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Did you meet your mic he did okay
It's really hard to eat with braces. Oh, okay. I was gonna say it's like
Really loud, but I guess that's because of braces. Okay. I know you can't really talk so easily right now
But how are the braces going? They don't seem to be affecting you as much my wax things came off
What's that the blocks? Oh
Okay, so the bite blocks are out which makes it a lot better
And then I went and I had them put like semi-permanent wax over a lot of the really
Bother some ones So these ceramic that were like cutting you yeah, the ceramic brackets are sharp and they sit more proud off the tooth
so they're just shredding the insides of my mouth
But they have this like semi-permanent wax that they can put on and then cure with a black light and it smooths them out a
Lot which makes it also makes it easier for me to talk because it makes it so my lips slide over them more easily because they're like a
Rough ceramic texture. So like my lips don't slide as easily
But a couple of the semi-permanent wax pieces came off over the last little bit
So I like a lot of pain here and friction and I'm hungry
I
Okay, I want that to be my the thing that I call out as a topic. I
Want my topic to be ad hoc Linus topics
Yeah, you can't do that that's cheating I think I can I
Think that'll be really funny. I think that's cheating. I don't think there's rules here
Oh
What is my call-out topic hmm it's ad hoc Linus topics I
Think it's my favorite topic of the show
Just like cheating and getting speakers from a co-worker was your favorite deal of that wasn't even me
Just like bringing a subwoofer from home. It wasn't me was your second favorite deal of scrapyard Wars
In verse of deals though, I mean it was it was my it was up there for sure getting it for free
Oops
If anyone's an expert in cheating it's Linus, it's it's old Linus though
Besides when did I ever actually break a rule? Oh you that was really did when oh that was written
We didn't do written rules. That's both that was that's all stuff show me a rule. I actually broke
Was never written as history it was never written that I cannot that I cannot use an infrared camera
To play hide-and-seek it was never written
Remember that Nobody wrote to that. Hmm. Nobody said that hmm
I'm just saying
If you don't want people to do stuff then you have to put the rules in place you made the game
Someone else could have used an infrared camera you pay everyone
No part of this makes any sense Angel of death appropriate username says Linus is a true Canadian rules get written after he does the things
Yes, just like our forefathers
Was I playing footsie with you there
Oh Power brick sounds like a really good like protein bar
I don't know it should be
That's what we should call our like if it isn't or you like need to make one the power the power brick
I don't think there is one. Oh my god
Nice, man. I'm good at this. We should make a protein bar. Oh man. Do we really want to do that?
Yeah, that's why there's like 4,000 brands, you know why I don't do food stuff though
They're also also just not very good
I know but the only way to make them good is to put a bunch of sugar in them. No, I mean like they're not
They're like healthy. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean there's like no way
Okay, what would your stupid power Barbie though it'd be flavored with hot sauce and mustard
I
Zero calorie flavoring so there's that I think you know what the power brick hot sauce mustard power
We could have another flavor 100% chicken if you want to do
I
Chicken jerky a thing. I mean it's gotta be
Protein bar is just chicken 100% success chicken
Successful getting protein inside you
Chicken jerky
Man you and Taylor Swift just can't stop stop talking about your sex lives. Is she's doing that?
Her latest album has lots of references to redwood trees or something apparently. I don't know. I haven't listened yet
All right, let's start the show shall we apparently you can make chicken jerky
I mean, well, I mean, yeah, right like
Simple hands, I don't get it
All right, wait, what did you ask me to do? I think you asked me to do something just now. I don't know what it was. Oh
My god What's up?
Chicken sriracha bar. Well, you've been beaten to the punch
Sorry Luke epic
What is what is epic? Is this us? Is this their brand or is this like a curated?
No, what are the air in epic store epic provisions is that what it's called?
Yeah, it is epic provisions
Chicken 11 grams of protein
Wow, that's a lot of salt Okay, so you don't you don't have to put sugar in it you could also load it up with salt and or fat
It might be for a preservative reasons. What is it actually a hundred calories? That's not bad for 11 grams of protein
Mm-hmm. If we can do chicken bars, it's a lot of sodium for your 100 calories
Just call it just there's your marketing term electrolyte infused. Oh my god
It's probably from the sriracha to be honest make them Gatorade flavor
So you could just not do sriracha and just do like a Frank's zero calorie
which will still have a ton of
Salt, but it won't have the sugar because this has a little bit of sugars. Let the record show
I'm the one trying to start the show
So when Luke complains that he wants to go home early then it's from the sriracha. It will be Luke's fault
Yeah, but you started talking about chicken
And us potentially making a protein bar and that is the way to 100% was Luke
Which I would be so down for because then I could use my merch budget
Why are we sold out of bars all the time?
They're all shipping locally it's so weird. Oh, no, there was a problem with the form and looks entire history got deleted
Crazy all that happened
All right, you can start whenever yeah, I like the power bar. I might yeah power brick power brick. Yeah, it should be big
It's the biggest yeah, which is the biggest protein bar. Yeah daily meal replacement in a brick
Yeah, it's like the eyeglass slot in the backpack. Yeah, it's like
Like who needs to like you like it's a multiple meal replacement bar
Alienware laptop power brick sized
Okay, that'd be a little big But maybe like like when razor started slimming them down a little bit for the for the blade 17 like you know
Yeah, there's like the thin the wide ones. Yeah, like you should have to two-handed. You know what I'm saying
Okay, then dude is random yeah nerds with a YouTube channel thing
Made like an actually really good protein bar. I
Think that would be really funny And kind of cool
Yeah
It sure would
I'm sure it's possible. I'm sure it's possible. I mean some random nerds made a really good competitor for lunchables
I'm gonna not get beat it. Oh my goodness
All right, I'm gonna resume selected now. We have to start the show eventually
Respond to that
What's up everyone happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show
Okay
Started got a great show lined up for you guys today. We're gonna be talking about our plan
See, we don't have anything to upgrade in my house. Oh
So we're going to get a tech house that is not a tech house
But we're gonna make it a tech house come one and we're gonna need your help because
There's gonna be a right way to do this And then there's gonna be all the other options that we have available to us
And we want to know what direction you guys want to see it go. We're also gonna be talking about. Oh, yeah
Xbox might be dying So that's pretty cool
Like literally Costco pulled the Xboxes off the shelf
Like crazy. What that's a huge. Yeah, like you got it. What anyway?
What else we got this week? Yeah is going private in the largest private equity buyout
Ever I thought you're gonna pick good news. Did you think it was bad already?
Wait for what's coming next and speaking of coming next after that we have various ad hoc Linus topics
Which I'm unironically excited for that'll be good. That'll be a good part of the story
It's gonna be a very good part of the show. What does that have to do with sexual innuendo?
I
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We got to get to the point where you're like an auctioneer
Actually take auctioneer classes something like I don't think I I don't think I could do it
I really don't think I can talk that fast, especially not with these cutting up my mouth once the braces are out
Maybe let's jump right into our headline topic, which is of course the tech house
This has been on various stages of front burner back burner side burner after burner
For probably years at this point with in different forms varying varying degrees of sort of
plausibility and different people sort of supporting the initiative, but one point it was a hotel
That was kind of different. Okay. That was pretty different
But I'd say the origin of the idea goes all the way back to Colton
Basically trying to figure out how to get Linus media group to substitute his home or subsidize his home
We were pretty clear that that probably won't make a ton of sense
Just that's really funny because a lot of people in full-point chat seemed to be convinced that it's my house
No, just buying a house for Colton So so I think his original pitch to me was something along the lines of okay, hear me out
The company buys a house I rent it for cheap and live in the basement
And the company uses the upstairs to do like tech house things and then like if I like it
I'll buy it after and I was like So basically you just want the deal Luke had
Which was so good back when we were working out of the Langley house as a studio and
I Pretty much was like Colton you understand the hundred or so reasons
Namely all of your fellow employees that that is not fair and we cannot do that, right? He's like
okay but We've given it a lot of thought and we've kind of assessed a lot of the different options and I think there is a path forward now
If you're a regular watcher of the show, you'll probably know that I'm not super comfortable with the idea of
Residential housing as an investable commodity, and it's not something that I want to participate in
I kind of have a I kind of have a like a
Sports day approach to sort of housing allocation
You know they brought some food Everybody's working hard. Everybody's hungry
If you want a second one, that's totally cool, but you should probably wait till everybody's had their first, you know
right, just be a good fellow citizen and
It and to be clear, you know, I didn't know where that was going, but I like it's good analogy
No, no no disrespect to anyone who you know does
Landlording stuff or whatever everyone's got their own personal sort of value system and what works for me might not work for you and vice versa
And you know no disrespect for people who you know have a vacation property or you know, whatever else
I think if you have a cabin by the lake somewhere You know that's that power to you or whatever else, but it's it's not for me
and So finding a way to buy a house because like what we're gonna lease one and make a bunch of improvements to it
Like you got to be kidding me right now. No, right? So so buying buying a house
Finding a way to do that in a market like Vancouver, which is quite literally in the top if not top three
Definitely top five most unfavorable housing markets in the entire world
for the sole purpose of making videos in it
The optics aren't questionable at the very least definitely questionable
Yeah, but I came up with an idea that I think people are mostly gonna vibe with so I'm thinking we find something that is
um Probably not easily within reach of the average Vancouverite
But something that from at least kind of the outside will look like kind of a normal single family home in a lot of like
You know, the united states midwest or whatever, you know, like it'll it'll be kind of a you know
small yard front and back and I'm aiming for like anywhere between about
1,800 square feet 2,500 square feet
If we could find something that was a touch on the bigger side like 28 2900 square feet and it had a basement level
I think that would be pretty cool because that would unlock a lot of content options more like
sets Areas to work on things to do it's modes for the house to be in it's more cool stuff that we can do for sure, right?
um, and then the idea here and there are some there are still some like tax and
So some tax implications, especially that we would have to figure out around this but the idea
Don't hold me to this is that we would buy the house
Okay, we would make a bunch of tech improvements
And the law stipulates that or tax law stipulates that when you sell an asset
It has to be for something resembling a market value, right because otherwise you could you could make the argument that
um Are we still live?
It appears so otherwise you could make the argument that um, if you bought it for instance
You'd be receiving uh, like a cash equivalent benefit, right? Like if I were to say, uh, I oh, I bought this house for 1 million dollars
Very funny ha ha vancouver. Yeah, right, but I bought this house for 1 million dollars and um,
Luke I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pay you at work this year, but uh
I'm gonna sell you this house for 10 dollars
Hey Nice don't worry about income tax
Right because you didn't have any income, right? Yeah. Well the government thought of that. That's really good. Oh, yeah, right
Exactly jerks So you're not you're not really allowed to do that when you sell something you have to sell it for something resembling a
A market value and look we can we can talk all day about whether that rule makes any sense or whether we like it
That's just the way it is That's the way it is here and we get audited frequently enough that it would it would be noticed even if we were like
Oh, yeah, well, we're just gonna we're gonna do it anyway. So
Something that I noticed though is you know between my own, uh, house shopping over the years and uh chatting with other folks
Who have also been shopping for homes is that occasionally people do sell a home, uh, fully furnished
And one of the things I've noticed about that is that
The pricing generally is doesn't change not very reflective. Yeah of all the stuff that's in the house
Which kind of makes sense because my place didn't come fully furnished But it was genuinely really close and that was valued at literally nothing the dead guys stuff, right? Yep. Yeah, so
Here's my idea We come in
We buy the house for let's say a million dollars
We do a bunch of stuff on it. I think we're gonna have to keep it for at least two years
Have you seen the new the new taxes on I don't know if they're in place yet
But they they're either in place or they're coming on people who flip a house in less than two years
I had no idea. Yeah, I that's I I saw that I don't I don't know if that's confirmed
Honestly, you're probably gonna need that much time to like do everything. I think so too
I think we're gonna have a lot to do I'm gonna with the amount of ideas that I've thought of just sitting here so far
Oh, dude, I want like oh man. I want to do geothermal on it. Like I want to do I want to do so much stuff
Basically everything that I was budget constrained or time constrained or constrained by the fact that I have to live in it
Everything I wanted to do with my house I want to do in this one and
one of the conversations I had with James was that
Okay, let's let's get to the conversation with James later first Let's finish the thought about how we're gonna do this
So so we spend our couple of years working on it and then whatever market fluctuation has happened in that time
We basically go, okay How about this how about just making sure that we cover all of our costs because not everything we put into the house is
Going to be sent by the manufacturer or a sponsor or whatever, but just to cover the stuff that we have to put in ourselves
and whatever the market is It goes out like that and we just if we put in the world's biggest TV or whatever
I don't know. I mean it was just in there like you might not like the TV. So we don't really know how to value that so
Yeah, because the the actual house and we put it on the market
Value It is super sketch to sell below a certain amount. Yeah, you like can't so you can you can sell it cheaply
Yeah, even though we probably wouldn't because we're gonna put a ton of money into it
Yeah, sure Like way more than would be reasonable like if we bought a house for 1.5 mil. How do you how do you decide who gets to buy it though?
Uh Okay, so see that because since I've heard this idea. I've been stuck on that part. So how does that work?
I don't know I'm not really there yet. We're we're probably three to six months from actually purchasing it
We're probably six to nine months from uploading the first video in it
And we're Almost three years from when we're gonna have to deal with this. Yeah speaking of someone in full-plane chat. Yeah barred from employees
so, um You and Elijah. I think are now the like
Eighth and ninth person to bring up that you're gonna be the one who wants to buy it. I'm sure so hear me out
Whole new series This time sponsored by NVIDIA NVIDIA
$500,000 ultimate house upgrade
I think they got the money for it. Oh my goodness. They could afford it. That would be amazing
So we turn we turn the entire channel into just like a tech house reno channel. Wow
Okay, so after the first one we just keep going
I mean, why would we have to have this one going at a time? It's we gotta wait around for permits a year worth of content
Oh easy per one. So like it kind of does potentially make sense. That's wild
Elijah says, how about we fight each other to the death the winner gets it Elijah? You don't want to fight Lou
That's actually fucking stupid my guy. There's people at the company though that would be very terrifying. Um
Okay, so anyway since unlike some other youtubers, I'm not actually trying to create real life hunger games. Um, or sorry rather the other one
Um Let's talk about the conversation with James because a big part of the issue with a lot of the upgrades that we did at my house
Was that there was no There was no customer for it
Like I was just kind of doing weird stuff that I would do for myself
And so I ended up with a lot of stuff that was Never really fully finished squid game. That's what I was thinking of there was never really fully finished or that
Didn't really make sense for most people
right like The average person like if I don't know who's gonna buy a house
I have to reno it in a completely different way from if I'm building some weird thing for myself
So instead of using home assistant, I probably use homey
You know what I mean? I see I'm so uh
I don't even know homey You're looking it up. Yeah
Yeah, so this it's basically it's kind of um, it's along the lines of what home assistant is trying to do
bringing all the disparate ecosystems into
One management platform But it's is it just more user friendly but
More closed. It's more user friendly. Um, and it's uh, and you have to like pay a subscription
Whereas I'm assistant. You can do everything yourself. I believe so actually just be home assistant
No, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. In fact, there's uh, there's one bloke
Um that I can't say much about because he's working on some cool stuff that I can't say much about but
Maybe home assistant could get more user friendly in the future
I mean, we're talking about something that we're not going to deploy for a couple of years at this point
But I'm basically just using that as an example of how we might do something a little bit differently instead of
um Having a cooling loop that is run into the walls of the pool to cool the mechanical room, you know, we might just do something where
um We have like, uh, uh, yeah, we might just not do that
Just an just an idea Or or some or some of the cool ideas that have actually worked out really well at my place like the land room is awesome
You could offer
Like we could just but we could do it more user friendly We'd make sure that there's actually, you know power buttons
You know next to all the machines, you know, we'd have like a nice little plate in the wall that has all the i o and everything
offered one year
of quarterly tech maintenance
for free As long as you are allowed to film it after the sale that's being offered
Uh, it can't for sure go with it. I I don't know it would be interesting to see like the decay
I don't know if that would be free because I don't want to do it
Um, I was just to be for filming. Yeah, and it wouldn't be you. Okay. I don't know. I'd no commitment
No commitment on that Anyway, I'd be interested to see how the stewards of the home like took care of
the stuff. Yeah I don't want that to be my problem
Sure, but I do want to have everything set up in such a way that conceivably
Whoever takes it on could use this stuff. So like are you gonna rip to studs?
I don't know if we'd have to I don't know if you saw uh, did you see josh chan's?
Uh, AMD ultimate tech upgrade. I haven't watched it yet. So I've been I've watched nothing
There's a lot of open walls But he didn't have to just rip all the drywall off either like they're all things that you could conceivably patch
And he managed to wire up a lot of that place with Ethernet cool as he needed to do and so I would want to not be
um Gratuitous about it
But I also wouldn't want to hold back The idea would be that we're buying something that has kind of like the original kitchen cabinets in it from 1993
You know like it It was it was overdue for a bit of a a bit of a spit shine
Anyway, and then as we go and do that we're gonna
Techify the place. So like uh, oh man. Ah shoot. I'm trying to remember who it was
Someone reached out recently They have this really cool mapping solution for setting up your wi-fi access points and it's like super sophisticated
I know like ubiquity has stuff like that but this one looked really cool and one of the reasons that it jumped out to me was that um
Joel Crane who used to work at meta geek is apparently there and he's a super smart guy
And so I was like, okay. Well, yeah if Joel's involved then maybe this is really cool. And so, you know
We would we would go in and as we're as we're figuring out where to put all of our Ethernet runs
You know, we do an episode on sort of wi-fi coverage mapping and and just all that kind of stuff
But I but you know a lot of the improvements we'd be making also wouldn't be tech
Like putting in new floors and like home reno home reno stuff
Here's okay. Here's a question for you guys is how much appetite would you have for the the not tech
aspects of this
Like like and I want to I want to hear from the audience right like the not tech aspects
Okay, so so here's okay. So let me let me give you let me give you a spectrum of
Things that are more or less techie and I you can tell me where you think the cutoff is. Okay. Okay, so
Uh putting in new floors hardwood floors in the living room
Honestly, if this is its own channel, yeah
I think that's fine. I don't know. It wouldn't be its own channel in its current form. I was this is just on
I was just joking about like having an NVIDIA sponsored home reno channel
I wasn't serious about that if if this is on LTT. I think an episode of putting in new floors is
Probably not gonna be that. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. Okay. Unless you do something weird with the floors
So that's where I'm going next. Okay. I'm getting there. Okay. Okay new kitchen cabinets
but and You know, there's not it's not much tech
But one of the things that I have found myself wanting in my place like if we'd redone our cabinets
I I had this idea that I turns out is not my idea
Because I've seen it done elsewhere now But I want to be able to take because my it'll be your idea if you thought of it before you saw it
My flip and dishwasher never gets things completely dry, especially plastic
So like the the little like rubber made or tupperware containers and stuff that you like put kids lunches in and stuff like that
they're they're never dry when they come out and What is even the point of having a drying cycle if I can't immediately take stuff out of my dishwasher and put it away
So one of the things that I would love to have in the kitchen cabinets
And we'd probably end up DIYing this is I would want to
Bake in airflow to the cabinets so that you can put everything away wet
And then there's just oh, this is a thing. Yeah, I know Oh, right. You said that but what makes it what makes it techier is I'd want I'd want to like DIY it
So we basically have like knocked to a fans
We have like we have like a like a humidity sensor
Inside or something I don't know if I mean most of them just I'm pitching here. I'm pitching
It's a rack The bottom of the shelf is instead a rack and it just drips into the sink because where are you gonna have the runoff water go?
So I'm not expecting to put things away wet wet
There are like sometimes there's a there's a cabinet above the sink
And the bottom of the cabinet is just a rack that is just open and it just drips into the sink
But that I wouldn't be able to do everything like that like that would only work for like it's a drying rack
It's a hidden drying rack. Yeah, like I don't that's not what I want I want when I pull everything out of my I just want some air flow water run
Well, I'm not so I'm not imagining that there would be a ton of water on I don't know how wet your plastic things are when they come
Would you like carry like I'm willing to give them a little shake before I put them in right like I
Or like, you know, if there's a couple pieces a cutlery is usually pretty good because it's metal so it
tends to retain a lot of the heat from the hot water and then that helps it kind of evaporate off of it, but
Um, I'm just I'm what I'm asking is this is this is that techie enough if we put some fans in a kitchen cabinet
Let's boil it down to that It's a little rough, but once you start getting the humidity sensors and stuff like that. I think it gets maybe okay
Okay, what if I didn't have a humidity sensor? What if it wasn't just fans in the cabinet and you just flip a switch?
I think that's a little rough Okay, okay, personally
What do you what do you guys think do you want to throw want to throw a pole on the Floatplane people there Dan?
See if uh, see what they think Now we know we know the poles don't work perfectly. So it's like what if the fans were RGB
Uh, yeah, it doesn't change anything. Well, no, no, no hold on. Are you sure like okay?
Because you know how you'll have your your kitchen cabinets that are closed, right?
Hear me out. No, I'm here. You I'm writing a note. Sorry
Okay, you know how you'll have your kitchen cabinets that are that are closed like they're solid, right?
But then you'll also have your display ones, right? Like that's where I keep my my my glass from timmy tech tv and like any that you like are collectibles or anything like that
Timmy tech tv glass is sick. So what if uh, what what if as part of your your more techy?
Cabinets you have like RGB strips in your display cabinets or something like that
I like are we are we getting there? Is it moving the needle for you at all?
Just because I think I hate that so much more
Than leaving it alone that I wouldn't want to see it. What if it wasn't?
What if you didn't use the RGB to turn it green and purple like what if it was more just like, uh
You have color temperature Control lights so you could have them have like a like a cooler light on your display or you know, whatever
All right, I want to see the results here Our cabinets techy enough. I'm not sure if I got what you were going for but that's no no. Yeah, that no that's fine
Okay, it seems pretty split. It looks pretty split so far. So okay good to know
But I think we're probably on the same page that as soon as there's any kind of humidity sensing
What if we what if the humidity sensor was really hard because it turns out humidity sensors?
Um can be a bit of a challenge. I was looking into making a cabinet
Um, and I understand it's called a humidor. I don't smoke cigars, but uh, I wanted to make a cabinet for
Storing badminton shuttles Okay, and the reason for that is that high humidity will help the feathers
Not be as brittle when you're playing so it makes them last longer now that they are so flipping expensive
that's kind of a bigger deal than it's ever been and
one of the things that I ran up against is like
consumer commodity that
Actually, not that not that simple Most of the
DIY humidor just buying a humidor. I'm assuming most of the DIY humidor stuff that I've seen is just like
Essentially putting like bags of Orbeez into a sealed wooden container like like very unsophisticated. How do you just?
Uh non diy purchasable humidors stay humid. Well, they're small. They're for cigars for the most part
It turns out that most people are either building a little little tiny humidor. It was so cute. They go
cigar, uh, or They're building an industrial humidity
environmental chamber this cigar sniff was amazing
My goodness, can you tell I've never smoked a cigar
That was slightly convincing though. I feel all right. Well, thank you
um So, yeah, there's there's not really much in the in between. Nobody is talking about how to store badminton shuttles in a humidor
Believe it or not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah um
Okay, all right, let me let but humidity detecting devices are all over the place
Okay All right, it just it could be really hard to tune it for just like a little bit of there's a little bit of moisture on a
There's um, but in here that's that's my main concern But okay, what about this? What if I had like, uh, what if I had um
Uh An an opening sensor on the door and whenever you open it
It kind of assumes that you're probably doing something and it blows the fans for a bit
Would that level of automation make it techie enough?
I think The spirit of that level of automation. Sure. I think that application sucks, but I think I get your point
Of okay, how about this? It's some form of trigger event. What if all the shelves? What if the shelves were quite custom?
And what if they they had they were made out of some kind of cool material?
That allowed everything to be put away wet and there was like integrated like drainage channels and stuff in the back
Or something So you could put anything on any shelf you want and even like soaking dripping wet and it would like go somewhere
Or something without molding. It sounds disgusting, but let's say we could do it
Hypothetically my my current brain due to current events is like no
because of the mold well, yeah, sure um, but
We design it so that it can be hosed out you take your dishes out and you can hose them down
The the problem that I see with that is just I don't see the tech integration there
um Maybe if you did it with like pc water cooling hardware
I mean, why does it have to be pc water cooling hardware? I mean nothing nothing else about the house is going to be pc
PC water cooling hardware could eventually just be like copper pipes and well. Yeah, and whatever
Yeah, exactly. Like I don't really kind of irrelevant. I don't think that's necessary. Yeah, I agree. Okay. All right
I either way. I don't think we're that far off. I think it couldn't just be angled metal trays though
and fans and fans and and custom shelves that are perforated
And we'd have to build in like an airflow path. We'd have to have venting to somewhere
Could this be is is any of the goal of this place also like green tech like you're doing solar panels
That would have to be could this be like water reclaiming? No, there's not enough. Not enough. Yeah, it wouldn't be worth it
I in my brain your your dishes come out so wet
I'm continually realizing that is not it runs a drying cycle loot. It just doesn't finish everything
I just you've always like massively stuffed your dishwasher loads. So I'm like not super surprised
They come out a little five people live in my house. I don't blame you and no
It's the plastic stuff because those rubber made containers They have the little they have the little ridge on the bottom that makes them stackable
Yeah, and so it's like a pool up there. It can't dry. Yeah, so it's it's frustrating
I'm trying to find Um, all right Anyway, did you guys have anything that you particularly wanted to see us do in the tech house?
Like I've got a whole dock of ideas, but if there's any brilliant ideas you guys have
Super open to it. Like I want to do conduit basically everywhere. I want to do it differently from how we did it in my place
Uh, oh man, I hope this isn't like pseudoscience junk, but I'm rather certain it's not
Um, I'd like to see like co2 management
Oh, okay. Yeah, just like monitoring. So if you're like landing in the basement
Yeah, and the co2 levels get really high Sure, like do something so airflow starts getting better
I think an alarm that goes off is probably about all you'd really need to do there
I mean, that's like a 10 minute project though. Sure, but that could be part of just like an overall episode on air quality manager
Yeah, yeah, right air quality management. I think would be pretty sweet. Oh, yeah
We actually have a video coming soon on
Well soon tm, but um, we've been looking into like monitoring water quality as well for like microplastics and stuff like that
So like uh, like a whole home filtration system is something we would absolutely be looking into for
You're not going to be very healthy due to all the gaming. So we're going to do whatever we can. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I like it. Um, I I'd love to do more with like
hidden tech so
You know having a having a room for instance where it's not obvious that there's a giant tv in it my like
eventual goal is for my living room area to not look like there's basically any tech going on
Yeah, and the tv is the toughest one um, I've I've heard of all kinds of just
Whackadoodle implementations of like hidden tv panels or like that like they like come out of the ceiling and freaking like
They're on like these like motorized arms and stuff
I don't think we'd go that far because right coming back to my conversation with james the the target audience
For this house shouldn't quite be me It shouldn't be someone who's willing to tolerate half of the things in their life being broken at any given time because
Okay, they want they just wanted to tinker with it, right?
Um, so i'm imagining but I also don't want to just go full
Money is absolutely no object So we're just going to like hire a contractor and spend a hundred thousand dollars on an articulated tv mount
I don't think we need to hide the tv But I do think a buried subwoofer in the backyard so that we can shake the entire back lawn so we can
Annoy our neighbors or whatever like we don't have to do the idea though that it seems like a fairly normal house
and then you see the like Utility closet or wherever where you have like a little server thing running
And then you're like wait what's going on in here? And then it like has to be revealed from there all the different cool things that are happening
AJ says he hooked up sensors to listen to fire and co2 alarms from his central kitty system
So I could see modifications of
Like factory 100 factory monitoring systems, right? Yeah being something that would be additive
Well, there's so that way like they could still just use the tell us app or whatever for their for their monitoring
But if they you know if it's working at the moment
And if they feel like tinkering with it there could be another level deeper that they could go
Like that that would be one way to do it I know of at least one co2 and humidity and some other stuff sensor that has just an API
Yeah So you could like set up just a little box that doesn't look of much consequence and tie event triggers into them
Man I am uh Oh, wow
Euro blues suggests we call it big nerd gaming house. That's not bad. I'm so into it. That's not bad at all big nerd gaming house
The b and g h That's not bad. That's not bad. I like the acronym
um Yeah, well, did they did these guys have any particular suggestions? Uh, you oh uvb and uvc air cleaners
Okay, so that's something that I'm a little sort of on the fence about is there's seems to be a lot of
Conflicting information about exactly how clear you necessary or clean you necessarily want your air
Like air quality from a pollution standpoint here is not a major concern
Yeah, it's basically just if there's like a fire. Yeah, and so I um, I don't know that we would necessarily put like hardcore air filtration into the place
um But I could see us putting in something that would be like compatible
With something like that in the in the central ducted air conditioning or something depends on where you live
But like in and I know this is a house, but like my apartment has massive issues with
um people who smoke both I mean a variety of things
cigar cigarettes weed on their
balconies. Yeah, and then it flows into other people's units. That's a bit of an air quality annoyance
Jack 33 in Floatplane chat says I have air filtration. It's amazing if you have a neighbor that smokes
Yep, yeah Matt man asks have you considered not buying the house and taking applications to rent with someone else's property?
We've considered that but the reason we wouldn't do that is because we're expecting this project to take place over
One to two years do that could get so annoying. Yeah, we can't be up in someone's business
Yeah, for that long. It just doesn't make any sense It sounds cool and then you really need to film and they have like a big social thing or they have a baby
Well, that's kind of what I mean something a family event level social issue and like it's really not acceptable to go in there at that time
Oh Trash networks and jad how's it going carbon filters do great at removing smells works great with frank the snake
Then i'm going to use my Floatplane privileges and post a frank the snake
Oh, okay Thank you for that luke. That's very helpful
Why don't we jump on to our next topic then since clearly we're done with this
You want to pick one uh Sure, we can continue the ad hoc topics
We should probably do some of the topics that we announced that we would you know what no, no, it's up to you
You pick i announced ad hoc topics. You did but that's like six topics. We have a weird follow-up. I got an email
I got an email really that is our number two topic of the show that luke received an email from
Character day ai emailed me from me and it said Linus sebastian sent you a message
Hey, hey, so remember when we were chatting with the wild world of ai and relationships
So I opened it up and it has that's my picture
And Linus's name and it said Linus sebastian sent you a message
I haven't clicked on anything this doesn't seem okay at all
That's crazy
That's wild wow. Oh, yeah, I mean I can go look at it
Wow, it just keeps talking. It's just been talking
Huh
So what's the what's the that's so bothersome what's the what's the rest of this message here?
Sorry, I can't read it. It's a little bit small Hey, hey, so remember when we were chatting with a wild world of ai and relationships
Well, guess what I just stumbled upon in the depths of the internet people using ai voices to recreate their x's
Just to have one last conversation. Can you imagine that's a
Rough suggestion from character ai a website that you could do that on
It must be super surreal to hear a machine mimic someone you used to have a connection with
But here's the thing. Do you think that might bring closure or just stir up old feelings? That is so gross
Oh, I don't even feel good after reading that
That is so icky
They do know that black mirror was not a playbook that was meant to be followed, right?
That's such a like You could do this on the site that you're currently on by the way
Recreate your x do it now like that's what that message is. It could give you closure
No, it won't or it could stir up old feelings. Yeah, that's probably more likely also like
If you're in a headspace where that even sounds remotely like a good idea
I guarantee you it is not the closure one. Yeah
Yeah Yeah
Oh I had never clicked on it. I didn't know it was that bad
I don't like that. That's weird I don't like that. That's my name and likeness. No, not even a little so not okay. It's
Super duper not okay um
They're lucky. I'm not litigious
But I will state for the record that I am 100 percent not okay with that
Oh, look, I just noticed you have a you have a job
I would look I have a job your host line is tech tips. Yeah, so this is like very literally definitely me
And the only plausible deniability they have here is that these are user generated. These are submitted by users
So if anyone was thinking hey, I should submit Linus to one of these things the answer is I'm not okay with that
So you can kind of take that for what it is. Um, and you can make a weird
um What what's something but you might as well know that you're doing it completely without my consent
I wanted to not just without my consent but against my express wishes
I can also pretty much guarantee that I could get this thing to say something that you would hate
I don't think that'll be necessary. I won't go through it. But like I think that's quite enough of I think that's quite enough of talking about that
Yeah, watch this. I'm gonna all shift five it there's there. See now the topic is done
Why don't we jump into one of our other topics? Okay. No, here's another quick one
Zip tie tuning uploaded a video today as many of many
Many of you have been pointing out in the chat And in terms of you know what to say about it
I wish I could say more. I I miss the days of like, you know people's last day
Bringing them on to WAN Show and like, you know doing a whole doing a whole thing posting videos together
When we were young, I know it's gotten Far more complicated. So as we mentioned before back when Alex and Andy announced their channel
Our policy is not to comment on staff departures whether it's on good or bad terms
Because unfortunately it turns it into a situation where
If we comment and we say something good Then people will make assumptions whenever we don't comment based on whatever we don't say and those assumptions are usually
Super wrong, um at best and super super dumb at worst. So
What I will do is I'll reiterate that we make the best efforts to part on good terms that we can
We wish Alex and Andy nothing but the best and since we're on the subject
Jake has also come out of stealth that he has departed and we wish him nothing but the best as well
Just like we wish everyone who has ever departed Linus media group
One way or another nothing but the best in their future endeavors
Um, all right, that's um forest gum style. That's all I have to say about that
Xbox or ea, which one do you want to do?
Uh, I mean, is this like as a one night stand or is this for life? The other one is kill
Is kill. Yep. So I have to pick do and kill. Yep. There's no Mary. That's insane. Is that a thing?
Is this like is this a game people? I've never heard of this really. Yeah, what what is this?
Do and kill Okay, Dan me and luke do
No, I can't well
Let me get my list
Oh my god, we heard of slash fiction Um, yeah, you wait you have you actually not heard of this. Oh, oh, oh fuck Mary kill. Yeah, okay
I recognize that I've never played that I've heard that I've heard that
I've heard those words together in that order before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense
Yeah I was trying to avoid
Saying the first one Because I because your mom watches my wall. Yeah, but my steam deck was behind my my laptop stream deck, but yes
That see I knew that was going to be a problem. It yeah for sure from day one. I was like for sure. This is going to be a problem
It was like kind of annoyed when they announced the name just because of that, but I mean
Makes sense. I don't know whatever Which one I don't even remember the options anymore. So hit me
Uh xbox or yeah, oh
Ah xbox Which one is it?
I don't know. Oh, what? Oh, you're gonna actually make me do this. No, I'm just messing we can do the xbox topic
I don't even know how to break that down. You know what? No, no, no, no. You know what? No, I'm gonna do it
I like it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. Okay. So let's weigh some pros and cons
EA Wouldn't treat me right, but it would support me financially with all of that FIFA money
Yeah Microsoft would also support you financially relationship micro
Yeah, no, because yeah, see that's the thing
The sub the no the topic is xbox So then xbox has a really really high chance of
Leaving you but I'd probably be happier with xbox while I while I was with it
You might not be with it for very long not because yeah, but
What a ride you might have a really fantastic relationship and then they just dump you for no reason
That's true. Well, even though you did really really great all of the time
We just spent all of our money buying other studios and now we need to lose some costs
So you just released a game and you won't release a game for a while or uh, you just uh
Did something nice and that means you won't do something nice for a while
So we're gonna break up with you on that subject by the way. Oh Linus laptop is apparently dead
On that subject, I don't know if you saw
Based lina con being like I can bring that up. I told you so
It's just lower in the dock Oh, is it cool. I got nice. There we go. Click it press button press. Oh, yeah, there you go. Yeah, just you know
being like, yeah, so remember when You know, Microsoft wanted to buy Activision Blizzard and I was all like this will lead to
higher prices and and layoffs
well Yeah, uh, I told you so. So here's a plot of Netflix's price increases over the same period of time
and um game passes price increases
And uh, how they were kind of tracking somewhat, you know, ish like kind of like they would and then there was a massive change
And oh by the way that line right there Um, almost exactly one year after acquisition
Yes Cool. So yeah, and that's on top of the
like Exodus of well, I shouldn't say exodus because exodus is our exodi are voluntary
Um, yeah, yeah, so this is this is after Microsoft has closed studios laid off staff
And of course because she's she's too based to say I told you so she didn't actually say that she just kind of like drew the whole situation out
Yeah Yeah
I've said this before but um
Lena come to canada come be our prime minister
I'd be okay with it. That'd be great. We'd be super down. I vote for you. I'd campaign for you
She has I would too. She has just such
She's a shining beacon of well
obviously common sense In a world that has a severe lack great of the aforementioned
Well, f***ing obviously common sense. Yeah
I'm married already, but I'd have your babies
I love there was uh, there was someone who asked grok under her tweet to
Uh, figure out the inflation Yeah, and cost of power increases over the same period as if those wouldn't have also affected netflix. Yeah, that was awesome
I really it is amazing thought that was fantastic watching people
twist themselves Into logic pretzels. No, I need to be abused as a consumer
Trying more of my money trying to shield trying to shield
Multi in some cases, you know companies with trillion dollar valuations from from being criticized. It's it
Why do you just love the taste of leather?
It's not leather that tastes like that. It's the dye
It's not healthy. It's not good for you. Oh kills brain cells
Okay It's like it's like licking the boot is not enough. We have to fillet it. Yeah
Which is difficult, but they try really hard so some of them accomplish
Anyway, uh, i'm gonna go ea because at least it can support me financially and it'll it'll be around
I mean, what's the worst thing it ever did kill a couple journalists?
It might oh, can I go there? Oh
So, why don't we get into the topic do you want to read through the doc?
Xbox might be dying and it's doing it. Oh, no, we're doing ea. Oh, okay. Never mind. Uh
Ea you we can't I can't say that and then we not give them the context
Yeah, good
Ea going private in largest private equity buyout ever on september 29th ea announced that they have been acquired by
piff pif silver lake and affinity partners for 55
Billion dollars silver lake partners is managed by jared kushner
Donald trump's son-in-law and pif is a saudi arabia fund that which already had a roughly
9.9 stake in ea But also has many other video game investments such as a minority share in nintendo. I did know about that
Each shareholder will be receiving two hundred and ten dollars per share
Roughly 40 dollars more than the trading price the day before the deal was announced
And many people and gaming journalists showed concern for this deal given that both the history of pif
and jared kushner's relationship with One with one journalist christopher
drink Writing in quotes the numbers just don't add up the offer almost values ea at 20 times its annual cash flow
There's clearly something more at play and then end quote or wait
No, this is just a really long quote This deal is about saudi arabia
This is about using the cultural power of games to shift its reputation and perception both locally and internationally
This is about building up a game development industry within that country
And it's about the saudi's history with the trump administration and in particular jared kushner
Ultimately, this is about powerful men and regimes using our industry for political and economic gain
So that's attributed to christopher dring. That was all a quote from the numbers just doing it up. Yeah
Next bullet point no longer quote How will this affect the company's day-to-day operations will remain to be seen?
immediate changes to your job team or daily work as a result of this transaction
This partnership gives us the ability to move faster and unlock new opportunities on a global stage
Discussion question for years the online meme or default has been to hate on ea for a lot of their practices in the game industry
Whether it's effective sorry aggressive microtransactions or just boring repetitive titles like their sports games
theoretically Is a private buyout the solution of this since the new owners are no longer legally bound to improve shareholder value
As a private company and instead could maybe do what the players want
I mean if that were the case then every private equity buyout would be good. Ah
So argument already in shambles. No
I mean Public shareholders you have a fiduciary responsibility to a private shareholder as well
The only difference is that it's going to be dictated by whatever private agreement you signed with them rather than
Whatever public agreement you have with them. It's okay. If they get too much backlash over this
They'll just buy a bunch more celebrities and it'll be all right. Yeah. Have you seen what's going on in comedy? Oh, yeah
Right now. It's uh, that sucks. It's been pretty it's been pretty fascinating to watch people's
principle distances Um fold in half
Yeah
I don't need that much money, bro
You know You don't know that I'm just I'm just saying I can't speak for I can't speak for all of them. Would you sell to the Saudi government? No
What's your what would your okay, but I don't probably but what would the line be but I don't need the money
So that's what I'm saying. Is there a line though? Hold on. Hold on. I want to finish that point first
Okay, so the point before was they don't need the money right and what I said was you don't know
I was talking about a particular one. Okay. I don't I don't I'm not talking about anyone in particular
I know there are multiple ones that have taken very principled stances in the past. Yeah, and that clearly for whom
Free speech and the things that they supposedly stand for were not as important as this payday
I do not I cannot say definitively that every single one of them doesn't need this bag
That's all I'm saying As for me, would I sell to the Saudis? No
I I don't I don't I don't think there's all you had to do is like hey the crown prince is like a super cool dude
He's pretty awesome. I like hanging out with him. I wish I could spend more time with him I've been invited to Saudi Arabia and Dubai on
Probably more than a dozen occasions over the years
You didn't know that because I've never gone
But what if it was like a billion dollars? Um
It wouldn't be but what if it was yeah, I
This is this is about to go to a very different place. We don't have to no no no that's fine
It's no different place. I didn't say a bad place. Okay, but I don't know if you noticed
But we uploaded a compilation video of scrapyard wars 10 yesterday. Yeah, um, I don't I don't know if you if you checked on it
But over a span of the first four hours it got 15,000 views
Which is you know, you know that whole LTT really fell off
meme You know where people will be like What only a hundred views in 10 seconds LTT fell off like actually felt like that
um Well, I I had to think about
What that would mean right if if all of a sudden
That tanked our channel momentum to the point where every video
was gonna get you know 20 to 30,000 views
um I had to think about what that would mean right and there was a really cool comment on one of the uh,
I think it was either on the ztt video or it was on reddit. I can't remember where I saw it, but
Um, basically ztt. Was it tightening?
So mario zax tectur. See oh, I use z and z interchangeably. I don't really care. Whatever flows better
I do the same thing. I was just I was just razzing me um
So, oh, what was I saying? Really you derailed me for that. You know what I had it coming. Um
You probably owe me a few of those Oh, yeah, I saw a really cool comment that basically said something along the lines of
If Linus's legacy at the end of all of this
Is a bunch of offshoot channels
Doing really incredible work having cut their teeth at Linus media group
And creator warehouse and Floatplane and who go out and go forth
And create incredible content and products and technology
For years to come, you know long after he retires
Well, that'd be pretty cool with technically at its root
Your goal was to start little fires, right? I mean, yeah, that was that's how I've always described it
It's a pretty crazy version of that it is it's not a way that I had necessarily
Thought about it as much before but I mean
It's cool though one of the one of the nuggets of wisdom that has stuck with me from the owner at ncix was from when I
When I submitted my resignation and he could try to talk me out of it a little bit
But once he figured out that I had made up my mind
He basically said okay. Well, let's figure out how to do this
And I was like, oh, that that was it and he's like, well, nobody works at the same place forever
And I just I was like, oh, yeah I can't of course not
Like of course I wasn't going to work here forever ncix is totally do
Yeah, ncix entire cultures japan that are like very largely based around that not here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not here
Yeah, um, and and I mean ncix itself had only existed since I think 1996 or something like that like or 94
I can't remember exactly what year it started but like And ncix was a relatively young company when I when I left it in in 2012
Like it had only been around for 15 years Like why would I assume that I was gonna a 15 year old company or 18 year old company or whatever it was
I was going to work there for 65 years like that's not
That's not realistic. That's not a reasonable Assault or until I was 65. Excuse me. That's not a reasonable assumption, right?
and so it was something that I've that I you know, I
I valued keeping the same team around
I've always been like try to keep the band together
kind of kind of person I mean, you know that right?
But I also recognized that that wasn't going to be possible forever and the best case scenario
was that People would was that Linus media group would look really amazing on a resume
and I wanted that Obviously if people are really great like I'd rather they work here, but if it could just be an amazing
like like centerpiece of your job history
Well, that's pretty cool too
At this point, it's the only part of mine that matters at all
Yeah, what else would you have like picking blueberries and like cutting lawns like honestly that was part of this
I can play I know it's like line items Ah
What did I do I thought should just be my only two line items. What did I do when I worked here? I picked liberation mode
No, I think I'm trying to remember technically NSAX
Before then was self-employed before then would have been bread factory. Nice. So like
Okay, before bread factory would be more self-employment, but also geek squad. So like dude
I don't know. What's the point sometimes? I will get resumes from people
that have like Quite a few years of like their career and then also like yeah, I worked at like
McDonald's and Best Buy and it's like
I don't think I needed to know all the way back. I don't I don't like I don't I don't know
There's so many different opinions on how resumes should be made. I try not to judge too many of the small decisions, but like
Yeah, I don't know It doesn't mean anything to me at that point
Coming back to what we were actually talking about which was, you know, where I was going
Up one of the places that my mind went seeing that performance on the channel was
Okay, what if this is it? Right, because really for the scrapper doors. They always do really bad. I'll thought not that bad
But this is also one that everybody just saw not even close to that bad and they just watched this one
Well, it's not happening in a vacuum though. We we had our lowest day for viewership in years
Like three days ago Uh, we are about to have our lowest day for viewer our lowest month for viewership in probably about five or six years
This year So whether whether you want to point at I don't I don't think it's all viewpocalypse, right?
So whether you want to point at, you know, an aging out or interesting out
audience or whether you want to point at sort of my various
Controversies or hot takes or, you know, whatever over the years. I think there's a I think there's a natural
Decay in interest in a public figure or in a band or in a tv show any form of media
That takes place. I don't think anything can be popular forever
And so I've I've been telling myself since the very very beginning some day
My son will set right it will happen Yeah, and and so, you know, there have been various times over the years
And you know because you've had a front row seat for all of it that I've sat there and I've gone
Okay, maybe this is it This could be it the same thing
And hold on because I'm still I still need to answer your question. Sure. I'm getting there. I promise
and so When I thought about that, right?
Like I have options I could I could still sell the asset
But when I was sitting there thinking about it just now and this is no guarantee of what my actions would or wouldn't be because it was just, you know
Dark thoughts at a dark time, right? I was like
no I think I I think the only viable
I think the only viable options would be to
bow out gracefully Rather than sell to pe
I don't I don't I don't think I would want to do that. I don't pull a jack sparrow
Ride the ship into the harbor just like as it sinks and and and the only
Like the the thing that bothered me most about that thought
was that our world-class team
Would have to update their resumes with Hopefully a really outstanding
Piece to put on it. Would you like part it out?
I mean we could this is a weird line of thinking to even go down at all, especially publicly, but like yeah
I mean, it's not impossible. Technically creator warehouse is a separate company from Floatplane, which is a separate company from Linus media group
I think those are the main ones. There might be some other companies that kind of do little things here and there at this point if you
Shut operations down shutting down Floatplane would hurt other creators, but tell me this
you know What what would be better for it? Let's take let's take it. Let's take a completely hypothetical, right?
Like what would be better for someone like a Colton and the team at business land
If we parted out their department and sold it
Or if we did a severance package that gives them a little kick in the ass and then they go and
Create an agency What would be better for them? Would it be viable for it to be an option? I have no idea
I have no idea If it's viable for it to be an option like each individual can either take a severance or or keep
Riding the wave and see where it goes Then I think that would be the way that I would like it to go
Leave it up to the employee and and I think it would have to be something that would be a conversation
Right because not everyone would feel the same way that you would to be very clear
Like it's uh, I don't actually think that this is the end and one of the one of the cool
Yeah, if there's any employees watching right now
I I was honestly very surprised when I saw that title come up as a newly published video
I was like really I didn't know right after Right after the season ended. I didn't know we were doing that. I'm not surprised. It's not getting views. Yeah, it's all good. But like just
Um, anyway, the point is don't don't don't freak out
Because we are still operating extremely sustainably. We have um
We're done a very good job. We're not one thing now of diversifying
Yeah, and sometime it's it's another group's turn to
Hold the ship together. Yep. And it's okay and and uh, and that doesn't mean that you know one
Group that is that that no one else is carrying any weight or anything like that
It just means that we are uh, we're a bigger machine which comes with the disadvantages of being a bigger machine
We're not as nimble as we used to be I think our brand has suffered a lot for being so transparent about the fact that
I'm not just a guy in his house making tech videos. I mean a lot of
A lot of youtubers whether you guys are aware of it or not or you think about it or you don't
Are enormous machines with lawyers and agents and employees and this has been really surprising to me
I've been having more and more conversations with creators over the last two years especially
And you don't know that because it's just them in front of the camera Look at all like they're just them in front of the camera one or two bit operations end up figuring out it's like 15
It's like whoa like where did that come from? So we've just been extremely transparent about it
But that doesn't mean that we are any different from necessarily any other youtube operation, right?
And some of them don't want that disclosed, which is why i'm not naming. Yeah. Well, yeah, right because and
It's a perspective thing to go back and do it again, right? Like it has clearly been not beneficial
To our brand and to my image for us to be a corporation and for us to put our employees
front and center right Like from a from a corporate standpoint. Was there any benefit to to the corporation?
To people gaining notoriety here and then
Taking that and going out and doing their own thing. No, of course not
Personally i'm happy to see people spread their wings
But from a corporate standpoint No from a corporate standpoint. It should all hyperfeed into of course Linus fame
It's exactly And and and boosting Linus's image like it's it's not it's not good for they're they're like our creators that will
Label work done by their employees. It's just theirs because that's their brand. I know this is totally a thing
I know and it's been it's been very
Very fascinating to watch
To watch the way that that my image has sort of
Been morphed over the years because i'm not perfect. I make lots and lots and lots of mistakes. Yeah, see exactly, right?
Um, I make I make tons of mistakes Uh, but some of the things that I have done over the years were done with
A very high degree of intention like one of the things that I do when I co-host with people is I make myself
the foil the clown the one who asks the silly questions or or
Pretends that I don't understand it like when I was when I was shooting with Charles
Interview style stuff when I was shooting with Charles uh thugger
So we had the video that came out earlier this week chasing over clocking records
And then we had the one that came out before where we were looking at the uh his subzero chiller that we purchased off of him
Um, he he hasn't worked with me very much, especially not on camera
And so what kept happening when we were making the video on the chiller is I would ask him a question
And then he would explain it And then I would have him I'd have him do another take and I'd ask him again
He'd be like I just explain this to you. I'm like no, no, it's just for the camera. Like I understand it
And he was like oh But apparently I was so convincing in pretending that I didn't know what he was talking about in order to get
In order to get him to be the one to explain it. It's his baby, right? He built it
And so to me I feel like he should have a chance to explain it
um, and it's it's just been it's been it's been fascinating to uh
To watch the way that that has been sort of turned into that I'm all about me 100 all the time
Observing your own fame or something. Yeah. I don't know like
Oh, yeah, I remember where where I wanted to go with this
um I've been trying to figure out what it is that makes this podcast or what live stream
Whatever you want to call it tolerable to anyone because do you even remember where we started here?
Yeah Well, sort of would I take the Saudi money? Yeah, right?
So, you know how everyone who works here like has a dd
Yeah, you think all the viewers do I think they must
It's the only way any of this could make any sense so that they can come with us
Because I'm trying to I'm trying to imagine someone in their car, right?
Like they're they're driving they're on a road trip somewhere and they're trying to listen to this bull
I follow along with it. It's just like Dan hit them with a pole. You got to hit them with a pole now
I do I do think that makes sense because I was at an event earlier this week
I suspect you guys all have exactly the same problem as me, which is why you don't even realize that it's a problem
Yeah, I was at an event earlier this week and I tangented before I really started a proper sentence like four or five times
And I paused and apologized and both people like physically recoiled from the apology and we're like don't worry
We both have 80 d. It's fine. We were following you. I was like, oh, okay
Never mind. We're good Lordy, yeah, okay, so we're sitting at around 69% nice nice
nice
Uh, yeah, uh jura soul in Floatplane chat says we are ad d borg resistances. Oh butterfly
Um, what was that? Oh, I was gonna say something about uh, oh, right. Yeah the diversification
Uh, we really appreciate our float goats by the way along with the the people who support us through
What float goats is crazy. That's new, isn't it?
I don't think I've heard float goats. That's not new
Have you heard that before yikes? No, I have not. Yeah, I mean, what's wrong with float goats?
That's messed up dude to describe the floating subscribers
Float floating. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
They have really good well, they don't they don't fly but boy Do they ever like they sit on the top of the water like the greatest of all time
Is it very nice when they're floating? I think so. Why am I missing something here? Is this good?
Is this sexual? Yeah, dude, what goat greatest of all time? What rhymes with goat for sure
Mote float and what runs with float?
No, not goat. Yeah, runs with float rungen got it float
Do you actually not get this note? Do you actually not get this coat? Are you getting better at acting?
I actually have no idea what you're talking about. Okay. Okay float
The other people this is extremely ADHD
Eote float goat
C, G, Hote I
Iote J, Jote K, Coat
L, Loat M, Moat N, Note
O, Oat P, Poat
Q, Quote R, Roat S, Soat
T, Toat It's so close
Toat
What's another T one?
Pick a pick a different T one
I was 100% convinced he was just gonna say it and then get it
And then he said toat Oh, float
There you go Good, good job
You completely bore inside of me with the toat
Worst joke I didn't see toat coming at all It's a word
What do you want from me? For sure, you're right. I just didn't see it coming
Carry around a little Spring it with you
Throat goat Ridiculous
What were we talking about ADHD? I think you were talking about ADHD
We were coming off of the back of the I was thanking our float
Goats I have a list but it's a disability. You can't make fun of me for it. It's a protected class. All right
Our float goats
Stop Our supporters on Floatplane. Are you happy? Yeah. All right
Okay, so I was thanking our supporters on throat plane
I'm just bugging them at this point
For helping make us more resilient against any kind of interruptions in our in our business
I think you guys might have seen not that long ago when we did the how does LMG make money video that adds
Sense is like less than 10 of our revenue now. So we are a lot less susceptible to
Momentary changes in momentum on the channel, but we do have to figure out how to get viewership. It's a throat plane
That's actually pretty cool Was that the one that was made for that car that was like manufactured across the atlantic or whatever?
Is that the special one plane that carries planes? Oh, no, that's a different one. Yeah
um I don't actually remember what it's called, but c5 galaxy. Yeah, that's okay
um Anyway, if anyone else wants to subscribe on Floatplane, that's cool
But we do have to we do have to figure out the viewership thing and I think the tech house
I think that doing some some bigger
serialized content Is going to be a huge part of getting getting back to the way things were and also
I want to do some more back to basic stuff. Me too. So plume. I want that to happen when pluf came to whale land
He didn't want to haul his like giant alien wear And as someone who owns a display, he doesn't mind purchasing a display
So he just went to Best Buy and was like, okay, what is the minimum viable monitor?
And you got a 1080p. I want to say it was 23 or 24 inch IPS for 70 dollars
So we're just gonna we're just gonna like make a video about it
It's like actually that's not that's not a bad title Dan Can you send that to pluf a minimum viable product or like minimum viable monitor?
Are like, uh, maybe maybe that can be a series really. Yeah. Yeah, I think we could have like I yeah
series, let's just call it minimum viable product So gaming monitor minimum viable product episode one or something like that buying it
buying the buying the Bare minimum gaming monitor minimum viable product or like something along those lines
I think we could make minimum viable product a series. So mdp is it's more of like a software term
um for like your The the the basic sort of spec that you think is is shippable
Um, but I guess I guess you could also use it in hardware. It's used in a variety of spaces in the hardware space as well
But uh, yeah, oh dude. I love it. I like it because
You know, financial times are so tough and it's financial times are tough
But it's hard to get people to watch content about cheap things. I I know
Which is a very frustrating combination people get so mad at you for making videos about expensive stuff
I'm like, bro. That's all you watch the cheap things But if you can make it interesting, yeah, like we do as scriper at wars and hopefully with minimum viable product
Minimum viable purchase is pretty good too. That's not bad. Um, so that's from
That's not bad or may or something whatever. I'm not even gonna try to pronounce that either one of those works
Yeah, so yeah, I think that's pretty cool. I uh, I want well, see here's the thing
So pug boy 1321 says as a poor people. I love seeing budget friendly stuff
Okay, but that's the problem. We're a product focused channel and so
How do I put this gently? um
Regardless of the cost of the item um
A lot of people undergoing financial hardship are simply not shopping for anything
So that affiliates are lower and so making I'm not even talking about that. I'm just talking sure views
Somehow I see you know the whole k-shaped that's interesting the k-shaped recovery thing
Like it is actually it is more I was reading yesterday that the 20 percent of the luxury goods market is apparently the top
1% of earners So when you think about that you think about like the pc industry or whatever
Like your top if you expand that top 1% you expand it to 10 percent
I think it's something like 50 percent of all purchases So you are actually better off making a video about a 50 70 ti or a 50 80
Sorry compared to making a video about on-board graphics because if you think about when we were there
Yeah, we were scrapyard warzing. Yeah, we're buying used. So we're not in the all my stuff second hand back then
The new stuff was for like other people's builds Yeah
And then that stuff was for me to buy one generation later at a steeply discounted price because apparently these people don't care about money
Yeah, like I still remember you know you you build in a case and you get them to upgrade their fans
And then the case the fans that came with the case are yours now I still remember the guy that I bought my sli 70
70 800 gtx's from
Because he was selling them that would be sick if you could figure who the heck that was because he was going crossfire x 1900
or x x 1950 x tx's or something like that
and I was like so
You know not to be rude or anything, but like a non-tech did I had to head of these and
Like the one that you're upgrading to is worse and he was literally like I just want to try it
And like when I'm done with it and video will probably have something new and I'll just move to that anyway
And I was like That's crazy
Sick thanks for the card see uh Do you do you need a young boy to do anything for you?
What is that was that was that what did you call the the full face subscribers?
I
Got dead I heard
I don't know if his mic was unmuted, but I got dead pretty good
Um, sure did he where?
Did he get off yet? I mean he got off a lot of times, but like
He's just trying to get his he's trying to get his sentence reduced people talking about pardons. Is he really?
Yeah, I don't know. You know what let's not talk about Shawn. Did he cooms comes?
I don't know how to pronounce his name Is it c o mbs?
Comey comies like a communist. I don't know
Are you not know any of these terms? I know comey
He just misheard me. Yeah, sure. Okay. Oh man. Wow comies
Is that a thing so these are gonna just end up as a soundboard
You're trading the ai saying these words. No wonder you didn't know what a hard hour was
What am I missing here?
I can't explain this minus gas light tips. I don't know why I do that
Is it sexual? Yes It's a cutesy term for the whole word minus all of the letters past the first three
What like semen? Yeah, well, you can't just say that you could just say that what do you mean?
It's not cute. That's not cute. It's not cute Please mr. May I have some of your same coming? That's not adorable. No, what is wrong with you?
All right Next see if I were to try to define comies
I would think it's something more along the lines of like congealed
semen in the shape of like little bears They're like
They're like the fruit snacks we buy Those ones
That's that's clever
Oh My god, do we do sponsors now?
Yeah, we just put this in a jar for later Oh
Okay, we need something
Speaking of for no, let's not talk about that right now. Okay
Go find an actual topic for crying out loud Whale land
No, no, no one of the topics the writer's prepared. So we get through some of them. Okay, sure
We're supposed to do this. EW and google and apple cracked. Yeah, but we need we need
Do one of them at ADHD awareness month liners, dude
The sponsors are probably only going to watch their section So we just need all of that to be far enough away from it that they don't accidentally click on it
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah google and apple cracked down on
Timestamps guy by the way, no key. Do not prank me in here. We go. Here we go
By the way, a lot of people don't realize that we pay timestamp guy
Like I see I've seen a bunch of comments lately that we're like
Cheap fucking Or whatever because we don't pay for timestamps. You guys know we've paid timestamp guy for like years, right?
Like he's not a random Like do people not
Like man, it is amazing the kind of stuff people assume about us. Anyway carry on
So I was just reminded because I've needed to talk to I needed to talk to timestamp guy
I have a story just for you
Lead float goat, uh, there's pixel pixel users will be able to flip their nav option soon
Maybe
Maybe Android 16 qpr 2 beta 2
What a what a name what a name? Release revealed a new page coming to your navigation settings to adjust your button order
According to Android authority, it will be accessible through a settings cog icon next to the three button navigation option in your settings
I'm assuming it's exactly what you'd expect It allows you to swap the back and the recent buttons in the ui
There's no further customization beyond that. Okay. That's all I wanted probably all that was needed
It's exactly what has already existed in skins from the likes of samsung xiaomi 1 plus freaking
I think I think vivo has it. What are some of the other chinese brands? I can't remember the point is this is like
totally been a thing for like 10 years
Ever since we moved off of physical buttons into on-screen buttons and I love it because yes, I understand that you like gestures better
I don't I often find that when I'm swiping through a carousel for instance, or if I am
Poking at something on like a desktop
A desktop web page or whatever that it's you can accidentally trigger the the back gesture from either the left or the right on Android
I don't prefer it I like having the back button right here
I like being able to double tap the um the task view button to switch to my last app rather than drag up
Wait Move over and touch or drag up weight and touch. Um, I am so excited
Because Not that I want to run a pixel. Um
I want to go xperia and
Sony has publicly stated that they stick pretty close to
Stock Android whatever the f*** that means these days and have no plans to implement it as part of their skin
But this might mean that they might get it
I'm gonna have a headphone jack. I'm gonna have like a cool sexy sony headphone jack. Yeah, they still have phones with headphone jacks and nice amps in them
Dude, I don't even have to care that AirPods Pro 3 suck anymore
This is so cool I'm so excited right now. They're really nice
They're really He's intrigued now. He might buy something
You can have my old one next gen me down for luke
I mean, I'm pretty down with that Next gen is probably when I would be upgrading so like around this time next year now to be clear
This setting is not even live yet. This isn't a guarantee
Android authority had to tinker to enable it and believes the feature
Will only appear in december's public release if it's also available in the next beta release
Um, but like seriously this is an obstacle for me
And what's really frustrating is you used to be able to just do this with third-party launchers
Even on phones that didn't have built-in support for it
But google locked that down during like launcher lockdown gait a thousand years ago when they had far less control over
Customizing the navigation of the system. So it's just been this there's just been this desert of wow
What a stupid problem for us to even have can we just fix it because literally your largest handset oem
Puts the back button on the right. So literally anybody coming from a samsung is going if they didn't change the setting
Is going to be used to that. So just make it an option
like for years Many of the phones that I would switch to and that I would review would even have it as part of the setup wizard
When you set up your phone, they would prompt you. Hey, where do you want these?
Just so just do it. It's how many lines of code is this for real though
Just move this button there and move this one there interchange them like honestly they
If Corsair and Elgato can have configurable buttons on a stream deck, you do not have an excuse
I want to see something a little bit wack. I'd love to I tried to look up Xperia phones
wikipedia is the first Well, yeah, I mean they're not in this market. They never have. Yeah, that's still like and I
Whether Dan was referring to their market share or their marketing. He's right
Uh, yeah, correct So can you even buy them here? I don't know, but I'll find one. I'll find a way
I'll get one. I import them. The newer models have a us variant, but
The rest of them are like I buy the china ones because they have
Like the hong kong variant has unlock bootloader. So you can really like put whatever you want on it
That makes sense because it's not SD card physical sim headphone jack
Um, mine's got like Zeiss lenses physical zoom the camera bumps not that bad
They have cool features that go along with their cameras too
Like you can use them as viewfinders and stuff. Some of them like HDR
If you have a playstation, you can use it as a wireless screen that attaches to the top of your controller
It's like kind of bonkers This model that I have here has the highest ppi of any phone
at 600 and Okay, that's 30. I actually do not support these ridiculous. They downgraded the display in the later model
You should have but I'm upset because this one's 21 by 9 and the new ones are a slightly different aspect ratio
It has no notch and no hole punch. Yep, which is another reason why I like them. I'm so excited
I'm just gonna I'm gonna immediately go sony as soon as I can get a skin that has the button on the right
I and it's not even because I couldn't just use gestures on the sony
But I I said and I am a man of my word
I said that I want them to fix it and I will use an xperia phone when they fix it
So in much the same way that I told plex. Hey fix your fix your s***
And then we will be able to work together and as you know and promote your stuff again
Um, and we won't do it until they do same thing
Yeah customizable is good. I support you It's surprising how hard it is to even find any information on these ones. Oh, yeah
Yeah, they don't bother. Um, they've often before just been like, hey, we're gonna release a new phone in like eight months
And then no one cares Whereas samsung like new phone coming next week high train and sony's just like we're gonna release the next phone
It looks exactly like the old phone, but it's it has an indecipherable name
It is slightly better like every other phone. We don't care
Uh, we will sell 20 and they will be the best phone. I don't I've did whatever
That's so weird. It's waterproof and it has dual sim sd card. It has two less sim removal
They were the first to do waterproof, weren't they? I have no idea. I believe so. Was it the xperia?
Was it the xperia one being a thing if they weren't the first they were close
Yeah, they were they were very early on the whole waterproof phone actually proof, obviously
The xperia z Yeah, because I think I did a video
I don't know how credible tnt magazine.com is I mean, this isn't even grammatically correct, but sony announced
I seem to recall that there was a there was a display that they had at ces where
They had the phone submerged in water and the screen was on or something like yeah this
This this thing I saw this
Yeah, remember this. Did you see this? Yeah
This was this was like that was nuts back then dude that was crazy
Yeah, this this blew people's minds back and the fact that they made it so that you hold the button to do it
Yeah, was like such a what a flex good sigh off what a flex
Yeah, all right Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? We could do a couple merch messages and the cw announcement which one goes first
Don't don't tell me more than one thing just tell me one thing because otherwise
I don't even know any of the things you said cw announcements. Yes, sir
Got an everyday carry. How about we make that an everything carry
This weekend starting now you can get our cargo pants for just 99 dollars and 99 cents on both our u.s
and global site shop now at LMG.gg slash cargo pants. They've been extremely well received
Almost too perfect says willy b smart design cozy and
Unitarian do you mean utilitarian?
What the heck is unitarian?
now i'm Unitarianism a liberal religious tradition that affirms the unity of god rather than the christian trinity
And emphasizes individual freedom of belief compassion and social justice my aunt is a unitarian minister. Oh really?
I don't think that's what they meant for the pants probably not i'm assuming
Yeah, i'm thinking probably not Anyway, the point is that um, oh here we go. Uh chase r says great work pants. I'm a controls engineer
These pants are great for the job site. Yeah great pants. So
Get yourself some get yourself some cargo pants for 99 99 on both the us and global site
But that's not all if you buy a precision screwdriver and bitcase bundle
We'll throw in an end cap set for free So that's the the alternate ends for the top of the precision screwdriver that are either
Divided so if you prefer to put your thumb on the top when you're using it
Or round it at the top if you're more of like a cupper and then we have a different color a black one of the flat one
All you have to do is add both a precision screwdriver and a bitcase bundle to your cart
And also the end cap set I think and the discount will automatically apply on checkout LMG.gg
Slash precision bundle
Precision screwdriver and bitcase so you add that there and then we have the information on the bundle there
So that'll be a great way for you guys to send a merch message to the show if you are new to the show
Merch messages are the way that we do interaction if you're gonna have to throw your money at the screen to interact with a live stream
You know like people do then you might as well do it in a way
They get to high quality merchandise in the mail in a little while rather than just
Throwing it out there and hoping for the best at least that's the way we see it
So all you got to do to send a merch message is add one of those terrific items to your cart
And you will see this interface Merch messages you can show your first name and last name you can make it anonymous
Either way is good. You can pick a color. Look at that color changing thing that incredible great job
Wow You can type a message and then it will go to producer Dan who will
I don't know he'll do something he'll reply to it or he'll forward it or he'll curate it
And curated ones go a little something like this Dan hit me with a merge message. Absolutely. We've got a few in already
Hey that we do with those deals. Hey dll Quarter whale vip here. I guess that's one of four whale vip here
That makes a lot more sense than a quarter of one of them. Oh, no, they could have gone in bulk deal
Uh You can have I wore more like they could be in four pieces, but they probably wouldn't be typing anything at that point
I mean hand and is one of the four
Yeah, but that wouldn't be a quarter of them by mass truth
all legs But Linus, did you enjoy the whale land? Also the whales pulled off a complete win rematch. Oh
We got Alliterated what happened? There was a whales versus LMG staff you lost game
Well, I lost because it didn't happen till pretty late on the second day and no offense to my teammates
But I wasn't able to put together quite as stacked a team as I would have liked to
also I probably I probably have not including whale land
Three or four hours in FPS games over the last year like it just hasn't been what I've been playing
And they went and practiced throughout the land playing ut 2004
And challenged us to that game where practice is going to make a difference. Uh, yeah
Little bit. So we went on to unfamiliar PCs with in some cases unfamiliar peripherals
Nothing against kyle tinen and chase chase in particular is a very good gamer
But if I could have chosen I probably would have taken like natalie
Um, I probably still would have taken chase. No offense to kyle and tinen. They carried they were they did way better than me
I want to make this abundantly clear. But if I'm trying to put together a team of ringers
Like I I probably would have I probably would have taken I probably would have taken nat
I would have taken chase and then I'd have to figure out the last one. Who else is pretty good. I know david's really good
I don't know if he plays as much anymore though. So what's the game? Uh, ut 2004 it thomas
Was he there? Oh, he was I didn't know that thomas was like he's a gamer lead gamer. Yep
Okay, I'll have to keep that in mind. I don't think he was there anymore by that point
But anyway, yeah, okay, I might be down for a rematch But you gotta you gotta understand
I'm gonna stack the deck a little bit in my favor because if you guys are gonna go and pick a game that like they wouldn't play
Me and left for dead Which is also an FPS game but one where I would absolutely tune them no matter how much they trained
um So yeah, maybe yes, I did enjoy well land not in the ways that I was expecting to enjoy it
I actually had very little time to game. I played like
Three rounds of halo c e. I played
One round of left for dead. I played a few games of tape to tape and I think that and then I played the game against the
Whales and that was it over the span of two days But what I definitely enjoyed was seeing it all come together
I mean the project's been like years in the making the last time we did a land was ltx 23
A public one. Yeah. Yeah, or was it 22? Oh god. When was the last ltx 23 23? Yeah, there you go
So it's so it's been over two years and um and the space there were some
power issues We didn't let it know that there was going to be the the the giant display that we bought on or the computers on the stage
Uh until I think or the tape to tape area day or I think the vr area
Or the insanely power hungry vending machines. So I can explain what how okay, so the okay, so hold on
Give me a sec. Okay. So first of all The original plan was to line both sides with power
But then they came and told us a hey that exceeds the power budget for this transformer. You can't do that and we kind of went
Okay, fine. So we'll do we'll do all down this one side
We'll do the tables with the spider things this power boxes spider boxes coming out that side and then
We'll probably just need a couple on this side. Well, okay bad news
Um, we ended up having to move things around because some staff who didn't even bother to show up for the
Land complained about not being able to get a spot. So we created a staff area on that side
Um, that was a bunch of power that used up a bunch. I think I like populated it anyways
Yeah, anyway, the point is and I wanted to it was I had I was gone because of a work thing
I wasn't exactly gone because I wanted to be the point is that
We wouldn't have had that power budget to deal with if you hadn't demanded that we changed the layout of the thing
So I'm happy that we did we should do it next time too. We should so there was that
um, and then That used up probably what would have gone to the stage and then compounding this
This this vending machine company and oh, this is embarrassing. I actually forget
What they're called now, which really sucks because they were really fancy machines. Super cool about everything
Um, so they they do they do hot food
They do like mixed drinks not not like alcoholic beverages
um Oh, here we go. Here we go. I've got it. Uh, they're called
Uh g and a robot So they they posted on I guess this is tiktok. Yeah, they posted on tiktok me trying it and chatting with them about it
And then they also brought an ice cream machine. So. Oh, yeah, here's I don't see how you guys can't release this
But whatever there's the three fancy like very like Japanese feeling like high tech sort of asian feeling like vending machines
um And we've been in talks with them about having just not bothering with a concession at smash champs or at least not bothering for now
But having some options where we don't have to do the food safe certification. We don't have to do the um
The the license for it and all of that stuff having some options for people to get like hot food after after they play
Or have some different options for drinks. They do like coffees teas ice coffees
Fruit sugar drinks. Did they have a boba thing? No, not not at this time. I don't know if I don't know if that's something
I saw some art for it, but I wasn't sure and then they had this cool like ice cream machine
So like having those for the players would be super cool during tournaments during whale lands or even just day to day
And so they like pulled out all the stops to try to get these machines to us in time for whale land when they found out about it
So then we had to pull out all the stops and we didn't find out that jim who is the general manager for smash champs
Um, like organized it. We didn't find out till he told us and we were like, oh, no, where are we going to put these?
Oh my god, they need like 30 or 40 amps at 240 volt
How are we going to power these stupid things because we never accounted for having heavy power on that side?
So And then oh right there was supposed to be a retro
Area and so rove lab sent over a whole bunch of like couch segments. So they're those like modular
They they ship in a in a like Vacuum sealed box thing and they like expand and you can you can put together as many middle pieces you want
So you can kind of make furniture in any configuration you want
And they sent over a bunch of stuff that was supposed to be for like a retro gaming corner
So we had all these retro consoles and I think the plan was to have some displays
I don't know. I never saw any because I saw all the coaches and I went What about 5v5 tape to tape?
So then I went and I found like a projector and I went and got a computer from home like my old media center pc
I just brought it to the land We didn't have controllers So I just brought controllers from home to the land and then I spent a bunch of my time where I was supposed to be gaming
Just ripping out all the stuff for the ripping out all the stuff for the retro
Corner and creating a 5v5 like a 10 player
Roguelite hockey game thing with like a 120 inch projector screen and I actually for sound
We had something on a projector at the test land or like we wanted to do something on a project
Right, we wanted to play tape to tape at the test land the internal one. Remember?
Yes, and we ended up having to go upstairs to the player lounge. Yeah
I don't even know why because we didn't have sound Uh, so, uh, right luke actually helps me load the speakers
So for sound for the uh for the little like hockey game lounge
I actually used the audio solution from scrapyard wars
Because I don't know we're obviously not doing anything with it. It was just for scrapyard war
So I grabbed the receiver grabbed the speakers set it all up. It was sick. Yeah, it was freaking awesome. Yeah. Yeah, and I forgot
Damn good that epson ls 12 000 projector is man
What the only reason I'm not using it today is that the tcl x11 or whatever it's called the the 115 inch tv is it's better
But that epson projector man, what a what a great projector. Yeah, I think I mean, I think some of the problem there was also
Uh, I think it was like three notable internet outages
Talus went down for a period of time, which is like a very rare our switch and then the switch went down our core switch went down, which
To me is a little confusing given that it's like 100 gigabit like supposedly core switch or like whatever. Um,
I I hope we're running like beta firmware on it and I hope that we can
What the heck is that shut up tiktok? Why would you play automatically? No, I know why you would do that
But also just for doing that. Yeah, don't do that
Yeah, so we're we're looking into those things, uh, you know, we did a test run
But not with 250 big difference between a test run and now we have a stage and all these other things
And 250 people and everyone's hitting it differently and yada yada yada
Have you seen the oh, I'm gonna say this and then I'm not gonna have the numbers immediately available
Have you seen the data that went through the switches the ports?
Uh, you seen it. Yeah, you posted in our group chat. Did you see the power monitoring that aj set up? Yeah
Also, he's down. He posted a video idea. Oh, super cool. Okay. Well, we'll chat about that in that in that meeting
But um, well, he's looking that up. Uh aj who's uh, like an it infrastructure guy slash Floatplane slash
I mean, what does he not do at this point? Anyway been here forever. Once you're here forever, you wear a lot of
Yeah, so he set up power monitoring for the building and I was gonna come to sort of the the power situation
So what we found is that even though our our like outlets are at capacity
We were actually nowhere near the capacity of our transformer. So between the two of them
I think one is rated for a 400,000 watts and the other one is rated for 150,000 watts
And then I want to say our 250 or something and both of them were at like under half capacity
so Knowing that nothing we're going to connect to those california standard power outlets is actually going to draw
the full Amount I'm going to see if we can get an engineer to sign off on us putting some more drops in
So that we'll just have better flexibility in terms of our layout with the understanding that we just
Don't use it all and we use our power monitoring. Okay. What am I looking for 24 hour usage?
Wow Trying to figure out what happened there exactly. Well, uh, oh, okay
Anywhere between the lowest one I see is 1.39 terabytes
And the highest one I see is 5.4 terabytes. Were people torrenting at the land?
I don't know what's going on. AJ's here. So you might be able to answer
But my guess was that there was weird stuff going on with steam and like local sharing and stuff
And I know that makes sense. We did tell people to turn off local transfers
But well what we didn't tell them to turn it off What we said is that they won't get the benefit of our land cash
If they don't turn off local transfers, but I suspect local transfers is a default setting now
So probably most people without even realizing it were transferring game data off of each other on the network
Yeah, without realizing I suspect that was happening
Got it. I I don't know though. That was my just like knee jerk like okay. What was that?
Something happened Bourdaga in Floatplane chat says Linus. Why are you acting like it's crazy? You brought your rig to a land?
Isn't that the point hashtag you've changed? slash s
So the reason that I was notable that I brought my old media center pc to the land was I also brought my
Yeah machine. Yeah, it was amazing how many people saw my rig
And we're just like you brought your whole rack mount computer to a land and I was like, this is my computer
What do you want me to do? I just turned it on its side
Oh, dude, the setup was so jank because um
That's land I I only have two mobile PCs right now
So I brought my ally with the xg one xg mobile for one of my daughters
And then I brought my remaining working flow x13 laptop with my other xg mobile for my other daughter
Set them up for the ally. I just used like an external monitor
I pulled one of the ones that used to be in the gaming van We've consolidated down to just the one that flips up from the from the roof
Uh, so they were taken care of but then I didn't have a machine for my son
So I was like, oh, I guess I could just I could just drag his rack mount
Because I have an external water cooling box that has the same quick connect fittings that I use for whenever
I'm working on those machines on the bench So if I if I need to have them out of the rack for an extended period
I just have like a like a three by three 120 mil fan
external rad box to run them
But what I haven't gotten around to is replacing the
asinine stock power connector for it that is a four pin molex
Why would why would I want that? I mean, okay, I can think of why I'd want that
I would run it through a pc i slot and just have one of those pass throughs
And then I would like connect it to my power supply or something And then I'd put the rad box next to my computer
But like don't you think it's more likely that I would just plug it in to an external power?
Yeah, I hate that so much I I I can see the valid arguments for both ways the point is I want it to use an external power source
But I haven't gotten around to changing it yet, and I forgot to grab one of those little power
Sorry one of those little power brick to molex things that we have kicking around here
Yeah, so my solution was to rip my side panel open
And power his rad box off of my power supply
Which was only a not which was only a problem
When I aximidentally didn't have my computer on for a while because I forgot I did that
And his CPU overheated I had to do a usb BIOS flashback. Fortunately, the loop didn't blow up. Anyway, sorry. What were you gonna say?
I was gonna say, you know if anything having it be four pin molex makes
The conversion is kind of nice and easy. Yeah, I guess
also Corey is the name in full plane chat. This is a bit of a throwback but
Said my data consumption for microsoft flight sim 2024 is currently over two terabytes
Streaming the world is data intensive. Yeah fun fact my my
Brother his wife and I went in on a combo present and got my dad flight sim and and some controllers
Oh, that's cool. So a hotass set up for for christmas. You got your dad a hot ass for christmas
And your mom was in on it. Sometimes you got to do unconventional things weird family, dude, but carry on
I mean, look, I'm not judging whatever happens between consenting adults
Uh, a hands-on throttle mistake for people that don't understand what's happening. Hotas. Hotas hands-on throttle mistake
You can't spell hotas without ho and ass
um anyways, uh
They had to upgrade their internet connection Oh, yeah, not even kidding. It would like bring the network down. Yeah, that makes sense
crazy Like what the heck?
Yeah, no that that that actually does make sense
I don't like that they were they were talking to me about it and and
He was talking about how like they called their isp
I'm pretty sure it was telus and the the person on the other end was like, okay. What are you
Doing when this happens or whatever and my my dad told me he's playing the game and the guy on the other end was like
Oh, yeah, it's the game But didn't like really explain it too much. Maybe he did. I wasn't on the call
And then my dad tells me like, oh, it's it's the game that i'm playing my brain's just like come on man. No
Yeah, like you can play games on like hot spots
Like you can mobile hotspot your phone and like well won't even touch your data like this doesn't matter
Like you can play multi you could play counter strike. Yep
Mobile hotspot and you won't even notice. Oh, yeah, I wouldn't because I mean
Counter strike is just walk down a hallway and then die simulator for me. Yeah, it's gonna suck, but you could yeah
And then so I'm just assuming this like tell us guys nuts and then I start looking things up and I'm like
Not only does it use a lot of data uses a lot of data at a time like the throughput is crazy
um, so yeah, they had to they had to
It's such like an annoying gift Here's the game and like the an awesome set of peripherals to play with by the way
Upgrade your subscription service Yeah, now every month you're gonna be paying more for this. Yeah
Oh Here's a puppy says boston. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it felt like one of those also by the way inconvenient
I got you inconvenience. Well, not only that but I just and a financial burden
I made a bad assumption as well When when working on this idea
Um, because the racing sim world like the racing sim upstairs. Yeah, you just okay
Go in I have this controller. It'll set up a profile for you by default flight. Yeah, come on. There's nothing. No
Why because you have to be an enthusiast to
Play this my thing is okay. Don't have any default profiles. That's fine. Let me load them
Let the community offer them up and let me load them because now there's these like way
Intensely detailed guides On how to set it up, but there's so much to do that it like
Is so it would genuinely be easier for people to just export their settings and let you import them
Then writing all these crazy guides on how to do it like
Come on. No key in chat says, uh, wait, I blanked out for the last 18 minutes. They're still in the first merge message
Is this even a merge? They're only getting one hit us with an oh, is that okay? Is that it?
I didn't even know this was a merge message. We are like three behind. Maybe we should do a sponsor
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All right, what are we supposed to be doing Dan?
You're in charge. Hmm. P charge. Hmm
Let's do another topic. I need to complain about more things on wyncho. You do you do. Yep. Is that possible? Yeah
I don't know Are you talking about something specific? Hobbes like
potentially immediately solved my problem There's like something you can just buy and it can import profiles for you
Oh, it's stupid that it's not built into the game. This should really be built into the game
Microsoft figure yourself out But also like that's a tall order these days. Yeah, it really is with what developers will maybe doing that
With what studios they haven't closed will they be doing that?
Vibe code me a profile importer. Oh my god, it'll get like 25 of it. Correct
Anywho You want to pick one? Oh, why don't we never be able to update it speaking of developers? Let's do xbox may be dying
And it's doing it to itself. Yeah, good timing. Microsoft announced this week
They are raising the price of game pass ultimate by 50% in the us and some other markets causing a rush of angry
Cancelation so large that the xbox website apparently crashed multiple times
This $10 price increase comes two days after xbox president sarah bond said that game pass was already profitable
Microsoft tried to soften the sticker shock by presenting this change as an upgrade that adds ubisoft classics
fortnite crew as well as a promise to have
75 plus day one games per year
This comes the same week that xbox's hardware's
Oh as xbox hardware's second price hike in less than a year a month after costco removed all xbox items from their stores
And a few months after another round of closures and mass layoffs across xbox studios
Combined with the recent release of some iconic xbox exclusives on playstation
xbox devotees are beginning to feel as though microsoft's xbox hardware division may be in a bit of a death spiral
but Not all is lost x bros
Although revenue from hardware sales was down 22 percent year over year in the quarter ending june
2025 microsoft chairman and ceo satan adela said
Game pass annual revenue was nearly five billion
dollars for the first time With 37 million active subscribers as of july 2025 microsoft may be relying more and more on that service
To drag the entire xbox division into the green
Which is the gaming lamb landscape to which pre-orders of the new rog xbox ally and ally x opened at a price of
600 us dollars for the one that has a CPU that's like five years old at this point
Okay, I don't think it's actually quite five years old. Okay. How old is the the how old is zen to?
zen to release year
Oh Okay, cool
zen to launched in 2019 if anything. I was uh
I was being charitable cool, so uh
And a thousand us dollars for the one that actually has like a modern new CPU in it
whoo I was talking to david about this who is actually the one who prepped this topic and or was it talking to ploof about it?
I don't know. I was talking to one of them. They look so similar um
I was talking to someone from the writing department about this and they were basically making the argument that the
rg xbox ally and rg xbox ally x are going to be successful products
Um, but the price is going to be a significant impediment and I don't know man. I I gotta say I think
I haven't Played on it yet as you guys may or may not have noticed
There's one sitting here
That arrived minutes before the show, so I haven't even genuinely haven't even touched it again. Well, no since the event
It was here for like an hour and a half. Okay. Well, I wasn't yeah the point is
that
I'm saying all of this before I've actually like
Given it a fair shot yet but
What's happening here is sort of regardless of the price of the of the various allies and their xboxes
related sort of collab products
It's a huge it's a fundamental shift in the hardware
model of xbox Right instead of first-party hardware that is subsidized by a built-in game store
collecting 30 from every developer who sells a game through it, which is
What this is up against in the form of the steam deck which by the way is on like mega sale right now and is an insane value
It really is This Is relying on third-party partners who have to make their margin on the product
And as far as I am aware although this may not be the case as far as I'm aware
Microsoft has not engaged in the same kind of profit sharing that has driven like the mobile industry for instance to
Sell hence so so like like mobile kiosks and and mobile stores selling
Plans and selling hardware and then getting a long-term kickback
So there doesn't appear to be a similar system in place to help subsidize this hardware for Microsoft's partners
So I just don't really I don't really see How this can compete with a playstation 5 and a portal which is going to cost
You could get a playstation 5 pro and a portal for the cost of an rg xbox lax. This is a steam deck right now
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah
A steam deck that's actually costs
literally Like 27 percent as much as this it costs literally that is the lowest end model and that is the lcd model
Less than half of the ally the non x
Less than half That's what you're up against you're up against valve
Taking their 30 percent and using it to subsidize their hardware
You're up against sony being able to price a playstation 5 pro plus a portal
at less than your lix
That's a that's a tough position to be in I'm going to make sure I'm right about that ps5 pro msrp
What is it right now? I think it's uh, yeah 750 us dollars
And that's the pro the one that most people agree like don't really need
And then the portal is uh, I think it's 250 right
Hold on. I might be wrong about this. I'm gonna make sure I'm right about this
199 Oh, but has since yeah around 200. Yeah, there you go. So
Oh Good luck everyone
Well, we have a bunch of discussion questions. Oh, this is a spicy one is game pass still the best value in gaming at now
$30 a month It's oh man, see I but I have probably just an annoying take on this. I don't know. I don't know if
Sure, no when it wasn't because you don't own your games
I don't think it was a good value I don't think it is a good value. I don't think it was a good. Okay. Tell me this but I value owning my game
Sure, but retrospectively, right? Let just devil's advocate take I have actually never subscribed to game pass
I also just pay for games and a big part of that for me is that I can super duper afford
I can afford to which is a privilege And I think it's pretty cool that if I really like a game the developer gets all a bunch of that money
So that's not because I think game pass is a bad deal
I've I've made arguments on camera and I meant what I said that game pass has been at times an outstanding
Value for what it is. But so let me make that argument then what if over the last
Couple of years that you'd been paying 20 bucks a month for game pass you played through
So that would be I think it's uh, it's discounted if you buy it on a yearly basis
But let's let's say let's assume you paid monthly. So you've paid
$500 in game pass over a couple of years Let's say that you played through like 20 single player experiences. You don't plan to play again
Did you get a great value? What if dlcs come out for them? I mean, what if I do want to touch that game again for some reason and then
I cancel my subscription and I I can't get my save back because it's tied to that version. Yeah, and that's fair
But what if also what if I do want to play one of those games again?
Like it's a very specific what if to say that you played a very very large amount of games and never want to play any of them again
That's fair. That might be an archetype of gamer for sure
I'm certain someone watching this perfectly fits in that category Or what if you're someone who in the past wasted a lot of money buying games playing them for three to five hours?
And then realizing they don't actually care about them that much And it allowed you to to to be uh, you know
Just I have to drift around from game to game and not worry about the financial the extra financial burden of that
I have literally ran into a scenario where There was an update to a game that seemed interesting. Yeah, and someone that I played it with when it first launched
I reached out to and was like, hey This looks pretty cool. Do you want to try it out? And they were like, uh, I don't know if it's worth like
reactivating my subscription It's like
All right, dude That's fair. Cool. But like I I just own it. So I guess I'll go check it out myself
There's a lot of there's a lot of discussion on this in the Floatplane chat
Like some people are saying like dude game ownership is so overrated as a gamer of 44 years
I have over 800 games and I practically never go back to play one
Meanwhile, you've got you've got other people that are
Oh, this is an argument. We didn't even talk about fantastic in Floatplane chat says I've got something like
2500 games in my steam library most of which I haven't gotten around to playing
So for me, I can't justify game plus subscription just because I have so much other stuff to play that there's no reason for me to
spend more money on games at all right now um
There was a uh, oh autumn sale Walker makes a really important point that we're talking game pass ultimate
Which not only includes the games, but for certain games it also gives access to a cloud streaming platform
Which might be good for people on older pcs or who are often on the go
So that's fair. I didn't actually know that because I don't care
But there are solid arguments. I think both I can understand their being scenarios where for me
It makes no sense. I don't want it. I like the idea that I'm more directly supporting developers when I buy the full fat game
I have a huge backlog of games that I want to play I see no desire to be
Hungry biting at the bit of new game pass releases a game pass does not mean that you get every game
It means you get every game that's on game pass And they could come and they go the game that you're playing on every they feel like it
Well, I don't like any of that. Um, I also like I'm looking at the steam autumn sale
Which is running right now hobs points out that in some cases save transfers are not possible between Windows store and steam versus
Games what I was saying earlier. Yep. Um, I think that's actually like really important
Um, personally
You know, I used to back up my save data like I still have my dragon age origins like save file
I don't think I've ever actually been tempted to fire it up
And even if I did the game has probably been updated so many times that it wouldn't even necessarily work
I run into that a lot of times so I don't know but then on the flip side of that is when I went to
Start tears of the kingdom. I like super cared that I still had my breath of the wild save
I don't know. I I there are games. I care about it a lot. There are also games where I go back and I'm like this save is
unplayable because like
I don't remember anything of what's going on or I did everything wrong
But then the steam notes feature that's is fantastic for that. Um, and is becoming less of a problem
Um, what is the name control is the name of that game? Yeah, dude. What the heck?
These type of sales happen. So if you can just be a little bit patient
Oh, yeah, right you can get control ultimate edition for five canadian dollars. Yeah, it's like 350
Like yeah when you could get 10 games of this caliber
A month once you convert that to usd. I think it's probably
Not quite but close close eight. Let's say eight eight games of this caliber a month
Or game pass ultimate. I'm getting these dude Yeah, that's fair every time that's valid. Apparently it's free on epic
Or no, maybe not right now. Oh, yeah, a bunch of people are saying free on gog free on epic. That's wild
control is Apparently, I don't know free on gog
That's pretty cool. You should definitely get it from gog if you can
Gog is pretty based very
um Yeah, I didn't even consider that argument like the the drm free nature of gog
Is like the complete opposite of we will take it from you whenever we want and you will pass the subscription forever
And your save won't transfer and screw you. Yeah, like I would way rather support gog
Then get a freaking game pass like I I
No All right, not personally. I'm not gonna judge someone else for getting it. Do your thing
That's that's a fair take. Not for me. I think that's a fair take
Our other discussion question here is do you think Microsoft might be trying to push people hold on
It's worth the devs, but also don't buy it until it's 90 off wtf
I don't tend to do that too often. I was saying that's a strat that is really good
If you're looking at min maxing your dollar value, it's also not luke's fault that the devs priced it at that amount
like you're you're still Definitely supporting them. It's more of like a
It's for change kind of support, but that game has also been out for like
Eight years or something like that. Let me roll and control come out six years ago. Oh, okay, 10th 2020. All right
Okay, our next discussion is do you think Microsoft might be trying to push people into the lower game pass tiers with no day one releases
Rather than just backing out of their day one game pass release promise like is this sort of a tactical
Price is a decent strat actually because if you really care about a game and you want it day one
You could just buy it and for everything else you have your game pass
I've heard that's a thing that like quite a few people do so. Yep. I don't know
Um, there's a bunch more discussion questions here. David. These are all really interesting
I almost wonder if this should just be like its own Its own video. I'm gonna I'll mark that uh because I yeah, I don't think we can talk about this forever on
Uh Maybe this is just a video in a bit. Okay, one thing that will inevitably be on game pass because forza is a
Microsoft studio thing But i'm excited about anyways is they are finally going to japan forzer hyzen six is going to be in japan
And that's actually pretty sick. I'm excited about that
All right, let's move on shall we Floatplane announcement? Is that what we're supposed to do Dan? Where?
Where is it? Sarah week is upon us
Here it is. Am I supposed to watch the announcement? I don't know
I feel like probably Do we have audio Dan does my audio work? Um, what are the odds?
Give her a plan. Let's see. Uh, but
Do I have uh the stream going? Nope. Okay. Nice. Uh, I hope no, it's muted. Yeah
Oh, man. So is this and also someone on someone on the account watched it
So usually for Floatplane themed weeks
we spend time and money creating some elaborate teaser trailer, but
I uh spent all that money on a trip to drum heller. So now sammy's on the phone with accounting
Uh, trying to get some more money
for us but dinosaurs so
Accounting says by the merch by the merch by the merch. Please buy the merch
I need to live here. Are you often the butt of the joke?
Am I this is mood? How many shirts do you think I've designed over the five years? We've got 26 here
What you don't want cat like what's what's like butt scratches? That's bad. What are your top three dinosaurs?
Delofosaurus my dog reminds me of a velociraptor. So my dog is my third favorite cop out
Oh, there's your trim bone apathy You can get some clams and mussels too bone apathy bone apathy
There was a point where I was quality checking every single hollow foil shirt that went out
So if you own a hollow foil shirt, I probably touched it at some point
I didn't know that that's a great plastic editing. Good job sammy. Yeah. Yeah, I remember that there was uh,
there was issues with the ink and it was bad and uh
We were still new at all of this
And there was nobody else to do it so
Anyway, um Sarah week is upon us a content highlights will include a sara q&a a t-shirt design ranking and a very expensive travel vlog to drum
Heller alberta aka The dinosaur capital of the world according to alberta
Also, we will have a limited run Floatplane exclusive shirt to coincide with sarah week. It looks a little something like that
It's a dinosaur And also there's a Floatplane on the back. Heck. Yeah. Heck. Yeah
This and so much more all on Floatplane next week LMG.gg slash Floatplane
All right Dan
I think we should do at least one more topic All right, what do you want to talk about Lou?
So we did xbox We did We have done an extremely poor job of getting through all the topics that we were supposed to talk about today
We have i've leaned luke. Uh, I want to do another ad hoc Linus topic though
Oh my god No, we have to we have to do this one But we have to get through some of the topics we have to prepare then we do it after dark
We have to do it after dark We have to get through people put real actual human work into preparing these topics for us Windows 10 is end of life
October 14th is when Windows 10 support ends and boy are things ever happening
Businesses are dumping their Windows 10 machines and a substantial reason is due to the lack of Windows 11
Compatibility due to the lack of tpm2 and or other critical hardware and I guess they don't want to
Get modules and have people plug them in. Uh, they could use the extended security updates. Yeah, that's true
Like you're not doing that on your laptop. So yeah And uh, well, yeah, I mean that's fair most of the pictures I've seen are old desktops, but they might just be
Might be kind of time anyways, uh, but that's a paid program the extended security updates thing
So many folks are weighing the costs and benefits
Uh, because it's priced at 30 dollars per license per year. Would you pay? Oh, wow
That is an interesting question. Would you pay 30 dollars a year?
To run any version of Windows you wanted
Like your ideal and it was secure and and it had if if microsoft had a program where you were still allowed to run
Windows 7 Or xp, but it but it was but but with modern support
Modern support. I mean, I have to assume that they could afford to do it
I mean, how many how many millions of people are still running Windows xp today Windows xp market share
I I'm willing to bet it's not zero. It's quite a lot actually
It's uh, it's apparently it's apparently still somewhere between 0.3 and 0.54 percent
Which if you think about how many hundreds of millions of PCs there are in a year
There are in the world Do you think we could say with reasonable certainty that there's a billion PCs in the world?
Probably one in one for every eight people I I'd say that's probably on the low side. That's decently. So let's let's just let's make some let's make some dumb napkin math assumptions
Let's say 1 billion PCs
Buh, okay times point. Let's use the lower end of that number what I say point zero three
Okay, so point zero three percent equals
30 million PCs times 30 dollars a year
Would give microsoft a 900 million dollar a year budget to maintain modern support for Windows xp
And And that's like, okay, I don't even think and to be clear
I don't think that would be necessarily reasonable. I don't think that this is necessarily a reasonable thing to expect anybody to actually do
I don't think all of those customers would pay. I don't think microsoft's partners would love to support
Upteen billion versions of Windows forever on all of their software
I just mean if you could if you could pay 30 dollars a year to run your ideal version of Windows
Would you pay for Windows and and does this mean I already pay for Windows?
But would you subscribe to Windows? But okay
Does this mean game support? Yeah, does this so there's all compatibility? It means it works like you'd expect it to work
It doesn't get new features But but it works the way that you would expect it to work for new features because a lot of those are compatibility things
I would say that uh, I would say that co-pilot is a new feature
Okay, so could I do the wanshow on Windows xp? Is this kind of what you're saying?
Yeah, could this computer run Windows xp? Yeah
I can play modern games and connect to wi-fi and do things like that on Windows xp
Okay, so it's getting features 30 dollars is new features too cheap
I would pay more you'd pay more than 30 dollars a year. No, who are we kidding? I wouldn't pay anything
Some of those things are new features Which ones what if it's like dx 12?
But it's Windows xp
Like there's there's about the inverse what if I wanted to run Windows xp software
They would just kind of like have unlimited support for every program written back to dos
Kind of like where are the bounds of this hypothetical?
I don't know my guys. I think you might be overthinking a little bit. Let's say that everything works
And we just have a nebulous definition of what a feature is would you pay 30 dollars a year to run?
Which is your favorite Windows 7?
Probably 7 but I did used to run. I did used to run. Vista was hotter. I did used to run
Nice vista black edition Nice. This was once you go vista black. You never go back. This was Windows xp black sick back in the day
So I could see I could see me going for
heavily modded versions By my like I so what I would do back in the day
Oh, so I'll get black edition and then I would mod it Significantly further beyond there
heavily modded version of vista or if I have to stick to like a more stock experience I would go
Yeah, seven for sure. I'm doing heavily modded seven Do not under any circumstance go beyond seven and the main reason for that is telemetry and ads
Mmm. Yep, and Windows 8 just sucked
8.1 was like a lot better, but 8 was
And I hate the blocky design so just I'm just staying away from that's fair from 8 and 8.1
Anyway, the point is keep an eye out for some used hardware
If you're looking to build like a home theater pc or a nas or something like that
There are to my knowledge still workarounds to get around the tpm stuff for home use
Stats counter noted that Windows 7 has apparently had a massive increase in market share
So that's Pretty interesting What has Windows 7?
Really? Yeah, I guess if people are like, I'm not gonna have security anyways. They're just going back to the better one. That's great. That's great
Yeah So I don't I don't quite understand how that works, but um, you know what I'm I'm here for it
That's a really significant jump. Oh dude. It's like very like it was flat lined basically
Yeah, and then it's like boom and it very clearly is coming out of Windows 10
Yeah, so I wonder if people are like, hey, if I'm not gonna support anyways, I'll just go back wild
Absolutely wild you absolute mad lads all of you
Okay Um, I know 7 was so sick. Do you want to talk about open ai and saura 2?
Sure Open ai launches saura app this one
Oh, it's moving open. I launched the story app. That's the topic you're talking about. Yeah, okay
Open ai launches saura app parental controls an instant check out which is
Crazy open ai has launched saura 2 their new flagship video model now featuring audio generation
Exclusively available through their new invite only iOS exclusive social app
also called saura The new model is notably better at simulating physics
Open ai says that it's In its current state it will be able to follow instructions that spend multiple shots and simulate a consistent world state
Which I can already tell you it doesn't really do and we probably shouldn't listen to what they say things do at this point
But anyways moving forward The feature that caused the app to go viral this week was cameos
What technically they only said it can they didn't say that they enabled that feature
Or that it will all the time The the the feature that made it go viral was cameos users can train the model to replicate their likeness
Or just pretend there's someone else and train it to Replicate that persons and then choose whether to keep that ability to themselves or allow others to deep fake them as well
This led to social media being overwhelmed by videos of sam altman
Doing many things including being dressed up as a kiddie man or stealing GPU's from target
Are you loading those nope? I'm bringing up the creepy one that someone sent me
Okay Here is him dressed as a kiddie man
You
Okay, and here's I gave sora the oh boy. I mean I can pretty easily tell it's not you but
LTT logo and a simple prompt The host of this narrating about sora. What's the audio suspiciously got line of sebastian's voice and likeness just with blue eyes
Uh, here we go ready Dan I'm blowing minds lately, but there's a lot more going on under the hood. It's not just stitching together frames
You probably know sora as the text Yeah, so it's pretty extensively trained on you. Yep
Nice, that's cool. I'm happy they compensated you for that
Me too
Anyways, here's sam altman steering stealing GPU's and then getting caught for it
You
No, it's not gonna lie pretty good. Yep Especially because we've known for a long time that like
Security camera footage. Yeah, that's true security camera footage or I mean, it's the old like
Bigfoot thing, right? Yeah, it's always the worst camera at the worst angle in the worst lighting
Like you you do that and it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't because the fidelity is so low
um anyways At the moment sora 2 is limited to iOS and open ai said that they want to scale
Responsibly giving users tools to control their feed and even uh default limits on how many generations teens can make
Okay, uh, sure. That's the main concern right now. Yeah
That's posturing for sure. Uh parental controls for sora will be accessible through the chat gpt app
Where general parental controls have been introduced as well parents just have to link their accounts and will have access to toggle features
Set blackout hours and receive notifications triggered by their teen's behavior
The progression with parental controls is part of an ongoing effort to make chat gpt helpful for everyone massive quotes
Uh, eventually open ai wants to be able to accurately predict the age of users so they can automatically block graphic content
And potentially involve law enforcement and also serve the meds and if the I added that last part myself
And if the kids, yeah, absolutely That's the core reason for sure and if the kids really wanted the bad things
They would just run it locally Uh open ai elaborated saying that it will only contact law enforcement in rare emergencies
When their system detects a teen is in a moment of acute distress and their parent cannot be reached
Oh, okay. Yeah, that I just throwing that out there. That might be too late
um Acute distress just a little bit too late. Yeah, not a good time to necessarily do that
A lot of it too late. Uh, open ai is also automating and open sourcing instant checkouts with chat gpt
Allowing all us customers to buy single item purchases from us etsy sellers and with more
Shopify based sellers to come later. Oh, okay. So hold on a second people could buy an LTT screwdriver on chat gpt
I don't know if they can yet And I don't know if this has to be like an opt-in thing. I would opt into that
Why not? I'm not gonna lie. I mean if people are gonna give all of their information to open ai and open ai is going to
Use it to advertise stuff on Shopify
I wonder if you have to have an affiliate program for them. They probably wouldn't start that way
But I wouldn't be surprised if I wouldn't be surprised if we got there. Yeah, or or if you had I mean
Musk already said the quiet part out loud about xai where he was just like, yeah
And wouldn't it be great if brands could just pay us to recommend their products? Remember that?
Uh, so I wouldn't be surprised if that has been a very active conversation in the ai chatbot community
Apparently you have to allow it from the Shopify side. I mean we we would definitely turn this on. So we should do that
Yeah Comrades here. Hey, you can do it now
Instant checkout isn't reaching into your wallet It's just adding a buy button and embedding the checkout process into your chat gpt chat for products that support it
Instant checkout uses their agentech commerce protocol or acp
Which was co-developed with stripe that makes sense
Every step of the process requires explicit confirmations
And payments are encrypted and only authorized for specific amounts. Okay. I'm waiting for a future
where we have a listener bot of sorts in
various live chats And then you announce some product on wanshow and people just type buy and it just does it
Anyways moving forward actually I've got um a sort of semi maybe kind of related
topic of conversation. So we've talked I think a fair bit in the past about
buy now pay later schemas um
and This came into my inbox earlier today
Um blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay. So I I sent this to the cw team a few days ago about Shopify
And yeah the chat gpt integrations and then um, I got I got an email from dave
And he goes, uh, hey, so just following up with you
um Oh wait
Yes Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like this is public. Okay. Sorry. I almost said something. I thought I might say something
That's not public. Uh, so dave sent me this email. He goes. Hey following up per our Shopify contacts
It sounds like their team is very slowly rolling access out to stores on a limited basis
I oh wait. No, this is a different thing. Hold on. Uh,
Do you want me to take it? Uh, yeah, I can't
Paypal is enabling buy now pay later for like everything
I don't even think it's opt-in or opt-out paypal is just like allowing this now
Which does make sense in regards to how paypal works
Um, and then Shopify as far as my understanding goes is doing an opt-in setup
Where buy now pay pay later is not enabled by default but stores can opt into it
Yeah, if we're being effectively forced into complying with this whole concept from paypal anyways
Um What do you think we should do? I think that was effectively the question. Yeah
Oh, yeah, here's my email. Why didn't I just read what my email
From dave's email below related note both shop and paypal are pitching payment payment plan solutions for consumers
Uh, paypal is rolling regardless of whether we market it shop is an opt-in
Do you have any feelings about payment plans for customers? And what I said was luke and I have been pretty vocal critics of buy now pay later schemes on wancho
It seems like we are being forced to have it at this point regardless
Should we discuss on when what should be our policy regarding this tech?
If it's supported through paypal anyway, should we provide customer choice on our site for how to engage with this payment method and
Both luke and taren responded. So you do just want to say what you said
Um, yeah, effectively. I didn't actually read your email yet. So oh
Why do I even send them? Well, because I'm gonna read it eventually
I was trolling um Yeah, I had a weird
I had a not weird. I had a surprising encounter I was I was trolling about clarna, which is one of the more well known buy now pay later solutions
You know buying a banana with clarna or whatever. Yeah, um, but but there's a ton of them
It's not just clarna, but I was trolling about that in a chat that had a swedish
A person living in sweden in it. Yeah, and that person pointed out like
Hey, bro. It's actually like totally normal and kind of fine here
I was like What and they just
Apparently use it as a credit card replacement
Yeah, and it's very normal and a lot of people just have debit cards and then they use clarna, which is a swedish company by the way
Um, so it started there as a credit card replacement. Um, and delinquencies
Linguin sees and defaults in like sweden and norway where it was originally popularized is like
Way lower Than elsewhere just like have a different relationship with it and that maybe kind of just fall back on like
I don't know I think our CEO tarin tong had probably the most based take on this
He says credit cards are also onerous if you miss payments. We accept those
My position is Be financially literate
If you're using this to borrow money and don't have the ability to pay it off within terms
You probably shouldn't be making the purchase my take on it was freedom reigns
Let them do it if they want I don't I don't oh right. We never actually clarified the part about why we have some discomfort because
The way that the relationship that people have some people have with these by now pay later schemes
Is not a healthy one and it can seem to encourage
Um unhealthy spending habits. There is literally people
This is more common in the americas. Maybe not so common in sweden and norway and the world is not the same and yadda yadda yadda
But there are apparently people that max out their credit cards
Don't have any credit card room left
And then go to something like carna and that's
That's crazy terrifying Please know
Uh people are saying carna will cut you off real quick if you don't pay. I have no idea
I don't know. I don't like it as someone who had credit cards extremely normalized
Which is a north american thing. Yep. This sounds just like bad extension of credit card
Yeah, it sounds like I also understand it's different around the world. It sounds like uh
Uh Why does it bother me because yeah, they both are functionally the same. They are both literally buy now pay later
So maybe it maybe it's because
I assume that I am buying something with a credit card
So I assume there should be no reason that I need to buy now pay later
Credit card does that make sense because it's like one month carna is mini month
But see and that but that okay, but is that the difference? Well, hold on. There's two differences. Okay. Okay. Okay
So through my north american lens Like literally almost nobody here
Uses a debit card to pay for something online. Like I don't I don't I don't even know if we can
You could use you have email money transfer
There are there are ways to use Debit cards for online payments, but it's like really unnatural and yeah
So so so functionally speaking if you're buying something online as a north american
You are using a credit card or you are using your paypal account, which is probably linked to a credit card
um Or can be linked to a bank account, but that from my understanding is
Exceedingly uncommon compared to just using a credit card
So maybe part of our ick around stuff like around buy now pay later like carna is that we assume
That you're already using a credit card So there should be unless you are being financially very irresponsible
No reason To use a buy now pay later scheme because you are already using a buy now pay later scheme my first
Few exposures to it were discussions
Where people were talking about how they can still order
Things like uber eats even when they've maxed out their credit cards
Those were the first few exposures I had to it not one
Like all of them for like months
And so then was people talking about that part of it too then could be
Our our cultural experience of living in a place where credit cards themselves too are something to be treated
Extremely cautiously where we know that they are not used responsibly and one of the reasons that is often cited
For people to have trouble controlling their spending with a credit card is that it has no
Like no discernible Change in weight or size when you use it, you know, like cash does
Um, so it can be it can be hard for some people to keep track of it
So to me something that you pay over an even longer period of time would seem to me to compound
Potentially that I agree. It's like that whole thing where like oh you buy a you buy a couch
And it's zero dollars down zero percent interest for three years
It's like why does that model work? Because they're gonna get interest rushes people because it has a 30 interest when you don't have it paid off in three years
You're gonna forget about it because it's three years later. And then you just get slammed people can afford 300 dollars for the couch
they want now They can't afford three thousand dollars
And instead of just buying a three hundred dollar couch They want the one that they can technically afford because they have an extra 300 bucks every month
D Jenner in Floatplane chat says so you guys support the payment processors censoring game purchases
It is not your responsibility to police the way other people spend money
If I want to pay later to gamble, that's my issue. Just don't promote these things
Well now hold on just a gosh darn second here because putting the logo on our website is promoting it
So that's one thing And I'm so confused there is a degree of corporate responsibility
For not engaging in things that have the potential to be predatory
Right like the whole thing where a third party that was nothing to do with the transaction, right in those cases the payment processors
were interfering and
through outside influence groups were
Putting their own moral values on a transaction that was taking place between the first two parties
So we have a fourth party influencing a third party to influence the second party when you're just trying to buy something
That is not the same thing Um at all that's not the same thing at all in this case
We have two parties and one is deciding whether to implement a payment processor that can
potentially Be harmful like
I think that it's a very slippery slope to say well corporations should just
Implement whatever and if people Can't use it responsibly then like whatever that's on them because I think as soon as we
Start to say something like that well like why even have
Warning labels on cigarettes because you know they're adults. It's their bodies. It's their right to do whatever they want
it's like well like yeah, but The whole reason that we have warnings the whole reason that people get the ick around the mobile gaming industry for instance is that
It's it can be very targeted. It can be very exploitative and
We are aspiring here to not behave like that
That's a good thing It's we're we're not we're not interfering in two other parties business and and pushing our own sort of moral value
We're just trying to operate our business with integrity
The the thing that kind of shifted my stance on a little bit was talking to
um People in sweden essentially more than more than one I talked to a few and they're all like yeah, what are you even talking about?
This is super normal And not just super normal. This is just like how you buy things
um So you know, okay, I don't know
I just was unaware and I think
It still doesn't make me comfortable with it, but I'm also not completely comfortable with credit cards
I mean, we've talked on wanshow about the insufficient fund errors on flow playing going up
That's uncomfortable I don't like that don't do that and I think we just need to say the same thing about buy now pay later
Which is like don't do it if you can't pay sooner than later
Personally Because just because there are
This this feels like geographical to me
Because like literally like if I if I look up, um
There Stay the path asks
Uh lmfao. Thanks guys. I'm still not clear if canadians use credit at all question mark question mark question mark
Like do you guys only buy stuff when you can pay for all of it up front right then?
Yes That's not all canadians actually one of the reasons that there's a high degree of
Awareness around this topic for us is that canadian household debt is I believe at an all-time high right now
And it's a it's a it's a major issue for us as a as a as a canadian society to try to figure out how to
How to tackle and shift our culture on
but for I Speak for me and luke personally and I think I heard Dan pipe up back there, but I was not already aware of that for Dan
What was that sorry 100 f***ing percent? Yeah, no, I have never made a discretionary purchase
If I don't have cash you've got to be kidding me
Yeah, and and I use credit cards for literally every purchase ever
Yeah, me too and I always treat it like it's cash Yeah, yeah every purchase goes into a spreadsheet at the end of the month
Absolutely and to be clear there are healthier types of loan like while
While the housing market in vancouver was going gangbusters
Like people would take the equity that they had built up in their home because the value had gone up so much
And they might take some of that money out of it As an additional loan versus the mortgage they originally took out to you know
Do a renovation on the house with the idea being that well the value of the property is going to go up so much
Anyway, that by the time you sell it it's basically free real estate like there and and that was at a much lower interest rate
Or like for example, my parents They often they had a line of credit that we would often have to use in august because they were both educators and weren't being paid in the summer
and Some teachers do take on summer jobs, but they didn't they took care of us kids in the summer because they had five of us
and so You know, yeah, we would dip into a line of credit from time to time
But in terms of like like we're talking about credit cards and by now pay later here guys
We're talking stuff with like crazy interest rates. Like
I don't I don't I don't I don't want to give any financial institution a penny of interest if I don't have to
Why would I just think the the thing buy a GPU later the thing that's shifting my mind
Yeah, uh, the first shift was talking to swedish people and just being like, oh, okay interesting
And then I started looking into it more and then I started
Hearing people talk about the the the term by now pay later
And it's just it's just credit with a different shirt on. Well, yeah
Yeah, they're microloans basically, but that's what credit cards are. So like yeah
I well, that's kind of why I said earlier like it's it one month versus like six months because you know
visa pays for my purchases for less than a month or one month
um, I guess Klarna is paying for your purchases for six months like I think it's the same thing
I'm trying to figure out why I'm so put off by it. I think I think we are having the same sort of gut reaction
Which is this month I have $3,000 to buy a GPU
So I'm gonna buy that GPU because I have $3,000. I'll put it on my credit card. Um
I would really like this GPU, but I only have $500. So I'm gonna split that over four months
Mm-hmm You only have $500. Maybe you shouldn't buy that GPU. Maybe it's better to save or you should buy that GPU
But you should buy it in four months after you have saved it up ahead of time
Maybe they're trying to capture a deal something like that. I think the stuff like klarna for somebody like myself promotes
Bad spending habits, and I think it's designed to promote bad spending habits because not necessarily this is more advanced than that
Clarna's like sucralose whereas Um credit cards are sugar
It's way easier to pay 20 bucks now than it is to pay 200 bucks and you pay 20 bucks
On top of it. So your bills every single month blossom
I see what Dan means where by the time you start to realize how deep you are in it
Your you could be deeper in it. This happens with credit cards. Oh, yeah, it does and this is a does a more advanced version of that
Hangs your dollars up front. No, I I totally understand what you're saying, but I also understand Dan's point
This is just that but worse and and it's it's only worse. Hold on. It's only worse
Because you understand it's the same it is but it's also could be worse. Okay, because we've got to understand that
Not every person is going. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on Dan. Wait. Let me let me break through. All right
He's got a bit of a mental block here. I knew I knew at this. I think I know what the problem is
Okay, good. Good. So so the point that Dan is trying to make is that
With a service that extends it by such a lengthy period of time
There is a potentially such a long delay between when you made the initial decision
And when the negative impact hits you that you may have had much more time to make compounding negative decisions
In that time whereas your credit card bill arrives every month. So it's kind of like
If you had multiple credit cards that you were using to pay each credit card
And you only realized what a problem it was by the time your last credit card was due is I think what you're trying to say Dan
Yeah, I get a credit card. It's about minimum payments, which is what like a lot of people do
But you're paying off your clorna, but you're paying off your credit card. You're paying off your clorna
Every single month I get this big bill. I pay off my big bill
But when I'm looking at a purchase and I'm staring down this GPU and it's three thousand dollars
I'm making a uh an internal decision. Do I really want to hand over three thousand dollars right now?
If all of the purchases that I'm doing throughout the day are oh, this is only 20 bucks
Right, my GPU only cost me a hundred dollars Um, and then I go to another store. Oh, this is only going to cost me a hundred dollars. This is only 50 bucks
Oh, hold on my door dash instead of being 15 bucks that cost me two dollars
And then Luke's point is it could be just as insidious if it's zero dollars. It's exactly the same thing
Okay, they're not exact. No Minimum payments. It's about it's about the the
I don't think everyone sees it the way that you happen to be seeing it depending on your psychological profile
I think one or the other could absolutely be worse. Yes
And so I think that's an important thing for us to all kind of capture here for sure
And I think that my gut reaction came from I saw clorna as on top of credit cards
Me which is maybe why I saw it as the the more evil of the two
But I also see your point that if either are being used independently. They are functionally the same thing because
With minimum payments. Yes, I get it the same thing
I think they probably want us to move on but there's one more quick thing Ruker says come on Linus kids come out of college in six-figure debt
So the difference there was I had a really great summer job
I ran a painting business with a similar thing to college pro
And so I came out of school with no debt
So when I say I have I have saved up ahead of time for every major purchase in my life
I do mean that and I've been very I've been very lucky to be able to do that. I was able to live at home
While I was going to school that made a big difference. I mean I commuted four and a half hours a day or whatever
So there were definitely, you know downsides Um, and I I got some help from my parents as well
They paid for half of my first car if I recall correctly So that was a a couple thousand dollars actually it was a cheap car, but it was
It moved from point A to point B, which is what I needed Um, there was more to the deal my mom was also going back for another degree
And so like I I drove her as well as part of you know, like it was it was a multifaceted deal. The point is just that
No, that is that is that is that is that is a thing saving up before you buy something is definitely a thing
um And that was one of the reasons that I have and even continue to
Shop second hand because it's cheaper and because then you like
Don't have to save for as long the hunt is also kind of fun. The hunt is fun. Not everybody's into it
Not everybody's into it
Um Crystal says you also didn't finish college. You also live in a country where that's actually feasible not anymore
So that's a that's a thing that's changed, right? And to be clear
None of what I'm talking about had anything to do with student loan debt I didn't mention student loan debt
That is something that depending on the program that you're going into depending on the return that you might expect from it
could Make sense Yvonne's
Education made a lot of sense Um, and one of the reasons that we were able to pay for her education was that I did drop out
And I contributed to her education even though that probably didn't make sense for where we were at in our relationship at the time
But she seemed like the one and it seemed like a good idea and it paid off just fine
so Make of that what you will
But it's uh Obviously a discussion that is uh creating a lot of
Generating a lot of emotions in viewers right now
And we were basically just looking to kind of take your temperature on this whole buy now pay later
It seems like in general people are pretty aligned on
What's the difference at this point? um
So I don't know I
Maybe we'll talk about it some more. Yeah angry panda. It's it's been an interesting discussion more to say if nothing else
Yeah, maybe there is nothing more to say. I mean are you just
You just are just like whatever at this point do a capitalism turn it on I don't I don't like
Consumer choice That's kind of where I'm sitting. I don't like it
But if you want to do it sure because you don't use credit cards. I use credit cards for everything
I use credit card service archaic and Floatplane chat may have come into the conversation a little bit later
And says you don't have a choice in taking credit cards And you don't have a choice if someone signs up for one
But you do have a choice in enabling buy now pay later Someone could sign up for a predatory service because you offered it
So you might have missed the part earlier in the conversation where we don't have a choice paypal is just
Pushing it it will be enabled. That's it. So
Buy now pay later will be enabled on our site regardless at this point
Um, and that's the reason that we're even having the conversation. That's what sparked it. Yeah
Uh All right, but it's also like I don't know if that's a
This whole thing it comes down to perspectives because like I understand what you and Dan are saying
But I think there is an archetype of person who won't see it that way. That's my core argument. Um
That's the problem and and Sorry, that's the problem that they don't see it like that. No for sure
That's why they end up in horrible cyclical debt forever
Is like no a good thing at all and I think these these micro multi-month loan things
Encourage that more than a credit card. I see I don't necessarily agree. But anyways, we're getting really cyclical
But it doesn't matter because it's fine. It's going to it's going to be different for different people
And I think that Dan can be right and you can also be right. I think so
So I I think that so I'm trying to move on from there
My point is that by having a checkout that shows that it's compatible with certain things. I think it's exactly the same right
Because if you go I want this thing and then you try to buy it and it's like you can use these things to buy it
I think it's exactly the same same as showing a clarinet button because if you're like, oh, I don't have one of these
You can just look it up and have a credit card afterwards
Yeah, um, I think that's reasonable. It's always interesting when we get the drop paypal
suggestion So many people
Literally the second we dropped paypal from our site. I guarantee you our customer support inbox would just be flooded with people asking
Why the f*** we don't support paypal because now they have no way to buy anything from our store
Surprising number of people. I didn't I didn't realize this paypal
Is not a huge part of my life paying for things. I don't really use it
Other than like corporately But some regions
That they are super reliant on paypal. They're super into paypal
And that's just the way it is not not taking paypal
Would not be a good idea period it would just it would literally make customers mad for
What would we accomplish paypal is Functionally a monopoly in their space. It's that would be like me refusing to engage with ticket master
You know what? I'll just never go to a concert again because f*** ticket master And honestly that would be that would be a pretty based take at this point like
If that was somebody's stance, I wouldn't be like I disagree
I'd be like that's pretty cool, but also I like to go to concerts and stage plays and
Stuff so I'm probably gonna have to buy from ticket master
Um
Yeah, speaking of um, how money makes the world go around
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You looked really mad at one point during that. Do you need to talk about it or?
Oh, what is this? What is a one-time card and how does it work?
Use client payment options at one time card service enables you to use client payment options at any visa card accepting online store in the
U.S. Oh, okay. You can just generate credit cards with carna
So it literally just is a credit card if you use it that way
No, it means you can use it anywhere. It means you can use carna anywhere. Oh, I see
I see it doesn't matter if they accept it or not
They bought them
Okay, I uh, I don't want to talk to you guys about this anymore and I don't think chat wants to hear you talk about it anymore either
So, why don't we talk about oh god, I have to scroll over the open a I went off
Minimize that let's not talk about that Uh, why don't we why don't we look at this cool? Um, um an lttv. Yeah a backpack commercial. There is something good
Wait go back
This is so cool. Just I don't know I made this about a year ago says mean ad 93 78
It's just been sitting on my like the house lick was that transition. Sorry It's just been sitting on my laptop ever since thought I'd share it with y'all
It's no masterpiece But thought it'd be better if it was seen by someone rather than sitting on my hard drive forever
Let me know what you think if it sucks. Tell me it sucks. It was just a project to keep me busy at the time
So no hard feelings so cool
That's all I have to say about that just thought we'd uh, you know change the tone a little bit here
Uh, what else we got? Ah, yes, ASUS is rolling out fixes for rg laptops
Users have been complaining about stuttering issues on ASUS laptops and rg has released a beta BIOS update on september 26th
To remedy these issues currently it is a beta But there are plans for a finalized release in hopefully early october
And our discussion question here for mr. Adam sondergaard is how does this response from ASUS compared to their responses to customer complaints in the past?
Surprisingly quick All things considered. I mean it was two weeks ago that um, oh man. I'm sorry. I forget the name but um developer developer buddy
Sort of highlighted what what he thought were the problems with their
With their firmware. So What did I just press? Oh, I pressed this one. Whatever. No big deal. It seems I don't remember his name either
Yeah, I'm not too worried about it at the moment, but uh, why don't we do uh, oh, this is cool
pc games hardware dot de
Tested 180
I don't know. I don't read german. So whatever. Uh, I tested 180
Oh, okay. Well, apparently that was the wrong one. Uh, cool. Uh, tested 180 games across four benchmarks
Just in case you were curious How an rtx 49 180 150 cards not games. Sorry 180 gpus. Did I say games? I'm sorry
180 gpus across four benchmarks in case you wanted to know how an rtx 50 90 compares to
Say a Radeon hd 57 50
Of this is super cool. You guys should go check it out
One of the top up voted comments on this was this is the sort of work that lab should be doing
With one of the top up voted replies to that being no, they shouldn't this is stupid
I agree with the top comment This is exactly the sort of thing that I would love for Labs to be able to do once we've got our testing automation
Really nailed down which is going to be a hot minute, which we don't yet and it's going to take some time
Quite a bit of time, but I am more than willing to keep shoveling that time on money into the furnace
Clarina time the the money furnace And that's what we use to heat our buildings in the winter
Um And and I I want to make I want to make this happen
I want to make it like interactive with some of the cool features that the Labs website has been working on
Or the Labs web team has been working on over the last little while like
Oh, oh, we had we had a topic called there's so much happening at Labs. Sure do. Oh, okay
We weren't showing any new features. So so give we'll get to that in a second. There's technically a feature
But like with all the comparison stuff with our ideas for like bringing your own price
Um so that you can compare like used stuff works. We just need more gps on the site, but those are coming
Yeah, let's go. So yeah, no, I I I want to do it
But we're gonna have to have Like like a a test farm
In order to to test at that kind of scale and I'm I'm here for it. I'm excited
It's gonna be a while But it's coming
Okay, is it time to talk about the articles. Okay. Sure. Yeah, there's been a lot of articles
On the lab site recently And some people have actually noticed we've gotten a bunch of views specifically on this one from lucas the
iPhone 17 series test results, which is a
companion article and I do want to show off that feature. So if I'm on the
Say main page and I see these latest articles on the side
I can check out the different tags that they have so the iPhone 17 series has ShortCircuit companion
So if I click on that Well, there's one
The beta site has more than one That's a teaser. I guess but I'm used to that being more than one
I can go to investigative and see that we have all these articles that are tagged with investigative
And as we keep going we're going to try to keep on having more So you can kind of sort through things nicely, but the iPhone 17
series test results is great if you want to dive further into the iPhone than the
Video did in regards to performance and results and whatnot
This one was really fun. There was a quote from Linus
Where he said this graphics processing unit has functionally zero support for graphics processing
No vulcan no directx and no open gl to speak of
and that sparked Nick and jesse to to work on the why are these called graphics cards article, which I thought was
A brilliant idea for something to write and it's
Long and very interesting and I think you should check it out if that
Sparks your interest and then there's is there a question at the bottom here?
Yeah, we'd love to hear thoughts on the lcd forum and there's a little thread there So maybe check it out
Thread there on the h200 to be clear and then there is the newest one. This came out six hours ago
And this is the Intel arc pro b50 your workstation deserves nice things too
And this dies over the b50 card. There are some stats in here in the table for like the b60, but we don't have a b60
We are interested in Intel's battle matrix thing because this looks sick and that would be b60s, but maybe another day. Maybe another time
This article is kind of fun. There's memes. It's cool. Check it out
But yeah, we are we have been pumping some articles on the lab site and they are
Pretty neat pretty cool. So consider checking those out
the iphone 17 article got a lot of traffic from like
Suggestions and google and external sources not just people going to it, which was neat
our highest click through
Lately that isn't just google search has been
Not the youtube channel Really, I think I told you about this already. Maybe not in those terms. He told me the click through was good
Well, yeah, but it's uh, it's hacker news
We've had more clicks from hacker news than the Linus tech tips or ShortCircuit youtube channels
Even both of those combined as far as my understanding goes. It's been a lot more from hacker news, which has been pretty sick
So that's cool. I don't know necessarily what hacker news wants to know about things
But considering they're driving a decent amount of our traffic at this point
Um, if you're a frequenter of hacker news, maybe ask us some questions or something
I don't know. We'll keep we'll keep working on stuff at this point
The goal for Labs in regards to articles is that if we think something is interesting or we ask a question
Or if we see someone else ask an interesting question We just want to do it and if that ends up becoming a video sweet and if it doesn't
Cool, we have an article on it because one of the big goals is to just
Expand the knowledge base within Labs and make it so that reading Labs articles is like a fun
interesting, uh, you know Keeping up with what's happening in tech thing for you to do and not keeping up with what's happening in tech in regards to just like
news and announcements, but
Knowledge and learning and those those fun things. So
yeah Keep keep checking those out. We like writing those. We like your feedback
We don't have comments on the site yet, but we generally use the forum as a feedback vector. So
Do that, um
Yeah, that's basically that whole topic. I just wanted to show those articles cool
um man
How did we start out with I don't think we have enough
For the show today and then it's every time all man free time. This is wild
So red dot is an app that crowd sources and allows users to uh, wait
Uh, oh, yeah crowd sources and allows users to report sightings of ice officials in the us
Uh, google made a statement to 404 media claiming that it removed apps
Sharing the location of ice officials because they are a vulnerable group
Ice block was the first one to be removed from the app store
Apple made the move after receiving pressure from the u.s. Department of Justice following an attack that was made on an ice facility
injuring detainees google gave a statement to engadget that they never had ice block on their platform
But removed similar apps anyway for violations of their policies
Besides the recent attack google clarified that these apps didn't appropriately moderate user-generated content
red dot claimed that their app aggregates reports from multiple trusted sources alongside user-generated content to determine which
locations should be marked with activity However, the app developers asserted they do not track any individual person's movements
And they reject harassment interference or harm towards ice agents or anyone else
It remains to be seen whether any of the removed apps will be allowed back on either platform. Um, it's been very interesting to watch the
A discourse around this and how it has changed
Now that it is um
Ice agents rather than chinese authorities in hong kong
I will leave it there
No, I won't quite leave it there. There was a lot of discussion around how
Apple bending the knee to china um
By removing apps that allowed protesters to figure out where chinese authority crackdowns were happening
was um anti free speech anti american all that
Um, and for some reason it's an extremely different conversation
here um I'm not saying I don't think I'll take a position on
Whether these apps should that allow tracking of you know, law enforcement in near real time
Should exist on either platform. That's not really that's not really my role right now or here
All I really ask for is some consistency If you're going to take a principled stand on something then you should take a principled stand equally if it's in some other country
Or if it's in your own That's all
Oh, no more ai stuff. Do we have to there's a lot of stuff in the dock. Can we just not?
um Yeah, let's just not
Oh god med is going to use your ai chat history to serve you even more targeted. I mean that's kind of a given
Uh, you know what? I'm just going to take it. I'm going to get rid of it. Yep. Okay. It's gone now now. I don't have to know
Okay Did we do the uk demands backdoor access to apple cloud storage again? Oh sure go for it ours technica reports a new order from the uk home
Office has demanded a backdoor to apple's encrypted cloud storage, but just for uk citizens this time
This follows a january order that sought global access to encrypted user data and caused diplomatic issues with the us
It was announced in august that the uk had agreed to drop the demand in regards to american citizens
But the logic appeared to be that any backdoor would weaken protections for us citizens
apple repeated last week We have never built a backdoor or master key to any of our products or services and we never
will Our discussion question is on a scale of one to ten how surveillance state do you consider the uk?
I don't live there. So I am I don't keep up with uk news nearly as closely as I do with
Canadian news and our nearest neighbor news
Um, so I I'm not even gonna. I'm not even going to begin to wade into that one other than to say that a lot of what we've seen doesn't look great
Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair to say
Oh, uh, we did the testing GPU's Yeah
AI stuff AI brain robot thing
I think us free western democracies need to really take a long hard look in the mirror and ask ourselves
How different we are from what the heck we're doing authoritarian states that we for so long
Um Turned up our noses that
There i'll say that much too all right
What do you want to talk about? There's only really one topic left if we want to do it and it's another AI one. I'm over it
It's the body agnostic AI brain robot thing. Okay. It's pretty cool
To demo their body agnostic AI brain company demos
Is the name demos? Robots oh company demos robots relearning how to walk after being dismembered by a chainsaw
Pretty cool. Wow. Yeah, they're just like people instead of training one model for one
robot skilled Dot AI created a universe with 100 000 robots and used the same model to train them all for a simulated millennia worth of time
cool Now when the brain is popped into a new body it can adapt to whatever that body might be a major benefit
They showcase in the video is that it could adapt to modifications to whatever body it inhabits
Even on robots that it had not previously been trained on
It's pretty cool. That is pretty neat I don't think they needed to use a chainsaw on now, but it's it's so they're vulnerable again
It got clicks for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I got us to talk about it. Yeah
Good job marketing team. Yeah, pretty cool. Hopefully for your sake, they don't kill you first
Okay, he'll be first. Thanks, Luke
One of these days we're going to do the all positive news when show
But it is not that day I'm scared
I'm in danger. Well, you know, you don't like that you could like
Shoot it. It's like it's like a zombie at that point. It doesn't have to stop. Yeah
Yeah, I thought that that's sort of yeah, I mean, dude, it's like lower accurate video game though
There's this is where where they were going to shoot the red thing
They're gonna learn I'm playing the new final fantasy tactics remaster. Oh, I'm enjoying it
it's actually really good timing for it to come out because I have to uh
Start getting some time in with the uh xbox lax
You had issues with the final fantasy six remaster. Well, that was just like the okay
So they're relatively minor ones, but you had very different things. No final fantasy
It's pixel remaster. It's functionally the same game, but like
How do I put this you're saying tactics is functionally the same game? Well, okay
so final fantasy six pixel remaster was like a coat of paint and um
A newer translation. I don't prefer both of which are also true of the final fantasy tactics remaster
but with final fantasy six there were um
Like game balance issues like it felt like the like the tick rate wasn't right or something on certain abilities and
um like I don't know. There were things that didn't seem quite right overall was really good
But if I was to play through it again again again, I would probably just play the SNES cart
As for our tactics so far. It's looking pretty good. I'm playing the new
remastered one Are you looking this up? I'm playing the new remastered one, but it comes with the original as well and the
The director for the remaster is actually the director of the original game
So even some new content that was added in the advanced port of it
The gameboy advanced port of it has been removed because it was like not part of the original game
Is it the ivelice chronicles? Um ivelice
Yeah, ivelice ivelice ivelice. I think I
I originally played the game with no voice acting. So I don't actually the voice acting is really cool
I don't really use it because I like to Skip quickly through things. So what I generally do with jrpgs is like this is my new my new technique
Is I switch the language over to japanese which I don't speak
And so that way I can hear the intonation for as long as it goes
And then I can cut it off mid-sentence and I'll never know the difference
Okay, so you said it comes packaged with the original Is this like in the pixel remastered when I could press a button and it would
Switch graphic styles between or is it two launchers? There's two two games in the launcher
Oh, I see and it just has a lot of little creature comforts. I don't love some aspects of the interface
There's a little bit more delay like if you want to rip through menus not cheap you can't there's a bit of delay on them
and like the off the menu for
Learning new job abilities and assigning them
Those are in two completely different places for reasons that I'm not quite sure that I fully understand
So hopefully these are things that they can continue to fine-tune over time
but little creature comforts like being able to press the right button to quickly
Navigate through cutscenes It's like a lifesaver because some of them are really long in this game
And I don't think the original had any way to fast forward or skip them
There's I would say better camera controls
Graphics look a little nicer. Yeah
An oddly big maybe not that odd an oddly big thing for me with remasters is
Are the controls more modern? Definitely because some of the some of the old controls for things are brutal. Well tactics was for ps1
I mean analog sticks were not a given. Yeah, right, so
Being able to use a stick for the camera control compared to I believe it was left and right
R1 r2 to rotate the camera on on the ps1 version. Yeah, it's an improvement
There's there's no official announcement as far as my understanding goes, but there's like
Very extensive reputable leaks that there's going to be a soundscreen black flag remaster
You'd play it. Mm-hmm. You'd play the heck out of that
I Don't think you'd 100% it. No, I never 100% of the first one. There was one assassin's creed. You did. Hold on. Hold on. Don't tell me
Two there was three that I did. All right. Did you 100% assassin's creed two? Yep
Okay, then I got it at least one and you're still kind of actually entirely right because it was two
Two brotherhood and two ascension. Nice Nice
I got my luke lore like mostly down
That's pretty deep lore too. I don't think we've talked about assassin's creed two since we're sitting on the coach at the Langley house
That honestly sounds accurate
I think it's time for after dark should we do this thing
Uh, remember when after dark was like a cheeky name for when the wandshow ran really late and it had gotten dark outside
Now it's a given and it's always dark outside of the end of wandshow. How did this happen? What did you do Dan?
I don't know. I don't know. I'm I'm I'm solely I'm solely responsible for your scheduling
Day in and day out as well as our
Keeping you on topic. Yeah way to be
All right after dark hit me with a merge message. I gotta push another button in
dance defense question mark, uh We didn't get to start the show today until rather late. Okay. I was doing something very important
I'm gonna be traveling next week and I
Um, are you away for when? No, okay, cool. Yeah, I'm just going down a bit summit. Um, so I was away next
I'm gonna be away next week and so I wasn't gonna have a chance to
Shoot a video that was like it was a quick one for me to write it took me like a couple hours
But I still needed a couple hours to write it and it's something that we need to address
I feel quite urgently and I didn't want to wait
Another week to be able to film it once I'm back
Um, it's addressing the issue around youtube members only videos on our channel and um, I think
They got to go and so I
Rather than us just Joinking them with no communication. I wanted us to have a very clear statement
So I wrote something up and then I uh, did like a quick quick
Almost like peer review for the script with uh, james and then jordan also had a look at it
And then I quickly shot it before when but it did take me a little bit of time
Do you have a way to export?
The Whoa, is this even okay?
I'll figure out if it's okay after do you have a way to export?
Uh, the email list of all your members. No All right, heavens. No, I mean youtube
That's the whole point of them controlling every aspect of the platform I was gonna say we could offer them like a free month on full plate or something
So get them started. I don't think we'd really have a way of doing that Do we have the ability to offer a free month or would that be like manual?
Uh, we can do that if we have like a
You know excel sheet. Oh, I see. Okay
All right, but we never mind. We'd want all their we need all their emails
Yeah, I thought we like had free trials as a mechanism now, but no, okay. Yeah, okay
Emerge messages Yeah, get me Linus is have on into the braces also any tips for someone switching to grafino is
heavens no She like didn't want to kiss me for a while because she was afraid I'd like, you know rip her lip off
Um, yeah, any excuse I guess
Damn
Who are you kissing Dan
I guess the unemployment line after that
I should say the same amount of people as you there you go
Give me a second. Give me a second
Late I'm slow jerosul says line is too mean
Hey, I started it Oh, man hot pond cracker says Yvonne likes to pick the food out. No, she definitely doesn't
Definitely not does that happen. Is that a problem? I can no no I would I would definitely not go anywhere near her mouth with these unless they were clean
I I I believe in I believe in personal hygiene. Did you mean like does food get lodged?
Yeah, like are they difficult to like keep clean? I could probably get like a one inch like section of noodle stuck in them. Like it's it's horrible
Yeah, because I was gonna say when I had braces I was absolutely a thing
um Oh as for graphing os I'd say I'd say
Graphine os so we have I actually shot that video today too
The the switch dude it has like the funniest intro. I think we've shot and probably
At least a month maybe like six months. It's so funny
It's start I'm I'm just like talking about
graphing os and I like Notice someone coming after me and then I go and I like try
I'm about to like try to steal a motorcycle and then like I get arrested
And then I'm like taking my mug shot because the the title of the video is going to be I tried the criminals
Choice the criminals phone of choice for a month
um But everything that I'm saying is just totally straight faced
Like about graphing os and and we almost immediately addressed that there's lots of reasons to be into graphing os
outside of if you're You know and never do well, but yeah
It ends up the Jordan wrote this hilarious thing. It's like the you know
Whether you're just really into privacy or you're an air duel or you stub your toe running from the police or something like that
So I like stub my toe and like wipe out and I'm like like peter griffin
graphing os like I don't know we uh, we put Jordan in one of those hilarious like british style
cop. Oh, it was so cute and it like It was adorable. It's like 40 the size it needs to be for his head so tiny
And then we have him like pushing me down into the cop car. I like hit my head and you know like, yeah, I don't know
It's really funny Um should be good. Anyway, my tip would be do it at a time when you're gonna be
If you're not super technical like super super technical, you don't adb all the things
Um, I would say do it at a time when you're gonna be off for like a couple days on a long weekend or something
So that you have a bit of time for your side quests because there's gonna be some side quests
You're not going to just immediately start
smoothly daily driving it and everything works exactly the way that you expected to
That doesn't mean that it's bad in any way
Super cool and for a lot of people not for everyone
But just give yourself a bit of extra time to get it set up. That's what I would say
Hello Linus the tech and the tips winky face
I was recently watching an older ldd video and I was reminded that Linus hates monitor light bars
What are some other objectively wrong opinions you hold?
You're asking me to determine which things I believe are wrong
That's tough Luke, maybe you could tell me something that I
Am objectively wrong about I don't think you're objectively wrong about monitor bars. So
That's gonna be tough
You agree on a lot of stuff Yeah, I'm sure there's something there. I that's actually a really fun one
How often I see people talk about what an idiot I am and how someone sensible like Luke could hang around with me for so long
I think that means that Luke is also not sensible then
By proxy Oh, no, wait, hold on the internet always says that Luke is right about everything. Yeah, it's it's it's really interesting to watch how often
um, Luke is right when actually
Pretty aligned on like a lot of stuff the most annoying thing for me is when like we will battle about something
And people are like, oh, yeah
And then a month later, I agree with you on something and they're like, what a
You won't you won't stand up for himself. It's definitely Linus obviously holds so much
Financial sway over him that he can't disagree. Maybe I thought it was fine. I don't know
I don't know. Maybe they're maybe their professional body language
analysts Like I don't know man, and they can use little snippets from wancho to determine your
innermost thoughts. What are you objectively wrong about?
Objectively wrong about I gotta be
Uh, I mean, I'm sure I'm wrong about lots of stuff. I just can't think it's just so it's so hard to
Think of something that you believe is right
That is objectively wrong because obviously if I thought it was objectively wrong, I would
What is a controversial take that you have? I don't know. We could go with like ad block piracy that I agree with that
um I also agree with the core reference of it, which is like you can just be okay with that and that's fine. Yeah
um I think this is just hamburgers versus hot dogs. There's also been a really there's I mean
There's been a really interesting new development in that whole that whole take when we had the the the viewpocalypse a few weeks back
yeah, where Disproportionately, I don't think that's a development tech channels with well. No, but it's a way that we can objectively say
Okay. Yeah, there is a clear impact here. Yeah tech channels with tech savvy audiences were disproportionately impacted by
view count Changes that allegedly were caused by
um, something to do with ad blocking. I thought it was interesting because like this is obvious, but
I just like never really thought about it. It's always been talked about how cpms and tech are really low
Yeah During that period considering and tech considering how affluent
And the ages the demographics of the audience spend
Yeah, and how they're often kind of based around shopping reviews of products you might buy
Yeah, but cpms and tech are really low and then suddenly that happens and cpms and tech are not low anymore
Because revenues stayed the same but the views went down
So your cpm reflective of only the viewers that had no ad blocking. Yeah cpms went way way up
Yeah, so if if nobody was running ad block tech cpms would be really good
Um, well, I don't know if I want to say really good. There's some sectors on youtube that are crazy like finance and whatever else
But dude, they'd be much healthier. I'd say that
Up next yeah, I don't know chat's not getting too much work with you either. I thought chat was gonna team me up
I thought you guys were gonna hit me with this like bring it on
But we're not making a Linus town is not objectively wrong. That is not inevitable and I am not wrong for
Not making a new christmas album. It was awful. It was so
awful Uh, it was just oh god. It was awful. I think we should I think we should make a new christmas album
You can't say i'm objectively wrong Yeah, I don't I don't think that's objectively and sell it on the forum again
Okay, that's objectively wrong objectively. I think it wraps around to be better
Uh, we should just move on I don't think we should move on I there there are I guarantee you there are things
I think this of I'm just can't think of it right now should post them on lab's website
Just have a look at the wrong blog
As experienced youtube creators often many channels have the same sponsor in which I am interested
Though whose link should I buy?
Through whose link should I buy what? Supports creators more which channels get paid more what supports creators more
So, okay, um affiliate links right basically you choose
Oh, man, that's a personal choice. I although I think there's different ways you could go about it
So you basically the question is you watch a bunch of different creators. They all have
Referral links for the same product or service sure planning to buy so you're gonna buy a laptop
I'd say you could you could do it a number of different ways You could do it based on just who you like the best
You could do it based on who you've gotten the most value out of over the years
But I personally I lean away from those two. I lean more towards
Who had the best pitch who had the most interesting pitch that you felt?
Conveyed the value of the product really well, um, but didn't mislead or overhype it
And I I think I would I think I would take a what have you done for me lately sort of approach and go with
Yeah, who had the best pitch who who put a bit of extra work into
Into doing the read. I think that would be a pretty okay way to do it
But also the other two are are perfectly reasonable
Yeah, I don't know. I think it's a pretty good answer. I don't really understand the
uh Like what makes some more money or what crater makes more money thing
Oh, I see that wasn't an additional question. That was a factor of the first. Okay, I get it. Okay great Nate finally got one
obviously My name being Linus is objectively wrong because it's because Linus Torvalds
pronounces it away cooler. My first name is English. My last name is French. So your name is objectively wrong. Yeah
Yeah, two objectively wrongs make a right
No, but three lefts do two elves do make a w
Yeah, that's pretty good and your name has to
I could do shape recognition Where does the two elves make a w thing come from because I know I've done it
But did that does that have an origin? Probably do I get any do I get credit for that? I'm not sure. I doubt it. Is that a thing? I don't know
I'm sure it was a thing. It's got to be a thing, right? Yeah
You're objectively wrong for thinking that you get credit for that
maybe
Hey, I saw you. I saw you. I saw that flash. I saw the flash on the stream dad
It was on there for a while. I saw what you did. I saw you do it again because it's a push button. Yeah, I know
I could just hold it and then when you release it appears. Hey, dear little watching from japan question four
Oh Scappard war season four. What about it?
from japan Yours was worse painting a silver case silver as lame
You're objectively wrong You painted a silver case silver
Mine was on fire, dude. Okay mine was on fire literally or figuratively at scab yard words. I don't know literally. Oh, that's way better
I resources of fire. I painted
I should think bob painted but someone on my team painted that case
Silver because it was in what color did it start us?
A different silver that was an extremely poor condition very creative extremely poor condition very creative of you
There were budgetary constraints, which you well know. That's part of scrappard wars. It's weird purchased silver paint
I believe so. Actually, maybe it was all we had. I you know, that was a very long time ago
I'm amazed yours. Maybe it's because you haven't won lately that you're so hung up on
Back then I was way ahead. Is that is that I like this?
It makes me feel just because you don't have any recent victories to rub in my face. I uh
No, it's just because your builds sucked and it's like it sucks that judging can can be so bias when you pay them
You know for a fact that
Internally and in the audience Nobody roots for me just because I run the company
I I think it must have you know this. I think it must have that season because there is no way
I will never let this die. That was There has been ones that I was kind of surprised by didn't necessarily agree with whatever
Maybe some cheating involved this one. No just bull spit just trash bull. This one was trash bull spit
Did I win did I win that one do one season four? I don't even remember
I've won so many especially recently that I can hardly makes no sense at all. I can hardly recall anymore
I think you're only actually like tied with me now and you're talking so much smack
I'm only doing it because I know it bothers you so much. It's so trash. He's actually so upset
I'm trying to find your basic boring How much is it? I'm working. I got it already. I got it already. Leg bouncing right now. I got it already
Oh, yeah, he's angry
Okay, so here's our judges Uh, hold on. Where is okay. So where's my machine?
So, oh look a silver computer versus one that's on fire in the background with pistons on it
Yeah, you you Doesn't seem very practical you put the stuff in pistons. I did
Uh, I'm not gonna ding that. Okay. Hold on. Yeah
Okay, man, we never Freakin scrapyard worse, man. We like
What do the systems look like? Oh, hold on
Man, it's amazing that we're a video production company. It's still on fire. It didn't have to be on fire
Burn for that fuel a long time. Yeah. It was like a tiki thing. It was stupid
You didn't have to have it on fire. It was able to be not on fire. How did we go from this?
to The finale without actually seeing the damn systems
Wow, you know how it ends here. Hold on. I think I can see how it ends here. Oh, what was this?
Wait, you guys won. What are you even talking about? What are you even mad about? I don't think so
Oh, no, we won. Wow by point eight. No wonder you're mad. Yeah
garbage And on your home turf too. Yeah, my parents were we were in Luke's parents garage and he had to lose there. Oh, that's rough, dude
I feel bad for you. Yeah, well, it's a scam
It's just actually a scam. I don't feel bad for it. I got a clarinet
You still playing the off the interest here Okay
I am I'm this was good. I like this emotional debt. I like this concept with having to watch the judges look at them and us just being a reaction cam though
Yeah Why do you have a before that's stupid? You can't show the before of what it
I don't know what the before is out. Did we do that? I don't remember that at all
Apparently, I think you were just showing off that you had extra hardware
Maybe if you'd spent all of the money on the hardware you actually presented to the judges, you might have won
We probably if we did we probably got it for free. I think we were pretty scrappy that season
Yeah, and I don't think anyone had introduced the meta of selling stuff yet. I don't think so
I think that was the jane dimitri
That might be right I think that's when that started. Okay, so hold on. Oh, look how classy this machine looks though boring, dude
But look how classy it is. It looks like it came off a shelf at a store
Except it didn't Except it didn't it was yeah, I imagine doing all that work to make it look normal
It was so garbage before we got it and now look how like class it looks water cooled
Liquid cooled that's custom by the way that custom liquid cooling
It was an aio and then we used clear tubing to make it not an aio
I didn't want to bake some just so bored looking at that boring computer
Wow Anyways, we can move on
Hey, dear law watching from japan question for luke. I'm a lead. I just start up using float planes stack
How strictly do you enforce folder file structure linting and code consistency versus shipping fast first more so
first one then the other Shipping fast for a long time and then
Realizing. Yeah We we do a lot more now
I you didn't say tests or test driven development. We don't go that far
Well, we do we do have some tests, but we don't do test driven development or or 100 test coverage or anything like that
Far from it really but and I I think that's fine. Do you lint? Yes, and we are
Slowly improving that over time. I know jaden's doing a ton of work right now trying to
Uh get like some of the last bits fully properly linted
Which will be nice will be good
and Then from there on we should be able to continue with 100 linted code. Um, that's been a
Many years long project because it's been one of those things where like just we we never pursued 100 all at once
We would do like okay. We're going to work on this project that touches this part of the code base
We will lint this part of the code base and then we move along and it just ends up being like a little adder onto
feature requests which allowed us to Keep releasing things that would either make you know creators or users or or developers or whatever happy
um But progressing on this goal at the same time
Um, and a lot of that has been driven by jaden. He's been doing great with it. So
That's where we're at with that Yeah
What technology do you feel is taken for granted and underrated in 2025?
Honestly almost all of it. I think it is. Oh hell, yeah
I think it's as much as it pains me that a top of the line GPU for like consumer grade GPU
It starts at two thousand us dollars and goes up to three thousand us dollars
Like if you showed that to someone When I was a kid
Like if you and and as much as modern games aren't optimized enough and the developers are lazy like
Dude, if you showed uh, well, what was the what was it borderlands for that's been under fire lately?
If you showed borderlands for to me when I was a kid
I would think you were god like I I wouldn't even I wouldn't even be able to fully comprehend what I was looking at. I um, I think we've gotten extremely
um Entitled when it comes to the the the the technology that we just
Well take for granted. That was the question Uh, I think I think we take it for granted. That doesn't mean that as consumers. We shouldn't demand better
I mean, I was pretty upset when apple made the airpods pro 3
Downgraded from the airpods pro 2 in some key ways that mattered a lot to me. We should we should definitely
You know hold trillion dollar companies accountable when they
Do things that make their products worse or make our lives worse
um But broadly speaking
Yeah, I think I think we just kind of take for granted that there's a computer in our pocket and another one on our wrist
And another one in our backpack and another one on our desk at home like dude
Entire families had one pc and that was when you were doing really well when I was a kid, you know
So all of it Technology is so cool, man
Like freaking like ever just like hold a CPU and go like
Oh my god Like there's physical features in this
That are built literally on a scale of like actual atoms
Oh my god. How is this attainable at something even remotely approaching a consumer price? How is this not exclusive to world governments?
Like it's it's amazing. You started going into it, but I was going to specifically say cpus. Yeah, or like I you know
Silicon based processors. Yeah, anything a microprocessor or whatever. It's
The manufacturing that goes into them and then the fact that you can buy them for like a few hundred dollars. Yeah
It's a few hundred dollars, but what goes into it is
Billions of dollars like the craziest thing humans have done
And then it's like a consumer good like that's
wild amazing that it ever achieved
such scale To be able to reach the economies we have today at all and with with remarkable asml and all these guys the the ramp
of The process involved is nuts like back in the day they dip wafers by hand
into chemical baths and like it was this it was this like
Very sciencey kind of process and now you have just these
boxes of mystery and Amazing science comes out the other end and there isn't even anyone in the room like
Whoa incredible Uh ninja van away says uh the the air pods pro 3 reaction caused quite a stir in the audiophile community
um, yeah sure did And uh, apparently critical uploaded a video today
Um ninja man says yeah, I saw that video. It was wild. There was no pushback on crane for essentially what dms and Linus said
That's hilarious. I I actually I haven't had a chance to check out chronicles video yet. I'll have to I'll have to watch it
Oh well
The most important question did you get alex's invitation to jam some tape to tape? Uh, oh that being that's that that's my invitation
We actually we played for the first time like I think like a week before he left or something like that
And on his last day, I was like we should play tape to tape. I haven't played alex
I haven't played any tape to tape lately work's been busy, which
I'm sure is relatable
Based on your but yes, I'm down. Okay
Based on your metrics on youtube or flow plane
What's the weirdest type of device someone has used to watch LTT?
I don't know if we would really have a ton of insight. We see browser, but if I remember correctly
We joked about this a long time ago
And then people did a fridge and a ds or something nice
Um ds is pretty good. I'm I'm taking ds
That's sick. I think that was it Yeah
Sorry was replying to one here one second
Yeah, crystal. I played a week ago at a LAN. I was playing with local people. Come on. Yeah, it doesn't count
Hey, when considering NVIDIA's recent buy-in of Intel
What's your take on the long-term prospects of arc? Do you still have hope for arc as a potential competition for AMD and NVIDIA in discrete GPU market?
I mean, I'm hoping for the best man. I might my take hasn't really changed on all of this back when I said
This is not financial advice and it's especially not financial advice today
But I think long Intel is a good bet
That wouldn't have paid off as well as NVIDIA back when I said it
But the reasons that I gave for very very long Intel were many of them still valid today
I said I believed in pat's vision. Unfortunately, that one's not valid
but all the other things that I brought up around the geopolitical importance of
Intel being Functionally the only non-southeast asian
Cutting edge semiconductor manufacturer
have actually Come to be true. I mean
Literally the u.s. government put billions of dollars into Intel to make sure that china can't just
Take a little robo to cross that tiny little strip of water and
Completely invalidate any attempts at u.s. Sanctions on semiconductor products forever more
um Yeah, every yeah every everything I said then was still true except for I believe in pat's vision and now I just
Now I just have no idea what the vision is I'm still hoping that arc will will will stick around
But I I can't I yeah, I can't um
I really hope arc discreet arc sticks around and I mean with ai being what it is
um Hope I man Do I hope the bubble lasts for long enough for Intel to like maybe make a little bit of money on arc GPU's for ai?
Yo like battle matrix, dude battle matrix super cool
Uh I hope so man I hope that ai gives it a reason for them to keep putting money into it
long enough that the gaming cards can reach a break even point where just
If at we're at the very least they can just ignore it and it can keep doing its thing in the corner
That'll be awesome. That that's my best. That's my they're gonna have to get off of zero percent market share
Yeah, they'll have to do that. Um, okay. Hey, is it time for our weekly arc watch?
Let's go arc watch
I don't think for this the invidia
Investment thing is going to change the path for arc GPU's
If arc GPU's no longer become a thing I don't think it's going to be because of that and I really really really hope that they continue being a thing
This is big dumb. This is misleading. This is not 90 dollars off the msrp of the arc b580 is 250 dollars, but
You can buy an onyx odyssey arc b580 for 249 dollars and 99 cents
And you can pay in four interest free payments of 62 50
I I am throwing back to an earlier conversation on the show
That is not a suggestion. That is not
Not a recommendation, but if you have 250 dollars in your pocket right now
And if you need a pretty dease
1440p or really excellent 1080p gaming GPU
and if you want to be a crazy person and have
lossless scaling stuff going on
Free 3d mark Definitely not as good as that battlefield deal, but that was a crazy deal. That was a really good deal
Uh, what else we got as rock has one for 269 99 if you want pretty close
It has 50 more fans for only, you know, eight percent more dollars. So I guess that's a deal
Um, oh wow those, uh, those reference cards are
Not available first party from new egg. Remember that one was going during Intel gamer deals
They had like like a thousand of them were in the car or something like that. Yeah, whatever it was. Um
Man, I can't believe we're doing this again without me figuring out if we have a uh, if we have a new egg affiliate
Remember we probably sold like a thousand GPU's that one wancho and I was like, hey
Do we have an affiliate link and then I was like, I should look that up. Let's do that every week. Yeah
Yeah, so I got one part of it. I got the part where we just do this every week
I didn't get the part where we make any money But you know what? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because
you can get an asrock challenger b580 for 259 99
and Check out game sale. That's not a deal. Don't forget your os get this out of here. The point is
arc 259 99 249 99 you can buy one right now. I really really want Intel to survive
We need somebody to keep NVIDIA honest and AMD is
clearly not Up to the challenge
Hi, lld finally got calios sg 10 copper edition case. That's the fanless one
Um, do you have any tips and recommendations for building in it? Have fun
Dude, it's It's so cool. Take your time
Go slow. It's really heavy. Don't be go into it
Fully understanding like I would build the whole thing
and then I would make the assumption
That when I'm done building I'm going to want to tear it all down and do it again with everything
I learned to the first time because it really is not a for beginners build
They're doing that open the cable management. It's got to be crazy. Oh, and everything about it is is crazy. It's really cool
And last one I got for you today. Hey Linus for kids
Do you recommend an apple watch in canada the plan is only about 10 bucks a month and there's no access to the web
But it can still be Located and called with texting
Honestly, that was a big part of apple's pitch for the new se
It is like for kids and it seems like a pretty compelling
Price that seems pretty cool. Yeah, um
With that said, you know You could get a lot more functionality with like a cheap secondhand Android phone for that same amount of money
But if what you're after is for them to Not have the functionality
um, there seems like the goal not a ton of other options like the the the uh
The dumb phone Market seems to have gone like super upscale over the last few years
You notice that like they went from being these super affordable
non-featured Devices where the whole point was that they're cheap and cheerful and now they're like bougie
I don't think that's true of all of them. Just the one's getting headlines So, yeah, if you wanted if you're if you're into it the nice thing about the apple watch is apple has
Done a very good job of supporting them over an extended period of time So by the time your kids are ready for a smartphone
Then they can just pair it to their phone and they can just keep using that same watch probably
All I got And that's all I got for you
Until next week same bad time same bad channel. Bye
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