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How many times have you guys asked the question online, just to get several different responses?

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Like, what CPU should I use? Seven hundred answer!

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Or, how much RAM do I need? What do you guys need?

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Will you guys stop? No! Well, at least they can all agree on that.

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But it does make me wonder, do we, the writers of Linus Tech Tips,

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all give different answers to arguably objective questions?

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And if we don't, can we give a convincing reason as to why we think the way we do?

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Each one of us is going to read off a prompt, give our answer, and see what arguments come out of it.

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Ray tracing is path tracing, okay? So, when they just, they just lie the whole time.

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They lie the whole time. It's like, no, it's not okay. And to make it even more interesting,

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some of these questions Linus has already answered, whether it was on Wanshow or in another video.

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We may not know in the moment when we're debating, but you guys will see this little pop-up.

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How about we start with that first one? How much RAM and storage do you need for gaming in 2025?

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I would make the argument that you only needed about 16 gigabytes of memory,

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and one terabyte of storage. If you're doing more demanding tasks,

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like Photoshop editing or video editing, then I would argue for more RAM,

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but I feel like one terabyte gets you enough of a handful of games. We gotta use the paddles.

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Yeah, we gotta use the paddles. I, it's close. It's really close.

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I think that one terabyte is enough for games, and I think 16 gigs of RAM is starting to be on the low end.

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If you're running Windows 11, and if you're doing any kind of extra,

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like I have my Plex server on my computer, and so I've been getting low memory mornings

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with 32 gigs of RAM, when I try to launch a game

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if I have stuff running in the back. Yes, that's a fair point. He only said gaming.

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He only said gaming. That's true. I would also agree with you insofar as that

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the difference in price between 16 and 32, it's not that big.

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No. Yeah.

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And you are gonna get a lot more long-term value over 32 Gigabyte.

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There's really good value DDR5 kit. So if you're building a DDR5 machine, I would push towards 32,

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but if you're going so budget that you're on DDR4, it's 16 is probably still adequate.

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Like everything we're gonna answer today, I think it's gonna be, it depends.

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It also depends on your internet speed and if you are capped on data,

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because if it is a big deal to download game that takes two days and you are limited to 200 gigs a month,

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then you want to have a lot of storage. What are you guys playing? This?

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Okay, click. Yeah. See you in 10 minutes. Just like you should click the link down below

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to our sponsor. Who wants to take the next one? Oh, David.

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What is better for most people? A pre-built or a custom-built PC?

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I don't wanna answer this. Most people is too hard of a term to kind of lock down.

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For most people, if we're including literally everyone on this planet. Most.

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Pre-built. I think that it is a better choice for most people.

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I have been shocked with how difficult it is to optimize your PC in 2025.

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Getting a resizable bar working for normal people is enough of an obstacle

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that you will not get the most out of your GPU. And if it's pre-built and they're optimizing it for you,

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then you are actually getting your money's worth. That's assuming those settings are done out of the box,

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which we've seen from our Secret Shopper series that sometimes they don't take the time

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to configure the BIOS, maybe missing XMP or some other settings, right?

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I think it's still good to do a once-over, maybe watching a video that can help you

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get the most out of your PC, even if you do buy a pre-built. But I would agree for most people,

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a pre-built's probably the way to go. I've had multiple friends reach out for help

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and I've given them like full tutorials on here's what you need to do,

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here's your parts list, here's how it'll go, I'll walk you through building it.

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And then a week later, they're just like, I bought this pre-built and they send me a link.

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And I'm like, that's cool, man, I'm happy for you, you've got a computer or whatever.

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It can be a daunting task, right? They get afraid. It's just the same thing as like,

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should you change your own oil? Probably, it's not that hard.

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So you save a lot of money, you can dump it down the drain.

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But 90% of people just go to the quick loop and then say no to anything that they offer you

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and get your oil changed. Let's go Adam.

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What is the biggest waste of money when building a PC?

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This is a hard to yes or no, because... I mean, we're gonna agree we're at...

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Well, yeah, we've got a way for him. There's so many ways to waste your money.

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Custom cables. Ooh. Custom cables.

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That's pretty good. I would broaden cables into aesthetics.

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I think that aesthetics is the thing that people spend the most money on and most people have their computers

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tucked beneath their desk. That's a fair one. I agree with that one. As much as I fully agree with you,

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I am also the person who will absolutely go and spend an extra $200 on RGB backplate,

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custom cables that match my bill, extra RGB light strips.

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I'm in the school, I'm in like the Milford Man type computer, okay?

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A computer should be neither seat nor herd.

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Like children. I agree with that. And I, no, let's finish this.

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I have another one. Oh, hey, you know what? No, if you guys are gonna talk over each other, use the screwdriver.

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It's the talking screwdriver. I go first on. No, I wanna hear David's point.

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What I think people waste the most money on in PC building is in patience.

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They don't wait for the right deal. And it's like, unless you have a broken computer

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and you need that computer next week to do work, just wait for the sales, man.

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Like, and buy it piecemeal. Don't buy it all at once. Wait for there to be a motherboard and like RAM combo.

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Wait for there to be a CPU and storage combo. And you can save literally $1,000 on a $2,000 computer.

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Like you can save so much money if you just wait a little bit.

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Yeah. Should I use an air cooler or an AIO?

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Oh. Now, you're up first.

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This is really tough. Cause I think that most people can use an AIO just fine.

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And they've gotten a lot more reliable. And cheap. And cheaper.

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But I don't think you can beat the reliability

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that is fan plus hunk of metal. So I'm going to vote for air cooler.

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I 100% agree with you. For most people. Yeah. Yeah.

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Especially with thermal right being king recently, their prices on their air coolers have come down so much.

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They also sell like a $50 AIO. That's right. That's right.

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Yeah. That's the thing. You can also get a similar performing $20 tower cooler.

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And I'm confident that my air cooler will work in 15 years.

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Whereas my AIO, there's no way it's making it pass. No. The water will evaporate at some point,

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slowly over time, or the pump might fail. Going back to the longterm use of it,

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companies like Noctua basically promise any sort of mounting as new sockets come out, right?

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You can email them and be like, hey, I still have this cooler with proof of purchase.

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Can I get the newest mount and they'll send it? You don't have proof of purchase. It costs $7.

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I think we're all pretty much on the same page though about an air cooler. Get an air cooler.

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Yeah. If you're worried at all. Should I buy a good headset or surround speakers?

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Oh. It depends. I feel like this one might be a Linus one.

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He's talked so much on WAN about how he misses like his 5.1

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surround setup that he used to have. I still think because I live with my wife,

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I would get a headset. There's no way I could justify a surround. Are we talking?

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Experience. Exact same dollar amount. What is our dollar amount?

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What is your living situation? There is so many factors that could decide

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what is better for your situation. If I have to make a blanket statement for everyone,

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I think a headset is more universally useful.

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But I don't want to make that statement. I refuse. I'm surprised that this is even like the comparison.

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I thought you were going to say good headset plus or get a separate mic and headphones.

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Oh, that's a great question too. That's a bigger question to me because I think

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should you buy surround speakers for your computer? No.

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Let's debate that other question because I think we're actually more interested in the minutiae of that.

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I am. Headset with mic built in or headset and mic combo separately?

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With unlimited budget, of course, having separate devices is better.

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100%. You have a $100 budget. Oh, OK. Headset probably.

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At the combo. Or like the really? For $100, yeah, because you're not

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going to get a decent pair of headphones and a decent mic for $100. If you're buying brand new kind of,

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I completely agree with you on that. Yeah. Because on top of that, you have to contend with the fact

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that then you have to deal with two devices, which is either twice as many things to charge.

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Or twice as many wires. You have to deal with usually there's

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less convenient sound management. Like you have to manage your mic. Oftentimes, if it's a USB mic, it's also an output.

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There's so much to deal with. If it's on your desk and especially if it's cheap,

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they'll pick up all of your desk noise. Every single time you bump it, whereas a headset mic

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might be lower quality overall in terms of your speech intelligibility, it's

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going to be less annoying to everybody on the Discord call with you.

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Yeah, that's fair. I would rather just spend $100 on headphones and pretend like I don't have friends.

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That's headset versus speakers.

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I would think it's got to be a headset over surround. I refuse to answer it's too situational right in the middle.

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So I'm going to agree with David. First question is not a comparison that's relevant

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to anybody normal. And then for the second question about should you

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get a combo headset mic or separate? On a budget.

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On a budget, I think it's got to be combo. If you're as close to 99 as possible

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and you're not going used, the combo. No, I think you should still go separate.

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Just get a crappy mic to start and then plan on investing in a $40 mic down the road.

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That's fair. The man freeches patience. What is a better investment?

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Balling out on a high end system today or spreading out the same money over several small upgrades?

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I'm a believer in using your money economically and there's such a big point of diminishing returns

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in PC building that you should aim for good enough today

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with smart upgrades that you know you're going to do in a couple years.

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I might be the only one that disagrees. Tell us why you disagree, Elijah.

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My idea behind this is let's say it's $5,000 over five years.

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I don't know. That's a really top of the line system, by the way. I think if you're buying that good of a computer

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in our current state of gaming and how it's been the last couple of years,

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you're going to be totally fine in that five years versus trying to get to that same performance by the time

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it's at that five year. I buy a $3,000 system right now and then I buy a $2,000

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graphics card five years from now. I'm going to have a better system. Maybe it just depends on them what you're starting and budget

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is, right? Because I think if you start with $1,000, I would totally agree on doing a more upgrade path, right?

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I think it's tough because there's always a little bit of crystal balling and I

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think that GPUs will be better value in two years.

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So I'm going to plan for that to be the time that I upgrade my GPU.

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But you never really know something catastrophic can happen in the world or things can change

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or someone has breakthrough technology and all of a sudden there's $250 graphics cards that are really frigging good.

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And I feel like that's playing a dangerous gambling game in some elements versus you know what you can get right now.

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This is what you can get. Yeah, but what you can get right now sucks.

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I agree on that part. Let's reduce it from $5,000 because that's way more than.

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Yeah, go to $2,000 total. $2,000 total.

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$1,000 PC, $1,000 of a index ETF.

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OK, and then sell that in two years.

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But then you have to pay taxes on the income you make. No, I put in my TFSA.

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It's a tax sheltered account. Obviously I use my registered account, Elijah.

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This is financial advice. No, no, no.

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I think, again, it comes down to situational, but I would agree for probably most people.

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I would probably lean back towards you guys. And I would agree that doing the incremental upgrades

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is better for most people. When you're buying crypto, you dollar cost average, OK?

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Dollar cost averaging. That's when you space out. That's why you even out your losses.

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Is ray tracing worth the FPS hit? Absolutely not.

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Ray tracing is yet to be a still unproven technology.

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It is a perform worse button. Half the time, unless you're using the ultra ray tracing

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settings, you're getting worse than the baked-in lighting. That's for the middle and below settings on Cyberpunk.

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It's true in Alan Wake until you get to the really high settings, which absolutely nuke your performance.

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Ray tracing, it was a solution looking for a problem that has been shoved down our throats

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by the NVIDIA, and now everyone's doing it for some reason

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because it has been the hype thing, and also NVIDIA is now a $5 trillion company.

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So if you just kind of work with NVIDIA, then you get that NVIDIA money, OK?

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So here's the thing. OK, no, no, no, it's not OK. It's not OK. Ray tracing sucks.

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Ray tracing is bad. They said, what if we chose, what if we just

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tried to make the most infinitely difficult thing to compute, and what if we made us do it now instead

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of rendering out like everyone else? Like they just chose an impossible task

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and then said, let's eat hardware at it, and they failed for 10 years straight.

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I agree with the prompt, and I disagree with you guys. I think that it's on a per game basis, Metro Exodus,

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for example, especially with their version that was done without raster and was entirely ray traced.

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It looks incredible. Depending on what FPS you're starting from, if we're going from 100 and I'm going down to 80

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to enable ray traced lighting, I'll probably do that.

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Maybe I just have so much pent up hatred, because also ray tracing, when they called it ray tracing,

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they're like, well, it's not actually path tracing. Path tracing is a different thing. I was like, well, that wasn't ray tracing in the other place,

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because ray tracing is path tracing, OK? So when they just lied the whole time, they lied the whole time.

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No, it's not OK. Do you know how big is the transistor in your CPU?

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It's on a 5 nanometer process. That's all bulls***. I think most of us say that it is not worth the FPS.

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Not worth it. Except for Plouf. He thinks it's worth it. Depending on the game.

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Oh, this one's definitely a Linus one, and it's definitely more of an opinion piece.

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Oh, boy. It's ad block piracy.

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OK, the problem with the premise in this discussion. Well, I asked the question.

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I'm supposed to go next. You're right. Thank you, Talking Screwdriver, lttstore.com.

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I'm hearing everyone getting ready to type on their keyboards at home right now.

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At its core, yes, ad block is piracy.

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I agree. Do I do it and I'm a pirate?

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Yes. Oh, yeah, I'm not saying I don't, but it's 100% piracy.

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I think it is. You want to say something? I'll let you go. The problem is, how do we define piracy?

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And we could sit here and debate the minutiae of what that means,

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and we could define it to have it be that ad block is piracy one way,

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or we could define it that it's not. And I think that the real problem people had

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is that they thought Linus was attacking the morality.

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And I don't think that's what he was doing. I agree with you. And I think that piracy is totally fine.

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And there's nothing wrong. If you want to pirate, I pirate a ton.

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We all do. For legal reasons, no one here does.

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So I disagree mainly because it makes the discussion more

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interesting. I think the whole thing, ad block is piracy is a packaging issue.

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However, my thought is that you're not enriching the artists who are providing you with free art.

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You are enriching the platform. The thing you are stealing is not the platform.

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This is where people get mad about it. When you think about it, the thing that you're stealing is the data,

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because that's what costs money for the platform.

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You're not stealing the art because it's already being streamed and available.

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But that's such a narrow argument, because the platform is what provides the data in terms

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of what we measure our success on. I mean, if we saw recently with Linus

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talking about this on the WAN, with how many people use ad blocker,

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we saw our views take a dip because people are using it so much

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when ad blocker actually made a change recently that was affecting

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how views were counted on YouTube. And if you were to extrapolate that into what our normal ratio is

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and try to extrapolate revenue, not even just for us,

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but other creators that are out there on the platform, it's not just stealing from YouTube

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because you big, bad YouTube company. You are actually harming creators.

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But I think in terms of this argument, we're going to break it back down to its core.

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It is piracy. Using ad blocker, I still think it is piracy.

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I think it's not piracy, it's a packaging error. I think it harms creators.

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I think it harms the platform. But I also think that they've dug their own hole.

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It's the same thing that you were saying. It's a service issue. We need David's vote.

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David convinced me to pay for YouTube premium.

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He did. It's the one thing that's worth paying for. Is ad block piracy?

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It's piracy, but it's totally fine to do it. There is nothing wrong with doing it.

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I actually recommend it. I recommend it, too. For safety on the internet, yes.

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We are supporting you for doing it. What is the best time to upgrade your computer?

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There's no best time. When you have the money or when you need to.

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Yeah. If you want something that's more practical, like when and during the year.

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Oh, you should buy it hard. Back to school sales.

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Cyber Monday. And then usually, assuming everything's in stock,

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when the next gen launches, buy old gen stuff, drop it quickly.

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Huge. So like mid spring, late summer is always good.

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I agree with all that. I think overall, it's safe to say that we all agreed on some things, gave different answers for others,

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and I think that's why it's super important whenever you're looking or have a question,

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you should do research. Find multiple videos by different creators.

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