WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.000 We live on the pre-show? We're live on the pre-show? 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:14.000 I think we're live appreciates to that a lot. I think they have explicitly said they do not like it being upside down. 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:18.000 We just got to see if he's going to notice or not. 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:25.000 It's like the only thing he does. It's like anti-advertisement. 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.000 Yeah, you guys got to not mention it. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.000 I need to make sure that Chad understands this. 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.000 If you tell him, he's going to notice. If you don't tell him, he probably won't notice. 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:42.000 Although knowing him, he might be the opposite of an advertisement. 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.000 Because it is an advertisement, he'll see a black hole on his chair and know that something's wrong. 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:50.000 Yeah. Oh, no, name. Silence brand. 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:56.000 Get some Sharpie and just redact it. 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.000 I know someone will buy a merge message to mention it. No, it's like, don't. 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:08.000 Archived. Yeah. Go ahead. It has to get through the Dan filter anyways. Get wrecked. 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:11.000 It's been hard to get purple Sharpies to you. 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.000 I had two people lined up to give some to you at Whaleland and you skip. 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:21.000 Sorry. I didn't. I didn't mean to. I really wanted to be at Whaleland. 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:26.000 I intend to be at the next one. I don't intend to skip any Whalelands. 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:30.000 I want to be at all them. It wasn't entirely my choice to not be there. 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:36.000 Get a custom head cushion that's symmetrical both ways up. 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.000 Part of their font works that way. 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:46.000 The E in the C. But a lot of the rest of it doesn't. 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.000 Loving the new hoodie and two combo. 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.000 Dude, are you talking about the like RGB Fleck one? 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:00.000 I don't remember what it's called. I don't know. 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.000 Knowing our naming of products, it might actually be called RGB Fleck. 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:05.000 The store's not loading. 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.000 Dan, does the store load for you? Checking. 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:15.000 Uh oh. 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:21.000 Okay. Is there any known any other? 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:24.000 Okay. Other people are loading it. Let's try a short. 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:31.000 Why can other people load it? Okay. Is there non Americans that can load it? 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:35.000 Oh, loads for me now. It loads for you now. 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.000 Global works. Let's try USA. 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:41.000 Yeah, it's fine now. What just happened? 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.000 It is working now. Okay. 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:49.000 Sure. But anyways, yeah, the RGB sweater. 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.000 I told this story. We're not advertising right now. 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.000 It's the pre-show, whatever. I don't know. I told this story, but it's actually very real. 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:00.000 Taren and I were at a YouTube event and he shows up and sits next to me. 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:03.000 I haven't actually seen him yet. I sat down before I met him. 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:08.000 He sits down next to me and he's wearing this, the RGB sweater. 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.000 And I thought it was just like a cool, nice, 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.000 I thought it was kind of YouTubey a little bit 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.000 because you had the, the RGB kind of going on, 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:22.000 which is similar to like, you know, the Chrome logo and all the Google logos out of the multicolors and stuff. 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.000 I thought he's trying to kind of be on brand slightly and stuff. 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:31.000 I was like, yeah, it's pretty nice. And then it was like that week's WAN Show, I think, 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:35.000 or maybe the week after that. I think it was a week after that. 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:42.000 I don't know. But we, we, we launched that sweater on the store 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.000 and I was like, what? That was ours. 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:50.000 That was funny. Is the new RGB sweater the same as the previous one? 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.000 I have no idea. What previous RGB sweater do we have? 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:58.000 I don't think we did one. We did our RGB shirts. 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.000 Yeah. Are you talking the long sleeve RGB shirt? 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:04.000 Because if you are, it is different. 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:13.000 Crew neck sweater. I'm not sure what you're talking about so much. 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:22.000 Sorry. No, I own an RGB sweater and a long sleeve and three T shirts 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:26.000 and your name's RGB. Damn, okay. 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:31.000 I don't remember the RGB sweater personally. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:36.000 Sorry. I remember the shirts, the long sleeves and the short sleeves. 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:40.000 The long sleeve sweater. A hoodie? 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.000 Are you talking a hoodie? Was there a hoodie version? 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:49.000 Like a zip up hoodie? I have the zip up sweater. 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:55.000 Okay. I don't know if this is international language in, 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.000 in Canada. If it has a zipper, 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:04.000 especially if it also has a hood, you call it a hoodie. 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:07.000 Sweaters up here are generally when there's no zipper. 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:11.000 A jumper. A jumper, yeah. 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:15.000 And then we have the, the kangaroo ones. 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.000 I don't know. I think there was a hoodie, but not what I have. 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.000 It's a regular unzipped sweater. Same color as the black RGB shirts. 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:27.000 Well, I have no memory of this at all. All right. 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.000 We live? Yes. 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.000 Is it weird for them if I come through your mic? 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.000 Wait, let's go. What if I'm on Dan's mic? 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.000 Does that mess with everyone? Wait, did you turn on the cam? 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:49.000 There. 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:54.000 You got, you got rid of it. You turned it off. 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:57.000 That was probably perfect. That's okay. Stream decks are complicated. 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.000 They're complicated. This man hasn't had a computer in over a month. 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.000 He doesn't remember how they were. It's true. 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.000 I was telling someone that yesterday, that my, my longest streak since I was like seven 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.000 of not touching a desktop has continued because my work laptop these days, 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.000 my work computer these days is a laptop. On Wansho, I use a laptop. 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.000 And my work computer has just been the computer 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.000 that I use all the time. It's strange. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:28.000 I don't like it. I actually don't like laptops more. 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:33.000 I thought that might have happened. Like maybe I'll get over my minor prejudice for laptops. 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:37.000 You need this laptop. Maybe I hate my laptop. 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:42.000 Strix Halo. The battery life on, whoa, I'm one-eared. 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:44.000 The battery life on my laptop is terrible. 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.000 The performance leaves a lot to be desired. Why am I one-eared? 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:53.000 What happened? I was not one-eared the whole time. 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:55.000 It just randomly happened. 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.000 Yeah, it's just, it's, it's not good. 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:06.000 No, I don't hate Dell. This is actually a really nice machine. 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:10.000 It's just that at least on Wansho. These are the laptops that I'm talking about. 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.000 Yeah. Yes. 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:18.000 No, these are actually super nice. These are, these are Lunar Lake, right? 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.000 I remember looking at them when we, these are super nice laptops. 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:24.000 You want to know the, one of the worst things about my current laptop? 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:28.000 And my current laptop is temporarily because my previous laptop is broken. 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:31.000 The function key is the bottom. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.000 Why am I one-eared? Damn it, Dan. 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:39.000 It's Dan, it's Dan. It is definitely Dan's fault. 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:42.000 Can you talk into your mic Linus? 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.000 No, I've decided to take a vow of silence. Damn! 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:51.000 Okay. Yeah, it's still not working. 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.000 But yeah, my, my laptop's function key 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.000 is the bottom left hand corner key. So I do the standard muscle memory 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:04.000 of holding control for things and it doesn't work and it's crazy. 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.000 I do a lot of text editing in my line of work. 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.000 Look at where my page up and page down are. That's horrible. 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.000 Right next to my arrow keys. This, this is terrible 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.000 and no one should ever do that. Function up, function down. 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:22.000 That is how page up and page down works. 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.000 Yeah, that's totally fine. That's how it does work on this Dell. 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:30.000 I can probably remap it. Like I could, I'm sure there's a way to remap that. 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.000 I just haven't done it. Did this just like die? 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:35.000 Okay. 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.000 Oh, FreeBand says there's a UEFI setting 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:41.000 to switch function and control. 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.000 You should check. Even if that exists, which I hope it does 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:48.000 and I'll go look and I'll honestly, I'll do it right now. 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:53.000 It should have never been. Oh my. 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:56.000 Oh, I see. If that works. Yeah, that works. 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:59.000 Cool. Thanks, Dan. Yeah, sure. 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:04.000 Thanks, Dan. Function should never, ever in any universe 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:08.000 be bottom left hand corner. Be the most bottom left hand corner to be clear. 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.000 That should always be control. You should never mess with it. 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:15.000 Putting function over there is objectively wrong even if you have the option of the UEFI. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.000 I'm not acknowledging this because they really shouldn't be doing it. 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:24.000 You did it. No, but I really want to now. 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:26.000 No. 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:31.000 All right, we should start the land show. Huh? 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:35.000 We're not acknowledging it. We're actually not acknowledging it. 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:37.000 Certain people are doing certain shenanigans. 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:45.000 They like YouTube videos from a long time ago. Those videos might have also been on other platforms, 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.000 like maybe Newgrounds or something. 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.000 And it's somebody saying like, I like and then something 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.000 and then a thing happens. I like turtles. Yeah, but it's like it's not Newgrounds, 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.000 but it's like a different one. Can you, can you not? 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:00.000 No, we really shouldn't be encouraging this. 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.000 I tried to tell you subtly. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:10.000 I don't know what you're even talking about. I'm just trying to remember old videos. 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:12.000 You're such a dick. 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:15.000 Yeah. 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.000 I'm not encouraging anything. Just racking my memory. 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:24.000 Yeah. 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:31.000 Okay. What am I, what am I looking at here? 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:36.000 Oh yeah, this is the like blog post on the WAN hoodie. 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:41.000 That's cool. Oh, my fingers are so cold today. 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:44.000 I'm not going to be able to activate the heat, 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:47.000 the thermochromic jacket. Are your hands warm? 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:51.000 Not super, but they will probably still work. Nice. 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:53.000 Solid. Okay. 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.000 Should we do this thing? Yes. 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:01.000 Oh, Artie says we have a heat gun. Oh, so we do. Sick. 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:04.000 Thanks, Artie. Thanks, Artie. 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.000 Artie, you are the heat gun because you're fire. 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:12.000 Okay. 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.000 Oh, okay. Oh, I guess I can just resume the selected, right? 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:19.000 All right, let's do this thing. 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.000 Yeah, I don't care. Yes, the pink. 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:30.000 Oh yeah. No, sorry, I'll stop moving backwards. 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:36.000 You just got that dumb truck? You got that badonk, dude? 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.000 Oh, actually, that's a topic for the show today. 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.000 What I'm doing this weekend. We should make that cake. 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.000 I've already got the B550 check. Now I got the cake check. 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:51.000 We should meme on Linus's cake and make him a reversing beeper. 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:55.000 So at any time he backs up, it beeps. That would be so funny. 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:59.000 No, you shouldn't. That would be so funny, dude. That would be so unnecessary. 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.000 It would be hilarious. I think the word you're looking for is unnecessary. 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:05.000 That video would slap, dude. No, it would not. 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:09.000 Totally would. I am resuming the selected. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.000 The shorts that could go along with that would be amazing. 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.000 The select is resumed. So you now you have to stop. 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:22.000 Oh, shoot. No, I'm not in the right page in the dashboard. 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:25.000 Oh, God, now I've lost the tab. Dan, I have no idea when we're live. 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:39.000 Oh, my God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:42.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:51.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:57.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:00.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:03.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:07.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:10.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:16.000 Oh, God. Oh, God. Let's go live on Shortii circuit. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:19.000 Just leave it up. And then just also turn on the LCD one. 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.000 We'll just stream to both. 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.000 No, we're not live on ShortCircuit. Oh, God. 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:38.840 All right, that's probably an old stream key or something probably 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:47.200 You know last time I did that was directly relating to 00:13:48.920 --> 00:13:55.680 It's gonna be a good show it's gonna be a good show today. I'm tired. I have not slept a lot this week 00:13:55.680 --> 00:14:00.320 So yeah, good luck everyone. Okay resuming the actual selected now nice 00:14:01.160 --> 00:14:03.160 I 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:22.960 What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a 00:14:23.720 --> 00:14:27.080 Fantastic show lined up for you with fantastic news 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:36.000 It turns out that in my haste to immerse myself in the Apple ecosystem. I overlooked one all-important detail 00:14:36.880 --> 00:14:40.520 There is no reason left to buy an iPhone. Oh 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:48.360 RCS exists for people who were afraid of the color green in their bubbles and also in other news 00:14:49.040 --> 00:14:54.360 Google announced yesterday that airdrop is coming to the pixel family 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:57.240 Huh, so you will actually be able to cross 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:02.840 Share files between pixel and iPhone users. We'll get into it more later 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:07.800 We'll get into it more later. Apparently there's some app where you can get all the features of AirPods on Android now, too 00:15:07.800 --> 00:15:13.200 Yes, there is we were gonna talk about that later. No, it's over now and now you spoiled it 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:20.960 Speaking of things spoiled there's some drama in the pebble community. I actually have I 00:15:21.280 --> 00:15:24.520 Got my pebble very recently and I got it in my back pack 00:15:24.520 --> 00:15:30.160 It's on the verge of me being about to set it up. Sometimes it takes me a little while to switch over to new devices the point is 00:15:31.280 --> 00:15:38.160 rebel The community that kept the original pebbles up and running for flipping 00:15:38.160 --> 00:15:44.600 I don't know. What was it six years after Google discontinued it has some drama with the now? 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:50.480 Resurrected new pebble company, so we're gonna have to dig into that a little bit 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:56.680 What else we got this week Microsoft kills another Windows activation workaround while weathering backlash over recent agentic 00:15:56.680 --> 00:16:01.940 OS push and at the same time that there has never been a better time in the history of 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:04.960 operating systems to try using Linux 00:16:06.160 --> 00:16:12.840 also Another topic for sure another great topic 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:17.480 I highlighted one for you. I highlighted one that I'm legitimately excited about. Where's your now? 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:19.480 I gotta find it. Here it is. Oh 00:16:23.280 --> 00:16:25.800 Tesla is poised to adopt Apple CarPlay 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.480 Ray 00:16:34.760 --> 00:16:36.760 Two things I don't use 00:16:38.560 --> 00:16:40.560 You 00:16:48.760 --> 00:16:51.520 The show is brought to you today by Ruger 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:58.240 Squarespace proton and flexi spot alongside our rap partner D brand our laptop partner Dell and our chair partner 00:17:00.880 --> 00:17:02.880 Nice try 00:17:03.880 --> 00:17:12.920 The secret Close we were so you're so good. Did you notice it in your thing or how did you even notice don't even worry about it? 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:18.520 I have my ways Why don't we jump right into our first topic today? 00:17:18.520 --> 00:17:25.040 Which is of course the biggest news in the techosphere right now the fact that Google? 00:17:25.120 --> 00:17:32.700 Just randomly on a Thursday dropped the news that airdrop is coming to the pixel 10 family 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:41.840 For the uninitiated airdrop is an Apple feature that allows people to quickly share files contacts and other media between Apple devices 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:47.440 Including sharing across different people not just the same user with multiple devices 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:52.000 So if Luke and I both had iPhones we could just touch our tips together 00:17:52.360 --> 00:17:59.440 You know as friends are want to do yeah, I'm like normal as long as we have our settings configured and then we can just 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:05.520 Form a direct connection and send files to each other. It's really nice, especially for things like 00:18:06.800 --> 00:18:10.040 ingesting video footage from an iPhone to a 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:18.000 Mac computer. Oh, yeah, did I mention it's not just phones you can go to iPads and other other Apple devices as well 00:18:18.280 --> 00:18:22.240 now Android has had a competitor to this called quick share for 00:18:22.800 --> 00:18:29.520 Quite a bit of time It's gotten some updates over the years to compete with the walled garden and you could kind of think of this as just an 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:37.640 Even fancier update, but it's it's kind of a bigger deal than that because whether you agree or disagree with the importance of 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:43.440 Things like you know iMessage FaceTime walled garden features like that 00:18:45.320 --> 00:18:52.000 airdrop is something that many people do feel is extremely important awesome and 00:18:52.600 --> 00:18:54.600 It's really cool. Our 00:18:55.640 --> 00:19:00.520 Title for this topic is actually really funny. The timing for this was hilarious 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:12.680 I don't know if you saw this on Twitter, but literally a week ago Elijah was complaining about the same switch to iOS app 00:19:13.800 --> 00:19:18.720 That I was having so much trouble with when I switched over to iPhone most recently 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:24.200 Okay, because he just bought an iPhone and the reason that he bought an iPhone literally 00:19:24.560 --> 00:19:33.240 The reason was that he recently went to an event where he actually like straight up missed out on making important contacts 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.040 Making important connections because people were just like oh 00:19:38.600 --> 00:19:44.240 Sharing my contact with you is more work than just touching my phone to yours. Yeah, I'm good 00:19:45.280 --> 00:19:48.320 now the first thing I said to him was 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:53.160 I don't need the contact information of anyone who's that much of a head 00:19:53.160 --> 00:20:02.480 I've also like but I've never heard of that nor seen it nor experienced it you don't travel in the same circles as 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:05.360 everyone else necessarily that 00:20:06.840 --> 00:20:12.960 Event that he was at I have been to before and was invited to it is a different year today 00:20:13.760 --> 00:20:21.320 And potentially a different generation of attendees by one a different generation of attendees was last year 00:20:21.320 --> 00:20:26.120 No, I'm not I'm not talking in terms of generation of the event. I'm talking 00:20:26.120 --> 00:20:32.000 I'm talking the age group of attendees. I might have been to the event, but not and hung out with boomers. Yeah 00:20:32.280 --> 00:20:43.200 Yeah, that's possible So anyway, I am definitely the type of person to get to an event like that 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:47.920 Find the people that actually want to hang out with them and stand in a corner and just talk to them 00:20:49.040 --> 00:20:51.440 Yeah, so I've been I've been teasing him 00:20:53.040 --> 00:20:59.280 Actually a fair bit this week because right after he went through all the hassle of getting switched over to the iPhone 00:20:59.280 --> 00:21:06.360 And he was like complaining to me about he's like Things so stupid, but I like I'm doing it because I just like really need airdrop like immediately 00:21:07.120 --> 00:21:11.280 Google drop this news and I was like ha ha No, I mean meanwhile 00:21:11.280 --> 00:21:15.760 I'm actually dailying the iPhone Air anyway just because I you know 00:21:15.760 --> 00:21:22.040 It's my it's my it's my job to kind of know both of them actually have a lot of notes from this time around Iowa dude 00:21:22.040 --> 00:21:28.680 iOS 26 is like Kind of terrible. I I just mean in terms of like buggy 00:21:28.680 --> 00:21:34.320 I've heard in in to you know in iOS's defense. I've heard bad things about the pixel 00:21:34.320 --> 00:21:43.320 They're saying this is a pixel 10 thing that's coming right quick share I've heard negative things about the pixel 10 as well. I have had I had I honestly my pixel 9a was 00:21:43.840 --> 00:21:51.720 Extremely buggy out of the gate. Oh, I don't really I've generally heard good things about pixel 9 the 9a is the budget one 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:57.040 It has great battery life. That's like the killer app of that phone 00:21:57.040 --> 00:22:01.920 It also has no camera bump those two things are keeping it like in my pocket as 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:06.920 You know my my one that I'm gonna have like some of my stuff 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:12.880 That's a pain in the butt to migrate as I make my way through a number of devices that I want to be using over the next 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:18.160 little bit but There's definitely some buggy-ness and it can it can be very frustrating 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:23.120 But like I am often running into issues with my AirPods on this 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:26.440 I actually I think I caught it on video where 00:22:27.320 --> 00:22:31.360 It's like my AirPods are showing up like like they're they're connected 00:22:31.360 --> 00:22:35.120 They're the active device, but they're just not playing any audio 00:22:35.120 --> 00:22:38.560 And the only way to get them to work is to put them back in the case pull them back out and connect them again 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:43.400 Which yeah, sure turn it off and turn it back on that's a totally valid troubleshooting step or whatever 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:47.640 I think a first-party device like that and like one of the most first popular 00:22:48.280 --> 00:22:53.080 Versions of a first-party device like ever would probably be fine now in fairness to Apple 00:22:53.120 --> 00:22:58.280 It could be because I've I've experienced this I think exclusively with Plex 00:22:58.280 --> 00:23:03.400 I don't use my AirPods to listen to music much and I don't use them for calls much 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:08.840 I use them predominantly to watch things on Plex so it could just be that Plex is a steaming pile of garbage 00:23:10.080 --> 00:23:17.360 So I can't blame Apple for it, but it just it is an observation that I've had that it has not been a seamless experience with the AirPods 00:23:17.360 --> 00:23:23.640 Anywho I've been teasing Elijah about this this week because he literally did it for nothing 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:29.840 The pixel 10 family will now be able to use quickshare to complete to complete file transfers with Apple devices and their airdrop function 00:23:29.840 --> 00:23:33.680 The Apple user will need to adjust their settings to make the device discoverable to anyone 00:23:35.120 --> 00:23:42.680 But that's totally a thing because anytime you want to like we run into this on set all the time because we use iPhones for our teleprompter 00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:48.920 Displays, so if you want to transfer to like like the work account that you're isn't in your contacts and you're not friends with or whatever 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:54.600 That's actually like a normal step then is you need to just open it up to to connect with anyone 00:23:54.600 --> 00:23:57.160 So that's something that Apple people are totally used to doing 00:23:57.760 --> 00:24:02.760 And then you can just adjust the time that it's open so you said it's like 10 minutes or whatever and then it'll close back off 00:24:02.760 --> 00:24:10.960 It's a pretty normal pretty normal step a Google spokesperson confirmed that this was not a collab with Apple, but rather 00:24:11.520 --> 00:24:14.200 We accomplished this through our own implementation 00:24:15.360 --> 00:24:21.880 They also said and this seems like they're trying to get out ahead of Apple claiming that this is a giant security 00:24:23.080 --> 00:24:29.440 Problem and it needs to be closed down because the only devices that are secure to transfer a file are our Apple device 00:24:30.040 --> 00:24:39.820 So they said their implementation was thoroughly vetted by their own privacy and security teams and also they engaged a third-party security firm to pen test the solution 00:24:40.460 --> 00:24:48.780 now The downer here and this actually kind of sucks is that this is not an Android feature 00:24:49.260 --> 00:24:53.940 This is a pixel OS feature and pixel 10 specifically 00:24:53.940 --> 00:24:57.140 And it has not been confirmed if it will be available 00:24:57.820 --> 00:25:02.580 Across the rest of the pixel lineup or across the rest of the Android ecosystem 00:25:02.580 --> 00:25:07.620 They have specifically said pixel 10 family specifically exact wording 00:25:07.860 --> 00:25:12.540 So it's to me. That's a it's not coming to other stuff at least not right now 00:25:12.540 --> 00:25:18.660 But Google does have a history of starting features on the pixel lineup on the latest pixels 00:25:18.660 --> 00:25:23.620 Yeah, having them make their way to other pixels and then having them make them make their way to the broader ecosystem 00:25:23.620 --> 00:25:27.940 Yeah, but I also just kind of wonder if this feature is going to survive 00:25:28.460 --> 00:25:33.180 Long enough to make it to those other devices because you've got to imagine 00:25:33.740 --> 00:25:38.300 You've got to imagine that Apple is going to be finding ways to at the very least 00:25:38.900 --> 00:25:43.060 Passively aggressively make this not as good of an experience easily. Yeah 00:25:44.100 --> 00:25:46.580 Updates every once in a while that just changed things 00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:52.340 So enough that it won't work Tim 00x3 says, but yeah, but what stops Apple from patching this out 00:25:52.340 --> 00:26:00.620 I mean they didn't work with Apple on it and From a technical standpoint very little pretty much nothing stops Apple from patching it out 00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:08.900 but from an Antitrust standpoint and Apple has been under more scrutiny lately around the App Store 00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:13.500 Potentially there there could be reasons for them to not 00:26:14.740 --> 00:26:23.900 Obviously publicly intentionally locked down the interoperability of their walled garden with that said in the US in particular 00:26:27.060 --> 00:26:31.820 Enforcement has been Inconsistent across the various 00:26:32.660 --> 00:26:38.680 administrations and I would say the current one it seems to have more to do with how 00:26:39.700 --> 00:26:47.060 Ring shaped your lips are and less to do with your actual behavior as a company whether you will be investigated or not 00:26:49.060 --> 00:26:53.860 It's trying to make them as flat and wide and not ring like as possible 00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:58.620 Good You succeeded. Thank you 00:27:00.060 --> 00:27:06.060 Ah Discussion question is this a good move or a bad move? I think it's I think it's pretty sweet 00:27:06.820 --> 00:27:17.460 however, you know Saying hey screw those guys with their walled garden ecosystem. We're gonna make our walled garden ecosystem 00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:25.700 Compatible with theirs. Haha now freedom for all especially just our customers just pixel. Yeah, just pixel 10 00:27:26.820 --> 00:27:28.820 like I 00:27:30.060 --> 00:27:34.540 That you're not quite Robin Hood at that point Google you're like 00:27:38.580 --> 00:27:46.020 Who who are you at that point you're your Robin Hood if he only distributed the rich guy's wealth to his merry men 00:27:46.020 --> 00:27:49.220 You know, it's just the king of the neighboring castle 00:27:49.700 --> 00:27:54.760 Yeah, a little bit a little bit. It does kind of feel that way our curveball question 00:27:55.760 --> 00:28:03.360 Elijah I Elijah. Okay. That's not really a question recently bought an iPhone for airdrop also not a question 00:28:03.360 --> 00:28:06.880 Oh, so I accidentally told the story that he had in his questions at the beginning 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:12.440 It sparked a brief conversation writers meeting about should that be a video where Elijah talks through his phone choice 00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:17.800 And we go for the title of I bought an iPhone for no reason. This was a this was a major mistake 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:23.720 Do you think the audience cares about others experience with phones or should we keep doing Linus 30-day phone challenges? 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:27.800 I think that get especially given that Elijah was 00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:36.240 the host Not not the host host, but he was the the interviewer. He was the tech support 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:42.880 He was the facilitator of the entire switch to Android and switch to iPhone challenge series 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.240 I think him doing a follow-up where 00:28:46.080 --> 00:28:54.280 Okay, I Oversaw all y'all switching devices. I also made a decision. I'm getting in on the action. Here's why I did it 00:28:55.560 --> 00:28:59.200 Google announcement mic drop. This might have been a huge mistake 00:29:00.040 --> 00:29:05.200 Am I sticking with it or not now that I've used it for a month? I think that's a great piece of content 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.720 I think it's good if you really if it didn't feel like there was enough meat on the bone 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:14.680 Which I think there might be but if you didn't feel like there was I think you could maybe check in with people that have 00:29:14.840 --> 00:29:20.640 switched within the last year and See how they're feeling about their devices at this point in time 00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:25.560 I think that could be interesting because Yvonne said she was gonna go back to her Android, but she actually hasn't bothered yet 00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:30.720 See that's super interesting to me. I talked to her the other day about it. I was like these might even be two different videos 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:39.120 I was like you're still on the iPhone and she's like Yeah, it's a lot of work to switch devices and I find that I just can't care that much I 00:29:40.280 --> 00:29:46.600 That is a take that does matter to me to be honest because if it's if it's that no 00:29:47.840 --> 00:29:53.280 Because the next thing she said was that if I was in office full-time right now 00:29:53.280 --> 00:29:55.800 I would 100% be switching back 00:29:56.480 --> 00:30:01.680 Because the productivity management tools are just plain better for her needs and 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:08.840 Android yeah, and and just like planning. That's so interesting because I hear I know you guys have your business calendar thing that you like a lot 00:30:08.840 --> 00:30:12.880 Yeah, but there's business calendars goaded There is people that feel 00:30:12.880 --> 00:30:19.680 Equal but opposite about iPhone like the the best flight tracking app as far as my understanding goes is iOS only how much do you fly though? 00:30:19.800 --> 00:30:24.200 No, I know I just this is an argument that I hear for sure. I use my calendar every day 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:30.840 I use I use a flight tracking app once every once in a while when I fly like I don't I don't know man 00:30:31.280 --> 00:30:34.520 There's just it's just like yeah iOS people say 00:30:35.280 --> 00:30:38.440 Equal but opposite things, but I guess it it kind of depends on 00:30:39.360 --> 00:30:44.040 Which things you use all the time Like I know someone that flies like 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:49.800 Often very short flights, but like almost every week really sometimes with 00:30:50.560 --> 00:30:52.560 Who flies that much no, I'm not 00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:59.760 But I'm talking about yeah a different guy and Flightly people sing flightly that sounds right 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.600 It just like lives and dies by that up. Can we what is that? 00:31:04.600 --> 00:31:09.860 Is that me is that you might be me whatever that just oh, sorry. Sorry. Yeah, I'm 00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.280 What a guy dude, sorry what a guy I 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.800 All the iOS users and chat just got flagged yeah, dude 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.240 Yeah, you know it doesn't matter. I love it on Android 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:32.560 You can just drag down your volume button and meet your phone You don't have to like interact with the screen at all. You can't do that. It's um 00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:37.800 Why can't you do that? So what you can do is you can configure the action button for D&D? 00:31:38.280 --> 00:31:44.600 Okay, but I don't have mine configured for that because I have it configured to be a flashlight because I find that more useful more often pretty cool 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.440 Yeah, no, I find that nukes your battery in your pocket often. I love that 00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.120 There's a setting for it line is stop being wrong. What are you talking about? 00:31:52.600 --> 00:31:58.240 This is there is there a setting to turn down the volume and it will mute your ringer because I'd love for that to be a thing 00:31:58.760 --> 00:32:07.360 Hold on let's see. Let's see. Yes. Yes. Yeah, sure. Let me let me check. Let me check. I'm checking. I'm checking 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:16.480 Part of my problem is that I'm switching devices all the time So anything that's not default can be hard to hard to remember. Oh, yeah change with buttons. There you go 00:32:17.080 --> 00:32:22.480 So it's it's not the default But yes, you so yes, you can hold it down 00:32:23.560 --> 00:32:27.480 And change your ringtone and alerts volume with buttons very nice 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:35.000 All right, cool. I Still maintain the management on it is much more intuitive on Android 00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:40.280 Basically, what happens is it controls whatever is going on now and if nothing is going on now 00:32:40.280 --> 00:32:46.640 It controls your ringer and notification volume and then you can click a thing and then you get a full volume slider thing that comes out 00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.800 And you can adjust all your various volume sliders independently 00:32:49.840 --> 00:32:56.360 One thing that you still definitely can't do on iOS though is set a different volume for your notification and your ringer 00:32:56.560 --> 00:33:00.520 Which I find pretty annoying because I don't always want my notifications to be loud 00:33:00.520 --> 00:33:04.400 But sometimes I do want a phone call to be loud. Yeah 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.360 Yeah So whatever 00:33:08.360 --> 00:33:12.480 Good job Good job 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.720 Indeed Next topic maybe 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.760 Yeah, we'll see you guys want to talk about speaking of good job 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.400 This week's outage was brought to you by Cloudflare. Oh, yeah 00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:27.200 Yay, we all saw it coming. Yay 00:33:28.520 --> 00:33:35.320 Is it time for us to stop being so dependent on just like nope a couple of companies to 00:33:36.040 --> 00:33:40.720 Can't change anything to keep the entire internet running. They should merge. We need less 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:45.080 I know I know a bunch of chat is like yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Good. That will not happen 00:33:45.080 --> 00:33:50.280 I am sorry they the inertia is way too high. You can't unplug 00:33:51.040 --> 00:33:56.640 Cloudflare from the internet right now the tools to do the things that Cloudflare does 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.160 Outs that you're quite wrong. Look. Yeah. Okay. Good luck. Go have fun 00:34:00.760 --> 00:34:03.680 The tools to do the things that places like Cloudflare accomplish 00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.640 on a mass scale for everyone are not 00:34:09.600 --> 00:34:13.360 Good enough to be honest 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:18.000 There is there is certain things that can help you get away from it and we use a lot of that 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:26.400 But just saying like oh, yeah, every single site you can unplug Cloudflare. They've done it a couple times recently. Yeah, okay, I 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.640 Need you guys to consider the vastness of this 00:34:32.120 --> 00:34:39.040 Unplug Cloudflare Azure and AWS from the entire internet and see what happens 00:34:39.040 --> 00:34:46.040 What would even be left we just did what we just saw what happens and that was like a regional outage for the AWS thing, too 00:34:46.040 --> 00:34:56.560 that was like One small part of AWS. It wasn't even and trust me a huge part of float planes ethos is like using these platforms as little as possible 00:34:58.720 --> 00:35:06.280 Yes when the cloudflare outage happened Stuff with full plane we don't we we lean on a lot of different cloudflare things we do but we try to make it as 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.920 Unplugable and into something else as possible. Yeah failure unplug and plug into something else 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:18.880 Is the important part of what I'm talking about these types of systems this decentralization is 00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:26.800 How the internet works right now in grand scale the cost of doing it yourself both in employees in 00:35:27.120 --> 00:35:32.000 Hardware and everything else is very high. These companies are offering scale. They're offering expertise 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:36.840 They're offering resilience all these different things and there's a reason why so many people flock to them and there's a reason why 00:35:37.640 --> 00:35:42.600 Put it in the cloud is a lot less popular than it used to be because they're strangling everyone with price 00:35:43.040 --> 00:35:52.320 and then People are trying to float back But what's kind of winning right now as it often does is a hybrid model that's somewhere more in the middle 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.640 You have no cloud cloud comes in and everyone goes oh my god put everything in the cloud all the time 00:35:57.640 --> 00:36:01.160 Then there's a little outage and they're like wow we can't do anything 00:36:01.160 --> 00:36:06.640 Oh my goodness also like getting all of our data out of our cloud storage is wildly expensive 00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:11.560 They crank the price everything goes crazy. Then you go. Oh Maybe somewhere in here 00:36:11.600 --> 00:36:16.440 Floatplane tries to do a bit of hybrid right now the deal we have with cloud flare is very cost effective 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:20.520 So we are doing that but we can try to work with other people and we can go with other companies 00:36:20.520 --> 00:36:28.880 It doesn't just have to be three But these types of like one company leans on other ones to get things done is how the network's right now 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:35.800 Then there's a reason why if if you put all these three massive outages together. There's basically nothing left 00:36:36.080 --> 00:36:44.520 There's a reason why that's the case And just just saying like oh, yeah, you can unplug it all and it's all gonna magically work is just not 00:36:45.720 --> 00:36:52.960 True or it's not true now. Yeah, it could be true five years from now was true in the past 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:59.320 Yes, but right now the way that it the way that it works if you want to have a website that like is 00:37:00.080 --> 00:37:04.040 Reasonably reliable and doesn't just get like DDoS to high hell all the time 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:11.560 You're you're basically using these services that's a current paradigm of being DDoS to high hell all the time is like 00:37:12.240 --> 00:37:18.000 Exactly what I'm talking about this the the the wall someone in Philippine chat just worded it 00:37:20.720 --> 00:37:29.720 Yep, I don't see it anymore But the needing the resiliency to absorb a lot of this type of stuff was a massive problem back in the day 00:37:29.720 --> 00:37:33.880 Oh, yeah sites would go down all the time dude 00:37:34.040 --> 00:37:39.040 Just stuff would go down all the time one vindictive customer. Yeah would take down a site 00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:47.200 Whenever and and the scale the scale with which you can attack services now is only 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:56.920 Increasing tons of houses in BC have like three gig internet connections coming to their house up and down like oh my goodness dude 00:37:57.040 --> 00:38:01.480 Hold on someone just someone just sent me this apparently. There's a 00:38:02.200 --> 00:38:05.880 Hold on hold on. Also. Yeah, someone in flipping chat just said Andre B 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:12.000 Just said and what companies you lean on also lean on those companies as well. Yeah, much like the stock market 00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:17.680 Which I think we're gonna talk about a little bit later a lot of not financial advice a lot of this stuff intertwines 00:38:18.200 --> 00:38:20.520 It flows together and it's it's 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:23.840 It's crazy 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.320 Let me see if I can find this okay, okay. I think I got it. I think I got it up 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:33.960 So this was this was sent to me earlier this week by Marty Karim 00:38:35.080 --> 00:38:43.880 a Staff signals engineer at security scorecard. We published a research on a campaign. We're calling operation WRT hug 00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:48.240 So check check this out check this out so 00:38:48.240 --> 00:38:57.960 It's an operation that's hijacking tens of thousands of older ASUS WRT home and small office home office routers 00:38:58.720 --> 00:39:01.480 Using them as orb-style relay infrastructure 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:08.920 So apparently there's a mesh of infected dad routers. They're calling them spread across Taiwan the US 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.200 Russia Southeast Asia and Europe and 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:17.880 These kinds of this kind of no longer getting updates 00:39:19.240 --> 00:39:23.240 connected infrastructure smart home devices 00:39:24.120 --> 00:39:26.480 IOT devices that are all over the place 00:39:27.560 --> 00:39:32.960 coupled with the enormous pipes that are available for like 00:39:33.600 --> 00:39:36.080 run-of-the-mill residential connections 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:41.760 creates just Unfathomable 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:50.080 unfathomable scale of of attack if it if it's used in a coordinated fashion like you want you want to take 00:39:50.600 --> 00:39:53.640 500,000 IPs hitting you for 15 terabits per second good 00:39:54.720 --> 00:39:57.760 Luck like nah, bro. Like it's crazy 00:39:58.560 --> 00:40:05.840 To be fair people dealt with this stuff back in the day They did but their sites would just go down all the time and so and so the only 00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:10.920 Solution that we've found so far. We collectively have found is 00:40:12.240 --> 00:40:16.280 massive scale and That's what cloud flare did is they built 00:40:17.040 --> 00:40:26.160 Massive scale to absorb these attacks and turn that into their entire business model knowing that this botnet or or this 00:40:26.160 --> 00:40:30.240 You know web of of zombie devices or whatever can't 00:40:31.040 --> 00:40:35.320 Attack everyone at once so as long as we're big enough to absorb 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.880 You know one big attack or as long as we're big enough to absorb it 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:44.980 Long enough that they run out of money because a lot of the time it's this is not even like like hackers 00:40:45.100 --> 00:40:49.500 Thanks for the link handyman hackers doing this a lot of the time. This is just pay to play 00:40:52.100 --> 00:40:57.780 Like bot attacks where they'll where people will actually just rent someone's network 00:40:58.260 --> 00:41:05.060 Yeah, so yeah, so it's not necessarily a hacker like deciding. Yeah, the target is it can be it can be it can be 00:41:05.060 --> 00:41:08.860 But sometimes it's like you said it's it's paid for it's DDoS as a service 00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:16.320 It's like it's amazing what an industry just like being in there do well can has turned into or I mean really 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:21.940 Realistically has been forever, but long as the internet's been a thing. Yeah, so it's like I don't know man 00:41:21.940 --> 00:41:26.180 We we can't just rent to Pone. Is that a thing charge nuclei? 00:41:26.180 --> 00:41:33.220 Or did you come up with that super sounds like it's got to be a thing rent to rent to Pone if it's not I mean I 00:41:34.100 --> 00:41:41.860 Feel like it's okay Helen Keller in Floatplane chat says it is but how would you have seen that? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? 00:41:43.300 --> 00:41:46.240 How would you have ever heard of that? Okay, that's not funny 00:41:48.540 --> 00:41:57.940 Shout out Helen Keller. Oh Dang, yeah, why would you laugh at that? What's wrong with you? I actual social social social path 00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:04.580 My lips are really sore today. I I had a couple did your teeth are yellow 00:42:04.580 --> 00:42:08.820 I had a couple really sleepless nights this week and when I don't sleep well 00:42:08.820 --> 00:42:14.380 I tend to get like mouth ulcers not cold source. That's a different thing mouth ulcers 00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:22.100 And what happens is the the brackets will like hook into them and like rip them up and it's like 00:42:22.620 --> 00:42:25.420 Yeah, my lips are really really swollen right now 00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:30.740 What I want to know what's funny 00:42:31.620 --> 00:42:37.580 Nothing man Anyways, all I'm saying is like it's it's really not that simple, and I don't know what the future is gonna look like 00:42:37.580 --> 00:42:40.360 You know, maybe we maybe we aren't relying on these things. There is 00:42:41.020 --> 00:42:49.060 So much money behind the idea of keeping these things around that I'd be a little surprised if we were able to move past it and 00:42:49.780 --> 00:42:59.860 ultimately the Uptime that most sites get from these things and by these things I'm generally referring there are many others when I'm generally referring to 00:42:59.860 --> 00:43:06.900 Azure AWS and Cloudflare the uptime benefit that a lot of people have from working with these groups is 00:43:07.220 --> 00:43:11.260 so much higher than the impact when they go down and I 00:43:12.140 --> 00:43:18.580 Need you to listen to me when I say this this part's very very important. Are you laughing at them? 00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:24.940 Nope making oral sex jokes about me. Totally not because I'm not gonna take this 00:43:25.620 --> 00:43:31.620 Okay, I'm not gonna have this I'm not gonna have a bunch of float goats. Okay talking to me about 00:43:32.500 --> 00:43:34.980 Throat pain the platform they use 00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:51.300 Was I even saying oh, yeah, okay the thing I need you to hear this part's very important 00:43:52.140 --> 00:43:56.580 When your service goes down If you can go yeah, but look 00:43:57.820 --> 00:44:03.180 It's a Zürer or AWS or a Cloudflare and like a third of the internet is down 00:44:04.380 --> 00:44:14.060 Almost everyone's gonna shrug it off If your service goes down and you're hosting everything yourself, you look terrible. They're gonna be mad at you 00:44:14.060 --> 00:44:19.180 Yeah, which one? Which which one which one are you gonna choose? 00:44:20.060 --> 00:44:23.340 Is it getting blamed for everything and it actually being your fault all the time? 00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:29.220 Or is it being able to point at the big nebulous thing that no one's really gonna be able to go blame or do anything about anyways a 00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:36.420 Lot of IT professionals are gonna pick the one where they can point at the giant company that just took down a third of the internet anyways 00:44:36.500 --> 00:44:43.300 So you are you are not alone You will also have comments if your system has comments or people talking about it 00:44:43.300 --> 00:44:48.780 You'll have someone going oh my god I can't believe this thing is down and then there will be replies to it saying oh actually 00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:53.700 It's just AWS being down parts me hard says can confirm 30% of my customer base was down 00:44:53.700 --> 00:44:59.660 So so much easier to pass the buck. Yes. Yeah, should we actually read through the topic that was prepared for us by this 00:44:59.660 --> 00:45:03.780 All of the drama for you Jordan block. Yes, we should because I it looks like you honestly did a fantastic 00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:06.060 Yeah, you just like started talking about sorry 00:45:06.820 --> 00:45:09.620 The thing we've been talking about for the last 15 minutes 00:45:10.140 --> 00:45:17.060 Yeah This week's out is brought to you by cloud flare x chat gpt spotify and countless other sites and services including Floatplane 00:45:17.060 --> 00:45:21.820 We're unavailable this week ours was only partially which I think actually made people more confused 00:45:21.820 --> 00:45:28.700 But hey, it is what it is. We're unavailable this week after problems that infrastructure provider cloud flare cloud flare offers DDoS 00:45:28.700 --> 00:45:32.860 protection bot mitigation content delivery and so much more so much more 00:45:33.700 --> 00:45:40.620 to more than 24 Million active websites and services. Yeah, we can't just unplug it. I swear 00:45:40.940 --> 00:45:46.940 It's estimated that at least 20% of the web uses cloud flare infrastructure to some degree 00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:56.540 The outage comes after outages on Microsoft's Azure and Amazon's AWS platforms brought down large chunks of the internet in the latter weeks of 00:45:57.100 --> 00:46:04.460 October and then Almost everyone I talked to was like wouldn't it be crazy if cloud flare went down too and then it did 00:46:05.380 --> 00:46:10.740 That was funny this week's outage was triggered by a permissions change that ultimately caused a 00:46:11.700 --> 00:46:17.340 Database to output duplicate entries into what cloud flare cause its feature file 00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:24.780 Used by their bot management system the feature file basically contains a list of traits used by the bot management systems machine 00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:28.940 Learning model to make a prediction about whether a given request was automated or not 00:46:28.940 --> 00:46:36.180 This file is refreshed every few minutes and is published to cloud flares entire network to ensure that they're able to quickly react to 00:46:36.180 --> 00:46:40.300 Changing internet conditions including new types of bots and bot attacks 00:46:40.300 --> 00:46:47.300 This thing is very important the feature file is meant to contain a limited number of these features and the bot management system like other 00:46:47.300 --> 00:46:53.740 Modules has a specific amount of memory pre-allocated on cloud flares proxies for performance reasons that makes sense 00:46:53.780 --> 00:46:57.620 Especially when you're at scale the larger than expected feature file 00:46:57.620 --> 00:47:03.060 However caused the bot management system to go past this memory limit causing the threads to panic and 00:47:03.900 --> 00:47:12.540 Ultimately resulted in a 5xx error, you know, it's funny how like the more things change the more things stay the same 00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.900 like my 00:47:16.900 --> 00:47:22.820 my friend in elementary school's dad was like a hyper geeky guy and he had 00:47:23.180 --> 00:47:28.900 He had this he had this shirt that he was just like, you know, you know that shirt 00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:33.580 That's like so covered in coffee stains and like is full of holes 00:47:34.060 --> 00:47:39.140 But you just still wear it all the time because it's just your favorite shirt. Yeah, so yeah on the front 00:47:39.140 --> 00:47:41.500 It just said insufficient memory at this time 00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:49.180 And it worked really well because he was just like he was just kind of a space cadet the kind of guy like super super nice guy 00:47:49.180 --> 00:47:56.260 Super nice guy love him But he's just you know, he's just like kind of like sorry, what were we talking about like just you know a 00:47:57.500 --> 00:48:01.580 Guy who's relatable to me. Yeah, I get I get it, you know, I connect 00:48:02.380 --> 00:48:08.900 And I just I I thought it was funny at the time like kind of because you know memory overflow 00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:14.680 Issues were not really as much of a thing because we had page files and stuff by the time I got into computers and 00:48:15.380 --> 00:48:19.300 yet here we are all these years later and 00:48:19.740 --> 00:48:26.340 And You know, oops, sorry that we we out we overflowed ours, but pre-allocated memory 00:48:26.900 --> 00:48:29.780 Sorry internet. It's the whole internet. Yeah 00:48:30.220 --> 00:48:36.900 Yeah, the the that impacted other systems that rely on the proxies and ultimately caused the outage 00:48:37.180 --> 00:48:41.940 While the Cloudflare team responded within just four minutes of the errors occurring 00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:45.740 It was ultimately about five and a half hours before things were back to normal not too surprising 00:48:46.740 --> 00:48:54.220 Many Dowdy CEO of internet performance monitoring platform catch point told the Verge that the recent string of high-profile 00:48:54.420 --> 00:48:57.540 Outages should be a wake-up call for companies 00:48:57.940 --> 00:49:01.060 Everybody's putting all their eggs in one bath. Oh, this is sorry. This is a quote 00:49:01.180 --> 00:49:05.060 Everybody's putting all their eggs in one basket and then they're surprised when there's a problem 00:49:05.580 --> 00:49:10.260 Dowdy says it's on the company's side to make sure that they have redundancy and 00:49:11.220 --> 00:49:16.580 resiliency Sure, sorry, bro. I don't think pretty much anything's gonna change because of this 00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:21.980 But but good quote as because I mean, okay, we're just double all the cost anyways 00:49:22.180 --> 00:49:28.180 As usual Cloudflare's blog gives a ton of detail on exactly how this played out and it's 00:49:28.780 --> 00:49:33.220 Yeah, as per usual. It's really good. Check it out if you want to learn more. That's weird 00:49:33.220 --> 00:49:37.100 I thought when I collapse a topic it collapses it on your screen, too. I 00:49:38.100 --> 00:49:44.580 Just collapsed to that topic That's weird. I did not know that that didn't sink. Is that a new thing for Google Docs? 00:49:44.580 --> 00:49:48.540 I don't know speaking of new things for Google Docs. This isn't new 00:49:48.540 --> 00:49:54.660 But do you guys remember when on touchscreen devices you could zoom Google Docs because I do can they just bring that back, please? 00:49:54.660 --> 00:49:59.900 I'd really love that. Thanks. If there's anyone from Google watching that'd be super cool 00:50:01.140 --> 00:50:05.020 What are we supposed to be doing Dan? We've done two topics. He walked away. He walked away. He's not even there 00:50:05.980 --> 00:50:13.980 We have no producer We have complete freedom to do anything we want watch this I'm gonna I'm gonna switch between all the different cameras 00:50:29.780 --> 00:50:34.260 Why don't we do the bad news do you want to hear the bad news? Yeah 00:50:35.660 --> 00:50:37.660 Which one? 00:50:39.380 --> 00:50:45.180 Wait, no, no, we should do the CW announcements. Okay, so guys 00:50:45.580 --> 00:50:50.500 It's been a pretty sick time to shop on LTT Store.com and 00:50:51.420 --> 00:50:53.740 It's gonna be even sicker 00:50:54.540 --> 00:50:56.540 So 00:51:01.020 --> 00:51:06.220 We still have our loot drop running right now holiday loot drop 00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:15.580 I just chatted with with Dave this morning and he confirmed that the way things are going right now 00:51:15.820 --> 00:51:19.900 So I don't know if you remember this, but we advertised an approximate 00:51:20.540 --> 00:51:26.860 Odds of winning that we were guessing at based on order quantities. Uh, does it say approximate? Yep 00:51:27.580 --> 00:51:34.860 Approximately one in every ten qualifying orders will be randomly selected as a winner. That's what we said. Okay. It looks like 00:51:35.740 --> 00:51:41.740 Assuming nothing goes absolutely bat crazy over the next little bit. We are going to meet that. Okay. Yeah 00:51:41.740 --> 00:51:47.900 So our concern was that we might have so many smaller orders that 00:51:48.220 --> 00:51:52.700 All the mail that that yeah that the that the odds of winning would go down a lot 00:51:52.860 --> 00:51:59.740 Yeah, but it looks like we are going to meet that so far. Nice. So it's a one in ten chance of getting a 00:52:00.620 --> 00:52:06.140 Um, what is it? I forget. It's uh, it's uh, I really want to get this right 00:52:07.020 --> 00:52:09.020 Uh, hold on 00:52:10.060 --> 00:52:14.460 But but Here we go 00:52:14.460 --> 00:52:20.300 Okay, approximately one in every ten qualifying orders is expected to win a pair of sennheiser hd 550 headphones 00:52:20.700 --> 00:52:27.340 And approximately one in every hundred qualifying orders is expected to win an ASUS rog xbox ally x 00:52:27.980 --> 00:52:32.220 So we have this promo running right now for orders over 00:52:33.260 --> 00:52:35.900 $100 your order will be automatically entered 00:52:36.300 --> 00:52:43.420 Uh into the holiday loot drop upon checkout. So in other news, we also have some products 00:52:43.420 --> 00:52:48.300 Do you want to actually bring up the site so that I can read the thing because I can I did I'm done once nice 00:52:48.460 --> 00:52:54.860 What a guy luke laptop boom just like that Uh, this week's drop is oh wait. No, we have other things running too 00:52:55.180 --> 00:52:59.660 So in addition to the thermochromic jack or okay, you know what let's do the thermochromic jacket first 00:52:59.980 --> 00:53:04.140 This is the only jacket that literally shows off how hot you are 00:53:04.620 --> 00:53:12.220 The outer shell uses a heat reactive fabric that shifts from red when cool to yellow when it's warm 00:53:12.620 --> 00:53:20.300 So you get kind of a um You get kind of if you're if you're warm very warm, it'll pass through a little bit 00:53:20.620 --> 00:53:27.020 But realistically what happens more often is if someone touches it like if you're if you're 00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:31.500 You know, you have your hand around someone and you have a hand on their shoulder or whatever 00:53:31.820 --> 00:53:36.060 It leaves like cool hand prints and stuff. It's pretty fun to play with 00:53:36.620 --> 00:53:40.220 We have a heat gun. We have one of the jackets. We can play around with it a little bit 00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:43.820 And as cool as it looks it's functional too 00:53:43.980 --> 00:53:48.620 It's built with a water resistant heat reactive shell water resistant ykk zippers 00:53:49.020 --> 00:53:52.860 Warm recycled insulation water resist. Oh this also and an adjustable hood 00:53:53.020 --> 00:53:57.500 Does it go kind of reverse like if you're really hot and then you walk out into the rain? 00:53:57.820 --> 00:54:06.700 Do you see like cold spots? You okay, so here's the thing. I don't know how it works. You would have to because the insulation's on the inside 00:54:07.660 --> 00:54:14.140 Right, so your heat doesn't pass through it too much under normal circumstances. Yeah 00:54:14.540 --> 00:54:19.580 No, no, no, sorry. I mean like say you're indoors somewhere. I understand if you're an extremely warm running boy 00:54:20.380 --> 00:54:26.060 You might be able to get it to turn yellow on the outside, but it'll mostly be in like the creases and stuff 00:54:26.300 --> 00:54:31.100 So here I'll put this on and I'll wear it for a while nice and then and then you guys will see 00:54:31.420 --> 00:54:37.740 It's mostly a party trick though Yeah, if we're like I want to be honest with you guys, right? It's mostly a party trick 00:54:37.740 --> 00:54:43.020 I was just wondering it basically does it go in reverse. So when it's cold if you apply heat it turns pretty quick 00:54:43.660 --> 00:54:52.460 Okay, all right. We're gonna try nice Wait, we have a heat gun and a water sprayer. I didn't know that to be clear. I knew we had the heat gun 00:54:52.460 --> 00:54:54.460 I didn't know we had a spray bottle 00:54:58.060 --> 00:55:02.940 Uh-oh Oh, I see 00:55:04.380 --> 00:55:06.380 Oh 00:55:08.140 --> 00:55:14.860 All right, I've actually been wearing this quite a bit over the last little bit. It's um, it's just kind of like uh, here hold on 00:55:23.820 --> 00:55:27.260 It's kind of kind of a nice little nice little jacket adjustable hood 00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:31.900 Um, all right, so it feels kind of in the current fashion 00:55:32.540 --> 00:55:41.740 Because it feels kind of like Early 2000s, which is popular popular with the young ins these days, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like we have a fashion team 00:55:41.900 --> 00:55:48.060 Yeah, um We're also rolling into the cooler months with two fresh colorways of our blank 00:55:48.700 --> 00:55:54.540 Long sleeve shirt the deep red melange that i'm wearing line is can 00:55:55.180 --> 00:56:05.020 So you can kind of see it. It's a melange And the black aqua melange that luke is wearing perfect for perfect for layering and styling during the fall season 00:56:05.020 --> 00:56:08.940 You should explain melange. Oh, it's uh, basically you have 00:56:09.660 --> 00:56:14.300 um Two different dies and the whole thing is woven together to make the fabric 00:56:14.300 --> 00:56:18.220 So when you look at it really close like luke is doing over on his laptop there, there you go 00:56:18.620 --> 00:56:23.900 That's a melange fabric. See that Very nice. Very nice. You want to switch over to the blue aqua 00:56:24.620 --> 00:56:31.260 You can shop the collection at LMG.gg slash long sleeve and now's as good a time as any 00:56:31.740 --> 00:56:37.100 To stock up on our apparel with our buy more save more apparel sale, which is running till november 26th 00:56:37.420 --> 00:56:45.820 The more you buy the more you save up to 25 percent with five plus items. This has been an absolutely killer 00:56:46.540 --> 00:56:49.420 Uh promo for the store people are absolutely 00:56:50.140 --> 00:56:56.140 Loving it. They're they're loading up on a bunch of the apparel It's uh, I think it's cool because you can freaking awesome. You can mix and match with like 00:56:56.940 --> 00:57:00.540 I mean, I'm pretty sure it's all clothing items, right? Pretty much. It's close 00:57:00.860 --> 00:57:03.740 Even some even new stuff like wan hoodie and stuff like that wan hoodie 00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:10.300 We're see if we go to here. You can see all the not necessarily all the white tags, but when it says buy more save more 00:57:10.300 --> 00:57:14.460 It's included in the thing. Yeah, and it's like It's a lot of stuff 00:57:14.460 --> 00:57:20.460 Well, I know a big struggle for people with our store is compared to stores that just like do free shipping 00:57:20.780 --> 00:57:25.020 Or like prime shipping or whatever else I know that the the shipping can be a real challenge 00:57:25.100 --> 00:57:29.420 But if you're loading up on five things then you're saving a bunch on the items themselves 00:57:29.420 --> 00:57:31.900 Then that can help to offset the shipping. So I think this is kind of 00:57:32.620 --> 00:57:36.220 Helping people break through that That friction 00:57:36.220 --> 00:57:41.980 Break through that kind of shipping barrier and try a bunch more of the stuff which is pretty cool. So if we had socks 00:57:42.860 --> 00:57:45.820 Uh, you could do an entire outfit because you can do pants 00:57:46.220 --> 00:57:49.980 Uh, I mean you could even do a hat you can do pants underwear shirt 00:57:50.060 --> 00:57:53.100 You can do all of those things. I am wearing nothing 00:57:53.580 --> 00:58:01.420 But LTT right now Including those these I don't are you gonna show this we're not this is not the final design 00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:07.340 How long dude for socks. Yeah soon. I want to do a refresh of mine soon the uh 00:58:08.540 --> 00:58:12.620 Have you have you tried the prototypes? No the most recent ones. Um 00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:19.260 They're like, okay Have we talked about the socks? Yeah, uh quite a while ago. Yes 00:58:19.740 --> 00:58:23.260 Okay, um We talked about like 00:58:23.260 --> 00:58:28.060 We were talking about the the different like you want to I don't know weave or knit or something 00:58:28.540 --> 00:58:31.020 Different amounts across the sock because of like 00:58:31.740 --> 00:58:35.740 Zones like where your toes are where's where a heel is all this kind of stuff and they need to be done differently 00:58:35.820 --> 00:58:39.500 Blah blah blah. We talked about that on my jersele says you have but not in detail 00:58:39.980 --> 00:58:48.060 Okay, they are they are Going to be freaking awesome because for me because they're going to be exactly what I want 00:58:49.020 --> 00:58:53.500 Surve says are they soft or are they more rough? I can't do soft socks 00:58:54.140 --> 00:58:57.660 They're more of like a utility like 00:58:57.660 --> 00:59:05.020 durable Practical sock, so they're not going to be the softest sock in the world. They're a marino blend 00:59:05.340 --> 00:59:13.740 So they have real wool in them Which means you're not going to get like like like a like a fleece feeling like a super super soft feeling from them 00:59:14.140 --> 00:59:21.500 um, but You know, I don't necessarily like too much stretch or too much 00:59:22.300 --> 00:59:28.220 Like softness in a sock because what I can what I find is that it can make it so that 00:59:28.540 --> 00:59:33.740 Your foot can move too much in your shoe and I can actually get blisters, especially when playing sports 00:59:34.380 --> 00:59:37.340 Um, so they're going to be super wicking 00:59:37.980 --> 00:59:45.740 Super antimicrobial Thanks to a copper treatment that we're getting. Um, that's actually uh through a partner in canada here 00:59:46.620 --> 00:59:53.660 Um They're going to be Stretchy but not too stretchy. They're going to have variety a variety of different 00:59:54.300 --> 00:59:58.220 Weave styles, so there's going to be like more breathable ones on the top 01:00:05.180 --> 01:00:07.180 um, I am like 01:00:08.300 --> 01:00:12.940 So excited. We're finally We're finally doing it 01:00:13.660 --> 01:00:18.540 Chat is uh yelling at me to when they come out buy them before they sell out again 01:00:19.020 --> 01:00:21.580 Yeah, because I never get anything off the store 01:00:22.540 --> 01:00:27.180 I do feel like this is something that we are going to stock pretty heavy 01:00:27.900 --> 01:00:33.500 Because we know like we've been talking about this project for like three or four years now or something like that 01:00:33.980 --> 01:00:44.140 I think I think this is going to be it I think this is the last project that was assigned to Bridget when she started 01:00:46.540 --> 01:00:49.980 And I think she's going to be coming up on her five years 01:00:50.780 --> 01:00:53.740 Not that long from now, which to be clear is not because 01:00:54.860 --> 01:00:59.580 Bridget did a bad job at any stage Bridget's amazing love working with Bridget 01:00:59.580 --> 01:01:03.420 We actually did an AMD upgrade for her a little while ago and 01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:11.420 I even just like watching back at the video of us. I was like, oh, that's so fun. I love hanging out with Bridget like she's great 01:01:11.980 --> 01:01:19.980 and um I am just an extremely difficult customer when it comes to what I put on my feet. I can be kind of 01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:25.740 I can be kind of sensory defensive and um 01:01:25.740 --> 01:01:28.780 If I don't like something it can be very binary 01:01:29.660 --> 01:01:37.260 Yes, I like it No, I don't like it get rid of it. And so it yeah, it can be it can be pretty tough 01:01:37.660 --> 01:01:43.180 um, and between her and and tachiana and the rest of the fashion team they've like 01:01:43.820 --> 01:01:46.060 I had given up. I told them forget it 01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:52.220 At a number of points and they were just like no and they're just like no, we're gonna 01:01:52.940 --> 01:01:57.180 We'll backburner it, but we're gonna keep trying. What are your thoughts on sock warranty? 01:01:58.060 --> 01:02:00.060 So 01:02:02.300 --> 01:02:06.300 Basically the question becomes how much do you guys want to pay for it? 01:02:07.180 --> 01:02:15.420 Because there's no free lunch Right. No, so if we do but if it's a high-end sock at these amount of competitors have I know high-end 01:02:15.500 --> 01:02:22.540 I know So so really what it comes down to is how we want to position it because what we could do is we could say hey 01:02:23.260 --> 01:02:28.060 This is a high-end sock that is very competitive with other very high-end socks 01:02:29.100 --> 01:02:31.980 But our price is going to be more palatable 01:02:32.460 --> 01:02:35.580 And there's no warranty, but we're not going to do like the crazy warranty 01:02:36.380 --> 01:02:39.900 Or okay, not no warranty. Hold on relax. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no 01:02:43.100 --> 01:02:49.660 I felt it coming or or We bake it in because those are those are the only two options and realistically 01:02:50.380 --> 01:02:54.060 Our our model up until now has been that we bake it into everything 01:02:54.540 --> 01:02:59.660 Because that's the trust me bro guarantee. Yeah, because realistically I don't really have a choice 01:02:59.740 --> 01:03:02.860 Which is exactly the point that I was trying to make all those years ago 01:03:03.340 --> 01:03:09.900 I don't really have a choice And I was so validated by the way that people freaked out about it 01:03:10.460 --> 01:03:16.620 Because the second I even talked about not having a plan yet for how we were going to do warranty for something 01:03:16.780 --> 01:03:19.420 I got my head bit off on what sorry on the backpack 01:03:19.900 --> 01:03:23.660 The backpack timeline you don't fully remember correctly. This has been broken down 01:03:23.820 --> 01:03:27.500 But that was part of my point was whether I like it or not 01:03:27.900 --> 01:03:32.860 We don't we don't have the option right right like as long as as long as I am here 01:03:33.660 --> 01:03:41.340 The pr damage Of us not taking care of people. I do agree is going to vastly outweigh 01:03:42.140 --> 01:03:46.140 Any kind of benefit that we would get from not replacing your sock. Yep 01:03:46.700 --> 01:03:50.540 Like it's not really a question Right 01:03:50.540 --> 01:03:56.700 I mean, do you disagree? No, but I don't also disagree that you should have just done a warranty in the first place with the backpack 01:03:56.860 --> 01:04:01.100 Sure, but you should just figure out your correct stance And if your stance is going to be that I'm going to replace it anyways 01:04:01.100 --> 01:04:04.620 Then you just give people the proper warranty. This is that but here's the well hold on 01:04:04.700 --> 01:04:09.340 But okay, so you're forgetting a detail though because our written warranty that people 01:04:10.140 --> 01:04:13.900 Read about that they wanted so badly does not say that 01:04:14.860 --> 01:04:18.940 Uh, no, I know. Yeah, it doesn't say that. Yeah, but if you're going to say that for the socks 01:04:19.340 --> 01:04:23.660 So we're not going to say that for the socks because no company would be crazy enough to do that 01:04:24.140 --> 01:04:27.420 They do that was Who? 01:04:27.420 --> 01:04:31.180 I'm pretty I know fjallraven does that with multiple things. Oh, I know 01:04:31.740 --> 01:04:37.260 Osprey does that with bags. Okay, so then again So so there's multiple facets of this right because 01:04:37.980 --> 01:04:42.940 They might say that but ultimately what it comes down to when it comes down to it 01:04:43.020 --> 01:04:46.300 It's it's their ability and their willingness to fulfill it 01:04:46.620 --> 01:04:53.340 I think a few of these companies have like long-term examples of doing that over time like all the ones that I named and that's reputation 01:04:53.420 --> 01:04:56.460 Yes, but these companies might not exist forever for sure 01:04:56.540 --> 01:04:59.660 But I don't think that's a reason to not do it and if they ever did 01:05:00.300 --> 01:05:04.220 Make a serious strategic error in their products and they were ever 01:05:04.860 --> 01:05:08.300 Unable to fulfill it. You simply like wouldn't get a replacement 01:05:08.700 --> 01:05:12.220 Which is exactly what I was talking about when I was trying to figure out. Okay 01:05:12.780 --> 01:05:20.860 What would a system look like? By which our commitment whatever commitment it is that we make could survive any event 01:05:21.660 --> 01:05:27.500 Which was the whole point of what I was talking about is whatever we lay down whatever we lay down in writing 01:05:27.740 --> 01:05:34.380 It should be something that we can actually Commit to and you know as the weird influencer company 01:05:34.860 --> 01:05:41.100 Rather than like a physical goods company that has 50 years of history or whatever to to lean into or has 01:05:41.500 --> 01:05:43.900 You know it is publicly held, right? 01:05:44.540 --> 01:05:52.460 Like if I die The ownership of Linus media group all of a sudden becomes a major question. Yeah, and Linus media groups 01:05:53.100 --> 01:05:56.780 Legal obligations become a major question, right? 01:05:59.020 --> 01:06:05.980 So the the whole point of it was like, okay What would that what would that look like as long as I'm here and as long as I'm breathing 01:06:06.540 --> 01:06:09.820 Then it would be crazy for us to not just take care of people 01:06:09.820 --> 01:06:12.700 And if I'm not what does that look like? 01:06:13.340 --> 01:06:18.540 And what people wanted was hey here's some platitudes and so we gave it to them 01:06:18.940 --> 01:06:23.260 Sure, but at the end of the day what our actions are are the trust me bro guarantee 01:06:23.500 --> 01:06:29.260 Yeah, but going above and beyond is good. Of course, right? Of course should have never meant that you didn't have a warranty to begin with 01:06:29.260 --> 01:06:35.020 But and another detail that a lot of people miss is we never launched the product without a warranty in place 01:06:35.020 --> 01:06:39.660 I think we did no we didn't I'm pretty sure we did I promise you let me go try to find it 01:06:40.060 --> 01:06:46.140 Nobody was nobody received a single backpack. I think they did without a warranty or maybe received it 01:06:46.140 --> 01:06:49.660 Maybe we started sales before it was there. We start. I think we started sign-ups 01:06:51.180 --> 01:06:54.700 But we never took money until we actually had the product in stock 01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:58.700 So it's one of those things where it was a theoretical 01:06:59.420 --> 01:07:01.420 It was a theoretical issue 01:07:02.460 --> 01:07:05.980 It's gonna take me a while to find it. Yeah, that's that's fine. Um 01:07:06.700 --> 01:07:08.860 The point is for the socks 01:07:10.540 --> 01:07:14.300 Realistically, I don't know if we have 01:07:15.020 --> 01:07:17.580 I don't know if we really have a choice 01:07:18.220 --> 01:07:26.220 I think we pretty much have to Kind of bake it in whether we explicitly include that in a warranty or not 01:07:26.940 --> 01:07:30.700 Is what it is what it kind of boils down to it. Does that does that kind of make sense? 01:07:31.660 --> 01:07:37.020 And that that logic has always been consistent from day one of the store 01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:39.980 The customer care teams instructions have always been 01:07:40.540 --> 01:07:43.740 Within reason Make it right 01:07:43.740 --> 01:07:50.460 Take care take care of the customer. Yeah, and there are cases where they do say no because it's like not reasonable 01:07:53.660 --> 01:07:59.900 But in most cases, you know, if it if it is a if it is actually anything wrong with the product that you bought 01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:02.460 Then the instructions are take care of it 01:08:06.540 --> 01:08:09.500 No, I'm not researching immortality Ikea cherry 01:08:13.740 --> 01:08:18.620 Like what I what do you expect in terms of like a sock warranty? That's another that's another thing 01:08:18.620 --> 01:08:21.340 I'm kind of curious about I honestly before I 01:08:22.460 --> 01:08:25.580 found like marina wool socks and 01:08:26.060 --> 01:08:31.020 companies like icebreaker and darn tough that I don't know about icebreakers warranty, but 01:08:31.820 --> 01:08:38.220 Honestly osprey darn tough all these different brands that have lifetime warranties. I never would have expected any of them existed 01:08:39.020 --> 01:08:42.140 I'm very surprised that any of them exist. I'm not saying that they shouldn't 01:08:42.380 --> 01:08:48.220 I'm just really surprised that they do. I assumed if you bought a wool sock and you put a hole in it 01:08:49.980 --> 01:08:54.780 14 years later that You put a hole in your sock and you should get a new sock 01:08:55.100 --> 01:09:01.740 But that's apparently Not a thing at a certain point like someone in chat even said they had a darn tough sock that was like five years 01:09:01.740 --> 01:09:04.940 Older something you got a hole in it. They shipped it to darn tough and they got new socks back 01:09:05.180 --> 01:09:08.620 Now my understanding of the darn tough warranty is that that's a one-time thing 01:09:09.180 --> 01:09:14.780 per purchase So so even even I have no idea. Yeah, even an unconditional 01:09:15.500 --> 01:09:24.140 You know warranty That doesn't necessarily mean I because I think I think you know that when I bought my whole wardrobe worth of darn tough socks 01:09:24.700 --> 01:09:28.460 Um, because I love darn tough socks regardless of whether, you know 01:09:28.460 --> 01:09:35.980 We're going to sell our own or like compete with them or whatever Like if we could have partnered with darn tough and just you know re-randed darn tough I'd have been down to do it 01:09:35.980 --> 01:09:40.220 I love their product. It's a great product. Remember. Did you guys try? We've reached out to them 01:09:40.220 --> 01:09:45.340 But for you know one reason or another that is no fault of theirs and no I mean they don't need to no fault of ours 01:09:45.340 --> 01:09:48.220 Not every partnership makes sense. No, I'm not blaming anybody 01:09:48.620 --> 01:09:53.020 But for whatever reason, you know, we didn't end up doing we didn't end up partnering with them on it 01:09:53.580 --> 01:10:00.220 Yeah, that's all I have to say about it But if we could have I would have and just because we're going to make our product doesn't mean that I'm not going to 01:10:00.300 --> 01:10:05.740 You know, honestly talk about another company's product that that I also really think is very high quality 01:10:06.140 --> 01:10:10.220 So yeah, darn tough makes a great product. My understanding is that it's it's one time 01:10:10.780 --> 01:10:13.580 um and if you if you go into 01:10:14.060 --> 01:10:16.380 Sort of the the fine details of it 01:10:17.260 --> 01:10:20.380 many warranties 01:10:20.940 --> 01:10:26.940 Do have Legal sort of um get out of jail free 01:10:27.980 --> 01:10:34.140 verbiage verbiage in them And you know, I like I get that because I think I told you my 01:10:34.940 --> 01:10:41.420 Like my devious plan when I bought two weeks worth of darn tough socks was that they would be the last socks that I ever bought 01:10:41.660 --> 01:10:44.860 Because I was just going to get 01:10:44.860 --> 01:10:47.980 Like warranty claim socks, uh for the rest of my life 01:10:48.700 --> 01:10:54.700 Um rather rather forward the brave in full plain chat said correct. You can only use it once per pair 01:10:55.020 --> 01:10:59.740 I probably buy one to three pairs per year and replace one to two pairs every one to two years 01:11:00.380 --> 01:11:03.420 All claims made in good faith will be considered 01:11:04.460 --> 01:11:11.340 So even It was what is that? That's that that's darn tough. Cool. Okay, so what people have to understand? 01:11:12.060 --> 01:11:21.180 Is that any warranty? It comes down to the company's willingness that everyone bakes in because your lawyers will not allow you 01:11:21.660 --> 01:11:25.420 To write a warranty that says I will be liable for every 01:11:26.140 --> 01:11:32.780 product I ship forever No sane lawyer would ever allow you to write that into a written warranty 01:11:33.740 --> 01:11:37.020 Um, I was trying to figure out if there was a way that we could do it 01:11:37.260 --> 01:11:43.980 People wanted something else so and and that's and that's valid 01:11:44.540 --> 01:11:49.900 Yeah, there's a there's a thread on the forum. Yeah, that says that when we recount this we get it slightly wrong 01:11:50.220 --> 01:11:55.340 And there they have wayback machines and archive.today links and links to the wancho and stuff 01:11:55.420 --> 01:12:02.220 And there's a link to three different wanchos all of which are well, okay. It's august 5th august 12th and august 18th 01:12:02.860 --> 01:12:06.860 of three years ago 01:12:06.940 --> 01:12:14.940 2022 And on the wayback machine you can see in a a archive of the backpack page 01:12:15.100 --> 01:12:17.820 Which has a add to cart for full price 01:12:18.460 --> 01:12:23.820 And and the amount of backpacks that were remaining in the wave that we were shipping at the time from august 4th 01:12:23.980 --> 01:12:27.980 Meaning they were on sale when we were still talking about having a warranty 01:12:29.260 --> 01:12:31.500 So this is the august 4th wayback machine 01:12:32.460 --> 01:12:36.700 250 bucks add to cart so it looks like it. Well, it does say backorder 01:12:36.860 --> 01:12:41.020 This is a backorder. Yeah, this is the back. So for both screwdriver and backpack 01:12:41.500 --> 01:12:45.100 We did kind of a weird thing where we I think we 01:12:47.260 --> 01:12:50.620 Did you check out but didn't I'm trying to remember how we did it for backpack 01:12:50.700 --> 01:12:53.740 So for screwdriver what we did was we did an in-person event 01:12:54.540 --> 01:12:58.860 Where we launched it I And then like a hundred people could buy it or something like that 01:12:58.940 --> 01:13:01.820 I'm fairly certain we did with the backpack like a thousand people could buy it 01:13:02.300 --> 01:13:05.260 You had a bunch there. Okay. So, you know what that's that's true then 01:13:05.340 --> 01:13:10.700 I guess the people who bought it in person technically did buy it before we had finalized it, but I think there's also 01:13:11.580 --> 01:13:15.020 This thing, right? There's whatever this is. This is a backorder shipping yet 01:13:15.820 --> 01:13:22.220 Yeah, right, but that means they bought it. So they didn't receive it, but they bought it pre-warranty. They gave us money 01:13:23.420 --> 01:13:25.580 Yes, which was fully refundable 01:13:26.700 --> 01:13:31.740 And we were pending figuring it out, which I always said from the beginning. I said we're gonna figure it out 01:13:31.900 --> 01:13:35.100 I'm just saying I'm just saying there's I saw this thread forever. That's true 01:13:35.340 --> 01:13:38.860 From flaming otter on the forum and they did some good research 01:13:39.580 --> 01:13:45.500 Uh, and they they linked the wayback machine archive.org and and date stamped all these wanshows and all this kind of stuff 01:13:45.580 --> 01:13:52.540 And I had I had kind of forgotten the exact order of events. So I I appreciated this was a correction. But yeah, so that's 01:13:54.060 --> 01:13:56.540 We just we end up circling this topic 01:13:57.580 --> 01:14:01.340 All the time. So I just want to make sure we're uh, yeah doing it right 01:14:01.580 --> 01:14:05.900 so It was right of people to want something in writing 01:14:07.420 --> 01:14:10.380 But my intention was never to screw anybody over 01:14:11.340 --> 01:14:15.900 Even if I wanted to The consequences would have outweighed the benefit 01:14:17.420 --> 01:14:21.580 No, I do agree. I I think I've always agreed with that like the audience would slaughter you 01:14:22.220 --> 01:14:30.060 Well, they did Right like it it completely proved my point my entire point 01:14:31.020 --> 01:14:39.660 Was like Yeah, this is irrelevant. This is utterly irrelevant because if I ever fucked anyone over 01:14:40.460 --> 01:14:45.660 I would get raked over the calls. Which is which is why like man. Why didn't you just do it in the first place? 01:14:46.860 --> 01:14:51.660 I told you at the time such a bad reason. I didn't explain it very well 01:14:51.740 --> 01:14:57.580 And it was it. Hold on. Ah, it was an emotional reason. Yes, which is a bad reason 01:14:57.900 --> 01:15:03.340 But it didn't come from a bad place Ah, sure. I was trying to figure out. Okay, like 01:15:03.980 --> 01:15:07.260 No, seriously, you know, because you know, I think about like, you know 01:15:07.980 --> 01:15:15.980 Long-term succession plan legacy But this is this is a real company warranties like if you look at what happens to a warranty if the company disappears 01:15:16.060 --> 01:15:22.700 I wanted to do better. Yeah, it's gone. Yeah, but Like I was okay literally the minimum first and then try to do better 01:15:22.860 --> 01:15:26.620 Literally what like one of the conversations that I'd had with Yvonne beforehand 01:15:26.700 --> 01:15:32.620 But I didn't want to talk about this because I didn't want to commit to it I didn't want people to get this idea in their head, but I was like, okay 01:15:33.100 --> 01:15:43.340 What if like in trust We have like fun set aside to lease space to like warehouse replacement parts like after the company shuts down 01:15:43.820 --> 01:15:48.540 I know it's insane But that's what I was trying to figure out if there is like a reasonable way to do it 01:15:48.620 --> 01:15:54.380 My only my only point was that I think the timeline slightly off I think we should uh, I think we should the chat is yelling at us to move on 01:15:54.460 --> 01:15:59.340 Yeah, I think we should the audience is guiding us onwards from this topic 01:16:01.580 --> 01:16:07.180 We should we should move we should listen to them and move on heat gun already says heat gun. Oh, sure hit me 01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:11.020 Not too close. It's a heat gun. It's like very hot 01:16:11.660 --> 01:16:16.540 It has a just yeah, it has a lock. Yeah, you just move that down just down. Yeah, here we go 01:16:19.100 --> 01:16:23.100 Uh, hold on here. I have to I have to sort of working. I have to be here. What do you mean? Is it? 01:16:25.100 --> 01:16:29.020 Yes, it's definitely working very close. Nice. Why would you do that? 01:16:33.660 --> 01:16:35.660 Look you're happy now 01:16:36.860 --> 01:16:38.860 I'm very happy right now 01:16:40.780 --> 01:16:48.140 Um Oh, hold on my hands my hands aren't that warm are your hands warm? Uh, not really it might work anyways 01:16:48.220 --> 01:16:53.180 Hold on Okay No, I think you're warmer. Yeah, I think I'm probably warmer. Yeah 01:16:54.060 --> 01:17:00.220 Okay If your hands are really warm it happens pretty fast, but if you're like a cold hands kind of person hands are cold 01:17:00.380 --> 01:17:02.860 Then it uh, then it can take a little while. There you go 01:17:04.060 --> 01:17:09.180 Uh, anyway It looks cool and I've seen it a few times like if you if somebody like gives you a hug 01:17:09.340 --> 01:17:16.380 Yeah, you see the arms around the back So here's the back just sitting against the chair like you end up with a little bit of the hood too. Yeah heat trapped a little bit 01:17:16.940 --> 01:17:26.220 Yeah, so it's uh Like I said, it's more of a it's more of like a like a party trick and less of like it's gonna look like fire 01:17:26.460 --> 01:17:31.980 You know all the time or whatever, but it's it's pretty neat. It's a pretty neat party trick. Oh, right spray the water 01:17:32.300 --> 01:17:35.740 Uh, so we got to make a warm zone. Oh sure. Yeah hit me 01:17:37.180 --> 01:17:39.180 Oh here do this side 01:17:47.260 --> 01:17:49.260 Okay, nice, okay 01:17:50.540 --> 01:17:58.300 Whoa, yeah, see that's crazy So if you come from like a really warm area and walk outside into the rain, it's gonna look wild. Yeah, I think that's awesome 01:17:59.020 --> 01:18:04.700 That's actually really cool. I've never seen the reverse. I've only seen it heat up. Right. That's sweet. I am like 01:18:05.580 --> 01:18:11.580 Dying right now wearing this inside. It's it's pretty warm. You can hear you can see the inside is uh, oh, yeah 01:18:11.580 --> 01:18:13.580 Turned yellow. Yeah. Yeah 01:18:15.020 --> 01:18:19.420 Hug my my like hold my arms and my hands are very cold. Oh, yeah and in the sleeves 01:18:20.060 --> 01:18:25.420 It tends to go like that in the in the creases and stuff. So it's just I don't know. It's just it's kind of it's kind of neat 01:18:26.060 --> 01:18:31.980 Yeah, basically this is one of those garments where we didn't set out trying to make a jacket and then look for a material 01:18:32.460 --> 01:18:39.660 We came across a cool material and then we were like very 3m style. Let's um, yeah, let's let's find something 01:18:39.980 --> 01:18:41.980 To make out of this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah 01:18:44.780 --> 01:18:49.100 Oh, uh, what are we supposed to be doing merch messages? Oh, yeah, uh, want to hit me with a couple? Oh, wait 01:18:49.180 --> 01:18:53.740 I should explain what they are. Uh, for those who are new to the show merch messages are the way to interact 01:18:54.220 --> 01:18:59.100 Not like just throwing money at your screen. No, you should throw money at lttstore.com 01:18:59.180 --> 01:19:05.420 Get great quality merchandise in return and also you can send a merch message to a producer Dan 01:19:05.500 --> 01:19:10.700 And Just whenever we're live fill in this box in your 01:19:11.660 --> 01:19:15.420 Cart that's right cart not check out and you can select a color 01:19:15.820 --> 01:19:19.900 Select if you want it to be your name or to be anonymous and then producer Dan 01:19:19.980 --> 01:19:25.900 Will either curate your merch message for me and luke to respond or he might oh here. I'm gonna there we go 01:19:26.220 --> 01:19:31.900 Uh, oh, uh, but sorry press the wrong thing luke. Oh luke laptop. There we go. Oh wait. No, what did I want to do? 01:19:31.980 --> 01:19:34.380 What are you doing? I was trying to point at 01:19:35.580 --> 01:19:42.300 this There we go. He might just he might reply to it. He might just pop your message up if it's like a hey mom or you know 01:19:42.300 --> 01:19:46.300 Whatever and uh, we'll show you what it looks like Dan. Do you want to hit us with a couple merch messages? 01:19:46.780 --> 01:19:53.580 Yeah, sure. I got a bunch coming in here. Hey litmus duke and flan love the new energy in recent LTT videos 01:19:54.060 --> 01:19:59.900 How has the shift impacted the creative process slash morale for the team and has it 01:20:00.860 --> 01:20:03.260 reinvigorated the fun of making content for you 01:20:04.220 --> 01:20:08.460 Huh I don't know. I think we're kind of just doing what we're doing. We're uh 01:20:09.340 --> 01:20:14.620 I mean if you're talking like about the valve video specifically like we're we're pretty excited awesome 01:20:14.780 --> 01:20:19.900 Yeah, we're pretty excited about those. We're always happy when there's just like, you know cool 01:20:20.700 --> 01:20:24.220 Cool tech for us to talk about that really does make our lives a lot easier 01:20:24.780 --> 01:20:32.620 Um Other than that i'm i'm not i'm not a hundred percent sure to what you are referring. I don't know sir. Yeah, we're 01:20:33.500 --> 01:20:36.540 I do really like it said the the high sense video didn't get more views 01:20:36.540 --> 01:20:40.300 I don't know what's going on with that. It feels weird, but that was a sweet video 01:20:40.540 --> 01:20:43.980 The valve videos were both awesome. There's been some really good stuff lately 01:20:44.540 --> 01:20:51.100 I don't know man. You two views are so strange these days. It's really it's really really really tough right now 01:20:51.500 --> 01:21:01.500 Like that xbox might be cooked one Did like banger numbers out of the gate like as good as the one before it with the speaker the speaker scam 01:21:01.660 --> 01:21:06.060 Yeah, yeah, uh, but then just Trailed off 01:21:06.860 --> 01:21:10.700 The Linus went undercover to answer your tech questions was doing 01:21:11.500 --> 01:21:16.620 Really great And that or uh, oh wait. Yeah, I know that one was doing really great and then trailed off 01:21:17.260 --> 01:21:21.980 And then i'm trying to think if there's one that like started out horrible 01:21:22.700 --> 01:21:26.620 Um graffino s started slow and then you can see is now above average 01:21:27.740 --> 01:21:35.580 so like The the the rhyming reason to it all is it's felt like more than ever before the knobs are being like actively 01:21:35.580 --> 01:21:38.620 Turned over time and I mean that in both directions 01:21:39.180 --> 01:21:45.020 Certain videos are just like really taking off in ways that you might not expect and videos are just being crushed in ways 01:21:45.020 --> 01:21:50.060 You might not expect it's It's interesting and it's it's always funny to see people 01:21:50.700 --> 01:21:54.780 You know talk about on the subreddit. It's it's it's it's become a bit of a pattern 01:21:55.180 --> 01:22:01.180 That the ones that are poor performers. I'm going back to your laptop. Sure. Uh, the ones that are poor performers 01:22:01.900 --> 01:22:06.060 tend to be kind of like core audience 01:22:06.060 --> 01:22:09.260 Like like subreddit and forum user favorites 01:22:10.940 --> 01:22:14.700 And what I kind of have to say to those folks is like, okay 01:22:15.500 --> 01:22:19.660 Do something about it because we're getting fucking crushed here on them 01:22:20.620 --> 01:22:27.340 Like the amount of positivity for this buyer diy that is mostly hosted by jordan where we we finally 01:22:27.980 --> 01:22:32.380 Do behind this so positive people really like this video is bombing. It's dying 01:22:32.700 --> 01:22:35.900 Yeah, it's like, uh, it's one of the worst performers out of the last few weeks 01:22:36.220 --> 01:22:40.860 And that's not because jordan did a bad job it's because 01:22:41.580 --> 01:22:48.700 People are really positive. Yeah. Oh, it's a little it's like super positive. Um, I think it basically just comes down to that 01:22:49.420 --> 01:22:51.580 Some of the some of the passion of this 01:22:52.620 --> 01:22:56.060 Of this hobby is um is getting hard right now 01:22:56.780 --> 01:23:03.420 With just like how expensive things are how expensive things are and how boring a lot of things are like you see the valve content people came out 01:23:03.980 --> 01:23:06.780 It's just like, oh, wow, there's really interesting hardware coming 01:23:07.500 --> 01:23:10.300 Yeah, I will look at this. They're here for it. Yeah, okay 01:23:11.100 --> 01:23:13.100 ah, man, so here's a 01:23:15.500 --> 01:23:17.500 Here's a crazy thing 01:23:19.020 --> 01:23:21.020 If the mainstream 01:23:22.140 --> 01:23:25.980 Affordable tech is like not coming back 01:23:26.780 --> 01:23:34.540 Like you look at AMD's AMD's talking about increasing pricing on their gpus. They were down to msrp for like two weeks 01:23:35.180 --> 01:23:39.980 Um, I can't have that. Well, no, I pump it up. I understand why they're doing it 01:23:40.460 --> 01:23:43.180 Have you seen what's happened to diram pricing over the last few weeks? Like 01:23:44.540 --> 01:23:50.140 It's not like it's that they don't make diram They have to buy it same as I do same as you do 01:23:50.220 --> 01:23:55.420 They have to buy diram from samsung or sk hynix or whoever the case may be micron. I don't buy my diram 01:23:56.460 --> 01:24:01.340 I know you don't but some people have to so for the people who do right 01:24:02.140 --> 01:24:04.940 That's a cost. That's a cost that went up a lot 01:24:05.900 --> 01:24:10.700 Um, and you know like oh, they should just absorb it like that's that's nice 01:24:10.700 --> 01:24:15.100 That would be very generous of them, but that's not how it's not gonna be how that's not how corporations work 01:24:15.260 --> 01:24:18.780 Yeah, um So 01:24:18.780 --> 01:24:25.420 Where was I going with this? Right, right, right, right, right, right. So so prices are coming up. So so here's an interesting here's an interesting question 01:24:26.780 --> 01:24:28.780 I don't think yeah 01:24:32.620 --> 01:24:40.860 Oof this is from tech spot I don't know if the days of LTT doing, you know, 130 million views a month on 01:24:41.740 --> 01:24:45.820 building computers Are coming back 01:24:47.260 --> 01:24:53.580 And so with that in mind like, you know, what do we what do we make videos about? 01:24:55.340 --> 01:24:57.340 um, I think there's like a 01:24:58.380 --> 01:25:03.500 opportunity to Do things differently like I've been I've been trying to get 01:25:03.820 --> 01:25:09.020 Slightly louder and louder and louder over time about spinning up a Labs channel at some point 01:25:09.500 --> 01:25:12.700 um, I don't know if new channel is going to help us out because 01:25:13.580 --> 01:25:18.940 Like yeah, that's that it's not gonna We got to figure out some of our production efficiency woes. Yes 01:25:19.500 --> 01:25:26.780 Um, I think it absolutely can and it should we might need to change how like pipelines in the company 01:25:26.860 --> 01:25:30.460 I have oh man. I don't know if we want to talk about this or not. I have ideas on things 01:25:31.020 --> 01:25:36.940 um Like it might it might not make as much sense to have these massive 01:25:37.580 --> 01:25:44.060 silos That have to try to lob things between each other all the time. It might make more sense to 01:25:44.860 --> 01:25:47.900 um Have like individual 01:25:48.860 --> 01:25:57.660 Channels basically manage their own pipelines Um, that creates its own set of inefficiencies. It sure does which we have learned from experience 01:25:58.300 --> 01:26:02.940 Sure, and I won't say that the previous attempt at that was perfectly managed. Um 01:26:03.900 --> 01:26:08.700 But I I can say that we we gave it the old college try and it was not great 01:26:09.260 --> 01:26:14.620 What was that for I don't want to get into the specifics right now because it would yeah, no, that's fair enough 01:26:15.420 --> 01:26:17.420 That's why this conversation could be hard 01:26:18.700 --> 01:26:23.660 But but yeah, okay. No, I it's not that I don't believe you. I just I don't just not 100 sure what you're talking about 01:26:23.740 --> 01:26:29.500 Like here's here's a crazy thought. Here's a totally crazy thought like we've talked about this offline 01:26:29.580 --> 01:26:33.100 But planes not sinking guys relax. Yeah, we're just okay. We're okay. We're 01:26:34.140 --> 01:26:37.500 LMG has had to reinvent itself multiple times 01:26:37.500 --> 01:26:44.540 I think any company that has substantially existed on youtube for this long will have reinvented itself a bunch of times 01:26:44.780 --> 01:26:50.540 This is not like chill. Yeah, it's not always in ways that are even necessarily obvious from the outside 01:26:50.620 --> 01:26:54.860 But we have we've completely changed how we run our production many times 01:26:55.420 --> 01:27:03.180 um, and so you know like I think we've talked about this offline. We might have even mentioned this on wancho before but I I came across recently that 01:27:03.420 --> 01:27:07.500 um, and this is really stuck in my head because it it completely shifted 01:27:08.060 --> 01:27:12.300 my view of how the consumer market works 01:27:12.460 --> 01:27:17.420 But half of all consumer spending in the us is now the top 10 percent of earners 01:27:18.220 --> 01:27:23.340 Have we talked about that on the show Dan? Do you remember? He doesn't pay attention. He just sits on his phone. I'm not sure. I don't think so 01:27:24.300 --> 01:27:30.140 Um that Absolutely. Yeah, okay. Your us all says yes. We have that 01:27:30.780 --> 01:27:36.780 Still it's like still on my mind. It's shocking. It's it's one of the facts that I've been telling more and more people lately 01:27:36.780 --> 01:27:40.220 It's just weird. It does make a lot of things make 01:27:40.940 --> 01:27:45.100 Uh more sense. It really does but it is very weird, but it but it blows me away 01:27:45.180 --> 01:27:51.180 So so here's the thing like in mat because we used to make videos about high-end gpus all the time 01:27:51.740 --> 01:27:55.340 Right, we'd make a video about the you know, uh, 780 01:27:55.820 --> 01:28:03.260 You know or the the gtx 680 or you know, whatever right like about these high-end gpus and remember a high-end GPU used to be 01:28:03.740 --> 01:28:08.140 500 600 700 dollars 01:28:08.540 --> 01:28:14.700 And we'd get you know a million two million I think it really peaked around the rtx 30 series 01:28:15.180 --> 01:28:21.660 When I think the announcement for the rtx 30 series got like three plus or four million views or something like that 01:28:21.820 --> 01:28:24.860 r50 90 review got over three million views. Um 01:28:26.380 --> 01:28:32.860 I'll get to that in a moment Um, because there's a big difference to me between like a spectacle product 01:28:33.420 --> 01:28:37.340 Like like the biggest tv in the world consistently will get over three million views for us 01:28:37.820 --> 01:28:42.540 But for a different reason Then why you know, uh a gtx 01:28:43.020 --> 01:28:48.620 Uh 1650 review might get three million views. This is because everyone's kind of like 01:28:48.860 --> 01:28:54.700 Oh, this is an opportunity for me to see and vicariously experience it something that I would never see in person 01:28:55.180 --> 01:29:00.860 And this is because I am deeply considering purchasing this thing and I need to know more about it. Yes. Yeah 01:29:01.420 --> 01:29:05.660 And what we have right now in between those two 01:29:05.900 --> 01:29:09.500 Is an expanse of dead zone 01:29:09.580 --> 01:29:15.260 Is is what it feels like to me Where you have these products that are neither affordable 01:29:15.820 --> 01:29:22.860 To that 90 percent of us consumers that are that are making up half of spending 01:29:23.340 --> 01:29:27.660 Um, and then you've got these like these halo products that are still interesting 01:29:27.660 --> 01:29:36.860 But but you don't get very often Like if our channel was dependent on NVIDIA to release a halo GPU for every like banger hit on our channel 01:29:36.860 --> 01:29:44.060 It might have been fine when you and I first started doing computer stuff and it was like every seven months 01:29:44.140 --> 01:29:50.140 There was a new flagship sometimes Yeah, yeah, that was a wild time to be a computer enthusiast. Yeah 01:29:50.460 --> 01:29:58.860 It's like you'd you'd buy a new pc you'd bring it home You'd turn it on fire up an internet browser and find out it was obsolete like that that was like that was a meme 01:29:59.180 --> 01:30:04.060 Yeah And so, you know, here's a crazy idea 01:30:04.620 --> 01:30:12.140 What if we just accept That a lot of our videos are going because we've avoided creating too many videos about high-end stuff 01:30:12.940 --> 01:30:17.100 Like I don't you probably remember I vowed not to not to go 40 series 01:30:17.980 --> 01:30:22.700 You know because pricing was unreasonable Clearly that changed nothing 01:30:22.780 --> 01:30:29.260 NVIDIA's g4 sales go up like clockwork more and more people are buying gforce even though 01:30:29.820 --> 01:30:35.660 90 percent of people who have half of the purchasing power are angry about gforce pricing 01:30:35.660 --> 01:30:38.380 Justifiably so because it's out of reach big time 01:30:39.100 --> 01:30:41.900 But like what what do we do do we segment our content? 01:30:42.700 --> 01:30:48.220 So do we have the videos that are designed for that 10 percent of the audience where we we 01:30:49.180 --> 01:30:54.380 Evaluate high-end stuff knowing that only half a million people are going to watch it and then do we have 01:30:55.180 --> 01:31:03.820 Content that we design around everyone else. That's like, okay. Here's the you know for for of a hot take, you know, whatever 01:31:04.780 --> 01:31:10.140 Steam machine versus diy pc, you know affordable Linux gaming pc 01:31:10.140 --> 01:31:16.220 Which is the way to go and and and we really like hyper focus who the audience is for any given video 01:31:16.380 --> 01:31:21.660 Have a hot take. Yeah hit me. I think you're thinking about it too much and that you did this forever 01:31:22.380 --> 01:31:24.380 because we had 01:31:26.620 --> 01:31:31.340 Extremely high-end systems We had your like what if you put 01:31:32.060 --> 01:31:37.260 A GPU from both vendors in your machine and ran crossfire and slite the same time 01:31:37.340 --> 01:31:40.220 What would happen going on at the same time as we had? 01:31:40.780 --> 01:31:46.780 um The compensator and scrapyard war is happening. We have always shown both sides of the coin 01:31:47.340 --> 01:31:50.300 We have but what I can tell you is that 01:31:51.100 --> 01:31:55.340 The one side is getting a lot less views these days. Okay, sure. I think you can still do it 01:31:55.660 --> 01:31:58.620 Well, no, it's not it's not just that it's that 01:31:59.260 --> 01:32:02.060 It's it well those so those are both still doing fine 01:32:03.100 --> 01:32:07.180 Though the extremes are both still doing fine. It's the it's the like 01:32:08.700 --> 01:32:15.020 Man, what what would be like an equivalent? It's it's like the build guide. It's like the it's like the silent pc build guide 01:32:15.260 --> 01:32:21.260 The two thousand dollar pc build guide That is is is in this sort of like even even this one 01:32:21.900 --> 01:32:25.100 Like all msrp this yeah, absolutely 01:32:26.140 --> 01:32:28.140 died now now this one 01:32:30.860 --> 01:32:34.460 This one had a problem the problem was that we shot this 01:32:34.940 --> 01:32:37.900 Ah, the very all the comments about RAM prices 01:32:38.540 --> 01:32:41.740 So RAM prices started to take off literally 01:32:42.620 --> 01:32:47.180 In the couple of weeks that this was sitting and editing And that sucks 01:32:47.820 --> 01:32:52.860 Because when we did the build it was like we were going to be like on it 01:32:53.580 --> 01:32:57.500 Like you remember talking about this on wancho, right? Like we were going to be on it highlighting 01:32:58.700 --> 01:33:01.820 Finally some good news finally a freaking 01:33:02.460 --> 01:33:07.740 Good time to be alive for people who like building their own pc's. All right. This is just a great shot 01:33:07.820 --> 01:33:12.140 I gotta hold on one sec. What is this wait for it wait for it when he puts a thing on the shelf 01:33:12.940 --> 01:33:18.380 And the piece of paper naturally falls fantastic. Yeah cinematic masterpiece. Yeah 01:33:23.820 --> 01:33:33.100 With that said with that said I still think that if you're somewhat shopping for a pc this black friday could be a pretty good time to to move 01:33:33.740 --> 01:33:43.260 Even with RAM prices being as crappy as they are Because it's only a matter of time before other components that use RAM like GPU's are also going to spike 01:33:44.220 --> 01:33:49.180 And storage is also Apparently going to spike so yeah watch out 01:33:51.020 --> 01:33:53.580 But yeah, it's it's that it's that like every day 01:33:54.540 --> 01:33:59.020 Like the very first pc build guide we did was a $1,500 pc build guide 01:33:59.580 --> 01:34:03.260 And it's kind of crazy to think about that because that was over 10 years ago 01:34:04.220 --> 01:34:10.460 Um, and so you know with inflation or or whatever you would think I would be able to get 01:34:11.260 --> 01:34:15.980 A similar amount of interest in building a $2,000 pc today 01:34:17.180 --> 01:34:25.500 But because the individual components feel so because some categories have come down like cases are 01:34:26.060 --> 01:34:31.260 Kind of shockingly affordable these days Like man, uh, it was uh, I think david's upgrade 01:34:31.260 --> 01:34:36.860 We picked up this like chinese brand case that had like glass all over it and like came with a bunch of fans 01:34:36.940 --> 01:34:40.940 And I'm like looking this thing. It was like 70 dollars or something like that. I was like, this is this is crazy 01:34:41.420 --> 01:34:47.020 Right like you remember when the the course error, uh 900d came out. It was like 300 dollars 01:34:47.100 --> 01:34:50.700 Dude, you can get a case that may not have as much steel in it 01:34:51.260 --> 01:34:53.740 But it's so much more featured today 01:34:54.460 --> 01:34:58.460 For literally like a quarter of the price. It's wild 01:34:59.340 --> 01:35:04.540 But then people get this sticker shock Of they go to buy a freaking GPU 01:35:05.260 --> 01:35:11.020 Or they don't realize that you can just buy a mainstream motherboard and they they they look at how much like a gamer 01:35:11.500 --> 01:35:16.620 top-of-the-line Chipset motherboard costs and they go holy s*** this forget it 01:35:17.340 --> 01:35:21.660 You know, I'm out. I'm out and uh 01:35:22.300 --> 01:35:27.340 I think it just it just takes some of the it takes some of the it takes some of the joy out of it 01:35:27.660 --> 01:35:32.860 For sure. I know a lot of people that have effectively exited the hobby at this point. Um, like personally 01:35:33.660 --> 01:35:37.100 Because it's just like man, I can't keep up and it's it's 01:35:39.420 --> 01:35:46.860 It's not Okay, it's obviously clearly both, but I think the bigger impact of it is not actually the price of 01:35:47.500 --> 01:35:52.220 Computer components going up. I think it's the price of everything else going up and their income is not matching 01:35:52.540 --> 01:35:56.380 That's because they're feeling squeezed on any form of 01:35:58.060 --> 01:36:05.660 extra Extra hobbies extra activities eating over food any form of anything is feeling squeezed 01:36:05.900 --> 01:36:09.180 It's not just their their hobbies their interest in computer stuff 01:36:10.620 --> 01:36:20.460 It's a tough time What is a channel what does a channel look like that can kind of cater to 01:36:21.660 --> 01:36:25.980 The top of the k-shaped economy and also the bottom of the k-shaped economy 01:36:27.100 --> 01:36:31.980 How do we design that channel? I don't think it's that different 01:36:32.060 --> 01:36:34.860 You think so? I don't think it's that different. I think 01:36:35.420 --> 01:36:41.020 Um, I think you keep that in mind. I think you understand that the middle is like not that interesting and just do both 01:36:41.100 --> 01:36:45.420 Like I said, we would do insane Lambo builds back in the day 01:36:45.980 --> 01:36:49.980 um And not literally Lamborghini, but like just 01:36:50.780 --> 01:36:54.300 Fancy things. Yeah, um, and then also would do 01:36:56.380 --> 01:36:59.180 Scattered wars and yeah cheaper things like that 01:37:02.540 --> 01:37:04.540 Oh 01:37:07.260 --> 01:37:11.340 Yeah, we'll figure it out We'll figure it out. Um 01:37:12.540 --> 01:37:16.700 I think I think this one this this video felt like it kind of rhymed. I haven't watched these 01:37:17.420 --> 01:37:22.060 It rhymed ads If you go back and go forward again, it usually gets rid of it 01:37:23.100 --> 01:37:28.620 But do you remember this? Free or extremely cheap diy pc test bench. Yeah 01:37:29.740 --> 01:37:32.620 Um, I haven't watched it yet, but you guys just a piece of wood 01:37:33.260 --> 01:37:36.220 Basically you basically you take a computer case and you 01:37:37.180 --> 01:37:42.460 Oh, no do yeah I'm turn it into a test bench by using wood and legs 01:37:43.420 --> 01:37:45.420 Um 01:37:47.500 --> 01:37:53.420 I was like, wow I'm at the end already But yeah, it's I saw you guys do the like, uh, I haven't watched it yet 01:37:53.420 --> 01:37:58.300 But the server rack video and I was like, uh cool 01:37:58.300 --> 01:38:04.780 Yeah, uh, and I mean, maybe we just have to maybe part of it is uh, because I know you and I have talked about 01:38:04.780 --> 01:38:10.220 I think we need to get back to the daily schedule. I think we need to be part of people's daily routine. 01:38:10.220 --> 01:38:15.220 I think that is an important part of Linus Tech Tips ethos, 01:38:15.580 --> 01:38:20.220 is that it's been, when we were really hitting it, 01:38:20.220 --> 01:38:25.260 we were hitting it every day. You could come to your computer after work 01:38:25.260 --> 01:38:28.260 and there would be an LTT video every time. Or at breakfast time. 01:38:28.260 --> 01:38:30.500 You know, everybody had like their routine. 01:38:31.500 --> 01:38:36.540 I think we have to hit it every day. And there's things that doesn't just mean like, 01:38:36.540 --> 01:38:40.060 you know, push the writers harder. 01:38:40.060 --> 01:38:43.340 There's like, we gotta find ways to accomplish that. 01:38:43.340 --> 01:38:48.420 And a seven and a half minute video might be one of the ways to do that. 01:38:48.420 --> 01:38:53.100 Yeah. I also talked to somebody, I was talking to a couple people about this, 01:38:53.100 --> 01:38:56.820 but let me pitch it on WAN Show and see why you don't like it. 01:38:56.820 --> 01:39:01.620 But I have my new idea for ShortCircuit 01:39:01.660 --> 01:39:07.140 and my new idea for ShortCircuit, which I'm gonna need to chop around to a bunch of people 01:39:07.140 --> 01:39:09.580 if it's even any good as an idea. 01:39:10.940 --> 01:39:17.180 Stems off of a type of video that was your idea back in the day that we filmed. 01:39:17.180 --> 01:39:22.180 If I look up, let me jump to here, GTX 980. 01:39:24.260 --> 01:39:27.220 Here we go. This video is a good example of it. 01:39:28.140 --> 01:39:32.780 So it starts off and you're hosting and you actually, I noticed this while I was talking 01:39:32.780 --> 01:39:36.860 to someone about this idea, but you actually like take it out of the box. 01:39:36.860 --> 01:39:39.860 There you go. It's not an unboxing, 01:39:39.860 --> 01:39:43.620 but let's use the framing of the video instead of the actuality of the video. 01:39:43.620 --> 01:39:47.420 But you started off, you're talking about the product, you look at the product, 01:39:47.420 --> 01:39:51.420 you're talking about how it's physically built, you're talking about the new cooler, it looks all cool and stuff. 01:39:52.620 --> 01:39:56.380 You talk about software features, you go through the IO, 01:39:56.380 --> 01:40:00.660 you do things that you might do if this was a ShortCircuit unboxing. 01:40:00.660 --> 01:40:04.420 Yep. Okay. I mean, that's LTT's origin, right? 01:40:04.420 --> 01:40:10.580 This is 11 years ago. So this is not far after LTT was an unboxing channel. 01:40:10.620 --> 01:40:15.660 Yes, this is us kind of like morphing. Evolving. We're kind of in the middle. 01:40:15.660 --> 01:40:18.860 So this is unboxing and you've always said your name for ShortCircuit 01:40:18.860 --> 01:40:23.100 is unboxing plus. This video also had a plus. 01:40:23.100 --> 01:40:26.900 Yeah, with a little bit of performance testing. Hello. What if we did- 01:40:26.900 --> 01:40:28.860 Snow wars. What a shirt. 01:40:31.540 --> 01:40:33.740 I don't think we had a, I noticed that too. 01:40:34.820 --> 01:40:40.260 Is that meant to be like Calvin and Hobbes looking font? What am I looking at here? It's supposed to be Calvin and Hobbes, 01:40:40.260 --> 01:40:44.260 like cosplaying Star Wars. There's Calvin down there. 01:40:44.260 --> 01:40:47.820 Brilliant. Okay. Yeah. Anyway though. 01:40:47.820 --> 01:40:51.020 Yeah. So what if we kind of did it this way? 01:40:51.020 --> 01:40:54.260 So, because there's been, I've heard a bunch of different complaints about ShortCircuit. 01:40:54.260 --> 01:40:56.940 I finally shot one and experienced how it goes and stuff. 01:40:57.420 --> 01:41:00.860 One of the things that I've heard is that it's like, it's unboxing, 01:41:00.860 --> 01:41:04.660 but it's not necessarily the first unboxing. Mm-hmm. 01:41:04.660 --> 01:41:08.620 Like say for example, if someone unboxed it before and now it's in a power profile 01:41:08.620 --> 01:41:13.300 that you didn't expect it to be in. You might have noticed the glowing yellow icon 01:41:13.300 --> 01:41:17.140 in the corner, but you know, that's fine. We can take the entire blame for that. 01:41:20.140 --> 01:41:23.860 Yeah, we're not. We could focus on the thing that we're trying to talk about though. 01:41:23.860 --> 01:41:27.780 That would be good. So, what if we did a thing? 01:41:27.780 --> 01:41:31.780 Why are you so sensitive? This goes both ways, big guy. 01:41:31.780 --> 01:41:35.340 It's okay. So what if we did an actual unboxing? Yeah. 01:41:35.340 --> 01:41:38.900 So what if very shortly after it came in, you know, we gotta give some time, 01:41:38.900 --> 01:41:44.260 whether it's Bell or it's maybe someone from the last team or whatever, 01:41:44.260 --> 01:41:48.900 prepare some form of one page or document that doesn't yet have performance numbers in it, 01:41:48.900 --> 01:41:54.100 but it has like points that you should probably hit about this product. 01:41:54.100 --> 01:41:58.020 And they still sit on the side. A lot of the shooting is the same. 01:41:58.020 --> 01:42:02.740 It just doesn't have the Labs input yet. You do your unboxing and everything. 01:42:02.740 --> 01:42:06.380 And then one of the ways I was thinking about it is you like actually physically 01:42:06.380 --> 01:42:10.740 like toss the product off camera. You're not the first person to pitch this to me today. 01:42:10.740 --> 01:42:17.180 And then, oh, today. Interesting. And what I said to them is that that works great 01:42:17.180 --> 01:42:21.900 until, and I think this will happen on a not infrequent basis, 01:42:21.940 --> 01:42:25.700 something about the initial unboxing and impressions 01:42:25.700 --> 01:42:29.980 conflicts with something in the, but we've actually tested it now. 01:42:29.980 --> 01:42:33.420 So how do we not waste the viewer's time 01:42:33.420 --> 01:42:37.740 sitting through mistaken impressions to get to the part where we correct it? 01:42:37.740 --> 01:42:41.940 I don't know if that's gonna happen too often. I do think you're right. 01:42:41.940 --> 01:42:46.580 It will happen. I think one of the parts of this that effectively needs to happen 01:42:46.580 --> 01:42:50.860 is that the first, I don't know the proper term for this, 01:42:50.860 --> 01:42:55.140 but when it's cut together, before it's like properly edited, but they have the footage cut together, 01:42:55.140 --> 01:42:59.180 I think that should be output and handed over to the people in the lab. 01:42:59.180 --> 01:43:02.340 So while they're testing it, they can see what the person said. 01:43:02.340 --> 01:43:09.420 And then if minor corrections need to be made with like, you know, voice dub or whatever, it can be done. 01:43:09.420 --> 01:43:13.620 Any time you have to go back and do a pickup, 01:43:13.620 --> 01:43:19.300 it is just devastating to the workflow because it's like, 01:43:19.300 --> 01:43:23.220 I don't know how often that's gonna have to happen though, because like there are some things, 01:43:23.220 --> 01:43:28.180 like an example that I'm assuming the other person I was talking to about this brought up 01:43:28.180 --> 01:43:32.820 was brightness. They're like, what if I like the brightness? 01:43:32.820 --> 01:43:37.660 But it turns out that the spec that they advertised was like incredibly high-knit. 01:43:37.660 --> 01:43:41.380 And then the Labs finds that it's below the advertised spec. 01:43:41.380 --> 01:43:45.020 Yeah, because there's so little content that will actually take advantage 01:43:45.020 --> 01:43:48.700 of a super high brightness display 01:43:48.740 --> 01:43:53.980 because it's just like not mastered for it. It's particularly becoming a thing with like newer films 01:43:53.980 --> 01:43:57.820 is many of them are mastered to such a low HDR brightness 01:43:57.820 --> 01:44:02.820 that they might as well not be HDR at all. And so depending on the content that the host, 01:44:02.820 --> 01:44:05.900 you know, happens to find to watch, 01:44:05.900 --> 01:44:10.740 they might form a completely wrong impression 01:44:10.740 --> 01:44:16.180 of the brightness of the display. And it's like, it's one of those things where like, 01:44:16.180 --> 01:44:20.020 in theory, yeah, you can have expert hosts who just like won't do that. 01:44:20.020 --> 01:44:23.900 But that's not scalable. That's not, it's not that manageable. 01:44:23.900 --> 01:44:27.420 It's hard to train for every edge case. 01:44:27.420 --> 01:44:32.900 And the audience might not agree. In my opinion, if someone's impression 01:44:32.900 --> 01:44:37.020 of the brightness is good, and then we test it and get a number 01:44:37.020 --> 01:44:39.180 that's like not necessarily, 01:44:40.860 --> 01:44:45.700 I think the example that was given was it doesn't match the manufacturer's spec. 01:44:45.700 --> 01:44:49.780 Not necessarily that we found that it was bad, but we found that it didn't match the manufacturer's spec. 01:44:49.780 --> 01:44:53.580 I mean, I think a manufacturer falsely advertising their product is bad. 01:44:53.580 --> 01:44:59.700 Right, but we still call that out in the video. But it can be, hey, the brightness of this device 01:44:59.700 --> 01:45:04.300 feels good and it can be, hey, their spec doesn't match. 01:45:04.300 --> 01:45:08.340 That's bad. That both can be in the same video, I think. I think those can live together. 01:45:08.340 --> 01:45:12.620 I'm having a very hard time. I mean, I'm not saying, I'm not saying, you know, 01:45:12.620 --> 01:45:16.900 no, you're wrong, right? Like you might very well be right. 01:45:16.900 --> 01:45:20.620 I don't know. I'm having a very hard time imagining a world 01:45:20.620 --> 01:45:24.060 where I want to watch a video that contradicts itself. 01:45:24.060 --> 01:45:28.020 That doesn't just- I don't think that's a contradiction. That doesn't just do the work ahead of time 01:45:28.020 --> 01:45:32.700 and then get alignment between the teams so that the message is consistent. 01:45:32.700 --> 01:45:35.780 And like I have no problem with a host saying, 01:45:35.780 --> 01:45:40.500 in fact, like this is something that you would have seen me do in script review all the time back in the day. 01:45:40.500 --> 01:45:44.180 Like if you were preparing a laptop or something like that, 01:45:44.180 --> 01:45:49.020 then I might say something in the video about, and coming around to the keyboard, 01:45:49.020 --> 01:45:54.460 well, this is a bit of a mixed bag. Luke, who was the writer for this project, 01:45:54.460 --> 01:45:57.500 absolutely loved it. But here's the thing, 01:45:57.500 --> 01:46:00.820 and we'd get a b-roll shot of my hand and Luke's hand. 01:46:00.820 --> 01:46:06.180 My hand's a little bit smaller than Luke's, and I actually found it pretty hard to reach the shift key, 01:46:06.180 --> 01:46:09.220 which for a grammar Nazi like myself, 01:46:09.220 --> 01:46:15.020 who cares about things like capitalization and punctuation is a big problem. 01:46:15.020 --> 01:46:21.380 Like that's exactly the kind of thing that I might write into a script, but that's tidy. 01:46:21.380 --> 01:46:24.580 It's in a nice little bow, it contains both perspectives, 01:46:24.580 --> 01:46:29.580 and I don't have to wait around to get the other perspective. 01:46:29.820 --> 01:46:34.820 And I've always preferred to wrap things in a tight bow, 01:46:36.060 --> 01:46:40.580 or I shouldn't say always. I mean, going back, if you go back far enough, 01:46:40.580 --> 01:46:44.580 we would actually, I would say something that I think about the product, 01:46:44.580 --> 01:46:48.300 and I would cut the camera, and then we would come back, 01:46:48.300 --> 01:46:51.700 and the camera would start rolling again, and I wouldn't edit anything, 01:46:51.700 --> 01:46:54.780 and I'd say, oh, actually I just looked it up on my phone, 01:46:54.780 --> 01:46:59.260 and that's not right, the spec is actually this. I think I remember that. Like if we go back far enough, 01:46:59.260 --> 01:47:03.140 I basically did exactly what you're pitching. No, it's different. 01:47:03.140 --> 01:47:09.060 Okay, a little different. It's pretty different. I mean, here's my impression, and here's what I think. 01:47:09.060 --> 01:47:14.380 No, it's quite literally unboxing plus a thing. It's unboxing and impressions and experience, 01:47:14.380 --> 01:47:18.220 which is what unboxing means, and the reason why it's so confusing to the entire audience. 01:47:18.220 --> 01:47:21.300 And then it adds on, Labs testing on the end, 01:47:21.300 --> 01:47:25.940 instead of trying to mix it throughout. I understand the vision of the thing 01:47:25.940 --> 01:47:30.140 that you're talking about. Yeah. I think it's just, what I'm trying to accomplish 01:47:30.140 --> 01:47:34.660 is the path through our workplace right now. 01:47:34.660 --> 01:47:40.700 For a thing that comes in for ShortCircuit is very difficult, and this path is significantly simplified. 01:47:40.740 --> 01:47:44.460 And I think there is, I think there's potential 01:47:44.460 --> 01:47:49.380 that the audience really likes it in that structure. I also think there's potential that it just sucks. 01:47:49.380 --> 01:47:54.660 I know I'm not trying to dismiss your concerns. There's also devices where it's really not simplified. 01:47:54.660 --> 01:47:59.300 Anything with battery testing should absolutely go through the lab first, 01:47:59.300 --> 01:48:03.820 and should go nowhere near a set before it has been battery tested, 01:48:03.820 --> 01:48:11.420 because you're just adding an enormous, potentially huge delay to the time 01:48:13.020 --> 01:48:17.140 when you can film the first segment, like the impression segment, and when you can film the second one. 01:48:17.140 --> 01:48:21.980 So you'll have these projects that are just in production limbo, 01:48:21.980 --> 01:48:25.020 waiting for the second part to be tested, 01:48:25.020 --> 01:48:28.100 and then shot, and then delivered to the editor. So why did you even bother 01:48:28.100 --> 01:48:31.940 to shoot this piece in the first place? So part of this plan that I didn't explain 01:48:31.940 --> 01:48:36.140 was that it could sit in editing and in Labs testing at the same time, 01:48:36.140 --> 01:48:40.820 so that the hosted part, the probably more difficult part to edit, 01:48:42.220 --> 01:48:47.020 okay, the primary hosted part, because the Labs hosted part would be so short, 01:48:48.100 --> 01:48:54.380 could start editing while the Labs is testing. So that's something that I've pitched many times, 01:48:54.380 --> 01:48:58.980 like having editing the part of a video that the editors have already, 01:48:58.980 --> 01:49:03.660 and then I'll deliver you the rest. Nobody likes it. 01:49:03.660 --> 01:49:08.740 Okay. I mean, I don't know, imagine from like a development standpoint, 01:49:08.740 --> 01:49:12.860 if someone was like, yeah, here's the first half of the project that I want done. 01:49:12.860 --> 01:49:16.940 It doesn't really matter. I guess you like could do that, but it's a lot easier. 01:49:16.940 --> 01:49:22.320 It's a lot easier if you have a full, scoped out, you know, work order, 01:49:22.320 --> 01:49:26.940 and you know exactly what it is that you're building. People generally like to have all of the Lego pieces 01:49:26.940 --> 01:49:30.280 come in the box, rather than building half of the kit, 01:49:30.280 --> 01:49:34.060 and then getting the rest of the pieces later, and then putting them together at the end, in general, 01:49:34.060 --> 01:49:40.500 because there are aspects of the edit that do carry forward between the two parts. 01:49:40.500 --> 01:49:43.700 And it's not the kind of thing that I think nuts and bolts folks 01:49:43.700 --> 01:49:48.620 might necessarily consider, but okay, I want music that matches this tone. 01:49:48.620 --> 01:49:52.360 I want music that matches the tone of this, and I want them to kind of match the tone 01:49:52.360 --> 01:49:55.860 and transition well into each other. It's hard for me to do that 01:49:55.860 --> 01:49:59.260 when I don't have both pieces from the very start. 01:49:59.260 --> 01:50:02.740 And so look, I'm not saying no. 01:50:02.740 --> 01:50:05.780 I'm just saying that it's not that simple either. 01:50:05.780 --> 01:50:09.460 No, I didn't think it was that simple. I'm trying to figure out how to solve 01:50:09.460 --> 01:50:14.220 for some of these things. You're talking about music. Like, I wonder if we could almost have... 01:50:14.220 --> 01:50:19.460 I've pitched it. What? Just a library of like a finite number of tracks, 01:50:19.460 --> 01:50:22.620 and they're just like all in a folder, and they're all... You know what ones pair, yeah. 01:50:22.620 --> 01:50:27.660 And the thing is that like, that's the kind of cookie cutter thinking 01:50:27.660 --> 01:50:31.020 that people like you and I would look at and go, 01:50:31.020 --> 01:50:35.100 well, that just makes common sense. But it's also the kind of thing 01:50:35.100 --> 01:50:39.260 that the really like audiovisual creative folks 01:50:39.260 --> 01:50:43.840 who have driven a huge part of the advancements 01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:47.980 of our visual identity on our channel over the years 01:50:47.980 --> 01:50:51.700 would look at and go, well, yeah, no, 01:50:51.700 --> 01:50:55.140 that's not really how it works if you don't want things to start to feel samey 01:50:55.140 --> 01:50:58.220 and start to feel bland and boring. It's an interesting thing though, 01:50:58.220 --> 01:51:03.500 because like I know of one successful channel, I'm not saying like, no, they're wrong to be very clear. 01:51:03.500 --> 01:51:08.260 I just, I know one very successful channel that I watched from time to time 01:51:08.260 --> 01:51:12.380 has a specific cadence to it. 01:51:12.380 --> 01:51:15.820 Someone will be talking in a particular style, 01:51:15.820 --> 01:51:19.780 and then they'll start talking in a different style. And when they switch to that other style, 01:51:19.780 --> 01:51:23.620 the same track comes on every single time, 01:51:23.620 --> 01:51:27.460 multiple times in a video and every single video, 01:51:27.460 --> 01:51:30.780 and it works great. But that's a stylistic thing. 01:51:30.780 --> 01:51:35.300 That is a stylistic thing. What if the lab's backtrack was the same every time? 01:51:36.420 --> 01:51:40.420 Or what if there was like four so that there's like a few things 01:51:40.420 --> 01:51:44.420 you could do with the previous one? I'm falling back to the same thing. Maybe they'd still hate it. 01:51:44.420 --> 01:51:49.420 I don't know. I think like, yeah, I don't want us to trench in 01:51:49.420 --> 01:51:54.020 on what we're doing, because what we're doing is so incredibly heavy and slow. 01:51:55.460 --> 01:51:59.100 And I'm not talking ShortCircuit only, I'm talking practically everything. 01:51:59.100 --> 01:52:02.100 Techlinked is still pretty lean. Fair. 01:52:02.100 --> 01:52:08.220 Yeah, Techlinked is lean. And like some of the LTTs are reasonably lean. 01:52:08.220 --> 01:52:14.980 Like looking back over the last little while, this video was a really cool one. 01:52:14.980 --> 01:52:19.100 Unfortunately, it didn't perform that great. That thumbnail's confusing. 01:52:20.860 --> 01:52:24.420 We've, it's gone through a few iterations. This is the best one we've got so far. 01:52:24.420 --> 01:52:29.460 I don't know what to do to replace it. I have no ideas. Yeah, it is what it is at this point. 01:52:29.460 --> 01:52:35.540 But it's tough. It's done what it's gonna do. But anyway, the point is that this was a really cool video. 01:52:35.540 --> 01:52:38.900 This was not like a ridiculous amount of work. 01:52:38.900 --> 01:52:42.180 This was pretty close to what like our old productions 01:52:42.180 --> 01:52:45.860 might have been. Sure. We went into a cool place, we interviewed a cool guy, 01:52:45.860 --> 01:52:50.340 we tried out a cool product and we said, peace out, see you later. 01:52:50.340 --> 01:52:53.980 So we do, we do do them sometimes. 01:52:54.980 --> 01:52:58.140 But I think we have a tendency to try to do it, 01:52:58.140 --> 01:53:01.540 to try to make a Michael Bay sequel every time. 01:53:02.500 --> 01:53:05.900 Like one of the things that I've toyed with in my mind, don't worry, I'm not gonna do it. 01:53:05.900 --> 01:53:11.540 But one of the things I've toyed around with in my brain is what if we just deleted the entire channel? 01:53:11.540 --> 01:53:15.580 And then start it over. Well, yeah, look, you're shaking your head out. 01:53:15.580 --> 01:53:18.620 I'm pausing, I'm pausing, you can, I told you we're not gonna do it. 01:53:18.620 --> 01:53:22.300 Because one of the things that like drives me nuts 01:53:23.220 --> 01:53:26.820 is we'll pitch a video and I'll be like, Samson's did it, Samson's did it, except Samson's is us. 01:53:26.820 --> 01:53:31.300 Like we're up to almost seven thousand videos. Yeah, you need to just stop doing that. 01:53:31.300 --> 01:53:34.300 Just make it again. It's not that easy. Just do it. 01:53:34.300 --> 01:53:39.620 No one cares. If you release the video like nine years ago, 01:53:39.620 --> 01:53:43.300 you can release a new version of it now and it's fine. 01:53:43.300 --> 01:53:47.900 That's also not necessarily even true. Like we have had instances where we've done a similar video 01:53:47.900 --> 01:53:52.220 to what we've done in the past and it will have extremely low momentum 01:53:52.220 --> 01:53:57.540 with our core returning audience, which will create a death spiral 01:53:57.540 --> 01:54:00.940 of not promoting it to new years. How far back did you look? 01:54:00.940 --> 01:54:04.220 How far back did I look? So this, you're talking, 01:54:04.220 --> 01:54:08.300 maybe you don't remember or whatever, but... I mean, I'll have to dig up a specific example for you, 01:54:08.300 --> 01:54:12.100 but there have been times when... No, I believe you there's been times. So I'm just wondering like... 01:54:12.100 --> 01:54:15.460 Like years ago though, like it would have been a video from years prior. 01:54:15.460 --> 01:54:20.340 Yeah, but how many years? I'd have to check. It's like there's, our backlog is so deep, 01:54:20.340 --> 01:54:24.900 you could read a video from a decade ago. Oh, I know. Versus you could read you a video from three years ago. 01:54:24.900 --> 01:54:27.900 Re-release it in HD and call it a remaster. Here's an example. 01:54:27.900 --> 01:54:32.700 Here's an example. Thank you, Dan. I had missed Dan in this conversation. 01:54:32.700 --> 01:54:37.820 No, you didn't. Here's an example. So PC build in a fridge, does it work? 01:54:37.820 --> 01:54:41.100 I did this 10 years ago. 01:54:41.100 --> 01:54:45.580 Do you think this video needs to be done again? 01:54:45.580 --> 01:54:48.580 I don't know if it... I'm not saying it needs to be done again. 01:54:48.580 --> 01:54:51.980 Should it be done again? Could it be done again? Would it be done again? 01:54:51.980 --> 01:54:53.060 Did it be done again? 01:54:55.780 --> 01:54:59.140 I really liked weird builds back when I was in the day. 01:54:59.140 --> 01:55:02.620 I still really liked the Fallout Bomb PC. 01:55:02.620 --> 01:55:07.540 The two parts of that got 1.3 million views. The comments on it are super, super positive. 01:55:07.540 --> 01:55:09.700 I really liked doing those types of things. 01:55:10.820 --> 01:55:13.860 I don't know if the current audience wants that. 01:55:13.860 --> 01:55:19.580 They don't perform the way they used to. I also sometimes wonder if that's almost like audience 01:55:19.580 --> 01:55:24.620 coaching, like something that I think has been bad. Ooh, do I talk about this? 01:55:24.620 --> 01:55:28.300 Sure, I don't care. What's the worst that could happen? 01:55:28.300 --> 01:55:32.340 You could alienate the Land Show viewership. You could destroy our relationship. 01:55:32.340 --> 01:55:36.860 I think you'll only live once. 01:55:36.860 --> 01:55:42.820 Yeah, let's send it. I think the, and I, oh man, I worried this. 01:55:43.820 --> 01:55:47.180 I think the, I am an LTT viewer. 01:55:47.180 --> 01:55:49.780 This is why has changed. 01:55:50.820 --> 01:55:53.300 And I know there's the whole, 01:55:55.860 --> 01:56:03.180 you know, I mean, you guys are still doing some things, like the $1,600 MSRP PC thing, okay, cool. 01:56:03.380 --> 01:56:06.820 I think Liquid Metal killed my laptop now. What is a pretty cool video? 01:56:06.820 --> 01:56:11.540 Sure. I think, however, that like, you know, 01:56:11.540 --> 01:56:15.780 the M5 MacBook is on ShortCircuit. 01:56:15.780 --> 01:56:21.940 It's not on LTT. If I am a, I watch LTT because I'm a tech person. 01:56:21.940 --> 01:56:25.620 I like the entertainment and I like keeping up with, 01:56:25.620 --> 01:56:28.780 I like the entertainment. I like learning new things now and then, 01:56:28.780 --> 01:56:33.980 and I like keeping up with what's happening in the tech world. The keeping up with what's happening in the tech world 01:56:33.980 --> 01:56:38.020 isn't really there anymore. No, I think it's moved over to TechLinked 01:56:38.020 --> 01:56:41.300 in a big way when it comes to like news and announcements. 01:56:41.300 --> 01:56:45.660 We didn't talk about, and I think that the product side has moved over to ShortCircuit in a big way. 01:56:45.660 --> 01:56:49.460 And I don't think, I think those things can still happen. 01:56:49.460 --> 01:56:52.460 Yeah, I do too. But I think they can be different experiences. So that's what's, 01:56:52.460 --> 01:56:57.420 that's what kind of drives me crazy is like when we, when we broke out the additional channels, 01:56:57.420 --> 01:57:01.500 the idea always was that it would be, 01:57:02.380 --> 01:57:05.580 it was supposed to cover the same stuff, 01:57:05.580 --> 01:57:10.780 but in a different style, in a different way, that is like non-preventative. 01:57:10.780 --> 01:57:17.740 In practice, it hasn't really worked out that way for both logistical and also nonsensical reasons. 01:57:18.620 --> 01:57:22.500 Like logistically, we're not gonna buy two Apple vision pros. 01:57:22.500 --> 01:57:27.500 So only one team is gonna get to look at it at a time. 01:57:27.500 --> 01:57:30.740 And if one team prepares both the ShortCircuit 01:57:30.740 --> 01:57:34.020 and the LTT. It's gonna end up feeling same. You can kind of run into trouble. 01:57:34.020 --> 01:57:38.220 And I think a great example of that is I sure agree with that. 01:57:38.220 --> 01:57:44.500 The Xbox Alli-X, where Plouffe did a wonderful job of this ShortCircuit 01:57:45.540 --> 01:57:49.460 that got just over a hundred thousand views, 01:57:49.460 --> 01:57:56.140 making it one of the lowest performing in that cohort of video uploads. 01:57:56.140 --> 01:57:59.380 That's rough. Whereas the LTT video. 01:57:59.380 --> 01:58:02.860 The LTT one banged. Did, well, it didn't, it didn't bang. 01:58:02.860 --> 01:58:05.900 The announcement one did. The announce one one hit. 01:58:05.900 --> 01:58:12.200 And then by the time the review went up, the momentum around the Xbox Alli-X was a lot lower. 01:58:12.200 --> 01:58:15.620 The excitement was like way lower. Like I don't think that's gonna happen 01:58:15.620 --> 01:58:19.580 with the steam machine. Were you guys on lunch? I think the, yeah, oh yeah. 01:58:19.580 --> 01:58:24.860 I think the steam machine is going to maintain that excitement and maintain that conversation 01:58:24.860 --> 01:58:28.900 and maintain that momentum. But what happened was because Plouffe was actually 01:58:28.900 --> 01:58:32.300 the writer for the LTT. 01:58:32.300 --> 01:58:36.700 And because both he and I talked extensively 01:58:36.700 --> 01:58:39.980 about our experience using it. You start to watch the ShortCircuit 01:58:39.980 --> 01:58:45.980 after you've watched the LTT and you're like, I've already seen this story. Just because, and that's not because we're the same person 01:58:45.980 --> 01:58:50.820 or that we're like afraid to disagree with each other across our different channels or whatever. 01:58:50.820 --> 01:58:55.300 It's just because we're two kind of like-minded dudes who kind of work at the same place, 01:58:55.300 --> 01:58:59.180 who kind of talked a lot about the devices and had an opportunity to, 01:58:59.180 --> 01:59:02.780 because he convinced me of some things that I didn't feel. 01:59:02.780 --> 01:59:07.740 And I convinced him of some things that he didn't feel. And so our opinions ended up pretty close. 01:59:07.740 --> 01:59:12.380 Here we go, here we go. Okay. Yeah. With my setup for ShortCircuit. 01:59:12.380 --> 01:59:16.900 Yeah. Young box, it basically, when it comes through the door. 01:59:16.900 --> 01:59:21.460 Yep. If it's going to be Labs tested, 01:59:21.460 --> 01:59:26.020 it's gonna need to be Labs tested for LTT ShortCircuit, whatever anyways. 01:59:26.020 --> 01:59:32.620 So we can go to Labs for that and then it can go to the LTT team. So would you like to hear what the flow was supposed to be 01:59:32.620 --> 01:59:35.860 when we started the lab? Sure. Every- 01:59:35.860 --> 01:59:40.180 I genuinely don't know. Yeah, well, because it hasn't been relevant because it was never really, 01:59:40.180 --> 01:59:45.520 it was never really, we never got anywhere near realizing this vision. 01:59:46.460 --> 01:59:52.900 So the vision was supposed to be that the procurement team would get one of everything. 01:59:53.740 --> 01:59:58.740 Like literally, 11, 14, 100 K, 14, 100 F CPU. 02:00:00.220 --> 02:00:04.140 I do know this part. 14, 200. Okay, that's not a CPU, don't worry about it. 02:00:04.140 --> 02:00:07.820 The point is they would get one of everything. If it was, they'd get it. 02:00:07.820 --> 02:00:15.020 Literally everything. The reason that the lab is in the main inventory warehouse 02:00:15.540 --> 02:00:21.580 is because things were supposed to go straight from the procurement door to the lab. 02:00:22.580 --> 02:00:26.820 It was supposed to be tested before it even goes on a shelf. 02:00:28.020 --> 02:00:32.540 So we would test it. Lab would do some analysis. 02:00:32.540 --> 02:00:36.460 They would put up, so they would create a product page on the lab's website, 02:00:36.460 --> 02:00:40.860 add it to our comparison database and do all of that stuff. 02:00:40.860 --> 02:00:46.100 And then in that process, they would find diamonds in the rough 02:00:46.100 --> 02:00:50.060 or they would find market underperformers 02:00:50.260 --> 02:00:53.820 and that would go into, like that would be flagged. 02:00:53.820 --> 02:01:00.140 I guess in air table, we didn't have air table yet, but currently that would be flagged in air table 02:01:00.140 --> 02:01:05.820 and it would automatically go over to writer's meeting where we would once a week be going through, okay, 02:01:05.820 --> 02:01:09.020 here's products that could be that are interesting 02:01:09.020 --> 02:01:12.740 from both a standout and an underperforming perspective 02:01:12.740 --> 02:01:15.940 for potential feature on ShortCircuit or LTT. 02:01:15.940 --> 02:01:20.260 As we scaled that up across more verticals, we were supposed to have additional channels 02:01:20.260 --> 02:01:24.580 that are completely dedicated to those individual product verticals, 02:01:24.580 --> 02:01:27.580 CPU, GPU, monitor, power supply, 02:01:27.580 --> 02:01:31.940 you know, whatever PSU circuit is, the first of, not because we thought it would get 02:01:31.940 --> 02:01:35.820 the most views or because we thought it was worth putting the most resources into, 02:01:35.820 --> 02:01:41.060 but because we thought it would be relatively simple to templatize the production of it. 02:01:41.060 --> 02:01:44.540 Because they're all the same shape and size and stuff. Well established vertical for us at the time 02:01:44.540 --> 02:01:47.140 and Lucas had a good grip on it. Exactly. 02:01:48.020 --> 02:01:51.940 So then from there, the idea wasn't that Labs 02:01:51.940 --> 02:01:57.420 would go and have to do like a bunch of work for that ShortCircuit or for that LTT to be made. 02:01:57.420 --> 02:02:04.900 The idea behind it was that they had already done the work for the website and for ShortCircuit, 02:02:05.780 --> 02:02:09.220 the host would simply pull up, you know, with AeroSnap, 02:02:09.220 --> 02:02:14.060 they'd have the manufacturer website on the one side, they'd have the Labs article on the other side, 02:02:14.060 --> 02:02:17.620 they'd read through it and they would do either an informed unboxing. 02:02:17.620 --> 02:02:20.740 As I guess, I don't think I've ever phrased it that way before. 02:02:20.740 --> 02:02:26.460 I've always kind of called it unboxing plus, but what it's supposed to be is an informed unboxing 02:02:26.460 --> 02:02:29.540 and not just informed by the manufacturer, 02:02:29.540 --> 02:02:33.180 but informed by like some independently validated data. 02:02:33.180 --> 02:02:38.180 And then it just kind of, it kind of got confusing 02:02:41.940 --> 02:02:45.220 at some point. That vision's also like. Optimistic. 02:02:45.260 --> 02:02:48.260 Yes. I know. I mean. 02:02:50.580 --> 02:02:55.580 Oh, yeah, no, no, it's super wise. 02:02:56.660 --> 02:03:00.020 Oh, I know. Okay. No, no, no, no, I know. Okay. 02:03:00.020 --> 02:03:03.860 I know. I was like, bro. However. For like a few years from that now. 02:03:03.860 --> 02:03:07.980 I mean, but I never said do it tomorrow. Oh, no, yeah, for sure. 02:03:07.980 --> 02:03:15.180 You know, like it was, but that was the ultimate goal. I also think one of the kind of like flaws there, 02:03:15.180 --> 02:03:21.340 if I can poke at it a little bit, is the currently most interesting products for people, 02:03:21.340 --> 02:03:24.940 as far as I can tell, are either, you know, 02:03:24.940 --> 02:03:28.020 mainline CPU GPU. 02:03:28.020 --> 02:03:31.340 Cool. We have a launch every two years. So whatever. 02:03:32.340 --> 02:03:36.620 Outside of that, it's phones, laptops, handhelds. 02:03:36.620 --> 02:03:39.700 It's extremely complicated. 02:03:39.700 --> 02:03:44.500 Yeah, fair enough. It's extremely complicated devices that include pretty much the entire testing suite 02:03:44.540 --> 02:03:48.140 and take a very long time to test. And I know you can say, 02:03:48.140 --> 02:03:53.100 I want a lot of things to be super automated. Great. There are parts of this that are not really gonna get there. 02:03:53.100 --> 02:03:57.540 No, 100%. Display testing is going to be horrible forever. 02:03:57.540 --> 02:04:01.020 And I can tell you right now, like that's a- In regards to time and stuff. 02:04:01.020 --> 02:04:06.300 That's a big part of the reason that I think we ultimately made the mistake. 02:04:06.300 --> 02:04:10.660 I mean, I don't think there's any way to sugarcoat it, right? I think that's a big part of why we ultimately 02:04:10.660 --> 02:04:15.020 made the mistake of branching out into so many verticals at once. 02:04:15.020 --> 02:04:18.420 Because we recognized exactly that, 02:04:18.420 --> 02:04:22.900 that the direction we were going was these tightly integrated devices. 02:04:22.900 --> 02:04:26.300 And recognized that if we didn't have a CPU test suite, 02:04:26.300 --> 02:04:30.260 and a GPU test suite, and a display test suite, and a battery life testing suite, 02:04:30.260 --> 02:04:34.060 then we weren't gonna be able to test anything that people would care about. 02:04:34.060 --> 02:04:36.020 We needed literally all of them. 02:04:38.100 --> 02:04:42.220 And that sucks. 02:04:42.220 --> 02:04:45.800 Yeah. And it makes the lift of testing a lot of this stuff. 02:04:45.800 --> 02:04:53.640 Like you're talking- It's enormous. Every single thing through the door, when there's so many phones, and laptops, and things. 02:04:54.080 --> 02:04:57.160 And there's so many of those that no one will ever care 02:04:57.160 --> 02:05:01.120 about no matter what. Does not matter. 02:05:02.640 --> 02:05:06.680 And yes, there will be diamonds in the rough, but you're digging through a lot of rough 02:05:06.680 --> 02:05:10.080 to find very small diamonds. Yeah, I mean- 02:05:10.160 --> 02:05:13.240 That was the hope. 02:05:13.240 --> 02:05:16.560 It came from, I can tell you, it came from a good place. 02:05:16.560 --> 02:05:20.920 Yeah, and I think we've somewhat, he's talking, this was the original direction. 02:05:20.920 --> 02:05:24.160 We've somewhat shifted now. We still have some of that identity, 02:05:24.160 --> 02:05:27.840 and there's still some of that identity that we will be actualizing. 02:05:27.840 --> 02:05:30.880 And if we could do that in the longer term, 02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:35.000 I think there are verticals where it is realistic. With certain things, I do think it'll happen. 02:05:35.000 --> 02:05:39.400 We're not completely jumping off ship. I think we could have a database of every GPU. 02:05:40.400 --> 02:05:43.960 GPU is probably one of the ones that I think make more sense. 02:05:43.960 --> 02:05:47.000 CPU gets a little sketch when it comes to like, 02:05:47.000 --> 02:05:51.560 biosettings and little weird other things that go on. GPU, but like, I think we can also get there 02:05:51.560 --> 02:05:54.760 with CPU to be clear. Yeah, I think so too. It's just a little further out, I think. 02:05:54.760 --> 02:05:59.600 I think so. But GPU I think is probably the first one that that vision could be realized with. 02:05:59.600 --> 02:06:02.800 I think there's even other really cool things we could do with GPUs like you've talked about. 02:06:02.800 --> 02:06:07.200 I think power supply could be done. I think that it will be very challenging 02:06:07.200 --> 02:06:10.920 to parallelize the testing because unless we buy another power supply tester. 02:06:10.920 --> 02:06:16.480 I don't think it's ever gonna be worth it, personally. Yeah, we're effectively stuck at about one a week, 02:06:16.480 --> 02:06:20.520 I think, right? So be throughput capped. Well, part of that is that it's all Lucas. 02:06:20.520 --> 02:06:26.360 So we need someone else to... I thought he told me that just running all the routines 02:06:26.360 --> 02:06:29.840 takes like days and then if they fail, 02:06:29.840 --> 02:06:35.040 we have to do them again on another one. So it just like, it takes about a week, he told me. 02:06:35.040 --> 02:06:40.920 Sounds realistic. I haven't dove into that significantly because my bigger bottleneck has been just him as a person. 02:06:40.920 --> 02:06:44.480 Cause he's great. So I need him doing other things as well. 02:06:44.480 --> 02:06:50.360 So we need like a mini Lucas who can do power supply stuff. Tordirk says just clone Lucas, next problem. 02:06:50.360 --> 02:06:53.720 Where are we gonna get enough biomass? Well, yeah. And then... 02:06:53.720 --> 02:06:57.480 Have you seen how tall this man is? He doesn't fit inside the machine. Doesn't work. 02:06:57.480 --> 02:07:03.440 Dude, we were getting on a plane recently and when we were standing on the, is it called like, 02:07:03.440 --> 02:07:08.440 what is it called? The little bridge between the big bridge and the plane. 02:07:08.440 --> 02:07:11.720 The little bridge that has like the netting on the side. 02:07:11.720 --> 02:07:15.480 Let's call it a little bridge with netting on the side. I love it. The gangway, the jet bridge. 02:07:15.480 --> 02:07:19.920 Not the big jet bridge though. Just the little one that goes from the big jet bridge 02:07:19.920 --> 02:07:23.160 to the plane. We don't know what you're talking about. We don't have a specific name, whatever. 02:07:23.160 --> 02:07:26.520 Anyways. Yeah. We're standing. The line of size bridge. 02:07:26.520 --> 02:07:30.760 He was standing on that and his head was over the top of the plane. 02:07:30.760 --> 02:07:34.680 Yeah. I'm going to pretend to be surprised, 02:07:34.680 --> 02:07:36.840 but this is someone for me to converse with. 02:07:38.120 --> 02:07:42.000 I literally need to like expose my jugular. 02:07:42.000 --> 02:07:43.480 It's literal submission. 02:07:45.000 --> 02:07:49.160 Oh no. Anyways, that was pretty epic. 02:07:50.960 --> 02:07:57.480 Anyway, I don't think anything's off the table in terms of, you know, how we can optimize the, 02:07:57.480 --> 02:08:04.080 you know, optimize our workflows and try to deliver the content you guys want to watch, right? 02:08:04.080 --> 02:08:08.640 One of the things is, you know, in the wake of things, 02:08:08.640 --> 02:08:15.520 we did a lot of process adding. And I think we need to look at entire systems 02:08:15.520 --> 02:08:20.240 beginning to end and reevaluate how things flow through them 02:08:20.240 --> 02:08:23.680 with the idea of basically to a certain degree, 02:08:23.680 --> 02:08:27.040 and this is going to sound scary to people, but to a certain degree, like starting over, 02:08:27.040 --> 02:08:30.840 with how things flow through the company. I'm not saying delete the channel. 02:08:30.840 --> 02:08:34.720 I'm not saying delete anything. No, don't do that. 02:08:34.720 --> 02:08:39.720 I actually have that power. I would rather you just leave it and make LTT too, 02:08:39.720 --> 02:08:43.960 but that would also be incredibly stupid and you shouldn't do either of them. 02:08:43.960 --> 02:08:47.720 But why would you just, so Dom, don't do that. 02:08:47.720 --> 02:08:51.320 But like, yeah, because there's so many process loops. 02:08:51.320 --> 02:08:55.480 And like there will be, you know, with the MacBook video, with the low power mode thing, 02:08:55.480 --> 02:09:00.360 there was comments like, it's okay, they'll add another process and catch this next time. 02:09:00.360 --> 02:09:03.680 And it's like, cool, man, but... 02:09:03.680 --> 02:09:08.400 Also, no, if anything, I think we have like too many processes. 02:09:08.400 --> 02:09:12.640 And I think we're at the point where we have so many processes that the fact that we have 02:09:12.640 --> 02:09:15.760 so many processes is starting to introduce errors. 02:09:15.760 --> 02:09:20.440 However, so like that one was a pretty unique example, 02:09:20.440 --> 02:09:26.880 actually, because it's a MacBook. So I don't daily drive macOS, which we know, 02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:32.440 but what was new about it, very little of it was actually the macOS part. 02:09:32.440 --> 02:09:38.960 The new thing about it was that it had a new processor, which I have, I'm perfectly comfortable talking about. 02:09:41.400 --> 02:09:46.400 And so that's a video where without the pre-testing, 02:09:49.280 --> 02:09:52.420 I would have had damn near nothing to say even. 02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:58.400 Like they didn't change the keyboard. They didn't change the display. 02:09:59.680 --> 02:10:02.880 They changed practically nothing on the machine 02:10:02.880 --> 02:10:07.040 other than what Labs tested. I did, I did. 02:10:07.040 --> 02:10:10.760 So the only one I've done was the Apple Vision Pro. 02:10:10.760 --> 02:10:16.520 Yeah. And I found that personally... That's a hyper experiential device though. 02:10:16.520 --> 02:10:19.880 Personally, the one pager was not particularly useful. 02:10:19.880 --> 02:10:23.280 No, it wouldn't be. I basically never looked at it. However, I can tell you, 02:10:23.320 --> 02:10:27.320 you wouldn't have survived shooting the MacBook M5 02:10:27.320 --> 02:10:30.520 without the one pager. No, I know what I'm saying is there is an ignorance gap here 02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:35.840 because I haven't done a... So it's tough. Labs heavy one pager or a device like you're describing, 02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:39.360 where the difference is almost purely performance. 02:10:39.360 --> 02:10:43.080 Well, no. It's non-cosmetic is a big part of a problem. 02:10:43.080 --> 02:10:47.240 Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I can comment on transparent elements 02:10:47.240 --> 02:10:51.720 in the updated macOS a little bit, not much though. 02:10:51.720 --> 02:10:56.360 Is it acceptable? If that is just a bit of a weird video 02:10:56.360 --> 02:11:00.160 where the lab's performance portion of that video 02:11:00.160 --> 02:11:03.440 is a lot longer. Every process. The unboxing one is shorter. 02:11:03.440 --> 02:11:07.040 That has like an exception path. No, I don't think it's an exception path. 02:11:07.040 --> 02:11:11.480 Oh, you don't think so? I think you... And let me explain, because I understand why you would say that, 02:11:11.480 --> 02:11:14.560 that makes sense, but let me kind of restart here for a second. 02:11:14.560 --> 02:11:20.000 So I don't think anything changes in the process, but if you just don't have a ton to say, 02:11:20.000 --> 02:11:23.600 you open the laptop, say what you do have to say, 02:11:23.600 --> 02:11:28.680 and then go, this is a mostly performance change. So good luck lab and toss it off. 02:11:28.680 --> 02:11:32.520 And then we have a longer portion of the video. It doesn't actually change. 02:11:32.520 --> 02:11:36.760 It's not a process change. It doesn't change the flow. Everything happens exactly the same. 02:11:38.640 --> 02:11:43.080 But it's just, you know, if the important part is a performance, 02:11:43.080 --> 02:11:46.120 there's more lab stuff. Basically the lab section scales 02:11:46.120 --> 02:11:50.280 by how important the performance section of it is, all the way down to zero, 02:11:50.280 --> 02:11:55.520 because there are some devices that just don't get it, because there is no performance aspect 02:11:56.520 --> 02:12:04.120 with some of the things on ShortCircuit. And it can scale up if there's more, not to a hundred. 02:12:06.120 --> 02:12:11.800 But then, okay, hear me out. Why did we even bother to shoot with the host? 02:12:11.800 --> 02:12:14.000 Why doesn't Labs just do the ShortCircuit? 02:12:15.000 --> 02:12:19.280 That's his ultimate plan. 02:12:19.280 --> 02:12:23.760 He's taking over. He wants to be the L in LMG. 02:12:23.760 --> 02:12:26.760 No, this is a coup. 02:12:26.760 --> 02:12:30.840 I finally figured it out. I'm on to you. You're about to coup me. 02:12:30.840 --> 02:12:35.520 Yep. LMG, it's mine. 02:12:35.520 --> 02:12:39.000 LTT, it's mine. LTT Store, it's mine. 02:12:39.000 --> 02:12:42.560 LTTlabs.com, it's mine. That's why you named himself Luke. It's all mine. 02:12:43.560 --> 02:12:48.040 No, I think it can scale. 02:12:48.040 --> 02:12:52.160 And like, okay, that is an interesting point, but... 02:12:55.160 --> 02:12:59.360 Like here, let's have a look at the channel. I don't want to make it where it's a process change, 02:12:59.360 --> 02:13:04.840 but I do wonder like... So this is one. This is one that... That should for sure not be lab hosted. 02:13:04.840 --> 02:13:08.840 Well, okay, hold on, hold on a second, because I... 02:13:08.840 --> 02:13:13.960 There's so much subjective when it comes to mics. There is, but I would make the argument 02:13:13.960 --> 02:13:19.960 that the subjectivity only matters once this product surpasses a certain threshold 02:13:19.960 --> 02:13:24.840 of objective goodness. So a mouse is... 02:13:24.840 --> 02:13:28.000 A mouse can only be relevant at all 02:13:28.000 --> 02:13:34.000 if it's like not a complete... Because this is a gaming mouse. Remember, this is specifically a gaming mouse. 02:13:34.000 --> 02:13:39.000 So unless it's tracking is on par and latency, 02:13:39.480 --> 02:13:44.000 is on par with the rest of the industry, and to be clear, this is a Pro X Superlight 2C. 02:13:44.000 --> 02:13:47.840 I'm sure it's fine, but if it isn't fine, 02:13:47.840 --> 02:13:52.760 then we basically need to establish that first. There's a ton of startups in the mice space. 02:13:52.760 --> 02:13:56.680 And then we can get into the subjectivity, right? 02:13:56.680 --> 02:14:01.120 So sometimes, I guess the point I'm trying to make is sometimes the order of operations 02:14:01.120 --> 02:14:04.240 is not necessarily even the same. 02:14:04.240 --> 02:14:07.560 Like a monitor, I think there's a fair bit you can talk about. 02:14:07.560 --> 02:14:10.920 You can unbox it. You can talk about the size, the display technology. 02:14:10.920 --> 02:14:14.040 You can talk about if it has some cool aesthetic, 02:14:14.040 --> 02:14:20.520 sort of RGB on the back. Oh, we have the all transparent PC coming on LTT. 02:14:22.280 --> 02:14:25.720 Everything's clear. Old school acrylic case. 02:14:25.720 --> 02:14:29.200 Acrylic case power supply, okay? 02:14:29.200 --> 02:14:32.680 It's been a while. Water cooling, of course, with acrylic hardline tubing. 02:14:32.680 --> 02:14:37.680 A full acrylic desk made of like inch and a half thick... 02:14:37.800 --> 02:14:40.880 Sometimes you guys go so far with things. 02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:45.240 We found a monitor. Did you need the desk? With an acrylic back. 02:14:47.400 --> 02:14:52.160 We borrowed the desk, so it wasn't actually that much work. Was that one of those like prison ones? 02:14:52.160 --> 02:14:55.840 No. No, it's just an ASUS gaming monitor. They did one with an acrylic back. 02:14:55.840 --> 02:15:00.600 It looks so cool. Anyway, sorry. That is sick. So yeah, is there a cool aesthetic thing? 02:15:00.600 --> 02:15:04.920 And then you can kind of hand over to Labs. But like, it just... 02:15:04.920 --> 02:15:08.240 So what you're saying is right now that it doesn't seem like it works with every vertical... 02:15:08.240 --> 02:15:12.920 Cause I want to keep working on this. Cause we need to find more efficient ways to flow. 02:15:12.920 --> 02:15:17.000 But even this one's kind of tough, right? Because, okay, do I hand off to Labs 02:15:18.080 --> 02:15:21.760 first before I game on it and give my impressions 02:15:23.680 --> 02:15:27.320 and then do we come back to me gaming on it 02:15:27.320 --> 02:15:31.440 and I'm just talking about how it feels pretty good, man. 02:15:31.440 --> 02:15:36.960 Or do I game on it for a bit and then I hand it off to Labs for their objective analysis? 02:15:38.160 --> 02:15:42.360 Either way, either order, we could end up with conflicting information, 02:15:42.360 --> 02:15:46.920 which I don't love. It's not clean. I don't, yeah. 02:15:48.000 --> 02:15:51.880 And that's nothing against Ploof. I mean, this man, he owns a display. 02:15:51.880 --> 02:15:54.080 He does own a display. He does own a display. 02:15:55.000 --> 02:15:58.680 And so... I think you might own more than one. You know what? 02:15:58.680 --> 02:16:02.280 We actually have that video coming too. He might have been lying to us cause he said A display. 02:16:02.280 --> 02:16:06.320 Nick Ploof. He's a man who owns displays. Officially owns two displays. 02:16:06.320 --> 02:16:09.640 He bought one for $70 for Whale Land. 02:16:10.720 --> 02:16:14.560 And we did a full LTT on it. On his journey of discovering 02:16:14.560 --> 02:16:18.000 that he wants a monitor that's easier to move 02:16:18.000 --> 02:16:22.760 and is better for lands. That might not want to, he might be sketched out on moving his nice one. 02:16:22.760 --> 02:16:26.880 And that he found out could be obtained for as little as $70 US 02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:30.360 for a perfectly Cromulant gaming monitor. Cromulant. 02:16:30.720 --> 02:16:34.760 Do you have one of those Rockat monitor carrying bags? 02:16:34.760 --> 02:16:38.080 No, but that sounds amazing. Oh, I've got one at my desk. 02:16:38.080 --> 02:16:41.440 Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Well, it's not actually mine. 02:16:41.440 --> 02:16:44.440 It's technically Derris's, but I have one somewhere as well. Excellent. 02:16:47.000 --> 02:16:50.720 Yeah. Like, I don't know what you can say 02:16:50.720 --> 02:16:55.360 about a pair of headphones. Honestly, I didn't want to bring it up because I'm trying to get this idea moving, 02:16:55.360 --> 02:16:58.360 but I saw that thumbnail and was like, hmm. 02:16:58.360 --> 02:17:01.920 Yeah. But here's a thing. 02:17:01.920 --> 02:17:04.920 Here's a, here's a, hmm, here's a thing. 02:17:04.920 --> 02:17:08.120 The headphones vertical. And I understand you're going to give pushback 02:17:08.120 --> 02:17:11.200 because you're like, that's right now. That's that person. That's an individual thing. 02:17:11.200 --> 02:17:16.840 That's not the whole, those are all fair comments. Yeah. But we could have just the same person do the whole thing. 02:17:18.280 --> 02:17:21.760 I mean, that's, yeah, but I mean, there are complications with that right now. 02:17:21.760 --> 02:17:25.520 Mr, Mr. Or, well, let's talk about that offline. 02:17:25.520 --> 02:17:28.880 Sure. Yeah, okay. It might be even easier though. Okay. 02:17:28.880 --> 02:17:31.760 All right. We can talk about it later and I understand. 02:17:34.160 --> 02:17:37.560 But like, and like there's certain stuff that Labs doesn't even need to touch. 02:17:37.560 --> 02:17:41.560 I don't need Labs to tell me about this phone controller. I'm just going to use it. 02:17:41.560 --> 02:17:45.040 What? We could talk about input latency. 02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:49.160 We could talk about. Yeah, but I don't care because if I'm seriously gaming, 02:17:49.160 --> 02:17:54.280 I'm not using a phone because I'm not a Gen Alpha. Yeah, but that might be a problem with your ability 02:17:54.280 --> 02:17:57.920 to relate to the young children. No, no, no. 02:17:57.960 --> 02:18:01.680 They're sixes and they're sevens and they're... You're honestly not even, you're not even wrong. 02:18:01.680 --> 02:18:05.000 Yeah. You're not even wrong. Cause that actually, I mean, 02:18:05.000 --> 02:18:09.120 that got more views than I expected. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. 02:18:09.120 --> 02:18:11.440 It's kind of funky. I'm not good. 02:18:14.480 --> 02:18:17.960 Sure. But like... Where's my thing? 02:18:17.960 --> 02:18:22.000 Yeah, let's go. But there's just, there's a bunch of stuff and like, okay. 02:18:22.000 --> 02:18:27.680 So I do, I do want to figure something out. I honestly like that there was holes poked in the idea, 02:18:27.680 --> 02:18:33.320 but it doesn't necessarily seem like it's completely gone at least. 02:18:33.320 --> 02:18:38.520 There's ways to cook. You know what else is not completely gone? All the topics we're supposed to get through 02:18:38.520 --> 02:18:42.520 on the land show here. But yeah, I think we got to get back to six on LTT. 02:18:42.520 --> 02:18:46.240 I think one of those ways is bringing back reviews. Six. Or maybe seven. 02:18:46.240 --> 02:18:49.240 Yeah. Maybe seven. It's officially not cool anymore. 02:18:49.240 --> 02:18:51.760 Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. It rents. 02:18:53.480 --> 02:18:58.520 I think it's been not cool for like a while. Yeah. Now there's a time to start using it then. 02:18:58.520 --> 02:19:02.960 But now, hold the line. So it's officially not cool. 02:19:02.960 --> 02:19:06.520 Nice. It wasn't official before. Are your kids saying that now? 02:19:06.520 --> 02:19:09.040 No. No, they don't care? No, nice. 02:19:11.680 --> 02:19:14.880 They're not really allowed like social media apps. 02:19:14.880 --> 02:19:18.240 So... Nice, good. Yeah. Awesome. 02:19:18.240 --> 02:19:21.680 They don't really like... Great parenting. See this crap. I am being serious just to be clear. 02:19:21.680 --> 02:19:25.000 Yeah. They'll pick it up occasionally at school and stuff. 02:19:25.000 --> 02:19:28.840 Yeah, sure. Yeah, of course. That are just scrolling brain rot. 02:19:28.840 --> 02:19:30.520 Yeah. That sucks. 02:19:32.040 --> 02:19:35.520 All right. Floatplane announcement is what the thing 02:19:35.520 --> 02:19:40.040 above Dan's monitor says. Oh, fun. We know that you're hungry 02:19:40.040 --> 02:19:42.440 for the Linus Torvalds collab video to come out. 02:19:43.440 --> 02:19:50.320 It's gonna take some time to cook. But what we can provide is some teasers from the day 02:19:50.640 --> 02:19:55.440 as well as some footage snippets. 02:19:55.440 --> 02:19:59.760 This is one example that we have over on Floatplane. 02:19:59.760 --> 02:20:03.600 LMG staff hangs out with Linus Torvalds after the shoot. 02:20:03.600 --> 02:20:07.560 If you wanna get some idea of how cool other Linus is, 02:20:07.560 --> 02:20:10.760 literally no one dared. 02:20:10.760 --> 02:20:16.000 No one dared to press this button. It's really unnecessary to go do it right now, by the way. 02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:21.120 You really don't have to do that. They generally don't. The Floatplane audience is like actually not like f*** ups. 02:20:21.120 --> 02:20:25.080 So it's pretty cool. Yeah. 02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:29.600 Yeah, based, thank you for that. Anyway, people are freaking loving it. 02:20:29.600 --> 02:20:32.640 So just again, I've talked about this already, 02:20:32.640 --> 02:20:37.840 but he was so generous with his time. He just hung around and chatted with our staff 02:20:37.840 --> 02:20:42.360 for basically as long as they wanted to chat with him. And it was flipping awesome. 02:20:42.360 --> 02:20:46.160 It was such a cool experience for people here. Like honestly, it was one of those things 02:20:46.160 --> 02:20:52.240 that makes me proud as an employer to even run a place that was cool enough 02:20:52.240 --> 02:20:58.720 to have a guest that was a big deal enough that people on our staff get this one-on-one experience 02:20:58.720 --> 02:21:04.600 with him because he was willing to come to our building. It's like, how insane is that? 02:21:05.480 --> 02:21:10.240 He doesn't see it that way, I don't think. No, probably not. At all, but I do. 02:21:11.080 --> 02:21:15.520 It was amazing. Anyway, so that's one of the Floatplane exclusives 02:21:15.520 --> 02:21:21.040 that we have. We also have apparently the first 10 minutes 02:21:21.040 --> 02:21:23.440 of the Linus Torvalds collab. 02:21:24.440 --> 02:21:28.720 Worked hard to get the first 10 minutes of our highly anticipated collab video. 02:21:28.720 --> 02:21:32.840 I don't know if I wanna play this. What? Oh, whoa, there he is signing my copy 02:21:32.840 --> 02:21:38.240 of his autobiography though, so that's pretty cool. Oh, so did we actually edit it? 02:21:39.200 --> 02:21:44.040 Oh, interesting. You know what, no audio. No audio. You're gonna have to subscribe to Floatplane. 02:21:44.040 --> 02:21:46.800 That is intriguing. My god. 02:21:50.360 --> 02:21:51.200 It's good. 02:21:58.920 --> 02:22:01.960 It looks awesome! Smell the drinks. 02:22:01.960 --> 02:22:07.360 Have you tried it? Did you like this video, or have you watched it before? 02:22:07.360 --> 02:22:13.480 It looks romantic. Yeah, music, you know what? It's so wonderful, but in my opinion, 02:22:13.480 --> 02:22:20.040 yourется dépied well. weekend videos uploaded to Floatplane, thanks to Plufu on the display, and our 02:22:20.040 --> 02:22:24.160 editors Peter and Tyson. It says, open the link and make it live on 02:22:24.160 --> 02:22:30.400 Deathstream. How is Elijah as brainwrought as he is and as high 02:22:30.400 --> 02:22:35.040 functioning as he is? Isn't this Sammy? Did I say Elijah? Sorry, I meant Sammy. Yeah. 02:22:35.040 --> 02:22:40.440 Yeah. No, not Elijah. Elijah's... No, I know. Yeah, we understand why Elijah's the way he is. 02:22:41.040 --> 02:22:46.280 Sammy, it's confusing. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, here it is. Oh, yeah, here it is. 02:22:46.280 --> 02:22:52.560 Pluf's second display that he owns. That's actually awesome. I'm gonna add that. 02:22:52.560 --> 02:22:59.320 Pluf owns a second display. Yeah. No, he can't say that he owns a display. 02:22:59.320 --> 02:23:05.400 He has to say that he owns displays. Truly, a great day for Canada and therefore the world. 02:23:05.400 --> 02:23:14.880 Okay. And it's live. Cool. So, that's up. And so, yeah, we're trying to do a little bit more 02:23:14.880 --> 02:23:25.720 early access, which is kind of neat. We're also... Oh, this is going up. Oh! We're doing another deep 02:23:25.720 --> 02:23:33.880 fake and generated video, which you know about because Nick from the lab has been deeply pun intended, 02:23:34.360 --> 02:23:41.400 involved in the creation of this. Yeah. Apparently, that's also going up right now. Boom! 02:23:43.080 --> 02:23:51.720 And boom. Nice. Noice. Some of that is wild. Oh, it's pretty cool. And if you like, know me well. 02:23:52.280 --> 02:23:56.360 You know, you would look at it and you'd go... Dude, there's parts of it that are close. 02:23:56.920 --> 02:24:02.280 But also that. But yeah, you can tell. But you can tell, like you said, if you know people... 02:24:02.280 --> 02:24:07.560 Like, man, people will send me clips of like, oh my God, someone dubbed Linus' audio. It sounds 02:24:07.560 --> 02:24:12.120 just like him. It'll sound like like a Boston accent to me. And I'm like, what are you talking 02:24:12.120 --> 02:24:19.240 about? It doesn't sound like Linus at all. But I don't know. Oh, cool. I am logged into Twitter 02:24:19.240 --> 02:24:25.160 right now. Someone sent me... Someone sent me this. Oh, because I probably logged in for the show 02:24:25.160 --> 02:24:31.480 at some point. No, no, I'm going to bring it up. Nano Banana Pro. I haven't actually played around 02:24:31.480 --> 02:24:38.760 with this particular image editor, but someone just sent me a shot of me building a computer 02:24:38.760 --> 02:24:47.720 with N-Hathaway. Nice. That is surprisingly convincing. Like, this was one that in this, 02:24:47.720 --> 02:24:54.920 at this size, when I first looked at it, like initial glance, I went, I don't remember collabing 02:24:54.920 --> 02:25:00.280 with this person. I didn't actually recognize them as N-Hathaway yet. But I was just like, 02:25:00.280 --> 02:25:05.160 that's weird. I don't remember. I don't remember that set. And I don't, wait, no, yeah, we've never 02:25:05.160 --> 02:25:12.040 made that shirt. Oh, this is AI. But it took me, it took me more than half a second. When I glanced 02:25:12.040 --> 02:25:17.400 over, yeah, I moved away from the mic. Sorry. When I glanced over, I first thought like, really, 02:25:17.400 --> 02:25:21.960 he's going to promote like someone's tweet of a video collab. That's a weird way to do that. 02:25:21.960 --> 02:25:26.200 And then when I saw it over there, I was like, oh yeah, it's just not real. You can kind of tell in 02:25:26.200 --> 02:25:30.760 your face. It's pretty good. You can kind of tell. My teeth aren't right. But it's like, 02:25:30.760 --> 02:25:36.840 it's nailed the earrings. It's nailed the old hairstyle. It's the old, it's my younger Linus 02:25:36.840 --> 02:25:44.520 hairstyle on my older Linus face. So there's little things like that. But the hands are pretty 02:25:44.520 --> 02:25:50.680 good. It even has my wedding band, which is pretty wild. You would never wear an anti-static strap. 02:25:51.560 --> 02:26:01.240 I have fake news. I have fake news. At times. The continuity of things is somewhat kind of 02:26:01.240 --> 02:26:05.800 believable in some cases. Like that looks like a real tool. What is that? Not one for building PCs, 02:26:05.800 --> 02:26:09.800 but a tool of some sort. What is that like blue thing on the mat? I think that's a measuring tape. 02:26:11.160 --> 02:26:16.600 It doesn't know what tools people use for building PCs. It doesn't know what exactly PC, 02:26:16.680 --> 02:26:21.240 like desktop PC cables look like, but this could look like an electronics cable of some sort. 02:26:21.240 --> 02:26:27.960 This too, somewhat believable. It screwed up where GPUs go because they go more up here 02:26:27.960 --> 02:26:35.640 and less like right against the bottom grill of a PC. The case looks pretty good though. 02:26:35.640 --> 02:26:40.840 The case looks pretty believable. I can see the bottom of the case looking like that. 02:26:40.840 --> 02:26:49.560 All the logos are pretty good for the most part. This looks a little funky. It's trying to do 02:26:49.560 --> 02:26:54.680 shiny and it doesn't really know how to handle the lighting. To me, honestly, when you zoomed in 02:26:54.680 --> 02:26:59.080 there, it felt like they were trying to do like a wafer texture. Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. 02:27:02.200 --> 02:27:07.480 The hands though. They're not bad. This pinky looks a little off, but it also just looks like 02:27:07.480 --> 02:27:12.200 she could kind of have it up here like that. Yeah. This is a little weird. No, it's just 02:27:12.200 --> 02:27:20.040 squished against the fan. But not that weird. Man, anyway, so the video is about 02:27:23.160 --> 02:27:29.320 following up the one we did five years ago where we deep faked me on ShortCircuit and then made 02:27:29.320 --> 02:27:37.400 the LTT about how we did it. The main focus this time is, hey, that thing we did before, 02:27:37.400 --> 02:27:47.960 you can totally still do that. By the way, it's way easier. Way easier. And it's not necessarily 02:27:47.960 --> 02:27:54.840 easy to do like what we did where I... Did we end up using the clips where I juggle computers? 02:27:54.840 --> 02:27:59.720 I can't remember. Oh, yeah, those things might be a little bit more difficult. I've heard the 02:27:59.720 --> 02:28:05.640 argument of like doing this first frame, last frame thing, isn't going to be viable. I think that is 02:28:05.640 --> 02:28:10.840 so completely wrong. What do you mean by viable? I've heard an argument say, okay, so this idea is 02:28:10.840 --> 02:28:15.160 you get the first frame and the last frame, and then you can kind of gen the things between it. 02:28:16.520 --> 02:28:20.600 My argument is that I think the way a lot of this is going to be used is to change 02:28:20.600 --> 02:28:25.800 things that exist, which is exactly how that would work. Oh, so when you say... So people are 02:28:25.800 --> 02:28:31.480 saying it won't be viable to get a first frame and a last frame to make someone do something that 02:28:31.480 --> 02:28:37.080 they wouldn't do. No, I... That is absolutely a thing. I totally agree, especially because most 02:28:37.080 --> 02:28:42.840 of what it's being used for right now by scammers is to make people say something that they didn't 02:28:42.840 --> 02:28:47.720 say. And if all you need is a frame of them sitting in a place with their mouth closed, 02:28:47.720 --> 02:28:53.800 you could even use the same frame for your first and last frame. So we did end up going full 02:28:53.800 --> 02:28:59.080 challenge. So we don't have to have the audio playing, but basically the first line is, 02:28:59.080 --> 02:29:03.880 my mom always told me that building a computer is not enough. You have to learn to juggle computers. 02:29:05.720 --> 02:29:13.080 Crazy. That's crazy. That's why I take Linus pills. And like, I can tell here for sure, 02:29:13.080 --> 02:29:17.880 but that's great. Like your... Yeah, the mouth was a little weird there. You morph here. In my 02:29:17.880 --> 02:29:22.600 opinion, it gets you confused and like you turn it to David right there, right there right at the 02:29:22.600 --> 02:29:28.200 end when you're walking through the door. You're like physiology changes. Yeah. But this is crazy, 02:29:28.200 --> 02:29:40.520 dude. That's crazy, man. It's actually nuts. Again, I can tell, but like, oh, not by a ton. 02:29:41.480 --> 02:29:45.560 And if I wasn't really paying attention, if it was side monitor content, whatever, 02:29:45.560 --> 02:29:49.240 I might not really have noticed. That's what we're kind of hoping to get people with when 02:29:49.960 --> 02:29:53.480 this goes live on YouTube, is if they're not like really paying attention. 02:29:54.440 --> 02:30:01.480 It's like, wait, what? Yeah. And with the idea being that we're kind of 02:30:02.600 --> 02:30:08.920 highlighting how good it's gotten and also just again, how easy it's gotten. 02:30:09.880 --> 02:30:13.000 The last... Stay the passive. This isn't very well done either. 02:30:13.000 --> 02:30:18.120 This can be made perfectly. I haven't seen one ever. So I don't necessarily agree. 02:30:20.600 --> 02:30:27.240 Perfectly? Yeah, I don't agree with that. Yeah, I don't. I've never seen one done perfectly. I'd 02:30:27.240 --> 02:30:31.800 love to see it. Stay the passive. If you want to go ahead and throw that in the chat, we'd love 02:30:31.800 --> 02:30:36.760 to check out. Yeah. You don't know when you don't know. But like, you need to give... 02:30:37.720 --> 02:30:41.720 You have to give an example. And remember, it's a lot simpler 02:30:41.720 --> 02:30:46.680 to do something where somebody's just sitting. That might look so convincing that you would say, 02:30:46.680 --> 02:30:55.080 oh yeah, that generated video looks perfect. But something where people move and interact with 02:30:55.080 --> 02:31:01.960 other objects and stuff. Okay. Well, it's the... You can't prove me wrong argument. 02:31:01.960 --> 02:31:05.480 Yeah, that's not how that works. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. 02:31:05.880 --> 02:31:13.960 That's a fundamental law of arguments. Yeah. Okay. Also, in other news, we have... 02:31:13.960 --> 02:31:19.160 What is with all these Floatplane exclusives he has me announcing? James's theater room is better 02:31:19.160 --> 02:31:25.640 than Linus's. Linus never invited me to his theater room. That is so not true. I never did. 02:31:25.640 --> 02:31:35.400 That is 100% not true. The theater room was part of lands and pool parties at my house 02:31:35.480 --> 02:31:41.880 Sammy wasn't invited. Sammy was 100% invited. There was a footnote on the invite that specifically 02:31:41.880 --> 02:31:46.120 said, if your name is Sammy, you're not invited. It was pretty explicit. Specifically not true. 02:31:46.120 --> 02:31:51.480 It was pretty explicit. Yeah. Anyway, the... It's in the handbook actually. 02:31:53.800 --> 02:31:55.640 Page four, subsection six. 02:31:58.360 --> 02:32:01.720 See, Dan knows it off dome because he has to keep Sammy away from things all the time. 02:32:01.720 --> 02:32:05.880 Yeah, it's actually part of my responsibilities. You guys are ridiculous. 02:32:08.120 --> 02:32:11.560 In other Floatplane news... Just like Sammy, if you let him in a theater room, it gets ugly. 02:32:11.560 --> 02:32:18.040 In other Floatplane news, we are going to be having a price increase on Floatplane, but the 02:32:18.040 --> 02:32:23.400 dock that I am supposed to... I can figure this out. I can share it for if you want. 02:32:23.400 --> 02:32:29.480 I do not have access to. So I would love to walk you guys through how it's going to work, 02:32:30.120 --> 02:32:34.040 but I cannot. So in the meantime, why don't I run through our sponsors 02:32:34.040 --> 02:32:37.800 and we'll get to that in a moment. 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So start building your website today and get 10% 02:34:58.760 --> 02:35:03.720 off your first purchase by visiting squarespace.com slash when. What was that footage of someone 02:35:03.720 --> 02:35:15.080 breaking into a place? Neat. All right, Luke. Did you get the thing? I did. You should be shared 02:35:15.080 --> 02:35:19.080 on it? Nice. Can you try a little bit again? If not, I can just like handy my phone, but you 02:35:19.080 --> 02:35:30.760 should be shared on it. You just offered to handy me your phone? Yes. Nice. Nice. All right. We've 02:35:30.760 --> 02:35:37.000 talked about it. We've tased it. We're finally doing it. The price of a monthly Floatplane 02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:45.240 subscription is going up. But before you freak out, yeah, no, not for you Floatplane subscribers. 02:35:45.880 --> 02:35:55.480 Both OGs and current full rate subscribers will be not affected by the price increase as long as they 02:35:55.480 --> 02:36:05.720 do not cancel and re-subscribe. So how's this going to work? If you are a new or returning 02:36:05.720 --> 02:36:13.400 subscriber, the new prices will be 799 US dollars for the supporter tier and 1299 US dollars for the 02:36:13.400 --> 02:36:22.440 supporter plus tier effective December 31st. That's right. If you are a subscriber before December 02:36:22.440 --> 02:36:28.920 31st, you can lock in at our legacy rates of 5 and 10 dollars for the two tiers respectively. 02:36:30.040 --> 02:36:33.880 So you can go to LMG.GG slash Floatplane right now to sign up. 02:36:34.920 --> 02:36:39.320 One quick sec. Katowice already pointed this out. We only talk about monthly prices here. 02:36:39.320 --> 02:36:43.320 There will be yearly ones as well. Yeah. Yes, you are still grandfathered if you're on the yearly 02:36:43.320 --> 02:36:49.160 plan. It'll be okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's not. You don't have to switch to a monthly plan. No. No, 02:36:49.560 --> 02:36:55.160 and our yearly rates are just derived from our monthly rates. Yeah. So it'll be fine. Well, 02:36:57.160 --> 02:37:00.680 I don't want to say anything. You guys technically set the prices on full plane. It's up to the 02:37:00.680 --> 02:37:07.560 creator to set the prices. But I think what you guys did was 10 months effectively. I think so. 02:37:07.560 --> 02:37:13.080 Yeah. So like a $10 tier right now is $100 for the year because it's factored at 10 months. 02:37:13.080 --> 02:37:17.480 So it's not times 12. It's times 10. I don't know for sure that it'll be that way because I 02:37:17.480 --> 02:37:22.520 actually don't know what the annual rate is, but probably. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Why? Well, 02:37:22.520 --> 02:37:28.360 there are three reasons. One was we took so long to do this because we had to wait until we had a 02:37:28.360 --> 02:37:33.800 clear roadmap for what Floatplane would look like in 2026 and beyond. You've seen some hints of it, 02:37:33.800 --> 02:37:38.680 like early access for big series like Scrapyard Wars and Secret Shopper. You've seen Black Friday, 02:37:38.680 --> 02:37:44.280 Cyber Monday, Early Access to Deals. You've seen exciting Floatplane exclusives like the Jimmy 02:37:44.280 --> 02:37:49.960 Fallon vlog, the Why is When late series, not to mention our themed weeks like Luke Week 2, 02:37:49.960 --> 02:37:55.240 which is coming in December. And now we're ready to bring more features such as Early Access for 02:37:55.240 --> 02:38:00.760 some LTT videos as well as badges. We do have more features in development, but we'll publicly 02:38:00.760 --> 02:38:06.520 announce them when they are closer to completion. Reason number the second for why now. We wanted 02:38:06.520 --> 02:38:11.080 to time the announcement so that folks could join at the old pricing during the best time to get 02:38:11.080 --> 02:38:15.800 deals on stuff, Black Friday, Cyber Monday. This gives new subscribers early access to 02:38:15.800 --> 02:38:20.200 LTT Store deals on November 27th. Oh, did I just announce when our Black Friday deals are going 02:38:20.200 --> 02:38:27.400 live? I guess. I guess I did. I didn't realize. Alongside the four amazing Linus Torvalds exclusives 02:38:27.400 --> 02:38:31.800 that we have up right now on Floatplane, including the first 10 minutes of the main video. If you've 02:38:31.800 --> 02:38:35.880 been on the fence for a while, we wanted to give you one more opportunity to get in at the best 02:38:35.880 --> 02:38:41.320 possible time and price. Reason number three for why we're doing this. Creating videos and 02:38:41.320 --> 02:38:49.560 running a hosting platform. They don't have the same costs yesterday year and this year. 02:38:50.520 --> 02:38:54.440 And neither do some of the major investments that we're making into content 02:38:54.440 --> 02:39:01.480 in the coming year, like the tech house and one other quite large one that we have not 02:39:01.560 --> 02:39:07.800 announced yet. Some other time. Some other time. Not today. But as we're sticking to, 02:39:07.800 --> 02:39:11.560 I'm going to insert here. Go slightly off script. Sorry, Sammy. Don't forget what I got this. We're 02:39:11.560 --> 02:39:17.160 all good. Nice. I love off script plan show. Yeah. Brace yourself, Dan. Yeah. No, it'll be fine. 02:39:17.800 --> 02:39:22.920 We committed a long time ago to not increase the prices on people that were sticking around 02:39:22.920 --> 02:39:27.880 and that includes the OG tier, which is not getting affected by this at all in any way. 02:39:27.880 --> 02:39:35.800 So hold on. I don't know that for sure. We have allowed OGs to unsubscribe and resubscribe 02:39:35.800 --> 02:39:39.800 at the OG rate in the past. We have. I don't know if that is the case anymore, 02:39:39.800 --> 02:39:42.440 so I'm going to have to get you guys an answer on that. They can be separate. 02:39:43.880 --> 02:39:47.320 They can be separate. So it depends on the business logic. Oh, I know they can, 02:39:47.320 --> 02:39:51.400 but I don't know if we are, I don't know if we're committed. Have we committed to that? 02:39:51.400 --> 02:39:57.320 I, oh, I actually don't know. I don't technically know, but we should not change it if we committed 02:39:57.320 --> 02:40:01.560 to it. So yeah, we need to figure out if we've committed to it, but I didn't see it messaged 02:40:01.560 --> 02:40:05.560 clearly in here. So I was leaving it intentionally ambiguous for now while I go back and find out. 02:40:05.560 --> 02:40:07.800 Yeah, we shouldn't change how we treat OGs. 02:40:10.360 --> 02:40:16.600 Why no annual plan for the OGs? There are complications there. And it's already discounted. 02:40:17.240 --> 02:40:20.920 So it's already cheaper than the annual plan. Well, okay, but that's not entirely, 02:40:22.120 --> 02:40:26.680 there are reasons why it might be better for it. Like people have pointed out for the OG tier, 02:40:26.680 --> 02:40:31.640 you could do a 12 month yearly plan so that they don't get the discount for the yearly, 02:40:32.520 --> 02:40:37.640 but it's still better for certain people in certain areas because getting dinged for currency 02:40:37.640 --> 02:40:43.160 conversions and certain other things might be really beneficial. It's also technically beneficial 02:40:43.160 --> 02:40:47.160 for us. Oh, I know it's beneficial for us because we wouldn't get a significant amount of payment 02:40:47.160 --> 02:40:50.760 processor charges. But I thought there was a technical reason why it was really challenging. 02:40:50.760 --> 02:40:56.920 There is that might be no longer a thing fairly soon. I don't know. We're planning on looking 02:40:56.920 --> 02:41:02.760 at payments again soon here. This is great. Ed Zeem says every OG is now going back through 02:41:02.760 --> 02:41:08.200 hours of WAN shows for proof. Yeah, so if we committed to that in the past, we're not messing 02:41:08.200 --> 02:41:14.040 with OGs. We're not going to change how we treat them. And we're not messing with anyone who is 02:41:14.040 --> 02:41:18.360 already subscribed. You will not get a price increase. And to be clear on a technical level, 02:41:19.240 --> 02:41:24.680 because of technical errors that might result in cancellations and stuff like 02:41:25.880 --> 02:41:30.680 if you run into a problem with contact support. Yeah. Anyway, carrying on. We've kept our prices 02:41:30.680 --> 02:41:36.920 steady for a really long time. I think the last time we increased them was, shoot, I think that 02:41:36.920 --> 02:41:42.600 was in an earlier version of the draft for this. I don't remember. So I'm not going to say anything. 02:41:43.320 --> 02:41:47.080 No, I think it was 2018. Was that the last time we increased pricing? 02:41:48.120 --> 02:41:52.680 I don't remember. Don't worry about it. Anyway, we've kept our pricing steady for a long time 02:41:52.680 --> 02:41:57.560 while our costs have risen. But at some point, we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't 02:41:57.560 --> 02:42:00.840 try to catch up and looking at other paid subscription platforms like Patreon, 02:42:00.840 --> 02:42:05.880 we don't feel that the new rates are out of line. With all that said, all of that said, 02:42:05.880 --> 02:42:12.360 we know that times are tough for many people out there right now. And we are always consistent 02:42:12.440 --> 02:42:19.400 in telling people, choose yourself over our extra content. Priorities, food on the table, 02:42:20.200 --> 02:42:28.040 roof over the head, cool LMG extras and merch in that order. We also plan on uploading this 02:42:28.040 --> 02:42:33.480 segment to our clips channel, LMG Clips. Was the plan for this to be a video? Well, anyway. 02:42:33.480 --> 02:42:38.760 Thank you. Oh, right. I guess I just did it. Thank you, everyone, for supporting Floatplane 02:42:38.760 --> 02:42:44.360 and the rest of the LMG team. If you guys want to subscribe, it's a great time. LMG.GG slash 02:42:45.000 --> 02:42:50.040 Floatplane. Dart24 said, yes, you said OG could unsubscribe and resub at OG tier. We'll figure 02:42:50.040 --> 02:42:54.760 that out. I'm pretty sure we did. I think we might have put a fixed grace period on it. Like, 02:42:54.760 --> 02:42:59.800 it might be like three months or something. But either way, we're not going to take anything back 02:42:59.800 --> 02:43:04.200 from the OG tier. It's not how we roll. It's not going to happen. That's not the trust me, bro, 02:43:04.280 --> 02:43:10.040 guarantee. And we have been dealing with it that way. So I think it makes sense to keep it going 02:43:10.040 --> 02:43:15.240 that way. I don't know if it's like literally forever, but it might be. This one might not 02:43:15.240 --> 02:43:20.920 operate that way. I don't think this one does. This one explicitly does not. Yeah, okay. If you are 02:43:20.920 --> 02:43:26.360 subscribed at a $5 tier right now. The OG tier is a special thing. You are locking that in and you 02:43:26.360 --> 02:43:33.800 don't resubscribe at that tier. It is new. If you are a new subscriber after December 31st, 02:43:34.200 --> 02:43:37.880 or a returning subscriber, it will be at the new rate. That I know for sure. 02:43:37.880 --> 02:43:41.320 There's some people asking what the OG tier is or how you even get it and whatever. 02:43:41.320 --> 02:43:46.840 So the way you got it was by subscribing to Floatplane on the LTT forum. 02:43:46.840 --> 02:43:52.600 And then transferring, this part was actually important because you had to transfer over 02:43:52.600 --> 02:43:56.200 to the Floatplane site before a certain date. The window was pretty big. 02:43:56.200 --> 02:44:02.680 And because Floatplane was technically a separate legal entity and run through a 02:44:02.680 --> 02:44:08.840 different payment processor, we couldn't just migrate it automatically. So in order to reduce 02:44:08.840 --> 02:44:14.920 the amount of attrition from asking people to like re-input their payment methods and sign up 02:44:14.920 --> 02:44:22.280 on a new website. And just purely banking people for dealing with it in the state it was on the 02:44:22.600 --> 02:44:26.360 forum. Yeah, we made it very affordable. Yeah. 02:44:30.200 --> 02:44:35.480 We get OG badges. The badges stuff is a feature that the Floatplane team is making. 02:44:36.120 --> 02:44:43.080 It will appear in a variety of ways throughout the platform, chat and comments, and how it gets 02:44:43.080 --> 02:44:47.560 managed is a little bit currently still up in the air. It's a feature that's coming. 02:44:48.520 --> 02:44:52.200 It's, you're not going to be able to display an infinite amount of badges. So we're going to 02:44:52.200 --> 02:44:56.440 have to decide how many you can show at a time. There might be a difference between that number 02:44:56.440 --> 02:45:01.480 for live or comments or something. Not necessarily sure. You might get badges for a variety of 02:45:01.480 --> 02:45:07.000 different things. We'll probably go with the classic like has been subscribed for X number of months 02:45:07.000 --> 02:45:13.080 scaling badge that like changes based on how many months that is. There will probably be an OG badge. 02:45:13.880 --> 02:45:21.000 It would make sense if you got different badges for being around at certain times, 02:45:21.000 --> 02:45:26.760 potentially, or whatever. There's lots of examples of how this is handled all throughout the 02:45:26.760 --> 02:45:31.160 internet. So we will learn from those. But yeah, badges are coming. 02:45:32.440 --> 02:45:37.800 Ninja Man Away has a really good question. Will we still be able to temporarily change plans? 02:45:38.440 --> 02:45:42.840 For one of the events you ran, you had to go to a higher tier for the behind the scenes and event 02:45:42.840 --> 02:45:47.000 footage. Is that still an option? I don't want to give you an answer for that right now. We need 02:45:47.000 --> 02:45:53.240 to figure that out because I'm, I'm not sure. Like at your locked in rate kind of thing. 02:45:53.240 --> 02:45:58.120 Yeah, the way. Yeah, I don't think we should give an answer on that today. I should check with 02:45:58.120 --> 02:46:03.400 Coltman. I have a strong idea of how that would work, but I will refrain until we figure it out. 02:46:03.400 --> 02:46:07.720 Yeah, that's a great, that's a really great question though. It is a great question. Yeah. 02:46:08.680 --> 02:46:15.960 Rip Vessel by East One. Rip Vessel indeed. Still wear my Vessel shirt every once in a while. 02:46:16.520 --> 02:46:21.000 Oh wait, no, I'm thinking of my Gibo shirt. I used to have my Vessel shirt in my, in my PGA. 02:46:21.000 --> 02:46:24.360 My Vessel shirt is lost. It makes me very sad, but I still have my Vessel Tooke. 02:46:24.360 --> 02:46:29.080 Dude, I, okay. That's why I had Vessel on the mind. I wore my Vessel Tooke a week ago. 02:46:29.640 --> 02:46:34.040 Yeah, we went to see this like Christmas lights display at Bear Creek Park and I was wearing 02:46:34.040 --> 02:46:37.480 my Vessel Tooke. I was like, yo, this is so cool and nobody knows. 02:46:38.120 --> 02:46:47.320 Yeah. All right. Something that's not as cool. We have an update on Rebels Attempted 02:46:47.320 --> 02:46:55.160 Collaboration with Core Devices, aka Pebble. So there's some, there's some, some smartwatch drama. 02:46:56.600 --> 02:47:03.160 Pebble, the once discontinued, well first acquired by Google, or acquired by, 02:47:03.160 --> 02:47:06.920 acquired by Fitbit, which was then acquired by Google, I think is how it went. Feel free to 02:47:06.920 --> 02:47:12.520 correct me if I'm wrong in the comments, but ultimately discontinued. The once discontinued 02:47:12.520 --> 02:47:19.720 fan favorite smartwatch seemed to be thriving after its revival until a rift opened between 02:47:19.720 --> 02:47:27.080 Core Devices, the new hardware company that's led by Pebble founder, Eric Mijukowski, and Rebel, 02:47:27.080 --> 02:47:33.720 the volunteer non-profit that has kept Pebble's cloud services, app store, and developer ecosystem 02:47:33.720 --> 02:47:42.120 alive since 2018. Just weeks ago, the two groups publicly announced a partnership. Core would build 02:47:42.120 --> 02:47:48.520 a modern app store portal, or a modern app store front end for its new watches. Rebel would continue 02:47:48.520 --> 02:47:53.880 running the backend services and developer portal, and together they would support the entire ecosystem 02:47:53.880 --> 02:48:02.440 old and new. But that agreement quickly fell apart over who should control the roughly 13,000 02:48:02.520 --> 02:48:08.440 legacy apps and watch faces that were originally uploaded to Pebble's store before the company 02:48:08.440 --> 02:48:15.720 shut down. Rebel says that Core demanded unrestricted rights to the entire data set, 02:48:15.720 --> 02:48:21.160 potentially allowing Core to build a closed, core-only app store and leave the non-profit that 02:48:21.160 --> 02:48:26.120 maintained the platform behind, and they also claim that after delaying a scheduled meeting, 02:48:26.200 --> 02:48:31.880 Eric scraped their servers in violation of a previous agreement about data access. 02:48:32.760 --> 02:48:39.400 Core, meanwhile, disputes this claim. They argue that the apps were created by individual developers, 02:48:39.400 --> 02:48:45.160 not by Rebel, and that they shouldn't be locked behind any one organization after Pebble's collapse. 02:48:46.040 --> 02:48:51.400 Eric says the goal is a neutral public archive, ideally on something like archive.org, 02:48:51.400 --> 02:48:55.240 so that the ecosystem can't be held hostage by a single gatekeeper. 02:48:56.040 --> 02:49:00.120 After the scraping accusation, Eric claims that he built a web app to allow him an easier 02:49:00.120 --> 02:49:04.200 time browsing watch faces, only showing screenshots and allowing him to click on them. 02:49:04.200 --> 02:49:07.320 Apparently, it did not download any data. 02:49:11.080 --> 02:49:15.720 I don't think, you know, I don't have personal relationships with any of the people involved 02:49:15.720 --> 02:49:20.600 in this. I had one quick call with Eric when he said that they were bringing it back, and I 02:49:21.480 --> 02:49:25.800 was I in contact with anyone from Rebel? I don't know, but I thought the project was super cool, 02:49:25.800 --> 02:49:31.800 so other than that, other than thinking it's super cool, I don't really have a major horse in 02:49:31.800 --> 02:49:37.880 this race between the two of them, but the race that I do have a horse in is that, overall, 02:49:37.880 --> 02:49:43.720 I think Pebble and the mission is super cool. I think the Rebel group is super cool the way that 02:49:43.720 --> 02:49:49.480 they maintained this and made these devices usable for folks when official support was dropped. 02:49:50.200 --> 02:49:59.320 By Google, I think that's all super cool. I would like to ask Plead, even, in the nicest 02:49:59.320 --> 02:50:04.680 way that I possibly can for y'all to please find a way to get along, because I think y'all are 02:50:04.680 --> 02:50:20.520 really great. Hopefully, this is a misunderstanding. I actually have my new Pebble right here that I have 02:50:20.520 --> 02:50:25.160 just been kind of dragging my butt on getting installed and getting on my wrist, but I'm 02:50:25.160 --> 02:50:31.880 going to do it. I'm going to do it this weekend. I want to feel good about it. I want to feel good 02:50:31.880 --> 02:50:38.840 about supporting these devices. It's going to be sick, and please all be chill and get along. 02:50:40.760 --> 02:50:44.680 Is Dan the one leaving a comment asking about those questions people had? Dan, 02:50:44.680 --> 02:50:49.080 is that what you're doing? Pardon? On the Floatplane price. You highlighted the float 02:50:49.080 --> 02:50:53.320 plane price increase announcement. Oh, I was just striking it through because we finished it. 02:50:53.320 --> 02:50:58.760 Oh, neat. Okay. Well, I'm going to leave a comment. Yeah, cool. I can do the next topic if you want 02:50:58.760 --> 02:51:06.520 to do that. Sure. Let me find one. Microsoft will appeal a ruling against them in the UK. 02:51:06.520 --> 02:51:13.560 Microsoft will appeal to the UK competition appeal tribunal for a ruling against Microsoft, 02:51:13.560 --> 02:51:19.880 which states that consumers are allowed to resell licenses such as Windows or office licenses. 02:51:19.880 --> 02:51:25.640 This ruling came into effect in 2021 when a UK-based business named Value Licensing sued 02:51:25.640 --> 02:51:32.840 Microsoft over the ability to redistribute licensed products from them. The case is far from over 02:51:32.840 --> 02:51:36.840 as Microsoft continues to battle this decision, but if Microsoft loses, 02:51:36.840 --> 02:51:46.200 it will have to pay £270 million. Okay, yeah, we did the same thing in damages to value licensing. 02:51:47.400 --> 02:51:51.960 Yeah, crazy. Discussion for a company that seems to be okay with how much people pirate 02:51:52.040 --> 02:51:56.680 slash get Windows licenses is free anyways, except for apparently, hold on. Actually, no. 02:51:56.680 --> 02:52:02.200 They just closed a loophole for that. Recent news. Yeah. That's like maybe the next 02:52:03.160 --> 02:52:07.480 topic. Actually, yeah, it could be. Why is Microsoft putting so much effort into this? Maybe 02:52:07.480 --> 02:52:12.040 because they're pulling back on it. Yeah, it seems like they're getting less chill about people just 02:52:12.040 --> 02:52:18.040 running the software and activating it with a tool that they quickly grabbed on GitHub or 02:52:18.040 --> 02:52:26.040 realistically, not even a tool. It's just the command you run. Speaking of which, 02:52:26.040 --> 02:52:32.200 this is, well, no, I want to talk about this. The reason that I highlighted this was this could be 02:52:33.000 --> 02:52:38.840 a game changer. No, no, this, the thing you just said. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like, 02:52:39.960 --> 02:52:47.240 this could be wild. Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but is this 02:52:48.200 --> 02:52:57.640 basically a the UK competition appeal tribunal? Is this is this basically them saying that as a 02:52:57.640 --> 02:53:06.040 consumer, I should be able to resell software that I only that I only licensed because that changes 02:53:06.040 --> 02:53:21.640 everything. Would that apply to steam games? Why not? That could be huge and very excited. 02:53:22.600 --> 02:53:32.040 Console console games. It's interesting. It's very interesting. Like, we should be able to exactly 02:53:32.040 --> 02:53:40.280 and am white in Floatplane chat. I believe that if I bought a copy of Doom Eternal and I'm done 02:53:40.280 --> 02:53:49.160 with it, I should be able to sell it. And it's about time. It's about time that some legal 02:53:49.160 --> 02:53:56.600 was really lucky. Yeah, it's empty. It's about time that some legal entity agreed with that. 02:53:56.680 --> 02:54:02.360 And the way that software companies have always hidden from this is that it's a license. You 02:54:02.360 --> 02:54:11.960 didn't purchase it. You licensed it. Well, so what? Now they're going to license it. I'm done licensing 02:54:11.960 --> 02:54:21.720 it now. Am I am I missing something here? Or is this is this potentially a crack in the armor 02:54:21.720 --> 02:54:31.800 that could be crowbarred into and wedged open here? Yeah. Yeah. Pankrats in chat. David Pankrats 02:54:32.920 --> 02:54:37.960 brings up that physical copies of games were also licenses weren't they? I think it was a 02:54:37.960 --> 02:54:45.640 license to the the software that was on the physical copy. Yeah. Yeah. And yet those could be sold. 02:54:46.520 --> 02:54:53.320 Yeah, man. The ramifications of this on the gaming industry will be if this happens the ramifications 02:54:53.320 --> 02:55:01.160 of this mostly on the gaming industry will be really interesting and potentially like extremely 02:55:01.160 --> 02:55:11.000 destructive. But we'll see. We'll see how that goes. I do wonder how much this would turn into 02:55:11.960 --> 02:55:19.400 Oh, man. People might not want to hear this. I think this would turn into a lot of perverse 02:55:19.400 --> 02:55:29.480 incentives for developers subscription subscriptions live service things paid timed access. Like 02:55:29.480 --> 02:55:35.240 maybe you can play part of a game, but the really good part is only accessible if you pay for a 02:55:35.240 --> 02:55:39.880 certain period of time. It's effectively like put in a token like an old arcade machine. 02:55:41.960 --> 02:55:49.880 Oh, because honestly, if you like this, this would also create a weird incentive for gamers 02:55:49.880 --> 02:55:54.280 because you talk about do maternal, right? So what if you book two days off of work, 02:55:54.280 --> 02:55:59.720 you buy do maternal, you beat the whole thing immediately and put it up on the market for 02:56:00.600 --> 02:56:06.200 five dollars less than the full price. There is no degradation in quality in your version of the 02:56:06.200 --> 02:56:11.400 license because like if you're buying a crazy idea, what if you commercialized the idea? What 02:56:11.400 --> 02:56:17.800 if you got a small storefront and you put little boxes on all of the shelves, right? And in each 02:56:17.800 --> 02:56:21.800 of them you had some kind of physical representation of the game. No, hear me out. This is a crazy 02:56:21.800 --> 02:56:26.760 business model. It's not you could even say it's a blockbuster business model. Okay, people come 02:56:26.760 --> 02:56:31.800 through the door. They can browse. They can browse all the available games. They bring them up to 02:56:31.800 --> 02:56:38.280 the counter. You temporarily sell them the game license, you know? So you take like you take like 02:56:39.800 --> 02:56:45.800 there is extremely massive differences between damn it. What is the word I'm looking for here? 02:56:45.800 --> 02:56:51.240 Take collateral. You take the full cost of the game for collateral and then when they're done 02:56:51.240 --> 02:56:54.600 with them, when they're done with it, you give them back everything but I don't know, like a 02:56:54.600 --> 02:56:58.600 reasonable like maybe like five dollars or something like that and you buy it back from them. 02:56:59.160 --> 02:57:04.840 What would prevent that if we could transfer licenses? We could go back 02:57:06.440 --> 02:57:10.440 to video game rentals. Except it's all digital. Yeah, but you could still do it. 02:57:11.000 --> 02:57:15.160 I'm not saying you couldn't do it. I'm saying I'm talking about the destruction of the 02:57:15.160 --> 02:57:20.840 not destruction, the damage or change, significant change on the video game industry and how 02:57:21.480 --> 02:57:25.480 and how people. Well, no, I'm just showing you how that would like it would escalate. It would 02:57:25.480 --> 02:57:29.640 go back to the old days. You could literally rent a game. You could literally rent a game. 02:57:29.640 --> 02:57:33.160 Yeah. And it would all it would take is. I can even think how this would function digitally. You 02:57:33.160 --> 02:57:40.120 could absolutely rent a game. And how trendy would that video game rental store be? How many 02:57:40.120 --> 02:57:45.080 TikToks would there be if they did it up nice and they had like physical. You don't even have to do 02:57:45.080 --> 02:57:49.240 a physical version. No, no, no, but it doesn't matter. The physical version would fail to the 02:57:49.240 --> 02:57:54.280 digital version immediately. It's not about fail or not fail. It's about how trendy and cool would 02:57:54.280 --> 02:57:59.480 it be? I think it'd be trendy and cool for like two weeks. Dude, you're talking to a world that 02:57:59.480 --> 02:58:05.240 has re-embraced vinyl records. Stop. Yeah. And Willow Video does exist. Yeah, of course it does. 02:58:05.240 --> 02:58:11.560 I think it was Pankrat's pointed out, but there's only one. I think, yeah, but. And I love it. And 02:58:11.560 --> 02:58:19.240 I showed it out all the time. And I, yeah, hopefully they keep doing well. I think that 02:58:19.240 --> 02:58:26.360 someone who makes it like crazy, trendy and cool to go there and has like, like, you know, 02:58:26.360 --> 02:58:31.560 a gotcha like claw machine thing with a bunch of cool video with a bunch of stupid like amiibos 02:58:31.560 --> 02:58:35.880 in it and stuff. And like makes it a whole experience. Dude, I think it would absolutely 02:58:35.880 --> 02:58:42.200 slap in the right market. Like I think somewhere like. Every time I've been to Willow lately, 02:58:42.200 --> 02:58:46.680 there's a lot of people in there. I'm trying to figure out where. Because like in Japan, 02:58:46.680 --> 02:58:50.520 the whole like digital licensing thing is just not as cool. Like I don't think you 02:58:50.520 --> 02:58:56.200 could make it trendy there. Trying to think like where this like kind of physical representation 02:58:56.200 --> 02:59:00.840 of the digital licenses that we have in stock could like kind of work. And maybe it's done. 02:59:00.840 --> 02:59:05.240 Maybe it wouldn't work. But I just, I could see it. I could see people making TikToks about it. 02:59:05.240 --> 02:59:09.880 If you could rent. I'm at the video game rental store. If you could rent computer games, I feel 02:59:09.880 --> 02:59:13.880 like people around here would do it. I think so. I think so. 02:59:16.760 --> 02:59:23.240 So Denoli says with current Steam refund policy, you can rent any Steam game for two hours for 02:59:23.240 --> 02:59:27.960 free. That's true. But that's totally different because what you would do when you rented a game 02:59:27.960 --> 02:59:35.000 back when we were the young ins is you'd rent it for a period of time that you decide on. So you 02:59:35.000 --> 02:59:41.320 would rent it for one day and that was cheaper or you'd rent it a two day rental was more expensive. 02:59:41.320 --> 02:59:44.680 And then a one week rental was like you're kind of dumb. You should probably just buy it. 02:59:45.560 --> 02:59:51.720 So what you would do is after school on Friday, you would go rent it. And then as long as you 02:59:51.720 --> 02:59:57.480 had it back in the drop off box by Sunday night, then you had as long as you didn't feel like 02:59:57.480 --> 03:00:04.600 sleeping on Friday or Saturday night, you had like, you know, 48 whole hours to play the whole game 03:00:04.600 --> 03:00:15.400 and experience everything. What a time to be alive. It was fun. But yeah, I think honestly, 03:00:15.400 --> 03:00:22.600 I support the freedom behind the idea wholeheartedly. I just don't know if I'm reading too much into 03:00:22.600 --> 03:00:30.520 this. I think it would be, I think the ultimate result on how the gaming industry operates 03:00:30.520 --> 03:00:35.800 would probably be a negative for most people. I don't necessarily think are we headed that way 03:00:36.520 --> 03:00:44.840 anyway? Yeah, that's a good argument. It's a good argument. But like look at Claire Obscure. 03:00:45.560 --> 03:00:49.560 It's doing super well right now. It's not for like a ton of awards. It's a single player game. 03:00:50.280 --> 03:01:01.800 I haven't played it myself, but as far as my understanding goes, it's a single player game. I don't know how long it takes to play, but there's a huge incentive to just blast through it before 03:01:01.800 --> 03:01:07.480 the normies with jobs are able to buy it for the weekend and play and then resell your key. 03:01:08.040 --> 03:01:13.080 And that is a significant portion of sales kept away. And I understand this is the thing you 03:01:13.080 --> 03:01:18.120 can do with physical games. The scale of it was nowhere near the same because you could just have 03:01:18.120 --> 03:01:23.560 another digital storefront or maybe a place like Steam just builds it into the platform 03:01:23.560 --> 03:01:27.400 the same way that they do with Steam trading cards and everything else. And then they take 03:01:27.400 --> 03:01:31.800 another little skim off the top, just like a reselling store. I'll have to pee if you fill that 03:01:31.800 --> 03:01:40.120 though. So it's a double-edged sword. Just like a game stop or whatever would, they're going to 03:01:40.120 --> 03:01:45.720 take some off the top and then it's going to resell. But that resell is not going to ping back 03:01:45.720 --> 03:01:51.960 to the developer of the game. It's just going to ping back to Valve, which already makes $10 03:01:51.960 --> 03:01:57.160 quibillion per employee. Unless Valve went good guy and did share it with the developer, 03:01:58.200 --> 03:02:03.800 which they could. They do have that power. They've done good guy stuff before. 03:02:03.800 --> 03:02:07.880 Maybe they'll share a little percentage, but it's not a full fat sale like it would be otherwise. 03:02:07.880 --> 03:02:10.120 What if they took 30% then would you be okay with it? 03:02:11.000 --> 03:02:16.680 What if they just took their 30% for being a being an enabler? 03:02:16.680 --> 03:02:22.440 It's still a reduction in sale for the developer. Oh yeah, probably. I mean, here's the thing though. I mean, let's come back to talking 03:02:22.440 --> 03:02:27.640 about sock warranties again, because everyone was enjoying that so much. A big part of why 03:02:27.640 --> 03:02:32.280 that works. Like, do you think that Darn Tough could survive if literally everyone wore their 03:02:32.280 --> 03:02:37.480 socks for 10 years and then got a warranty refund? I can give you the answer. The answer is no. 03:02:38.040 --> 03:02:44.680 Like, it's not viable. Yeah, but game sales do like, let's start really high. 03:02:44.680 --> 03:02:51.400 It just released and go, boom. This is this. Well, sort of a cyberpunk. So, 03:02:51.960 --> 03:02:55.160 I don't want to be that guy who's like exception. You're gonna be in that guy. 03:02:55.160 --> 03:03:00.200 Okay. I realized it. I realized it. Okay. And I don't want to be that guy. 03:03:00.200 --> 03:03:07.320 Okay. Because you're not wrong. But I do think that a single player experience, I do think it's a reasonably close analog 03:03:07.320 --> 03:03:12.120 to something. Okay. No, they've added a lot of content. Okay. Okay. You know what? Okay. 03:03:12.120 --> 03:03:16.840 That's fair. That's fair. And they did. That's fair. How many times do I have to say, 03:03:16.840 --> 03:03:19.880 how many times do I have to say I'm being that guy? For basically years. 03:03:20.440 --> 03:03:25.240 How many times do I have to say I'm being that guy? Okay. I own it. I don't know. I'd really 03:03:25.240 --> 03:03:30.600 like to hear from someone who's like actually in the industry what they think about this, 03:03:30.600 --> 03:03:34.840 because I'm very much taking an outside view. We're taking a consumer view, right? 03:03:35.720 --> 03:03:40.760 Well, I'm trying to not is basically what I'm doing. I'm trying to like as a consumer, 03:03:40.760 --> 03:03:44.280 yeah, dude, I bought it, screw off. I should be able to resell it totally. 03:03:44.840 --> 03:03:50.840 Then I'm trying to step back for a second and be like, what does this do incentive wise? And 03:03:50.840 --> 03:03:55.800 that's a dangerous thing to do. Because if you do that every time, you just live in a horrible 03:03:55.800 --> 03:04:00.520 corporate Omega corporate world where everything is bent over for companies. 03:04:01.400 --> 03:04:04.680 You know, so I'm not trying to do that. I'm trying to be careful, but I'm wondering like 03:04:04.680 --> 03:04:10.040 if this happens, what do we see in the gaming industry 10 years from now if this happens? 03:04:10.040 --> 03:04:13.160 What types of games are developed? What are the incentives for the developers to make them? 03:04:14.520 --> 03:04:20.760 And you know what, maybe someone like the BG3 devs are just chatted out of their minds and 03:04:20.760 --> 03:04:26.840 don't care at all. But I do think this would change things. Like you said, are those things 03:04:26.840 --> 03:04:33.080 already happening anyways? Is it even relevant? I don't know. I'm not sure. I do also wonder 03:04:33.080 --> 03:04:37.800 would this disproportionately hurt small devs? Oh, I think that's very possible. 03:04:37.800 --> 03:04:42.280 And I think that it probably would. I'm trying to find something right now. 03:04:44.040 --> 03:04:50.760 Mechanic. I'm searching on the subreddit. Why is it? No, not all time, the past week. 03:04:51.960 --> 03:04:56.200 Here we go. Here we go. So what the point I was trying to make with the socks is that, 03:04:56.200 --> 03:05:00.600 let's bring it back to the socks again. The point that I was trying to make with it is that 03:05:00.600 --> 03:05:06.440 most people won't do that. Even if they do have the warranty, most people won't bother. 03:05:07.640 --> 03:05:12.920 And this is a, oh. My whole problem with it is that it's too easy. That's my whole point 03:05:12.920 --> 03:05:17.880 with the brick and mortar. If I can just go on Steam, if I go on Steam and right click on the 03:05:17.880 --> 03:05:23.400 game and click sell at market rate and it's just done, it's way too easy. This is my whole point 03:05:23.400 --> 03:05:29.240 with it. The reason, the fact that it's digital and it's online is the gap. So if it was the physical 03:05:29.240 --> 03:05:34.040 store that you had to come into, would you be more supportive of it? Yeah. So you just think 03:05:34.040 --> 03:05:41.960 it needs friction. Yes. Okay. I think that's fair. And I don't know how you solve for that. 03:05:43.000 --> 03:05:47.240 Because yeah, everyone has kind of a different perspective on. This was a really interesting 03:05:47.240 --> 03:05:52.360 post. Feeling like they've gotten their money's worth. So this guy posted that it's broken, 03:05:53.080 --> 03:06:00.040 but he's not mad. He's actually stoked, which is like kind of wild to think about. 03:06:00.760 --> 03:06:07.720 But if you scroll down to one of his replies to someone, where's the OP tag? 03:06:08.840 --> 03:06:14.040 Ah, yeah. Here we go. Well, yeah. Like I'm not mad. In my 10 years as a mechanic, I've used all 03:06:14.040 --> 03:06:18.520 brands of ratcheting screwdrivers, including a $200 competitor. None of them last more than 03:06:18.520 --> 03:06:23.960 six to 10 months. Three years and still something usable is absolutely impressive. And so this is 03:06:23.960 --> 03:06:30.920 the kind of person that, you know, I would hope that these game developers would have backing 03:06:30.920 --> 03:06:35.880 their product. I would hope, right? Someone that played the game, enjoyed the crap out of it and 03:06:35.880 --> 03:06:43.080 went, you know what? I could trade this in, but I'm going to keep it and I'm going to just leave 03:06:43.080 --> 03:06:49.800 them with all of my money. Because it was not, it was not this guy's intention to contact support 03:06:49.800 --> 03:06:55.960 at all. Like it wasn't one of those posts where someone's like, my thing broke. What do you guys 03:06:55.960 --> 03:07:01.000 think? Should I contact support? And then people are like, yes, obviously. What are you even posting 03:07:01.000 --> 03:07:07.000 about it for here? Like this thread did not have that tone. When I first saw the picture, I thought 03:07:07.000 --> 03:07:12.040 it was just another one of those. And then I reread the title like three times and was like, 03:07:12.600 --> 03:07:16.360 huh. And then clicked on the thread and thought it was really cool. Yeah. No, but he's not, 03:07:16.360 --> 03:07:22.840 he's not mad at all. Yeah. We just have a lot of those threads. Yeah. I mean, 03:07:23.800 --> 03:07:29.320 not that many for how many screwdriver we've sold. No, for sure. I mean, I mean, for literally any 03:07:29.320 --> 03:07:37.240 product or any situation ever. Yeah. But yeah. So I would just, I would like to think that even 03:07:37.240 --> 03:07:43.160 if they had a policy that enabled people to resell, or even if Costco had a return policy that 03:07:43.160 --> 03:07:48.520 allowed you to warranty anything, I would hope that people would also just like kind of have the 03:07:48.520 --> 03:07:54.040 good faith common sense to not bring back a 20 year old poster. This is a whole thing. 03:07:54.760 --> 03:07:59.640 People absolutely do that. People use the heck out of Costco. And then you have to bake it into 03:07:59.640 --> 03:08:05.320 your margins and then everybody pays for it. Yeah. I know this is why you like what you call 03:08:05.320 --> 03:08:12.760 high trust societies. Yes. Fantastic. Yeah. The best. Yeah. So based. 03:08:14.200 --> 03:08:18.600 We, have we talked about that on WAN Show at all? I don't know. Just like the experience of, 03:08:18.600 --> 03:08:27.560 of going to a family mart in, you know, Taipei or in Japan and walking through the door and 03:08:27.560 --> 03:08:33.320 seeing someone's MacBook sitting on the little like round coffee table that's at the, that's near 03:08:33.320 --> 03:08:40.040 the entrance while the owner of said MacBook is off grabbing a snack so that they can go pay for it 03:08:40.040 --> 03:08:45.720 and then sit and use their laptop and enjoy their snack or their drink and marveling that that would 03:08:47.320 --> 03:08:53.400 never happen at home. Yeah. That MacBook would be gone. And 03:08:54.360 --> 03:09:04.200 it's so cool. Yeah. I wish that I lived somewhere like that sometimes. And I don't think, you know, 03:09:04.200 --> 03:09:10.520 we are far from the furthest from that. Oh yeah. 100%. I like, I just leave my badminton bag 03:09:11.080 --> 03:09:17.240 on a bench and I'll walk like six quarts away. Even the fact that in most situations, 03:09:17.240 --> 03:09:20.680 if there's someone sitting there, you can ask them, Hey, do you mind watching my stuff? 03:09:21.320 --> 03:09:27.800 And that is actually fine. Yeah. It's like pretty great to be completely honest compared 03:09:27.800 --> 03:09:32.760 to like a lot of places. So like it's, we're doing all right. But it's, it's 03:09:34.360 --> 03:09:40.680 Taiwan, Japan, there's certain places that are another level and it's, it feels really cool 03:09:40.680 --> 03:09:45.800 to be there and partake in that. And there's different ways of achieving that. Like, 03:09:46.040 --> 03:09:52.440 um, I remember, I remember accidentally leaving my wallet. It was either my wallet or my phone. 03:09:52.440 --> 03:09:56.200 It was something very valuable and important. And I was very distressed to not have it. And 03:09:56.200 --> 03:10:02.040 I left it in a cab in Singapore and, um, Yvonne's family member who lives there, 03:10:02.840 --> 03:10:09.880 basically with 100% confidence said, you will get it back. And I was like, there's no way. 03:10:09.880 --> 03:10:14.040 The cabbies just going to say they don't have it. They're going to, like, they'll just like 03:10:14.040 --> 03:10:20.680 take the money out first and then return it to me. And he was like, no, you will get it back. 03:10:20.680 --> 03:10:26.280 And I was like, you got to be kidding me. Very, very recently prior, I had lost like 03:10:26.280 --> 03:10:30.760 a hundreds of dollars coat. You and I both have like a similar coat story where we once treated 03:10:30.760 --> 03:10:36.040 ourselves to a nice overcoat and then immediately lost it. I left it in a cab in, in Vegas and 03:10:37.320 --> 03:10:42.600 but he was just like, yeah, yeah, it wasn't there. It wasn't there. And like, sure. Yeah. Okay. 03:10:45.000 --> 03:10:51.320 I had it back within like 90 minutes because they went back to the dispatch, found it, 03:10:51.320 --> 03:10:56.920 and like, we're basically like, like waiting for my call to, to tell me that they had it. And 03:10:58.280 --> 03:11:04.920 when, when I visited Singapore, I've been there twice now. Well, if I've been there twice the 03:11:04.920 --> 03:11:10.440 second time we didn't, we, man, I was over, yeah, I was over in Southeast Asia recently. Did we go 03:11:10.520 --> 03:11:14.520 to Singapore? No, we saw Yvonne Singapore family, which is why I was confused. We saw her family 03:11:14.520 --> 03:11:17.960 that lives there, but we didn't go there. So yeah, when I went to Singapore the one time, 03:11:19.080 --> 03:11:25.960 I almost got like kind of like a Stepford wives kind of vibe. Okay. Like everything is too perfect. 03:11:27.160 --> 03:11:32.760 Okay, I've never been to Singapore. And like, you guys can let me know if you think maybe I was 03:11:32.760 --> 03:11:39.080 just, maybe, maybe I was biased by just knowing that they can, they like come down hard on stuff. 03:11:40.760 --> 03:11:46.120 Um, but I just, I don't know. I just got this kind of like, I got this kind of weird, 03:11:47.480 --> 03:11:54.360 I got this kind of weird vibe. Um, yeah, I mean, at the same says, I mean, you weren't not biased. 03:11:54.360 --> 03:12:00.760 I mean, yeah, that's, that's fair enough. Um, it's early time says I was there 20 years ago. 03:12:00.760 --> 03:12:06.200 I got the same kind of vibe. Yeah. Okay. I have no idea. 03:12:06.840 --> 03:12:15.400 What I do know, like in, in, in Taiwan, for example, I will be downtown Taipei and walk down 03:12:16.200 --> 03:12:20.120 small, weird alleyways between buildings and 03:12:22.680 --> 03:12:29.880 feel a relatively deep sense of comfort. And knowing that like I might 03:12:30.840 --> 03:12:39.240 exit this alleyway to a, a park with little old ladies doing Tai Chi at one in the morning, 03:12:39.240 --> 03:12:45.960 for some reason, and they will all feel safe and comfortable. It's not just me for whatever reason. 03:12:45.960 --> 03:12:50.120 And to be clear, we're not saying they don't have any crime. No, they don't have any mental illness 03:12:50.120 --> 03:12:55.480 or people who, you know, do all of that stuff is this everywhere in the world. People are, 03:12:55.480 --> 03:12:59.640 people are messy creatures and it doesn't matter, you know, what country they live in or the color 03:12:59.720 --> 03:13:06.440 of their skin or whatever else that people are messy. Um, but I do think that there are, 03:13:06.440 --> 03:13:11.160 there are different approaches to society building, some of which create a higher trust 03:13:11.160 --> 03:13:15.560 society and some of which create a lower trust society. And there, those are definitely a 03:13:15.560 --> 03:13:19.880 couple of places that have stood out to me as feeling very high trust. Yeah. And like gold, 03:13:19.880 --> 03:13:25.960 gold balls on in Floatplane chat said Luke must be a giant over there. Um, right. But like 03:13:25.960 --> 03:13:33.720 bullets and knives don't care. Um, it's true. So, so like you, you shouldn't be overconfident 03:13:33.720 --> 03:13:39.720 in your like size when it comes to getting jumped in an alley. Like even, even like a baton, I would 03:13:39.720 --> 03:13:46.200 be, I would be a lot, I'd be a lot less scared of Luke if I had like a night stick, like honestly 03:13:46.200 --> 03:13:50.600 break a bone. Yeah. Pretty quick with those. Anytime you put anything anywhere near me, 03:13:50.600 --> 03:13:54.600 it would be like whack it with that and that paired with the badminton skills. 03:13:54.600 --> 03:14:02.600 Like huge, if he, if he knows how to fight, then I'm done because he'll close the distance, 03:14:02.600 --> 03:14:07.480 right? But if he doesn't, just size is not enough, right? Like it's, it's amazing 03:14:08.200 --> 03:14:15.880 what a difference just a small, hard, heavy object can make. Um, and so yeah, don't be, 03:14:16.840 --> 03:14:21.880 stop. Um, tell me more about that. Tell me more about that. 03:14:22.840 --> 03:14:28.600 What a small, hard and heavy. It's dense, man. It's dense. 03:14:33.320 --> 03:14:40.440 You can hit me with your thick stick, little man. The point is just that 03:14:40.440 --> 03:14:48.280 he's feeling safe is not just about him being sort of large for over there. 03:14:48.280 --> 03:14:54.040 Yeah. It was because I, there was a very high level of confidence, not in myself, 03:14:54.040 --> 03:14:58.760 but in the society that I was in. I also feel really safe there and I'm not Luke's size. So 03:14:58.760 --> 03:15:04.360 make that, make of that, what you will. All right. Microsoft has killed another 03:15:04.360 --> 03:15:11.960 Windows activation workaround while they're weathering backlash over recent agentec OS endeavors. 03:15:13.160 --> 03:15:17.960 Windows has shut down a Windows activation workaround by pushing back end changes that broke 03:15:17.960 --> 03:15:24.280 KMS 38 based activations, which used the mass grave popularized method that let users keep 03:15:24.280 --> 03:15:27.160 Windows and office running indefinitely without actually paying for them. 03:15:28.040 --> 03:15:33.880 Users on these fake installs noticed deactivations right after their devices grabbed the latest 03:15:33.880 --> 03:15:38.920 extended security update. Even people who did buy Windows weren't spared with some business 03:15:38.920 --> 03:15:42.600 Windows 10 users who installed this week's update, finding their systems rolling back 03:15:42.600 --> 03:15:47.240 to the previous build after rebooting, silently failing to apply the patch at all. That probably 03:15:47.240 --> 03:15:53.240 wasn't intended. Yeah. In other news, Microsoft heard that the public is not interested in 03:15:53.240 --> 03:15:59.320 Windows becoming an agentec OS, but they think they can change the public's mind by talking about it 03:15:59.320 --> 03:16:06.680 more in a support article. The article explains how a secure AI agent workspaces 03:16:06.680 --> 03:16:12.280 will give agents access to shared folders and allow them to work in the background for you, 03:16:12.280 --> 03:16:16.200 completing tasks while you do other, I don't know, like human things. 03:16:18.040 --> 03:16:23.480 Scroll Tiktok. Wow. What is it going to be doing? What do they think it's going to be doing? 03:16:23.480 --> 03:16:29.560 I don't know, but the funny part is that a version of this completely controlled by the user 03:16:29.560 --> 03:16:35.000 with user dials and knobs of being able to control what it can access and what it can do and all 03:16:35.000 --> 03:16:41.400 that kind of stuff in Linux could actually be super sick. I don't trust Microsoft to do it 03:16:41.400 --> 03:16:46.440 properly at all and wouldn't want to touch it at all. It reminds me a lot of Recall, 03:16:46.440 --> 03:16:53.720 which is clearly and obviously **** it. You did not do that, right? Did I not? No. 03:16:53.720 --> 03:16:57.720 Did I lift it too early? Yeah. Nice. Nice. 03:16:59.880 --> 03:17:04.840 You're not the only one who feels that way. An intrepid writer from The Verge took one for the team 03:17:04.840 --> 03:17:11.480 and spent a week trying to interact with co-pilot the way Microsoft seems to want us to and found 03:17:11.480 --> 03:17:18.520 that co-pilot made his, and this is a direct quote, computer feel incompetent. I didn't know that was 03:17:19.160 --> 03:17:24.760 that's fantastic. And yet we are being warned that one of the things it is competent enough to do 03:17:24.760 --> 03:17:30.280 is install malware as Microsoft's own article states that these kinds of agents would still 03:17:30.280 --> 03:17:34.280 be vulnerable to malicious prompts that may be embedded in emails, documents or web pages. 03:17:34.920 --> 03:17:42.920 So our discussion question, we're going to bring Dan in for this one, is where in an operating system 03:17:43.480 --> 03:17:52.440 do you think an AI agent could be helpful to you? Imagine what you want your AI agent to do. 03:17:52.440 --> 03:18:00.040 Navigate the two separate settings menus that- Let's put him away. That's actually very funny. 03:18:01.000 --> 03:18:06.360 It's also kind of serious. Like sometimes I want to adjust the settings on my computer. I would 03:18:06.360 --> 03:18:12.280 like to just have it do that. But the second they give the agent that kind of system level 03:18:12.280 --> 03:18:18.360 access, then it's extremely dangerous. Hey, can you switch it to output 5.6 on the 03:18:18.360 --> 03:18:22.040 headphone mix for me, please? It's not coming through Chrome properly. That sounds great. 03:18:22.600 --> 03:18:27.720 But there's no way that we could allow an incompetently managed agent that level of access. 03:18:28.680 --> 03:18:38.680 Yeah. I think one of the primary ways that AI stuff is currently used is search. Using it for 03:18:38.680 --> 03:18:43.800 like really advanced search and search related tasks would be fine. Like, hey, find all the videos 03:18:43.800 --> 03:18:51.080 on my S drive that have this type of content in them and move them into this folder. I want 03:18:51.080 --> 03:18:56.360 to start editing a video based on that soon. One of the things that, you know, I love an 03:18:56.360 --> 03:19:05.960 agentic OS to do is for me to be able to just say, I need to be in Los Angeles for a collab on 03:19:05.960 --> 03:19:13.000 December the 9th. Find me the travel arrangements that have me there for the least amount of time 03:19:13.000 --> 03:19:20.200 because I need to get back to my family for my daughter's something or whatever. But the problem 03:19:20.200 --> 03:19:25.720 with mine is that I don't need my OS to do that. So, well, actually there's two problems with mine. 03:19:25.800 --> 03:19:28.920 Problem number one is that I don't need my OS to do that. That could be 03:19:28.920 --> 03:19:33.240 You have an LLV. Oh, what? Sorry? Large language vans. 03:19:33.960 --> 03:19:37.000 Well, no, no, no. That's not, that's actually not one of the problems I was going to bring up. 03:19:37.960 --> 03:19:40.920 I don't need an app to do that because I, my browser should do that. 03:19:42.440 --> 03:19:49.560 Or an app. Oh, yeah. Or an app. I don't need my OS to do that. That's just the wackiness of modern computing, which is that it's like all in the browser. 03:19:49.560 --> 03:19:53.320 Yeah. I don't need my operating, sorry. I said I don't need my app to do that. I misspoke. 03:19:53.320 --> 03:20:00.680 I don't need my operating system to do that. The other issue is that that use case only works 03:20:00.680 --> 03:20:08.600 if I put absolutely everything into my phone, which I will just never be disciplined enough to do. 03:20:10.120 --> 03:20:13.880 Because it can only know my schedule if I tell it everything. 03:20:13.880 --> 03:20:17.080 And your access to- I don't even want to live my life that scheduled. 03:20:17.800 --> 03:20:20.840 It's going to need to know where you're going to be on that day as well, 03:20:20.840 --> 03:20:25.640 which is why you're saying you need the schedule. Like, should I schedule, like, should I schedule time when I'm reading a book? 03:20:26.440 --> 03:20:33.320 Like, what, like, what is it, who, like, who actually has their calendar filled out with enough 03:20:33.320 --> 03:20:37.560 detail that they would be able to say, make me a hair appointment. 03:20:37.560 --> 03:20:40.840 And it probably wouldn't double book with something else that you might want to do. 03:20:43.880 --> 03:20:47.480 And I'm sure there's people out there that, that can function like that. 03:20:47.480 --> 03:20:52.120 But there is no way that I could because there's always something I'm going to get home. 03:20:52.200 --> 03:20:56.120 I'm going to think I have a gap and I'm going to be like, we're out of cat food. You're going to get crazy too. 03:20:56.120 --> 03:20:59.480 Yeah, we're out of kitty food. I got to go get some cat food. 03:20:59.480 --> 03:21:03.480 And then it's just like, well, yeah, no, well, I, now I can't make it to this thing. 03:21:04.520 --> 03:21:09.400 Like, am I supposed to schedule time to potentially maybe shop for a random 03:21:10.120 --> 03:21:12.040 house goods that I need? Like, come on. 03:21:14.200 --> 03:21:17.640 And what was, what was the, what's the, what am I missing? 03:21:17.640 --> 03:21:21.720 Oh, because I do that. You do what? Put everything in the calendar. 03:21:21.960 --> 03:21:25.480 Like everything. But again, ADHD cope. 03:21:28.760 --> 03:21:30.920 I tell people all the time, if they ask me to like, 03:21:31.800 --> 03:21:35.160 have a meeting or chew the thing or do whatever. 03:21:35.160 --> 03:21:40.920 If it's, if it's work related at all, I tell them every single time, like you got to put that on calendar or else it will not exist and I will not show up. 03:21:40.920 --> 03:21:44.680 I should set up a macro. It's just like, my calendar is public book me. 03:21:45.880 --> 03:21:52.760 That's a, oh, I see what you mean. There's a function in Google calendar now to like send someone a link 03:21:52.760 --> 03:21:57.320 where they can book on your calendar. I have that enabled too, but they, I mean, it's nice. 03:21:57.320 --> 03:21:59.960 They ask, it's better if they just do it. 03:22:01.240 --> 03:22:05.320 Yeah, I don't even always agree because like I'll have sections of my calendar where 03:22:06.120 --> 03:22:10.360 that's where I don't know that something's going to happen there. 03:22:10.360 --> 03:22:13.080 Book fake meetings. Yeah, I've done that before. 03:22:13.720 --> 03:22:18.280 Yeah. I like need to blank out a spot. Just set it as busy and the private. 03:22:18.840 --> 03:22:21.880 Yeah, it works. I guess I have done that before. 03:22:23.160 --> 03:22:27.560 Anyways, I mean, I guess the, the ultimate goal, right? 03:22:27.560 --> 03:22:35.400 Cause the other part of, so aside from not being disciplined enough, I just don't want absolutely everything that I do and every person that I see or talk to 03:22:35.960 --> 03:22:39.640 necessarily in my phone, but their ultimate goal is obviously 03:22:39.640 --> 03:22:43.160 to have the microphone on all the time so that it just kind of 03:22:43.160 --> 03:22:47.800 already has the context of everything that I ever do and everywhere I ever want to be. 03:22:49.160 --> 03:22:59.480 I just, you know, I tried talking to Wendell in what I'm guessing was 2015, maybe 2016. 03:22:59.480 --> 03:23:02.840 Nice. A good year. Solid year. About building- 03:23:02.840 --> 03:23:06.040 I remember predicting the future that year. Did you? 03:23:06.040 --> 03:23:09.320 Oh yeah. What, what did you say? 03:23:09.320 --> 03:23:12.440 We both did. What did we say? We predicted the same future. 03:23:13.000 --> 03:23:16.520 Oh yeah, I remember. Okay. That was a good enough tip. 03:23:18.760 --> 03:23:21.400 I was, I was working with him on this idea where I wanted to do, 03:23:22.040 --> 03:23:27.880 at the time, I think my plan was like dragon naturally speaking or whatever that program was. 03:23:27.880 --> 03:23:34.600 I wanted to have that constantly running and writing to like some document. 03:23:34.600 --> 03:23:44.120 I think I remember you talking about this. Yeah. And then I wanted to scan the document for keywords and then have home automations work 03:23:44.120 --> 03:23:47.560 off of the keywords and then have microphones distributed through my whole, 03:23:49.160 --> 03:23:52.360 your basement of the house you were renting me at the time. 03:23:53.720 --> 03:23:57.880 And then basically have it always listening but always entirely local. 03:23:57.880 --> 03:24:01.480 And I didn't even want this computer exposed to the internet. I wanted it air-gapped. 03:24:01.480 --> 03:24:06.360 Like there's no way. This is only my stuff and it like auto deletes, whatever, 03:24:06.360 --> 03:24:11.080 does all these different types of things, but running different home automations off of, off of that. 03:24:11.080 --> 03:24:15.000 What did you even want it to do? I don't remember. I just, I think I just wanted to make it work. 03:24:15.560 --> 03:24:19.560 Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's fair enough because that seems like a lot of why people bother to do 03:24:19.560 --> 03:24:22.200 home automation stuff is just for like the fun of it. Yeah. 03:24:23.880 --> 03:24:26.360 I don't remember. I think I had some more specific things. 03:24:27.160 --> 03:24:36.760 But, yeah, and he kind of, it was possible and he talked me through some of the problems 03:24:36.760 --> 03:24:41.080 that it would have and different things like that. And then I didn't end up doing it for a variety of reasons, but 03:24:42.680 --> 03:24:45.800 oh, a constant stream of dragon dictation would have been messy. 03:24:45.800 --> 03:24:47.160 Yeah. He pointed that out. 03:24:48.840 --> 03:24:52.360 Yeah. It would be, people are saying home assistant does that now. 03:24:52.360 --> 03:24:57.800 Wendell has a video on it. That's really interesting. I didn't actually know. I was going to say we should look into doing something like that now. 03:24:57.800 --> 03:25:10.520 For the tech house, we will. Cool. Yeah. We actually, there's a guy working on a thing that could be a more elegant way of 03:25:10.520 --> 03:25:16.600 implementing that, that I'm not at liberty to discuss yet, but we are maybe going to like, 03:25:16.600 --> 03:25:20.440 I don't know, feature that thing because it makes it to market. 03:25:20.440 --> 03:25:24.920 Love something like that. It can't touch the internet at all. 03:25:24.920 --> 03:25:28.120 Yeah. That's like his whole jam. Fantastic. 03:25:28.120 --> 03:25:32.920 Yeah. Super cool. It should be super cool. Because I love, like I've been to a few people's places recently 03:25:34.280 --> 03:25:40.120 that have like an Alexa setup or whatever thing and they tie some automations to it. 03:25:40.120 --> 03:25:45.880 And it's really cool, but I'm not putting that in my house. 03:25:46.520 --> 03:25:48.200 Yep. So. I hear you. 03:25:49.720 --> 03:25:52.840 Our next topic, or wait, what are we supposed to be doing? When after dark. 03:25:53.640 --> 03:25:57.400 How the heck are we supposed to transition to when after dark? We still have like five. 03:25:57.400 --> 03:26:01.240 We have been live for three and a half hours. You've been live for three and a half hours. 03:26:01.240 --> 03:26:03.960 That is also correct. Boom. 03:26:05.480 --> 03:26:06.040 Roasted. 03:26:08.840 --> 03:26:11.960 Should we blast through some stuff? I think we have some topics in here we can go through quickly. 03:26:11.960 --> 03:26:16.280 I mean, or we have some topics that are pretty big and important that we could get to. 03:26:16.280 --> 03:26:18.680 Yes. What the fuck? 03:26:19.720 --> 03:26:29.640 Yeah. Oh, wow. We do still have that topic. Okay. YouTuber Ben Jordan has released a video demonstrating some serious security and privacy 03:26:29.640 --> 03:26:37.800 concerns with Flock safety's license plate cameras and their public safety technology ecosystem. 03:26:38.680 --> 03:26:44.840 Flock safety is an American manufacturer and operator of automatic license plate readers, 03:26:44.840 --> 03:26:52.600 ALPRs, video surveillance, and gunfire locator systems with more than 80,000 of their cameras 03:26:52.600 --> 03:27:00.280 deployed in the US. Flock operates many of these systems under contract for thousands of police departments 03:27:00.280 --> 03:27:05.000 plus other agencies, neighborhood associations, and private property owners. 03:27:06.040 --> 03:27:10.040 The video builds on a white paper from independent security researcher, 03:27:10.040 --> 03:27:16.360 John Gaines, documenting more than 50 vulnerabilities in Flock safety systems. 03:27:16.920 --> 03:27:22.200 The video reports that multiple Flock safety accounts belonging to public safety authorities 03:27:22.200 --> 03:27:29.640 were found for sale on the dark web and notes that Flock does not require two-factor 03:27:29.640 --> 03:27:32.920 authentication for some of their police department clients. 03:27:33.240 --> 03:27:39.400 It gets better. 03:27:40.520 --> 03:27:46.120 Researchers found that by pressing the button on a Flock camera in a particular pattern, 03:27:46.120 --> 03:27:49.400 you can enable a wireless access point on the device. Oh, that's awesome. 03:27:50.120 --> 03:27:55.480 After connecting to that access point, an attacker can send a command to enable ADB 03:27:55.480 --> 03:28:00.600 and then connect directly to the Flock device, allowing them to access all its data, 03:28:00.680 --> 03:28:06.280 allowing them to install their own software, and just generally use the device however they want. 03:28:06.280 --> 03:28:09.880 You know, there's a lot of different, this is a completely unrelated note, 03:28:09.880 --> 03:28:14.840 but there's been a lot of different sites that have started tracking different 03:28:14.840 --> 03:28:18.120 movement of like ice vehicles and police activity and stuff. 03:28:19.160 --> 03:28:25.080 It would be a real shame if it just worked the opposite way that they had intended for it to work. 03:28:25.320 --> 03:28:30.760 Anyway, if connecting to that access point is too much effort, Gaines also created a tool to 03:28:30.760 --> 03:28:35.000 make it even easier for anyone to gain full control of one of these cameras. 03:28:35.640 --> 03:28:40.280 Gaines says the longest part actually is waiting for the access point to turn on, 03:28:40.280 --> 03:28:45.400 realistically about five seconds, and it's not just the cameras. 03:28:45.400 --> 03:28:49.160 If you're trying to take over one of Flock's AI compute boxes, 03:28:49.160 --> 03:28:53.720 so that's an edge processing device that's used as part of their license plate recognition system, 03:28:54.040 --> 03:28:57.640 you don't even need to go to the trouble of turning on that access point. 03:28:57.640 --> 03:29:02.120 The device's USB-C port is just sitting there, waiting for something to be plugged in, 03:29:02.120 --> 03:29:05.320 and Gaines says you can just plug in a rubber ducky and walk away. 03:29:06.200 --> 03:29:10.520 So a rubber ducky is a USB device that pretends to be a keyboard 03:29:10.520 --> 03:29:15.640 and then sends pre-programmed keystrokes to the target device. We did a video about them a few years ago, they're super cool. 03:29:16.280 --> 03:29:19.560 And then once you have access, you can literally do anything you want on the device, 03:29:19.720 --> 03:29:24.040 including editing or outright replacing footage. 03:29:29.000 --> 03:29:35.320 It gets better. Flock's apps are installed on their devices with debugging enabled, 03:29:35.320 --> 03:29:40.520 which among other shenanigans means that execution can be paused mid-run, 03:29:41.080 --> 03:29:43.480 and memory can be accessed and modified, which 03:29:45.640 --> 03:29:48.440 leads to remote code execution with root privileges. 03:29:50.520 --> 03:29:56.520 Researchers also found that flock cameras had a concerning level of hard-coded data, 03:29:56.520 --> 03:30:00.200 including a list of preferred Wi-Fi networks. 03:30:00.200 --> 03:30:05.720 Oh, that's awesome. So by setting up dummy access points with those network names, 03:30:05.720 --> 03:30:08.760 and then blocking access to cellular data, 03:30:08.760 --> 03:30:13.720 researchers were able to trick flock cameras into connecting to the dummy networks 03:30:13.720 --> 03:30:16.760 and then routing their traffic through them. Sick. 03:30:17.480 --> 03:30:24.040 Analyzing the traffic with the usual tools, researchers found additional credentials being sent in clear text. 03:30:24.040 --> 03:30:27.720 Beautiful. Absolute cinema. 03:30:27.720 --> 03:30:31.320 Some of this stuff, I wonder if it's intentional. 03:30:32.120 --> 03:30:35.400 Like, the developers working for flock are just like, 03:30:35.400 --> 03:30:39.080 yeah, this kind of statewide surveillance is f***ed. 03:30:39.080 --> 03:30:42.760 Let's make sure this stuff sucks. Like, is that... One could hope, I don't know. 03:30:42.760 --> 03:30:46.280 I doubt it. Never attribute to... I doubt it too. 03:30:46.280 --> 03:30:49.320 You know, whatever that could be adequately explained by stupidity. 03:30:49.320 --> 03:30:50.440 I hope there's at least one. 03:30:52.440 --> 03:31:01.560 If you want to go with a real old-school attack, researchers also found considerable RF signal leakage coming from newer flock cameras 03:31:01.560 --> 03:31:05.800 and discovered that it was possible to use a modern version of a tempest attack 03:31:06.440 --> 03:31:13.240 to see the live view of the camera by simply isolating and decoding the camera data stream 03:31:13.960 --> 03:31:17.240 from the leaking RF signals. 03:31:19.480 --> 03:31:21.640 Dan, I've seen the comments. 03:31:22.920 --> 03:31:25.880 I know that there's a toucan somewhere in the frame, 03:31:27.080 --> 03:31:31.560 but my ability to can has been lost on this round show. 03:31:32.200 --> 03:31:35.080 I can't anymore. He's going to have to go. 03:31:36.440 --> 03:31:40.600 Where is he? I don't know. I haven't been able to find him. 03:31:42.440 --> 03:31:44.280 Oh. Surability toucan? 03:31:46.360 --> 03:31:52.920 Farewell for the rest of this round show, because I do not have the ability to can anymore because I can't. 03:31:54.680 --> 03:31:59.960 And I'm not done yet. The problems aren't just in their hardware. 03:32:00.840 --> 03:32:07.560 Researchers also found an exposed API key on a flock demo site that shows some of the things 03:32:07.640 --> 03:32:13.320 that public safety agencies are storing in ArcGIS, a popular geographic information system, 03:32:13.320 --> 03:32:17.800 which, by the way, was recently found to be compromised by a Chinese state-sponsored hacking 03:32:17.800 --> 03:32:25.320 group. Of course it was. This means that any and all data that agencies are tracking in ArcGIS may be compromised, 03:32:25.320 --> 03:32:30.440 including personal information of officers and agents, live locations of patrol cars and suspect 03:32:30.440 --> 03:32:35.560 vehicles, and any other vehicle seen on one of flock's cameras, and so on and so forth. 03:32:36.520 --> 03:32:39.480 Believe it or not, we're not done yet. 03:32:40.200 --> 03:32:43.480 Well, we're done. But that's still just the tip of the iceberg. 03:32:43.480 --> 03:32:47.480 Go check out the video. Dan, if you want to drop it in all the chats. Yeah. From Ben Jordan. 03:32:47.480 --> 03:32:51.080 Or check out John Gaines White Paper. Both are excellent. 03:32:51.960 --> 03:32:58.680 U.S. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon and Representative Raja, uh-oh, Raja of Illinois 03:32:58.680 --> 03:33:04.440 have requested that the FTC open an investigation of flock safety's cybersecurity practices. 03:33:05.320 --> 03:33:08.360 And if you want to see if any of these systems are being used near you, 03:33:08.360 --> 03:33:11.880 you can check out the EFF's Atlas of Surveillance. 03:33:17.880 --> 03:33:19.560 Who could have possibly seen this coming? 03:33:21.480 --> 03:33:24.600 I don't know. Not flock. Not with their army of cameras. 03:33:25.240 --> 03:33:32.920 I do. I am wondering. So Ben is also the person who did the whole I Saved a PNG to a bird thing. 03:33:33.000 --> 03:33:36.600 I know at Diamond Dave pointed this out, but I was just kind of putting that together myself as well. 03:33:37.480 --> 03:33:40.120 Saved a PNG to a bird, flock. 03:33:41.400 --> 03:33:42.120 What's going on here? 03:33:44.520 --> 03:33:46.760 Ben has an interesting interest in birds. 03:33:47.640 --> 03:33:50.840 It's all bird related. Okay. He's trying to tell us. Is it? 03:33:50.840 --> 03:33:54.520 He is trying to tell us something. Are the power lines actually how they charge? 03:33:55.160 --> 03:33:58.920 The birds are surveillance. I think what's happening. I think they aren't real. 03:33:58.920 --> 03:34:00.600 Yeah, they might not be real. Wake up. 03:34:02.920 --> 03:34:07.800 If I take off my headphones, do I not have to listen to you people? 03:34:08.520 --> 03:34:13.000 No, I can still hear them. You can probably not hear me very well. Yeah, I can hear you just fine. 03:34:13.000 --> 03:34:14.920 Ben's stuff is awesome. Well, that's disappointing. 03:34:16.680 --> 03:34:19.960 Very, very cool video. Birds are the government. Stop it. 03:34:19.960 --> 03:34:25.320 Stop it all the way. They are. They are. That's why they won't move to underground power lines. 03:34:25.320 --> 03:34:30.440 I think the government would be running better if they charge. No, the government would be running better if it was birds. 03:34:31.080 --> 03:34:34.520 How do you know it's not? Have you ever seen them? 03:34:35.240 --> 03:34:39.320 A bird? Yeah, you can't prove that. No, he means the government. 03:34:39.320 --> 03:34:42.360 Oh, the government. Same thing. Have I ever seen them? 03:34:42.360 --> 03:34:44.760 Yeah, the same thing. Have I ever seen the government? 03:34:45.560 --> 03:34:51.480 Do you see what I mean? Could Mark Carney theoretically be an AI influencer? 03:34:51.480 --> 03:34:55.080 I've never seen him in person. I haven't either. That's a good take. 03:34:57.480 --> 03:35:01.000 Not unless I've seen him in person. Yeah, I mean, we live in the zero trust age. 03:35:01.000 --> 03:35:04.280 Who's going to hear the fun question? Who's going to be the first VTuber president? 03:35:08.040 --> 03:35:11.560 If I hadn't already lost my ability to Ken, that would have done it. 03:35:12.920 --> 03:35:17.000 Miku for president. Oh, man. 03:35:17.000 --> 03:35:19.640 Okay. Anyways, continuing onwards. 03:35:20.280 --> 03:35:23.160 At least Hatsune Miku wouldn't have started a feud with China. 03:35:26.440 --> 03:35:29.560 I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Would they have tariffed Canada, though? 03:35:30.200 --> 03:35:33.960 We'll never know. Talking of wars with China. 03:35:33.960 --> 03:35:38.440 Do you want to do the other two sponsors? Oh, sure. What does that have to do with the sponsors? 03:35:38.440 --> 03:35:43.880 Oh, okay. Demonetizing? 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Last week, Apple lost a federal jury trial in California 03:38:20.760 --> 03:38:23.320 over the use of blood oxygen monitoring technology. 03:38:23.880 --> 03:38:28.120 In 2023, the U.S. International Trade Commission ruled in Massimo's favor, 03:38:28.120 --> 03:38:31.720 which then banned Apple from importing Apple watches that had that technology. 03:38:32.360 --> 03:38:36.600 Earlier this year, Apple implemented a workaround to bring back the monitoring function 03:38:36.600 --> 03:38:40.120 by having the user's iPhone measure and calculate blood oxygen data. 03:38:40.120 --> 03:38:44.280 Massimo is now suing U.S. Customs and Border Protection over allowing Apple to do this. 03:38:44.920 --> 03:38:49.640 Massimo has also accused Apple of poaching its employees like their chief medical officer. 03:38:49.640 --> 03:38:54.680 Apple says they disagree with the verdict and will appeal. Can we talk about the concept of poaching? 03:38:57.000 --> 03:38:58.360 You can't own people. 03:39:00.520 --> 03:39:03.960 If someone's willing to pay someone more, then isn't that just like the free market? 03:39:05.720 --> 03:39:10.040 Am I missing something here? Like, I do understand that people can be privy to trade secrets. 03:39:11.720 --> 03:39:17.160 There can be instances of corporate espionage where someone specifically gains a position 03:39:17.160 --> 03:39:22.360 in order to get access to data and bring it back somewhere else. I think there's also an idea where you could attack 03:39:22.360 --> 03:39:26.440 another company by constantly depleting them of human resources. 03:39:26.440 --> 03:39:29.320 That could be anti-competitive. And then firing them immediately? 03:39:29.960 --> 03:39:32.680 Well, no, if you hire them forever, then isn't it fine? 03:39:33.800 --> 03:39:37.080 What if you just poached all their employees and then fired them after two months? 03:39:37.080 --> 03:39:42.200 Well, no, I'm not saying it's a problem for the individuals involved being poached. 03:39:42.200 --> 03:39:47.400 I'm saying like, if you're trying to operate as a business and another company... 03:39:49.480 --> 03:39:52.600 Are we saying that is the attack? Is you take all their good employees... 03:39:52.600 --> 03:39:57.480 This is a fascinating idea. You don't have hiring at all. 03:39:58.360 --> 03:40:02.200 You have a competitor and you just trust their hiring process 03:40:02.200 --> 03:40:05.560 and then just offer anyone that gets hired there slightly more. 03:40:05.560 --> 03:40:10.280 Save your money on the hiring process. Your job board is there linked in. 03:40:12.280 --> 03:40:17.000 That one looks nice. How much you make? I'll add 5%, 10%, 20%. 03:40:17.000 --> 03:40:20.840 It's like their hiring process is probably pretty rigorous. I mean, I'm sure people have thought of this. 03:40:20.840 --> 03:40:24.600 We'll take them. That was basically the entire developer circle jerk 03:40:24.600 --> 03:40:29.800 in Silicon Valley for... I think so. I mean, years. And this is where I think mostly 03:40:29.800 --> 03:40:34.280 the term poaching comes from. It's not hiring one person. It's trying to take an entire team, 03:40:34.920 --> 03:40:38.200 as far as my understanding goes. Like, I know old-school Silicon Valley, 03:40:38.760 --> 03:40:43.880 there was conversations about poaching when like... Yeah, a company would want to spin up an ARM 03:40:43.880 --> 03:40:48.120 of its own company, it would take an entire team. So you take a whole business unit out. 03:40:48.120 --> 03:40:49.720 Yeah, see, that's where I kind of... 03:40:51.400 --> 03:40:58.440 Because on the one hand, I can completely see multiple facets 03:40:58.440 --> 03:41:02.440 or multiple angles of this. Like from a worker angle, 03:41:03.240 --> 03:41:06.520 anything that restricts my mobility is bullshit. 03:41:06.520 --> 03:41:12.120 Oh, I don't think there should be restrictions put on it. Well, but I would say, 03:41:12.120 --> 03:41:17.480 I would say, I would feel as a worker that my mobility is restricted 03:41:17.480 --> 03:41:23.240 if you're employing me today and Dan could potentially be punished for poaching me. 03:41:24.280 --> 03:41:28.200 I say that restricts my mobility. Well, they're suing... 03:41:28.200 --> 03:41:32.280 No, they accuse them of it. Are they suing them for it? I don't think you can sue someone for poaching. 03:41:32.280 --> 03:41:35.800 Oh, okay. Okay, in that case, you know what? I misread this. 03:41:35.800 --> 03:41:40.600 I thought that there was some kind of implication that poaching was somehow not allowed. 03:41:40.600 --> 03:41:44.040 No, I think it smells... Oh, okay, that's like a gentlemanly... You can sue someone. 03:41:44.040 --> 03:41:46.200 Oh. Can you? Nope. 03:41:50.600 --> 03:41:55.640 It's typically a basis for a lawsuit. If the poach employee non-competes, non-solicitation, 03:41:55.640 --> 03:41:58.680 if the employee had a fiduciary obligation to the former company... 03:41:58.680 --> 03:42:02.280 Oh, okay. If the poach employee has access to valuable or confidential information. 03:42:02.280 --> 03:42:06.120 Okay, so, yeah, okay then. Yeah, it's okay. No, I'm going to come back to what I'm saying. 03:42:06.120 --> 03:42:09.960 But you can't just... So, who... What employee... Name an employee at Linus Media Group 03:42:09.960 --> 03:42:13.480 that doesn't have access to any valuable or confidential information. 03:42:13.480 --> 03:42:17.080 That's so broad. But any employee anywhere for any company, technically. 03:42:17.080 --> 03:42:23.000 Exactly. But it would have to be utilizable by the company that they're going to. 03:42:23.000 --> 03:42:26.280 Sure, but I mean... If I got hired to the... That's literally the definition 03:42:26.280 --> 03:42:29.480 of relevant experience. Almost. 03:42:29.480 --> 03:42:34.440 There's a big difference between experience and information. Sure, but you gain a lot of information 03:42:34.440 --> 03:42:38.600 through experience and you gain a lot of experience through the utilization of information. 03:42:38.600 --> 03:42:44.040 There's a different... The type of information is important. And I'm not trying to form a nuanced take right now. 03:42:44.040 --> 03:42:48.040 I hear what you're saying. I'm trying to see it from one perspective. I don't know how to define it, 03:42:48.040 --> 03:42:51.480 but there's a dividing line in the type of information. 03:42:51.480 --> 03:42:56.120 There's definitely multiple definitions. It's like IP information. So, definition number one is, 03:42:56.120 --> 03:42:59.720 as a worker bee, who's doing my bee work, 03:43:00.360 --> 03:43:04.760 fuck anything that limits my mobility. And if there's any kind of restriction 03:43:04.760 --> 03:43:10.040 that prevents Dan over here from hiring me for more than you're willing to pay me, 03:43:10.040 --> 03:43:14.680 then basically fuck that. So, I can see that perspective 100%. 03:43:15.720 --> 03:43:18.760 I can also see the perspective of... 03:43:18.760 --> 03:43:24.920 Let's say a startup, right? A smaller entity going like, 03:43:24.920 --> 03:43:29.240 well, hold on, this is bull spit because a company like... 03:43:29.240 --> 03:43:33.720 And I don't want to pick on anyone specific. So, let's just say one of the magnificent, 03:43:33.720 --> 03:43:38.280 however many of them there are. You know, one of these like giant mega cap, 03:43:38.280 --> 03:43:43.000 hundreds of billions, or even like trillions of dollars valuation companies, 03:43:43.640 --> 03:43:48.440 having just enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens, 03:43:49.000 --> 03:43:50.920 just coming in and strategically 03:43:52.760 --> 03:43:55.320 making it impossible for my company to function 03:43:56.840 --> 03:44:00.600 by effectively like... Yeah, just kneecapping my ability to function 03:44:00.600 --> 03:44:03.720 by just hiring away absolutely everyone. Effectively does happen. 03:44:03.720 --> 03:44:09.160 Which is not anything that they've done wrong 03:44:09.160 --> 03:44:13.560 from like the worker's perspective, but from an antitrust 03:44:13.560 --> 03:44:17.240 and maintaining a true free market perspective, 03:44:17.240 --> 03:44:20.120 I could see being an actual problem. 03:44:22.040 --> 03:44:25.160 Yeah, I don't know how to deal with that. I don't know how to deal with that. 03:44:25.160 --> 03:44:31.640 I don't think you can. I don't think you can. I don't think you can write a law that stops that from happening 03:44:31.640 --> 03:44:36.360 that doesn't end up with an outsized negative effect 03:44:36.360 --> 03:44:39.640 on the employees in this situation. Yeah. 03:44:40.200 --> 03:44:43.480 Yeah, because if you try to write a law that would cover that, 03:44:44.040 --> 03:44:51.160 it would unquestionably be abused in highly corporate favor. 03:44:52.840 --> 03:44:56.840 It would just end up being bad. There's a lot of cases like this, right? 03:44:56.840 --> 03:45:00.200 And I pretty much guarantee you that that has happened. Oh, yeah. 03:45:00.200 --> 03:45:07.240 I mean, 100%. There's just nothing you can do about it. Like someone in chat pointed out like information 03:45:07.240 --> 03:45:12.360 that we could have that could be used by an outside group could be like a customer list. 03:45:12.360 --> 03:45:15.720 Oh, 100%. But one of the problems with something like a customer list 03:45:15.720 --> 03:45:19.160 is you're getting sued on both ends. 03:45:19.160 --> 03:45:23.240 The employee that left with that and then gave it over would be individually sued. 03:45:23.240 --> 03:45:27.880 And if the company that received it didn't immediately get rid of it and then go after the employee 03:45:27.880 --> 03:45:31.640 and basically fire them, if they took that information 03:45:31.640 --> 03:45:36.040 and used it, you could also just sue them. Like that's actually just super not okay, 03:45:36.040 --> 03:45:40.040 but mostly for the privacy of the user list reasons. 03:45:40.040 --> 03:45:45.400 But what if it wasn't a user list? What if it was my relationship list? 03:45:45.400 --> 03:45:49.160 Then where's the line between a user list? That one is interesting. 03:45:49.160 --> 03:45:52.840 That's in a database. Because I personally know people. And a relationship list that's in my phone. 03:45:53.240 --> 03:45:56.760 Which is also a database. Linus, you went to that factory tour 03:45:56.760 --> 03:46:01.480 and they made you blur that machine. I just memorized the name and model of that machine. 03:46:02.600 --> 03:46:06.600 I'm going to a similar company. A funky one. I'm going to a similar company. 03:46:06.600 --> 03:46:10.520 Like for my last job, I took knowledge of what I did there 03:46:10.520 --> 03:46:14.760 and I apply it here. But knowledge of how to do a skill is not the thing that we're talking about. 03:46:14.760 --> 03:46:17.240 But knowledge of a piece of information. It's my industry. 03:46:17.880 --> 03:46:21.320 You know? And the knowledge of how to do skill does not apply. 03:46:21.320 --> 03:46:25.240 Software, hardware. What should we buy? It would have to be... 03:46:26.440 --> 03:46:30.040 Is that not knowledge, right? And where does that blur? 03:46:30.040 --> 03:46:33.080 If I just memorize the phone numbers in the contact list, 03:46:34.280 --> 03:46:39.400 is that knowledge? I literally know what machine we do lithography with. 03:46:39.400 --> 03:46:43.800 You should buy that one. I didn't take a list. It's just that was the one that we used. 03:46:43.800 --> 03:46:46.280 I know that. That's interesting. Pay me half a million a year, please. 03:46:47.160 --> 03:46:51.480 Nipolas Cage says, a TikToker just got sued and lost. 03:46:51.480 --> 03:46:56.200 Or the TikToker who... A TikToker got sued and lost 03:46:57.400 --> 03:47:00.280 for stealing someone's husband. If you can win that case, 03:47:00.840 --> 03:47:06.440 certainly you could win a case against this. Now, I think it was less about the actual like adultery 03:47:06.440 --> 03:47:09.560 and more about the TikToker posting publicly about it 03:47:09.560 --> 03:47:12.760 and humiliating the wife. Okay. Yeah. 03:47:12.760 --> 03:47:17.080 That is my understanding of that, but it was an interesting headline. Still don't know how that works, to be honest. 03:47:17.080 --> 03:47:20.520 Isn't kidnapping just like... Actually a crime. Oh, wait. Etsy. 03:47:20.520 --> 03:47:24.520 Etsy. He basically stole my husband. Sorry, that's why I laughed. Because that's kind of mean. 03:47:24.520 --> 03:47:28.680 Wait, Etsy says it's a specific Georgia law and it is about the infidelity. 03:47:28.680 --> 03:47:33.880 You've got to be kidding me. That makes so much sense. You can be sued for being a husband stealer. 03:47:33.880 --> 03:47:40.040 America's a wild place. You've got to be kidding me. Wow. This breeze says it's a pretty poorly executed court case. 03:47:40.040 --> 03:47:41.480 You've got to be kidding me. 03:47:44.120 --> 03:47:48.520 Oh, Nipolas Cage says North Carolina. Well, hold on. 03:47:48.520 --> 03:47:51.640 Ikea Cherry says Georgia, husband poaching. 03:47:51.640 --> 03:47:52.760 Okay, come on, chat. 03:47:54.680 --> 03:47:57.560 Now you're just confusing me. Okay. 03:48:00.280 --> 03:48:04.520 We should move on. I don't know if any of us knows. 03:48:04.520 --> 03:48:05.960 Relationship secrets. 03:48:07.880 --> 03:48:10.520 I see myself as more of a sunny side-up husband. 03:48:13.560 --> 03:48:14.440 Scrambled eggs. 03:48:17.240 --> 03:48:18.120 I actually poached. 03:48:23.400 --> 03:48:26.760 Are you going to have an egg pun? He did one. Did you? 03:48:27.160 --> 03:48:29.000 I, not really. 03:48:31.000 --> 03:48:31.960 I said scrambled. 03:48:34.680 --> 03:48:35.400 It's not very good. 03:48:38.040 --> 03:48:41.320 I want you to give the ding to him, not me. Yeah, sorry, bypassed my name. 03:48:41.320 --> 03:48:43.560 I do not share in the reverberations. 03:48:44.920 --> 03:48:49.000 This is exciting. I, is it? 03:48:50.120 --> 03:48:54.280 Yeah, because, and I'll explain why. 03:48:54.280 --> 03:48:57.880 Actually, I'll explain why after. First, I'll talk about it. 03:48:57.880 --> 03:49:03.320 Tesla is apparently considering integrating Apple CarPlay. 03:49:03.320 --> 03:49:10.360 This is not confirmed, but reports call for wireless connectivity 03:49:10.360 --> 03:49:16.200 and it would be displayed within a windowed environment in the Tesla infotainment system. 03:49:16.200 --> 03:49:21.880 And this reconsideration of implementing CarPlay appears to be driven, pun intended, 03:49:21.880 --> 03:49:27.640 thank you, new probationary writer, by Apple abandoning plans to create its own electric car. 03:49:28.840 --> 03:49:33.000 This is just another little tidbit. CarPlay and Android Auto are considered essential. 03:49:33.000 --> 03:49:36.120 By at least one third or more of potential buyers, I am one of them. 03:49:36.120 --> 03:49:40.280 I consider those things essential. And let me explain why. 03:49:40.280 --> 03:49:43.800 Are you a potential buyer of a Tesla? I am excited about this. 03:49:47.160 --> 03:49:53.720 At any stage in Tesla's journey from where they were to where they are today, 03:49:54.360 --> 03:49:58.040 I have never been open to driving one. 03:49:58.760 --> 03:50:02.200 And not driving one, but they, yeah, driving one. 03:50:02.200 --> 03:50:08.600 Well, okay, see, it's complicated. I bought one because my in-laws chose a Model Y when I told them they could have a car. 03:50:08.600 --> 03:50:13.960 And so I bought them a Model Y. So I've bought a Tesla, but I would never buy one for myself. 03:50:13.960 --> 03:50:18.200 They had to go to you for approval. And you said that they could have a car? 03:50:18.200 --> 03:50:22.840 Well, I paid for it. I know, I'm just messing. The wording of it was funny. 03:50:23.800 --> 03:50:26.920 They came to me and I told them they could have a car, I guess. 03:50:26.920 --> 03:50:31.400 But no, it wasn't like that. I know, it's just so fun. They did a lot of childcare for us over the years. 03:50:31.400 --> 03:50:36.440 They were hugely supportive and are a huge part of how Yvonne and I were able to be as 03:50:36.440 --> 03:50:43.480 successful as we were. They let us live there rent-free for years while we went to school. 03:50:43.480 --> 03:50:47.160 No, it's sick. I thought it was cool. And while we saved up to buy our first house together. 03:50:47.720 --> 03:50:51.000 So basically, I was just paying them back. Yeah. Like, yeah. 03:50:51.000 --> 03:50:53.640 Which is sick. I just, the way you word it, which is funny. 03:50:55.080 --> 03:50:59.720 So anyway, a major part of why I wouldn't consider a Tesla 03:50:59.720 --> 03:51:03.000 is the locked down proprietary nature of their infotainment system. 03:51:03.000 --> 03:51:07.640 Sure. Because the writing was on the wall the day they locked it down. 03:51:08.440 --> 03:51:12.680 They were going to control every aspect of the software of this car 03:51:12.680 --> 03:51:16.920 and the software of this car was going to control every aspect of the hardware. 03:51:16.920 --> 03:51:20.840 And so it was a matter of time and we've talked about this many times over the years 03:51:20.840 --> 03:51:25.320 before everything would be a flipping subscription or an unlock or a fee 03:51:25.320 --> 03:51:29.320 or whatever the case may be. And I'm not into that. 03:51:29.320 --> 03:51:34.440 I already have something with a bunch of subscriptions, including a wireless data subscription. 03:51:34.440 --> 03:51:38.200 And I would like to simply plug it into my car 03:51:38.200 --> 03:51:40.760 so that I don't have two of those things in my life because 03:51:41.720 --> 03:51:50.280 one is enough. And a major concern that I had about Tesla's success 03:51:51.080 --> 03:51:56.600 was that they were having all of this success with this locked down infotainment system. 03:51:57.640 --> 03:52:01.080 My lips really hurt. Don't laugh at me. 03:52:01.080 --> 03:52:04.280 That's so mean. I wasn't even going to until you said so. 03:52:04.280 --> 03:52:10.520 I was doing fine. It like, the reason that I list there was because this one like caught on the thing. 03:52:11.000 --> 03:52:13.800 It's really painful right now. They're like super swollen today. 03:52:15.000 --> 03:52:17.080 Back of my throat swollen too, but that's a separate issue. 03:52:21.560 --> 03:52:27.320 The point is it's been a major concern for me that Tesla has managed to be so successful 03:52:27.880 --> 03:52:36.120 having broken from the rest of the crowd in allowing this and that they've become 03:52:36.200 --> 03:52:42.920 sort that they had become anyway, this like leader in electrification and in car software. 03:52:42.920 --> 03:52:49.800 And you can you can actually see their influence. That's what I was worried about in the same way that even as a non iPhone user, 03:52:49.800 --> 03:52:56.760 I get concerned when Apple does something that is that is unfriendly to interoperability 03:52:56.760 --> 03:52:59.880 between devices or that is not consumer friendly. 03:52:59.880 --> 03:53:04.360 I get concerned by that because as Apple does, the industry tends to follow. 03:53:04.360 --> 03:53:13.720 Do you think that is still true? I absolutely agree that it was. And for many years, Tesla was undisputably a leader in car software. 03:53:13.720 --> 03:53:19.640 I don't know that Rivian would have had the would have had the stones to say, 03:53:21.480 --> 03:53:29.480 no carplay, no Android Auto. If Tesla hadn't shown that there was a major customer base that was willing to overlook it. 03:53:30.840 --> 03:53:39.960 So sorry, what were you going to ask? I wasn't going to do you think there's still a thought leader in the space at this point? 03:53:39.960 --> 03:53:46.680 I still think that their software experience is ahead of where many other North American brands 03:53:46.680 --> 03:53:52.360 are. I think that GM is like trying to build an infotainment solution into their cars that 03:53:52.360 --> 03:54:00.040 will rival Tesla. I remember having just a stoop like I probably gave the guy a look 03:54:00.120 --> 03:54:06.200 unintentionally. But when we were shopping for Yvonne's new car and we were at the dealership 03:54:06.200 --> 03:54:11.240 and the guy goes like, and yeah, compared to yours, which uses the like couple of years older 03:54:11.240 --> 03:54:15.320 system, the new one is so much more responsive. Look at this. I was like, that's still leggy as f***. 03:54:16.280 --> 03:54:22.760 Come on, man. There's like 10 year old Teslas that are more responsive than this. You've got to be 03:54:22.760 --> 03:54:28.360 kidding me. Anyway, Rep Havoc in Floatplane chats. Tesla news is so damn boring. 03:54:29.320 --> 03:54:34.360 Then you aren't paying attention to it. It's not. Yeah. This is not Tesla news. 03:54:34.360 --> 03:54:41.400 This is news about a potential shift in the mentality as GM is going in the direction 03:54:41.960 --> 03:54:48.840 explicitly going in the direction of reducing their interoperability with your device that 03:54:48.840 --> 03:54:55.560 you can plug in to have all of your maps and stuff and moving toward explicitly doing that 03:54:55.640 --> 03:55:02.120 so that they can move toward more subscription revenue. Tesla, who has been a leader in the space 03:55:02.120 --> 03:55:07.560 of in car software, whether you like them or not. Okay. Doesn't matter. The point is they 03:55:07.560 --> 03:55:12.600 have been an industry leader and are apparently considering integrating Apple CarPlay. This is 03:55:12.600 --> 03:55:19.240 a big deal because competition is good. That's why it's not about Tesla news. You've got to, 03:55:20.200 --> 03:55:26.360 I don't know. You've tried to see the bigger picture here. The bigger picture is any player 03:55:26.360 --> 03:55:33.480 who goes, oh yeah, there is simply no technological reason why I couldn't just run Android Auto or 03:55:33.480 --> 03:55:38.520 CarPlay within a window and maintain my infotainment system and give the user a choice. 03:55:39.880 --> 03:55:46.360 Every one of them that does that puts pressure on everyone else who locks things down and tries 03:55:46.440 --> 03:55:50.040 to turn your entire life into a fucking subscription. It's good. 03:55:53.320 --> 03:56:04.200 That's why it matters. Zeno98 says, not Android Auto. Yeah, I'd be obviously bummed if it stayed 03:56:04.200 --> 03:56:09.960 that way, but I do suspect that CarPlay would simply be what would come first and Android 03:56:09.960 --> 03:56:14.840 Auto would come later. I portioned that. It was CarPlay only for years and then they actually 03:56:14.840 --> 03:56:20.760 backported Android Auto into those cars later on after the fact. I think the reason that they 03:56:20.760 --> 03:56:25.160 prioritized Android Auto is a very similar reason to why Tesla would prioritize Android Auto. I 03:56:25.160 --> 03:56:32.920 think that the Tesla and Apple customer base is probably a very large overlapping Venn diagram. 03:56:32.920 --> 03:56:39.480 They're very similar styles, very similar approach. Tesla obviously emulated a lot of Apple's 03:56:39.480 --> 03:56:48.120 image in creating their products and in creating their brand. Do you know how much it costs for 03:56:48.120 --> 03:56:55.240 a manufacturer? When I was Googling this, I could only find aftermarket stuff or options sometimes, 03:56:55.240 --> 03:57:02.840 but do you know how much it costs on the manufacturer's end to add CarPlay and Android Auto? 03:57:02.840 --> 03:57:06.520 I don't think, my understanding is it doesn't cost anything. My understanding is that Google, 03:57:06.520 --> 03:57:12.120 I don't know about Apple, but on the Google side, my understanding is that it is so beneficial from 03:57:12.120 --> 03:57:16.680 an ecosystem and data collection standpoint that they will basically help you do it. 03:57:17.480 --> 03:57:22.280 Is my understanding, but I could be wrong about that. Interesting. 03:57:23.960 --> 03:57:27.960 Oh yeah. Hey, Samsung fridges display ads now. 03:57:28.040 --> 03:57:38.120 That's the worst. I will not buy. Imagine getting an Apple ad on your Samsung fridge 03:57:40.040 --> 03:57:44.600 and that being the least unnatural thing about this whole experience. 03:57:45.800 --> 03:57:47.320 Yeah, I'm not buying a fridge with a screen. 03:57:49.720 --> 03:57:54.200 Our discussion question is, who could have seen this coming? 03:57:54.200 --> 03:57:56.440 Everyone. It's a slash s. 03:58:00.200 --> 03:58:06.360 That was it. That's all I have to say about that. Man, there's been so many points when I would have lost serability to can. 03:58:08.760 --> 03:58:14.520 Well, maybe to give you something back, I don't think it's in our dock, but full pitch out 03:58:14.520 --> 03:58:19.000 reminded me of it. The Libra pods thing, whatever it's called. 03:58:19.640 --> 03:58:24.520 So it's cool. Have you used it? No, because it requires a rooted phone. 03:58:26.360 --> 03:58:30.280 At least for now is my understanding. So it's pretty cool. 03:58:30.280 --> 03:58:38.040 It unlocks some of the functions that Apple locks by changing your device identification, 03:58:38.040 --> 03:58:43.960 like your device ID, essentially to Apple. So spoof being an Apple device. 03:58:44.760 --> 03:58:51.560 If nothing else, what this does is it proves that there is no technological reason that 03:58:51.560 --> 03:58:59.080 Apple couldn't allow these functions to exist on Android, but that they explicitly block them 03:58:59.880 --> 03:59:06.760 through allowing them only, like allow listing them on Apple devices and then not allowing it 03:59:06.840 --> 03:59:11.960 on anything that isn't a vendor ID, Apple. Wild. 03:59:14.360 --> 03:59:23.080 Yeah, interesting. Seriously, like, I mean, I love my AirPods. I really, really do. We have a video coming, 03:59:23.080 --> 03:59:29.880 full review of AirPods Pro 3's, long-term review. I love AirPods. I hate being a second-class 03:59:29.880 --> 03:59:36.680 citizen because I don't own enough Apple products. So I daily drove them for part of it with an iPhone 03:59:36.760 --> 03:59:40.680 after I switched to the iPhone Air and then I daily drove it for part of it with an Android phone. 03:59:40.680 --> 03:59:45.240 So I kind of had both experiences while I was using them. And there's a lot of really great 03:59:45.240 --> 03:59:51.560 features that are exclusive to AirPods that are paired to an iPhone, which makes the price 03:59:51.560 --> 04:00:00.680 of the AirPods Pro 3's not $250, but starting at $800. And that would be with an iPhone, 04:00:01.240 --> 04:00:08.440 whatever the EU one is, 16E, I think is their most budget iPhone. It's not cheap anymore. 04:00:10.280 --> 04:00:17.560 This is cool. Yeah. Wait, where'd it go? Actually, there's both a couple cool things. The Google Play Store 04:00:17.560 --> 04:00:21.400 will be flagging apps with high battery usage. App developers that plan on publishing through 04:00:21.400 --> 04:00:25.880 the Google Play Store will have until March 1st, 2026 to update their apps to comply with a new 04:00:25.880 --> 04:00:30.520 Android vitals metric called excessive partial wake locks. This will allow the Play Store to flag 04:00:30.520 --> 04:00:36.600 apps that have high background activity that may cause battery draining. I love this. See, this 04:00:37.640 --> 04:00:44.280 this is how you add value to the user to give your marketplace a reason to exist, 04:00:45.240 --> 04:00:53.720 not just by locking developers and locking users into just one app marketplace. This is a 04:00:54.040 --> 04:01:00.920 high, this is a competitive market, non anti trust way to differentiate your marketplace. 04:01:00.920 --> 04:01:04.600 And this would make me, even if I had the choice to use multiple marketplaces, 04:01:04.600 --> 04:01:09.000 whether it's on iOS or whether it's on Android, this would make me more likely to want to use 04:01:09.000 --> 04:01:14.360 the first party one. And not just because you've locked me in so that you can get your 30% cut 04:01:14.360 --> 04:01:20.360 or whatever. I really like this. I think it's super cool. And this one is no notes, but just 04:01:20.440 --> 04:01:23.640 the UK is apparently banning reselling tickets for profit. Sick. 04:01:24.680 --> 04:01:28.280 I love it. Can we all just love this? 04:01:28.280 --> 04:01:34.680 Yeah. I don't think you're adding any, you know, benefit to society by doing that. So 04:01:34.680 --> 04:01:42.920 sounds good. Yeah. Like seriously though, I don't think Taylor Swift wants her tickets marked up by 04:01:42.920 --> 04:01:46.600 third party sellers. It's not like she gets more money for it. 04:01:46.600 --> 04:01:50.040 Like this is great. 04:01:50.040 --> 04:01:53.080 If you can't make it to a concert or whatever and you want to flip your tickets, that should 04:01:53.080 --> 04:01:56.520 absolutely be allowed. Yeah, whatever, but you do it for face value. Yeah, sure. 04:01:56.520 --> 04:01:57.640 That simple. Sweet. 04:02:00.920 --> 04:02:06.040 Love it. I wonder if there's going to be a horrible workaround. Like I wonder if you could do it, 04:02:06.040 --> 04:02:12.440 but have fees. There's always a workaround. You can buy this ticket. It's at face value. 04:02:12.440 --> 04:02:14.040 There's also a thousand dollars of fees. 04:02:16.680 --> 04:02:20.280 Quattro Forte says Taylor does. I really don't think she does. I don't think she, 04:02:20.280 --> 04:02:24.680 I don't, I think she wants you to pay more, yes, but to her, not to a scalper. 04:02:24.680 --> 04:02:32.680 Yeah, for sure. HP and Dell have decided that laptop buyers don't need HEVC support. Some Dell and HP 04:02:32.680 --> 04:02:36.520 laptop owners are discovering that their machines can't play content encoded with 04:02:36.520 --> 04:02:42.920 HEVC or H265 in spite of their CPUs definitely having integrated decoding support. 04:02:43.480 --> 04:02:47.880 The codec has been supported by Intel CPUs since the sixth generation of their core 04:02:47.880 --> 04:02:55.240 processors launched in 2015 and AMD around the same time. For some reason, both manufacturers 04:02:55.240 --> 04:03:00.280 have disabled this feature on some of their most popular or some of their popular business laptops. 04:03:01.160 --> 04:03:05.720 HP discloses that the feature is disabled on the data sheets for the impacted machines, 04:03:05.720 --> 04:03:11.480 while Dell seemingly only mentions it on a general support page about 4k video playback, 04:03:11.560 --> 04:03:18.280 where they note that HEVC content is only available on laptops with an optional discrete GPU, 04:03:18.280 --> 04:03:24.040 with an integrated 4k display, with Dolby Vision or with a Cyberlink Blu-ray player. 04:03:25.480 --> 04:03:32.200 What year is it? When reached for comment, neither company would state why they've chosen to disable the feature 04:03:32.200 --> 04:03:36.440 It's strange. and both suggested the purchase of a third-party software solution. 04:03:37.400 --> 04:03:41.160 A comment on the hardware subreddit suggests that the change may be in response to an 04:03:41.160 --> 04:03:46.760 upcoming increase in licensing costs from a reasonable 20 cents per laptop to a clearly 04:03:46.760 --> 04:03:53.400 profiteering 24 cents per laptop. In all seriousness though, I mean this is a big part of why 04:03:53.400 --> 04:03:58.200 H265, HEVC was such a cluster bomb. There were multiple parties involved in 04:04:01.000 --> 04:04:05.480 IP ownership of part of it, which made the licensing of it just a complete disaster. 04:04:06.840 --> 04:04:07.480 Long live 04:04:10.280 --> 04:04:12.680 H264, I guess. Yeah. 04:04:14.760 --> 04:04:17.720 After dark? And you maybe even longer live AV1. 04:04:18.520 --> 04:04:22.680 Yeah. Yeah, let's go AV1. Big time, big time. I like AV1. 04:04:23.480 --> 04:04:28.520 Yeah, we're going after dark. Is that it for our topics this week? I mean we do technically have other things without notes. 04:04:28.520 --> 04:04:32.120 What are we? We could talk about what I'm doing this weekend. Oh, what are you doing this weekend? 04:04:32.120 --> 04:04:41.080 We could talk about is the bubble popping. Is the AI bubble popping? You see what happened to Bitcoin this week? 04:04:42.360 --> 04:04:43.720 Do you happen to NVIDIA this week? 04:04:45.720 --> 04:04:47.560 Yeah, in spite of their earnings beat? 04:04:51.160 --> 04:04:57.880 Well, yeah, there was some things on the earnings call to Mr. Big A has a good video on it, 04:04:57.880 --> 04:05:02.200 but there's things on the earnings call that upon further investigation did not seem as good. 04:05:03.160 --> 04:05:10.600 Was it the whole circular money thing? There's yeah, there's a lot of accounts receivable chill in there. 04:05:10.600 --> 04:05:16.440 There's a lot of inventory chill in there, which is a interesting situation to be in. 04:05:16.440 --> 04:05:22.520 There was a comparison drawn between Cisco at the hike of the dot-com bubble 04:05:23.080 --> 04:05:26.760 and Vidya now where their accounts receivable are super inflated. 04:05:26.760 --> 04:05:33.080 Their inventory is super inflated. Yeah, how can you have both high inventory and high AR? 04:05:34.680 --> 04:05:35.640 Interesting spot. 04:05:39.080 --> 04:05:43.720 But yeah, don't listen to me. You can watch Big A video because I might be misquoted. 04:05:44.600 --> 04:05:49.080 Well, no, wait, no, hold on. Yeah, because if you have big accounts receivable, 04:05:49.080 --> 04:05:57.400 then you should be shipping inventory, right? Sort of the problem. Ideally, or you're producing at a high amount per HEOX strikes again. 04:05:57.400 --> 04:05:59.560 It does good stuff. 04:06:03.880 --> 04:06:09.800 Maybe that stuff that you sold a bit ago, the really, really high accounts receivable could mean that you're doing a lot of business. 04:06:09.800 --> 04:06:13.800 It could also mean that the partners that you're working with 04:06:13.800 --> 04:06:18.040 are having a hard time paying their bills, which is a bad sign. 04:06:18.040 --> 04:06:20.840 And if you have a bunch of inventory and you have a bunch of that, 04:06:21.400 --> 04:06:24.440 that could mean that your cycle is just really fast. 04:06:25.080 --> 04:06:29.640 And you need to stock up inventory to slap at a data center or whatever. 04:06:30.600 --> 04:06:34.280 It could also mean that you have a bunch of people that bought things 04:06:34.840 --> 04:06:39.640 and are struggling to pay for them. And you're expecting a lot more orders to come in, 04:06:39.640 --> 04:06:43.080 and those ones aren't coming in. And both of those things are happening at the same time. 04:06:43.080 --> 04:06:47.160 So you have a lot of inventory stocking up. You have a lot of people not paying for the stuff that you've already moved. 04:06:47.880 --> 04:06:52.840 There's a lot of different things that it could mean. It doesn't necessarily mean bad, but it doesn't necessarily mean good. 04:06:53.080 --> 04:06:55.400 Not financial advice. 04:06:57.000 --> 04:07:00.520 I'm just throwing that out there. I want to throw that out there. 04:07:00.520 --> 04:07:02.600 Not financial advice. Neither of us are. 04:07:03.560 --> 04:07:07.560 Zero NVIDIA investment. Zero NVIDIA investment. 04:07:07.560 --> 04:07:13.720 I'm zero NVIDIA. Not because I think they're like bad investment. 04:07:13.720 --> 04:07:17.720 I just don't invest in NVIDIA. People have clearly made a lot of money out of it. 04:07:17.720 --> 04:07:21.720 Yeah. And I wish them well. 04:07:22.600 --> 04:07:26.760 I hope that there are many leather jackets in their futures. 04:07:27.400 --> 04:07:32.280 Sure. Maybe even leather jackets in their options. 04:07:35.560 --> 04:07:37.640 That was pretty good. That was pretty good. 04:07:40.280 --> 04:07:42.520 Sorry. It hurts. 04:07:45.160 --> 04:07:50.440 Yeah. So meanwhile, this, that's been interesting to watch over the last. 04:07:50.440 --> 04:07:52.120 This is a Bitcoin month. 04:07:53.640 --> 04:07:57.080 Yeah. Like is the is the bubble popping now? 04:07:57.960 --> 04:08:04.280 Like is it happening? Like everyone, everyone with sort of any kind of connection to reality knows we're in a bubble. 04:08:04.280 --> 04:08:08.360 Yeah. It's just that you can't know when it will pop until it has already popped. 04:08:08.360 --> 04:08:14.280 And in this case, I can't even tell like if this is a if this is a a blip or if this is a real, 04:08:14.280 --> 04:08:19.720 if this is a real pop. Because I mean here, like, you know, Bitcoin is a perfect example of just this like volatility. 04:08:20.680 --> 04:08:25.080 This and this don't look markedly different. 04:08:25.080 --> 04:08:29.560 They look a little different, but like, you know, okay, this was a popped bubble. 04:08:32.760 --> 04:08:36.840 I'd say, I'd say this. Oh man, the way that this is accelerating. 04:08:36.840 --> 04:08:39.960 Okay. It does look bad. Yeah. It's pretty. Oh, she's spicy. 04:08:40.520 --> 04:08:43.160 She's spicy. Did you see my Oracle one? 04:08:43.880 --> 04:08:47.000 Bring it up, bring it up, bring it up. Oracle five days, nine percent. 04:08:48.520 --> 04:08:53.080 Let's see five years. Oh yeah, that's a good way. To the right, to the right, to the right. 04:08:57.960 --> 04:09:05.960 Okay. Is this it? Is it time? I think the most, to me, a very interesting part of this is a lot of people have been pointing at 04:09:05.960 --> 04:09:11.320 open AI. Yeah, not financial advice. That's going to be the one that is the most interesting, but open AI is not public. 04:09:12.440 --> 04:09:18.840 Right. So you can't see it. That's like saying, you know, SpaceX is going to be the bellwether for when the, you know, 04:09:19.720 --> 04:09:23.560 trillionaire space exploration bubble pops or whatever. 04:09:24.520 --> 04:09:28.840 What a bubble. Oh no, the four people it's going to affect. 04:09:29.800 --> 04:09:32.840 That bubble is very well protected. Bezos and shambles. 04:09:33.640 --> 04:09:36.840 What is he going to do this summer? Have to go back to Italy. 04:09:39.640 --> 04:09:42.920 Yeah. How's everyone else doing? You got, you got NVIDIA there? 04:09:42.920 --> 04:09:46.680 Yeah, I can grab that one up there down. Yeah, I just, I just want to see the shape. 04:09:46.680 --> 04:09:49.880 You know, I want to see the shape. Check out Roblox. Okay, five days. 04:09:49.880 --> 04:09:51.080 This is their five days. 04:09:54.120 --> 04:09:57.160 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's their, that's their one. They're pretty bold. So five days. 04:09:57.160 --> 04:10:01.080 One's kind of flatting. Yeah. Five years. I want to see the five years and see the shape. 04:10:02.600 --> 04:10:06.280 Okay. Okay. So that doesn't really look. It's not a mass of fall yet. 04:10:06.280 --> 04:10:09.640 Yeah. It doesn't look markedly worse than things we've seen before. 04:10:09.640 --> 04:10:12.120 Well, 1,266%. 04:10:13.720 --> 04:10:17.400 But yeah, the five days is down about four. 04:10:17.400 --> 04:10:20.840 Yeah. Okay. Not as bad as Oracle. Why do you want me to look at Roblox, Dan? 04:10:20.840 --> 04:10:22.840 Do you, do you? You would be very surprised. Roblox? 04:10:25.880 --> 04:10:29.000 Roblox? Why is Roblox crashing? Yeah. 04:10:29.000 --> 04:10:33.160 What happened? Uh-huh. What? Well, yeah. Why is Roblox falling off a cliff? 04:10:33.160 --> 04:10:37.000 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Look at the one month. Everybody forgets about Roblox. 04:10:37.000 --> 04:10:42.200 No, financial advice. Look at one month. Oh, well, I mean, I'm, I'm looking at five years. 04:10:43.080 --> 04:10:46.360 30%. Yeah. What, what, what, okay. 04:10:46.360 --> 04:10:49.880 Explain yourself. Can you, can you, yeah. Yeah. Why did you bring up Roblox? 04:10:49.880 --> 04:10:56.120 I mean, I can't because not financial advice, but it is a tech stock if you want to think about it like that. 04:10:56.760 --> 04:11:01.640 It's very interesting as a, as a something to look at, I guess. 04:11:03.480 --> 04:11:06.920 You're being so vague. We, we understand it's not financial advice. 04:11:06.920 --> 04:11:11.960 I mean, I have to be. You just want to know what the fuck you're talking about. It's included in a lot of managed EFT portfolios 04:11:11.960 --> 04:11:17.800 and other stuff like that. I see. As, as one of a, like a very big indicator on, 04:11:17.800 --> 04:11:22.920 on that kind of like tech portfolio stuff. Roblox is absolutely massive. 04:11:22.920 --> 04:11:27.400 It's also, you know, played by, I don't know how many people these days. 04:11:27.400 --> 04:11:34.440 A lot of it's fake. And so to see it also dipping is quite interesting. 04:11:34.920 --> 04:11:39.080 I see. I don't know if it's, if it's just like a market correction 04:11:39.080 --> 04:11:42.520 or if this is like, if this is it. 04:11:42.520 --> 04:11:46.200 Or if this is it. It's very easy to be all doomer about it. 04:11:46.200 --> 04:11:50.680 Yeah. I think, I think obviously everything's on sale right now. 04:11:50.680 --> 04:11:52.360 And not financial advice. 04:11:54.200 --> 04:11:57.080 And you just got to keep saying that. Parachutes are not. 04:11:59.000 --> 04:12:03.080 You want to see another interesting one? I'm pretty sure I got this from Mr. Atrioc as well. 04:12:03.080 --> 04:12:06.520 I don't think parachutes work that great from a building anyway. So exactly. 04:12:08.360 --> 04:12:11.880 Google's one month. Yeah. Up 18.6%. 04:12:11.880 --> 04:12:15.720 Google's five day up 4.6%. One day up 3.33%. 04:12:16.280 --> 04:12:21.160 So Google's still on a tear. I mean, I got to feel like part of that has got to be 04:12:21.160 --> 04:12:31.000 that Berkshire just like bought a ton of it. And not even just them soaking up so much of the available stock, 04:12:31.000 --> 04:12:33.960 but also just when Berkshire does something, 04:12:35.080 --> 04:12:38.520 they tend to be trend setters. So I don't even, not financial advice. 04:12:39.960 --> 04:12:44.040 None of this is financial advice. But it is also just interesting. 04:12:44.040 --> 04:12:47.560 At Zelm says they're doing buybacks. I don't, yeah, I don't know that. 04:12:48.920 --> 04:12:53.000 I have not followed what Google's been doing lately. 04:12:53.000 --> 04:12:54.520 Microsoft's apparently down 7%. 04:12:59.080 --> 04:13:04.680 Man, this is, what a, what was it? 04:13:04.680 --> 04:13:10.760 I wasn't there. I wasn't old enough. What was it like to live through the dot com crash? 04:13:11.880 --> 04:13:17.480 I don't know. Like neither of us were there, but it feels like this is our generations dot com crash 04:13:17.480 --> 04:13:23.240 to go along with our generation's COVID crash, to go along with our generation's 2008 financial crisis. 04:13:23.240 --> 04:13:27.880 Here's a fun question. What if we have a 2026 financial crisis 04:13:28.920 --> 04:13:36.040 because of the housing market and an AI bubble crash at the same time? 04:13:36.040 --> 04:13:41.160 What if we doubled it and gave it to ourselves? 04:13:41.160 --> 04:13:43.320 That's an awesome idea. And then COVID too. 04:13:44.440 --> 04:13:47.880 And also like out of control national debt. 04:13:48.920 --> 04:13:53.160 Don't forget about that potential crisis. Military actions, we've got some of those. 04:13:53.160 --> 04:13:56.840 Oh yeah, right, that. Yes, a few of those. This is going to be fun. 04:13:56.840 --> 04:13:59.240 I think are we approaching the great filter? 04:14:00.760 --> 04:14:04.360 Is that what the ultimate interesting times are? 04:14:04.360 --> 04:14:07.880 May you live through interesting times? It's just like, oh my God. 04:14:07.880 --> 04:14:10.760 May you survive the filter? We're so special. Okay, here we go. 04:14:12.440 --> 04:14:14.120 Hear me out. Hear me out. 04:14:15.640 --> 04:14:16.360 Ammunition. 04:14:18.920 --> 04:14:19.720 And canned food. 04:14:22.520 --> 04:14:26.120 Do you think even? Well, I mean, okay, hold on. Not financial advice. 04:14:27.320 --> 04:14:30.760 This is why we're saying Linus Town the whole time. It's to protect us from the climate wars. 04:14:31.400 --> 04:14:35.160 Yeah. Where's the town going to be, Dan? 04:14:35.800 --> 04:14:38.280 In the desert of most of Canada. 04:14:46.040 --> 04:14:51.000 Good news, man, Joe. Yeah, a lot of the military ones are not doing too bad. 04:14:56.120 --> 04:14:59.880 Great. Okay, hear me out. 04:14:59.880 --> 04:15:02.600 Hear me out. Oh boy. 04:15:03.240 --> 04:15:06.680 Tech yacht or tech plane? So when sh** goes down. 04:15:07.560 --> 04:15:10.120 You're going to outrun the sun like that crappy movie? 04:15:14.520 --> 04:15:16.120 I don't even remember the name of that movie. 04:15:18.360 --> 04:15:21.800 Tech Lunar Base. I'm super down. 04:15:21.800 --> 04:15:24.840 Tech Lunar Base, I'm down. Ship me to the moon, dude. 04:15:25.640 --> 04:15:29.320 Let's go. Yeah, okay. 04:15:29.320 --> 04:15:33.400 Do you think even? I bet you CW Engineering could make bang in body armor. 04:15:33.400 --> 04:15:39.560 Do you think even gold will be worth anything in the next major like societal meltdown? 04:15:41.000 --> 04:15:45.160 Will the oldest currency survive? What level of societal meltdown are you talking about? 04:15:45.160 --> 04:15:49.720 I don't know, whatever's coming. Okay, but you're talking, you said- 04:15:49.720 --> 04:15:53.240 We're going full prepper, both of us. Okay, okay, so full prepper. 04:15:53.240 --> 04:15:59.800 Yeah, we're going full prepper, yeah. Like will it be literally water, ammunition, food? 04:15:59.800 --> 04:16:05.000 I think it's that, but for a dense period of time. 04:16:05.000 --> 04:16:09.640 Hold on, hold on, I actually liked Dan's answer. Did you just say downloading the entirety of Wikipedia? 04:16:09.640 --> 04:16:13.160 Like having access to food, guns, and then Wikipedia. 04:16:13.160 --> 04:16:18.040 Let's do some self-revealing prepper stuff right now. I have a decent amount of Wikipedia stuff on my phone. 04:16:18.040 --> 04:16:20.840 Knowledge is great because they can't just kill you and take it. 04:16:24.040 --> 04:16:27.800 Whereas they can kill you and take your stockpile of whatever. 04:16:28.040 --> 04:16:33.800 No, but if it's encrypted, if you're literally the only one, actually no, even then they can just like put a gun to your head 04:16:33.800 --> 04:16:38.200 and tell you they'll pull the trigger if you don't unlock it. Decrypted. But then if you don't unlock it, 04:16:38.200 --> 04:16:48.760 then they can't pull the trigger if they want the knowledge. So it's better than a bunch of bananas in terms of keeping you alive. 04:16:50.920 --> 04:16:52.440 Yeah, I mean, I guess so. 04:16:53.960 --> 04:16:58.680 But yeah, I think that would be a condensed period of time. And then you're going to want to start like making things again. 04:16:58.680 --> 04:17:03.080 And you'll probably want currency again, because currency it turns out is like pretty useful. 04:17:03.080 --> 04:17:08.520 Trade is like a pretty neat idea. And carrying around like cans of food is actually not convenient. 04:17:08.520 --> 04:17:13.320 I think the new currency should just be like little USB flash drives 04:17:13.320 --> 04:17:19.400 with the entirety of Wikipedia on them. And that is like your new currency in the after the apocalypse. 04:17:19.400 --> 04:17:22.840 That's really specific. I mean, knowledge is power. 04:17:22.840 --> 04:17:26.120 But why would you give her, why would you want to give people the entirety of Wikipedia? 04:17:26.120 --> 04:17:30.040 I will give you 12 knowledge for your cow, please. 04:17:30.840 --> 04:17:36.200 This one has pictures. I added classical literature pictures to it. 04:17:41.960 --> 04:17:46.120 Then you have the like illicit ones. Can we get some dirty Chaucer poems? 04:17:47.880 --> 04:17:52.040 This one has the pelvic bone structure. 04:17:52.040 --> 04:17:55.160 That's it. Knowledge of from when people were clean. 04:17:55.160 --> 04:17:57.480 I've got dentistry from 1805. 04:17:59.160 --> 04:18:00.840 Porn would probably be pretty big. 04:18:02.200 --> 04:18:05.800 Yeah, here's the model that just came out. 04:18:08.760 --> 04:18:11.800 Oh, a 3D printer. Oh, 3D printer would be huge. 04:18:11.800 --> 04:18:15.000 And a bunch of filament. You'd have to stock up filament. 04:18:15.000 --> 04:18:20.280 But there is that, I don't know how good it is, but I've seen those people that like shred the plastic bottles 04:18:20.280 --> 04:18:23.880 and make filament out of that. I don't know if it's good. We're doing a video on that. 04:18:23.880 --> 04:18:30.360 Oh, cool. Like what you can do with like both reclaimed 3D printer poops 04:18:30.360 --> 04:18:33.880 and also making things out of like other stuff. 04:18:33.880 --> 04:18:39.480 That's really cool. Yeah, one of the new guys is kind of exploring that. 04:18:39.480 --> 04:18:43.640 We're just kind of doing our typical LTT kind of shallow dive 04:18:43.640 --> 04:18:47.000 into all the kind of cool stuff that's going on in that space right now. 04:18:47.000 --> 04:18:47.800 It's going to be really good. 04:18:50.760 --> 04:18:55.080 What else? What else would there be? Yes, spools of filament become the new caps. 04:18:58.760 --> 04:19:03.720 How will the sock warranty work though? Ask Zandre B in this apocalypse. 04:19:03.720 --> 04:19:06.840 Yeah, dude. How have you not planned for this? It's in person. 04:19:06.840 --> 04:19:11.720 Do you not have a continuation plan for actual apocalypse? 04:19:11.720 --> 04:19:15.640 Not if I'm a raider. Trust me, bro, survive. 04:19:15.640 --> 04:19:23.640 It's pronounced raidist. I'm running through the waste and I step on a spike 04:19:23.640 --> 04:19:28.280 and we have to amputate my foot, but I wish to give my sock to someone else. 04:19:28.280 --> 04:19:31.640 You have no sock license that doesn't allow it to be transferred. 04:19:31.640 --> 04:19:33.560 And I want to get a new sock. 04:19:34.920 --> 04:19:35.640 How does this work? 04:19:38.040 --> 04:19:43.320 I think, whoops, what am I doing right now? How do I contact LTT Store support? 04:19:43.560 --> 04:19:45.560 Carrier Pigeon. Is it a bird calling? 04:19:48.040 --> 04:19:51.560 Yeah, how are we going to charge them? Otherwise, we'll lose our government. 04:19:58.040 --> 04:20:01.560 All right, I'm not ready to go prepper yet, but no. 04:20:02.840 --> 04:20:11.720 I have some very minor stuff. I bought a relatively small case of a new sock. 04:20:11.720 --> 04:20:19.000 Uh, MREs, but that wasn't even government collapse stuff. 04:20:19.000 --> 04:20:23.320 That was just like earthquake. What if the power's out for three days? 04:20:23.320 --> 04:20:27.320 Not smart. Yeah, I don't know. And there's like a little bit of water because there was, 04:20:29.000 --> 04:20:33.480 our building's been pretty okay for a while, but there was like a lot of problems for a long time. 04:20:33.480 --> 04:20:37.240 And there was a serious thing where like, if these levels of problems that we're having 04:20:37.240 --> 04:20:39.960 start splitting into electrical as well, 04:20:40.600 --> 04:20:47.400 like the food in the fridge is going to spoil, and then it would be kind of nice if we could exist at home 04:20:47.400 --> 04:20:54.760 and have food at that time. SJW5135 says LTT bug hope bag. 04:20:55.320 --> 04:20:57.000 Nice. That'd be kind of sick. 04:20:58.760 --> 04:21:01.400 It could have a spot for all the USB drives of knowledge. 04:21:02.440 --> 04:21:05.800 Yeah, like you've got that, uh, cell phone pocket in your, 04:21:05.800 --> 04:21:09.720 in your jacket. It's just got like a couple things for USB drives of Wikipedia. 04:21:10.200 --> 04:21:11.800 Oh, heck yeah. 04:21:13.400 --> 04:21:17.000 Um, all right. Our other topic that's left before after dark 04:21:17.000 --> 04:21:23.880 is what I'm doing this weekend. Yeah, what are you doing this weekend? I am finally getting my air brake certification. 04:21:23.880 --> 04:21:29.160 Oh, so you can drive the fire truck. Which will allow me to daily drive my fire truck 04:21:29.160 --> 04:21:34.840 that I purchased many moons ago. I can't wait till you park it in front of your neighbor's place. 04:21:35.000 --> 04:21:40.040 Didn't I hear that the service people were like upset 04:21:40.040 --> 04:21:43.400 because normally, you know, uh, it doesn't see six kilometers 04:21:43.400 --> 04:21:47.400 between regular services. Really? Something like that? 04:21:47.400 --> 04:21:50.840 Well, you had to go get serviced regularly. Oh, how regular? 04:21:50.840 --> 04:21:53.960 It's a, it's a fire truck. Well, yeah, it's fire. 04:21:53.960 --> 04:21:57.400 It's like yearly service, something like that has to be done. 04:21:57.400 --> 04:22:01.080 It's had like seven kilometers since that service. 04:22:01.080 --> 04:22:04.200 Oh, so they were upset about that? They were confused. 04:22:04.200 --> 04:22:06.440 Oh, I see. Yeah, it looks like parked. 04:22:07.720 --> 04:22:11.240 Okay, I understand. I thought it was like Dan was talking about the other way around. 04:22:11.240 --> 04:22:15.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I misinterpreted that. Oh, don't know. I thought you were saying it needs service every seven kilometers. 04:22:15.640 --> 04:22:19.720 I was like, no. No, that's so confusing. 04:22:19.720 --> 04:22:23.720 All right. I finally lost it. While you guys get started, I'm going to run to the washroom. 04:22:23.720 --> 04:22:28.600 Not having another one of these did not prevent that. He could have been hydrated the whole time. 04:22:28.600 --> 04:22:32.440 He could have. Damn it. I guess we're going into after dark then. 04:22:32.520 --> 04:22:35.720 Yes, you're. I have a couple in here for you. 04:22:35.720 --> 04:22:38.840 Moving on. That we can look at. 04:22:38.840 --> 04:22:45.960 Hooray. And then I keep opening the wrong app on my phone. 04:22:47.320 --> 04:22:49.800 After dark, Google search Luke. 04:22:50.440 --> 04:22:58.120 Question for Luke and maybe Linus. Oh, how do you see AI genuinely enhancing player experiences in games? 04:22:58.680 --> 04:23:02.280 And where could it start to go wrong as studios fall 04:23:02.280 --> 04:23:04.680 into the usual notification pattern? 04:23:06.760 --> 04:23:11.720 It's kind of tough because there's like, there's, there's been examples of how it could be used in single player games already. 04:23:11.720 --> 04:23:16.600 I mean, there's Skyrim mods, right? That have like AI followers. 04:23:16.600 --> 04:23:18.280 You could have AI Lydia or whatever. 04:23:20.680 --> 04:23:22.200 In my opinion, like. 04:23:24.200 --> 04:23:28.600 Playing something like Baldur's Gate. I don't think I even want that. 04:23:28.600 --> 04:23:31.960 I want the word by word tailored experience 04:23:31.960 --> 04:23:33.480 that they were able to deliver to me. 04:23:43.800 --> 04:23:46.040 Oh wait, they can even see it. Nothing happened. 04:23:49.800 --> 04:23:55.400 But yeah, I kind of want the tailored experience that they can give to me. I do think there will be scenarios where 04:23:58.280 --> 04:24:03.480 having the dynamicism of something like an AI follower thing would be great. 04:24:03.480 --> 04:24:07.800 Like I've had this vision for a squad combat game 04:24:08.600 --> 04:24:13.560 where you're like a squad leader to a certain degree. And you can communicate with your team 04:24:13.560 --> 04:24:19.240 through your microphone on your computer, but it's a single player game and they can communicate back. 04:24:19.800 --> 04:24:22.840 And it's not just simple commands like stack up. 04:24:23.560 --> 04:24:27.080 Like you could do more complicated things 04:24:27.080 --> 04:24:31.880 and they might actually be able to understand and react properly and converse with you 04:24:31.880 --> 04:24:33.960 and things like that. It could be very, very interesting. 04:24:35.320 --> 04:24:40.360 There are definitely opportunities where it could be really cool. I don't remember the second part of the question. 04:24:40.360 --> 04:24:45.800 There was two parts, I swear. Where can it start to go wrong if it falls into the usual digitification pattern? 04:24:45.800 --> 04:24:51.560 Oh yeah. A lot of those AI character mods for Skyrim are kind of junk. 04:24:53.320 --> 04:24:56.680 I think they, I mean, you've all conversed with AI 04:24:56.680 --> 04:25:00.200 for too long before. They can really lose the plot. They go weird. 04:25:00.200 --> 04:25:04.280 Yeah, it can get really weird. It can get really outside of the game. 04:25:05.880 --> 04:25:09.720 Yeah, I'd love to see it more in the like interacting 04:25:09.720 --> 04:25:13.160 with commands rather than like it being 04:25:13.960 --> 04:25:20.440 the intention for the story. Yeah, like I really like that squad combat idea, 04:25:20.440 --> 04:25:27.560 like I mentioned. But yeah, I don't think I want to be able to ask Lydia 04:25:27.560 --> 04:25:30.920 about quantum physics and have her be like, ah, yes! 04:25:32.440 --> 04:25:36.920 That thing that hasn't been invented. I can totally answer that for you. I know what toilet paper is. 04:25:36.920 --> 04:25:40.440 Yeah, and there's no real way with the current systems 04:25:40.440 --> 04:25:44.840 that we have to actually ensure that that's not going to become a problem. 04:25:46.360 --> 04:25:49.720 I can pretty much guarantee you 04:25:49.720 --> 04:25:51.080 that it will be a little bit whack. 04:25:53.320 --> 04:25:56.600 So I have a not answer, but at least a response 04:25:56.600 --> 04:25:59.560 on the whole, how are we handling people who move between Floatplane tiers? 04:26:00.440 --> 04:26:04.920 Sammy said this was an edge case we didn't consider. Colton and I will discuss on Thursday with a plan, 04:26:05.640 --> 04:26:08.040 but the focus will be to do what's best for the customer. 04:26:08.920 --> 04:26:13.400 So that's not an answer, that's not a commitment, but it is a attitude. 04:26:16.360 --> 04:26:18.040 Up next, and a dev change. 04:26:19.720 --> 04:26:26.440 Very cool. Hello. Have you found the refrigerant 04:26:26.440 --> 04:26:32.440 for your super cooler machine yet? If not, I have priced out how much it would cost for me. 04:26:32.440 --> 04:26:38.200 Licensed EPA 608 and buy it. 2600 for 10 pounds, 15 pounds your needs. 04:26:39.160 --> 04:26:44.680 Oh, interesting. I don't know that for sure, but Dan, can you mark that? 04:26:45.720 --> 04:26:49.640 And it's actually Elijah who is following up that project. 04:26:49.640 --> 04:26:52.600 I think we have a technician coming in next week 04:26:53.480 --> 04:26:58.200 to do an assessment of the machine. We managed to get in touch with the same guy 04:26:58.200 --> 04:27:02.920 who decommissioned it. Yeah, that's crazy. Which is pretty, pretty beneficial 04:27:02.920 --> 04:27:06.920 when it comes to machines of that sort of temperamentality 04:27:06.920 --> 04:27:14.040 and complexity. So he apparently said that when it was decommissioned, 04:27:14.920 --> 04:27:18.920 it was working. And considering how long it's been, 04:27:18.920 --> 04:27:22.120 it looks like it's in great shape from an initial just glance. 04:27:23.160 --> 04:27:25.960 As we dig deeper, we could find stuff, but yeah. 04:27:29.320 --> 04:27:32.680 I am hopeful that we will return it to working order. 04:27:33.720 --> 04:27:40.600 I am not very hopeful that it will serve us. 04:27:40.600 --> 04:27:44.520 Make any sense? Yep. We'll get to that later. 04:27:44.520 --> 04:27:46.680 We'll get to that in the video. Oh, I think there's even. 04:27:48.040 --> 04:27:52.760 Yeah, sure. All right. Next up. Good evening, Disneyland resort. 04:27:53.960 --> 04:27:58.680 I don't know what people try. In catching up with previous WAN shows, 04:27:58.680 --> 04:28:01.720 I've learned of Linus' love of Joseph 04:28:01.720 --> 04:28:08.040 and the amazing Technicolor green coat. There was red and yellow and green and orange and violet 04:28:08.040 --> 04:28:11.400 and pink and night camp. He cannot. 04:28:11.400 --> 04:28:14.440 Was that accurate up till there? The very beginning was. Nice. 04:28:14.440 --> 04:28:19.240 Linus, can you name all the colors in order? He could not. Because it starts to have a whole bunch of like other ones, 04:28:19.240 --> 04:28:26.360 like ochre and like coat colors in order song lyrics. 04:28:26.360 --> 04:28:30.360 Hold on. Red and yellow and green and brown. 04:28:30.360 --> 04:28:33.560 Oh, no, I was totally wrong. I thought the first three. Did I say red, yellow, green? 04:28:34.200 --> 04:28:38.840 Right. And yellow and green. Yeah, I think I got that. And brown and scarlet and black and ochre and peach 04:28:38.840 --> 04:28:43.160 and ruby and olive and violet and fawn and lilac and gold and chocolate and cream and crimson and silver and rose 04:28:43.160 --> 04:28:46.840 as your lemon, gray, purple, white, pink, orange and blue. 04:28:46.840 --> 04:28:49.800 Apparently. That is obscene. 04:28:53.080 --> 04:28:56.280 Nice. Nice. Cool coat. Heck yeah. 04:28:56.280 --> 04:29:00.920 Such a great musical. Howdy, DLL and chat. 04:29:00.920 --> 04:29:03.960 Now that the holidays are upon us, what are some of y'all's 04:29:03.960 --> 04:29:08.600 family holiday family traditions that are specifically yours 04:29:08.600 --> 04:29:13.000 that no other friends or family do? Thanks and happy holidays, y'all. 04:29:18.600 --> 04:29:22.760 I've kind of won. I don't know if this counts because I don't know that no one else does it. 04:29:23.400 --> 04:29:29.400 But we are on purpose, extremely slow doing presents. 04:29:29.400 --> 04:29:32.440 Like very much on purpose. 04:29:32.440 --> 04:29:35.480 You essentially generally go, you go one person at a time 04:29:35.480 --> 04:29:39.800 unless there's mirror gifts. Like if people are receiving the same thing, 04:29:39.800 --> 04:29:43.160 they receive them at the same time. But other than that, you go one person at a time. 04:29:43.160 --> 04:29:44.520 The idea is that they open it. 04:29:46.840 --> 04:29:51.880 There's often like an opportunity for the person who gave the gift to like talk about it or why they might have 04:29:51.880 --> 04:29:55.880 thought it was good for them or whatever. That's not a pressure. They'll like pass it around. 04:29:55.880 --> 04:29:59.800 People can check it out. You like experience it for a moment and then you move on 04:29:59.800 --> 04:30:03.640 to the next one. It's not the like frenzy, open up everything super fast. 04:30:03.640 --> 04:30:07.640 There's none of that. There's often, even selecting it, like it'll often be, 04:30:09.720 --> 04:30:14.200 you know, you're not allowed to pick one that you gave someone. You're not allowed to pick something for yourself 04:30:14.200 --> 04:30:18.280 and you can go up and pick it. But now that there's little ones, like we try to get them 04:30:18.280 --> 04:30:23.640 to do it. In the past, we'd try to get like Chloe, the dog to like, 04:30:23.640 --> 04:30:27.880 and mom tried to train her to like go grab presents. That sounds like such a year mom thing to do. 04:30:27.880 --> 04:30:33.320 Yeah. And yeah, it's like a whole thing. 04:30:33.320 --> 04:30:34.120 It takes all day. 04:30:37.240 --> 04:30:37.800 But it's cool. 04:30:45.960 --> 04:30:48.920 I like it a lot personally. It is a very defended tradition. 04:30:49.480 --> 04:30:51.400 Dumb question. You're on speaker on WAN Show. 04:30:53.400 --> 04:30:56.920 That's not a question. What are some of y'alls? Nice. 04:30:56.920 --> 04:31:01.400 What are some of y'alls family holiday traditions that are specifically yours and no other friends 04:31:01.400 --> 04:31:06.040 and family do? Do we really like have a lot of like traditions? 04:31:06.040 --> 04:31:08.760 I don't really feel like we do. I'm kind of at a loss here. 04:31:09.560 --> 04:31:13.160 Well, we put up those Christmas lights all around our family room. 04:31:13.160 --> 04:31:17.320 I don't think most people do that. I don't think putting up Christmas lights is a... Well, no, no. 04:31:17.320 --> 04:31:23.400 Like that is a very normal thing to put on your roof or like on a Christmas tree, but decorating the couch 04:31:23.400 --> 04:31:25.640 and the fireplace with Christmas lights is kind of different. 04:31:27.080 --> 04:31:30.120 Yeah. I don't know if it is. Okay. Fireplace. No couch. 04:31:30.120 --> 04:31:33.880 Kind of weird. Okay. Well, okay. Fireplace super normal couch. 04:31:33.880 --> 04:31:36.840 I do always put them on the couch. Couch is not okay. 04:31:37.560 --> 04:31:40.440 So, well, I can explain why. 04:31:41.960 --> 04:31:45.000 So one of the things that was really cool for me as a kid, 04:31:45.000 --> 04:31:50.360 even once I knew that Santa wasn't real, is that my parents would deck out the living room. 04:31:51.320 --> 04:31:53.880 So Santa didn't just leave presents for our family. 04:31:54.520 --> 04:31:56.360 Santa also decorated our living room. 04:31:57.960 --> 04:32:01.080 So we will put up our tree, 04:32:01.080 --> 04:32:05.080 which often isn't even in our living room. Right now it goes in just our foyer. 04:32:05.080 --> 04:32:10.120 So when you walk in, there's like a Christmas tree. But we don't do like Christmas morning there. 04:32:10.120 --> 04:32:12.920 So we don't do our gift exchange there. So we don't have... 04:32:14.920 --> 04:32:20.520 So that's in the living room. So before the kids or after the kids go to bed, 04:32:21.160 --> 04:32:23.560 we'll do like the usual normal stuff. So we do... 04:32:24.200 --> 04:32:29.240 Sometimes we forget to do the plate with the cookies and the carrots or whatever for the reindeer. 04:32:30.440 --> 04:32:34.040 But what we've always consistently remembered to do is the note 04:32:34.040 --> 04:32:37.640 and then also Santa puts up a bunch of Christmas lights 04:32:37.640 --> 04:32:43.800 in our living room. So that when you come into the room, it's like very Christmas in that room 04:32:43.800 --> 04:32:47.240 and it wasn't when you went to bed. So I guess that's kind of different. 04:32:47.240 --> 04:32:50.040 Yeah, I didn't really think of that. That's cool. That's nice. Yeah, I like that. 04:32:52.280 --> 04:32:57.160 Yeah. You always wanted it to be like magical feeling when they walked in. 04:32:57.720 --> 04:32:57.960 Yeah. 04:33:01.640 --> 04:33:04.760 Yeah, I can't really think of anything else. Now I get an apology, right? 04:33:04.760 --> 04:33:08.200 Because you said no. I said no to what? It was special. 04:33:09.160 --> 04:33:14.840 You said that wasn't special. You said I was wrong. Well, no, I just mean... 04:33:14.840 --> 04:33:19.800 I called your tradition weird, which makes it unique. 04:33:19.800 --> 04:33:23.480 Okay. Well, I mean, I just don't think nobody else does that. Surely somebody else. 04:33:23.480 --> 04:33:26.920 Surely somebody else does that. I googled Christmas lights on couch. 04:33:26.920 --> 04:33:32.440 Zero results. Okay, thank you for that, Dan. I even looked up Whoville living rooms and Whoville couches 04:33:32.440 --> 04:33:36.040 and not even they did Christmas lights on the couch. You are unique. 04:33:36.680 --> 04:33:39.800 All right, I'm officially a snowflake. Okay, thanks for thinking of that, Vaughn. 04:33:40.920 --> 04:33:45.480 Okay, see you tonight. No apologies, though. Oh, yes, I'm very sorry. 04:33:45.480 --> 04:33:49.640 Well, I mean, it was, it ended up being my thing that I called not special. 04:33:49.640 --> 04:33:51.000 So it's not like I dissed her. 04:33:52.920 --> 04:33:56.920 Oh my gosh. But I'm sorry. How about this? I'm sorry for disagreeing with you. 04:33:57.640 --> 04:34:01.480 Wow. I'm sorry, you got your feelings. 04:34:01.480 --> 04:34:04.840 I'll see you in a bit and I'll see the couch too. Bye. Yeah, I think you will. 04:34:04.840 --> 04:34:07.560 Can you put some Christmas lights on it for me? All right, Vance, whatever. 04:34:08.360 --> 04:34:10.280 Up next, different vans. 04:34:11.720 --> 04:34:16.600 How about another one? Yeah, hit me. 04:34:16.600 --> 04:34:20.840 Wrapped up my first internship and realized for the first time 04:34:20.840 --> 04:34:26.680 that quote-unquote being a good employee is a skill you need to learn and isn't taught in school. 04:34:26.680 --> 04:34:29.400 Other than the basics, how do I be a good employee? 04:34:36.280 --> 04:34:39.720 I feel like this will always come across 04:34:39.720 --> 04:34:44.360 kind of abrasive coming from me because it's been 14 years since I've been an employee. 04:34:46.120 --> 04:34:53.640 I feel like this is one of those ones where I obviously have thoughts on what I felt made me a good employee. 04:34:53.640 --> 04:34:58.600 You know, when I was at NCIX, I obviously have thoughts on what makes a good employee here. 04:35:01.880 --> 04:35:05.000 I think there's a lot of different ways that you can approach this. 04:35:05.000 --> 04:35:09.000 I think you can approach it from like an attitude and culture and fit standpoint. 04:35:09.960 --> 04:35:12.280 I think that you can get away with a lot 04:35:13.000 --> 04:35:17.080 in terms of financial value that you bring to a business. 04:35:17.080 --> 04:35:22.520 If you just bring a super can-to attitude and you make the place a great place 04:35:22.520 --> 04:35:26.280 to work for other members of the team, I think in the same way, 04:35:26.280 --> 04:35:28.840 you can get away with being kind of a dour shithead 04:35:29.800 --> 04:35:33.080 if you deliver huge financial gains for the company. 04:35:35.080 --> 04:35:38.200 But in terms of skills that you need to learn 04:35:38.280 --> 04:35:43.400 that aren't taught in school, like I don't know, how do you be a good employee? 04:35:46.680 --> 04:35:50.600 Yeah, okay, Pancras is in the chat. He says, give a crap about what you do. 04:35:50.600 --> 04:35:54.280 Yeah. I mean, that's a lot of it. That's, oh, God, that's you. 04:35:54.280 --> 04:35:57.880 The culture side is like almost most important, in my opinion. 04:35:57.880 --> 04:36:02.360 You can be extremely good at something, but if you're like a toxic dour shithead, 04:36:02.360 --> 04:36:06.680 no one's going to want to work with you and then you're going to end up creating a space that is bad 04:36:06.680 --> 04:36:08.920 and is not very productive and doesn't work very well. 04:36:10.440 --> 04:36:14.600 So that doesn't mean don't speak up. 04:36:14.600 --> 04:36:21.560 This conversation often gets conflated. You should absolutely speak up when the time is right. 04:36:21.560 --> 04:36:25.320 If something is bad, you should bring it up. 04:36:25.320 --> 04:36:29.160 Ideally, you bring it up and raise potential solutions, 04:36:29.160 --> 04:36:30.840 even if you don't necessarily think they're going to happen. 04:36:32.200 --> 04:36:36.440 Even if you don't necessarily think they're possible, just show that you cared enough to try to think about 04:36:37.000 --> 04:36:40.760 helping to solve the problem. 04:36:40.760 --> 04:36:43.560 And if you do have a really good solution, then even better. 04:36:45.160 --> 04:36:49.000 But if you just complain all the time 04:36:49.000 --> 04:36:51.320 and are a downer to like be around, 04:36:55.160 --> 04:37:00.440 that's not helpful. I mean, it's a lot of the things that make you a good person 04:37:00.440 --> 04:37:05.640 to be around ever. Yeah. Yeah, honestly, it's exactly the same skills. 04:37:05.640 --> 04:37:09.720 I'd say being a good employee is the same as being a good friend, 04:37:09.720 --> 04:37:13.000 is the same as being a good spouse, is the same as being a good parent, 04:37:13.000 --> 04:37:17.480 is the same as being a good boss. And I think that's true if the person you're working for 04:37:17.480 --> 04:37:22.280 isn't a dinkhole as well. Yeah, that's a major factor. It takes two to tango. 04:37:22.280 --> 04:37:24.520 And I mean that in both a positive and a negative way. 04:37:25.320 --> 04:37:30.280 It takes two people to have a conflict and it takes two people to have a harmonious relationship. 04:37:30.280 --> 04:37:36.840 If someone else is engaging in bad faith, then no amount of you being a positive contributing member of the team 04:37:36.840 --> 04:37:40.120 who cares about what you do and does all these things that we're saying, no amount of it is going to help 04:37:40.120 --> 04:37:45.480 and you just need to get the f*** out of there. Or a negative one. And sometimes, and sometimes honestly, 04:37:45.480 --> 04:37:48.520 that need to just get out is not even necessarily 04:37:48.520 --> 04:37:53.080 because the other person was a bad person. Sometimes people just are abrasive to each other. 04:37:53.080 --> 04:37:56.360 Or are incompatible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, we're not trying to- 04:37:56.360 --> 04:38:01.480 You might just not fit in that workspace. We're not trying to judge every situation here at all. 04:38:02.040 --> 04:38:07.320 Just kind of trying to- You asked for the basics. Yeah, and it effectively comes down to like 04:38:08.360 --> 04:38:11.960 be good in the relationship or exit. 04:38:12.520 --> 04:38:17.480 Yeah. This one is mostly for Linus. Does your son regret choosing the Switch 2 04:38:17.480 --> 04:38:21.560 over any of the computer handhelds since the video? I asked him this two days ago. 04:38:23.240 --> 04:38:29.400 I asked like, hey, are you using your Switch 2 much? And he said, no, I actually have not been using it that much. 04:38:30.360 --> 04:38:34.040 Because part of the deal for this was to help him- 04:38:34.040 --> 04:38:37.160 Like part of the idea was that it was a gift, obviously, 04:38:37.160 --> 04:38:40.760 very extravagant gift. Very learning moment. Privileged gift. 04:38:41.320 --> 04:38:45.240 But I also think that even in the context of a gift, 04:38:45.240 --> 04:38:48.040 you can still learn lessons about money management. 04:38:48.840 --> 04:38:54.840 And what I offered him was a choice of like a hype device, 04:38:54.840 --> 04:38:59.320 knowing that there's going to be an overtime cost associated with it, 04:38:59.320 --> 04:39:05.400 a very expensive first party titles, or the uncertain device that at the time, 04:39:05.400 --> 04:39:10.040 the ROGX Box Alli-X was not announced even yet, 04:39:10.040 --> 04:39:13.800 or sort of the devil you know, which is actually more expensive up front, 04:39:13.800 --> 04:39:18.200 but that's my burden, but you'll have more affordable games. 04:39:18.200 --> 04:39:22.600 But these are games that you could have just played on your desktop PC anyway. So he had kind of these three choices. 04:39:22.600 --> 04:39:26.280 And so I resolved, 04:39:26.280 --> 04:39:29.800 when he made the choice of the Switch 2, that I wasn't going to buy games for him. 04:39:29.800 --> 04:39:34.840 So he has Mario Kart, and he has Remastered, 04:39:34.840 --> 04:39:37.960 Breath of the Wild, and Tears of the Kingdom, because I wanted those for myself, 04:39:37.960 --> 04:39:39.880 even though I haven't ended up really like playing any of them. 04:39:41.000 --> 04:39:44.200 But other than that, I'm not just going to run out and buy games for it. 04:39:44.200 --> 04:39:45.800 And so we own Aces. 04:39:48.280 --> 04:39:52.040 We own whatever the fitness one is, Ring Fit. 04:39:52.120 --> 04:39:55.880 We own Ring Fit Adventure. But other than that, 04:39:55.880 --> 04:40:01.880 so yeah, he can just play like some Switch games that we own, and then those three like Remastered and New Console titles. 04:40:02.440 --> 04:40:07.560 And so yeah, he hasn't really been using it. I didn't actually specifically ask him 04:40:07.560 --> 04:40:11.320 if he regretted it. He didn't bring that up on his own, 04:40:11.320 --> 04:40:13.240 but I do know that he hasn't been using the Switch too much. 04:40:16.920 --> 04:40:22.920 Hey, Dynast Duke and Dan. I recently purchased some somewhat large plastic bins 04:40:22.920 --> 04:40:26.200 and was surprised by the market price at the size. 04:40:26.200 --> 04:40:30.280 What is something you thought was inexpensive until you went to buy it? Oh my God, plastic bins. 04:40:31.320 --> 04:40:35.320 I was just going to say, Garbage cans? 04:40:35.320 --> 04:40:39.320 What the hell? What are you talking about? Why is it so freaking expensive? 04:40:41.160 --> 04:40:45.000 Garbage cans are nuts. I don't get it. 04:40:45.000 --> 04:40:49.560 When I became an adult, cheese. I had no idea how much utensils cost 04:40:49.560 --> 04:40:53.080 until the first time I bought them. I was just like, 04:40:53.080 --> 04:40:56.600 this is insane because I don't know that my family had ever bought them. 04:40:56.600 --> 04:40:59.720 We always just had a whole drawer of like mismatched random stuff. 04:40:59.720 --> 04:41:02.760 So when Yvonne and I moved out and were adulting 04:41:02.760 --> 04:41:06.120 for the first time, I wanted matching cutlery. That was just something that felt like 04:41:06.760 --> 04:41:11.240 a we've made it thing to have to me because I'd never had it in my entire life. 04:41:13.080 --> 04:41:16.440 I found out how much matching cutlery cost us the fuck. 04:41:17.240 --> 04:41:20.040 This is ridiculous. People are going to call me Jeep again. 04:41:20.680 --> 04:41:23.800 I've never done it. Yeah, I don't blame you. 04:41:24.600 --> 04:41:27.320 Even I can't, it's cheap. And those ones suck. 04:41:27.960 --> 04:41:31.240 Yeah. Like they're just, they're not like, it's like, what mouth is this for? 04:41:31.240 --> 04:41:34.440 Do Swedish mouths really look like this? Like I don't understand it. 04:41:34.440 --> 04:41:36.280 I get made fun of of my spoons. 04:41:38.200 --> 04:41:41.800 I, yeah, I remember the garbage can thing. 04:41:41.800 --> 04:41:43.960 I remember like Emma wanted to buy one. 04:41:44.840 --> 04:41:48.600 And I think I saw the price and like scoffed and was just like, ugh, 04:41:49.480 --> 04:41:52.920 she's not like valuing the dollar, you know? 04:41:52.920 --> 04:41:57.560 She hasn't shopped enough. And I went to go look into it. I went to like Canadian Tire or something to buy a garbage can. 04:41:57.560 --> 04:42:00.600 I just, I think I was there for like an hour. 04:42:00.600 --> 04:42:04.280 They have like half an aisle of garbage can options. 04:42:04.280 --> 04:42:07.400 My brain was just exploding. I was like, there's no way. 04:42:07.400 --> 04:42:11.000 It's like, this is insane. I must have done something wrong. 04:42:11.000 --> 04:42:14.120 Maybe I would, is this the wrong place? Let me look at stuff online. 04:42:14.120 --> 04:42:17.560 Like they put the can in the wrong spot. 04:42:17.560 --> 04:42:20.760 There's no, it's a garbage can. Why does it cost like $200? 04:42:20.760 --> 04:42:24.520 Am I in the lawn mower section? Did they swap them? What is happening right now? 04:42:24.520 --> 04:42:25.800 It just makes no sense. 04:42:28.760 --> 04:42:33.000 And it's, it's not like fancy. Yeah, like, and I don't think this, I don't know, 04:42:33.000 --> 04:42:37.960 but I don't think this is like a super fancy brand or anything as a Home Depot, all these different places. 04:42:37.960 --> 04:42:41.880 Simple human garbage can, $240. 04:42:43.000 --> 04:42:46.600 What are we talking about? It's a metal cube. Why? 04:42:46.600 --> 04:42:49.240 Oh my goodness, the pop-ups. Holy. 04:42:50.040 --> 04:42:52.440 Anyways. Tape is wildly expensive to me. 04:42:53.080 --> 04:42:56.120 Like masking tape. Okay. It's a roll of paper. 04:42:57.080 --> 04:43:00.440 Yeah. Like, have you seen how much a roll of masking tape costs? No. 04:43:00.440 --> 04:43:05.160 Yeah, it's like, I think last time I was at Home Depot it was like $7 or $8 or something like that. 04:43:05.720 --> 04:43:10.680 Like, what the heck? When I was running my painting business, they were like a buck 50, two bucks. 04:43:11.400 --> 04:43:12.680 Like, depending on the thickness. 04:43:15.400 --> 04:43:18.440 I feel like there's a lot of stuff that's like that these days, though. 04:43:18.440 --> 04:43:21.240 What are you guys talking about? What are people talking about? 04:43:22.040 --> 04:43:24.920 RAM. Yeah. Yeah, RAM. 04:43:26.200 --> 04:43:31.240 Definitely that. Might be cheaper to use it to buy your food at this point. 04:43:33.160 --> 04:43:35.720 Eat your food, Daniel. It's late. I'm sorry. 04:43:37.480 --> 04:43:47.000 Get some DDR4 and my spaghetti. Okay, so part of my problem is that I was not looking at bulk packs. 04:43:47.000 --> 04:43:50.280 So here you go. Here's like some painters blue, right? 04:43:51.000 --> 04:43:54.680 $10.37 each. What the fuck is going on here? 04:43:54.680 --> 04:44:02.120 That's actually pretty nice. You can get cheaper ones. Just like the horrible contractor grade like beige masking tape is cheap. 04:44:02.120 --> 04:44:07.320 But like the good stuff for like cutting paint lines is not. 04:44:08.280 --> 04:44:11.640 The cheaper green one in a bulk pack is still, what is this? 04:44:11.640 --> 04:44:14.520 A six pack for, so that's like still $4 each. 04:44:15.080 --> 04:44:20.040 Which is just, yeah, more than double what I used to pay for it back when I was a painter. 04:44:21.320 --> 04:44:26.120 Which I realized was sort of a hot minute ago. This is like old manuals at cloud's level at this point. 04:44:26.120 --> 04:44:30.280 But I mean, literally it was a merge message. Somebody asked. I'm not bringing it up out of nowhere. 04:44:30.280 --> 04:44:39.560 Hi, Lee Luton Da, Lee Luton Da. 04:44:41.000 --> 04:44:45.480 Thought song companies requiring all employees to learn about agentic AI. 04:44:45.480 --> 04:44:48.840 I get learning about the uses and risks of agentic AI. 04:44:48.840 --> 04:44:51.960 What about requiring all know how to develop one? 04:44:54.840 --> 04:44:58.280 Is anyone actually requiring anyone to know how to develop one? Never heard of that. 04:44:58.280 --> 04:45:04.440 That doesn't sound right. Requiring them to use it, I do, I have heard of. 04:45:05.960 --> 04:45:12.920 What about like maybe a little bit more loose terms, like setting one up to do an agent style task 04:45:12.920 --> 04:45:17.400 that they would have for their workflow. Oh, okay, I see what you mean. That sounds like you're just following up on training. 04:45:17.400 --> 04:45:26.360 Yeah, sounds like professional development. I think it's, I think that as long as they're not forced to actually use it, 04:45:26.360 --> 04:45:33.320 if it doesn't make sense for them, then that's probably fine. I mean, I don't really mind a company investing in professional development 04:45:33.320 --> 04:45:38.840 for the people who work there. And I don't see this as really any different from doing a workshop on, 04:45:38.840 --> 04:45:41.720 like getting along with different personality types or any other skill. 04:45:42.360 --> 04:45:43.720 I feel like I need more details. 04:45:46.760 --> 04:45:50.760 Hi, LLD. This is Chloe from Malaysia. 04:45:50.760 --> 04:45:55.160 I'm buying these for my boyfriend for Christmas. Nice. Question for Linus. 04:45:55.160 --> 04:45:59.560 Where is your family from originally? My boyfriend's last name is Sebastian too. 04:45:59.560 --> 04:46:03.560 Ah, okay. So I actually get into this. Oh, Dan, your boyfriend's getting some. 04:46:03.560 --> 04:46:07.640 Wow, you got a backpack? Oh, black silver shaft. 04:46:07.640 --> 04:46:11.000 Backpack, tech sack, and screwdriver. That's a pretty good Christmas. 04:46:11.000 --> 04:46:16.840 Hopefully he doesn't watch her as spoilers. Chloe from Malaysia who had anonymous as their name. 04:46:18.040 --> 04:46:22.440 Oh, yeah. What's up with that Chloe from Malaysia, whose boyfriend's last name is Sebastian? 04:46:22.440 --> 04:46:26.200 That's so specific. Maybe we should have said the stuff. 04:46:26.760 --> 04:46:31.160 I mean, she's the one who put it in there. 04:46:31.160 --> 04:46:34.440 I don't make the rules. No, I mean. We don't have their last name. 04:46:35.640 --> 04:46:38.760 Yeah. That's why it's anonymous. One last name. Yes. 04:46:39.640 --> 04:46:45.160 And they're not married, they're boyfriend, so presumably her last name is not Sebastian yet. 04:46:45.160 --> 04:46:49.160 They're going to have to keep them. Well, after they open their presents, it might be Chloe Sebastian. 04:46:49.160 --> 04:46:55.080 Yeah, sorry. Damn good presents. So we're actually going to cover this in the Linus Torvalds collab, 04:46:55.080 --> 04:47:00.120 but throughout the video, kind of like, you know, I like to point out things I have in common with Taylor Swift. 04:47:02.040 --> 04:47:05.240 So I played that game with Mr. Torvalds throughout our build. 04:47:06.520 --> 04:47:10.440 Things that we have in common is that at some point in our lives or other, 04:47:10.440 --> 04:47:16.680 we've been observed. We've observed that we have rather prominent human beaks. 04:47:18.200 --> 04:47:23.880 We both obviously have the name Linus. 04:47:24.600 --> 04:47:29.880 That was one. And also, we both have kind of bullshit made up last names. 04:47:31.000 --> 04:47:36.760 His last name is not like a real last name. A member of his family kind of arbitrarily assigned it to themself. 04:47:38.280 --> 04:47:42.120 And is that not where they all kind of came from? And that's where they all came. 04:47:42.120 --> 04:47:44.040 Well, oh, sure. I mean, at some point, but like, 04:47:46.360 --> 04:47:50.280 it's there's no like Iceland, Iceland actually has a structure for it. 04:47:51.240 --> 04:47:53.640 It's your dad's name plus son, I think. 04:47:54.680 --> 04:48:00.440 But like most places are pretty random. But you're a Lafrenier and there's like a lineage there. 04:48:00.440 --> 04:48:04.360 There's like, you have like, there's that. Sure. There's people named Lafrenier. 04:48:04.360 --> 04:48:08.120 And there is some, some probability that you are related to them in some way. 04:48:08.120 --> 04:48:14.520 Sure. Whereas with Torvalds, apparently it is a 100% I am related to this person 04:48:14.520 --> 04:48:17.560 because that lineage only goes back to like his grandparent. 04:48:18.120 --> 04:48:23.480 Oh, this is like very recent. Very recent. Okay, I understand. And then so mine is also, I don't know. 04:48:23.480 --> 04:48:32.040 It's also made up last name. My, my mom changed her last name as part of some sort of reasoning that she had for it. 04:48:32.040 --> 04:48:36.600 And then when she married my dad, he took her name actually. 04:48:38.360 --> 04:48:41.160 And so that name was passed to me. 04:48:42.200 --> 04:48:46.920 And so I am, I am a second generation Sebastian as a last name. 04:48:48.520 --> 04:48:55.000 So it has nothing to do with where my family's from originally. As for where my family's from originally, on the one side, 04:48:56.520 --> 04:49:02.120 Canada, Canadian mutt on that side, just, I don't know. 04:49:02.120 --> 04:49:06.920 I'm pretty sure that my great grandmother had a dowry that involved livestock. 04:49:08.520 --> 04:49:12.600 Nice. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I keep just, yeah, Canadian mix. 04:49:13.480 --> 04:49:16.760 There may be some Canadian like native in there somewhere, 04:49:16.760 --> 04:49:22.920 not enough for any kind of status or anything. Who knows, complete mix. 04:49:22.920 --> 04:49:29.240 And then the other side, and this is awkward, is I'm a quarter Russian and a quarter Ukrainian. 04:49:29.800 --> 04:49:33.400 So, nice. Yeah. So you have some internal conflict. Very, yeah. 04:49:34.120 --> 04:49:36.520 Half of me has been at war for the last few years. 04:49:38.200 --> 04:49:40.040 It's, it's, it's been rough. It's been rough. 04:49:45.160 --> 04:49:47.720 Up next. Hello, LDP. 04:49:49.800 --> 04:49:53.320 Sure. Thoughts on data center sprawl. Oh, hold on. 04:49:53.320 --> 04:49:58.680 Corey G asks, did Linus do a test kit? No. So everything that I just said might be complete nonsense, 04:49:58.680 --> 04:50:04.840 because I'm counting on my family to have told me, because there is no way that I would do one of those ancestry tests. 04:50:04.840 --> 04:50:08.600 Nice. Hello, LDP. 04:50:08.600 --> 04:50:14.760 Thoughts on the new data center sprawl. Just came back from Indiana helping the data center team there, 04:50:14.760 --> 04:50:19.720 and locals are not jazzed about giant data centers plopped in the middle of farmland. 04:50:19.720 --> 04:50:27.240 Understandable. Understandable. Uh, I don't, I don't understand how the, it's, it's so funny because there was a lot of like 04:50:27.800 --> 04:50:31.480 hand wringing over how electric vehicles were going to overburden the grid. 04:50:32.280 --> 04:50:37.320 But like this is, this is on a completely different level. 04:50:37.320 --> 04:50:41.800 And in some cases, like, like you said, like in the, in the middle of nowhere sometimes, because 04:50:42.360 --> 04:50:46.520 they're just looking for basically as far as I can tell anywhere where there's power. 04:50:46.520 --> 04:50:51.800 And then putting down these giant facilities that realistically don't employ that many people, 04:50:51.800 --> 04:50:57.400 which kind of blows, even though there's like, like high tech, you know, industry moving in. 04:50:59.320 --> 04:51:07.560 And then just like sucking up all the power. I, I, yeah, 100% or, or in some cases just like expelling emissions. 04:51:07.560 --> 04:51:17.800 Um, you know, I feel like, I feel like this, how I feel like taxes, you know, I, I pay my taxes. 04:51:19.960 --> 04:51:26.120 I pay a lot of taxes. I don't mind as long as that's being used for something useful. 04:51:26.760 --> 04:51:30.600 Like I, um, we have an AMD ultimate tech upgrade coming up. 04:51:30.600 --> 04:51:34.680 I don't, I don't, I don't know if we've talked about this, but one of, one of our team members 04:51:34.680 --> 04:51:38.840 was actually diagnosed with stage three cancer, uh, a little while ago. 04:51:39.480 --> 04:51:42.840 And, um, I shouldn't say a little while ago is quite a while ago now. 04:51:43.400 --> 04:51:53.720 And we finally got to do their AMD ultimate tech upgrade because they're finally back to work 04:51:53.720 --> 04:51:56.840 and feeling up to, you know, being on camera. 04:51:56.840 --> 04:52:03.720 And, uh, and it was, it was a really exciting, like really happy, um, AMD ultimate tech upgrade. 04:52:03.720 --> 04:52:10.760 And, um, you know, one of the, uh, one of the things that I take a lot of, you know, 04:52:10.760 --> 04:52:16.680 pride in, uh, both personally, and, uh, this, this may be very surprising to some of the people 04:52:16.680 --> 04:52:22.120 watching, um, who are from, you know, other parts of the world, but as a Canadian as well, 04:52:22.120 --> 04:52:26.520 something that I take a lot of national pride in is our socialized healthcare. 04:52:26.520 --> 04:52:31.720 It is not perfect. And that is the very first thing that I will say about it. 04:52:31.720 --> 04:52:36.760 I don't know of one that is, I don't know of any healthcare system that is perfect and neither is ours. 04:52:37.320 --> 04:52:43.160 But what I do know is that our team member was diagnosed with stage three cancer and was able 04:52:43.160 --> 04:52:47.640 to be treated without out of pocket expense for the most part. 04:52:48.200 --> 04:52:51.880 Um, and like, you know, there was some things, especially incidental things. 04:52:51.880 --> 04:52:57.560 And, and, you know, I also take great pride. Um, so he mentioned that, uh, and this is all on camera. 04:52:57.560 --> 04:53:01.560 This is all coming, uh, but he mentioned that there was like an anti nausea medication 04:53:01.560 --> 04:53:05.720 that was $50 a pill or something like that. 04:53:05.720 --> 04:53:08.920 And I was like, Oh, but like, sorry, was that out of pocket? 04:53:08.920 --> 04:53:12.760 And he goes, well, it was 90% covered by LMG's coverage. 04:53:12.760 --> 04:53:15.960 And I'm like, and I only needed like a dozen of them. 04:53:15.960 --> 04:53:20.760 And I was like, okay, okay, okay, okay. You know what, that's, that's good to know. So like, are there still costs? 04:53:21.400 --> 04:53:24.120 Yes. Let me repeat. 04:53:24.680 --> 04:53:26.200 I pay a lot of taxes. 04:53:27.720 --> 04:53:34.040 We pay for it all. But, you know, when I, when I see it in action, um, I don't mind that. 04:53:34.840 --> 04:53:37.960 I don't like to see it wasted. And a lot of it does get wasted. And there's a ton of that. 04:53:37.960 --> 04:53:43.080 Yeah. There's a ton of waste. And, and I, and I hate that. But also don't know of a system that doesn't have a ton of waste. 04:53:43.080 --> 04:53:48.760 Yeah. So I guess I have the same thoughts on data centers, right? Like if it's doing something really useful and benefiting humanity, 04:53:48.760 --> 04:53:52.840 we're doing aerodynamics research for a new generation of more efficient vehicles, 04:53:52.840 --> 04:53:55.720 or we're doing whatever, right? Like, sure, yeah, I'm super into it. 04:53:56.440 --> 04:53:59.560 We're, I don't know. We're generating seahorse emojis. 04:53:59.560 --> 04:54:02.600 I, I guess I'm not as, I'm not as jazzed on what they're doing right now. 04:54:02.600 --> 04:54:06.280 No, dude. Yeah. So, yeah, dude. So my feelings are mixed. 04:54:06.280 --> 04:54:07.640 My feelings are mixed. Let's go. 04:54:12.360 --> 04:54:16.120 Honestly, how has Apple escaped prosecution? 04:54:16.680 --> 04:54:22.040 The browser locking alone with Safari on iOS fundamentally destroyed web apps for over a decade. 04:54:22.120 --> 04:54:27.240 They make 90s Microsoft look like petty shoplifters. 04:54:27.240 --> 04:54:30.680 There's a lot of that. Microsoft has a dollar sign in the middle of it, 04:54:30.680 --> 04:54:35.080 even though the S also kind of looks like a dollar sign. 04:54:35.080 --> 04:54:39.560 I don't know either. I, I haven't been able to figure it out. 04:54:39.560 --> 04:54:48.920 And it seems like I, like I felt like alongside many of you sort of like the emperor has no clothes for a long time. 04:54:48.920 --> 04:54:53.480 Like when the whole epic lawsuit thing happened, I was like, Oh yes, this is very obvious. 04:54:53.480 --> 04:54:57.800 Surely this will be very obvious to everyone that this is, this is antitrust. 04:54:57.800 --> 04:55:01.880 And this is non competitive behavior dive in front of the billionaire. 04:55:01.880 --> 04:55:06.120 People would do anything to shield the trillion dollar company from criticism. 04:55:06.120 --> 04:55:14.040 And I don't understand it. If something is bad when Microsoft does it, then it's bad when Apple does it. 04:55:14.040 --> 04:55:18.760 It's that simple. And we can't let our tribalism and our loyalties get in the way of that. 04:55:18.760 --> 04:55:24.280 But we do, we allow it. And I, I don't get it. 04:55:24.280 --> 04:55:26.440 I don't get it either. I'm sorry. I got nothing. 04:55:28.920 --> 04:55:34.840 I could use some more abrasion resistance slash ripstop stuff for hiking and fishing. 04:55:34.840 --> 04:55:38.200 Are there any Nyko fabric items in the works? 04:55:39.000 --> 04:55:44.120 I don't know what that is. Nyko, I'm a look it up. 04:55:44.120 --> 04:55:48.200 Just because I don't know the terminology doesn't necessarily mean we aren't doing anything with it. 04:55:49.160 --> 04:55:54.520 Okay. High performance lubricants. That's, that's a result. 04:55:56.280 --> 04:55:57.560 Nylon cotton. 04:55:59.320 --> 04:55:59.640 Oh. 04:56:03.560 --> 04:56:05.560 Not that I know of right now. 04:56:07.000 --> 04:56:10.600 Yeah. Let's go with a, let's go with a not that I know of right now. 04:56:10.600 --> 04:56:14.840 Sorry. But hey, enjoy your screensaver party shirt. 04:56:15.800 --> 04:56:19.320 G'day, L-D-I. 04:56:19.320 --> 04:56:21.960 I assume that's a lowercase l. It's an I. 04:56:24.280 --> 04:56:28.040 You can't prove it. I mean, I can do something. 04:56:30.520 --> 04:56:35.320 Yeah. Oh, you know what? No, I think I can. There's another L in here. I think I can, and I think I can analyze this. 04:56:35.320 --> 04:56:37.160 Hold on a second. You can. There's an L in thermal. 04:56:38.600 --> 04:56:40.760 Later on in the same sentence, you can see a lowercase l. 04:56:41.720 --> 04:56:43.880 That's not going to help us. Why? 04:56:44.840 --> 04:56:46.680 How's that going to help us? Because it looks the same. 04:56:48.040 --> 04:56:54.280 Well, yeah, but so does. The top height of the L and the D is higher, as far as I can tell. 04:56:54.280 --> 04:56:58.520 Hold on, I'm going to copy and paste it. No, no, you have to copy and paste it into Google Docs 04:56:58.520 --> 04:57:01.880 and then do the case change thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go. 04:57:01.880 --> 04:57:07.080 I put it in a font checker. It is a lowercase l. 04:57:07.080 --> 04:57:11.960 I called it. Look at you. He does words professionally. 04:57:11.960 --> 04:57:14.520 I believe that. I think I am the lowercase l. 04:57:15.640 --> 04:57:19.320 I assume because I'm small l. Sure. I think that was, I think that was the idea. 04:57:19.320 --> 04:57:25.720 Big l, D and small l. Currently working on a CubeSat thermal management systems 04:57:25.720 --> 04:57:27.000 for my degree. Wait, wait. 04:57:29.000 --> 04:57:32.680 How come he gets to be big D? I want to be big D. 04:57:33.640 --> 04:57:37.720 No. We all know. Because I don't have to be a little pee pee. We all know you're big D. 04:57:39.800 --> 04:57:44.600 No. Yeah. No, we don't. All right. Sorry, I was giving you a narcissist control. 04:57:46.920 --> 04:57:50.280 Currently working on a CubeSat thermal management systems for my degree. 04:57:50.280 --> 04:57:53.960 What do you see as a big challenge in tech progress? 04:57:53.960 --> 04:57:57.160 For example, transistor density size, 04:57:57.160 --> 04:57:59.960 thermal power requirements, et cetera. Yes. 04:58:03.160 --> 04:58:05.400 That's an annoying answer, but a very good one. 04:58:06.440 --> 04:58:14.520 Those are all big problems. I mean, transistor sizes have been, yet another video 04:58:14.520 --> 04:58:19.880 that we have coming is going to, it's going to be about how GPU prices 04:58:19.880 --> 04:58:23.000 are not NVIDIA's fault, at least not entirely. 04:58:23.560 --> 04:58:29.480 And it's going to be a piece on like, hey, yes, NVIDIA has 04:58:29.480 --> 04:58:33.240 contributed in these ways, but also, have you heard of a little 04:58:33.240 --> 04:58:39.960 company called TSMC? Here is what we can glean from publicly available information 04:58:39.960 --> 04:58:45.320 about how their actions have impacted NVIDIA's profitability 04:58:45.320 --> 04:58:51.720 and NVIDIA's costs. And if you thought that they were the big bad, well, guess what? 04:58:52.360 --> 04:58:58.760 You're wrong. Because there's another monopoly above them called ASML. 04:58:58.760 --> 04:59:02.040 Let's talk about them. It's going to be cool. 04:59:02.840 --> 04:59:03.480 Yeah, it'll be chill. 04:59:06.120 --> 04:59:09.000 Hello, DLL, question for Luke. 04:59:09.800 --> 04:59:13.240 If you couldn't keep any birds, would you keep any other pet? 04:59:14.040 --> 04:59:16.280 What do you think? How is this a, what? 04:59:18.440 --> 04:59:20.680 You're going to finally let us know? No, he wouldn't. 04:59:22.040 --> 04:59:25.240 He'd have a dog. Yeah. Only one? 04:59:26.360 --> 04:59:32.840 Oh, that's a good question. No, there's no way you'd do two dogs. What about two really small dogs that you could like, 04:59:33.400 --> 04:59:36.600 combine the little, he'd want a big dog. Good answer. 04:59:36.600 --> 04:59:39.640 I will continue working here. Okay, next merge message. 04:59:39.640 --> 04:59:41.160 Hello, Linus, Luke and Dan. 04:59:42.760 --> 04:59:46.360 I got my Wen hoodie today and I'm absolutely loving it. I can't. 04:59:46.360 --> 04:59:52.120 With HBC, I believe that's the Hudson's Bay Company in liquidation, 04:59:52.120 --> 04:59:56.920 would you be willing to license the HBC pattern for clothing and accessory products? 04:59:56.920 --> 04:59:59.400 There is no way I'd be able to afford it. 05:00:00.360 --> 05:00:03.720 There's no way. That trademark has to be like millions of millions of millions. 05:00:03.720 --> 05:00:07.400 I have been very, very lucky, very blessed. 05:00:07.400 --> 05:00:13.480 I've worked a lot and I've managed to, as Luke puts it, become quite wealthy. 05:00:15.640 --> 05:00:18.680 F***ing guy. He'll never forget that comment. 05:00:20.600 --> 05:00:23.960 I will never. You just like dropped that. 05:00:26.840 --> 05:00:30.040 However, in the grand scheme of things, 05:00:31.880 --> 05:00:40.600 I still come to work every day. I am not like a own global brand's level of... 05:00:40.600 --> 05:00:43.480 You can do that and be quite wealthy. I could do which? 05:00:44.680 --> 05:00:48.440 What you're describing? Oh, come to work every day? Not own global brands. 05:00:48.440 --> 05:00:51.400 Oh, yeah. No, that's true. There's this whole thing where like a lot of... But I'm not that level. 05:00:52.120 --> 05:00:57.480 Not even close to even being able to make any kind of reasonable offer. 05:00:57.480 --> 05:01:00.440 Like it's not even... Oh, yeah. That's a crazy thing. 05:01:01.320 --> 05:01:04.680 That might be difficult for non-Canadians to understand, but if you look it up, it's like a thing. 05:01:06.840 --> 05:01:10.840 What else can I say? There's this whole thing I heard about. I don't know if this is legit or not, 05:01:10.840 --> 05:01:14.680 but on average, the wealthiest person in middle-sized towns 05:01:14.680 --> 05:01:16.760 is the person who owns the concrete plant. 05:01:19.560 --> 05:01:24.360 Really? The concrete plant. Because oftentimes those places... 05:01:24.360 --> 05:01:28.760 It's like shoe metal too, right? Yeah, it's stuff like that. It's like local supplies for building. 05:01:29.240 --> 05:01:31.880 Because if you're in... Every building's got to have concrete. 05:01:32.840 --> 05:01:36.280 You can't ship it very far. Just the one company. 05:01:36.280 --> 05:01:39.480 Yeah, can't get it from China. You can't get it from the next day. 05:01:39.480 --> 05:01:42.920 So you can price gouge pretty hard, and if there's any interest in the town growing, 05:01:42.920 --> 05:01:47.720 then they're probably going to use you. They're going to use more concrete. And it goes into freaking everything. 05:01:47.720 --> 05:01:51.320 Yeah, and you already have to exist because you need to buy the aggregates 05:01:51.320 --> 05:01:55.320 in just obscene quantities of scale. Who's going to start up a concrete business 05:01:55.320 --> 05:01:58.520 and buy an entire train of rocks? Do you know? 05:01:58.840 --> 05:02:04.120 Right? Right, yeah. To be competitive. Yeah, the moat is just the sheer volume of stuff 05:02:04.120 --> 05:02:07.800 that you have to build. And then you will have pre-existing relationships now 05:02:07.800 --> 05:02:10.920 with everyone who builds things. Literally everyone. 05:02:10.920 --> 05:02:13.480 Yeah. And you can't keep it. It doesn't keep. 05:02:14.280 --> 05:02:16.440 You know, you got to make it and send it in a truck. 05:02:17.960 --> 05:02:21.400 Crazy. It's interesting. 05:02:21.400 --> 05:02:25.160 I think glass is another one. Like basically all like big building materials 05:02:25.160 --> 05:02:27.160 that shipping is super annoying for. 05:02:28.760 --> 05:02:30.760 Believe it or not, like Styrofoam. 05:02:33.560 --> 05:02:36.760 Unbelievably expensive ship just because it's large. 05:02:36.760 --> 05:02:39.880 PC Archive in Floatplane Chat says, 05:02:39.880 --> 05:02:43.720 I live by a concrete factory in southern Indiana in a tiny town. 05:02:45.000 --> 05:02:47.960 They have their own railroad. Exactly. 05:02:50.840 --> 05:02:54.120 I wasn't joking about buying a train of rocks. 05:02:54.120 --> 05:02:59.880 Yeah. Because it has to be specific rocks. That's why you can't like build skyscrapers in like Dubai 05:02:59.880 --> 05:03:03.320 very well because it's desert sand and it has to be river sand. 05:03:03.320 --> 05:03:07.480 Yeah, yeah. And like I need like a quarter inch clear crush. I think you mean blood sand. 05:03:08.200 --> 05:03:10.280 Yeah, sure. It's like a bleh. 05:03:11.320 --> 05:03:15.240 It's wild. And you got to grease palms for the illegal sand trade 05:03:15.960 --> 05:03:20.120 because they dig up rivers that they're not allowed to so that they can get the sand for the concrete. 05:03:20.120 --> 05:03:25.160 And there's like murder and stuff. Do you not know about this? No, it's crazy. No, blood sand is like not even a joke. 05:03:25.160 --> 05:03:29.800 Yeah. Why? This dude, there's a global shortage of sand. 05:03:30.520 --> 05:03:34.760 I have heard of that. And so there's like illegal sand mining. 05:03:35.720 --> 05:03:39.240 Because it's got to be like smooth. It can't be. 05:03:39.240 --> 05:03:44.760 No, no, it has to be jagged. It has to be jagged. It can't be rounded. The wind in the desert like smooths it out 05:03:44.760 --> 05:03:47.400 and so it just falls apart and it's useless. Yeah. 05:03:48.040 --> 05:03:50.840 Crazy. And it's expensive to make sand. 05:03:51.880 --> 05:03:55.160 Because concrete has to cost nothing. It's like, yes. 05:03:55.160 --> 05:03:59.240 It's wild because we need the volume of it that we need for construction is crazy. 05:04:00.360 --> 05:04:03.880 That's interesting. It's awesome. It's like logistics. 05:04:04.440 --> 05:04:07.480 That's what I kind of meant by like, you can still be immensely wealthy 05:04:07.480 --> 05:04:09.800 and apparently own a train and the tracks. 05:04:11.160 --> 05:04:13.800 And again, with like the sheet metal stuff too, you know. 05:04:15.400 --> 05:04:19.480 Sheep metal is a huge one. Yeah. 100% custom host at the time 05:04:19.480 --> 05:04:23.160 and you're not going to like ship it across states. Right. Yeah, ideally not. 05:04:23.160 --> 05:04:28.760 The Styrofoam one is interesting. I never thought about that, but it makes sense. So I did a case study of volume metric weight. 05:04:28.760 --> 05:04:32.200 I did a case study of anvils versus ping pong balls. 05:04:33.000 --> 05:04:37.240 And it's pretty traditional. Like if you're doing like train logistics case studies, 05:04:38.120 --> 05:04:40.520 which one is like people do. Yeah. Yeah. 05:04:41.800 --> 05:04:46.520 If you're going to school for it Linus. Yeah, just like someone would. 05:04:46.520 --> 05:04:50.840 Like someone would, yes. Volume versus weight, you know, 05:04:50.840 --> 05:04:53.720 Styrofoam blocks, ping pong balls, they don't really fit well together. 05:04:54.280 --> 05:04:59.320 They can take up an entire train car and they're kind of like not a very good thing to ship. 05:04:59.320 --> 05:05:02.840 And then same with the anvils. They're like unbelievably dense. Oh, wow. 05:05:02.840 --> 05:05:06.120 When am I going to get my tungsten cube kind of thing? You know. 05:05:06.120 --> 05:05:10.200 Yeah. Yeah. Same with sheet metal, same with like aggregates and stuff. 05:05:10.200 --> 05:05:13.960 Yeah. Oh, I remember noticing this was like many years ago. 05:05:13.960 --> 05:05:18.440 I remember being surprised how few power supplies there were in like a 40 foot container. 05:05:19.480 --> 05:05:23.160 And I was like, oh yeah. Right. Because they can't stack it all the way up 05:05:23.160 --> 05:05:26.280 because that would be they would just crush the stuff at the bottom. Yeah. Yep. 05:05:27.320 --> 05:05:31.480 And I mean, like that's why we were kind of talking about those plastic bins there earlier. 05:05:31.480 --> 05:05:34.520 Yeah. That's why they're so expensive. Yeah. Just because they're large. 05:05:35.960 --> 05:05:41.720 Just because you're shipping around mostly air. A garbage can. Mostly air, very expensive to ship air. 05:05:45.720 --> 05:05:52.520 I like transport. It's fun. We just need more extremely large format 3D printers. 05:05:52.520 --> 05:05:57.400 So I can then just print a garbage can. But what's your take on cis sport? 05:05:59.720 --> 05:06:03.080 And should they be separated? I'm just kidding. 05:06:03.080 --> 05:06:06.280 We're not, we're not, we're not doing that. He likes, he likes transport. 05:06:06.280 --> 05:06:08.520 Oh my god. I'm just moving on. 05:06:13.560 --> 05:06:17.640 Evil Fuzzy Bunny says no. When the Evil Fuzzy Bunny is telling you no, 05:06:17.640 --> 05:06:23.560 it's time to move on. I mean, I got to ding it, but like I don't want to. 05:06:24.360 --> 05:06:27.640 Oh yeah. That actively gave me a headache. Nice. 05:06:27.640 --> 05:06:30.840 Nice. Sick. All right. Next one. Crystal's yelling at me. 05:06:31.640 --> 05:06:33.640 Good. All the back. 05:06:34.920 --> 05:06:38.040 You said you were for how long? Good lord. Who knows? 05:06:38.040 --> 05:06:42.360 Why did you make the ranch so long? You said it's going to be a light one. 05:06:42.360 --> 05:06:46.120 I'm going to start screaming at you every single time. 05:06:48.520 --> 05:06:52.040 I'll take that one. That's fair enough. 05:06:54.040 --> 05:06:57.480 I mean, look, if my controversy is going to be five hours into the WAN Show, there's no, 05:06:57.480 --> 05:07:02.760 there's no way that anybody actually sees it anymore. It should be fine. There's only 8,000 people watching over on YouTube. 05:07:02.760 --> 05:07:07.720 You can clip YouTube videos. People don't seem to know this, which is very strange to me. 05:07:07.720 --> 05:07:11.640 Really? You can clip YouTube videos. Yeah. No, it shows up in my dashboard if people clip stuff. 05:07:11.640 --> 05:07:16.440 Yeah. I don't know why. I don't know why people don't know that, but I don't know. 05:07:16.440 --> 05:07:21.480 Whatever. I think they just, they just don't care. Because most of the controversial people used to be on Twitch 05:07:21.480 --> 05:07:24.600 and then now it's mostly like on kick and stuff, right? I don't know. 05:07:24.600 --> 05:07:27.640 Probably. Didn't that streamer get arrested? Yeah. 05:07:27.640 --> 05:07:30.680 Jack, whatever, Dordy? No idea. Dordy? Yep. 05:07:30.680 --> 05:07:33.080 Sure. Yeah. Yep. Wild. 05:07:34.120 --> 05:07:38.040 Very silly. Yeah. Didn't that, isn't that David Guy finally a suspect too? 05:07:38.040 --> 05:07:42.360 Speaking of just like famous people. No idea. Just like, yeah, yeah, the Tesla guy. 05:07:42.920 --> 05:07:46.040 Tragic. Okay. Well, not that he's a suspect. That's good. 05:07:46.040 --> 05:07:48.600 Right. Yeah. But the whole situation, very tragic. Sure. 05:07:49.640 --> 05:07:50.120 Next one. 05:07:53.480 --> 05:07:57.080 Hello, Wanda Tlil. I remember a few years, sorry for answering. 05:07:57.080 --> 05:08:01.560 Remember a few years ago when you had mentioned you were trying to move creator warehouse products 05:08:01.560 --> 05:08:05.320 to not use any plastic packaging? Was there any updates on that? 05:08:05.320 --> 05:08:10.840 Actually, it's been some progress. Yeah. Well, sort of one update that I have is I just got a bunch of 05:08:10.840 --> 05:08:15.880 shirts from the store and they're all in plastic bags. So thank you for reminding me to send an irate email. 05:08:17.400 --> 05:08:20.920 To be clear, there may be a very good reason. 05:08:21.480 --> 05:08:29.160 Not every supplier is able to source them and not every product is ultimately compatible with non-plastic bags. 05:08:29.160 --> 05:08:34.840 Like for instance, the backpack still to this day ships with an inflated plastic cushion in it. 05:08:34.840 --> 05:08:40.600 Because if we didn't put that there, then there would be so much loss in backpacks that we can sell due to them 05:08:40.600 --> 05:08:43.480 being crushed and deformed, which customers do not want. 05:08:44.040 --> 05:08:48.360 Which personally, I wish it weren't that way, but I can't change that customers aren't going to want it. 05:08:49.960 --> 05:08:52.840 That it would be more wasteful than if we just put bags in all of them. 05:08:53.880 --> 05:08:59.240 And then there's certain products that are going to sit on a ship for so long, out on the ocean for so long, 05:08:59.240 --> 05:09:03.560 that if we don't put a plastic bag on them, they will be damaged or degraded in some way. 05:09:03.560 --> 05:09:13.480 So there's no getting away from it completely. But I did think that our shirts were in glassy bags before, 05:09:13.480 --> 05:09:16.840 and I see them in plastic bags now, so I need to kind of figure out what's going on with that. 05:09:19.000 --> 05:09:24.840 Hi, LLD. How is the Corolla experiment with a comma 3x 05:09:24.840 --> 05:09:29.720 with open pilot going? As someone who drives almost a thousand kilometers a week, 05:09:29.720 --> 05:09:34.200 this technology fascinates me. Oh my God, that is so many kilometers. 05:09:35.960 --> 05:09:41.400 Can you imagine? Crap. I was making a joke to Riley earlier about walking to Toronto 05:09:42.440 --> 05:09:46.600 to get an answer for somebody who's off work at this time, 05:09:47.480 --> 05:09:49.560 and that's 5,000 kilometers. 05:09:50.520 --> 05:09:53.720 So, wait, 1,000 kilometers a week? 05:09:53.720 --> 05:09:59.800 That's not that much, is it? It feels like a lot. It feels a lot to me, I guess, but honestly, that's like, 05:10:00.520 --> 05:10:05.000 if it's 100 kilometers back and forth to Vancouver. 05:10:05.000 --> 05:10:10.520 50,000 a year, like, hold on a second. It's like standard for most people having a commute, right? 05:10:11.080 --> 05:10:14.680 Hold on, I'm not going to show screen. Sure would go off for me, but I do not drive much. 05:10:14.680 --> 05:10:20.280 100 kilometer commute, so that would be like commuting to Chilliwack and back every day, maybe more. 05:10:25.720 --> 05:10:32.120 So, my old commute to NCIX was 37 kilometers. 05:10:33.800 --> 05:10:40.600 Times two. Yeah, times two, which is 70 a day times seven days a week, 05:10:40.600 --> 05:10:45.400 is about 500 a week, and that wasn't like... That's assuming you're commuting to NCIX on the weekend. 05:10:46.200 --> 05:10:49.960 Oh, sorry, did I say seven? Well, I definitely drove around on the weekend. Like, I definitely went. 05:10:49.960 --> 05:10:54.760 So, yeah, I was doing like 500 a week. Did you drive as much on the... I could see it being yes. But that wasn't like the craziest commute. 05:10:54.760 --> 05:10:58.360 It was only about half, like 35 minutes or something like that. 05:10:58.360 --> 05:11:03.080 Like, people do longer commutes than that. I just mean like... People do longer commutes that aren't necessarily 05:11:03.080 --> 05:11:10.360 that much more distance. So, if I'm in Abbotsford, like say like downtown Abbotsford 05:11:10.360 --> 05:11:13.560 or Chilliwack, if I'm in Chilliwack and commuting 05:11:13.560 --> 05:11:16.600 to downtown Vancouver... Yeah, you'd easily do 1,000 kilometers a week. 05:11:16.600 --> 05:11:21.480 That is 200 kilometers a day, and that's 1,000 a week, 05:11:21.480 --> 05:11:25.960 so that's just like a long commute. Yeah, that's a long commute. That's a long commute, though. 05:11:25.960 --> 05:11:30.040 It's a fair bit of driving. That's true, that's true. It's doable, but that is a long commute. 05:11:30.040 --> 05:11:33.240 So, this person has to drive a lot. They have a long commute. 05:11:33.320 --> 05:11:40.280 Mixed bag. For the use case of like exactly what Dan said, 05:11:40.280 --> 05:11:44.200 you know, from Chilliwack to Vancouver and just like... Highway numbness. 05:11:44.200 --> 05:11:48.840 Highway numbness. Lots of it. Really great, sometimes. 05:11:49.880 --> 05:11:55.240 So, the previous software update that I was on was like freaking awesome. 05:11:56.280 --> 05:11:59.640 Like literally made my brain feel like I had more energy 05:12:00.200 --> 05:12:05.000 when I wasn't driving because I hadn't used so much of my limited energy every day 05:12:05.560 --> 05:12:10.440 thinking about things on driving on the highway. It was actually really, really fortunate timing 05:12:10.440 --> 05:12:16.280 because normally I don't do a ton of highway driving. I just like commute to work and go to badminton. 05:12:17.160 --> 05:12:20.520 But I just happened to have to go all the way out to Abbotsford 05:12:20.520 --> 05:12:26.840 for a volleyball game for my son. And then I just happened to have to go somewhere really far away for another reason. 05:12:26.840 --> 05:12:30.440 Then I happened to have to do it again. I was like, oh, this is actually great because I just switched to this thing 05:12:30.440 --> 05:12:33.320 and I really wanted to get some really solid impressions of it. 05:12:33.960 --> 05:12:37.800 And it was awesome. 05:12:37.800 --> 05:12:43.240 And then I got a new update. And lately, I haven't checked if there's a new one in the last few days. 05:12:43.240 --> 05:12:48.520 So maybe there's a new, new one. But the one that I had a week ago, I can't get it to go to full speed. 05:12:49.160 --> 05:12:52.520 So I'll set it to, I'll be in a 60 zone kilometers, 05:12:52.520 --> 05:12:57.000 which here in specifically the Vancouver area of British Columbia 05:12:57.000 --> 05:13:01.480 means that nobody drives 60. Everybody drives anywhere from 70 to 80. 05:13:03.560 --> 05:13:07.320 So I'll set it to like 70. And I'll be driving like 55. 05:13:08.120 --> 05:13:13.000 And people are like mad. And it won't accelerate anymore. 05:13:13.560 --> 05:13:16.920 When I'm in the experimental mode, which has red light recognition, 05:13:16.920 --> 05:13:20.440 in the non-experimental mode, the speed attainment is better, 05:13:20.440 --> 05:13:24.680 but it doesn't have red light recognition. So I just like, I can't have the best of both worlds 05:13:24.680 --> 05:13:28.840 that I had on the previous update. So what's cool about it is when it works well, 05:13:28.840 --> 05:13:33.800 it works like so well. It's like life changing if you drive that much when it's not, 05:13:33.800 --> 05:13:38.120 but you're at the mercy of software updates, just like any system like this. 05:13:38.120 --> 05:13:39.800 So it's been a mixed bag so far. 05:13:43.000 --> 05:13:46.760 Apparently after our video, we like wiped out all of their stock, by the way. 05:13:47.720 --> 05:13:52.040 Really? Yeah, I was chatting with the visitor that I had earlier this week 05:13:53.160 --> 05:13:57.080 who was chatting with someone from there apparently, or heard from someone. 05:13:58.520 --> 05:14:01.400 He joked with me because he's been LTT'd before. 05:14:02.440 --> 05:14:06.520 Like his site's been love-hugged and his stock has just been wiped out for months 05:14:06.520 --> 05:14:12.440 by stuff that we've done in the past. And apparently it happened with them is what I heard. 05:14:12.440 --> 05:14:16.600 That's pretty epic. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Just casual LTT things. 05:14:18.280 --> 05:14:22.600 Linus, did Linus make fun of you for nuking your PopOS install? 05:14:22.600 --> 05:14:26.760 And will you ever do another switching to Linux video series? No, he didn't at all. 05:14:26.760 --> 05:14:34.440 In fact, he fully acknowledged that Linux is quite breakable and imperfect, 05:14:34.440 --> 05:14:39.080 and he was very pragmatic and not defensive at all of Linux. 05:14:40.280 --> 05:14:42.280 Very cool. But remember, he's Linux kernel. 05:14:45.240 --> 05:14:47.880 Not major, not lieutenant. 05:14:49.560 --> 05:14:53.640 When you pause for so long, those are my favorite. 05:14:54.600 --> 05:14:58.520 And so he doesn't have an emotional attachment necessarily 05:14:58.520 --> 05:15:01.480 to the operating systems attached to the kernel. 05:15:03.160 --> 05:15:06.200 As for is it time? Yeah, it's absolutely time. It's time. 05:15:06.200 --> 05:15:09.800 I'm going to start with my living or my family room PC. 05:15:09.800 --> 05:15:14.360 So I'm building myself a steam machine before general availability of the steam machine, 05:15:14.360 --> 05:15:19.560 and we're going to go from there. I'm finally doing it. I'm building that steam machine, and I'm so excited. 05:15:19.560 --> 05:15:21.400 It's going to be my favorite computer, I think. 05:15:22.680 --> 05:15:26.520 Heck yeah. That's exciting. We've got a Floatplane one here. 05:15:26.520 --> 05:15:31.880 How many nines is Floatplane? How much would it take to add another nine? 05:15:31.880 --> 05:15:35.240 How much would you save if you dropped just one nine? 05:15:35.240 --> 05:15:40.440 Yeah, nine percent uptime. No, we're dropping one nine wouldn't put us to nine percent. 05:15:40.440 --> 05:15:42.760 I'm pretty sure we're pretty solid. Not even close. Yeah, we are. 05:15:43.960 --> 05:15:49.160 We used to track this. There was an era where it was very important to Linux. 05:15:50.200 --> 05:15:53.320 Well, there was an era where it used to go down more. That's true. 05:15:53.880 --> 05:15:56.760 It's not important to me because we have to be better than Cloudflare. 05:15:58.280 --> 05:16:02.280 Well, we got to the point where we were actually beating some extremely major platforms, 05:16:02.280 --> 05:16:09.160 and then stopped tracking it so much. But the team has done a fantastic job at increasing that, 05:16:09.160 --> 05:16:12.200 and then it stopped being something we cared about. 05:16:12.200 --> 05:16:17.720 Yeah, it's like my wife stopped tracking how often I can get it up once it was enough. 05:16:18.680 --> 05:16:22.120 We only had that tracker for a while. 05:16:22.120 --> 05:16:25.880 Is the marked success of it being enough like the kids running around? 05:16:27.240 --> 05:16:31.320 Anyways, yeah, and it's really strong right now. 05:16:31.320 --> 05:16:33.720 I should probably praise the team more for that more often. 05:16:34.840 --> 05:16:38.360 How many nines is it? I actually don't know anymore, but it's really good. 05:16:38.360 --> 05:16:42.040 How much would we save if we dropped a nine? We wouldn't. 05:16:42.680 --> 05:16:46.680 Yeah, I don't. Well, it would be down more. 05:16:47.160 --> 05:16:49.400 And that means you would save on bandwidth. 05:16:50.840 --> 05:16:56.440 So if we couldn't do most of the WAN shows on Flobling. 05:16:56.440 --> 05:17:01.640 The WAN Show specifically? We would save a lot of money by it being down. 05:17:01.640 --> 05:17:05.640 If we had a four-hour outage every Friday at like 5.30 p.m. 05:17:05.640 --> 05:17:10.760 Yeah, you can only do like a half hour right at the end. We would save a measurable amount of money. 05:17:10.760 --> 05:17:15.720 Oh no, Flobling went down after the pre-show. But yeah, for the most part, a lot of these services, 05:17:15.720 --> 05:17:18.760 this is one of the reasons, like tying back to the conversation earlier, 05:17:18.760 --> 05:17:22.280 like you don't buy a certain amount of nines from Cloudflare. 05:17:23.480 --> 05:17:26.360 You kind of do, but also like, but it's enough. 05:17:27.000 --> 05:17:31.000 You can't like scale it down. Yeah, you can't be like, I'd like a less reliable service, please. 05:17:31.000 --> 05:17:34.680 Yeah, like not really. Like it's their own reputation and their own personal pride, 05:17:34.680 --> 05:17:37.960 because they know that the s*** is going to roll up a hill if you have an outage. So. 05:17:37.960 --> 05:17:42.760 And there's a lot of like skill and ability from the team, but we can't make the team smaller. 05:17:42.760 --> 05:17:43.880 Trust me, don't try. 05:17:45.800 --> 05:17:51.320 So, yeah. It'd probably be harder to try and make something less reliable. 05:17:52.360 --> 05:17:57.480 No. Because there's a lot of stuff like on our team. 05:17:58.040 --> 05:18:03.560 Oh, my voice crack. Nice. There's a lot of stuff on our team that is obviously contributing towards it 05:18:03.560 --> 05:18:10.520 being much more stable. Yeah, I've seen some of the tools. It's like you don't even have to think about it and it just fixes itself. 05:18:10.520 --> 05:18:14.440 Jonathan's done some freaking wizardry, dude. The stuff that I've seen. 05:18:15.960 --> 05:18:17.160 If I ever get poached. 05:18:22.760 --> 05:18:26.120 It is a different company. So how did it, how did footballing work, Dan? I don't know. 05:18:28.920 --> 05:18:32.120 It looked cool though. I see what you mean. 05:18:33.960 --> 05:18:39.960 Yeah, there's some really sick stuff there. So like in the, within our control, there's obviously things we could do to make it worse. 05:18:41.240 --> 05:18:47.640 Got a couple more here. Hey Linus. Will the steam frame support lighthouse full body trackers 05:18:47.640 --> 05:18:54.600 when using the new wireless inside out headset? Basically, can it replace an index while keeping base station full body tracking? 05:18:54.600 --> 05:18:58.920 Hi, I am the developer of a tool called Space Calibrator. 05:18:58.920 --> 05:19:02.360 And I was watching this WAN Show video about the newly announced Valve hardware 05:19:02.360 --> 05:19:06.440 and saw you would like to try base station tracking with the steam frame once you had one in hand. 05:19:07.160 --> 05:19:12.360 I'd like to be able to get in contact with you. So you have a line of contact with the developer of Space Calibrator 05:19:12.360 --> 05:19:15.400 so that should you encounter issues while setting it up, I can provide guidance. 05:19:15.960 --> 05:19:20.280 Sick. Hell, yes. Hecky. So apparently there is a way to do it. 05:19:20.920 --> 05:19:27.800 Haven't tried it yet. Don't have a steam frame yet, but I'm in touch with Hecky and apparently they know. 05:19:27.800 --> 05:19:37.320 Heck yeah, Hecky. Heck yeah. Let's do it. Man, maybe don't get, do I, maybe I don't get the big screen beyond. 05:19:37.320 --> 05:19:41.720 I don't know what to do. I just, you can go to Luke's house and try them both. 05:19:41.720 --> 05:19:45.880 I was going to say, I'm almost certainly going to buy a frame. Or to my house and buy, and try them both. 05:19:46.920 --> 05:19:51.480 Yeah. Do you have the two? If only there was some way for you to have access to this hardware. 05:19:51.480 --> 05:19:54.680 That sounds like interacting with another person. Oh my god. 05:19:54.680 --> 05:19:56.680 Absolutely not. 05:19:59.080 --> 05:20:05.480 Yuck. Hey DLLL and L and Linus and Luke. 05:20:06.120 --> 05:20:11.480 What was the moment you knew that working with the other one was the right choice? 05:20:12.680 --> 05:20:17.560 There were times when I didn't feel like it was a choice, but it felt like the right thing to do. 05:20:22.920 --> 05:20:25.960 Like we've had our ups and downs, which we've talked about. 05:20:25.960 --> 05:20:29.800 Like we've been angry at each other. We've cried. 05:20:34.440 --> 05:20:38.760 I think if you have a 10 year relationship that was always easy, it probably wasn't that deep. 05:20:39.320 --> 05:20:45.000 I suspect that's true. You know, and it's also a lot more than 10 years at this point. 05:20:46.680 --> 05:20:52.680 Which is really weird to like even think about. We had a discussion recently that in not all that many years, 05:20:53.240 --> 05:20:57.160 we will have been working together for half of my lifespan. We're not there yet. 05:20:57.160 --> 05:21:00.840 There's some years to go. Yeah. But it's not as many years as you would think. 05:21:00.840 --> 05:21:05.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I wonder if I've been playing Minecraft more now 05:21:06.600 --> 05:21:10.600 for longer than I haven't been playing Minecraft. This is these types of things. 05:21:10.600 --> 05:21:13.800 They hurt my life. These questions I find very interesting. 05:21:13.800 --> 05:21:17.800 Yvonne and I crossed the threshold a while ago. Yep. 05:21:17.800 --> 05:21:21.080 And the weird part is when you realize that it's hard to remember not. 05:21:23.160 --> 05:21:27.960 Yeah. Like I remember when I used to talk about how I have had a ton of jobs. 05:21:29.240 --> 05:21:34.040 And now I don't say that anymore. I remember remembering. Because for my age it's no longer true. 05:21:34.040 --> 05:21:38.520 Things. Right. So it's gotten to the point where I don't really... 05:21:38.520 --> 05:21:43.960 You can't trust a member anymore when that's the case. Yes. I don't remember it. 05:21:44.520 --> 05:21:47.880 I remember the remembering of it. I have multiple things like that. 05:21:47.880 --> 05:21:51.800 Yeah. Yeah. When did we know? 05:21:51.800 --> 05:21:53.080 When did we know it was right? I don't know. 05:21:59.080 --> 05:22:00.440 It's been good for a long time. 05:22:02.600 --> 05:22:07.480 But also, you know, like we had a misunderstanding a couple of weeks ago. 05:22:08.680 --> 05:22:11.720 I thought I dealt with that pretty okay. No, no. Yeah, you did. No, no, no, you did. 05:22:11.720 --> 05:22:15.480 You did. Did you only scream a little? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Didn't scream at all. 05:22:15.480 --> 05:22:20.120 I think over time Luke and I have both gotten better at communicating in general. 05:22:20.120 --> 05:22:23.800 I think we've both gotten more... I think we've both become better listeners. 05:22:23.800 --> 05:22:28.440 I think that we've both reached a point where we understand each other a lot better. 05:22:28.440 --> 05:22:33.080 Like I think I got there first in terms of like living in Luke's head. 05:22:33.080 --> 05:22:39.400 But I think that he lives in my head in a really big way now too. 05:22:39.400 --> 05:22:44.200 So we kind of like... We have a pretty good idea of how to approach things with each other. 05:22:45.720 --> 05:22:47.320 And like what's going to set the other one... 05:22:48.840 --> 05:22:51.400 Make the other one bristle a little, you know? Like we... 05:22:52.280 --> 05:22:54.040 I don't know. Yeah, I'd say... 05:22:55.480 --> 05:23:02.520 I'm... This is kind of a cop-out answer. But I'd say that every day is a new realization that it's the right choice. 05:23:03.240 --> 05:23:06.280 And that's what makes it the right choice. Cute. 05:23:07.000 --> 05:23:10.920 Thanks. I thought you'd like that. I think there was like... 05:23:15.080 --> 05:23:17.160 Two major stages for me, I think. 05:23:18.520 --> 05:23:22.120 The Denny's Night, I've told that story like a million times, 05:23:22.120 --> 05:23:26.120 was a really big one for me. I can't even understate. 05:23:26.840 --> 05:23:32.200 That's so funny because like it's a funny memory for me and I totally remember it. 05:23:32.200 --> 05:23:34.440 Not just remembering, remember it. I remember that. 05:23:35.960 --> 05:23:40.840 But it was like... It wasn't like when I decided or anything. 05:23:40.840 --> 05:23:44.440 No, I think I was already pretty locked in, but there was a certain amount of like, 05:23:44.440 --> 05:23:47.880 yeah, we're actually going to f***ing do this. Right. That was like... 05:23:47.880 --> 05:23:52.040 And it doesn't matter and maybe we'll have to go back into the kitchen to get the plates. 05:23:53.480 --> 05:23:59.400 But like we're going to make this thing happen. There was a level of confidence that was instilled in that moment of like, 05:23:59.400 --> 05:24:02.600 things are going to get bad every now and then and we'll figure it out. 05:24:02.600 --> 05:24:08.040 And it was clear that we would both do weird stuff. 05:24:08.040 --> 05:24:10.680 Yes. To just get something done. Yeah. 05:24:11.720 --> 05:24:17.000 Yeah, for those of you not familiar with the story, Luke and I, I was driving him home because we had been, 05:24:17.000 --> 05:24:20.440 we'd stayed at work so long together getting NCI X Tech Tips films 05:24:20.440 --> 05:24:24.280 that the buses were no longer running. This was true many times. 05:24:24.280 --> 05:24:28.200 Yeah. But this one was pretty late. Yeah, it was like very late. 05:24:28.200 --> 05:24:37.240 I think it was like three, four in the morning. Something like that. And so I was driving him home and as one of us was like, 05:24:37.240 --> 05:24:40.280 we should get food because... Don't remember who, but yeah. 05:24:40.280 --> 05:24:47.640 I don't think we'd probably eaten. In a long time. And we ordered our food and the waitress fell asleep. 05:24:49.240 --> 05:24:53.400 And we could see that she was asleep and we could see that our food was up. 05:24:53.400 --> 05:24:58.840 And instead of waking her, we decided together to go and fetch the food and bring it to the table ourselves 05:24:58.840 --> 05:25:02.360 and not disturb her because she seemed like she needed the rest 05:25:02.360 --> 05:25:07.480 more than we needed her to go bring us our food. But I think it was just the moment of like, 05:25:07.480 --> 05:25:10.600 it's that late that even like Denny's is asleep. 05:25:10.600 --> 05:25:13.800 Yeah. Where it was like... All right. Yeah. 05:25:13.800 --> 05:25:28.520 I don't know, we're in this. And then there was another time where there was a very large amount of people 05:25:29.240 --> 05:25:32.840 that were relatively, not the most influential, 05:25:32.840 --> 05:25:38.280 but relatively influential in my life that were pushing me to like split and do my own thing. 05:25:39.320 --> 05:25:43.720 And it was tempting, but I like thought about it for a long time. 05:25:44.680 --> 05:25:51.080 And then was like, nah. And it wasn't long after that where it was you, me, and Yvonne in a car. 05:25:51.080 --> 05:25:55.160 I don't remember where we were going or what we were doing. But I told the guys like, I'm in. 05:25:56.120 --> 05:26:01.640 Don't worry about it. Basically. And those times were like very close to each other. 05:26:01.640 --> 05:26:05.080 Right. And that was where I was just like, all right, that's it. 05:26:05.080 --> 05:26:08.760 I had the deep thought. I had the external pushes. 05:26:09.320 --> 05:26:13.960 And I was like, nah. And then, yeah, there it is. 05:26:14.600 --> 05:26:26.120 Yeah. And I see no reason for us to rethink any of that at this point. 05:26:27.800 --> 05:26:36.120 Yeah, I really, we're very lucky actually in that sense because I, like a lot of stars 05:26:36.120 --> 05:26:39.480 had to align for us to kind of meet that early in our careers. 05:26:39.480 --> 05:26:43.240 And you can't take that for granted. 05:26:43.240 --> 05:26:48.440 Like I could have just as easily hired someone completely different right at the beginning 05:26:48.440 --> 05:26:52.520 that would have been a total sort of disaster. 05:26:54.120 --> 05:26:57.240 You know, Luke could have just as easily applied for a real job. 05:26:57.880 --> 05:27:01.480 Or it could have worked really well. And been stuck in somewhere dead end. 05:27:01.480 --> 05:27:08.040 Or who knows? Well, I, you know what? No. For you, maybe you could have been like colossally successful to another level. 05:27:08.840 --> 05:27:12.440 But for me, I don't think that that's the case. 05:27:12.440 --> 05:27:16.360 Like I'm not going to give you credit for the success of the company. 05:27:16.360 --> 05:27:25.960 But what I will say is that I, with fairly close to 100% certainty, would not have achieved 05:27:25.960 --> 05:27:29.320 better without you. That I can say. I can't say that about you. 05:27:29.320 --> 05:27:34.520 I think you might have achieved greater wealth or personal influence without me. 05:27:35.240 --> 05:27:41.800 There's some potential thoughts there. Like the, something that I've kind of tried to do the math on is like the other opportunity 05:27:41.800 --> 05:27:50.760 that I had at the time. If I went with that and then considering the like starting wage was twice as high or whatever. 05:27:50.760 --> 05:27:54.200 And then tracked how that might have progressed over time. 05:27:54.760 --> 05:27:57.960 And the fact that it was that much higher. So compounding. At the beginning compounding. 05:27:58.040 --> 05:28:02.280 Being able to get into housing earlier, whatever it was. 05:28:02.280 --> 05:28:10.040 Like there's certain things that might have been really nice about that. There's also like, there have been interesting, I haven't taken them, but interesting opportunities 05:28:10.040 --> 05:28:11.560 that have arisen, but. 05:28:13.800 --> 05:28:17.000 Which I'm not finding out about now. Like we talk about things. 05:28:17.000 --> 05:28:25.080 Yeah. Part of that has to be factored in that public persona is why people have found these things. 05:28:25.160 --> 05:28:31.240 It's not necessarily the public persona that has been attractive. And we wouldn't, you know, this ain't college basketball. 05:28:31.240 --> 05:28:33.800 You know, we're not asking people to work for exposure. 05:28:35.880 --> 05:28:40.760 But we also can't completely ignore it. There is significant benefits to it. 05:28:40.760 --> 05:28:48.680 In year 2025, having recognizability and a personal brand and a following is the difference 05:28:48.680 --> 05:28:54.520 between getting in front of someone for an interview and being filtered out by an AI hiring agent. 05:28:55.400 --> 05:28:59.320 For real though. So, yeah, I don't know. 05:28:59.320 --> 05:29:02.920 It's hard to. It's, it's, it's, I have no idea where it would end up. 05:29:02.920 --> 05:29:09.960 But I think I would have done okay. And like even, you know, and like, look, the thing is like, Luke and I have talked about this before. 05:29:09.960 --> 05:29:19.720 We may not work together forever. And if we don't, then we've committed to still be friends and not let that destroy the relationship. 05:29:19.720 --> 05:29:23.480 Right. We've, we've done a lot. We've seen the world together. We've, we've built something together. 05:29:23.480 --> 05:29:25.080 You can't, you can't undo that, right? 05:29:27.800 --> 05:29:34.680 And, and so, you know, one of the things we've talked about is that like, and right. 05:29:34.680 --> 05:29:40.200 And so something to consider is that that effect may not be done yet. 05:29:41.240 --> 05:29:46.600 That effect of the exposure of what you've built here and what you've done here and, 05:29:46.600 --> 05:29:50.200 you know, the audience and the recognition and the connections and everything. 05:29:51.080 --> 05:29:54.520 There could be another level of connection that could still be made. 05:29:54.520 --> 05:29:58.440 And there could be an offer someday that he couldn't say no to. 05:29:59.400 --> 05:30:03.320 And I would. It's unlikely I'm pretty all right with saying no to offers. 05:30:03.320 --> 05:30:12.200 I know, I know. But like there could be and, you know, I, I have committed that that would not be the end. 05:30:12.200 --> 05:30:18.440 Right. Like that's, I hope not. I really enjoy working with people that I enjoy working with, 05:30:18.440 --> 05:30:24.200 which sounds like a recursive sentence, but, but it's so true. 05:30:24.200 --> 05:30:29.560 It is legitimate though. It is life changing. You spend so many of your waking hours at work. 05:30:29.560 --> 05:30:33.880 Well, this is why so many of the questions that come in that are like, you know, there was that one earlier in the show, 05:30:33.880 --> 05:30:37.480 which was like, how do you be a good employee? Yeah, yeah. 05:30:37.480 --> 05:30:40.680 And it's like, man, like, don't be such a drag to work with. 05:30:40.680 --> 05:30:46.120 Like, honestly, getting to neutral is like 80, 90% of the battle. 05:30:46.520 --> 05:30:53.480 Um, it's actually amazing. And if you can inject positive energy into a room when you walk into it, wow. 05:30:55.320 --> 05:31:00.200 That's great, man. Yeah. Um, what was I going to say? 05:31:00.200 --> 05:31:03.800 There's, um, oh shoot. 05:31:04.840 --> 05:31:08.600 Oh, right. Yeah, I think the, the influence on the beginning thing, 05:31:08.600 --> 05:31:14.440 like the channel already existed. It was at around, if I remember correctly, it was at around 80,000 when I joined. 05:31:14.440 --> 05:31:17.480 Yeah. I don't know the exact number, but I was around there. 05:31:17.480 --> 05:31:22.840 Um, I think it might have been like 79, but I just think 80. 05:31:24.120 --> 05:31:27.640 By the time we split off, it was 200 and something, 250 or something. 05:31:27.640 --> 05:31:30.680 No, far less than you'd think. Oh. The, the, those badges. 05:31:31.240 --> 05:31:35.080 Yeah. I think they're a wait. Yes. No, you're right. You're right. No, I think it was 220 or so. 05:31:35.080 --> 05:31:39.720 Okay. Sure. Yeah. I thought it was 200 something. Yeah. And I think a lot of that was 05:31:40.680 --> 05:31:46.520 us together agreeing to try to do six or whatever it was back in the day. 05:31:46.520 --> 05:31:51.000 And then those crazy nights, making sure that we filmed enough videos to stuff the channel. 05:31:51.000 --> 05:31:54.120 I think we were doing daily already actually because my, 05:31:54.120 --> 05:31:57.160 No, I joined. Oh, maybe there was a gap there. There was a significant gap. 05:31:57.160 --> 05:32:04.840 Because I think I wasn't getting resources. There was a significant gap. Because I know that my bonus wouldn't be fulfilled unless I uploaded more than daily. 05:32:04.840 --> 05:32:09.080 More than daily. For LTD. Yeah. It was 45, I could do up to 45 a month if I recall. 05:32:09.720 --> 05:32:14.280 Correctly. So I would do videos unboxing a Toblerone bar that I got for Christmas. 05:32:14.280 --> 05:32:21.560 Like it was, it was sort of pathetic. Yeah. I know there was, I know there was a period of mass uploads when I joined it was not. 05:32:21.560 --> 05:32:25.720 Right. Okay. I don't remember, but I, I'm, I really don't remember. 05:32:25.720 --> 05:32:30.600 Some of this is remembering memories. Which is 15 years ago now. 05:32:30.600 --> 05:32:34.280 Yeah. So it's, we're getting into like dangerously long ago territory. 05:32:34.280 --> 05:32:41.000 Yes. I mean, there's, there's, I couldn't remember to put a warranty on my backpacks. 05:32:41.000 --> 05:32:41.640 So what do I know? 05:32:44.680 --> 05:32:47.800 You did eventually. Yeah. 05:32:47.800 --> 05:32:49.880 I don't know. It's been, it's been a time. 05:32:52.920 --> 05:32:58.200 All right. I've got one more for you here. Hit me. First time live buyer from Spain. 05:32:58.760 --> 05:33:03.720 I'm just doxing themselves today. Welcome. Kid decided to wake up at 6am. 05:33:03.800 --> 05:33:05.560 I'm sorry to hear that. So I'm here. 05:33:07.000 --> 05:33:10.440 Linus, so your kids still wake you up during the night? 05:33:10.440 --> 05:33:16.920 Give me hope. No, they don't. But it takes the discipline of putting them to bed in their own room 05:33:16.920 --> 05:33:21.720 and not letting them come crawl into your bed in the middle of the night. Unless they are very sick. 05:33:21.720 --> 05:33:28.440 I can count on both hands the number of times that a non-infant child has slept in our bed. 05:33:29.400 --> 05:33:33.240 It's just not a thing that my kids do. Our bed is our bed. 05:33:33.240 --> 05:33:36.600 And where we do our bed stuff. And I can't do that with a kid in it. 05:33:38.600 --> 05:33:39.720 You're not that kind of YouTuber. 05:33:41.960 --> 05:33:45.160 Okay. Thanks for watching. See you again next week. 05:33:45.160 --> 05:33:46.840 Same bad times. Same bad channel. 05:33:56.760 --> 05:33:57.560 Most of them.