Yeah
Yeah, I'm having the screens not on and I had the same solution to just hard power it down
But yeah, the screen was off computer was definitely on
Fans were spinning and that my friends is why Dell is the official laptop partner of the WAN Show instead of a
Susan Lenovo. Yeah, apparently Well, this works it does I
Yeah, on ironic, we're not even this isn't even the real show. I
Unironically like this laptop quite a bit It works. It's a good machine every time I show up at functions. That's all I really ask
That's a lot to ask sometimes it seems. Yeah
Yeah, the bare minimum. I Have never had it not work. It's great. That's huge
Look for the bare Necessities the simple bare necessities
Forget about your worries and your strife
All right, so are we grilling? No
The whole thing So stupid
So dumb that makes me want to grill more. I can't I can't believe how legitimately upset some people seem to be about the cheese thing I
I actually can't I and like with everything that I've been through in the last, you know, three years
this This is the one that I'm just like
What do you even mean? What are you even talking about? You should you should fully embrace the meme you should book out
like that that field By LSS where they have like rib fest and stuff and you should have burger fest and
The whole thing should be a variety of different cheeses
Charge for entry charge like five We'll do a blind taste test. We'll do a blind test. Yeah. Yeah, we'll we'll put you know
But no my whole thing is make money off of them being
Sell shirts So one shirt that's like American cheese is real cheese and sell another shirt that's American cheese isn't fake
Sell the American cheese is fake shirt only on the global store
So your plan is sell the American cheese is real cheese only on the American so your genius plan is to piss off everyone
It's the it's the old Steve job strategy of
Pitting the teams against each other. Okay. Yeah
All right. Yeah, I'd love to talk about how terrible the UX UI is on the new Plex app, honestly. Oh
Sure, why don't we throw it? Why don't we throw the new Plex app in here?
You know what have been driving me nuts lately and is potentially negative on this laptop, but maybe I'm wrong
Maybe it's a Windows problem. I don't know. I think it's a laptop thing But it seems to be fairly universal for like all the laptops
So this isn't maybe specific to Dell since when did holding down function get you the F keys?
Oh, you can change that in the BIOS. Okay. Yeah, you can yeah
That's so annoying. Yeah, but you could yeah, you just change which one is default in the BIOS and cool. Okay, sweet
I'm probably honestly not gonna do that for this laptop, but that's good to know
Make the cheese shirt reversible
That's pretty that's pretty sick
All right, should we just should we just do this thing?
How about we just do this thing should we do this thing? I mean, I'm down. Okay, maybe launch it at 430 dead. Yeah, does that work?
Why is when on time?
Yeah, yeah, I want to win the last time we were on time was
Okay, so before we get there, I think I've figured out the cheese thing
Okay, so there's different kinds of American cheese
Okay, craft singles are crappy American cheese. Okay. Okay, and then the rest of American cheese appears to be bland
Cheese that has the emulsifying salts in it. Okay, so
Realistically, I would never put it on my food anyway because I like cheese with flavor
You're gonna get some spicy people in the chat angry with you. I'm just I'm just I'm just giving them a hard time. I'm just giving them a hard time
Also Also Are like typical like grocery store-ass cheddar
Apparently is pretty high moisture in Canada and
Something something something and melts really well
So my confusion that you would have any difficulty melting a standard-ass brick of Kirkland cheddar is
Legitimate because here it melts just fine, but maybe somewhere it doesn't. Oh, yeah, like English cheddar is basically like a small brick
Yeah, I think that would be more difficult to melt or at least melt differently
But who the hell is putting English cheddar on a burger? So what are we even talking about absolutely no one so no one eats burgers in England
No, no, no, I'm just saying you wouldn't buy it here to like I mean, there's like it's a style
Dude, this whole thing was frustrating because people are just like, you know, like it's not all cheese is this it seems like
When I went when I went to Paris for a couple of weeks Literally what I would eat for at least one meal every day is I would just go to the boulangerie
I would get a baguette and then I would go to the fromagerie and I would get some random cheese
I'd never tried before and I would eat them and it was great. I love cheese This is the way to go. I love cheese. I just
Don't think that it's difficult To melt a square of cheese on a burger
And it's funny because my whole thing was like skill issue if you can't do it
And then people's biggest defense was that it's way easier to do it with American cheese
Because it comes pre-sliced so you don't have to slice it evenly I do not struggle with
It's not a skill issue. I have a skill issue
Excuse me. It's not a skill issue. I just only play the game on easy. I only play the game on story difficulty
I'm not bad at Dark Souls. The guys just keep killing me
One minute 44 seconds. Oh man
But yeah, it's it's pretty funny and Benny's like it's more for smash burgers and it's like that's fine
That's your take but you got it. You got to remember that you are just one member of an audience that is
Thousands or in the case of the Vaude hundreds of thousands strong and there are plenty of people in that audience
That did not say that and did not think that and so the whole thing has just been like, oh
My god, would it be funny if when the cafeteria opens at smash jams if you had a smash burger at smash jams
No, I don't think anyone's gonna know or care about
I think I think the cheese thing is actually gonna gonna pass here line is 60 seconds
You got those selected stop bashing our cheese, bro I don't care if you bash our politics or our collective IQ
Dude it was pretty funny on the on the bomb proof PC
when Alex
When Alex was talking about how the the link between
extensive use of indoor firing ranges and lead exposure and potential for like IQ drop the number of like
terrible brain-dead takes on how
That's not true from people who regularly
Shoot indoors was pretty funny outdoor ranges are base. It's like you are you are
Not disproving this point the way you think you are even outdoor ranges like
I Like my grandpa swore by he had this thing
There's like a cleaner for your hands to get all the residue and stuff off
Yeah, that's what then he shot exclusively at outdoor ranges. That makes sense
Cato s I don't hate dairy. I'm just saying humans consuming it at all is weird. It is super weird
It's like why why is it taboo? You know if my wife is lactating for me to be like can I have some?
But if it's if it's a fucking cow, that's like
totally normal
The intro of all times I
Mean I don't actually disagree though Like that's that's actually wild to me
Yeah, I don't know
Yeah To be fair, it's not taboo to eat beef, but is taboo to eat human. Oh
I do think that's a little different, but it is funny. Anyways, do you see Adams coming? No
What a terrible day to be employed I
This is who you're associated with Adam. Yeah
Yep, wait, I am it's for the views Adam We got we got you can't you can't you can't be getting views out here not having interesting takes
You can't be have getting views out here. Just I did not have like cheese
American cheese 25 dark 24 says
145 IQ I shot indoors as a child if you're 145 IQ then you're probably smart enough to know that that means you probably could have been
147 IQ that's what a that's what or he didn't do it enough. That's what it. That's what a decrease
I have an impact or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing about lead is it's cumulative
Humulative I love that word
That's Lexic stoner to 240 says 1.45 IQ
Ah
All right, so you do this thing let's do this thing
This is great PK 7 is on fire saw that was really good actually cumulative is a fun word it grows on you
That's very good. I love it. That's very good actually outstanding. Yeah
Box C4 T 145 and watching WAN Show. Are we sure about that? I?
Think we drop IQ more than the lead. Yeah, probably no we give high IQers a break
Because everyone needs rest time. That's taking focused rest time. That's true. Okay. We should do this. Yeah
Yeah, I know that FYI at lol, but it's more down range that has high lead concentration
If you're interested yeah instead of debating us because we only sort of tangentially know
I only know from what Alex told me as far as my understanding goes
It's true, and I've looked it up in the past as well I'm just one of the reasons why I've favored outdoor ranges and my grandpa said that and he was around before the internet
And probably got that information from before the internet
Which oddly enough I? Don't know if that makes me believe it more or less
It's weird. I'd believe your grandpa much fake news because if I didn't believe me cut me
That might have been true I'm gonna resume to select it right now
Luke is underwear gone for good what I did not pick select
You
Hey, hi, what's up?
Not much man. Welcome to the WAN Show
We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week. We're gonna be talking about
Tariffs, that's right Price is gone. We're talking about tariffs
We are we must be the only podcast this week discussing tariffs
Yes, and the only podcast hosted by a bunch of white dudes discussing
Tariffs in their 30s Wow
Barely Extremely unique you've got a little bit you got a little bit got a little bit tariffs will still be here when you're out, but you know
also In other news corporations lied what what did apple lied they lied in the epic case
Actually, the epic case has gotten a lot more epic over the last little while
I am I'm pretty excited for this because I had a lot of people hating on me for being like yeah
Not a big fan of Tim Sweeney Not a big fan of fortnight, but they're like fucking obviously right about this and
It turns out Even in America
At least one judge agrees things are about to get very very good for consumers on the App Store
What else we got speaking about things getting the bad in my opinion
About the layoffs or the other layoffs or the AI taking over and then layoffs next try another one AI getting laid off
It's debatable if that's better not next one. I don't know what I NASA getting defunded by 25%
Okay, actually the biggest NASA fanboy right here and
How are you doing? How are you sir? How would you say you're feeling about NASA being defunded by 25%?
Also, they're supposed to go to fucking Mars somehow with their budget cut. Yeah
And but without the stepping stone mission that was supposed to establish everything they needed to go to Mars
How'd you yeah, I'd love to let you finish but
Oh
Shows brought to you by Vessie Squarespace Thoram and of course our rap partner D brand our laptop partner
No, and our chair partner secret lab. Should we jump right into the headline topic?
Yeah, I forget what it is. Ah, yes terrace
Import loophole closes and things are about to cost more you see I think a lot of people didn't fully grasp
the magnitude of the tariffs that are going to be hitting US consumers and a big part of the reason for that is that a
Lot of the new tariffs that have been announced don't sound that big
They don't sound like that much. They don't sound like a huge deal
But here's the thing the big change is not necessarily the amount that the tariffs are or the categories of products that they're on or
Even the source of the goods that are being tariffed the big thing that's going to impact
Consumers in their day-to-day purchases is the elimination of the de minimis
Exemption so the de minimis exemption was
Well, I guess exactly what it sounds like it was an exemption on
incoming shipments that were under the threshold of
$800 and the idea behind it was that these small shipments clearly intended for
Non-commercial use for individual consumers were not worth the hassle of you know dealing with
dealing with handling all these tiny transactions for all of these incoming shipments and also I
Guess a way to reduce prices for individual consumers. So for for years now
There's been the ability for sites like Temu
She and Ali express Hem you. Yeah
I don't know LTT Store calm to ship items that otherwise would have already been tariffed
Into the United States without them being tariffed as long as the total order was under $800
that is Gone I believe yeah, May 2nd May 2nd. So that is gone today
Day and it is already resulting in some pretty interesting
Impacts Temu has said they will no longer sell imported goods directly to consumers
Instead there will be locally based sellers who fulfill the orders
Yeah, this is this is a B2B2C or business-to-business-to-customer strategy that like a lot of people are employing now because of this change now
I'm about to say something that's gonna sound pretty flippin wild
Closing exemptions that mostly benefit fast-fashion and like manufactured e-waste
Maybe not a bad thing I'm kind of okay with that
I mean if that's what they mostly benefit those are things that are bad
so well what who they benefit is is
Importers who are basically, you know burning jet fuel drop shipping garbage sending some like these these these small
pieces of junk over the ocean One at a flipping time rather than consolidating them on container ships
Sending them across the ocean that way and then having them distributed on the other side
however, however, even though I am pretty
Anti-fast fashion. Yeah as a whole like one of our big
core Tenets for LTT Store is that when we make a clothing product when we make an apparel item
It should be made to last and if for whatever reason it doesn't last
There's always the trust me bro guarantee you contact our support and we will do whatever we can to make it right
And and I have I have always been of kind of the mind that you know
Well, what does it matter if these pants are not the current style like have they fallen off me yet?
Well, then I will continue to wear them
But it has become a I think it's fair to say growing plague
Is it fair to call fast fashion to growing so where people are treating clothing as
Being effectively disposable after a couple of wears use it used to be like a couple stores in the mall that weren't necessarily that popular and now it's like
Massive online sites where it seems like genuinely a lot of people do their show which has led to a positive feedback loop where
Sellers are noticing that there is absolutely No benefit to their customer to building something that lasts so they make cheaper and cheaper stuff
Which leads people to have expectations that things should be really cheap because realistically
it's only gonna last a few wears and so on and so on and so forth until we've spiraled into this this
Mindset both on the consumer and on the manufacturer side that all this stuff is basically disposable and is good for you know
Part of one season before it should just be thrown away and there's ideas for how you can solve that
Oh, I'll just I'll just donate all of my own clothes But yeah, you guys have looked into that in the last five to ten years
But the volume of clothing that exists to be donated
vastly exceeds the demand for donated clothing and
As that clothing has gone down in quality that has become a bigger and bigger problem
So, you know to some people who are just kind of
Reflexively against anything that the current US administration does that might sound like a controversial take but
For me it is actually at least on the surface aligned with something that I think is not necessarily a
Terrible idea. I do think
Okay, so that might be the majority of what it targets and so it makes sense cool
I do think there are things that are gonna get cleaved from this that were not under that
So my next words were going to be with that said do you think it would be interesting if something could come through?
de minimis If it had like a really strong
warranty long duration strong warranty um, I don't know how you didn't force that because
Sounds tough to because and this is something that I have I have I have clashed with our audience about before
Yeah, everyone has a different perspective Which is impacted by the people around you the place you grew up what what you've experienced right your life experiences
And when I say things like yeah a warranty is only worth the paper that it's written on
It comes down to the willingness of that company to to honor it
It's because Canada is kind of more like that There's gonna be folks from Australia for instance where they have strong consumer protection laws
And they literally like actually have somebody that they can contact that actually has you know fangs
That can go after these companies and be like hey you I'm actually need to refund them or whatever else so here that
Functionally doesn't really exist practically civil court it as far as my understanding. Yeah, you could you could maybe try to go to small claims
court you could Basically you're gonna end up spending more
Yeah, maybe not in money But certainly in your time to try to get anyone to honor a warranty that they just basically don't feel like
Honoring so that's the perspective that I'm coming at it with and with that in mind
I think companies that have absolutely no intention of in many cases even existing a
Year from now or two years from now or five years from now. They'll be like. Oh, yeah, this
M.2 adapter for a full-size M.2 in the first gen ROG Ally has a one billion years warranty
Yeah, they would just chat GPT a warranty drop ship
One huge thing worth of stuff sell it all once it sold disappear
so Anyway, there's a lot of babies in the bathwater and
Some of the impacts are going to be felt in the electronics industry so
Microsoft has raised the price of consoles games and
accessories Worldwide the two terabyte series X costs more than a ps5 pro for now
We've actually got a handy dandy little table here where you can see
US pricing changes across the board for Microsoft
So let's have a look here the Xbox series s5 12 has gone from two ninety nine to three seventy nine
Series X digital a hundred dollars increase to tear up a two terabyte series X is now
$730 it's interesting to me though that if you keep looking some things didn't change and it's pretty much controllers
I mean some of the controllers did change to the elites. Oh, yeah. No, you're right. Most of them. Yes
The elite controller series to full went up the core did not I'm not sure what the difference between those is so
What I will say is because we've had to go through like because we're not just reading about this in the news
We're we're living through this with LTT Store
is that The way that things are going to change is not necessarily going to be intuitive to the average consumer
Because this is a this is a multi variable function here
So for instance one of the things that happened when we when we split
Oh, so this is this is one of the big things on our side this week is
LTT Store.com is actually now split into two sites
So global dot LTT Store.com will take you to a landing page and
If you are visiting from the United States you click the United States one
And if you are anywhere else in the world you go to the global site
So I'm going to open up both of these because we are an excellent
Seriously, right-click to I want to open in a new tab. Okay, I
Okay, well hold on I'm gonna figure this out global
Okay, hold on forget no It's at the bottom. I know how to navigate this site there
Okay, so I'm on the global site and then I'm also on the US site perfect. Okay, cool
What was I going to say right right so so some stuff is not going to be particularly
Intuitive, let's take t-shirts for instance. I don't know I
Don't know if you know this Luke But t-shirts many apparel items actually have significant tariffs coming into Canada. I didn't know that did you know that no
There's there's other things like housewares for instance
We ran into we actually were had a complaint issued about LTT Store by some
Jackass furniture store of some sort
That was saying that we were we were when we were making those CPU pillows
Remember those alpaca wool CPU pillows. They complained that we were that we were dumping
effectively we were we were like bringing in these pillows and selling them below cost in order to harm like throw pillow
Retailers or something and and and basically they they accused us of like circumventing some kind of import restriction or something like that
And we're like bro This is not furniture, but but furniture is another one that actually has
Has has some tariffs that that impact overseas furniture coming into Canada. So what happened with t-shirts?
So if you look at if you look at the two sites here on the global site our mystery t-shirts are
2499 Canadian and on the US site
Where's our t-shirts? I think they are. Yeah, I believe they're $30. So I'll tell you this much on the whoops on the Canadian site
These shirts are making Significantly less margin and the only reason that they're priced this way
Which is fairly aligned with what they were priced before so 20 US dollars
The only reason that they're priced this way is because we're trying to go a little bit Costco hot dog on them
Where we're trying to make that the t-shirt like a reasonably priced item on the store our cost is now higher on t-shirts because
Hold on and this is about to get crazy The way that it worked before was when we paid duties on the import of t-shirts into Canada before
Because so many of them were going to be sold into a region that was duty exempt and didn't have any tariffs
We effectively were subsidizing our Canadian customers
Yeah with The fact that we weren't going to pay duties on most of it
So we were just absorbing those duties to our Canadian customers saying the line subsidizing our Canadian customers is going to
Make well, I'm about to get into how we're going to subsidize people in other regions as well
All right, don't worry. We're going to get there All right, so we were we were subsidizing the price of t-shirts for our Canadian customers keeping them artificially low
Because the overall amount of duties that we were paying was actually very low on the total shipment that came in because so meant much
Of it was being sold to other regions now. Here's a here's another funny one
some people have noticed that the shipping prices on the global store have been are a little higher and
the reason for that is because once again
America was actually subsidizing our shipping rates to the rest of the world
So they were paying maybe an extra, you know 50 cents and their order volume was so much greater that we could have our shipping rate to you know
Eastern Canada be about three dollars cheaper and there's going to be people out there that like don't believe me that are like
Linus shipping is like $30 on a $30 mouth pad. I was like, yeah, yeah, because it is
Because that's like like go ahead. Go ahead key it into a thing
We don't operate at the kind of volume where we get like way better rates
We can't we can't like walk in with our giant dong
You know sticking down the one of the legs of our pants. It's just
Down to the knee. Okay sticking out there sit down across the table from FedEx
Men spread and go do you have any idea who I am?
But even like no Also like keep it in your pants, brother. Like they don't care. We are nobody you gotta answer with I can't we are nothing to them
Um So now shorts too short now, let's talk about now. Let's talk about what's going on on the US side
Our shirts went up from 20 to 30 u.s. Dollars. So you know why that happened?
Tarifico Tariffs because we decided to lose money on shirts
We are literally losing our shirts on
Printed t-shirts Which what few we have in stock on the US site right now
So you're going beyond Costco hot dog because now not only are we not able to claw back?
the duties that we used to pay on Those Canadian shirts that we then like sold into the US and we're like hmm
Actually, these weren't imported into Canada. These were imported into the US
But the duty is the tariffs that are now due on those shirts make the cost of them
That high Which is going to be which is which is pretty wild
So we are actually subsidizing
Any American who wants to buy a shirt now like keeping them at $30 is
Effectively taking money that we are making in other regions and trying to keep the shirts
somewhat accessible I think this place like directly into the pro-tariff
like Playbook though
Yeah, I mean maybe because the the claim was that they were subsidizing everyone else and now
We are using everyone else to subsidize them, which is exactly what they wanted. I don't know how long we can
I don't know how long we can do that though. Yeah, I don't know how long we can do that
So as you can see we already have less selection on the US store
Like this is this is not sustainable Our hope is that this is a this is a temporary way. We believe that honestly even
I don't know if people are gonna like hearing this, but it really sucks having two stores
And if all of this goes away it is possible that we could go back to one store
I don't know that we necessarily would again. I think that it's rough having two stores internally
Internally the conversation is that you know, we want to we want to do a better job of
Well, okay, I Will add cuz you might have this context, but they don't so I'm gonna add this as well
There is a way to do better localization within one store
So we can have the better localization that people gained from this but have it on one store
but we can't do that right now because of
The weirded stuff that's happening. So if some of the weird stuff that's happening goes away
We could go down to one website, but more localized which would be better for everyone
Yeah, I just I don't know if it's gonna be possible to have the same the same pricing just like
You know Wouldn't yeah, you can you can set different pricing for different regions and all this kind of stuff got it
There's there's other reasons why the store has to be split in half. It's not that interesting. So I'm not gonna bother go over it
But yeah, my order history stuck on the US store. There are casualties with this change
This is one of the reasons why it would be nice to use localization options on one store. Yeah, but we just can't
For for a variety of other reasons of stuff that's going on. So it is what it is some stuff
There's nothing we can do the precision screwdriver is way more expensive now
It's $70 for the bundle of the how much was it?
So the reason and it comes down to it comes down to categories basically, right?
So on t-shirts, right? I already explained we're going slim on both sides
Right and we're trying to we're trying to keep it somewhat accessible so that people can like order a shirt
But on something like the screwdriver It just are the precision screwdriver specifically
They it just it is what it is we to maintain the MSRP that we had before
we'd be selling it at a loss instead of out of profit and
That's that's not an area where we want to Costco hot dog it like I've always been like that about t-shirts
So I think some people are getting a little bit up in arms about you know
Oh subsidize this sell it a loss that t-shirts have always been something that we've gone kind of slim on and I think that's probably
Why you guys are seeing an outsized?
Impact here because we didn't have any room to play with
Like we can't if we were if we were if we were selling into the US
At our old price, which was 1999 for printed t-shirts shirts that are manufactured overseas
But printed here in Canada
We would be losing Yeah, anywhere from like nine to twelve dollars a shirt or something like that USD which is like obviously stupid
Yeah, and then if we hadn't made any adjustments on the Canadian ones
If we'd gone straight if we are sorry, we didn't make any adjustments on the global site
We went to 2499 and that is extremely slim like extremely extremely slim because there's
Functionally very little clawback now because anything that is brought into that inventory pool is destined for
A predominantly Canadian and to a lesser extent global audience
So
Basically the point of going through this was just to kind of talk to you guys about how depending on the category like like apparel
Was impacted in a way that was multifaceted
Multivariable and any assumptions that you know that companies were making in the past about
How the goods are going to flow how the money flows back the other way and what taxes duties and tariffs
are due have Functionally been thrown out the window over the last few months and it's possible that I got a couple details
You know a little off on percentages of markup or margins or whatever else realistically
We have a wonderful team that works through this stuff for us
And you know, it's my job is basically to get a high-level executive summary and go
You know, no, I want to go more aggressive there or no
I really don't think we can absorb that here and kind of you know, provide my guidance for you know
What my tolerance for losses?
You know like if I if if they come to me thing to have guidance on well
Yeah, cuz if they cuz I can tell you right now prices were gonna be higher across both stores before I went through the spreadsheet
I basically went through and I was like no no no no no no no no no no no no lower it
And margins are gonna be pretty slim on both sides. So almost across the board
It's like we've been keeping the key the team strong. We haven't been doing layoffs throughout this
We're not planning on it. Yeah, we're doing good. So that effectively just means he gets less money. Well, yeah, everybody else here is fine
Yeah, so he's just electing to have less money. Well, yeah
Just to frame it because I don't think people got that. I don't know. I thought that was pretty clear
I don't know. I'm just making sure well anyway
I'm not trying to over glaze them anyway, you know what I what I tried to do when I went through and
basically ripped up the proposal that they worked on really hard was
With a couple of exceptions I think there's a couple of items on the global store that went up like a dollar or two
Just because they were gonna end up at like a weirdo price point that didn't make any sense
With just a couple of exceptions the pricing on the global store should be pretty much what it was before or a little bit less and
Then on the US side, I Tried to keep things as close as I could
But understood that you know in cases like the retro monitor pet cave it just
Couldn't possibly make any sense To sell it at the old price and and be losing like very very substantial amounts of money
Here's a game or question every day. I don't know if you want to talk about or not. How are sales on the
US store now, it's it's been 24 hours ish 26
It's really hard to say for a couple of reasons one of them is that as far as I can tell the report is still combined
Oh I'm unsure
Wait, really? I don't know. Is it not? I don't think it would is this just one of the stores because nobody told me that
Which what where are you looking at the report? Uh, I don't know admin dot Shopify.com think that's
One of them. Yeah, this says all channels, right? So is this just what are the difference? I don't know online store
I mean, it's there a separate Shopify dashboard. Is that why I think sales are terrible? I could be wrong
I don't actually know but I would think so Yeah, no, I know about the one for like are you saying they're separate they should be separate it would make sense to me that
They would be separate. Oh for crying out loud. Well, okay, I'll give you two answers. If you didn't know that
I'm assuming it's pretty okay. No. No, it's not. Oh, but
And even if even if global sales are like about what they typically are sales are terrible
Over the last couple of days, but but but but but we did just come out of a huge
I'm not freaking out about that because it's pretty normal to have like a
Hangover. Yeah, as as we'd kind of call it when you have like a big sale event and for the last
Over two weeks, I think we've been running the shipstorm sale event
And we did like I got a I got to thank you guys for your incredible support over the last little while because
We we beat our entire q2 projection
In the first three weeks of april Yeah, yeah, yeah
In terms of revenues it was it was less profitable because we were eating the shipping on orders over 150 dollars
Um, but still like we are we are positioned
To give ourselves time to kind of breathe
Get these two stores launched Reassess and then take any any action that we that we see fit to to make sure that the business
Stays healthy and that we're and that we're doing everything we can to take care of our customers both, you know south of the border and
Throughout the rest of the world because at the end of the day, right? Like the trade war or no trade war like I am not personally at war with LTT Store customers
Right Quite the opposite. Yeah, like not not even a little bit and I don't think an LTT Store customer is like
At war with me. So I think I'm sure there's at least one. I mean
You're being so unhelpful
Just like with the cheese thing
I mean it's for the content So basically, you know, I'd like to think that on both sides
We're gonna in good faith try to you know weather this and I'm already I'm already seeing some cracks forming
In the u.s. Administrations, you know hard line stamps on tariffs. Um, we're already seeing
China potentially rumored to maybe be thinking about possibly coming to the table and and figuring this out. So
I'm just all I can really do like let's face it. Canada is not a global superpower
Right. So all I can really do is kind of sit on the sidelines like I do
And kind of hope that the big kids are going to figure it out and that mom and dad are going to stop fighting
So that ultimately people can get better prices on their fine quality merchandise from lttstore.com and xboxes
Yeah, and also disposable crap from sheen and temu
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's kind of a that's kind of a bigger conversation though, right is like how would you
How would you deal with that? What would be what would be your solution, right? Because it's easy to say like, yeah, this is a terrible implementation
Blah blah blah etc etc, right? But like how how how would you try to change?
A consumption culture that has
Has leaned so heavily into disposability of functionally everything
Like dude, what what are you going to buy in a dollar store anymore if there's you know, 150 tariffs on you know, literally everything that's in there
Like are are you going to go are you going to uh
Destin Destin from smarter every day He made uh, he made a barbecue scraper that's made in america
Just as an experiment to see how bloody difficult it is to to make a barbecue scraper
That is that is made in america to make anything in america
Uh, i'm just gonna i'm just gonna bring it up because I I forget exactly here. It is the smarter scrubber. Here it is
um And what he discovered was that it is flip and difficult. Yeah, here you go for years
I've wanted to make a product a high quality product in america to prove it can be done and compete with overseas
manufacturing and I would say it's pretty clear that he is competing with overseas
Manufacturing in terms of the design and quality What he is not competing with is the price when you have to talk about your barbecue scraper for this long
Before you scroll down and find a price
I guarantee you that it is not going to be a super attractive price
And this is I mean this is the same challenge that we ran into to a degree with the screwdriver screwdriver is a much more complex product
But is priced ten dollars more And that that's what happens when you do your molding in canada when you shoot your plastics in canada
You do final assembly and packaging here in canada. It's amazing
How fast those things add up and there is good news
Um for anyone who is you know worried that the pricing of the LTT screwdriver is going to go up in the states
It's not um, I believe we are Either very close to or we have finished getting it certified made in canada
Which we had a pretty good idea that we could do before just never bothered to go through the work because it didn't matter
Yeah, like we knew we knew how much of the transformative value-added work that we were doing here in canada
Um, but it like it didn't matter from uh from a cost perspective for our customers. So we weren't going to burn cycles on that
But uh, but anyway back to back to the smarter scrubber
Would you buy a barbecue scrubber for 60 us dollars?
Knowing that it could very well last a lifetime and that you'd never have to buy another one
But knowing that you'd be spending 60 dollars for a barbecue scrubber How much is an alternative barbecue scrubber as a person who does not own a barbecue?
Okay. Well, I don't know. I am a fellow Monitored owner
What is god? I hate this website I
Trash I love these like absolutely could be solved by an AI. Oh my god, but we're farming you for training
Uh Little widget things. Is it that one? Yeah, it's this one
Okay Is this like a cup? Is this a bowl of noodles? Like what am I even doing? It's so good. Oh my god. Stop train our AI for access to this website
Please. Yeah, I know right Hey barbecue scrub daddy barbecue brush somebody said
One-piece portable multifunction outdoor barbecue. I wouldn't buy I'm assuming it has lead or something from there
Well, I can hold on a second. I could literally buy 30 of these though
I could buy an actual platoon of
One-piece portable multifunction outdoor barbecue cleaning tool for the price of one smarter scrubber
And i'm not saying that you should I'm just saying that you could
Yeah Yeah
And and look I don't actually need your answer because it doesn't really matter
It's not really the point the point is that in general it's a lot consumers have answered that yeah over the last 30 years
And you'll have you'll have the loud people Um, and I tend to like those loud people and prefer to think the way that they do but that'll be like oh, I'd rather
Buy less things but by quality things that I will be able to keep for a long period of time or whatever
um But most people don't do that
Cody n7 do you have a source for this? I said there was a store owner who kept getting told that people will spend more for made in america products
So he went through the process of finding us suppliers then listed both on the website made in america and made in china with a 10
Percent price delta and almost nobody spent the extra money to buy the us one
Uh, do you do you have a source for that? um
I made it up. Yeah, probably Free freelancer
Athena did a made in us side by side search afina showerhead tariff
You know what? I'm gonna get you guys. I'm gonna get you guys to look that up
um Okay, would you pay 30 times the price for your barbecue scrubber knowing it's safer?
Uh, if I thought the other one had lead in it. Yeah, no, no
I'm like the the little bristles can come out and they can like get in the meat and they can actually be dangerous if ingested
I am personally kind of of the mind that you have to be like kind of not very careful
to not like notice that but But I mean, hey, I thought that you could melt like regular cheddar cheese from, you know, cosco on a burger
Some things are really hard. Can't that's impossible. Some things are incredibly difficult and uh, I think you need to understand that
Okay, that's fair. That's fair Just because you have your
$700 barbecue scrubber and have never experienced a bristle in your life
Doesn't mean that there aren't others out there on the grind set dealing with these problems every day
Almost die in our kody and seven says my memory was incorrect. It's almost double the price for made in america
So, yeah, I could that makes more sense. It was the afina showerhead. Okay
So that's apparently the one that uh, that koti was referring to and I found the source
So we ran an ab test, wow, that's actually that's actually really interesting
Uh add to carts asia add to carts usa
Whoa
We tested everything zero purchases color copy layout
We ran it over multiple days in traffic sources same outcome every time for a moment. We thought we'd made a technical error
We hadn't Man this is uh zero purchases usa is
Wild That's surprising to me actually I I genuinely
Would have expected You know what? I bet it is I bet it's the product category because if it was like a gun or something
Right like if it was something that because it's like a water purifier so they don't
Or isn't a shower head or something. I think it's a shower head water purifier, isn't it afina. What do they make?
Filtered shower head. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So it's some it's some filtered shower head
That makes my hair nicer that realistically people. I don't have a hair. Well. No, I don't I don't my god
Don't can you not generalize you can they call it a bald eagle for a reason like us?
We don't actually want to be assimilated
Annexed whatever. No, I Realistically, I'm saying that they're buying
Like you know products they think are gonna last and standing behind things that are made
I'm not against that purchasing style to be completely. No, I'm just saying I'm just saying that I don't like it if anything
I don't think there's anything particularly that speaks to the to the american identity about a shower head
Whereas I think if you were gonna make it a barbecue scrubber, I think you'd probably get more than zero sales
Yes, I do agree like you you take a you know, it's fourth of july
You do a $10 discount on your $60 barbecue scrubber. You have a compelling sales pitch behind it
It's safer. It doesn't have these bristles. You put an american flag on the back of it
I think you can actually sell a few of those But I think the difference is that this is clearly a commodity item in the eyes of the people who were shopping for it
And when it comes to a commodity item, I could certainly see people having less brand loyalty
I mean, I certainly have less brand loyalty for things. I perceive to be a commodity
Like I I I I have been I've spent my entire life
Completely bewildered by people who have a preference for gas station
Like I have a preference for gas station. You have a points program. Nope costco. Nope
Why It's it's just I I think they're they're cool. It's a clover hill. It's where we sold those berries that one time
Oh my god Okay, that's different. I'm talking about like multinational literally one chain gas stations
You can't even pay at the pump. There's a little sign that apologizes for it
They're like the the pump upgrade is really expensive. So if you could just come pay inside, they'll be great
So so I go pay inside for my gas and they have little like homemade muffins that you can buy and stuff
They still sell DVDs I
And I don't exclusively go there, but I like I like it's it's like uh willow video
I like bringing my business. No, that's totally fine, but it's also not what I'm talking about at all and you know it
Um So any who?
Like I I I can definitely I relate to people not really having a preference when it comes to
Commodity. Okay. So how do you how do you what how do you because this is an over a hundred dollar item?
No, no, this is a very cheap item. Are we talking about barbecue scrubbers or what? Oh the filters. Hmm
Well, how much is it the the cheap one the manufactured in asa asia one is a hundred and twenty nine dollars
And the other one's like 250. Uh, let me see if I can find it
To so a hundred twenty nine dollars remain a made in asia and a hundred two hundred and forty dollars are made in usa
Okay, it's about about double the price. Yeah, um
Oh man, yeah, I guess that's another factor too is it's not just the it's not just the percentage difference in price
It's the actual Like raw dollars
Like I am paying right now out of my pocket
for American labor
But realistically they're people I've never met
To have the same shower head. Do you think the way that they ran it?
Twisted it at all because I'm looking at this and I see I see this one
Same design two options you choose made in usa or asia and they have a little flag for made in usa and stuff this this may okay
cool, but then you see the actual cart page And made in the usa is the default selection for one
Uh for two it shows three hundred dollars slashed out to one twenty nine
Um, and then there's like Important note the quality is identical regardless. This might even be true
But I'm just wondering if it if it twists things the quality is identical regardless of where the shower head is manufactured
While our usa made shower head is indeed made in the united states
Some of the materials used are still sourced from other countries as they are not available in the usa and that
Almost like has to be true when it comes to certain like minerals or whatever else. Yeah, that is what it is
But I could I could see that impacting I could yeah, I could see that impacting
I think that I think that if they were slightly less
Transparent in the running of their exercise. They might have gotten more it might have been a less
Honest presentation, but it might have been a better experiment if that makes sense
Maybe yeah, because I most people that I know of that are buying nationally are buying nationally because of quality
More than anything. Mm-hmm But then do you really have doubts about the raw quality of like, uh, you know a copper tube
Before it was, you know bent into a faucet or whatever it is some people do some people do I
I guarantee you some people do yeah, but then I mean like the whole like
Like chinese steel versus whatever other steel argument. I have no idea if that's real or not
I know nothing about it, but I've heard those phrases But wouldn't you rather somebody tell you like hey if anyone else says that they're using american this they're they're not it like
isn't the thing Like it does seem like the more honest way to present it. No, I I prefer it being presented this way to be clear
I'm just saying I I wonder if that
Change anything I also think it's interesting that made in asia is selected by default
Um, well, didn't they say they tried they tried different different forms. They don't show it. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair
Um, either either way this graph is crazy. Sorry one last one
You can't even like see it
It looks like the whole graph is just on the left, but no there's there's two more columns here two separate additional columns right here
Yeah, one of them is just not actually existent because it's at 0.00
But it's there's the section is there
That's wild. Did you see um, do you see sony just like increased prices everywhere to uh
To subsidize the u.s. Yeah, and to pay for the tariffs that way this is this is I my problem with that
Is if you're trying to go against it in Mexico is going to pay for it. Yeah
If you're trying to go against the whole idea
You're you're playing into exactly what the one of the taglines was at one point in time
Which is that America was subsidizing everywhere else
um, and now A lot of companies are flipping that
Which is theoretically what they wanted, right? So if you're trying to go against it, you're you're playing into what they wanted just to make this completely clear
We have not increased prices
On our global store to account for tariffs. We have increased prices on our u.s. Store
There is one key difference and that's uh, that's something that I talked about on the shipping side where because we were
Consolidating all of our shipments and routing them through the u.s
Our u.s. Costs were quite a lot lower But our international costs were a lot higher to the point where we would basically sell nothing
internationally before and so Yeah, we did play we did play some games with the with the shipping costs a little bit to help kind of
Balance the playing field a little bit and I think maybe that's something that
Is going to be upsetting to some people and I again back to what I was saying earlier about everyone having their different perspectives
That's something I'm really used to And so maybe that's something that I kind of dropped casually
And for other people it was like a complete bomb because
Like for instance, uh, my my first exposure to this concept was when I started working at ncix
And I learned that any postal code with a zero in it
Is a super expensive postal code. Did you know that? No
They're rural And so at ncix the way that our the way that our pricing algorithm worked for shipping
was that we would subsidize zeros
with urban postal codes Because otherwise
Literally if someone ordered a computer case for a hundred dollars, they could pay
$350 in shipping because that's just what it's driving a huge box out to the countryside
And in the interest of you know equity and making sure that you know other people in the country have access to computer parts
at all Scrappy DP 601 378 rural that also isn't a postal code for crying out loud. That is a zip code
Okay Wow
I love Our american friends
I really do But you are not the only country in the world
What it really It really does
Like wow seemed to be a uniquely
American thing to just get very confused sometimes
By things that are not america Like when we're traveling overseas like at computex or whatever and we upload videos at different times of the day
It I don't it's a funny thing because it is almost exclusively people in the eastern time zone
That are like what are they doing posting a video? It is this time and you I you ID yourself by telling me what time it is where you are
And it's never the it's never west coast. It's never central time. It's always east coast
predominantly usa that just have
absolutely Like no concept or other time zones and it's funny because I get it
You're not used to it Like do you remember when a hotly anticipated television program?
To be to be lifted up second character being a zero indicates a rural region. Yeah
Yeah, I know. Okay. Anyway, um, I was telling them. Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right
Okay, so do you remember when you were a kid and some hotly anticipated?
Yeah, you just did the america thing
I did Yeah, I was talking to them and you were like, I know
Oh, okay Sorry, I thought you were telling me
No, you're good. I don't care. I just think it's funny So do you remember when you were a kid and there'd be an a hotly anticipated television event? Sure. Yeah, okay, and they'd be like
at You know
6 p.m um 4 p.m. Central
And they wouldn't even bother with the pacific time zone. Literally. We've spent our whole lives
We're just used to minus three having to having to do minus three hours on everything
And so I understand how people who live in that particular time zone whether they're american or canadian
But they're not So postal codes are not zip codes and do not work the same way. I do not
I do not purport to know anything about how zip codes work because I'm not american and I don't care
It doesn't really matter But I learned many years ago that in canada
That zero indicates a rural postcode to be clear when working for a canadian retailer shipping to canadians
yes And so so that was my that was my first sort of that was my first introduction to the concept of
Oh my god, if we don't do anything to try to level the playing field out a little bit here
We are basically just cutting off a very very significant portion of the country from being able to order from us
at all And so yeah Like and it was a small amount like literally on the order of pennies because most people do live in those urban centers
So almost no impact to most people but a significant positive impact to the people for the handful of people that are
That are on on the outside You know, you know realistically, you know, like farming the food that we all need to eat in these urban centers, right?
Like it's this is this is about this is not about, you know
Taking advantage of someone this is about making sure that we are doing enough for people who are not in a not in a fair situation
Right because that's just the reality of it. That's what fuel costs
Right, they weren't going that way anyway So
So that's how much it costs, right? Um
What are we talking about
What do you want, uh No, I
The problem is this is a good question because I have no idea. I think xbox stuff. Yeah tariffs xbox stuff
What about it? I think that's what we're talking about. Oh, yeah, sure. I think that's our topic still
Oh, yeah, Dan. Should we do another topic? What are we supposed to be doing? What even is this show? I don't know
I mean, yeah, you were talking about how xboxes are more expensive because there's tariffs and then now we're talking about
Well, I think the real question is who's buying xboxes and therefore who cares
See, that's a pretty good point. They're putting their games up too. That's a pretty good point
And actually, oh man owns them. So thanks nintendo dude. I dude. I forgot
I actually forgot that I had wanted to um shift to that as an angle for this conversation
How long do you think microsoft's been waiting for an excuse to increase pricing?
How long do you think sony's been waiting for an excuse to increase pricing if
If the u.s. And china and everyone else just kind of kumbaya's and is all like everything's good forget it
What are the odds those prices drop?
If at all it will give me my odds give me my odd ceremonious I think they might drop but they'll drop by a very small amount
I don't think they will return chat says zero percent. I think it's got to be close to zero percent that they would return
Never happens. It's just this is the problem with
trade pours Because then it just becomes all profit. I mean, this is what we went through. We're never it's never going to be the same
This is what we went through with the great GPU shortage Yeah, they literally just
Never came back down a top of the line GPU is still
$2,000 msrp and realistically goes for
Considerably more than that. Yeah Yeah, it just never went back down as soon as customers
Will show that they're willing to pay, you know $25 instead of $10 for those sheen pants. They're gonna be like, oh
Neat Until somebody else potentially lowers it in the GPU market there
Was and is no actual competition there. So they can just keep it up forever
But I mean, I almost feel like this should be like a weekly segment, but uh this week on
Intel watch. Oh, yeah Yeah, man. Here's a b580 onyx odyssey. I don't I don't know who the heck onyx is and that that video the dear
Intel ceo guy is really good more people should watch it, but it's very good
Yeah, views on the channel
Extremely based. Yeah based conclusion. I I
Was really happy with how that ended to be completely honest. It was an extremely satisfying way to end that
Um Ploos was sick Absolutely sick. I gotta say
I don't want to spoil it, but davids was
Yeah Art It was art. So I want to cinema. That's what people say. It was cinema. I I love kino. What kino kino
Good job. Is that what people say? That's above cinema
Do people say that? Kino a lottery
No idea Okay, did you make this up or is this a thing? No, this is a thing. This is a thing
Um Absolute cinema absolute kino though, but people say kino kino
I can't tell if he's being real or not kino is cinema in german apparently. Yeah, it's better than absolute cinema. Okay
Um, why don't we do another why don't we do another topic? It's a real thing
Is tim apple going to jail?
That is a that is an extreme. I think I just got click baited on my own document
no, but
Apple Inc and at least one senior executive could be facing criminal investigations after being found in willful violation
Of a 2021 injunction that was a result of the apple versus epic games case
Man the apple glazers during that whole time were just insufferable. It was rough. It was extremely hard basically
man, do you have any idea how many accounts with like
apple cartoon Like profile pictures that I had to ban over the over that like six to 18 months that nobody would talk about anything
But apple versus epic not enough
It was it was wild it was like dude
Like I would read the comment. I'd be like It can't be yep
Apple here it goes again cartoon profile picture I like I couldn't believe how strong the correlation was
And i'm not saying that absolutely everyone who uses those profile pictures
Is a dufus. That is not the case I'm just saying that there was a strong correlation between dufuses and people who had those profile pictures
There were lots of people who use those profile pictures who were not dufuses
Just there were a lot who were um, it's a fun required caveat. But anyway, anyway
Yeah, it was it was really it was really tough to sit through because
It's like I get you want to cheerlead your favorite corporation that like, you know
Wants all the money from your wallet and doesn't care about you at all beyond that like I get it
I I understand the the urge to to cheer for corporations. But it was very obvious
Like how how antitrust apple was being and all of this
And how you might not agree with epic about everything, but how very
Obviously correct they were at least in spirit
Even if the letter of the law did protect apple to a significant degree
Anyway, apple is Finally getting a smackdown laid on them for all of that in an 80 page ruling filed this week
us district court judge evan gonzalez rogers found that
A few things here apple is in willful violation of the 2021 injunction
found that to hide the truth vice president of finance alex roman outright lied under oath
and That neither apple nor its counsel corrected the now obvious lies
They did not seek to withdraw the testimony or have it stricken although apple did request that the court strike other testimony
Thus apple will be held to have adopted the lies and misrepresentations to this court. Damn
Damn Dang the judge doesn't pull any punches and the ruling is full of quotable lies like
This is an injunction not a negotiation
Whoo, I need another one of those. Sorry dang apples continued attempts to interfere with competition will not be tolerated
There are no do-overs once a party willfully disregards a court order
The ruling also makes it clear that apple ceo tim cook can't make any claims that he didn't know what was going on and notes that
Cook chose poorly
Uh, the ruling also details multiple ways that apple thwarted the injunction's goals including a new
27 commission on outside sales. Oh, I guess we've never really updated you guys on what exactly it was
So the one thing that epic like one outright was that apple couldn't stop app developers from directing users to an outside payment processor
They did say look epic You guys can't just like build your own payment processor into the fortnight app or you know any other app
But yeah, you can direct people to an outside payment processor But so so the way that apple like got around it was they were like, okay, sure you could do that
But we're going to take a 27 commission on that
Which would amount to a three percent discount compared to just paying the 30 to apple
Which is not a discount at all because you're probably going to be paying three percent or more to any payment processor
That you're going to be using off of apple's platform. You can vouch for that, right? Is that what about what we pay on Floatplane?
Yeah, it sounds very yeah So basically what apple did was they introduced a brand new fee that made it not economically viable to use an outside payment processor
They also added ui changes and limitations to mislead users and scare tactics
Like full-screen warnings when the user tried to click through to an outside payment solution
The court has referred this issue to the usa for the northern district of california to determine to the usa
Probably i think they mean court for the northern district of california to determine if criminal prosecution is warranted
Apple says they will appeal the ruling but in the meantime has up started has updated app store guidelines to allow links to external payments
Which affects us that is so much better for us because you guys might not realize this
But the reason that it sucks so much to manage your subscription from within the iOS app
Is that apple doesn't allow us to do that within the app unless we pay them a 30 commission and we're not allowed to tell people why
We're literally not allowed to explain. What's happening literally weren't allowed to tell people why let's go
Got him This is actually so good even if it's literally just to tell people that was all i really wanted
We had our app pulled from the store Because it was like
We tried to tell people the same way that netflix does
And they said no and then i screenshot netflix's version, which i just
Sorry netflix directly ripped off And they were like no and you can't use outside comparisons
i was like What does that even mean so we we had to just take everything back
and then We got a ton of users
Telling us that we were being evil because we were trying to hide people being able to cancel their subscriptions
Which sucked because we really just wanted to tell people how and why
if we weren't allowed so I don't know um usa us attorney for the northern district of california. That was what they abbreviated here. Yeah, this is good
Yeah, this is fantastic App makers including stripe and spotify have already updated their apps to take advantage of the new guidelines
While others like patreon and proton have announced They are working on doing the same with proton ceo and yen announcing a price cut of up to 30 for iOS users because
Yeah, it turns out the app store fee was just a tax
It was an apple tax literally the apple tax
um, and You know what? I get that apple wants to make a profit on the you know the platform that they built and
They should make a profit on the platform that they built
It's called the like $1500 that it costs for a freaking iphone pro max. That's the profit apple
You made the profit
And if someone wants to use your payment processor
Then by all means provide that as a service all epic was ever asking was for competition
In payment processors payment processors should not be locked in. I mean
And again, I I I fully comprehend the apple glazer argument. Well apple apple built the street
Right, they built the street that you set up your shop on so then you should use
Their payment processor, but but it's like what if we do actually seriously though?
What if we take that what if we take that into the real world?
right So because my because my local government
You know paves a freaking road and then like I you know, I I lease my shop there
Do I have do I have to use their their pick? Do I have to source all of my goods from them as well?
Like what is this communism? Like what are we actually even talking about here? No, why should I have to use someone's payment processor?
Like yeah, the software is running on their hardware But show me an analog you have to pay an annual fee to have an app on the app store
Yeah, they really wanted they can up they could up that but then there would be competing stores
So when I also make the road
You know, yeah, it's a terrible comparison. I'm over it. I can understand
My analogy sucked I can understand needing to benefit the platform that you're using to some degree
Um, but then there's going to be competition there. Okay guys. I'm joking. I know oh man Linus sees capitalist greed
What is this communism? No? Oh No, I know I know is is joke is joke sees anything you don't like goes is this coming? Okay?
Okay, look the point is no
Just because apple happens to own the land on which I operate my store does not mean that they get to 100
Dictate the terms of what I can sell in my store and you know, what services that I can use in order for
In order to take payment from people no
And now that is it's a rough analogy. Just don't worry about it now. It's locked
There that's all you need to know is that now you can expect your in-app purchases on iOS devices to be more affordable
And if google's smart they're going to look at this and go And make sure that they're aligned with it. Hopefully that happens
Slack messages here handyman has been saying that there's more to this story
Including some crazy slack messages Uh
Tim sp says there are some malls which try to force vendors to use certain payment processors
So they can do whole mall gift certificates. So one thing that does break down in that particular example is that customers can use cash
They have the option of using something else on the app store
That was epics whole argument is that you only have one
Choice and you don't even so much as have the ability to put up a little sign that says hey, there's a you know
3% discount to use cash
You have no choice whatsoever
There that's actually a much a much much better way of illustrating the problem here
So apparently these internal slack messages are are just about like the language of different things this one says
Um, the employee who said that some of the draft language for leaving the app to pay for something
Uh, didn't sound scary enough and they wanted to scare users a bit. Um
To raise questions and hesitancy when clicking on that's amazing
stuff That's hilarious in slack communications
Like continuing on the web you will leave the app and be taken to an external website
Because external websites sound scary. So execs will love it
That's hilarious It's amazing how just like
Yeah, duh, but also just yeah, like they actually like they are exactly as
I will also say though like if
If you're surprised by that like damn dude That level of stuff is happening at these companies all the time every day. Yeah every day
I mean honestly like to a certain degree if you just want to compete well and be a like reasonably smart company
You're making decisions like this. Okay, smash champs when we designed our internal flow for how people walk in and out of the building
Exit through the gift shop. It's like the most classic business thing ever
Yeah, there we have another door that we could have used that people could walk straight onto the court and we barred it
Because we want people to walk through the pro shop And walk past the concession area before they can get to the courts
And then we want them to walk past the concession area and through the pro shop before they can leave the courts
This is this is very standard. That is business 101. That was yeah, that those messages. Like yeah, they're bad
I guess but that's I'm very not surprised. I've seen way worse
Well, they're bad because of the monopolistic nature. That's what's bad
Totally, but think about like the the tesla stuff when they're like sharing footage from people's cars and stuff
Like we've seen way worse things. We've talked about way worse things on the show before but like but the key
The key. No, I get it. It's bad. I get it is the monopoly. Totally. That's the key
Yeah, and they're trying to push the monopoly monopoly anyways despite losing the thing by using scary language and stuff like that
I'm not saying it's good. I'm not saying it's good I'm just saying we've seen a lot worse. And if that's like surprising to you like dude
Businesses do be due in business top gear 12 24 says they do force vendors
Not try to customers don't have the right to use cash Most places are cart only because they don't want to deal with cash walking off
But that's that's not the same thing. That's not the venue dictating that customers can't use cash
That is the store Deciding not to take cash which benefits his argument. Yes. That is exactly what I was saying the store should have a choice
There should be a lower cost Alternative and that can absolutely be a reasonable choice, especially in like high crime areas
Absolutely, if you want to have a little sign up that says no cash on premises and you want it to be real
You need to not take cash Yeah
Oh are people mad at me about my uh about the exit through the gift shop thing. Oh, actually no not too bad
Not too bad The pro shops doing great by the way. Yeah, in case anyone's wondering. I noticed you guys were low on rackets
Which is a good thing. Yeah, well and a really bad thing. Yeah, you got to get more
But it's a good sign that you're actually selling them. Are we working on an update for the Floatplane app?
Uh, well, yeah okay
It'll be a bit. Yeah, cool And realistically, it's less of an impact for us because we already were not charging a 30 apple tax because we literally just that's not
There's not compatible with our business model at all
Um, it was not going to be a thing like Floatplane does not if we if if we were just like, yeah
Uh 30 of gross receipts. Here you go apple
The What would have been what would have been left loop? It's already a thing that splits multiple ways
Splitting it another way is like yeah, because it splits between the creator and the platform, right?
And also the payment processor, which we like still have to pay. Um, so
So that's why you can't subscribe in the app. That's why you can't unsubscribe in the app
So we've just had people sign up on the website like on the web and then just like
Use their account to sign into the app. That's the only way we've been able to do it
So it'll it'll work like that until such time as we can get it updated
Um This is interesting. Yeah context menu says in the uk they're talking about introducing legislation to maybe force companies to accept cash
As digital payment methods are disproportionately impacting older people who still use cash as their primary or only payment method
Yeah, it's not just elderly like maybe that's kind of the the spin on it in the uk
But I know that over here um
A lot more of the people that I've encountered who are like cash only people are more uh, like they don't trust banks or they
um Yeah, mostly comes down to like not trusting banks or not wanting their purchases tracked
Like it's kind of more of a privacy argument And I I see it. I see it both of those ways both from like an accessibility
And from a like privacy standpoint
The challenge though is like man
Like have you seen some of those some of those wild tick talks of like
McDonald's restaurants that have been turned into freaking fortresses
Because they're in these like super high crime rate areas and they're like everything's barricaded off and stuff
Like oh dude, I I wouldn't I wouldn't want to handle cash if I was working in a place like that
So I don't really know how to reconcile that man
um
I don't have a solution I I definitely see this one both ways personally I
I have been I've been almost zero cash for so long that someone handed me a one dollar coin
Someone handed me a loonie the other day and I was like, well, this is really light
Because it turns out they actually changed the composition of them since the last time I held one
Like I just I just do not use cash anymore
But I definitely understand why some people prefer it
There is at least one place that I go decently often that only takes cash
Which is really annoying Is it that gas station you like? No. Okay. Yeah
Uh, oh haircut please. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that
I mean during covet most of the cash only places like the holdouts
Um switched to taking digital payments. Um people them. Yeah dealing with cash at that time was yeah stuff
I'm not sure how to read this People are saying that the apple thing only applies to american stores
Yeah for now Yeah, but that means we would not be able to update
We couldn't be for american customers. That's what I'm trying to figure out. So the the line is
Link to other purchase methods developers may apply for entitlements
Apply keyword to provide a link in their app to a website the developer owns or maintains
Uh responsibility for in order to purchase digital content or services. So sure no problem. We could link to the flip links website
That's fine. Yeah, these entitlements are not required for developers to include
Buttons external links or other calls to action in their united states storefront apps. I genuinely don't know what that means
I might just be dumb I mean we can always try these entitlements are not required
For developers to include buttons external Oh, so you don't have to apply if you're a us store, but you can apply if you're not a us store
All right, well, we'll see what happens. So we can apply But they might just say no
Or just never respond to it Nice, I could absolutely see that being a thing. Well. Yeah, especially now that uh, they're internal slack messages and emails and everything get
Perused. Yeah, um on a seemingly somewhat regular basis around this. Yeah
Should we Should we have we only done two topics already? Yeah
Is that you seem pretty cool You seem unfazed by that
I have a heart out from you. So
They were on track to make that we're quite far from the heart out the heart outs
Well, actually, I think this in gold. I think my heart out time might have also been wrong
So that's something what what is the actual heart out? Have we been bamboozled? Well, see I don't um been lied to
I don't know deceived Okay, technically I think I'm supposed to be somewhere at eight
But I also don't really like what it's not it's not that hard though. We were told your heart out was nine
It's kind of soft. It's soft. Okay. Let's do some merch messages. We're still fine free heart out
We're still fine. Um, that's where I swear this has never happened before
um You can go you can go grill some cheese. I'm stealing this from true. It's true. He's joke. Oh, I'm taking it. It's mine now
Oh, get on chewy Really fine. No, I'm not doing it. Do you explain merch messages? I'm on temporary strike
Uh, if you go on. Oh, is it on both? I don't remember
Uh, do merch messages work? Hold on people are sending them right Dan. Yep. Well, okay, then they must work. They work. Yeah, they're on both sick
Good job. Oh, jeez. What a wizard. Oh, look at this guy. Amazing. Look at how they do it stuff
There isn't one hundred not everything's absolutely perfect Like you can't Floatplane sign in on the global store and stuff like that, but like it's pretty it's pretty good
It's you got time constraints. It's pretty good. Uh, but yeah, merch messages
You go on LTT Store global or not add something to your cart and in the cart
You will see this box right here if you click the little check there
You can send a message and it will appear at the bottom of the screen and that guy up there
Might respond to it or he could curate it for probably Linus, but one of us to respond to you
There's a curated one for you this week. Yeah, but you have to go to the bathroom or something. Oh, I can do that
That's still the lines with what I said
Have fun wee weeing
Okay Oh
So luke, what's up? What are your thoughts?
on That that right
Now I'm on top of you Question for luke. What are your thoughts on the legitimacy of the why is when late series considering?
The judge is under the payroll of one of the contestants. I've raised this as a concern multiple times
This is this is a problem. I think I think not only is that a problem
But I think the judge's natural inclination towards interesting content instead of legitimacy and accuracy
Brings to question the the results when the results lean towards someone who
Has a proven history and has an extreme record of precedence for not showing up on time
And somehow even when he doesn't show up on time still gets marked as a win. It's it's it's uh
It's concerning to be to be clear
I would agree completely the problem is that we don't have anybody to complain to because he also pays our bills. Yeah
stuff It's a tough one
How much you can do about it? Oh, no, please send his minions. I thought you were gone
I am an umpire Sammy come and defend your honor
I am unbiased and wise manly. I didn't realize it's not even six yet
I keep it professional. I have high morale. Is it what is it? Yes. I have high
Standards for myself. There you go morals morals. I have good. I have morals, but you wouldn't say high. You say like strong morals
I have strong morals. There you go. Sure Describe the full plane
Most of them are I got like jump scared by Sammy
Wait, you I he just appeared It's just orange probably ran
That was wild whoof um, so that's that definitely sells at the days is uh
Definitely weighted towards Linus Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally at least a little bit totally totally totally at least a little bit. I'm still gonna win though
Yeah, because you're actually here. Yeah, I was just a point I was early today. I got a new work laptop and I'm literally thinking like I'm just gonna
Schedule the show up like way early and just work on set. We could have been on time today, but he was talking about cheese
I even gave it a countdown I gave a countdown on everything
I reminded you weren't we late. We were late because he wouldn't listen to me
I had this thing It was we had we were gonna be on time perfectly for the first time for like ever
That's funny Tinker watch says it should be a Vaughn that is in charge of wise way and late. Um, that's worse
Honestly, no. Oh, yeah, that's right
No knowing of what she would probably vote for me
To the point where it might be unfair the other way. Yeah, I want my husband home. She spent time with his family
It should be luke's mom. No, uh I love my mom. She would definitely vote for me more often
Yeah, that would it would be unfair I don't I don't know why it's not me because you know when you parked illegally in the handicap spot sideways the other week
Both of you left to go and insult each other outside
Leaving me alone with still no title or thumbnail
So I think you both lost on that one because he could have stayed here
Done the title and thumbnail and then it really would have been your fault for making us late
Did he did he not lose on that one? I think he thought he lost but
We were more late because of your antics
We should have both lost on that one. I don't know I'm okay with us both losing. I don't know
Oh, it's my turn for the I don't know There you go
The handicap spot. That's not cool. I didn't even realize it was there. I'm sorry. I'm that's how little he cares
Oh my god
My god
He's just very loudly getting snacks. I mean, I think he's trying to make it louder
Can you guys hear that I'm convinced he's trying to make it louder
Why is this such a process You can come back now
How many snacks you just two bags of chip for all that noise they're a mixed don't judge me
Why was this so much noise though? You wanted specific bags and you had to dig for them
Yeah, it's like a
Well, I'm not going to just take a random flavor of chips
I knew something was going on. We're not even calorie worthy if they're not the right flavor. That's true
I still I don't even agree that that's the right flavor still but you sea salt malt vinegar kettle chips
Is not the right plate the boxes that we get
Don't have the right my cheese my cheese takes are no longer the most controversial food. Mr. He's jalapeno is definitely the best
Well, we don't have that though. That's what i'm saying. I don't think the boxes have the best flavor
What are you even talking about that? I don't think any of them are calorie worthy
Nobody wants plain chips. I didn't say plain chips
It's misspeaking jalapeno
Why do you love submarines so much instead of plain chips? They don't even fit in our products
Oh, man, someone should
Plain chips that's actually yeah, that's that's solid
That's solid. Um, what are we supposed to be doing right now? You're gonna do a merch man. No, you're gonna read it
There's your there's your consumable brand. But you were doing one merch message the whole time. I was gone
I don't think we even did one. Yeah, that was the merch message. Oh, that was I thought you just asked me that
No, that was the merch message. We did a merch message. Good job. They specifically wanted line us not here
Um, uh, now you do an announcement. Did they ask for that? Yes
Huh, wait, so That was oddly convenient. I can do announcements
We told him to leave and then he did. Oh, I thought he just went to the
No, I space
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okay So we're supposed to watch from 9 14
to 9 30 One second here. Let me just fire this up
I have not watched this yet either am I about to see something
More what can you smile like a maniac? Okay? Yeah, yeah, like ha ha ha like mad scientist
He honestly did a really good job with that stop it. There you go. He did a really good job with that
He actually killed it
It was great
Okay, I don't know what to do
I scared people in a restaurant recently
There he goes, okay, perfect I went up for lunch with lucas and nick from the lab to do like a Labs leadership lunch thing
And I don't remember what was said, but somebody said something and I got a good one in and like
everybody jumped and I I like Apologized
Are you in Langley, vietnamese? No, okay Uh, where were you guys should I be embarrassed if I go somewhere like do they know do they know we're affiliated?
Uh, probably not. Okay, cool. I don't remember the
Ruby's I am okay Never been there. Yeah, cool. Yeah, all right. Yeah, there are certain restaurants locally that like
A lot of LMG creator warehouse Floatplane staff go to
Where they like, you know, know You know who we all are. Yeah, you know, yeah, but they also probably wouldn't have been surprised by you. So no
Yeah, they would have experienced it already Anyway, um, you can check this all out at LMG.gg
Slash Floatplane or on our members page on youtube if that's more your cup of tea. All right Dan
What are we supposed to be doing another message? Oh, did we not do the second one yet? No good lord. All right. Hit me
Hi, I recently watched your home server room build videos and was wondering why you did not
Install a water-to-water heat pump to increase the heat that you take out of that room and put into the pool
okay, so For starters
That would have been harder I mean with all the various iterations of what we ultimately ended up doing it
Wouldn't have been harder would have been much easier to just do it properly in the first place
um, but what I was hoping was that I wouldn't have to
Expend electricity on the heat exchanging situation other than just pumping the water
Um, and I have discovered that no in fact that will not be easily very possible. So
I currently don't actually believe that anyone who mentions heat pumps on the internet is not a technology connections watcher
I have basically decided this anytime anyone mentions heat pump. I'm like, I'm just confused that people
like didn't like It was like years and years ago
That I just like read some like basic article that was like air conditioner versus heat pump versus radiant heating
Like this is probably like 20 years ago or something like that. It was like
Heat pump is the best and I was like, okay heat pump is the best and then I've just been kind of sitting around
Like waiting as people like figure this out
Like it seems like this has just been a known quantity for like a really really long time
Like when we were talking recently about how they have been kind of demonized in germany on wancho
Remember that and I was like what demonized of what what who doesn't like efficiency. There there are they're not perfect
The germans apparently they shut down all the nuclear plants
Yikes
So anyway, I found the whole thing kind of confusing because I thought just like
Everyone knew that heat pipes are kind of sick, but it seems like a lot of people still don't know that
Yeah, anyway, so heat pipes
No, I did not learn about them on technology connections, but I love I love that
I love that he talks about them a lot and says how cool they are because they really are cool
Like it it it blew my mind when I found out that it cost so much more to heat
With resistive heating compared to like the the multiple times more efficient that using a compressor and
Uh and a heat pipe a heat pipe a heat pump
Can be for for for heating and then also the fact that whoa no way they can also like do cooling as well
Like heat heat pumps are super cool That's that's what I installed in my old place
And that's what I didn't want to install in my mechanical room downstairs because
I didn't really want to pay to run an air conditioner all year round
My hope was that in the winter with the pool running at like 10 degrees, which is kind of what they recommend
That it would adequately cool the room and it does it works great
Unfortunately in the summer with the pool in the like mid to high 20s
Uh, this is Celsius by the way. Um, yeah, not so good. It does remove all the heat from the room
Like I can close the door. It's an insulated room and it does remove it all and it works way better than it used to
Now that we have it right at the back of the rack But it's pretty uncomfortably hot in there and it kind of sucks
So I actually was chatting with Jake today and I think the plan
Is to actually use a yacht AC
Because they're designed for liquid to liquid on both sides
So what we're going to do is we finally
I hate it when this happens So, you know that janky video that we did recently where we made a water door for the server room over at the lab
Okay We did that video
and literally Literally one of the companies that we reached out to to try to get a proper one
And was like, no, forget it
Got in touch with us after seeing that video and was like, hey, yeah, like we could send you
I was like, oh, come on. We wanted to do it properly in the first place
But because we're not ordering a hundred of them, you know, no data center supplier was interested in building us any any water doors
Yeah, so anyway Now i'm getting a water door for my basement
Because we already have a functioning one here I guess we're just leaving it there. I didn't actually ask Jake that maybe we should get in the right kid
Doesn't matter the point is we're getting one for my basement too Yeah, so we're gonna run a cold loop there off of the cold side of the ac
Which will probably be a heat pump because a lot of a a lot of air conditioning units are just heat pumps
Um, so we'll run that off the cold side and then the hot side will go off of the pool loop
Unfortunately, that means that I have to pay to run the compressor all the time
Which I don't know realistically with like modern efficient compressors is honestly probably not that bad
So that's the new plan for that. It sucks, but I think it makes sense. So we'll have a a chill room does cook
Yeah, we'll have a chilled water water door at the back of the server rack
And then we'll try to capture as much as we can of the heat coming off of
Uh, the systems inside I don't know how those water cooled systems are gonna figure into all this
Because there's honestly no point having them water cooled if you have a chilled water door
You would just take the hot air coming out of the back of the systems. You would blow it through your water door
but also Typically the fans that you're using in a setup like that are super loud like high static pressure like server fans, which
I don't want in that room. I quieted down that room both like very intentionally recently quieted down that room
so maybe Maybe chilled water to the servers
Probably not probably what we would do is we would take the the ultimate version of the chiller. Everything comes back
Okay So I have something I'm really excited about you just got to get Yvonne to buy the like heat pump for you or something
It's way better than my old chiller So luke's referring to the time for one of my birthdays that Yvonne bought me a window mounted ac unit
So that I could dismantle it Dip the cold side into just like a giant like igloo brand
Cooler reservoir and then pump windshield de-icer to my CPU and GPU's
As like a 24 7 sub zero setup. It's pretty sick. It's pretty sick
That's what he's referring to you can you can check it out in the staff reacts to Linus's old janky rigs video that we did a while back
No, no, we're going to take it to a completely different level
so I'm not going to name any names because
You know the timeline is tbd and you never know things can things can fall through
But I am in touch with someone who back in the day
Created phase change
Coolers. Oh, yeah, this is so sick. I know about this, but I can't say anything. Okay, cool
phase change coolers that I lusted over in my in my
post adolescent pants
and He hasn't done one in a long time
But we offered to do a collab slash commission build and he's super down which is so sick
So what my goal is is to make a 24 7 is to turn my system 24 7
Phase change cooled so sick. So
I think we're targeting like somewhere between minus 20 and minus 50
Something like that like minus 20 to minus 40
And if we can build a high enough capacity unit
Then I could potentially do CPU and GPU and we could make blocks that could be adapted to future
Sockets and future GPU's and then just I could carry them forward
So what I would like is to have it fit in a rack mount form factor
Right under my gaming rig and so my rig would essentially be like subzero cooled
And then all the other rigs would just be water cooled off of the pool water
Not the actual pool water the water that runs through the loop that goes through the walls of the pool
And is isolated from the chlorinated water. Don't worry. Just chill
That's pretty sick. And then all of the other heat in the room will be dealt with by the water door
Did you intentionally do that one? I don't know. Oh, just chill. You're well. Yeah
Yeah, only a little though. I was just going to ignore it and keep moving
It's kind of like how you'll you'll hear me anytime. I'm working with a case
You'll say whatever I'll say whatever the case may be or in this case. I like go out of my way to do it
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not talking about a case right now, Dan
So, yeah, I am that's sick like
I didn't actually realize that's what it was for. There's also that's cool
You know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna spoil this one and you guys are gonna be so disappointed if now it doesn't work out
I'm gonna spoil this part But because we're gonna be working with like HVAC stuff
This could be if it aligns if it aligns with him traveling to the Vancouver area
Could be an opportunity for us to hang out with Brian the electrician again. Oh cool, which would be pretty cool. That'd be pretty cool
Yeah, um, we haven't collabed in a long time But I I would be he's got all the certifications that he would need to help us charge these systems and you know
Just be there make sure that even though
The our collaborator has experience working with these stuff. He's not technically certified
So Brian would be there to make sure that everything's on the up and up and we're capturing all the gases correctly
And he can also get access to some of the more exotic gases that we might need if we were to take things to another
level potentially in the future
Is he still an electrician? No, but I mean
Do I still give tech tips debatable?
And sometimes sometimes a nickname just sticks, you know
You did earlier. You helped me with my function key problem
That's true. I did do that. You gave me a tech tip. That was a tech tip. Yep. You're welcome. Thank you
Uh, what else are we supposed to be doing down? Was that a merge message? Yeah, let's just work on this. I don't even know what the question was. It doesn't matter
Uh, you're uh, why didn't you put a heat pump in your pool? Yeah, I'm okay. No, it's fine
It's okay. It is all good Do you want to talk about some AI news?
Do I? I don't know. Researchers from the University of Zurich are facing
Uh possible legal action due to running an improper and highly unethical experiment as one of reddit's lawyers
Ben Lee has described it The researchers deployed AI chatbots to a popular. Oh, this is crazy
Sorry to a popular debate subreddit called r slash change my view
Which is primarily a place where users post their hot takes or opinions and have an open conversation in the comments
The bots made more than a thousand comments over several months pretending to be real people
In order to debate in these discussions With kind of the idea behind it being to find out if an AI is effective at changing a real human user's mind
However, where things get a little sketchy Is that these AI chatbots were diving into sensitive topics such as racial issues
domestic violence and more um
With some bots even going into the op's account
And trying to determine they were they were explicitly instructed to determine
Who it was that they were trying to debate so they could make a more tailored comment in order to debate them more
convincingly So they were they were oh man, dude
It's not in our notes But they were they were asked to like go through and try to profile them try to figure out their age
race Area where they lived What their interests were and then and then told to crap out an argument that would try to change their mind
Um, this is a note from Elijah. He says reading this part actually scared the out of me. Yeah
Reddit was not made aware of this experiment Which is the reason that it is considering a lawsuit
Any thoughts
Yeah, uh This is an interesting one for every oh no, go ahead. There's there's been a lot of stuff about
AI manipulation going around lately. This was a big part
um Another big one and I noticed this too
But didn't really fully put it together until I saw other people start talking about it
But uh, a lot of different AI chat bots
In in my example and most of the examples that I saw because I think it's probably most commonly used chat tbt
But other ones as well have started just like really
um gassing up
The the the human in the interaction Like no matter what you do, they're like, oh, you're so amazing. That was such a smart thing to say
I was asking it questions about the canadian election
Trying to get ideas of The policies of different people and stuff like that and every single time I would ask it a question
It would be like that was a good no very good question to ask and I was like
This was a really basic question like and somewhere in a data center, you know
Carbon is being Emitted in order to produce those words. Yeah, I mean maybe it was a really good question to ask
I mean maybe it's better than asking those questions after the election like we saw spikes in interest after the
November elections in the states. Yeah, it's rough. Uh, but yeah, apparently this was like just vote for again
Apparently this is totally a thing Recently they started
really really really like Just being crazy positive and just pumping people up super hard and a lot of it's because
people like that Uh, so that's going on and apparently it's going to be dialed back because it's a little bit too obvious. It's too much
Um, but I suspect it's still going to happen at least a little bit
Um, and people are starting to realize that when
You are talking to these chatbots. They are actively looking at your entire history of conversations all the time
So that's I didn't actually necessarily realize that a new chat is fully isolated. It's not
Um, they they will like like you can ask it things about yourself like I will ask
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on though. Is this like is this like identifier a cookie based because like I don't even have
an account So if I just like go use it then theoretically I don't know about that mine. Mine is within my account for sure, right?
Okay, okay carry on. Sorry like I can ask it something about like
um Like does this seem like a good fit for me?
And I can ask it that with no context other than that. I cannot define myself
And it'll be like yeah, because blah blah blah blah and it'll bring up things about the lab
It'll bring up things about Floatplane. It'll name Floatplane just out of nowhere
Sometimes I like I'll ask it about some technology thing. It'll be like this could be good for Floatplane
And like I haven't talked about Floatplane in Maybe a couple weeks, but it still recognizes that because I've talked about Floatplane before
It happened to me a few days ago and Scared me because I had completely forgot this was a thing and I was asking it some innocuous question
It's like this thing that's related to extremely specific things that you asked another time and it was uh
destabilizing I'll put it that way. I'm the security risk then
Maybe I shouldn't be posting a whole bar data into it. Yeah, maybe you guys shouldn't be chatting with ai so much
I got to confess I feel like this is that much really. I feel like this is somewhere that I'm kind of falling behind a little bit because I don't
Use I honestly use it most often for experiments like somebody told me recently that uh, oh, they're hallucinating like way less now because
I was making this argument that uh
We will all become dumber for using it and I think my biggest example of that has been people calling on
Chatbots on twitter x or whatever
The like at grok is this real thing? Yeah, and then just always taking the answer of that at face value
Yeah, I saw I saw I saw a really interesting one that was someone asked grok
If it's true what the current us administration said about increases in military recruitment and grok's like yep
And they're like hey grok Isn't it true though that any increases in recruitment now are a result of joe biden's policies and grok's like yep
Right, but doesn't that seem like important context that you kind of left out grok?
But but that's the thing and I'm not even problem with like I'm not even saying that grok is somehow
You know politically leaning one way or the other sure
I'm just saying that that's clearly a flaw in any kind of ai system because if there's no way that it's going to be able to
Provide all of the relevant context because if it was then it would just crap out a link to wikipedia every single time
You asked it anything I don't know if it tells you when it makes them night author. I don't fully believe that but sure
It says that's a specific feature called memories and it tells you when it makes them
And I it's quite literally never told me that it's made a single one. So I'm not so sure about that
Um, maybe it's just not very obvious. I don't know but either way. I'm not
necessarily trying to turn it off either But it's it's just interesting. So I I ran a thing where I tried to do at least one query a day
And I would fairly intensely fact check it every time
To try to see like how often is it more or less hallucinating and it's still really often
Yeah, this is if people just take it fully at face value. It's so crazy
Nipple-less cage in Floatplane chat says I asked grok something about Elon musk and it said that's because he was the founder of tesla
And when I corrected grok it was like, oh, yeah Yeah, but that happens like all the time like
People are really only correcting it on the things that they automatically detect is wrong
But it's wrong a lot more often than you probably think Yvonne and I have been car shopping recently and like like I said, I I don't know
It doesn't mean it's not helpful to be clear I feel like I'm falling behind the times in in a sense because it would it would never occur to me to just
She to she typed up a profile of herself and was like, what car would you recommend?
You know a cool car for cool moms Uh, kind of here's what I do with it. Here's how many kids I have. Here's what I'm driving right now
Here's what I like about it. Here's what I don't like about it. She like kind of gave it a whole thing
And to its credit It crapped out basically the same cars that I had painstakingly narrowed our search down to
But it also got a bunch of little things wrong about them
Yeah, and because I had done all of that research very recently you actually knew I knew but it looks
Really legit. It's really convincing. So if you didn't already know you might not have questioned it
And I think that's happening like way too much. Anyways, sorry, but
Where did we start here? We're talking about the
Trying to debate people on reddit. Um
They're they're getting in trouble for this or whatever The the next line on here that you had to read was reddit was not made aware of this experiment
Which is the reason uh, it is leading to a possible lawsuit. I think I did read that but it's okay
I'm really happy this experiment happened. Really? I think people need to know this
Well, I mean for me the the main thing that I took away from this is
This is the experiment we know about. Yeah
It's there are not experiments that are running that are this and I guarantee you well constantly
I mean, isn't that the entire twitter platform now as far as I can tell I
I cannot tell the difference between the people in bots anymore But yeah, this used to happen because it was paid people
There used to be bots that were much more obvious now. It's
Automated and it's a lot less obvious and like it's
We there has been an inflection point on the internet and uh,
Everything has changed and you need to be aware of that check this out
Freelancer system in Floatplane chat says we had a recent situation at my workplace
Where people were petitioning to remove the labor union because gem and I
Gave an answer to the question Can a business owner speak on wages while a petition is in process and said yes
And it was completely wrong and then it cited links that weren't actually relevant to the answer
Yeah, like this is this is a problem this is a problem the biggest problem with ai right now is people
But like actually people are just taking the output we've a lot of people have been screaming for so long
That you can't just take the output and automatically believe it
But people just do it because it's the path of least resistance. It's easy the answer is right there, right?
I'll just take it. It's fine. I'll submit it. I'll use this. It's okay. No, it's not
It's wrong all the time it lies all the time
Oh man when I was asking it it gets really blatant stuff wrong too when I was asking it about
Like carney and polyev and all that kind of stuff Um, it got a bunch of things wrong like it it said that carney wasn't the prime minister at the time
And I was like, um, he definitely was he actually is and it was like oops my bad keeping on going on
And I was like that's a pretty major mistake
Like there's a lot of little ones, but that one's like huge
Well probably got confused because he didn't have a zero He didn't have a zero in his name. So it thought he wasn't rural or something
Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. I thought it was a zip code instead of
I just man, I don't know. Um But yeah, this this experiment super interesting. Oh nice. Good job. Uh, this experiment is super interesting. Um
In other news several months ago. There was a lawsuit opened against character technologies ink after oh, we've
I think we've talked about this like four times. Yes, but uh, this is an update though. Oh, um after a 14 year old
took his own life after this teen had several conversations with fictional characters
Several of which convinced him to take his life Now character technologies is making the claim that chatbots outputs should be consp- should be considered pure speech
Essentially protecting them under the first amendment or the right to free speech
as free speech Uh, this is still an ongoing case and there has been more discussion about what would be classified as free speech versus
What would be responsible versus who would be responsible for this if it's not?
Yeah, so I dude liability around
Artificial intelligences is something that it kind of surprises me that we have not even kind of
begun to figure out like when you consider how long
Self-driving and also actually self-driving cars have been cruising around on the roads without users touching
The steering wheel. I mean in the case of the like the self-driving ones like your teslas
theoretically It tells the user like hey, you're responsible. You're liable, right?
But in the case of you know Waymo for instance, like they're you know, there isn't a driver. It's like
Who is liable for what?
a machine learning AI Does and you could say okay. No, this is like really black and white. It's the
It's the company that made it But in this case clearly they're making the argument that they're not
right Yeah And you would think that for how long we've had, you know, like
multi-thousand kilogram things flying around on streets
Um, where this question seems pretty relevant. You would think for how long that's been happening
This would have been something that we would have figured out by now
But it seems like we are still in the very infancy
of even starting to approach thinking about
figuring out liability around this stuff and
I don't know as a as a as an open ai shareholder, you know, I'm not but if I was
I was gonna say like as an open ai shareholder, I'd be terrified right now
Because I have no idea what I'm potentially going to be liable for and I have no idea what the volume of mistakes
Is going to be before some kind of accountability comes calling
Like I have we have no idea it feels similar to the like
A company commits a crime Uh is by the law considered as a person but does not go to jail
Thing it feels like there's going to be one of those like effectively a loophole that really plagues society
I feel like this is going to be one of those types of problems Yeah, but what's that from by the way?
IBM service manual 1979
I like it. I've this is this gets put around a lot
And has been for years, but now that ai is such a big thing right now. This has been pushed around quite a bit
Um And yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty good like you the what made me actually think about this was you bringing up that uh
They almost did they what they almost busted a union or something because of whatever because of a
Outfit in Gemini said Gemini said and this is this is I think this ties into that problem is like you can't make
Like really serious important decisions
Like I was looking up stuff politics stuff, right? I also had other friends and family members that were looking at politics stuff
Using ai chat bots and I was just constantly freaking out basically being like it. It's a good shortcut research tool. Please
God look up everything you're finding in here and make sure it's actually real because like
Wow, there's so many falsehoods being pushed forward
Yeah, my uh, one of my kids came home from school
Where they did kind of like uh, they did kind of like a mock election
And I'm go, I go, okay. Well, honey, which party did you vote for and she goes, oh, I voted for the conservatives
And I go, okay, why did you choose the conservative party? And she goes, oh well because they care the most about the environment and I'm like, okay, that's an interesting take
Um, I'd like to get a little more information on how this curriculum was devised because
um You know, I'm not gonna
I don't think I'm gonna get into it on the wandshow which party I did or didn't vote for and you know
Where my alignments are but what I can say with absolute certainty is that the conservative party is not the like
hippie-dippy You know, let's go green energy and and conserve the environment that it's not that kind of conservation
let's let's just put it that way and um
I'm just When it's so easy to go and look at their platform where they basically say drill baby drill
um I'm just I'm really confused where this kind of misinformation comes from
I don't know. I don't even know like I
Wonder if it's comparing to other parties in other countries
Even then I don't I I think they've basically opposed every meaningful environmental measure like in my adult memory
like I don't really But like canadian conservatives are more
Oh, I mean, yeah, canadian conservative party is basically like left-wing hippies in our neighbors to the south like it's
Yeah, that's what i'm saying. I less so these days actually. Yeah, like that was more that was probably more true 10 15 years ago. Yeah
Um, but so yeah, I'm not I'm not necessarily even sure but yeah, I mean when I was doing it it it
It had a lot of stuff that was wrong. It was it was interesting
I found it was most accurate at not specific things which
Might sound like almost a weird sentence, but if I asked it for like oh something like very high level like almost more abstract
Like here's my you know, you know me pretty well. Who do you think I should I would probably vote for I didn't ask at that
But I'm curious. Are you logged in on your phone?
I just don't you don't have to say you don't have to say what it says. I just want to know if it gets it right
Okay, I'm very curious I'm not going to say what it says, but I will say if it got it right or wrong. Sure
Okay, in the meantime, I have an interesting question for you
Let's imagine a post LMG world
You know we LMG still exists, but it's under new management or whatever we've both we've both moved on
Would we still do wancho?
Uh, yeah, okay Imagine this post LMG world. We just do wancho nothing else really matters
Let's assume that we're both in a position where unhinged show realistically
Realistically like it doesn't really matter how much people like us
Would you would you just like?
Both barrels just talk about stuff like this or would you just be like no, I still think I still what what is it like religion politics?
And what's the third one? Money is yeah, is it money religion in politics?
I think so the three things that you don't bring up in plate dinner conversation or whatever it is at least culturally here
Um, would you just say you know F*** it and just go for it or would you still kind of say hey, we should probably hold this line
I think I would go for it. You just you just go for it. Yeah
Interesting interesting because right now, but you don't know why not my actions on the show. Why are you such a pussy?
Oh man, I've got a fun one for that Which is going to make no sense right now, but it will later
Because I'm not my actions right now I have an impact not just on myself
And if we're isolated, it's just you and me my actions will effectively really only have impact on me and me
But you don't care about me or a guy who can wait. No, hold on wrong button
Yeah, but yeah, but on him on him though. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Uh, no, we're just gonna leave it there
I thought it was I thought it was on on hold. I didn't realize it was tall
Um, it's it's asking me questions. It's asking you questions. No
Tell me which one
Interesting I actually kind of like that it was evasive there because if it's just straight up telling people what to vote for that's kind of bad
That's honestly, that's pretty good
So, yeah Given your priorities, don't worry. Don't worry given your priorities
this party Would have been the most aligned choice in the 2025 canadian federal election. Hold on. I want to see
Wow that first Why Is like probably the first one I would pick for you
The second one is probably the second one I would pick for you
I would have had I would have had this as your number three priority though
And I would have said this is sort of overarching on the others and I would have said this is last
So, you know me better than chad gpt. Nice Nice
Because because yeah, I agree with that ranking it gave like reasons why it gave the choice like why
Luke would choose that and they're they're fairly well reasoned and they're almost
Almost in the order that Luke would care about they were one correct two correct
It had his third priority as number four And then it had as his third priority is something that I would have said is more secondary and is like a number five
That is actually kind of why this has been nailed
Chad gpt. I'm still I'm so a little evasive on but yeah line this has got me
Uh, that is crazy. Yes, it was correct guys. It it nailed it nailed his um, which is funny
Actually and very interesting to me because I was mostly pushing it to try to give me counter arguments against the thing that I wanted
I was trying to use it as an argument against the stance that I had
So I was pushing it the other way, but it's still new
Yeah, I noticed that took a handful of prompts like it didn't just spit out an answer for you
I like I often like try to fight it. So I wonder if it kind of knew that
Because it's profiled me at this point There's a there's a fun prompt I saw from a hacker dude. I follow on twitter
Um, which and I don't remember what it is because it's really long But you basically you get it to do like a role play where it's a cia agent and it's trying to profile you as a threat risk
So it goes through your chat history with it and it finds
things that could Indicate that you would be a threat to like the nation and how
It thinks that you should be dealt with in these scenarios
So you're like counter attacking yourself and seeing what things are like scary or what parts of you are more vulnerable or whatever else
It's an interesting prompt anyways
That that prompt that like cia prompt is what made me start diving into
um It retaining
Previous chats right because it clearly does. Yeah
Like yeah, because I my initial prompt was and you saw all that. Yeah, my initial prompt was
Uh, you know, I tried to take it almost exactly how you said it You know me pretty well
Who do you think I should have voted for in the canadian election and then it gave like
Here's all the reasons for this guy. Here's all the reasons for this guy. Blah blah blah blah blah blah
Yeah, um Here's reflecting on your vote. Yeah, just here's some here's some some things you should
Yeah, consider but it didn't give me an answer So I just said no tell me which one and then and then it totally did. Yeah
So it only took two prompts then. Yeah Wow
And the first prompt it it wasn't that it was wrong
It was that it didn't want to answer probably because it's supposed to not really answer for that type of question
So tell me this I mean, honestly, we are getting way off the tech rails now, but
This is an area where tech is affecting our lives a lot right now. I know it's a feature
Do you think that there is any possibility of moving past in our polarized world with tools like this with algorithms
Like we encounter on social media Do you think there is any way in this polarized world to get past a two-party system?
Because we've often talked about how And I think Americans talk a lot about the the detrimental impact of their
effective two-party system Because your choices are, you know, basically as as South Park so eloquently put it a giant douche and a turd sandwich, right?
And in Canada for a long time. We enjoyed a multi-party system like yes, some of those multi parties were particularly irrelevant
Like have the Greens ever won more than one seat federally?
Actually not sure if they have it's a it's been a very
Very small handful, but we actually had at a federal level three parties over my adult lifetime that had various degrees of relevance
Um, so you had your conservatives your NDP and your liberals, but in this most recent election
While the liberals only sort of won they won a minority government and the conservatives lost
They actually picked up a lot of seats and the NDP were almost wiped out to the point where their leader
Like don't in tears resigned as leader of the party. He didn't even win his own seat, which
is Again in my adult lifetime Pretty unheard of even for relatively smaller parties and happened twice in this election
Both the conservatives and the NDP had their party leader lose their seat
I also think this election was determined by a different country. That's fair
That's fair. What's the what's the joke? It's like pennsylvania didn't just
Determined the u.s election. They also determined the canadian election. Yeah, something like that pretty much. It's pretty funny
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Those are on the topic of thoram. Do you remember a couple years ago? We did an insert with a woman who's gonna propose to her
Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember that we have a response. Oh really wait what two years later
Hey Nice They got married yesterday and they signed it with the LTT scribe driver. Let's go
Which is amazing. That's awesome. That's incredible. That's cool. Super cool
All right. Well, i'm glad i'm glad she was able to seal the deal. That's
You know what? Ah, I love those little bits of uplifting news in a world where ais are monitoring our every move and
You know big companies like apple just ignore
You know judgments for four years and you know
But hey, there's love There's love and that's all you need. I heard I heard it in a song once
I yeah, someone I forget who did the song pretty good song. Yeah pretty small band
Probably never heard of them insect insect band radio hit. Yeah, sure
Slipknot Says dead anti social
Oh by east. Oh man. I can I can the funny thing is somebody has probably done an ai
Slipknot needles crossover. Don't
It is so easy to pick out those of you who I love very much by the way in our audience who
Do not have a sarcasm detector Um by east one goes the Beatles
Yes
That's the joke Oh
Oh man, that's great. Um
Yes, that's the Beatles Love doesn't make me money says Elijah
Okay, um Man, why why do I why do I even read don't engage don't engage. What else we got? Oh my god
Is it when after dark we can't do when after dark we have to do things get blurry on youtube
YouTube is testing a feature for a small percentage of users where they blur
Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait before we go you asked me a question Which was do you think we can ever get past two parties? Uh and somebody in chat reminded me of it
No, while we have our current voting system while we have first passed the post
It's always going to be two parties. Just how that works. That is honestly
The thing that I'm still most angry with yes, you know about
Total bull crap he promised he promised electoral reform and then was like
Like there's lots of other stuff you can be mad at him about But that was a major campaign promise that I feel
For me anyway, I feel was a big part of what won him the election. I think it was in his first term. Yeah
We wanted electoral reform. It was a big part of the reason why I voted for we wanted a different voting system
We don't want first pass the post anymore and there are flaws and basically all of them
I get it But first pass the post is super flawed and like extra flawed. I think I know why he didn't do it
Well, yeah, because they were the incumbent. It's never in the incumbent's best interest
He like to vote for electoral reform because that's the system that got that election. He like definitely would have lost
So he he bailed out which is which is so incredibly lame
Because I think a big part of the reason why he got voted in was because people were like, oh, wow
We can have a real system and then probably maybe, you know, not vote you back in
Uh, and then he just didn't do it and now we're stuck
It sucks It's rough. I hereby promise
That my first official action as prime minister of canada
Will be to fix our crappy first pass the post
system Would you vote for me? Yeah
Nice. That's two votes. I think that's incredibly important for myself, right? It feels like
Let's assume I I don't actually think this but let's assume you would be horrible
Oh, hold on hold on no, no, no, no, no, no, no people people couldn't understand what I was saying the canadiens couldn't understand
I ask diva to bootman do declare I promise
Yeah, they got even french. I finally stopped doing the irritating accent
Yeah, stop for a second. I'm speaking about a very important thing. Um, okay, sorry.
I don't remember. Cool. Um, so yeah, I get two votes, two votes. Apparently, uh, William
Osborne released a video on his second channel talking about the thing.
Well, should, should, should we talk about it at all?
I'm skimming through and, and checking the comments right now.
And they're all pretty good. Yeah. They told me they were like thinking about
releasing it. I didn't actually realize they were going to release it like almost immediately after I said, yeah, that's cool.
Um, and the comments are pretty good. I have a feeling it was like put kind of at
the end because there aren't a ton of comments about it.
And the name of the video is I need to stop farming for a while.
Yeah. So he's, he's probably talking. Clearly testing the waters here, I think.
Uh, no, like I think he's, I don't think it's about just this. I think it's like
about other stuff. I think it's about him not farming for a while. Like actually,
because he, I just mean like, like he's obviously not just like leading with this news.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think it's kind of cool. I think it's interesting.
All right. Well, I'll have to watch the comments later. Yeah. Good reference. Solid.
Do I talk about it or I just say this and then people go watch his video.
Why don't we start with just not telling people what's going on and just, uh, Dan can put links
to his video. Guys, you put it in your watch later and make sure you watch it later. Nice.
Okay. Sweet. All right. Things get blurry at YouTube. YouTube is testing a feature for a
small percentage of users where they will blur the thumbnail of a mature video.
This will mainly be targeted at videos that frequently include sexual themes
because, you know, in our typical North American sensibilities fashion, we don't care about violence.
We care about boobies. YouTube explained in their community section in the YouTube help center that
the goal is to still provide users with relevant search results since these videos will still
abide by their community guidelines, uh, but to protect users from seeing content that is
sensitive in nature. This might help like something awkward being on your screen when you're at work
or something like safer work situation, but do you think this is going to work the other way
around? Because I have heard that when you spoiler tag something, it draws people to look at it.
So I wonder if blurring the thumbnail here, if people are going to notice that it's blurred
and then be drawn to it. That'd be an interesting experiment for us to do on the channel.
Because it's, it's not the same at, oh my God. Like in the next week, just upload a video with
a blurry thumbnail. You blur yourself. Yeah. Interesting. Do like an A-B test. It's not the
same as a spoiler tag, I think. I don't think it would be quite as effective, but it might still,
like if people learn what it means. Yeah. Like, oh, naked liners. Oh, I don't think anyone needs that.
It's on William Osmond too. It's on his second channel. It's the most recent one on his second
channel. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like about this. It's just mentioned in there. Yeah. So there are
currently no more specifics on what fully triggers this blurring yet, but video titles, channel names,
and description will remain visible and unchanged even if the thumbnail is blurred.
Users also have the ability to toggle this feature on and off if they so choose. Okay.
Our discussion question is using the guidelines. What do you think would fall under these new
blurring guidelines? Since it seems that the guidelines are clear about what is and isn't
allowed. Really? I mean, I would like, I don't know, because I've seen some wild stuff on YouTube
in like music videos, for instance, that just like I could not imagine like any other, like
basically pornography, like that I could just not imagine any normal user being able to upload
and have it stay there. So I don't, I don't really, don't post a thumbnail or image on YouTube
if it shows. Pornographic imagery, sexual acts, the use of sex toys fetishes or other sexually
gratifying imagery, nudity, imagery that depicts. This is not specific at all. Unwanted sexualization.
I mean, it kind of is violent imagery that intends to shock or disgust. So okay, we do care about
violence. Graphic or disturbed imagery with player Gore, vulgar or lewd language, a thumbnail that
misleads viewers to think they're about to view something that's not in the video. That's actually
the last one might have more impact than almost anything else. That actually seems pretty solid,
but it's not specific when it, we saw this happen to Twitch. The second you put a line,
it then just becomes creatively avoiding that line. That's it.
Like, oh, is, I know one of the Twitch metas, I think was body paint. Like, is it nudity if
there's body paint? Like, they'll find it because it just says nudity, including generals.
Then people are going to be like, all right, how far can I push this line? Then it becomes a game.
Well, where are you? How, where was it? Sexually gratifying imagery, I think is meant to be the
catch-all. Oh man, sorry. Can I segue us off of this topic? Yeah, sure, I'm done with it.
Okay. Elijah said, nah, Twitch is flawless. And it made me think of another topic that we have
in the doc, which will make sense eventually, but will not make any sense at all for a while.
Giant bomb. Stick with me. No, no. PSU testing feedback and lttlabs.com been sharing. This
will make sense. I promise you this will make sense, but it's going to take a little bit
to get there. Okay. So I'll bring up the article. First off, there's an article. This part is
not related. Spoiler alert. But yeah, there's, there's some interesting stuff going on with
our power supplies. This is related to that email that we sent you where they're passing
under standard load. But when we go outside of standard load into an area that you should test,
because there's like protections for those types of things that power supplies are supposed to have,
they're failing in the protection phase. And we're wondering if we should
create a separation in category between ones that just
fail within standard usage and ones that fail within the protections phase. And we're thinking,
yes, but we're interested in your guys's feedback. So check out the article on the site,
read it, go to the LTT forum post and give us your feedback on the LTT forum post. Lucas is
keeping tabs on it. Cool. Sounds good. We're trying to do this thing where we like build in public
more. So we're trying to show our work. We're trying to show our line of thinking and let people
have input on what we're doing and how. So Lucas had this observation. I think it was a really
interesting observation. He came up with a potential solution for it. I think it was a good solution
for it, but we want your guys's feedback. So, so let us know. Moving on, we also have a new feature
that's working. And this is the one that I'm going to, I'm going to bring Elijah into this in a
second, but bin sharing. Bin sharing is now a thing on the store, on the,
I'm so used to talking about the store on Wansho on the lab. So you, there's a button
up to the right, up right hand corner. So share this bin or alternatively, wait, what the heck?
Is this a cached page? Well, I clicked your link. And I think I accidentally added one that was
already in it. Oh, so this is a, this is a curated, okay, that makes sense. I thought,
yep, I think I screwed up the demo. Nice. Okay. Okay. So let me, let me hit it from the top.
Uh, my laptop. Okay. So I'm going to grab two power supplies. We're going to grab this one.
And I'm going to grab this one. I'm going to go to my comparison bin. I'm going to view the detail
of comparison. My URL has now updated. So if you're old, like me, you can just copy this
and give it to someone and it will work. Nice. There was some amount of resistance to this,
because this isn't what their argument was, but I like to interpret their argument is like
you're old, no one's going to do this. And I was like, yeah, well, that's old meta. They're right. Yep. But I like it. Yep. So we just have both.
It is a universal resource locator. Yeah. If it doesn't universally locate a resource,
what is even the point of it? Yep. So we have both. So you can click the share the bin button.
And we might have some other options in here, like maybe at some point in time,
someone made a comment, we should probably do this where you can actually see the URL that's going to share before you click copy link, whatever, we'll probably figure that out.
But we might even have these so they can be shortened URLs or something.
I don't know. That's not really a huge priority right now. Maybe we'll figure it out at some
point. Right now you can share bins. That was the whole point. But there's also some stuff
where we had some bin ideas. So we had some, some things that could be pre curated. There was a
like mixed mouse and mixed keyboard example. So that's this one. So you can see there are
wait, no compare a mouse and a keyboard. My bad. Give me one second. No, but you can have a series
of things that are comparable one second. Cool. He's going to do the demo.
I will just like all demos. Sometimes they take a sec. Okay, mixed mouse and mixed keyboard and
still there. Mold on my chips now. Okay. Well, the, my point is that you can,
you can share comparison bins and theoretically if we were like making a video on something,
the writer of the video could prep a comparison bin and then link it under the video and you
could see all the items that were in the video. Yeah. So there could be a, see the items from
this video link. You could compare them all and see them all there for, for more detail or
whatever else. That's cool. There was a challenge that we had of what is the best bin that you
can create be useful or less useful like the ones above and the reason why I'm pulling Elijah into
this after this really, really, really long bit of expose is the, I was like, yeah, I don't know
like how interesting that'll be. And they're like, well, someone could do like a waifu comparison
collection to help Elijah. Okay. I see an example of one of the kind of useless bins
model names that are greater than 50% numbers is that it was the incredible. Oh, this is comedic
gold. Okay. Where did you even see that? I clicked the mixed keyboard mouse and PSU example. I
think our hyperlinks got a little bit confused. I think they did because I got a little lost.
This is a top 10 website immediately. Good job, guys.
Anyway. All right. What else are we supposed to be doing today?
Something, I think. Finish off your topics. Oh, yeah, we could do that. Hold on. I'm trying to
figure it out. Okay. Yeah. I see this. Yeah. The, the, the doc on this was, was a little weird,
but one of them is the, the only acceptable list of peripherals. And there's like an Apple Magic
keyboard. Oh boy. I love this. You're going to do a great service for the internet website.
So yeah, you can, you gotta, this is like the Spotify playlists. You know, I'm assuming whoever
on the team made this has a MS Master 3S and an Apple Magic keyboard. But yeah, you can,
you can name your bins. Yeah. So like if you, if you come up with a collection of products you
want to throw in here to compare, you can then name the bin, copy the link, share it to other people.
Obviously the bin naming thing isn't going to work if you just copy the URL, but, but you can,
you can make some funny stuff. So if you wanted to make a waifu collection of components that
the lab has tested and link it at Elijah on his social media, that would be funny.
NASA marketing says the US administration. The White House released a skinny version of its
budget proposal for 2026 today, including all federal agencies. This budget proposes cutting
NASA's funding by 25% from 25 billion to 18.8 billion. Some major legacy programs on the
chopping block include SLS, Orion and the Lunar Gateway, which are set to be phased out after
Artemis 3. The budget sites SLS is $4 billion per launch cost and 140% budget overrun as reasons
to move to cheaper commercial systems. The Mars sample return mission also cancelled.
The ISS is also getting dialed back with fewer crew, fewer flights and reduced research capacity.
Instead, the US administration wants to focus on human space exploration
and beat China to the moon and Mars. They're allocating over $7 billion for lunar and $1
billion for Mars efforts, a chunk of which will likely be given to SpaceX according to
Ars Technica Senior Space Editor Eric Berger.
Not really. A bit of a NASA fanboy here. He just watched his team take a massive L.
By the way, people are freaking out about this on those teams. A 25% cut means
a lot of people are losing jobs. I don't know the legitimacy of this.
But you can do better science with three quarters as many people, right?
Yeah, I mean, that's a big part of that. I don't know if that was in here, but a lot of that funding
reduction was just science. If you look at a lot of American innovation over the years,
NASA has driven a lot of it. Actually, quite a bit. Cordless drills, NASA. There's tons of
stuff that you wouldn't really think about. Cordless power tools in general, as far as my
understanding goes. They're massively reducing their science budget, both space and not.
Velcro, memory foam, people are just listening to this stuff. Yeah, this is a big deal for
innovation in the States. Well, in the world, really. I use cordless tools, too. I don't live in
America. Yeah, it's rough. It's not just like a lot of the writing when you look at like,
oh, why are they doing this? SLS being really expensive, which like, yeah, I mean,
it's way over budget and it's really expensive. Okay, I'm not really going to try to fight that
too much. I do have some concerns about moving all of your ability to get to space into commercial
hands. I don't know how cool that is. Well, they always prioritize safety over everything else.
It's, it makes me a little uncomfortable. I don't know if that's the right move,
but it is, yeah, it is way over budget, all that kind of stuff. But like,
canceling the Mars sample return mission and be like, oh, humans will just do it. Like, wow,
that's really bold. You need to use your name says that's just stuff that would have been
invented by others anyway. But it's like, by that, by that logic, why invent anything ever?
Because someone's going to invent it at some point. Someone else will do it. Why don't we just wait?
Yeah. Do you need your computer? Like, it doesn't matter if someone invented it, you know, decades
ago, you could just waited for someone else to do it. By the way, NASA advancements have helped
computer stuff a lot. Anyways, yeah, it's just, I think the, the impacts of this are a lot more
wide reaching than people immediately realize. Well, that's because, I mean, we've talked about
this on the show before, regardless of the political leanings. There is a serious problem
with short administration terms incentivizing extremely short term actions and short term
thinking. And it's, it's, it's, it's a real problem because a lot of the time, what is done is not
really felt by the general consumer until much, much, much later. And when you, when you go at
sort of, you know, scientific cradles of innovation like NASA, you might not feel it for never mind
like four years or eight years, right? Which would be your, your one or two term presidency, right?
You might not feel that for 25 years, like trying to think off the top of my head of like an older
NASA innovation that there was, man, there was something that was in the news recently that
was like, yeah, they were, they were looking at this. It was, I don't know if it was NASA, if it
was one of the other big like national Labs, but they were looking at this like, like years and
years and years ago, decades ago. And like finally we were like, oh, whoa, here's an application of
this. I'm sorry, I can't remember it off the top of my head, but there, there have been examples
where it's not necessarily clear what the commercial application of this will be.
But the work that's being done is still extremely important.
What are we looking at here? Things that wouldn't have been possible without space travel.
Oh yeah, cool. Camera phones, scratch resistant lenses, CAT scans, LEDs, landmine removal, athletic shoes,
foil blankets, water purification system, dust busters, ear thermometers, home insulation,
the jaws of life, wireless headphones, memory foam, freeze dried food, adjustable smoke detectors,
baby formula, artificial limbs, computer mouse, portable computers. I don't know if
computer mice or portable computers are, are important to you guys at all. I don't know who
got that list. It's not conclusive. That was on some random site that somebody in full plane
shared. Don't forget the movie Apollo 13 starring Tom Hanks, never would have gotten that without
space travel. Good stuff. Good stuff. Important stuff. But yeah, like the, the reason why I'm
so into NASA isn't, isn't just because like space stuff cool. Space stuff is cool.
Super cool. Space stuff cool is objectively based. But that was NASA's website. It didn't look like
it to me. NASA has a fair bit of credibility. If it was NASA's website, I don't mind it.
It was. Yeah. What does it say at the top of the picture? One sec.
Oh, whatever. I read something wrong, my bad. That was absolutely NASA's website.
It's not conclusive though. So I don't, I don't know what's going on there. But anyways,
it's, it's cause in a way it represents like human advancement.
Like it's not just space travel. A lot of it is science. A lot of it is with the one small step
for mankind. Yeah. That one giant. It's not, it's not just rocket cool, rocket go fast,
space neat. It's like, this is how we like grow. There's that whole thing of like
every scientific discovery is this like tiny microscopic pimple on the circle of knowledge
that humans have. And it's like, yeah, but when you do that a lot, the circle grow bigger.
This was a big part of circle grow bigger. Like it's, I don't know.
It's rough. I don't think this is bad for the world.
It's also inspirational. Yeah. Absolutely. Hugely so.
Apparently not anymore. I mean, remember when we were kids, kids wanted to be, what was it,
doctors, lawyers, astronauts, firefighters, and heads of state. And now it's a
TikToker. Yeah. Now they want to be you. Be me is not that great.
A little bit less so him. Yeah. Cause they want to be bigger on the short form media.
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. And they probably don't want to be older. And then they start figuring out the money stuff and then they want to get on YouTube.
Yeah. It's when they're a little older, they want to get on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like that word. I prefer mature.
Nice. That's me, blunt mature.
Last week, user David the runner posted on our subreddit their custom 3D holographic display,
which has been added to their graduation cap. It reads, I survived with solid works,
Microsoft suite, open AI and LTT. Hey, congrats on making it through university,
but this does spark an interesting conversation about AI use in schools.
David left a comment on the post talking about using AI to assist with some learning and to
help with assisting in written works. I do want to just, can I screen share? Yep. Super cool.
That's awesome. Yeah.
Super cool graduation cap. Absolutely chatted. Love it. What else we got?
What else we got this week that we're supposed to be talking about? Ah, yes.
Giant, whoa, what's going on? Giant layoff bomb hits video games. After creative director
Dan Rickert left giant bomb, its parent company, fandom hit the pause button on its subsidiaries
production to perform a strategic reset and realignment of their media brands. This comes
two years after much of the giant bomb core left the gaming outlet. Polygon has been hit with over
20 layoffs after being sold to Vox by Vox to Valnet, owner of 27 plus click farm publications.
Valnet has been mired in controversy, including a lawsuit directed at competitor
the rap for 64 and a half million in damages due to libel from their article about Valnet owner
Hassan Youssef's ties to porn and accusation of sweatshop like working conditions. That's all
alleged, alleged. OG, the rap article seems pretty legit. And I think the lawsuit is a
Hail Mary defense. This is from our writer. I don't know what OG means is do we have a writer
whose initials are OG? Not that I can think of. Anyway, allegedly, allegedly. Original gangster.
Yeah, but thanks. Thanks for that, Dan. Original gangster, the rap article seems pretty legit.
Yeah, okay. Guys, it's fine. EA has laid off between 300 and 400 employees this week,
with a hundred of them coming from Premiere Studio Respawn, which has resulted in two game
cancellations, including sorry, Luke, a new Titanfall based extraction shooter. This was so
depressing here. Narrative designer Heather Woodward was one of the people let go just 24 hours
after the reveal of the first character that she wrote for Apex.
And hold on, where's this, where's this link that I, man, where's the link I sent in the chat?
If I, okay, if I send a link in the chat, it kind of means that I want to talk about the stuff it
says in the chat and, oh man, how to get fired from video games industry. This is hilarious.
Make a successful game. Well, no, it's got a whole, it's got a whole bunch of examples. Who, oh man, Apex lay off.
Hold on, hold on, where is it? Dang it.
Dang it, I can't find it. Is it from PC Gamer? Yeah, this is it. This is it from PC Gamer.
They've actually got a pretty, I don't want to call it funny because this is really terrible news,
but they've got a humorous, a humorous take on the situation. Let's look at all the reasons
why you might get laid off while working on a game, shall we? Your game doesn't do well. Okay, sure.
Your game is called a success by Microsoft. Microsoft lays you off. You help make a game
as successful as Marvel Rivals. You are then laid off. Your studio gets acquired for over $60
billion. You are then laid off. You endure executive pressure that forces you into making
games your studio isn't good at making. It doesn't go well. You are then laid off.
I guess that was monolith, I assume. I'm assuming, yeah, I don't know. Oh, no, this is arcane.
Doesn't make sense. Okay. Someone decides your portfolio needs to be aligned, reorganized,
restructured, become more flexible, agile, versatile under economic industry conditions.
Meanwhile, your CEO might have spent $2 million on vintage cars. You are then laid off.
Now we can add, you dared to work on a video game to that list, I guess.
This is, I don't understand the, I'm not understanding the logic here.
Can you help me understand the logic? Can any of you help me understand the logic?
Are any of you video game executives? Well, I think, okay, this is not,
as I know they do in the video game industry. They could be. You don't know that they aren't.
I think there's been a strong correlation since like 2023 of shrink company stock go up.
Well, I think that's well before 2023, sir. Is it?
Maybe more specific to the game industry, which admittedly probably had gotten a little bit
overambitious because of the COVID boom, but I mean, shrink company stock go up has been a thing.
Yeah, but there was a lot of drive, like especially in 2020, but also before 2020,
before COVID stuff, for gaming and tech companies to massively inflate their staff.
For gaming and tech companies, yes, but I'd say more generally, you know,
especially if a company is, you know, falling slightly short of analysts for projections.
So shrink it. Yeah, that's been a thing for a long time. Shrink and stock go up has been a thing for a long time.
I don't think we've seen it in gaming and tech for a long time. And then in COVID eras, they
cranked the inflate the staff numbers harder than ever before. And then coming out of it,
they're like, oh, wait, there's this way to pump the stock? Where you just fire a ton of people?
Okay, there's a few things, a few things in Floatplane Chat. This is a very passionate topic
for them. Jack Welch, former GE CEO, apparently started the fire people to make stock go up trend.
That was a long time ago. But we already kind of, we're all caught up on that.
Alana Pierce apparently has a really good video about these layoffs. So you guys are
apparently going to want to go check that out. Source, FSP9. But there was actually another
one that I wanted to look at here. And this is from Screenies in the Floatplane Chat.
CEOs of these companies need to stop selling their studios to giant corporations.
But here's the thing. It's not quite that simple. And when we toured Monolith,
it was actually shortly after their acquisition and talking to folks there,
the decision kind of made a lot of sense. Monolith was, I would say, like more of a
double A developer. Do you say that's a fair assessment? I wouldn't call a game like fear
triple A. Yeah. Like it was on a relatively, relatively small budget.
What's the definition again? Triple A games. Big budget, essentially.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you guys think that's a fair characterization?
I think so. I think so. I would say so for sure.
So I would say, you know, Monolith is like a double A, a double A game maker.
And even at that time, this was, this was years ago, right? Even at that time,
they were looking at the trend in the gaming industry that of, of development costs going
essentially parabolic and, and the returns going parabolic as well, but only for a small
handful of successful titles. So basically what you were locked in was this endless cycle
of like bet the entire farm, work, work, work, work, work, grind, grind, grind, grind,
crunch, crunch, crunch until you finally get to release hope that you have absolutely nailed it.
Right. Cause you bet everything. So you're, you're swinging for the fences.
You hope you nailed it. You get this enormous windfall of cash that's even bigger than last time.
Everybody has a party. Realistically, a lot of people still lose their jobs,
like QA staff are not really needed toward the beginning of game development where it's
more about ideation and laying of, you know, groundwork or whatever else. And then you,
and then you rinse and repeat because the expectation from the customer is bigger and
bigger and bigger. I mean, why do you think it's taking Rockstar so bloody long to make
Grand Theft Auto 6, which just got delayed? Ogrisaurus and full plane chassis. Then you
made Starfield. Well, that's exactly it. And so, so to answer your question,
but why do this? Why do they sell out? They sell out because that's exhausting.
And it's terrifying to go all in. I can tell you guys as a business owner who has gone all in
multiple times. Imagine, imagine you just make one product every like five years.
And if that product's not a banger, like, ouch. And even if it is a banger, how many underappreciated,
how many copies of Freelancer sold? I want to know. I want to know how many copies of Freelancer
sold. Okay. The video game Freelancer is reported to have sold approximately 20,000 copies in the UK
during the first half of 2003. While exact total sales figures are not readily available,
there were hopes that the game would sell at least 500,000 copies. And I can, I can tell you
that if it did 20,000 in the UK, it sure as hell didn't do 500,000 copies worldwide.
It was an awesome game. Awesome. So good. That doesn't mean it's successful. Yeah,
yeah, people are bringing up Titanfall. Just because a game is great doesn't mean that it's
going to sell. So you could do everything right. And you could still get f***ed. And like,
Titanfall was largely, a lot of people's opinion on that was that they were
the release window. Prey. Yeah, Prey. Marketing and stuff. Prey was a super cool game. Total
commercial flop. I mean, as far as I could tell, they probably gave away more copies with GPUs
than they actually sold. So that's the thing, right? So why do they sell out Luke? Well,
because they're terrified because that's their, that's their opportunity to realistically to cash,
to cash in on all the work that they did leading up until that moment. Like, yeah,
they got paid their salary or whatever else. But if they're, if the expect, if they're sitting
there in that moment, they just launched a huge game and they get a big offer that values their
company at something akin to the revenue that they're making right now on this huge game launch,
put yourself in their shoes and tell me that you have the, you have the personal integrity or
you have the personal code that would, that would make you turn away tens of millions of dollars
versus fear for your livelihood daily. I can, I can tell you, I can tell you a lot of people
are not going to answer this truthfully. I know. They might think they are. And I still
about you. It's not true. It is. I can tell you from experience, it is really difficult to say no
to tens of millions of dollars. Super hard. Doesn't regret it. Super hard. Kind of based.
Super hard though. Not easy decision. And you know what? I got, I got to tell you,
I got to tell you that I had, I had a, no, I had a big advantage there.
Huge advantage because when my offer came, we weren't starving. I already, I had literally
just purchased my dream home. Yeah. Right? Like, like I, we were, we were in a sustainable
space, right? Like we never took startup capital. We weren't like spending someone else's money and
trying to figure out returns and then taking the windfall and having to reinvest it, maybe even
go into debt towards the end of it to get this thing over the line, take on investment. We weren't
playing any of those games. I was running a profitable month to month, year to year, even
day to day. I was running a profitable company and you know, realistically, another 10 million
dollars wouldn't have changed my daily life, but just wouldn't have really made a difference. And
yeah, that is, that is an extremely privileged position. And I recognize that that is
realistically a huge part of why I was able to make the decision I was able to make.
But when making payroll every week is like absolutely freaking terrifying, I can understand.
I can understand. I would not do it. I can understand someone doing it. And I really don't
believe that a lot of people that would be like, I wouldn't do it. I don't believe that most of them
wouldn't do it. Me neither. I've been in related scenarios, so I can kind of trust my own answer,
I think. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah. So our, our worksmen in Floatplane chat put it really well.
I came to my decision from a position of power, not a position of fear. If I had been in a position
of fear, it would have been totally different. I had a little bit of fear, which was a big part of
why I even started the conversation in the first place. To be clear, when I say started, I mean,
was receptive to the conversation. I didn't reach out. And that fear was an interesting
conversation. Sometimes you want to have those conversations, even with zero intent. I like
knowing what my stuff's worth. Yes. It's like getting your coin collection assayed. I want to
know what my company is. It's an interesting conversation. Yeah. So, so we, we hadn't launched
backpack yet. So I had some fear that we had made an enormous bet that wasn't going to pay off. But,
but as I talked about prior to the backpack launch, which was a big part of the whole trust me bro
controversy, we even were approaching that large bet from a position of strength. If I had to refund
every single one of those backpacks, I could afford it. I knew that. Right. I wasn't in the
position of like a game company of someone on it, like in a game, in, in a leadership position at a
game company where they literally wouldn't know where their next meal was coming from if their
next game flopped. And this isn't always true. No. There are companies that have,
that are much more financially stable, that still sell out. There, there's, there's all these
different scenarios, right? Like it's, but I think the one that Linus is describing is a pretty
common one for probably the majority of studios that aren't just making like incredible bank
all the time. Not everybody's Larry. If they have an as a service game or whatever else,
or they're just like printing money with like, you know, a dozen active mobile games that are,
you know, gotcha AF, like, sure, there's, there's definitely examples. They already did the, the
selling out basically at that point. They're just sold out to themselves, I guess. So I guess I'm
talking more about your traditional game studio. Your traditional medium level successful, medium
to low level success. I'm speaking from my experience doing the tour at Monolith, basically
speaking to people who literally just went through this acquisition and more recently
have now been shuttered because they were pushed to make a game that wasn't really aligned with
their experience. Uh, or no, no, that one was, uh, it was the Wonder Woman IP one. Sorry, that was
actually a slightly different situation. I mean, pay, pay 90 brings up a good point. I mean, technically
even Larry is kind of got some, some misleading. Yeah. The way it was originally typed is a
misleading statement, but they, they, they had to go, they had to go sniffing around for money. And
if anything, I think that kind of adds strength to the point that I'm trying to make where it is a,
it is a ruthless, ruthless cutthroat business. It's tough. One of the most. And if, if someone,
if someone succeeds in that business and gets an opportunity to get theirs and they take it,
we cannot agree. We cannot like it. I can understand. But I think that there are very few
people and you might be one of them. I believe you are probably one of them. You might be one of them.
Who would say no, who would walk away from it and who would swing for the fences again and again
and again and would never get tired of it. But I do believe that most people would just say, well,
I mean, I got to eat. My kids got to go to school, you know, especially when you have dependence.
Yeah. My wife's got to drive a nice car. My family, my family member has whatever
problem that I could solve with this. Just imagine. Yeah.
I mean, look at, look at what people, look at what people will do for, you know,
the payouts on something like Beast Games, right? Or just, I mean, just Mr. Beast's videos in general.
Look, look at further than that, right? Like I'm in a fairly privileged position that
no one in my life is in one of those scenarios, right? So like,
like, if my mom was like, not going to make it unless I had a ton of money to ship her off to
some country to pay for some really expensive operation and somebody was like, you could do
this thing. Yeah, you do. Yeah. No question. So like there are lines. Everyone has lines.
In my current scenario, I can resist because I'm fine and I'll be fine. And I enjoy swinging
for the fences and I like it when it's hard. So pause. But you know, things could change
that would sway me for sure. All right. What are we supposed to be talking about?
Who knows? Oh yeah, the giant layoff bomb. Yeah. DOJ antitrust plan could kill Google search.
Testifying during the remedies phase of Google's search antitrust trial on Wednesday,
Google CEO Sunder Pichai claimed the US government's plan to rectify Google's search
monopoly might make it hard to justify continuing to build a search engine at all.
The government has proposed that Google be required to share much of its search data
and search index with competitors for a marginal cost. Pichai said that this would be a disaster
that would allow anyone to completely reverse engineer end to end any part of our technology
stack. Pichai's testimony also touched on the government's proposal to force Google to sell
Chrome. Several companies have expressed an interest, but Pichai argued there's no other
company that could match Google's care for the browser. Google spent tens of billions of dollars
on Chrome in the past decade and is responsible for more than 90% of the code commits to the
open source Chromium project, which makes up the core of Chrome and several of the browsers.
This comes as Google's share of global online search traffic has dipped below 90% for the
first time in a decade and has dropped below 80% in the desktop PC segment.
I mean, isn't Google basically like not going to bother making their traditional
search engine anymore anyway? Isn't that kind of the direction that we're going? Feels like it.
I think we're just we're just going AI at this point.
In other Google news, Google has killed smart features for their first and second gen
Nest thermostats. They will be killed effective October 25, 2025.
Okay, so hear me out. Actually not hear me out. I want to hear your take on this.
The first gen Nest learning thermostat came out 14 years ago.
You can still use it as a normal thermostat. What are the what features?
Well, the like learning and I guess the app control, right?
I think there's a difference between killing and no longer supporting.
Is it being killed or are they no longer supporting? It is effectively being killed.
You can. Yeah, you can't use the mobile app for control anymore.
Scheduling is why like this is a huge part of the reason why I put a strong
preference on if I'm buying something. I mean, this happened with was it the like
floor cleaning robot for smash dance or something? You were like, what happens?
Like, can I can I main to? I don't remember the exact. Can I still use it if the internet goes out or whatever and you're they were like,
and your reason was because you guys might not exist and they're like, of course will exist.
This is my whole point. If if the smart learning stuff, I paid more for up front
sticker price because the hardware in order to do that is in the device and it happens locally.
I am personally much more willing to buy. I don't think that's universally true.
People look at the sticker price dude entirely based off that. So they want the cheaper device where it happens remotely.
But this is why, right? I think I'm still mad. I don't think I care that it's 14 years ago because I didn't necessarily
buy it on launch day. So that that timeline is honestly probably shorter and like I'm not saying
I'm not mad because this thing is sold with these features and it does it never said,
hey, we'll turn them off in 14 years. Yeah. And if you bought it seven years ago, it didn't say, hey, we're going to turn it off in seven years.
When I saw 14 years, it still works WTF. They're killing specific features.
They're not saying that it's not working at all. Yeah. Like when I saw 14 years, I was like, I don't know. Do you really expect something
to last 14 years? And I was like, yeah, I do a thermostat. Yes.
I expect a thermostat to last as long as my house pretty much. Yeah.
Like what are what are we even talking about here? Yeah. Like this is not a, you know, this is not a smoke detector, you know,
change it every five years or 10 years or whatever. This is a freaking thermostat.
Does I don't have one? Is there the app control was the selling point?
Yeah, he knows. That's what he's saying. Why are you talking about, man? That's what he said.
No, it's the same guy. He said it still works WTF. They said the app control was the selling point.
What? What are you talking about? What are you talking about?
Because my point with like, if there's things on it that happened locally,
it becomes a dumb thermostat now. So there's no learning anymore.
And the easy thing to do if this, if, if a lot more of the stuff happened locally,
which maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, I don't know. I don't know this product very well, but the easy thing to do would just make it
so that people could control it with like home assistant or something. Yeah, but that's not that easy. You can't ask people to set up, flip in home assistant.
But it would be much cooler on the company if they allowed people to.
I don't know that it doesn't to be clear. Pyrophone. He says you can use home.
You can, but you can't expect a normie to do that.
This is the problem with the cloud. This is the problem with anything that's in the cloud.
They are disabling home assistant access. What? Are they actually?
Okay, this is worse than I thought. I don't know if that's true or not.
The whole thing should just be immediately open source if they're,
if they're killing it, if it's a smart device, if it has a processor on it,
then I mean, that's the right thing to do. They should just say, okay, well, here you go then.
Yes, it works locally, but won't work with hardware assistant.
So it's just losing app control. Even the app control thing is weird though, because like, like we said earlier, right?
You buy a product on a list of features. Like I think something needs to change legally and I don't know what it is.
But you, you shouldn't be able to sell a product and then as a company,
take features away from that product, right? Like that doesn't seem right.
Man, this is tough. So is there, is there, is there like a legal period of time?
Insomniac points out that the hardware can't do modern cryptographic ciphers,
which could legitimately be a good reason to EOL it.
They are offering a discount. That's an interesting one. On a new thermostat for a fourth gen nest learning thermostat.
They will give you, it looks like $130 off, bring it down to 150 bucks.
But boy, is that ever a lot of money to rebuy a thing that I thought I was buying.
But yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's okay. Aki says it's not fair to ask them to give that IP up.
We're not asking them to give it up. We're asking them to support it.
And then failing that. Well, I guess they better give it up.
They're making a choice though. Also, if it's 14 year old software for a thermostat, it's probably fine to give that up.
Cato Esco is fairly sure Home Assistant went through the cloud. Yeah. So some Home Assistant integrations are through the cloud,
which is why I insisted on finding thermostats that didn't.
So my ecobies do not. Yeah, makes sense. They are controllable locally by Home Assistant,
which means that if my internet's down, I can still adjust my in-floor heat.
That's exactly how I would want to do that purchasing decision for sure.
But yeah, I don't know. I think they need to figure something out. Because this is happening with lots of different products where they're just
being like, no, we're not going to support it anymore. And 14 years is a long time, but it's still them going.
Well, we're not going to support this anymore for a device that traditionally,
people expect these things to last forever, right? Yeah, I expect a thermostat to just be, if I bolt it to my house,
functionally, I expect it to be part of my house.
And I guess the line would be if it's something that is expected to be included
when I sell the house. You get what I mean? Yeah.
So, you know. Most people aren't going to rip their nest off the wall. Or their dishwasher out.
That to me is the line, right? So if it becomes part of my house, I expect it to last like my house.
I mean, it's not like the thermostats that we had in my house when I was a kid.
Just like, you know, oh yeah, the mercury in the little tube went bad.
So we throw it in. What are you even talking about? No, it's a thermostat.
Part of the house. You just, you need to be able to control the heat and the cold.
I mean, I think I have to assume.
Yeah. Like it's like light switches. What am I going to change all my light switches?
Because there's like a cryptographic compatibility. Practically all mine because they're breaking because our apartment building sucks.
But anyways.
Raiden 428 says, do you expect a smart watch to last as long as a regular watch
is a shorter lifespan, a trade-off for the features?
For a watch though. There's a difference between the device dying and the device being killed by a company.
Because like I could still use a pebble smart watch if I was willing to
use a black and white display. You know, and I'm willing to, you know, fight with the rebel app or whatever.
Also that went open source. That's a great example of Google actually open sourcing something
that they took over and killed. So that is how it's supposed to work.
Funny we should be talking about smart watches, but.
Yeah, like honestly, I think when people are looking at a traditional watch
versus a smart watch, I think they are, it is very easy to do the calculus of figuring out,
hey, this thing might not last as long as this mechanical device that,
in a lot of cases, can last practically forever. It's not necessarily easy to be like, I'm going to make a random guess on how long
this company is going to support this thing. I also think there's a sort of a sort of a sort of implied support period too, right?
Like when I, when I buy a smartphone accessory, I think the implication is that it's a,
it's kind of a piece of my smartphone. I don't necessarily compare it to a regular watch.
And the pitch, the original pitch that the company is making is also hugely important.
Like when Google sold the Nest, or I guess when Nest sold the Nest,
because I don't think they'd been acquired by Google yet at that point, though you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong on the timeline.
When they sold the Nest, they were just selling a thermostat.
They were like, it's a thermostat. By the way, it also connects to your phone and smart and it learns.
They didn't say like, like to your point earlier that it'll stop working in 14 years.
But they did say that it connects to your phone and smart and it learns. But it's sort of phone accessory.
Totally. It's a home accessory. Any of those things stop.
It's now, it was now in my opinion, falsely advertised.
Yeah, because it does still work as a thermostat, but that was never really how they pitched it.
They pitched it as a piece of my home that does all this cool stuff in the cloud.
Whereas no, to me, the smart watch is an accessory for your phone.
Like I, I, and maybe part of that is just like my own mental gymnastics here.
Like right, trying to divide a line that was something I intuitively understood
or, you know, something that I believe, but not necessarily everyone would agree with, right?
Well, man, this is wild dude.
Like there, this is just the tip of this spear.
Yeah, every, this is becoming more and more of a problem. Every smart device anyone's ever bought is going to be deprecated at some point.
And probably not properly in our opinion.
Yeah. And then what? It's just, it's e-waste.
That's it. Okay. After dark time. Hit me, Dan.
Look at that. One button, like an absolute bouse.
Seems like a low priority. Do you? Yeah. Make an air table integration.
Yeah.
Oh, no, don't, you can't say that because you might hear you and then.
Yeah. Don't, don't, don't give Conrad ideas. He just does stuff sometimes.
No, stop it.
And I'm muted. I'm muted. Of course. Fake emails. Fake personas. Fake techie Dan, large Luke and short Linus.
Question for you all other than VPN. What protections do you guys do for your privacy?
Love the content. Fake emails, fake personas. I have multiple people.
Here we go.
I, I know they're, they're full names. First, middle, last.
I know lots of these random types of details. They have profiles online.
They have emails, all this kind of stuff that I can just whip out at any time.
They're not real. Made them up mostly when I was like.
Between. Tell me you were involved in some shit without telling me you were involved in some shit.
So, and I, I mean, I still got them.
They can be pulled out at any time.
For a long time, I would use the White House as my address for like everything.
Nice. Netflix. My, my address was the White House the whole time.
I have to imagine some random junk mail was addressed to me and sent to the White House
and thrown out at some point. Nice. Pretty cool.
That's actually pretty big.
I'm relatively certain that happened.
Very little. I basically use a VPN exclusively for Linux ISOs.
Cause I never know when I'm going to want to like fire up a game and I don't want to
have to like remember to turn off my VPN and I could configure it to only,
you know, use certain applications through the VPN, but I have not been arsed
to do that. So that's where we're at on that.
I mean, this is, this is, this is a terrible take, but I have nothing to hide.
Well, that is a terrible take. And that's not even what you believe.
But I have nothing to hide in a non-oppressive regime
and in a, in a societal position of strength. That's still a bad take.
It's a terrible, I just told you it's a terrible take. I think your thing is more that everything's already been breached.
My privacy ship sailed. Yeah. So long ago that even if I did have stuff to hide, I would have basically no hope of,
you know, concealing it from the next. It's like locking the Windows when all your doors are off the hinges.
It's like, well, all right. And I'm not saying that anything that I'm doing applies to any of you guys.
And there are still some privacy steps that you take.
Like what? There are some. Oh yeah, I take some.
But you're just not that into it because you're pretty compromised already.
And, and realistically, right? Like I really found that, that the amount of interest in my private life
and my private life's details declined sharply when I just started publishing it.
Like when it was hugely, hugely life changing for me,
when we published the address of Linus Media Group on Google Maps.
Because all of a sudden, all of the, oh, where's the office?
Where are they based? Blah, blah, blah, just went away. Just completely went away.
And, you know, there's obviously still steps that we take with respect to
physical privacy and security. But, you know, I, I'm not deluded, right?
Like I'm obviously aware that I drive a pretty distinctive car.
That is a decision that I have made, knowing what the security and privacy implications are.
I don't think that I'm a particularly polarizing figure for the most part.
You know, it does only take one completely deranged person, I guess, at the end of the day.
But like, I don't actually see anybody being like that mad about like a bad review on an
Intel CPU or whatever. I just don't really. I feel like it was worse back in the day.
Yeah. Like back in the. Like cheese melts best or whatever.
Like I don't, I don't see anybody actually being like that angry about anything that we talk about.
That I could see people being really, very angry about. But like, I, I got more like, I can't even remember the last one at this point.
But I, I got them relatively frequently back in the house.
I would get like death threats and stuff. Remember somebody sent me like a long essay on how they, with details of how they wanted to
murder me because of a review I did on something back in the day. Nice.
And I was like as nuts. I sound like a cool person. Yeah.
I was like, uh, probably not gonna happen. Probably lots of women.
Probably pillows. I mean, well, yeah, I didn't say they were real.
Yeah, I don't know. I just kind of wrote. Trig says, just don't talk about bowing.
Yeah, don't review. Don't review a plane.
Well, a bowing plane. I guess. Yeah, not a bowing plane.
What about like a Dassault plane? Just curious. I'm just, it's a random manufacturer.
Pull it out of thin air. Yeah, sounds probably fine.
Probably not big enough, not murderous enough. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm just checking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Hey, Dan Land and the man, here is my interest.
Like hypothetically a Falcon 50. Just hypothetically.
Reviewing that. Yeah. Like if we made a video on that.
I think that'd be pretty cool, actually. I'm just curious. I don't think the company would try to murder you.
I think it would be an interesting challenge from an artistic perspective
to have you try to review something that is so traditionally outside of your wheelhouse.
Yeah, for sure. Your hanger. Yeah. Oh, I like that.
There we go. It's a weird thing to call it, but sure.
Sorry, go ahead. No, that's fine. Hey, Dan Land and the man, here's my interest free loan.
How does full plane differ from other creator run content platforms?
How is it better or worse than them? Can you guess who the man is?
Luke? What? Sure. Let's go with Luke.
Sorry, what was the thing? Dan Land and the man.
They wanted us to guess who the man is because Land could be either of us.
I don't know. Oh, man. Oh, I saw you were ready for that one.
Dude, that was so good. That was crazy. Oh, that was nuts.
Nailed it. That was actually wild. Oh, man.
That was awesome.
This is a high note. Are there more merch messages? Because I just want to end this show now.
That was awesome. That was pretty good. Wrap it up, everyone.
Oh, that was great. No, no, no. Sorry, we got a few more.
We got a few more. We got a few more. Wow. Yeah.
So how does Floatplane differ from other creator-run content platforms?
I wouldn't say that functionally, it's that different, right?
Like, it's a way to safeguard our income streams.
You guys saw, Floatplane makes up, I think it's 7% of our total income.
We're actually over 40,000 subscribers on Floatplane right now.
So thank you guys so much for your incredible support.
It's a way of engaging more closely with our most committed community members.
So it's awesome that way. You get extraism behind the scenes, a little bit of early access sprinkled in here and there,
secret shoppers doing early access this time around on Floatplane.
So they all kind of, I would say, function the same way.
But what I'd say is really cool about Floatplane. Similar way.
Yeah, yeah, similar way. I think the main dividing line between the platforms is the subscription
model. Sure. Yeah, whether it's a subscription, like in all you can eat for multiple creators,
or whether it's in-house for only one single creator, like we saw at Rooster Teeth,
or whether it's kind of, I'd say we're like kind of a hybrid,
where I'd say the closest thing we are to is something like a Patreon,
where you can sign up as a creator and then your money that you get from your subscribers is your
money, except the difference is that our fees are structured around being really
heavily focused on video content delivery.
There's also percentages and ours are flat rates.
Like there's little differences in the subscription model, but the overall flow of come to platform, pay money, receive content.
Pretty similar and not compete with YouTube. Yeah, yeah.
It's something that they all have in common. But I would say the thing that sets us apart the most is our team.
I think our team's super cool. I think our team's incredibly talented.
I'm not saying any of the other teams aren't cool or talented. I'm sure they're very cool and very talented.
But we like ours. But we really are super into ours.
And I think it's really incredible what they've done on the technology side.
I think from the outside, a lot of our stuff looks kind of basic sometimes.
And we kind of honestly suck at some of the more business-y sides of things.
The fact that we still don't have a trial, sort of embarrassing, we know that.
There's a few things like that. There's a few things like that. But in terms of the player tech, it's really good.
In terms of the CDN, I don't even want to call it platform.
Because it's more of like, how would I even describe it?
Like the CDN web that exists to serve the video on the back end
is like a combination of off-the-shelf and custom and both.
So a couple of things. One, the player tech was mostly really fantastic a while ago.
I think we peaked in, I'm not very good with dates.
I'm going to guess like 2018 with the color thing.
That's pretty cool. That was pretty wild. We were legitimately the only ones able to serve full color on Chrome.
And I think it was Firefox at the time. Non-edge browsers. Yeah, it was weird.
There was a situation where Netflix was advertising people watching Netflix in edge.
But that was not a thing that Microsoft was sponsoring them to do.
They were telling people to watch it in edge because it was the only way that you could get full color.
Like proper color. Like it wasn't like washed out or it wasn't like shifted.
It was really weird. But while they were running those advertisements, we had a player that could play full color in those other browsers,
which was really sick. These days, we tend to give better quality video.
But there isn't as much special differentiating sauce in the player.
I'm just being honest. Yeah. And then what was the other thing that you said?
There was the player. Public CDN site. Oh yeah, CDN site. So we made this thing called float CDN back in the day,
where it was a multi CDN solution. So we could automatically kind of like switch between which one was the cheapest.
The due to bargaining and whatnot.
These days, it's like for VOD, it's like pretty much just Cloudflare.
But we still have the tool. It just doesn't.
And if our deal with Cloudflare changed. We can turn it on.
Pray I don't alter it any further, you know. Yeah. Then we have that.
Yeah. Which is pretty cool because we were operating extremely bootstrap.
And so just, I don't know, let's just hire someone who knows AWS and implement that.
That was not an option. We needed to generate revenue month to month.
I mean, it was an option if we just wanted to lose more money. No, well, I mean, it wasn't under the marching orders that you gave us at the time,
which is still the marching orders that we have, which is that it needs to be resilient.
One of your biggest things was like, it needs to continue to exist. Because at that point in time, the biggest problem with these platforms is they pop up
for a year, maybe a year and a half, maybe two years and then die.
And they would just disappear. And it was really frustrating for creators because you bring your audience to this thing.
Yeah. And then it's just gone. And I actually forgot, one of the other major pillars was no fang should be able to just
arbitrarily decide that you don't exist anymore. And that's a huge part of the way that Floatplane is architected.
No fang company, and I guess fang's like the old one, Marvelous 7 or whatever it is.
No one entity can just be like, yeah, no.
And there's stuff where like OVH, for example, if OVH just pulled the plug,
it would hurt, we're not gone.
We might be gone temporarily. Have you ever publicly acknowledged like how much of our hosting is in OVH?
A lot of it is. It's not all. Okay. I'm just wondering if we've ever publicly acknowledged that.
You used to be very squeamish about like talking about where anything was hosted or
anything, security through obscurity. I think I have mentioned it since.
It's so like, I don't love talking about this stuff, but it is very easy.
Like if someone's interested, you can figure that out pretty easily.
I'm just checking. I never know where your comfort zone is. Like I actually messaged him earlier today.
We had an old video idea. I've been going through our doc and kind of categorizing things.
My answer is probably not, but honestly, just because it's less interesting these days.
Like that thing with the player. I think you underestimate. It used to be more interesting.
Yeah, but we could include some of the history, which I think would be super cool,
because it's stuff we've never talked about.
And I think it would be a chance to highlight some of the accomplishments of that team, which I think would be super cool.
Yeah, it could be pretty cool. See, I know how to tug on his heart straight.
I'm like the AI chatbot with the researchers. I've been thoroughly briefed on him.
And I know how, I know which strings to pull, but think of highlighting your team and their accomplishments.
Luke, I wasn't on board until he said that.
And then yeah, now I'm kind of down. But yeah, I know we had an idea to just do like, how does flow?
What, what the heck is the plan and how does it actually work?
There might be a really good timing for this.
Is that what made you think about it? That's part of it. Yeah, that makes sense.
Okay. Is that a good enough answer on that?
Cool. I forgot what the question was, but probably not. Yeah, it's probably good.
Okay, yeah, cool. Let's see.
Dan, Dan, Dan, Luke, Newcombe and Linus.
Linus, have you ever considered using magnetic starting zippers?
No, I've never heard of that. So you, they just like magnet together at the bottom and then you zip it?
Man, this really is feeling a little bit like a zipper magnet type.
Okay, what am I looking at? YKK America's group, 1.39,000 subscribers.
What? Oh, that's sick. What?
That's, I'm sorry, what? Am I just being like, old man yells at cloud, like this seems unnecessary.
It does seem highly unnecessary. I think it helps people who maybe don't have the dexterity to be able to attach a zipper together.
Oh, that makes sense.
Very wise if you did.
I've never seen one of these. I've never seen that before. That's, that's kind of cool.
No, I have never heard of that and never considered it, but I, I guess it's on, it's on my radar now.
Thank you. Hi, early.dll might be in still in discussions or I've yet to watch delayed watch,
but will the gift cards only be usable in the US store?
Thanks and understand the headache. I believe there's an FAQ.
Oops, sorry, that's old. I'm gonna split into two.
Yeah, here we go. Control F gift.
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Hello, Dennis Tuke and Wanny. I want to replace my router without reconnecting all my devices.
How can I do this? I looked on the LTT forum and didn't see anything.
Theoretically, you can just change the SSID in the password to the same thing that they were before.
In practice, I found it doesn't always work. Good luck.
Which would be a good thing. But not a convenient thing.
True, but you don't want that to happen. Just being clear.
Hey guys, Luke, what is usually breakfast of choice?
Chicken breast. Nothing. That's terrible.
I tend to skip breakfast. Black coffee. I have coffee too. Black coffee.
I drink coffee. I microwaved a corn on the cob this morning.
I felt that in my soul.
What? Corn is a delicious and nutritious. No, just like the vibe.
Just like me. My wife doesn't love me, so I put corn in the microwave.
No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. She does. No, I'm a heathen and I don't like eggs.
I wish I did. Actually, no, that wasn't today. But I don't.
Today, I had a dentist appointment in the morning and I couldn't eat.
But yeah, most breakfast food I'm not into. I love cereal, but cereal is like sugar.
Cereal is like a dessert food. Cereal is actual sugar. Starting your day with dessert, maybe not the best strat.
Yeah, I haven't finished it yet, but I've read a considerable amount of sugar, salt and fat
or salt, sugar, fat, whatever that book. That's basically about how big food in this,
like especially in the 90s, basically was like, ah, all of you and put sugar in everything
until we all got diabetes. What happens when we subsidize corn
and people make corn syrup? What happens now?
It's honestly, it's not even that conspiracy theory.
They just like discovered the bliss point, essentially, in food engineering.
And we're like, oh, so we just put more of this in it
and then people will literally start to develop addictive behaviors around our food.
It's wild. What stuff, like when you read labels and things
like beef jerky, why does beef jerky have sugar in it? Yeah, because it's delicious.
I assumed it would be salt and beef. Dude, they literally hooked up like brainwave
monitoring crap on kids and then gave them dozens
of formulations of Oreos and then saw which one lit up the pleasure centers the most.
And then we're like, that one. That makes sense.
Oh, yeah. Me plus sugar is good though. Literally though.
Damn, dude. We have salt way too much sugar.
Yep. All right. Hi, LDL. Love the show.
Been watching for years. Professional curiosity here,
but do you know what data visualization software you use at LTT?
Nope. Data visualization software?
I wasn't sure if they were talking about graphs or anything else.
Because wow, we use a bunch to be honest.
Grafana is the first one that jumps to mind. Cool. Because we use it in multiple parts of the company.
High charts is, is it high charts? I'm pretty sure it's high charts.
It's one that we use for the Labs website. If you can't remember, maybe using it too much.
Using it too much. Yeah. That's why you can't remember. Yeah. High charts.
Oh, damn, man.
You have to get it first. Delay and got a vacation.
Come on. And there's, there's a bunch of other ones.
Cabana, I, that name rings too much of a bell.
I'm sure that's somewhere. There's so many.
There's so many. I mean, if you go on the infrastructure side, there's like a trillion.
Because like this one or that one's better at this thing or that thing and whatever else.
I don't know. We even make our own sometimes.
Tooljet. We got that going on.
Could you count air table? Probably. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. That's just got a chart in it.
Oh yeah. Yeah. We have data. Cryons. Count Google Sheets. Freaking everything.
Man. Yeah. Like my goodness. I don't know.
D3JS and ChartJS sometimes. Google Sheets charts. Yeah. Conrad threw those in.
Yeah. Man. There's like, I don't know. Name it.
We probably use it somewhere.
Aloha DLL. I remember a while ago mentioning a video about a steam deck
as a daily desktop computer. Did that ever release?
I don't think we ever like committed to daily driving it.
But we did do this one where we compared it to a PC for about the same price from like a performance
and general usage standpoint.
So that was pretty cool. So you could kind of check that out.
So if you get your beard back.
Oh yeah. I've made progress, Dan. And grow your hair a little bit.
I am going to complete my bike before Luke finishes Final Fantasy 6.
That's very exciting. I am. I will.
Check this out. I have real.
I've progressed. Have you. I didn't tell you when you told me about your bike thing
because I didn't know if you're going to mention it on Wansha or not. But I have progressed.
I progressed before you sent me the bike stuff. Uh-oh.
Okay. It's still on. It's on. Oh, that's the wrong person whose name starts with a D.
Hold on one second. And I'm going on a trip soon with a lot of long flights.
Are they hard? Are they long and hard?
They've got it. Technically the plane, it has some girth to it. And it is a tube.
Can't even get both your hands around it. No. It's just factually correct.
But who makes it? Is it DeSalle? Uh-oh. I'm just curious.
It's hypothetical. Probably not in this case.
Probably not. Yeah, probably not. Probably very likely Boeing.
Uh-oh. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. You should get one that's straight.
Sure. Sure. This is a stretch there, bud.
Whoa, that looks nice. It was determined that if you deal with stocks
while you're on a plane that is actively crashing, it's not insider trading.
Really? Yes. So if you're like on a Boeing
and the door flies off and your plane's going to crash. You should sell.
You could whip the laptop out. Short Boeing. And buy shorts.
Okay. Only if the end's like, why if I works?
Oh, I did it wrong. Go, go. They're a bike. Okay.
So what we're looking at here is every piece of the bike
at a minimum primed. Are you, do you need multiple coats of priming?
Because they look like they're in different states. So the primer is gray.
Okay. So what we're looking at right now is everything completed priming.
Okay. So that's like a DTM direct to metal, metal primer.
And then, Dan, what are you doing, bud? Well, now you can talk about it and then you can see it.
Keep moving it. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Keep it, keep it big. Keep it big. Okay, all right, fine.
Okay, some of the pieces are fully coated in white.
I need white in order to get a vibrant pink. I discovered this when I was doing the many experiments
that I've done over the last couple of years. So I need a nice, even vibrant white
in order to get a nice, even vibrant pink, which is what I'm going for.
So there's a couple of pieces in between the two wheels
that are done, done in the white.
However, a lot of my white stuff that I have coated
either had like issues with the coating because I had not really gotten good with the white paint yet,
or has been damaged because I didn't actually have my setup
such that I could hang every single piece at once before.
And that caused a ton of problems for me, like just a ton of rework and resending and recoding
and then doing it again. So I finally just put another rack in there
so I can actually hang every single piece of it all at the same time now.
So some of them, so you can see on the front fairing there on the far left, top left,
there's like some blasted bits of primer over top of the white.
That's areas where the white was damaged or the coverage wasn't very good and I need to hit it again.
The close left portion, is that shadow? No.
So that's primer spray there. Yeah, that's a quick spray of primer over a spot
that was down to the bare plastic on that one. I could tell in some other spots, but there I wasn't sure.
And then I am going to be, so the next stage is I'm going to be doing
like a quick touch up blast of white on some of the ones that just were spot primed.
Then I'm going to be doing a full coat of white on any of the ones that are gray.
So those are mostly the one center frame and at the bottom left rack.
Then I will do a full finish, a second coat of white
on all the ones that just were like spot primed or spot whited.
And then I will do a second coat of white on the ones that just got their first coat of white.
And that'll be like probably a three hour session,
three and a half hour session. And then everything will be white.
Are you still committed to growing the beard back out once you're done?
That'll be up to you, Vaughn, just like it always is. Sure, fair enough. So after white, hold on, bring the picture back.
Bring the picture back. So after white, the next thing that I need to do
is spray the wheels, pink, specifically the wheels, both sides.
Then I need to mask, you can actually...
Oh, I don't know if you can see it on the picture. That picture is there to be my inspiration in the top middle.
Okay, yeah, yeah. Get a zoom. Zoom, zoom, zoom.
Is this going to work? Okay, you can't really see it.
But I want each of the wheels to have a pink stripe around it.
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to paint them pink, but like minimally, I'm only going to be focused on the area
where like the stripe is as long as I can get a nice even coat.
Then I tape that off and paint the whole wheel black.
Then I clear coat.
That's going to look sick. It's going to look awesome. That's going to look so good. That's going to look great.
Let's hope. I thought you were going to say green and I was like, what? Get it?
Gross. No, no, it's going to be pink and black. Yeah. And it's like a super cool pink.
That's sweet. It has like an effect crap that they add to it.
I mean, it's so long since I did it. The pearlescent flaking rim. Yeah, like a flaking or pearlescent thing.
Pearl, it's a pearl. It's like a purple pearl. So in the light, it'll kind of catch it and turn kind of blue-purple.
Cool. That'll be sweet. Yeah, I'm pretty excited.
Worth the no beard. And then honestly, I think that it's going to be a very imperfect job.
But I think I just accept that now. Like what I've discovered is that I picked basically hard mode by doing a,
so what is this? So prime, prime, white, white, maybe third coat white, depending on my coverage,
two coats pink, two coats effect layer, and then two to three coats of clear coat.
So this is anywhere from an 11 to 12 layer process on parts that have extremely irregular shapes.
It's basically like a nightmare paint job, which I didn't fully understand.
To go back and do it again. I definitely would have just done a solid color with no pearl and no nothing,
but at this point I'm unlocked. So I think that it probably won't look that good if you look closely,
but as long as it's like, realistically, if I'm riding safely, nobody should be within
about 10 feet of my bike anyway. So that's 10 foot job.
Is that all I got? Pause. Okay.
I mean, no, that's all. Oh my, that just made it so much worse.
So much worse. I don't even know what's coming. Don't. Oh my god.
Stop the show. Show is, show is. Oh my god.
What's in your bag? Come on, pull it out. Come on.
No, it's, oh, yeah, it's because I was grabbing something from the bag.
Yeah, he was. Is that what you call it?
Bag of tricks. So you need all your cash for it, right?
He doesn't know. I know he knows. That's why he kept it going for so long.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Wait, really? I don't. Yeah, I also don't. That's his lying, his lying.
No, it's really not. I actually have no idea what you're talking about. I don't believe him.
Well, you mean, although like, do I know about that? I'm in you endowing?
Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I have no idea. I was, no, I wasn't lying.
I was saying I had no idea what's in your bag. I don't know. No, that's just, I want you to look at one more thing
after the show on my laptop. That's completely unrelated. Oh, what?
Like after the show? Yeah. Wait, you're stalling the end of the show
You're stalling the end of the show. No, I thought you were saying that.
I thought you told them they have one more thing. No, no, no, no. Bear with me on this one.
You said pause. You said pause. No, I said pause because he said foot job.
Foot job? Yeah. Did I say foot job?
Ten foot job. Oh, come on.
That wasn't even intentional. What are you even talking about?
So basically you just gigantically cock teased them
for no reason. Oh my god. No, they got it. They got it. I got excited for nothing.
Chat understood. No, they thought there was another thing. No, chat understood.
Well, I mean, we're probably both right.
All right, well, we'll see you then next week. Same bad times, same bad channel.
Bye.
I think you're not going to care, but I still want you to see it anyways.
Thing for the all hands.