405
02:16:31,860 --> 02:16:39,780
become such a personal choice that i i feel like integrating them into a device would be a fundamental

1406
02:16:39,780 --> 02:16:46,980
error of the greatest magnitude um like even even mobile devices right like they they come with a

1407
02:16:46,980 --> 02:16:51,620
keyboard but you can absolutely switch it out for a different keyboard a different layout different

1408
02:16:51,700 --> 02:17:00,180
functionality if you want um i just i i don't i don't see us making a return to this and sure

1409
02:17:00,180 --> 02:17:04,660
yes okay you could make it modular kind of like what framework did on the framework 16

1410
02:17:04,660 --> 02:17:11,380
but again i look at what an outlier the framework 16 is as a laptop with you know a slim modular

1411
02:17:11,380 --> 02:17:20,180
keyboard um more modularity is absolutely absolutely not the direction that the industry

1412
02:17:20,180 --> 02:17:28,100
is going and i wouldn't expect that trend to reverse anytime soon yeah uh randall we don't

1413
02:17:28,100 --> 02:17:33,700
have no plans for a like a formal tool bag at this time nothing's impossible but there's nothing

1414
02:17:33,700 --> 02:17:41,540
happening at this time and i think that's it for the wancho it feels bizarre doesn't it to be done

1415
02:17:41,540 --> 02:17:49,460
wancho like yeah and then go for lunch again just what do i do i don't know i like i feel like

1416
02:17:49,460 --> 02:17:54,180
my day's over and it's time to go home like this is like like like salivation condition response

1417
02:17:54,180 --> 02:17:58,340
right now yeah i'm ready i'm gonna i'm sleepy i'm ready to go to bed yeah because like i was talking

1418
02:17:58,340 --> 02:18:04,820
to sammy about this i've had maybe three or four like single hand friday nights off in 10 years

1419
02:18:04,820 --> 02:18:08,820
not even exaggerating um so i'm like will i just go and like

1420
02:18:09,700 --> 02:18:15,620
stare at the ceiling all evening yeah because i because i take my my meds too early this morning

1421
02:18:15,620 --> 02:18:20,260
and i'm wired i told my kids i told my kids that i'm coming home at a reasonable time and they were

1422
02:18:20,260 --> 02:18:27,460
like why i was like well i'm why do you lie to us daddy yeah i know i was like oh we're doing

1423
02:18:27,460 --> 02:18:31,540
wancho in the morning they're like why i'm like because luke has to catch a flight and they're

1424
02:18:31,540 --> 02:18:36,740
like oh i'm like oh okay maybe i guess you guys have plans on friday nights i i don't blame you

1425
02:18:36,740 --> 02:18:43,700
i mean i've been absentee dad on friday nights for your entire lives but yeah sure i mean uh cool

1426
02:18:44,740 --> 02:18:49,620
have a uk snack or just leave i don't know yeah i mean our branding's all off now we can't have

1427
02:18:49,620 --> 02:18:56,260
wancho after dark when it isn't dark it's messed up man everything's messed up i didn't even push the

1428
02:18:56,260 --> 02:19:01,700
button oh yeah oh okay well let's do a special let's do a special shout out for dbrand then

1429
02:19:01,700 --> 02:19:07,220
who didn't get their uh their their banner interruptions and actually i can i can show you guys

1430
02:19:08,580 --> 02:19:13,860
i saw it on the forum oh okay well that's the ridge collaborative product hold on let's wait

1431
02:19:13,860 --> 02:19:19,060
let's refresh again and find another collaborative product hello oh our cost goes next came through

1432
02:19:19,060 --> 02:19:25,060
ups as of yesterday oh did they okay so it's fixed now then i think they've always come

1433
02:19:25,060 --> 02:19:28,660
through ups oh well why did someone tell me it was something to do with canada post then i don't

1434
02:19:28,660 --> 02:19:33,860
know blaming you i'm gonna go speak to that person okay do i have to load a new page like what's

1435
02:19:34,500 --> 02:19:43,060
what's going on here uh okay hello refresh i thought alt f5 is supposed to do like a full refresh

1436
02:19:45,540 --> 02:19:49,460
alt function f5 am i am i just completely derping here Dan

1437
02:19:49,540 --> 02:19:58,580
uh on what on alt f5 alt f5 is the thing to refresh the page right i think that's like is

1438
02:19:58,580 --> 02:20:04,740
that force refresh well i thought it was i thought is it it's just f5 alt shift f5 i don't know what

1439
02:20:04,740 --> 02:20:09,380
the force oh sorry oh yeah i thought it was all is it shift f it's shift f5 good lord for the force

1440
02:20:09,380 --> 02:20:14,260
yeah okay i haven't had a reason oh crap i haven't had a reason to force refresh a page in years and

1441
02:20:14,260 --> 02:20:21,460
years and years sorry it doesn't happen very often yeah i i don't even know if it works there's no

1442
02:20:21,460 --> 02:20:25,540
like indicator that it's actually a force refresh i don't think it's force refreshing because it's

1443
02:20:25,540 --> 02:20:32,980
loading it's loading the exact same thing even if i whether i shift you guys are sure it's not

1444
02:20:32,980 --> 02:20:39,140
alt control is it control i think sometimes there's like a shortcut that you hit the refresh icon

1445
02:20:39,140 --> 02:20:43,780
while holding down a shortcut i don't know if that works okay yeah it seems to be just

1446
02:20:45,220 --> 02:20:50,820
not okay LTT backpack available now i'm just going to keep clicking stuff until whatever the point is

1447
02:20:53,940 --> 02:20:55,700
we finally launched

1448
02:20:58,580 --> 02:21:06,180
oh uh black friday sale ends in 10 hours shop now i don't oh my god i don't care uh okay yeah circuit

1449
02:21:06,340 --> 02:21:15,380
board so cool um this apparently is gyro controlled on Android which i thought was pretty neat uh if

1450
02:21:15,380 --> 02:21:22,420
you go to um if you go to the the circuit board landing page um there's three different versions

1451
02:21:22,420 --> 02:21:31,460
we've got uh dark circuit ShortCircuit and glow circuit and uh it's going pretty good people are

1452
02:21:31,460 --> 02:21:35,780
pretty into the design so guys you can you can check that out our skin partner d brand there you

1453
02:21:35,780 --> 02:21:41,540
go all right i think that's pretty much it we'll see you guys again next week same bad time same bad

1454
02:21:41,540 --> 02:21:47,620
channel oh oh crap what what you should do is we should pull up a video well no no we got this

1455
02:21:47,620 --> 02:21:51,620
you got a column yeah i was gonna i was freaking out i don't know what's gonna happen this is uh this

1456
02:21:51,620 --> 02:21:56,820
is hilarious for the first little while before i synchronized my contacts on the iphone uh luke

1457
02:21:56,820 --> 02:22:02,100
was still in my address book as slick and so i didn't realize that i went to call him with

1458
02:22:02,100 --> 02:22:08,100
with voice in my car and i was like call luke laffernier and it's like sorry who i'm like call

1459
02:22:08,100 --> 02:22:13,940
slick and it goes through i kind of want to put him back in my address book is that

1460
02:22:14,180 --> 02:22:18,420
oh hey bye

1461
02:22:18,420 --> 02:22:31,380
all right

1462
02:22:43,940 --> 02:22:45,940
I

1463
02:22:52,500 --> 02:22:59,440
Have made a terrible mistake. I said same bad time it'll it'll be like the normal time not this time, okay