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Fans were spinning and that my friends is why Dell is the official laptop partner of the WAN Show instead of a

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Susan Lenovo. Yeah, apparently Well, this works it does I

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Yeah, on ironic, we're not even this isn't even the real show. I

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Unironically like this laptop quite a bit It works. It's a good machine every time I show up at functions. That's all I really ask

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That's a lot to ask sometimes it seems. Yeah

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Yeah, the bare minimum. I Have never had it not work. It's great. That's huge

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Look for the bare Necessities the simple bare necessities

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Forget about your worries and your strife

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All right, so are we grilling? No

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The whole thing So stupid

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So dumb that makes me want to grill more. I can't I can't believe how legitimately upset some people seem to be about the cheese thing I

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I actually can't I and like with everything that I've been through in the last, you know, three years

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this This is the one that I'm just like

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What do you even mean? What are you even talking about? You should you should fully embrace the meme you should book out

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like that that field By LSS where they have like rib fest and stuff and you should have burger fest and

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The whole thing should be a variety of different cheeses

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Charge for entry charge like five We'll do a blind taste test. We'll do a blind test. Yeah. Yeah, we'll we'll put you know

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But no my whole thing is make money off of them being

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Sell shirts So one shirt that's like American cheese is real cheese and sell another shirt that's American cheese isn't fake

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Sell the American cheese is fake shirt only on the global store

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So your plan is sell the American cheese is real cheese only on the American so your genius plan is to piss off everyone

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It's the it's the old Steve job strategy of

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Pitting the teams against each other. Okay. Yeah

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All right. Yeah, I'd love to talk about how terrible the UX UI is on the new Plex app, honestly. Oh

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Sure, why don't we throw it? Why don't we throw the new Plex app in here?

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You know what have been driving me nuts lately and is potentially negative on this laptop, but maybe I'm wrong

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Maybe it's a Windows problem. I don't know. I think it's a laptop thing But it seems to be fairly universal for like all the laptops

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So this isn't maybe specific to Dell since when did holding down function get you the F keys?

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Oh, you can change that in the BIOS. Okay. Yeah, you can yeah

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That's so annoying. Yeah, but you could yeah, you just change which one is default in the BIOS and cool. Okay, sweet

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I'm probably honestly not gonna do that for this laptop, but that's good to know

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Make the cheese shirt reversible

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That's pretty that's pretty sick

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All right, should we just should we just do this thing?

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How about we just do this thing should we do this thing? I mean, I'm down. Okay, maybe launch it at 430 dead. Yeah, does that work?

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Why is when on time?

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Yeah, yeah, I want to win the last time we were on time was

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Okay, so before we get there, I think I've figured out the cheese thing

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Okay, so there's different kinds of American cheese

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Okay, craft singles are crappy American cheese. Okay. Okay, and then the rest of American cheese appears to be bland

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Cheese that has the emulsifying salts in it. Okay, so

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Realistically, I would never put it on my food anyway because I like cheese with flavor

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You're gonna get some spicy people in the chat angry with you. I'm just I'm just I'm just giving them a hard time. I'm just giving them a hard time

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Also Also Are like typical like grocery store-ass cheddar

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So my confusion that you would have any difficulty melting a standard-ass brick of Kirkland cheddar is

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Legitimate because here it melts just fine, but maybe somewhere it doesn't. Oh, yeah, like English cheddar is basically like a small brick

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Yeah, I think that would be more difficult to melt or at least melt differently

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But who the hell is putting English cheddar on a burger? So what are we even talking about absolutely no one so no one eats burgers in England

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No, no, no, I'm just saying you wouldn't buy it here to like I mean, there's like it's a style

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Dude, this whole thing was frustrating because people are just like, you know, like it's not all cheese is this it seems like

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When I went when I went to Paris for a couple of weeks Literally what I would eat for at least one meal every day is I would just go to the boulangerie

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I would get a baguette and then I would go to the fromagerie and I would get some random cheese

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I'd never tried before and I would eat them and it was great. I love cheese This is the way to go. I love cheese. I just

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Don't think that it's difficult To melt a square of cheese on a burger

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And it's funny because my whole thing was like skill issue if you can't do it

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Because it comes pre-sliced so you don't have to slice it evenly I do not struggle with

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It's not a skill issue. I have a skill issue

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Excuse me. It's not a skill issue. I just only play the game on easy. I only play the game on story difficulty

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I'm not bad at Dark Souls. The guys just keep killing me

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One minute 44 seconds. Oh man

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But yeah, it's it's pretty funny and Benny's like it's more for smash burgers and it's like that's fine

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That's your take but you got it. You got to remember that you are just one member of an audience that is

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Thousands or in the case of the Vaude hundreds of thousands strong and there are plenty of people in that audience

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That did not say that and did not think that and so the whole thing has just been like, oh

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My god, would it be funny if when the cafeteria opens at smash jams if you had a smash burger at smash jams

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I think I think the cheese thing is actually gonna gonna pass here line is 60 seconds

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You got those selected stop bashing our cheese, bro I don't care if you bash our politics or our collective IQ

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There's like a cleaner for your hands to get all the residue and stuff off

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Cato s I don't hate dairy. I'm just saying humans consuming it at all is weird. It is super weird

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It's like why why is it taboo? You know if my wife is lactating for me to be like can I have some?

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I do think that's a little different, but it is funny. Anyways, do you see Adams coming? No

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This is who you're associated with Adam. Yeah

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Yep, wait, I am it's for the views Adam We got we got you can't you can't you can't be getting views out here not having interesting takes

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You can't be have getting views out here. Just I did not have like cheese

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147 IQ that's what a that's what or he didn't do it enough. That's what it. That's what a decrease

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I have an impact or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing about lead is it's cumulative

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Humulative I love that word

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This is great PK 7 is on fire saw that was really good actually cumulative is a fun word it grows on you

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That's very good. I love it. That's very good actually outstanding. Yeah

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Think we drop IQ more than the lead. Yeah, probably no we give high IQers a break

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Because everyone needs rest time. That's taking focused rest time. That's true. Okay. We should do this. Yeah

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It's true, and I've looked it up in the past as well I'm just one of the reasons why I've favored outdoor ranges and my grandpa said that and he was around before the internet

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It's weird. I'd believe your grandpa much fake news because if I didn't believe me cut me

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Not much man. Welcome to the WAN Show

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We've got a great show lined up for you guys this week. We're gonna be talking about

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Tariffs, that's right Price is gone. We're talking about tariffs

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We are we must be the only podcast this week discussing tariffs

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Yes, and the only podcast hosted by a bunch of white dudes discussing

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Tariffs in their 30s Wow

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Barely Extremely unique you've got a little bit you got a little bit got a little bit tariffs will still be here when you're out, but you know

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also In other news corporations lied what what did apple lied they lied in the epic case

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Actually, the epic case has gotten a lot more epic over the last little while

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I am I'm pretty excited for this because I had a lot of people hating on me for being like yeah

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Not a big fan of Tim Sweeney Not a big fan of fortnight, but they're like fucking obviously right about this and

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It turns out Even in America

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At least one judge agrees things are about to get very very good for consumers on the App Store

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What else we got speaking about things getting the bad in my opinion

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About the layoffs or the other layoffs or the AI taking over and then layoffs next try another one AI getting laid off

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It's debatable if that's better not next one. I don't know what I NASA getting defunded by 25%

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Okay, actually the biggest NASA fanboy right here and

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How are you doing? How are you sir? How would you say you're feeling about NASA being defunded by 25%?

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Also, they're supposed to go to fucking Mars somehow with their budget cut. Yeah

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And but without the stepping stone mission that was supposed to establish everything they needed to go to Mars

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How'd you yeah, I'd love to let you finish but

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Shows brought to you by Vessie Squarespace Thoram and of course our rap partner D brand our laptop partner

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No, and our chair partner secret lab. Should we jump right into the headline topic?

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Yeah, I forget what it is. Ah, yes terrace

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Import loophole closes and things are about to cost more you see I think a lot of people didn't fully grasp

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They don't sound like that much. They don't sound like a huge deal

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But here's the thing the big change is not necessarily the amount that the tariffs are or the categories of products that they're on or

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Even the source of the goods that are being tariffed the big thing that's going to impact

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Exemption so the de minimis exemption was

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She and Ali express Hem you. Yeah

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I don't know LTT Store calm to ship items that otherwise would have already been tariffed

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Into the United States without them being tariffed as long as the total order was under $800

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that is Gone I believe yeah, May 2nd May 2nd. So that is gone today

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Yeah, this is this is a B2B2C or business-to-business-to-customer strategy that like a lot of people are employing now because of this change now

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I'm about to say something that's gonna sound pretty flippin wild

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Closing exemptions that mostly benefit fast-fashion and like manufactured e-waste

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pieces of junk over the ocean One at a flipping time rather than consolidating them on container ships

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Sending them across the ocean that way and then having them distributed on the other side

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It should be made to last and if for whatever reason it doesn't last

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There's always the trust me bro guarantee you contact our support and we will do whatever we can to make it right

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And and I have I have always been of kind of the mind that you know

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Well, what does it matter if these pants are not the current style like have they fallen off me yet?

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Well, then I will continue to wear them

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Is it fair to call fast fashion to growing so where people are treating clothing as

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Being effectively disposable after a couple of wears use it used to be like a couple stores in the mall that weren't necessarily that popular and now it's like

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Massive online sites where it seems like genuinely a lot of people do their show which has led to a positive feedback loop where

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Sellers are noticing that there is absolutely No benefit to their customer to building something that lasts so they make cheaper and cheaper stuff

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it's only gonna last a few wears and so on and so on and so forth until we've spiraled into this this

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Mindset both on the consumer and on the manufacturer side that all this stuff is basically disposable and is good for you know

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Part of one season before it should just be thrown away and there's ideas for how you can solve that

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Terrible idea. I do think

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I do think there are things that are gonna get cleaved from this that were not under that

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de minimis If it had like a really strong

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warranty long duration strong warranty um, I don't know how you didn't force that because

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It comes down to the willingness of that company to to honor it

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It's because Canada is kind of more like that There's gonna be folks from Australia for instance where they have strong consumer protection laws

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And they literally like actually have somebody that they can contact that actually has you know fangs

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That can go after these companies and be like hey you I'm actually need to refund them or whatever else so here that

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Functionally doesn't really exist practically civil court it as far as my understanding. Yeah, you could you could maybe try to go to small claims

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court you could Basically you're gonna end up spending more

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Yeah, maybe not in money But certainly in your time to try to get anyone to honor a warranty that they just basically don't feel like

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Honoring so that's the perspective that I'm coming at it with and with that in mind

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I think companies that have absolutely no intention of in many cases even existing a

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Year from now or two years from now or five years from now. They'll be like. Oh, yeah, this

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M.2 adapter for a full-size M.2 in the first gen ROG Ally has a one billion years warranty

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so Anyway, there's a lot of babies in the bathwater and

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Microsoft has raised the price of consoles games and

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accessories Worldwide the two terabyte series X costs more than a ps5 pro for now

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So let's have a look here the Xbox series s5 12 has gone from two ninety nine to three seventy nine

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$730 it's interesting to me though that if you keep looking some things didn't change and it's pretty much controllers

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I mean some of the controllers did change to the elites. Oh, yeah. No, you're right. Most of them. Yes

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The elite controller series to full went up the core did not I'm not sure what the difference between those is so

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What I will say is because we've had to go through like because we're not just reading about this in the news

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is that The way that things are going to change is not necessarily going to be intuitive to the average consumer

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Because this is a this is a multi variable function here

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So for instance one of the things that happened when we when we split

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Oh, so this is this is one of the big things on our side this week is

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And if you are anywhere else in the world you go to the global site

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So I'm going to open up both of these because we are an excellent

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Seriously, right-click to I want to open in a new tab. Okay, I

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Okay, well hold on I'm gonna figure this out global

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Okay, hold on forget no It's at the bottom. I know how to navigate this site there

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Okay, so I'm on the global site and then I'm also on the US site perfect. Okay, cool

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What was I going to say right right so so some stuff is not going to be particularly

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Intuitive, let's take t-shirts for instance. I don't know I

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Don't know if you know this Luke But t-shirts many apparel items actually have significant tariffs coming into Canada. I didn't know that did you know that no

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There's there's other things like housewares for instance

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Jackass furniture store of some sort

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That was saying that we were we were when we were making those CPU pillows

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Remember those alpaca wool CPU pillows. They complained that we were that we were dumping

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effectively we were we were like bringing in these pillows and selling them below cost in order to harm like throw pillow

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Retailers or something and and and basically they they accused us of like circumventing some kind of import restriction or something like that

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And we're like bro This is not furniture, but but furniture is another one that actually has

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Has has some tariffs that that impact overseas furniture coming into Canada. So what happened with t-shirts?

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So if you look at if you look at the two sites here on the global site our mystery t-shirts are

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2499 Canadian and on the US site

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Where's our t-shirts? I think they are. Yeah, I believe they're $30. So I'll tell you this much on the whoops on the Canadian site

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These shirts are making Significantly less margin and the only reason that they're priced this way

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Which is fairly aligned with what they were priced before so 20 US dollars

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The only reason that they're priced this way is because we're trying to go a little bit Costco hot dog on them

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Where we're trying to make that the t-shirt like a reasonably priced item on the store our cost is now higher on t-shirts because

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Hold on and this is about to get crazy The way that it worked before was when we paid duties on the import of t-shirts into Canada before

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Because so many of them were going to be sold into a region that was duty exempt and didn't have any tariffs

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We effectively were subsidizing our Canadian customers

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Yeah with The fact that we weren't going to pay duties on most of it

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So we were just absorbing those duties to our Canadian customers saying the line subsidizing our Canadian customers is going to

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Make well, I'm about to get into how we're going to subsidize people in other regions as well

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All right, don't worry. We're going to get there All right, so we were we were subsidizing the price of t-shirts for our Canadian customers keeping them artificially low

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Because the overall amount of duties that we were paying was actually very low on the total shipment that came in because so meant much

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Of it was being sold to other regions now. Here's a here's another funny one

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some people have noticed that the shipping prices on the global store have been are a little higher and

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the reason for that is because once again

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America was actually subsidizing our shipping rates to the rest of the world

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So they were paying maybe an extra, you know 50 cents and their order volume was so much greater that we could have our shipping rate to you know

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Eastern Canada be about three dollars cheaper and there's going to be people out there that like don't believe me that are like

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Linus shipping is like $30 on a $30 mouth pad. I was like, yeah, yeah, because it is

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Because that's like like go ahead. Go ahead key it into a thing

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We don't operate at the kind of volume where we get like way better rates

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We can't we can't like walk in with our giant dong

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You know sticking down the one of the legs of our pants. It's just

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Down to the knee. Okay sticking out there sit down across the table from FedEx

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Men spread and go do you have any idea who I am?

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But even like no Also like keep it in your pants, brother. Like they don't care. We are nobody you gotta answer with I can't we are nothing to them

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Um So now shorts too short now, let's talk about now. Let's talk about what's going on on the US side

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Our shirts went up from 20 to 30 u.s. Dollars. So you know why that happened?

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Tarifico Tariffs because we decided to lose money on shirts

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We are literally losing our shirts on

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Printed t-shirts Which what few we have in stock on the US site right now

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So you're going beyond Costco hot dog because now not only are we not able to claw back?

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the duties that we used to pay on Those Canadian shirts that we then like sold into the US and we're like hmm

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Actually, these weren't imported into Canada. These were imported into the US

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But the duty is the tariffs that are now due on those shirts make the cost of them

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That high Which is going to be which is which is pretty wild

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So we are actually subsidizing

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Any American who wants to buy a shirt now like keeping them at $30 is

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Effectively taking money that we are making in other regions and trying to keep the shirts

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somewhat accessible I think this place like directly into the pro-tariff

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like Playbook though

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Yeah, I mean maybe because the the claim was that they were subsidizing everyone else and now

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We are using everyone else to subsidize them, which is exactly what they wanted. I don't know how long we can

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I don't know how long we can do that though. Yeah, I don't know how long we can do that

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So as you can see we already have less selection on the US store

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Like this is this is not sustainable Our hope is that this is a this is a temporary way. We believe that honestly even

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I don't know if people are gonna like hearing this, but it really sucks having two stores

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And if all of this goes away it is possible that we could go back to one store

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I don't know that we necessarily would again. I think that it's rough having two stores internally

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Internally the conversation is that you know, we want to we want to do a better job of

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Well, okay, I Will add cuz you might have this context, but they don't so I'm gonna add this as well

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There is a way to do better localization within one store

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So we can have the better localization that people gained from this but have it on one store

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but we can't do that right now because of

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The weirded stuff that's happening. So if some of the weird stuff that's happening goes away

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We could go down to one website, but more localized which would be better for everyone

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Yeah, I just I don't know if it's gonna be possible to have the same the same pricing just like

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You know Wouldn't yeah, you can you can set different pricing for different regions and all this kind of stuff got it

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There's there's other reasons why the store has to be split in half. It's not that interesting. So I'm not gonna bother go over it

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But yeah, my order history stuck on the US store. There are casualties with this change

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This is one of the reasons why it would be nice to use localization options on one store. Yeah, but we just can't

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For for a variety of other reasons of stuff that's going on. So it is what it is some stuff

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There's nothing we can do the precision screwdriver is way more expensive now

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It's $70 for the bundle of the how much was it?

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So the reason and it comes down to it comes down to categories basically, right?

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So on t-shirts, right? I already explained we're going slim on both sides

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Right and we're trying to we're trying to keep it somewhat accessible so that people can like order a shirt

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But on something like the screwdriver It just are the precision screwdriver specifically

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They it just it is what it is we to maintain the MSRP that we had before

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we'd be selling it at a loss instead of out of profit and

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That's that's not an area where we want to Costco hot dog it like I've always been like that about t-shirts

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So I think some people are getting a little bit up in arms about you know

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Oh subsidize this sell it a loss that t-shirts have always been something that we've gone kind of slim on and I think that's probably

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Why you guys are seeing an outsized?

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Impact here because we didn't have any room to play with

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Like we can't if we were if we were if we were selling into the US

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At our old price, which was 1999 for printed t-shirts shirts that are manufactured overseas

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But printed here in Canada

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We would be losing Yeah, anywhere from like nine to twelve dollars a shirt or something like that USD which is like obviously stupid

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Yeah, and then if we hadn't made any adjustments on the Canadian ones

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If we'd gone straight if we are sorry, we didn't make any adjustments on the global site

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We went to 2499 and that is extremely slim like extremely extremely slim because there's

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Functionally very little clawback now because anything that is brought into that inventory pool is destined for

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A predominantly Canadian and to a lesser extent global audience

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Basically the point of going through this was just to kind of talk to you guys about how depending on the category like like apparel

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Was impacted in a way that was multifaceted

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Multivariable and any assumptions that you know that companies were making in the past about

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How the goods are going to flow how the money flows back the other way and what taxes duties and tariffs

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are due have Functionally been thrown out the window over the last few months and it's possible that I got a couple details

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You know a little off on percentages of markup or margins or whatever else realistically

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We have a wonderful team that works through this stuff for us

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And you know, it's my job is basically to get a high-level executive summary and go

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You know, no, I want to go more aggressive there or no

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I really don't think we can absorb that here and kind of you know, provide my guidance for you know

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What my tolerance for losses?

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You know like if I if if they come to me thing to have guidance on well

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Yeah, cuz if they cuz I can tell you right now prices were gonna be higher across both stores before I went through the spreadsheet

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I basically went through and I was like no no no no no no no no no no no no lower it

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And margins are gonna be pretty slim on both sides. So almost across the board

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It's like we've been keeping the key the team strong. We haven't been doing layoffs throughout this

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We're not planning on it. Yeah, we're doing good. So that effectively just means he gets less money. Well, yeah, everybody else here is fine

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Yeah, so he's just electing to have less money. Well, yeah

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Just to frame it because I don't think people got that. I don't know. I thought that was pretty clear

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I don't know. I'm just making sure well anyway

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I'm not trying to over glaze them anyway, you know what I what I tried to do when I went through and

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basically ripped up the proposal that they worked on really hard was

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With a couple of exceptions I think there's a couple of items on the global store that went up like a dollar or two

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Just because they were gonna end up at like a weirdo price point that didn't make any sense

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With just a couple of exceptions the pricing on the global store should be pretty much what it was before or a little bit less and

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Then on the US side, I Tried to keep things as close as I could

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But understood that you know in cases like the retro monitor pet cave it just

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Couldn't possibly make any sense To sell it at the old price and and be losing like very very substantial amounts of money

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Here's a game or question every day. I don't know if you want to talk about or not. How are sales on the

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US store now, it's it's been 24 hours ish 26

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It's really hard to say for a couple of reasons one of them is that as far as I can tell the report is still combined

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Oh I'm unsure

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Wait, really? I don't know. Is it not? I don't think it would is this just one of the stores because nobody told me that

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Which what where are you looking at the report? Uh, I don't know admin dot Shopify.com think that's

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One of them. Yeah, this says all channels, right? So is this just what are the difference? I don't know online store

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I mean, it's there a separate Shopify dashboard. Is that why I think sales are terrible? I could be wrong

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I don't actually know but I would think so Yeah, no, I know about the one for like are you saying they're separate they should be separate it would make sense to me that

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They would be separate. Oh for crying out loud. Well, okay, I'll give you two answers. If you didn't know that

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I'm assuming it's pretty okay. No. No, it's not. Oh, but

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And even if even if global sales are like about what they typically are sales are terrible

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Over the last couple of days, but but but but but we did just come out of a huge

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I'm not freaking out about that because it's pretty normal to have like a

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Hangover. Yeah, as as we'd kind of call it when you have like a big sale event and for the last

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Over two weeks, I think we've been running the shipstorm sale event

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And we did like I got a I got to thank you guys for your incredible support over the last little while because

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We we beat our entire q2 projection

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In the first three weeks of april Yeah, yeah, yeah

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In terms of revenues it was it was less profitable because we were eating the shipping on orders over 150 dollars

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Um, but still like we are we are positioned

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To give ourselves time to kind of breathe

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Get these two stores launched Reassess and then take any any action that we that we see fit to to make sure that the business

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Stays healthy and that we're and that we're doing everything we can to take care of our customers both, you know south of the border and

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Throughout the rest of the world because at the end of the day, right? Like the trade war or no trade war like I am not personally at war with LTT Store customers

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Right Quite the opposite. Yeah, like not not even a little bit and I don't think an LTT Store customer is like

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At war with me. So I think I'm sure there's at least one. I mean

406
00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:50,580
You're being so unhelpful

407
00:40:51,940 --> 00:40:53,940
Just like with the cheese thing

408
00:40:58,260 --> 00:41:03,060
I mean it's for the content So basically, you know, I'd like to think that on both sides

409
00:41:03,140 --> 00:41:09,460
We're gonna in good faith try to you know weather this and I'm already I'm already seeing some cracks forming

410
00:41:09,860 --> 00:41:14,500
In the u.s. Administrations, you know hard line stamps on tariffs. Um, we're already seeing

411
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:20,900
China potentially rumored to maybe be thinking about possibly coming to the table and and figuring this out. So

412
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:26,900
I'm just all I can really do like let's face it. Canada is not a global superpower

413
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:32,100
Right. So all I can really do is kind of sit on the sidelines like I do

414
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:37,620
And kind of hope that the big kids are going to figure it out and that mom and dad are going to stop fighting

415
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:44,660
So that ultimately people can get better prices on their fine quality merchandise from lttstore.com and xboxes

416
00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:49,140
Yeah, and also disposable crap from sheen and temu

417
00:41:49,860 --> 00:41:55,940
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's kind of a that's kind of a bigger conversation though, right is like how would you

418
00:41:57,060 --> 00:42:04,420
How would you deal with that? What would be what would be your solution, right? Because it's easy to say like, yeah, this is a terrible implementation

419
00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:09,300
Blah blah blah etc etc, right? But like how how how would you try to change?

420
00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:12,980
A consumption culture that has

421
00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:19,860
Has leaned so heavily into disposability of functionally everything

422
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:30,100
Like dude, what what are you going to buy in a dollar store anymore if there's you know, 150 tariffs on you know, literally everything that's in there

423
00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:34,100
Like are are you going to go are you going to uh

424
00:42:35,220 --> 00:42:41,300
Destin Destin from smarter every day He made uh, he made a barbecue scraper that's made in america

425
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:47,220
Just as an experiment to see how bloody difficult it is to to make a barbecue scraper

426
00:42:47,540 --> 00:42:50,980
That is that is made in america to make anything in america

427
00:42:51,460 --> 00:42:55,860
Uh, i'm just gonna i'm just gonna bring it up because I I forget exactly here. It is the smarter scrubber. Here it is

428
00:42:56,500 --> 00:43:01,940
um And what he discovered was that it is flip and difficult. Yeah, here you go for years

429
00:43:02,020 --> 00:43:08,340
I've wanted to make a product a high quality product in america to prove it can be done and compete with overseas

430
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:13,860
manufacturing and I would say it's pretty clear that he is competing with overseas

431
00:43:13,860 --> 00:43:22,660
Manufacturing in terms of the design and quality What he is not competing with is the price when you have to talk about your barbecue scraper for this long

432
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:24,980
Before you scroll down and find a price

433
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:30,820
I guarantee you that it is not going to be a super attractive price

434
00:43:33,300 --> 00:43:39,300
And this is I mean this is the same challenge that we ran into to a degree with the screwdriver screwdriver is a much more complex product

435
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:46,900
But is priced ten dollars more And that that's what happens when you do your molding in canada when you shoot your plastics in canada

436
00:43:46,900 --> 00:43:50,900
You do final assembly and packaging here in canada. It's amazing

437
00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:54,260
How fast those things add up and there is good news

438
00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:59,380
Um for anyone who is you know worried that the pricing of the LTT screwdriver is going to go up in the states

439
00:43:59,380 --> 00:44:05,780
It's not um, I believe we are Either very close to or we have finished getting it certified made in canada

440
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:11,540
Which we had a pretty good idea that we could do before just never bothered to go through the work because it didn't matter

441
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:17,380
Yeah, like we knew we knew how much of the transformative value-added work that we were doing here in canada

442
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:23,780
Um, but it like it didn't matter from uh from a cost perspective for our customers. So we weren't going to burn cycles on that

443
00:44:27,220 --> 00:44:29,860
But uh, but anyway back to back to the smarter scrubber

444
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:34,660
Would you buy a barbecue scrubber for 60 us dollars?

445
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:39,540
Knowing that it could very well last a lifetime and that you'd never have to buy another one

446
00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:46,660
But knowing that you'd be spending 60 dollars for a barbecue scrubber How much is an alternative barbecue scrubber as a person who does not own a barbecue?

447
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:51,620
Okay. Well, I don't know. I am a fellow Monitored owner

448
00:44:52,100 --> 00:44:56,260
What is god? I hate this website I

449
00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:04,900
Trash I love these like absolutely could be solved by an AI. Oh my god, but we're farming you for training

450
00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:10,100
Uh Little widget things. Is it that one? Yeah, it's this one

451
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:19,380
Okay Is this like a cup? Is this a bowl of noodles? Like what am I even doing? It's so good. Oh my god. Stop train our AI for access to this website

452
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:24,980
Please. Yeah, I know right Hey barbecue scrub daddy barbecue brush somebody said

453
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:30,500
One-piece portable multifunction outdoor barbecue. I wouldn't buy I'm assuming it has lead or something from there

454
00:45:30,580 --> 00:45:34,020
Well, I can hold on a second. I could literally buy 30 of these though

455
00:45:34,420 --> 00:45:37,460
I could buy an actual platoon of

456
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:44,100
One-piece portable multifunction outdoor barbecue cleaning tool for the price of one smarter scrubber

457
00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:49,140
And i'm not saying that you should I'm just saying that you could

458
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:53,460
Yeah Yeah

459
00:45:53,460 --> 00:45:57,140
And and look I don't actually need your answer because it doesn't really matter

460
00:45:57,140 --> 00:46:04,180
It's not really the point the point is that in general it's a lot consumers have answered that yeah over the last 30 years

461
00:46:04,260 --> 00:46:12,340
And you'll have you'll have the loud people Um, and I tend to like those loud people and prefer to think the way that they do but that'll be like oh, I'd rather

462
00:46:13,620 --> 00:46:18,820
Buy less things but by quality things that I will be able to keep for a long period of time or whatever

463
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:22,340
um But most people don't do that

464
00:46:22,740 --> 00:46:29,140
Cody n7 do you have a source for this? I said there was a store owner who kept getting told that people will spend more for made in america products

465
00:46:29,140 --> 00:46:35,140
So he went through the process of finding us suppliers then listed both on the website made in america and made in china with a 10

466
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:38,980
Percent price delta and almost nobody spent the extra money to buy the us one

467
00:46:39,620 --> 00:46:44,500
Uh, do you do you have a source for that? um

468
00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:49,460
I made it up. Yeah, probably Free freelancer

469
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:55,220
Athena did a made in us side by side search afina showerhead tariff

470
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:58,900
You know what? I'm gonna get you guys. I'm gonna get you guys to look that up

471
00:46:59,380 --> 00:47:04,580
um Okay, would you pay 30 times the price for your barbecue scrubber knowing it's safer?

472
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:08,420
Uh, if I thought the other one had lead in it. Yeah, no, no

473
00:47:08,420 --> 00:47:13,060
I'm like the the little bristles can come out and they can like get in the meat and they can actually be dangerous if ingested

474
00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:17,300
I am personally kind of of the mind that you have to be like kind of not very careful

475
00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:25,540
to not like notice that but But I mean, hey, I thought that you could melt like regular cheddar cheese from, you know, cosco on a burger

476
00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:33,060
Some things are really hard. Can't that's impossible. Some things are incredibly difficult and uh, I think you need to understand that

477
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:37,780
Okay, that's fair. That's fair Just because you have your

478
00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:42,660
$700 barbecue scrubber and have never experienced a bristle in your life

479
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:48,340
Doesn't mean that there aren't others out there on the grind set dealing with these problems every day

480
00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:54,340
Almost die in our kody and seven says my memory was incorrect. It's almost double the price for made in america

481
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:58,500
So, yeah, I could that makes more sense. It was the afina showerhead. Okay

482
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:04,020
So that's apparently the one that uh, that koti was referring to and I found the source

483
00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:10,660
So we ran an ab test, wow, that's actually that's actually really interesting

484
00:48:11,620 --> 00:48:14,580
Uh add to carts asia add to carts usa

485
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:17,700
Whoa

486
00:48:18,900 --> 00:48:22,420
We tested everything zero purchases color copy layout

487
00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:28,580
We ran it over multiple days in traffic sources same outcome every time for a moment. We thought we'd made a technical error

488
00:48:28,820 --> 00:48:35,940
We hadn't Man this is uh zero purchases usa is

489
00:48:37,700 --> 00:48:42,100
Wild That's surprising to me actually I I genuinely

490
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:50,500
Would have expected You know what? I bet it is I bet it's the product category because if it was like a gun or something

491
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:55,860
Right like if it was something that because it's like a water purifier so they don't

492
00:48:56,340 --> 00:49:00,580
Or isn't a shower head or something. I think it's a shower head water purifier, isn't it afina. What do they make?

493
00:49:01,380 --> 00:49:06,100
Filtered shower head. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So it's some it's some filtered shower head

494
00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:12,260
That makes my hair nicer that realistically people. I don't have a hair. Well. No, I don't I don't my god

495
00:49:12,420 --> 00:49:16,660
Don't can you not generalize you can they call it a bald eagle for a reason like us?

496
00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:19,700
We don't actually want to be assimilated

497
00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:25,780
Annexed whatever. No, I Realistically, I'm saying that they're buying

498
00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:31,540
Like you know products they think are gonna last and standing behind things that are made

499
00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:36,660
I'm not against that purchasing style to be completely. No, I'm just saying I'm just saying that I don't like it if anything

500
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:42,500
I don't think there's anything particularly that speaks to the to the american identity about a shower head

501
00:49:43,620 --> 00:49:48,500
Whereas I think if you were gonna make it a barbecue scrubber, I think you'd probably get more than zero sales

502
00:49:49,060 --> 00:49:52,260
Yes, I do agree like you you take a you know, it's fourth of july

503
00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:57,140
You do a $10 discount on your $60 barbecue scrubber. You have a compelling sales pitch behind it

504
00:49:57,140 --> 00:50:00,340
It's safer. It doesn't have these bristles. You put an american flag on the back of it

505
00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:09,700
I think you can actually sell a few of those But I think the difference is that this is clearly a commodity item in the eyes of the people who were shopping for it

506
00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:14,100
And when it comes to a commodity item, I could certainly see people having less brand loyalty

507
00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:18,020
I mean, I certainly have less brand loyalty for things. I perceive to be a commodity

508
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:22,260
Like I I I I have been I've spent my entire life

509
00:50:22,820 --> 00:50:26,260
Completely bewildered by people who have a preference for gas station

510
00:50:27,140 --> 00:50:32,820
Like I have a preference for gas station. You have a points program. Nope costco. Nope

511
00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:42,420
Why It's it's just I I think they're they're cool. It's a clover hill. It's where we sold those berries that one time

512
00:50:42,500 --> 00:50:50,500
Oh my god Okay, that's different. I'm talking about like multinational literally one chain gas stations

513
00:50:50,820 --> 00:50:54,020
You can't even pay at the pump. There's a little sign that apologizes for it

514
00:50:54,020 --> 00:50:58,500
They're like the the pump upgrade is really expensive. So if you could just come pay inside, they'll be great

515
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:04,820
So so I go pay inside for my gas and they have little like homemade muffins that you can buy and stuff

516
00:51:05,860 --> 00:51:10,580
They still sell DVDs I

517
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:16,660
And I don't exclusively go there, but I like I like it's it's like uh willow video

518
00:51:17,940 --> 00:51:24,260
I like bringing my business. No, that's totally fine, but it's also not what I'm talking about at all and you know it

519
00:51:26,420 --> 00:51:30,260
Um So any who?

520
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:35,860
Like I I I can definitely I relate to people not really having a preference when it comes to

521
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:40,580
Commodity. Okay. So how do you how do you what how do you because this is an over a hundred dollar item?

522
00:51:41,860 --> 00:51:47,380
No, no, this is a very cheap item. Are we talking about barbecue scrubbers or what? Oh the filters. Hmm

523
00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:53,380
Well, how much is it the the cheap one the manufactured in asa asia one is a hundred and twenty nine dollars

524
00:51:53,780 --> 00:51:57,300
And the other one's like 250. Uh, let me see if I can find it

525
00:51:58,180 --> 00:52:05,060
To so a hundred twenty nine dollars remain a made in asia and a hundred two hundred and forty dollars are made in usa

526
00:52:05,140 --> 00:52:07,860
Okay, it's about about double the price. Yeah, um

527
00:52:09,700 --> 00:52:16,100
Oh man, yeah, I guess that's another factor too is it's not just the it's not just the percentage difference in price

528
00:52:16,580 --> 00:52:19,940
It's the actual Like raw dollars

529
00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:23,940
Like I am paying right now out of my pocket

530
00:52:23,940 --> 00:52:26,980
for American labor

531
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:29,540
But realistically they're people I've never met

532
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:34,980
To have the same shower head. Do you think the way that they ran it?

533
00:52:35,620 --> 00:52:39,060
Twisted it at all because I'm looking at this and I see I see this one

534
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:45,780
Same design two options you choose made in usa or asia and they have a little flag for made in usa and stuff this this may okay

535
00:52:45,860 --> 00:52:51,860
cool, but then you see the actual cart page And made in the usa is the default selection for one

536
00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:56,020
Uh for two it shows three hundred dollars slashed out to one twenty nine

537
00:52:56,580 --> 00:53:02,500
Um, and then there's like Important note the quality is identical regardless. This might even be true

538
00:53:02,500 --> 00:53:07,540
But I'm just wondering if it if it twists things the quality is identical regardless of where the shower head is manufactured

539
00:53:07,620 --> 00:53:10,420
While our usa made shower head is indeed made in the united states

540
00:53:10,660 --> 00:53:16,180
Some of the materials used are still sourced from other countries as they are not available in the usa and that

541
00:53:16,660 --> 00:53:21,060
Almost like has to be true when it comes to certain like minerals or whatever else. Yeah, that is what it is

542
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:24,260
But I could I could see that impacting I could yeah, I could see that impacting

543
00:53:25,060 --> 00:53:28,980
I think that I think that if they were slightly less

544
00:53:29,620 --> 00:53:33,460
Transparent in the running of their exercise. They might have gotten more it might have been a less

545
00:53:34,420 --> 00:53:39,700
Honest presentation, but it might have been a better experiment if that makes sense

546
00:53:39,700 --> 00:53:47,140
Maybe yeah, because I most people that I know of that are buying nationally are buying nationally because of quality

547
00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:54,980
More than anything. Mm-hmm But then do you really have doubts about the raw quality of like, uh, you know a copper tube

548
00:53:55,460 --> 00:53:59,620
Before it was, you know bent into a faucet or whatever it is some people do some people do I

549
00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:03,460
I guarantee you some people do yeah, but then I mean like the whole like

550
00:54:04,100 --> 00:54:08,420
Like chinese steel versus whatever other steel argument. I have no idea if that's real or not

551
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:17,220
I know nothing about it, but I've heard those phrases But wouldn't you rather somebody tell you like hey if anyone else says that they're using american this they're they're not it like

552
00:54:17,220 --> 00:54:25,140
isn't the thing Like it does seem like the more honest way to present it. No, I I prefer it being presented this way to be clear

553
00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:27,140
I'm just saying I I wonder if that

554
00:54:28,260 --> 00:54:33,380
Change anything I also think it's interesting that made in asia is selected by default

555
00:54:34,820 --> 00:54:40,740
Um, well, didn't they say they tried they tried different different forms. They don't show it. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair

556
00:54:41,380 --> 00:54:45,220
Um, either either way this graph is crazy. Sorry one last one

557
00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:47,780
You can't even like see it

558
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:55,380
It looks like the whole graph is just on the left, but no there's there's two more columns here two separate additional columns right here

559
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:59,860
Yeah, one of them is just not actually existent because it's at 0.00

560
00:55:00,260 --> 00:55:02,260
But it's there's the section is there

561
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:08,740
That's wild. Did you see um, do you see sony just like increased prices everywhere to uh

562
00:55:10,260 --> 00:55:15,860
To subsidize the u.s. Yeah, and to pay for the tariffs that way this is this is I my problem with that

563
00:55:16,260 --> 00:55:19,940
Is if you're trying to go against it in Mexico is going to pay for it. Yeah

564
00:55:21,060 --> 00:55:26,020
If you're trying to go against the whole idea

565
00:55:26,980 --> 00:55:31,700
You're you're playing into exactly what the one of the taglines was at one point in time

566
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:34,180
Which is that America was subsidizing everywhere else

567
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:39,220
um, and now A lot of companies are flipping that

568
00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:47,060
Which is theoretically what they wanted, right? So if you're trying to go against it, you're you're playing into what they wanted just to make this completely clear

569
00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:49,220
We have not increased prices

570
00:55:50,420 --> 00:55:54,820
On our global store to account for tariffs. We have increased prices on our u.s. Store

571
00:55:55,300 --> 00:56:01,380
There is one key difference and that's uh, that's something that I talked about on the shipping side where because we were

572
00:56:01,620 --> 00:56:04,820
Consolidating all of our shipments and routing them through the u.s

573
00:56:05,380 --> 00:56:12,820
Our u.s. Costs were quite a lot lower But our international costs were a lot higher to the point where we would basically sell nothing

574
00:56:13,780 --> 00:56:20,900
internationally before and so Yeah, we did play we did play some games with the with the shipping costs a little bit to help kind of

575
00:56:21,380 --> 00:56:24,420
Balance the playing field a little bit and I think maybe that's something that

576
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:30,900
Is going to be upsetting to some people and I again back to what I was saying earlier about everyone having their different perspectives

577
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:35,220
That's something I'm really used to And so maybe that's something that I kind of dropped casually

578
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:38,420
And for other people it was like a complete bomb because

579
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:43,860
Like for instance, uh, my my first exposure to this concept was when I started working at ncix

580
00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:47,700
And I learned that any postal code with a zero in it

581
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:51,460
Is a super expensive postal code. Did you know that? No

582
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:59,220
They're rural And so at ncix the way that our the way that our pricing algorithm worked for shipping

583
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:03,380
was that we would subsidize zeros

584
00:57:03,460 --> 00:57:07,620
with urban postal codes Because otherwise

585
00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:12,580
Literally if someone ordered a computer case for a hundred dollars, they could pay

586
00:57:13,460 --> 00:57:18,580
$350 in shipping because that's just what it's driving a huge box out to the countryside

587
00:57:18,740 --> 00:57:26,580
And in the interest of you know equity and making sure that you know other people in the country have access to computer parts

588
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:35,060
at all Scrappy DP 601 378 rural that also isn't a postal code for crying out loud. That is a zip code

589
00:57:38,020 --> 00:57:41,860
Okay Wow

590
00:57:42,420 --> 00:57:46,500
I love Our american friends

591
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:52,740
I really do But you are not the only country in the world

592
00:57:55,860 --> 00:58:00,740
What it really It really does

593
00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:03,300
Like wow seemed to be a uniquely

594
00:58:04,340 --> 00:58:08,340
American thing to just get very confused sometimes

595
00:58:09,060 --> 00:58:16,900
By things that are not america Like when we're traveling overseas like at computex or whatever and we upload videos at different times of the day

596
00:58:17,940 --> 00:58:23,220
It I don't it's a funny thing because it is almost exclusively people in the eastern time zone

597
00:58:23,780 --> 00:58:31,220
That are like what are they doing posting a video? It is this time and you I you ID yourself by telling me what time it is where you are

598
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:38,180
And it's never the it's never west coast. It's never central time. It's always east coast

599
00:58:38,980 --> 00:58:41,380
predominantly usa that just have

600
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:47,220
absolutely Like no concept or other time zones and it's funny because I get it

601
00:58:47,540 --> 00:58:52,820
You're not used to it Like do you remember when a hotly anticipated television program?

602
00:58:52,980 --> 00:58:57,540
To be to be lifted up second character being a zero indicates a rural region. Yeah

603
00:58:58,340 --> 00:59:03,860
Yeah, I know. Okay. Anyway, um, I was telling them. Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right

604
00:59:04,420 --> 00:59:08,420
Okay, so do you remember when you were a kid and some hotly anticipated?

605
00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:11,540
Yeah, you just did the america thing

606
00:59:15,140 --> 00:59:18,900
I did Yeah, I was talking to them and you were like, I know

607
00:59:20,100 --> 00:59:23,540
Oh, okay Sorry, I thought you were telling me

608
00:59:23,540 --> 00:59:33,140
No, you're good. I don't care. I just think it's funny So do you remember when you were a kid and there'd be an a hotly anticipated television event? Sure. Yeah, okay, and they'd be like

609
00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:36,980
at You know

610
00:59:36,980 --> 00:59:40,900
6 p.m um 4 p.m. Central

611
00:59:40,900 --> 00:59:45,780
And they wouldn't even bother with the pacific time zone. Literally. We've spent our whole lives

612
00:59:46,340 --> 00:59:51,220
We're just used to minus three having to having to do minus three hours on everything

613
00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:57,300
And so I understand how people who live in that particular time zone whether they're american or canadian

614
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:09,060
But they're not So postal codes are not zip codes and do not work the same way. I do not

615
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:15,540
I do not purport to know anything about how zip codes work because I'm not american and I don't care

616
01:00:15,780 --> 01:00:20,500
It doesn't really matter But I learned many years ago that in canada

617
01:00:20,980 --> 01:00:27,700
That zero indicates a rural postcode to be clear when working for a canadian retailer shipping to canadians

618
01:00:28,340 --> 01:00:36,900
yes And so so that was my that was my first sort of that was my first introduction to the concept of

619
01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:42,340
Oh my god, if we don't do anything to try to level the playing field out a little bit here

620
01:00:42,580 --> 01:00:49,220
We are basically just cutting off a very very significant portion of the country from being able to order from us

621
01:00:49,860 --> 01:00:59,540
at all And so yeah Like and it was a small amount like literally on the order of pennies because most people do live in those urban centers

622
01:00:59,540 --> 01:01:06,660
So almost no impact to most people but a significant positive impact to the people for the handful of people that are

623
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:15,300
That are on on the outside You know, you know realistically, you know, like farming the food that we all need to eat in these urban centers, right?

624
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:18,500
Like it's this is this is about this is not about, you know

625
01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:27,220
Taking advantage of someone this is about making sure that we are doing enough for people who are not in a not in a fair situation

626
01:01:27,620 --> 01:01:30,500
Right because that's just the reality of it. That's what fuel costs

627
01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:34,660
Right, they weren't going that way anyway So

628
01:01:34,660 --> 01:01:39,620
So that's how much it costs, right? Um

629
01:01:41,220 --> 01:01:43,220
What are we talking about

630
01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:49,060
What do you want, uh No, I

631
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:54,260
The problem is this is a good question because I have no idea. I think xbox stuff. Yeah tariffs xbox stuff

632
01:01:54,580 --> 01:01:58,420
What about it? I think that's what we're talking about. Oh, yeah, sure. I think that's our topic still

633
01:01:58,500 --> 01:02:02,340
Oh, yeah, Dan. Should we do another topic? What are we supposed to be doing? What even is this show? I don't know

634
01:02:02,740 --> 01:02:07,460
I mean, yeah, you were talking about how xboxes are more expensive because there's tariffs and then now we're talking about

635
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:11,620
Well, I think the real question is who's buying xboxes and therefore who cares

636
01:02:12,900 --> 01:02:16,420
See, that's a pretty good point. They're putting their games up too. That's a pretty good point

637
01:02:17,300 --> 01:02:22,500
And actually, oh man owns them. So thanks nintendo dude. I dude. I forgot

638
01:02:22,900 --> 01:02:28,340
I actually forgot that I had wanted to um shift to that as an angle for this conversation

639
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:33,060
How long do you think microsoft's been waiting for an excuse to increase pricing?

640
01:02:34,580 --> 01:02:38,260
How long do you think sony's been waiting for an excuse to increase pricing if

641
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:44,500
If the u.s. And china and everyone else just kind of kumbaya's and is all like everything's good forget it

642
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:47,620
What are the odds those prices drop?

643
01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:55,940
If at all it will give me my odds give me my odd ceremonious I think they might drop but they'll drop by a very small amount

644
01:02:56,660 --> 01:03:02,020
I don't think they will return chat says zero percent. I think it's got to be close to zero percent that they would return

645
01:03:02,740 --> 01:03:05,140
Never happens. It's just this is the problem with

646
01:03:05,780 --> 01:03:11,140
trade pours Because then it just becomes all profit. I mean, this is what we went through. We're never it's never going to be the same

647
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:16,340
This is what we went through with the great GPU shortage Yeah, they literally just

648
01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:21,060
Never came back down a top of the line GPU is still

649
01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:24,420
$2,000 msrp and realistically goes for

650
01:03:25,060 --> 01:03:31,540
Considerably more than that. Yeah Yeah, it just never went back down as soon as customers

651
01:03:32,260 --> 01:03:39,940
Will show that they're willing to pay, you know $25 instead of $10 for those sheen pants. They're gonna be like, oh

652
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:47,540
Neat Until somebody else potentially lowers it in the GPU market there

653
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:52,740
Was and is no actual competition there. So they can just keep it up forever

654
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:58,100
But I mean, I almost feel like this should be like a weekly segment, but uh this week on

655
01:03:58,900 --> 01:04:08,340
Intel watch. Oh, yeah Yeah, man. Here's a b580 onyx odyssey. I don't I don't know who the heck onyx is and that that video the dear

656
01:04:08,740 --> 01:04:12,980
Intel ceo guy is really good more people should watch it, but it's very good

657
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:15,300
Yeah, views on the channel

658
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:19,780
Extremely based. Yeah based conclusion. I I

659
01:04:20,420 --> 01:04:27,060
Was really happy with how that ended to be completely honest. It was an extremely satisfying way to end that

660
01:04:27,940 --> 01:04:32,900
Um Ploos was sick Absolutely sick. I gotta say

661
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:35,940
I don't want to spoil it, but davids was

662
01:04:38,020 --> 01:04:47,460
Yeah Art It was art. So I want to cinema. That's what people say. It was cinema. I I love kino. What kino kino

663
01:04:48,420 --> 01:04:52,180
Good job. Is that what people say? That's above cinema

664
01:04:53,140 --> 01:04:56,660
Do people say that? Kino a lottery

665
01:04:56,660 --> 01:05:01,540
No idea Okay, did you make this up or is this a thing? No, this is a thing. This is a thing

666
01:05:03,140 --> 01:05:08,980
Um Absolute cinema absolute kino though, but people say kino kino

667
01:05:09,700 --> 01:05:15,700
I can't tell if he's being real or not kino is cinema in german apparently. Yeah, it's better than absolute cinema. Okay

668
01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:19,220
Um, why don't we do another why don't we do another topic? It's a real thing

669
01:05:20,340 --> 01:05:22,340
Is tim apple going to jail?

670
01:05:24,340 --> 01:05:28,500
That is a that is an extreme. I think I just got click baited on my own document

671
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:31,300
no, but

672
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:39,380
Apple Inc and at least one senior executive could be facing criminal investigations after being found in willful violation

673
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:44,820
Of a 2021 injunction that was a result of the apple versus epic games case

674
01:05:45,380 --> 01:05:52,820
Man the apple glazers during that whole time were just insufferable. It was rough. It was extremely hard basically

675
01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:57,140
man, do you have any idea how many accounts with like

676
01:05:57,780 --> 01:06:07,380
apple cartoon Like profile pictures that I had to ban over the over that like six to 18 months that nobody would talk about anything

677
01:06:07,380 --> 01:06:09,380
But apple versus epic not enough

678
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:14,580
It was it was wild it was like dude

679
01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:19,300
Like I would read the comment. I'd be like It can't be yep

680
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:27,060
Apple here it goes again cartoon profile picture I like I couldn't believe how strong the correlation was

681
01:06:27,780 --> 01:06:31,780
And i'm not saying that absolutely everyone who uses those profile pictures

682
01:06:32,500 --> 01:06:41,540
Is a dufus. That is not the case I'm just saying that there was a strong correlation between dufuses and people who had those profile pictures

683
01:06:42,340 --> 01:06:45,780
There were lots of people who use those profile pictures who were not dufuses

684
01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:51,460
Just there were a lot who were um, it's a fun required caveat. But anyway, anyway

685
01:06:52,820 --> 01:06:55,700
Yeah, it was it was really it was really tough to sit through because

686
01:06:56,340 --> 01:07:01,540
It's like I get you want to cheerlead your favorite corporation that like, you know

687
01:07:02,420 --> 01:07:07,460
Wants all the money from your wallet and doesn't care about you at all beyond that like I get it

688
01:07:07,540 --> 01:07:14,180
I I understand the the urge to to cheer for corporations. But it was very obvious

689
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:19,700
Like how how antitrust apple was being and all of this

690
01:07:20,820 --> 01:07:24,900
And how you might not agree with epic about everything, but how very

691
01:07:25,460 --> 01:07:28,980
Obviously correct they were at least in spirit

692
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:32,660
Even if the letter of the law did protect apple to a significant degree

693
01:07:33,460 --> 01:07:40,980
Anyway, apple is Finally getting a smackdown laid on them for all of that in an 80 page ruling filed this week

694
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:44,820
us district court judge evan gonzalez rogers found that

695
01:07:45,540 --> 01:07:51,220
A few things here apple is in willful violation of the 2021 injunction

696
01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:58,420
found that to hide the truth vice president of finance alex roman outright lied under oath

697
01:07:59,220 --> 01:08:05,620
and That neither apple nor its counsel corrected the now obvious lies

698
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:12,420
They did not seek to withdraw the testimony or have it stricken although apple did request that the court strike other testimony

699
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:17,940
Thus apple will be held to have adopted the lies and misrepresentations to this court. Damn

700
01:08:19,220 --> 01:08:27,700
Damn Dang the judge doesn't pull any punches and the ruling is full of quotable lies like

701
01:08:28,340 --> 01:08:30,900
This is an injunction not a negotiation

702
01:08:32,020 --> 01:08:39,460
Whoo, I need another one of those. Sorry dang apples continued attempts to interfere with competition will not be tolerated

703
01:08:40,340 --> 01:08:45,700
There are no do-overs once a party willfully disregards a court order

704
01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:54,660
The ruling also makes it clear that apple ceo tim cook can't make any claims that he didn't know what was going on and notes that

705
01:08:55,220 --> 01:08:57,220
Cook chose poorly

706
01:08:58,260 --> 01:09:05,780
Uh, the ruling also details multiple ways that apple thwarted the injunction's goals including a new

707
01:09:06,820 --> 01:09:11,380
27 commission on outside sales. Oh, I guess we've never really updated you guys on what exactly it was

708
01:09:11,620 --> 01:09:22,260
So the one thing that epic like one outright was that apple couldn't stop app developers from directing users to an outside payment processor

709
01:09:23,060 --> 01:09:30,660
They did say look epic You guys can't just like build your own payment processor into the fortnight app or you know any other app

710
01:09:31,300 --> 01:09:38,340
But yeah, you can direct people to an outside payment processor But so so the way that apple like got around it was they were like, okay, sure you could do that

711
01:09:38,660 --> 01:09:41,220
But we're going to take a 27 commission on that

712
01:09:41,860 --> 01:09:47,700
Which would amount to a three percent discount compared to just paying the 30 to apple

713
01:09:47,780 --> 01:09:52,900
Which is not a discount at all because you're probably going to be paying three percent or more to any payment processor

714
01:09:52,900 --> 01:09:57,220
That you're going to be using off of apple's platform. You can vouch for that, right? Is that what about what we pay on Floatplane?

715
01:09:57,220 --> 01:10:06,420
Yeah, it sounds very yeah So basically what apple did was they introduced a brand new fee that made it not economically viable to use an outside payment processor

716
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:12,340
They also added ui changes and limitations to mislead users and scare tactics

717
01:10:12,580 --> 01:10:17,940
Like full-screen warnings when the user tried to click through to an outside payment solution

718
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:25,700
The court has referred this issue to the usa for the northern district of california to determine to the usa

719
01:10:26,420 --> 01:10:32,500
Probably i think they mean court for the northern district of california to determine if criminal prosecution is warranted

720
01:10:33,220 --> 01:10:41,300
Apple says they will appeal the ruling but in the meantime has up started has updated app store guidelines to allow links to external payments

721
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:48,820
Which affects us that is so much better for us because you guys might not realize this

722
01:10:49,220 --> 01:10:54,740
But the reason that it sucks so much to manage your subscription from within the iOS app

723
01:10:55,060 --> 01:11:02,580
Is that apple doesn't allow us to do that within the app unless we pay them a 30 commission and we're not allowed to tell people why

724
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:10,660
We're literally not allowed to explain. What's happening literally weren't allowed to tell people why let's go

725
01:11:10,900 --> 01:11:18,340
Got him This is actually so good even if it's literally just to tell people that was all i really wanted

726
01:11:18,660 --> 01:11:23,140
We had our app pulled from the store Because it was like

727
01:11:23,140 --> 01:11:26,420
We tried to tell people the same way that netflix does

728
01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:30,980
And they said no and then i screenshot netflix's version, which i just

729
01:11:31,700 --> 01:11:36,900
Sorry netflix directly ripped off And they were like no and you can't use outside comparisons

730
01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:42,900
i was like What does that even mean so we we had to just take everything back

731
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:46,740
and then We got a ton of users

732
01:11:47,460 --> 01:11:51,780
Telling us that we were being evil because we were trying to hide people being able to cancel their subscriptions

733
01:11:52,420 --> 01:11:56,420
Which sucked because we really just wanted to tell people how and why

734
01:11:57,140 --> 01:12:06,580
if we weren't allowed so I don't know um usa us attorney for the northern district of california. That was what they abbreviated here. Yeah, this is good

735
01:12:06,980 --> 01:12:14,740
Yeah, this is fantastic App makers including stripe and spotify have already updated their apps to take advantage of the new guidelines

736
01:12:14,980 --> 01:12:24,260
While others like patreon and proton have announced They are working on doing the same with proton ceo and yen announcing a price cut of up to 30 for iOS users because

737
01:12:24,820 --> 01:12:28,340
Yeah, it turns out the app store fee was just a tax

738
01:12:28,820 --> 01:12:32,820
It was an apple tax literally the apple tax

739
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:41,940
um, and You know what? I get that apple wants to make a profit on the you know the platform that they built and

740
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:45,140
They should make a profit on the platform that they built

741
01:12:46,740 --> 01:12:54,180
It's called the like $1500 that it costs for a freaking iphone pro max. That's the profit apple

742
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:58,100
You made the profit

743
01:12:59,220 --> 01:13:02,020
And if someone wants to use your payment processor

744
01:13:02,420 --> 01:13:08,020
Then by all means provide that as a service all epic was ever asking was for competition

745
01:13:08,420 --> 01:13:13,780
In payment processors payment processors should not be locked in. I mean

746
01:13:14,740 --> 01:13:22,580
And again, I I I fully comprehend the apple glazer argument. Well apple apple built the street

747
01:13:23,540 --> 01:13:27,620
Right, they built the street that you set up your shop on so then you should use

748
01:13:28,260 --> 01:13:31,940
Their payment processor, but but it's like what if we do actually seriously though?

749
01:13:31,940 --> 01:13:35,060
What if we take that what if we take that into the real world?

750
01:13:35,540 --> 01:13:38,820
right So because my because my local government

751
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:44,020
You know paves a freaking road and then like I you know, I I lease my shop there

752
01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:48,980
Do I have do I have to use their their pick? Do I have to source all of my goods from them as well?

753
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:55,620
Like what is this communism? Like what are we actually even talking about here? No, why should I have to use someone's payment processor?

754
01:13:56,340 --> 01:14:02,980
Like yeah, the software is running on their hardware But show me an analog you have to pay an annual fee to have an app on the app store

755
01:14:03,220 --> 01:14:07,860
Yeah, they really wanted they can up they could up that but then there would be competing stores

756
01:14:08,020 --> 01:14:10,020
So when I also make the road

757
01:14:11,380 --> 01:14:14,260
You know, yeah, it's a terrible comparison. I'm over it. I can understand

758
01:14:14,900 --> 01:14:21,220
My analogy sucked I can understand needing to benefit the platform that you're using to some degree

759
01:14:22,100 --> 01:14:28,900
Um, but then there's going to be competition there. Okay guys. I'm joking. I know oh man Linus sees capitalist greed

760
01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:36,900
What is this communism? No? Oh No, I know I know is is joke is joke sees anything you don't like goes is this coming? Okay?

761
01:14:39,140 --> 01:14:41,940
Okay, look the point is no

762
01:14:42,340 --> 01:14:47,940
Just because apple happens to own the land on which I operate my store does not mean that they get to 100

763
01:14:48,820 --> 01:14:55,060
Dictate the terms of what I can sell in my store and you know, what services that I can use in order for

764
01:14:55,780 --> 01:14:59,860
In order to take payment from people no

765
01:14:59,860 --> 01:15:04,180
And now that is it's a rough analogy. Just don't worry about it now. It's locked

766
01:15:05,060 --> 01:15:11,460
There that's all you need to know is that now you can expect your in-app purchases on iOS devices to be more affordable

767
01:15:11,860 --> 01:15:18,420
And if google's smart they're going to look at this and go And make sure that they're aligned with it. Hopefully that happens

768
01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:22,340
Slack messages here handyman has been saying that there's more to this story

769
01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:26,740
Including some crazy slack messages Uh

770
01:15:26,740 --> 01:15:31,060
Tim sp says there are some malls which try to force vendors to use certain payment processors

771
01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:38,020
So they can do whole mall gift certificates. So one thing that does break down in that particular example is that customers can use cash

772
01:15:38,900 --> 01:15:42,580
They have the option of using something else on the app store

773
01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:47,380
That was epics whole argument is that you only have one

774
01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:53,540
Choice and you don't even so much as have the ability to put up a little sign that says hey, there's a you know

775
01:15:53,620 --> 01:15:55,620
3% discount to use cash

776
01:15:56,820 --> 01:16:00,260
You have no choice whatsoever

777
01:16:00,260 --> 01:16:06,660
There that's actually a much a much much better way of illustrating the problem here

778
01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:13,940
So apparently these internal slack messages are are just about like the language of different things this one says

779
01:16:14,580 --> 01:16:20,340
Um, the employee who said that some of the draft language for leaving the app to pay for something

780
01:16:20,820 --> 01:16:25,860
Uh, didn't sound scary enough and they wanted to scare users a bit. Um

781
01:16:27,620 --> 01:16:31,700
To raise questions and hesitancy when clicking on that's amazing

782
01:16:32,420 --> 01:16:36,040
stuff That's hilarious in slack communications

783
01:16:36,740 --> 01:16:40,900
Like continuing on the web you will leave the app and be taken to an external website

784
01:16:41,380 --> 01:16:44,180
Because external websites sound scary. So execs will love it

785
01:16:45,700 --> 01:16:50,020
That's hilarious It's amazing how just like

786
01:16:50,420 --> 01:16:56,340
Yeah, duh, but also just yeah, like they actually like they are exactly as

787
01:16:56,900 --> 01:16:59,220
I will also say though like if

788
01:17:01,060 --> 01:17:09,620
If you're surprised by that like damn dude That level of stuff is happening at these companies all the time every day. Yeah every day

789
01:17:09,620 --> 01:17:15,620
I mean honestly like to a certain degree if you just want to compete well and be a like reasonably smart company

790
01:17:15,620 --> 01:17:22,020
You're making decisions like this. Okay, smash champs when we designed our internal flow for how people walk in and out of the building

791
01:17:22,020 --> 01:17:26,420
Exit through the gift shop. It's like the most classic business thing ever

792
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:32,740
Yeah, there we have another door that we could have used that people could walk straight onto the court and we barred it

793
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:39,780
Because we want people to walk through the pro shop And walk past the concession area before they can get to the courts

794
01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:44,180
And then we want them to walk past the concession area and through the pro shop before they can leave the courts

795
01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:50,660
This is this is very standard. That is business 101. That was yeah, that those messages. Like yeah, they're bad

796
01:17:50,660 --> 01:17:54,340
I guess but that's I'm very not surprised. I've seen way worse

797
01:17:54,340 --> 01:17:58,260
Well, they're bad because of the monopolistic nature. That's what's bad

798
01:17:58,340 --> 01:18:02,580
Totally, but think about like the the tesla stuff when they're like sharing footage from people's cars and stuff

799
01:18:02,580 --> 01:18:08,900
Like we've seen way worse things. We've talked about way worse things on the show before but like but the key

800
01:18:09,460 --> 01:18:13,300
The key. No, I get it. It's bad. I get it is the monopoly. Totally. That's the key

801
01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:19,460
Yeah, and they're trying to push the monopoly monopoly anyways despite losing the thing by using scary language and stuff like that

802
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:26,820
I'm not saying it's good. I'm not saying it's good I'm just saying we've seen a lot worse. And if that's like surprising to you like dude

803
01:18:27,780 --> 01:18:32,180
Businesses do be due in business top gear 12 24 says they do force vendors

804
01:18:32,580 --> 01:18:37,700
Not try to customers don't have the right to use cash Most places are cart only because they don't want to deal with cash walking off

805
01:18:37,700 --> 01:18:42,500
But that's that's not the same thing. That's not the venue dictating that customers can't use cash

806
01:18:43,380 --> 01:18:52,900
That is the store Deciding not to take cash which benefits his argument. Yes. That is exactly what I was saying the store should have a choice

807
01:18:54,020 --> 01:19:01,460
There should be a lower cost Alternative and that can absolutely be a reasonable choice, especially in like high crime areas

808
01:19:01,620 --> 01:19:06,180
Absolutely, if you want to have a little sign up that says no cash on premises and you want it to be real

809
01:19:06,260 --> 01:19:10,020
You need to not take cash Yeah

810
01:19:11,940 --> 01:19:16,820
Oh are people mad at me about my uh about the exit through the gift shop thing. Oh, actually no not too bad

811
01:19:17,620 --> 01:19:23,860
Not too bad The pro shops doing great by the way. Yeah, in case anyone's wondering. I noticed you guys were low on rackets

812
01:19:24,020 --> 01:19:28,260
Which is a good thing. Yeah, well and a really bad thing. Yeah, you got to get more

813
01:19:28,340 --> 01:19:32,500
But it's a good sign that you're actually selling them. Are we working on an update for the Floatplane app?

814
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:38,180
Uh, well, yeah okay

815
01:19:38,180 --> 01:19:49,060
It'll be a bit. Yeah, cool And realistically, it's less of an impact for us because we already were not charging a 30 apple tax because we literally just that's not

816
01:19:49,620 --> 01:19:52,180
There's not compatible with our business model at all

817
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:57,620
Um, it was not going to be a thing like Floatplane does not if we if if we were just like, yeah

818
01:19:58,260 --> 01:20:02,260
Uh 30 of gross receipts. Here you go apple

819
01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:09,860
The What would have been what would have been left loop? It's already a thing that splits multiple ways

820
01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:14,820
Splitting it another way is like yeah, because it splits between the creator and the platform, right?

821
01:20:15,140 --> 01:20:19,380
And also the payment processor, which we like still have to pay. Um, so

822
01:20:20,020 --> 01:20:24,260
So that's why you can't subscribe in the app. That's why you can't unsubscribe in the app

823
01:20:24,660 --> 01:20:30,020
So we've just had people sign up on the website like on the web and then just like

824
01:20:30,580 --> 01:20:33,940
Use their account to sign into the app. That's the only way we've been able to do it

825
01:20:33,940 --> 01:20:37,220
So it'll it'll work like that until such time as we can get it updated

826
01:20:39,540 --> 01:20:46,740
Um This is interesting. Yeah context menu says in the uk they're talking about introducing legislation to maybe force companies to accept cash

827
01:20:47,540 --> 01:20:52,740
As digital payment methods are disproportionately impacting older people who still use cash as their primary or only payment method

828
01:20:52,740 --> 01:20:56,740
Yeah, it's not just elderly like maybe that's kind of the the spin on it in the uk

829
01:20:57,220 --> 01:21:00,740
But I know that over here um

830
01:21:00,740 --> 01:21:08,420
A lot more of the people that I've encountered who are like cash only people are more uh, like they don't trust banks or they

831
01:21:09,220 --> 01:21:15,060
um Yeah, mostly comes down to like not trusting banks or not wanting their purchases tracked

832
01:21:15,460 --> 01:21:23,140
Like it's kind of more of a privacy argument And I I see it. I see it both of those ways both from like an accessibility

833
01:21:23,780 --> 01:21:26,420
And from a like privacy standpoint

834
01:21:27,620 --> 01:21:29,620
The challenge though is like man

835
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:36,100
Like have you seen some of those some of those wild tick talks of like

836
01:21:36,660 --> 01:21:40,340
McDonald's restaurants that have been turned into freaking fortresses

837
01:21:40,980 --> 01:21:46,420
Because they're in these like super high crime rate areas and they're like everything's barricaded off and stuff

838
01:21:47,380 --> 01:21:52,580
Like oh dude, I I wouldn't I wouldn't want to handle cash if I was working in a place like that

839
01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:55,300
So I don't really know how to reconcile that man

840
01:21:56,260 --> 01:21:58,260
um

841
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:08,260
I don't have a solution I I definitely see this one both ways personally I

842
01:22:08,820 --> 01:22:14,740
I have been I've been almost zero cash for so long that someone handed me a one dollar coin

843
01:22:15,220 --> 01:22:18,020
Someone handed me a loonie the other day and I was like, well, this is really light

844
01:22:18,900 --> 01:22:22,980
Because it turns out they actually changed the composition of them since the last time I held one

845
01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:27,300
Like I just I just do not use cash anymore

846
01:22:27,940 --> 01:22:30,660
But I definitely understand why some people prefer it

847
01:22:33,140 --> 01:22:37,140
There is at least one place that I go decently often that only takes cash

848
01:22:37,300 --> 01:22:42,260
Which is really annoying Is it that gas station you like? No. Okay. Yeah

849
01:22:42,820 --> 01:22:46,100
Uh, oh haircut please. Yeah. Yeah, I can see that

850
01:22:46,580 --> 01:22:50,660
I mean during covet most of the cash only places like the holdouts

851
01:22:51,140 --> 01:22:57,060
Um switched to taking digital payments. Um people them. Yeah dealing with cash at that time was yeah stuff

852
01:22:57,540 --> 01:23:04,020
I'm not sure how to read this People are saying that the apple thing only applies to american stores

853
01:23:04,580 --> 01:23:08,740
Yeah for now Yeah, but that means we would not be able to update

854
01:23:09,140 --> 01:23:13,700
We couldn't be for american customers. That's what I'm trying to figure out. So the the line is

855
01:23:14,340 --> 01:23:19,220
Link to other purchase methods developers may apply for entitlements

856
01:23:19,620 --> 01:23:25,460
Apply keyword to provide a link in their app to a website the developer owns or maintains

857
01:23:25,940 --> 01:23:32,740
Uh responsibility for in order to purchase digital content or services. So sure no problem. We could link to the flip links website

858
01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:36,980
That's fine. Yeah, these entitlements are not required for developers to include

859
01:23:37,380 --> 01:23:43,220
Buttons external links or other calls to action in their united states storefront apps. I genuinely don't know what that means

860
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:49,060
I might just be dumb I mean we can always try these entitlements are not required

861
01:23:49,940 --> 01:23:58,100
For developers to include buttons external Oh, so you don't have to apply if you're a us store, but you can apply if you're not a us store

862
01:23:58,180 --> 01:24:02,660
All right, well, we'll see what happens. So we can apply But they might just say no

863
01:24:02,820 --> 01:24:12,100
Or just never respond to it Nice, I could absolutely see that being a thing. Well. Yeah, especially now that uh, they're internal slack messages and emails and everything get

864
01:24:13,140 --> 01:24:18,260
Perused. Yeah, um on a seemingly somewhat regular basis around this. Yeah

865
01:24:19,380 --> 01:24:23,780
Should we Should we have we only done two topics already? Yeah

866
01:24:24,580 --> 01:24:29,300
Is that you seem pretty cool You seem unfazed by that

867
01:24:29,300 --> 01:24:31,780
I have a heart out from you. So

868
01:24:32,500 --> 01:24:35,460
They were on track to make that we're quite far from the heart out the heart outs

869
01:24:36,580 --> 01:24:40,820
Well, actually, I think this in gold. I think my heart out time might have also been wrong

870
01:24:41,620 --> 01:24:49,140
So that's something what what is the actual heart out? Have we been bamboozled? Well, see I don't um been lied to

871
01:24:50,020 --> 01:24:55,860
I don't know deceived Okay, technically I think I'm supposed to be somewhere at eight

872
01:24:56,660 --> 01:25:02,260
But I also don't really like what it's not it's not that hard though. We were told your heart out was nine

873
01:25:02,340 --> 01:25:08,180
It's kind of soft. It's soft. Okay. Let's do some merch messages. We're still fine free heart out

874
01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:11,940
We're still fine. Um, that's where I swear this has never happened before

875
01:25:12,660 --> 01:25:19,860
um You can go you can go grill some cheese. I'm stealing this from true. It's true. He's joke. Oh, I'm taking it. It's mine now

876
01:25:20,100 --> 01:25:26,660
Oh, get on chewy Really fine. No, I'm not doing it. Do you explain merch messages? I'm on temporary strike

877
01:25:26,900 --> 01:25:30,660
Uh, if you go on. Oh, is it on both? I don't remember

878
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:39,220
Uh, do merch messages work? Hold on people are sending them right Dan. Yep. Well, okay, then they must work. They work. Yeah, they're on both sick

879
01:25:39,380 --> 01:25:44,420
Good job. Oh, jeez. What a wizard. Oh, look at this guy. Amazing. Look at how they do it stuff

880
01:25:44,900 --> 01:25:52,260
There isn't one hundred not everything's absolutely perfect Like you can't Floatplane sign in on the global store and stuff like that, but like it's pretty it's pretty good

881
01:25:52,340 --> 01:25:56,420
It's you got time constraints. It's pretty good. Uh, but yeah, merch messages

882
01:25:56,420 --> 01:26:01,380
You go on LTT Store global or not add something to your cart and in the cart

883
01:26:01,620 --> 01:26:05,940
You will see this box right here if you click the little check there

884
01:26:06,260 --> 01:26:12,500
You can send a message and it will appear at the bottom of the screen and that guy up there

885
01:26:12,900 --> 01:26:18,740
Might respond to it or he could curate it for probably Linus, but one of us to respond to you

886
01:26:18,980 --> 01:26:22,740
There's a curated one for you this week. Yeah, but you have to go to the bathroom or something. Oh, I can do that

887
01:26:22,740 --> 01:26:24,740
That's still the lines with what I said

888
01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:33,620
Have fun wee weeing

889
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:39,300
Okay Oh

890
01:26:39,540 --> 01:26:42,340
So luke, what's up? What are your thoughts?

891
01:26:42,980 --> 01:26:46,580
on That that right

892
01:26:47,060 --> 01:26:54,500
Now I'm on top of you Question for luke. What are your thoughts on the legitimacy of the why is when late series considering?

893
01:26:55,060 --> 01:27:00,740
The judge is under the payroll of one of the contestants. I've raised this as a concern multiple times

894
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:05,300
This is this is a problem. I think I think not only is that a problem

895
01:27:05,300 --> 01:27:13,940
But I think the judge's natural inclination towards interesting content instead of legitimacy and accuracy

896
01:27:14,580 --> 01:27:20,260
Brings to question the the results when the results lean towards someone who

897
01:27:21,140 --> 01:27:27,060
Has a proven history and has an extreme record of precedence for not showing up on time

898
01:27:27,380 --> 01:27:33,380
And somehow even when he doesn't show up on time still gets marked as a win. It's it's it's uh

899
01:27:34,260 --> 01:27:38,900
It's concerning to be to be clear

900
01:27:39,220 --> 01:27:45,060
I would agree completely the problem is that we don't have anybody to complain to because he also pays our bills. Yeah

901
01:27:45,940 --> 01:27:48,980
stuff It's a tough one

902
01:27:48,980 --> 01:27:55,460
How much you can do about it? Oh, no, please send his minions. I thought you were gone

903
01:27:57,220 --> 01:28:01,780
I am an umpire Sammy come and defend your honor

904
01:28:02,740 --> 01:28:06,740
I am unbiased and wise manly. I didn't realize it's not even six yet

905
01:28:07,780 --> 01:28:12,660
I keep it professional. I have high morale. Is it what is it? Yes. I have high

906
01:28:13,460 --> 01:28:19,140
Standards for myself. There you go morals morals. I have good. I have morals, but you wouldn't say high. You say like strong morals

907
01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:23,940
I have strong morals. There you go. Sure Describe the full plane

908
01:28:24,180 --> 01:28:27,700
Most of them are I got like jump scared by Sammy

909
01:28:28,340 --> 01:28:33,220
Wait, you I he just appeared It's just orange probably ran

910
01:28:34,580 --> 01:28:41,380
That was wild whoof um, so that's that definitely sells at the days is uh

911
01:28:42,180 --> 01:28:49,860
Definitely weighted towards Linus Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally at least a little bit totally totally totally at least a little bit. I'm still gonna win though

912
01:28:50,740 --> 01:28:58,580
Yeah, because you're actually here. Yeah, I was just a point I was early today. I got a new work laptop and I'm literally thinking like I'm just gonna

913
01:28:58,900 --> 01:29:04,100
Schedule the show up like way early and just work on set. We could have been on time today, but he was talking about cheese

914
01:29:04,260 --> 01:29:07,940
I even gave it a countdown I gave a countdown on everything

915
01:29:08,180 --> 01:29:12,020
I reminded you weren't we late. We were late because he wouldn't listen to me

916
01:29:13,060 --> 01:29:19,380
I had this thing It was we had we were gonna be on time perfectly for the first time for like ever

917
01:29:19,860 --> 01:29:26,580
That's funny Tinker watch says it should be a Vaughn that is in charge of wise way and late. Um, that's worse

918
01:29:27,620 --> 01:29:29,620
Honestly, no. Oh, yeah, that's right

919
01:29:31,060 --> 01:29:33,620
No knowing of what she would probably vote for me

920
01:29:34,260 --> 01:29:40,260
To the point where it might be unfair the other way. Yeah, I want my husband home. She spent time with his family

921
01:29:42,100 --> 01:29:47,860
It should be luke's mom. No, uh I love my mom. She would definitely vote for me more often

922
01:29:48,660 --> 01:29:57,060
Yeah, that would it would be unfair I don't I don't know why it's not me because you know when you parked illegally in the handicap spot sideways the other week

923
01:29:58,900 --> 01:30:02,740
Both of you left to go and insult each other outside

924
01:30:03,620 --> 01:30:07,060
Leaving me alone with still no title or thumbnail

925
01:30:08,260 --> 01:30:11,860
So I think you both lost on that one because he could have stayed here

926
01:30:12,340 --> 01:30:16,020
Done the title and thumbnail and then it really would have been your fault for making us late

927
01:30:16,180 --> 01:30:20,500
Did he did he not lose on that one? I think he thought he lost but

928
01:30:22,020 --> 01:30:24,500
We were more late because of your antics

929
01:30:27,780 --> 01:30:31,860
We should have both lost on that one. I don't know I'm okay with us both losing. I don't know

930
01:30:33,060 --> 01:30:37,860
Oh, it's my turn for the I don't know There you go

931
01:30:38,740 --> 01:30:44,580
The handicap spot. That's not cool. I didn't even realize it was there. I'm sorry. I'm that's how little he cares

932
01:30:44,980 --> 01:30:46,980
Oh my god

933
01:30:52,420 --> 01:30:54,420
My god

934
01:30:56,900 --> 01:31:03,060
He's just very loudly getting snacks. I mean, I think he's trying to make it louder

935
01:31:06,260 --> 01:31:09,780
Can you guys hear that I'm convinced he's trying to make it louder

936
01:31:12,340 --> 01:31:16,660
Why is this such a process You can come back now

937
01:31:16,660 --> 01:31:20,500
How many snacks you just two bags of chip for all that noise they're a mixed don't judge me

938
01:31:20,900 --> 01:31:25,460
Why was this so much noise though? You wanted specific bags and you had to dig for them

939
01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:27,700
Yeah, it's like a

940
01:31:28,980 --> 01:31:31,860
Well, I'm not going to just take a random flavor of chips

941
01:31:32,740 --> 01:31:37,380
I knew something was going on. We're not even calorie worthy if they're not the right flavor. That's true

942
01:31:38,020 --> 01:31:42,900
I still I don't even agree that that's the right flavor still but you sea salt malt vinegar kettle chips

943
01:31:42,980 --> 01:31:45,620
Is not the right plate the boxes that we get

944
01:31:46,180 --> 01:31:52,580
Don't have the right my cheese my cheese takes are no longer the most controversial food. Mr. He's jalapeno is definitely the best

945
01:31:54,020 --> 01:31:57,140
Well, we don't have that though. That's what i'm saying. I don't think the boxes have the best flavor

946
01:31:57,140 --> 01:31:59,860
What are you even talking about that? I don't think any of them are calorie worthy

947
01:32:09,140 --> 01:32:11,860
Nobody wants plain chips. I didn't say plain chips

948
01:32:12,820 --> 01:32:14,820
It's misspeaking jalapeno

949
01:32:18,580 --> 01:32:23,620
Why do you love submarines so much instead of plain chips? They don't even fit in our products

950
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:26,900
Oh, man, someone should

951
01:32:30,820 --> 01:32:33,700
Plain chips that's actually yeah, that's that's solid

952
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:39,220
That's solid. Um, what are we supposed to be doing right now? You're gonna do a merch man. No, you're gonna read it

953
01:32:39,380 --> 01:32:43,700
There's your there's your consumable brand. But you were doing one merch message the whole time. I was gone

954
01:32:43,780 --> 01:32:47,700
I don't think we even did one. Yeah, that was the merch message. Oh, that was I thought you just asked me that

955
01:32:47,860 --> 01:32:53,060
No, that was the merch message. We did a merch message. Good job. They specifically wanted line us not here

956
01:32:53,460 --> 01:32:56,820
Um, uh, now you do an announcement. Did they ask for that? Yes

957
01:32:57,540 --> 01:33:01,220
Huh, wait, so That was oddly convenient. I can do announcements

958
01:33:01,620 --> 01:33:05,220
We told him to leave and then he did. Oh, I thought he just went to the

959
01:33:05,860 --> 01:33:07,860
No, I space

960
01:33:09,300 --> 01:33:13,620
I'm lucid Flow plane announcement

961
01:33:13,620 --> 01:33:19,060
Get a glimpse of the day-to-day at Linus media group with this week's exclusives

962
01:33:19,060 --> 01:33:25,460
You can meet Emily Seddon One of our post production supervisors that help release all the amazing LTT videos you watch

963
01:33:25,860 --> 01:33:28,500
You can learn about her favorite memory with Linus

964
01:33:29,380 --> 01:33:35,780
What? Um, a little bit more about the gamer van that we built her and much much more

965
01:33:35,940 --> 01:33:38,660
So we've got that here for meet the team

966
01:33:41,220 --> 01:33:49,700
What do people say? No, okay. I I'm I'm gonna have to watch this. I'm extremely curious what uh, Emily Seddon's favorite moment would be

967
01:33:50,020 --> 01:33:55,140
Uh, we also have sarah's q&a coming up. You can submit your questions for her q&a

968
01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:58,740
Behind the scenes creating the alex week trailer. That was that was so cool

969
01:33:59,700 --> 01:34:08,180
That was flipping awesome Yeah fires more of your thing you can watch alex andy and sebastian play with a lot of fire in this week's behind the scenes

970
01:34:08,980 --> 01:34:14,340
If you're with our insurance company, please look away. No one snitch. I like it. Uh,

971
01:34:15,060 --> 01:34:20,340
okay So we're supposed to watch from 9 14

972
01:34:20,980 --> 01:34:24,980
to 9 30 One second here. Let me just fire this up

973
01:34:25,780 --> 01:34:28,660
I have not watched this yet either am I about to see something

974
01:34:28,900 --> 01:34:35,620
More what can you smile like a maniac? Okay? Yeah, yeah, like ha ha ha like mad scientist

975
01:34:46,820 --> 01:34:51,780
He honestly did a really good job with that stop it. There you go. He did a really good job with that

976
01:34:52,900 --> 01:34:54,900
He actually killed it

977
01:34:58,660 --> 01:35:00,660
It was great

978
01:35:04,500 --> 01:35:07,220
Okay, I don't know what to do

979
01:35:09,460 --> 01:35:11,460
I scared people in a restaurant recently

980
01:35:14,180 --> 01:35:19,620
There he goes, okay, perfect I went up for lunch with lucas and nick from the lab to do like a Labs leadership lunch thing

981
01:35:19,940 --> 01:35:24,420
And I don't remember what was said, but somebody said something and I got a good one in and like

982
01:35:25,140 --> 01:35:30,100
everybody jumped and I I like Apologized

983
01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:39,060
Are you in Langley, vietnamese? No, okay Uh, where were you guys should I be embarrassed if I go somewhere like do they know do they know we're affiliated?

984
01:35:39,700 --> 01:35:42,900
Uh, probably not. Okay, cool. I don't remember the

985
01:35:43,780 --> 01:35:50,980
Ruby's I am okay Never been there. Yeah, cool. Yeah, all right. Yeah, there are certain restaurants locally that like

986
01:35:51,700 --> 01:35:54,740
A lot of LMG creator warehouse Floatplane staff go to

987
01:35:55,460 --> 01:36:03,140
Where they like, you know, know You know who we all are. Yeah, you know, yeah, but they also probably wouldn't have been surprised by you. So no

988
01:36:03,620 --> 01:36:08,660
Yeah, they would have experienced it already Anyway, um, you can check this all out at LMG.gg

989
01:36:09,380 --> 01:36:14,020
Slash Floatplane or on our members page on youtube if that's more your cup of tea. All right Dan

990
01:36:14,020 --> 01:36:19,540
What are we supposed to be doing another message? Oh, did we not do the second one yet? No good lord. All right. Hit me

991
01:36:19,620 --> 01:36:24,180
Hi, I recently watched your home server room build videos and was wondering why you did not

992
01:36:24,420 --> 01:36:29,700
Install a water-to-water heat pump to increase the heat that you take out of that room and put into the pool

993
01:36:30,420 --> 01:36:34,660
okay, so For starters

994
01:36:35,380 --> 01:36:42,580
That would have been harder I mean with all the various iterations of what we ultimately ended up doing it

995
01:36:42,820 --> 01:36:46,660
Wouldn't have been harder would have been much easier to just do it properly in the first place

996
01:36:47,140 --> 01:36:51,060
um, but what I was hoping was that I wouldn't have to

997
01:36:51,940 --> 01:36:57,940
Expend electricity on the heat exchanging situation other than just pumping the water

998
01:36:58,500 --> 01:37:04,980
Um, and I have discovered that no in fact that will not be easily very possible. So

999
01:37:05,940 --> 01:37:12,340
I currently don't actually believe that anyone who mentions heat pumps on the internet is not a technology connections watcher

1000
01:37:13,060 --> 01:37:19,140
I have basically decided this anytime anyone mentions heat pump. I'm like, I'm just confused that people

1001
01:37:20,100 --> 01:37:24,580
like didn't like It was like years and years ago

1002
01:37:25,060 --> 01:37:33,300
That I just like read some like basic article that was like air conditioner versus heat pump versus radiant heating

1003
01:37:33,700 --> 01:37:37,300
Like this is probably like 20 years ago or something like that. It was like

1004
01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:43,220
Heat pump is the best and I was like, okay heat pump is the best and then I've just been kind of sitting around

1005
01:37:44,260 --> 01:37:47,380
Like waiting as people like figure this out

1006
01:37:47,460 --> 01:37:51,540
Like it seems like this has just been a known quantity for like a really really long time

1007
01:37:51,860 --> 01:37:57,060
Like when we were talking recently about how they have been kind of demonized in germany on wancho

1008
01:37:57,700 --> 01:38:03,540
Remember that and I was like what demonized of what what who doesn't like efficiency. There there are they're not perfect

1009
01:38:04,420 --> 01:38:06,580
The germans apparently they shut down all the nuclear plants

1010
01:38:20,180 --> 01:38:22,180
Yikes

1011
01:38:24,740 --> 01:38:27,780
So anyway, I found the whole thing kind of confusing because I thought just like

1012
01:38:28,260 --> 01:38:34,340
Everyone knew that heat pipes are kind of sick, but it seems like a lot of people still don't know that

1013
01:38:36,900 --> 01:38:39,700
Yeah, anyway, so heat pipes

1014
01:38:40,980 --> 01:38:45,780
No, I did not learn about them on technology connections, but I love I love that

1015
01:38:47,380 --> 01:38:52,180
I love that he talks about them a lot and says how cool they are because they really are cool

1016
01:38:52,580 --> 01:38:57,780
Like it it it blew my mind when I found out that it cost so much more to heat

1017
01:38:58,180 --> 01:39:06,180
With resistive heating compared to like the the multiple times more efficient that using a compressor and

1018
01:39:06,820 --> 01:39:09,700
Uh and a heat pipe a heat pipe a heat pump

1019
01:39:10,420 --> 01:39:14,980
Can be for for for heating and then also the fact that whoa no way they can also like do cooling as well

1020
01:39:14,980 --> 01:39:19,460
Like heat heat pumps are super cool That's that's what I installed in my old place

1021
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:24,660
And that's what I didn't want to install in my mechanical room downstairs because

1022
01:39:25,140 --> 01:39:28,580
I didn't really want to pay to run an air conditioner all year round

1023
01:39:29,460 --> 01:39:34,740
My hope was that in the winter with the pool running at like 10 degrees, which is kind of what they recommend

1024
01:39:35,620 --> 01:39:39,700
That it would adequately cool the room and it does it works great

1025
01:39:40,420 --> 01:39:44,740
Unfortunately in the summer with the pool in the like mid to high 20s

1026
01:39:45,380 --> 01:39:51,460
Uh, this is Celsius by the way. Um, yeah, not so good. It does remove all the heat from the room

1027
01:39:51,780 --> 01:39:57,060
Like I can close the door. It's an insulated room and it does remove it all and it works way better than it used to

1028
01:39:57,060 --> 01:40:02,740
Now that we have it right at the back of the rack But it's pretty uncomfortably hot in there and it kind of sucks

1029
01:40:03,060 --> 01:40:07,140
So I actually was chatting with Jake today and I think the plan

1030
01:40:07,940 --> 01:40:11,780
Is to actually use a yacht AC

1031
01:40:11,780 --> 01:40:16,580
Because they're designed for liquid to liquid on both sides

1032
01:40:17,540 --> 01:40:20,340
So what we're going to do is we finally

1033
01:40:21,780 --> 01:40:27,940
I hate it when this happens So, you know that janky video that we did recently where we made a water door for the server room over at the lab

1034
01:40:28,740 --> 01:40:31,780
Okay We did that video

1035
01:40:31,780 --> 01:40:38,100
and literally Literally one of the companies that we reached out to to try to get a proper one

1036
01:40:38,820 --> 01:40:40,820
And was like, no, forget it

1037
01:40:41,940 --> 01:40:45,860
Got in touch with us after seeing that video and was like, hey, yeah, like we could send you

1038
01:40:46,660 --> 01:40:49,700
I was like, oh, come on. We wanted to do it properly in the first place

1039
01:40:49,940 --> 01:40:56,900
But because we're not ordering a hundred of them, you know, no data center supplier was interested in building us any any water doors

1040
01:40:57,220 --> 01:41:01,620
Yeah, so anyway Now i'm getting a water door for my basement

1041
01:41:02,340 --> 01:41:09,060
Because we already have a functioning one here I guess we're just leaving it there. I didn't actually ask Jake that maybe we should get in the right kid

1042
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:16,980
Doesn't matter the point is we're getting one for my basement too Yeah, so we're gonna run a cold loop there off of the cold side of the ac

1043
01:41:17,140 --> 01:41:22,260
Which will probably be a heat pump because a lot of a a lot of air conditioning units are just heat pumps

1044
01:41:22,580 --> 01:41:27,540
Um, so we'll run that off the cold side and then the hot side will go off of the pool loop

1045
01:41:28,580 --> 01:41:31,860
Unfortunately, that means that I have to pay to run the compressor all the time

1046
01:41:32,020 --> 01:41:36,500
Which I don't know realistically with like modern efficient compressors is honestly probably not that bad

1047
01:41:36,980 --> 01:41:41,460
So that's the new plan for that. It sucks, but I think it makes sense. So we'll have a a chill room does cook

1048
01:41:41,540 --> 01:41:45,140
Yeah, we'll have a chilled water water door at the back of the server rack

1049
01:41:45,380 --> 01:41:48,900
And then we'll try to capture as much as we can of the heat coming off of

1050
01:41:49,380 --> 01:41:55,460
Uh, the systems inside I don't know how those water cooled systems are gonna figure into all this

1051
01:41:55,860 --> 01:41:59,620
Because there's honestly no point having them water cooled if you have a chilled water door

1052
01:41:59,620 --> 01:42:03,060
You would just take the hot air coming out of the back of the systems. You would blow it through your water door

1053
01:42:03,380 --> 01:42:10,340
but also Typically the fans that you're using in a setup like that are super loud like high static pressure like server fans, which

1054
01:42:10,740 --> 01:42:16,420
I don't want in that room. I quieted down that room both like very intentionally recently quieted down that room

1055
01:42:16,900 --> 01:42:21,380
so maybe Maybe chilled water to the servers

1056
01:42:22,020 --> 01:42:28,100
Probably not probably what we would do is we would take the the ultimate version of the chiller. Everything comes back

1057
01:42:30,340 --> 01:42:38,660
Okay So I have something I'm really excited about you just got to get Yvonne to buy the like heat pump for you or something

1058
01:42:38,740 --> 01:42:46,020
It's way better than my old chiller So luke's referring to the time for one of my birthdays that Yvonne bought me a window mounted ac unit

1059
01:42:46,340 --> 01:42:53,140
So that I could dismantle it Dip the cold side into just like a giant like igloo brand

1060
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:59,300
Cooler reservoir and then pump windshield de-icer to my CPU and GPU's

1061
01:43:00,500 --> 01:43:04,820
As like a 24 7 sub zero setup. It's pretty sick. It's pretty sick

1062
01:43:04,820 --> 01:43:11,460
That's what he's referring to you can you can check it out in the staff reacts to Linus's old janky rigs video that we did a while back

1063
01:43:12,900 --> 01:43:15,700
No, no, we're going to take it to a completely different level

1064
01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:19,620
so I'm not going to name any names because

1065
01:43:20,020 --> 01:43:23,940
You know the timeline is tbd and you never know things can things can fall through

1066
01:43:24,500 --> 01:43:27,460
But I am in touch with someone who back in the day

1067
01:43:28,420 --> 01:43:30,420
Created phase change

1068
01:43:31,540 --> 01:43:35,940
Coolers. Oh, yeah, this is so sick. I know about this, but I can't say anything. Okay, cool

1069
01:43:36,340 --> 01:43:40,740
phase change coolers that I lusted over in my in my

1070
01:43:42,100 --> 01:43:44,100
post adolescent pants

1071
01:43:45,140 --> 01:43:48,580
and He hasn't done one in a long time

1072
01:43:49,380 --> 01:43:55,620
But we offered to do a collab slash commission build and he's super down which is so sick

1073
01:43:56,420 --> 01:44:04,100
So what my goal is is to make a 24 7 is to turn my system 24 7

1074
01:44:04,580 --> 01:44:06,820
Phase change cooled so sick. So

1075
01:44:07,860 --> 01:44:12,420
I think we're targeting like somewhere between minus 20 and minus 50

1076
01:44:12,980 --> 01:44:15,380
Something like that like minus 20 to minus 40

1077
01:44:16,260 --> 01:44:19,460
And if we can build a high enough capacity unit

1078
01:44:19,940 --> 01:44:27,780
Then I could potentially do CPU and GPU and we could make blocks that could be adapted to future

1079
01:44:28,660 --> 01:44:32,980
Sockets and future GPU's and then just I could carry them forward

1080
01:44:33,220 --> 01:44:37,380
So what I would like is to have it fit in a rack mount form factor

1081
01:44:37,860 --> 01:44:43,060
Right under my gaming rig and so my rig would essentially be like subzero cooled

1082
01:44:43,140 --> 01:44:45,860
And then all the other rigs would just be water cooled off of the pool water

1083
01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:50,180
Not the actual pool water the water that runs through the loop that goes through the walls of the pool

1084
01:44:50,180 --> 01:44:52,900
And is isolated from the chlorinated water. Don't worry. Just chill

1085
01:44:53,700 --> 01:44:58,420
That's pretty sick. And then all of the other heat in the room will be dealt with by the water door

1086
01:44:59,620 --> 01:45:04,020
Did you intentionally do that one? I don't know. Oh, just chill. You're well. Yeah

1087
01:45:04,900 --> 01:45:08,100
Yeah, only a little though. I was just going to ignore it and keep moving

1088
01:45:09,940 --> 01:45:12,900
It's kind of like how you'll you'll hear me anytime. I'm working with a case

1089
01:45:12,980 --> 01:45:16,820
You'll say whatever I'll say whatever the case may be or in this case. I like go out of my way to do it

1090
01:45:16,820 --> 01:45:18,820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not talking about a case right now, Dan

1091
01:45:23,540 --> 01:45:26,180
So, yeah, I am that's sick like

1092
01:45:26,980 --> 01:45:30,260
I didn't actually realize that's what it was for. There's also that's cool

1093
01:45:30,260 --> 01:45:35,140
You know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna spoil this one and you guys are gonna be so disappointed if now it doesn't work out

1094
01:45:35,540 --> 01:45:40,580
I'm gonna spoil this part But because we're gonna be working with like HVAC stuff

1095
01:45:41,540 --> 01:45:47,940
This could be if it aligns if it aligns with him traveling to the Vancouver area

1096
01:45:48,500 --> 01:45:54,820
Could be an opportunity for us to hang out with Brian the electrician again. Oh cool, which would be pretty cool. That'd be pretty cool

1097
01:45:54,820 --> 01:46:04,100
Yeah, um, we haven't collabed in a long time But I I would be he's got all the certifications that he would need to help us charge these systems and you know

1098
01:46:04,660 --> 01:46:06,740
Just be there make sure that even though

1099
01:46:07,700 --> 01:46:11,380
The our collaborator has experience working with these stuff. He's not technically certified

1100
01:46:11,460 --> 01:46:17,060
So Brian would be there to make sure that everything's on the up and up and we're capturing all the gases correctly

1101
01:46:17,140 --> 01:46:22,260
And he can also get access to some of the more exotic gases that we might need if we were to take things to another

1102
01:46:22,580 --> 01:46:24,580
level potentially in the future

1103
01:46:25,860 --> 01:46:28,500
Is he still an electrician? No, but I mean

1104
01:46:30,260 --> 01:46:32,420
Do I still give tech tips debatable?

1105
01:46:33,300 --> 01:46:36,580
And sometimes sometimes a nickname just sticks, you know

1106
01:46:37,300 --> 01:46:40,500
You did earlier. You helped me with my function key problem

1107
01:46:41,140 --> 01:46:45,540
That's true. I did do that. You gave me a tech tip. That was a tech tip. Yep. You're welcome. Thank you

1108
01:46:46,180 --> 01:46:53,700
Uh, what else are we supposed to be doing down? Was that a merge message? Yeah, let's just work on this. I don't even know what the question was. It doesn't matter

1109
01:46:54,100 --> 01:46:58,660
Uh, you're uh, why didn't you put a heat pump in your pool? Yeah, I'm okay. No, it's fine

1110
01:46:59,460 --> 01:47:03,700
It's okay. It is all good Do you want to talk about some AI news?

1111
01:47:03,700 --> 01:47:08,180
Do I? I don't know. Researchers from the University of Zurich are facing

1112
01:47:08,740 --> 01:47:15,780
Uh possible legal action due to running an improper and highly unethical experiment as one of reddit's lawyers

1113
01:47:15,940 --> 01:47:22,420
Ben Lee has described it The researchers deployed AI chatbots to a popular. Oh, this is crazy

1114
01:47:23,060 --> 01:47:27,620
Sorry to a popular debate subreddit called r slash change my view

1115
01:47:28,020 --> 01:47:33,700
Which is primarily a place where users post their hot takes or opinions and have an open conversation in the comments

1116
01:47:34,420 --> 01:47:38,900
The bots made more than a thousand comments over several months pretending to be real people

1117
01:47:39,620 --> 01:47:50,180
In order to debate in these discussions With kind of the idea behind it being to find out if an AI is effective at changing a real human user's mind

1118
01:47:50,740 --> 01:48:00,100
However, where things get a little sketchy Is that these AI chatbots were diving into sensitive topics such as racial issues

1119
01:48:00,660 --> 01:48:04,980
domestic violence and more um

1120
01:48:04,980 --> 01:48:09,460
With some bots even going into the op's account

1121
01:48:10,020 --> 01:48:13,940
And trying to determine they were they were explicitly instructed to determine

1122
01:48:14,500 --> 01:48:21,460
Who it was that they were trying to debate so they could make a more tailored comment in order to debate them more

1123
01:48:21,620 --> 01:48:25,060
convincingly So they were they were oh man, dude

1124
01:48:25,060 --> 01:48:31,860
It's not in our notes But they were they were asked to like go through and try to profile them try to figure out their age

1125
01:48:32,420 --> 01:48:41,700
race Area where they lived What their interests were and then and then told to crap out an argument that would try to change their mind

1126
01:48:42,020 --> 01:48:46,740
Um, this is a note from Elijah. He says reading this part actually scared the out of me. Yeah

1127
01:48:47,460 --> 01:48:53,540
Reddit was not made aware of this experiment Which is the reason that it is considering a lawsuit

1128
01:48:55,220 --> 01:48:57,220
Any thoughts

1129
01:48:59,460 --> 01:49:06,660
Yeah, uh This is an interesting one for every oh no, go ahead. There's there's been a lot of stuff about

1130
01:49:07,140 --> 01:49:09,860
AI manipulation going around lately. This was a big part

1131
01:49:10,260 --> 01:49:13,460
um Another big one and I noticed this too

1132
01:49:14,340 --> 01:49:18,500
But didn't really fully put it together until I saw other people start talking about it

1133
01:49:18,900 --> 01:49:21,620
But uh, a lot of different AI chat bots

1134
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:26,820
In in my example and most of the examples that I saw because I think it's probably most commonly used chat tbt

1135
01:49:26,820 --> 01:49:30,100
But other ones as well have started just like really

1136
01:49:30,900 --> 01:49:34,500
um gassing up

1137
01:49:34,500 --> 01:49:41,620
The the the human in the interaction Like no matter what you do, they're like, oh, you're so amazing. That was such a smart thing to say

1138
01:49:41,940 --> 01:49:44,500
I was asking it questions about the canadian election

1139
01:49:45,140 --> 01:49:51,780
Trying to get ideas of The policies of different people and stuff like that and every single time I would ask it a question

1140
01:49:51,780 --> 01:49:56,340
It would be like that was a good no very good question to ask and I was like

1141
01:49:58,020 --> 01:50:01,860
This was a really basic question like and somewhere in a data center, you know

1142
01:50:03,460 --> 01:50:10,500
Carbon is being Emitted in order to produce those words. Yeah, I mean maybe it was a really good question to ask

1143
01:50:10,580 --> 01:50:15,860
I mean maybe it's better than asking those questions after the election like we saw spikes in interest after the

1144
01:50:16,580 --> 01:50:21,700
November elections in the states. Yeah, it's rough. Uh, but yeah, apparently this was like just vote for again

1145
01:50:22,500 --> 01:50:27,460
Apparently this is totally a thing Recently they started

1146
01:50:27,540 --> 01:50:35,460
really really really like Just being crazy positive and just pumping people up super hard and a lot of it's because

1147
01:50:36,020 --> 01:50:45,460
people like that Uh, so that's going on and apparently it's going to be dialed back because it's a little bit too obvious. It's too much

1148
01:50:45,940 --> 01:50:48,660
Um, but I suspect it's still going to happen at least a little bit

1149
01:50:49,060 --> 01:50:52,260
Um, and people are starting to realize that when

1150
01:50:53,220 --> 01:50:58,820
You are talking to these chatbots. They are actively looking at your entire history of conversations all the time

1151
01:51:00,180 --> 01:51:06,180
So that's I didn't actually necessarily realize that a new chat is fully isolated. It's not

1152
01:51:07,140 --> 01:51:12,340
Um, they they will like like you can ask it things about yourself like I will ask

1153
01:51:12,980 --> 01:51:18,020
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on though. Is this like is this like identifier a cookie based because like I don't even have

1154
01:51:18,660 --> 01:51:25,460
an account So if I just like go use it then theoretically I don't know about that mine. Mine is within my account for sure, right?

1155
01:51:25,460 --> 01:51:28,500
Okay, okay carry on. Sorry like I can ask it something about like

1156
01:51:29,220 --> 01:51:33,940
um Like does this seem like a good fit for me?

1157
01:51:34,660 --> 01:51:40,180
And I can ask it that with no context other than that. I cannot define myself

1158
01:51:41,300 --> 01:51:45,540
And it'll be like yeah, because blah blah blah blah and it'll bring up things about the lab

1159
01:51:45,540 --> 01:51:49,300
It'll bring up things about Floatplane. It'll name Floatplane just out of nowhere

1160
01:51:50,180 --> 01:51:55,060
Sometimes I like I'll ask it about some technology thing. It'll be like this could be good for Floatplane

1161
01:51:55,780 --> 01:52:02,340
And like I haven't talked about Floatplane in Maybe a couple weeks, but it still recognizes that because I've talked about Floatplane before

1162
01:52:02,820 --> 01:52:10,340
It happened to me a few days ago and Scared me because I had completely forgot this was a thing and I was asking it some innocuous question

1163
01:52:10,420 --> 01:52:14,980
It's like this thing that's related to extremely specific things that you asked another time and it was uh

1164
01:52:15,700 --> 01:52:17,860
destabilizing I'll put it that way. I'm the security risk then

1165
01:52:19,940 --> 01:52:24,500
Maybe I shouldn't be posting a whole bar data into it. Yeah, maybe you guys shouldn't be chatting with ai so much

1166
01:52:24,500 --> 01:52:31,140
I got to confess I feel like this is that much really. I feel like this is somewhere that I'm kind of falling behind a little bit because I don't

1167
01:52:32,180 --> 01:52:40,180
Use I honestly use it most often for experiments like somebody told me recently that uh, oh, they're hallucinating like way less now because

1168
01:52:40,420 --> 01:52:43,780
I was making this argument that uh

1169
01:52:43,780 --> 01:52:50,500
We will all become dumber for using it and I think my biggest example of that has been people calling on

1170
01:52:51,460 --> 01:52:54,020
Chatbots on twitter x or whatever

1171
01:52:55,300 --> 01:53:01,620
The like at grok is this real thing? Yeah, and then just always taking the answer of that at face value

1172
01:53:01,860 --> 01:53:05,940
Yeah, I saw I saw I saw a really interesting one that was someone asked grok

1173
01:53:06,420 --> 01:53:12,660
If it's true what the current us administration said about increases in military recruitment and grok's like yep

1174
01:53:13,060 --> 01:53:21,540
And they're like hey grok Isn't it true though that any increases in recruitment now are a result of joe biden's policies and grok's like yep

1175
01:53:22,980 --> 01:53:26,980
Right, but doesn't that seem like important context that you kind of left out grok?

1176
01:53:29,620 --> 01:53:34,020
But but that's the thing and I'm not even problem with like I'm not even saying that grok is somehow

1177
01:53:34,180 --> 01:53:37,300
You know politically leaning one way or the other sure

1178
01:53:37,460 --> 01:53:43,620
I'm just saying that that's clearly a flaw in any kind of ai system because if there's no way that it's going to be able to

1179
01:53:43,620 --> 01:53:49,700
Provide all of the relevant context because if it was then it would just crap out a link to wikipedia every single time

1180
01:53:49,700 --> 01:53:54,980
You asked it anything I don't know if it tells you when it makes them night author. I don't fully believe that but sure

1181
01:53:55,140 --> 01:53:58,260
It says that's a specific feature called memories and it tells you when it makes them

1182
01:53:58,340 --> 01:54:03,060
And I it's quite literally never told me that it's made a single one. So I'm not so sure about that

1183
01:54:04,020 --> 01:54:08,100
Um, maybe it's just not very obvious. I don't know but either way. I'm not

1184
01:54:08,820 --> 01:54:16,820
necessarily trying to turn it off either But it's it's just interesting. So I I ran a thing where I tried to do at least one query a day

1185
01:54:17,700 --> 01:54:21,460
And I would fairly intensely fact check it every time

1186
01:54:22,020 --> 01:54:27,460
To try to see like how often is it more or less hallucinating and it's still really often

1187
01:54:28,020 --> 01:54:31,300
Yeah, this is if people just take it fully at face value. It's so crazy

1188
01:54:31,380 --> 01:54:36,900
Nipple-less cage in Floatplane chat says I asked grok something about Elon musk and it said that's because he was the founder of tesla

1189
01:54:36,980 --> 01:54:41,940
And when I corrected grok it was like, oh, yeah Yeah, but that happens like all the time like

1190
01:54:42,580 --> 01:54:46,020
People are really only correcting it on the things that they automatically detect is wrong

1191
01:54:46,260 --> 01:54:53,060
But it's wrong a lot more often than you probably think Yvonne and I have been car shopping recently and like like I said, I I don't know

1192
01:54:53,380 --> 01:55:01,060
It doesn't mean it's not helpful to be clear I feel like I'm falling behind the times in in a sense because it would it would never occur to me to just

1193
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She to she typed up a profile of herself and was like, what car would you recommend?

1194
01:55:06,420 --> 01:55:12,420
You know a cool car for cool moms Uh, kind of here's what I do with it. Here's how many kids I have. Here's what I'm driving right now

1195
01:55:12,420 --> 01:55:15,300
Here's what I like about it. Here's what I don't like about it. She like kind of gave it a whole thing

1196
01:55:15,860 --> 01:55:22,980
And to its credit It crapped out basically the same cars that I had painstakingly narrowed our search down to

1197
01:55:25,380 --> 01:55:28,340
But it also got a bunch of little things wrong about them

1198
01:55:29,220 --> 01:55:35,700
Yeah, and because I had done all of that research very recently you actually knew I knew but it looks

1199
01:55:36,020 --> 01:55:40,340
Really legit. It's really convincing. So if you didn't already know you might not have questioned it

1200
01:55:40,500 --> 01:55:43,620
And I think that's happening like way too much. Anyways, sorry, but

1201
01:55:44,340 --> 01:55:46,660
Where did we start here? We're talking about the

1202
01:55:47,620 --> 01:55:49,940
Trying to debate people on reddit. Um

1203
01:55:51,220 --> 01:55:57,940
They're they're getting in trouble for this or whatever The the next line on here that you had to read was reddit was not made aware of this experiment

1204
01:55:57,940 --> 01:56:02,340
Which is the reason uh, it is leading to a possible lawsuit. I think I did read that but it's okay

1205
01:56:02,580 --> 01:56:07,060
I'm really happy this experiment happened. Really? I think people need to know this

1206
01:56:07,300 --> 01:56:11,940
Well, I mean for me the the main thing that I took away from this is

1207
01:56:12,580 --> 01:56:15,380
This is the experiment we know about. Yeah

1208
01:56:16,260 --> 01:56:22,420
It's there are not experiments that are running that are this and I guarantee you well constantly

1209
01:56:22,500 --> 01:56:25,940
I mean, isn't that the entire twitter platform now as far as I can tell I

1210
01:56:26,020 --> 01:56:31,700
I cannot tell the difference between the people in bots anymore But yeah, this used to happen because it was paid people

1211
01:56:33,060 --> 01:56:35,940
There used to be bots that were much more obvious now. It's

1212
01:56:36,740 --> 01:56:40,100
Automated and it's a lot less obvious and like it's

1213
01:56:41,940 --> 01:56:45,940
We there has been an inflection point on the internet and uh,

1214
01:56:46,500 --> 01:56:49,940
Everything has changed and you need to be aware of that check this out

1215
01:56:50,020 --> 01:56:54,100
Freelancer system in Floatplane chat says we had a recent situation at my workplace

1216
01:56:54,500 --> 01:56:59,220
Where people were petitioning to remove the labor union because gem and I

1217
01:56:59,780 --> 01:57:06,020
Gave an answer to the question Can a business owner speak on wages while a petition is in process and said yes

1218
01:57:06,740 --> 01:57:10,580
And it was completely wrong and then it cited links that weren't actually relevant to the answer

1219
01:57:13,700 --> 01:57:18,820
Yeah, like this is this is a problem this is a problem the biggest problem with ai right now is people

1220
01:57:22,260 --> 01:57:28,100
But like actually people are just taking the output we've a lot of people have been screaming for so long

1221
01:57:28,340 --> 01:57:31,060
That you can't just take the output and automatically believe it

1222
01:57:32,180 --> 01:57:37,940
But people just do it because it's the path of least resistance. It's easy the answer is right there, right?

1223
01:57:37,940 --> 01:57:42,580
I'll just take it. It's fine. I'll submit it. I'll use this. It's okay. No, it's not

1224
01:57:44,900 --> 01:57:47,700
It's wrong all the time it lies all the time

1225
01:57:49,700 --> 01:57:55,540
Oh man when I was asking it it gets really blatant stuff wrong too when I was asking it about

1226
01:57:55,940 --> 01:58:03,860
Like carney and polyev and all that kind of stuff Um, it got a bunch of things wrong like it it said that carney wasn't the prime minister at the time

1227
01:58:04,100 --> 01:58:09,700
And I was like, um, he definitely was he actually is and it was like oops my bad keeping on going on

1228
01:58:09,780 --> 01:58:12,260
And I was like that's a pretty major mistake

1229
01:58:13,380 --> 01:58:16,980
Like there's a lot of little ones, but that one's like huge

1230
01:58:17,300 --> 01:58:23,140
Well probably got confused because he didn't have a zero He didn't have a zero in his name. So it thought he wasn't rural or something

1231
01:58:23,540 --> 01:58:26,100
Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. I thought it was a zip code instead of

1232
01:58:29,700 --> 01:58:37,620
I just man, I don't know. Um But yeah, this this experiment super interesting. Oh nice. Good job. Uh, this experiment is super interesting. Um

1233
01:58:38,420 --> 01:58:44,100
In other news several months ago. There was a lawsuit opened against character technologies ink after oh, we've

1234
01:58:44,260 --> 01:58:50,420
I think we've talked about this like four times. Yes, but uh, this is an update though. Oh, um after a 14 year old

1235
01:58:50,420 --> 01:58:54,980
took his own life after this teen had several conversations with fictional characters

1236
01:58:55,460 --> 01:59:05,380
Several of which convinced him to take his life Now character technologies is making the claim that chatbots outputs should be consp- should be considered pure speech

1237
01:59:05,940 --> 01:59:10,020
Essentially protecting them under the first amendment or the right to free speech

1238
01:59:10,740 --> 01:59:18,980
as free speech Uh, this is still an ongoing case and there has been more discussion about what would be classified as free speech versus

1239
01:59:19,060 --> 01:59:23,220
What would be responsible versus who would be responsible for this if it's not?

1240
01:59:23,940 --> 01:59:28,020
Yeah, so I dude liability around

1241
01:59:29,780 --> 01:59:36,820
Artificial intelligences is something that it kind of surprises me that we have not even kind of

1242
01:59:37,540 --> 01:59:41,060
begun to figure out like when you consider how long

1243
01:59:41,940 --> 01:59:48,900
Self-driving and also actually self-driving cars have been cruising around on the roads without users touching

1244
01:59:48,980 --> 01:59:53,700
The steering wheel. I mean in the case of the like the self-driving ones like your teslas

1245
01:59:54,260 --> 01:59:58,420
theoretically It tells the user like hey, you're responsible. You're liable, right?

1246
01:59:58,980 --> 02:00:03,780
But in the case of you know Waymo for instance, like they're you know, there isn't a driver. It's like

1247
02:00:07,300 --> 02:00:09,780
Who is liable for what?

1248
02:00:10,580 --> 02:00:17,540
a machine learning AI Does and you could say okay. No, this is like really black and white. It's the

1249
02:00:18,420 --> 02:00:24,660
It's the company that made it But in this case clearly they're making the argument that they're not

1250
02:00:26,020 --> 02:00:32,340
right Yeah And you would think that for how long we've had, you know, like

1251
02:00:33,780 --> 02:00:38,020
multi-thousand kilogram things flying around on streets

1252
02:00:38,660 --> 02:00:43,700
Um, where this question seems pretty relevant. You would think for how long that's been happening

1253
02:00:44,260 --> 02:00:49,140
This would have been something that we would have figured out by now

1254
02:00:49,940 --> 02:00:53,700
But it seems like we are still in the very infancy

1255
02:00:55,060 --> 02:00:58,820
of even starting to approach thinking about

1256
02:00:59,540 --> 02:01:02,100
figuring out liability around this stuff and

1257
02:01:04,100 --> 02:01:09,620
I don't know as a as a as an open ai shareholder, you know, I'm not but if I was

1258
02:01:09,620 --> 02:01:13,380
I was gonna say like as an open ai shareholder, I'd be terrified right now

1259
02:01:14,180 --> 02:01:21,220
Because I have no idea what I'm potentially going to be liable for and I have no idea what the volume of mistakes

1260
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Is going to be before some kind of accountability comes calling

1261
02:01:28,900 --> 02:01:32,020
Like I have we have no idea it feels similar to the like

1262
02:01:32,660 --> 02:01:38,740
A company commits a crime Uh is by the law considered as a person but does not go to jail

1263
02:01:39,220 --> 02:01:44,020
Thing it feels like there's going to be one of those like effectively a loophole that really plagues society

1264
02:01:44,340 --> 02:01:48,820
I feel like this is going to be one of those types of problems Yeah, but what's that from by the way?

1265
02:01:48,820 --> 02:01:53,620
IBM service manual 1979

1266
02:01:55,620 --> 02:01:58,340
I like it. I've this is this gets put around a lot

1267
02:01:59,460 --> 02:02:05,140
And has been for years, but now that ai is such a big thing right now. This has been pushed around quite a bit

1268
02:02:06,020 --> 02:02:15,620
Um And yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty good like you the what made me actually think about this was you bringing up that uh

1269
02:02:16,420 --> 02:02:22,020
They almost did they what they almost busted a union or something because of whatever because of a

1270
02:02:22,660 --> 02:02:30,260
Outfit in Gemini said Gemini said and this is this is I think this ties into that problem is like you can't make

1271
02:02:31,140 --> 02:02:34,180
Like really serious important decisions

1272
02:02:34,660 --> 02:02:40,900
Like I was looking up stuff politics stuff, right? I also had other friends and family members that were looking at politics stuff

1273
02:02:41,700 --> 02:02:50,100
Using ai chat bots and I was just constantly freaking out basically being like it. It's a good shortcut research tool. Please

1274
02:02:50,820 --> 02:02:55,540
God look up everything you're finding in here and make sure it's actually real because like

1275
02:02:56,260 --> 02:02:59,300
Wow, there's so many falsehoods being pushed forward

1276
02:02:59,380 --> 02:03:02,020
Yeah, my uh, one of my kids came home from school

1277
02:03:02,820 --> 02:03:05,540
Where they did kind of like uh, they did kind of like a mock election

1278
02:03:06,020 --> 02:03:11,460
And I'm go, I go, okay. Well, honey, which party did you vote for and she goes, oh, I voted for the conservatives

1279
02:03:11,540 --> 02:03:20,260
And I go, okay, why did you choose the conservative party? And she goes, oh well because they care the most about the environment and I'm like, okay, that's an interesting take

1280
02:03:21,300 --> 02:03:28,100
Um, I'd like to get a little more information on how this curriculum was devised because

1281
02:03:28,740 --> 02:03:31,780
um You know, I'm not gonna

1282
02:03:31,780 --> 02:03:36,740
I don't think I'm gonna get into it on the wandshow which party I did or didn't vote for and you know

1283
02:03:36,900 --> 02:03:44,420
Where my alignments are but what I can say with absolute certainty is that the conservative party is not the like

1284
02:03:45,060 --> 02:03:53,460
hippie-dippy You know, let's go green energy and and conserve the environment that it's not that kind of conservation

1285
02:03:54,020 --> 02:03:57,540
let's let's just put it that way and um

1286
02:03:57,540 --> 02:04:05,780
I'm just When it's so easy to go and look at their platform where they basically say drill baby drill

1287
02:04:06,420 --> 02:04:12,740
um I'm just I'm really confused where this kind of misinformation comes from

1288
02:04:16,260 --> 02:04:20,740
I don't know. I don't even know like I

1289
02:04:25,140 --> 02:04:29,780
Wonder if it's comparing to other parties in other countries

1290
02:04:34,260 --> 02:04:42,180
Even then I don't I I think they've basically opposed every meaningful environmental measure like in my adult memory

1291
02:04:42,820 --> 02:04:47,380
like I don't really But like canadian conservatives are more

1292
02:04:47,860 --> 02:04:53,860
Oh, I mean, yeah, canadian conservative party is basically like left-wing hippies in our neighbors to the south like it's

1293
02:04:53,860 --> 02:05:00,340
Yeah, that's what i'm saying. I less so these days actually. Yeah, like that was more that was probably more true 10 15 years ago. Yeah

1294
02:05:01,140 --> 02:05:06,900
Um, but so yeah, I'm not I'm not necessarily even sure but yeah, I mean when I was doing it it it

1295
02:05:08,820 --> 02:05:12,580
It had a lot of stuff that was wrong. It was it was interesting

1296
02:05:15,300 --> 02:05:20,260
I found it was most accurate at not specific things which

1297
02:05:20,980 --> 02:05:26,900
Might sound like almost a weird sentence, but if I asked it for like oh something like very high level like almost more abstract

1298
02:05:26,980 --> 02:05:33,460
Like here's my you know, you know me pretty well. Who do you think I should I would probably vote for I didn't ask at that

1299
02:05:33,540 --> 02:05:35,780
But I'm curious. Are you logged in on your phone?

1300
02:05:37,060 --> 02:05:41,460
I just don't you don't have to say you don't have to say what it says. I just want to know if it gets it right

1301
02:05:42,340 --> 02:05:48,260
Okay, I'm very curious I'm not going to say what it says, but I will say if it got it right or wrong. Sure

1302
02:05:49,220 --> 02:05:52,500
Okay, in the meantime, I have an interesting question for you

1303
02:05:53,380 --> 02:05:55,860
Let's imagine a post LMG world

1304
02:05:56,740 --> 02:06:02,340
You know we LMG still exists, but it's under new management or whatever we've both we've both moved on

1305
02:06:02,660 --> 02:06:04,660
Would we still do wancho?

1306
02:06:06,260 --> 02:06:12,420
Uh, yeah, okay Imagine this post LMG world. We just do wancho nothing else really matters

1307
02:06:13,060 --> 02:06:17,940
Let's assume that we're both in a position where unhinged show realistically

1308
02:06:19,220 --> 02:06:23,300
Realistically like it doesn't really matter how much people like us

1309
02:06:25,460 --> 02:06:27,700
Would you would you just like?

1310
02:06:29,940 --> 02:06:36,420
Both barrels just talk about stuff like this or would you just be like no, I still think I still what what is it like religion politics?

1311
02:06:36,420 --> 02:06:41,540
And what's the third one? Money is yeah, is it money religion in politics?

1312
02:06:41,540 --> 02:06:47,380
I think so the three things that you don't bring up in plate dinner conversation or whatever it is at least culturally here

1313
02:06:47,780 --> 02:06:54,340
Um, would you just say you know F*** it and just go for it or would you still kind of say hey, we should probably hold this line

1314
02:06:54,740 --> 02:06:57,460
I think I would go for it. You just you just go for it. Yeah

1315
02:06:57,940 --> 02:07:03,060
Interesting interesting because right now, but you don't know why not my actions on the show. Why are you such a pussy?

1316
02:07:04,180 --> 02:07:08,740
Oh man, I've got a fun one for that Which is going to make no sense right now, but it will later

1317
02:07:09,940 --> 02:07:14,660
Because I'm not my actions right now I have an impact not just on myself

1318
02:07:15,780 --> 02:07:21,300
And if we're isolated, it's just you and me my actions will effectively really only have impact on me and me

1319
02:07:21,380 --> 02:07:25,140
But you don't care about me or a guy who can wait. No, hold on wrong button

1320
02:07:26,020 --> 02:07:31,220
Yeah, but yeah, but on him on him though. There we go. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Uh, no, we're just gonna leave it there

1321
02:07:32,420 --> 02:07:35,460
I thought it was I thought it was on on hold. I didn't realize it was tall

1322
02:07:37,060 --> 02:07:41,380
Um, it's it's asking me questions. It's asking you questions. No

1323
02:07:42,660 --> 02:07:44,660
Tell me which one

1324
02:07:46,660 --> 02:07:53,380
Interesting I actually kind of like that it was evasive there because if it's just straight up telling people what to vote for that's kind of bad

1325
02:07:53,380 --> 02:07:55,380
That's honestly, that's pretty good

1326
02:07:57,060 --> 02:08:02,580
So, yeah Given your priorities, don't worry. Don't worry given your priorities

1327
02:08:03,780 --> 02:08:11,060
this party Would have been the most aligned choice in the 2025 canadian federal election. Hold on. I want to see

1328
02:08:12,660 --> 02:08:18,100
Wow that first Why Is like probably the first one I would pick for you

1329
02:08:18,500 --> 02:08:21,220
The second one is probably the second one I would pick for you

1330
02:08:21,620 --> 02:08:25,140
I would have had I would have had this as your number three priority though

1331
02:08:26,340 --> 02:08:30,020
And I would have said this is sort of overarching on the others and I would have said this is last

1332
02:08:30,740 --> 02:08:34,820
So, you know me better than chad gpt. Nice Nice

1333
02:08:34,820 --> 02:08:40,340
Because because yeah, I agree with that ranking it gave like reasons why it gave the choice like why

1334
02:08:40,740 --> 02:08:45,220
Luke would choose that and they're they're fairly well reasoned and they're almost

1335
02:08:45,860 --> 02:08:50,820
Almost in the order that Luke would care about they were one correct two correct

1336
02:08:51,220 --> 02:08:58,820
It had his third priority as number four And then it had as his third priority is something that I would have said is more secondary and is like a number five

1337
02:08:59,620 --> 02:09:02,580
That is actually kind of why this has been nailed

1338
02:09:02,900 --> 02:09:06,580
Chad gpt. I'm still I'm so a little evasive on but yeah line this has got me

1339
02:09:07,140 --> 02:09:14,500
Uh, that is crazy. Yes, it was correct guys. It it nailed it nailed his um, which is funny

1340
02:09:15,140 --> 02:09:23,940
Actually and very interesting to me because I was mostly pushing it to try to give me counter arguments against the thing that I wanted

1341
02:09:25,220 --> 02:09:29,140
I was trying to use it as an argument against the stance that I had

1342
02:09:29,540 --> 02:09:32,820
So I was pushing it the other way, but it's still new

1343
02:09:32,900 --> 02:09:37,300
Yeah, I noticed that took a handful of prompts like it didn't just spit out an answer for you

1344
02:09:38,500 --> 02:09:42,500
I like I often like try to fight it. So I wonder if it kind of knew that

1345
02:09:43,700 --> 02:09:50,020
Because it's profiled me at this point There's a there's a fun prompt I saw from a hacker dude. I follow on twitter

1346
02:09:50,340 --> 02:09:59,060
Um, which and I don't remember what it is because it's really long But you basically you get it to do like a role play where it's a cia agent and it's trying to profile you as a threat risk

1347
02:09:59,860 --> 02:10:03,140
So it goes through your chat history with it and it finds

1348
02:10:03,860 --> 02:10:08,900
things that could Indicate that you would be a threat to like the nation and how

1349
02:10:09,620 --> 02:10:12,420
It thinks that you should be dealt with in these scenarios

1350
02:10:13,220 --> 02:10:20,660
So you're like counter attacking yourself and seeing what things are like scary or what parts of you are more vulnerable or whatever else

1351
02:10:20,820 --> 02:10:25,220
It's an interesting prompt anyways

1352
02:10:25,460 --> 02:10:29,460
That that prompt that like cia prompt is what made me start diving into

1353
02:10:30,020 --> 02:10:34,020
um It retaining

1354
02:10:34,020 --> 02:10:37,060
Previous chats right because it clearly does. Yeah

1355
02:10:37,620 --> 02:10:43,060
Like yeah, because I my initial prompt was and you saw all that. Yeah, my initial prompt was

1356
02:10:44,260 --> 02:10:47,940
Uh, you know, I tried to take it almost exactly how you said it You know me pretty well

1357
02:10:47,940 --> 02:10:51,300
Who do you think I should have voted for in the canadian election and then it gave like

1358
02:10:51,860 --> 02:10:55,300
Here's all the reasons for this guy. Here's all the reasons for this guy. Blah blah blah blah blah blah

1359
02:10:55,380 --> 02:11:01,620
Yeah, um Here's reflecting on your vote. Yeah, just here's some here's some some things you should

1360
02:11:02,500 --> 02:11:07,940
Yeah, consider but it didn't give me an answer So I just said no tell me which one and then and then it totally did. Yeah

1361
02:11:08,660 --> 02:11:12,340
So it only took two prompts then. Yeah Wow

1362
02:11:12,340 --> 02:11:14,740
And the first prompt it it wasn't that it was wrong

1363
02:11:15,380 --> 02:11:20,740
It was that it didn't want to answer probably because it's supposed to not really answer for that type of question

1364
02:11:22,260 --> 02:11:26,180
So tell me this I mean, honestly, we are getting way off the tech rails now, but

1365
02:11:26,980 --> 02:11:31,940
This is an area where tech is affecting our lives a lot right now. I know it's a feature

1366
02:11:32,900 --> 02:11:41,780
Do you think that there is any possibility of moving past in our polarized world with tools like this with algorithms

1367
02:11:41,860 --> 02:11:48,820
Like we encounter on social media Do you think there is any way in this polarized world to get past a two-party system?

1368
02:11:49,380 --> 02:11:57,060
Because we've often talked about how And I think Americans talk a lot about the the detrimental impact of their

1369
02:11:57,700 --> 02:12:06,020
effective two-party system Because your choices are, you know, basically as as South Park so eloquently put it a giant douche and a turd sandwich, right?

1370
02:12:06,980 --> 02:12:16,500
And in Canada for a long time. We enjoyed a multi-party system like yes, some of those multi parties were particularly irrelevant

1371
02:12:17,220 --> 02:12:20,340
Like have the Greens ever won more than one seat federally?

1372
02:12:21,940 --> 02:12:25,540
Actually not sure if they have it's a it's been a very

1373
02:12:26,420 --> 02:12:35,300
Very small handful, but we actually had at a federal level three parties over my adult lifetime that had various degrees of relevance

1374
02:12:35,780 --> 02:12:41,380
Um, so you had your conservatives your NDP and your liberals, but in this most recent election

1375
02:12:42,260 --> 02:12:47,940
While the liberals only sort of won they won a minority government and the conservatives lost

1376
02:12:48,260 --> 02:12:54,900
They actually picked up a lot of seats and the NDP were almost wiped out to the point where their leader

1377
02:12:55,540 --> 02:13:01,140
Like don't in tears resigned as leader of the party. He didn't even win his own seat, which

1378
02:13:02,100 --> 02:13:11,460
is Again in my adult lifetime Pretty unheard of even for relatively smaller parties and happened twice in this election

1379
02:13:11,540 --> 02:13:16,260
Both the conservatives and the NDP had their party leader lose their seat

1380
02:13:16,740 --> 02:13:21,220
I also think this election was determined by a different country. That's fair

1381
02:13:22,500 --> 02:13:26,020
That's fair. What's the what's the joke? It's like pennsylvania didn't just

1382
02:13:26,420 --> 02:13:31,860
Determined the u.s election. They also determined the canadian election. Yeah, something like that pretty much. It's pretty funny

1383
02:13:32,500 --> 02:13:37,300
Oh Sponsors I guess we could do that

1384
02:13:37,620 --> 02:13:41,460
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Those are on the topic of thoram. Do you remember a couple years ago? We did an insert with a woman who's gonna propose to her

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Oh, yeah, that's right. I remember that we have a response. Oh really wait what two years later

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Which is amazing. That's awesome. That's incredible. That's cool. Super cool

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All right. Well, i'm glad i'm glad she was able to seal the deal. That's

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You know what? Ah, I love those little bits of uplifting news in a world where ais are monitoring our every move and

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You know big companies like apple just ignore

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You know judgments for four years and you know

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But hey, there's love There's love and that's all you need. I heard I heard it in a song once

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I yeah, someone I forget who did the song pretty good song. Yeah pretty small band

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Probably never heard of them insect insect band radio hit. Yeah, sure

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Slipknot Says dead anti social

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Oh by east. Oh man. I can I can the funny thing is somebody has probably done an ai

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Slipknot needles crossover. Don't

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It is so easy to pick out those of you who I love very much by the way in our audience who

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Do not have a sarcasm detector Um by east one goes the Beatles

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Yes

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That's the joke Oh

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Oh man, that's great. Um

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Yes, that's the Beatles Love doesn't make me money says Elijah

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Okay, um Man, why why do I why do I even read don't engage don't engage. What else we got? Oh my god

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Is it when after dark we can't do when after dark we have to do things get blurry on youtube

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YouTube is testing a feature for a small percentage of users where they blur

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Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait before we go you asked me a question Which was do you think we can ever get past two parties? Uh and somebody in chat reminded me of it

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No, while we have our current voting system while we have first passed the post

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It's always going to be two parties. Just how that works. That is honestly

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The thing that I'm still most angry with yes, you know about

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Total bull crap he promised he promised electoral reform and then was like

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Like there's lots of other stuff you can be mad at him about But that was a major campaign promise that I feel

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For me anyway, I feel was a big part of what won him the election. I think it was in his first term. Yeah

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We wanted electoral reform. It was a big part of the reason why I voted for we wanted a different voting system

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We don't want first pass the post anymore and there are flaws and basically all of them

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I get it But first pass the post is super flawed and like extra flawed. I think I know why he didn't do it

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Well, yeah, because they were the incumbent. It's never in the incumbent's best interest

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He like to vote for electoral reform because that's the system that got that election. He like definitely would have lost

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So he he bailed out which is which is so incredibly lame

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Because I think a big part of the reason why he got voted in was because people were like, oh, wow

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We can have a real system and then probably maybe, you know, not vote you back in

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Uh, and then he just didn't do it and now we're stuck

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It sucks It's rough. I hereby promise

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That my first official action as prime minister of canada

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Will be to fix our crappy first pass the post

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system Would you vote for me? Yeah

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Nice. That's two votes. I think that's incredibly important for myself, right? It feels like

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Let's assume I I don't actually think this but let's assume you would be horrible

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Oh, hold on hold on no, no, no, no, no, no, no people people couldn't understand what I was saying the canadiens couldn't understand

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I ask diva to bootman do declare I promise

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Yeah, they got even french. I finally stopped doing the irritating accent

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02:21:11,460 --> 02:21:18,420
Yeah, stop for a second. I'm speaking about a very important thing. Um, okay, sorry.

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I don't remember. Cool. Um, so yeah, I get two votes, two votes. Apparently, uh, William

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Osborne released a video on his second channel talking about the thing.

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Well, should, should, should we talk about it at all?

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I'm skimming through and, and checking the comments right now.

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And they're all pretty good. Yeah. They told me they were like thinking about

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releasing it. I didn't actually realize they were going to release it like almost immediately after I said, yeah, that's cool.

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Um, and the comments are pretty good. I have a feeling it was like put kind of at

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the end because there aren't a ton of comments about it.

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And the name of the video is I need to stop farming for a while.

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02:22:05,620 --> 02:22:10,020
Yeah. So he's, he's probably talking. Clearly testing the waters here, I think.

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02:22:10,020 --> 02:22:14,180
Uh, no, like I think he's, I don't think it's about just this. I think it's like

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about other stuff. I think it's about him not farming for a while. Like actually,

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because he, I just mean like, like he's obviously not just like leading with this news.

1483
02:22:23,140 --> 02:22:27,620
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think it's kind of cool. I think it's interesting.

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02:22:28,340 --> 02:22:34,420
All right. Well, I'll have to watch the comments later. Yeah. Good reference. Solid.

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02:22:34,420 --> 02:22:37,860
Do I talk about it or I just say this and then people go watch his video.

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02:22:39,300 --> 02:22:44,100
Why don't we start with just not telling people what's going on and just, uh, Dan can put links

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to his video. Guys, you put it in your watch later and make sure you watch it later. Nice.

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02:22:47,460 --> 02:22:53,940
Okay. Sweet. All right. Things get blurry at YouTube. YouTube is testing a feature for a

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small percentage of users where they will blur the thumbnail of a mature video.

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This will mainly be targeted at videos that frequently include sexual themes

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because, you know, in our typical North American sensibilities fashion, we don't care about violence.

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We care about boobies. YouTube explained in their community section in the YouTube help center that

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02:23:16,980 --> 02:23:22,500
the goal is to still provide users with relevant search results since these videos will still

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02:23:22,500 --> 02:23:26,900
abide by their community guidelines, uh, but to protect users from seeing content that is

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sensitive in nature. This might help like something awkward being on your screen when you're at work

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02:23:33,540 --> 02:23:39,780
or something like safer work situation, but do you think this is going to work the other way

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around? Because I have heard that when you spoiler tag something, it draws people to look at it.

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02:23:48,900 --> 02:23:53,460
So I wonder if blurring the thumbnail here, if people are going to notice that it's blurred

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02:23:53,460 --> 02:23:58,180
and then be drawn to it. That'd be an interesting experiment for us to do on the channel.

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Because it's, it's not the same at, oh my God. Like in the next week, just upload a video with

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02:24:02,500 --> 02:24:06,340
a blurry thumbnail. You blur yourself. Yeah. Interesting. Do like an A-B test. It's not the

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02:24:06,340 --> 02:24:11,540
same as a spoiler tag, I think. I don't think it would be quite as effective, but it might still,

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02:24:11,540 --> 02:24:20,340
like if people learn what it means. Yeah. Like, oh, naked liners. Oh, I don't think anyone needs that.

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02:24:20,340 --> 02:24:24,020
It's on William Osmond too. It's on his second channel. It's the most recent one on his second

1505
02:24:24,020 --> 02:24:31,220
channel. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like about this. It's just mentioned in there. Yeah. So there are

1506
02:24:31,220 --> 02:24:36,900
currently no more specifics on what fully triggers this blurring yet, but video titles, channel names,

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02:24:36,900 --> 02:24:40,900
and description will remain visible and unchanged even if the thumbnail is blurred.

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Users also have the ability to toggle this feature on and off if they so choose. Okay.

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Our discussion question is using the guidelines. What do you think would fall under these new

1510
02:24:53,060 --> 02:24:57,140
blurring guidelines? Since it seems that the guidelines are clear about what is and isn't

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02:24:57,140 --> 02:25:01,620
allowed. Really? I mean, I would like, I don't know, because I've seen some wild stuff on YouTube

1512
02:25:01,620 --> 02:25:07,460
in like music videos, for instance, that just like I could not imagine like any other, like

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basically pornography, like that I could just not imagine any normal user being able to upload

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and have it stay there. So I don't, I don't really, don't post a thumbnail or image on YouTube

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02:25:17,380 --> 02:25:22,260
if it shows. Pornographic imagery, sexual acts, the use of sex toys fetishes or other sexually

1516
02:25:22,260 --> 02:25:29,140
gratifying imagery, nudity, imagery that depicts. This is not specific at all. Unwanted sexualization.

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02:25:29,140 --> 02:25:34,260
I mean, it kind of is violent imagery that intends to shock or disgust. So okay, we do care about

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02:25:34,260 --> 02:25:39,700
violence. Graphic or disturbed imagery with player Gore, vulgar or lewd language, a thumbnail that

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02:25:39,700 --> 02:25:42,420
misleads viewers to think they're about to view something that's not in the video. That's actually

1520
02:25:43,140 --> 02:25:47,060
the last one might have more impact than almost anything else. That actually seems pretty solid,

1521
02:25:47,060 --> 02:25:53,700
but it's not specific when it, we saw this happen to Twitch. The second you put a line,

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02:25:54,980 --> 02:25:59,300
it then just becomes creatively avoiding that line. That's it.

1523
02:26:03,460 --> 02:26:08,020
Like, oh, is, I know one of the Twitch metas, I think was body paint. Like, is it nudity if

1524
02:26:08,020 --> 02:26:13,540
there's body paint? Like, they'll find it because it just says nudity, including generals.

1525
02:26:14,260 --> 02:26:18,660
Then people are going to be like, all right, how far can I push this line? Then it becomes a game.

1526
02:26:18,660 --> 02:26:26,420
Well, where are you? How, where was it? Sexually gratifying imagery, I think is meant to be the

1527
02:26:26,420 --> 02:26:32,420
catch-all. Oh man, sorry. Can I segue us off of this topic? Yeah, sure, I'm done with it.

1528
02:26:32,420 --> 02:26:39,540
Okay. Elijah said, nah, Twitch is flawless. And it made me think of another topic that we have

1529
02:26:39,540 --> 02:26:45,540
in the doc, which will make sense eventually, but will not make any sense at all for a while.

1530
02:26:46,580 --> 02:26:53,060
Giant bomb. Stick with me. No, no. PSU testing feedback and lttlabs.com been sharing. This

1531
02:26:53,060 --> 02:26:57,140
will make sense. I promise you this will make sense, but it's going to take a little bit

1532
02:26:57,140 --> 02:27:02,340
to get there. Okay. So I'll bring up the article. First off, there's an article. This part is

1533
02:27:02,340 --> 02:27:06,100
not related. Spoiler alert. But yeah, there's, there's some interesting stuff going on with

1534
02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:13,380
our power supplies. This is related to that email that we sent you where they're passing

1535
02:27:13,380 --> 02:27:19,380
under standard load. But when we go outside of standard load into an area that you should test,

1536
02:27:19,380 --> 02:27:23,860
because there's like protections for those types of things that power supplies are supposed to have,

1537
02:27:24,580 --> 02:27:28,260
they're failing in the protection phase. And we're wondering if we should

1538
02:27:28,260 --> 02:27:31,300
create a separation in category between ones that just

1539
02:27:32,260 --> 02:27:37,220
fail within standard usage and ones that fail within the protections phase. And we're thinking,

1540
02:27:37,220 --> 02:27:42,420
yes, but we're interested in your guys's feedback. So check out the article on the site,

1541
02:27:43,140 --> 02:27:48,740
read it, go to the LTT forum post and give us your feedback on the LTT forum post. Lucas is

1542
02:27:48,740 --> 02:27:55,860
keeping tabs on it. Cool. Sounds good. We're trying to do this thing where we like build in public

1543
02:27:55,860 --> 02:27:59,940
more. So we're trying to show our work. We're trying to show our line of thinking and let people

1544
02:27:59,940 --> 02:28:05,540
have input on what we're doing and how. So Lucas had this observation. I think it was a really

1545
02:28:05,540 --> 02:28:10,340
interesting observation. He came up with a potential solution for it. I think it was a good solution

1546
02:28:10,340 --> 02:28:19,940
for it, but we want your guys's feedback. So, so let us know. Moving on, we also have a new feature

1547
02:28:19,940 --> 02:28:23,300
that's working. And this is the one that I'm going to, I'm going to bring Elijah into this in a

1548
02:28:23,300 --> 02:28:27,940
second, but bin sharing. Bin sharing is now a thing on the store, on the,

1549
02:28:29,940 --> 02:28:35,460
I'm so used to talking about the store on Wansho on the lab. So you, there's a button

1550
02:28:36,020 --> 02:28:43,380
up to the right, up right hand corner. So share this bin or alternatively, wait, what the heck?

1551
02:28:44,020 --> 02:28:54,500
Is this a cached page? Well, I clicked your link. And I think I accidentally added one that was

1552
02:28:54,500 --> 02:28:59,620
already in it. Oh, so this is a, this is a curated, okay, that makes sense. I thought,

1553
02:28:59,620 --> 02:29:08,500
yep, I think I screwed up the demo. Nice. Okay. Okay. So let me, let me hit it from the top.

1554
02:29:08,980 --> 02:29:15,940
Uh, my laptop. Okay. So I'm going to grab two power supplies. We're going to grab this one.

1555
02:29:15,940 --> 02:29:20,020
And I'm going to grab this one. I'm going to go to my comparison bin. I'm going to view the detail

1556
02:29:20,020 --> 02:29:25,620
of comparison. My URL has now updated. So if you're old, like me, you can just copy this

1557
02:29:25,620 --> 02:29:32,180
and give it to someone and it will work. Nice. There was some amount of resistance to this,

1558
02:29:32,180 --> 02:29:36,660
because this isn't what their argument was, but I like to interpret their argument is like

1559
02:29:36,660 --> 02:29:44,420
you're old, no one's going to do this. And I was like, yeah, well, that's old meta. They're right. Yep. But I like it. Yep. So we just have both.

1560
02:29:44,420 --> 02:29:48,900
It is a universal resource locator. Yeah. If it doesn't universally locate a resource,

1561
02:29:48,900 --> 02:29:53,620
what is even the point of it? Yep. So we have both. So you can click the share the bin button.

1562
02:29:53,620 --> 02:29:56,980
And we might have some other options in here, like maybe at some point in time,

1563
02:29:57,780 --> 02:30:03,860
someone made a comment, we should probably do this where you can actually see the URL that's going to share before you click copy link, whatever, we'll probably figure that out.

1564
02:30:03,860 --> 02:30:06,900
But we might even have these so they can be shortened URLs or something.

1565
02:30:06,900 --> 02:30:10,100
I don't know. That's not really a huge priority right now. Maybe we'll figure it out at some

1566
02:30:10,100 --> 02:30:17,380
point. Right now you can share bins. That was the whole point. But there's also some stuff

1567
02:30:17,380 --> 02:30:24,820
where we had some bin ideas. So we had some, some things that could be pre curated. There was a

1568
02:30:24,820 --> 02:30:32,020
like mixed mouse and mixed keyboard example. So that's this one. So you can see there are

1569
02:30:32,020 --> 02:30:39,540
wait, no compare a mouse and a keyboard. My bad. Give me one second. No, but you can have a series

1570
02:30:39,540 --> 02:30:45,460
of things that are comparable one second. Cool. He's going to do the demo.

1571
02:30:46,260 --> 02:30:55,140
I will just like all demos. Sometimes they take a sec. Okay, mixed mouse and mixed keyboard and

1572
02:30:55,140 --> 02:31:05,700
still there. Mold on my chips now. Okay. Well, the, my point is that you can,

1573
02:31:05,700 --> 02:31:11,300
you can share comparison bins and theoretically if we were like making a video on something,

1574
02:31:11,300 --> 02:31:15,860
the writer of the video could prep a comparison bin and then link it under the video and you

1575
02:31:15,860 --> 02:31:19,940
could see all the items that were in the video. Yeah. So there could be a, see the items from

1576
02:31:19,940 --> 02:31:24,180
this video link. You could compare them all and see them all there for, for more detail or

1577
02:31:24,180 --> 02:31:28,980
whatever else. That's cool. There was a challenge that we had of what is the best bin that you

1578
02:31:28,980 --> 02:31:35,460
can create be useful or less useful like the ones above and the reason why I'm pulling Elijah into

1579
02:31:35,460 --> 02:31:42,580
this after this really, really, really long bit of expose is the, I was like, yeah, I don't know

1580
02:31:42,580 --> 02:31:48,740
like how interesting that'll be. And they're like, well, someone could do like a waifu comparison

1581
02:31:48,820 --> 02:31:55,780
collection to help Elijah. Okay. I see an example of one of the kind of useless bins

1582
02:31:57,060 --> 02:32:05,300
model names that are greater than 50% numbers is that it was the incredible. Oh, this is comedic

1583
02:32:05,300 --> 02:32:11,380
gold. Okay. Where did you even see that? I clicked the mixed keyboard mouse and PSU example. I

1584
02:32:11,380 --> 02:32:15,780
think our hyperlinks got a little bit confused. I think they did because I got a little lost.

1585
02:32:15,860 --> 02:32:19,060
This is a top 10 website immediately. Good job, guys.

1586
02:32:24,820 --> 02:32:29,700
Anyway. All right. What else are we supposed to be doing today?

1587
02:32:30,980 --> 02:32:36,180
Something, I think. Finish off your topics. Oh, yeah, we could do that. Hold on. I'm trying to

1588
02:32:36,180 --> 02:32:42,580
figure it out. Okay. Yeah. I see this. Yeah. The, the, the doc on this was, was a little weird,

1589
02:32:42,580 --> 02:32:50,260
but one of them is the, the only acceptable list of peripherals. And there's like an Apple Magic

1590
02:32:50,260 --> 02:32:58,340
keyboard. Oh boy. I love this. You're going to do a great service for the internet website.

1591
02:32:58,340 --> 02:33:06,740
So yeah, you can, you gotta, this is like the Spotify playlists. You know, I'm assuming whoever

1592
02:33:06,740 --> 02:33:11,940
on the team made this has a MS Master 3S and an Apple Magic keyboard. But yeah, you can,

1593
02:33:11,940 --> 02:33:16,660
you can name your bins. Yeah. So like if you, if you come up with a collection of products you

1594
02:33:16,660 --> 02:33:22,020
want to throw in here to compare, you can then name the bin, copy the link, share it to other people.

1595
02:33:22,020 --> 02:33:28,260
Obviously the bin naming thing isn't going to work if you just copy the URL, but, but you can,

1596
02:33:28,260 --> 02:33:33,780
you can make some funny stuff. So if you wanted to make a waifu collection of components that

1597
02:33:33,780 --> 02:33:40,260
the lab has tested and link it at Elijah on his social media, that would be funny.

1598
02:33:40,660 --> 02:33:50,420
NASA marketing says the US administration. The White House released a skinny version of its

1599
02:33:50,420 --> 02:33:55,700
budget proposal for 2026 today, including all federal agencies. This budget proposes cutting

1600
02:33:55,700 --> 02:34:05,700
NASA's funding by 25% from 25 billion to 18.8 billion. Some major legacy programs on the

1601
02:34:06,660 --> 02:34:14,020
chopping block include SLS, Orion and the Lunar Gateway, which are set to be phased out after

1602
02:34:14,020 --> 02:34:21,300
Artemis 3. The budget sites SLS is $4 billion per launch cost and 140% budget overrun as reasons

1603
02:34:21,300 --> 02:34:27,700
to move to cheaper commercial systems. The Mars sample return mission also cancelled.

1604
02:34:28,420 --> 02:34:33,780
The ISS is also getting dialed back with fewer crew, fewer flights and reduced research capacity.

1605
02:34:33,860 --> 02:34:37,780
Instead, the US administration wants to focus on human space exploration

1606
02:34:37,780 --> 02:34:43,860
and beat China to the moon and Mars. They're allocating over $7 billion for lunar and $1

1607
02:34:43,860 --> 02:34:47,860
billion for Mars efforts, a chunk of which will likely be given to SpaceX according to

1608
02:34:47,860 --> 02:34:56,820
Ars Technica Senior Space Editor Eric Berger.

1609
02:35:18,820 --> 02:35:26,260
Not really. A bit of a NASA fanboy here. He just watched his team take a massive L.

1610
02:35:26,260 --> 02:35:32,980
By the way, people are freaking out about this on those teams. A 25% cut means

1611
02:35:32,980 --> 02:35:38,100
a lot of people are losing jobs. I don't know the legitimacy of this.

1612
02:35:38,100 --> 02:35:41,460
But you can do better science with three quarters as many people, right?

1613
02:35:42,180 --> 02:35:47,220
Yeah, I mean, that's a big part of that. I don't know if that was in here, but a lot of that funding

1614
02:35:47,220 --> 02:35:55,620
reduction was just science. If you look at a lot of American innovation over the years,

1615
02:35:55,620 --> 02:36:07,540
NASA has driven a lot of it. Actually, quite a bit. Cordless drills, NASA. There's tons of

1616
02:36:07,540 --> 02:36:11,060
stuff that you wouldn't really think about. Cordless power tools in general, as far as my

1617
02:36:11,060 --> 02:36:20,820
understanding goes. They're massively reducing their science budget, both space and not.

1618
02:36:21,380 --> 02:36:26,100
Velcro, memory foam, people are just listening to this stuff. Yeah, this is a big deal for

1619
02:36:26,100 --> 02:36:31,540
innovation in the States. Well, in the world, really. I use cordless tools, too. I don't live in

1620
02:36:31,540 --> 02:36:38,260
America. Yeah, it's rough. It's not just like a lot of the writing when you look at like,

1621
02:36:38,260 --> 02:36:42,180
oh, why are they doing this? SLS being really expensive, which like, yeah, I mean,

1622
02:36:42,180 --> 02:36:47,220
it's way over budget and it's really expensive. Okay, I'm not really going to try to fight that

1623
02:36:47,220 --> 02:36:53,860
too much. I do have some concerns about moving all of your ability to get to space into commercial

1624
02:36:53,860 --> 02:36:59,940
hands. I don't know how cool that is. Well, they always prioritize safety over everything else.

1625
02:37:02,900 --> 02:37:06,420
It's, it makes me a little uncomfortable. I don't know if that's the right move,

1626
02:37:06,420 --> 02:37:09,780
but it is, yeah, it is way over budget, all that kind of stuff. But like,

1627
02:37:09,780 --> 02:37:14,340
canceling the Mars sample return mission and be like, oh, humans will just do it. Like, wow,

1628
02:37:14,340 --> 02:37:18,900
that's really bold. You need to use your name says that's just stuff that would have been

1629
02:37:18,900 --> 02:37:23,620
invented by others anyway. But it's like, by that, by that logic, why invent anything ever?

1630
02:37:23,620 --> 02:37:27,860
Because someone's going to invent it at some point. Someone else will do it. Why don't we just wait?

1631
02:37:27,860 --> 02:37:35,780
Yeah. Do you need your computer? Like, it doesn't matter if someone invented it, you know, decades

1632
02:37:35,780 --> 02:37:41,860
ago, you could just waited for someone else to do it. By the way, NASA advancements have helped

1633
02:37:41,860 --> 02:37:48,580
computer stuff a lot. Anyways, yeah, it's just, I think the, the impacts of this are a lot more

1634
02:37:48,580 --> 02:37:54,100
wide reaching than people immediately realize. Well, that's because, I mean, we've talked about

1635
02:37:54,100 --> 02:38:00,740
this on the show before, regardless of the political leanings. There is a serious problem

1636
02:38:00,820 --> 02:38:09,060
with short administration terms incentivizing extremely short term actions and short term

1637
02:38:09,060 --> 02:38:16,660
thinking. And it's, it's, it's, it's a real problem because a lot of the time, what is done is not

1638
02:38:16,660 --> 02:38:23,380
really felt by the general consumer until much, much, much later. And when you, when you go at

1639
02:38:23,380 --> 02:38:33,060
sort of, you know, scientific cradles of innovation like NASA, you might not feel it for never mind

1640
02:38:33,060 --> 02:38:37,300
like four years or eight years, right? Which would be your, your one or two term presidency, right?

1641
02:38:37,300 --> 02:38:45,700
You might not feel that for 25 years, like trying to think off the top of my head of like an older

1642
02:38:45,700 --> 02:38:49,460
NASA innovation that there was, man, there was something that was in the news recently that

1643
02:38:49,460 --> 02:38:54,580
was like, yeah, they were, they were looking at this. It was, I don't know if it was NASA, if it

1644
02:38:54,580 --> 02:38:59,460
was one of the other big like national Labs, but they were looking at this like, like years and

1645
02:38:59,460 --> 02:39:04,100
years and years ago, decades ago. And like finally we were like, oh, whoa, here's an application of

1646
02:39:04,100 --> 02:39:08,740
this. I'm sorry, I can't remember it off the top of my head, but there, there have been examples

1647
02:39:08,740 --> 02:39:13,620
where it's not necessarily clear what the commercial application of this will be.

1648
02:39:14,340 --> 02:39:18,820
But the work that's being done is still extremely important.

1649
02:39:20,500 --> 02:39:24,100
What are we looking at here? Things that wouldn't have been possible without space travel.

1650
02:39:24,660 --> 02:39:30,980
Oh yeah, cool. Camera phones, scratch resistant lenses, CAT scans, LEDs, landmine removal, athletic shoes,

1651
02:39:30,980 --> 02:39:35,700
foil blankets, water purification system, dust busters, ear thermometers, home insulation,

1652
02:39:35,700 --> 02:39:40,180
the jaws of life, wireless headphones, memory foam, freeze dried food, adjustable smoke detectors,

1653
02:39:40,180 --> 02:39:44,500
baby formula, artificial limbs, computer mouse, portable computers. I don't know if

1654
02:39:44,500 --> 02:39:49,700
computer mice or portable computers are, are important to you guys at all. I don't know who

1655
02:39:49,700 --> 02:39:54,900
got that list. It's not conclusive. That was on some random site that somebody in full plane

1656
02:39:54,900 --> 02:40:00,020
shared. Don't forget the movie Apollo 13 starring Tom Hanks, never would have gotten that without

1657
02:40:00,020 --> 02:40:08,660
space travel. Good stuff. Good stuff. Important stuff. But yeah, like the, the reason why I'm

1658
02:40:08,660 --> 02:40:13,620
so into NASA isn't, isn't just because like space stuff cool. Space stuff is cool.

1659
02:40:13,620 --> 02:40:20,420
Super cool. Space stuff cool is objectively based. But that was NASA's website. It didn't look like

1660
02:40:20,420 --> 02:40:26,580
it to me. NASA has a fair bit of credibility. If it was NASA's website, I don't mind it.

1661
02:40:26,580 --> 02:40:31,780
It was. Yeah. What does it say at the top of the picture? One sec.

1662
02:40:34,180 --> 02:40:38,580
Oh, whatever. I read something wrong, my bad. That was absolutely NASA's website.

1663
02:40:38,580 --> 02:40:42,180
It's not conclusive though. So I don't, I don't know what's going on there. But anyways,

1664
02:40:44,340 --> 02:40:49,620
it's, it's cause in a way it represents like human advancement.

1665
02:40:51,220 --> 02:40:56,420
Like it's not just space travel. A lot of it is science. A lot of it is with the one small step

1666
02:40:56,420 --> 02:41:02,260
for mankind. Yeah. That one giant. It's not, it's not just rocket cool, rocket go fast,

1667
02:41:02,260 --> 02:41:07,300
space neat. It's like, this is how we like grow. There's that whole thing of like

1668
02:41:08,180 --> 02:41:14,740
every scientific discovery is this like tiny microscopic pimple on the circle of knowledge

1669
02:41:14,740 --> 02:41:19,380
that humans have. And it's like, yeah, but when you do that a lot, the circle grow bigger.

1670
02:41:20,180 --> 02:41:24,100
This was a big part of circle grow bigger. Like it's, I don't know.

1671
02:41:26,820 --> 02:41:30,100
It's rough. I don't think this is bad for the world.

1672
02:41:32,340 --> 02:41:34,740
It's also inspirational. Yeah. Absolutely. Hugely so.

1673
02:41:35,780 --> 02:41:39,700
Apparently not anymore. I mean, remember when we were kids, kids wanted to be, what was it,

1674
02:41:39,700 --> 02:41:45,380
doctors, lawyers, astronauts, firefighters, and heads of state. And now it's a

1675
02:41:46,340 --> 02:41:51,220
TikToker. Yeah. Now they want to be you. Be me is not that great.

1676
02:41:51,220 --> 02:41:54,980
A little bit less so him. Yeah. Cause they want to be bigger on the short form media.

1677
02:41:54,980 --> 02:42:00,580
Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. And they probably don't want to be older. And then they start figuring out the money stuff and then they want to get on YouTube.

1678
02:42:00,580 --> 02:42:07,300
Yeah. It's when they're a little older, they want to get on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like that word. I prefer mature.

1679
02:42:10,100 --> 02:42:15,780
Nice. That's me, blunt mature.

1680
02:42:20,580 --> 02:42:27,940
Last week, user David the runner posted on our subreddit their custom 3D holographic display,

1681
02:42:27,940 --> 02:42:33,780
which has been added to their graduation cap. It reads, I survived with solid works,

1682
02:42:33,780 --> 02:42:40,180
Microsoft suite, open AI and LTT. Hey, congrats on making it through university,

1683
02:42:40,180 --> 02:42:44,180
but this does spark an interesting conversation about AI use in schools.

1684
02:42:45,540 --> 02:42:49,460
David left a comment on the post talking about using AI to assist with some learning and to

1685
02:42:49,460 --> 02:42:56,180
help with assisting in written works. I do want to just, can I screen share? Yep. Super cool.

1686
02:42:58,420 --> 02:43:00,740
That's awesome. Yeah.

1687
02:43:03,780 --> 02:43:10,820
Super cool graduation cap. Absolutely chatted. Love it. What else we got?

1688
02:43:10,820 --> 02:43:13,220
What else we got this week that we're supposed to be talking about? Ah, yes.

1689
02:43:14,420 --> 02:43:21,940
Giant, whoa, what's going on? Giant layoff bomb hits video games. After creative director

1690
02:43:21,940 --> 02:43:29,060
Dan Rickert left giant bomb, its parent company, fandom hit the pause button on its subsidiaries

1691
02:43:29,060 --> 02:43:34,820
production to perform a strategic reset and realignment of their media brands. This comes

1692
02:43:34,820 --> 02:43:40,900
two years after much of the giant bomb core left the gaming outlet. Polygon has been hit with over

1693
02:43:40,900 --> 02:43:48,500
20 layoffs after being sold to Vox by Vox to Valnet, owner of 27 plus click farm publications.

1694
02:43:49,220 --> 02:43:54,340
Valnet has been mired in controversy, including a lawsuit directed at competitor

1695
02:43:54,340 --> 02:44:00,580
the rap for 64 and a half million in damages due to libel from their article about Valnet owner

1696
02:44:00,580 --> 02:44:07,860
Hassan Youssef's ties to porn and accusation of sweatshop like working conditions. That's all

1697
02:44:07,860 --> 02:44:16,420
alleged, alleged. OG, the rap article seems pretty legit. And I think the lawsuit is a

1698
02:44:16,420 --> 02:44:22,740
Hail Mary defense. This is from our writer. I don't know what OG means is do we have a writer

1699
02:44:22,740 --> 02:44:28,900
whose initials are OG? Not that I can think of. Anyway, allegedly, allegedly. Original gangster.

1700
02:44:28,900 --> 02:44:34,980
Yeah, but thanks. Thanks for that, Dan. Original gangster, the rap article seems pretty legit.

1701
02:44:34,980 --> 02:44:41,060
Yeah, okay. Guys, it's fine. EA has laid off between 300 and 400 employees this week,

1702
02:44:41,060 --> 02:44:46,340
with a hundred of them coming from Premiere Studio Respawn, which has resulted in two game

1703
02:44:46,340 --> 02:44:52,020
cancellations, including sorry, Luke, a new Titanfall based extraction shooter. This was so

1704
02:44:52,020 --> 02:44:58,260
depressing here. Narrative designer Heather Woodward was one of the people let go just 24 hours

1705
02:44:58,260 --> 02:45:02,900
after the reveal of the first character that she wrote for Apex.

1706
02:45:02,900 --> 02:45:11,860
And hold on, where's this, where's this link that I, man, where's the link I sent in the chat?

1707
02:45:11,860 --> 02:45:16,900
If I, okay, if I send a link in the chat, it kind of means that I want to talk about the stuff it

1708
02:45:16,900 --> 02:45:25,700
says in the chat and, oh man, how to get fired from video games industry. This is hilarious.

1709
02:45:26,660 --> 02:45:36,740
Make a successful game. Well, no, it's got a whole, it's got a whole bunch of examples. Who, oh man, Apex lay off.

1710
02:45:37,380 --> 02:45:40,260
Hold on, hold on, where is it? Dang it.

1711
02:45:44,100 --> 02:45:50,340
Dang it, I can't find it. Is it from PC Gamer? Yeah, this is it. This is it from PC Gamer.

1712
02:45:50,340 --> 02:45:55,140
They've actually got a pretty, I don't want to call it funny because this is really terrible news,

1713
02:45:55,140 --> 02:46:01,060
but they've got a humorous, a humorous take on the situation. Let's look at all the reasons

1714
02:46:01,060 --> 02:46:07,300
why you might get laid off while working on a game, shall we? Your game doesn't do well. Okay, sure.

1715
02:46:07,860 --> 02:46:12,660
Your game is called a success by Microsoft. Microsoft lays you off. You help make a game

1716
02:46:12,660 --> 02:46:18,180
as successful as Marvel Rivals. You are then laid off. Your studio gets acquired for over $60

1717
02:46:18,180 --> 02:46:22,580
billion. You are then laid off. You endure executive pressure that forces you into making

1718
02:46:22,580 --> 02:46:26,420
games your studio isn't good at making. It doesn't go well. You are then laid off.

1719
02:46:27,300 --> 02:46:32,180
I guess that was monolith, I assume. I'm assuming, yeah, I don't know. Oh, no, this is arcane.

1720
02:46:33,140 --> 02:46:38,500
Doesn't make sense. Okay. Someone decides your portfolio needs to be aligned, reorganized,

1721
02:46:38,500 --> 02:46:42,100
restructured, become more flexible, agile, versatile under economic industry conditions.

1722
02:46:42,100 --> 02:46:46,660
Meanwhile, your CEO might have spent $2 million on vintage cars. You are then laid off.

1723
02:46:47,620 --> 02:46:51,460
Now we can add, you dared to work on a video game to that list, I guess.

1724
02:46:53,540 --> 02:46:58,340
This is, I don't understand the, I'm not understanding the logic here.

1725
02:46:59,780 --> 02:47:04,420
Can you help me understand the logic? Can any of you help me understand the logic?

1726
02:47:04,420 --> 02:47:08,260
Are any of you video game executives? Well, I think, okay, this is not,

1727
02:47:08,260 --> 02:47:12,580
as I know they do in the video game industry. They could be. You don't know that they aren't.

1728
02:47:12,580 --> 02:47:20,100
I think there's been a strong correlation since like 2023 of shrink company stock go up.

1729
02:47:21,060 --> 02:47:24,100
Well, I think that's well before 2023, sir. Is it?

1730
02:47:24,100 --> 02:47:28,500
Maybe more specific to the game industry, which admittedly probably had gotten a little bit

1731
02:47:28,500 --> 02:47:35,220
overambitious because of the COVID boom, but I mean, shrink company stock go up has been a thing.

1732
02:47:36,340 --> 02:47:40,500
Yeah, but there was a lot of drive, like especially in 2020, but also before 2020,

1733
02:47:40,500 --> 02:47:45,780
before COVID stuff, for gaming and tech companies to massively inflate their staff.

1734
02:47:45,780 --> 02:47:49,700
For gaming and tech companies, yes, but I'd say more generally, you know,

1735
02:47:49,700 --> 02:47:54,500
especially if a company is, you know, falling slightly short of analysts for projections.

1736
02:47:55,060 --> 02:47:58,260
So shrink it. Yeah, that's been a thing for a long time. Shrink and stock go up has been a thing for a long time.

1737
02:47:58,260 --> 02:48:03,220
I don't think we've seen it in gaming and tech for a long time. And then in COVID eras, they

1738
02:48:04,100 --> 02:48:09,540
cranked the inflate the staff numbers harder than ever before. And then coming out of it,

1739
02:48:09,540 --> 02:48:14,340
they're like, oh, wait, there's this way to pump the stock? Where you just fire a ton of people?

1740
02:48:15,300 --> 02:48:19,300
Okay, there's a few things, a few things in Floatplane Chat. This is a very passionate topic

1741
02:48:19,300 --> 02:48:24,660
for them. Jack Welch, former GE CEO, apparently started the fire people to make stock go up trend.

1742
02:48:24,660 --> 02:48:29,140
That was a long time ago. But we already kind of, we're all caught up on that.

1743
02:48:29,140 --> 02:48:32,580
Alana Pierce apparently has a really good video about these layoffs. So you guys are

1744
02:48:32,580 --> 02:48:37,860
apparently going to want to go check that out. Source, FSP9. But there was actually another

1745
02:48:37,860 --> 02:48:42,420
one that I wanted to look at here. And this is from Screenies in the Floatplane Chat.

1746
02:48:42,500 --> 02:48:47,620
CEOs of these companies need to stop selling their studios to giant corporations.

1747
02:48:48,660 --> 02:48:54,580
But here's the thing. It's not quite that simple. And when we toured Monolith,

1748
02:48:54,580 --> 02:48:59,220
it was actually shortly after their acquisition and talking to folks there,

1749
02:48:59,220 --> 02:49:05,060
the decision kind of made a lot of sense. Monolith was, I would say, like more of a

1750
02:49:05,060 --> 02:49:10,740
double A developer. Do you say that's a fair assessment? I wouldn't call a game like fear

1751
02:49:10,740 --> 02:49:15,220
triple A. Yeah. Like it was on a relatively, relatively small budget.

1752
02:49:15,220 --> 02:49:18,900
What's the definition again? Triple A games. Big budget, essentially.

1753
02:49:18,900 --> 02:49:23,140
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you guys think that's a fair characterization?

1754
02:49:23,140 --> 02:49:26,340
I think so. I think so. I would say so for sure.

1755
02:49:26,340 --> 02:49:30,180
So I would say, you know, Monolith is like a double A, a double A game maker.

1756
02:49:30,180 --> 02:49:34,740
And even at that time, this was, this was years ago, right? Even at that time,

1757
02:49:34,740 --> 02:49:43,540
they were looking at the trend in the gaming industry that of, of development costs going

1758
02:49:43,540 --> 02:49:53,780
essentially parabolic and, and the returns going parabolic as well, but only for a small

1759
02:49:53,780 --> 02:50:01,940
handful of successful titles. So basically what you were locked in was this endless cycle

1760
02:50:02,020 --> 02:50:08,660
of like bet the entire farm, work, work, work, work, work, grind, grind, grind, grind,

1761
02:50:08,660 --> 02:50:16,580
crunch, crunch, crunch until you finally get to release hope that you have absolutely nailed it.

1762
02:50:16,580 --> 02:50:20,340
Right. Cause you bet everything. So you're, you're swinging for the fences.

1763
02:50:20,340 --> 02:50:26,020
You hope you nailed it. You get this enormous windfall of cash that's even bigger than last time.

1764
02:50:26,020 --> 02:50:29,140
Everybody has a party. Realistically, a lot of people still lose their jobs,

1765
02:50:29,140 --> 02:50:32,740
like QA staff are not really needed toward the beginning of game development where it's

1766
02:50:32,740 --> 02:50:37,060
more about ideation and laying of, you know, groundwork or whatever else. And then you,

1767
02:50:37,060 --> 02:50:41,460
and then you rinse and repeat because the expectation from the customer is bigger and

1768
02:50:41,460 --> 02:50:45,140
bigger and bigger. I mean, why do you think it's taking Rockstar so bloody long to make

1769
02:50:45,140 --> 02:50:50,180
Grand Theft Auto 6, which just got delayed? Ogrisaurus and full plane chassis. Then you

1770
02:50:50,180 --> 02:50:56,900
made Starfield. Well, that's exactly it. And so, so to answer your question,

1771
02:50:56,900 --> 02:51:01,220
but why do this? Why do they sell out? They sell out because that's exhausting.

1772
02:51:02,020 --> 02:51:09,460
And it's terrifying to go all in. I can tell you guys as a business owner who has gone all in

1773
02:51:09,460 --> 02:51:14,660
multiple times. Imagine, imagine you just make one product every like five years.

1774
02:51:17,460 --> 02:51:23,460
And if that product's not a banger, like, ouch. And even if it is a banger, how many underappreciated,

1775
02:51:23,460 --> 02:51:28,580
how many copies of Freelancer sold? I want to know. I want to know how many copies of Freelancer

1776
02:51:28,580 --> 02:51:41,780
sold. Okay. The video game Freelancer is reported to have sold approximately 20,000 copies in the UK

1777
02:51:41,780 --> 02:51:46,340
during the first half of 2003. While exact total sales figures are not readily available,

1778
02:51:46,340 --> 02:51:50,820
there were hopes that the game would sell at least 500,000 copies. And I can, I can tell you

1779
02:51:50,820 --> 02:51:55,220
that if it did 20,000 in the UK, it sure as hell didn't do 500,000 copies worldwide.

1780
02:51:57,220 --> 02:52:05,620
It was an awesome game. Awesome. So good. That doesn't mean it's successful. Yeah,

1781
02:52:05,620 --> 02:52:10,420
yeah, people are bringing up Titanfall. Just because a game is great doesn't mean that it's

1782
02:52:10,420 --> 02:52:16,260
going to sell. So you could do everything right. And you could still get f***ed. And like,

1783
02:52:16,260 --> 02:52:19,940
Titanfall was largely, a lot of people's opinion on that was that they were

1784
02:52:20,820 --> 02:52:26,660
the release window. Prey. Yeah, Prey. Marketing and stuff. Prey was a super cool game. Total

1785
02:52:26,660 --> 02:52:32,180
commercial flop. I mean, as far as I could tell, they probably gave away more copies with GPUs

1786
02:52:32,180 --> 02:52:43,380
than they actually sold. So that's the thing, right? So why do they sell out Luke? Well,

1787
02:52:43,380 --> 02:52:51,220
because they're terrified because that's their, that's their opportunity to realistically to cash,

1788
02:52:51,220 --> 02:52:55,220
to cash in on all the work that they did leading up until that moment. Like, yeah,

1789
02:52:55,220 --> 02:52:59,380
they got paid their salary or whatever else. But if they're, if the expect, if they're sitting

1790
02:52:59,380 --> 02:53:03,940
there in that moment, they just launched a huge game and they get a big offer that values their

1791
02:53:03,940 --> 02:53:08,500
company at something akin to the revenue that they're making right now on this huge game launch,

1792
02:53:08,740 --> 02:53:16,580
put yourself in their shoes and tell me that you have the, you have the personal integrity or

1793
02:53:16,580 --> 02:53:22,420
you have the personal code that would, that would make you turn away tens of millions of dollars

1794
02:53:23,300 --> 02:53:31,780
versus fear for your livelihood daily. I can, I can tell you, I can tell you a lot of people

1795
02:53:31,780 --> 02:53:37,220
are not going to answer this truthfully. I know. They might think they are. And I still

1796
02:53:37,220 --> 02:53:42,740
about you. It's not true. It is. I can tell you from experience, it is really difficult to say no

1797
02:53:42,740 --> 02:53:52,020
to tens of millions of dollars. Super hard. Doesn't regret it. Super hard. Kind of based.

1798
02:53:53,620 --> 02:54:02,500
Super hard though. Not easy decision. And you know what? I got, I got to tell you,

1799
02:54:02,500 --> 02:54:06,580
I got to tell you that I had, I had a, no, I had a big advantage there.

1800
02:54:07,300 --> 02:54:15,780
Huge advantage because when my offer came, we weren't starving. I already, I had literally

1801
02:54:15,780 --> 02:54:22,740
just purchased my dream home. Yeah. Right? Like, like I, we were, we were in a sustainable

1802
02:54:22,740 --> 02:54:27,860
space, right? Like we never took startup capital. We weren't like spending someone else's money and

1803
02:54:27,860 --> 02:54:34,020
trying to figure out returns and then taking the windfall and having to reinvest it, maybe even

1804
02:54:34,020 --> 02:54:38,580
go into debt towards the end of it to get this thing over the line, take on investment. We weren't

1805
02:54:38,580 --> 02:54:44,180
playing any of those games. I was running a profitable month to month, year to year, even

1806
02:54:44,180 --> 02:54:51,860
day to day. I was running a profitable company and you know, realistically, another 10 million

1807
02:54:51,860 --> 02:54:59,220
dollars wouldn't have changed my daily life, but just wouldn't have really made a difference. And

1808
02:54:59,300 --> 02:55:05,060
yeah, that is, that is an extremely privileged position. And I recognize that that is

1809
02:55:05,780 --> 02:55:09,300
realistically a huge part of why I was able to make the decision I was able to make.

1810
02:55:10,180 --> 02:55:16,580
But when making payroll every week is like absolutely freaking terrifying, I can understand.

1811
02:55:18,020 --> 02:55:24,820
I can understand. I would not do it. I can understand someone doing it. And I really don't

1812
02:55:24,820 --> 02:55:31,220
believe that a lot of people that would be like, I wouldn't do it. I don't believe that most of them

1813
02:55:31,220 --> 02:55:37,540
wouldn't do it. Me neither. I've been in related scenarios, so I can kind of trust my own answer,

1814
02:55:37,540 --> 02:55:47,700
I think. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah. So our, our worksmen in Floatplane chat put it really well.

1815
02:55:47,700 --> 02:55:55,300
I came to my decision from a position of power, not a position of fear. If I had been in a position

1816
02:55:55,300 --> 02:56:00,580
of fear, it would have been totally different. I had a little bit of fear, which was a big part of

1817
02:56:00,580 --> 02:56:04,980
why I even started the conversation in the first place. To be clear, when I say started, I mean,

1818
02:56:04,980 --> 02:56:10,980
was receptive to the conversation. I didn't reach out. And that fear was an interesting

1819
02:56:10,980 --> 02:56:14,660
conversation. Sometimes you want to have those conversations, even with zero intent. I like

1820
02:56:14,660 --> 02:56:18,740
knowing what my stuff's worth. Yes. It's like getting your coin collection assayed. I want to

1821
02:56:18,740 --> 02:56:24,180
know what my company is. It's an interesting conversation. Yeah. So, so we, we hadn't launched

1822
02:56:24,180 --> 02:56:30,980
backpack yet. So I had some fear that we had made an enormous bet that wasn't going to pay off. But,

1823
02:56:30,980 --> 02:56:35,860
but as I talked about prior to the backpack launch, which was a big part of the whole trust me bro

1824
02:56:35,860 --> 02:56:42,500
controversy, we even were approaching that large bet from a position of strength. If I had to refund

1825
02:56:42,500 --> 02:56:47,940
every single one of those backpacks, I could afford it. I knew that. Right. I wasn't in the

1826
02:56:47,940 --> 02:56:54,420
position of like a game company of someone on it, like in a game, in, in a leadership position at a

1827
02:56:54,420 --> 02:56:58,420
game company where they literally wouldn't know where their next meal was coming from if their

1828
02:56:58,420 --> 02:57:03,380
next game flopped. And this isn't always true. No. There are companies that have,

1829
02:57:04,740 --> 02:57:09,300
that are much more financially stable, that still sell out. There, there's, there's all these

1830
02:57:09,300 --> 02:57:13,300
different scenarios, right? Like it's, but I think the one that Linus is describing is a pretty

1831
02:57:13,300 --> 02:57:19,140
common one for probably the majority of studios that aren't just making like incredible bank

1832
02:57:19,140 --> 02:57:24,020
all the time. Not everybody's Larry. If they have an as a service game or whatever else,

1833
02:57:24,020 --> 02:57:29,860
or they're just like printing money with like, you know, a dozen active mobile games that are,

1834
02:57:29,860 --> 02:57:36,260
you know, gotcha AF, like, sure, there's, there's definitely examples. They already did the, the

1835
02:57:36,260 --> 02:57:40,500
selling out basically at that point. They're just sold out to themselves, I guess. So I guess I'm

1836
02:57:40,500 --> 02:57:46,260
talking more about your traditional game studio. Your traditional medium level successful, medium

1837
02:57:46,260 --> 02:57:50,820
to low level success. I'm speaking from my experience doing the tour at Monolith, basically

1838
02:57:50,820 --> 02:57:57,140
speaking to people who literally just went through this acquisition and more recently

1839
02:57:57,780 --> 02:58:02,500
have now been shuttered because they were pushed to make a game that wasn't really aligned with

1840
02:58:02,500 --> 02:58:07,300
their experience. Uh, or no, no, that one was, uh, it was the Wonder Woman IP one. Sorry, that was

1841
02:58:07,300 --> 02:58:16,740
actually a slightly different situation. I mean, pay, pay 90 brings up a good point. I mean, technically

1842
02:58:16,740 --> 02:58:21,700
even Larry is kind of got some, some misleading. Yeah. The way it was originally typed is a

1843
02:58:21,700 --> 02:58:25,860
misleading statement, but they, they, they had to go, they had to go sniffing around for money. And

1844
02:58:25,860 --> 02:58:30,580
if anything, I think that kind of adds strength to the point that I'm trying to make where it is a,

1845
02:58:31,140 --> 02:58:40,180
it is a ruthless, ruthless cutthroat business. It's tough. One of the most. And if, if someone,

1846
02:58:40,180 --> 02:58:47,460
if someone succeeds in that business and gets an opportunity to get theirs and they take it,

1847
02:58:48,900 --> 02:58:55,140
we cannot agree. We cannot like it. I can understand. But I think that there are very few

1848
02:58:55,140 --> 02:58:59,860
people and you might be one of them. I believe you are probably one of them. You might be one of them.

1849
02:59:00,580 --> 02:59:05,140
Who would say no, who would walk away from it and who would swing for the fences again and again

1850
02:59:05,140 --> 02:59:10,020
and again and would never get tired of it. But I do believe that most people would just say, well,

1851
02:59:11,140 --> 02:59:16,740
I mean, I got to eat. My kids got to go to school, you know, especially when you have dependence.

1852
02:59:16,740 --> 02:59:22,740
Yeah. My wife's got to drive a nice car. My family, my family member has whatever

1853
02:59:22,900 --> 02:59:26,660
problem that I could solve with this. Just imagine. Yeah.

1854
02:59:29,380 --> 02:59:32,740
I mean, look at, look at what people, look at what people will do for, you know,

1855
02:59:32,740 --> 02:59:38,260
the payouts on something like Beast Games, right? Or just, I mean, just Mr. Beast's videos in general.

1856
02:59:38,260 --> 02:59:42,820
Look, look at further than that, right? Like I'm in a fairly privileged position that

1857
02:59:42,820 --> 02:59:48,020
no one in my life is in one of those scenarios, right? So like,

1858
02:59:48,980 --> 02:59:55,460
like, if my mom was like, not going to make it unless I had a ton of money to ship her off to

1859
02:59:55,460 --> 02:59:58,980
some country to pay for some really expensive operation and somebody was like, you could do

1860
02:59:58,980 --> 03:00:04,660
this thing. Yeah, you do. Yeah. No question. So like there are lines. Everyone has lines.

1861
03:00:04,660 --> 03:00:10,820
In my current scenario, I can resist because I'm fine and I'll be fine. And I enjoy swinging

1862
03:00:10,820 --> 03:00:19,540
for the fences and I like it when it's hard. So pause. But you know, things could change

1863
03:00:19,540 --> 03:00:25,620
that would sway me for sure. All right. What are we supposed to be talking about?

1864
03:00:25,620 --> 03:00:31,700
Who knows? Oh yeah, the giant layoff bomb. Yeah. DOJ antitrust plan could kill Google search.

1865
03:00:32,420 --> 03:00:36,980
Testifying during the remedies phase of Google's search antitrust trial on Wednesday,

1866
03:00:36,980 --> 03:00:41,780
Google CEO Sunder Pichai claimed the US government's plan to rectify Google's search

1867
03:00:41,780 --> 03:00:46,100
monopoly might make it hard to justify continuing to build a search engine at all.

1868
03:00:46,900 --> 03:00:50,660
The government has proposed that Google be required to share much of its search data

1869
03:00:50,660 --> 03:00:56,420
and search index with competitors for a marginal cost. Pichai said that this would be a disaster

1870
03:00:56,420 --> 03:01:00,980
that would allow anyone to completely reverse engineer end to end any part of our technology

1871
03:01:00,980 --> 03:01:05,460
stack. Pichai's testimony also touched on the government's proposal to force Google to sell

1872
03:01:05,460 --> 03:01:09,140
Chrome. Several companies have expressed an interest, but Pichai argued there's no other

1873
03:01:09,140 --> 03:01:14,020
company that could match Google's care for the browser. Google spent tens of billions of dollars

1874
03:01:14,020 --> 03:01:17,700
on Chrome in the past decade and is responsible for more than 90% of the code commits to the

1875
03:01:17,700 --> 03:01:22,340
open source Chromium project, which makes up the core of Chrome and several of the browsers.

1876
03:01:22,340 --> 03:01:26,260
This comes as Google's share of global online search traffic has dipped below 90% for the

1877
03:01:26,260 --> 03:01:32,180
first time in a decade and has dropped below 80% in the desktop PC segment.

1878
03:01:36,100 --> 03:01:41,620
I mean, isn't Google basically like not going to bother making their traditional

1879
03:01:41,620 --> 03:01:44,900
search engine anymore anyway? Isn't that kind of the direction that we're going? Feels like it.

1880
03:01:45,780 --> 03:01:48,180
I think we're just we're just going AI at this point.

1881
03:01:49,060 --> 03:01:53,780
In other Google news, Google has killed smart features for their first and second gen

1882
03:01:53,780 --> 03:01:58,100
Nest thermostats. They will be killed effective October 25, 2025.

1883
03:01:59,540 --> 03:02:04,980
Okay, so hear me out. Actually not hear me out. I want to hear your take on this.

1884
03:02:04,980 --> 03:02:08,980
The first gen Nest learning thermostat came out 14 years ago.

1885
03:02:11,780 --> 03:02:15,300
You can still use it as a normal thermostat. What are the what features?

1886
03:02:15,300 --> 03:02:18,500
Well, the like learning and I guess the app control, right?

1887
03:02:21,700 --> 03:02:25,300
I think there's a difference between killing and no longer supporting.

1888
03:02:26,340 --> 03:02:31,220
Is it being killed or are they no longer supporting? It is effectively being killed.

1889
03:02:32,180 --> 03:02:35,460
You can. Yeah, you can't use the mobile app for control anymore.

1890
03:02:35,460 --> 03:02:39,540
Scheduling is why like this is a huge part of the reason why I put a strong

1891
03:02:39,540 --> 03:02:44,900
preference on if I'm buying something. I mean, this happened with was it the like

1892
03:02:44,900 --> 03:02:49,460
floor cleaning robot for smash dance or something? You were like, what happens?

1893
03:02:49,460 --> 03:02:56,420
Like, can I can I main to? I don't remember the exact. Can I still use it if the internet goes out or whatever and you're they were like,

1894
03:02:56,980 --> 03:03:00,660
and your reason was because you guys might not exist and they're like, of course will exist.

1895
03:03:00,660 --> 03:03:06,420
This is my whole point. If if the smart learning stuff, I paid more for up front

1896
03:03:06,420 --> 03:03:13,060
sticker price because the hardware in order to do that is in the device and it happens locally.

1897
03:03:14,020 --> 03:03:18,820
I am personally much more willing to buy. I don't think that's universally true.

1898
03:03:18,820 --> 03:03:22,900
People look at the sticker price dude entirely based off that. So they want the cheaper device where it happens remotely.

1899
03:03:25,140 --> 03:03:33,700
But this is why, right? I think I'm still mad. I don't think I care that it's 14 years ago because I didn't necessarily

1900
03:03:33,700 --> 03:03:42,340
buy it on launch day. So that that timeline is honestly probably shorter and like I'm not saying

1901
03:03:42,980 --> 03:03:48,420
I'm not mad because this thing is sold with these features and it does it never said,

1902
03:03:48,420 --> 03:03:55,780
hey, we'll turn them off in 14 years. Yeah. And if you bought it seven years ago, it didn't say, hey, we're going to turn it off in seven years.

1903
03:03:55,860 --> 03:04:00,020
When I saw 14 years, it still works WTF. They're killing specific features.

1904
03:04:00,020 --> 03:04:06,340
They're not saying that it's not working at all. Yeah. Like when I saw 14 years, I was like, I don't know. Do you really expect something

1905
03:04:06,340 --> 03:04:09,620
to last 14 years? And I was like, yeah, I do a thermostat. Yes.

1906
03:04:10,260 --> 03:04:13,860
I expect a thermostat to last as long as my house pretty much. Yeah.

1907
03:04:13,860 --> 03:04:19,060
Like what are what are we even talking about here? Yeah. Like this is not a, you know, this is not a smoke detector, you know,

1908
03:04:19,060 --> 03:04:22,260
change it every five years or 10 years or whatever. This is a freaking thermostat.

1909
03:04:22,260 --> 03:04:26,660
Does I don't have one? Is there the app control was the selling point?

1910
03:04:26,660 --> 03:04:29,780
Yeah, he knows. That's what he's saying. Why are you talking about, man? That's what he said.

1911
03:04:29,780 --> 03:04:34,100
No, it's the same guy. He said it still works WTF. They said the app control was the selling point.

1912
03:04:34,980 --> 03:04:37,940
What? What are you talking about? What are you talking about?

1913
03:04:38,980 --> 03:04:42,820
Because my point with like, if there's things on it that happened locally,

1914
03:04:42,820 --> 03:04:46,020
it becomes a dumb thermostat now. So there's no learning anymore.

1915
03:04:46,020 --> 03:04:50,820
And the easy thing to do if this, if, if a lot more of the stuff happened locally,

1916
03:04:50,900 --> 03:04:55,380
which maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, I don't know. I don't know this product very well, but the easy thing to do would just make it

1917
03:04:55,380 --> 03:05:02,420
so that people could control it with like home assistant or something. Yeah, but that's not that easy. You can't ask people to set up, flip in home assistant.

1918
03:05:02,420 --> 03:05:05,940
But it would be much cooler on the company if they allowed people to.

1919
03:05:05,940 --> 03:05:10,020
I don't know that it doesn't to be clear. Pyrophone. He says you can use home.

1920
03:05:10,020 --> 03:05:13,460
You can, but you can't expect a normie to do that.

1921
03:05:13,460 --> 03:05:16,660
This is the problem with the cloud. This is the problem with anything that's in the cloud.

1922
03:05:16,660 --> 03:05:18,980
They are disabling home assistant access. What? Are they actually?

1923
03:05:20,900 --> 03:05:23,140
Okay, this is worse than I thought. I don't know if that's true or not.

1924
03:05:24,340 --> 03:05:27,940
The whole thing should just be immediately open source if they're,

1925
03:05:27,940 --> 03:05:31,300
if they're killing it, if it's a smart device, if it has a processor on it,

1926
03:05:31,860 --> 03:05:37,220
then I mean, that's the right thing to do. They should just say, okay, well, here you go then.

1927
03:05:37,220 --> 03:05:40,420
Yes, it works locally, but won't work with hardware assistant.

1928
03:05:40,420 --> 03:05:46,500
So it's just losing app control. Even the app control thing is weird though, because like, like we said earlier, right?

1929
03:05:46,500 --> 03:05:53,060
You buy a product on a list of features. Like I think something needs to change legally and I don't know what it is.

1930
03:05:54,340 --> 03:05:58,340
But you, you shouldn't be able to sell a product and then as a company,

1931
03:05:59,060 --> 03:06:02,100
take features away from that product, right? Like that doesn't seem right.

1932
03:06:02,100 --> 03:06:06,660
Man, this is tough. So is there, is there, is there like a legal period of time?

1933
03:06:06,660 --> 03:06:10,740
Insomniac points out that the hardware can't do modern cryptographic ciphers,

1934
03:06:11,620 --> 03:06:15,700
which could legitimately be a good reason to EOL it.

1935
03:06:16,820 --> 03:06:23,140
They are offering a discount. That's an interesting one. On a new thermostat for a fourth gen nest learning thermostat.

1936
03:06:23,140 --> 03:06:28,020
They will give you, it looks like $130 off, bring it down to 150 bucks.

1937
03:06:28,020 --> 03:06:31,220
But boy, is that ever a lot of money to rebuy a thing that I thought I was buying.

1938
03:06:35,940 --> 03:06:40,580
But yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's okay. Aki says it's not fair to ask them to give that IP up.

1939
03:06:40,580 --> 03:06:43,380
We're not asking them to give it up. We're asking them to support it.

1940
03:06:43,940 --> 03:06:47,300
And then failing that. Well, I guess they better give it up.

1941
03:06:48,740 --> 03:06:58,260
They're making a choice though. Also, if it's 14 year old software for a thermostat, it's probably fine to give that up.

1942
03:06:58,980 --> 03:07:04,980
Cato Esco is fairly sure Home Assistant went through the cloud. Yeah. So some Home Assistant integrations are through the cloud,

1943
03:07:04,980 --> 03:07:08,980
which is why I insisted on finding thermostats that didn't.

1944
03:07:08,980 --> 03:07:14,580
So my ecobies do not. Yeah, makes sense. They are controllable locally by Home Assistant,

1945
03:07:14,580 --> 03:07:18,180
which means that if my internet's down, I can still adjust my in-floor heat.

1946
03:07:18,180 --> 03:07:23,060
That's exactly how I would want to do that purchasing decision for sure.

1947
03:07:24,260 --> 03:07:29,060
But yeah, I don't know. I think they need to figure something out. Because this is happening with lots of different products where they're just

1948
03:07:29,060 --> 03:07:33,460
being like, no, we're not going to support it anymore. And 14 years is a long time, but it's still them going.

1949
03:07:33,460 --> 03:07:38,900
Well, we're not going to support this anymore for a device that traditionally,

1950
03:07:38,900 --> 03:07:47,940
people expect these things to last forever, right? Yeah, I expect a thermostat to just be, if I bolt it to my house,

1951
03:07:48,660 --> 03:07:51,220
functionally, I expect it to be part of my house.

1952
03:07:52,260 --> 03:07:56,420
And I guess the line would be if it's something that is expected to be included

1953
03:07:56,420 --> 03:07:59,460
when I sell the house. You get what I mean? Yeah.

1954
03:07:59,460 --> 03:08:03,860
So, you know. Most people aren't going to rip their nest off the wall. Or their dishwasher out.

1955
03:08:03,860 --> 03:08:11,380
That to me is the line, right? So if it becomes part of my house, I expect it to last like my house.

1956
03:08:11,380 --> 03:08:14,580
I mean, it's not like the thermostats that we had in my house when I was a kid.

1957
03:08:14,580 --> 03:08:18,580
Just like, you know, oh yeah, the mercury in the little tube went bad.

1958
03:08:18,580 --> 03:08:21,620
So we throw it in. What are you even talking about? No, it's a thermostat.

1959
03:08:21,620 --> 03:08:24,100
Part of the house. You just, you need to be able to control the heat and the cold.

1960
03:08:27,860 --> 03:08:30,900
I mean, I think I have to assume.

1961
03:08:30,900 --> 03:08:33,780
Yeah. Like it's like light switches. What am I going to change all my light switches?

1962
03:08:34,660 --> 03:08:40,980
Because there's like a cryptographic compatibility. Practically all mine because they're breaking because our apartment building sucks.

1963
03:08:41,060 --> 03:08:41,380
But anyways.

1964
03:08:45,140 --> 03:08:49,460
Raiden 428 says, do you expect a smart watch to last as long as a regular watch

1965
03:08:49,460 --> 03:08:52,020
is a shorter lifespan, a trade-off for the features?

1966
03:08:54,100 --> 03:08:58,740
For a watch though. There's a difference between the device dying and the device being killed by a company.

1967
03:09:00,020 --> 03:09:03,140
Because like I could still use a pebble smart watch if I was willing to

1968
03:09:04,020 --> 03:09:09,460
use a black and white display. You know, and I'm willing to, you know, fight with the rebel app or whatever.

1969
03:09:10,420 --> 03:09:14,420
Also that went open source. That's a great example of Google actually open sourcing something

1970
03:09:14,420 --> 03:09:18,100
that they took over and killed. So that is how it's supposed to work.

1971
03:09:18,100 --> 03:09:20,180
Funny we should be talking about smart watches, but.

1972
03:09:23,060 --> 03:09:26,900
Yeah, like honestly, I think when people are looking at a traditional watch

1973
03:09:28,420 --> 03:09:34,660
versus a smart watch, I think they are, it is very easy to do the calculus of figuring out,

1974
03:09:34,660 --> 03:09:38,820
hey, this thing might not last as long as this mechanical device that,

1975
03:09:38,820 --> 03:09:44,900
in a lot of cases, can last practically forever. It's not necessarily easy to be like, I'm going to make a random guess on how long

1976
03:09:44,900 --> 03:09:53,380
this company is going to support this thing. I also think there's a sort of a sort of a sort of implied support period too, right?

1977
03:09:53,380 --> 03:09:59,540
Like when I, when I buy a smartphone accessory, I think the implication is that it's a,

1978
03:09:59,540 --> 03:10:04,180
it's kind of a piece of my smartphone. I don't necessarily compare it to a regular watch.

1979
03:10:04,740 --> 03:10:09,460
And the pitch, the original pitch that the company is making is also hugely important.

1980
03:10:09,460 --> 03:10:12,820
Like when Google sold the Nest, or I guess when Nest sold the Nest,

1981
03:10:12,820 --> 03:10:17,220
because I don't think they'd been acquired by Google yet at that point, though you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong on the timeline.

1982
03:10:17,220 --> 03:10:20,980
When they sold the Nest, they were just selling a thermostat.

1983
03:10:20,980 --> 03:10:24,660
They were like, it's a thermostat. By the way, it also connects to your phone and smart and it learns.

1984
03:10:25,300 --> 03:10:30,260
They didn't say like, like to your point earlier that it'll stop working in 14 years.

1985
03:10:30,260 --> 03:10:34,900
But they did say that it connects to your phone and smart and it learns. But it's sort of phone accessory.

1986
03:10:34,900 --> 03:10:37,940
Totally. It's a home accessory. Any of those things stop.

1987
03:10:38,820 --> 03:10:42,660
It's now, it was now in my opinion, falsely advertised.

1988
03:10:42,660 --> 03:10:46,820
Yeah, because it does still work as a thermostat, but that was never really how they pitched it.

1989
03:10:46,820 --> 03:10:50,980
They pitched it as a piece of my home that does all this cool stuff in the cloud.

1990
03:10:50,980 --> 03:10:54,820
Whereas no, to me, the smart watch is an accessory for your phone.

1991
03:10:54,820 --> 03:10:59,460
Like I, I, and maybe part of that is just like my own mental gymnastics here.

1992
03:10:59,460 --> 03:11:03,220
Like right, trying to divide a line that was something I intuitively understood

1993
03:11:03,220 --> 03:11:07,380
or, you know, something that I believe, but not necessarily everyone would agree with, right?

1994
03:11:09,780 --> 03:11:14,980
Well, man, this is wild dude.

1995
03:11:16,340 --> 03:11:20,020
Like there, this is just the tip of this spear.

1996
03:11:21,860 --> 03:11:28,100
Yeah, every, this is becoming more and more of a problem. Every smart device anyone's ever bought is going to be deprecated at some point.

1997
03:11:28,100 --> 03:11:32,100
And probably not properly in our opinion.

1998
03:11:32,100 --> 03:11:36,020
Yeah. And then what? It's just, it's e-waste.

1999
03:11:36,740 --> 03:11:40,180
That's it. Okay. After dark time. Hit me, Dan.

2000
03:11:44,980 --> 03:11:48,500
Look at that. One button, like an absolute bouse.

2001
03:11:55,140 --> 03:11:58,420
Seems like a low priority. Do you? Yeah. Make an air table integration.

2002
03:11:58,420 --> 03:11:58,580
Yeah.

2003
03:12:01,460 --> 03:12:05,300
Oh, no, don't, you can't say that because you might hear you and then.

2004
03:12:05,860 --> 03:12:08,900
Yeah. Don't, don't, don't give Conrad ideas. He just does stuff sometimes.

2005
03:12:10,580 --> 03:12:11,620
No, stop it.

2006
03:12:20,820 --> 03:12:25,620
And I'm muted. I'm muted. Of course. Fake emails. Fake personas. Fake techie Dan, large Luke and short Linus.

2007
03:12:25,700 --> 03:12:29,860
Question for you all other than VPN. What protections do you guys do for your privacy?

2008
03:12:29,860 --> 03:12:35,300
Love the content. Fake emails, fake personas. I have multiple people.

2009
03:12:35,300 --> 03:12:35,860
Here we go.

2010
03:12:38,900 --> 03:12:42,340
I, I know they're, they're full names. First, middle, last.

2011
03:12:43,060 --> 03:12:47,620
I know lots of these random types of details. They have profiles online.

2012
03:12:48,340 --> 03:12:51,620
They have emails, all this kind of stuff that I can just whip out at any time.

2013
03:12:51,620 --> 03:12:54,420
They're not real. Made them up mostly when I was like.

2014
03:12:55,700 --> 03:13:00,820
Between. Tell me you were involved in some shit without telling me you were involved in some shit.

2015
03:13:01,380 --> 03:13:03,460
So, and I, I mean, I still got them.

2016
03:13:05,620 --> 03:13:06,980
They can be pulled out at any time.

2017
03:13:08,820 --> 03:13:12,180
For a long time, I would use the White House as my address for like everything.

2018
03:13:12,180 --> 03:13:17,940
Nice. Netflix. My, my address was the White House the whole time.

2019
03:13:17,940 --> 03:13:23,540
I have to imagine some random junk mail was addressed to me and sent to the White House

2020
03:13:23,540 --> 03:13:26,580
and thrown out at some point. Nice. Pretty cool.

2021
03:13:26,580 --> 03:13:27,620
That's actually pretty big.

2022
03:13:29,620 --> 03:13:31,780
I'm relatively certain that happened.

2023
03:13:33,860 --> 03:13:40,660
Very little. I basically use a VPN exclusively for Linux ISOs.

2024
03:13:42,980 --> 03:13:46,020
Cause I never know when I'm going to want to like fire up a game and I don't want to

2025
03:13:46,020 --> 03:13:49,780
have to like remember to turn off my VPN and I could configure it to only,

2026
03:13:50,740 --> 03:13:55,300
you know, use certain applications through the VPN, but I have not been arsed

2027
03:13:55,380 --> 03:13:57,780
to do that. So that's where we're at on that.

2028
03:14:00,740 --> 03:14:05,780
I mean, this is, this is, this is a terrible take, but I have nothing to hide.

2029
03:14:06,420 --> 03:14:10,900
Well, that is a terrible take. And that's not even what you believe.

2030
03:14:10,900 --> 03:14:13,700
But I have nothing to hide in a non-oppressive regime

2031
03:14:15,220 --> 03:14:19,460
and in a, in a societal position of strength. That's still a bad take.

2032
03:14:19,460 --> 03:14:26,020
It's a terrible, I just told you it's a terrible take. I think your thing is more that everything's already been breached.

2033
03:14:26,020 --> 03:14:34,740
My privacy ship sailed. Yeah. So long ago that even if I did have stuff to hide, I would have basically no hope of,

2034
03:14:34,740 --> 03:14:41,540
you know, concealing it from the next. It's like locking the Windows when all your doors are off the hinges.

2035
03:14:42,100 --> 03:14:48,580
It's like, well, all right. And I'm not saying that anything that I'm doing applies to any of you guys.

2036
03:14:48,580 --> 03:14:50,980
And there are still some privacy steps that you take.

2037
03:14:52,020 --> 03:14:54,420
Like what? There are some. Oh yeah, I take some.

2038
03:14:55,140 --> 03:15:00,180
But you're just not that into it because you're pretty compromised already.

2039
03:15:00,180 --> 03:15:06,580
And, and realistically, right? Like I really found that, that the amount of interest in my private life

2040
03:15:06,580 --> 03:15:11,700
and my private life's details declined sharply when I just started publishing it.

2041
03:15:12,260 --> 03:15:17,300
Like when it was hugely, hugely life changing for me,

2042
03:15:17,300 --> 03:15:20,660
when we published the address of Linus Media Group on Google Maps.

2043
03:15:21,700 --> 03:15:26,180
Because all of a sudden, all of the, oh, where's the office?

2044
03:15:26,180 --> 03:15:30,340
Where are they based? Blah, blah, blah, just went away. Just completely went away.

2045
03:15:32,260 --> 03:15:35,620
And, you know, there's obviously still steps that we take with respect to

2046
03:15:35,620 --> 03:15:42,500
physical privacy and security. But, you know, I, I'm not deluded, right?

2047
03:15:42,500 --> 03:15:45,540
Like I'm obviously aware that I drive a pretty distinctive car.

2048
03:15:45,860 --> 03:15:52,340
That is a decision that I have made, knowing what the security and privacy implications are.

2049
03:15:53,060 --> 03:15:58,340
I don't think that I'm a particularly polarizing figure for the most part.

2050
03:15:58,900 --> 03:16:03,540
You know, it does only take one completely deranged person, I guess, at the end of the day.

2051
03:16:03,540 --> 03:16:09,620
But like, I don't actually see anybody being like that mad about like a bad review on an

2052
03:16:09,620 --> 03:16:12,900
Intel CPU or whatever. I just don't really. I feel like it was worse back in the day.

2053
03:16:12,900 --> 03:16:16,420
Yeah. Like back in the. Like cheese melts best or whatever.

2054
03:16:16,420 --> 03:16:20,020
Like I don't, I don't see anybody actually being like that angry about anything that we talk about.

2055
03:16:20,020 --> 03:16:29,140
That I could see people being really, very angry about. But like, I, I got more like, I can't even remember the last one at this point.

2056
03:16:29,780 --> 03:16:33,540
But I, I got them relatively frequently back in the house.

2057
03:16:33,540 --> 03:16:39,940
I would get like death threats and stuff. Remember somebody sent me like a long essay on how they, with details of how they wanted to

2058
03:16:39,940 --> 03:16:43,700
murder me because of a review I did on something back in the day. Nice.

2059
03:16:43,700 --> 03:16:46,820
And I was like as nuts. I sound like a cool person. Yeah.

2060
03:16:46,820 --> 03:16:50,660
I was like, uh, probably not gonna happen. Probably lots of women.

2061
03:16:52,260 --> 03:16:56,980
Probably pillows. I mean, well, yeah, I didn't say they were real.

2062
03:17:01,380 --> 03:17:05,060
Yeah, I don't know. I just kind of wrote. Trig says, just don't talk about bowing.

2063
03:17:09,620 --> 03:17:11,300
Yeah, don't review. Don't review a plane.

2064
03:17:13,780 --> 03:17:16,900
Well, a bowing plane. I guess. Yeah, not a bowing plane.

2065
03:17:16,900 --> 03:17:21,140
What about like a Dassault plane? Just curious. I'm just, it's a random manufacturer.

2066
03:17:21,700 --> 03:17:24,820
Pull it out of thin air. Yeah, sounds probably fine.

2067
03:17:24,820 --> 03:17:27,860
Probably not big enough, not murderous enough. Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2068
03:17:27,860 --> 03:17:30,580
I'm just checking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

2069
03:17:32,260 --> 03:17:35,700
Hey, Dan Land and the man, here is my interest.

2070
03:17:35,700 --> 03:17:38,820
Like hypothetically a Falcon 50. Just hypothetically.

2071
03:17:38,820 --> 03:17:42,100
Reviewing that. Yeah. Like if we made a video on that.

2072
03:17:42,100 --> 03:17:46,340
I think that'd be pretty cool, actually. I'm just curious. I don't think the company would try to murder you.

2073
03:17:47,700 --> 03:17:52,180
I think it would be an interesting challenge from an artistic perspective

2074
03:17:52,180 --> 03:17:56,900
to have you try to review something that is so traditionally outside of your wheelhouse.

2075
03:17:56,900 --> 03:18:00,660
Yeah, for sure. Your hanger. Yeah. Oh, I like that.

2076
03:18:00,660 --> 03:18:04,340
There we go. It's a weird thing to call it, but sure.

2077
03:18:12,180 --> 03:18:17,220
Sorry, go ahead. No, that's fine. Hey, Dan Land and the man, here's my interest free loan.

2078
03:18:17,220 --> 03:18:20,740
How does full plane differ from other creator run content platforms?

2079
03:18:20,740 --> 03:18:24,420
How is it better or worse than them? Can you guess who the man is?

2080
03:18:26,820 --> 03:18:29,700
Luke? What? Sure. Let's go with Luke.

2081
03:18:30,340 --> 03:18:33,780
Sorry, what was the thing? Dan Land and the man.

2082
03:18:33,780 --> 03:18:36,420
They wanted us to guess who the man is because Land could be either of us.

2083
03:18:38,100 --> 03:18:43,220
I don't know. Oh, man. Oh, I saw you were ready for that one.

2084
03:18:43,220 --> 03:18:46,820
Dude, that was so good. That was crazy. Oh, that was nuts.

2085
03:18:46,820 --> 03:18:51,860
Nailed it. That was actually wild. Oh, man.

2086
03:18:53,060 --> 03:18:53,940
That was awesome.

2087
03:18:56,180 --> 03:19:00,420
This is a high note. Are there more merch messages? Because I just want to end this show now.

2088
03:19:00,420 --> 03:19:03,300
That was awesome. That was pretty good. Wrap it up, everyone.

2089
03:19:04,500 --> 03:19:07,700
Oh, that was great. No, no, no. Sorry, we got a few more.

2090
03:19:07,700 --> 03:19:10,820
We got a few more. We got a few more. Wow. Yeah.

2091
03:19:10,820 --> 03:19:14,100
So how does Floatplane differ from other creator-run content platforms?

2092
03:19:16,020 --> 03:19:20,900
I wouldn't say that functionally, it's that different, right?

2093
03:19:20,900 --> 03:19:24,820
Like, it's a way to safeguard our income streams.

2094
03:19:24,820 --> 03:19:28,740
You guys saw, Floatplane makes up, I think it's 7% of our total income.

2095
03:19:28,740 --> 03:19:32,740
We're actually over 40,000 subscribers on Floatplane right now.

2096
03:19:32,740 --> 03:19:35,220
So thank you guys so much for your incredible support.

2097
03:19:36,100 --> 03:19:41,380
It's a way of engaging more closely with our most committed community members.

2098
03:19:41,380 --> 03:19:48,580
So it's awesome that way. You get extraism behind the scenes, a little bit of early access sprinkled in here and there,

2099
03:19:48,580 --> 03:19:52,020
secret shoppers doing early access this time around on Floatplane.

2100
03:19:52,020 --> 03:19:55,940
So they all kind of, I would say, function the same way.

2101
03:19:55,940 --> 03:19:59,300
But what I'd say is really cool about Floatplane. Similar way.

2102
03:19:59,300 --> 03:20:04,020
Yeah, yeah, similar way. I think the main dividing line between the platforms is the subscription

2103
03:20:04,980 --> 03:20:09,380
model. Sure. Yeah, whether it's a subscription, like in all you can eat for multiple creators,

2104
03:20:09,380 --> 03:20:14,580
or whether it's in-house for only one single creator, like we saw at Rooster Teeth,

2105
03:20:14,580 --> 03:20:18,020
or whether it's kind of, I'd say we're like kind of a hybrid,

2106
03:20:18,020 --> 03:20:22,100
where I'd say the closest thing we are to is something like a Patreon,

2107
03:20:22,100 --> 03:20:29,300
where you can sign up as a creator and then your money that you get from your subscribers is your

2108
03:20:29,380 --> 03:20:35,780
money, except the difference is that our fees are structured around being really

2109
03:20:37,060 --> 03:20:39,780
heavily focused on video content delivery.

2110
03:20:40,500 --> 03:20:43,780
There's also percentages and ours are flat rates.

2111
03:20:43,780 --> 03:20:51,140
Like there's little differences in the subscription model, but the overall flow of come to platform, pay money, receive content.

2112
03:20:52,100 --> 03:20:55,380
Pretty similar and not compete with YouTube. Yeah, yeah.

2113
03:20:55,380 --> 03:21:01,700
It's something that they all have in common. But I would say the thing that sets us apart the most is our team.

2114
03:21:01,700 --> 03:21:04,580
I think our team's super cool. I think our team's incredibly talented.

2115
03:21:05,460 --> 03:21:09,380
I'm not saying any of the other teams aren't cool or talented. I'm sure they're very cool and very talented.

2116
03:21:09,380 --> 03:21:13,540
But we like ours. But we really are super into ours.

2117
03:21:13,540 --> 03:21:17,620
And I think it's really incredible what they've done on the technology side.

2118
03:21:17,780 --> 03:21:27,140
I think from the outside, a lot of our stuff looks kind of basic sometimes.

2119
03:21:27,860 --> 03:21:32,580
And we kind of honestly suck at some of the more business-y sides of things.

2120
03:21:32,580 --> 03:21:37,380
The fact that we still don't have a trial, sort of embarrassing, we know that.

2121
03:21:38,420 --> 03:21:44,900
There's a few things like that. There's a few things like that. But in terms of the player tech, it's really good.

2122
03:21:45,700 --> 03:21:51,540
In terms of the CDN, I don't even want to call it platform.

2123
03:21:51,540 --> 03:21:55,220
Because it's more of like, how would I even describe it?

2124
03:21:55,220 --> 03:22:01,620
Like the CDN web that exists to serve the video on the back end

2125
03:22:01,620 --> 03:22:06,900
is like a combination of off-the-shelf and custom and both.

2126
03:22:06,900 --> 03:22:13,940
So a couple of things. One, the player tech was mostly really fantastic a while ago.

2127
03:22:14,100 --> 03:22:19,460
I think we peaked in, I'm not very good with dates.

2128
03:22:19,460 --> 03:22:21,940
I'm going to guess like 2018 with the color thing.

2129
03:22:22,500 --> 03:22:30,260
That's pretty cool. That was pretty wild. We were legitimately the only ones able to serve full color on Chrome.

2130
03:22:30,260 --> 03:22:33,780
And I think it was Firefox at the time. Non-edge browsers. Yeah, it was weird.

2131
03:22:33,780 --> 03:22:40,180
There was a situation where Netflix was advertising people watching Netflix in edge.

2132
03:22:40,500 --> 03:22:44,500
But that was not a thing that Microsoft was sponsoring them to do.

2133
03:22:45,300 --> 03:22:49,220
They were telling people to watch it in edge because it was the only way that you could get full color.

2134
03:22:49,220 --> 03:22:52,340
Like proper color. Like it wasn't like washed out or it wasn't like shifted.

2135
03:22:52,340 --> 03:22:59,220
It was really weird. But while they were running those advertisements, we had a player that could play full color in those other browsers,

2136
03:22:59,220 --> 03:23:07,060
which was really sick. These days, we tend to give better quality video.

2137
03:23:07,940 --> 03:23:12,420
But there isn't as much special differentiating sauce in the player.

2138
03:23:12,420 --> 03:23:15,540
I'm just being honest. Yeah. And then what was the other thing that you said?

2139
03:23:16,500 --> 03:23:22,260
There was the player. Public CDN site. Oh yeah, CDN site. So we made this thing called float CDN back in the day,

2140
03:23:22,260 --> 03:23:28,260
where it was a multi CDN solution. So we could automatically kind of like switch between which one was the cheapest.

2141
03:23:28,260 --> 03:23:31,700
The due to bargaining and whatnot.

2142
03:23:31,700 --> 03:23:36,100
These days, it's like for VOD, it's like pretty much just Cloudflare.

2143
03:23:36,180 --> 03:23:38,100
But we still have the tool. It just doesn't.

2144
03:23:39,300 --> 03:23:42,340
And if our deal with Cloudflare changed. We can turn it on.

2145
03:23:42,340 --> 03:23:45,620
Pray I don't alter it any further, you know. Yeah. Then we have that.

2146
03:23:45,620 --> 03:23:49,540
Yeah. Which is pretty cool because we were operating extremely bootstrap.

2147
03:23:49,540 --> 03:23:56,740
And so just, I don't know, let's just hire someone who knows AWS and implement that.

2148
03:23:56,740 --> 03:24:01,060
That was not an option. We needed to generate revenue month to month.

2149
03:24:01,060 --> 03:24:07,140
I mean, it was an option if we just wanted to lose more money. No, well, I mean, it wasn't under the marching orders that you gave us at the time,

2150
03:24:07,140 --> 03:24:11,620
which is still the marching orders that we have, which is that it needs to be resilient.

2151
03:24:11,620 --> 03:24:17,540
One of your biggest things was like, it needs to continue to exist. Because at that point in time, the biggest problem with these platforms is they pop up

2152
03:24:17,540 --> 03:24:21,540
for a year, maybe a year and a half, maybe two years and then die.

2153
03:24:21,540 --> 03:24:26,500
And they would just disappear. And it was really frustrating for creators because you bring your audience to this thing.

2154
03:24:26,500 --> 03:24:35,620
Yeah. And then it's just gone. And I actually forgot, one of the other major pillars was no fang should be able to just

2155
03:24:35,620 --> 03:24:42,500
arbitrarily decide that you don't exist anymore. And that's a huge part of the way that Floatplane is architected.

2156
03:24:42,500 --> 03:24:48,900
No fang company, and I guess fang's like the old one, Marvelous 7 or whatever it is.

2157
03:24:49,780 --> 03:24:52,420
No one entity can just be like, yeah, no.

2158
03:24:52,980 --> 03:24:58,420
And there's stuff where like OVH, for example, if OVH just pulled the plug,

2159
03:24:58,500 --> 03:25:01,780
it would hurt, we're not gone.

2160
03:25:02,660 --> 03:25:07,140
We might be gone temporarily. Have you ever publicly acknowledged like how much of our hosting is in OVH?

2161
03:25:08,180 --> 03:25:11,540
A lot of it is. It's not all. Okay. I'm just wondering if we've ever publicly acknowledged that.

2162
03:25:11,540 --> 03:25:15,380
You used to be very squeamish about like talking about where anything was hosted or

2163
03:25:15,380 --> 03:25:18,580
anything, security through obscurity. I think I have mentioned it since.

2164
03:25:18,580 --> 03:25:23,060
It's so like, I don't love talking about this stuff, but it is very easy.

2165
03:25:23,060 --> 03:25:26,420
Like if someone's interested, you can figure that out pretty easily.

2166
03:25:26,420 --> 03:25:31,380
I'm just checking. I never know where your comfort zone is. Like I actually messaged him earlier today.

2167
03:25:31,380 --> 03:25:35,860
We had an old video idea. I've been going through our doc and kind of categorizing things.

2168
03:25:35,860 --> 03:25:40,180
My answer is probably not, but honestly, just because it's less interesting these days.

2169
03:25:40,180 --> 03:25:44,420
Like that thing with the player. I think you underestimate. It used to be more interesting.

2170
03:25:44,420 --> 03:25:47,460
Yeah, but we could include some of the history, which I think would be super cool,

2171
03:25:47,460 --> 03:25:50,420
because it's stuff we've never talked about.

2172
03:25:51,460 --> 03:25:55,460
And I think it would be a chance to highlight some of the accomplishments of that team, which I think would be super cool.

2173
03:25:55,460 --> 03:25:58,020
Yeah, it could be pretty cool. See, I know how to tug on his heart straight.

2174
03:26:01,220 --> 03:26:05,540
I'm like the AI chatbot with the researchers. I've been thoroughly briefed on him.

2175
03:26:06,180 --> 03:26:11,540
And I know how, I know which strings to pull, but think of highlighting your team and their accomplishments.

2176
03:26:11,540 --> 03:26:16,740
Luke, I wasn't on board until he said that.

2177
03:26:16,740 --> 03:26:21,540
And then yeah, now I'm kind of down. But yeah, I know we had an idea to just do like, how does flow?

2178
03:26:21,540 --> 03:26:24,820
What, what the heck is the plan and how does it actually work?

2179
03:26:24,820 --> 03:26:26,740
There might be a really good timing for this.

2180
03:26:27,940 --> 03:26:31,380
Is that what made you think about it? That's part of it. Yeah, that makes sense.

2181
03:26:33,060 --> 03:26:36,580
Okay. Is that a good enough answer on that?

2182
03:26:37,860 --> 03:26:41,620
Cool. I forgot what the question was, but probably not. Yeah, it's probably good.

2183
03:26:41,620 --> 03:26:44,500
Okay, yeah, cool. Let's see.

2184
03:26:45,380 --> 03:26:48,660
Dan, Dan, Dan, Luke, Newcombe and Linus.

2185
03:26:48,660 --> 03:26:51,860
Linus, have you ever considered using magnetic starting zippers?

2186
03:26:52,980 --> 03:26:59,620
No, I've never heard of that. So you, they just like magnet together at the bottom and then you zip it?

2187
03:27:02,500 --> 03:27:08,820
Man, this really is feeling a little bit like a zipper magnet type.

2188
03:27:08,820 --> 03:27:14,820
Okay, what am I looking at? YKK America's group, 1.39,000 subscribers.

2189
03:27:16,500 --> 03:27:18,820
What? Oh, that's sick. What?

2190
03:27:19,620 --> 03:27:25,860
That's, I'm sorry, what? Am I just being like, old man yells at cloud, like this seems unnecessary.

2191
03:27:25,860 --> 03:27:34,100
It does seem highly unnecessary. I think it helps people who maybe don't have the dexterity to be able to attach a zipper together.

2192
03:27:34,100 --> 03:27:34,900
Oh, that makes sense.

2193
03:27:37,380 --> 03:27:38,340
Very wise if you did.

2194
03:27:40,740 --> 03:27:44,820
I've never seen one of these. I've never seen that before. That's, that's kind of cool.

2195
03:27:46,340 --> 03:27:51,620
No, I have never heard of that and never considered it, but I, I guess it's on, it's on my radar now.

2196
03:27:51,620 --> 03:27:59,860
Thank you. Hi, early.dll might be in still in discussions or I've yet to watch delayed watch,

2197
03:27:59,860 --> 03:28:03,300
but will the gift cards only be usable in the US store?

2198
03:28:03,300 --> 03:28:07,140
Thanks and understand the headache. I believe there's an FAQ.

2199
03:28:10,180 --> 03:28:14,260
Oops, sorry, that's old. I'm gonna split into two.

2200
03:28:14,260 --> 03:28:17,140
Yeah, here we go. Control F gift.

2201
03:28:18,020 --> 03:28:22,180
I live outside, want to sing. What will happen to gift cards on LTT Store?

2202
03:28:22,180 --> 03:28:26,420
If you live in the United States, your existing gift cards will remain usable as, as before.

2203
03:28:26,420 --> 03:28:29,780
If you live elsewhere in the world, your gift card will be moved to global.lttstore.com.

2204
03:28:29,780 --> 03:28:32,820
And the amount will be adjusted to reflect the current USD CAD exchange rate.

2205
03:28:32,820 --> 03:28:39,540
Please note that this migration may take some time to complete. We anticipate that all gift cards should be migrated by May the 9th, 2025.

2206
03:28:41,140 --> 03:28:44,820
When purchasing gift cards in the future, ensure your gift card matches the region of the purchase

2207
03:28:45,460 --> 03:28:49,780
of the person you intend to send the gift card to. For example, if you live in the United States,

2208
03:28:49,780 --> 03:28:52,500
but want to send a gift card to a friend in Canada.

2209
03:28:55,060 --> 03:29:01,780
Hello, Dennis Tuke and Wanny. I want to replace my router without reconnecting all my devices.

2210
03:29:01,780 --> 03:29:04,900
How can I do this? I looked on the LTT forum and didn't see anything.

2211
03:29:04,900 --> 03:29:09,220
Theoretically, you can just change the SSID in the password to the same thing that they were before.

2212
03:29:09,220 --> 03:29:11,780
In practice, I found it doesn't always work. Good luck.

2213
03:29:12,580 --> 03:29:18,180
Which would be a good thing. But not a convenient thing.

2214
03:29:18,180 --> 03:29:22,100
True, but you don't want that to happen. Just being clear.

2215
03:29:23,700 --> 03:29:27,220
Hey guys, Luke, what is usually breakfast of choice?

2216
03:29:27,220 --> 03:29:30,260
Chicken breast. Nothing. That's terrible.

2217
03:29:30,260 --> 03:29:33,700
I tend to skip breakfast. Black coffee. I have coffee too. Black coffee.

2218
03:29:33,700 --> 03:29:36,340
I drink coffee. I microwaved a corn on the cob this morning.

2219
03:29:38,260 --> 03:29:39,540
I felt that in my soul.

2220
03:29:41,940 --> 03:29:45,140
What? Corn is a delicious and nutritious. No, just like the vibe.

2221
03:29:46,020 --> 03:29:52,180
Just like me. My wife doesn't love me, so I put corn in the microwave.

2222
03:29:53,540 --> 03:29:57,540
No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. She does. No, I'm a heathen and I don't like eggs.

2223
03:29:57,540 --> 03:30:00,820
I wish I did. Actually, no, that wasn't today. But I don't.

2224
03:30:00,820 --> 03:30:02,980
Today, I had a dentist appointment in the morning and I couldn't eat.

2225
03:30:04,660 --> 03:30:09,700
But yeah, most breakfast food I'm not into. I love cereal, but cereal is like sugar.

2226
03:30:09,700 --> 03:30:14,980
Cereal is like a dessert food. Cereal is actual sugar. Starting your day with dessert, maybe not the best strat.

2227
03:30:14,980 --> 03:30:19,060
Yeah, I haven't finished it yet, but I've read a considerable amount of sugar, salt and fat

2228
03:30:19,060 --> 03:30:25,380
or salt, sugar, fat, whatever that book. That's basically about how big food in this,

2229
03:30:25,380 --> 03:30:31,700
like especially in the 90s, basically was like, ah, all of you and put sugar in everything

2230
03:30:31,700 --> 03:30:36,020
until we all got diabetes. What happens when we subsidize corn

2231
03:30:37,220 --> 03:30:41,300
and people make corn syrup? What happens now?

2232
03:30:41,940 --> 03:30:46,020
It's honestly, it's not even that conspiracy theory.

2233
03:30:46,020 --> 03:30:51,700
They just like discovered the bliss point, essentially, in food engineering.

2234
03:30:51,700 --> 03:30:55,940
And we're like, oh, so we just put more of this in it

2235
03:30:55,940 --> 03:30:59,780
and then people will literally start to develop addictive behaviors around our food.

2236
03:30:59,780 --> 03:31:03,620
It's wild. What stuff, like when you read labels and things

2237
03:31:03,620 --> 03:31:08,180
like beef jerky, why does beef jerky have sugar in it? Yeah, because it's delicious.

2238
03:31:08,180 --> 03:31:13,060
I assumed it would be salt and beef. Dude, they literally hooked up like brainwave

2239
03:31:13,060 --> 03:31:16,420
monitoring crap on kids and then gave them dozens

2240
03:31:16,420 --> 03:31:20,340
of formulations of Oreos and then saw which one lit up the pleasure centers the most.

2241
03:31:21,060 --> 03:31:24,180
And then we're like, that one. That makes sense.

2242
03:31:24,180 --> 03:31:27,860
Oh, yeah. Me plus sugar is good though. Literally though.

2243
03:31:28,260 --> 03:31:31,060
Damn, dude. We have salt way too much sugar.

2244
03:31:31,780 --> 03:31:34,980
Yep. All right. Hi, LDL. Love the show.

2245
03:31:34,980 --> 03:31:38,100
Been watching for years. Professional curiosity here,

2246
03:31:38,100 --> 03:31:41,540
but do you know what data visualization software you use at LTT?

2247
03:31:41,540 --> 03:31:45,620
Nope. Data visualization software?

2248
03:31:46,260 --> 03:31:49,940
I wasn't sure if they were talking about graphs or anything else.

2249
03:31:49,940 --> 03:31:51,780
Because wow, we use a bunch to be honest.

2250
03:31:53,380 --> 03:31:58,020
Grafana is the first one that jumps to mind. Cool. Because we use it in multiple parts of the company.

2251
03:32:00,020 --> 03:32:04,180
High charts is, is it high charts? I'm pretty sure it's high charts.

2252
03:32:04,180 --> 03:32:09,220
It's one that we use for the Labs website. If you can't remember, maybe using it too much.

2253
03:32:09,860 --> 03:32:12,980
Using it too much. Yeah. That's why you can't remember. Yeah. High charts.

2254
03:32:14,180 --> 03:32:16,820
Oh, damn, man.

2255
03:32:17,780 --> 03:32:21,940
You have to get it first. Delay and got a vacation.

2256
03:32:21,940 --> 03:32:25,380
Come on. And there's, there's a bunch of other ones.

2257
03:32:26,580 --> 03:32:30,020
Cabana, I, that name rings too much of a bell.

2258
03:32:30,020 --> 03:32:33,380
I'm sure that's somewhere. There's so many.

2259
03:32:33,380 --> 03:32:36,660
There's so many. I mean, if you go on the infrastructure side, there's like a trillion.

2260
03:32:37,700 --> 03:32:41,380
Because like this one or that one's better at this thing or that thing and whatever else.

2261
03:32:42,580 --> 03:32:45,700
I don't know. We even make our own sometimes.

2262
03:32:46,340 --> 03:32:49,780
Tooljet. We got that going on.

2263
03:32:49,780 --> 03:32:54,100
Could you count air table? Probably. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. That's just got a chart in it.

2264
03:32:54,100 --> 03:32:57,700
Oh yeah. Yeah. We have data. Cryons. Count Google Sheets. Freaking everything.

2265
03:32:57,700 --> 03:33:00,020
Man. Yeah. Like my goodness. I don't know.

2266
03:33:00,820 --> 03:33:05,220
D3JS and ChartJS sometimes. Google Sheets charts. Yeah. Conrad threw those in.

2267
03:33:05,220 --> 03:33:07,380
Yeah. Man. There's like, I don't know. Name it.

2268
03:33:08,820 --> 03:33:09,860
We probably use it somewhere.

2269
03:33:13,140 --> 03:33:18,260
Aloha DLL. I remember a while ago mentioning a video about a steam deck

2270
03:33:18,260 --> 03:33:21,300
as a daily desktop computer. Did that ever release?

2271
03:33:21,300 --> 03:33:24,900
I don't think we ever like committed to daily driving it.

2272
03:33:24,900 --> 03:33:31,140
But we did do this one where we compared it to a PC for about the same price from like a performance

2273
03:33:31,140 --> 03:33:34,020
and general usage standpoint.

2274
03:33:34,980 --> 03:33:37,940
So that was pretty cool. So you could kind of check that out.

2275
03:33:38,580 --> 03:33:39,860
So if you get your beard back.

2276
03:33:42,100 --> 03:33:45,460
Oh yeah. I've made progress, Dan. And grow your hair a little bit.

2277
03:33:45,460 --> 03:33:49,780
I am going to complete my bike before Luke finishes Final Fantasy 6.

2278
03:33:50,340 --> 03:33:53,540
That's very exciting. I am. I will.

2279
03:33:53,540 --> 03:33:55,140
Check this out. I have real.

2280
03:33:57,220 --> 03:34:01,140
I've progressed. Have you. I didn't tell you when you told me about your bike thing

2281
03:34:01,140 --> 03:34:04,180
because I didn't know if you're going to mention it on Wansha or not. But I have progressed.

2282
03:34:04,180 --> 03:34:07,300
I progressed before you sent me the bike stuff. Uh-oh.

2283
03:34:07,300 --> 03:34:12,580
Okay. It's still on. It's on. Oh, that's the wrong person whose name starts with a D.

2284
03:34:12,580 --> 03:34:16,020
Hold on one second. And I'm going on a trip soon with a lot of long flights.

2285
03:34:17,060 --> 03:34:20,420
Are they hard? Are they long and hard?

2286
03:34:20,420 --> 03:34:24,260
They've got it. Technically the plane, it has some girth to it. And it is a tube.

2287
03:34:24,900 --> 03:34:28,260
Can't even get both your hands around it. No. It's just factually correct.

2288
03:34:29,220 --> 03:34:32,660
But who makes it? Is it DeSalle? Uh-oh. I'm just curious.

2289
03:34:32,660 --> 03:34:36,420
It's hypothetical. Probably not in this case.

2290
03:34:36,420 --> 03:34:40,420
Probably not. Yeah, probably not. Probably very likely Boeing.

2291
03:34:41,220 --> 03:34:44,020
Uh-oh. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. You should get one that's straight.

2292
03:34:46,740 --> 03:34:50,420
Sure. Sure. This is a stretch there, bud.

2293
03:34:51,380 --> 03:34:57,620
Whoa, that looks nice. It was determined that if you deal with stocks

2294
03:34:57,620 --> 03:35:00,820
while you're on a plane that is actively crashing, it's not insider trading.

2295
03:35:00,820 --> 03:35:05,220
Really? Yes. So if you're like on a Boeing

2296
03:35:05,220 --> 03:35:08,340
and the door flies off and your plane's going to crash. You should sell.

2297
03:35:08,340 --> 03:35:12,500
You could whip the laptop out. Short Boeing. And buy shorts.

2298
03:35:12,500 --> 03:35:16,740
Okay. Only if the end's like, why if I works?

2299
03:35:18,740 --> 03:35:22,100
Oh, I did it wrong. Go, go. They're a bike. Okay.

2300
03:35:22,100 --> 03:35:26,820
So what we're looking at here is every piece of the bike

2301
03:35:27,940 --> 03:35:32,740
at a minimum primed. Are you, do you need multiple coats of priming?

2302
03:35:34,820 --> 03:35:38,500
Because they look like they're in different states. So the primer is gray.

2303
03:35:39,540 --> 03:35:44,900
Okay. So what we're looking at right now is everything completed priming.

2304
03:35:44,900 --> 03:35:49,220
Okay. So that's like a DTM direct to metal, metal primer.

2305
03:35:49,220 --> 03:35:52,980
And then, Dan, what are you doing, bud? Well, now you can talk about it and then you can see it.

2306
03:35:52,980 --> 03:35:56,740
Keep moving it. Yeah, no, no, no, no. Keep it, keep it big. Keep it big. Okay, all right, fine.

2307
03:35:56,740 --> 03:36:01,620
Okay, some of the pieces are fully coated in white.

2308
03:36:01,620 --> 03:36:07,300
I need white in order to get a vibrant pink. I discovered this when I was doing the many experiments

2309
03:36:07,300 --> 03:36:12,340
that I've done over the last couple of years. So I need a nice, even vibrant white

2310
03:36:12,340 --> 03:36:16,100
in order to get a nice, even vibrant pink, which is what I'm going for.

2311
03:36:16,820 --> 03:36:20,260
So there's a couple of pieces in between the two wheels

2312
03:36:21,300 --> 03:36:23,620
that are done, done in the white.

2313
03:36:24,580 --> 03:36:28,180
However, a lot of my white stuff that I have coated

2314
03:36:29,220 --> 03:36:34,580
either had like issues with the coating because I had not really gotten good with the white paint yet,

2315
03:36:34,580 --> 03:36:39,460
or has been damaged because I didn't actually have my setup

2316
03:36:39,460 --> 03:36:42,740
such that I could hang every single piece at once before.

2317
03:36:42,740 --> 03:36:48,740
And that caused a ton of problems for me, like just a ton of rework and resending and recoding

2318
03:36:48,740 --> 03:36:54,340
and then doing it again. So I finally just put another rack in there

2319
03:36:54,340 --> 03:36:57,620
so I can actually hang every single piece of it all at the same time now.

2320
03:36:58,900 --> 03:37:03,460
So some of them, so you can see on the front fairing there on the far left, top left,

2321
03:37:04,340 --> 03:37:08,180
there's like some blasted bits of primer over top of the white.

2322
03:37:08,180 --> 03:37:13,060
That's areas where the white was damaged or the coverage wasn't very good and I need to hit it again.

2323
03:37:13,060 --> 03:37:16,660
The close left portion, is that shadow? No.

2324
03:37:16,660 --> 03:37:19,700
So that's primer spray there. Yeah, that's a quick spray of primer over a spot

2325
03:37:19,700 --> 03:37:23,940
that was down to the bare plastic on that one. I could tell in some other spots, but there I wasn't sure.

2326
03:37:25,300 --> 03:37:31,780
And then I am going to be, so the next stage is I'm going to be doing

2327
03:37:31,780 --> 03:37:36,260
like a quick touch up blast of white on some of the ones that just were spot primed.

2328
03:37:36,980 --> 03:37:40,980
Then I'm going to be doing a full coat of white on any of the ones that are gray.

2329
03:37:40,980 --> 03:37:44,020
So those are mostly the one center frame and at the bottom left rack.

2330
03:37:44,820 --> 03:37:48,900
Then I will do a full finish, a second coat of white

2331
03:37:48,900 --> 03:37:52,740
on all the ones that just were like spot primed or spot whited.

2332
03:37:53,380 --> 03:37:57,220
And then I will do a second coat of white on the ones that just got their first coat of white.

2333
03:37:57,220 --> 03:38:01,620
And that'll be like probably a three hour session,

2334
03:38:01,620 --> 03:38:04,260
three and a half hour session. And then everything will be white.

2335
03:38:05,380 --> 03:38:08,980
Are you still committed to growing the beard back out once you're done?

2336
03:38:08,980 --> 03:38:13,780
That'll be up to you, Vaughn, just like it always is. Sure, fair enough. So after white, hold on, bring the picture back.

2337
03:38:13,780 --> 03:38:18,100
Bring the picture back. So after white, the next thing that I need to do

2338
03:38:18,740 --> 03:38:26,500
is spray the wheels, pink, specifically the wheels, both sides.

2339
03:38:27,780 --> 03:38:31,060
Then I need to mask, you can actually...

2340
03:38:31,060 --> 03:38:35,860
Oh, I don't know if you can see it on the picture. That picture is there to be my inspiration in the top middle.

2341
03:38:36,900 --> 03:38:40,260
Okay, yeah, yeah. Get a zoom. Zoom, zoom, zoom.

2342
03:38:40,260 --> 03:38:43,780
Is this going to work? Okay, you can't really see it.

2343
03:38:43,780 --> 03:38:47,940
But I want each of the wheels to have a pink stripe around it.

2344
03:38:48,260 --> 03:38:52,980
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to paint them pink, but like minimally, I'm only going to be focused on the area

2345
03:38:52,980 --> 03:38:55,540
where like the stripe is as long as I can get a nice even coat.

2346
03:38:56,100 --> 03:38:59,860
Then I tape that off and paint the whole wheel black.

2347
03:39:01,620 --> 03:39:02,580
Then I clear coat.

2348
03:39:04,740 --> 03:39:08,180
That's going to look sick. It's going to look awesome. That's going to look so good. That's going to look great.

2349
03:39:08,180 --> 03:39:11,220
Let's hope. I thought you were going to say green and I was like, what? Get it?

2350
03:39:11,220 --> 03:39:16,180
Gross. No, no, it's going to be pink and black. Yeah. And it's like a super cool pink.

2351
03:39:16,180 --> 03:39:22,900
That's sweet. It has like an effect crap that they add to it.

2352
03:39:22,900 --> 03:39:28,180
I mean, it's so long since I did it. The pearlescent flaking rim. Yeah, like a flaking or pearlescent thing.

2353
03:39:28,180 --> 03:39:34,820
Pearl, it's a pearl. It's like a purple pearl. So in the light, it'll kind of catch it and turn kind of blue-purple.

2354
03:39:34,820 --> 03:39:38,420
Cool. That'll be sweet. Yeah, I'm pretty excited.

2355
03:39:38,420 --> 03:39:46,180
Worth the no beard. And then honestly, I think that it's going to be a very imperfect job.

2356
03:39:47,220 --> 03:39:57,300
But I think I just accept that now. Like what I've discovered is that I picked basically hard mode by doing a,

2357
03:39:57,300 --> 03:40:04,980
so what is this? So prime, prime, white, white, maybe third coat white, depending on my coverage,

2358
03:40:04,980 --> 03:40:10,180
two coats pink, two coats effect layer, and then two to three coats of clear coat.

2359
03:40:10,180 --> 03:40:18,260
So this is anywhere from an 11 to 12 layer process on parts that have extremely irregular shapes.

2360
03:40:21,780 --> 03:40:26,260
It's basically like a nightmare paint job, which I didn't fully understand.

2361
03:40:26,260 --> 03:40:31,140
To go back and do it again. I definitely would have just done a solid color with no pearl and no nothing,

2362
03:40:31,140 --> 03:40:37,540
but at this point I'm unlocked. So I think that it probably won't look that good if you look closely,

2363
03:40:37,540 --> 03:40:42,340
but as long as it's like, realistically, if I'm riding safely, nobody should be within

2364
03:40:42,340 --> 03:40:47,220
about 10 feet of my bike anyway. So that's 10 foot job.

2365
03:40:49,460 --> 03:40:52,820
Is that all I got? Pause. Okay.

2366
03:40:52,820 --> 03:40:57,940
I mean, no, that's all. Oh my, that just made it so much worse.

2367
03:40:58,740 --> 03:41:02,980
So much worse. I don't even know what's coming. Don't. Oh my god.

2368
03:41:03,780 --> 03:41:07,460
Stop the show. Show is, show is. Oh my god.

2369
03:41:08,500 --> 03:41:11,780
What's in your bag? Come on, pull it out. Come on.

2370
03:41:12,900 --> 03:41:17,060
No, it's, oh, yeah, it's because I was grabbing something from the bag.

2371
03:41:17,060 --> 03:41:19,300
Yeah, he was. Is that what you call it?

2372
03:41:20,820 --> 03:41:24,980
Bag of tricks. So you need all your cash for it, right?

2373
03:41:29,780 --> 03:41:33,220
He doesn't know. I know he knows. That's why he kept it going for so long.

2374
03:41:33,220 --> 03:41:34,580
I have no idea what you're talking about.

2375
03:41:36,500 --> 03:41:40,660
Wait, really? I don't. Yeah, I also don't. That's his lying, his lying.

2376
03:41:40,660 --> 03:41:44,100
No, it's really not. I actually have no idea what you're talking about. I don't believe him.

2377
03:41:44,100 --> 03:41:47,460
Well, you mean, although like, do I know about that? I'm in you endowing?

2378
03:41:47,460 --> 03:41:50,980
Yes. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I have no idea. I was, no, I wasn't lying.

2379
03:41:50,980 --> 03:41:54,820
I was saying I had no idea what's in your bag. I don't know. No, that's just, I want you to look at one more thing

2380
03:41:54,820 --> 03:41:57,940
after the show on my laptop. That's completely unrelated. Oh, what?

2381
03:41:57,940 --> 03:42:00,820
Like after the show? Yeah. Wait, you're stalling the end of the show

2382
03:42:01,300 --> 03:42:04,820
You're stalling the end of the show. No, I thought you were saying that.

2383
03:42:04,820 --> 03:42:08,820
I thought you told them they have one more thing. No, no, no, no. Bear with me on this one.

2384
03:42:08,820 --> 03:42:13,380
You said pause. You said pause. No, I said pause because he said foot job.

2385
03:42:14,580 --> 03:42:18,580
Foot job? Yeah. Did I say foot job?

2386
03:42:19,380 --> 03:42:24,180
Ten foot job. Oh, come on.

2387
03:42:25,940 --> 03:42:29,300
That wasn't even intentional. What are you even talking about?

2388
03:42:31,140 --> 03:42:35,380
So basically you just gigantically cock teased them

2389
03:42:35,380 --> 03:42:39,780
for no reason. Oh my god. No, they got it. They got it. I got excited for nothing.

2390
03:42:39,780 --> 03:42:43,860
Chat understood. No, they thought there was another thing. No, chat understood.

2391
03:42:43,860 --> 03:42:45,940
Well, I mean, we're probably both right.

2392
03:42:48,340 --> 03:42:53,220
All right, well, we'll see you then next week. Same bad times, same bad channel.

2393
03:42:53,220 --> 03:42:53,540
Bye.

2394
03:43:01,780 --> 03:43:23,060
I think you're not going to care, but I still want you to see it anyways.

2395
03:43:23,060 --> 03:43:24,020
Thing for the all hands.