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It's not a long distance driver,

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but the main issues that I've seen people run into

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have actually not really been with anything that would bother a modern computer.

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It's mostly been around hard drives. So I remember there was this one guy

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that I was chatting with that actually had

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a Plex NAS running in his semi and he would just chew through hard drives.

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So as long as you're not, oh, you know what? Oh, we can go, oh, this is great.

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Oh, these straps, dude. Elijah, it's got the double straps,

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like a weightlifting belt. Yes, because I know what that is.

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You look like you would. I don't weight lift.

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I mean, I don't know, you look like you might have weight lifted at some point.

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I mean, I did when I did gymnastics, I guess. Okay, so that- But I didn't use a belt.

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Elijah, do you know what a weightlifting belt is? No, I just did it.

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Okay, all right, fine. Well, whatever.

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It has like the one strap and then the other strap,

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like double-sided velcro style. It keeps your organs from going spreeze.

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Yeah, so you can really strap down the cables back here,

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which I really like. That's awesome. Keep the computer's organs from going spreeze.

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Well, I mean, wouldn't you want to? I don't know.

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My computer's in the server rack. I don't care where its organs go. That's fair enough.

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How long is it's in the server rack? Anyway, so this-

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The server rack is like a weightlifting belt. Oh!

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I, okay. You're doing good, Linus. Thank you.

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Okay, so that can go a little something like that. Oh, dude, this is awesome.

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They've got little clips here to hold all of my stoops. Man, you're really, you're loving this case.

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I am loving this case. I'm trying to just make sure we're under the expectation

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of is it because it's that good of a case, or is it in comparison?

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And we actually get to compare three more. I know.

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I mean, I think that's a good question.

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I think it's a fair question. Overall, it's very thoughtful.

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And while some of these features might be relatively normal,

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I don't get to build in every case anymore these days.

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The implementation in this case is really good.

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Everything is just really well fought out, and I only had that one little situation

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where there was a small stumbling block. And other than that,

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it's been practically effortless for me to build

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a pretty fine looking computer.

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Like, okay, yeah, we could, you know, we could tuck this a little like that,

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tuck that a little like that. But overall, man, this came together so easily.

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I just got to plug in my RGB connector here, and then I'm good to go.

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And then we'll have to make sure we rate it properly. Oh, where did I, where did I leave off

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on that merge message? I feel like I wasn't quite done answering that. What was the question again?

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Something about cringe segues. You did say that. No, no, there was something else we were talking about.

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Help me out, chat.

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Yeah, there was, but it was... I was done with that merge message. I think we were moved on to something else.

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Yeah. Can I start reading another one?

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I can't remember. I don't know. We can do another one. Oh, the socks and sandals,

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and it was the cringiest, memorable segue. Building a semi in...

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the semi one. Right.

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So hard drives, big problem. Anything that's susceptible to damage from vibration,

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big problem. Modern system, I really wouldn't expect any issues.

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I would still, I would probably, like anything on a big rig,

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I would probably check on it once in a while and make sure that it hasn't vibrated itself loose.

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You know, I'd probably put some blue thread locker

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on all of your screws and stuff like that. You know, like I would just take the appropriate precautions,

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but other than that, no, yeah, go for it. I think that's a great idea.

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I've seen some pretty sick,

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like top of the cab, like sleep area gaming setups

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over the years, very cool. There's a religious WAN Show watcher

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who always shows off his sick gaming rig in his rig.

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So cool. A gaming rig, rig.

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Write that down, write that down. Yo, dawg, I heard you like rigs, so I put a rig in your rig.

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What would have been a great option for RG rig reboot? So you can rig while you rig.

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The rig, rig, reboot? The rig, rig, reboot, what, the... The wrong rig, rig, reboot.

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Okay, not the finest cable management of all time,

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but I suspect good enough that most people probably wouldn't care

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to put any more work into it. And because you've got those nice straps

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to keep everything nice and, you know, strapped down,

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boom, just pop it on like that and you're GGG.

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I love this case. I'm ready to score it.

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How did this go on? Don't worry, I got you. I got you, brother.

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So first, this one goes on. Oh. There's your problem.

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There's your problem right there. Okay. Oh, yeah, there, bud.

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Oh, yeah, bud. Oh, yeah, bud. Here you go, bud.

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I'm not your buddy, guy. I'm not your friend, buddy.

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I broke it. The amount of times you just randomly quote South Park in this office is too many times.

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We're adults. Oh, oh, is there no-

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I already peeled it. I already peeled it. Oh, now I just went and put fingerprints on it.

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Dang it, Linus. Okay. Alrighty.

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Price. It was 90 US dollars. I like.

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My wife. That is a fine looking build.

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Very fine, very build. Here, should we, oh, we never fired the other one up.

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No, no. What are we doing? Are we crazy? I don't think it was RGB.

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Oh, no, no. I thought I had some RGB in it, didn't it?

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Oh, balls. Right. There we go. Okay, okay.

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Boop. Ooh.

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Uh-oh. The CPU cooler's not. Oh, where's my RGB yet?

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Where's my RGB yet? I'm pretty sure I plugged it in. Oh, yeah, I see it.

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Unless I missed. I mean, it is a really horrible connector.

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Sometimes there can be gaps and you can accidentally plug all the pins

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into just like gaps in the housing around them.

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Oh yeah, no, there goes the cooler and there goes the front. There goes the front.

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Boom, look at that. That looks pretty good. That's a pretty looking little build. Okay, let's rate it.

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All right, price out of 10. Yes. It is a 90 dollar case.

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It is more expensive than the last one.

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Oh yeah. I can double check to confirm.

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I don't know if it's our most expensive one though.

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It is not our most expensive one.

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I'm going to go with another,

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oh man, it's really good. I'm going to go with an eight.

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On price. I'm going to go with eight on price. So the one that was $40 gets lower.

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But isn't price kind of inherently value? I guess we did, yeah, we can make the argument

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that it's value and I think you would say you- No, I think we were doing it the other way.

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No, you're right. Okay. Okay, so 90 dollar price, I mean, yeah,

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I'll give it a five. It's more expensive, yeah, right? That's the most that I would recommend spending on a case.

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And you feel like you got more than enough out of it. If you're not, you kind of don't care.

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Like if $20 means anything to you,

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don't be spending more than a hundred bucks on a case.

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So in terms of the value. Yeah, I'll give it a, I'll give it a,

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I'll give it a, but it's so, whoa, the value is so good.

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Six, six. Final answer. I'm putting it down.

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Okay, six. With features we gave an eight.

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Building experience. Ah, 10. You could not shut up, so yeah.

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I said I would take off one for not being able to put in that USB thing.

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Nine and a half. I also agree that 10 minus one is nine and a half.

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Nine and a half. All right. Okay. Cable management out of five.

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Four and a half, four.

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They could have had more grommets, four. Okay. Yeah.

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Does it get any bonuses? I feel like the fans being one cable.

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I like these Infinity Mirror included RGB fans.

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Like. GPU sag rack in. Of course there would charge us $90 for just these two fans.

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Okay, not quite, but still. I mean, you get what I'm talking about here, right?

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Easy compatibility for up to a triple radiator.

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Like with tons of room, like you could actually definitely have a radiator there.

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Definitely have a dual in the front.

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Three bonuses. Three bonus I, okay? Yeah.

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All right. Okay. Let me do my math. You're not gonna let me see it.

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Seven plus six is 13. Plus eight is 21.

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Plus nine point five is 30.5.

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That's pretty good. Yeah. 30.5 out of 35.

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This was the Landcool 207 from Lee and Lee.

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The most popular case at Micro Center.

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Yes. Now that's an interesting element to this

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that I don't think I had considered. Micro Center does most of their business retail.

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That would make sense then why it has such a low amount of reviews.

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Yes. I feel like. But it would also make sense

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how it would be able to differentiate itself from the other cases in an environment

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where people can touch it and feel it

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and appreciate why this is 90 bucks. Cause on paper, you should be able to get an ATX case

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for $20 less. And if you're just shopping online and you're just looking through a spec sheet,

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then there might not be any reason in your mind to spend any extra on something like this.

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But this just, like it feels,

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it feels really good for 90 bucks. I really, I really like this case. And you had a good building experience for sure.

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Like a 9.5 is pretty dang great. That was a great building experience.

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All right. Too bad, let's move on to the next one. Let's move on.

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All right. Well, you have three more to pick from. Mm.

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Which one do you want to pick? Corsair, Fractal, or Phanteks.

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I also got a question here. Are any of them back to front compatible?

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The first one was. The first one was, which was the Cooler Master,

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MasterBox Q300L. This one didn't look like it.

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It looked like it, sorry, we should say. This one didn't appear to be. Yeah.

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So no promises. I kind of want to see what my friends at Corsair

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have been up to. Cool. I haven't checked out the Frame 4000.

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Oh my gosh, this is so heavy.

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Fun fact, Fractal, speaking of old friends, was the first case brand that I was the product manager for.

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Ooh, wait, were they? No, it might have been Antek.

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Well, the first one that's still kicking butt. No, actually Antek's doing pretty good.

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All right, here it is. Ah, coming to you from Corsair,

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this is the top selling case at Best Buy USA

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for a price of $109.99. That's right, my friends,

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you will be paying the Corsair tax if you want to get your hands on the Frame 4000.

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We have the black finish with airflow mesh panel variant of this case.

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That's something that I feel like, ooh, Corsair has really, I don't want to say struggled with

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over the years, but certainly come up against is having so many variants of their products

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that I have a hard time fully understanding their lineup.

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Like I remember that when they started.

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Corsair had the 800D,

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and if you didn't like the D, too bad.

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That was it, that was all they had. Then they had, I believe it was the six, ouch, zapped.

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I believe it was the 600T that came next.

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And after that, it's all kind of a blur because the product lineup just got very complicated.

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Ow, dang it. I swear, this is gonna stop zapping me sometime soon.

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I realized we haven't really talked about packing materials. So far, they have all been pretty unexceptional.

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Yeah. I haven't seen anyone show up to play

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with like a more flexible foam.

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It's all this kind of one impact,

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and then it's not really gonna take anything more after that, which means that while it's fine

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to ship a case in this, it's not fine to build a system,

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like if you're a system integrator, put it back into this packing material

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and then ship that to a customer.

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All right, let's take a look. This is like a really common mistake that so many SIs do.

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Right out of the gate, I like the width. I can tell that Corsair in their typical fashion

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has put a lot of thought into how this system will be built in, and the answer is,

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with a lot of cable management space at the back.

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Corsair really, it seems like,

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approaches their case design from a marketing standpoint,

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right from the get-go. With the 800D, there was very clearly a way

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that you were intended to build in it, so that everyone's 800D build,

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well, might look kinda samey,

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but would look really good, and really good in a consistent way.

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And so I'm already seeing that there's certain ways

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that Corsair has just kind of defined what their contribution to the case category is,

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and stuck with it. This has to be the loosest mesh

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that I have ever encountered. If they were going for maximum airflow here,

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they definitely got it. It looks really trippy in person.

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I would have to go all the way to, here, check this out. I have to go all the way almost profile

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before I can't see through this anymore. Like that is, wow, you can see a whole Elijah through there.

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Thanks, Elijah. That's terrific.

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Good job, Corsair. This is also not a super dense dust filter,

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which, okay, you might not like in the sense

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that it might let a little bit of tiny dust particles through to your system,

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but if I had to guess, I'd say that Corsair has probably determined

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that most of what the typical gamer gets stuck in their dust filters, cat hair, guilty.

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And this would have no problem catching that, so it won't kill you to dust every once in a while,

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and this will, I mean, this is clearly a very airflow forward design.

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This will give you some kind of benefit in terms of airflow.

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All right, let's put these aside for now. What do we got? We got three fans in the front, pre-installed,

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all 120 mil, and curiously, Corsair determined,

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and I, again, I'm making a bit of an assumption here,

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but Corsair determined that it was cheaper

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to provide a 140 millimeter width adapter

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on each of these fans than to have two separate rails,

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one for 140 millimeter, and one for 120 millimeter width.

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Actually, no, that can't be cheaper. No, that would have to be more expensive.

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It's gotta be an aesthetics thing. So it's gotta, or airflow.

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Oh, sure, yeah. Because if you had a 140 millimeter fan here, if you had two 140 millimeter fans mounted to these,

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then they would have that 120 millimeter rail sitting in the way, whereas now,

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whether you have 120s or 140s, they are as clear as they can be

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to draw air through the front of the case. Cool. Okay.

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Already, some thoughtful design choices that we did not see on the Lee and Lee.

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Very cool. Very cool, very nice, is nice.

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Only the three included fans and no RGB. And no exhaust as well.

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Corsair wants you to pay for the RGB.

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I mean, you were joking about how their fans are expensive, so.

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That was no joke. Sorry, sir.

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When I joke, you'll be able to tell. And it will not be about Corsair's RGB being expensive.

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Another really open mesh on the top.

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This is a very airflow, I don't wanna say airflow only,

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but it's certainly an airflow first design. Oh, this is cool.

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This is cool. All right, they've got this little slider up here.

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I like, I like. So you undo the Phillips head.

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There's a Phillips and there's a Torx. So you undo the Phillips head to loosen it.

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And then you go ahead and you slide this rail between the 120 and 140 millimeter mounting positions,

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depending on what kind of fans you wanna put up here. This also keeps a 120 millimeter rail

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out of the way of a 140 millimeter fan.

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Corsair didn't include any of the aforementioned fans.

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So it's just gonna be empty in our build today, but hey, if you could afford, you know, $400 in fans

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to fill this with Corsair RGB fans, then they would be, your view of them would be unobstructed.

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That's probably what it is. I was just gonna say, it's aesthetics.

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Just the view of the fan? Yes, cause you paid $40 for them,

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you better be able to see them. They're $40? They can, they have some of them.

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I think it's like 30, 36 or something like that the last time I looked for some of their relation.

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I also just noticed that there's like, is this the 120 or 140 adapter or something?

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Hold on, what is this? What is this doing? Is this gonna, hello buddy?

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How you doing there? How you doing there, pal?

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I don't know, how are you? Oh, what?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel free. Do whatever you guys gotta do.

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Okay, well, we've got the side panel off without bending anything. I'm not quite sure how it happened though.

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Neat. Wow.

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Wow, is that ever a lot of room for cable management, my friends.

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I have that much depth for cable management

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over here behind where the front intake fans are.

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That's wild. Also, question for you, Elijah.

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Yes. Yeah, this, oh, you know, I have the back panel.

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Is that just taped on there? Yeah, that's, well, you know what, that's not, I'm okay with it,

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because this is magnetic. Oh, okay, okay. So this is just to keep it in place for shipping.

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Nope, I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. I thought it was holding it, so. I'll give them a pass for that.

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What is this? What, what is what? This is a computer case.

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Thank you. What is this? Well, it doesn't have a manual.

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You have to use it through your QR. Okay. So thank you.

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The other side of the case. Sometimes you mount fillings, tractions, actual.

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I'm, we're cooking, we're cooking, Dan. We're cooking.

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That is a side fan mounting bracket.

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Uh-huh. Ooh, I see.

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Oh, cool. Okay, I was gonna get there.

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I was gonna get there eventually. So instead of having a cable management cover shroud thing.

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Mm, you could have fans. Boom.

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You could put all the fans. Only fans, you might say.

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Boom, just like that. So you can go from not an O11 clone

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to O11 clone in less than 30 seconds.

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Actual genius. Okay.

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Well, we don't have any fans because we couldn't afford them. So we're gonna take this.

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We paid 110 for the case, so.

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But hey, if we could afford $400 in fans,

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we would have this bracket to put them on. How many fans are you missing?

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What else you got? What else in here is there's front panels? Ooh, oh, I do like this.

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Wait, no, I don't. Oh, that's weird. That's the opposite of what I would have expected.

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Okay, so they've got an adapter to go from

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if your case has just the block style. Oh, because this case does.

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Oh, this is great. Okay, so you can plug in your block style adapter

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that's included with the case and it has a breakout to all the individual ones

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if you have a motherboard that uses a non-standard pinout. Brilliant.

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Okay, I like it. I've got one of these.

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You also have this. Ah, yes, a magnetic this. I'm getting to that.

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That is called a side panel blank out insert.

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Oh, this is a mini GPU anti-sag mount.

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Cool. All right. Yeah.

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No, no, no, yeah, that's good. Oh, no, no, I get this one, I get this one. So if you have bad cable management in the bottom here.

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Oh, oh, I, oh God. Instead of having a bit of like a window situation.

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Oh, I see. You can just blank it out. Okay, that's kind of cool then.

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We'll have to figure out what this one's for, but we'll get to that later.

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Okay. All right, you know what?

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So far I like. So okay. Oh, I thought this one had the same power supply thing,

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but no, it's power supplies in the back there. For $20 more, I'm going to need to find

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some more thoughtful little additions. I think at first glance, comparing both at first glance,

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I would still stick with the land cool, but we got to wait and see. Let's wait and see.

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Let's wait and see. Maybe the build experience in this will be so life changing for us that we will say,

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you'd be crazy not to spend the extra 20 bucks. Considering how much you were raving over the last one though,

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I need to hear you rave $20 more.

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Does seem like a tall bar. I will say this, one screw to remove this.

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Very nice. Pretty nice. And this, boy, does this ever give us a lot of room

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to get at things and build. This might win for ease of build.

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This pops off like this. Are you sure? You gotta unscrew it first.

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But that's, oh, is that one holding? There you go.

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Got it. Like, as far as stripping cases down to the,

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as far as stripping cases down to the skeleton goes, Andrew Dan's summoning you.

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Like, dude, the case is almost as see-through

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as that front mesh. Like once you've got all the pieces removed from it,

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I think this is gonna make for a really, really easy

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building experience. Oh yeah. Okay, where's the motherboard at? There's another one.

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Do we want to get in the habit of maybe just mounting the coolers to these before we start?

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Oh, do we owe Valkyrie? I mean, we can keep talking about it.

00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:13.780
Yeah, no, no. Why don't we talk about their AIO? Do you want to grab it? Oh, sure.

00:23:13.780 --> 00:23:17.140
Yeah. While I install it. While you install this one, we can grab the AIO. Cool, perfect.

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This one. This one's good. Ugh.

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All right. So our sponsor for the stream today is Valkyrie.

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And I'm gonna get to the thing. Yeah, there we go.

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Cool. And they're featuring a couple of their coolers.

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The surge SL125, which is the air cooler that we've been

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using because after we built a bunch of PCs during that

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charity stream with water coolers, I told the team never, never again AIOs for live streams.

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They take so long and there's nothing to talk about.

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So yeah, we're using all the air coolers today, but we did tell Valkyrie who sponsored the stream

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that we would feature their AIO in some way. So this is their V-Lite AIO or rather their V-Lite AIOs.

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They're available in a variety of configurations, either in 240 mil or 360 mil configs,

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and either in black or white. This is obviously the 360 millimeter white.

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Do you want to hold that up for the camera? That's pretty cool. It features a patented high speed pump

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and copper cold plate. Includes new high speed fans that are designed specifically

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for use on radiators for liquid cooling. They have a distinctive square pump with an ARGB LED

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lighting solution in both the pump and in the fan rotors.

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And they have the, like a mecha aesthetic.

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Oh, that is kind of cool. Actually, I should show you one of their boxes

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because it was, oh, that was a good one, Dan.

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And they have a mecha aesthetic for a unique style.

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The magnetic cover rotates in 90 degree increments.

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Look at that. It rotates for an always upright installation orientation

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and the pump spins it up to 2,800 RPM

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and it's backed by a five year international warranty. Pretty sick.

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What did you want to show the people? This box for one of their coolers.

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It like is so over the top and extra. It feels like a GPU and it has an animate girl.

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Can you be less predictable, please?

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Sorry for supporting women.

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Ah, I just dropped it all. Oh no.

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You know, it hasn't come up nearly as much lately

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but I remember in some of his earlier on camera appearances.

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Go ahead, keep talking. The comment section would be full of like,

00:25:50.840 --> 00:25:56.120
how exactly did this guy get a job? And I would have to kind of defend him and go, no, no, no.

00:25:56.120 --> 00:25:59.200
But like he has redeeming qualities, I promise.

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He's technically my fault. This is the first time I felt like that. Actually, yes, if you go butterfly effect.

00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:08.400
Yeah, I hired him for logistics. This is the first time I felt like that

00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:11.880
in a very long time. That I kind of like, I have to defend you.

00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:13.120
Always on streams.

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He has lots of redeeming qualities. You could name some anytime.

00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:25.240
The problem is, is you don't name them. I really like your hair.

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That's not a reason to like have me working here though.

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We were saying earlier it covers the dent in his head from his fall.

00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:39.280
From what Ariana pushed me, yeah. Okay, okay, that is not a thing.

00:26:39.280 --> 00:26:43.360
Nobody pushed him. Her wall still has a scuff on it from my jeans

00:26:43.360 --> 00:26:48.280
when I fell down. For those of you who are new to the channel,

00:26:48.320 --> 00:26:52.560
Elijah fell down the stairs and concussed himself

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at Ariana's AMD Ultimate Tech upgrade.

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Some would say it launched my career.

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Not at an upward trajectory.

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Oh, I'm sorry, Andrew, am I supposed to be getting this for you? Yeah, we're going, okay, Dan,

00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:12.160
do you want to hit us with a merge message? Yeah, absolutely, we still got loads to get through.

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Let's see what we've got. Hello Linus, in case the Xbox series consoles

00:27:18.120 --> 00:27:21.120
were to get steam, do you think a significant amount

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of people would return to Xbox and make it more competitive?

00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:28.480
That's a really good question. That is a really good question.

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:35.480
I'm having a really hard time figuring out what exactly Microsoft's path forward is here

00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:39.120
because they very clearly telegraphed

00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:41.640
that when it comes to handheld PCs,

00:27:42.760 --> 00:27:48.120
they are pretty much going the traditional Windows OS route at this point

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with partnered hardware devices and trimming the fad on Windows

00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:58.080
to provide a more seamless and energy efficient

00:27:58.080 --> 00:28:04.480
handheld gaming experience. One of the elephants in the room at that event

00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:08.360
when they showed off the ROG Xbox,

00:28:08.360 --> 00:28:12.640
AllyX or whatever the thing is called, the partner product with ASUS,

00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.880
is hey, you guys say this is an Xbox and I can play my Xbox games,

00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:21.280
but not every Xbox game, and like that's super cool,

00:28:21.280 --> 00:28:24.720
for the ones that include the PC license with the cost of the Xbox license,

00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:28.160
but not every Xbox game does, particularly third party ones.

00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:32.880
Now it's clear where Microsoft's ambitions are

00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.440
that they do want, did you take away my adapter cable?

00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:40.840
Also, I only need two of these.

00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:46.280
Before I took away too much. It's clear where Microsoft's ambitions lie

00:28:46.280 --> 00:28:50.600
that they want every game for Xbox

00:28:50.600 --> 00:28:54.160
to be licensed for PC as well and vice versa,

00:28:54.160 --> 00:28:58.600
and they want this future where every screen is an Xbox to happen,

00:28:58.600 --> 00:29:02.000
but it's equally clear that it hasn't happened yet,

00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.200
and there's gonna be kind of a painful

00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.160
awkward adolescence for this concept.

00:29:09.040 --> 00:29:12.080
So coming back to your question of,

00:29:13.080 --> 00:29:18.320
what was the question again? About if Steam came to Xbox devices.

00:29:18.320 --> 00:29:25.200
So if Steam comes to Xbox, I don't really see how that aligns with Microsoft's vision.

00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:28.200
It's clear that Microsoft wants every device

00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:32.960
to be an Xbox, but the only reason for Microsoft to care

00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:39.720
about devices being Xboxes is so that they can take their cut on the Xbox store, right?

00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:44.920
Otherwise, why wouldn't they just want the Xbox to be a PC with all of the various marketplaces,

00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:49.600
Epic Games Store, Steam, good old games, et cetera, et cetera?

00:29:51.040 --> 00:29:54.080
So with that dynamic in mind,

00:29:54.080 --> 00:29:57.400
I do not see Steam coming to the Xbox anytime soon,

00:29:59.320 --> 00:30:03.600
but with that said, Microsoft's vision has gotten

00:30:03.600 --> 00:30:08.040
a little bit muddy here because for the first time,

00:30:08.040 --> 00:30:13.120
they've gone and put Xbox branding on what is essentially a PC with Windows

00:30:13.120 --> 00:30:16.320
that is slightly tuned for better battery life on handheld.

00:30:17.360 --> 00:30:21.240
And they have made it explicitly clear, not quite explicitly clear,

00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:26.240
but they have made it implicitly clear, nice,

00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:29.920
LTTstore.com, let's go.

00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:39.040
They've made it implicitly clear that Steam will be supported on the Xbox Ally X edition.

00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:46.120
Console, supposedly console. Have they said if there's any sort of working together

00:30:46.120 --> 00:30:50.280
on adjusting the margins and the cuts from a Steam sale?

00:30:50.280 --> 00:30:55.040
No. Okay, so I was curious if that would be the reason why then. No, they didn't even explicitly acknowledge

00:30:55.040 --> 00:31:01.320
that Steam would be available on the device. They just said leading PC game places.

00:31:01.320 --> 00:31:04.880
And I was like, okay, like, Steam, right?

00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.080
And they're like, okay.

00:31:08.080 --> 00:31:12.640
They wouldn't say Steam. Sure, yeah. But they would say, well,

00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:16.480
what do you think is the leading PC game marketplace?

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:20.320
And we'd go, okay, Steam. And they'd be like, well, we said leading PC game

00:31:20.320 --> 00:31:24.960
marketplaces, right? And we're like, okay, so Steam, right? And they're like, well, what do you think is a leading game?

00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.840
Like, I get it. I get it. PR people got a PR. So the answer is Steam,

00:31:28.840 --> 00:31:32.640
but you'll never hear Microsoft say it directly. So with that kageness in mind,

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I think ever is a big timeframe, you know?

00:31:38.280 --> 00:31:41.440
I can't try to predict what will happen ever.

00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:44.480
But what I can say is I don't think that's happening anytime soon.

00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.000
I don't think you're gonna see Steam on the Xbox because otherwise what reason exists

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.960
for the Xbox to be a thing? They already sell them at like a loss, right?

00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.160
Do you have our accessories? Like our screws and stuff?

00:31:56.120 --> 00:31:57.620
Oh, I put it back in the box.

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Like I said, like I said, half a brain cell today.

00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:08.840
Thanks, Elijah. I'm trying, but... Dan, you got another message?

00:32:08.840 --> 00:32:11.880
Oh yeah, absolutely. Hey, Linus and Elijah.

00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:17.520
Oh, I'm sorry, baggy. We got a baggy, which at $90 in the last one,

00:32:17.520 --> 00:32:23.800
we got a little sorting thing. If they're labeled, I'll excuse the lack of...

00:32:23.800 --> 00:32:26.920
No. They're not labeled. I saw this labeled and I thought that was it for a second.

00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.920
No, they're not labeled. They are individually sorted by type, though.

00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:34.560
That's something. That's something. Not resealable. No.

00:32:34.560 --> 00:32:36.680
Meh. Okay, hit me, Dan.

00:32:37.840 --> 00:32:40.920
Hey, Linus and Elijah, my favorite.

00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:45.880
Why don't you cover enbaric or retoy to devices anymore?

00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:50.360
I get that emulation devices are a sore subject, but it feels like a missing opportunity.

00:32:50.360 --> 00:32:55.080
Love you, Elijah. I wouldn't say that it's a sore subject.

00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:59.140
I think for me, with all these emulation devices

00:32:59.180 --> 00:33:03.820
that are out there right now, what new is there to talk about sometimes?

00:33:03.820 --> 00:33:06.940
Like even when we just bought the Game Stick,

00:33:06.940 --> 00:33:10.140
I think it was called for the buying every tech ad,

00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:15.640
it was kind of just a case of like, I'm buying this HDMI plug-in that has ROMs installed.

00:33:16.660 --> 00:33:22.180
I could just download an emulator, right? I don't know, I feel like there hasn't been anything new.

00:33:22.180 --> 00:33:26.460
And whenever we're determining whether to make a video about something or not,

00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:30.700
sometimes it's not really up to us in a sense. The answer is, okay,

00:33:30.700 --> 00:33:33.060
well, is there enough material for a video here?

00:33:35.180 --> 00:33:38.420
Some stuff like isn't even really necessarily long enough for a short.

00:33:38.420 --> 00:33:43.860
I do think that anything experiential, where there's an ergonomic element to it,

00:33:43.860 --> 00:33:47.620
like a human interface element to it, like a handheld console,

00:33:49.100 --> 00:33:52.340
yeah, there's probably a video's worth there.

00:33:52.340 --> 00:33:55.540
But at that point, it's a pretty significant investment

00:33:55.540 --> 00:33:58.540
that you're asking someone to make in learning about the product.

00:33:58.540 --> 00:34:02.540
And the proliferation of these handheld devices

00:34:02.540 --> 00:34:05.580
has led to us, I think generally just,

00:34:06.780 --> 00:34:09.860
has led to kind of a saturation. Yeah, I agree.

00:34:09.860 --> 00:34:14.640
Where when they were novel, I think you'd get not only people

00:34:14.640 --> 00:34:19.540
who are interested in a handheld gaming device at all, and the people who are interested in that particular one,

00:34:19.540 --> 00:34:23.460
but you'd get people, you'd just get kind of like looky-loos that are flying by going like,

00:34:23.460 --> 00:34:26.980
oh, whoa, that's kind of cool. Handheld PC, wow, that's kind of neat.

00:34:27.100 --> 00:34:31.100
Oh, is that like an Android device? It's like just for emulation?

00:34:31.100 --> 00:34:35.700
Wow, that's neat, I've never seen that before. But now it's kind of become a bit more

00:34:35.700 --> 00:34:41.100
of a mature product category. And so I think you're basically limiting your audience

00:34:41.100 --> 00:34:44.300
to people who are legit interested

00:34:44.300 --> 00:34:48.900
in buying that particular model. And at the end of the day,

00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:52.380
we've got to, we can only make a limited number of videos.

00:34:52.380 --> 00:34:56.640
And there's no shortage of ideas. So we've got to try to whittle it down

00:34:56.640 --> 00:34:58.840
to the ones that we think are going to.

00:35:00.120 --> 00:35:04.000
Be the best video we can make, essentially. Yeah, and there's different measures of best video.

00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.160
Sometimes best video is about doing what's right.

00:35:07.160 --> 00:35:10.860
I think a great example of that was the one that we uploaded yesterday.

00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:15.400
We had no guarantee whatsoever that that video was going to perform in any way.

00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.840
But when we heard about what was going on with HouseFresh,

00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:23.840
we just felt like we were at sort of a tipping point

00:35:24.640 --> 00:35:28.640
in the industry where if we didn't say or do something

00:35:28.640 --> 00:35:33.640
and the situation with brands suing reviewers

00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:38.760
for their honest testing could spiral out of control

00:35:39.640 --> 00:35:44.040
and threaten the entire consumer information pipeline.

00:35:44.040 --> 00:35:51.480
Like we're sitting there going, okay, well, we make this video or the game changes

00:35:51.680 --> 00:35:56.280
in a way that is not for the better. This is the hill to die on.

00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:01.240
This is the point where we have to make a stand. Obviously, can I have the screws for this?

00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:07.080
Oh, sorry. Obviously, it's not always an existential threat

00:36:07.080 --> 00:36:12.360
that prompts us to make a video. Be it for us or be it for one of our peers in the industry,

00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.780
like when NVIDIA with threatening hardware unboxed way back when.

00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.400
Sometimes it comes down to what helps us

00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:21.960
continue to support the team.

00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:28.160
Pool robots, anyone? Do you like pool robots, Elijah?

00:36:30.080 --> 00:36:34.040
You know, I've made one of them. I made a video about it. Honestly, I thought you did a great job.

00:36:34.040 --> 00:36:39.160
I thought it was pretty interesting. I think it's still a funny video. It just didn't get a ton of views.

00:36:39.160 --> 00:36:42.360
Well, it didn't help that half of the video was blurred.

00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:47.600
And that's not Elijah's fault. Let's make that. I would like to make that abundantly clear.

00:36:47.600 --> 00:36:52.040
That is not Elijah's fault. And I promise you it was discussed as well.

00:36:52.040 --> 00:36:55.560
Lots of conversations happened about it, so. But hey.

00:36:56.600 --> 00:36:59.840
And then other times, it's because we are trying to make

00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:02.920
whatever gets the most views, whatever delights our viewers.

00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.440
So usually it's some combination of the three.

00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:09.760
I'm a little confused right now. What's up?

00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:14.600
There's a couple of thumb screws that are like pre-attach emulated here

00:37:15.520 --> 00:37:18.680
that appear to be to mount power supply.

00:37:18.680 --> 00:37:23.200
I noticed that when you first unboxed it. So if you wanted to just not bother

00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:28.080
with these not thumb screw ones, you could just put two screws in your power supply

00:37:28.080 --> 00:37:29.640
and call it a day.

00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:35.960
That was a new note.

00:37:38.520 --> 00:37:42.080
I'm thinking, I'm having a think. Quick and easy install?

00:37:42.080 --> 00:37:45.320
I like quick and easy. I do like that.

00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:48.880
Power supplies are heavy though. It's at the bottom.

00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.120
Yeah. You're hitting all types of notes.

00:37:52.120 --> 00:37:56.320
Ideally, yes. Sure. Then I pick up my computer, I'm going to a LAN.

00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.080
Well, that's your fault. Yeah. You're holding it wrong.

00:38:01.080 --> 00:38:08.000
But my only anchor points are here. And with some very long, very heavy power supplies.

00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.400
That could be an issue. There could be some leverage. It's probably fine.

00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:16.720
It's probably fine. I would certainly never ship a system like this.

00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:22.760
Even just in the back of my car, driving across a couple of states or whatever.

00:38:24.120 --> 00:38:24.960
You know what?

00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:28.240
I'll allow it.

00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:35.920
Man, going back to the traditional orientation for the power supply now, I'm just like...

00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.120
I know. The other one was so nice to plug those cables in, right?

00:38:39.120 --> 00:38:44.800
Two Corsairs credit. They have managed to create a pretty much unprecedented

00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:50.640
amount of space here for plugging in these cables. Like this is my best case scenario

00:38:50.640 --> 00:38:55.200
for being able to plug in cables traditionally. They've even got mesh here that I can totally see through

00:38:55.200 --> 00:38:59.360
so that I can see what I'm doing. It's just that, man, after I experienced

00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:04.000
the one from Lee and Lee, I'm spoiled.

00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.800
I'm officially spoiled. You heard it here first. Spoiled brat.

00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:12.400
We all knew that already. Go ahead, call me spoiled brat. Spoiled brat. That's weird.

00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:16.640
Okay, Mr. Portia. What? Who did you?

00:39:16.640 --> 00:39:18.760
No, I just... Linus is not brat.

00:39:20.080 --> 00:39:24.040
Let's have a brat show. Okay, now hold on a second. I think we've talked about this on Wanshow.

00:39:24.040 --> 00:39:26.840
I forget what brat is. Not you.

00:39:29.240 --> 00:39:32.680
It was just like, it was the summer album last year. Like, brat.

00:39:33.560 --> 00:39:37.160
That was a year ago? Yeah. Last summer. Lord.

00:39:37.160 --> 00:39:38.160
Charlie, whatever.

00:39:41.240 --> 00:39:45.840
Angels? Boop, boop, boop.

00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.440
Oh, that's James Bond. You see what I mean? Not brat.

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.680
You are like a giant, like... Empty vault?

00:39:52.680 --> 00:39:58.200
Yes. No, that's not what I was gonna say. I was gonna say like cultural reference crock pot.

00:39:58.200 --> 00:40:03.200
Like you just, you don't know where things are from

00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.720
and then very occasionally you'll like pull out a reference

00:40:07.720 --> 00:40:11.080
that I'm like, where's that from? You'll be like family guy.

00:40:11.080 --> 00:40:12.440
And I'll be like, no.

00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:20.560
Family guy was making a reference. And then every once in a while he's like,

00:40:20.560 --> 00:40:25.800
no, I've seen E.T. I was like, oh, like, you've seen like no movies.

00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:30.160
Why E.T. Yeah, why E.T. My grandma had it on VHS

00:40:30.160 --> 00:40:33.680
and they decided to give me nightmares. So they were like, watch E.T.

00:40:33.680 --> 00:40:35.320
I did not sleep well that night.

00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.620
Deep breaths, Linus. E.T. was pretty scary.

00:40:41.600 --> 00:40:46.200
The scariest part for me was like near the end when he was like very sick

00:40:46.200 --> 00:40:51.320
and he was like looking super pale and he's like, I was like, nightmare fuel.

00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.000
I was out. I was out fast.

00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.440
Speaking of out fast, we got these cables out of the way really fast.

00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.600
The King of Segways, dude. Thank you. Thank you.

00:41:02.600 --> 00:41:05.700
Appreciate that. Even though we write most of them. Look at that.

00:41:05.700 --> 00:41:12.860
Sorry, continue. You know very well that I often change the Segway.

00:41:12.860 --> 00:41:16.820
I never make it better. No, you always make it worse.

00:41:16.820 --> 00:41:20.280
We'll have like a natural Segway that like makes sense. And we're like, that's cool.

00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:23.940
And then you'll start changing the intro completely. So when you get to my Segway,

00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:29.100
you're like, this doesn't make sense now. I'm like, yeah, because you changed it. I don't question why it doesn't make sense.

00:41:29.100 --> 00:41:32.180
I know why. And sometimes it does make sense.

00:41:32.180 --> 00:41:35.540
And I change it to be worse just for fun. Like he'll have like a really nice Segway.

00:41:35.540 --> 00:41:38.780
And he'll be like, we should just put like Beep Boop Segway sponsor.

00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:43.300
Yeah, in the PureWare video yesterday,

00:41:43.300 --> 00:41:48.500
we had a nice Segway written and you were just on set. We're like, I'm going to go fight this Segway.

00:41:48.500 --> 00:41:52.460
And I'm like, that's stupid, but okay. Like I guess we'll throw it in the video.

00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:57.460
You also did something, something to Segway. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, something, something.

00:41:57.460 --> 00:42:01.020
You get a little tired and it's just like, eh, Segway. Bye.

00:42:01.020 --> 00:42:05.300
Sponsored here. There is one, I forget which video it is where we're talking and you just like turn to camera

00:42:05.300 --> 00:42:08.980
and go Segway and it just cuts like immediately. And it's like, okay.

00:42:08.980 --> 00:42:12.820
This is so good. You know what you're doing, I'll tell you that.

00:42:12.820 --> 00:42:18.420
I can almost fit my whole head through here to like see the 24 pin while I plug it in.

00:42:20.020 --> 00:42:24.780
You also just do it from the front. You don't always need to go in the back.

00:42:24.780 --> 00:42:26.100
But I like it this way.

00:42:28.180 --> 00:42:32.180
Look at that. That's great. There's no way.

00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:36.860
You had- There's no way. You had to intend that.

00:42:36.860 --> 00:42:40.220
Please tell me. Don't even pretend. Please tell me. Stop pretending now.

00:42:40.220 --> 00:42:43.540
All right, I'll stop pretending. You can stop pretending. Sure.

00:42:43.540 --> 00:42:48.020
Oh, I did this wrong. Oh no, I didn't. Okay, cable management.

00:42:48.940 --> 00:42:51.580
Pretty okay. Bull management.

00:42:53.140 --> 00:42:54.860
No, that's not ding worthy.

00:42:56.660 --> 00:43:01.340
You can't give me credit for bad dings because that will take away the high

00:43:01.340 --> 00:43:05.700
that I get from the good dings. They're all bad dings. We're trying to remove all pies

00:43:05.700 --> 00:43:09.100
that you get from the dings because we need you to stop. You don't need me to stop.

00:43:09.100 --> 00:43:11.540
I will increase the minimum quality. Thank you.

00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:15.420
He's upping the setting in the Dan membrane.

00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:19.180
Dan, you want to hit me with a merge message? More sad dings. Yeah, I guess I've got a lot.

00:43:20.980 --> 00:43:26.140
Let's see, are there any cases that separate GPU and CPU intake and exhaust?

00:43:26.140 --> 00:43:32.180
Sure, there would be some interference with PCI brackets, but why not go back to side panel fans?

00:43:32.180 --> 00:43:37.220
That is such a good question. That's so funny because that was actually

00:43:37.220 --> 00:43:40.500
in that conversation at Computex that I was talking about earlier

00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:44.340
where I was kind of being asked, okay, is there anything that you feel

00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:48.060
like case manufacturers are overlooking? That was actually one of the things we talked about

00:43:48.060 --> 00:43:52.900
is yeah, what happened to the whole cooling zone paradigm

00:43:52.900 --> 00:43:55.980
that was introduced by the Ntech P180 back in the day?

00:43:55.980 --> 00:43:59.940
And that was, and also while we're at it,

00:43:59.980 --> 00:44:04.580
the P4 style side intake fan.

00:44:04.580 --> 00:44:10.100
I think that those are ideas that could be more relevant today

00:44:10.100 --> 00:44:14.240
than they were back when they were current meta.

00:44:17.340 --> 00:44:24.660
So good question. Yeah, good question. I, especially for these flow through GPUs

00:44:24.700 --> 00:44:31.140
that have really taken off in popularity like this 9070 XT Tai Chi from ASRock here,

00:44:31.140 --> 00:44:35.420
where you've got this big old, oh, sorry.

00:44:35.420 --> 00:44:39.940
Where you got this big old fan here that's blowing through a big fat heat sink

00:44:39.940 --> 00:44:43.900
and then blowing all the way through the back of the card. Being able to capture this heat,

00:44:43.900 --> 00:44:48.100
like this is gonna be your hardest working, best cooling fan on this particular design.

00:44:48.100 --> 00:44:52.460
Being able to capture this heat and just duct it right out of the case

00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:55.780
could make a measurable difference to CPU temperatures,

00:44:55.780 --> 00:44:59.560
not to mention your RAM and your VRMs and all that good stuff. What am I holding this for?

00:44:59.560 --> 00:45:02.920
I don't need this yet. Okay. Sorry about that, Elijah. No worries.

00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.260
I'll hold it. You can have it back. Thank you for all this camera. You're welcome.

00:45:07.220 --> 00:45:09.300
No. Thank you.

00:45:12.620 --> 00:45:16.000
Dan, go ahead and hit me. Hanging up too much. I deserve it.

00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:22.980
Hey, Linkus, Dinkus and Elijah. Have any of you played Game of the Year

00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:28.780
Claire Obscure Expedition 33 yet? You can e a French person wearing a baguette

00:45:28.780 --> 00:45:30.860
and fight oversized mimes.

00:45:31.900 --> 00:45:35.420
Wee-wee. No, I have not played it.

00:45:35.420 --> 00:45:39.340
I've been asked a lot to play it, but it doesn't look like my type of game,

00:45:39.340 --> 00:45:44.220
so I probably will not play it. I, meanwhile, have also been asked to try it,

00:45:44.220 --> 00:45:49.220
and I will play it because it looks like my type, for sure.

00:45:49.380 --> 00:45:53.140
I'm pretty excited to try it out, and it's what, like 30, 40 bucks or something like that?

00:45:53.140 --> 00:45:58.660
Yeah, it's not triple A priced. Double A priced? Yeah. My Game of the Year, though, is Blueprints.

00:45:58.660 --> 00:46:02.940
That game is unbelievably good. If you have not seen it, it's on Game Pass.

00:46:02.940 --> 00:46:06.620
You can go give it a try. As a Game of the Year? I think it's my Game of the Year.

00:46:07.780 --> 00:46:12.140
It's gonna be tough to beat Split Fiction because Split Fiction was also incredible, but.

00:46:12.140 --> 00:46:15.660
Do you play any good games? No, I'm kidding. What the heck?

00:46:15.660 --> 00:46:19.740
I also really, really liked Blueprints. That was great. I thought it was amazing. Game of the Year, though, not sure.

00:46:19.740 --> 00:46:23.500
I'm like 60 hours in to Blueprints. What?

00:46:23.500 --> 00:46:27.640
What? Is your RNG that bad? No, when you complete the game,

00:46:27.640 --> 00:46:31.500
you don't complete the game. Oh, you're doing new Game Plus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah.

00:46:31.500 --> 00:46:32.960
So,

00:46:36.140 --> 00:46:41.980
this is okay. In terms of cable management? Yeah, just everything's just, everything's kinda,

00:46:41.980 --> 00:46:46.660
it's kinda okay. I'm just gonna kinda plug this in here,

00:46:46.660 --> 00:46:50.100
do a little thing like that. Yes, I know, technically I don't have to

00:46:50.100 --> 00:46:53.420
put it under like this. I just find it a little bit easier to really

00:46:53.420 --> 00:46:54.780
wrench it down if I do that.

00:46:57.180 --> 00:47:01.460
Do you feel like it's worse than the last one? The way these fans are daisy-chained,

00:47:01.460 --> 00:47:05.260
you know, back to the whole reusability. Yeah, that's an advantage.

00:47:05.260 --> 00:47:09.100
It's nice that you can just use them as normal fans if you want,

00:47:09.100 --> 00:47:12.100
instead of like a triple fan thing, but it means they're just kinda,

00:47:12.100 --> 00:47:17.260
they're kinda hanging here like this, even though you do get the benefit of being able to plug them in with one header.

00:47:18.860 --> 00:47:22.500
It's okay, you know? Here's a little strap.

00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:24.580
We can give it a little strappy strap.

00:47:25.780 --> 00:47:29.620
Whoa, no. And, oh yeah, no, no, no, no, no.

00:47:29.620 --> 00:47:33.020
Okay, I figured out how to put that in there. It's from the back. Okay, that makes way more sense.

00:47:33.020 --> 00:47:38.340
Neat. Wow, that, oh man, yeah, let's see. Ah, see, this is hard though.

00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:39.660
This is hard and annoying.

00:47:42.700 --> 00:47:46.580
There, ugh. All right, I think I'm ready to,

00:47:46.580 --> 00:47:52.060
I think I'm ready to start working on the rating. Yep, what do you wanna go, do you wanna do features?

00:47:53.380 --> 00:47:56.900
Where do you wanna start? Let's do features. That's what we did for the last one. Sure, let's do that.

00:47:56.900 --> 00:48:02.420
So features such as things like extra fans, rubber grommets, fan filters, organized screw box,

00:48:02.420 --> 00:48:05.940
things like that. Do you think, eight was the Leon Lee,

00:48:05.940 --> 00:48:10.980
which is our best one so far. Do you think our features have been worse, are on par?

00:48:11.940 --> 00:48:16.940
I think this falls a little short for me in terms of things that I would consider to be extras.

00:48:16.940 --> 00:48:20.260
I really like these movable frame pieces

00:48:20.260 --> 00:48:23.820
so that you don't have any obstructions in the way of either the aesthetics

00:48:23.820 --> 00:48:28.900
or the airflow of your fans if you decide to use larger 140 millimeter fans

00:48:28.900 --> 00:48:33.820
rather than the default 120 mils. I do really like the ability to,

00:48:33.820 --> 00:48:38.580
with just a couple of screws, strip everything off of this thing.

00:48:38.580 --> 00:48:42.260
I mean, is that where they got the frame name from?

00:48:42.260 --> 00:48:48.060
I would, I would assume so. I like how open all the meshes are on it.

00:48:48.060 --> 00:48:53.740
They managed to mesh it up without it feeling as cheap as our first case.

00:48:53.740 --> 00:48:57.620
There's almost no metal left here, but you can clearly see why.

00:48:57.620 --> 00:49:00.980
Cause you can clearly see right through it, right?

00:49:00.980 --> 00:49:06.460
I really like that, but I do feel like there's little touches missing

00:49:06.460 --> 00:49:09.640
like the integrated power connectors

00:49:09.640 --> 00:49:13.540
for the multiple fans. I definitely miss the,

00:49:13.540 --> 00:49:16.940
where'd our other system go? Oh man, it's so cool.

00:49:17.140 --> 00:49:21.020
Oh, the power supply. Oh, the ease of plugging in the power supply

00:49:21.020 --> 00:49:23.540
was so awesome on the other one.

00:49:26.380 --> 00:49:30.340
So our master box was a five. Lee and Lee was an eight.

00:49:30.340 --> 00:49:33.580
I want to give this a seven. I think that's very fair.

00:49:33.580 --> 00:49:38.380
I think it's really good, but I don't think I would take the trade-offs

00:49:38.380 --> 00:49:41.860
compared to our Land Cool, which is Lee and Lee.

00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:44.980
We're not quite done building yet, so we won't do building experience.

00:49:44.980 --> 00:49:49.500
I'm pretty close, but yeah, sure. What about cable management? Cause you were just talking about that.

00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:53.780
Our last one, the Lee and Lee got a four and the master box got a two.

00:49:53.780 --> 00:49:55.700
And this is out of five. Yes.

00:49:59.260 --> 00:50:04.260
I would say that this is a three and a half.

00:50:05.020 --> 00:50:08.820
Well, wait, no, hold on. I was going to say, we haven't quite put that on yet.

00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:12.420
Yeah, I got to put this on before I can fully judge it.

00:50:13.860 --> 00:50:18.940
How did this go in again? I don't know. Good gravy. No, I see it. Ooh, it has two different positions as well.

00:50:18.940 --> 00:50:22.060
That's nice. So you could have more or less room for the...

00:50:22.060 --> 00:50:26.020
Exactly. Exactly, that's very cool.

00:50:26.020 --> 00:50:29.060
Buh, buh, buh, buh. You know what?

00:50:30.620 --> 00:50:34.380
I'd say this can match the Lee and Lee. Cause once we've got this shroud in place,

00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:38.260
which by the way can also be replaced with a fan holder,

00:50:38.260 --> 00:50:41.660
this is pretty clean. So a four? Yeah. Cool.

00:50:41.660 --> 00:50:48.660
Yeah, we can hit this with a four. Oh, this gap.

00:50:50.100 --> 00:50:53.380
This is an awkward sized gap, Elijah.

00:50:53.380 --> 00:50:57.100
Cause I can... Oh man, can I get this USB three cable through here?

00:50:57.100 --> 00:51:00.540
Oh, I don't think you're going to. No, I can't get this through here,

00:51:00.540 --> 00:51:05.260
but I can't do this in the tighter position,

00:51:05.260 --> 00:51:08.780
but still run that cable through there. Oh wait, yes I can. Yeah, you can.

00:51:08.780 --> 00:51:11.780
I have to do it after the fact though. Oh, that's something.

00:51:11.780 --> 00:51:16.020
That could determine like your mother boy choice, right? Cause you've maybe had a slightly smaller mother board,

00:51:16.020 --> 00:51:19.700
but oh no, cause that's ATX. Yeah, this is going to do tax. Okay, no, no, it's okay.

00:51:19.700 --> 00:51:23.820
It's okay. Now it's covering it and it does fit. Okay, I stand by it.

00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:28.300
Was that by a four? Yeah, well I think it's on par. Yeah, yeah, I'm ready to call this a tie.

00:51:28.300 --> 00:51:31.460
You're pretty close to the building experience.

00:51:31.460 --> 00:51:37.500
Do you think you can start compiling your thoughts? Out of 10, the Lee and Lee got a 9.5.

00:51:38.940 --> 00:51:40.380
What do you think this lies?

00:51:42.780 --> 00:51:46.580
It's always dangerous to evaluate the intuitiveness

00:51:46.580 --> 00:51:49.580
of something because your intuition is colored

00:51:49.580 --> 00:51:56.980
by your past experiences. With that said, I think there are things

00:51:56.980 --> 00:52:01.820
that I could argue I found objectively more intuitive

00:52:01.820 --> 00:52:03.500
about the Lee and Lee case.

00:52:05.140 --> 00:52:09.660
Like the daisy chaining of the fans, then just already being plugged in,

00:52:09.660 --> 00:52:13.820
not needing to be re-routed around this stupid piece that I just took out.

00:52:16.860 --> 00:52:20.740
I found, for instance, these cable straps,

00:52:20.740 --> 00:52:24.700
just a little less easy to use, even though I actually have seen these before

00:52:24.700 --> 00:52:27.960
and I had not seen the Landcool style ones in the past.

00:52:30.340 --> 00:52:34.940
The power supply mounting was something that was different and yet very intuitive.

00:52:34.940 --> 00:52:40.980
So I guess what I'm trying to say is, bear in mind, as I say this,

00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:44.660
that I actually encountered more novel ideas

00:52:44.660 --> 00:52:49.300
in the Landcool Lee and Lee case than I am in the Frame 4000,

00:52:49.300 --> 00:52:53.620
but I found this case less intuitive to work in.

00:52:53.620 --> 00:52:55.260
Not a ton more work,

00:52:58.340 --> 00:53:02.060
but definitely a little less smooth.

00:53:02.060 --> 00:53:05.940
Like now that it's time to button it all up and put it back together,

00:53:05.940 --> 00:53:07.900
I'm having a hard time remembering.

00:53:09.060 --> 00:53:12.380
Like where things go and... Actually, no, I remember where this went.

00:53:13.900 --> 00:53:17.660
No, okay, okay, you know what? No, I shouldn't say I'm having a hard time remembering anything.

00:53:17.660 --> 00:53:19.420
I can remember where the pieces go.

00:53:24.340 --> 00:53:28.100
It's just not as good. I give it an eight. An eight. Yeah, do you think I'm being unfair?

00:53:28.100 --> 00:53:33.420
I don't think you're being unfair. You're the one building, so. Well, I mean, you're here, you're watching me do it.

00:53:34.460 --> 00:53:38.820
Usually do. What's the thing with him?

00:53:38.820 --> 00:53:43.300
He always escalates. Does that count as a ding? He won't back down.

00:53:43.300 --> 00:53:47.380
Let's pretend it didn't happen. Yeah, we can move on. Let's not ding anything.

00:53:48.540 --> 00:53:51.740
Let's put the top cover on you. Oh, we can put our GPU back in.

00:53:51.740 --> 00:53:53.780
I was gonna say, we have to get our GPU in.

00:53:54.940 --> 00:53:58.420
Take the cover off and we're gonna need to pull the PCI-U covers as well.

00:53:58.420 --> 00:54:03.020
Awesome. Oh, yeah, right. Oh man, this didn't quite click in.

00:54:04.020 --> 00:54:08.020
Yeah, it's just, it's little things.

00:54:10.220 --> 00:54:15.380
Especially because this one is, I think our most expensive one, at $110,

00:54:16.380 --> 00:54:20.940
do you think the value of this case is on par with the others,

00:54:20.940 --> 00:54:28.500
or do you think it's a worse value? Well, it's price, not value, is our evaluation component.

00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:33.420
So we have to give it, like obviously, this isn't the world's most expensive case either.

00:54:33.420 --> 00:54:41.220
It's $110, that's a perfectly reasonable price for a well-cooled, pretty well-thought-out case.

00:54:43.220 --> 00:54:47.820
It's compatible with vertical mounts, which is nice to see.

00:54:47.820 --> 00:54:51.620
I don't, ooh, I don't love how this kind of interferes

00:54:51.620 --> 00:54:58.900
with getting at some of these thumb screws here. And for a thumb screws sticking out of the case setup,

00:54:58.900 --> 00:55:02.580
my screwdriver is actually quite angled to get into this.

00:55:03.620 --> 00:55:10.900
Part of that is that it is a multi-bit screwdriver, so it has to have like a female socket for my bit.

00:55:10.900 --> 00:55:14.340
But I think that's something that is fairly safe

00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:17.660
to assume that a lot of people are using, so I don't know about this Corsair.

00:55:17.660 --> 00:55:20.940
Do you want an extension? Nope, the extension won't help,

00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:24.860
because it's the same thickness. There was a thickness problem?

00:55:24.860 --> 00:55:29.860
Yeah. Yes. Even if I had a perfectly skinny shaft,

00:55:29.860 --> 00:55:33.180
there's kind of a ridge here.

00:55:33.180 --> 00:55:34.980
Don't make a face. There's kind of a little lip.

00:55:38.020 --> 00:55:42.180
Why are we talking about a shaft? I think price-wise, I have to give it,

00:55:42.180 --> 00:55:49.380
like I have to give it kind of a four. Four? All right. Yeah, like the price is five.

00:55:49.380 --> 00:55:54.540
All right. I think it's a fine, I think it's a fine price for a fine case.

00:55:56.460 --> 00:55:59.460
All right, let's get this GPU in here.

00:55:59.460 --> 00:56:03.580
And then as you're kind of wrapping it up here and closing it out, the last one is a bonus.

00:56:03.580 --> 00:56:05.780
Do you think this thing deserves any bonuses?

00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:13.340
Man, Corsair, I like being able to add a bunch more fans.

00:56:17.500 --> 00:56:21.900
I like being able to strip everything away so that I can really see what I'm doing.

00:56:21.900 --> 00:56:27.300
I don't know if I can give any bonus marks for that though, because I kind of already gave them points for that.

00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:30.420
Sure. And they'd like ease of use. Yeah.

00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:36.300
Do you think any of like the other accessories that you get, like the, you can swap it out to the more solid color

00:56:36.300 --> 00:56:40.580
or any of the other like mounting options?

00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:46.300
Hmm. Do we have some zip ties?

00:56:46.300 --> 00:56:49.980
Yep. Cool. Do those come with the case? All right, that's nice to see.

00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:54.260
Oh yeah, they didn't have the... See, this is the thing. This is what's happening here.

00:56:54.300 --> 00:56:58.540
Is the more I think about it, the more I'm reminded of things that it doesn't have.

00:56:58.540 --> 00:57:02.620
It doesn't have the little sorting tray for all of my hardware. So now I have to just, I don't know,

00:57:02.620 --> 00:57:07.620
put that in this giant box that I can't get rid of now.

00:57:08.300 --> 00:57:11.540
I'm not criticizing them for including the accessories that are in there.

00:57:11.540 --> 00:57:15.940
That's super cool. Thank you, Corsair. But I have to keep track of this box now,

00:57:15.940 --> 00:57:21.420
instead of being able to just put my accessories into a nice little cubby and tuck them into my case, right?

00:57:24.380 --> 00:57:26.420
What would you give it a bonus for?

00:57:30.660 --> 00:57:36.660
Probably the amount of airflow that it probably has. I think a lot of cases sometimes try to go for more aesthetics

00:57:36.660 --> 00:57:41.380
and make it all clean and sleek. And I know NZXT for a long time had the issues

00:57:41.380 --> 00:57:45.980
with what it was, like the H5s and the H7s or whatever. They looked really good,

00:57:45.980 --> 00:57:49.140
but you couldn't get a single ounce of air through the front, right?

00:57:49.140 --> 00:57:54.460
You know what? I think that's really fair. This is probably from looking at them,

00:57:54.460 --> 00:58:00.020
which you really can tell a lot from a case by looking at it, especially when you can see

00:58:00.020 --> 00:58:04.020
right through it. This is probably the best airflow case

00:58:04.020 --> 00:58:07.020
that we're going to look at today. Yeah.

00:58:07.020 --> 00:58:09.660
Especially that front panel. That front panel was like crazy.

00:58:10.660 --> 00:58:14.340
So do you think they get one point? However, hear me out.

00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:18.220
Okay, so let's look. And again, the comparisons, the thief of joy,

00:58:18.220 --> 00:58:23.620
as Puff always said. That has a looser mesh, you know?

00:58:23.620 --> 00:58:28.340
It has more fan filtration than this one does. This actually doesn't have a filter on these front fans.

00:58:28.340 --> 00:58:33.020
That, I kind of want to take off a half a bonus point for that actually, now that I noticed that.

00:58:33.020 --> 00:58:36.020
That's a downer, if you have pets especially. I can adjust it.

00:58:36.020 --> 00:58:41.980
Yeah, I think we should do that. But while this doesn't have as open a mesh as that one,

00:58:41.980 --> 00:58:46.380
what it does have is four fans. Sure, yeah. Two of which are blowing directly into the bottom

00:58:46.380 --> 00:58:50.860
of our GPU while Corsair with the frame 4000 here

00:58:50.860 --> 00:58:55.340
is relying on old paradigm just kind of blowing here

00:58:55.340 --> 00:58:59.140
and hoping any of it isn't heated up by the time it makes it all the way over here.

00:59:02.980 --> 00:59:07.300
So that's tough. Is the airflow better in a way that is meaningful

00:59:07.300 --> 00:59:10.500
to our hottest component in the system?

00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:14.860
Yeah, I would say no then. So I don't think I can...

00:59:14.860 --> 00:59:18.620
No bonus points? I don't think I can give it a bonus point for that, but... I did dock the 0.5.

00:59:18.620 --> 00:59:22.820
Yeah, they managed to get something docked from their competitor and hey,

00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:24.980
your competitor's loss is your win, right?

00:59:26.740 --> 00:59:30.780
Sure. I mean, that's a philosophy.

00:59:30.780 --> 00:59:33.820
I don't know that that's Corsair's philosophy, but it's a philosophy.

00:59:33.820 --> 00:59:37.980
All right, five plus seven plus eight plus four is 24.

00:59:39.060 --> 00:59:42.300
24 out of 35? Yes. Okay.

00:59:42.300 --> 00:59:44.860
It's in second place right now. That's okay.

00:59:46.700 --> 00:59:50.580
Should we fire it up so we can see what it looks like? We should and we should get all the side panels on

00:59:50.580 --> 00:59:55.580
and everything. Oh man, that kind of makes me want to give... Did we give a bonus to the other one for all the RGB?

00:59:55.580 --> 00:59:59.420
Which other one for the RGB? Langkool. I don't believe we did.

01:00:00.740 --> 01:00:05.980
They did fine. They're already winning, there you go. I think they're pretty comfortably coasting

01:00:05.980 --> 01:00:10.260
to first place here. What is this? Is this slightly too big?

01:00:11.540 --> 01:00:14.900
No, I just think it was not in properly. Okay, I got it.

01:00:15.020 --> 01:00:19.660
I got it, I got it. That's an interesting thing that I don't know

01:00:19.660 --> 01:00:23.020
that I would actually want to be see-through. And I guess that's why Corsair includes

01:00:23.020 --> 01:00:26.140
the blackout version of it. Okay, I get that now.

01:00:26.140 --> 01:00:29.860
Good job, Corsair. You don't get a point though.

01:00:32.540 --> 01:00:38.140
I feel like price is one of those things that we try to isolate by having a separate category for it,

01:00:38.140 --> 01:00:42.700
but you almost can't do it because everything has to come through the lens of, okay,

01:00:42.700 --> 01:00:44.900
but how much am I paying for it? Sure, yeah.

01:00:46.140 --> 01:00:52.060
Makes it really hard to assess the value of things just in general when you could pay more,

01:00:52.060 --> 01:00:56.100
twice as more and get twice as many features or whatever. That's a fine looking build.

01:00:56.100 --> 01:00:59.860
Yeah. Maybe even a touch cleaner.

01:00:59.860 --> 01:01:02.860
Try not to dock the white cooler. No, I get it, I get it.

01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:06.740
But no, I'm saying because of this. Maybe even it ends up a touch cooler,

01:01:06.740 --> 01:01:11.700
then a cleaner than the land cool. But it lacks the RGB, it was $20.

01:01:12.700 --> 01:01:19.700
A few more, a few more fans included. I think. Solid, feels good.

01:01:19.700 --> 01:01:22.780
I wouldn't necessarily say better. Feels good though.

01:01:22.780 --> 01:01:26.260
Sorry, what are you gonna say? I was gonna say, I feel like watching you build

01:01:26.260 --> 01:01:30.980
the land cool seemed overall like a better situation.

01:01:30.980 --> 01:01:34.780
This was easy, but the land cool gave me joy. I think, yeah, and that's why I think,

01:01:34.780 --> 01:01:37.440
I think we made the right choice with this one, not scoring as high.

01:01:38.660 --> 01:01:43.660
Even though you keep kind of going back and forth on, oh, was this and that, but.

01:01:43.660 --> 01:01:47.700
That's the thing. It's good, but it's not exciting, if that makes sense.

01:01:52.060 --> 01:01:55.460
But am I just a jaded PC reviewer?

01:01:56.420 --> 01:02:00.420
Like if you guys are having a different experience, like yeah, hit me up in the chat.

01:02:00.420 --> 01:02:06.100
Be like, hey Linus, I think you're being totally unfair, or hey, I think you're being totally too fair the other way.

01:02:06.100 --> 01:02:08.860
If it didn't excite you, you should be giving it a two out of 10.

01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:15.420
Call for blood, you know? Yeah, Linus, I think you are idiot.

01:02:16.940 --> 01:02:21.140
Not my blood. Oh, idiot.

01:02:21.140 --> 01:02:24.220
How much do you love this power button?

01:02:24.220 --> 01:02:27.500
Why? Oh, is it bad? It's something.

01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:32.420
That's the power button? I would not have guessed that. Crosshair.

01:02:32.420 --> 01:02:35.660
Looks like a butthole. Crosshair. Okay, okay, okay.

01:02:38.660 --> 01:02:43.100
Sven is nodding violently. It makes it even weirder, that Linus was just like rubbing his finger over it.

01:02:43.100 --> 01:02:46.660
Well, I didn't think anyone was gonna make it weird.

01:02:46.660 --> 01:02:48.140
Jeez, you guys.

01:02:50.460 --> 01:02:53.780
I don't know, I'd give the case less points for that.

01:02:53.780 --> 01:02:57.180
Chat disagrees. It loses the butthole bones.

01:02:57.180 --> 01:03:00.660
I actually don't know that Chat disagrees. Chat probably agrees knowing them.

01:03:03.620 --> 01:03:09.100
What, did you want me to move? No, just so I can see. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's not a lot to see in this one, unfortunately.

01:03:10.100 --> 01:03:13.460
That's about it. We get a little bit of RGB on that GPU from Asrock.

01:03:13.460 --> 01:03:16.500
We get some RGB on the CPU cooler from Valkyrie,

01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:18.580
our sponsor. And,

01:03:21.100 --> 01:03:26.100
yep. It doesn't, I think it doesn't look as good now.

01:03:28.300 --> 01:03:32.420
Yeah. Cause it had, even though like these are Crosshair fans,

01:03:32.420 --> 01:03:35.700
that one had like two RGB fans at the front, right? Yeah.

01:03:35.700 --> 01:03:38.940
I don't know. I think we made the right choice. I think we made the right choice.

01:03:38.980 --> 01:03:42.100
All right. On to case.

01:03:42.100 --> 01:03:45.100
Where does this go? Oh, it's going to take over one of our ones that we're going to work on.

01:03:45.100 --> 01:03:47.620
Do you want to work on that, Shafi? Put it here. All right.

01:03:48.820 --> 01:03:52.420
Mashify. I think this is the first of the cases

01:03:52.420 --> 01:03:55.660
that we've looked at today that I've actually built in before. Oh, okay, that's good.

01:03:55.660 --> 01:04:02.180
So this, there won't be any surprises. This is the top selling case on B&H for 99.99.

01:04:03.820 --> 01:04:07.260
So we're expecting this to land right smack dab

01:04:07.260 --> 01:04:10.260
down the middle of the last two cases that we looked at

01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:12.620
if it's going to compete on value.

01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:16.060
Boy. There we go.

01:04:17.100 --> 01:04:20.380
Come on. Come on. You can do it.

01:04:20.380 --> 01:04:23.620
You can do it. Mashify. All right.

01:04:25.980 --> 01:04:29.020
Am I going to get zapped? Ow, yo. I heard that.

01:04:29.020 --> 01:04:30.820
That was a good one. Ouch.

01:04:32.140 --> 01:04:34.980
Okay. Dang it.

01:04:35.980 --> 01:04:39.620
Again, same kind of... Crummy packing material. One hit packing material.

01:04:39.620 --> 01:04:44.260
Again. How y'all doing, chat?

01:04:44.260 --> 01:04:47.340
Oh, a lot of Fractal fans out there.

01:04:47.340 --> 01:04:51.620
Yup. Fractal was a big disrupter in the case industry

01:04:51.620 --> 01:04:55.900
when they showed up. I actually ordered,

01:04:57.220 --> 01:05:02.500
I don't think the first, but maybe the second container

01:05:02.500 --> 01:05:07.780
of Fractal design cases to North America. It was the Define R2.

01:05:07.780 --> 01:05:11.700
And I believe New Egg was the first to stock it.

01:05:11.700 --> 01:05:15.140
And then I saw it. I saw the reviews for it.

01:05:15.140 --> 01:05:20.140
And I was just like, we got a couple samples of it, if I recall correctly.

01:05:20.140 --> 01:05:23.580
And there were just so many little things that they had innovated on.

01:05:24.420 --> 01:05:28.340
Elijah, if you want to install the cooler on this. Oh, sure. Probably swell.

01:05:28.340 --> 01:05:33.300
So many little things that they had innovated on. They managed to get the look of the Antec P180,

01:05:33.300 --> 01:05:37.860
which was kind of the case at the time, at a much lower price.

01:05:37.860 --> 01:05:41.020
They didn't have the airflow zones of the P180,

01:05:41.020 --> 01:05:44.260
but they managed enough airflow.

01:05:44.260 --> 01:05:49.780
And they had this bitumen material, this acoustic dampening material on the inside

01:05:49.780 --> 01:05:52.940
that really made a huge difference

01:05:52.940 --> 01:05:58.420
to the acoustic profile of the system without costing as much as the like,

01:05:58.420 --> 01:06:01.700
six layer dip version that Antec had

01:06:01.700 --> 01:06:04.820
on their front panel of the case and on the side panels.

01:06:04.820 --> 01:06:07.860
So it was kind of, they came in as sort of

01:06:07.860 --> 01:06:11.180
like a budget knockoff, no offense fractal.

01:06:11.180 --> 01:06:14.980
I mean, search your feelings. You know this to be true.

01:06:14.980 --> 01:06:21.420
And over time, they've evolved as a company to become an innovator and to become one of the brands

01:06:21.420 --> 01:06:26.820
that is often copied. And I think the Meshify is actually an excellent example

01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:29.980
of just a well-executed, great value case

01:06:29.980 --> 01:06:33.980
that others have looked to and gone, oh, I kind of wish I thought of that.

01:06:36.140 --> 01:06:39.260
Front IO is not as robust as what we've seen

01:06:39.260 --> 01:06:42.860
on the last two more expensive cases, no USB-C,

01:06:42.860 --> 01:06:47.660
but we do have two USB 3.0 ports, but we have magnetic filters on the top,

01:06:47.660 --> 01:06:51.780
as well as a slide out from the front filter on the bottom.

01:06:51.780 --> 01:06:56.780
That's a little touch that so many companies try to do right

01:06:56.780 --> 01:06:59.860
and many fail because it's a lot more work

01:06:59.860 --> 01:07:04.420
to slide it out at the back when it's, you know, down below your desk and everything's all plugged

01:07:04.420 --> 01:07:08.940
into it at the back. It's kind of hard to get a long filter out there. So that's pretty nice to see.

01:07:08.940 --> 01:07:15.220
How's our, how's our front panel? Come on, there we go, give it the old, there we go.

01:07:16.220 --> 01:07:20.140
Already, there is one thing that I'm not liking compared to the frame.

01:07:20.140 --> 01:07:24.180
You can see, I can't really just remove all the pieces of it and get them out of my way.

01:07:24.180 --> 01:07:27.500
This is going to be a much more conventional order

01:07:27.500 --> 01:07:29.020
of operations build.

01:07:30.500 --> 01:07:35.380
Can't just like tear the whole thing apart and then tackle it in any order that I want.

01:07:35.380 --> 01:07:39.940
Do have a nice little removable basement cover here though.

01:07:39.940 --> 01:07:43.460
So this gives us the flexibility to either clear up space

01:07:43.460 --> 01:07:47.940
in the front to install up to a triple 120 millimeter radiator, which we won't be doing today.

01:07:47.940 --> 01:07:51.300
So we're going to leave it in for a much cleaner look

01:07:51.300 --> 01:07:55.280
that covers up all of our, you know, ugly power supply cables down in the bottom.

01:07:57.140 --> 01:08:00.820
These little nice fractal touches, it's good to see them staying true to their roots.

01:08:00.820 --> 01:08:05.860
We've got a nice little vibration dampening strip down here on the bottom, as well as another one

01:08:05.860 --> 01:08:10.940
up here on the top for our tempered glass side panel. I kind of take tempered glass for granted

01:08:10.940 --> 01:08:15.500
in any case that is anywhere near the $100 price point these days.

01:08:15.500 --> 01:08:19.100
It used to be that you could kind of get bonus points for that, but I don't think Fractal will be getting

01:08:19.100 --> 01:08:23.620
any here. Captive screws, all these love to see those,

01:08:23.620 --> 01:08:26.740
but again, that's, you're not going to stand out

01:08:26.740 --> 01:08:30.540
for them at this price point. Oh, hello.

01:08:30.540 --> 01:08:35.700
Oh, there we go, nice. Internet says you can remove only the middle part

01:08:35.700 --> 01:08:39.580
of the front. Sorry, only the middle part of the front,

01:08:39.580 --> 01:08:43.660
as opposed to what? You think, I don't, I'm not sure.

01:08:43.660 --> 01:08:47.140
I mean, let's have a look, let's see if we can figure out what you guys are talking about.

01:08:47.140 --> 01:08:51.740
Oh, the cover on it, or what? Let's hear, we'll remove this.

01:08:51.740 --> 01:08:52.580
There we go.

01:08:56.420 --> 01:09:02.580
Is there going to be a third screw over here? Nope. Okay, so that pops out, and then you can pop out

01:09:02.580 --> 01:09:05.700
these hard drive cages, and that'll give you the additional

01:09:05.700 --> 01:09:10.100
room that you need here. Oh, the mesh is a door. Yeah, I forgot about that too.

01:09:10.100 --> 01:09:13.180
Yeah, so if you put the front cover back on. Mm-hmm.

01:09:14.860 --> 01:09:19.020
Yep. And then just remove the door. And just remove the door.

01:09:19.060 --> 01:09:22.500
So if you pull the Fractal Logo, I built in a couple of these.

01:09:22.500 --> 01:09:26.500
Fractal Logo on the front, pull on that, it's a door.

01:09:29.500 --> 01:09:32.900
Oh, it doesn't look like it. I'm sure it is.

01:09:32.900 --> 01:09:36.180
Maybe it's secured in some way. Or pull harder.

01:09:37.380 --> 01:09:41.260
Yeah, don't be a win. I don't think, here, close up, you can see how hard I'm pulling on this thing.

01:09:44.020 --> 01:09:48.940
Try from the top, I don't know. It's gotta be secured, it's gotta be secured in some way.

01:09:48.940 --> 01:09:49.860
Hold on, hold on.

01:09:52.060 --> 01:09:53.140
Is it screwed shut?

01:09:58.620 --> 01:10:01.580
You might have broken it earlier. Don't pull the logo.

01:10:02.540 --> 01:10:05.380
Hold on. Pull the mesh on the panel. What are you stuck on?

01:10:08.980 --> 01:10:13.340
Oh, you just removed the entire door, yeah. But it's a door.

01:10:13.340 --> 01:10:17.180
It's a door. I mean, how sure are you, Dan?

01:10:18.180 --> 01:10:22.460
Maybe that was on the larger one? I think it's definitely stuck on something.

01:10:22.460 --> 01:10:27.260
Yeah, here, tell you what, I'll get a second opinion here.

01:10:27.260 --> 01:10:31.660
I do not believe that this is a door based on my current situation.

01:10:32.500 --> 01:10:34.420
This goes into the top like that.

01:10:35.860 --> 01:10:39.700
And this clips onto the bottom, all along here.

01:10:39.700 --> 01:10:43.100
Oh, maybe this model of a variety doesn't have a door.

01:10:43.100 --> 01:10:46.140
Okay. But anyway, that was the intended way to get into the front of the case.

01:10:46.180 --> 01:10:49.740
Uh-huh. Not a door. You know what?

01:10:49.740 --> 01:10:54.540
I like my way better. This was more work. Yeah, yeah, cause it's not a door.

01:10:54.540 --> 01:10:57.580
Cause I couldn't even, here, here, I'll show you guys what I mean.

01:10:57.580 --> 01:11:03.980
Look at this. Oh, the door is on the mesh if I too. Thanks Floor Plane for helping us break the case.

01:11:03.980 --> 01:11:07.740
So I, oh, no, I can reach that.

01:11:07.740 --> 01:11:11.140
Okay, okay, hold on. Okay, so here's how it works.

01:11:11.140 --> 01:11:15.540
You reach up into here and you can release this latch.

01:11:15.540 --> 01:11:19.300
There you go. To remove this. Which meshifies this?

01:11:19.300 --> 01:11:23.820
This is meshify one. And this is the meshify, this is the meshify C.

01:11:23.820 --> 01:11:28.020
Yes. Okay, so this is a fan filter,

01:11:28.020 --> 01:11:32.820
but it's not an easily cleanable one. It's a foam style one.

01:11:32.820 --> 01:11:35.900
And it's just attached to the, you know,

01:11:35.900 --> 01:11:40.820
the kind of cool, tessellated looking shape thing

01:11:40.820 --> 01:11:45.020
that they've got going on here. Are the fingerprints is apparent in IRL spaces?

01:11:45.020 --> 01:11:51.340
The fingerprints are very apparent in person. Yes. But I also wouldn't have had my grubby finger paws

01:11:51.340 --> 01:11:54.980
all over them if you guys hadn't told me that I could remove it as a door.

01:11:54.980 --> 01:11:58.940
So. The newer ones are a door. That's on me.

01:11:58.940 --> 01:12:03.460
Okay. All right, let's go ahead and fix this bad boy now.

01:12:03.460 --> 01:12:07.980
You know what? No, I'm going to keep this out for now. Just because maybe that'll make the build.

01:12:07.980 --> 01:12:11.420
Nope, that will not make the build process even slightly easier.

01:12:11.420 --> 01:12:15.780
Cool. Let's throw our motherboard in here.

01:12:15.780 --> 01:12:19.860
With our coolers. Fractal does a great job of this. And yeah, here we go.

01:12:19.860 --> 01:12:23.900
This case is no exception. They've got the nine included.

01:12:23.900 --> 01:12:27.860
Nope. Just one included.

01:12:27.860 --> 01:12:31.500
Motherboard standoff. Oh boy.

01:12:31.500 --> 01:12:35.340
So this is the first version. They're up to version three now.

01:12:35.340 --> 01:12:40.620
Look, we didn't pick the cases. We bought the most popular cases.

01:12:40.620 --> 01:12:43.900
I just find that interesting. How much is a Meshify three?

01:12:43.900 --> 01:12:45.740
Is it $99?

01:12:47.580 --> 01:12:50.100
I got 99 Meshfies, but this ain't one.

01:12:51.180 --> 01:12:54.180
It's like 200 bucks. Maybe she told us that.

01:12:54.180 --> 01:12:58.540
Oh, sorry. Did you say $200? Is that the middle one?

01:12:59.700 --> 01:13:02.980
The middle one. Because they do a large one. Oh, I don't know.

01:13:02.980 --> 01:13:06.460
Yeah, okay. Look, either way.

01:13:06.460 --> 01:13:09.860
Oh, it's very different. Oh yeah. This is the Meshify C,

01:13:09.860 --> 01:13:13.300
and this is what we're comparing today. This was the most popular on V&H.

01:13:13.300 --> 01:13:17.380
Yep. Oh man. Okay, so they're at least sorted into separate baggies.

01:13:17.380 --> 01:13:22.700
Labels are really out of fashion though. I mean, I guess it makes sense from a skew management perspective.

01:13:23.660 --> 01:13:27.260
You know, you take these two blank bags

01:13:27.260 --> 01:13:31.540
or just one skew, but as soon as you put labels on them, now they're two skews.

01:13:31.540 --> 01:13:36.740
So I get it. I often like it. $190 US dollars for the version three of this case.

01:13:36.740 --> 01:13:41.180
Yeah, so that's a markedly more expensive case, and I don't think is really comparable.

01:13:41.180 --> 01:13:44.460
I think we need to stay focused on the actual case that we have here today.

01:13:44.460 --> 01:13:48.340
The case that doesn't have the standoffs pre-installed in it.

01:13:48.340 --> 01:13:51.980
Oh, that's one. It has the one center one,

01:13:51.980 --> 01:13:55.260
which means that out of every case we've looked at,

01:13:55.260 --> 01:14:00.020
including the $40 case, this has the fewest pre-installed standoffs.

01:14:00.020 --> 01:14:03.020
Okay, I would argue that the ones installed

01:14:03.020 --> 01:14:06.180
in the $40 case almost seemed like a mistake

01:14:06.180 --> 01:14:11.340
because it had the center one and then the top center one and no other one.

01:14:11.340 --> 01:14:15.660
It's a, and if you consider that that was for an MATX case,

01:14:15.660 --> 01:14:19.520
the proportion of the standoffs that were installed in it

01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:24.100
compared to how many I would need to finish my build was actually much higher.

01:14:24.100 --> 01:14:27.700
Don't think that's a fair way to rate it, but okay. I don't, I mean, look,

01:14:27.700 --> 01:14:29.960
do I have to be fair when I'm unhappy?

01:14:31.900 --> 01:14:34.340
Yeah, that's. Yes.

01:14:35.340 --> 01:14:40.100
Although I have to talk about this in your annual performance review,

01:14:40.100 --> 01:14:43.140
and I'm not happy about it. Yeah, the fact that you have to do

01:14:43.140 --> 01:14:46.540
an annual performance review. Yeah, I'd be very unhappy. That's why you're not happy about it.

01:14:46.540 --> 01:14:49.780
If he makes it to the review anyway. That's true.

01:14:49.780 --> 01:14:53.500
Well, have I not made it to an annual performance review?

01:14:53.500 --> 01:14:58.740
Is this a record I'm not getting? No, no, I'm saying Elijah might not. If I make it, because you know, you might ever, you know,

01:14:58.740 --> 01:15:02.980
kick me in your pool or something. I'm legitimately kidding. I am not Elijah's manager

01:15:02.980 --> 01:15:05.860
and I don't do his annual performance review. Yes.

01:15:07.200 --> 01:15:11.740
What if one day. It's so ominous. What if you hire me a CVO too?

01:15:11.740 --> 01:15:14.860
And then you technically would be my manager, right? I don't think that's how that works.

01:15:14.860 --> 01:15:19.220
I don't think, when you hire someone, you hire them as the sequel of your own position.

01:15:21.220 --> 01:15:22.360
CVOE?

01:15:24.300 --> 01:15:28.180
Exec, or no, CV. What about, what about CVO Ultra?

01:15:28.180 --> 01:15:32.780
Or it's like Ultramax. Oh yeah. Oh dude.

01:15:32.780 --> 01:15:36.700
We at Apple love to have a CVO too.

01:15:36.700 --> 01:15:41.340
Do that to ACAM. Does this only include two rinky dink fans?

01:15:41.340 --> 01:15:44.900
Sorry, I can't. Oh, you're right. Oh my goodness. Oh yeah, this one.

01:15:44.900 --> 01:15:50.700
Oh, uh-oh, yeah. No RGB, no, you know, daisy chain by default.

01:15:50.700 --> 01:15:54.100
I gotta say, I am looking back on my time

01:15:54.100 --> 01:15:57.740
with the Corsair Frame 4000,

01:15:57.740 --> 01:16:00.900
much more favorably at this point.

01:16:00.940 --> 01:16:04.420
Yeah. For a $10 difference between this and that,

01:16:04.420 --> 01:16:07.900
I feel like you get more than $10 so far.

01:16:07.900 --> 01:16:11.020
Or for saving $10 by going with the Land Cool,

01:16:11.020 --> 01:16:13.900
this is a no-brainer, dude.

01:16:15.780 --> 01:16:19.740
It's, to be clear, I haven't seen anything that is bad.

01:16:19.740 --> 01:16:24.740
Yes. Sure. It's fine. It just is not standing out

01:16:24.740 --> 01:16:26.820
compared to the competition at this point.

01:16:28.980 --> 01:16:32.540
Would you like to do a merge message while you're installing? Yeah, I would. Dan, hit us.

01:16:33.620 --> 01:16:36.700
Sure thing, let's see. Hi, lead.

01:16:36.700 --> 01:16:41.420
What unusual, exotic, or non-existent case feature

01:16:41.420 --> 01:16:45.420
would you like to see become more standard? And what standard feature would you like to see

01:16:45.420 --> 01:16:51.140
disappear from the market? Ooh, I think that's almost too easy of one.

01:16:51.140 --> 01:16:54.340
The standard feature that I'd like to see disappear from the market

01:16:54.340 --> 01:16:59.340
is the current just disgusting mess that is ARGB.

01:17:00.300 --> 01:17:04.860
Yeah. The industry standard connector is so terrible

01:17:04.860 --> 01:17:08.300
that I don't blame the companies like Corsair

01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:12.940
for trying to reinvent that wheel because it's a stupid triangular wheel.

01:17:12.940 --> 01:17:17.940
And then the closed ecosystem connectors

01:17:17.980 --> 01:17:22.020
are so expensive that I totally understand why nobody wants to...

01:17:22.020 --> 01:17:25.620
That was close. Ooh, that was close.

01:17:25.620 --> 01:17:30.980
That I totally understand why nobody wants to invest in them and then get locked into this bloody ecosystem

01:17:30.980 --> 01:17:37.500
that they don't even know if they're gonna have any continuity in. Like, I hate it.

01:17:37.500 --> 01:17:41.100
It sucks. As for stuff that I like,

01:17:41.100 --> 01:17:45.540
that I would like to see become standard, well, I think we've seen some examples today for sure.

01:17:45.540 --> 01:17:48.620
Rackmount gaming. Oh, okay. That's my...

01:17:49.780 --> 01:17:55.540
I wish it was just cheaper. I understand that it's a low volume item.

01:17:55.540 --> 01:18:00.180
You're not gonna sell as many consumer grade gaming rack-mounted chassis,

01:18:00.180 --> 01:18:05.180
but the ones I got from Sliger are like 220 US dollars each.

01:18:06.260 --> 01:18:12.540
And it's like, oh, and that's like a cheap one because I think Rosewell has some as well.

01:18:12.540 --> 01:18:15.580
Like, it's too expensive.

01:18:15.580 --> 01:18:21.340
Yeah, I can see that. The problem is that to have your gaming setup

01:18:21.340 --> 01:18:25.580
be compatible with it, you have to have a rack.

01:18:26.580 --> 01:18:30.220
And that's a lot of food you gotta eat.

01:18:34.420 --> 01:18:37.260
I'm working on the new rubric. Ding?

01:18:40.260 --> 01:18:45.340
That was probably one. I was gonna, my gut said ding.

01:18:45.340 --> 01:18:50.660
Some gamers, some gamers, they're naturally gonna acquire the rack, you know?

01:18:50.660 --> 01:18:54.740
For their networking equipment. Like one percent or less. For their networking equipment.

01:18:55.620 --> 01:19:00.340
Either way, rack-mount gaming, I want more of it.

01:19:00.340 --> 01:19:04.580
Shoot, I actually had thought of something that wasn't something that we looked at today

01:19:04.580 --> 01:19:08.140
and now I'm really upset that I forget. So I'm just gonna cheat

01:19:08.140 --> 01:19:14.620
and I'm gonna go with something that we saw today and that is I loved that sideways power supply mount.

01:19:14.620 --> 01:19:21.100
Oh, yeah, I agree. I would love to see that just become fairly standard.

01:19:21.100 --> 01:19:26.420
I don't know that it needs to be in every case. Certainly there will be more value-oriented cases

01:19:26.420 --> 01:19:30.580
where it doesn't really make sense, but I'd say if you're charging $100 for your case

01:19:30.580 --> 01:19:34.260
and your competitor has that feature, you should just have it. I agree.

01:19:35.900 --> 01:19:39.460
There are trade-offs still. Like you're probably giving up some flexibility around

01:19:39.460 --> 01:19:44.380
like hard drive mounting and stuff like that, but for most cases I feel like that is such a low priority

01:19:44.380 --> 01:19:50.380
already anyway that I'd say just, yeah, just take it away. Yeah, like hard drive mounting is just a low priority.

01:19:50.380 --> 01:19:54.600
Now, right, like having 3.5-inch drives or whatever.

01:19:55.980 --> 01:19:59.460
Are you making fun of me? Yeah. Why?

01:20:00.380 --> 01:20:04.300
Because it's so easy. Well, no, no, no, I'm saying like having a lot of space

01:20:04.300 --> 01:20:08.900
for 3.5-inch drives in your system is a low priority. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:20:08.900 --> 01:20:10.860
Like having 3.5-inch drives,

01:20:12.500 --> 01:20:15.940
are we arguing about the same thing? I have no idea what you're talking about. Okay.

01:20:17.620 --> 01:20:21.220
How about we move on then? Sure. Okay.

01:20:23.220 --> 01:20:27.100
Another merge message, I guess, I don't know. Whatever can fill the awkward silence.

01:20:27.100 --> 01:20:30.460
I know, right? Yeah, hit us, hit us, hit us. Hey, Linus. Hey.

01:20:30.460 --> 01:20:36.340
I have been using my Steam Deck as a living room console and was wondering if any of y'all have a small list

01:20:36.340 --> 01:20:41.980
of great local multiplayer games besides tape-to-tape, LeMau, much love from Texas.

01:20:41.980 --> 01:20:47.340
Pummel party. Pummel party? Yep. It's basically Mario Party, but.

01:20:47.340 --> 01:20:51.740
Guns. Yeah. Rated like 14A.

01:20:51.740 --> 01:20:57.180
There's a lot more board action in Pummel Party. Like you can actually interact on the board a lot more.

01:20:57.180 --> 01:21:01.300
And it feels a little less tedious to get through.

01:21:01.300 --> 01:21:04.700
Every, yes. Many times you mash A in Mario Party

01:21:04.700 --> 01:21:09.100
because you're just like, hurry up with the dialogue, hurry up with the dialogue and yeah.

01:21:09.100 --> 01:21:13.780
With that said, Mario Party definitely has some quality of life features that I missed playing through a full round

01:21:13.780 --> 01:21:17.380
of Pummel Party for the first time with you guys the other day. Was that your first time playing through a full round?

01:21:17.380 --> 01:21:20.420
Yeah. Okay, yeah. I like a partial round before I think,

01:21:20.420 --> 01:21:23.900
but I've never actually made it through a full one because I'm usually the host.

01:21:23.900 --> 01:21:26.220
Yeah. So I get pulled away to do stuff.

01:21:28.220 --> 01:21:30.940
Like in Mario Party, you can practice the minigame,

01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:35.820
which is nice when it's your first time playing. You can do it in Pummel Party. It's just, I didn't see it.

01:21:35.820 --> 01:21:39.820
We just didn't do it. All I saw was the explanation.

01:21:39.820 --> 01:21:45.060
No, there's a way to practice. I think you have to enable it before you start the board.

01:21:45.060 --> 01:21:48.580
But there is a way that you can do a practice. Cool. Yeah.

01:21:48.580 --> 01:21:51.780
All right, then make of that what you will.

01:21:51.780 --> 01:21:55.900
I really like, I really like Mage Quit.

01:21:55.900 --> 01:22:01.740
That's a good one too. Yeah, it's like a bomb squad slash poi poi slash,

01:22:02.700 --> 01:22:07.700
I don't know what other games to compare it to. Probably most people have never heard of either of those.

01:22:07.700 --> 01:22:12.300
Like Arena Brawler type game that supports up to,

01:22:12.300 --> 01:22:15.540
is it 10 or 12 players or something like that? It's a lot.

01:22:15.540 --> 01:22:20.260
Yeah, it's a lot. In local multiplayer, which is really cool. It might be eight, it might be eight.

01:22:20.260 --> 01:22:23.500
Either way, it's a blast and what's nice about it

01:22:23.500 --> 01:22:27.780
is it has a really clever built-in rubber banding

01:22:27.780 --> 01:22:32.780
that feels kind of, it feels kind of unfair in a fair way.

01:22:36.180 --> 01:22:40.740
I'm so sorry, I'm really trying not to have that.

01:22:40.740 --> 01:22:46.620
So when you win the first round, you get a later pick for ability upgrades,

01:22:46.620 --> 01:22:50.460
for later rounds. So at the start, that acts like I said,

01:22:50.460 --> 01:22:53.500
as a really nice kind of rubber band,

01:22:53.500 --> 01:22:58.860
providing an advantage in ability upgrades to the lesser skilled players.

01:22:58.860 --> 01:23:04.120
And then over time, as everybody gets good, then it becomes like a different meta

01:23:04.120 --> 01:23:09.180
where you strategically might throw a particular round in order to get a strategic pick.

01:23:09.180 --> 01:23:14.140
So it's got a really high skill ceiling while still managing to be pretty friendly for new players.

01:23:14.140 --> 01:23:15.940
I think it's a really cool game.

01:23:19.060 --> 01:23:23.300
Do you wanna hit me with the power supply screws or did you put them away again? I don't, I have them here, sorry.

01:23:23.300 --> 01:23:27.060
Noice. How about another one? Sure. Sure, hit me, Dan.

01:23:27.060 --> 01:23:32.060
Hey, Alinas, would the transparent screwdriver be a limited run or would it stay for a while on the store?

01:23:32.060 --> 01:23:37.060
Plus, could we have a price reveal? Would it be the same price as a regular screwdriver?

01:23:37.060 --> 01:23:44.380
Ooh, those are good questions. I mean, almost everything's a regular item until,

01:23:44.380 --> 01:23:47.860
You know. You discontinue it. Yeah, we discontinue it for some reason or another,

01:23:47.860 --> 01:23:51.260
whether there's a costing change that makes it not make sense anymore

01:23:51.260 --> 01:23:55.380
or whether a supplier disappears or bones us

01:23:55.380 --> 01:24:01.100
or the second order quality doesn't match the first one or demand sucks and we have to blow them away

01:24:01.100 --> 01:24:05.540
and we're obviously not gonna bring in more of something that we blew away at cost or below cost.

01:24:05.540 --> 01:24:08.900
So is it a forever item?

01:24:08.900 --> 01:24:13.220
I don't know. That's kind of up to all of you, isn't it?

01:24:13.220 --> 01:24:18.220
Yeah, because there's a lot of demand. As for pricing, that's a good question.

01:24:18.220 --> 01:24:22.240
Let me see if I could talk to the person who would know.

01:24:28.300 --> 01:24:30.300
Hello, I'm sorry, hold on.

01:24:41.500 --> 01:24:45.180
Hello? Do you like excitement?

01:24:45.180 --> 01:24:49.100
Do you like suspense? Do you like Nell Carter?

01:24:51.140 --> 01:24:55.460
Good, cause you won't find her here. This is the house of horrors.

01:24:55.460 --> 01:24:58.900
And for you, it's absolutely free. Step right in.

01:24:58.900 --> 01:25:01.460
Sorry, sorry, sorry. You're live on the show.

01:25:02.500 --> 01:25:07.940
I'm just gonna go ahead and ask you a quick question that I don't know if you're allowed to answer yet.

01:25:07.940 --> 01:25:12.300
Oh geez, okay. Do we know the retail pricing of the clear screwdriver yet?

01:25:16.460 --> 01:25:20.300
You don't have to answer. You don't have to answer. This is not an obligation.

01:25:22.900 --> 01:25:26.460
Can I call you right back? Sure. All right, bye.

01:25:28.660 --> 01:25:34.460
Cool. Taren actually had a gun to his head off camera. I don't know how much higher we can escalate this call.

01:25:35.900 --> 01:25:40.300
He's literally calling Taren. I don't know who he's calling.

01:25:40.300 --> 01:25:43.540
He's probably in a meeting. I bet you that's why he was asking you to wait.

01:25:43.540 --> 01:25:47.380
I have no idea what he was doing. I'm not his mother.

01:25:47.380 --> 01:25:51.340
If we get a call back, we'll answer it. Yep, yep. But in the meantime, we might need to move on.

01:25:51.340 --> 01:25:54.260
Yeah. You got another question?

01:25:55.860 --> 01:25:58.900
Oh, we're not gonna have enough for the next case. We still got one more, right?

01:25:58.900 --> 01:26:02.740
Yeah, at least one. You have one hour remaining. Oh, we got this.

01:26:02.740 --> 01:26:06.540
What? Oh, we're gonna be fine. Oh yeah. This one has gone really quick, by the way.

01:26:06.540 --> 01:26:10.220
Yeah, well, there's not really anything to say. Yeah, it's kind of just a standard case.

01:26:10.220 --> 01:26:14.780
It's a good case. I built two in these. They're great, but they're a case.

01:26:14.780 --> 01:26:18.140
Yeah, they're not. It's definitely not exciting.

01:26:18.140 --> 01:26:22.340
This is the kind of thing that I feel like, you know what, here's what I need to know, Dan.

01:26:22.340 --> 01:26:25.420
Can you do a little bit of quick research for us? Absolutely.

01:26:25.420 --> 01:26:28.820
Is it possible that this is not a $99 case? Like what's the-

01:26:28.820 --> 01:26:33.180
So this is the Meshify-C for DNA? Yeah, what's the price history for it, though, on Amazon?

01:26:33.180 --> 01:26:36.980
Like is this one of those cases that's 99 until it's promo'd for 69?

01:26:36.980 --> 01:26:41.980
I've seen it on New Egg for, on sale, 110 Canadian.

01:26:43.420 --> 01:26:48.300
So that's 70. Normally it's 140. Let me get the thing open. Yeah, let's see if we can get a little bit more context

01:26:48.300 --> 01:26:52.780
for it, because if this is one of those things where they're pricing it at 99,

01:26:52.780 --> 01:26:56.700
just to make their everyday sale price seem a little bit more attractive,

01:26:56.700 --> 01:27:01.420
that's not a sales tactic that I personally love, but it's also not one that might be

01:27:01.420 --> 01:27:05.140
fractals fault necessarily. Mx is doing it at 144.

01:27:05.140 --> 01:27:08.220
Canadian. So that would be 100 bucks.

01:27:08.220 --> 01:27:10.180
Oh, I have an answer for you. One sec.

01:27:12.660 --> 01:27:16.780
Hello, you are live on the stream. How much will the transparent screwdriver cost?

01:27:18.020 --> 01:27:23.940
Same as regular. So 69, 99 are actually 69 in NUS,

01:27:23.940 --> 01:27:27.740
and then the comparable on worldwide.

01:27:27.740 --> 01:27:32.460
Wow. I'm actually kind of surprised. I think when we had initially discussed the product,

01:27:32.460 --> 01:27:38.900
the plan had been to have a $10 upcharge, but I guess we've managed to make that work

01:27:38.900 --> 01:27:44.700
for the people, hey? Okay. Yeah, we mapped the math, and we made it work, so.

01:27:44.700 --> 01:27:48.220
Wow, okay, that's outstanding. Okay, great news, thanks, Nick.

01:27:48.220 --> 01:27:51.420
All right, I'll give you a quick one. Okay, take care, man.

01:27:51.420 --> 01:27:55.980
Goodbye. The math was we just need to sell 200,000 of them.

01:27:55.980 --> 01:28:00.220
Yeah. Well, that would be fine. I'd be into, we actually had to make

01:28:00.220 --> 01:28:05.100
mold changes for this. Oh, did you? I didn't know I didn't wear that. Yeah, in order to get rid of the flow issues.

01:28:05.100 --> 01:28:08.180
Oh, did I not get to that part of the story earlier? No, you talked about the flow issues.

01:28:08.180 --> 01:28:12.740
I didn't realize that it was a different mold. I thought you were talking about the type of injection you ended up, like the material.

01:28:12.740 --> 01:28:19.740
We didn't need a new mold, but we had to make alterations to like our expensive mold

01:28:20.020 --> 01:28:23.380
in order to get this done. Are we still using that mold? That's a really high quality mold.

01:28:23.380 --> 01:28:26.380
Okay. Does this one have a glass panel?

01:28:26.380 --> 01:28:31.940
Yes. Yes, it does have a glass panel. So there was one without the glass panel for 90 bucks.

01:28:31.940 --> 01:28:35.700
And then this one has the- Canadian? No, this is at B&H, so US.

01:28:35.700 --> 01:28:40.220
Okay. And this one has the dark tempered glass panel, which is more like a hundred US.

01:28:40.220 --> 01:28:45.420
So basically it is- But it seems like it's about $100 across the board.

01:28:45.420 --> 01:28:48.460
Okay. Okay. That doesn't bow well for it.

01:28:48.460 --> 01:28:53.740
No, it doesn't. It's on the pricier side for cases.

01:28:53.740 --> 01:28:57.020
I think so, especially when we compare it back to

01:28:57.020 --> 01:29:01.700
even the Corsair, which was $10 more, you got some better features, I feel like,

01:29:01.700 --> 01:29:04.940
or the Lee and Lee one, which was $10 cheaper.

01:29:04.940 --> 01:29:08.180
To be clear, there's little thoughtful things.

01:29:08.180 --> 01:29:12.140
Okay. You've got a nice little cutout that is perfectly sized

01:29:12.140 --> 01:29:15.180
for the front panel audio connector down in here. Can we switch camera down?

01:29:15.180 --> 01:29:19.260
So it kinda, anytime you're ready to end. Yep. So like you can pass it right through there.

01:29:19.260 --> 01:29:23.660
It doesn't interfere with your power supply or anything like that, you know? I love to see stuff like that.

01:29:23.660 --> 01:29:27.820
You've got another nice little pass through for your front panel connectors right here.

01:29:28.820 --> 01:29:33.580
And one nice thing that I could say about this case

01:29:33.580 --> 01:29:37.100
is that if you were following a guide, you know?

01:29:37.100 --> 01:29:42.380
Yep. If you're following a guide on the internet, say how to build a PC, the last guide you'll ever need.

01:29:42.380 --> 01:29:45.780
Or, I mean, more realistically,

01:29:45.780 --> 01:29:48.860
I'd say the better of our guides for people to follow

01:29:48.860 --> 01:29:52.780
if they really have never built a PC before are the FPV guides.

01:29:52.780 --> 01:29:56.940
We've done two of them, and I think we do a really great

01:29:56.940 --> 01:30:00.020
job of the kind of camera positioning

01:30:00.020 --> 01:30:04.260
and making the point of view so accurate

01:30:04.260 --> 01:30:09.300
to how you're actually going to be seeing the system as you're working on it, that we've seen a lot

01:30:09.300 --> 01:30:12.820
of feedback from people that they're just hands down. The easiest video is to follow along

01:30:12.820 --> 01:30:16.340
if you've never built a PC. Obviously, you're not necessarily gonna be using

01:30:16.340 --> 01:30:23.820
exactly the same parts, but what I would say about this case is it is a C-A-S-E case.

01:30:24.540 --> 01:30:27.740
Yep. And so if you were following some generic guide

01:30:27.740 --> 01:30:30.980
on the internet and you picked up a Meshify C,

01:30:30.980 --> 01:30:35.220
boy, would you ever be able to follow that generic guide on the internet?

01:30:35.220 --> 01:30:39.620
That POV build was always so interesting to me. I was always wondering who was the type of people

01:30:39.620 --> 01:30:44.340
to watch that. I never understood it. And then recently I got into a call with some people

01:30:44.340 --> 01:30:49.380
I'd never talked with, and they said that their first and only video that they have ever watched

01:30:49.380 --> 01:30:53.860
was when they were trying to build their first PC and they watched the FPV guide.

01:30:53.860 --> 01:31:00.500
And I was like, that's crazy to me. I was like, but I guess there's a demand for it.

01:31:00.500 --> 01:31:05.940
And I never realized that. Oh, 100%. That's, I mean, it's not the kind of thing

01:31:05.940 --> 01:31:10.220
that we can upload every week because the regular viewers,

01:31:10.220 --> 01:31:13.540
they just, they tune right out.

01:31:13.540 --> 01:31:18.320
Like that's one of those videos that if you're familiar with YouTube metrics, you'll know that every time

01:31:18.320 --> 01:31:22.420
you upload a video, you get this number out of 10.

01:31:22.460 --> 01:31:27.080
And that's pretty much YouTube telling you how much you should value yourself that day.

01:31:28.820 --> 01:31:33.340
Yep. So you can see my value for myself and Elijah too

01:31:33.340 --> 01:31:38.340
is number two out of 10, which is pretty okay.

01:31:38.460 --> 01:31:42.180
It hit a one out of 10. But it's not quite the dopamine hit of a one. Yeah.

01:31:42.180 --> 01:31:47.020
You know, okay. So whenever we do those, like how to build a PC,

01:31:47.020 --> 01:31:50.580
you know, POV, whatever types of guides

01:31:50.620 --> 01:31:54.700
that realistically a lot of y'all, you know how to build a computer?

01:31:54.700 --> 01:32:01.180
Yeah, kind of thought so. The core audience doesn't really get into it.

01:32:01.180 --> 01:32:04.580
And so they tend to start out as a 10 out of 10,

01:32:04.580 --> 01:32:11.060
which sounds great unless you have the context of what that means from a YouTube analytics standpoint.

01:32:11.060 --> 01:32:14.980
So here, I'll show you what that looks like in terms of a view curve.

01:32:14.980 --> 01:32:18.540
This gray range here is the typical range

01:32:18.540 --> 01:32:21.540
of video performance. Wowee.

01:32:21.540 --> 01:32:26.540
So this started at half the bottom of the typical range

01:32:26.940 --> 01:32:31.940
and it took a whopping, let me just have a quick look here,

01:32:32.340 --> 01:32:36.060
a whopping from, here we go,

01:32:36.060 --> 01:32:40.900
May of 2024 to May of 2025.

01:32:40.900 --> 01:32:46.140
A whole year. A whopping year to reach escape velocity

01:32:46.140 --> 01:32:49.700
from the typical range. But if we leave that for another year,

01:32:49.700 --> 01:32:52.780
it would like double again. Like it would be pretty insane.

01:32:52.780 --> 01:32:56.120
Because, and again, this is something that's not typical.

01:32:56.120 --> 01:33:02.760
The view curve is a straight line. Actually, there's a small inflection point there, right?

01:33:03.660 --> 01:33:07.860
That's not typical. Typical view curve goes big burst of regular viewers

01:33:07.860 --> 01:33:12.540
and I don't know, maybe you'll find an audience eventually, but it really flattens out in a big way.

01:33:12.540 --> 01:33:18.780
So a little bit inside baseball for you guys. Yes, we are aware of the importance of those builds.

01:33:19.780 --> 01:33:24.600
Especially for novice builders. But it's not the kind of thing that we can do all the time

01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:29.100
because I just can't afford to have my channel die.

01:33:30.420 --> 01:33:33.580
Yet. And this is the kind of gamification

01:33:33.580 --> 01:33:37.400
that professional YouTubers have to do that we really wish we didn't.

01:33:37.400 --> 01:33:40.440
Yeah, whether it's like, we hear you guys every time

01:33:40.440 --> 01:33:45.420
we upload a thumbnail or a title that you guys necessarily don't really enjoy

01:33:45.420 --> 01:33:49.220
because you think it might be too click-baity or something. But it's one of those cases of like,

01:33:49.220 --> 01:33:54.660
we wouldn't do it if we like, didn't have to do it to get the clicks and views.

01:33:54.660 --> 01:33:58.060
And we always do our best to make sure it's not click-bait, it's click-e.

01:33:58.060 --> 01:34:03.160
And I think there's a very fine line to balance, but you know, we don't want to deceive you

01:34:03.160 --> 01:34:07.020
when you click on the video. And I think we're always tuning it, we're always trying to do better.

01:34:07.020 --> 01:34:10.460
Yeah. And sometimes we make mistakes

01:34:10.460 --> 01:34:13.620
and sometimes we, sometimes we nail it.

01:34:14.860 --> 01:34:18.580
We have definitely made mistakes with titles and changed them five minutes after posting.

01:34:19.620 --> 01:34:23.940
And what was it? The iPhone for poor people or something like that? No, it was the Mac, it was the...

01:34:23.940 --> 01:34:27.460
Finally a Mac for poor people. Yeah, it was like finally a Mac for poor people or something.

01:34:27.460 --> 01:34:32.980
That's a banger title. I thought it was a banger title. I personally signed off on the title

01:34:32.980 --> 01:34:38.580
and Elijah was like, that's crazy. I said in the, I said in the writing review

01:34:38.580 --> 01:34:43.260
or script review, I was like, we should not do this. We kind of chuckled or like, ha, that's funny.

01:34:43.260 --> 01:34:48.060
I said, we should not do this. Linus was like, nah. I was like, we're gonna have to change it.

01:34:48.060 --> 01:34:53.260
He's like, nah. Good choice. Five minutes after upload, we changed that.

01:34:53.260 --> 01:34:57.460
Were people really that upset? Yeah, I think it was also because the thumbnail

01:34:57.460 --> 01:35:03.060
wasn't the greatest in line with it. We showed like, basically the equivalent

01:35:03.060 --> 01:35:07.420
of East Hastings Street. Yeah, that I didn't see when I approved the title.

01:35:07.420 --> 01:35:11.740
I remember that. So that was not good. No, that's bad. And to be fair, that was bad.

01:35:11.740 --> 01:35:16.180
Yeah, but to be fair, that was also one of the three thumbnails.

01:35:16.180 --> 01:35:19.700
The other two were different faces in front of an Apple store.

01:35:19.700 --> 01:35:23.380
And believe it or not, those thumbnails definitely won the ABC test.

01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:30.260
But when people got the paired, basically East Hastings Street with,

01:35:30.260 --> 01:35:34.780
finally, a Mac for poor people, it was, we're aware it was poor taste.

01:35:34.780 --> 01:35:38.620
That's why we changed it and we're always- Okay, part of the issue here though

01:35:38.620 --> 01:35:42.460
is that I think people were taking it seriously when-

01:35:42.460 --> 01:35:46.100
Linus, how many times have you talked about how people- I know, I know.

01:35:47.020 --> 01:35:50.260
To me, I thought it was in such poor taste

01:35:50.260 --> 01:35:54.740
that it would be clear that we were being facetious. And that's ultimately why,

01:35:54.740 --> 01:35:58.060
after our script review, we were like, fine, people will take it as a joke.

01:35:58.060 --> 01:36:02.620
Nope, people did not, so. Oh, people don't understand what East Hastings is.

01:36:02.620 --> 01:36:07.580
Oh, sorry. That's our like, that's our like tent city.

01:36:07.580 --> 01:36:12.300
Very local in Vancouver. It's where all the homeless people gather.

01:36:12.300 --> 01:36:15.580
I think you mean the unhoused? Sure, sorry.

01:36:15.580 --> 01:36:19.580
And Mackles. And Mackles, that's crazy.

01:36:19.580 --> 01:36:24.060
Yeah, and Mackles. Thank you, Dan. You're really helping with this conversation

01:36:24.060 --> 01:36:28.900
about how people didn't think that joke was funny. Yeah, I'm not a writer, it's fine.

01:36:28.900 --> 01:36:31.940
Yeah, his reputation's not on the line.

01:36:31.940 --> 01:36:33.980
I have that permanently added to my resume.

01:36:36.420 --> 01:36:40.580
Okay, let's put this GPU in. Anyways, while he's installing the GPU,

01:36:40.580 --> 01:36:42.780
do you wanna do another work? Sure.

01:36:43.740 --> 01:36:48.980
Oh, no, no, buddy. Okay, how long of a GPU does it say

01:36:48.980 --> 01:36:50.420
this thing's compatible with?

01:36:52.060 --> 01:36:54.020
It should be on the card to your left.

01:36:55.100 --> 01:36:59.860
Oh, man. Do we have to move the fan? Is that it? Oh, man, yeah.

01:37:01.220 --> 01:37:04.220
GPU clearance, 315 millimeters.

01:37:05.220 --> 01:37:07.900
Wait, is this even compatible with this GPU?

01:37:09.900 --> 01:37:12.980
Elijah. I'm double checking.

01:37:14.220 --> 01:37:18.660
In the meantime, let me do a quick double check of my own.

01:37:20.420 --> 01:37:23.820
Yeah, I think we might get away with one here if I move this fan down.

01:37:23.820 --> 01:37:26.980
We'll just bend the case. No.

01:37:26.980 --> 01:37:29.620
I mean, we can, you just don't want to. Yes. Big difference.

01:37:32.420 --> 01:37:35.740
Dan, do you wanna have me move one more while I do this?

01:37:35.740 --> 01:37:38.500
I, sure.

01:37:39.260 --> 01:37:43.420
Hi there, I've been watching since the days of WAN Show in the garage.

01:37:43.420 --> 01:37:47.540
You once had the Razer Pro backpack. I have one too.

01:37:47.540 --> 01:37:54.140
How does it fare against your own one? And should I consider getting the LDT CompMute one?

01:37:54.140 --> 01:37:56.500
CompMute one. Commuter.

01:37:57.500 --> 01:38:01.860
CompMute. I mean, oh, man.

01:38:01.860 --> 01:38:06.980
Why you guys, it's like you guys want me to have a conflict of interest, you know?

01:38:06.980 --> 01:38:11.540
Like, obviously, it is in my best interest

01:38:11.540 --> 01:38:15.420
to recommend an LDT backpack of some sort,

01:38:15.420 --> 01:38:19.180
be it the OG or the commuter. However, with that said,

01:38:20.260 --> 01:38:24.580
I think you have to ask yourself this question. Uno reverse, are you happy

01:38:24.580 --> 01:38:29.340
with your Razer tactical backpack or whatever? You certainly paid a lot of money for it.

01:38:29.340 --> 01:38:35.340
I can tell you that much if you didn't remember. There were some pain points for me with that bag.

01:38:35.340 --> 01:38:41.460
I didn't love the little flap at the top that made it kind of hard to access the pouch of holding.

01:38:43.460 --> 01:38:48.260
And I'm trying to think, I think the layout of the storage compartments inside

01:38:48.260 --> 01:38:51.860
was not, you know, the greatest thing ever. There were definitely improvements

01:38:51.860 --> 01:38:57.540
that I felt that we could make in our own products. Yes, I believe our product is a better product

01:38:57.540 --> 01:39:03.820
for me having had experience with that bag and then taking that and using it to design our own.

01:39:04.820 --> 01:39:08.620
Or rather to provide feedback on, I can't take credit for designing our backpack.

01:39:08.620 --> 01:39:13.420
That I believe was almost entirely on Bridget.

01:39:13.420 --> 01:39:18.060
I don't know if Matthew had joined us yet at that point. And then Matthew took the lead on the commuter bag

01:39:18.060 --> 01:39:22.780
and did a great job on that. Oh, I might have helped on the OG backpack.

01:39:22.780 --> 01:39:26.820
Anyway, the point is I didn't design the bag, but I did provide a lot of feedback

01:39:26.820 --> 01:39:32.940
and that was based on my experience with other backpacks, including from like OGO, Averki, Razer.

01:39:34.260 --> 01:39:39.260
However, coming back to sort of where

01:39:39.260 --> 01:39:42.300
my original train of thought here, I can't answer that question for you.

01:39:42.300 --> 01:39:45.460
If you're happy with your bag, like what are you doing?

01:39:45.460 --> 01:39:48.580
Don't... Yeah, don't buy another bag. Don't create waste, right?

01:39:48.580 --> 01:39:52.540
Like if you have someone in your life who like could really use your backpack

01:39:52.540 --> 01:39:56.540
and you think that that would be a really great gift for them and you're like, oh yeah,

01:39:56.540 --> 01:40:01.260
and then oh yeah, and I could totally treat myself like, I'm sure I'm totally into that,

01:40:01.860 --> 01:40:07.380
I wouldn't want to encourage anyone to have something go to waste

01:40:07.380 --> 01:40:12.260
just so that they can buy something from our store. I will say the commuter bag was a lot more popular

01:40:12.260 --> 01:40:15.660
with some of my relatives that are smaller than me.

01:40:15.660 --> 01:40:21.820
So I guess it would also depend on, oh my gosh, that is depending on size, that GPU barely fits.

01:40:26.940 --> 01:40:29.980
Wow, that's, yep, that's right there.

01:40:29.980 --> 01:40:34.700
Hey, at least that one intake fan on the bottom dedicated for the GPU.

01:40:34.700 --> 01:40:38.900
Yeah. You are actually creating a barrier to cut off air circulation.

01:40:38.900 --> 01:40:43.980
It's doing work here. Ah, oh man, that also means that I can't put in

01:40:43.980 --> 01:40:48.900
my nice little cover either. Okay, so we don't get to use that.

01:40:49.940 --> 01:40:54.620
Ooh. Is this a mark against the case or because we picked this GPU?

01:40:54.620 --> 01:40:59.500
I mean, yes. The trend for GPUs is to get bigger and bigger.

01:40:59.500 --> 01:41:02.660
And I talked earlier about how, if you're gonna spend $100 on a case,

01:41:02.660 --> 01:41:05.660
I think you should be using it for a couple of systems. Yep.

01:41:05.660 --> 01:41:08.980
So it's, I hate the F word, you know?

01:41:08.980 --> 01:41:12.020
But it's one of those cases that,

01:41:12.020 --> 01:41:15.980
or it's one of those situations where I think that there is an argument to be made around

01:41:15.980 --> 01:41:19.700
trying to be a little future proof. That F word.

01:41:19.700 --> 01:41:25.300
Finally got to it. I was like, oh man, he's gonna drop the F bomb. No, no, I don't have my, I don't have my swear button.

01:41:25.300 --> 01:41:31.700
Oh no. Oh. This peel is in multiple pieces?

01:41:35.260 --> 01:41:39.540
Oh no. You gotta be kidding me here.

01:41:40.540 --> 01:41:45.660
It is. Removing the door might have disturbed it. It is, it's multiple pieces.

01:41:45.660 --> 01:41:51.820
The not door. Oh dude, there's two more.

01:41:51.820 --> 01:41:55.340
Starting to see the build experience go down slowly in front of my eyes.

01:41:55.340 --> 01:41:58.620
Slowly. Every peel is one point.

01:42:01.260 --> 01:42:05.580
And it's like, it's like tucked. It's tucked, that's tucked up.

01:42:08.060 --> 01:42:11.140
Here, you try. Do the last one. Where is it?

01:42:11.140 --> 01:42:14.500
You'll see what I mean. Which one? It's the far one. Oh, okay.

01:42:16.500 --> 01:42:19.500
I don't like when you make me do things on camera like this.

01:42:19.500 --> 01:42:22.820
Oh yeah, I see what you mean. It's like, it's like tucked back there.

01:42:22.820 --> 01:42:26.580
I mean, to be clear, it's a one, you're only gonna do it one time. It's not the end of the world.

01:42:26.580 --> 01:42:29.780
It's just like, why though? Have it, half of people, okay.

01:42:29.780 --> 01:42:33.420
I'm sure there's a reason. I'm sure there's a reason. All right, come up with one.

01:42:37.220 --> 01:42:40.940
Cool. It's easier to apply at the factory as four different pieces.

01:42:42.220 --> 01:42:45.420
That's, I don't. That's not my problem. I don't like big Corpo.

01:42:45.420 --> 01:42:50.220
You don't like big, why do you work for one then? It's funny, you say you hate modern,

01:42:50.220 --> 01:42:53.580
capitalistic society and yet you participate in it. I do.

01:42:53.580 --> 01:42:57.220
Checkmate liberal. LTTstore.com. Shell!

01:42:59.180 --> 01:43:01.220
Bye. I should be wearing boots.

01:43:07.540 --> 01:43:11.140
We are always corporate shell. We always respect company,

01:43:12.140 --> 01:43:15.340
like sponsor Valkyrie of the stream. Thank you, Valkyrie.

01:43:20.780 --> 01:43:24.300
It's a good thing we don't say stuff like this at the beginning of our streams.

01:43:24.300 --> 01:43:29.220
They've turned out they're like, they hit their talking points, I'm joking. I mean, yeah, there can't be that many people.

01:43:29.220 --> 01:43:32.580
Oh wow, there's still like thousands and thousands of people watching.

01:43:32.580 --> 01:43:35.820
Huh, okay, well. It's all bots. You think so?

01:43:35.820 --> 01:43:39.460
Yeah, okay. I have it bought on right now, so. Do you? Yeah.

01:43:39.460 --> 01:43:44.100
I want that ad revenue. Okay, you do know that, okay, should you know what?

01:43:44.100 --> 01:43:47.980
Good job, Elijah. Oh, is that it? I mean, oh.

01:43:47.980 --> 01:43:51.460
Okay, I guess we should go over pricing and like all the numbers and everything.

01:43:51.460 --> 01:43:54.660
Well. We start with features. I feel like we didn't get anything.

01:43:54.660 --> 01:44:00.100
I feel like it was a pretty bare bones case. I mean, it's got this SSD mount across the back here

01:44:00.100 --> 01:44:03.700
that you can move out of the way if you need to mount a motherboard back plate.

01:44:06.060 --> 01:44:07.500
I'll support for back to front.

01:44:09.060 --> 01:44:12.220
I feel like this is like a five right in line of just like it's bare minimum.

01:44:12.220 --> 01:44:16.580
Yeah, it's $100. It's like what I would consider to be like

01:44:16.580 --> 01:44:21.460
the kind of attainable price for if you're doing like a thousand, $1,300 build.

01:44:24.020 --> 01:44:27.140
But it's not gonna like blow me away and it's also not gonna,

01:44:27.140 --> 01:44:30.340
I'm not gonna look at it and go, man, you're crazy. You know?

01:44:30.340 --> 01:44:34.020
Yeah, sure. Five. Five for price. Building experience.

01:44:35.100 --> 01:44:38.260
I think it was better than the Q300L.

01:44:38.260 --> 01:44:40.860
Yeah, but that literally has L in the name.

01:44:41.980 --> 01:44:45.260
This says C. It's its letter grade. Okay.

01:44:45.260 --> 01:44:50.020
So a five. Okay, what did I give the rest for building experience?

01:44:50.020 --> 01:44:53.500
You gave. I'd give it a six. I'd give it a C. All right.

01:44:54.620 --> 01:44:57.900
Fractal new. Fractal new what they had on their hands.

01:44:57.900 --> 01:45:02.260
Cable management out of five. It had some tie down points in the back.

01:45:02.260 --> 01:45:05.060
Yeah. And you know what?

01:45:05.980 --> 01:45:09.020
I think it would have ended up with a pretty solid score, right?

01:45:09.020 --> 01:45:12.700
Like if you look at this, that's pretty clean.

01:45:12.700 --> 01:45:15.820
That's a clean looking system. Okay, you know, let's be fair.

01:45:15.820 --> 01:45:19.260
It's not all of them had white cables here, right? Like the ones with the black cables

01:45:19.260 --> 01:45:22.460
that they'd hide a little bit more, right? So, you know, that is what it is.

01:45:22.460 --> 01:45:25.500
But this is all, this is all pretty good. Everything's, you know, this is grommeted

01:45:25.500 --> 01:45:30.140
all down the side, which is nice. But then in order to fit our GPU,

01:45:30.140 --> 01:45:33.460
we had to open this up. And if you really open it up, Andrew,

01:45:33.460 --> 01:45:36.440
like really give her, really give her.

01:45:38.700 --> 01:45:42.660
Dead. Yeah. You see what I'm talking about?

01:45:42.660 --> 01:45:46.880
And I can hide that, but like not perfectly.

01:45:48.540 --> 01:45:51.540
And so I don't want, I'm not getting too hard

01:45:51.580 --> 01:45:53.660
on anyone about the backside.

01:45:57.780 --> 01:46:03.300
All the other ones. Okay, other than the $40 case, but it's $40.

01:46:03.300 --> 01:46:07.140
All the other ones in the hundred-ish dollar price point are way cleaner.

01:46:07.140 --> 01:46:10.660
Those got a four out of five. So do you think this is a three then?

01:46:10.660 --> 01:46:16.620
I'll dock a point. Okay. Three out of five. Three out of five. And that price, $100.

01:46:16.620 --> 01:46:20.180
Oh, five. All right. You know, yeah, like it's,

01:46:20.180 --> 01:46:25.300
and the reason that we're going five rather than six. So we're basically saying same as the Corsair frame,

01:46:25.300 --> 01:46:30.180
even though it's actually $10 cheaper, is that I just don't feel like the value is there.

01:46:30.180 --> 01:46:33.260
And as much as you can try to decouple price from value

01:46:33.260 --> 01:46:39.060
by sort of outlining value in all these other ways, I don't think you can ever fully separate them.

01:46:39.060 --> 01:46:42.660
Is there any bonuses? What would you give a bonus for?

01:46:42.660 --> 01:46:47.220
I feel like I, I feel like I kind of turn this around on you every time. But it's really interesting to hear your perspective

01:46:47.220 --> 01:46:49.580
because you've been kind of sitting here watching me build the whole time.

01:46:51.060 --> 01:46:56.660
And helping and helping. I think like, but that kind of goes into the building experience, but overall it was just like,

01:46:56.660 --> 01:47:01.060
you didn't have really much to say. So maybe that's a bonus because then it didn't,

01:47:01.060 --> 01:47:04.220
nothing got in your way other than. Approachable, basic.

01:47:04.220 --> 01:47:07.580
Yeah. Like you said, it could be like that YouTube tutorial style.

01:47:07.580 --> 01:47:10.740
Yeah. This is the default case. The default case.

01:47:10.740 --> 01:47:13.860
So that makes it easy to understand. You're not going to get anything unique

01:47:13.860 --> 01:47:16.540
that might confuse you. So maybe a one.

01:47:17.540 --> 01:47:21.620
Yeah. I could give it, I could give it one bonus point. Yeah. I think that's a solid argument.

01:47:21.620 --> 01:47:25.540
Look at this panel gap. Look at this. Can you see that?

01:47:25.540 --> 01:47:29.540
I mean, it kind of makes me feel like it must be upside down, but I think it's symmetrical.

01:47:29.540 --> 01:47:32.580
And if it's not symmetrical, that's a crazy design.

01:47:32.580 --> 01:47:36.980
But like, are you seeing how big this gap is here? Hold on. Let me get the,

01:47:36.980 --> 01:47:38.780
let me get the peel out of your way.

01:47:41.220 --> 01:47:44.900
Can you see that? Give her more. Give her, give her even more.

01:47:45.860 --> 01:47:51.540
Yeah. There you go. Yeah. You can really see that now. There's just like, there's a gap there. I can like stick a little bit of my finger in there.

01:47:53.100 --> 01:47:56.620
Should I flip it around? I'll flip it around. Sure. I'm going to flip it around.

01:47:56.620 --> 01:48:01.180
Cost nothing to flip it around. I mean. That got a 20, which now means it's in third.

01:48:01.180 --> 01:48:04.300
So it actually beat the Q300L by one point,

01:48:05.820 --> 01:48:09.620
but it is four points behind the frame by Corsair

01:48:09.620 --> 01:48:13.780
and over 10 points behind the Lee and Lee. You guys got to let me know.

01:48:13.900 --> 01:48:17.020
Yeah. No, the panel gap is just as bad this time.

01:48:17.020 --> 01:48:20.220
You guys got to let me know. Do you think we're being totally unfair here?

01:48:20.220 --> 01:48:24.860
Like if I hadn't, I got to tell you the order, the order of judging matters.

01:48:24.860 --> 01:48:28.660
Cause if I hadn't seen those other two, I'd have been like, oh, it was pretty nice case.

01:48:28.660 --> 01:48:33.940
Well, that's what I was talking about when we were ranking the Lee and Lee. Like we ranked that right after the Q300.

01:48:33.940 --> 01:48:36.980
So it's kind of like, are you just very happy

01:48:36.980 --> 01:48:40.580
because the Q300 had none of this? Right?

01:48:41.580 --> 01:48:44.140
Yeah, is that a problem? But.

01:48:46.980 --> 01:48:51.940
People, law is not merchandise. People are not really, people are saying, yeah, seems fair.

01:48:51.940 --> 01:48:54.980
All right. All right. Yep.

01:48:54.980 --> 01:48:57.980
Cool. Fair is probably the best word I could use to describe it.

01:48:57.980 --> 01:49:01.540
You want to boot it up? It's fair. Fair. We can see all the RGB.

01:49:01.540 --> 01:49:04.860
It's all, is that definitely how it's gonna be?

01:49:04.860 --> 01:49:09.060
Yeah. That's how it's meant to be. I flipped it around, dude. I promise.

01:49:09.060 --> 01:49:12.340
I promise I flipped it around. That's what it looks like.

01:49:12.340 --> 01:49:14.860
I'm sorry. Should be good to go? I'm sorry.

01:49:17.100 --> 01:49:20.460
Oh, back to wide. Oh, oh, rip.

01:49:20.460 --> 01:49:23.060
Rip. Gigi's chat, it's over.

01:49:25.740 --> 01:49:27.960
Pretty janky five says stop the count.

01:49:30.620 --> 01:49:35.860
It's an old case, it's V1. Yeah, but that doesn't change that they want $100.

01:49:35.860 --> 01:49:40.140
And that also doesn't change that this is right now on B&H. And it's still the most popular one

01:49:40.140 --> 01:49:43.580
that's B&H. That's rated on B&H. Absolutely. Yeah.

01:49:43.580 --> 01:49:47.340
So, it's a cool looking case for $100 and end up with that.

01:49:47.340 --> 01:49:50.340
Yeah. You'd be much better off, I think,

01:49:50.340 --> 01:49:53.700
buying either the Land Cool or spending $10 more on the Corsair frame.

01:49:53.700 --> 01:49:57.180
No question. That CPU cooler looks sick. It does, right?

01:49:59.060 --> 01:50:03.620
Shadow of, shadow of, yeah. Do you want to get a little close up on the CPU cooler?

01:50:03.620 --> 01:50:07.100
Oh, he's back. And he's gone. Oh, and he's back. Nice.

01:50:07.100 --> 01:50:11.340
Nice. Yeah. Did you even notice that the little, like, actual name

01:50:11.340 --> 01:50:15.100
lights up, too? Yeah, that's why I had to have the, the daisy change.

01:50:15.100 --> 01:50:18.780
Oh, it's a subtle detail. Looks good, though.

01:50:18.780 --> 01:50:22.220
I like it. Whoops. All right, last one.

01:50:22.220 --> 01:50:25.460
I saw someone in chat suggesting that we do a bit of a roll reversal.

01:50:25.460 --> 01:50:28.980
Okay. And I watch while you do it. I don't feel that's fair, though,

01:50:28.980 --> 01:50:33.100
because you've been building the other ones to get your experience so you can give it a fair score.

01:50:33.100 --> 01:50:36.740
All right, well, let chat decide. I'd love to build it, but I don't want to compromise

01:50:36.740 --> 01:50:40.700
the integrity of this test. Okay.

01:50:40.700 --> 01:50:44.020
Drop stuff. Someone like me.

01:50:44.020 --> 01:50:50.180
All right. I'm also not good at building PCs, so. I gotta admit, guys, if there was anyone

01:50:50.180 --> 01:50:54.620
that I kind of went into this going, these guys are gonna blow it away.

01:50:54.620 --> 01:50:59.740
It's gotta be Phanteks. They just came out of absolutely nowhere,

01:50:59.740 --> 01:51:04.740
innovated like crazy, just at amazing price points.

01:51:05.460 --> 01:51:09.820
They really nailed the look with a lot of their earlier cases.

01:51:09.820 --> 01:51:13.420
And then over time, it's just especially nailed down

01:51:13.420 --> 01:51:15.580
the little quality of life features.

01:51:16.620 --> 01:51:20.900
There's a reason that we chose Phanteks for our standardized cases

01:51:20.900 --> 01:51:24.300
for our in-house systems back in the day.

01:51:24.300 --> 01:51:26.160
Super easy to build in.

01:51:29.180 --> 01:51:32.900
Oh, and it didn't even zap me. Nice. That's probably a coincidence, though.

01:51:32.900 --> 01:51:37.100
The best packing we've seen, so questionable. So what's good about it

01:51:37.100 --> 01:51:40.340
is the additional layer of cardboard to add a little bit more puncture protection

01:51:40.340 --> 01:51:44.220
on the corners, and in the areas that are most likely to get hit,

01:51:44.220 --> 01:51:48.460
and they are using a softer foam that's more likely to take two hits,

01:51:48.460 --> 01:51:53.580
but it's quite thin. So probably better than what we've seen so far,

01:51:53.580 --> 01:51:58.940
but not up to a standard where you could build a system in it and then ship that system in the case box

01:51:58.940 --> 01:52:03.300
and hope that it's gonna arrive in in peace. Do you wanna see what the pole Dan made was?

01:52:03.300 --> 01:52:06.620
No, he doesn't get to read them. What pole did he make? He says,

01:52:06.620 --> 01:52:09.780
Humstensst, and Narcissist, or Bruises.

01:52:13.460 --> 01:52:19.300
Who's who? That's the type of service that you get

01:52:19.980 --> 01:52:23.580
on flipblane.com, you can have Dan Poles, and they're always unhinged.

01:52:24.460 --> 01:52:27.900
Right out of the gate. I didn't include Firefox. Right out of the gate,

01:52:27.900 --> 01:52:31.440
Phanteks is looking pretty darn good.

01:52:31.440 --> 01:52:35.280
They've got the roominess factor that we enjoyed with the Corsair,

01:52:35.280 --> 01:52:38.980
maybe not quite as much space back here for cable management,

01:52:38.980 --> 01:52:43.320
but certainly quite a lot. They've got the simplicity.

01:52:43.320 --> 01:52:46.660
This is a very bog standard looking layout.

01:52:46.660 --> 01:52:50.080
So they've got the simplicity of the Fractal Meshify-C,

01:52:50.080 --> 01:52:55.080
and they're going after the value of the Land Cool,

01:52:56.040 --> 01:52:59.860
because check this out. I'm counting not one, not two, not three,

01:52:59.860 --> 01:53:04.780
but four included RGB fans at a price of $89.99.

01:53:04.780 --> 01:53:08.420
This is the most popular case on newegg.com

01:53:08.420 --> 01:53:10.780
as of the time of us placing our orders.

01:53:12.180 --> 01:53:15.420
I think they're off to an extremely good start.

01:53:15.420 --> 01:53:20.420
We do give up one of our USB-A 3.0 ports,

01:53:21.020 --> 01:53:27.020
but in exchange, it looks like we had a bit of a tooling revision that gave us a USB-C port

01:53:27.020 --> 01:53:30.700
in what appears to have used to have been a USB-A port.

01:53:30.700 --> 01:53:35.360
So that's clever. That's a clever way to add a lower cost,

01:53:35.360 --> 01:53:39.020
provide, I would say, most of the meaningful benefit

01:53:39.020 --> 01:53:44.020
of the front USB layout of the,

01:53:45.260 --> 01:53:49.980
here we go, the Land Cool case, which has, I believe, two A's and a C.

01:53:49.980 --> 01:53:54.340
Yes, and the Corsair case, which also has two A's and a C.

01:53:55.340 --> 01:53:59.580
Having the C allows you to use like a hub or a dock or something like that

01:53:59.580 --> 01:54:05.100
right on the front of your case, which I think is really convenient. And then the A is just, it's a utility plug, you know?

01:54:05.100 --> 01:54:10.260
They voted for Linus. Are they voted for me building? Okay, well, I already started, I guess, so there you go.

01:54:10.260 --> 01:54:13.820
It's back-to-front compatible, so you've got all the punch-outs.

01:54:14.820 --> 01:54:19.100
And I don't know if you guys saw this in the news, but ASUS just uploaded a thing

01:54:19.100 --> 01:54:24.620
where they validated their back-to-front implementation for GPUs that, I think, 1,000 watts,

01:54:24.620 --> 01:54:28.020
demonstrating that it is a far better approach

01:54:28.020 --> 01:54:32.100
to super high-power GPUs from just a power delivery standpoint

01:54:32.100 --> 01:54:39.060
compared to the 12-volt two-by-six connector, which even under its optimistic rated load

01:54:39.060 --> 01:54:40.900
manages 600 watts.

01:54:43.300 --> 01:54:49.180
What it doesn't manage to achieve is the same kind of tear everything off,

01:54:49.180 --> 01:54:54.620
super easy access of the Corsair. That's something that I obviously commented on

01:54:54.620 --> 01:55:01.060
when I was building in the Corsair, but maybe didn't fully appreciate how much I liked

01:55:01.060 --> 01:55:02.700
until now I'm without it.

01:55:05.660 --> 01:55:09.700
89.99, though. That's the same price as the Lee and Lee, right?

01:55:09.700 --> 01:55:12.340
Right in line with the Landcool from Lee and Lee, yep.

01:55:13.540 --> 01:55:16.300
They haven't put as much work into it for me, though.

01:55:17.700 --> 01:55:20.420
You know, these fans are daisy-chained,

01:55:21.420 --> 01:55:24.980
which is nice. Hold on, where's this going?

01:55:24.980 --> 01:55:29.620
Oh, man, but there, oh yeah, no, there we go. Okay, so these fans are pre-daisy-chained

01:55:29.620 --> 01:55:34.540
and they're kinda hooked up here, but this is all just kinda dumped.

01:55:34.540 --> 01:55:39.860
And when I compare that to the way that the front audio connector was run for me in the,

01:55:41.020 --> 01:55:45.380
I believe that was in the Corsair. Yeah, that was really nice.

01:55:45.380 --> 01:55:49.900
And that's what Corsair does. Corsair has the way that they intend for you

01:55:49.900 --> 01:55:53.580
to build in their cases and they really make it hard to screw up.

01:55:55.460 --> 01:56:01.020
Fan techs, this is a nice bonus. They have an IQ test that they bundle with the case.

01:56:01.020 --> 01:56:02.660
Can you get the hardware box out?

01:56:08.900 --> 01:56:13.060
This just is a thumbscrew in here, but yeah, it's not immediately apparent. Oh, I thought maybe it was one of those ones

01:56:13.060 --> 01:56:17.340
where you have to like go at the ball. Oh, I see the thumbscrew. I went at it from a wrong angle.

01:56:17.340 --> 01:56:19.700
I kinda did it on purpose, yeah.

01:56:20.660 --> 01:56:24.020
Guys, I'm really good at some things, please. There we go.

01:56:24.020 --> 01:56:28.180
So you can pull that out a little. No, I'm still having a hard time getting it out.

01:56:30.580 --> 01:56:33.780
Come on, buddy. Come on, fan techs.

01:56:33.780 --> 01:56:37.740
Ah, there we go. That's a little disappointing.

01:56:37.740 --> 01:56:44.180
Fan techs was like the OG Includer of a nice little parts tray.

01:56:44.180 --> 01:56:47.620
And wow, is that ever a lot of cable ties.

01:56:48.620 --> 01:56:52.540
Dude. This is wild.

01:56:52.540 --> 01:56:56.420
I think fan techs included more cable ties than every other case,

01:56:56.420 --> 01:56:59.340
plus the ones that were included with the power supply combined.

01:57:02.820 --> 01:57:08.380
That is a substantial amount of cable ties. I will use every single one of them.

01:57:08.380 --> 01:57:10.020
Streams go until 7 p.m. guys.

01:57:13.140 --> 01:57:16.460
Don't worry, don't worry, I got this place. Everyone's gonna be out of here on time.

01:57:16.540 --> 01:57:17.740
Cause we have soft balls tonight.

01:57:20.740 --> 01:57:25.180
Do you guys like have to watch? They've been here the whole time.

01:57:25.180 --> 01:57:28.620
Is this, oh, is this just like hurry up and wait kind of thing?

01:57:28.620 --> 01:57:32.620
Huh? Well, Sven's first sponsor. He got you two pens.

01:57:32.620 --> 01:57:37.020
Oh, yeah, nice. I love that shirt.

01:57:41.420 --> 01:57:44.180
He said it was $10 at Value Village. Ten bucks?

01:57:45.260 --> 01:57:48.580
Wow. That is so cool.

01:57:48.580 --> 01:57:54.060
We got like Blaze, Ultros. We've got Mog, and, oh man,

01:57:54.060 --> 01:57:57.300
how can I not remember? Oh, no, don't tell me, don't tell me.

01:57:57.300 --> 01:58:00.980
Oh, oh no, Tom Berry. Thank you.

01:58:02.300 --> 01:58:06.020
Thank you for letting me live. This is so cool.

01:58:07.740 --> 01:58:11.900
Ten bucks. Who'd have thought?

01:58:12.900 --> 01:58:16.820
Oh, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. No, no, no, we're gonna finish on time.

01:58:16.820 --> 01:58:20.580
Everybody's gonna get out of here on time today. We have to go to softball. We have softball tonight?

01:58:20.580 --> 01:58:23.580
Yes. Oh, are you guys going to softball? We should go to softball?

01:58:23.580 --> 01:58:27.740
Yes, sir. I'm gonna go to five, so I'm gonna jump for it. Oh, all right, that's, okay.

01:58:27.740 --> 01:58:32.620
Finally, my first softball, I've missed the first two. No, no, well, okay, he's come in previous years.

01:58:32.620 --> 01:58:36.340
Yeah, I missed the first two this year. Yeah. Dude, I love softball tonight.

01:58:36.340 --> 01:58:40.060
Heck yeah. Oh, I'm stoked. I'm so excited.

01:58:40.060 --> 01:58:45.020
Oh, I'm stoked. I think softball night might be my favorite thing

01:58:45.020 --> 01:58:49.060
about working here. You have a frickin' Porsche.

01:58:51.020 --> 01:58:54.220
And I drive it to softball night.

01:58:54.220 --> 01:58:59.700
Has ample space in the trunk for my baseball gun. I mean, if you want, I could take the $15,000 TV

01:58:59.700 --> 01:59:04.820
in your basement. When I was gonna try to take home that 110-1

01:59:04.820 --> 01:59:08.500
from the Christmas party, I called my strata, which is basically-

01:59:08.500 --> 01:59:13.300
When he was trying to win it. Yeah, when I was trying to win it at our Christmas party. So it was the 110-high sense.

01:59:13.300 --> 01:59:15.420
We raffled it at the Christmas party.

01:59:16.740 --> 01:59:20.860
I called my strata, which is basically HOA for my apartment building.

01:59:20.860 --> 01:59:23.940
And I was like, am I allowed to rent a crane

01:59:23.940 --> 01:59:27.740
because it won't fit in the elevator? So I'd have to remove my railing.

01:59:27.740 --> 01:59:31.980
You know what the president said? He said, only if I can watch one football game on it.

01:59:31.980 --> 01:59:36.620
And I said, done. So I put all my tickets into it and I didn't win.

01:59:36.620 --> 01:59:41.020
And I was so mad. Dude, there were so many tickets on that TV.

01:59:41.020 --> 01:59:46.300
I still kind of can't believe we gave that away. But the price of renting a crane to move it in there

01:59:46.300 --> 01:59:51.780
and then in like three years, if I move out, was still cheaper than buying that TV.

01:59:51.780 --> 01:59:54.300
So I was like, I am doing this if I win.

01:59:56.700 --> 02:00:00.020
Who ended up winning it again? Ashley from CW?

02:00:00.020 --> 02:00:04.740
That's right, that's right. Lucky. Yeah, I was lucky to have-

02:00:04.740 --> 02:00:07.260
I was chapped. Oh well.

02:00:07.980 --> 02:00:11.860
Hey, who knows? We might have cool stuff this year. I haven't seen anything that big

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that's likely to make it to the Christmas party. Well, thankfully we actually have five

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Asrock Tai Chi RX9070 XTs now.

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And five 9,800 X3Ds. I gotta be honest with you.

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The computer hardware stuff is not the stuff that gets the traffic.

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Oh yeah, those are like some of the easy ones though to like win if you like want to walk away

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with something at the Christmas party. We already all have computers.

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That's the other thing too. Yeah, whereas like a lot of the time

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if there's like a pixel or an iPhone, you'll get a ton of people putting in for that.

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We've had like vacation packages and stuff like that. People go wild for like the vacation packages.

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Two years in a row, I've given Jake Bell one of my tickets

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and he's won for me both times. This year he won me those like Hot Wheels rally things

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that you can control from your phone. Oh yeah, that's cool. And I was like, I don't want it.

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So I gave it to some kid who was like going through

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some illness and I was like, it's yours now. I don't want it. Like I'm not going to play with it.

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You can have fun with it. I want to know how it's prepared.

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Oh yeah. Oh, you got that. Yeah. Nice.

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I was trying. You won a six sound bar. I was trying.

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That was a pretty sick sound bar dude. Like I know, sound bars are for posers.

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But it's a $4,000 sound bar. Pretty nice sound bar.

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Basically, yeah, Rhys doesn't want to hear it.

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He can't hear your elitism over the sound

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of his $4,000 sound bar.

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Is there any merch messages, Dan? Yeah, there's a few. Why don't we save them for a bit?

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Unless you do need a break right now. Sure. Yeah, hit me with one.

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Hit me with one. Sure. And just to keep Dan busy, send a few more merch messages.

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This is our last PC case, so get your questions in. This is the time to get your merch messages in

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if you guys aren't familiar with the concept of merch messages. Merch messages are the way to interact with the show.

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We don't believe that you should throw your money at your screen and get nothing in return.

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No, you should throw your money at your screen to interact with the stream and get quality merchandise

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from LTTstore.com in return.

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So all you got to do is head to LTTstore.com, find something you like, throw it in your cart,

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and you will see a box pop up when we're live that allows you to leave a merch message.

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We'll go to producer Dan, who will throw it

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onto the screen or answer it himself.

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Sometimes even correctly, that's a bonus when that happens.

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And then other times, he will curate it for me and Elijah

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to answer for you.

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Hit us, Dan. Sure thing. Hey, hottie Linus.

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If you decide to keep the bread, what

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would be your daily routine to manage the bread and keep it in shape?

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PS, would we get any new breaded Linus merch?

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A t-shirt or a new pin? And then an emoji of a bread.

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See, here's the thing. When we said hit us, how about you don't ask us those ones?

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What color is your? OK, yeah, sorry, continue.

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You've gone and made it weird. You did that.

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You made it weird, and you enabled them. I'm dying at that one, Dan.

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That's the face of a man with no regrets whatsoever.

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No regrets. I don't know that we'll have any more beard merch.

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I just read when it comes out of my screen. You can curate them.

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You can move it on. Yeah, you literally screened them. That is literally your job.

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I did that. I did my job.

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He's just like hottie Linus approved. Hottie Linus.

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Weird way to put it. I need to get your stuff ready.

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Sorry, I got distracted. It's haite.

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H-A-W-I-T-E. Maybe I misread that.

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Yeah, I'm sure that was it. Anyway, probably no more merch.

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I forget the rest of the question. What was the question, Dan? Something about how you would take care of your beard.

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Oh, how I take care of my beard. Not very much.

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He said bread. They were talking about the beard. They were talking about the beard.

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Not very much, to be honest with you. I just, once a week, it actually is about exactly the amount

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of work as being not bearded is,

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because I have to shave every day, if I want to be clean shaven, obviously.

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I just use like a stupid, like actually,

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no, there's nothing stupid about Phillips shavers now.

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Do you see they're cool, like right to repair? I did, yep.

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Absolutely based Phillips electric shaver.

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And so I just do that once a day. And then when I have the beard,

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I just have this cheap garbage. I'm gonna buy a Phillips. There, I'm gonna buy a Phillips trimmer.

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And then I just hit it once a week with like a number,

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whatever, the one that's already on it, that is literally still sitting on it

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from last time I had a beard. So I don't even remember.

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So just like hit it with that and then kind of clean up the neck a little bit.

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And like, I know people get like really into it and they got like these oils and they got like combs

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and like, like all this stuff. This is like eight weeks.

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Okay, he's joking obviously. Have you ever tried to grow a beard?

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Yeah, it just, it grows in patches and it just, it looks terrible.

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It's already pretty bad. Can't, don't, I don't know. What, I'm just asking.

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Do I have a shadow? Is there beard here?

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You know what? It looks like a tiny bit, but that could also be the lighting.

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That's from like this morning. Okay. Bruh, that's like seven weeks, literally.

02:05:53.540 --> 02:05:57.060
Yeah, this is like from seven hours ago.

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So Elijah, how old are you?

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27. Okay, when I was your age,

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I 100% was probably like, I can't. Yeah, I can't, yeah.

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Like it, the reason that I had never grown a beard before COVID was because I 100% couldn't.

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Yeah. So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you might be a late bloomer.

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We all knew that already though. I'm just, I'm just saying.

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The six concussions have not helped. I'm just saying you might be a late bloomer.

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Sorry, what's the theory here that hitting your head like knocked the hair back into the face?

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No, late bloomer just being like taking it's time. Oh, that's not, no, no, no.

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That's not what it, it doesn't always mean that. Oh. Late bloomer has all kinds of contexts.

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Like it could be sexual.

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How do we, I don't know how to ask the next question. So I think I'm going to stop asking.

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You could ask Ariana. Didn't you go home for the day?

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HRQ please, ask it, you're fine.

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They went home. That's how it works, right? Oh yeah, once HR leaves the building, there's.

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Not that we're recording and streaming this to like four different platforms.

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You know what, I say ask it. I say go for it. You only live once Elijah.

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I was going to ask how, like how would I find out if I'm a late bloomer sexually?

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I mean, I think the answer is yes. In your case you could ask your wife.

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She'd probably know. I am married, I forgot.

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It's just an idea. It's just an idea.

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She might know. All right, I'll text her. Oh my God.

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Hey baby, you up?

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If she doesn't know what that means,

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you might be a late bloomer. My problem is I would probably get divorced immediately

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because I would always introduce my wife as my ex-girlfriend.

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He's not wrong, you know. I would not be able to help myself.

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See for me, I find the funniest term to be the old ball and chain.

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Just because I use it so ironically. Yeah, women love that. Yeah, she hates it.

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But it's really funny. I've also heard them be the ward apartment.

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Go with... Home office. I think William Austin calls his partner like a caretaker.

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That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I call Yvonne COO of my life.

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She doesn't love it. She's not even fully in charge of it then?

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It's a promotion, honestly. Oh my goodness, anyways.

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Look, go with better half. That's the safest one.

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Partner. Go with better half. I like better half.

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It flatters without kissing up.

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And yes, partner is not bad. I see my wife.

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So fresh. Having literally done the borat voice

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at least twice prior on the stream. This stream we've done like three times.

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Are we supposed to be talking about this case at all? You know, you could also plug in cables.

02:09:03.940 --> 02:09:08.340
Well no, because I don't know how it impacts like meeting through, because some cases actually are different.

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No, you're right, you're right. This one is fine.

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So if I put the power supply in, if I don't think to plug in all my modular cables

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ahead of time, I can put this in there and I can get at it,

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but there's nothing special about it. So it's one of those cases where I'd say,

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yeah, you're probably better off plugging everything in before you secure the power supply to the case.

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Glad to help. Thanks, Elijah. You know what? You've actually been instrumental.

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Well no, not really. With all the talking you do, you're more of a vocalist in this effort.

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At least we make the band together. Nice. All right, that's going on the rubric.

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I'm writing notes.

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Ah, Dan, do you want to hit us with a merge message? Sure.

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Let's see if I can find one that's a little less. Oh yeah, the whole topic started by calling you hot.

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Let's- Hotty. Paydell.

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Lead plus L's ego.

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Okay. Okay. Sorry, what? We all just hard-pought.

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What was the question? That was the intro. What's the greatest chord ever according to you guys?

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Like HDMI chord, USB chord, RCA chord,

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X-Lite chord, umbilical chord, Honda chord, G flat,

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Honda chord, no, D minor. Honda chord, extension chord,

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Ethernet chord, coaxial chord. Micro B.

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Those were the examples. Micro B, get the hell out of here.

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That's disgusting. That is awful. I wish I had the bleep button for that.

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Oh my gosh. No, HDMI has so many negative connotations.

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Many, many HDMI is so bad. What about micro-HDMI?

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I would take micro-HDMI over, oh wait, oh yeah, no, micro is horrible.

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I was thinking mini-DP for a second there. Mini-DP is pretty good. Mini-DP is pretty solid.

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Yeah, it just doesn't snap when you look at it wrong.

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That one specific as rock chord that has- Sorry, the worst or the best one?

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The best. The best. The greatest.

02:11:12.660 --> 02:11:15.980
The greatest. Okay, I have my answer, but you go first.

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I can't think of a serious one. I'm just like, oh, laptop ribbon display cable.

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Like that's what came to my mind. A new boat? One.

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I was like, I have no idea. Do you want them all to hate you?

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They already do. They don't. Some of them do.

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Dude, okay, no, in all seriousness though.

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What? Oh, sorry. I'm pointing at you. In all seriousness though,

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I'm trying to move this case out of the way. You're like hiding behind it.

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Cause I'm scared. He did a great job of that recent video

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with the Steam Most Average PC. Was that your first time solo hosting the entire video?

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I think so. And technically- I'm trying to remember, yeah.

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Technically it wasn't quite the entire video because we put me in the intro

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so that we could put me in the thumbnail. Yeah.

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With a straight face. I guess that addresses all those comments

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that were like, why was Linus in the thumbnail if he's not in the video?

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It is called Linus Tech Tips. And I wasn't thinking-

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He was in the video. But we were looking at the,

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when did we make the call on that one? Were we looking at the script or was it prior to that?

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It was just before because it was gonna be shot while you guys were in, for a copy text,

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down for a copy text. So we needed a video to shoot and we kind of, I talked to James and he was like,

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well, could you do it solo? And I was like, I don't know, can I?

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And then it got green lit for me to do it solo. How good of a job did he do with that?

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I thought it was really good. I messaged him after I reviewed the video and I was like, dang.

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You messaged me. My favorite part was you messaged me at 11.45 p.m. on Steam.

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It was like just after we finished playing tape to tape. You like DM'd me and you're just like,

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good job on the video. And then you gave me some feedback and then you were like, nice.

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I was like, all right, I'm on vacation, but thank you. Are you saying we have an issue with boundaries

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in our workplace? Actually, no. We're pretty good in some cases,

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but there are some cases where you messaged me on random platforms at like 11 p.m.

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My favorite message, which I've talked about before on a video was you messaged me at 11 p.m.

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and said, hey, are we playing video games tonight? And I said, I'm down.

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Your follow-up message was, are you coming? I said, I'm down.

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Your follow-up message was, are you coming over? Or are we doing Steam remote play?

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I was like, it is 11 p.m.

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I drove over to his house.

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In person, so much more fun. It's so good, dude.

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And I'm someone who will basically never hesitate if it means like getting to hang out in person

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with a friend or whatever, right? So. Dude, dude, we at the writer's hangout,

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which is not officially one of our summer pool parties for this year.

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So we're still gonna have a couple of those. We got like a 3V3 human tape-to-tape game going.

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That was really fun. Other than some of the glitches?

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It's still very, very alpha. We were also playing on like a different branch,

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build branch, whatever. A very alpha branch.

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But dude, it supports 5V5 now.

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And I'm like so stoked to try it.

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Like that will 100% be one of the stations at Whale Land.

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And I will 100% be hanging around there for a lot of the land.

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Just like playing 5V5 human tape-to-tape is gonna be sick.

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You're gonna play, right? Of course. You coming at Whale Land?

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Can I bring my server rack?

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I mean. I don't really wanna bring my gaming PC out of my server rack. So if I just roll the whole server rack there.

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I'm just taking a minute. Cause then I have my NAS. So I can like watch Plex.

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You should have remote access to it anyway. What are you even talking about?

02:15:09.700 --> 02:15:12.500
Yeah, but like it's different. He doesn't know how to port forward.

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That's my limitation. That better not be the reason.

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I don't use Plex anyways. I use Jellyfinn. Okay.

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Do you know how to port forward? Yeah, I set up a Minecraft server in my day.

02:15:25.260 --> 02:15:28.620
Okay, well then. Yeah, there you go. That's how we all learned.

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How am I supposed to take for granted that you know how to port forward if you think you have to take your Jellyfinn server

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with you to a LAN? Well, I need to be on the same network.

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You're making it seem like I'm the one asking a stupid question here. I take my phone with me everywhere.

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What are you, dumb? Yeah, I need all three of my computers, right?

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Oh my God. Anyway.

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Yes, I will be at the LAN. Whale Land, let's go. It's gonna be awesome.

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Which again, if you weren't here earlier in the stream, we have been officially, actually like for sure approved

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to do a Whale Land. Three years, baby.

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We have a temporary use permit for three years to run LAN events at our facility.

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Three years? I didn't realize it was that long. Yeah.

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In my humble opinion, it shouldn't be temporary at all

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because bingo is a carved out use case.

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And from my perspective, LAN gaming is just digital bingo.

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What? From an occupancy standpoint,

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from like a... You're trying to convince boomers that.

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Yeah. Well, they don't know what gaming is. Digital bingo.

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I mean... Can we play bingo on Steam so that we can justify it?

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With all the Gacha mechanics? Sure. It's all basically gambling anyway.

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Yeah, scamba.

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This was fine.

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There's these holes over here for running cables. I didn't use them because

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this would look horrible if I ran the cables through here.

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So I think these are just here for if you have like a slightly wider

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than standard ATX motherboard. It looks pretty solid from the front.

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And they did do a fair amount of the cable management work for you, but like...

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Man, this is a...

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Yeah, it's pretty basic.

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The value's definitely there.

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You know what? I think at the end, other than the scores,

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I want to revisit some of the cases just a little bit. Just do a quick sanity over it.

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Yeah, sure. Yeah, just do a quick once over and kind of talk through a couple of things.

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Can I have that GPU? And while you're installing that? We should do one more shout out to our sponsor, Valkyrie.

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Thank you very much for sponsoring this stream. They featured both...

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There we go. This fine looking air cooler as well as...

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Do you want to pull out the AIO for them again? Yeah, I was just grabbing it here.

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All right, thanks, Elijah. So the Surge SL125 air cooler

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is the one that we've installed in all the systems. And I want to especially shout out Valkyrie

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for not forcing us to install AIOs on a live stream

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because this already took long enough. And AIOs, you know, they might do a great job

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in terms of performance and look awesome and be safer for transport in a lot of ways

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and all that good stuff. But boy, are they ever a little bit more work to install

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when you first put them in. So thank you, Valkyrie, for being extremely flexible about that.

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Couple cool features other than the availability in white and black as well as 240 and 360 millimeter

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is this kind of cool... Man, I don't know, how did they describe it again?

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A mecca. Yeah, this cool kind of mecca look, you can get even closer

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because there's this kind of like, you can see through to the PCB. Or effects on the air.

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Yeah, there you go. Which is kind of neat. You can rotate it 90 degrees in any orientation.

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So there's no such thing as like an upside down for it,

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which is really nice. And did I lose one of the thumb screws?

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I don't know. Gosh darn it. Okay, anyway, yeah, thanks Valkyrie. And while we're at it,

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I think we should probably shout out,

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ah yes, the folks who sent over some of the gear that we used for our builds,

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especially Gigabyte who sent over these AORUS motherboards,

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ASRock who sent over these Tai Chi Radeon 9070 XTs,

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AMD who sent over the 9800 X3Ds.

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These could actually really come in handy for the lab.

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Coursera sent over the RAM. Is that correct? Yep, awesome.

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And that's it. That's it for this build.

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It also felt pretty fine. Yeah, I was gonna say uneventful, fine.

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Fast. Yeah, I was gonna say. And I mean, I already kind of told you guys

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this was coming when I said that was why we picked Phanteks

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when we did our, when we chose something for our internal systems

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is like, how painless was that?

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My first couple of weeks here was just building standardized RAVs and we did Phanteks cases.

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I got very, very used to them and I could get building in them done in like 20 minutes.

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It was pretty quick. Which one was it? The N2XT? The one with the Hingey doors, I think.

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The G something old.

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No, I just don't remember. B07 something, I don't know. Now I'm not even sure if there is an N2XT.

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So ignore anything I said. It's Phanteks case. Yeah, some Phanteks case.

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It was great. I'd say that, yeah, okay.

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Well, let's go through. I was gonna say we need to go over the scoring. So features, extra fans, rubber grommet,

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fan filter, organized screw box. Just what do you think features?

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The highest one we gave was the Lee and Lee for, it was an eight.

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The Cooler Master and the Fractal Design Meshify,

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both got a five and the Corsair frame got a seven.

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Rear accessible PSU fan filter.

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No fan filter in the front.

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That's a pretty tight mesh. And one of the things that we liked about some of the newer designs,

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like the one from Landcool as well, as actually that one from Corsair,

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is outstanding airflow. That's not something that we're seeing

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on our Phanteks offering here.

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Do you think it's on par with Corsair at a seven, I think?

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I kind of feel more, I'm kind of feeling more of a six for features.

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Like what stands out to you? It doesn't support a vertical mount like the Corsair does.

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I believe the Corsair does. Yep. The Corsair supports a vertical mount.

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Yeah, I'd say six then I feel like is on. Didn't have the Cooler modular movable rails.

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Like it just has a, oh yeah, yeah, I got that. This, there you go.

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Like it doesn't have the modular rails. It just has like your standard,

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here's a bunch of different holes for mounting stuff. And yeah, you can cover them, but this is old meta, you know?

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We'll do six. I don't think it really stands out on the features.

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Building experience out of 10. Did anything get in the way or enhance the building?

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It felt like you just flew through that. I don't think anything really enhanced it,

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but boy is that ever a nice looking build. And my brain was just about completely turned off

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while I did it. That's actually a positive, right? Yeah, oh, I mean that in a very positive way.

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Effortless build, I'd say nine. Cool.

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Yeah, really solid build experience. Cable management out of five.

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Tie down points, any other channels.

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You had that one gripe about that, where that one cutout was,

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but I think that was basically it. Other than just not being quite as good as the LandCool,

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what can I really complain about? You know? Yeah.

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Lots of tie down points. They included 100 bazillion cable ties.

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Literally 100 bazillion. It's just not as good as the LandCool

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or the Corsair, I'd give it a three.

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Yeah. Okay. Price.

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This came in at the same price as the LandCool, $90 US.

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And I think it has to have the same score. So a six? Yeah, I think that's a very reasonable price

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for even a fairly high end gaming machine.

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I think what we've learned today is that there is no obvious reason.

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That looks pretty good, huh? It looks good with all the RGB fans, I'd say. There is no obvious reason that I can see

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to spend more than $100 on a case. Yeah, I agree.

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Like, you can obviously, you can have like,

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something could be an aesthetic choice for you, but that's not a reason, right?

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That's taste. And something being to your tastes can, okay, come on.

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Something being to your tastes can kind of be a reason

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for it in a sense, but when I talk about reason, I mean like logical, right?

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Like, oh, it has better cooling or it has better support for the parts

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that I want to use or whatever, right? But I don't think I can come up with a reason

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to spend more than $100 on a case. We have three, I would say, outstanding options

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that are anywhere from $89 to $110,

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and also the mesh if I see was there.

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Do you think there's any bonuses related to it? I think the looks are a bonus.

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It's got, with all the RGB fans in there, and then our cooler and the GPU, like it looks good.

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I think it's the best. It's got the biggest pane of glass out of all of them.

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Both of these have kind of this basement cutoff, kind of new meta thing going on that,

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I don't know, yeah, some people might be into. Personally, I like the uninterrupted

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just sheet of glass on the side.

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I like that they include four RGB fans at $90.

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Yep, the LandCool only had two. That's pretty outstanding. Corsair had zero.

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They didn't even have that many non-RGB fans included in their case.

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And that was $20 more. Do you think this is the highest one then with three bonus points?

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Cause you think it beats the LandCool cause it has more RGB fans?

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Cause you ended up taking off like half point for a little bit of the no dust filter,

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which like you said, this one front doesn't either.

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I think I can only really give it two bonus points. Two bonus points?

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Yeah, and those are basically for just being able to completely turn my brain off,

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like liking that it's like the mesh if I see and that it's like the NPC.

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Sure. The case that an NPC could build.

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Like just, it's so basic. Everything's exactly where it's supposed to be.

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And I don't have to consult the manual. Like we had to look at the manual to figure out what some of the parts were

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for some of the earlier cases. Yeah, you're right, you're right.

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Where is this? Come on, please. 12 plus nine is 21.

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Plus three is 24, 26.

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Okay. Wow.

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The mark of a good scoring rubric is that when you're done,

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it kind of aligns with what you probably would have wanted to rank them anyway.

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And I think we've actually kind of nailed this here. So here, Andrew, do you want to hop down carefully?

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A lot of cable. There's no question that we started with the best.

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Whether it's because this is the top selling at Micro Center, where people really do get to get

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hands on and up and close and personal with the product before they buy it.

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Or whether it's just because it's a more innovative design.

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I think the Landcool 207 from Lee and Lee stood out from the rest and it score reflects that.

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It scored 30.5 and while it wasn't necessarily

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the simplest to build, so they didn't get

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any extra bonus points for that,

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what it was was an absolute joy to build. It was full of little things that I was discovering

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as I went along that were just so thoughtful

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and exciting that it made me happier to build a computer.

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I also love what they've done for cooling, bringing the bottom intake right over here

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directly over your GPU and moving the power supply

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up to the front while also making it easier to plug in modular cables because you don't have

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to fish through the basement of your case. This is a really outstanding case and for $90,

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I just, I can't recommend it enough.

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Absolutely love it. I mean, look at this. Look at this mesh.

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She's so cooling centric and yet manages to look so good

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and be so easy to build in. Really like it.

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Coming in second place then is the one we just finished up with over here.

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The Phanteks XT Pro Ultra.

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While it's lacking some of the little innovative touches

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that we saw with the LAN cool, it has more RGB.

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It's a more straightforward build, extremely roomy,

02:27:28.840 --> 02:27:31.440
nice and easy to build in and

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that's about all you can really say in it. It was probably the fastest build. I agree, but it was also our fifth.

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You know, we were getting quicker. We had some extra, like, you know, getting the coolers on and everything, so.

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But dude, the cable management took me like 30 seconds. Like it was really fast.

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I agree. With 26 points, a very, very close third

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with 24 points was the Corsair Frame 4000D.

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This one too, extremely airflow optimized.

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Like look at this. I could practically put my fist through this front mesh.

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Absolutely outstanding. I think Corsair has got a couple of really cool innovations

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on their hands here with the ability to switch out

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either the blacked out or the kind of translucent cover

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on the bottom here. If you wanted to have like some lighting effects behind it or something like that.

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I like the adjustable rails that they have for both the front fans as well as the top fans

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so that you can have a clear shot of your obviously Corsair would like you to buy.

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Corsair RGB fans that you install in there. As always, it's Corsair quality and it's just thoughtful.

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They've got two captive thumb screws that are included in the power supply bracket.

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So if you don't want to dig through your power supply box for additional screws, you can just throw those on

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and you don't even have to get out a screwdriver to put in your power supply. That's something that I've not seen in a lot of years.

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There was one power supply maker, XFX. Can't remember who used to include thumb screws

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with their power supplies until they realized that there were compatibility issues with cases

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and then that stopped being a thing. But Corsair, Corsair's bringing it back.

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I thought they did a great job. And then Fractal with the Meshify C.

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Honestly, sorry, there it is.

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Top seller at B&H. I don't know what that tells us about photography, videography people

02:29:23.000 --> 02:29:25.280
and their taste in cases.

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It's fine. We gave it a C, 20 points out of 35.

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Fractal makes a lot of really great products and there's nothing wrong with this one.

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We just don't really like the price compared to the other ones that were comparing it against it smaller.

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It was more cramped to work in. Cable management was fine, I guess.

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And the build experience was NPC simple, just like we saw with the Phanteks.

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But what it lacked was anything to set it apart.

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It doesn't have front USB-C. It doesn't have a cool power supply mount.

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It doesn't have like a whole bunch of included RGB fans.

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It doesn't even have an easy to clean front filter. Like it just falls short on the features

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where it actually scored dead last

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alongside our last place finisher, the Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L,

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which is a $40 case. So all the other negative things I could say about it,

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I'm gonna crumple up in a ball

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and say this is a $40 case. If all you want is MATX and you don't mind some warts,

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some challenges in the build process, it's got filters on all side

02:30:35.280 --> 02:30:37.600
and it holds your computer.

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And it's $40. Sometimes that's all you need though.

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Is there anything else that you feel like we should round off? I mean, again, thanks Valkyrie.

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Really? You're gonna thank a Twitch streamer?

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You talk. Thanks Pokeymane. Thanks for providing all of the coolers for us.

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If we weren't broke boys, we'd have bought them ourselves. That's crazy.

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If you're broke boys, just say so. I don't think there's anything else to say.

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I think you should just cut it down. We're digging ourselves into a hole faster than we can dig ourselves out of it.

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Quick, please, please, please, please. What about holes?