You just let me know when we're live.
We is live. We is live. How are you all doing?
How are you all doing?
Hopefully good. Well. Doing well.
Well. Not good. Well.
Good. But. Well.
No. Well good. This bit didn't work.
That's what happens when you don't plan at all what you're going to say when the
show goes live. Sorry. I'm still getting into my dashboards and stuff.
Hope you all are having a wonderful, wonderful Friday.
What am I looking for this one?
And populate. What? What just happened?
Trying to log into things here, buddy. Get it together.
All right. Good job. Linus.
Okay. Now I'm ready to push it live.
What are we? Five. Five.
Oh five. All right. Cool.
How are you? How do you float? He's doing.
About our floaters in here. Chat working. Where's my chat at?
Which evolution of Pokemon is that? You got the Machop. Machat.
Machat. Machimp. That's manky.
Oh, sorry. My bad. Get it right.
Get it right. Oh, there it is. Now it's working.
Perfect. So my career is over again, apparently.
I was reading about that on the internet. Oh yeah.
Yep. What now? I don't know.
It's just, it's over probably. Oh nice. Yeah.
That's fine. That's good. You know what?
It's kind of liberating. Yeah. Being, like being always, being always canceled is sort of like.
Synonymous with never canceled. Yeah. Yeah.
Cause if you're, if you're always canceled, then you can't really be more canceled.
I mean, you probably could. Is that a challenge?
I know. You know, we are minutes from the WAN Show.
No. Cause I could do it. Nevermind.
You guys anything? Yeah.
Like, like Mr. Burns is perfectly balanced critical illnesses.
Have you seen that episode? He's so unhealthy that like the, the wasting away and the, and the aggressive growth of
his tumors like cancel each other out and like everything's in this like delicate balance.
That's pretty funny.
Ouch. Mm. Form?
Although. Actually, I think I've finally figured it out.
Oh. I, whether the, okay, whether it was the physio that was kind of too focused on the massage
treatments for this part of the ARM or whether it was that I just like wasn't paying perfect
attention, which. Wow. Admittedly is a thing that happens with me from time to time.
It turns out that this is important up here, but the one that like, like I, that unlocked
basically being able to use my elbow again was this one down here.
So for those of you not in the know, I've had tennis elbow for like a few months now
actually and it got over the last, I don't know, three to six weeks.
It got bad enough that like I basically would have a hard time just picking something up.
Like a water bottle wouldn't even have to be full and I would have difficulty gripping
it and picking it up. It's been quite painful and it seems to have been like a repetitive strain injury from
that tournament that I played late last year and it just kind of flared up really bad.
And so finally I've gone to physio for the first time in my life because I've always
just been kind of a like, I don't know, you know, stretch it out and, you know, try to
make sure you're maintaining range of movement. It'll heal on its own eventually and that's always kind of worked for me, but I'm almost
40 now. So apparently that doesn't work. Anyway, so I've gone and I've done like some physio and stuff and they've done like some
ultrasound and some like the electric thing.
But anyway, so they were so they were showing me what to do and I don't know what happened.
But basically I didn't clue in that not only do I have to be working on the bottom of the
ARM, but I got to like go at it like super, super, super, super hard because what causes
the pain is, is not necessarily the like the micro tears in the tendon and the elbow.
Like that's a natural part of stretching, working out muscle gain, like all of that,
you're going to get these little micro tears. The problem is it's that the micro tears combined with the muscles around it pulling on it all
the time that causes the inflammation causes the flare ups and it leads to like kind of
a snowballing. That's what makes it a repetitive strain injury is you reach this sort of critical mass and
then it just kind of goes runaway train and then it's it can't heal itself anymore.
So anyway, it's it's in here and I didn't realize like how frigging hard you have to
go. And once I finally did and I managed to get it to loosen up a little bit, I was able to
clear and smash last night. So and one of those is a badminton shot, give me my ding.
Oh, they're both badminton shots.
Anyway, I'm Tynan. Tynan gave me this.
Yeah. Tynan knows his stuff as far as my understanding goes.
Oh, yeah.
Nice. Yeah. I was like, looks like it's not a not a sex thing is he's like, no, no, no, no, that
or a torture device. Yeah. Well, it's a little bit.
One of those. So you clamp it down, right?
So you grab it like that. You kind of put it on the leg and you grab it like that.
Oh, you find the spot with the ball and you just kind of, you know, like go like this
and like really like get in there. It's so painful.
A lot of it, but it's good.
It feels like counterintuitive, but a lot of recovery is pain.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No pain, no gain.
No pain, no gain. But yeah, I think intuitively you think a lot of that pain or strain as a lot of people
seem to equate with pain. I don't know.
It's just in the gym or whatever, but then yeah, recovery days can often be very uncomfortable.
So yeah, I'm feeling good. I'm not feeling good yet.
Like it's painful today, but it's not too bad and I'm very excited because I had been
either not recovering at all or getting worse in spite of resting and like trying to do
massage and trying to like, I have a heat, like a heated blanket that I rolled up into
a tube and I put elastics on and I've been like wearing it like a sleeve while I sleep.
It does like cycles. So it warms up and then it cools and then it warms up for a bit and then it cools.
Just trying to get more blood flow to it and at least now it feels like there's progress.
I mean, you know what that's like, he had a long time just feeling like there's no progress
from week to week and it's super discouraging, especially when you're doing a lot about it,
especially when you finally completed construction on a badminton center and you can't play.
Like we've done our first couple of like, like ladder nights, like competitive ladder nights
and stuff and I can't participate. I'm like, come on. Yeah.
That's super frustrating.
Yeah. This one isn't that bad because I can still do stuff, but I'm having an issue with my
right shoulder again, but instead of it being rotated, instead of it being rotator cuff,
it's like the front delt. It's here.
Very weird and it's not, it doesn't, it doesn't like seem to affect much, but when I try to
go bench press, it's painful.
It will still function, but I feel pain specifically right there and I'm like, that's probably
bad. So I'm going to try to figure out what this is before like something happens.
Jay Fife says, damn, these dudes are old. Yeah.
Slash S. Yeah. No, but you're not, you're not wrong, man.
We're, we're getting there. I definitely not young anymore. I feel that, I feel that a hundred percent.
The things used to just like auto-fix themselves and now it's like, no, not even a little bit.
Nerdy asks, is there anything left to do on the badminton center?
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, we don't, we didn't know much about, you know, how to configure a concession.
Turns out you need like two sinks and you need all this venting and you need all this stuff.
We're not even allowed to microwave a pizza pocket the way that it is now. So I think what we're going to do is we're going to put in some more showers at the back
and then on that same permit poll, we're going to make any rentals that we need to the concession
and get like, you know, bubble tea or something in there, bubble tea.
And what else is there? Luke's still whining that we don't have any of his sissy two and a half pound plates.
Two and a half pound plates. It's important to identify that they're plates.
I'm not looking for two and a half pound dumbbells.
It's the plates. Because when you do barbell stuff and you want to go up by five pounds, you need to put
two and a half on each side. You need two and a half pound plates.
You have to have them. Some of the higher plates, you can actually combine other ones to make up for it.
You can't do that with two and a half pounds. I'm just giving him a hard time because we're back, they're back ordered from our suppliers.
So we... Oh, I was going to reach out and be like, what's going on? Yeah, we've had the gym like done for a while other than the two and a half pound plates
that he says he simply cannot work out without. But they're involved with at least one workout that I do like every time.
So it's like, damn.
Dave Fife says, just go up 10 pounds, be a man.
That's just so like, oh man, I'm already almost constantly at least mildly injured.
That's just going to make it way worse. All right, let's do this thing.
At least you'd be up 10 pounds. Yeah.
Well, I wouldn't be if I just can't lift it. At least you'd have a penis.
Yeah, Luke. My God.
You're going to come back to the gym, Dan? Yeah, hopefully so.
You're trying to throw it at me? You haven't even been there like a year. It's been so long.
I think it's actually like a year. I'm really angry.
Yeah. And you don't have much once the two and a half pounds are in.
You don't have much of an excuse. Well, that's about all be able to lift if it's been that long.
All right, I'm resuming the selected. Okay.
What is up, y'all, ladies and gentlemen?
Welcome to the WAN Show. We have a terrible show lined up for you this week.
We have nothing, so it'll be a great show.
That's how it works. Yeah, I know. It only seems to work that way.
That's the law, yeah. The big topic that is enveloping the TECOSphere this week is obviously G-Force cables melting
to the melting. So we'll be talking about what's going on with RTX 5090 cables, including, I think,
someone on our team threw it in the CT scanner so we could have a look at what some folks
are talking about out there with the PCB design and the shunts and all of that.
What else we've got this week? We're, I called the guy.
I called the guy. And if you're not a regular viewer, you're going to have no idea what I'm talking about.
But if you are a regular viewer, you're going to be pretty excited.
The guy has been called. What else we got this week? Zotac copied our verified actual gamer program, which, if you're new here, is actually pretty
old at this point. Yeah, I know, right? Which is kind of weird to even think about, but still.
And Steam distributed malware?
Ooh. Sure.
It's like four people.
The show is brought to you today by Odoo, Odd Pieces, and Corsair.
And of course, by our rap partner, Dbrandt, and our chair partner, Secret Lab.
They really don't do a good job of living up to their name.
Secret Lab? You can't really be a secret. Very public, well-known lab.
If you're advertising all the time. Yeah. Yeah.
Bad job, Secret Lab. Well-marketed lab. Speaking of bad job, let's jump right into our first topic today, GeForce Cables Melting
to the Melting. Here's a bit of a recap from last time, from GeForce Cables Melting 1, the, a new hope?
I don't know. When the 4090 launched, we saw lots of reports of cables melting.
In Vidya, their story pretty much boiled down to it being user error, either people seating
the cable incorrectly or installing poorly constructed third-party cables.
Part of the issue was that to get their fancy new connector to fit in a lot of cases with
the way that it stuck out directly off the top of the card, the cable ended up pressed
against the side panel, straining the connection. Now Cablemod made some 90-degree adapters that people hoped would fix the problem, but
long story short, they didn't, and Cablemod ultimately recalled said product.
Newer 4090 models attempt to solve the issue by repositioning the 16-pin power connector.
Also, the 12-volt high-power cable design was updated to 12-volt 2x6 for 2025.
It has shorter sense pins and longer conductor terminals to help ensure that all of the power,
excuse me, all of the power carrying cables are all the way in before the sense pins will
say, hey, yeah, we've got a connection. Corsair currently has at least six blog posts about 12-volt 2x6 or 12-volt high power, which
adapter you should use and how to connect cables to your power supply.
Now I'm going to take a moment here and go off the notes provided to us and say, hey,
if something's this complicated, is the problem maybe you and not me?
Anyway, no, no, sorry, I digress.
Reports of more failures with the 4090 and adapters continue to pop up all the way into
2025. PCGamer ran an article in April last year stating that one repair shop in the LA area
saw about 200 cards and adapters with melted connectors over a one-month period, and Tom's
hardware ran an article yesterday called the dark side of gaming finding that their two-year-old
cards connector had been melting despite no obvious performance issues.
Now, it's time to fast forward to a day after yesterday, and it's time to talk about the
5090. We are now seeing more reports of cables melting.
Reddit user Ivan6953 made a post a few days ago showing melting on both ends of the connector.
Ivan claims that it was securely fastened and clicked and that he was using an older
modDIY third-party cable. ModDIY has released a statement that you should upgrade to the latest 12-volt 2x6 cables for
RTX 50 series cards. YouTuber ToroTochio released a video on February 9th claiming that the wiring burned due to
a bad connection because of wear on the 12-volt high-power connector states that the power
supply was very used. Their Bauer has tested one Founders Edition card with one Corsair cable and says that
there was uneven current distribution across each pin.
This is where things start to get a little bit complicated, and where things start to
get a little bit drama-y.
The connector is rated for 9.5 amps per power pin and one amp per signal pin.
Their Bauer saw readings over 9.5 amps, in fact in his first video he saw over 20 amps
on one wire. Then Johnny Guru, who works at Corsair and used to be the power supply-reviewing guy
back before he worked at Corsair, said that was impossible.
In their Bauer's second video, he said, I will show you what is possible and cut 4 wires
while the card was under load, measuring about 50 amps between the remaining 2 wires, demonstrating
that while that is not in fact something that you should do and is not representative of
a real-world situation, hopefully, that it can in fact run more than 9.5 amps over one
wire. He said that it still worked because the sensing pins only check to see if the sensing pins
are plugged in and if they are, the card will try to draw whatever power it's supposed to.
It doesn't check how many power pins are connected and you can see that about 12 minutes
into his video if you check for yourself. Dan, do you want to throw that in the various chats?
It's the one that's hyperlinked in our notes here.
He then plugged in a new undamaged 12-volt high power cable from Corsair and the load
was distributed evenly. So what he has kind of shown kind of validates what some others have said and that is that
this might just come down to bad cables, but what he has also shown is that there's still
a problem because you can't guarantee... One quick set.
Did you say that he cut the cables while it was under load? That's what my notes say.
People are saying that it was... Oh, sorry. He cut the 4 wires and then...
Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, no, no. Not while it was actually on.
That would be crazy. Let's back up a bit. He cut the 4 wires and then measured the remaining 2 wires with a current clamp while it was
under load. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. That's cool.
Good. So, he's demonstrated two things.
One, that the issue could very well be, you know, bad cables, not necessarily bad cards,
but also that it seems to go a little bit deeper than that because if a card that is
good can't tell that a cable is bad, well, that could be an issue, couldn't it?
So this is where the plot thickens. Roman goes on to say, as Mr. Bauer Roman, that this wasn't a problem on the 3090TI because
it had monitoring and load balancing built in to its power delivery design while 40 and
50 series cards do not. More on this from Buildzoid later.
Some others have sort of weighed in, Falcon Northwest or Adamant, they haven't seen any
issues in the systems they've been building and testing with similar equipment, but according
to Buildzoid, with the 30 series, there were 3 shunt resistors and 3 power phases similar
to how a 3 by 8 pin system would work. While with the 4090 and 5090, they only have two shunt resistors and one power phase.
So the way to kind of explain this is that the 5090 has no way of knowing or monitoring
which of the 12 volt cables that are plugged into it is actually bringing the power into
the board. They all just join on the board.
So all it knows is, hey, I'm getting power.
And you might think, okay, well a simple solution to this would be for NVIDIA to put some kind
of thermal probe on the connector side of the card, but the problem is that these are
toasty cards. You'd be getting so much heat off of the GPU and the memory and the VRMs that could potentially
tell those thermal probes, oh yeah, everything's running really hot, that they wouldn't be
able to tell if it's because the cable that's plugged right into it is on the verge of melting
or if it's just that the card runs pretty freaking hot because it's a 5090.
Yeah, I don't know, do we have our CT scanner time?
Oh, okay, hold on a second, blah, blah, blah, NVIDIA for their part, I did reach out, NVIDIA
has said, well, here's the situation, we don't, I'm paraphrasing here because this is not
like official, but they're basically like, we don't have any of these cards back yet.
We need them back so that we can do failure analysis on them, and that's fair enough.
But I am sort of worried for NVIDIA's sake here that when they get them back, what they're
going to find is that if someone plugs in a defective or poorly positioned poorly seated
cable, that they have not built the appropriate mitigations into this card and it could continue
to be a problem. They do say that very few cards have been impacted, but that doesn't mean that very
few cards will ever be impacted. Okay, oh, this is awesome, so it's CT scanner time.
We CT scanned a 3090 Founders Edition, a 4090 Founders Edition, and a 5090 Founders Edition.
Below are the scans, they will all have a bookmark in the bottom left panel called 12
will high power connections, which will show the connections to the board.
Okay, these scans are 10 out of 10, but I took bad screenshots in a Google Drive here.
You can't quite make out PCB components. All right, so I am seeing these for the first time because they've been working on this
in the lead up to WAN Show. So good luck, everybody.
Oh, these are going to take a minute to load. So here's a 3090.
Mine has maybe loaded faster. Okay, let's go over to Luke's screen.
And basically, what we're looking at is this one looks like it's split into two groups.
There should be a bookmark. A view.
Here, front view PCB, paper chamber.
This is the power connectors. Yeah, good.
Yeah, you want to flip it over?
Traces, pads. Oh, here. There we go.
No, not that one. I don't think so. Okay, go back to the 12 volt high power.
Okay, I got someone in chat saying that looks like three shunt resistors to me.
The claim from Buildzoid is that 3090 should have three.
So I guess that lines up. Okay. Okay.
All right, now let's go to the 4090. Have you opened that one already?
No. I'll click it now. Man, I love this CT scanner.
This is so cool. I'm going to preload 5090.
Okay, we're coming back to my screen.
Yeah, NEAT is definitely an understatement. It takes a hot minute to load.
Just give us a sec. Yeah, sorry guys. This is a really rough scan, but the pins are separate at least from the connectors.
What are our notes say here? That is a pretty rough scan.
Okay. There we go.
Where's our...
Okay, so this one...
Yeah, that is a much rougher scan.
Well, let's turn our attention to the 5090, because Lucas showed me this one before the
show.
Okay. So, this is the...
Oh, do you want to do mine? I have it already. Yeah, go for it.
So, here the issue is that the connections are all just tied together into a single bus.
So, what Lucas was showing me before is that basically all the 12 volt pins just go into
a single power plane, and all of the ground pins just go into a single ground plane.
So, what this means is that the board has no way of knowing which pin is carrying all
the power in. So, if one of them has a poor connection, one pin has a poor connection, then what will
happen is that pin will heat up. The more it heats up, the higher the resistance goes, the worse the situation gets.
Then you can have the connector start to melt, which obviously is not good for the contact
of the pins, and all the while, all the card will see is, I am getting power.
Not good. Eseret in the Floatplane chat says, blindness.
So, if you have common power planes, why use a connector that is prone to differential
amperage due to resistance?
Well, let me tell you, you'll have to ask NVIDIA that.
Their board partners don't appear to be doing so.
Odzoid's diagram shows that the RTX 4090 matrix and 5090 astral both actually use a different
approach that would allow it to detect if one of the pins is carrying too much amperage.
This doesn't look great.
The only defense that I can see for NVIDIA in all of this is that this power connector
is technically part of the CM5 industry standard and should be safe at power levels up to 600
watts. But here's the thing, Luke, I remember back when we transitioned to this thing with several
people. I've had this conversation several times. I believe we've also talked about it on WAN Show.
With my limited understanding of electrical engineering and electronics engineering.
What I know is that more surface area, more the better when it comes to mating surfaces
for an electrical connection.
Why was it that when NVIDIA recognized that we were moving to a point where GPUs were
going to require more and more power?
What possessed them to go for smaller little tiny pins instead of the big pins we had already?
I still don't understand that and I have yet to have anybody explain it to me.
If we moved, say, to 24 volts at the same time, sure, I'd be far less concerned.
But we didn't.
NVIDIA is the one entity other than Intel, sure, Intel as well.
NVIDIA and Intel are the two entities that can sort of just declare that we are going
to use a new connector.
They need some... We'll do that. Historically, maybe.
They are the maintainers of the ATX spec, so there is that.
Historically, then, Intel and NVIDIA to just unilaterally make a decision that we're going
to use this connector now. They could have decided on any connector.
They could have designed, with a consortium or with some input from others, they could
have designed their own connector. We could have gone with some variant of the larger older style pins that are also used
in CPU power connectors, EPS, ATX, 12 volt, all that stuff.
They could have used those same pins and receptacles and they could have added the sensing wires
that are actually a pretty cool part of the spec because as long as people don't just
jumper them to fool them, theoretically, they communicate between the power supply and the
GPU so that you don't have a mismatch where you've got a super hungry GPU and an inadequate
power supply. That's the theory behind it.
But the whole thing where the new connector was rated for more than the old connector,
to my monkey brain, I'm kind of looking at it going, why?
Yeah, why was that? Why exactly was that when you've got this obvious potential issue here?
SuperWisk says, why not just have a connector with two giant spades if it's going to be
that way on the inside? Yes.
I kind of... Yeah.
I can't claim to know. So much of this is just like, it seems obvious to me, but I don't know a lot about this.
So I'm assuming there's got to be something else going on.
Like I bought a bunch of these, RC, LiPo battery connectors.
I forget what they're called. Yeah, XT60s and XT90s.
If you're going to design the card like that, why don't we just use these?
These things are sick. Very chunky. These things are great.
And they won't... Yeah. Now, J5 says the XT60 connector can do 30 amps at 500 volts.
Yeah. Why don't we just use that? Because like, yeah, you're going to have the same issue where if it's not connected properly
or whatever, then you could... No, you won't have the same issue because you've just got two giant pins.
Giant. Just plug in just fine really. So you can't have one pin have a bad connection and then...
There's a good amount of space separation between those two. Yeah.
Why don't we just use that? Yeah. Why don't we just use that?
Yeah. Why don't we just use that? Yeah.
Okay. There. All right.
There. That's the LTT solution. We're going to move away from the old PCIe connectors.
We're going to move away from 12 volt high power. We're going to move away from...
We're going to move away from all this stuff and we're going to go to XT60s.
We're not going to have protections on it anyway, then we might as well just have a
big old... I mean, look, why don't we just go for a wall outlet?
I think it would look kind of cool. Let's just plug it straight into the wall. I mean, there was tons of memes about that.
Yeah. There was tons of them, especially if you can plug that wall outlet in on the back
of your computer. You know, when they have these bridging PCBs like they do on the dual flow through design,
you could move the plug lower in the case. Tynan says you're still in trouble, Linus, because the current into a 5090 is like 50
amps. Okay, Tynan, I will see your 50 amps and I will raise you one XT60 connector, dual
XT60 connector. It's almost like we had a solution for this before, where you just have multiple connectors
if you need more current. We could also just go to XT90.
How many amps can XT90 do? Hold on, XT... That thing is chonk.
That thing's chonk. Are they safe for... Ah!
Ah! The rated current is just 40 amps.
However, the response on ESK8 forum says I wouldn't worry about drawing more than that.
Someone else says they're spec'ed at 90 amps for the applicable RC power range, which is
generally low voltages of 11 to 24. Okay, so why don't we just go to XT90?
What about something like speak on? Have you seen a speak on connector?
You're going to have to give me the spelling. Speak on, one word.
Oh, okay, sure. I think I found it. I mean, yeah.
I'm down. They just twist lock in and click. Let's go.
And you can get professional ones. These are actually huge.
Over six dollars and 25 cents. These are enormous.
No problem. These are so big.
That'll be your 6090. Let's connect a water hose to my graphics card.
Pretty much. I just... I don't know, man.
I... NVIDIA might have some defense for this.
I don't know what it'll be, but I just don't... I just don't see how after all this drama, it just didn't seem obvious that these are
fragile little pins and we just, like, shouldn't.
And again, I'm not an engineer, but it just seems obvious, and it's one of those things
where not only does it seem obvious, because sometimes science is a funny little bit sometimes,
where something can seem very obvious to the lay person, but when you get into the actual
science of it, that seemingly obvious explanation is totally stupid, right?
But not only did this seem obvious at the time, but it has worked out that it was bad.
We have seen in the real world that we should just... Can we just stop?
Is that an option? Like maybe NVIDIA could just...
This would be a great mitigation. NVIDIA could call up all their partners tomorrow and say, hey, f*** it.
Put whatever power connectors you want on the new card designs.
Yeah. We're... We're...
We're over it. We're over it. So they can keep this with their FEs, but everybody else can move on?
Because every power supply still needs to have PCIe power connectors on it for older GPUs
and for AMD GPUs. AMD hasn't adopted the standard and neither has Intel, who maybe even is a relevant player
at this point. Maybe. So two of the three relevant players in discrete GPUs have not adopted the 12V high
power or 12V 2x6.
So it's not like the whole industry moved on and, oh my goodness, everyone who bought
a power supply in the last couple of years, it's a brick now because they're not going
to be able to plug in the RTX 6090 or whatever. No, everyone still has PCIe power connectors.
So NVIDIA just... They could call up all their partners and just say, okay, f*** it.
Forget it. Use whatever you want. We're going to do our thing or whatever because all the power supplies still support this
connector. Or better yet, we could just not.
Sorry that we were such control freaks about this. Maybe we shouldn't have been because this honestly didn't work out too good.
Speaking about calling people. I called the guy.
You called the guy. I did call the guy. So I made some notes.
I made some notes. And look, look, the guy is under no obligation to help me with any of this and it was extremely
gracious of him to give me some of his time, you know, not everything that I wouldn't hold
him to anything that he said, but he definitely gave me some valuable, valuable information.
So the first thing he told me is that this particular vessel has been for sale for he
thinks possibly much longer than 23 weeks.
That ain't a good sign. Yeah. Especially if you factor in that it supposedly got a complete refit in 2016 and was nicely
updated in 2022. That seems to suggest that very shortly after it was nicely updated, they attempted to sell
it, which either tells us that the update didn't go so good or it tells us that they
updated it to sell, which is not, I mean, you've shopped for a house before as have
I. Tell me this, riddle me this, do you want the house that got an update to prepare it
for sale? No. No.
What did you cover up? Why did you cover it up? Why did you paint it?
Yeah. What is that paint hiding? What is hiding under there?
Show me. Okay. So that isn't good.
The other challenge that he brought up to me is, okay, so he also validated that my
assumption, that part of the issue with this ship is that anyone who can afford a vessel
of this magnitude, like here, here, look, guys, just for perspective, okay?
I know 123 feet doesn't mean anything to a lot of you because you're European, you
sensible units, right? So let me put it, let me just put it in context, okay?
The size of this, of this vessel, see these, see this up here?
See these little like yellow and green things up here? These basically dots.
That's this. That's a whole like barbecue area.
This thing is freaking huge.
It is enormous. And he validated for me that my assumption that part of the issue with selling it is
that anyone who could afford the upkeep for this thing could afford a newer ship.
And he also pointed out, even though I hadn't really thought of this, that anybody looking
to charter a vessel of this size with that kind of budget, they might want something
newer too. Now, I think we could get around some of that.
If the idea was that we reno it, we like turn it into the gaming yacht.
I think that would be a pretty unique selling point and people aren't going to check if
it was built in 1990 or 2090. I don't think it'll really matter if it's got all that stuff on board.
I would care if it was built in 2090. Well, okay. Yeah, fair enough.
I would care a lot. I meant like in the future. I would charter that boat, I think.
That's fair. So the point is just that, you know, it could impact not only our ability to sell it when
we're done, but it could also impact our ability to get any revenue out of it once we've finished
our renovation. So we might end up buying this thing as a project and just completely being out that
money with absolutely nobody wanting to use it.
And I got to be honest with you guys.
Does this look like canned skin?
Do I look like I go outside, hang out on the water?
Like I'm not, I'm not really a, I'm not really a boating guy.
Right. Okay. Here's another sort of rough number that the guy gave me.
He goes upkeep on a ship this size.
They kind of say 10% of the value, but let me put it this way.
That ship is listed for about 1.6, 1.7 million US dollars and that's annually, 10% annually.
So it's listed for 1.6, 1.7 million US dollars and you'd have to have at least two to three
crew on it. And if you wanted to have like guests on board, it'd probably be more like five.
So you've got your captain. You've got an engineer whose full-time job it is is to like take care of this ship.
Keep the boat running. You have at least one more. And then for charters or whatever, you'd need a couple for, you know, serving and cleaning
and stuff like that. Right. It's practically a floating like hotel, like yeah, presidential suite.
Yeah. Like it's huge.
So I think you guys probably have figured out the problem with that math then because
10% of, you know, 1.7 million US dollars would be 170,000 US dollars.
For five staff. For five staff. Have fun.
Also, don't forget about, you know, regular cleaning of the ship itself.
I'm not talking like cleaning the room and painting and, you know, dealing with it anytime
something breaks. So 10% of the value, yeah, that's probably based more on 10% of the value like when it
was valued like it was new, you know, not like today.
So you could easily, easily be spending, you know, 30% of the value of this thing, 40%
of the value of this thing a year, depending on whether something goes wrong.
There's another big problem.
Are you, are you waiting for the part where I talk about the good stuff? I know.
I want to know what the next big problem is. Okay. All right.
I feel like there's more than one more. Yeah. The next big problem is that it is 123 feet long.
Why is that a problem? Where the hell are you going to park?
Excuse me. I mean, moor it. Uh-huh.
Right. It doesn't come with that, right? Well, it could.
It could. He said he would reach out to the guy and find the other guy and find out if mooring
is included. But what I can tell you now without naming anybody is I looked on the website of the
place where it is moored today and I'm going to change a few details just because I don't
want to like out a particular organization and their particular policies.
But in order to even qualify, to have a conversation about mooring my boat there, I would have
to have. Do you have to join the yacht club?
No fewer than four references who can vouch for me.
Wow. And I'm changing some numbers and changing some details because I don't want you guys
going and bothering any. One of the most confusing things about obscenely high society to me is how many people are
in it. Yeah. That's the weirdest thing.
Yeah. Like you drive around BC and it's like, man. That's a nice car.
What an incredibly high amount of like three to ten million dollar homes.
Three to ten million, please. Let's go have a look at.
Let's go have a look at Shaughnessy, a neighborhood in Vancouver, British Columbia.
Here we go, boys. Oh boy. Meet Shaughnessy.
In this neighborhood, three to five million dollars would buy you nothing.
I feel you should realtor.ca it. Try 30 to 50 million dollars.
30 to 50 and it's a whole like look at all of these portion of the city.
Yeah. Like, like, okay. You can actually, you can see it.
Oh, it's massive. You can see it from way out here because you got your, you got your actual like downtown
density. You're like high rises and all that. You got your like urban, you got your urban density and then you got this that basically
looks like, like fricking, what would I even compare it to?
Yeah. It looks like, like Delta. Yeah.
You know? But it's just right there. Smack in the middle.
Smack in the middle. I've never looked at this. I don't know if I've ever been to that area to be honest.
Have you driven past it? I have a relative that lives near there and when I say near there, I don't mean on one
of the big plots. I mean, like in the density parts around it, in the city.
And so just for a lull once, I was like, we should go, we should go drive through, we
should go drive through. Dude, look how many of these places have pools.
Look at the percentage of poolage here.
We're in Vancouver and as someone who owns a pool, I was some private tennis courts.
That's always a good sign. As someone who literally owns a pool, I will tell you owning a pool in Vancouver is fucking
stupid. I kind of. For the, for the, a percentage of the time that you can actually use it out of the year,
the amount of maintenance and cost is fucking stupid.
Like it's, it's actually stupid. And look at this.
Look at this neighborhood. Oh yeah. Right.
So it's not just the pool. I mean, what is, what is this?
What is this? Oh, if, if I bought this place, I would, I would, I would complete it.
We'd have the square, the circle, the triangle and the X.
I would fix that up for them real good.
What is it? Is it space or shift? I can't, I can't remember.
Space middle. I can never remember how to get to the other, to the other view on here, Ben.
But like, man, these places are freaking wild. Like if you, if you have, you know, a, a, a tennis ball court behind your house and you're
in Vancouver proper, like this land, this land right here for this tennis court is worth
millions of dollars. I was going to say that alone is worth millions for sure.
It is a millions of dollars tennis court. Sure.
Flipping wild dude. No, it's not that one.
It's the, it's the like change the camera angle one.
I can never remember. There it is. Hey.
Oh yeah. Dude. So that gives you just like density differences.
Wild. Compared to like right next to it.
Huh. Look at this. You just cross our beauties and it's like, yeah, we like our privacy.
We like all our trees. Look at this. Look at this.
Wow. Glencroft house. What else is in here?
Ah, yes. Canuck place. Actually, that's a good organization.
Sing doc monastery association. Very best, very best roof. What the, what is that?
What is very best roof? Roofing contractor.
Five stars. All right. Well, I guess they have the very best roof.
Good for them. Um, how did we get onto this conversation? Uh, you guys want to see some Shaughnessy houses?
It has something to do with the yacht. Oh yeah.
That's right. I was talking about the tech yacht. Okay.
I'm not. Oh, how many people you need to know to get your mooring? Oh yeah.
And then I pointed out that like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know,
Oh yeah. That's right. I was talking about the tech yacht.
Okay. Oh, how many people you need to know to get your mooring? Oh yeah.
And then I pointed out that like, it's crazy how many incredibly rich people there are.
That's the thing that always surprises me.
What do you mean? Okay.
Do you guys want, do you guys want to see some houses in Shaughnessy? Do they care?
Are they still into just like our overpriced real estate?
I think it's funny. I think it's really funny. All right.
Cool. Let's do it. Let's do it.
I know this is super generic, but I showed, I showed Emma recently some, some Texas mansions
that are, I would like make a lot of money selling my apartment and buying.
Oh yeah. And it was just like, what the heck?
Dude, there is not a single house for sale in Shaughnessy right now.
Do they, do they sell it in some other way? No, no, no, no people.
No, normally there's, normally there's definitely stuff in here, but this is, it's not loading
anything. Oh. No, that's not in like the rich part of Shaughnessy.
No, there's like, there's like, yeah, this is, this is nothing.
Back. That is very surprising to me.
Do I have like, do I have filters on or something? I don't think so.
You know what it is though. You know what I bet it is.
There's been, I wouldn't call it a crash yet, but there's certainly been a correction.
There's been a downturn. Yeah. There's been finally a correction in Vancouver real estate and even as someone that is significantly
invested in Vancouver real estate, I have been rooting for this for a long time because
it is not good for our society, for nobody to be able to afford somewhere to live.
It is deeply broken up here. Yeah.
It hasn't gone down enough yet, but it has changed a little.
And people who own 25, 30, 40 million dollar houses are the kind of people that aren't necessarily
under any pressure to sell when the market isn't good, when the market's not right.
So if I had to guess, I would say that nobody is selling right now in there because...
I think we've got some. Oh, we've got one. I think yours just wasn't working.
Oh, what's wrong with my realtor.ca then? I'm not sure.
Oh, here we go, boys. I've got a few. 12, 63, Balfour Avenue.
26. 26. Now, these are Canadian rubles.
So like 30 bucks, but still. So we're looking at about 17 million US dollars, 16, 17 million US dollars.
Only fairly recently though. Like last year, a year before, it would have been a lot more.
I, too, like a glass vessel on my table with a lazy Susan.
I prefer that. Look at this room.
What color would you like it? Wood.
How much wood? Yes. Okay, sure.
If they had more plant instead of one plant, I think it could work pretty well.
Oh, yes. Sorry, this one. The indoor pool.
Also has a pool, but we didn't like it outdoors. And the indoor hot tub.
Because Linus said it was f***ing stupid. So we put it indoors where we can use it all year round.
Oh, man.
Jeez. It looks like it's, you know, in the country or whatever.
But this is in the city city.
Yeah. How much land do you get for 26 million or whatever that was?
Oh, just like land land? Yeah, like what's the lot?
I don't know. It depends. Dude, I missed that.
I don't remember. Compare that to a $17 million US super mansion.
Yeah, dude. Oh, yeah.
Dude, Vancouver is... Comparing it to like...
Pretty rough. Yeah, like almost anywhere, man.
It's crazy. Okay, get this. I don't know how we're all still here.
Get this. Okay.
Yeah, you're not looking. Okay. How big do you think the lot is?
From my perceptions, it didn't, it looked like it was a tight wrap around the house.
I don't think it was a huge lot, but I could be completely wrong.
Let's say 9,000 square feet.
Oh, no, you'd be pleasantly surprised.
It's more than that? Oh, yeah. How big was the house?
The house is over 10,000 square feet.
Well, okay. That is an enormous house. So I think part of the problem of your perception of, or your ability to estimate it here is
that... That's a massive house. You know, a few of the rooms.
You're right. So you didn't really have anything for scale.
And that's an old neighborhood. Those are big trees. Right, right, right, right.
So you didn't really have, I think, a sense of the proper scale of this house.
It better be an acre. It's not an acre. Somebody says two acres.
It is not two acres. Okay. I would think it would be a stretch if it's more than 15,000 square feet.
Okay. Dan, what do you think? I'm going to probably say half an acre.
You'll say half an acre. Half an acre. All right.
Luke is the closest without going over. It's 17,900 square feet.
I'm pretty close. Yeah. How many square foot's half an acre?
About 20,000. 20 something. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a little bit less.
He said without going over. So it's not really fair. I think it's pretty close.
Yeah. Well, it's all these prices right rules. I don't make the rules.
I don't make the rules. I think it's pretty close in between. Bob Barker makes the rules.
Anyway, that's been listed for 84 days. So clearly nobody's buying it for that price, but it also is not outlandish for what you
see things priced for in that neighborhood. It's flipping. It's flipping wild, dude.
It's flipping wild. All right. What else we got going on today?
Merch messages. Yes. Merch messages.
If you guys want to interact with the show, that's the perfect way to do it. We don't really do Twitch bits or super chats.
We do merge messages. They will go to producer Dan.
We brought him back who will, oh, who is going to be getting a lot of merge messages today
because the keen item on you will have noticed this already.
We launched not one, not two, but three new products today that are similar to but legally
distinct from some inspiration that we got from a small software company, not small in
a literal sense, small in a naming sense, like almost like maybe a little bit bigger
than nano. Yeah. Yeah.
Bigger than nano, but smaller than desa.
Yeah. Real small.
Small software company. We've got what we're calling.
Hold on. Hold on. Here we go.
Here we go. What we're calling the... Do we have a name for them?
Sure. Okay. Yes.
Yes. Yes. We've got names.
Good. Okay. So we've got three new shirt designs starting with doors.
So if you look very carefully, you'll notice that these are in fact doors.
They actually have the handles on them. Of course they do because they're doors and not...
You need one on a door. Because they're doors and not Windows and how else would you open them?
Yeah. Okay. So we've got the doors design, which I am going to be modeling for the rest of the
show. We've got the brick design.
There you go. Comb that. Hold on a second.
My notes went away. Accidentally bumped them. We've got the...
Oh wait. We call this one maze. That one's called maze.
Oh yes. Yes. And we've definitely added something to it.
There's a kitty. What? Did you notice the kitty?
Oh. Amazing. Oh.
Get it? Oh my God. We're really good at this.
So there's a little kitty that's there sometimes. Like there.
Is that the only one? Oh there's more. Yeah.
There's a little kitty here. Little kitties. They're there.
They're in the maze. That genuinely adds a lot. Yeah.
So there's a little kitty. That was a Lisa innovation, if I recall correctly. Transformative art.
Yeah. On my left shoulder? Yeah.
Yeah. I'm sure there's a kitty somewhere there. Yeah.
Little kitty. Got a little kitty back there. There we go.
And then we also have the pipes party shirt. So Dan is modeling that one.
Let's go. If you look closely, you might find some fun Easter eggs in that one as well.
But we'll let you guys sleuth them out.
Not only are these S tier conversation starters, but they're made of a silky soft, breathable
viscose fabric for all the comfort.
They are available now at LMG.GG slash screensaver.
I've got a little video to show you guys too. What?
We've got a video? Yeah. Oh, right past that.
Oh. Way to go Linus. Anyway, there's a.
Sick. Yeah. Hell yeah.
That looks, that looks like a real photo from like way back then.
Oh my goodness. Oh, these all do. Okay.
That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
Dude, these are great. Oh my God. That's so amazing.
They did a really good job of making it feel like from that time.
This is so good. The red solo cups.
Oh my goodness. Okay. All right, Dan, play the video.
Let's do it. All right. Let's go back to you guys.
You're here. Wow. LGT Store.com.
Oh man. That's fantastic. When they pitched these in merge meeting, I was just like, oh my God.
Oh man. That's fantastic. When they pitched these in merge meeting, I was just like, yes, now do it now.
We'll also have some Floatplane exclusive behind the scenes of this photo shoot where
we had a ton of fun building out a 90 style mom's basement set for the product shoot.
I think you said we're going to have. I think they already have it. Oh, yeah.
It's up. Oh, it's up now. Yeah.
So there it is. It's up at LMG.gg slash Floatplane. It's 25 minutes long.
Floatplane exclusive. People are loving it so far, 65 likes, zero dislikes.
That went up, I guess, about an hour ago. Yeah, cool. Okay.
Awesome. Great job to the team on getting this product launched.
Yeah, I'm super stoked.
I don't want to be like that about it, but guys, we have no idea how long this product
will last. We have no idea if we will ever be able to print more of them.
It's possible. It's possible that a really small, I mean, these are doors, software companies.
These are doors could, I don't think they'd have a leg to stand on.
These are doors and there's kitties in there. That's true.
That there's one on my shoulder. It was up here. I mean, they were saying it was like on the band is just a depiction of the internet.
Like my collar. That's just the internet. So I don't.
That is a series of. We're going to get sued by Dan flashes, but I'm just, I'm just saying, I'm just saying
that it is possible that if you want, it's too complicated, a conversation starter,
party shirt, it's very similar to the original party shirt.
So if you, if you guys liked that one, this is, this is that, but with a very, very cool
modern design.
Yeah, you should probably just, you should probably just order whichever ones you want and like, like do that.
All right, well, what else are we supposed to do? Oh, right. We're supposed to do some merge messages.
So you go on the store, you type in your merge message in the cart and it will go to
producer Dan, who will read it, pop it up down here or even carried it for me and Luke
to respond to. So Dan, you got a merge message or two for us.
I do watch the behind the scenes video for these screensaver shirts.
Do the older staff sometimes find it hard to relate to the younger staff?
What do you do to try to keep yourself up to date with the current meta?
Meta is an interesting choice there. A league player.
Elijah hasn't watched The Lord of the Rings.
I don't like learning things about that man.
He hasn't, he hasn't seen it. He like knows a lot of iconic moments and stuff because of memes.
Meanwhile, my family's starting our marathon this weekend.
Yeah. So it's not just that there were different movies, you know,
because I think when we were kids, our parents definitely listened to
to different albums and they watched different movies,
but they definitely listened to albums and they watched movies
with some of the younger people that are joining the company now.
Not all, but some of them. They literally don't watch movies like a whole movie.
I've never heard of that. Oh, dude, it's just I'm probably very disconnected.
It's just not their medium. The youth. So it's not their medium.
Yeah, Artie, Artie's in the chat right now.
It's a thing. My only exposure to the youth, really, is when I go to the gym.
Sorry, can you mean watch one thing for two and a half hours?
Yeah. What's I'm going to say? Yeah, can't they just sit on their phone while they watch, though?
Don't they like watching two things? Like, I would think movies would almost be a good medium for them.
But then you're. But yeah, that's just one thing.
You sit on the couch on your phone while watching the movie for my doom
scrolling. No, because movies require a level of cognitive engagement.
I don't. Sorry, I disagree. You disagree. Yeah.
As someone who grew up with their computer in the family room,
who would leave one ear off so I could listen to the movie and watch
sometimes during certain points and play games the other bit. OK, so I think there's a lot of movies that you could kind of enjoy like that.
Like if you're watching Good Burger, sure, fine.
There is a lot of movies like that. This is true. Actually, if we look at recently released movies over the last,
honestly, six years, that's the vast majority of them.
But we started this conversation with the Lord of the Rings.
The Lord of the Rings, you got to die on it. That's not. You got to focus on.
Now, what about reading the books? We talk about them not watching movies.
Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that. But first, no, I would make the argument that if you want to have any flipping idea,
which one of the hobbits is the one that's obsessed with food and which one of
them is the loyal one and which one cries a lot or whatever,
you have to be somewhat paying attention because the Lord of the Rings has a lot of characters. I will agree.
I will agree with Lord of the Rings. Yeah, I would I would want someone to pay attention.
My firstborn didn't make it through the Fellowship of the Ring.
How old was he when you try to do it? About a year ago.
Oh, with that said, I probably made a significant tactical error.
Did you over promise? I gave him the extended edition.
Oh, they're worse movies. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
At least you have one less kid. We will definitely be worried about the extended edition.
And that's great. And that's fine. And I'm glad you love them. But they're pretty slow.
Yeah, they're pretty slow. Oh, yeah, Linus cancels.
Oh, bloody hell. I knew it was going to happen. I knew it was going to happen.
It was prophesied. The books thing. Yeah. I mean, I think we've started with the books.
Just to flex. So did I. I think we've talked about this on the Hobbit is what got me into reading at all.
I didn't like it very much. And then Hobbit's sick. It started going with the Hobbit.
Good to Tom Bombadil. I can't make it through Tom Bombadil.
Best character. And nobody makes it through Tom Bombadil. There's people hitting Ivy League universities that have never read a book.
Oh, I'm pretty sure we've talked about that on a land show. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, the the the prof will give them their like reading assignment for, you know, the first week or whatever.
What? Like, and they're like, what? Like the whole thing?
These days, honestly, I doubt they even say what. They just, you know, feed into chat,
GPT or whatever, summarize this book for me, please.
Thank you. I need talking points for an essay. Oh, good talking points.
Please write that for me. You had to thank you. I had to do Machiavelli.
If you had never read a book before, imagine coming out of that
and thinking that this was a not a manual.
Especially as a as a business major,
everybody was like, this guy's got some really good points.
I'm going to do all of this. Yikes.
Machiavelli's in the new save game. Wait, did we ever actually finish the tech
yacht conversation? I don't know. You had you went on to like mega mansions.
OK. They are related. OK, there's a couple more things
that I just want to wrap up on the tech yacht. Come back to this message.
Yeah, we'll come we'll come back to it. Well, no, wait, did we answer this merge message?
No, let's just finish the yacht and we'll come back and talk about this.
I told you it's going to be a good show because.
I allow this. I allow this. It's going to be fine. It is my design.
Go back and talk about your boat, Linus.
So the guy, the guy told me that, yes,
it would be possible to haul it out of the water and dry dock it and work on it on land.
He called it what do you call it on the hard?
We could work on it on the hard. Oh, oh, yeah, this guy's a boat guy.
I'm learning the land lover makes me feel good. I'm learning the lingo.
So we could work on it on the hard. But he did say that it would be a lot cheaper
to work on it just in the water. Yeah, because anything other than painting
is probably cheaper to do in the water because they're going to bill you by the day
that you have it in their frigging shipyard because the size of this thing, you can't just like you can't just like put it
on the side of the road and you know, work on it or whatever. It is built by the day. If you don't do it on the hard, how do you paint the hull?
That has to be done on the hard. Yeah, okay. Yeah.
He said it would be cheaper or whatever. Well, you wouldn't work on the interior.
All right. Size of it, major impediment to moving it,
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, he said that chartering,
even if they decide to take your ship,
like a charter company, they'll prioritize their own ships.
Yeah. And they're going to- Yeah, you don't have to like run it yourself. They're going to take a bunch of money for managing it.
So basically you'll be lucky to break even on a per transaction basis.
That's something that I found out on the plane side as well.
Unless you're pretty much running your own company and your own crew, it's not really practical.
So either way, I think the reasonable conclusion
is that regardless of whether we go tech-yacht or tech-plane, we need more than one of them.
Oh. So we'll have our tech fleet and we can really take advantage of the economies of scale
of having more than one. Well, you know a guy now.
About bulk deal. It's like Costco, but for yachts.
I think this yacht already is big enough to be the Costco pack.
Yeah, it's probably about the same square footage. Yeah, when they- You know, the Floatplane company,
I don't remember what they're called, they have a hilariously similar logo to us.
I don't know if you've seen it. They're in Vancouver.
What are they called again?
Anthony in Vancouver.
Harbor airs. That sounds about right.
But then now I'm seeing a logo from them that looks really normal. And I've seen a logo from them that looks like our logo,
but just vertical. Would make sense for a Floatplane company.
It kind of would. But I don't see it now. Apparently, as far as I can tell,
they make a pretty solid amount of their money from like commuters from Vancouver Island
to Vancouver proper. Yes.
So what if you did like small,
you have to compute with them, they're very entrenched. Yeah, that might not be a good idea.
Yeah, no, I think I just won't do that. They seem like they're happy doing the thing.
I mean, if you chartered it from here to Nanaimo
or something like that, your prices might be less than BC ferries, but.
And actually run on time. I think you probably have better food.
You wouldn't be able to take your car though, although you probably can't do that very often
with BC ferries either. They have triplos on some of the ferries.
That's not that bad. I don't mind a triplos burger.
All right, what the heck are we supposed to be talking about? Is that it for the yacht?
I think that's it for the yacht. Basically.
You know, with how cheap it is apparently to fly from.
Yeah, it's pretty reasonable, isn't it? It might be cheaper to just like get real estate
on the island and then fly to work every day.
Not bad. It's not expensive, yeah. That's crazy.
You'd have to park a car. How does that even make any sense?
How can you like? They fill the plane.
Oh, okay, that helps. It's not a solo flight. They're like timed departures.
Oh, okay, okay. But it's just a ferry, it's an air ferry.
Basically. And that costs about as much. Also known as a ferry.
Get a half bill.
That cost about as much as taking the normal ferry.
Yeah, like Tynan pointed this out, like living in Calgary and flying to UBC
instead of renting in BC, there's a kid that did that. That's a real story.
Yeah, I heard about that. And it was like financially reasonable,
which is completely absurd. Unhinged.
It just shows like how broken real estate is here.
It needs to like plummet. Kresb says, how can Linus not know this?
Because I don't commute via flow plane
between the island and the mainland.
Oh man, because I just don't know that.
I've never had a reason to do that, man.
I think I would move for like personal drone.
Like the Floatplane thing, that doesn't seem that practical
because with the embarking and disembarking and the fact that they're probably dropping you off
in like the Vancouver Harbor and all that. Oh, it's wicked fast.
Is it? Oh yeah. The embarking and disembarking is wicked fast.
You're not doing customs, you're not doing, I know you're not doing customs,
but there's gotta be security. You meet them at the gate with your ticket. We did it.
Really? Remember? Oh, that's right, you guys did. It's fast.
The whole reason of waiting is we showed up way too early and then like stood around.
Okay, define fast though, because like I don't wanna commute more than half an hour.
There's like, oh, I still gotta get in my car on the other side.
I don't mean the plane speed. Get to the office. You were saying embarking and disembarking.
No, I mean overall. Yeah, the whole thing is like, I wouldn't wanna commute that.
If I was in the office two days a week or one day a week,
I might consider living on the island. We just went around in a circle.
We did the scenic tour, we didn't fly to the island back, so I don't know. But what I would want is like the personal drone,
like the personal quadcopter or whatever. I think I would move for it.
If you had a personal drone.
And I could just land on my roof at home, land on my roof at the office.
You'd put a like heli landing pad? I don't think the city of Surrey would allow it.
I don't think Canada has made any meaningful progress on that.
What if you made it so that there was like,
horizontally opening doors. And you like landed in a bay.
I don't even need that. So you're not landing on the roof. I'll just go down by a ladder.
I don't need anything like that. No, but then you're not landing on the roof.
Oh, I just, oh, I mean, my issue is just the city of Surrey
wouldn't even just allow us to do anything like that. There's no way our strata would allow us
to modify our building. So that's, it's a non-starter,
right out of the gate, bribes. A strata for those of you.
I have an easy solution actually. No problem.
Crime. That is usually where it goes.
In this case, it is that probably, but dressed up a little bit better.
We got to bring back Linus Town. Oh my God. You can make your own, you can make your own law.
Everybody is allowed to have a personal flying. It's part of our religion.
Person drove. Yeah, we're still going to need to follow like transport
Canada, you know, rules and stuff for air travel.
And I don't think Canada. Sounds tough for them. I don't think, I don't think Canada's made
any meaningful progress on any of that. I think they've got some bigger things to deal with,
you know, the Americans coming up here.
Sounds like a good time to, to shoe in some,
some opportunity.
Jesus. Speaking of shoeing, and shall we finish this merch message now?
Yeah, what even was it again? I don't even remember. I watched the behind the scenes video
for your screen saver shirts. Do the older staff sometimes find it
hard to relate to the younger staff? What do you do to try and keep yourself up to date
with current meta? I keeping yourself up to date. Honestly, a lot of the time is as simple
as just talking to people who are younger than you. Like I am often surprised by how disconnected
the other parents in my cohort are of the friends of my children.
And I'm not calling out anybody specifically. I'm just saying that like, you know, I'll be like,
I set up discord for my kids. Like I set up accounts for them
and I set them up with a server. And I kind of showed them, okay,
here's how you do some basic moderation on your server and stuff like that.
And then I'll talk to other parents and they, their kids are on discord.
They literally don't even know what it is. Like they're on discord with my kid
and the parents don't even know what it is. And I'm like, discord isn't an algorithmic
social media platform. We've discussed this before on Wanshown. We kind of agreed that while it isn't algorithmic,
so it doesn't have some of the same issues that something like Facebook or TikTok.
It's definitely still social media. It's definitely still social media.
And you've got like nine year olds on there.
You know, you got to be aware of what they're doing. You've got to understand these tools
and just being around younger people
and knowing what they're using and what they're doing with it is extremely helpful.
And that doesn't mean that I have to use all of it. Like I have never installed Snapchat
because I don't need a messaging platform
that deletes my messages when I'm done. I don't send anybody dick pics,
which is the only reason that I can think of that you need that.
If you did, there would be a better way to do it. Because it doesn't really delete it
and they can screenshot it. Mail. Yeah.
Yeah. Like post?
Yeah. You think that happened? That probably happened. Get out.
That probably did happen. In the ye oldie days. In the Polaroid days?
I'm sure somebody. That probably happened. I'm sure somebody has mailed a Polaroid of their wing.
And I bet you, despite it being like low in quality,
they probably still didn't put much more work into it. It was probably still a like plunk
and then just mail it off. I bet. A pageant.
Meet on the AOL chat room and just fax them. But yeah.
And you know what, I think a big part of it too is that we cover tech for a living and that we game.
Gaming has become so age agnostic
and we used to think of it as a really bad thing. When you'd have some kid on the voice chat
that's annoying or whatever. But now, I mean, it can still be annoying,
but it can also be a good thing because at least it means you're not disconnected.
Well, yeah, it depends on the adult too. Yeah.
Blake Maverick says Snapchat is good for video calling
between Android and iPhone. There are so many solutions for that.
You 1,000% do not need Snapchat for that. Yeah.
Skype. Skype. Give out.
Hey, you were wearing the old shirt. I don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah. No, they used to be, at that point, they were their own independent company.
Did someone say gaming? Yeah, but you don't count anymore. Yeah, you're not even young anymore.
You're like mini boomer now. Mid to late twenties. Ew.
Yeah. Ew. I thought it was like 30. Don't fit that category anymore.
All right. What do we have? What else we got today? I have a second merch message.
You've got a lot more than a second merch message. Oh, I have to read you a second merch message.
People are people. They like these shirts. They are loving these shirts.
They are loving these shirts. A second merch message has hit the bricks. What about second?
You hit the bricks. Get out of here. Hi, dll.dll.
I had to recompile MOF files to fix WMI in Windows this week
to get some functions in PowerShell to work again. That's managed object format
and Windows management instrumentation. What's the weirdest PC issues you've had recently?
Hidden Office used yet? I haven't used it yet, but I'm very tempted sometimes.
I walk up those stairs and I see the RGB calling to me.
As for weirdest PC issue I've had recently,
oh dude, I'm sure there's something.
Oh, crap. Okay, it wasn't strictly speaking a PC issue,
but I had an issue with my car play yesterday
where I was listening to music and it sounded like I was tuned into an AM radio station
that I just barely had reception for.
And I checked and I was on car play. That's like, what is this?
And turning off the car, turning off the phone, turning everything back on and connecting again,
like fixed it, but I was like, I've never seen that before.
I don't know how that would happen. Everything else about car play was working fine. So clearly the data link between the phone and the car
was fine. The only thing that has started making my car feel like,
and I can't tell if it's actually my phone or my car.
Yeah. Because Emma's phone seems to connect to my car, no problem.
So it might be just my phone, but I'm having like Bluetooth issues
and that's actually pretty annoying at this point. But I had a, you know how I had that issue with my phone
that I thought was just me and it turned to a bunch of people in chat had it where like when I would unlock my phone,
it would just open the YouTube app and open shorts immediately. And I was like, what the heck?
I have another weird conspiracy theory, but this time I doubt even more
than anyone else is running into it. Very, very close to the 5,000 series GPU launch.
There was a driver update that I installed. And now if I'm like playing a game,
videos in browsers will have major issues.
Like the video will stop playing, but the audio will keep playing or it will entirely stop working
and then have to load for a long time and then finally pop back in and keep going.
Have you tried turning off hardware acceleration? I've tried a few different things.
It's upset. Turning off hardware acceleration usually helps,
but then like you're turning off hardware acceleration. Yeah, which kind of blows. Yeah.
WillingSpy pointed out there was that RAM that didn't want to train for a long time the other day.
After the stream. There is more people. How does this keep happening?
I don't know what that is.
This issue is not new.
If you had drivers that exhibit this behavior before. Oh. All right, there you go.
I've never experienced it. So the RAM did train and we did get 256 gigs working in that AMD system
at apparently 5,200 mega transistors per second, which is pretty darn impressive.
And I don't know, the whole thing didn't make any sense to me. Like during script review,
I was like kind of annoyed with David for bringing me an AMD build that had,
that was using CU DIMMs, because CU DIMMs are a technology
that only Intel supports and AMD platforms. You can use the DIMMs in them,
but they just run in bypass mode. They don't even use any of the special Tom Fulery
that's supposed to allow them to go faster. And I was like, yo, we're gonna look like idiots.
But he's like, no, no. ASUS and Kingston like work together specifically
on these specific DIMMs and this board to like high capacity, whatever,
higher research, yeah. Keep it paired. Well, ASUS sponsored the stream
and they wanted to show off these DIMMs because they like did this work anyway.
It did ultimately work at 5,200 apparently
after the stream, so that's pretty cool.
I had a couple of people say that apparently it'll switch over to Bluetooth LE mode,
but my understanding is that the iPhone still doesn't do Bluetooth LE.
iPhones don't support LE audio, sadly,
as the first result here. LE audio is a new standard, blah, blah, blah,
Feb 2024. Is this something Apple will be introducing?
Yeah, I'm not aware of Apple actually supporting
audio over Bluetooth LE, but maybe you guys can let me know if I'm mistaken on that.
As a follow up to chat talking about the issue that I had, apparently just everybody has it.
Every version, somebody with a 5,000 series GPU has it.
Somebody with an AMD GPU has it. That seems to just be all over the place.
Cool. Yeah. It's not LE audio, it's a different bitrate for call kit.
Okay, does it sound like a Bluetooth glitch? Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if it's a Bluetooth glitch,
but it was definitely trippy because I felt like I'd gone back in time.
It really did just sound like a badly tuned AM radio.
It was wild. All right, what else we got for today?
Dan, you got another message for us? Nah, we'll just, let's do another topic
and then we'll head into sponsors. We've got this announcement here, should we do this now?
Oh, sure. We recently built the ultimate sleeper gaming TV.
It's pretty sick. It's got a PC with an RTX 4090.
It's got a Wii U embedded in it with a spot for the sensor bar to mount at the top
and a little flap that comes down so you can load disks in it.
It's got a PlayStation 5 on this mount over here
and it even has a spot where a switch can go in at the back
and I mean a Nintendo switch, not a network switch. There's also a network switch,
but that one's on the inside. I was gonna say, both sound very realistic.
Full disclosure, the Nintendo switch mounts a little janky
and that only matters because I wanna know
if anyone wants to buy it.
Cause it's like super cool, but we don't wanna store it forever. Yeah, so the bill of materials for this thing
is about $12,000.
US. Is that right? It says US in the dark.
It's got an OLED TV in the front. It's super cool. It weighs a frickin' ton, like a CRT would.
It actually works great. The speakers sound amazing.
So yeah, if anybody wants it,
it would feel really sad. It's a Wii, not a Wii U. It's a modded Wii U with an HDMI port, mini HDMI port.
Hold on, this is the frame I want. Don't you hate that? Okay, there you go.
So there's the inside of it. It's got this acoustic dampening
so that the sound is better and it doesn't vibrate or whatever.
There's a couple little things you might wanna do. I might configure a fan curve for those fans
that are a little loud at the moment, but it's very cool and we get people asking us all the time,
like, what do you guys do with stuff when you're done with it? And the answer, more often than not,
unfortunately, is we take it apart because this may surprise you,
but we also have a limited number of top spec GPUs
and CPUs and stuff. And we often need to reuse them for new projects.
So there's a forum post, which Dan will throw in all of the various chats.
If you are interested in putting a serious offer in,
please go leave a comment on our forum post and we can't ship it just to get that out of the way.
There is absolutely no way that we would ship it.
So if someone wants it, then yeah.
Good luck with that. What else we got?
Oh yeah, we're gonna do a couple of topics.
YouTube is apparently the new television.
Our source here is the YouTube blog. In a blog post reflecting on 20 years of YouTube,
CEO Neil Mohan revealed that TV
is now the most popular device by watch time
for YouTube viewing in the US.
And according to Nielsen, YouTube has been number one in streaming watch time
in the US for the past two years.
That, even though I live and breathe this,
this is my entire freaking career and my company,
I still find that extremely surprising.
Genuinely stunning to me. I don't know, like, I don't know.
It doesn't seem right. I can never remember how this horrible new dashboard.
It might just be so deeply based around
like the fact that if you're watching on your phone, you're probably watching short content
and they're strictly going off of watch time. Yeah, but like, I mean,
they sit there for a long time. Yeah, but you might leave YouTube running on your TV
when you like walk away and stuff, the background noise type situation.
I'm watching on my TV, YouTube app right now, wild.
I'm trying to, man, I have such a hard time.
This new dashboard, which isn't really new anymore,
but it's just, it's gone. What is that? So this is the comparison metrics.
Whoa. So more metrics. I'm trying to look for a device.
And I- Is there a search? No.
With that many things, you'd kind of- In-screens, clips, revenue, members, interactions,
live, I do, I can never, I figured this out at least a dozen times.
And then I've had to re-figure it out every single flipping time.
It is published. Yeah, I don't know, view-
Traffic sources? View time hours. No, it's not traffic sources.
And then there's, add a metric. Here we go.
Yeah, it's gotta be, it's devices. It's some kind of, if anyone can find it,
let me know, it's so horrible.
Subscribers, comments, drives me crazy.
Drives me crazy. I don't see it at all. Yeah, it's definitely in there.
It's a thing, more. Oh, here we go, here we go.
Maybe it's one of these, player type. That might be it.
YouTube main embedded, no, I'm crying out loud.
Device, there it is. Okay. So watch time hours by device time.
Here we go. So we do not even sort of follow the trend. No, not even a little.
We are not trendy boys.
So maybe that's why it doesn't make any sense to us. Because we are in a niche that really likes that computer.
Yeah. Wow.
So here's last month. This is the last month that we have complete data for.
And computer took the lion's share
with a little under half of overall viewership.
Mobile phone is next, TV, third and tablet
bringing up the rear. This is probably about what I would have expected,
which means I am solidly within our own private little echo.
Okay, boomer. Yeah, I guess. You just said that to literally all of them though.
I mean, not literally all of them, half of them. I guess half, man, fair enough.
Yeah. Broadly to the audience as a bucket.
Okay, boomer. Yeah, pretty.
It's like the Shaughnessy version of boomer. Boomer.
More of the French version. All right.
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Well, there's a lot of pretty front panels there. All right, what else do you want to talk about?
Zotac copied our verified actual gamer program?
I'm happy about it. Zotac is trying to stiff the scalpers
by selling RTX 50 series graphics cards directly to gamers via Discord.
Their priority access campaign allows active participants
of the Zotac gaming Discord to enter for a chance
to purchase one of a limited number of 50 series cards available at MSRP.
Winners have a limited time to complete their purchase. All serials are tracked
and there is a zero tolerance policy against reselling and scalping.
After a massive influx of new Discord members, Zotac has tweaked the program to make it more inclusive,
stating that while active engagement is always encouraged, the selection will be based on a fair random process,
not participation. So you don't have to spam the Discord.
Yeah. I mean, we ran into some issues when we launched verified actual gamer as well.
Like I remember one of the early ones, the game was really hard
and we had people sort of talking to us,
very respectfully actually, about how that might not be great for accessibility.
And we were like, uh, right. Being good at video games is not necessarily,
necessary to be an actual gamer. But we, so the way that we got around that
was we changed the game every single time because one of the reasons why we had made it hard initially
was we didn't want people to be able to like... Do it too fast. Or bought it.
One of the two. We're gonna slow people down and we didn't want people to be able to bought it.
So instead we change it every single time.
So botting it would be difficult. Yeah, or pointless.
Yeah. So a human would beat it before you could code a bot
to beat it was kind of the idea behind that.
But I mean, I guess it just highlights that there's always challenges.
Like there's always a monkey paw, you know? You try to do something in good faith
and it doesn't always work out that great.
Yeah. Verified actual gamer, I think we ended up losing money on it
in case you're curious. Well, I'm sure we did. Because we did sell at MSRP.
If you include the development time. And we did buy them at less than MSRP.
So, you know, theoretically the gross profit on it was positive, but after we put all the work into it
and after some people canceled their orders and then they were lost in a warehouse for three years,
losing value. Well, that wasn't... Yeah.
That wasn't, that wasn't, that was probably avoidable but I only found out about it a little while ago.
Oh, okay. Yeah, so that's pretty funny.
Way to go team. Steam accidentally distributes malware.
Generic looking free to play survival game.
Pirate Fi, Pirate FL, Pirate Fi, I don't know.
Which peaked at a concurrent player base of five.
Nice. Sick. Was removed from the platform.
Was removed from Steam after an update to the game containing malware was distributed
on the platform. Valve contacted the affected players,
roughly 800 to 1500 people who've downloaded the game
and strongly encouraged a full system scan
using an antivirus or to consider fully reformatting
your operating system. Ooh, discussion should digital storefronts
do a better job vetting games and developers. No mention of the game exists from before 23 days ago.
That last bit seems like it could have, you know,
kind of been vetted, but overall... Also tough because what if you just don't want
to develop in public and you just want to launch on Steam.
And overall, I would say that in general, Steam has had very few malware spambles.
Very, very few. Considering how much data they dump onto people's systems.
Feels like they must have acted on this pretty quick and dealt with it pretty well pretty quickly.
I don't think we want a scenario where they're super heavy handed.
Honestly, the app stores right now are really...
They've gotten better actually. I think I'm carrying baggage from years ago
when they used to be super annoying. Now they're a little annoying. Luke's feeling a little emotional right now.
It's okay, we need to give him space and we need to give him time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They've gotten better, but they used to be a huge pain to deal with.
So there's kind of a happy medium and as much as I'll flag them for their 30% cut
being a little ridiculous. They do do some work.
They do do some work. And the happy medium I think has been found on this.
I don't think we should really change anything. Until we run into a bunch more problems.
When that happens, I mean, given that Steam manages to maintain
a very low level of malware distributed by the platform by scanning initial game releases,
maybe they just need to do that exact same thing with updates and then maybe this whole thing is solved.
Yeah, sweet.
Now this is pretty big. Maybe. Could be.
Could be pretty big. The first major AI copyright case in the US
has been decided. Thomson Reuters has won the first major AI copyright case
in a lawsuit filed in 2020. Thomson Reuters claimed that materials
from its legal research tool Westlaw had been reproduced by legal AI startup Ross Intelligence.
A district court ruled in Thomson Reuters favor on Tuesday
stating, none of Ross's possible defenses hold water.
I reject them all. Importantly, the AI in question here is not generative AI.
It does not write anything itself. It only surfaces existing material in response to a prompt
making it essentially a search engine. This limits the case's utility as a precedent
for other lawsuits against generative AI companies
like the one we're about to talk about.
Meanwhile, the news media alliance, a huge collection of news and magazine publishers
including the likes of CondÃ© Nast, The Guardian and Vox Media has filed a copyright
and trademark infringement lawsuit against enterprise AI company, Cohere.
Claiming, Cohere uses unlicensed copies of content
to directly compete with publishers and listed 4,000 specific examples
of verbatim regurgitations and substitutional summaries of new content.
So, I realized that there is a difference
between a search database
and sharding out copyrighted content
and a generative AI that trains itself
on copyrighted content and then shards out
something very similar. But it seems to me that if any of this holds up,
it could basically stop AI development
dead in its tracks in the US. Yes. Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, no, no.
It'll just make America lose. And that's a really complicated question.
Yeah, it sure is. No matter how you answer this, you're going to peeve somebody.
Oh, 100%. What should they do?
I have genuinely no idea, but what I do know is-
Okay, let's make Dan unpopular. Dan, what should they do?
America just loses. Sorry, I have not been listening.
Okay, should America enforce copyright
in a way that is both common sense and legally sensible by penalizing,
shutting down access to basically obliterating
anyone who trains their AI on copyrighted material, which is, as far as we can tell,
everyone who just plundered first,
asked for permission later, or should America just lose the development race for AI?
Because all this- They've already lost it to China, so who cares?
No, they're calling back. Well, that'll be unpopular.
Have you used the new Gemini stuff? Not the new Gemini stuff, no.
Is it good or bad? Pretty good. It's all pretty good.
I've always said that it's built on- AI's built on child graves, basically.
Stolen.
Yeah, but it's already done. There's open source models.
This is a problem. It's out of the bag, right? It's not even slightly out of the bag.
It is out of the bag and down the street.
There's open source models. People are training on their own already. A lot of the libraries of pirated content
have leaked to a certain degree. I don't know if I should say a lot. Some of the libraries of pirated content have leaked.
And you have non-U.S. companies competing very heavily with American companies.
So the only thing that this will accomplish is make it so that the companies
that are worth using their tools for,
and if anyone tries to jump in and be like, no, we would just use North American ones?
No shot. No shot at all.
You will capitulate immediately and use whatever thing is best.
This has been proven a trillion times over. There's no even point talking about it.
So it just guarantees that countries that are not following your laws
are gonna be the ones that win this particular race. So I don't know.
We talked about this a long time ago, right? The same debate of like,
oh, American lawmakers should pass laws to slow down AI development.
It's like, okay, pass laws to lose.
That's the only thing that's gonna be accomplished. The whole rest of the world's gonna keep going.
Everything now is global. The laws in your particular area are...
They're interesting. Deeply irrelevant to overall progress. But they're interesting.
But other than that, I don't really know...
I don't know how much impact they can have on the direction the world is going.
Yep. I think China's gonna stop developing AI stuff
because some American companies get upset about copyright.
It's over. It's done. It's done. I-I-R-F-T-W that said then is copyright dead?
And the answer is, it's complicated?
What's the... I saw this is not an original thought.
I'm stealing this from someone, but I don't remember who and I don't remember from where. But one of the founders of Reddit
parted like a bunch of science papers or something
and then got like some insane amount of years in jail
and then ended up ending...
What's the YouTube appropriate word for that?
I think we can just leave it there. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
Sounds good. Yeah, Aaron Schwartz. So like that's how hard we were on stuff back then
and then we're gonna let this go. That doesn't feel good.
No, it really doesn't. That doesn't feel right. That doesn't feel right for anyone whose work was stolen.
100%. Including yours. Including mine? Yep.
But like, what do you... If you think about chess moves,
what happens as a result of this? That's where it gets weird.
Yeah. Because it's like the... I don't wanna learn Mandarin. Yeah.
Adam, I'm joking a little bit. But insert any other one, right?
But insert anything else. What's that European AI company, M,
their logo's an M. Do you know Dan? Not at the top of my head.
No, sorry. European AI company. This will probably find it.
Anthropic? Mistral? Mistral, Mistral AI.
I'm just reading China. So like, it's not just necessarily China
that's gonna win, but there are big companies making big moves
outside of the US. And they're all using a pretty similar pool of data,
which a lot of it is American. Yeah. In one particular case, yours.
So if you copyright own the Americans,
it makes it so the Americans can't compete, that in no way will stop the rest of the world
from pushing on this. I mean, copyright law in general is pretty complicated. I remember there was a big case in,
I think it was Ireland, where McDonald's could not prove
the trademark towards Big Mac. Oh, I remember this.
Because there was already a restaurant. A little pub or something? Something that was called Big Mac
or something like that. Big Macs. That had been there for,
you know, longer than McDonald's had been ever. Yeah.
So even doing that type of global trademark across the country is not possible.
Copyright and trademark is just such a complicated mess.
It's wild. Why we have a tech sack instead of a tech other word.
Yeah. The little sack that we have that you can put tech in.
I just don't, I don't like. If you want to get really meta.
We just changed the name. I mean, the shirts that you're wearing, you know.
No, let's not talk about that. Let's talk instead about this message from J21234.
They pointed out that, how can you have a certificate of authenticity?
This is from the Floatplane chat that is signed by some guy who just like changes
his signature whenever he feels like it. I will say both of those are real.
They are definitely both by my hand. But I have, now that I sign more stuff,
I have changed to this. Yeah, yeah.
This takes too long. Yeah. That's all I have to say about that.
Sorry. I can't believe you got, by the way,
the Lambo beanie and the Lambo heart potato hoodie.
Incredibly small amount of people accomplish that. One, probably, I don't know.
I wouldn't be surprised. This looks well worn, dude. This looks like they have been enjoying that $70.
That's sick. A loss of US based AI tech
would cripple medical and scientific research if we have to continue with old methods
while other countries research with AI tools. Our state and federal governments
have started a ban on foreign softwares.
Yeah. I mean, this is what I'm talking about. This is what I'm saying.
You're just making yourself lose. But then that doesn't feel good
because it doesn't feel like justice because a ton of people were just ripped off
to the tune of what should probably be billions of dollars.
And they'll almost certainly never see anything for it, which is clearly not okay.
Yeah. And I mean, realistically, we're gonna end up embroiled in controversy
when people are asking four years from now why we didn't raise the alarm about this.
To be honest, yeah. We knew that AI was ripping people off.
This one group knew. Why they didn't do anything about it? Why didn't we stop it?
Why did they only talk about it on their live show? Not everybody watches that, Luke.
Jerks. Not everybody watches that.
But yeah, I don't know. It's weird. It's very uncomfortable, honestly, to think about.
It doesn't feel good. I don't think there's a feel good answer here.
It's do the thing that feels right and lose as a nation, as a country, as a...
Society. Society or...
Do the right thing and fade into the dustbin of history.
Yeah. Essentially. Or do the wrong thing and try to stay on top.
So do we do the wrong thing for the right reasons? Do the ends justify the means?
Go, quick. But that's, yeah, I mean... Summarize a thousand years of philosophy
in one sound bite. Yeah, sick.
Good luck with that. Be excellent to each other.
Thanks, Luke. Luke agrees with stealing from others.
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What? I almost want to challenge them on this. Oh my goodness, this is amazing.
This is the actual Amtrak website.
That dude had an Amtrak branded DS, by the way. Right?
That was wild. What the heck? What are we even looking at here?
This is so based. You should do it.
You should host a land on a train. Fast lander.
The fastest land party. The fastest terrestrial land party.
What plane chat wants us to take the AIO TV? No, definitely not.
Tech train, you can get a train car.
People used to, didn't like really rich people used to do that? Lots of people have been talking about that today.
Really? Yeah. You can get a train car.
There's like one reasonable track in BC.
You don't know a guy? I don't know a guy for trains, I'm sorry.
Well then we can't do it. Then we can't do it. Actually don't.
Can't move forward unless Dan knows a guy. I feel like by the end of the week.
I'm sure I could find a guy that knows a guy. Next week you'll know a guy, yeah. I'll ask around, I'll ask my guys.
Someone will get in touch with us. Dude, imagine a train. I think you have to pay for the tracks.
Train car. Well, yeah, I would assume so, I mean. You mean for the tracks?
Well, yeah, track time, like you'd have to.
The tracks are owned by people and you have to pay for them.
It's kind of sucks. But this used to be a thing, there's got to be some amount of framework.
I don't think it's a thing anymore, just because something was a thing at some point.
I mean, I don't think I could find an ice harvester to bring me ice to store in my cave
so that I can keep my vegetables chilly. I know of one.
Oh, I got a guy too. Do you need a contact?
I don't need an ice harvesting contact. They're selling glacier ice.
They're shipping it from Greenland to Dubai.
That is just so believable. No, it's true. Yeah.
I don't like current year at all. I never have.
I wanna go back to monkey. I don't wanna do this anymore.
Also in the Floatplane chat, Grelwing asked, Hey Linus, have you read the feedback
on the sponsor spots in the Chinese PCs video? Yes, and we have actually removed
significant chunks of it with the YouTube editor. So thank you for your feedback
and I have passed that along to the business team and we have dialed it back.
Thank you. I agree that it was too much.
Do you wanna do, oh, there's literally nothing left for you.
Why don't you do a couple of messages because I gotta run to the washroom and then we're gonna talk about a company
that reached out to me that actually had a very- Is it cool? It's cool.
Okay. Okay.
Okay. Interesting. You got anything for when we did?
I do actually. I've got a couple here. Sorry. That's gonna be an interesting topic though
because they didn't reach out to him, they reached out to me. Oh.
And I was like- So he was just lying. I have no idea what this is. I'm gonna pass this far.
Luke, have you tried creatine ever since I have started it?
My recovery time is almost nothing. I've been using it beyond raw for about a year
and it's been great. Yeah, I technically double dose it
based off of some advice I got.
So I take, is it milligrams? Milligrams?
Grams? Something like that? Usually you're supposed to take five of whatever it is
and I take 10. Five grams, 10 grams. Yeah.
Yeah, I like it. Seems good. I feel like not everyone is a responder to it.
I feel like I am. I think I actually am. That's the only form of anything that I take.
I did the 20 gram loading and that was a mistake.
See, I do that and I have no problems.
No problems at all. I'll like forget to take it for a week and then load again and nothing.
Doesn't bother me at all. I double dose it every day, no issues whatsoever.
Do you like drink it all in one sitting or do you take it over the entire day?
Oh yeah. Interesting. Fire back.
I am weak, confirmed.
I mean, no, it's a stomach thing. Some people respond very negatively to it
but still gain the benefits. Some people don't gain the benefits.
Some people do gain the benefits and I seem to not respond quickly to it
and do gain the benefits.
So it's all right, not respond negatively to it and do gain the benefits.
I tried to get more recently and that ended up being okay.
Promoting personal fitness isn't very Canadian. What?
What? What? What are you talking about, Boosted?
What? I don't know.
Okay, I've got another one. This is a little- Look at body break.
A little bit more. General, Mr. Tips Birdman AV Club,
what's your memorable Valentine's Day faux pas?
Faux pas? Yeah.
Fox pass for the Americans.
Faux pas?
Am I remembering how that works, right? Somebody did a little social oopsie.
Yeah.
I don't know, I can't, I don't really care.
Nobody'd ever been in like embarrassing
for a Valentine's Day. For me? Yeah, or something you know about.
Maybe, I don't know. I mean, usually not to be all traditional about this,
but usually I feel like it's me doing things. That makes sense.
Not the other way around.
Not that I'm against that. I just think that's normally how that has gone
in my history.
I don't know. I don't know.
Forgetting? That's a really boring answer.
That's a pretty big faux pas. Let's see if I have anything here in incoming for you.
Emma left me a little note in my lunch today. That was cute. Oh, that's adorable.
That's not a faux pas though. That was good.
Hey, Deela, what's your opinion and thoughts on the Envigia digits upcoming product?
Do you believe it will be popular? Luke, here's a chance to talk about AI.
Oh, we did it. I mean, we've been talking about doing something
in the office. I've put together a little super group of AI nerds
and we've been discussing what we should do
because we wanna have something in-house that people can use,
not only just for inline IDE assistance for the developers,
but also just to get people more interested in it.
I think where I'm at right now with AI,
I've talked to her a bit on the show, I think a lot of people misuse it
or like, oh, I think it's maybe a little,
I don't know if this is fair to say,
but like, I don't know, I'm sure other people feel this way too, but like, I feel like I use it in a way that is good
and that a lot of other people don't. You use it like a tool. How lame is that to say?
Very self-centered. But yeah, like one use case that I've described
to a lot of people is that I don't use it to write things for me effectively ever.
What I do get it to do is get it to try to interpret
the things that I've written. Cause I've noticed over time,
some massive percentage of communication is body language
and a lot of business and just communication in general is moving to text.
So someone said the exact words, sentiment analysis. Those are my keywords.
I have different various prompts that I use with that, but if I'm sending a message to someone,
especially if it's a serious one, and I have the time to iterate through it,
I'll write the message up, slap it in there,
ask it for a sentiment analysis, and then I might tweak it from there
based on what it says, and I might even ask it like, wow, what would you change to try to shift this
to be a little bit more friendly or whatever?
And I might integrate its ideas, but in general, I don't actually have it right for me.
And I think using it in that way, taking that type of thing,
and Grammarly does that, cool, I don't care, use Grammarly.
Anyways, using it in this type of way
where you're like, you're not taking its output
and submitting its output. That's where almost all the issues I have found with it lie
are when people are creating a result
and just submitting that result. If you use it to do some of the steps for you,
if you use it as a sounding board, if you use it as a form of thinking,
but then you check what it says and you verify and you move from there and you use it as a research tool
and stuff like that, but it's not outputting the thing that you're submitting
and you're checking the stuff that it's saying, you can get a lot of benefit from it.
Like an actually, a sounding board, Elijah,
we've already established this, you're effectively a boomer now. You don't get to do that anymore.
It's over, I'm sorry. But yeah, I don't know.
How do you use it, Dan? I kind of don't really.
I don't use it at work. I don't really use it for much.
I don't know if that's a problem or not. I have just never really found a need that much.
Sometimes I will ask it some very specific questions
about which word I'm thinking of.
But it's just like a dictionary thing. I'm more interested in how they function.
Yeah, I don't know. Think less of me for that. Okay, I mean, I missed all of it,
but I assume that's a valid option. It was like usage of AI tools.
Do you use any AI stuff ever? Not really, no.
Weak. I don't have a use for it, not at the moment.
I think you could. I think so too.
I think a lot of people could. I think it's just not in people's habits yet.
I would expect it to be in mine. I just, I don't know.
I find I don't decently often forget about it. And then when I'm like,
oh yeah, I should like use this stuff. I do, I'm a little bit faster sometimes.
I like your idea of using it for sentiment analysis. I think maybe.
Because sometimes I'll sit there and think about things and rewrite things myself, right?
And that can take a while sometimes. You do more of that than I do.
That's fair, but I feel like you could ask about some of the stuff that you do
and it might be able to help. Maybe. It might also suck a lot.
Yeah, I don't think the stuff that I'm doing now, it can help with.
You don't think it knows stuff about. Although it could probably definitely help me with JavaScript stuff.
AirHockey. No, but JavaScript.
Yeah, it could probably. And JSON parsing and API.
Oh, I asked it how the hell the Microsoft API works.
Because the SharePoint API is one of the worst things
I have ever encountered. I remember that brief period of time
that we were looking to like, maybe the whole company should use SharePoint.
And then we started looking to SharePoint and all. We were like, maybe not.
Maybe that's a no.
So this is pretty cool. Remember that sport camera company
that you linked me up with? I mean, that was like this week or last week.
So yeah. I don't know what you do or don't remember. So it's called PlaySite.
And they handle a lot of different courts,
or a lot of different courts, a lot of different sports. But one of the things that they've apparently
done really well in is pickleball clubs.
This is not pickleball. I believe that's Padel. That's not pickleball either.
This is also not pickleball. Thank you for that. Neither is that.
Anyway, the point is that these guys
actually seem like they might be a lot more legit
than I thought. I'd never heard of them. Like I know Hawkeye and I know,
I assumed that most major sports
just kind of like had their own setup or whatever. But apparently these guys are into video streaming,
instant replay, coaching and like strategy analysis.
Particularly, they apparently do really well in coaching,
automated production. They're in a like whack ton of different sports.
The main reason why it took me a while to get them to you
is because I was going back and forth with them for a while, because they don't list badminton.
Well, so yeah, they don't because nobody really cares
about badminton in North America, sort of, except that as we discussed on the call with them,
it's growing really fast. Yes. So he was kind of telling me that where a lot
of their business comes from is, so I got on a call with the rep and he says,
yeah, a lot of facilities just, they put in security cameras and then they start getting
players coming up to the front desk being like, oh man, I made like an epic save on that shot.
Can I get the security camera footage? Can you get me the security camera footage? And they were like, so that's one of the things
that we do a really good job of is you could just put a QR code on the side of the court.
People could just scan the QR code, go into their app,
and then they can download, you know, the last 30 seconds or whatever of the match.
They can also apparently do instant replay, whether you use it for line calls or whether you use it
just for like, I don't know, just like doing an epic instant replay.
That's apparently something that they work on. And...
It could be kind of sick if there was like a screen on the court or maybe you just use your phone
and like, if there's a dispute, you can just watch it back. And we're set up for that.
So we have power and Ethernet between every single court
with that we put there because we intended to have,
whether it was for scorekeeping or whether it was for instant replay or whether it was for whatever else,
we have networking, we have power throughout the facility.
And the way that it works is it's a charge per camera.
And then basically it's a charge per camera per year.
And you have to lock in for a term, but I didn't realize how big these guys are.
Apparently they have thousands of clubs. Guys, is there anyone in chat,
anyone in Floatplane chat that has used PlaySite before?
Like in a facility or for coaching or training
or for a stream, L-Torred asks, can you do local compute?
I doubt it, given the specs of the onsite server
that they gave me. However, from my understanding,
basically everything is RTMP or RTSP.
And if we wanted to also do some like
machine vision analysis on that video data,
nothing would prevent us from multicasting it to their thing and to a completely separate thing.
Dan, feel free to correct me if what I'm saying is stupid.
What does that mean? It hasn't been listening, that's what that means. When do I not?
All right, fair enough. He's trying to respond to merge messages.
He's trying to do his job. See, yeah, nobody here has apparently used it,
but these guys say they're in thousands of clubs. So I would think at least, okay, fine, you know what?
I'm leaving the confines of Floatplane chat
and I'm going to YouTube chat to see if anyone here
has ever seen this. No, nobody's seen this, nobody's heard of this. They're talking about SharePoint still apparently.
Still? God, yeah, SharePoint's awful. Yeah, the second I said that about SharePoint,
I was like, eh, there's going to be people fighting. All right, well, brilliant.
Apparently you can, like you can paywall matches
or tournaments, so if you have like a major tournament or something, then that can be a revenue source
if people want to watch it. I find this to be, I don't want to piss him off,
but here, one sec. Oh, what now? Just a little website thing that annoys me.
Okay, I'm on their website, I scroll down, scroll down.
Oh, there's a footer, never mind. Scroll down.
Is it their blog or something? Oh, there's a footer, never mind. Media, it's their media page.
Oh, okay, brilliant. Yeah. It was like actually trying to click something down there.
I was like, ah, come on.
Rysau says, I think there's a very small overlap between tech people and badminton people.
We're not talking badminton people though. They do like baseball and basketball.
They have so many sports. Yeah, there's like a ton of sports and they have like real footage of people playing those sports
that what appears to be a reasonably high level, so.
Think about how many arenas and clubs and stuff
there is just in the states alone though. Oh, yeah, no, for sure. Thousands, they're not saying tens of thousands.
Just the high schools. Yeah, yeah.
Palaitis says, I think his point still stands.
What point? The overlap between athlete people and tech people.
I mean, come on, let's give ourselves some credit people.
Does Marquez not count? Yeah, see, that's what I'm talking about. You play badminton a lot.
I used to do many a sport. Yeah, I used to, you know, he used to.
Back in the day. Back in my day. Back in his day.
Dude, we played this game called, we played this game called the voting game.
Have you heard of it? I don't know, whatever. One of Yvonne's friends bought it on Temu or something.
Basically, it just is full of cards that make a statement
and then everyone is holding a number
and they play that number anonymously and the number corresponds to someone around the table
that they think matches the statement. And one of the statements was, they peaked in high school.
I'd probably get a few of those. Yeah, anyway, it ended up being a very hurtful game.
I'm sure. Overall. Yeah, yeah. I got, I got.
Yeah, what were yours? That I was, oh, gives awkward hugs.
Really? Was mine and Yvonne voted for me.
My own wife. That's rough. Voted for me for gives awkward hugs.
That's rough. She clarified, she didn't, she was like, no, I don't mean in like a like creepy weird way.
I mean, in like a, you don't like touching people.
And so it's kind of awkward when you touch people way.
I mean, that lines up. Thanks. I've known you for like 15 years.
I think we've hugged twice. Yeah, that sounds about right. I think I can name them.
Yeah, that sounds about right. Yeah, I'm not, I'm not much of a,
I'm not much of a physical contact guy in general.
So when people. You started the like elbow bump thing at conventions.
When people, y'all, dude, that's, that's like my line now.
When people like are taken aback by the fist bump. I'm like, dude, look, I was a germaphobe way before it was cool.
No. So when people, when people like going for the hug,
I'm like, I don't know whether my ARM goes this way or my ARM goes this way.
I'm also like kind of a weird height.
Cause for a lot of men, I'm like, like in their shoulder.
Probably have to like go like this to like.
Anyway, I'm trying to think if there's any other ones
that were really uncomfortable, but there were definitely.
Oh, oh yeah. One of them was spends too much time maintaining their image
on social media. Okay. Well, that was obvious.
Of course. Did anyone else get a vote other than you? Yes. Wow.
They were one of the moms. You know, because the thing is honestly,
and I actually maintained that that was the correct answer
because I spend, would you call anything that I do curating my image?
Please. Yeah, all of it. You have staff curating?
See, and the question specifically was that I spend
a ton of my time doing it. He spends the time undoing everything
that everyone else tries to do.
This guy gets it. See, he's like anti that mom.
Someone in chat called one of the two times, by the way.
Oh, oh, where is it?
Kuro identified it because one of the two times was at the roast.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then the other two time
with the other time was when you tried to quit.
Oh, okay. Three. Okay.
Okay, I'm missing one. The 10 year plaque.
Oh yeah. Yeah. That checks out. That checks out the 10 year, 10 year service award presentation.
Wow. That is a, you know what though? That makes them special.
Yeah. They really care. I don't care to be clear.
Just in case anyone's like, no, I genuinely don't.
They really count. Okay. Brownstein says, come online as everyone knows right ARM goes up,
left ARM goes down and hug. I didn't know that. I don't hug people.
Is that a thing? I think so. Is it one of those things?
I didn't know the rule, but I think so. Is it one of those things like which side of the sidewalk
you walk on where it depends what country you're in? Oh, maybe. If I'm in Australia or if I'm in the UK,
do I go left ARM up? I don't know.
Maybe. People are saying, I didn't know that.
He made that up. Yeah. No. Okay. No, I don't. I go over the top with both arms says boosted.
Well, I wish you'd been there for the game because then I wouldn't have had to win that one.
That's definitely awkward. Did you win anything else?
Oh, a ton of stuff. I don't really remember a lot of it.
That's fair. Let me see. Let me see. My wife can remember anything.
I definitely got roasted as much, if not more than anyone else.
That much is certainly for sure. That makes sense.
Penny. Hey, wife, you're live on the WAN Show. Can I ask you a quick question?
Yeah. You sound in the middle of something.
Oh, I am, but what's up? Hey, when we were playing the voting game,
can you remember any of the awful ones that I got voted for
other than the awkward hug one?
Oh, man.
I think you got voted for, like, who was the one that took the most recent selfie.
Oh, yeah, I did win that one.
Okay, in fairness to me, though, there was a very good reason for taking it.
It was like a, no, I was on set,
and I was testing selfie cameras compared to my daily driver phone.
Like, it wasn't because I was all, like, at the club, and I was like,
like, come on. I don't, I don't, I don't know if that really counts that much.
Someone's gonna screen shot that. You also got voted for, like, who was most likely to yell at you
for putting garbage in recycling or recycling garbage or something like that.
Oh. Yeah, I won that one.
Yeah, I could see that. Okay, you know what, I think we're gonna,
this is a good conversation. Thank you very much. I'll see you soon, hun.
Bye. Okay, bye. Bye. Yeah, I got voted.
I, and the reason that I won that one was because the last time one of those people was over,
I, like, I, like, moved with some stuff that they had put away after they left it,
like, started resorting it.
I am, I am not like, I'm not militant about it or anything like that.
For me, it's more just that sometimes it really is
no more work at all to do it properly.
So in those cases where it is literally not more work at all.
Oh no. I don't know, it just seems like not more work
to put it in the right thing. And I, I, I definitely, garbage and recycling, I'm a little less fussy about.
But when it comes to organics in the garbage, I actually do legitimately get kind of upset about that.
Oh, well, that doesn't count. Yeah. It doesn't count. Like, come on, don't put organic stuff in the garbage.
I, I had this, I had this book when I was a kid.
It was super cool. I've never been able to find it again. It must have been like a really limited print,
but it was called, it had an aluminum cover.
And one of the first article, or one of the first chapters in it was like explaining it,
or maybe it wasn't one of the first, but somewhere in it, it explained the process of like recycling aluminum
and how the cover was, I had gone through that process. It was super cool.
I really forget what it was called. Maybe like cabinet of curiosities.
Maybe it was something else. No, I think that might've been a different book. The point is it doesn't matter. That sounds pretty sick though.
It, yeah, it was a super cool like little like science book. It's a cool physical demonstration, yeah.
And one of the chapters in it was about the decomposition
of organic material or rather the lack thereof in landfills
because it becomes an anaerobic environment with no light.
You can dig a hot dog out of a landfill 20 years later
and it will, like it had a picture of a hot dog that was like ancient and it looked like you could just
barbecue it and eat it. Like it was, it was crazy.
And so yeah, definitely. The design and engineering behind landfills
is like actually surprisingly very interesting. It gets me very upset though
to see organic material thrown into the landfill when it could be composted and reused, but anywho.
What are we supposed to be talking about? No one cares about play site thing.
No one knows what the heck it is. So apparently I have to commit to a multi-year term
in order to like even, yeah, they don't have a trial,
unfortunately, although I wonder if we BYO hardware,
if they might be able to make an exception on that. Cause part of their whole deal is that they give you
the cameras on the server and then you sign up for a multi-year deal.
What if it just sucks? Well, then I guess you should have get good scrub.
Do they realize that if it sucks, they're probably gonna get like dragged?
Oh, they had no idea who we were. Really? Yeah.
He was explaining to me about like the specs of their server and how it has all their technology.
And I was like, dude, don't tell me what technology is in a server, please.
Weird. Well, remember too, whoever like watches LTT
is not necessarily gonna be in their sales department. That's another small overlap.
Like sales people and people who watch LTT. Probably someone they're new,
but that isn't the person who reached it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway. AJ, the feature that I think is the hardest to replicate
would be like the tips. Cause they give you like feedback on your gameplay,
don't they? I doubt they would be able to do that for badminton given they don't even officially support the sport.
They claimed they did. I asked this. Even the rep was like, yeah, we're looking to get into it.
Yeah. I knew they would just lie to get on a call. That's so common.
Honestly, it still looks like it might be, it might still be pretty good.
But I would- So AJ, we have enough work to do. I would really want to try it. Yeah, yeah, that too.
That too. I think we're still waiting on getting some of the other
in for stuff there, like prepped for LAN parties and stuff.
Like I don't think we're anywhere near getting all the cameras hooked up.
Dan and I are still going back and forth on what cameras
we want to use. Requirements are changing, I think.
Oh. No, no, like from original.
Like we discussed this the other day. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if they've changed since the original
requirements. It's just that the camera that I found that I really liked
that met all of my requirements, Dan found that their implementation of our TMP was really bad.
It was really disappointing. But we might be able to still use it.
No, AJ.
Let AJ cook. No, we don't want to do badminton video,
mass ingest and distribution through full of plane. No.
No, we really don't. It can't be that hard.
No, stop. No, we're just going to stream for free on Twitch.
And,
I was going to make that reference, he beat me to it.
Oh. Okay. I think it's time for After Dark.
Okay. Sick. So we have a new thing and it's at the bottom of the dock
where you have to read about the Floatplane announcements now. I do.
Oh, yeah. What's that? Where's that? At the, right above sponsors, right below the last one.
Watch video. Okay, I can watch a video. Oh my God.
Well, this is off to a good start. Oh, I guess we're going to need audio.
This automatically looks amazing. I am so excited.
Are you ready, Dan? I think so.
Oh. Whoa!
Oh, yes!
Here we go. Get the float through there.
It's perfect! It's alive! Oh my God.
And it's Alex with ConfloatPlaying. Get subscribed, here's the preview.
What is the line in your opinion between janky and stupid?
If it plays well and is amusing in a video, then it's janky?
I have a 21-inch concert speaker that we got in for a while ago.
It would be really funny to put it in the back of Linus' van.
I suspect that it would be large and powerful enough
to literally blow out the Windows.
Wow, that was great.
Please put in guitar sounds there, Sammy. Instructions unclear.
That intro was genuinely amazing. He said it was his magnum opus.
That's actually so good. 10 out of 10, good job, Sammy.
Not only was the concept great, but Alex killed that. That was fantastic.
We will have three separate videos dedicated to Alex
as you saw in the trailer, so make sure to subscribe at LMG.gg slash alex25.
That was so good. Those are all coming very soon. And is this Alex at the top of the thing?
Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. Oh, he's in the icon, too.
I can barely even recognize him there. Okay, that's a little more, that's more recognizable.
This is uncomfortable. Yeah, I think Sammy's been doing that for a bit.
Yeah, okay, good stuff. The sparking paintbrush is absolutely ace tier.
Amazing. All right, Dan, time for After Dark.
Sure, sure, let me get us switched over here.
Dude, I don't remember the last time we launched an apparel product that resonated like this.
This has been spicy. Yeah.
Poor Dan still has 15 messages in incoming.
I am just about done with him. Sheesh.
Is it dividing up? Do we have people voting with their wallet?
Yeah, like what's winning? Yeah, oh, we should definitely guess
before I look it up, though. Okay. Okay, hold on, let me just get the dashboard open
so that people aren't gonna have to wait too long here. You have to do ranks voting, rank list voting.
Oh my goodness. Okay, yeah, I can do that.
No, no, no, I'm just saying, like, oh, I thought with us three, yeah.
Yeah, no, we should do rank choice voting. Yeah, yeah. For which, or no, we should just have to,
no, we should just say what we think our podium is.
Okay, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure, okay.
And are we guessing, are we saying which one we like better and seeing if we agree with the community
or are we guessing which one's sold better? I'm honestly, I think I'm doing both.
You're gonna do both. When you think it'll be the same. You believe that our community's tastes
will be perfectly aligned with your own. Yep, me too.
Pipe, pipe. Interesting. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
So everyone, everyone, okay?
Zip it, we all, have you written it down? I wrote it down. You're done already, okay, okay.
So, and to be clear, they're all amazing.
They're all great. Dude, you gotta do the thing. I wrote it.
Here in that one. What? I'm gonna give him a ding for saying
the amazing shirt is amazing. He wasn't intending to.
No, I did this. You did. Oh. Yes, sorry.
He gets a ding. You get a ding. I'm sorry, Luke. Okay, okay, so we all reveal our guesses.
Let's have Dan go first. I'm going with pipe, doors, maze.
Okay. Pipe, doors, maze. You differ, you differ.
Okay, so hold on Dan. Dan is pipe, doors.
I could see that being correct, but mine differs. And Luke is.
Doors, pipes, maze.
And in a massive surprise to everyone.
Doors, pipes, maze. I live in Luke's head, apparently.
Wait, did you write down what you thought I was gonna say? No. Oh, okay.
No, I just, we just, I don't know. It's like, we just, we order the same thing at restaurants.
It does happen. It's a whole thing, you know?
I've literally had people ask me what I'm gonna order at a restaurant before
knowing that Linus has ordered first. And without looking at the menu,
I'll just say whatever Linus got, I don't know. I'm sure it's fine. And it's literally always been fine.
I'm a very safe food order right now. That's probably part of it.
That is fair. I tend to just go with like, I don't know, what's a bowl that just like everything in it
is sort of universally believed to be delicious.
I'll just go with that. It's a pretty good approach. Soup is so underrated, it bothers me.
It can be a little hit or miss though. I like to see their top tier or absolutely weak.
But I don't think it's that hard to make really good soup.
No. Would you go to a restaurant and order soup? I have.
Oh yeah, oh yeah, sure. For like, good French onion soup. Good French onion soup.
Yes, please. Clam chowder, dude. Okay.
It can also be horrible though. I don't really do a lot of fish anyway, so.
I wouldn't know. Both amazing.
Okay. All right.
18 results.
Oh man, this is broken down by- Size? Also sizes, bloody hell.
No, no, I think I can work it out. I think I can work it out.
Oh, I don't know if I can work it out. Oh no. Okay, someone's gonna have to do the math for me here.
Do you want me to pull up the things and have a look? Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, I got you, I got you.
Okay, so the various sizes. Okay, so doors.
You got this, Luke? I've got six.
23, 24, 29, 35, and 44.
Okay, for maze. Hold on. No, no, we'll get all the numbers first.
We'll get all the numbers first, because someone in chat will probably just do it for us anyway.
Maze, I've got one. 14, 14, 17, 17, 18.
Dan, I think, oh no, we all said that maze would be in last.
Oh, okay. We did. So now we just need doors?
Pipes. Oh, we need pipes. Which? I gave you doors first.
Okay, pipes, pipes. Okay, here comes pipes. Seven.
Uh-oh. 25.
Okay, there we go. 27. Whoa.
29. Whoa. 31.
Whoa. But it falls behind in the large size
at 42. 42. 42.
Whoa. No. What?
It's the same. They're dead here. They're tied. They're tied.
Shut up, they're tied. They're tied. 161.
No. That's no one is winners.
That's wild. Dang it, nobody called that. No.
Nobody, hell. Okay. Wow.
Well, that was fun. Okay, tell me this. Wow.
Incredible. Now, normally, and I, that's a joke,
because normal curve. Anyway, the point is normally, medium would be our,
would be the peak of our bell curve.
If you had to guess, would you say that this particular product
skews more petite or more husky?
Bigger, bigger. Bigger for sure. Bigger for sure.
Average audience buying it would probably be older.
Generally larger. I have never seen anything skew this heavily large.
Yeah. Large is number one, followed very closely by extra large,
followed closely by medium,
followed distantly by small. Yeah. All of them are like bigger body builders than Luke,
because anybody that would buy this shirt would be just huge.
Just chatted. Just chatted. Absolutely chatted. Muscle-bound chad.
Absolutely chatted. Or a short king, one of the two.
Yes. Anyway, yeah, pretty interesting.
So I guess we all get to be pretty big.
So I guess we all get to be both wrong and right sort of-ish.
Yeah, great job, everyone. Good work.
Ooh, trophies. What else we got today? Oh, more merge messages.
Should we just get into some merge messages? Yeah, hit me, Dan. That sound.
Let's see, we already did that one. Hi, LLD.
Over the past years, I've gotten many letters from healthcare providers
telling me that I'm impacted by a data breach. They all offer one to two years of credit monitoring.
Should they be doing more? Yes.
Yep. Yep. Sorry, don't have a ton to add.
Credit monitoring doesn't even do that much. It just tells you after the fact that something bad happened.
By the way, if you haven't been checking your credit card statement or anything else.
Yeah, like, man, TransUnion and Equifax
and those guys, like, ugh.
Yucky industry. By the way, this is funny.
IIRFTW says this is peak large IT guy
needing to wear a collar for work, but knowing he can't be fired.
Oh, this is a, this is cobalt programming club.
Hey Linus, hope your motorcycle is going well. Wondering if you have any wrecks for helmet
or music call systems. Also possibility on some of the car play systems
or HUDs, interesting bike tech out there. I haven't ridden in over two years
while I've been painting my bike. I have made zero progress in the last week.
When I get back into it, I am somewhat interested in looking into some in helmet stuff,
but honestly, the most advanced thing
that I ever implemented was wired speakers
that were just like little flat speakers that were ripped off of some cost headphones
that I double sided taped into my helmet and then just like cable managed down.
And then I plugged into a phone that was in my pocket
with a three and a half millimeter jack and then I had a pebble smartphone,
hot glued to a magnet and then magnet it onto the dash of my bike so that I could change the track.
That's as good as I ever got. And then if I needed directions,
I would just use turn by turn, which is really annoying when you're listening to music.
It sucks. Hey, LLD, with myself going to college this upcoming fall
for computer and electrical engineering, I wanted to ask what education got you interested
into tech, also a big fan of the channel. Computer lab, computer lab in school, man,
playing that Dino Park Tycoon, playing that math circus.
I got into games extremely young
and then most of my motivation for learning about computers was so that my games would run better.
Yeah, I started my core interest in computers
other than my dad just pushing me to be interested in it
was because I wanted to be able to play Diablo on land with my buddy.
And I was like, how does this work? I need to, something, something.
TCPIP, IPX, SPX. They're all these words, why do they matter?
Yeah, and then, yeah, it was largely,
I want to be able, I want to understand, because money's tight, I want to understand
what upgrades are important so that I can keep playing new games as they come out and stuff like that.
And then I had an affinity for it when I went to school.
So I joined that class and my computer's teacher was amazing.
So that helped a lot. Yeah.
Hey, LLD, for Luke, I hope you like that this will be used
by our spacecraft systems engineering team to build small sets and cube sets.
What are some of your favorite missions that you have read about? Oh, it's for drivers or something.
Oh. They purchased a precision multi-bit and the case.
Sick. This wouldn't necessarily be read about.
That's so cool. But it's very cool.
Yeah, LTT precision driver working on satellites.
Is that sick? Right? And it's perfect for the cube sets
because they're pretty small. It's amazing. That's so cool.
Project light sale.
Light sale.
Oh my God, I'm getting an ad for Ari's tech.
No, dude.
Have we had this conversation on WAN Show before?
No, no. Have we had this conversation on WAN Show before?
The one about like how far up an organization
you have to go to reach the level where people know it's a grift, you know?
Because I do believe that there are people who work in that organization or, you know,
Scientology or, you know, whatever, right? Like surely L Ron Hubbard knew it was a grift
and his like accountant must have known it was a grift. You know, sometimes you might just actually be crazy.
I mean, that is possible. That's possible. But I can't believe that about every grift organization.
For sure. I can't believe that. Yeah, I'm just saying like sometimes.
How far up? And I think there's also probably like a,
I think there's also probably like a time element
to this as well. Like if you look at, you know-
Time yourself long enough or something? Well, yeah. If you look at some very large organizations in the world
that have been around for a very long time accumulating vast amounts of wealth in the process,
you know, at some point, someone probably knew it was a grift.
Yeah. And, but maybe that knowledge died out
and people who were indoctrinated made their way up into the upper ranks.
Oh, I'm sure that's a thing. And people no longer like know.
Yeah. A person, one, two, three in full-plane chat said,
in quotes, but I don't know if it's a quote or not, never underestimate the ability of someone
to not know something if their paycheck depends on it.
That sounds like- There's a lot of that. That sounds correct, Luke. Yeah, thank you.
Yeah. So, how?
He's so smart. How high up? I like my John.
Okay. Sorry, Linus. I missed that and I'm probably glad I did.
How high up do you have to go in an organization like Airsteck for them to know it's a grift, you think?
Cause I do actually believe that some of the influencers
like believe in 5G, you know, whatever,
radiations, killing plants or whatever, right? Like there's certainly going to be some that do.
If you're not working on administrative teams
or engineering teams at that company,
when are you exposed to, does it work or not? Yeah.
Probably not that often. Cause like the engineers would know. Well, I'm sure.
If they even have any, like, yeah. Right.
And like the- The product designers, I guess. Yeah, the product designers would have to know
cause they'd have to know that they're just like drawing-
There's a weird part of this job that I would expect we would be doing that we're not doing.
Yeah. Yeah.
But beyond that, like- People running their hilarious demos. Do you think they're sales people
and marketing people know it's a grift or do they just recruit the believers?
I'm sure there's an ability to recruit the believers there. There's also this concept of like, you know,
if you tell yourself something enough, you will start to believe it.
And if you believe something to a certain degree
and people push you on it and you just get defensive,
you can like build up a fortress of things that aren't necessarily true, you might not necessarily even realize it.
Right. There's a lot of weird things, like-
Human brains are funny, funny. I was talking to Emma about this the other day.
The fact that everyone just shrugs off the placebo effect is wild.
Oh yeah, placebo effect is huge. Like actually one of the most wild things ever.
Like seriously, one of the best things you can do if you like literally get cancer
is to just believe that you're gonna make it. Yeah. Like it's not a guarantee,
but the difference that it makes to survival rates,
to have a positive attitude and think you're gonna beat something is wild.
Yeah. Like wild. I've also heard warts is a huge one.
If you just think about your wart going away, that's like medical science at this point.
Yeah. Yeah. That's insane. I don't know.
That's like a real, real thing. But like Sony people will hear about placebo
for the first time and just be like, yeah. It's like what?
There's also no nocebo. You can't also talk about one without the other one.
The negative effects. You think that this medication is gonna hurt you and then it actually hurts you.
Yeah. Even if it doesn't. Even if it's placebo or fake.
You're just making up that it has negative side effects. Yeah, exactly.
Like you get more warts. This is why real medical trials need controls
and everything needs to be double blind and all of that stuff. Absolutely.
I was telling Emma I'm really happy that people do research on this stuff and to a certain degree in certain cases,
I think it's probably beneficial for me to not know more.
Right. It's a real witchcraft. Cause like if I think it's gonna work,
once I get to that conclusion, as long as I'm certain it's not gonna like
be really harmful for me, I don't wanna know more. Yeah.
Because if I think it's gonna work, then okay, cool. And then if you find, you know,
some like doctor, YouTuber or something that's like,
yeah, actually the whole thing's a grift, then now it has no chance of working.
It stops working. It might have been working. It might have been working because you might,
and like that doesn't make Luke an idiot. It just makes him a human being.
We are. This happens to all of us. We are so, so flawed.
All the time, placebo effect doesn't just affect
medicine stuff, it affects your ability to perform in like sport, in basically everything.
If you, yeah, it's wild. Remember when we were at the gym
and I thought I was lifting 40 pounds cause I can't do math. This was nuts.
This happened many times. This was nuts. He genuinely lifted like a lot more than his previous max
and lifted it multiple times. I did like a full PR set.
And then realized when he was done, that he had lifted like 20 pounds more than last time.
Cause I miscounted. But he was enormous. I forgot to include the bar
and then like went up 45 pounds and was just like, this is only five more.
And then just like benched it for eight. We are recommending that.
No, no, no, no, no. We are not recommending that. No, no.
I could have seriously hurt myself. At all. Yeah. And we talked about that afterwards actually.
Absolutely, absolutely. Extremely dangerous.
But it's just wild that his brain was like, this is fine. It's only 20 pounds.
And then it just happened. And then he was just able to lift at that level moving forward
because he now had evidence that he could. I mean, the brain, mind, body connection
is really, really important for lifting weights anyway.
And so if I was just saying, yeah, I can lift this. And then my body did.
Wow. MavsGuy842 says that's why getting volunteers
to work on your grift organization is awesome because then you know they believe in it.
And that makes the grift organization so much more powerful and so much more persuasive.
Whoa. That's awful. That makes so much sense though.
Oh yeah. 100%.
Porto says, I hate the world. Yeah.
The world isn't the problem. The world's got trees and things.
Anyways, talking about cool things. Someone asked me my favorite thing that I read
about my favorite, I don't know, something to do with space that I read about.
And I, what? No, no, carry on.
Oh, did I rip away the screen? I was showing it. Oh, well, here you go.
I contributed to this back in the day.
And it was super cool. So you contributed to this? What did you do?
Oh, no, money. Oh, geez, okay. I was like, what?
I was not functionally useful. How have I never heard about this? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It was, yeah, a little, I think it was a CubeSat,
technically, little satellite. And they had this enormous sail that they put on it
that unfolded when it got out there because technically light has momentum.
So that's why it's called light sail because they're using light as a propulsion.
Right. Which is super cool. Yeah, and it totally wouldn't have worked unless they believed it would.
Not actually how placebo effect works. They're like the orcs from 40K.
Yeah, but yeah, it's a planetary society thing.
I thought and think it's super cool.
There's a light sail too. There's all this other kind of stuff. I don't know. I didn't really read a part about that
because I was, I don't know. I guess I did technically read about it. Anyways, whatever.
What is going on? What is this? We're playing Dino Park Tycoon for the rest of the show.
Why? Because it's a wonderful game. You're getting Eve ads based.
I need to change the zoom just to, oh, you know what?
We could just go. Buy land at the real estate office.
Could just go full screen. Hold on. He said mocking the BC people.
Is this a functionally? Hello?
Okay. What's the bloody hot key for full screen?
F11. Okay, I'm pressing. Okay, see Luke, verify for me please.
I'm not an idiot. Yes, is the function screwed up?
Is it turned down? No, it's not. Look.
Correct. Okay. All right, cool. So hit this.
So there's that. Hit the three kabobs on the top, right? Yeah, I just don't know what's in there.
Are we no longer playing it? Oh, we're playing it.
On the right. Right, right button. Are the new shirts tall friendly?
I'm tall. They're not tall sizing. But it fits like this.
They're not tall sizing.
Yeah. They're not tall sizing, but they're not really helps it.
It's short sleeve. And they're reasonably tuckable, I think.
Yeah. Okay. All right. What else we got for Linus?
Do you have a video favorite that you have made?
And Luke, which scrapyard wars was your favorite?
Four. Oh yeah, that's the one with the fire.
Yeah. I think it's like even reasonable that there will be one
that could ever trump that for me. Like overall, like production quality
and all that type of stuff. I think the most recent one, whatever number it was,
is probably our best one, but four will always hold a special spot in my heart.
Working with Rod on that was like probably one
of the highlights of working on computers. Like, oh, he's in chat. No way.
Working with Rod on that was sick. That was like easily one of the coolest computers
I've ever made. The fact that the power went out in the office and we had to present it at my parents' house
was just like sick.
I don't know. We made a computer that lit on freaking fire, dude.
Like, how do you even, I don't,
and it was like actually really cool. Like the integration of burlap,
the fact that we use an actual like old iron grill,
the fact that we had multiple types of fire. We didn't just settle with one form of fire.
That would have been lame. We had to have multiple sources of fire
and multiple different types of fire. We had like the three, two, one rule of fire
instead of backup. It was, yeah, it was really fun.
I had like a genuinely just really good time,
and I really liked the result that we ended with,
and it's great, and I'm always gonna say four,
is what it is. Mm.
Minus, do you have a favorite video?
I, like a favorite video video, like one favorite video overall.
Yeah. Look at those wages.
Okay, we're gonna need a little bit of food. Oh crap, what kind of food does this one eat?
Buh, can anybody explain?
And Vidya does that every day? It's an amazing comment.
Did no one else react to this? What? I'm talking about the fire computer and GM Shippo.
Oh. And since Vidya does that every day.
You win, you win.
Got it, shh, I'm just upset now.
Oh man. Oh, okay, well, I don't know what the heck my dinosaur eats.
What is happening? Hey, Wook, why not, and when? What was the last DIY tech project
that made you excited or you really enjoyed doing?
I recently had an arcade cabinet watching one of your old videos,
and it was so much fun.
Mm. Man, what's the last, what's the last,
like, DIY tech project I did?
Trying to think. GM Shippo said, I work on rockets
and getting a ding is my proudest moment. Just for you, bud.
That's brutal.
No. It's quite an honor to be perfectly honest.
We should make them a plaque. Can hang it over their PhD.
That's a very unfortunately human thing, I think.
Oh, no.
This is why all the kids want to be YouTubers. I, I.
It's free dopamine. I am legitimately, I'm legitimately more pleased
than I probably should be with the pool water cooling setup.
Yeah, why? That's sick. Why more than you should be? Well, I don't know, because it's stupid, isn't it, Leigh?
Who cares? I don't know, it's just, yeah, I like it. I mean, it's fair to care that it eats.
It could be better. It could be better. That's a good answer. It could literally everything.
Yeah, but I, yeah, you know what? I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with that.
Not because it's the last one that made me really excited.
Man, there was something really recent that I was like, jazzed to do.
I mean, I had a ton of fun working on that all-in-one gaming TV.
That was really cool. Sorry. Chad's being very funny today.
Yeah, I'm gonna go with whole pool water cooling.
That's a good one. Howdy, LLD from Oklahoma.
What's up? You need a comment there. Question for Luke. What is the challenge with operating a video site
that people don't realize is actually kind of hard?
Also, Linus, return of the tall sizes, when?
We are definitely, we're gonna do tall sizes. It's gonna happen.
I don't know exactly when, but they're working on it.
I think, I think it's just that you have to do- Oh, I died already.
This is a very unforgivingly difficult game in case you- You died?
You die in this game? Oh, yeah.
100%. Huh, okay.
But I'm gonna try again. I think it's probably just that you have to do everything.
Like if you're a site that has text posts,
it's like, okay, well, we have creators that can post text posts and all the users can comment.
So there's that. If you're a site that does audio, okay, well, we support audio.
If you're a site that does downloading, okay, well, we support downloading. If you're a site that does video, okay, well,
we support video. If you're a site that does live streaming, okay, well, we support live streaming.
It's just like, oh, there's just so many things.
And then, I couldn't even imagine,
even conceptualizing how to implement live chat.
Oh, I mean, there's, I think you could, so I don't know worked on it for a while.
Yeah, but like you have to do the whole thing.
Yeah, but I mean with- You have to do the whole everything. With all web development, there's,
now I'm gonna pull it back slightly because of your comments. This is what I wanna do.
There's some amount of stuff that you can lean on, right? Like even live chat, like we didn't do this,
but if you look at Twitch's origins, they leaned on IRC really heavily.
You could dial into Twitch live chats
through IRC clients without going on Twitch at all
back in the day. That was a thing. People used IRC bots for original bot interaction
on Twitch. People say you still can.
Wow, I didn't know that. You still can, but it's a huge pain.
Got it, okay, yeah, I don't know.
So like there's some amount of like, internet development does not at all
happen in a vacuum anymore. And it hasn't for a really long time.
So there's like some amount of other stuff you can lean on, but there's just so many things that you have to do.
It's very complicated, mostly because of how multifaceted it is.
If we could just do VOD, it would be a lot easier.
If we could just do live streaming, it would be a lot easier. If we could just do photos, it'd be a lot easier, et cetera.
And that makes it difficult to scale because it's already difficult to scale a website
that just does even text.
And at a certain level of scale, that ends up being not the easiest thing in the world.
And then you make it so that you're scaling all these different things all at the same time.
And it's like, booh.
Yeah, I don't know, that'll be my answer, I guess.
Just throw Terraform at it. I really appreciate that you threw the slash S
at the end of that, I appreciate it. Yeah, people think stuff like that
is a lot more simple than it is. Because there's, I mean, it comes down to things like,
there's forms of scaling that just like, throwing more servers at it will not solve your problem,
either, like you have to, anyways.
Yeah, next one. It's bad. Hello, Wansho.
Linus, last week you mentioned that How to Train Your Dragon was a perfect movie.
Can you expand on that? Dan, have you watched it yet? No, look if you played Final Fantasy VI.
I have played it, but I'm really not much further, but I have played it.
It's on my list, sorry Linus. Oh, it's so good. Are you gonna watch the live action?
I will watch it, we've talked about that already. Got it.
I'm very legitimately actually kind of excited for the live action.
Well, I don't know, maybe I'm a little bit excited for the live action.
It looks like they're pretty faithful to the perfect movie, which is the original,
but nothing's a guarantee until things actually happen.
So why is it a perfect movie? Because it has a perfect soundtrack.
It is emotional and funny. It's, yeah, it's, ah man, okay, perfect movie, damn it.
Better than Paddington 2? I haven't seen Paddington 2 unfortunately.
Wait, I think that lost, it's 100% rating.
It had a 100% rating? It was a perfect film according to Rotten Tomatoes.
Man, I, That's only 99% perfect. Someone probably just trolled it.
No, that's on the, that's on the, I don't know. Oh, the like reviewer side?
Yeah. I don't know how I would define a perfect movie
other than that it's so tight.
How to change your jacket also has 99% from critics. So I think you're accurate.
There's just, there is absolutely nothing out of place in it.
I saw this wonderful breakdown of how well integrated the score
and all the major themes for all the major characters is
and how the character themes blend together
as the characters relationships change. Like it's just, ah, it's so good.
It's so enjoyable for all ages. I think that's something that is really, really tough to nail.
Like a movie that is for kids,
but that I don't just have to kind of like make my way through.
Like, what did I, what did we go to see with them recently? We went, we went to Moana too with the kids recently
and it was like fine, like it's a visual spectacle and everything, but it, like, we were just kind of,
we were kind of making our way through it.
How to train your dragon is incredible.
I will definitely throw it on my list.
I mean, it is on my list. All of the, to throw it against my eyes. Yeah.
Hi, LLD. What are your thoughts on Google starting fingerprinting?
For example, cookie list tracking on Sunday. Thoughts on how to avoid it considering
how many services Google has. I thought fingerprinting had been going on for a long time.
Forms of it. Yeah. Fingerprint is scary, scary.
I forgot a fence. How to avoid it is tough.
As far as my understanding goes, it's the clown.
The clown and the thumbs up.
Alberto Soros? Yeah, that's a thing. Okay.
Maybe people will start coming to the parking auction today.
What, do they sell water blocks here?
Next up we have... What are we talking about? What was I talking about? Oh, how to avoid fingerprinting?
Buy a laptop, not using your credit card,
and then don't sign into any account on it ever.
What about it being fingerprinted by being on your local network attached to other computers?
Don't do that either. Monkey, go live in the forest.
Or that. This is why I want to live in the forest. Yeah, the whole like, it's only anonymized data.
It's like, yeah, until they attach it. Have you ever seen Google Analytics data?
It's horrifying. Oh, did they fix that if you're under 18 Google data yet?
I doubt it. Everybody forgot about that immediately.
Welp. Hi guys, I've been watching the channel since I bought my AMD Phenon X4
and wanted to learn how to overclock. That's a minute ago.
I thought that he wanted to learn how to overclock his ANOM-T4,
and this was a joke message, but... Oh. No, no, this is...
Did you just misread it? No, I did the first time.
That's what I thought, he was asking for tips. Nice for how to overclock it.
Now, but no, that's when he started. Well, there's a great channel
that you can check out to learn how to overclock that Phenon X4 and CIX tech tips.
I think that was where we uploaded the guide for that. Man, I wish overclocking was still a thing.
Apparently, 5080. I've heard. It's pretty good.
I haven't actually... No experience myself, I've heard. I'd love to get one, somehow.
I mean, you could borrow one once we're done working with it, but we're not, so go away.
Yeah, no, I've committed to the people that any 50-series GPUs that I've had pain...
Oh, I just meant for playing around with overclocking, not for keeping. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, it's ours. If I take anything home, it's... Hands off.
I have to buy it, which means I'm gonna be waiting a minute because I'm not on any wait lists, so...
I've heard 5080s are becoming more acquirable.
They're less exciting, so that would explain it.
I don't think AI developers care about them at all.
Okay, last one I got for you today. Sure. Gonna get the rest next week, when lanyards when.
I don't know if it hasn't been mentioned since I can't watch live. Is there a story of the cat in the maze?
Cats are cute. They're awesome.
And... That's a pretty good story. Yeah.
I think there's half a cat. Yeah, well, oh no. That's less cute.
There's a full cat. Yeah, full cats are better than half cats.
Yeah, well, no, he's just hiding.
Yeah. It's probably full if you look behind the stitch. As for when lanyards, I mean, I think we don't really have those.
When lanyards, I stole that from GameGram in chat.
Oh, well, we had them at some point, I thought.
We did. Is this... Oh, it's currently notify me when available.
Oh, it's just this color scheme. Yeah, it's my favorite color scheme. I thought that one is the one that I still use.
I don't know. I will tell you though, that we've had a lot of designs
that have faded away off the site over the years, and I pitched something to the merch team.
There's no guarantee that anything will actually happen with it, but I pitched to them that it would be pretty cool
for us to bring up a big list of all our old designs
and then throw it to the community. Thunderdome. And let them vote for one or a small handful
for us to bring back. I can think of a few that if they came back,
I'd try to buy a couple of them so I can have them for a while. Luke Nukem.
No. I still wear mine regularly. That's what I said.
I didn't get one. I'm sad.
Did I tell you about the one time I wore it out?
Really? I think you did. I might have. I had to go pick up Emma's car from a tire shop.
She's just getting tire swapped. And I was just like lounging at home,
so I just had whatever I was wearing on. I forgot I was wearing the Luke Nukem shirt.
Would you secretly wear whenever you don't think anyone's looking? Yes, go on.
No, no, no. And I go to walk to pick it up and the guy just looks at me, looks down at my shirt.
And I don't remember exactly what he says, but it's something along the lines of Luke Nukem, eh?
He doesn't know my name. I didn't give them my name ever, but he just vibe-checked me and just knew.
And I was just like, oh. Why are you wearing a shirt with your face on it?
Because it does look like you. Sarah told me when she was working on it, she's like, I don't think I can make it look like him.
I'm like, dude, it looks like him. You did a great job. Ship it.
So literally the one time I wore it outdoors, I got called on it immediately.
I was outside of my car, both at home and there for like less than five minutes.
How have I forgotten this story? Snoggle says you've told this story a billion times.
Well, whatever. I'm pretty sure I did. I love it every single time, then.
Oh, man. And I love every time hearing you say,
we'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Bye!
Keep me on my toes for that one.
I'm gonna win. Who knew?
I threw away a lot of money letting that dinosaur escape.
No, you have to go home. You all right?