We live on the pre-show? We're live on the pre-show?
I think we're live appreciates to that a lot. I think they have explicitly said they do not like it being upside down.
We just got to see if he's going to notice or not.
It's like the only thing he does. It's like anti-advertisement.
Yeah, you guys got to not mention it.
I need to make sure that Chad understands this.
If you tell him, he's going to notice. If you don't tell him, he probably won't notice.
Although knowing him, he might be the opposite of an advertisement.
Because it is an advertisement, he'll see a black hole on his chair and know that something's wrong.
Yeah. Oh, no, name. Silence brand.
Get some Sharpie and just redact it.
I know someone will buy a merge message to mention it. No, it's like, don't.
Archived. Yeah. Go ahead. It has to get through the Dan filter anyways. Get wrecked.
It's been hard to get purple Sharpies to you.
I had two people lined up to give some to you at Whaleland and you skip.
Sorry. I didn't. I didn't mean to. I really wanted to be at Whaleland.
I intend to be at the next one. I don't intend to skip any Whalelands.
I want to be at all them. It wasn't entirely my choice to not be there.
Get a custom head cushion that's symmetrical both ways up.
Part of their font works that way.
The E in the C. But a lot of the rest of it doesn't.
Loving the new hoodie and two combo.
Dude, are you talking about the like RGB Fleck one?
I don't remember what it's called. I don't know.
Knowing our naming of products, it might actually be called RGB Fleck.
The store's not loading.
Dan, does the store load for you? Checking.
Uh oh.
Okay. Is there any known any other?
Okay. Other people are loading it. Let's try a short.
Why can other people load it? Okay. Is there non Americans that can load it?
Oh, loads for me now. It loads for you now.
Global works. Let's try USA.
Yeah, it's fine now. What just happened?
It is working now. Okay.
Sure. But anyways, yeah, the RGB sweater.
I told this story. We're not advertising right now.
It's the pre-show, whatever. I don't know. I told this story, but it's actually very real.
Taren and I were at a YouTube event and he shows up and sits next to me.
I haven't actually seen him yet. I sat down before I met him.
He sits down next to me and he's wearing this, the RGB sweater.
And I thought it was just like a cool, nice,
I thought it was kind of YouTubey a little bit
because you had the, the RGB kind of going on,
which is similar to like, you know, the Chrome logo and all the Google logos out of the multicolors and stuff.
I thought he's trying to kind of be on brand slightly and stuff.
I was like, yeah, it's pretty nice. And then it was like that week's WAN Show, I think,
or maybe the week after that. I think it was a week after that.
I don't know. But we, we, we launched that sweater on the store
and I was like, what? That was ours.
That was funny. Is the new RGB sweater the same as the previous one?
I have no idea. What previous RGB sweater do we have?
I don't think we did one. We did our RGB shirts.
Yeah. Are you talking the long sleeve RGB shirt?
Because if you are, it is different.
Crew neck sweater. I'm not sure what you're talking about so much.
Sorry. No, I own an RGB sweater and a long sleeve and three T shirts
and your name's RGB. Damn, okay.
I don't remember the RGB sweater personally.
Sorry. I remember the shirts, the long sleeves and the short sleeves.
The long sleeve sweater. A hoodie?
Are you talking a hoodie? Was there a hoodie version?
Like a zip up hoodie? I have the zip up sweater.
Okay. I don't know if this is international language in,
in Canada. If it has a zipper,
especially if it also has a hood, you call it a hoodie.
Sweaters up here are generally when there's no zipper.
A jumper. A jumper, yeah.
And then we have the, the kangaroo ones.
I don't know. I think there was a hoodie, but not what I have.
It's a regular unzipped sweater. Same color as the black RGB shirts.
Well, I have no memory of this at all. All right.
We live? Yes.
Is it weird for them if I come through your mic?
Wait, let's go. What if I'm on Dan's mic?
Does that mess with everyone? Wait, did you turn on the cam?
There.
You got, you got rid of it. You turned it off.
That was probably perfect. That's okay. Stream decks are complicated.
They're complicated. This man hasn't had a computer in over a month.
He doesn't remember how they were. It's true.
I was telling someone that yesterday, that my, my longest streak since I was like seven
of not touching a desktop has continued because my work laptop these days,
my work computer these days is a laptop. On Wansho, I use a laptop.
And my work computer has just been the computer
that I use all the time. It's strange.
I don't like it. I actually don't like laptops more.
I thought that might have happened. Like maybe I'll get over my minor prejudice for laptops.
You need this laptop. Maybe I hate my laptop.
Strix Halo. The battery life on, whoa, I'm one-eared.
The battery life on my laptop is terrible.
The performance leaves a lot to be desired. Why am I one-eared?
What happened? I was not one-eared the whole time.
It just randomly happened.
Yeah, it's just, it's, it's not good.
No, I don't hate Dell. This is actually a really nice machine.
It's just that at least on Wansho. These are the laptops that I'm talking about.
Yeah. Yes.
No, these are actually super nice. These are, these are Lunar Lake, right?
I remember looking at them when we, these are super nice laptops.
You want to know the, one of the worst things about my current laptop?
And my current laptop is temporarily because my previous laptop is broken.
The function key is the bottom.
Why am I one-eared? Damn it, Dan.
It's Dan, it's Dan. It is definitely Dan's fault.
Can you talk into your mic Linus?
No, I've decided to take a vow of silence. Damn!
Okay. Yeah, it's still not working.
But yeah, my, my laptop's function key
is the bottom left hand corner key. So I do the standard muscle memory
of holding control for things and it doesn't work and it's crazy.
I do a lot of text editing in my line of work.
Look at where my page up and page down are. That's horrible.
Right next to my arrow keys. This, this is terrible
and no one should ever do that. Function up, function down.
That is how page up and page down works.
Yeah, that's totally fine. That's how it does work on this Dell.
I can probably remap it. Like I could, I'm sure there's a way to remap that.
I just haven't done it. Did this just like die?
Okay.
Oh, FreeBand says there's a UEFI setting
to switch function and control.
You should check. Even if that exists, which I hope it does
and I'll go look and I'll honestly, I'll do it right now.
It should have never been. Oh my.
Oh, I see. If that works. Yeah, that works.
Cool. Thanks, Dan. Yeah, sure.
Thanks, Dan. Function should never, ever in any universe
be bottom left hand corner. Be the most bottom left hand corner to be clear.
That should always be control. You should never mess with it.
Putting function over there is objectively wrong even if you have the option of the UEFI.
I'm not acknowledging this because they really shouldn't be doing it.
You did it. No, but I really want to now.
No.
All right, we should start the land show. Huh?
We're not acknowledging it. We're actually not acknowledging it.
Certain people are doing certain shenanigans.
They like YouTube videos from a long time ago. Those videos might have also been on other platforms,
like maybe Newgrounds or something.
And it's somebody saying like, I like and then something
and then a thing happens. I like turtles. Yeah, but it's like it's not Newgrounds,
but it's like a different one. Can you, can you not?
No, we really shouldn't be encouraging this.
I tried to tell you subtly.
I don't know what you're even talking about. I'm just trying to remember old videos.
You're such a dick.
Yeah.
I'm not encouraging anything. Just racking my memory.
Yeah.
Okay. What am I, what am I looking at here?
Oh yeah, this is the like blog post on the WAN hoodie.
That's cool. Oh, my fingers are so cold today.
I'm not going to be able to activate the heat,
the thermochromic jacket. Are your hands warm?
Not super, but they will probably still work. Nice.
Solid. Okay.
Should we do this thing? Yes.
Oh, Artie says we have a heat gun. Oh, so we do. Sick.
Thanks, Artie. Thanks, Artie.
Artie, you are the heat gun because you're fire.
Okay.
Oh, okay. Oh, I guess I can just resume the selected, right?
All right, let's do this thing.
Yeah, I don't care. Yes, the pink.
Oh yeah. No, sorry, I'll stop moving backwards.
You just got that dumb truck? You got that badonk, dude?
Oh, actually, that's a topic for the show today.
What I'm doing this weekend. We should make that cake.
I've already got the B550 check. Now I got the cake check.
We should meme on Linus's cake and make him a reversing beeper.
So at any time he backs up, it beeps. That would be so funny.
No, you shouldn't. That would be so funny, dude. That would be so unnecessary.
It would be hilarious. I think the word you're looking for is unnecessary.
That video would slap, dude. No, it would not.
Totally would. I am resuming the selected.
The shorts that could go along with that would be amazing.
The select is resumed. So you now you have to stop.
Oh, shoot. No, I'm not in the right page in the dashboard.
Oh, God, now I've lost the tab. Dan, I have no idea when we're live.
Oh, my God. Oh, God. Oh, God.
Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God.
Oh, God. Oh, God.
Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God.
Oh, God. Oh, God. Let's go live on Shortii circuit.
Just leave it up. And then just also turn on the LCD one.
We'll just stream to both.
No, we're not live on ShortCircuit. Oh, God.
All right, that's probably an old stream key or something probably
You know last time I did that was directly relating to
It's gonna be a good show it's gonna be a good show today. I'm tired. I have not slept a lot this week
So yeah, good luck everyone. Okay resuming the actual selected now nice
I
What is up everyone and welcome to the WAN Show we've got a
Fantastic show lined up for you with fantastic news
It turns out that in my haste to immerse myself in the Apple ecosystem. I overlooked one all-important detail
There is no reason left to buy an iPhone. Oh
RCS exists for people who were afraid of the color green in their bubbles and also in other news
Google announced yesterday that airdrop is coming to the pixel family
Huh, so you will actually be able to cross
Share files between pixel and iPhone users. We'll get into it more later
We'll get into it more later. Apparently there's some app where you can get all the features of AirPods on Android now, too
Yes, there is we were gonna talk about that later. No, it's over now and now you spoiled it
Speaking of things spoiled there's some drama in the pebble community. I actually have I
Got my pebble very recently and I got it in my back pack
It's on the verge of me being about to set it up. Sometimes it takes me a little while to switch over to new devices the point is
rebel The community that kept the original pebbles up and running for flipping
I don't know. What was it six years after Google discontinued it has some drama with the now?
Resurrected new pebble company, so we're gonna have to dig into that a little bit
What else we got this week Microsoft kills another Windows activation workaround while weathering backlash over recent agentic
OS push and at the same time that there has never been a better time in the history of
operating systems to try using Linux
also Another topic for sure another great topic
I highlighted one for you. I highlighted one that I'm legitimately excited about. Where's your now?
I gotta find it. Here it is. Oh
Tesla is poised to adopt Apple CarPlay
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Two things I don't use
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The secret Close we were so you're so good. Did you notice it in your thing or how did you even notice don't even worry about it?
I have my ways Why don't we jump right into our first topic today?
Which is of course the biggest news in the techosphere right now the fact that Google?
Just randomly on a Thursday dropped the news that airdrop is coming to the pixel 10 family
For the uninitiated airdrop is an Apple feature that allows people to quickly share files contacts and other media between Apple devices
Including sharing across different people not just the same user with multiple devices
So if Luke and I both had iPhones we could just touch our tips together
You know as friends are want to do yeah, I'm like normal as long as we have our settings configured and then we can just
Form a direct connection and send files to each other. It's really nice, especially for things like
ingesting video footage from an iPhone to a
Mac computer. Oh, yeah, did I mention it's not just phones you can go to iPads and other other Apple devices as well
now Android has had a competitor to this called quick share for
Quite a bit of time It's gotten some updates over the years to compete with the walled garden and you could kind of think of this as just an
Even fancier update, but it's it's kind of a bigger deal than that because whether you agree or disagree with the importance of
Things like you know iMessage FaceTime walled garden features like that
airdrop is something that many people do feel is extremely important awesome and
It's really cool. Our
Title for this topic is actually really funny. The timing for this was hilarious
I don't know if you saw this on Twitter, but literally a week ago Elijah was complaining about the same switch to iOS app
That I was having so much trouble with when I switched over to iPhone most recently
Okay, because he just bought an iPhone and the reason that he bought an iPhone literally
The reason was that he recently went to an event where he actually like straight up missed out on making important contacts
Making important connections because people were just like oh
Sharing my contact with you is more work than just touching my phone to yours. Yeah, I'm good
now the first thing I said to him was
I don't need the contact information of anyone who's that much of a head
I've also like but I've never heard of that nor seen it nor experienced it you don't travel in the same circles as
everyone else necessarily that
Event that he was at I have been to before and was invited to it is a different year today
And potentially a different generation of attendees by one a different generation of attendees was last year
No, I'm not I'm not talking in terms of generation of the event. I'm talking
I'm talking the age group of attendees. I might have been to the event, but not and hung out with boomers. Yeah
Yeah, that's possible So anyway, I am definitely the type of person to get to an event like that
Find the people that actually want to hang out with them and stand in a corner and just talk to them
Yeah, so I've been I've been teasing him
Actually a fair bit this week because right after he went through all the hassle of getting switched over to the iPhone
And he was like complaining to me about he's like Things so stupid, but I like I'm doing it because I just like really need airdrop like immediately
Google drop this news and I was like ha ha No, I mean meanwhile
I'm actually dailying the iPhone Air anyway just because I you know
It's my it's my it's my job to kind of know both of them actually have a lot of notes from this time around Iowa dude
iOS 26 is like Kind of terrible. I I just mean in terms of like buggy
I've heard in in to you know in iOS's defense. I've heard bad things about the pixel
They're saying this is a pixel 10 thing that's coming right quick share I've heard negative things about the pixel 10 as well. I have had I had I honestly my pixel 9a was
Extremely buggy out of the gate. Oh, I don't really I've generally heard good things about pixel 9 the 9a is the budget one
It has great battery life. That's like the killer app of that phone
It also has no camera bump those two things are keeping it like in my pocket as
You know my my one that I'm gonna have like some of my stuff
That's a pain in the butt to migrate as I make my way through a number of devices that I want to be using over the next
little bit but There's definitely some buggy-ness and it can it can be very frustrating
But like I am often running into issues with my AirPods on this
I actually I think I caught it on video where
It's like my AirPods are showing up like like they're they're connected
They're the active device, but they're just not playing any audio
And the only way to get them to work is to put them back in the case pull them back out and connect them again
Which yeah, sure turn it off and turn it back on that's a totally valid troubleshooting step or whatever
I think a first-party device like that and like one of the most first popular
Versions of a first-party device like ever would probably be fine now in fairness to Apple
It could be because I've I've experienced this I think exclusively with Plex
I don't use my AirPods to listen to music much and I don't use them for calls much
I use them predominantly to watch things on Plex so it could just be that Plex is a steaming pile of garbage
So I can't blame Apple for it, but it just it is an observation that I've had that it has not been a seamless experience with the AirPods
Anywho I've been teasing Elijah about this this week because he literally did it for nothing
The pixel 10 family will now be able to use quickshare to complete to complete file transfers with Apple devices and their airdrop function
The Apple user will need to adjust their settings to make the device discoverable to anyone
But that's totally a thing because anytime you want to like we run into this on set all the time because we use iPhones for our teleprompter
Displays, so if you want to transfer to like like the work account that you're isn't in your contacts and you're not friends with or whatever
That's actually like a normal step then is you need to just open it up to to connect with anyone
So that's something that Apple people are totally used to doing
And then you can just adjust the time that it's open so you said it's like 10 minutes or whatever and then it'll close back off
It's a pretty normal pretty normal step a Google spokesperson confirmed that this was not a collab with Apple, but rather
We accomplished this through our own implementation
They also said and this seems like they're trying to get out ahead of Apple claiming that this is a giant security
Problem and it needs to be closed down because the only devices that are secure to transfer a file are our Apple device
So they said their implementation was thoroughly vetted by their own privacy and security teams and also they engaged a third-party security firm to pen test the solution
now The downer here and this actually kind of sucks is that this is not an Android feature
This is a pixel OS feature and pixel 10 specifically
And it has not been confirmed if it will be available
Across the rest of the pixel lineup or across the rest of the Android ecosystem
They have specifically said pixel 10 family specifically exact wording
So it's to me. That's a it's not coming to other stuff at least not right now
But Google does have a history of starting features on the pixel lineup on the latest pixels
Yeah, having them make their way to other pixels and then having them make them make their way to the broader ecosystem
Yeah, but I also just kind of wonder if this feature is going to survive
Long enough to make it to those other devices because you've got to imagine
You've got to imagine that Apple is going to be finding ways to at the very least
Passively aggressively make this not as good of an experience easily. Yeah
Updates every once in a while that just changed things
So enough that it won't work Tim 00x3 says, but yeah, but what stops Apple from patching this out
I mean they didn't work with Apple on it and From a technical standpoint very little pretty much nothing stops Apple from patching it out
but from an Antitrust standpoint and Apple has been under more scrutiny lately around the App Store
Potentially there there could be reasons for them to not
Obviously publicly intentionally locked down the interoperability of their walled garden with that said in the US in particular
Enforcement has been Inconsistent across the various
administrations and I would say the current one it seems to have more to do with how
Ring shaped your lips are and less to do with your actual behavior as a company whether you will be investigated or not
It's trying to make them as flat and wide and not ring like as possible
Good You succeeded. Thank you
Ah Discussion question is this a good move or a bad move? I think it's I think it's pretty sweet
however, you know Saying hey screw those guys with their walled garden ecosystem. We're gonna make our walled garden ecosystem
Compatible with theirs. Haha now freedom for all especially just our customers just pixel. Yeah, just pixel 10
like I
That you're not quite Robin Hood at that point Google you're like
Who who are you at that point you're your Robin Hood if he only distributed the rich guy's wealth to his merry men
You know, it's just the king of the neighboring castle
Yeah, a little bit a little bit. It does kind of feel that way our curveball question
Elijah I Elijah. Okay. That's not really a question recently bought an iPhone for airdrop also not a question
Oh, so I accidentally told the story that he had in his questions at the beginning
It sparked a brief conversation writers meeting about should that be a video where Elijah talks through his phone choice
And we go for the title of I bought an iPhone for no reason. This was a this was a major mistake
Do you think the audience cares about others experience with phones or should we keep doing Linus 30-day phone challenges?
I think that get especially given that Elijah was
the host Not not the host host, but he was the the interviewer. He was the tech support
He was the facilitator of the entire switch to Android and switch to iPhone challenge series
I think him doing a follow-up where
Okay, I Oversaw all y'all switching devices. I also made a decision. I'm getting in on the action. Here's why I did it
Google announcement mic drop. This might have been a huge mistake
Am I sticking with it or not now that I've used it for a month? I think that's a great piece of content
I think it's good if you really if it didn't feel like there was enough meat on the bone
Which I think there might be but if you didn't feel like there was I think you could maybe check in with people that have
switched within the last year and See how they're feeling about their devices at this point in time
I think that could be interesting because Yvonne said she was gonna go back to her Android, but she actually hasn't bothered yet
See that's super interesting to me. I talked to her the other day about it. I was like these might even be two different videos
I was like you're still on the iPhone and she's like Yeah, it's a lot of work to switch devices and I find that I just can't care that much I
That is a take that does matter to me to be honest because if it's if it's that no
Because the next thing she said was that if I was in office full-time right now
I would 100% be switching back
Because the productivity management tools are just plain better for her needs and
Android yeah, and and just like planning. That's so interesting because I hear I know you guys have your business calendar thing that you like a lot
Yeah, but there's business calendars goaded There is people that feel
Equal but opposite about iPhone like the the best flight tracking app as far as my understanding goes is iOS only how much do you fly though?
No, I know I just this is an argument that I hear for sure. I use my calendar every day
I use I use a flight tracking app once every once in a while when I fly like I don't I don't know man
There's just it's just like yeah iOS people say
Equal but opposite things, but I guess it it kind of depends on
Which things you use all the time Like I know someone that flies like
Often very short flights, but like almost every week really sometimes with
Who flies that much no, I'm not
But I'm talking about yeah a different guy and Flightly people sing flightly that sounds right
It just like lives and dies by that up. Can we what is that?
Is that me is that you might be me whatever that just oh, sorry. Sorry. Yeah, I'm
What a guy dude, sorry what a guy I
All the iOS users and chat just got flagged yeah, dude
Yeah, you know it doesn't matter. I love it on Android
You can just drag down your volume button and meet your phone You don't have to like interact with the screen at all. You can't do that. It's um
Why can't you do that? So what you can do is you can configure the action button for D&D?
Okay, but I don't have mine configured for that because I have it configured to be a flashlight because I find that more useful more often pretty cool
Yeah, no, I find that nukes your battery in your pocket often. I love that
There's a setting for it line is stop being wrong. What are you talking about?
This is there is there a setting to turn down the volume and it will mute your ringer because I'd love for that to be a thing
Hold on let's see. Let's see. Yes. Yes. Yeah, sure. Let me let me check. Let me check. I'm checking. I'm checking
Part of my problem is that I'm switching devices all the time So anything that's not default can be hard to hard to remember. Oh, yeah change with buttons. There you go
So it's it's not the default But yes, you so yes, you can hold it down
And change your ringtone and alerts volume with buttons very nice
All right, cool. I Still maintain the management on it is much more intuitive on Android
Basically, what happens is it controls whatever is going on now and if nothing is going on now
It controls your ringer and notification volume and then you can click a thing and then you get a full volume slider thing that comes out
And you can adjust all your various volume sliders independently
One thing that you still definitely can't do on iOS though is set a different volume for your notification and your ringer
Which I find pretty annoying because I don't always want my notifications to be loud
But sometimes I do want a phone call to be loud. Yeah
Yeah So whatever
Good job Good job
Indeed Next topic maybe
Yeah, we'll see you guys want to talk about speaking of good job
This week's outage was brought to you by Cloudflare. Oh, yeah
Yay, we all saw it coming. Yay
Is it time for us to stop being so dependent on just like nope a couple of companies to
Can't change anything to keep the entire internet running. They should merge. We need less
I know I know a bunch of chat is like yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Good. That will not happen
I am sorry they the inertia is way too high. You can't unplug
Cloudflare from the internet right now the tools to do the things that Cloudflare does
Outs that you're quite wrong. Look. Yeah. Okay. Good luck. Go have fun
The tools to do the things that places like Cloudflare accomplish
on a mass scale for everyone are not
Good enough to be honest
There is there is certain things that can help you get away from it and we use a lot of that
But just saying like oh, yeah, every single site you can unplug Cloudflare. They've done it a couple times recently. Yeah, okay, I
Need you guys to consider the vastness of this
Unplug Cloudflare Azure and AWS from the entire internet and see what happens
What would even be left we just did what we just saw what happens and that was like a regional outage for the AWS thing, too
that was like One small part of AWS. It wasn't even and trust me a huge part of float planes ethos is like using these platforms as little as possible
Yes when the cloudflare outage happened Stuff with full plane we don't we we lean on a lot of different cloudflare things we do but we try to make it as
Unplugable and into something else as possible. Yeah failure unplug and plug into something else
Is the important part of what I'm talking about these types of systems this decentralization is
How the internet works right now in grand scale the cost of doing it yourself both in employees in
Hardware and everything else is very high. These companies are offering scale. They're offering expertise
They're offering resilience all these different things and there's a reason why so many people flock to them and there's a reason why
Put it in the cloud is a lot less popular than it used to be because they're strangling everyone with price
and then People are trying to float back But what's kind of winning right now as it often does is a hybrid model that's somewhere more in the middle
You have no cloud cloud comes in and everyone goes oh my god put everything in the cloud all the time
Then there's a little outage and they're like wow we can't do anything
Oh my goodness also like getting all of our data out of our cloud storage is wildly expensive
They crank the price everything goes crazy. Then you go. Oh Maybe somewhere in here
Floatplane tries to do a bit of hybrid right now the deal we have with cloud flare is very cost effective
So we are doing that but we can try to work with other people and we can go with other companies
It doesn't just have to be three But these types of like one company leans on other ones to get things done is how the network's right now
Then there's a reason why if if you put all these three massive outages together. There's basically nothing left
There's a reason why that's the case And just just saying like oh, yeah, you can unplug it all and it's all gonna magically work is just not
True or it's not true now. Yeah, it could be true five years from now was true in the past
Yes, but right now the way that it the way that it works if you want to have a website that like is
Reasonably reliable and doesn't just get like DDoS to high hell all the time
You're you're basically using these services that's a current paradigm of being DDoS to high hell all the time is like
Exactly what I'm talking about this the the the wall someone in Philippine chat just worded it
Yep, I don't see it anymore But the needing the resiliency to absorb a lot of this type of stuff was a massive problem back in the day
Oh, yeah sites would go down all the time dude
Just stuff would go down all the time one vindictive customer. Yeah would take down a site
Whenever and and the scale the scale with which you can attack services now is only
Increasing tons of houses in BC have like three gig internet connections coming to their house up and down like oh my goodness dude
Hold on someone just someone just sent me this apparently. There's a
Hold on hold on. Also. Yeah, someone in flipping chat just said Andre B
Just said and what companies you lean on also lean on those companies as well. Yeah, much like the stock market
Which I think we're gonna talk about a little bit later a lot of not financial advice a lot of this stuff intertwines
It flows together and it's it's
It's crazy
Let me see if I can find this okay, okay. I think I got it. I think I got it up
So this was this was sent to me earlier this week by Marty Karim
a Staff signals engineer at security scorecard. We published a research on a campaign. We're calling operation WRT hug
So check check this out check this out so
It's an operation that's hijacking tens of thousands of older ASUS WRT home and small office home office routers
Using them as orb-style relay infrastructure
So apparently there's a mesh of infected dad routers. They're calling them spread across Taiwan the US
Russia Southeast Asia and Europe and
These kinds of this kind of no longer getting updates
connected infrastructure smart home devices
IOT devices that are all over the place
coupled with the enormous pipes that are available for like
run-of-the-mill residential connections
creates just Unfathomable
unfathomable scale of of attack if it if it's used in a coordinated fashion like you want you want to take
500,000 IPs hitting you for 15 terabits per second good
Luck like nah, bro. Like it's crazy
To be fair people dealt with this stuff back in the day They did but their sites would just go down all the time and so and so the only
Solution that we've found so far. We collectively have found is
massive scale and That's what cloud flare did is they built
Massive scale to absorb these attacks and turn that into their entire business model knowing that this botnet or or this
You know web of of zombie devices or whatever can't
Attack everyone at once so as long as we're big enough to absorb
You know one big attack or as long as we're big enough to absorb it
Long enough that they run out of money because a lot of the time it's this is not even like like hackers
Thanks for the link handyman hackers doing this a lot of the time. This is just pay to play
Like bot attacks where they'll where people will actually just rent someone's network
Yeah, so yeah, so it's not necessarily a hacker like deciding. Yeah, the target is it can be it can be it can be
But sometimes it's like you said it's it's paid for it's DDoS as a service
It's like it's amazing what an industry just like being in there do well can has turned into or I mean really
Realistically has been forever, but long as the internet's been a thing. Yeah, so it's like I don't know man
We we can't just rent to Pone. Is that a thing charge nuclei?
Or did you come up with that super sounds like it's got to be a thing rent to rent to Pone if it's not I mean I
Feel like it's okay Helen Keller in Floatplane chat says it is but how would you have seen that? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah?
How would you have ever heard of that? Okay, that's not funny
Shout out Helen Keller. Oh Dang, yeah, why would you laugh at that? What's wrong with you? I actual social social social path
My lips are really sore today. I I had a couple did your teeth are yellow
I had a couple really sleepless nights this week and when I don't sleep well
I tend to get like mouth ulcers not cold source. That's a different thing mouth ulcers
And what happens is the the brackets will like hook into them and like rip them up and it's like
Yeah, my lips are really really swollen right now
What I want to know what's funny
Nothing man Anyways, all I'm saying is like it's it's really not that simple, and I don't know what the future is gonna look like
You know, maybe we maybe we aren't relying on these things. There is
So much money behind the idea of keeping these things around that I'd be a little surprised if we were able to move past it and
ultimately the Uptime that most sites get from these things and by these things I'm generally referring there are many others when I'm generally referring to
Azure AWS and Cloudflare the uptime benefit that a lot of people have from working with these groups is
so much higher than the impact when they go down and I
Need you to listen to me when I say this this part's very very important. Are you laughing at them?
Nope making oral sex jokes about me. Totally not because I'm not gonna take this
Okay, I'm not gonna have this I'm not gonna have a bunch of float goats. Okay talking to me about
Throat pain the platform they use
Was I even saying oh, yeah, okay the thing I need you to hear this part's very important
When your service goes down If you can go yeah, but look
It's a ZÃ¼rer or AWS or a Cloudflare and like a third of the internet is down
Almost everyone's gonna shrug it off If your service goes down and you're hosting everything yourself, you look terrible. They're gonna be mad at you
Yeah, which one? Which which one which one are you gonna choose?
Is it getting blamed for everything and it actually being your fault all the time?
Or is it being able to point at the big nebulous thing that no one's really gonna be able to go blame or do anything about anyways a
Lot of IT professionals are gonna pick the one where they can point at the giant company that just took down a third of the internet anyways
So you are you are not alone You will also have comments if your system has comments or people talking about it
You'll have someone going oh my god I can't believe this thing is down and then there will be replies to it saying oh actually
It's just AWS being down parts me hard says can confirm 30% of my customer base was down
So so much easier to pass the buck. Yes. Yeah, should we actually read through the topic that was prepared for us by this
All of the drama for you Jordan block. Yes, we should because I it looks like you honestly did a fantastic
Yeah, you just like started talking about sorry
The thing we've been talking about for the last 15 minutes
Yeah This week's out is brought to you by cloud flare x chat gpt spotify and countless other sites and services including Floatplane
We're unavailable this week ours was only partially which I think actually made people more confused
But hey, it is what it is. We're unavailable this week after problems that infrastructure provider cloud flare cloud flare offers DDoS
protection bot mitigation content delivery and so much more so much more
to more than 24 Million active websites and services. Yeah, we can't just unplug it. I swear
It's estimated that at least 20% of the web uses cloud flare infrastructure to some degree
The outage comes after outages on Microsoft's Azure and Amazon's AWS platforms brought down large chunks of the internet in the latter weeks of
October and then Almost everyone I talked to was like wouldn't it be crazy if cloud flare went down too and then it did
That was funny this week's outage was triggered by a permissions change that ultimately caused a
Database to output duplicate entries into what cloud flare cause its feature file
Used by their bot management system the feature file basically contains a list of traits used by the bot management systems machine
Learning model to make a prediction about whether a given request was automated or not
This file is refreshed every few minutes and is published to cloud flares entire network to ensure that they're able to quickly react to
Changing internet conditions including new types of bots and bot attacks
This thing is very important the feature file is meant to contain a limited number of these features and the bot management system like other
Modules has a specific amount of memory pre-allocated on cloud flares proxies for performance reasons that makes sense
Especially when you're at scale the larger than expected feature file
However caused the bot management system to go past this memory limit causing the threads to panic and
Ultimately resulted in a 5xx error, you know, it's funny how like the more things change the more things stay the same
like my
my friend in elementary school's dad was like a hyper geeky guy and he had
He had this he had this shirt that he was just like, you know, you know that shirt
That's like so covered in coffee stains and like is full of holes
But you just still wear it all the time because it's just your favorite shirt. Yeah, so yeah on the front
It just said insufficient memory at this time
And it worked really well because he was just like he was just kind of a space cadet the kind of guy like super super nice guy
Super nice guy love him But he's just you know, he's just like kind of like sorry, what were we talking about like just you know a
Guy who's relatable to me. Yeah, I get I get it, you know, I connect
And I just I I thought it was funny at the time like kind of because you know memory overflow
Issues were not really as much of a thing because we had page files and stuff by the time I got into computers and
yet here we are all these years later and
And You know, oops, sorry that we we out we overflowed ours, but pre-allocated memory
Sorry internet. It's the whole internet. Yeah
Yeah, the the that impacted other systems that rely on the proxies and ultimately caused the outage
While the Cloudflare team responded within just four minutes of the errors occurring
It was ultimately about five and a half hours before things were back to normal not too surprising
Many Dowdy CEO of internet performance monitoring platform catch point told the Verge that the recent string of high-profile
Outages should be a wake-up call for companies
Everybody's putting all their eggs in one bath. Oh, this is sorry. This is a quote
Everybody's putting all their eggs in one basket and then they're surprised when there's a problem
Dowdy says it's on the company's side to make sure that they have redundancy and
resiliency Sure, sorry, bro. I don't think pretty much anything's gonna change because of this
But but good quote as because I mean, okay, we're just double all the cost anyways
As usual Cloudflare's blog gives a ton of detail on exactly how this played out and it's
Yeah, as per usual. It's really good. Check it out if you want to learn more. That's weird
I thought when I collapse a topic it collapses it on your screen, too. I
Just collapsed to that topic That's weird. I did not know that that didn't sink. Is that a new thing for Google Docs?
I don't know speaking of new things for Google Docs. This isn't new
But do you guys remember when on touchscreen devices you could zoom Google Docs because I do can they just bring that back, please?
I'd really love that. Thanks. If there's anyone from Google watching that'd be super cool
What are we supposed to be doing Dan? We've done two topics. He walked away. He walked away. He's not even there
We have no producer We have complete freedom to do anything we want watch this I'm gonna I'm gonna switch between all the different cameras
Why don't we do the bad news do you want to hear the bad news? Yeah
Which one?
Wait, no, no, we should do the CW announcements. Okay, so guys
It's been a pretty sick time to shop on LTT Store.com and
It's gonna be even sicker
So
We still have our loot drop running right now holiday loot drop
I just chatted with with Dave this morning and he confirmed that the way things are going right now
So I don't know if you remember this, but we advertised an approximate
Odds of winning that we were guessing at based on order quantities. Uh, does it say approximate? Yep
Approximately one in every ten qualifying orders will be randomly selected as a winner. That's what we said. Okay. It looks like
Assuming nothing goes absolutely bat crazy over the next little bit. We are going to meet that. Okay. Yeah
So our concern was that we might have so many smaller orders that
All the mail that that yeah that the that the odds of winning would go down a lot
Yeah, but it looks like we are going to meet that so far. Nice. So it's a one in ten chance of getting a
Um, what is it? I forget. It's uh, it's uh, I really want to get this right
Uh, hold on
But but Here we go
Okay, approximately one in every ten qualifying orders is expected to win a pair of sennheiser hd 550 headphones
And approximately one in every hundred qualifying orders is expected to win an ASUS rog xbox ally x
So we have this promo running right now for orders over
$100 your order will be automatically entered
Uh into the holiday loot drop upon checkout. So in other news, we also have some products
Do you want to actually bring up the site so that I can read the thing because I can I did I'm done once nice
What a guy luke laptop boom just like that Uh, this week's drop is oh wait. No, we have other things running too
So in addition to the thermochromic jack or okay, you know what let's do the thermochromic jacket first
This is the only jacket that literally shows off how hot you are
The outer shell uses a heat reactive fabric that shifts from red when cool to yellow when it's warm
So you get kind of a um You get kind of if you're if you're warm very warm, it'll pass through a little bit
But realistically what happens more often is if someone touches it like if you're if you're
You know, you have your hand around someone and you have a hand on their shoulder or whatever
It leaves like cool hand prints and stuff. It's pretty fun to play with
We have a heat gun. We have one of the jackets. We can play around with it a little bit
And as cool as it looks it's functional too
It's built with a water resistant heat reactive shell water resistant ykk zippers
Warm recycled insulation water resist. Oh this also and an adjustable hood
Does it go kind of reverse like if you're really hot and then you walk out into the rain?
Do you see like cold spots? You okay, so here's the thing. I don't know how it works. You would have to because the insulation's on the inside
Right, so your heat doesn't pass through it too much under normal circumstances. Yeah
No, no, no, sorry. I mean like say you're indoors somewhere. I understand if you're an extremely warm running boy
You might be able to get it to turn yellow on the outside, but it'll mostly be in like the creases and stuff
So here I'll put this on and I'll wear it for a while nice and then and then you guys will see
It's mostly a party trick though Yeah, if we're like I want to be honest with you guys, right? It's mostly a party trick
I was just wondering it basically does it go in reverse. So when it's cold if you apply heat it turns pretty quick
Okay, all right. We're gonna try nice Wait, we have a heat gun and a water sprayer. I didn't know that to be clear. I knew we had the heat gun
I didn't know we had a spray bottle
Uh-oh Oh, I see
Oh
All right, I've actually been wearing this quite a bit over the last little bit. It's um, it's just kind of like uh, here hold on
It's kind of kind of a nice little nice little jacket adjustable hood
Um, all right, so it feels kind of in the current fashion
Because it feels kind of like Early 2000s, which is popular popular with the young ins these days, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's almost like we have a fashion team
Yeah, um We're also rolling into the cooler months with two fresh colorways of our blank
Long sleeve shirt the deep red melange that i'm wearing line is can
So you can kind of see it. It's a melange And the black aqua melange that luke is wearing perfect for perfect for layering and styling during the fall season
You should explain melange. Oh, it's uh, basically you have
um Two different dies and the whole thing is woven together to make the fabric
So when you look at it really close like luke is doing over on his laptop there, there you go
That's a melange fabric. See that Very nice. Very nice. You want to switch over to the blue aqua
You can shop the collection at LMG.gg slash long sleeve and now's as good a time as any
To stock up on our apparel with our buy more save more apparel sale, which is running till november 26th
The more you buy the more you save up to 25 percent with five plus items. This has been an absolutely killer
Uh promo for the store people are absolutely
Loving it. They're they're loading up on a bunch of the apparel It's uh, I think it's cool because you can freaking awesome. You can mix and match with like
I mean, I'm pretty sure it's all clothing items, right? Pretty much. It's close
Even some even new stuff like wan hoodie and stuff like that wan hoodie
We're see if we go to here. You can see all the not necessarily all the white tags, but when it says buy more save more
It's included in the thing. Yeah, and it's like It's a lot of stuff
Well, I know a big struggle for people with our store is compared to stores that just like do free shipping
Or like prime shipping or whatever else I know that the the shipping can be a real challenge
But if you're loading up on five things then you're saving a bunch on the items themselves
Then that can help to offset the shipping. So I think this is kind of
Helping people break through that That friction
Break through that kind of shipping barrier and try a bunch more of the stuff which is pretty cool. So if we had socks
Uh, you could do an entire outfit because you can do pants
Uh, I mean you could even do a hat you can do pants underwear shirt
You can do all of those things. I am wearing nothing
But LTT right now Including those these I don't are you gonna show this we're not this is not the final design
How long dude for socks. Yeah soon. I want to do a refresh of mine soon the uh
Have you have you tried the prototypes? No the most recent ones. Um
They're like, okay Have we talked about the socks? Yeah, uh quite a while ago. Yes
Okay, um We talked about like
We were talking about the the different like you want to I don't know weave or knit or something
Different amounts across the sock because of like
Zones like where your toes are where's where a heel is all this kind of stuff and they need to be done differently
Blah blah blah. We talked about that on my jersele says you have but not in detail
Okay, they are they are Going to be freaking awesome because for me because they're going to be exactly what I want
Surve says are they soft or are they more rough? I can't do soft socks
They're more of like a utility like
durable Practical sock, so they're not going to be the softest sock in the world. They're a marino blend
So they have real wool in them Which means you're not going to get like like like a like a fleece feeling like a super super soft feeling from them
um, but You know, I don't necessarily like too much stretch or too much
Like softness in a sock because what I can what I find is that it can make it so that
Your foot can move too much in your shoe and I can actually get blisters, especially when playing sports
Um, so they're going to be super wicking
Super antimicrobial Thanks to a copper treatment that we're getting. Um, that's actually uh through a partner in canada here
Um They're going to be Stretchy but not too stretchy. They're going to have variety a variety of different
Weave styles, so there's going to be like more breathable ones on the top
um, I am like
So excited. We're finally We're finally doing it
Chat is uh yelling at me to when they come out buy them before they sell out again
Yeah, because I never get anything off the store
I do feel like this is something that we are going to stock pretty heavy
Because we know like we've been talking about this project for like three or four years now or something like that
I think I think this is going to be it I think this is the last project that was assigned to Bridget when she started
And I think she's going to be coming up on her five years
Not that long from now, which to be clear is not because
Bridget did a bad job at any stage Bridget's amazing love working with Bridget
We actually did an AMD upgrade for her a little while ago and
I even just like watching back at the video of us. I was like, oh, that's so fun. I love hanging out with Bridget like she's great
and um I am just an extremely difficult customer when it comes to what I put on my feet. I can be kind of
I can be kind of sensory defensive and um
If I don't like something it can be very binary
Yes, I like it No, I don't like it get rid of it. And so it yeah, it can be it can be pretty tough
um, and between her and and tachiana and the rest of the fashion team they've like
I had given up. I told them forget it
At a number of points and they were just like no and they're just like no, we're gonna
We'll backburner it, but we're gonna keep trying. What are your thoughts on sock warranty?
So
Basically the question becomes how much do you guys want to pay for it?
Because there's no free lunch Right. No, so if we do but if it's a high-end sock at these amount of competitors have I know high-end
I know So so really what it comes down to is how we want to position it because what we could do is we could say hey
This is a high-end sock that is very competitive with other very high-end socks
But our price is going to be more palatable
And there's no warranty, but we're not going to do like the crazy warranty
Or okay, not no warranty. Hold on relax. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no
I felt it coming or or We bake it in because those are those are the only two options and realistically
Our our model up until now has been that we bake it into everything
Because that's the trust me bro guarantee. Yeah, because realistically I don't really have a choice
Which is exactly the point that I was trying to make all those years ago
I don't really have a choice And I was so validated by the way that people freaked out about it
Because the second I even talked about not having a plan yet for how we were going to do warranty for something
I got my head bit off on what sorry on the backpack
The backpack timeline you don't fully remember correctly. This has been broken down
But that was part of my point was whether I like it or not
We don't we don't have the option right right like as long as as long as I am here
The pr damage Of us not taking care of people. I do agree is going to vastly outweigh
Any kind of benefit that we would get from not replacing your sock. Yep
Like it's not really a question Right
I mean, do you disagree? No, but I don't also disagree that you should have just done a warranty in the first place with the backpack
Sure, but you should just figure out your correct stance And if your stance is going to be that I'm going to replace it anyways
Then you just give people the proper warranty. This is that but here's the well hold on
But okay, so you're forgetting a detail though because our written warranty that people
Read about that they wanted so badly does not say that
Uh, no, I know. Yeah, it doesn't say that. Yeah, but if you're going to say that for the socks
So we're not going to say that for the socks because no company would be crazy enough to do that
They do that was Who?
I'm pretty I know fjallraven does that with multiple things. Oh, I know
Osprey does that with bags. Okay, so then again So so there's multiple facets of this right because
They might say that but ultimately what it comes down to when it comes down to it
It's it's their ability and their willingness to fulfill it
I think a few of these companies have like long-term examples of doing that over time like all the ones that I named and that's reputation
Yes, but these companies might not exist forever for sure
But I don't think that's a reason to not do it and if they ever did
Make a serious strategic error in their products and they were ever
Unable to fulfill it. You simply like wouldn't get a replacement
Which is exactly what I was talking about when I was trying to figure out. Okay
What would a system look like? By which our commitment whatever commitment it is that we make could survive any event
Which was the whole point of what I was talking about is whatever we lay down whatever we lay down in writing
It should be something that we can actually Commit to and you know as the weird influencer company
Rather than like a physical goods company that has 50 years of history or whatever to to lean into or has
You know it is publicly held, right?
Like if I die The ownership of Linus media group all of a sudden becomes a major question. Yeah, and Linus media groups
Legal obligations become a major question, right?
So the the whole point of it was like, okay What would that what would that look like as long as I'm here and as long as I'm breathing
Then it would be crazy for us to not just take care of people
And if I'm not what does that look like?
And what people wanted was hey here's some platitudes and so we gave it to them
Sure, but at the end of the day what our actions are are the trust me bro guarantee
Yeah, but going above and beyond is good. Of course, right? Of course should have never meant that you didn't have a warranty to begin with
But and another detail that a lot of people miss is we never launched the product without a warranty in place
I think we did no we didn't I'm pretty sure we did I promise you let me go try to find it
Nobody was nobody received a single backpack. I think they did without a warranty or maybe received it
Maybe we started sales before it was there. We start. I think we started sign-ups
But we never took money until we actually had the product in stock
So it's one of those things where it was a theoretical
It was a theoretical issue
It's gonna take me a while to find it. Yeah, that's that's fine. Um
The point is for the socks
Realistically, I don't know if we have
I don't know if we really have a choice
I think we pretty much have to Kind of bake it in whether we explicitly include that in a warranty or not
Is what it is what it kind of boils down to it. Does that does that kind of make sense?
And that that logic has always been consistent from day one of the store
The customer care teams instructions have always been
Within reason Make it right
Take care take care of the customer. Yeah, and there are cases where they do say no because it's like not reasonable
But in most cases, you know, if it if it is a if it is actually anything wrong with the product that you bought
Then the instructions are take care of it
No, I'm not researching immortality Ikea cherry
Like what I what do you expect in terms of like a sock warranty? That's another that's another thing
I'm kind of curious about I honestly before I
found like marina wool socks and
companies like icebreaker and darn tough that I don't know about icebreakers warranty, but
Honestly osprey darn tough all these different brands that have lifetime warranties. I never would have expected any of them existed
I'm very surprised that any of them exist. I'm not saying that they shouldn't
I'm just really surprised that they do. I assumed if you bought a wool sock and you put a hole in it
14 years later that You put a hole in your sock and you should get a new sock
But that's apparently Not a thing at a certain point like someone in chat even said they had a darn tough sock that was like five years
Older something you got a hole in it. They shipped it to darn tough and they got new socks back
Now my understanding of the darn tough warranty is that that's a one-time thing
per purchase So so even even I have no idea. Yeah, even an unconditional
You know warranty That doesn't necessarily mean I because I think I think you know that when I bought my whole wardrobe worth of darn tough socks
Um, because I love darn tough socks regardless of whether, you know
We're going to sell our own or like compete with them or whatever Like if we could have partnered with darn tough and just you know re-randed darn tough I'd have been down to do it
I love their product. It's a great product. Remember. Did you guys try? We've reached out to them
But for you know one reason or another that is no fault of theirs and no I mean they don't need to no fault of ours
Not every partnership makes sense. No, I'm not blaming anybody
But for whatever reason, you know, we didn't end up doing we didn't end up partnering with them on it
Yeah, that's all I have to say about it But if we could have I would have and just because we're going to make our product doesn't mean that I'm not going to
You know, honestly talk about another company's product that that I also really think is very high quality
So yeah, darn tough makes a great product. My understanding is that it's it's one time
um and if you if you go into
Sort of the the fine details of it
many warranties
Do have Legal sort of um get out of jail free
verbiage verbiage in them And you know, I like I get that because I think I told you my
Like my devious plan when I bought two weeks worth of darn tough socks was that they would be the last socks that I ever bought
Because I was just going to get
Like warranty claim socks, uh for the rest of my life
Um rather rather forward the brave in full plain chat said correct. You can only use it once per pair
I probably buy one to three pairs per year and replace one to two pairs every one to two years
All claims made in good faith will be considered
So even It was what is that? That's that that's darn tough. Cool. Okay, so what people have to understand?
Is that any warranty? It comes down to the company's willingness that everyone bakes in because your lawyers will not allow you
To write a warranty that says I will be liable for every
product I ship forever No sane lawyer would ever allow you to write that into a written warranty
Um, I was trying to figure out if there was a way that we could do it
People wanted something else so and and that's and that's valid
Yeah, there's a there's a thread on the forum. Yeah, that says that when we recount this we get it slightly wrong
And there they have wayback machines and archive.today links and links to the wancho and stuff
And there's a link to three different wanchos all of which are well, okay. It's august 5th august 12th and august 18th
of three years ago
2022 And on the wayback machine you can see in a a archive of the backpack page
Which has a add to cart for full price
And and the amount of backpacks that were remaining in the wave that we were shipping at the time from august 4th
Meaning they were on sale when we were still talking about having a warranty
So this is the august 4th wayback machine
250 bucks add to cart so it looks like it. Well, it does say backorder
This is a backorder. Yeah, this is the back. So for both screwdriver and backpack
We did kind of a weird thing where we I think we
Did you check out but didn't I'm trying to remember how we did it for backpack
So for screwdriver what we did was we did an in-person event
Where we launched it I And then like a hundred people could buy it or something like that
I'm fairly certain we did with the backpack like a thousand people could buy it
You had a bunch there. Okay. So, you know what that's that's true then
I guess the people who bought it in person technically did buy it before we had finalized it, but I think there's also
This thing, right? There's whatever this is. This is a backorder shipping yet
Yeah, right, but that means they bought it. So they didn't receive it, but they bought it pre-warranty. They gave us money
Yes, which was fully refundable
And we were pending figuring it out, which I always said from the beginning. I said we're gonna figure it out
I'm just saying I'm just saying there's I saw this thread forever. That's true
From flaming otter on the forum and they did some good research
Uh, and they they linked the wayback machine archive.org and and date stamped all these wanshows and all this kind of stuff
And I had I had kind of forgotten the exact order of events. So I I appreciated this was a correction. But yeah, so that's
We just we end up circling this topic
All the time. So I just want to make sure we're uh, yeah doing it right
so It was right of people to want something in writing
But my intention was never to screw anybody over
Even if I wanted to The consequences would have outweighed the benefit
No, I do agree. I I think I've always agreed with that like the audience would slaughter you
Well, they did Right like it it completely proved my point my entire point
Was like Yeah, this is irrelevant. This is utterly irrelevant because if I ever fucked anyone over
I would get raked over the calls. Which is which is why like man. Why didn't you just do it in the first place?
I told you at the time such a bad reason. I didn't explain it very well
And it was it. Hold on. Ah, it was an emotional reason. Yes, which is a bad reason
But it didn't come from a bad place Ah, sure. I was trying to figure out. Okay, like
No, seriously, you know, because you know, I think about like, you know
Long-term succession plan legacy But this is this is a real company warranties like if you look at what happens to a warranty if the company disappears
I wanted to do better. Yeah, it's gone. Yeah, but Like I was okay literally the minimum first and then try to do better
Literally what like one of the conversations that I'd had with Yvonne beforehand
But I didn't want to talk about this because I didn't want to commit to it I didn't want people to get this idea in their head, but I was like, okay
What if like in trust We have like fun set aside to lease space to like warehouse replacement parts like after the company shuts down
I know it's insane But that's what I was trying to figure out if there is like a reasonable way to do it
My only my only point was that I think the timeline slightly off I think we should uh, I think we should the chat is yelling at us to move on
Yeah, I think we should the audience is guiding us onwards from this topic
We should we should move we should listen to them and move on heat gun already says heat gun. Oh, sure hit me
Not too close. It's a heat gun. It's like very hot
It has a just yeah, it has a lock. Yeah, you just move that down just down. Yeah, here we go
Uh, hold on here. I have to I have to sort of working. I have to be here. What do you mean? Is it?
Yes, it's definitely working very close. Nice. Why would you do that?
Look you're happy now
I'm very happy right now
Um Oh, hold on my hands my hands aren't that warm are your hands warm? Uh, not really it might work anyways
Hold on Okay No, I think you're warmer. Yeah, I think I'm probably warmer. Yeah
Okay If your hands are really warm it happens pretty fast, but if you're like a cold hands kind of person hands are cold
Then it uh, then it can take a little while. There you go
Uh, anyway It looks cool and I've seen it a few times like if you if somebody like gives you a hug
Yeah, you see the arms around the back So here's the back just sitting against the chair like you end up with a little bit of the hood too. Yeah heat trapped a little bit
Yeah, so it's uh Like I said, it's more of a it's more of like a like a party trick and less of like it's gonna look like fire
You know all the time or whatever, but it's it's pretty neat. It's a pretty neat party trick. Oh, right spray the water
Uh, so we got to make a warm zone. Oh sure. Yeah hit me
Oh here do this side
Okay, nice, okay
Whoa, yeah, see that's crazy So if you come from like a really warm area and walk outside into the rain, it's gonna look wild. Yeah, I think that's awesome
That's actually really cool. I've never seen the reverse. I've only seen it heat up. Right. That's sweet. I am like
Dying right now wearing this inside. It's it's pretty warm. You can hear you can see the inside is uh, oh, yeah
Turned yellow. Yeah. Yeah
Hug my my like hold my arms and my hands are very cold. Oh, yeah and in the sleeves
It tends to go like that in the in the creases and stuff. So it's just I don't know. It's just it's kind of it's kind of neat
Yeah, basically this is one of those garments where we didn't set out trying to make a jacket and then look for a material
We came across a cool material and then we were like very 3m style. Let's um, yeah, let's let's find something
To make out of this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Oh, uh, what are we supposed to be doing merch messages? Oh, yeah, uh, want to hit me with a couple? Oh, wait
I should explain what they are. Uh, for those who are new to the show merch messages are the way to interact
Not like just throwing money at your screen. No, you should throw money at lttstore.com
Get great quality merchandise in return and also you can send a merch message to a producer Dan
And Just whenever we're live fill in this box in your
Cart that's right cart not check out and you can select a color
Select if you want it to be your name or to be anonymous and then producer Dan
Will either curate your merch message for me and luke to respond or he might oh here. I'm gonna there we go
Uh, oh, uh, but sorry press the wrong thing luke. Oh luke laptop. There we go. Oh wait. No, what did I want to do?
What are you doing? I was trying to point at
this There we go. He might just he might reply to it. He might just pop your message up if it's like a hey mom or you know
Whatever and uh, we'll show you what it looks like Dan. Do you want to hit us with a couple merch messages?
Yeah, sure. I got a bunch coming in here. Hey litmus duke and flan love the new energy in recent LTT videos
How has the shift impacted the creative process slash morale for the team and has it
reinvigorated the fun of making content for you
Huh I don't know. I think we're kind of just doing what we're doing. We're uh
I mean if you're talking like about the valve video specifically like we're we're pretty excited awesome
Yeah, we're pretty excited about those. We're always happy when there's just like, you know cool
Cool tech for us to talk about that really does make our lives a lot easier
Um Other than that i'm i'm not i'm not a hundred percent sure to what you are referring. I don't know sir. Yeah, we're
I do really like it said the the high sense video didn't get more views
I don't know what's going on with that. It feels weird, but that was a sweet video
The valve videos were both awesome. There's been some really good stuff lately
I don't know man. You two views are so strange these days. It's really it's really really really tough right now
Like that xbox might be cooked one Did like banger numbers out of the gate like as good as the one before it with the speaker the speaker scam
Yeah, yeah, uh, but then just Trailed off
The Linus went undercover to answer your tech questions was doing
Really great And that or uh, oh wait. Yeah, I know that one was doing really great and then trailed off
And then i'm trying to think if there's one that like started out horrible
Um graffino s started slow and then you can see is now above average
so like The the the rhyming reason to it all is it's felt like more than ever before the knobs are being like actively
Turned over time and I mean that in both directions
Certain videos are just like really taking off in ways that you might not expect and videos are just being crushed in ways
You might not expect it's It's interesting and it's it's always funny to see people
You know talk about on the subreddit. It's it's it's it's become a bit of a pattern
That the ones that are poor performers. I'm going back to your laptop. Sure. Uh, the ones that are poor performers
tend to be kind of like core audience
Like like subreddit and forum user favorites
And what I kind of have to say to those folks is like, okay
Do something about it because we're getting fucking crushed here on them
Like the amount of positivity for this buyer diy that is mostly hosted by jordan where we we finally
Do behind this so positive people really like this video is bombing. It's dying
Yeah, it's like, uh, it's one of the worst performers out of the last few weeks
And that's not because jordan did a bad job it's because
People are really positive. Yeah. Oh, it's a little it's like super positive. Um, I think it basically just comes down to that
Some of the some of the passion of this
Of this hobby is um is getting hard right now
With just like how expensive things are how expensive things are and how boring a lot of things are like you see the valve content people came out
It's just like, oh, wow, there's really interesting hardware coming
Yeah, I will look at this. They're here for it. Yeah, okay
ah, man, so here's a
Here's a crazy thing
If the mainstream
Affordable tech is like not coming back
Like you look at AMD's AMD's talking about increasing pricing on their gpus. They were down to msrp for like two weeks
Um, I can't have that. Well, no, I pump it up. I understand why they're doing it
Have you seen what's happened to diram pricing over the last few weeks? Like
It's not like it's that they don't make diram They have to buy it same as I do same as you do
They have to buy diram from samsung or sk hynix or whoever the case may be micron. I don't buy my diram
I know you don't but some people have to so for the people who do right
That's a cost. That's a cost that went up a lot
Um, and you know like oh, they should just absorb it like that's that's nice
That would be very generous of them, but that's not how it's not gonna be how that's not how corporations work
Yeah, um So
Where was I going with this? Right, right, right, right, right, right. So so prices are coming up. So so here's an interesting here's an interesting question
I don't think yeah
Oof this is from tech spot I don't know if the days of LTT doing, you know, 130 million views a month on
building computers Are coming back
And so with that in mind like, you know, what do we what do we make videos about?
um, I think there's like a
opportunity to Do things differently like I've been I've been trying to get
Slightly louder and louder and louder over time about spinning up a Labs channel at some point
um, I don't know if new channel is going to help us out because
Like yeah, that's that it's not gonna We got to figure out some of our production efficiency woes. Yes
Um, I think it absolutely can and it should we might need to change how like pipelines in the company
I have oh man. I don't know if we want to talk about this or not. I have ideas on things
um Like it might it might not make as much sense to have these massive
silos That have to try to lob things between each other all the time. It might make more sense to
um Have like individual
Channels basically manage their own pipelines Um, that creates its own set of inefficiencies. It sure does which we have learned from experience
Sure, and I won't say that the previous attempt at that was perfectly managed. Um
But I I can say that we we gave it the old college try and it was not great
What was that for I don't want to get into the specifics right now because it would yeah, no, that's fair enough
That's why this conversation could be hard
But but yeah, okay. No, I it's not that I don't believe you. I just I don't just not 100 sure what you're talking about
Like here's here's a crazy thought. Here's a totally crazy thought like we've talked about this offline
But planes not sinking guys relax. Yeah, we're just okay. We're okay. We're
LMG has had to reinvent itself multiple times
I think any company that has substantially existed on youtube for this long will have reinvented itself a bunch of times
This is not like chill. Yeah, it's not always in ways that are even necessarily obvious from the outside
But we have we've completely changed how we run our production many times
um, and so you know like I think we've talked about this offline. We might have even mentioned this on wancho before but I I came across recently that
um, and this is really stuck in my head because it it completely shifted
my view of how the consumer market works
But half of all consumer spending in the us is now the top 10 percent of earners
Have we talked about that on the show Dan? Do you remember? He doesn't pay attention. He just sits on his phone. I'm not sure. I don't think so
Um that Absolutely. Yeah, okay. Your us all says yes. We have that
Still it's like still on my mind. It's shocking. It's it's one of the facts that I've been telling more and more people lately
It's just weird. It does make a lot of things make
Uh more sense. It really does but it is very weird, but it but it blows me away
So so here's the thing like in mat because we used to make videos about high-end gpus all the time
Right, we'd make a video about the you know, uh, 780
You know or the the gtx 680 or you know, whatever right like about these high-end gpus and remember a high-end GPU used to be
500 600 700 dollars
And we'd get you know a million two million I think it really peaked around the rtx 30 series
When I think the announcement for the rtx 30 series got like three plus or four million views or something like that
r50 90 review got over three million views. Um
I'll get to that in a moment Um, because there's a big difference to me between like a spectacle product
Like like the biggest tv in the world consistently will get over three million views for us
But for a different reason Then why you know, uh a gtx
Uh 1650 review might get three million views. This is because everyone's kind of like
Oh, this is an opportunity for me to see and vicariously experience it something that I would never see in person
And this is because I am deeply considering purchasing this thing and I need to know more about it. Yes. Yeah
And what we have right now in between those two
Is an expanse of dead zone
Is is what it feels like to me Where you have these products that are neither affordable
To that 90 percent of us consumers that are that are making up half of spending
Um, and then you've got these like these halo products that are still interesting
But but you don't get very often Like if our channel was dependent on NVIDIA to release a halo GPU for every like banger hit on our channel
It might have been fine when you and I first started doing computer stuff and it was like every seven months
There was a new flagship sometimes Yeah, yeah, that was a wild time to be a computer enthusiast. Yeah
It's like you'd you'd buy a new pc you'd bring it home You'd turn it on fire up an internet browser and find out it was obsolete like that that was like that was a meme
Yeah And so, you know, here's a crazy idea
What if we just accept That a lot of our videos are going because we've avoided creating too many videos about high-end stuff
Like I don't you probably remember I vowed not to not to go 40 series
You know because pricing was unreasonable Clearly that changed nothing
NVIDIA's g4 sales go up like clockwork more and more people are buying gforce even though
90 percent of people who have half of the purchasing power are angry about gforce pricing
Justifiably so because it's out of reach big time
But like what what do we do do we segment our content?
So do we have the videos that are designed for that 10 percent of the audience where we we
Evaluate high-end stuff knowing that only half a million people are going to watch it and then do we have
Content that we design around everyone else. That's like, okay. Here's the you know for for of a hot take, you know, whatever
Steam machine versus diy pc, you know affordable Linux gaming pc
Which is the way to go and and and we really like hyper focus who the audience is for any given video
Have a hot take. Yeah hit me. I think you're thinking about it too much and that you did this forever
because we had
Extremely high-end systems We had your like what if you put
A GPU from both vendors in your machine and ran crossfire and slite the same time
What would happen going on at the same time as we had?
um The compensator and scrapyard war is happening. We have always shown both sides of the coin
We have but what I can tell you is that
The one side is getting a lot less views these days. Okay, sure. I think you can still do it
Well, no, it's not it's not just that it's that
It's it well those so those are both still doing fine
Though the extremes are both still doing fine. It's the it's the like
Man, what what would be like an equivalent? It's it's like the build guide. It's like the it's like the silent pc build guide
The two thousand dollar pc build guide That is is is in this sort of like even even this one
Like all msrp this yeah, absolutely
died now now this one
This one had a problem the problem was that we shot this
Ah, the very all the comments about RAM prices
So RAM prices started to take off literally
In the couple of weeks that this was sitting and editing And that sucks
Because when we did the build it was like we were going to be like on it
Like you remember talking about this on wancho, right? Like we were going to be on it highlighting
Finally some good news finally a freaking
Good time to be alive for people who like building their own pc's. All right. This is just a great shot
I gotta hold on one sec. What is this wait for it wait for it when he puts a thing on the shelf
And the piece of paper naturally falls fantastic. Yeah cinematic masterpiece. Yeah
With that said with that said I still think that if you're somewhat shopping for a pc this black friday could be a pretty good time to to move
Even with RAM prices being as crappy as they are Because it's only a matter of time before other components that use RAM like GPU's are also going to spike
And storage is also Apparently going to spike so yeah watch out
But yeah, it's it's that it's that like every day
Like the very first pc build guide we did was a $1,500 pc build guide
And it's kind of crazy to think about that because that was over 10 years ago
Um, and so you know with inflation or or whatever you would think I would be able to get
A similar amount of interest in building a $2,000 pc today
But because the individual components feel so because some categories have come down like cases are
Kind of shockingly affordable these days Like man, uh, it was uh, I think david's upgrade
We picked up this like chinese brand case that had like glass all over it and like came with a bunch of fans
And I'm like looking this thing. It was like 70 dollars or something like that. I was like, this is this is crazy
Right like you remember when the the course error, uh 900d came out. It was like 300 dollars
Dude, you can get a case that may not have as much steel in it
But it's so much more featured today
For literally like a quarter of the price. It's wild
But then people get this sticker shock Of they go to buy a freaking GPU
Or they don't realize that you can just buy a mainstream motherboard and they they they look at how much like a gamer
top-of-the-line Chipset motherboard costs and they go holy s*** this forget it
You know, I'm out. I'm out and uh
I think it just it just takes some of the it takes some of the it takes some of the joy out of it
For sure. I know a lot of people that have effectively exited the hobby at this point. Um, like personally
Because it's just like man, I can't keep up and it's it's
It's not Okay, it's obviously clearly both, but I think the bigger impact of it is not actually the price of
Computer components going up. I think it's the price of everything else going up and their income is not matching
That's because they're feeling squeezed on any form of
extra Extra hobbies extra activities eating over food any form of anything is feeling squeezed
It's not just their their hobbies their interest in computer stuff
It's a tough time What is a channel what does a channel look like that can kind of cater to
The top of the k-shaped economy and also the bottom of the k-shaped economy
How do we design that channel? I don't think it's that different
You think so? I don't think it's that different. I think
Um, I think you keep that in mind. I think you understand that the middle is like not that interesting and just do both
Like I said, we would do insane Lambo builds back in the day
um And not literally Lamborghini, but like just
Fancy things. Yeah, um, and then also would do
Scattered wars and yeah cheaper things like that
Oh
Yeah, we'll figure it out We'll figure it out. Um
I think I think this one this this video felt like it kind of rhymed. I haven't watched these
It rhymed ads If you go back and go forward again, it usually gets rid of it
But do you remember this? Free or extremely cheap diy pc test bench. Yeah
Um, I haven't watched it yet, but you guys just a piece of wood
Basically you basically you take a computer case and you
Oh, no do yeah I'm turn it into a test bench by using wood and legs
Um
I was like, wow I'm at the end already But yeah, it's I saw you guys do the like, uh, I haven't watched it yet
But the server rack video and I was like, uh cool
Yeah, uh, and I mean, maybe we just have to maybe part of it is uh, because I know you and I have talked about
I think we need to get back to the daily schedule. I think we need to be part of people's daily routine.
I think that is an important part of Linus Tech Tips ethos,
is that it's been, when we were really hitting it,
we were hitting it every day. You could come to your computer after work
and there would be an LTT video every time. Or at breakfast time.
You know, everybody had like their routine.
I think we have to hit it every day. And there's things that doesn't just mean like,
you know, push the writers harder.
There's like, we gotta find ways to accomplish that.
And a seven and a half minute video might be one of the ways to do that.
Yeah. I also talked to somebody, I was talking to a couple people about this,
but let me pitch it on WAN Show and see why you don't like it.
But I have my new idea for ShortCircuit
and my new idea for ShortCircuit, which I'm gonna need to chop around to a bunch of people
if it's even any good as an idea.
Stems off of a type of video that was your idea back in the day that we filmed.
If I look up, let me jump to here, GTX 980.
Here we go. This video is a good example of it.
So it starts off and you're hosting and you actually, I noticed this while I was talking
to someone about this idea, but you actually like take it out of the box.
There you go. It's not an unboxing,
but let's use the framing of the video instead of the actuality of the video.
But you started off, you're talking about the product, you look at the product,
you're talking about how it's physically built, you're talking about the new cooler, it looks all cool and stuff.
You talk about software features, you go through the IO,
you do things that you might do if this was a ShortCircuit unboxing.
Yep. Okay. I mean, that's LTT's origin, right?
This is 11 years ago. So this is not far after LTT was an unboxing channel.
Yes, this is us kind of like morphing. Evolving. We're kind of in the middle.
So this is unboxing and you've always said your name for ShortCircuit
is unboxing plus. This video also had a plus.
Yeah, with a little bit of performance testing. Hello. What if we did-
Snow wars. What a shirt.
I don't think we had a, I noticed that too.
Is that meant to be like Calvin and Hobbes looking font? What am I looking at here? It's supposed to be Calvin and Hobbes,
like cosplaying Star Wars. There's Calvin down there.
Brilliant. Okay. Yeah. Anyway though.
Yeah. So what if we kind of did it this way?
So, because there's been, I've heard a bunch of different complaints about ShortCircuit.
I finally shot one and experienced how it goes and stuff.
One of the things that I've heard is that it's like, it's unboxing,
but it's not necessarily the first unboxing. Mm-hmm.
Like say for example, if someone unboxed it before and now it's in a power profile
that you didn't expect it to be in. You might have noticed the glowing yellow icon
in the corner, but you know, that's fine. We can take the entire blame for that.
Yeah, we're not. We could focus on the thing that we're trying to talk about though.
That would be good. So, what if we did a thing?
Why are you so sensitive? This goes both ways, big guy.
It's okay. So what if we did an actual unboxing? Yeah.
So what if very shortly after it came in, you know, we gotta give some time,
whether it's Bell or it's maybe someone from the last team or whatever,
prepare some form of one page or document that doesn't yet have performance numbers in it,
but it has like points that you should probably hit about this product.
And they still sit on the side. A lot of the shooting is the same.
It just doesn't have the Labs input yet. You do your unboxing and everything.
And then one of the ways I was thinking about it is you like actually physically
like toss the product off camera. You're not the first person to pitch this to me today.
And then, oh, today. Interesting. And what I said to them is that that works great
until, and I think this will happen on a not infrequent basis,
something about the initial unboxing and impressions
conflicts with something in the, but we've actually tested it now.
So how do we not waste the viewer's time
sitting through mistaken impressions to get to the part where we correct it?
I don't know if that's gonna happen too often. I do think you're right.
It will happen. I think one of the parts of this that effectively needs to happen
is that the first, I don't know the proper term for this,
but when it's cut together, before it's like properly edited, but they have the footage cut together,
I think that should be output and handed over to the people in the lab.
So while they're testing it, they can see what the person said.
And then if minor corrections need to be made with like, you know, voice dub or whatever, it can be done.
Any time you have to go back and do a pickup,
it is just devastating to the workflow because it's like,
I don't know how often that's gonna have to happen though, because like there are some things,
like an example that I'm assuming the other person I was talking to about this brought up
was brightness. They're like, what if I like the brightness?
But it turns out that the spec that they advertised was like incredibly high-knit.
And then the Labs finds that it's below the advertised spec.
Yeah, because there's so little content that will actually take advantage
of a super high brightness display
because it's just like not mastered for it. It's particularly becoming a thing with like newer films
is many of them are mastered to such a low HDR brightness
that they might as well not be HDR at all. And so depending on the content that the host,
you know, happens to find to watch,
they might form a completely wrong impression
of the brightness of the display. And it's like, it's one of those things where like,
in theory, yeah, you can have expert hosts who just like won't do that.
But that's not scalable. That's not, it's not that manageable.
It's hard to train for every edge case.
And the audience might not agree. In my opinion, if someone's impression
of the brightness is good, and then we test it and get a number
that's like not necessarily,
I think the example that was given was it doesn't match the manufacturer's spec.
Not necessarily that we found that it was bad, but we found that it didn't match the manufacturer's spec.
I mean, I think a manufacturer falsely advertising their product is bad.
Right, but we still call that out in the video. But it can be, hey, the brightness of this device
feels good and it can be, hey, their spec doesn't match.
That's bad. That both can be in the same video, I think. I think those can live together.
I'm having a very hard time. I mean, I'm not saying, I'm not saying, you know,
no, you're wrong, right? Like you might very well be right.
I don't know. I'm having a very hard time imagining a world
where I want to watch a video that contradicts itself.
That doesn't just- I don't think that's a contradiction. That doesn't just do the work ahead of time
and then get alignment between the teams so that the message is consistent.
And like I have no problem with a host saying,
in fact, like this is something that you would have seen me do in script review all the time back in the day.
Like if you were preparing a laptop or something like that,
then I might say something in the video about, and coming around to the keyboard,
well, this is a bit of a mixed bag. Luke, who was the writer for this project,
absolutely loved it. But here's the thing,
and we'd get a b-roll shot of my hand and Luke's hand.
My hand's a little bit smaller than Luke's, and I actually found it pretty hard to reach the shift key,
which for a grammar Nazi like myself,
who cares about things like capitalization and punctuation is a big problem.
Like that's exactly the kind of thing that I might write into a script, but that's tidy.
It's in a nice little bow, it contains both perspectives,
and I don't have to wait around to get the other perspective.
And I've always preferred to wrap things in a tight bow,
or I shouldn't say always. I mean, going back, if you go back far enough,
we would actually, I would say something that I think about the product,
and I would cut the camera, and then we would come back,
and the camera would start rolling again, and I wouldn't edit anything,
and I'd say, oh, actually I just looked it up on my phone,
and that's not right, the spec is actually this. I think I remember that. Like if we go back far enough,
I basically did exactly what you're pitching. No, it's different.
Okay, a little different. It's pretty different. I mean, here's my impression, and here's what I think.
No, it's quite literally unboxing plus a thing. It's unboxing and impressions and experience,
which is what unboxing means, and the reason why it's so confusing to the entire audience.
And then it adds on, Labs testing on the end,
instead of trying to mix it throughout. I understand the vision of the thing
that you're talking about. Yeah. I think it's just, what I'm trying to accomplish
is the path through our workplace right now.
For a thing that comes in for ShortCircuit is very difficult, and this path is significantly simplified.
And I think there is, I think there's potential
that the audience really likes it in that structure. I also think there's potential that it just sucks.
I know I'm not trying to dismiss your concerns. There's also devices where it's really not simplified.
Anything with battery testing should absolutely go through the lab first,
and should go nowhere near a set before it has been battery tested,
because you're just adding an enormous, potentially huge delay to the time
when you can film the first segment, like the impression segment, and when you can film the second one.
So you'll have these projects that are just in production limbo,
waiting for the second part to be tested,
and then shot, and then delivered to the editor. So why did you even bother
to shoot this piece in the first place? So part of this plan that I didn't explain
was that it could sit in editing and in Labs testing at the same time,
so that the hosted part, the probably more difficult part to edit,
okay, the primary hosted part, because the Labs hosted part would be so short,
could start editing while the Labs is testing. So that's something that I've pitched many times,
like having editing the part of a video that the editors have already,
and then I'll deliver you the rest. Nobody likes it.
Okay. I mean, I don't know, imagine from like a development standpoint,
if someone was like, yeah, here's the first half of the project that I want done.
It doesn't really matter. I guess you like could do that, but it's a lot easier.
It's a lot easier if you have a full, scoped out, you know, work order,
and you know exactly what it is that you're building. People generally like to have all of the Lego pieces
come in the box, rather than building half of the kit,
and then getting the rest of the pieces later, and then putting them together at the end, in general,
because there are aspects of the edit that do carry forward between the two parts.
And it's not the kind of thing that I think nuts and bolts folks
might necessarily consider, but okay, I want music that matches this tone.
I want music that matches the tone of this, and I want them to kind of match the tone
and transition well into each other. It's hard for me to do that
when I don't have both pieces from the very start.
And so look, I'm not saying no.
I'm just saying that it's not that simple either.
No, I didn't think it was that simple. I'm trying to figure out how to solve
for some of these things. You're talking about music. Like, I wonder if we could almost have...
I've pitched it. What? Just a library of like a finite number of tracks,
and they're just like all in a folder, and they're all... You know what ones pair, yeah.
And the thing is that like, that's the kind of cookie cutter thinking
that people like you and I would look at and go,
well, that just makes common sense. But it's also the kind of thing
that the really like audiovisual creative folks
who have driven a huge part of the advancements
of our visual identity on our channel over the years
would look at and go, well, yeah, no,
that's not really how it works if you don't want things to start to feel samey
and start to feel bland and boring. It's an interesting thing though,
because like I know of one successful channel, I'm not saying like, no, they're wrong to be very clear.
I just, I know one very successful channel that I watched from time to time
has a specific cadence to it.
Someone will be talking in a particular style,
and then they'll start talking in a different style. And when they switch to that other style,
the same track comes on every single time,
multiple times in a video and every single video,
and it works great. But that's a stylistic thing.
That is a stylistic thing. What if the lab's backtrack was the same every time?
Or what if there was like four so that there's like a few things
you could do with the previous one? I'm falling back to the same thing. Maybe they'd still hate it.
I don't know. I think like, yeah, I don't want us to trench in
on what we're doing, because what we're doing is so incredibly heavy and slow.
And I'm not talking ShortCircuit only, I'm talking practically everything.
Techlinked is still pretty lean. Fair.
Yeah, Techlinked is lean. And like some of the LTTs are reasonably lean.
Like looking back over the last little while, this video was a really cool one.
Unfortunately, it didn't perform that great. That thumbnail's confusing.
We've, it's gone through a few iterations. This is the best one we've got so far.
I don't know what to do to replace it. I have no ideas. Yeah, it is what it is at this point.
But it's tough. It's done what it's gonna do. But anyway, the point is that this was a really cool video.
This was not like a ridiculous amount of work.
This was pretty close to what like our old productions
might have been. Sure. We went into a cool place, we interviewed a cool guy,
we tried out a cool product and we said, peace out, see you later.
So we do, we do do them sometimes.
But I think we have a tendency to try to do it,
to try to make a Michael Bay sequel every time.
Like one of the things that I've toyed with in my mind, don't worry, I'm not gonna do it.
But one of the things I've toyed around with in my brain is what if we just deleted the entire channel?
And then start it over. Well, yeah, look, you're shaking your head out.
I'm pausing, I'm pausing, you can, I told you we're not gonna do it.
Because one of the things that like drives me nuts
is we'll pitch a video and I'll be like, Samson's did it, Samson's did it, except Samson's is us.
Like we're up to almost seven thousand videos. Yeah, you need to just stop doing that.
Just make it again. It's not that easy. Just do it.
No one cares. If you release the video like nine years ago,
you can release a new version of it now and it's fine.
That's also not necessarily even true. Like we have had instances where we've done a similar video
to what we've done in the past and it will have extremely low momentum
with our core returning audience, which will create a death spiral
of not promoting it to new years. How far back did you look?
How far back did I look? So this, you're talking,
maybe you don't remember or whatever, but... I mean, I'll have to dig up a specific example for you,
but there have been times when... No, I believe you there's been times. So I'm just wondering like...
Like years ago though, like it would have been a video from years prior.
Yeah, but how many years? I'd have to check. It's like there's, our backlog is so deep,
you could read a video from a decade ago. Oh, I know. Versus you could read you a video from three years ago.
Re-release it in HD and call it a remaster. Here's an example.
Here's an example. Thank you, Dan. I had missed Dan in this conversation.
No, you didn't. Here's an example. So PC build in a fridge, does it work?
I did this 10 years ago.
Do you think this video needs to be done again?
I don't know if it... I'm not saying it needs to be done again.
Should it be done again? Could it be done again? Would it be done again?
Did it be done again?
I really liked weird builds back when I was in the day.
I still really liked the Fallout Bomb PC.
The two parts of that got 1.3 million views. The comments on it are super, super positive.
I really liked doing those types of things.
I don't know if the current audience wants that.
They don't perform the way they used to. I also sometimes wonder if that's almost like audience
coaching, like something that I think has been bad. Ooh, do I talk about this?
Sure, I don't care. What's the worst that could happen?
You could alienate the Land Show viewership. You could destroy our relationship.
I think you'll only live once.
Yeah, let's send it. I think the, and I, oh man, I worried this.
I think the, I am an LTT viewer.
This is why has changed.
And I know there's the whole,
you know, I mean, you guys are still doing some things, like the $1,600 MSRP PC thing, okay, cool.
I think Liquid Metal killed my laptop now. What is a pretty cool video?
Sure. I think, however, that like, you know,
the M5 MacBook is on ShortCircuit.
It's not on LTT. If I am a, I watch LTT because I'm a tech person.
I like the entertainment and I like keeping up with,
I like the entertainment. I like learning new things now and then,
and I like keeping up with what's happening in the tech world. The keeping up with what's happening in the tech world
isn't really there anymore. No, I think it's moved over to TechLinked
in a big way when it comes to like news and announcements.
We didn't talk about, and I think that the product side has moved over to ShortCircuit in a big way.
And I don't think, I think those things can still happen.
Yeah, I do too. But I think they can be different experiences. So that's what's,
that's what kind of drives me crazy is like when we, when we broke out the additional channels,
the idea always was that it would be,
it was supposed to cover the same stuff,
but in a different style, in a different way, that is like non-preventative.
In practice, it hasn't really worked out that way for both logistical and also nonsensical reasons.
Like logistically, we're not gonna buy two Apple vision pros.
So only one team is gonna get to look at it at a time.
And if one team prepares both the ShortCircuit
and the LTT. It's gonna end up feeling same. You can kind of run into trouble.
And I think a great example of that is I sure agree with that.
The Xbox Alli-X, where Plouffe did a wonderful job of this ShortCircuit
that got just over a hundred thousand views,
making it one of the lowest performing in that cohort of video uploads.
That's rough. Whereas the LTT video.
The LTT one banged. Did, well, it didn't, it didn't bang.
The announcement one did. The announce one one hit.
And then by the time the review went up, the momentum around the Xbox Alli-X was a lot lower.
The excitement was like way lower. Like I don't think that's gonna happen
with the steam machine. Were you guys on lunch? I think the, yeah, oh yeah.
I think the steam machine is going to maintain that excitement and maintain that conversation
and maintain that momentum. But what happened was because Plouffe was actually
the writer for the LTT.
And because both he and I talked extensively
about our experience using it. You start to watch the ShortCircuit
after you've watched the LTT and you're like, I've already seen this story. Just because, and that's not because we're the same person
or that we're like afraid to disagree with each other across our different channels or whatever.
It's just because we're two kind of like-minded dudes who kind of work at the same place,
who kind of talked a lot about the devices and had an opportunity to,
because he convinced me of some things that I didn't feel.
And I convinced him of some things that he didn't feel. And so our opinions ended up pretty close.
Here we go, here we go. Okay. Yeah. With my setup for ShortCircuit.
Yeah. Young box, it basically, when it comes through the door.
Yep. If it's going to be Labs tested,
it's gonna need to be Labs tested for LTT ShortCircuit, whatever anyways.
So we can go to Labs for that and then it can go to the LTT team. So would you like to hear what the flow was supposed to be
when we started the lab? Sure. Every-
I genuinely don't know. Yeah, well, because it hasn't been relevant because it was never really,
it was never really, we never got anywhere near realizing this vision.
So the vision was supposed to be that the procurement team would get one of everything.
Like literally, 11, 14, 100 K, 14, 100 F CPU.
I do know this part. 14, 200. Okay, that's not a CPU, don't worry about it.
The point is they would get one of everything. If it was, they'd get it.
Literally everything. The reason that the lab is in the main inventory warehouse
is because things were supposed to go straight from the procurement door to the lab.
It was supposed to be tested before it even goes on a shelf.
So we would test it. Lab would do some analysis.
They would put up, so they would create a product page on the lab's website,
add it to our comparison database and do all of that stuff.
And then in that process, they would find diamonds in the rough
or they would find market underperformers
and that would go into, like that would be flagged.
I guess in air table, we didn't have air table yet, but currently that would be flagged in air table
and it would automatically go over to writer's meeting where we would once a week be going through, okay,
here's products that could be that are interesting
from both a standout and an underperforming perspective
for potential feature on ShortCircuit or LTT.
As we scaled that up across more verticals, we were supposed to have additional channels
that are completely dedicated to those individual product verticals,
CPU, GPU, monitor, power supply,
you know, whatever PSU circuit is, the first of, not because we thought it would get
the most views or because we thought it was worth putting the most resources into,
but because we thought it would be relatively simple to templatize the production of it.
Because they're all the same shape and size and stuff. Well established vertical for us at the time
and Lucas had a good grip on it. Exactly.
So then from there, the idea wasn't that Labs
would go and have to do like a bunch of work for that ShortCircuit or for that LTT to be made.
The idea behind it was that they had already done the work for the website and for ShortCircuit,
the host would simply pull up, you know, with AeroSnap,
they'd have the manufacturer website on the one side, they'd have the Labs article on the other side,
they'd read through it and they would do either an informed unboxing.
As I guess, I don't think I've ever phrased it that way before.
I've always kind of called it unboxing plus, but what it's supposed to be is an informed unboxing
and not just informed by the manufacturer,
but informed by like some independently validated data.
And then it just kind of, it kind of got confusing
at some point. That vision's also like. Optimistic.
Yes. I know. I mean.
Oh, yeah, no, no, it's super wise.
Oh, I know. Okay. No, no, no, no, I know. Okay.
I know. I was like, bro. However. For like a few years from that now.
I mean, but I never said do it tomorrow. Oh, no, yeah, for sure.
You know, like it was, but that was the ultimate goal. I also think one of the kind of like flaws there,
if I can poke at it a little bit, is the currently most interesting products for people,
as far as I can tell, are either, you know,
mainline CPU GPU.
Cool. We have a launch every two years. So whatever.
Outside of that, it's phones, laptops, handhelds.
It's extremely complicated.
Yeah, fair enough. It's extremely complicated devices that include pretty much the entire testing suite
and take a very long time to test. And I know you can say,
I want a lot of things to be super automated. Great. There are parts of this that are not really gonna get there.
No, 100%. Display testing is going to be horrible forever.
And I can tell you right now, like that's a- In regards to time and stuff.
That's a big part of the reason that I think we ultimately made the mistake.
I mean, I don't think there's any way to sugarcoat it, right? I think that's a big part of why we ultimately
made the mistake of branching out into so many verticals at once.
Because we recognized exactly that,
that the direction we were going was these tightly integrated devices.
And recognized that if we didn't have a CPU test suite,
and a GPU test suite, and a display test suite, and a battery life testing suite,
then we weren't gonna be able to test anything that people would care about.
We needed literally all of them.
And that sucks.
Yeah. And it makes the lift of testing a lot of this stuff.
Like you're talking- It's enormous. Every single thing through the door, when there's so many phones, and laptops, and things.
And there's so many of those that no one will ever care
about no matter what. Does not matter.
And yes, there will be diamonds in the rough, but you're digging through a lot of rough
to find very small diamonds. Yeah, I mean-
That was the hope.
It came from, I can tell you, it came from a good place.
Yeah, and I think we've somewhat, he's talking, this was the original direction.
We've somewhat shifted now. We still have some of that identity,
and there's still some of that identity that we will be actualizing.
And if we could do that in the longer term,
I think there are verticals where it is realistic. With certain things, I do think it'll happen.
We're not completely jumping off ship. I think we could have a database of every GPU.
GPU is probably one of the ones that I think make more sense.
CPU gets a little sketch when it comes to like,
biosettings and little weird other things that go on. GPU, but like, I think we can also get there
with CPU to be clear. Yeah, I think so too. It's just a little further out, I think.
I think so. But GPU I think is probably the first one that that vision could be realized with.
I think there's even other really cool things we could do with GPUs like you've talked about.
I think power supply could be done. I think that it will be very challenging
to parallelize the testing because unless we buy another power supply tester.
I don't think it's ever gonna be worth it, personally. Yeah, we're effectively stuck at about one a week,
I think, right? So be throughput capped. Well, part of that is that it's all Lucas.
So we need someone else to... I thought he told me that just running all the routines
takes like days and then if they fail,
we have to do them again on another one. So it just like, it takes about a week, he told me.
Sounds realistic. I haven't dove into that significantly because my bigger bottleneck has been just him as a person.
Cause he's great. So I need him doing other things as well.
So we need like a mini Lucas who can do power supply stuff. Tordirk says just clone Lucas, next problem.
Where are we gonna get enough biomass? Well, yeah. And then...
Have you seen how tall this man is? He doesn't fit inside the machine. Doesn't work.
Dude, we were getting on a plane recently and when we were standing on the, is it called like,
what is it called? The little bridge between the big bridge and the plane.
The little bridge that has like the netting on the side.
Let's call it a little bridge with netting on the side. I love it. The gangway, the jet bridge.
Not the big jet bridge though. Just the little one that goes from the big jet bridge
to the plane. We don't know what you're talking about. We don't have a specific name, whatever.
Anyways. Yeah. We're standing. The line of size bridge.
He was standing on that and his head was over the top of the plane.
Yeah. I'm going to pretend to be surprised,
but this is someone for me to converse with.
I literally need to like expose my jugular.
It's literal submission.
Oh no. Anyways, that was pretty epic.
Anyway, I don't think anything's off the table in terms of, you know, how we can optimize the,
you know, optimize our workflows and try to deliver the content you guys want to watch, right?
One of the things is, you know, in the wake of things,
we did a lot of process adding. And I think we need to look at entire systems
beginning to end and reevaluate how things flow through them
with the idea of basically to a certain degree,
and this is going to sound scary to people, but to a certain degree, like starting over,
with how things flow through the company. I'm not saying delete the channel.
I'm not saying delete anything. No, don't do that.
I actually have that power. I would rather you just leave it and make LTT too,
but that would also be incredibly stupid and you shouldn't do either of them.
But why would you just, so Dom, don't do that.
But like, yeah, because there's so many process loops.
And like there will be, you know, with the MacBook video, with the low power mode thing,
there was comments like, it's okay, they'll add another process and catch this next time.
And it's like, cool, man, but...
Also, no, if anything, I think we have like too many processes.
And I think we're at the point where we have so many processes that the fact that we have
so many processes is starting to introduce errors.
However, so like that one was a pretty unique example,
actually, because it's a MacBook. So I don't daily drive macOS, which we know,
but what was new about it, very little of it was actually the macOS part.
The new thing about it was that it had a new processor, which I have, I'm perfectly comfortable talking about.
And so that's a video where without the pre-testing,
I would have had damn near nothing to say even.
Like they didn't change the keyboard. They didn't change the display.
They changed practically nothing on the machine
other than what Labs tested. I did, I did.
So the only one I've done was the Apple Vision Pro.
Yeah. And I found that personally... That's a hyper experiential device though.
Personally, the one pager was not particularly useful.
No, it wouldn't be. I basically never looked at it. However, I can tell you,
you wouldn't have survived shooting the MacBook M5
without the one pager. No, I know what I'm saying is there is an ignorance gap here
because I haven't done a... So it's tough. Labs heavy one pager or a device like you're describing,
where the difference is almost purely performance.
Well, no. It's non-cosmetic is a big part of a problem.
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I can comment on transparent elements
in the updated macOS a little bit, not much though.
Is it acceptable? If that is just a bit of a weird video
where the lab's performance portion of that video
is a lot longer. Every process. The unboxing one is shorter.
That has like an exception path. No, I don't think it's an exception path.
Oh, you don't think so? I think you... And let me explain, because I understand why you would say that,
that makes sense, but let me kind of restart here for a second.
So I don't think anything changes in the process, but if you just don't have a ton to say,
you open the laptop, say what you do have to say,
and then go, this is a mostly performance change. So good luck lab and toss it off.
And then we have a longer portion of the video. It doesn't actually change.
It's not a process change. It doesn't change the flow. Everything happens exactly the same.
But it's just, you know, if the important part is a performance,
there's more lab stuff. Basically the lab section scales
by how important the performance section of it is, all the way down to zero,
because there are some devices that just don't get it, because there is no performance aspect
with some of the things on ShortCircuit. And it can scale up if there's more, not to a hundred.
But then, okay, hear me out. Why did we even bother to shoot with the host?
Why doesn't Labs just do the ShortCircuit?
That's his ultimate plan.
He's taking over. He wants to be the L in LMG.
No, this is a coup.
I finally figured it out. I'm on to you. You're about to coup me.
Yep. LMG, it's mine.
LTT, it's mine. LTT Store, it's mine.
LTTlabs.com, it's mine. That's why you named himself Luke. It's all mine.
No, I think it can scale.
And like, okay, that is an interesting point, but...
Like here, let's have a look at the channel. I don't want to make it where it's a process change,
but I do wonder like... So this is one. This is one that... That should for sure not be lab hosted.
Well, okay, hold on, hold on a second, because I...
There's so much subjective when it comes to mics. There is, but I would make the argument
that the subjectivity only matters once this product surpasses a certain threshold
of objective goodness. So a mouse is...
A mouse can only be relevant at all
if it's like not a complete... Because this is a gaming mouse. Remember, this is specifically a gaming mouse.
So unless it's tracking is on par and latency,
is on par with the rest of the industry, and to be clear, this is a Pro X Superlight 2C.
I'm sure it's fine, but if it isn't fine,
then we basically need to establish that first. There's a ton of startups in the mice space.
And then we can get into the subjectivity, right?
So sometimes, I guess the point I'm trying to make is sometimes the order of operations
is not necessarily even the same.
Like a monitor, I think there's a fair bit you can talk about.
You can unbox it. You can talk about the size, the display technology.
You can talk about if it has some cool aesthetic,
sort of RGB on the back. Oh, we have the all transparent PC coming on LTT.
Everything's clear. Old school acrylic case.
Acrylic case power supply, okay?
It's been a while. Water cooling, of course, with acrylic hardline tubing.
A full acrylic desk made of like inch and a half thick...
Sometimes you guys go so far with things.
We found a monitor. Did you need the desk? With an acrylic back.
We borrowed the desk, so it wasn't actually that much work. Was that one of those like prison ones?
No. No, it's just an ASUS gaming monitor. They did one with an acrylic back.
It looks so cool. Anyway, sorry. That is sick. So yeah, is there a cool aesthetic thing?
And then you can kind of hand over to Labs. But like, it just...
So what you're saying is right now that it doesn't seem like it works with every vertical...
Cause I want to keep working on this. Cause we need to find more efficient ways to flow.
But even this one's kind of tough, right? Because, okay, do I hand off to Labs
first before I game on it and give my impressions
and then do we come back to me gaming on it
and I'm just talking about how it feels pretty good, man.
Or do I game on it for a bit and then I hand it off to Labs for their objective analysis?
Either way, either order, we could end up with conflicting information,
which I don't love. It's not clean. I don't, yeah.
And that's nothing against Ploof. I mean, this man, he owns a display.
He does own a display. He does own a display.
And so... I think you might own more than one. You know what?
We actually have that video coming too. He might have been lying to us cause he said A display.
Nick Ploof. He's a man who owns displays. Officially owns two displays.
He bought one for $70 for Whale Land.
And we did a full LTT on it. On his journey of discovering
that he wants a monitor that's easier to move
and is better for lands. That might not want to, he might be sketched out on moving his nice one.
And that he found out could be obtained for as little as $70 US
for a perfectly Cromulant gaming monitor. Cromulant.
Do you have one of those Rockat monitor carrying bags?
No, but that sounds amazing. Oh, I've got one at my desk.
Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Well, it's not actually mine.
It's technically Derris's, but I have one somewhere as well. Excellent.
Yeah. Like, I don't know what you can say
about a pair of headphones. Honestly, I didn't want to bring it up because I'm trying to get this idea moving,
but I saw that thumbnail and was like, hmm.
Yeah. But here's a thing.
Here's a, here's a, hmm, here's a thing.
The headphones vertical. And I understand you're going to give pushback
because you're like, that's right now. That's that person. That's an individual thing.
That's not the whole, those are all fair comments. Yeah. But we could have just the same person do the whole thing.
I mean, that's, yeah, but I mean, there are complications with that right now.
Mr, Mr. Or, well, let's talk about that offline.
Sure. Yeah, okay. It might be even easier though. Okay.
All right. We can talk about it later and I understand.
But like, and like there's certain stuff that Labs doesn't even need to touch.
I don't need Labs to tell me about this phone controller. I'm just going to use it.
What? We could talk about input latency.
We could talk about. Yeah, but I don't care because if I'm seriously gaming,
I'm not using a phone because I'm not a Gen Alpha. Yeah, but that might be a problem with your ability
to relate to the young children. No, no, no.
They're sixes and they're sevens and they're... You're honestly not even, you're not even wrong.
Yeah. You're not even wrong. Cause that actually, I mean,
that got more views than I expected. Yeah, I know, right? Yeah.
It's kind of funky. I'm not good.
Sure. But like... Where's my thing?
Yeah, let's go. But there's just, there's a bunch of stuff and like, okay.
So I do, I do want to figure something out. I honestly like that there was holes poked in the idea,
but it doesn't necessarily seem like it's completely gone at least.
There's ways to cook. You know what else is not completely gone? All the topics we're supposed to get through
on the land show here. But yeah, I think we got to get back to six on LTT.
I think one of those ways is bringing back reviews. Six. Or maybe seven.
Yeah. Maybe seven. It's officially not cool anymore.
Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome. It rents.
I think it's been not cool for like a while. Yeah. Now there's a time to start using it then.
But now, hold the line. So it's officially not cool.
Nice. It wasn't official before. Are your kids saying that now?
No. No, they don't care? No, nice.
They're not really allowed like social media apps.
So... Nice, good. Yeah. Awesome.
They don't really like... Great parenting. See this crap. I am being serious just to be clear.
Yeah. They'll pick it up occasionally at school and stuff.
Yeah, sure. Yeah, of course. That are just scrolling brain rot.
Yeah. That sucks.
All right. Floatplane announcement is what the thing
above Dan's monitor says. Oh, fun. We know that you're hungry
for the Linus Torvalds collab video to come out.
It's gonna take some time to cook. But what we can provide is some teasers from the day
as well as some footage snippets.
This is one example that we have over on Floatplane.
LMG staff hangs out with Linus Torvalds after the shoot.
If you wanna get some idea of how cool other Linus is,
literally no one dared.
No one dared to press this button. It's really unnecessary to go do it right now, by the way.
You really don't have to do that. They generally don't. The Floatplane audience is like actually not like f*** ups.
So it's pretty cool. Yeah.
Yeah, based, thank you for that. Anyway, people are freaking loving it.
So just again, I've talked about this already,
but he was so generous with his time. He just hung around and chatted with our staff
for basically as long as they wanted to chat with him. And it was flipping awesome.
It was such a cool experience for people here. Like honestly, it was one of those things
that makes me proud as an employer to even run a place that was cool enough
to have a guest that was a big deal enough that people on our staff get this one-on-one experience
with him because he was willing to come to our building. It's like, how insane is that?
He doesn't see it that way, I don't think. No, probably not. At all, but I do.
It was amazing. Anyway, so that's one of the Floatplane exclusives
that we have. We also have apparently the first 10 minutes
of the Linus Torvalds collab.
Worked hard to get the first 10 minutes of our highly anticipated collab video.
I don't know if I wanna play this. What? Oh, whoa, there he is signing my copy
of his autobiography though, so that's pretty cool. Oh, so did we actually edit it?
Oh, interesting. You know what, no audio. No audio. You're gonna have to subscribe to Floatplane.
That is intriguing. My god.
It's good.
It looks awesome! Smell the drinks.
Have you tried it? Did you like this video, or have you watched it before?
It looks romantic. Yeah, music, you know what? It's so wonderful, but in my opinion,
yourÐµÑÑÑ dÃ©pied well. weekend videos uploaded to Floatplane, thanks to Plufu on the display, and our
editors Peter and Tyson. It says, open the link and make it live on
Deathstream. How is Elijah as brainwrought as he is and as high
functioning as he is? Isn't this Sammy? Did I say Elijah? Sorry, I meant Sammy. Yeah.
Yeah. No, not Elijah. Elijah's... No, I know. Yeah, we understand why Elijah's the way he is.
Sammy, it's confusing. Yeah. Yeah. So, okay, here it is. Oh, yeah, here it is.
Pluf's second display that he owns. That's actually awesome. I'm gonna add that.
Pluf owns a second display. Yeah. No, he can't say that he owns a display.
He has to say that he owns displays. Truly, a great day for Canada and therefore the world.
Okay. And it's live. Cool. So, that's up. And so, yeah, we're trying to do a little bit more
early access, which is kind of neat. We're also... Oh, this is going up. Oh! We're doing another deep
fake and generated video, which you know about because Nick from the lab has been deeply pun intended,
involved in the creation of this. Yeah. Apparently, that's also going up right now. Boom!
And boom. Nice. Noice. Some of that is wild. Oh, it's pretty cool. And if you like, know me well.
You know, you would look at it and you'd go... Dude, there's parts of it that are close.
But also that. But yeah, you can tell. But you can tell, like you said, if you know people...
Like, man, people will send me clips of like, oh my God, someone dubbed Linus' audio. It sounds
just like him. It'll sound like like a Boston accent to me. And I'm like, what are you talking
about? It doesn't sound like Linus at all. But I don't know. Oh, cool. I am logged into Twitter
right now. Someone sent me... Someone sent me this. Oh, because I probably logged in for the show
at some point. No, no, I'm going to bring it up. Nano Banana Pro. I haven't actually played around
with this particular image editor, but someone just sent me a shot of me building a computer
with N-Hathaway. Nice. That is surprisingly convincing. Like, this was one that in this,
at this size, when I first looked at it, like initial glance, I went, I don't remember collabing
with this person. I didn't actually recognize them as N-Hathaway yet. But I was just like,
that's weird. I don't remember. I don't remember that set. And I don't, wait, no, yeah, we've never
made that shirt. Oh, this is AI. But it took me, it took me more than half a second. When I glanced
over, yeah, I moved away from the mic. Sorry. When I glanced over, I first thought like, really,
he's going to promote like someone's tweet of a video collab. That's a weird way to do that.
And then when I saw it over there, I was like, oh yeah, it's just not real. You can kind of tell in
your face. It's pretty good. You can kind of tell. My teeth aren't right. But it's like,
it's nailed the earrings. It's nailed the old hairstyle. It's the old, it's my younger Linus
hairstyle on my older Linus face. So there's little things like that. But the hands are pretty
good. It even has my wedding band, which is pretty wild. You would never wear an anti-static strap.
I have fake news. I have fake news. At times. The continuity of things is somewhat kind of
believable in some cases. Like that looks like a real tool. What is that? Not one for building PCs,
but a tool of some sort. What is that like blue thing on the mat? I think that's a measuring tape.
It doesn't know what tools people use for building PCs. It doesn't know what exactly PC,
like desktop PC cables look like, but this could look like an electronics cable of some sort.
This too, somewhat believable. It screwed up where GPUs go because they go more up here
and less like right against the bottom grill of a PC. The case looks pretty good though.
The case looks pretty believable. I can see the bottom of the case looking like that.
All the logos are pretty good for the most part. This looks a little funky. It's trying to do
shiny and it doesn't really know how to handle the lighting. To me, honestly, when you zoomed in
there, it felt like they were trying to do like a wafer texture. Oh, okay. Yeah, sure.
The hands though. They're not bad. This pinky looks a little off, but it also just looks like
she could kind of have it up here like that. Yeah. This is a little weird. No, it's just
squished against the fan. But not that weird. Man, anyway, so the video is about
following up the one we did five years ago where we deep faked me on ShortCircuit and then made
the LTT about how we did it. The main focus this time is, hey, that thing we did before,
you can totally still do that. By the way, it's way easier. Way easier. And it's not necessarily
easy to do like what we did where I... Did we end up using the clips where I juggle computers?
I can't remember. Oh, yeah, those things might be a little bit more difficult. I've heard the
argument of like doing this first frame, last frame thing, isn't going to be viable. I think that is
so completely wrong. What do you mean by viable? I've heard an argument say, okay, so this idea is
you get the first frame and the last frame, and then you can kind of gen the things between it.
My argument is that I think the way a lot of this is going to be used is to change
things that exist, which is exactly how that would work. Oh, so when you say... So people are
saying it won't be viable to get a first frame and a last frame to make someone do something that
they wouldn't do. No, I... That is absolutely a thing. I totally agree, especially because most
of what it's being used for right now by scammers is to make people say something that they didn't
say. And if all you need is a frame of them sitting in a place with their mouth closed,
you could even use the same frame for your first and last frame. So we did end up going full
challenge. So we don't have to have the audio playing, but basically the first line is,
my mom always told me that building a computer is not enough. You have to learn to juggle computers.
Crazy. That's crazy. That's why I take Linus pills. And like, I can tell here for sure,
but that's great. Like your... Yeah, the mouth was a little weird there. You morph here. In my
opinion, it gets you confused and like you turn it to David right there, right there right at the
end when you're walking through the door. You're like physiology changes. Yeah. But this is crazy,
dude. That's crazy, man. It's actually nuts. Again, I can tell, but like, oh, not by a ton.
And if I wasn't really paying attention, if it was side monitor content, whatever,
I might not really have noticed. That's what we're kind of hoping to get people with when
this goes live on YouTube, is if they're not like really paying attention.
It's like, wait, what? Yeah. And with the idea being that we're kind of
highlighting how good it's gotten and also just again, how easy it's gotten.
The last... Stay the passive. This isn't very well done either.
This can be made perfectly. I haven't seen one ever. So I don't necessarily agree.
Perfectly? Yeah, I don't agree with that. Yeah, I don't. I've never seen one done perfectly. I'd
love to see it. Stay the passive. If you want to go ahead and throw that in the chat, we'd love
to check out. Yeah. You don't know when you don't know. But like, you need to give...
You have to give an example. And remember, it's a lot simpler
to do something where somebody's just sitting. That might look so convincing that you would say,
oh yeah, that generated video looks perfect. But something where people move and interact with
other objects and stuff. Okay. Well, it's the... You can't prove me wrong argument.
Yeah, that's not how that works. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim.
That's a fundamental law of arguments. Yeah. Okay. Also, in other news, we have...
What is with all these Floatplane exclusives he has me announcing? James's theater room is better
than Linus's. Linus never invited me to his theater room. That is so not true. I never did.
That is 100% not true. The theater room was part of lands and pool parties at my house
Sammy wasn't invited. Sammy was 100% invited. There was a footnote on the invite that specifically
said, if your name is Sammy, you're not invited. It was pretty explicit. Specifically not true.
It was pretty explicit. Yeah. Anyway, the... It's in the handbook actually.
Page four, subsection six.
See, Dan knows it off dome because he has to keep Sammy away from things all the time.
Yeah, it's actually part of my responsibilities. You guys are ridiculous.
In other Floatplane news... Just like Sammy, if you let him in a theater room, it gets ugly.
In other Floatplane news, we are going to be having a price increase on Floatplane, but the
dock that I am supposed to... I can figure this out. I can share it for if you want.
I do not have access to. So I would love to walk you guys through how it's going to work,
but I cannot. So in the meantime, why don't I run through our sponsors
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should be shared on it. You just offered to handy me your phone? Yes. Nice. Nice. All right. We've
talked about it. We've tased it. We're finally doing it. The price of a monthly Floatplane
subscription is going up. But before you freak out, yeah, no, not for you Floatplane subscribers.
Both OGs and current full rate subscribers will be not affected by the price increase as long as they
do not cancel and re-subscribe. So how's this going to work? If you are a new or returning
subscriber, the new prices will be 799 US dollars for the supporter tier and 1299 US dollars for the
supporter plus tier effective December 31st. That's right. If you are a subscriber before December
31st, you can lock in at our legacy rates of 5 and 10 dollars for the two tiers respectively.
So you can go to LMG.GG slash Floatplane right now to sign up.
One quick sec. Katowice already pointed this out. We only talk about monthly prices here.
There will be yearly ones as well. Yeah. Yes, you are still grandfathered if you're on the yearly
plan. It'll be okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's not. You don't have to switch to a monthly plan. No. No,
and our yearly rates are just derived from our monthly rates. Yeah. So it'll be fine. Well,
I don't want to say anything. You guys technically set the prices on full plane. It's up to the
creator to set the prices. But I think what you guys did was 10 months effectively. I think so.
Yeah. So like a $10 tier right now is $100 for the year because it's factored at 10 months.
So it's not times 12. It's times 10. I don't know for sure that it'll be that way because I
actually don't know what the annual rate is, but probably. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Why? Well,
there are three reasons. One was we took so long to do this because we had to wait until we had a
clear roadmap for what Floatplane would look like in 2026 and beyond. You've seen some hints of it,
like early access for big series like Scrapyard Wars and Secret Shopper. You've seen Black Friday,
Cyber Monday, Early Access to Deals. You've seen exciting Floatplane exclusives like the Jimmy
Fallon vlog, the Why is When late series, not to mention our themed weeks like Luke Week 2,
which is coming in December. And now we're ready to bring more features such as Early Access for
some LTT videos as well as badges. We do have more features in development, but we'll publicly
announce them when they are closer to completion. Reason number the second for why now. We wanted
to time the announcement so that folks could join at the old pricing during the best time to get
deals on stuff, Black Friday, Cyber Monday. This gives new subscribers early access to
LTT Store deals on November 27th. Oh, did I just announce when our Black Friday deals are going
live? I guess. I guess I did. I didn't realize. Alongside the four amazing Linus Torvalds exclusives
that we have up right now on Floatplane, including the first 10 minutes of the main video. If you've
been on the fence for a while, we wanted to give you one more opportunity to get in at the best
possible time and price. Reason number three for why we're doing this. Creating videos and
running a hosting platform. They don't have the same costs yesterday year and this year.
And neither do some of the major investments that we're making into content
in the coming year, like the tech house and one other quite large one that we have not
announced yet. Some other time. Some other time. Not today. But as we're sticking to,
I'm going to insert here. Go slightly off script. Sorry, Sammy. Don't forget what I got this. We're
all good. Nice. I love off script plan show. Yeah. Brace yourself, Dan. Yeah. No, it'll be fine.
We committed a long time ago to not increase the prices on people that were sticking around
and that includes the OG tier, which is not getting affected by this at all in any way.
So hold on. I don't know that for sure. We have allowed OGs to unsubscribe and resubscribe
at the OG rate in the past. We have. I don't know if that is the case anymore,
so I'm going to have to get you guys an answer on that. They can be separate.
They can be separate. So it depends on the business logic. Oh, I know they can,
but I don't know if we are, I don't know if we're committed. Have we committed to that?
I, oh, I actually don't know. I don't technically know, but we should not change it if we committed
to it. So yeah, we need to figure out if we've committed to it, but I didn't see it messaged
clearly in here. So I was leaving it intentionally ambiguous for now while I go back and find out.
Yeah, we shouldn't change how we treat OGs.
Why no annual plan for the OGs? There are complications there. And it's already discounted.
So it's already cheaper than the annual plan. Well, okay, but that's not entirely,
there are reasons why it might be better for it. Like people have pointed out for the OG tier,
you could do a 12 month yearly plan so that they don't get the discount for the yearly,
but it's still better for certain people in certain areas because getting dinged for currency
conversions and certain other things might be really beneficial. It's also technically beneficial
for us. Oh, I know it's beneficial for us because we wouldn't get a significant amount of payment
processor charges. But I thought there was a technical reason why it was really challenging.
There is that might be no longer a thing fairly soon. I don't know. We're planning on looking
at payments again soon here. This is great. Ed Zeem says every OG is now going back through
hours of WAN shows for proof. Yeah, so if we committed to that in the past, we're not messing
with OGs. We're not going to change how we treat them. And we're not messing with anyone who is
already subscribed. You will not get a price increase. And to be clear on a technical level,
because of technical errors that might result in cancellations and stuff like
if you run into a problem with contact support. Yeah. Anyway, carrying on. We've kept our prices
steady for a really long time. I think the last time we increased them was, shoot, I think that
was in an earlier version of the draft for this. I don't remember. So I'm not going to say anything.
No, I think it was 2018. Was that the last time we increased pricing?
I don't remember. Don't worry about it. Anyway, we've kept our pricing steady for a long time
while our costs have risen. But at some point, we're shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't
try to catch up and looking at other paid subscription platforms like Patreon,
we don't feel that the new rates are out of line. With all that said, all of that said,
we know that times are tough for many people out there right now. And we are always consistent
in telling people, choose yourself over our extra content. Priorities, food on the table,
roof over the head, cool LMG extras and merch in that order. We also plan on uploading this
segment to our clips channel, LMG Clips. Was the plan for this to be a video? Well, anyway.
Thank you. Oh, right. I guess I just did it. Thank you, everyone, for supporting Floatplane
and the rest of the LMG team. If you guys want to subscribe, it's a great time. LMG.GG slash
Floatplane. Dart24 said, yes, you said OG could unsubscribe and resub at OG tier. We'll figure
that out. I'm pretty sure we did. I think we might have put a fixed grace period on it. Like,
it might be like three months or something. But either way, we're not going to take anything back
from the OG tier. It's not how we roll. It's not going to happen. That's not the trust me, bro,
guarantee. And we have been dealing with it that way. So I think it makes sense to keep it going
that way. I don't know if it's like literally forever, but it might be. This one might not
operate that way. I don't think this one does. This one explicitly does not. Yeah, okay. If you are
subscribed at a $5 tier right now. The OG tier is a special thing. You are locking that in and you
don't resubscribe at that tier. It is new. If you are a new subscriber after December 31st,
or a returning subscriber, it will be at the new rate. That I know for sure.
There's some people asking what the OG tier is or how you even get it and whatever.
So the way you got it was by subscribing to Floatplane on the LTT forum.
And then transferring, this part was actually important because you had to transfer over
to the Floatplane site before a certain date. The window was pretty big.
And because Floatplane was technically a separate legal entity and run through a
different payment processor, we couldn't just migrate it automatically. So in order to reduce
the amount of attrition from asking people to like re-input their payment methods and sign up
on a new website. And just purely banking people for dealing with it in the state it was on the
forum. Yeah, we made it very affordable. Yeah.
We get OG badges. The badges stuff is a feature that the Floatplane team is making.
It will appear in a variety of ways throughout the platform, chat and comments, and how it gets
managed is a little bit currently still up in the air. It's a feature that's coming.
It's, you're not going to be able to display an infinite amount of badges. So we're going to
have to decide how many you can show at a time. There might be a difference between that number
for live or comments or something. Not necessarily sure. You might get badges for a variety of
different things. We'll probably go with the classic like has been subscribed for X number of months
scaling badge that like changes based on how many months that is. There will probably be an OG badge.
It would make sense if you got different badges for being around at certain times,
potentially, or whatever. There's lots of examples of how this is handled all throughout the
internet. So we will learn from those. But yeah, badges are coming.
Ninja Man Away has a really good question. Will we still be able to temporarily change plans?
For one of the events you ran, you had to go to a higher tier for the behind the scenes and event
footage. Is that still an option? I don't want to give you an answer for that right now. We need
to figure that out because I'm, I'm not sure. Like at your locked in rate kind of thing.
Yeah, the way. Yeah, I don't think we should give an answer on that today. I should check with
Coltman. I have a strong idea of how that would work, but I will refrain until we figure it out.
Yeah, that's a great, that's a really great question though. It is a great question. Yeah.
Rip Vessel by East One. Rip Vessel indeed. Still wear my Vessel shirt every once in a while.
Oh wait, no, I'm thinking of my Gibo shirt. I used to have my Vessel shirt in my, in my PGA.
My Vessel shirt is lost. It makes me very sad, but I still have my Vessel Tooke.
Dude, I, okay. That's why I had Vessel on the mind. I wore my Vessel Tooke a week ago.
Yeah, we went to see this like Christmas lights display at Bear Creek Park and I was wearing
my Vessel Tooke. I was like, yo, this is so cool and nobody knows.
Yeah. All right. Something that's not as cool. We have an update on Rebels Attempted
Collaboration with Core Devices, aka Pebble. So there's some, there's some, some smartwatch drama.
Pebble, the once discontinued, well first acquired by Google, or acquired by,
acquired by Fitbit, which was then acquired by Google, I think is how it went. Feel free to
correct me if I'm wrong in the comments, but ultimately discontinued. The once discontinued
fan favorite smartwatch seemed to be thriving after its revival until a rift opened between
Core Devices, the new hardware company that's led by Pebble founder, Eric Mijukowski, and Rebel,
the volunteer non-profit that has kept Pebble's cloud services, app store, and developer ecosystem
alive since 2018. Just weeks ago, the two groups publicly announced a partnership. Core would build
a modern app store portal, or a modern app store front end for its new watches. Rebel would continue
running the backend services and developer portal, and together they would support the entire ecosystem
old and new. But that agreement quickly fell apart over who should control the roughly 13,000
legacy apps and watch faces that were originally uploaded to Pebble's store before the company
shut down. Rebel says that Core demanded unrestricted rights to the entire data set,
potentially allowing Core to build a closed, core-only app store and leave the non-profit that
maintained the platform behind, and they also claim that after delaying a scheduled meeting,
Eric scraped their servers in violation of a previous agreement about data access.
Core, meanwhile, disputes this claim. They argue that the apps were created by individual developers,
not by Rebel, and that they shouldn't be locked behind any one organization after Pebble's collapse.
Eric says the goal is a neutral public archive, ideally on something like archive.org,
so that the ecosystem can't be held hostage by a single gatekeeper.
After the scraping accusation, Eric claims that he built a web app to allow him an easier
time browsing watch faces, only showing screenshots and allowing him to click on them.
Apparently, it did not download any data.
I don't think, you know, I don't have personal relationships with any of the people involved
in this. I had one quick call with Eric when he said that they were bringing it back, and I
was I in contact with anyone from Rebel? I don't know, but I thought the project was super cool,
so other than that, other than thinking it's super cool, I don't really have a major horse in
this race between the two of them, but the race that I do have a horse in is that, overall,
I think Pebble and the mission is super cool. I think the Rebel group is super cool the way that
they maintained this and made these devices usable for folks when official support was dropped.
By Google, I think that's all super cool. I would like to ask Plead, even, in the nicest
way that I possibly can for y'all to please find a way to get along, because I think y'all are
really great. Hopefully, this is a misunderstanding. I actually have my new Pebble right here that I have
just been kind of dragging my butt on getting installed and getting on my wrist, but I'm
going to do it. I'm going to do it this weekend. I want to feel good about it. I want to feel good
about supporting these devices. It's going to be sick, and please all be chill and get along.
Is Dan the one leaving a comment asking about those questions people had? Dan,
is that what you're doing? Pardon? On the Floatplane price. You highlighted the float
plane price increase announcement. Oh, I was just striking it through because we finished it.
Oh, neat. Okay. Well, I'm going to leave a comment. Yeah, cool. I can do the next topic if you want
to do that. Sure. Let me find one. Microsoft will appeal a ruling against them in the UK.
Microsoft will appeal to the UK competition appeal tribunal for a ruling against Microsoft,
which states that consumers are allowed to resell licenses such as Windows or office licenses.
This ruling came into effect in 2021 when a UK-based business named Value Licensing sued
Microsoft over the ability to redistribute licensed products from them. The case is far from over
as Microsoft continues to battle this decision, but if Microsoft loses,
it will have to pay Â£270 million. Okay, yeah, we did the same thing in damages to value licensing.
Yeah, crazy. Discussion for a company that seems to be okay with how much people pirate
slash get Windows licenses is free anyways, except for apparently, hold on. Actually, no.
They just closed a loophole for that. Recent news. Yeah. That's like maybe the next
topic. Actually, yeah, it could be. Why is Microsoft putting so much effort into this? Maybe
because they're pulling back on it. Yeah, it seems like they're getting less chill about people just
running the software and activating it with a tool that they quickly grabbed on GitHub or
realistically, not even a tool. It's just the command you run. Speaking of which,
this is, well, no, I want to talk about this. The reason that I highlighted this was this could be
a game changer. No, no, this, the thing you just said. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like,
this could be wild. Maybe I'm misunderstanding here, but is this
basically a the UK competition appeal tribunal? Is this is this basically them saying that as a
consumer, I should be able to resell software that I only that I only licensed because that changes
everything. Would that apply to steam games? Why not? That could be huge and very excited.
Console console games. It's interesting. It's very interesting. Like, we should be able to exactly
and am white in Floatplane chat. I believe that if I bought a copy of Doom Eternal and I'm done
with it, I should be able to sell it. And it's about time. It's about time that some legal
was really lucky. Yeah, it's empty. It's about time that some legal entity agreed with that.
And the way that software companies have always hidden from this is that it's a license. You
didn't purchase it. You licensed it. Well, so what? Now they're going to license it. I'm done licensing
it now. Am I am I missing something here? Or is this is this potentially a crack in the armor
that could be crowbarred into and wedged open here? Yeah. Yeah. Pankrats in chat. David Pankrats
brings up that physical copies of games were also licenses weren't they? I think it was a
license to the the software that was on the physical copy. Yeah. Yeah. And yet those could be sold.
Yeah, man. The ramifications of this on the gaming industry will be if this happens the ramifications
of this mostly on the gaming industry will be really interesting and potentially like extremely
destructive. But we'll see. We'll see how that goes. I do wonder how much this would turn into
Oh, man. People might not want to hear this. I think this would turn into a lot of perverse
incentives for developers subscription subscriptions live service things paid timed access. Like
maybe you can play part of a game, but the really good part is only accessible if you pay for a
certain period of time. It's effectively like put in a token like an old arcade machine.
Oh, because honestly, if you like this, this would also create a weird incentive for gamers
because you talk about do maternal, right? So what if you book two days off of work,
you buy do maternal, you beat the whole thing immediately and put it up on the market for
five dollars less than the full price. There is no degradation in quality in your version of the
license because like if you're buying a crazy idea, what if you commercialized the idea? What
if you got a small storefront and you put little boxes on all of the shelves, right? And in each
of them you had some kind of physical representation of the game. No, hear me out. This is a crazy
business model. It's not you could even say it's a blockbuster business model. Okay, people come
through the door. They can browse. They can browse all the available games. They bring them up to
the counter. You temporarily sell them the game license, you know? So you take like you take like
there is extremely massive differences between damn it. What is the word I'm looking for here?
Take collateral. You take the full cost of the game for collateral and then when they're done
with them, when they're done with it, you give them back everything but I don't know, like a
reasonable like maybe like five dollars or something like that and you buy it back from them.
What would prevent that if we could transfer licenses? We could go back
to video game rentals. Except it's all digital. Yeah, but you could still do it.
I'm not saying you couldn't do it. I'm saying I'm talking about the destruction of the
not destruction, the damage or change, significant change on the video game industry and how
and how people. Well, no, I'm just showing you how that would like it would escalate. It would
go back to the old days. You could literally rent a game. You could literally rent a game.
Yeah. And it would all it would take is. I can even think how this would function digitally. You
could absolutely rent a game. And how trendy would that video game rental store be? How many
TikToks would there be if they did it up nice and they had like physical. You don't even have to do
a physical version. No, no, no, but it doesn't matter. The physical version would fail to the
digital version immediately. It's not about fail or not fail. It's about how trendy and cool would
it be? I think it'd be trendy and cool for like two weeks. Dude, you're talking to a world that
has re-embraced vinyl records. Stop. Yeah. And Willow Video does exist. Yeah, of course it does.
I think it was Pankrat's pointed out, but there's only one. I think, yeah, but. And I love it. And
I showed it out all the time. And I, yeah, hopefully they keep doing well. I think that
someone who makes it like crazy, trendy and cool to go there and has like, like, you know,
a gotcha like claw machine thing with a bunch of cool video with a bunch of stupid like amiibos
in it and stuff. And like makes it a whole experience. Dude, I think it would absolutely
slap in the right market. Like I think somewhere like. Every time I've been to Willow lately,
there's a lot of people in there. I'm trying to figure out where. Because like in Japan,
the whole like digital licensing thing is just not as cool. Like I don't think you
could make it trendy there. Trying to think like where this like kind of physical representation
of the digital licenses that we have in stock could like kind of work. And maybe it's done.
Maybe it wouldn't work. But I just, I could see it. I could see people making TikToks about it.
If you could rent. I'm at the video game rental store. If you could rent computer games, I feel
like people around here would do it. I think so. I think so.
So Denoli says with current Steam refund policy, you can rent any Steam game for two hours for
free. That's true. But that's totally different because what you would do when you rented a game
back when we were the young ins is you'd rent it for a period of time that you decide on. So you
would rent it for one day and that was cheaper or you'd rent it a two day rental was more expensive.
And then a one week rental was like you're kind of dumb. You should probably just buy it.
So what you would do is after school on Friday, you would go rent it. And then as long as you
had it back in the drop off box by Sunday night, then you had as long as you didn't feel like
sleeping on Friday or Saturday night, you had like, you know, 48 whole hours to play the whole game
and experience everything. What a time to be alive. It was fun. But yeah, I think honestly,
I support the freedom behind the idea wholeheartedly. I just don't know if I'm reading too much into
this. I think it would be, I think the ultimate result on how the gaming industry operates
would probably be a negative for most people. I don't necessarily think are we headed that way
anyway? Yeah, that's a good argument. It's a good argument. But like look at Claire Obscure.
It's doing super well right now. It's not for like a ton of awards. It's a single player game.
I haven't played it myself, but as far as my understanding goes, it's a single player game. I don't know how long it takes to play, but there's a huge incentive to just blast through it before
the normies with jobs are able to buy it for the weekend and play and then resell your key.
And that is a significant portion of sales kept away. And I understand this is the thing you
can do with physical games. The scale of it was nowhere near the same because you could just have
another digital storefront or maybe a place like Steam just builds it into the platform
the same way that they do with Steam trading cards and everything else. And then they take
another little skim off the top, just like a reselling store. I'll have to pee if you fill that
though. So it's a double-edged sword. Just like a game stop or whatever would, they're going to
take some off the top and then it's going to resell. But that resell is not going to ping back
to the developer of the game. It's just going to ping back to Valve, which already makes $10
quibillion per employee. Unless Valve went good guy and did share it with the developer,
which they could. They do have that power. They've done good guy stuff before.
Maybe they'll share a little percentage, but it's not a full fat sale like it would be otherwise.
What if they took 30% then would you be okay with it?
What if they just took their 30% for being a being an enabler?
It's still a reduction in sale for the developer. Oh yeah, probably. I mean, here's the thing though. I mean, let's come back to talking
about sock warranties again, because everyone was enjoying that so much. A big part of why
that works. Like, do you think that Darn Tough could survive if literally everyone wore their
socks for 10 years and then got a warranty refund? I can give you the answer. The answer is no.
Like, it's not viable. Yeah, but game sales do like, let's start really high.
It just released and go, boom. This is this. Well, sort of a cyberpunk. So,
I don't want to be that guy who's like exception. You're gonna be in that guy.
Okay. I realized it. I realized it. Okay. And I don't want to be that guy.
Okay. Because you're not wrong. But I do think that a single player experience, I do think it's a reasonably close analog
to something. Okay. No, they've added a lot of content. Okay. Okay. You know what? Okay.
That's fair. That's fair. And they did. That's fair. How many times do I have to say,
how many times do I have to say I'm being that guy? For basically years.
How many times do I have to say I'm being that guy? Okay. I own it. I don't know. I'd really
like to hear from someone who's like actually in the industry what they think about this,
because I'm very much taking an outside view. We're taking a consumer view, right?
Well, I'm trying to not is basically what I'm doing. I'm trying to like as a consumer,
yeah, dude, I bought it, screw off. I should be able to resell it totally.
Then I'm trying to step back for a second and be like, what does this do incentive wise? And
that's a dangerous thing to do. Because if you do that every time, you just live in a horrible
corporate Omega corporate world where everything is bent over for companies.
You know, so I'm not trying to do that. I'm trying to be careful, but I'm wondering like
if this happens, what do we see in the gaming industry 10 years from now if this happens?
What types of games are developed? What are the incentives for the developers to make them?
And you know what, maybe someone like the BG3 devs are just chatted out of their minds and
don't care at all. But I do think this would change things. Like you said, are those things
already happening anyways? Is it even relevant? I don't know. I'm not sure. I do also wonder
would this disproportionately hurt small devs? Oh, I think that's very possible.
And I think that it probably would. I'm trying to find something right now.
Mechanic. I'm searching on the subreddit. Why is it? No, not all time, the past week.
Here we go. Here we go. So what the point I was trying to make with the socks is that,
let's bring it back to the socks again. The point that I was trying to make with it is that
most people won't do that. Even if they do have the warranty, most people won't bother.
And this is a, oh. My whole problem with it is that it's too easy. That's my whole point
with the brick and mortar. If I can just go on Steam, if I go on Steam and right click on the
game and click sell at market rate and it's just done, it's way too easy. This is my whole point
with it. The reason, the fact that it's digital and it's online is the gap. So if it was the physical
store that you had to come into, would you be more supportive of it? Yeah. So you just think
it needs friction. Yes. Okay. I think that's fair. And I don't know how you solve for that.
Because yeah, everyone has kind of a different perspective on. This was a really interesting
post. Feeling like they've gotten their money's worth. So this guy posted that it's broken,
but he's not mad. He's actually stoked, which is like kind of wild to think about.
But if you scroll down to one of his replies to someone, where's the OP tag?
Ah, yeah. Here we go. Well, yeah. Like I'm not mad. In my 10 years as a mechanic, I've used all
brands of ratcheting screwdrivers, including a $200 competitor. None of them last more than
six to 10 months. Three years and still something usable is absolutely impressive. And so this is
the kind of person that, you know, I would hope that these game developers would have backing
their product. I would hope, right? Someone that played the game, enjoyed the crap out of it and
went, you know what? I could trade this in, but I'm going to keep it and I'm going to just leave
them with all of my money. Because it was not, it was not this guy's intention to contact support
at all. Like it wasn't one of those posts where someone's like, my thing broke. What do you guys
think? Should I contact support? And then people are like, yes, obviously. What are you even posting
about it for here? Like this thread did not have that tone. When I first saw the picture, I thought
it was just another one of those. And then I reread the title like three times and was like,
huh. And then clicked on the thread and thought it was really cool. Yeah. No, but he's not,
he's not mad at all. Yeah. We just have a lot of those threads. Yeah. I mean,
not that many for how many screwdriver we've sold. No, for sure. I mean, I mean, for literally any
product or any situation ever. Yeah. But yeah. So I would just, I would like to think that even
if they had a policy that enabled people to resell, or even if Costco had a return policy that
allowed you to warranty anything, I would hope that people would also just like kind of have the
good faith common sense to not bring back a 20 year old poster. This is a whole thing.
People absolutely do that. People use the heck out of Costco. And then you have to bake it into
your margins and then everybody pays for it. Yeah. I know this is why you like what you call
high trust societies. Yes. Fantastic. Yeah. The best. Yeah. So based.
We, have we talked about that on WAN Show at all? I don't know. Just like the experience of,
of going to a family mart in, you know, Taipei or in Japan and walking through the door and
seeing someone's MacBook sitting on the little like round coffee table that's at the, that's near
the entrance while the owner of said MacBook is off grabbing a snack so that they can go pay for it
and then sit and use their laptop and enjoy their snack or their drink and marveling that that would
never happen at home. Yeah. That MacBook would be gone. And
it's so cool. Yeah. I wish that I lived somewhere like that sometimes. And I don't think, you know,
we are far from the furthest from that. Oh yeah. 100%. I like, I just leave my badminton bag
on a bench and I'll walk like six quarts away. Even the fact that in most situations,
if there's someone sitting there, you can ask them, Hey, do you mind watching my stuff?
And that is actually fine. Yeah. It's like pretty great to be completely honest compared
to like a lot of places. So like it's, we're doing all right. But it's, it's
Taiwan, Japan, there's certain places that are another level and it's, it feels really cool
to be there and partake in that. And there's different ways of achieving that. Like,
um, I remember, I remember accidentally leaving my wallet. It was either my wallet or my phone.
It was something very valuable and important. And I was very distressed to not have it. And
I left it in a cab in Singapore and, um, Yvonne's family member who lives there,
basically with 100% confidence said, you will get it back. And I was like, there's no way.
The cabbies just going to say they don't have it. They're going to, like, they'll just like
take the money out first and then return it to me. And he was like, no, you will get it back.
And I was like, you got to be kidding me. Very, very recently prior, I had lost like
a hundreds of dollars coat. You and I both have like a similar coat story where we once treated
ourselves to a nice overcoat and then immediately lost it. I left it in a cab in, in Vegas and
but he was just like, yeah, yeah, it wasn't there. It wasn't there. And like, sure. Yeah. Okay.
I had it back within like 90 minutes because they went back to the dispatch, found it,
and like, we're basically like, like waiting for my call to, to tell me that they had it. And
when, when I visited Singapore, I've been there twice now. Well, if I've been there twice the
second time we didn't, we, man, I was over, yeah, I was over in Southeast Asia recently. Did we go
to Singapore? No, we saw Yvonne Singapore family, which is why I was confused. We saw her family
that lives there, but we didn't go there. So yeah, when I went to Singapore the one time,
I almost got like kind of like a Stepford wives kind of vibe. Okay. Like everything is too perfect.
Okay, I've never been to Singapore. And like, you guys can let me know if you think maybe I was
just, maybe, maybe I was biased by just knowing that they can, they like come down hard on stuff.
Um, but I just, I don't know. I just got this kind of like, I got this kind of weird,
I got this kind of weird vibe. Um, yeah, I mean, at the same says, I mean, you weren't not biased.
I mean, yeah, that's, that's fair enough. Um, it's early time says I was there 20 years ago.
I got the same kind of vibe. Yeah. Okay. I have no idea.
What I do know, like in, in, in Taiwan, for example, I will be downtown Taipei and walk down
small, weird alleyways between buildings and
feel a relatively deep sense of comfort. And knowing that like I might
exit this alleyway to a, a park with little old ladies doing Tai Chi at one in the morning,
for some reason, and they will all feel safe and comfortable. It's not just me for whatever reason.
And to be clear, we're not saying they don't have any crime. No, they don't have any mental illness
or people who, you know, do all of that stuff is this everywhere in the world. People are,
people are messy creatures and it doesn't matter, you know, what country they live in or the color
of their skin or whatever else that people are messy. Um, but I do think that there are,
there are different approaches to society building, some of which create a higher trust
society and some of which create a lower trust society. And there, those are definitely a
couple of places that have stood out to me as feeling very high trust. Yeah. And like gold,
gold balls on in Floatplane chat said Luke must be a giant over there. Um, right. But like
bullets and knives don't care. Um, it's true. So, so like you, you shouldn't be overconfident
in your like size when it comes to getting jumped in an alley. Like even, even like a baton, I would
be, I would be a lot, I'd be a lot less scared of Luke if I had like a night stick, like honestly
break a bone. Yeah. Pretty quick with those. Anytime you put anything anywhere near me,
it would be like whack it with that and that paired with the badminton skills.
Like huge, if he, if he knows how to fight, then I'm done because he'll close the distance,
right? But if he doesn't, just size is not enough, right? Like it's, it's amazing
what a difference just a small, hard, heavy object can make. Um, and so yeah, don't be,
stop. Um, tell me more about that. Tell me more about that.
What a small, hard and heavy. It's dense, man. It's dense.
You can hit me with your thick stick, little man. The point is just that
he's feeling safe is not just about him being sort of large for over there.
Yeah. It was because I, there was a very high level of confidence, not in myself,
but in the society that I was in. I also feel really safe there and I'm not Luke's size. So
make that, make of that, what you will. All right. Microsoft has killed another
Windows activation workaround while they're weathering backlash over recent agentec OS endeavors.
Windows has shut down a Windows activation workaround by pushing back end changes that broke
KMS 38 based activations, which used the mass grave popularized method that let users keep
Windows and office running indefinitely without actually paying for them.
Users on these fake installs noticed deactivations right after their devices grabbed the latest
extended security update. Even people who did buy Windows weren't spared with some business
Windows 10 users who installed this week's update, finding their systems rolling back
to the previous build after rebooting, silently failing to apply the patch at all. That probably
wasn't intended. Yeah. In other news, Microsoft heard that the public is not interested in
Windows becoming an agentec OS, but they think they can change the public's mind by talking about it
more in a support article. The article explains how a secure AI agent workspaces
will give agents access to shared folders and allow them to work in the background for you,
completing tasks while you do other, I don't know, like human things.
Scroll Tiktok. Wow. What is it going to be doing? What do they think it's going to be doing?
I don't know, but the funny part is that a version of this completely controlled by the user
with user dials and knobs of being able to control what it can access and what it can do and all
that kind of stuff in Linux could actually be super sick. I don't trust Microsoft to do it
properly at all and wouldn't want to touch it at all. It reminds me a lot of Recall,
which is clearly and obviously **** it. You did not do that, right? Did I not? No.
Did I lift it too early? Yeah. Nice. Nice.
You're not the only one who feels that way. An intrepid writer from The Verge took one for the team
and spent a week trying to interact with co-pilot the way Microsoft seems to want us to and found
that co-pilot made his, and this is a direct quote, computer feel incompetent. I didn't know that was
that's fantastic. And yet we are being warned that one of the things it is competent enough to do
is install malware as Microsoft's own article states that these kinds of agents would still
be vulnerable to malicious prompts that may be embedded in emails, documents or web pages.
So our discussion question, we're going to bring Dan in for this one, is where in an operating system
do you think an AI agent could be helpful to you? Imagine what you want your AI agent to do.
Navigate the two separate settings menus that- Let's put him away. That's actually very funny.
It's also kind of serious. Like sometimes I want to adjust the settings on my computer. I would
like to just have it do that. But the second they give the agent that kind of system level
access, then it's extremely dangerous. Hey, can you switch it to output 5.6 on the
headphone mix for me, please? It's not coming through Chrome properly. That sounds great.
But there's no way that we could allow an incompetently managed agent that level of access.
Yeah. I think one of the primary ways that AI stuff is currently used is search. Using it for
like really advanced search and search related tasks would be fine. Like, hey, find all the videos
on my S drive that have this type of content in them and move them into this folder. I want
to start editing a video based on that soon. One of the things that, you know, I love an
agentic OS to do is for me to be able to just say, I need to be in Los Angeles for a collab on
December the 9th. Find me the travel arrangements that have me there for the least amount of time
because I need to get back to my family for my daughter's something or whatever. But the problem
with mine is that I don't need my OS to do that. So, well, actually there's two problems with mine.
Problem number one is that I don't need my OS to do that. That could be
You have an LLV. Oh, what? Sorry? Large language vans.
Well, no, no, no. That's not, that's actually not one of the problems I was going to bring up.
I don't need an app to do that because I, my browser should do that.
Or an app. Oh, yeah. Or an app. I don't need my OS to do that. That's just the wackiness of modern computing, which is that it's like all in the browser.
Yeah. I don't need my operating, sorry. I said I don't need my app to do that. I misspoke.
I don't need my operating system to do that. The other issue is that that use case only works
if I put absolutely everything into my phone, which I will just never be disciplined enough to do.
Because it can only know my schedule if I tell it everything.
And your access to- I don't even want to live my life that scheduled.
It's going to need to know where you're going to be on that day as well,
which is why you're saying you need the schedule. Like, should I schedule, like, should I schedule time when I'm reading a book?
Like, what, like, what is it, who, like, who actually has their calendar filled out with enough
detail that they would be able to say, make me a hair appointment.
And it probably wouldn't double book with something else that you might want to do.
And I'm sure there's people out there that, that can function like that.
But there is no way that I could because there's always something I'm going to get home.
I'm going to think I have a gap and I'm going to be like, we're out of cat food. You're going to get crazy too.
Yeah, we're out of kitty food. I got to go get some cat food.
And then it's just like, well, yeah, no, well, I, now I can't make it to this thing.
Like, am I supposed to schedule time to potentially maybe shop for a random
house goods that I need? Like, come on.
And what was, what was the, what's the, what am I missing?
Oh, because I do that. You do what? Put everything in the calendar.
Like everything. But again, ADHD cope.
I tell people all the time, if they ask me to like,
have a meeting or chew the thing or do whatever.
If it's, if it's work related at all, I tell them every single time, like you got to put that on calendar or else it will not exist and I will not show up.
I should set up a macro. It's just like, my calendar is public book me.
That's a, oh, I see what you mean. There's a function in Google calendar now to like send someone a link
where they can book on your calendar. I have that enabled too, but they, I mean, it's nice.
They ask, it's better if they just do it.
Yeah, I don't even always agree because like I'll have sections of my calendar where
that's where I don't know that something's going to happen there.
Book fake meetings. Yeah, I've done that before.
Yeah. I like need to blank out a spot. Just set it as busy and the private.
Yeah, it works. I guess I have done that before.
Anyways, I mean, I guess the, the ultimate goal, right?
Cause the other part of, so aside from not being disciplined enough, I just don't want absolutely everything that I do and every person that I see or talk to
necessarily in my phone, but their ultimate goal is obviously
to have the microphone on all the time so that it just kind of
already has the context of everything that I ever do and everywhere I ever want to be.
I just, you know, I tried talking to Wendell in what I'm guessing was 2015, maybe 2016.
Nice. A good year. Solid year. About building-
I remember predicting the future that year. Did you?
Oh yeah. What, what did you say?
We both did. What did we say? We predicted the same future.
Oh yeah, I remember. Okay. That was a good enough tip.
I was, I was working with him on this idea where I wanted to do,
at the time, I think my plan was like dragon naturally speaking or whatever that program was.
I wanted to have that constantly running and writing to like some document.
I think I remember you talking about this. Yeah. And then I wanted to scan the document for keywords and then have home automations work
off of the keywords and then have microphones distributed through my whole,
your basement of the house you were renting me at the time.
And then basically have it always listening but always entirely local.
And I didn't even want this computer exposed to the internet. I wanted it air-gapped.
Like there's no way. This is only my stuff and it like auto deletes, whatever,
does all these different types of things, but running different home automations off of, off of that.
What did you even want it to do? I don't remember. I just, I think I just wanted to make it work.
Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's fair enough because that seems like a lot of why people bother to do
home automation stuff is just for like the fun of it. Yeah.
I don't remember. I think I had some more specific things.
But, yeah, and he kind of, it was possible and he talked me through some of the problems
that it would have and different things like that. And then I didn't end up doing it for a variety of reasons, but
oh, a constant stream of dragon dictation would have been messy.
Yeah. He pointed that out.
Yeah. It would be, people are saying home assistant does that now.
Wendell has a video on it. That's really interesting. I didn't actually know. I was going to say we should look into doing something like that now.
For the tech house, we will. Cool. Yeah. We actually, there's a guy working on a thing that could be a more elegant way of
implementing that, that I'm not at liberty to discuss yet, but we are maybe going to like,
I don't know, feature that thing because it makes it to market.
Love something like that. It can't touch the internet at all.
Yeah. That's like his whole jam. Fantastic.
Yeah. Super cool. It should be super cool. Because I love, like I've been to a few people's places recently
that have like an Alexa setup or whatever thing and they tie some automations to it.
And it's really cool, but I'm not putting that in my house.
Yep. So. I hear you.
Our next topic, or wait, what are we supposed to be doing? When after dark.
How the heck are we supposed to transition to when after dark? We still have like five.
We have been live for three and a half hours. You've been live for three and a half hours.
That is also correct. Boom.
Roasted.
Should we blast through some stuff? I think we have some topics in here we can go through quickly.
I mean, or we have some topics that are pretty big and important that we could get to.
Yes. What the fuck?
Yeah. Oh, wow. We do still have that topic. Okay. YouTuber Ben Jordan has released a video demonstrating some serious security and privacy
concerns with Flock safety's license plate cameras and their public safety technology ecosystem.
Flock safety is an American manufacturer and operator of automatic license plate readers,
ALPRs, video surveillance, and gunfire locator systems with more than 80,000 of their cameras
deployed in the US. Flock operates many of these systems under contract for thousands of police departments
plus other agencies, neighborhood associations, and private property owners.
The video builds on a white paper from independent security researcher,
John Gaines, documenting more than 50 vulnerabilities in Flock safety systems.
The video reports that multiple Flock safety accounts belonging to public safety authorities
were found for sale on the dark web and notes that Flock does not require two-factor
authentication for some of their police department clients.
It gets better.
Researchers found that by pressing the button on a Flock camera in a particular pattern,
you can enable a wireless access point on the device. Oh, that's awesome.
After connecting to that access point, an attacker can send a command to enable ADB
and then connect directly to the Flock device, allowing them to access all its data,
allowing them to install their own software, and just generally use the device however they want.
You know, there's a lot of different, this is a completely unrelated note,
but there's been a lot of different sites that have started tracking different
movement of like ice vehicles and police activity and stuff.
It would be a real shame if it just worked the opposite way that they had intended for it to work.
Anyway, if connecting to that access point is too much effort, Gaines also created a tool to
make it even easier for anyone to gain full control of one of these cameras.
Gaines says the longest part actually is waiting for the access point to turn on,
realistically about five seconds, and it's not just the cameras.
If you're trying to take over one of Flock's AI compute boxes,
so that's an edge processing device that's used as part of their license plate recognition system,
you don't even need to go to the trouble of turning on that access point.
The device's USB-C port is just sitting there, waiting for something to be plugged in,
and Gaines says you can just plug in a rubber ducky and walk away.
So a rubber ducky is a USB device that pretends to be a keyboard
and then sends pre-programmed keystrokes to the target device. We did a video about them a few years ago, they're super cool.
And then once you have access, you can literally do anything you want on the device,
including editing or outright replacing footage.
It gets better. Flock's apps are installed on their devices with debugging enabled,
which among other shenanigans means that execution can be paused mid-run,
and memory can be accessed and modified, which
leads to remote code execution with root privileges.
Researchers also found that flock cameras had a concerning level of hard-coded data,
including a list of preferred Wi-Fi networks.
Oh, that's awesome. So by setting up dummy access points with those network names,
and then blocking access to cellular data,
researchers were able to trick flock cameras into connecting to the dummy networks
and then routing their traffic through them. Sick.
Analyzing the traffic with the usual tools, researchers found additional credentials being sent in clear text.
Beautiful. Absolute cinema.
Some of this stuff, I wonder if it's intentional.
Like, the developers working for flock are just like,
yeah, this kind of statewide surveillance is f***ed.
Let's make sure this stuff sucks. Like, is that... One could hope, I don't know.
I doubt it. Never attribute to... I doubt it too.
You know, whatever that could be adequately explained by stupidity.
I hope there's at least one.
If you want to go with a real old-school attack, researchers also found considerable RF signal leakage coming from newer flock cameras
and discovered that it was possible to use a modern version of a tempest attack
to see the live view of the camera by simply isolating and decoding the camera data stream
from the leaking RF signals.
Dan, I've seen the comments.
I know that there's a toucan somewhere in the frame,
but my ability to can has been lost on this round show.
I can't anymore. He's going to have to go.
Where is he? I don't know. I haven't been able to find him.
Oh. Surability toucan?
Farewell for the rest of this round show, because I do not have the ability to can anymore because I can't.
And I'm not done yet. The problems aren't just in their hardware.
Researchers also found an exposed API key on a flock demo site that shows some of the things
that public safety agencies are storing in ArcGIS, a popular geographic information system,
which, by the way, was recently found to be compromised by a Chinese state-sponsored hacking
group. Of course it was. This means that any and all data that agencies are tracking in ArcGIS may be compromised,
including personal information of officers and agents, live locations of patrol cars and suspect
vehicles, and any other vehicle seen on one of flock's cameras, and so on and so forth.
Believe it or not, we're not done yet.
Well, we're done. But that's still just the tip of the iceberg.
Go check out the video. Dan, if you want to drop it in all the chats. Yeah. From Ben Jordan.
Or check out John Gaines White Paper. Both are excellent.
U.S. Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon and Representative Raja, uh-oh, Raja of Illinois
have requested that the FTC open an investigation of flock safety's cybersecurity practices.
And if you want to see if any of these systems are being used near you,
you can check out the EFF's Atlas of Surveillance.
Who could have possibly seen this coming?
I don't know. Not flock. Not with their army of cameras.
I do. I am wondering. So Ben is also the person who did the whole I Saved a PNG to a bird thing.
I know at Diamond Dave pointed this out, but I was just kind of putting that together myself as well.
Saved a PNG to a bird, flock.
What's going on here?
Ben has an interesting interest in birds.
It's all bird related. Okay. He's trying to tell us. Is it?
He is trying to tell us something. Are the power lines actually how they charge?
The birds are surveillance. I think what's happening. I think they aren't real.
Yeah, they might not be real. Wake up.
If I take off my headphones, do I not have to listen to you people?
No, I can still hear them. You can probably not hear me very well. Yeah, I can hear you just fine.
Ben's stuff is awesome. Well, that's disappointing.
Very, very cool video. Birds are the government. Stop it.
Stop it all the way. They are. They are. That's why they won't move to underground power lines.
I think the government would be running better if they charge. No, the government would be running better if it was birds.
How do you know it's not? Have you ever seen them?
A bird? Yeah, you can't prove that. No, he means the government.
Oh, the government. Same thing. Have I ever seen them?
Yeah, the same thing. Have I ever seen the government?
Do you see what I mean? Could Mark Carney theoretically be an AI influencer?
I've never seen him in person. I haven't either. That's a good take.
Not unless I've seen him in person. Yeah, I mean, we live in the zero trust age.
Who's going to hear the fun question? Who's going to be the first VTuber president?
If I hadn't already lost my ability to Ken, that would have done it.
Miku for president. Oh, man.
Okay. Anyways, continuing onwards.
At least Hatsune Miku wouldn't have started a feud with China.
I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Would they have tariffed Canada, though?
We'll never know. Talking of wars with China.
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That's all you've got. That's the rest of my cards. We have so many more topics, dude.
Then have fun. Good luck. Massimo has been awarded $634 million
over Apple patent infringement. Last week, Apple lost a federal jury trial in California
over the use of blood oxygen monitoring technology.
In 2023, the U.S. International Trade Commission ruled in Massimo's favor,
which then banned Apple from importing Apple watches that had that technology.
Earlier this year, Apple implemented a workaround to bring back the monitoring function
by having the user's iPhone measure and calculate blood oxygen data.
Massimo is now suing U.S. Customs and Border Protection over allowing Apple to do this.
Massimo has also accused Apple of poaching its employees like their chief medical officer.
Apple says they disagree with the verdict and will appeal. Can we talk about the concept of poaching?
You can't own people.
If someone's willing to pay someone more, then isn't that just like the free market?
Am I missing something here? Like, I do understand that people can be privy to trade secrets.
There can be instances of corporate espionage where someone specifically gains a position
in order to get access to data and bring it back somewhere else. I think there's also an idea where you could attack
another company by constantly depleting them of human resources.
That could be anti-competitive. And then firing them immediately?
Well, no, if you hire them forever, then isn't it fine?
What if you just poached all their employees and then fired them after two months?
Well, no, I'm not saying it's a problem for the individuals involved being poached.
I'm saying like, if you're trying to operate as a business and another company...
Are we saying that is the attack? Is you take all their good employees...
This is a fascinating idea. You don't have hiring at all.
You have a competitor and you just trust their hiring process
and then just offer anyone that gets hired there slightly more.
Save your money on the hiring process. Your job board is there linked in.
That one looks nice. How much you make? I'll add 5%, 10%, 20%.
It's like their hiring process is probably pretty rigorous. I mean, I'm sure people have thought of this.
We'll take them. That was basically the entire developer circle jerk
in Silicon Valley for... I think so. I mean, years. And this is where I think mostly
the term poaching comes from. It's not hiring one person. It's trying to take an entire team,
as far as my understanding goes. Like, I know old-school Silicon Valley,
there was conversations about poaching when like... Yeah, a company would want to spin up an ARM
of its own company, it would take an entire team. So you take a whole business unit out.
Yeah, see, that's where I kind of...
Because on the one hand, I can completely see multiple facets
or multiple angles of this. Like from a worker angle,
anything that restricts my mobility is bullshit.
Oh, I don't think there should be restrictions put on it. Well, but I would say,
I would say, I would feel as a worker that my mobility is restricted
if you're employing me today and Dan could potentially be punished for poaching me.
I say that restricts my mobility. Well, they're suing...
No, they accuse them of it. Are they suing them for it? I don't think you can sue someone for poaching.
Oh, okay. Okay, in that case, you know what? I misread this.
I thought that there was some kind of implication that poaching was somehow not allowed.
No, I think it smells... Oh, okay, that's like a gentlemanly... You can sue someone.
Oh. Can you? Nope.
It's typically a basis for a lawsuit. If the poach employee non-competes, non-solicitation,
if the employee had a fiduciary obligation to the former company...
Oh, okay. If the poach employee has access to valuable or confidential information.
Okay, so, yeah, okay then. Yeah, it's okay. No, I'm going to come back to what I'm saying.
But you can't just... So, who... What employee... Name an employee at Linus Media Group
that doesn't have access to any valuable or confidential information.
That's so broad. But any employee anywhere for any company, technically.
Exactly. But it would have to be utilizable by the company that they're going to.
Sure, but I mean... If I got hired to the... That's literally the definition
of relevant experience. Almost.
There's a big difference between experience and information. Sure, but you gain a lot of information
through experience and you gain a lot of experience through the utilization of information.
There's a different... The type of information is important. And I'm not trying to form a nuanced take right now.
I hear what you're saying. I'm trying to see it from one perspective. I don't know how to define it,
but there's a dividing line in the type of information.
There's definitely multiple definitions. It's like IP information. So, definition number one is,
as a worker bee, who's doing my bee work,
fuck anything that limits my mobility. And if there's any kind of restriction
that prevents Dan over here from hiring me for more than you're willing to pay me,
then basically fuck that. So, I can see that perspective 100%.
I can also see the perspective of...
Let's say a startup, right? A smaller entity going like,
well, hold on, this is bull spit because a company like...
And I don't want to pick on anyone specific. So, let's just say one of the magnificent,
however many of them there are. You know, one of these like giant mega cap,
hundreds of billions, or even like trillions of dollars valuation companies,
having just enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens,
just coming in and strategically
making it impossible for my company to function
by effectively like... Yeah, just kneecapping my ability to function
by just hiring away absolutely everyone. Effectively does happen.
Which is not anything that they've done wrong
from like the worker's perspective, but from an antitrust
and maintaining a true free market perspective,
I could see being an actual problem.
Yeah, I don't know how to deal with that. I don't know how to deal with that.
I don't think you can. I don't think you can. I don't think you can write a law that stops that from happening
that doesn't end up with an outsized negative effect
on the employees in this situation. Yeah.
Yeah, because if you try to write a law that would cover that,
it would unquestionably be abused in highly corporate favor.
It would just end up being bad. There's a lot of cases like this, right?
And I pretty much guarantee you that that has happened. Oh, yeah.
I mean, 100%. There's just nothing you can do about it. Like someone in chat pointed out like information
that we could have that could be used by an outside group could be like a customer list.
Oh, 100%. But one of the problems with something like a customer list
is you're getting sued on both ends.
The employee that left with that and then gave it over would be individually sued.
And if the company that received it didn't immediately get rid of it and then go after the employee
and basically fire them, if they took that information
and used it, you could also just sue them. Like that's actually just super not okay,
but mostly for the privacy of the user list reasons.
But what if it wasn't a user list? What if it was my relationship list?
Then where's the line between a user list? That one is interesting.
That's in a database. Because I personally know people. And a relationship list that's in my phone.
Which is also a database. Linus, you went to that factory tour
and they made you blur that machine. I just memorized the name and model of that machine.
I'm going to a similar company. A funky one. I'm going to a similar company.
Like for my last job, I took knowledge of what I did there
and I apply it here. But knowledge of how to do a skill is not the thing that we're talking about.
But knowledge of a piece of information. It's my industry.
You know? And the knowledge of how to do skill does not apply.
Software, hardware. What should we buy? It would have to be...
Is that not knowledge, right? And where does that blur?
If I just memorize the phone numbers in the contact list,
is that knowledge? I literally know what machine we do lithography with.
You should buy that one. I didn't take a list. It's just that was the one that we used.
I know that. That's interesting. Pay me half a million a year, please.
Nipolas Cage says, a TikToker just got sued and lost.
Or the TikToker who... A TikToker got sued and lost
for stealing someone's husband. If you can win that case,
certainly you could win a case against this. Now, I think it was less about the actual like adultery
and more about the TikToker posting publicly about it
and humiliating the wife. Okay. Yeah.
That is my understanding of that, but it was an interesting headline. Still don't know how that works, to be honest.
Isn't kidnapping just like... Actually a crime. Oh, wait. Etsy.
Etsy. He basically stole my husband. Sorry, that's why I laughed. Because that's kind of mean.
Wait, Etsy says it's a specific Georgia law and it is about the infidelity.
You've got to be kidding me. That makes so much sense. You can be sued for being a husband stealer.
America's a wild place. You've got to be kidding me. Wow. This breeze says it's a pretty poorly executed court case.
You've got to be kidding me.
Oh, Nipolas Cage says North Carolina. Well, hold on.
Ikea Cherry says Georgia, husband poaching.
Okay, come on, chat.
Now you're just confusing me. Okay.
We should move on. I don't know if any of us knows.
Relationship secrets.
I see myself as more of a sunny side-up husband.
Scrambled eggs.
I actually poached.
Are you going to have an egg pun? He did one. Did you?
I, not really.
I said scrambled.
It's not very good.
I want you to give the ding to him, not me. Yeah, sorry, bypassed my name.
I do not share in the reverberations.
This is exciting. I, is it?
Yeah, because, and I'll explain why.
Actually, I'll explain why after. First, I'll talk about it.
Tesla is apparently considering integrating Apple CarPlay.
This is not confirmed, but reports call for wireless connectivity
and it would be displayed within a windowed environment in the Tesla infotainment system.
And this reconsideration of implementing CarPlay appears to be driven, pun intended,
thank you, new probationary writer, by Apple abandoning plans to create its own electric car.
This is just another little tidbit. CarPlay and Android Auto are considered essential.
By at least one third or more of potential buyers, I am one of them.
I consider those things essential. And let me explain why.
Are you a potential buyer of a Tesla? I am excited about this.
At any stage in Tesla's journey from where they were to where they are today,
I have never been open to driving one.
And not driving one, but they, yeah, driving one.
Well, okay, see, it's complicated. I bought one because my in-laws chose a Model Y when I told them they could have a car.
And so I bought them a Model Y. So I've bought a Tesla, but I would never buy one for myself.
They had to go to you for approval. And you said that they could have a car?
Well, I paid for it. I know, I'm just messing. The wording of it was funny.
They came to me and I told them they could have a car, I guess.
But no, it wasn't like that. I know, it's just so fun. They did a lot of childcare for us over the years.
They were hugely supportive and are a huge part of how Yvonne and I were able to be as
successful as we were. They let us live there rent-free for years while we went to school.
No, it's sick. I thought it was cool. And while we saved up to buy our first house together.
So basically, I was just paying them back. Yeah. Like, yeah.
Which is sick. I just, the way you word it, which is funny.
So anyway, a major part of why I wouldn't consider a Tesla
is the locked down proprietary nature of their infotainment system.
Sure. Because the writing was on the wall the day they locked it down.
They were going to control every aspect of the software of this car
and the software of this car was going to control every aspect of the hardware.
And so it was a matter of time and we've talked about this many times over the years
before everything would be a flipping subscription or an unlock or a fee
or whatever the case may be. And I'm not into that.
I already have something with a bunch of subscriptions, including a wireless data subscription.
And I would like to simply plug it into my car
so that I don't have two of those things in my life because
one is enough. And a major concern that I had about Tesla's success
was that they were having all of this success with this locked down infotainment system.
My lips really hurt. Don't laugh at me.
That's so mean. I wasn't even going to until you said so.
I was doing fine. It like, the reason that I list there was because this one like caught on the thing.
It's really painful right now. They're like super swollen today.
Back of my throat swollen too, but that's a separate issue.
The point is it's been a major concern for me that Tesla has managed to be so successful
having broken from the rest of the crowd in allowing this and that they've become
sort that they had become anyway, this like leader in electrification and in car software.
And you can you can actually see their influence. That's what I was worried about in the same way that even as a non iPhone user,
I get concerned when Apple does something that is that is unfriendly to interoperability
between devices or that is not consumer friendly.
I get concerned by that because as Apple does, the industry tends to follow.
Do you think that is still true? I absolutely agree that it was. And for many years, Tesla was undisputably a leader in car software.
I don't know that Rivian would have had the would have had the stones to say,
no carplay, no Android Auto. If Tesla hadn't shown that there was a major customer base that was willing to overlook it.
So sorry, what were you going to ask? I wasn't going to do you think there's still a thought leader in the space at this point?
I still think that their software experience is ahead of where many other North American brands
are. I think that GM is like trying to build an infotainment solution into their cars that
will rival Tesla. I remember having just a stoop like I probably gave the guy a look
unintentionally. But when we were shopping for Yvonne's new car and we were at the dealership
and the guy goes like, and yeah, compared to yours, which uses the like couple of years older
system, the new one is so much more responsive. Look at this. I was like, that's still leggy as f***.
Come on, man. There's like 10 year old Teslas that are more responsive than this. You've got to be
kidding me. Anyway, Rep Havoc in Floatplane chats. Tesla news is so damn boring.
Then you aren't paying attention to it. It's not. Yeah. This is not Tesla news.
This is news about a potential shift in the mentality as GM is going in the direction
explicitly going in the direction of reducing their interoperability with your device that
you can plug in to have all of your maps and stuff and moving toward explicitly doing that
so that they can move toward more subscription revenue. Tesla, who has been a leader in the space
of in car software, whether you like them or not. Okay. Doesn't matter. The point is they
have been an industry leader and are apparently considering integrating Apple CarPlay. This is
a big deal because competition is good. That's why it's not about Tesla news. You've got to,
I don't know. You've tried to see the bigger picture here. The bigger picture is any player
who goes, oh yeah, there is simply no technological reason why I couldn't just run Android Auto or
CarPlay within a window and maintain my infotainment system and give the user a choice.
Every one of them that does that puts pressure on everyone else who locks things down and tries
to turn your entire life into a fucking subscription. It's good.
That's why it matters. Zeno98 says, not Android Auto. Yeah, I'd be obviously bummed if it stayed
that way, but I do suspect that CarPlay would simply be what would come first and Android
Auto would come later. I portioned that. It was CarPlay only for years and then they actually
backported Android Auto into those cars later on after the fact. I think the reason that they
prioritized Android Auto is a very similar reason to why Tesla would prioritize Android Auto. I
think that the Tesla and Apple customer base is probably a very large overlapping Venn diagram.
They're very similar styles, very similar approach. Tesla obviously emulated a lot of Apple's
image in creating their products and in creating their brand. Do you know how much it costs for
a manufacturer? When I was Googling this, I could only find aftermarket stuff or options sometimes,
but do you know how much it costs on the manufacturer's end to add CarPlay and Android Auto?
I don't think, my understanding is it doesn't cost anything. My understanding is that Google,
I don't know about Apple, but on the Google side, my understanding is that it is so beneficial from
an ecosystem and data collection standpoint that they will basically help you do it.
Is my understanding, but I could be wrong about that. Interesting.
Oh yeah. Hey, Samsung fridges display ads now.
That's the worst. I will not buy. Imagine getting an Apple ad on your Samsung fridge
and that being the least unnatural thing about this whole experience.
Yeah, I'm not buying a fridge with a screen.
Our discussion question is, who could have seen this coming?
Everyone. It's a slash s.
That was it. That's all I have to say about that. Man, there's been so many points when I would have lost serability to can.
Well, maybe to give you something back, I don't think it's in our dock, but full pitch out
reminded me of it. The Libra pods thing, whatever it's called.
So it's cool. Have you used it? No, because it requires a rooted phone.
At least for now is my understanding. So it's pretty cool.
It unlocks some of the functions that Apple locks by changing your device identification,
like your device ID, essentially to Apple. So spoof being an Apple device.
If nothing else, what this does is it proves that there is no technological reason that
Apple couldn't allow these functions to exist on Android, but that they explicitly block them
through allowing them only, like allow listing them on Apple devices and then not allowing it
on anything that isn't a vendor ID, Apple. Wild.
Yeah, interesting. Seriously, like, I mean, I love my AirPods. I really, really do. We have a video coming,
full review of AirPods Pro 3's, long-term review. I love AirPods. I hate being a second-class
citizen because I don't own enough Apple products. So I daily drove them for part of it with an iPhone
after I switched to the iPhone Air and then I daily drove it for part of it with an Android phone.
So I kind of had both experiences while I was using them. And there's a lot of really great
features that are exclusive to AirPods that are paired to an iPhone, which makes the price
of the AirPods Pro 3's not $250, but starting at $800. And that would be with an iPhone,
whatever the EU one is, 16E, I think is their most budget iPhone. It's not cheap anymore.
This is cool. Yeah. Wait, where'd it go? Actually, there's both a couple cool things. The Google Play Store
will be flagging apps with high battery usage. App developers that plan on publishing through
the Google Play Store will have until March 1st, 2026 to update their apps to comply with a new
Android vitals metric called excessive partial wake locks. This will allow the Play Store to flag
apps that have high background activity that may cause battery draining. I love this. See, this
this is how you add value to the user to give your marketplace a reason to exist,
not just by locking developers and locking users into just one app marketplace. This is a
high, this is a competitive market, non anti trust way to differentiate your marketplace.
And this would make me, even if I had the choice to use multiple marketplaces,
whether it's on iOS or whether it's on Android, this would make me more likely to want to use
the first party one. And not just because you've locked me in so that you can get your 30% cut
or whatever. I really like this. I think it's super cool. And this one is no notes, but just
the UK is apparently banning reselling tickets for profit. Sick.
I love it. Can we all just love this?
Yeah. I don't think you're adding any, you know, benefit to society by doing that. So
sounds good. Yeah. Like seriously though, I don't think Taylor Swift wants her tickets marked up by
third party sellers. It's not like she gets more money for it.
Like this is great.
If you can't make it to a concert or whatever and you want to flip your tickets, that should
absolutely be allowed. Yeah, whatever, but you do it for face value. Yeah, sure.
That simple. Sweet.
Love it. I wonder if there's going to be a horrible workaround. Like I wonder if you could do it,
but have fees. There's always a workaround. You can buy this ticket. It's at face value.
There's also a thousand dollars of fees.
Quattro Forte says Taylor does. I really don't think she does. I don't think she,
I don't, I think she wants you to pay more, yes, but to her, not to a scalper.
Yeah, for sure. HP and Dell have decided that laptop buyers don't need HEVC support. Some Dell and HP
laptop owners are discovering that their machines can't play content encoded with
HEVC or H265 in spite of their CPUs definitely having integrated decoding support.
The codec has been supported by Intel CPUs since the sixth generation of their core
processors launched in 2015 and AMD around the same time. For some reason, both manufacturers
have disabled this feature on some of their most popular or some of their popular business laptops.
HP discloses that the feature is disabled on the data sheets for the impacted machines,
while Dell seemingly only mentions it on a general support page about 4k video playback,
where they note that HEVC content is only available on laptops with an optional discrete GPU,
with an integrated 4k display, with Dolby Vision or with a Cyberlink Blu-ray player.
What year is it? When reached for comment, neither company would state why they've chosen to disable the feature
It's strange. and both suggested the purchase of a third-party software solution.
A comment on the hardware subreddit suggests that the change may be in response to an
upcoming increase in licensing costs from a reasonable 20 cents per laptop to a clearly
profiteering 24 cents per laptop. In all seriousness though, I mean this is a big part of why
H265, HEVC was such a cluster bomb. There were multiple parties involved in
IP ownership of part of it, which made the licensing of it just a complete disaster.
Long live
H264, I guess. Yeah.
After dark? And you maybe even longer live AV1.
Yeah. Yeah, let's go AV1. Big time, big time. I like AV1.
Yeah, we're going after dark. Is that it for our topics this week? I mean we do technically have other things without notes.
What are we? We could talk about what I'm doing this weekend. Oh, what are you doing this weekend?
We could talk about is the bubble popping. Is the AI bubble popping? You see what happened to Bitcoin this week?
Do you happen to NVIDIA this week?
Yeah, in spite of their earnings beat?
Well, yeah, there was some things on the earnings call to Mr. Big A has a good video on it,
but there's things on the earnings call that upon further investigation did not seem as good.
Was it the whole circular money thing? There's yeah, there's a lot of accounts receivable chill in there.
There's a lot of inventory chill in there, which is a interesting situation to be in.
There was a comparison drawn between Cisco at the hike of the dot-com bubble
and Vidya now where their accounts receivable are super inflated.
Their inventory is super inflated. Yeah, how can you have both high inventory and high AR?
Interesting spot.
But yeah, don't listen to me. You can watch Big A video because I might be misquoted.
Well, no, wait, no, hold on. Yeah, because if you have big accounts receivable,
then you should be shipping inventory, right? Sort of the problem. Ideally, or you're producing at a high amount per HEOX strikes again.
It does good stuff.
Maybe that stuff that you sold a bit ago, the really, really high accounts receivable could mean that you're doing a lot of business.
It could also mean that the partners that you're working with
are having a hard time paying their bills, which is a bad sign.
And if you have a bunch of inventory and you have a bunch of that,
that could mean that your cycle is just really fast.
And you need to stock up inventory to slap at a data center or whatever.
It could also mean that you have a bunch of people that bought things
and are struggling to pay for them. And you're expecting a lot more orders to come in,
and those ones aren't coming in. And both of those things are happening at the same time.
So you have a lot of inventory stocking up. You have a lot of people not paying for the stuff that you've already moved.
There's a lot of different things that it could mean. It doesn't necessarily mean bad, but it doesn't necessarily mean good.
Not financial advice.
I'm just throwing that out there. I want to throw that out there.
Not financial advice. Neither of us are.
Zero NVIDIA investment. Zero NVIDIA investment.
I'm zero NVIDIA. Not because I think they're like bad investment.
I just don't invest in NVIDIA. People have clearly made a lot of money out of it.
Yeah. And I wish them well.
I hope that there are many leather jackets in their futures.
Sure. Maybe even leather jackets in their options.
That was pretty good. That was pretty good.
Sorry. It hurts.
Yeah. So meanwhile, this, that's been interesting to watch over the last.
This is a Bitcoin month.
Yeah. Like is the is the bubble popping now?
Like is it happening? Like everyone, everyone with sort of any kind of connection to reality knows we're in a bubble.
Yeah. It's just that you can't know when it will pop until it has already popped.
And in this case, I can't even tell like if this is a if this is a a blip or if this is a real,
if this is a real pop. Because I mean here, like, you know, Bitcoin is a perfect example of just this like volatility.
This and this don't look markedly different.
They look a little different, but like, you know, okay, this was a popped bubble.
I'd say, I'd say this. Oh man, the way that this is accelerating.
Okay. It does look bad. Yeah. It's pretty. Oh, she's spicy.
She's spicy. Did you see my Oracle one?
Bring it up, bring it up, bring it up. Oracle five days, nine percent.
Let's see five years. Oh yeah, that's a good way. To the right, to the right, to the right.
Okay. Is this it? Is it time? I think the most, to me, a very interesting part of this is a lot of people have been pointing at
open AI. Yeah, not financial advice. That's going to be the one that is the most interesting, but open AI is not public.
Right. So you can't see it. That's like saying, you know, SpaceX is going to be the bellwether for when the, you know,
trillionaire space exploration bubble pops or whatever.
What a bubble. Oh no, the four people it's going to affect.
That bubble is very well protected. Bezos and shambles.
What is he going to do this summer? Have to go back to Italy.
Yeah. How's everyone else doing? You got, you got NVIDIA there?
Yeah, I can grab that one up there down. Yeah, I just, I just want to see the shape.
You know, I want to see the shape. Check out Roblox. Okay, five days.
This is their five days.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's their, that's their one. They're pretty bold. So five days.
One's kind of flatting. Yeah. Five years. I want to see the five years and see the shape.
Okay. Okay. So that doesn't really look. It's not a mass of fall yet.
Yeah. It doesn't look markedly worse than things we've seen before.
Well, 1,266%.
But yeah, the five days is down about four.
Yeah. Okay. Not as bad as Oracle. Why do you want me to look at Roblox, Dan?
Do you, do you? You would be very surprised. Roblox?
Roblox? Why is Roblox crashing? Yeah.
What happened? Uh-huh. What? Well, yeah. Why is Roblox falling off a cliff?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Look at the one month. Everybody forgets about Roblox.
No, financial advice. Look at one month. Oh, well, I mean, I'm, I'm looking at five years.
30%. Yeah. What, what, what, okay.
Explain yourself. Can you, can you, yeah. Yeah. Why did you bring up Roblox?
I mean, I can't because not financial advice, but it is a tech stock if you want to think about it like that.
It's very interesting as a, as a something to look at, I guess.
You're being so vague. We, we understand it's not financial advice.
I mean, I have to be. You just want to know what the fuck you're talking about. It's included in a lot of managed EFT portfolios
and other stuff like that. I see. As, as one of a, like a very big indicator on,
on that kind of like tech portfolio stuff. Roblox is absolutely massive.
It's also, you know, played by, I don't know how many people these days.
A lot of it's fake. And so to see it also dipping is quite interesting.
I see. I don't know if it's, if it's just like a market correction
or if this is like, if this is it.
Or if this is it. It's very easy to be all doomer about it.
Yeah. I think, I think obviously everything's on sale right now.
And not financial advice.
And you just got to keep saying that. Parachutes are not.
You want to see another interesting one? I'm pretty sure I got this from Mr. Atrioc as well.
I don't think parachutes work that great from a building anyway. So exactly.
Google's one month. Yeah. Up 18.6%.
Google's five day up 4.6%. One day up 3.33%.
So Google's still on a tear. I mean, I got to feel like part of that has got to be
that Berkshire just like bought a ton of it. And not even just them soaking up so much of the available stock,
but also just when Berkshire does something,
they tend to be trend setters. So I don't even, not financial advice.
None of this is financial advice. But it is also just interesting.
At Zelm says they're doing buybacks. I don't, yeah, I don't know that.
I have not followed what Google's been doing lately.
Microsoft's apparently down 7%.
Man, this is, what a, what was it?
I wasn't there. I wasn't old enough. What was it like to live through the dot com crash?
I don't know. Like neither of us were there, but it feels like this is our generations dot com crash
to go along with our generation's COVID crash, to go along with our generation's 2008 financial crisis.
Here's a fun question. What if we have a 2026 financial crisis
because of the housing market and an AI bubble crash at the same time?
What if we doubled it and gave it to ourselves?
That's an awesome idea. And then COVID too.
And also like out of control national debt.
Don't forget about that potential crisis. Military actions, we've got some of those.
Oh yeah, right, that. Yes, a few of those. This is going to be fun.
I think are we approaching the great filter?
Is that what the ultimate interesting times are?
May you live through interesting times? It's just like, oh my God.
May you survive the filter? We're so special. Okay, here we go.
Hear me out. Hear me out.
Ammunition.
And canned food.
Do you think even? Well, I mean, okay, hold on. Not financial advice.
This is why we're saying Linus Town the whole time. It's to protect us from the climate wars.
Yeah. Where's the town going to be, Dan?
In the desert of most of Canada.
Good news, man, Joe. Yeah, a lot of the military ones are not doing too bad.
Great. Okay, hear me out.
Hear me out. Oh boy.
Tech yacht or tech plane? So when sh** goes down.
You're going to outrun the sun like that crappy movie?
I don't even remember the name of that movie.
Tech Lunar Base. I'm super down.
Tech Lunar Base, I'm down. Ship me to the moon, dude.
Let's go. Yeah, okay.
Do you think even? I bet you CW Engineering could make bang in body armor.
Do you think even gold will be worth anything in the next major like societal meltdown?
Will the oldest currency survive? What level of societal meltdown are you talking about?
I don't know, whatever's coming. Okay, but you're talking, you said-
We're going full prepper, both of us. Okay, okay, so full prepper.
Yeah, we're going full prepper, yeah. Like will it be literally water, ammunition, food?
I think it's that, but for a dense period of time.
Hold on, hold on, I actually liked Dan's answer. Did you just say downloading the entirety of Wikipedia?
Like having access to food, guns, and then Wikipedia.
Let's do some self-revealing prepper stuff right now. I have a decent amount of Wikipedia stuff on my phone.
Knowledge is great because they can't just kill you and take it.
Whereas they can kill you and take your stockpile of whatever.
No, but if it's encrypted, if you're literally the only one, actually no, even then they can just like put a gun to your head
and tell you they'll pull the trigger if you don't unlock it. Decrypted. But then if you don't unlock it,
then they can't pull the trigger if they want the knowledge. So it's better than a bunch of bananas in terms of keeping you alive.
Yeah, I mean, I guess so.
But yeah, I think that would be a condensed period of time. And then you're going to want to start like making things again.
And you'll probably want currency again, because currency it turns out is like pretty useful.
Trade is like a pretty neat idea. And carrying around like cans of food is actually not convenient.
I think the new currency should just be like little USB flash drives
with the entirety of Wikipedia on them. And that is like your new currency in the after the apocalypse.
That's really specific. I mean, knowledge is power.
But why would you give her, why would you want to give people the entirety of Wikipedia?
I will give you 12 knowledge for your cow, please.
This one has pictures. I added classical literature pictures to it.
Then you have the like illicit ones. Can we get some dirty Chaucer poems?
This one has the pelvic bone structure.
That's it. Knowledge of from when people were clean.
I've got dentistry from 1805.
Porn would probably be pretty big.
Yeah, here's the model that just came out.
Oh, a 3D printer. Oh, 3D printer would be huge.
And a bunch of filament. You'd have to stock up filament.
But there is that, I don't know how good it is, but I've seen those people that like shred the plastic bottles
and make filament out of that. I don't know if it's good. We're doing a video on that.
Oh, cool. Like what you can do with like both reclaimed 3D printer poops
and also making things out of like other stuff.
That's really cool. Yeah, one of the new guys is kind of exploring that.
We're just kind of doing our typical LTT kind of shallow dive
into all the kind of cool stuff that's going on in that space right now.
It's going to be really good.
What else? What else would there be? Yes, spools of filament become the new caps.
How will the sock warranty work though? Ask Zandre B in this apocalypse.
Yeah, dude. How have you not planned for this? It's in person.
Do you not have a continuation plan for actual apocalypse?
Not if I'm a raider. Trust me, bro, survive.
It's pronounced raidist. I'm running through the waste and I step on a spike
and we have to amputate my foot, but I wish to give my sock to someone else.
You have no sock license that doesn't allow it to be transferred.
And I want to get a new sock.
How does this work?
I think, whoops, what am I doing right now? How do I contact LTT Store support?
Carrier Pigeon. Is it a bird calling?
Yeah, how are we going to charge them? Otherwise, we'll lose our government.
All right, I'm not ready to go prepper yet, but no.
I have some very minor stuff. I bought a relatively small case of a new sock.
Uh, MREs, but that wasn't even government collapse stuff.
That was just like earthquake. What if the power's out for three days?
Not smart. Yeah, I don't know. And there's like a little bit of water because there was,
our building's been pretty okay for a while, but there was like a lot of problems for a long time.
And there was a serious thing where like, if these levels of problems that we're having
start splitting into electrical as well,
like the food in the fridge is going to spoil, and then it would be kind of nice if we could exist at home
and have food at that time. SJW5135 says LTT bug hope bag.
Nice. That'd be kind of sick.
It could have a spot for all the USB drives of knowledge.
Yeah, like you've got that, uh, cell phone pocket in your,
in your jacket. It's just got like a couple things for USB drives of Wikipedia.
Oh, heck yeah.
Um, all right. Our other topic that's left before after dark
is what I'm doing this weekend. Yeah, what are you doing this weekend? I am finally getting my air brake certification.
Oh, so you can drive the fire truck. Which will allow me to daily drive my fire truck
that I purchased many moons ago. I can't wait till you park it in front of your neighbor's place.
Didn't I hear that the service people were like upset
because normally, you know, uh, it doesn't see six kilometers
between regular services. Really? Something like that?
Well, you had to go get serviced regularly. Oh, how regular?
It's a, it's a fire truck. Well, yeah, it's fire.
It's like yearly service, something like that has to be done.
It's had like seven kilometers since that service.
Oh, so they were upset about that? They were confused.
Oh, I see. Yeah, it looks like parked.
Okay, I understand. I thought it was like Dan was talking about the other way around.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I misinterpreted that. Oh, don't know. I thought you were saying it needs service every seven kilometers.
I was like, no. No, that's so confusing.
All right. I finally lost it. While you guys get started, I'm going to run to the washroom.
Not having another one of these did not prevent that. He could have been hydrated the whole time.
He could have. Damn it. I guess we're going into after dark then.
Yes, you're. I have a couple in here for you.
Moving on. That we can look at.
Hooray. And then I keep opening the wrong app on my phone.
After dark, Google search Luke.
Question for Luke and maybe Linus. Oh, how do you see AI genuinely enhancing player experiences in games?
And where could it start to go wrong as studios fall
into the usual notification pattern?
It's kind of tough because there's like, there's, there's been examples of how it could be used in single player games already.
I mean, there's Skyrim mods, right? That have like AI followers.
You could have AI Lydia or whatever.
In my opinion, like.
Playing something like Baldur's Gate. I don't think I even want that.
I want the word by word tailored experience
that they were able to deliver to me.
Oh wait, they can even see it. Nothing happened.
But yeah, I kind of want the tailored experience that they can give to me. I do think there will be scenarios where
having the dynamicism of something like an AI follower thing would be great.
Like I've had this vision for a squad combat game
where you're like a squad leader to a certain degree. And you can communicate with your team
through your microphone on your computer, but it's a single player game and they can communicate back.
And it's not just simple commands like stack up.
Like you could do more complicated things
and they might actually be able to understand and react properly and converse with you
and things like that. It could be very, very interesting.
There are definitely opportunities where it could be really cool. I don't remember the second part of the question.
There was two parts, I swear. Where can it start to go wrong if it falls into the usual digitification pattern?
Oh yeah. A lot of those AI character mods for Skyrim are kind of junk.
I think they, I mean, you've all conversed with AI
for too long before. They can really lose the plot. They go weird.
Yeah, it can get really weird. It can get really outside of the game.
Yeah, I'd love to see it more in the like interacting
with commands rather than like it being
the intention for the story. Yeah, like I really like that squad combat idea,
like I mentioned. But yeah, I don't think I want to be able to ask Lydia
about quantum physics and have her be like, ah, yes!
That thing that hasn't been invented. I can totally answer that for you. I know what toilet paper is.
Yeah, and there's no real way with the current systems
that we have to actually ensure that that's not going to become a problem.
I can pretty much guarantee you
that it will be a little bit whack.
So I have a not answer, but at least a response
on the whole, how are we handling people who move between Floatplane tiers?
Sammy said this was an edge case we didn't consider. Colton and I will discuss on Thursday with a plan,
but the focus will be to do what's best for the customer.
So that's not an answer, that's not a commitment, but it is a attitude.
Up next, and a dev change.
Very cool. Hello. Have you found the refrigerant
for your super cooler machine yet? If not, I have priced out how much it would cost for me.
Licensed EPA 608 and buy it. 2600 for 10 pounds, 15 pounds your needs.
Oh, interesting. I don't know that for sure, but Dan, can you mark that?
And it's actually Elijah who is following up that project.
I think we have a technician coming in next week
to do an assessment of the machine. We managed to get in touch with the same guy
who decommissioned it. Yeah, that's crazy. Which is pretty, pretty beneficial
when it comes to machines of that sort of temperamentality
and complexity. So he apparently said that when it was decommissioned,
it was working. And considering how long it's been,
it looks like it's in great shape from an initial just glance.
As we dig deeper, we could find stuff, but yeah.
I am hopeful that we will return it to working order.
I am not very hopeful that it will serve us.
Make any sense? Yep. We'll get to that later.
We'll get to that in the video. Oh, I think there's even.
Yeah, sure. All right. Next up. Good evening, Disneyland resort.
I don't know what people try. In catching up with previous WAN shows,
I've learned of Linus' love of Joseph
and the amazing Technicolor green coat. There was red and yellow and green and orange and violet
and pink and night camp. He cannot.
Was that accurate up till there? The very beginning was. Nice.
Linus, can you name all the colors in order? He could not. Because it starts to have a whole bunch of like other ones,
like ochre and like coat colors in order song lyrics.
Hold on. Red and yellow and green and brown.
Oh, no, I was totally wrong. I thought the first three. Did I say red, yellow, green?
Right. And yellow and green. Yeah, I think I got that. And brown and scarlet and black and ochre and peach
and ruby and olive and violet and fawn and lilac and gold and chocolate and cream and crimson and silver and rose
as your lemon, gray, purple, white, pink, orange and blue.
Apparently. That is obscene.
Nice. Nice. Cool coat. Heck yeah.
Such a great musical. Howdy, DLL and chat.
Now that the holidays are upon us, what are some of y'all's
family holiday family traditions that are specifically yours
that no other friends or family do? Thanks and happy holidays, y'all.
I've kind of won. I don't know if this counts because I don't know that no one else does it.
But we are on purpose, extremely slow doing presents.
Like very much on purpose.
You essentially generally go, you go one person at a time
unless there's mirror gifts. Like if people are receiving the same thing,
they receive them at the same time. But other than that, you go one person at a time.
The idea is that they open it.
There's often like an opportunity for the person who gave the gift to like talk about it or why they might have
thought it was good for them or whatever. That's not a pressure. They'll like pass it around.
People can check it out. You like experience it for a moment and then you move on
to the next one. It's not the like frenzy, open up everything super fast.
There's none of that. There's often, even selecting it, like it'll often be,
you know, you're not allowed to pick one that you gave someone. You're not allowed to pick something for yourself
and you can go up and pick it. But now that there's little ones, like we try to get them
to do it. In the past, we'd try to get like Chloe, the dog to like,
and mom tried to train her to like go grab presents. That sounds like such a year mom thing to do.
Yeah. And yeah, it's like a whole thing.
It takes all day.
But it's cool.
I like it a lot personally. It is a very defended tradition.
Dumb question. You're on speaker on WAN Show.
That's not a question. What are some of y'alls? Nice.
What are some of y'alls family holiday traditions that are specifically yours and no other friends
and family do? Do we really like have a lot of like traditions?
I don't really feel like we do. I'm kind of at a loss here.
Well, we put up those Christmas lights all around our family room.
I don't think most people do that. I don't think putting up Christmas lights is a... Well, no, no.
Like that is a very normal thing to put on your roof or like on a Christmas tree, but decorating the couch
and the fireplace with Christmas lights is kind of different.
Yeah. I don't know if it is. Okay. Fireplace. No couch.
Kind of weird. Okay. Well, okay. Fireplace super normal couch.
I do always put them on the couch. Couch is not okay.
So, well, I can explain why.
So one of the things that was really cool for me as a kid,
even once I knew that Santa wasn't real, is that my parents would deck out the living room.
So Santa didn't just leave presents for our family.
Santa also decorated our living room.
So we will put up our tree,
which often isn't even in our living room. Right now it goes in just our foyer.
So when you walk in, there's like a Christmas tree. But we don't do like Christmas morning there.
So we don't do our gift exchange there. So we don't have...
So that's in the living room. So before the kids or after the kids go to bed,
we'll do like the usual normal stuff. So we do...
Sometimes we forget to do the plate with the cookies and the carrots or whatever for the reindeer.
But what we've always consistently remembered to do is the note
and then also Santa puts up a bunch of Christmas lights
in our living room. So that when you come into the room, it's like very Christmas in that room
and it wasn't when you went to bed. So I guess that's kind of different.
Yeah, I didn't really think of that. That's cool. That's nice. Yeah, I like that.
Yeah. You always wanted it to be like magical feeling when they walked in.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can't really think of anything else. Now I get an apology, right?
Because you said no. I said no to what? It was special.
You said that wasn't special. You said I was wrong. Well, no, I just mean...
I called your tradition weird, which makes it unique.
Okay. Well, I mean, I just don't think nobody else does that. Surely somebody else.
Surely somebody else does that. I googled Christmas lights on couch.
Zero results. Okay, thank you for that, Dan. I even looked up Whoville living rooms and Whoville couches
and not even they did Christmas lights on the couch. You are unique.
All right, I'm officially a snowflake. Okay, thanks for thinking of that, Vaughn.
Okay, see you tonight. No apologies, though. Oh, yes, I'm very sorry.
Well, I mean, it was, it ended up being my thing that I called not special.
So it's not like I dissed her.
Oh my gosh. But I'm sorry. How about this? I'm sorry for disagreeing with you.
Wow. I'm sorry, you got your feelings.
I'll see you in a bit and I'll see the couch too. Bye. Yeah, I think you will.
Can you put some Christmas lights on it for me? All right, Vance, whatever.
Up next, different vans.
How about another one? Yeah, hit me.
Wrapped up my first internship and realized for the first time
that quote-unquote being a good employee is a skill you need to learn and isn't taught in school.
Other than the basics, how do I be a good employee?
I feel like this will always come across
kind of abrasive coming from me because it's been 14 years since I've been an employee.
I feel like this is one of those ones where I obviously have thoughts on what I felt made me a good employee.
You know, when I was at NCIX, I obviously have thoughts on what makes a good employee here.
I think there's a lot of different ways that you can approach this.
I think you can approach it from like an attitude and culture and fit standpoint.
I think that you can get away with a lot
in terms of financial value that you bring to a business.
If you just bring a super can-to attitude and you make the place a great place
to work for other members of the team, I think in the same way,
you can get away with being kind of a dour shithead
if you deliver huge financial gains for the company.
But in terms of skills that you need to learn
that aren't taught in school, like I don't know, how do you be a good employee?
Yeah, okay, Pancras is in the chat. He says, give a crap about what you do.
Yeah. I mean, that's a lot of it. That's, oh, God, that's you.
The culture side is like almost most important, in my opinion.
You can be extremely good at something, but if you're like a toxic dour shithead,
no one's going to want to work with you and then you're going to end up creating a space that is bad
and is not very productive and doesn't work very well.
So that doesn't mean don't speak up.
This conversation often gets conflated. You should absolutely speak up when the time is right.
If something is bad, you should bring it up.
Ideally, you bring it up and raise potential solutions,
even if you don't necessarily think they're going to happen.
Even if you don't necessarily think they're possible, just show that you cared enough to try to think about
helping to solve the problem.
And if you do have a really good solution, then even better.
But if you just complain all the time
and are a downer to like be around,
that's not helpful. I mean, it's a lot of the things that make you a good person
to be around ever. Yeah. Yeah, honestly, it's exactly the same skills.
I'd say being a good employee is the same as being a good friend,
is the same as being a good spouse, is the same as being a good parent,
is the same as being a good boss. And I think that's true if the person you're working for
isn't a dinkhole as well. Yeah, that's a major factor. It takes two to tango.
And I mean that in both a positive and a negative way.
It takes two people to have a conflict and it takes two people to have a harmonious relationship.
If someone else is engaging in bad faith, then no amount of you being a positive contributing member of the team
who cares about what you do and does all these things that we're saying, no amount of it is going to help
and you just need to get the f*** out of there. Or a negative one. And sometimes, and sometimes honestly,
that need to just get out is not even necessarily
because the other person was a bad person. Sometimes people just are abrasive to each other.
Or are incompatible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, we're not trying to-
You might just not fit in that workspace. We're not trying to judge every situation here at all.
Just kind of trying to- You asked for the basics. Yeah, and it effectively comes down to like
be good in the relationship or exit.
Yeah. This one is mostly for Linus. Does your son regret choosing the Switch 2
over any of the computer handhelds since the video? I asked him this two days ago.
I asked like, hey, are you using your Switch 2 much? And he said, no, I actually have not been using it that much.
Because part of the deal for this was to help him-
Like part of the idea was that it was a gift, obviously,
very extravagant gift. Very learning moment. Privileged gift.
But I also think that even in the context of a gift,
you can still learn lessons about money management.
And what I offered him was a choice of like a hype device,
knowing that there's going to be an overtime cost associated with it,
a very expensive first party titles, or the uncertain device that at the time,
the ROGX Box Alli-X was not announced even yet,
or sort of the devil you know, which is actually more expensive up front,
but that's my burden, but you'll have more affordable games.
But these are games that you could have just played on your desktop PC anyway. So he had kind of these three choices.
And so I resolved,
when he made the choice of the Switch 2, that I wasn't going to buy games for him.
So he has Mario Kart, and he has Remastered,
Breath of the Wild, and Tears of the Kingdom, because I wanted those for myself,
even though I haven't ended up really like playing any of them.
But other than that, I'm not just going to run out and buy games for it.
And so we own Aces.
We own whatever the fitness one is, Ring Fit.
We own Ring Fit Adventure. But other than that,
so yeah, he can just play like some Switch games that we own, and then those three like Remastered and New Console titles.
And so yeah, he hasn't really been using it. I didn't actually specifically ask him
if he regretted it. He didn't bring that up on his own,
but I do know that he hasn't been using the Switch too much.
Hey, Dynast Duke and Dan. I recently purchased some somewhat large plastic bins
and was surprised by the market price at the size.
What is something you thought was inexpensive until you went to buy it? Oh my God, plastic bins.
I was just going to say, Garbage cans?
What the hell? What are you talking about? Why is it so freaking expensive?
Garbage cans are nuts. I don't get it.
When I became an adult, cheese. I had no idea how much utensils cost
until the first time I bought them. I was just like,
this is insane because I don't know that my family had ever bought them.
We always just had a whole drawer of like mismatched random stuff.
So when Yvonne and I moved out and were adulting
for the first time, I wanted matching cutlery. That was just something that felt like
a we've made it thing to have to me because I'd never had it in my entire life.
I found out how much matching cutlery cost us the fuck.
This is ridiculous. People are going to call me Jeep again.
I've never done it. Yeah, I don't blame you.
Even I can't, it's cheap. And those ones suck.
Yeah. Like they're just, they're not like, it's like, what mouth is this for?
Do Swedish mouths really look like this? Like I don't understand it.
I get made fun of of my spoons.
I, yeah, I remember the garbage can thing.
I remember like Emma wanted to buy one.
And I think I saw the price and like scoffed and was just like, ugh,
she's not like valuing the dollar, you know?
She hasn't shopped enough. And I went to go look into it. I went to like Canadian Tire or something to buy a garbage can.
I just, I think I was there for like an hour.
They have like half an aisle of garbage can options.
My brain was just exploding. I was like, there's no way.
It's like, this is insane. I must have done something wrong.
Maybe I would, is this the wrong place? Let me look at stuff online.
Like they put the can in the wrong spot.
There's no, it's a garbage can. Why does it cost like $200?
Am I in the lawn mower section? Did they swap them? What is happening right now?
It just makes no sense.
And it's, it's not like fancy. Yeah, like, and I don't think this, I don't know,
but I don't think this is like a super fancy brand or anything as a Home Depot, all these different places.
Simple human garbage can, $240.
What are we talking about? It's a metal cube. Why?
Oh my goodness, the pop-ups. Holy.
Anyways. Tape is wildly expensive to me.
Like masking tape. Okay. It's a roll of paper.
Yeah. Like, have you seen how much a roll of masking tape costs? No.
Yeah, it's like, I think last time I was at Home Depot it was like $7 or $8 or something like that.
Like, what the heck? When I was running my painting business, they were like a buck 50, two bucks.
Like, depending on the thickness.
I feel like there's a lot of stuff that's like that these days, though.
What are you guys talking about? What are people talking about?
RAM. Yeah. Yeah, RAM.
Definitely that. Might be cheaper to use it to buy your food at this point.
Eat your food, Daniel. It's late. I'm sorry.
Get some DDR4 and my spaghetti. Okay, so part of my problem is that I was not looking at bulk packs.
So here you go. Here's like some painters blue, right?
$10.37 each. What the fuck is going on here?
That's actually pretty nice. You can get cheaper ones. Just like the horrible contractor grade like beige masking tape is cheap.
But like the good stuff for like cutting paint lines is not.
The cheaper green one in a bulk pack is still, what is this?
A six pack for, so that's like still $4 each.
Which is just, yeah, more than double what I used to pay for it back when I was a painter.
Which I realized was sort of a hot minute ago. This is like old manuals at cloud's level at this point.
But I mean, literally it was a merge message. Somebody asked. I'm not bringing it up out of nowhere.
Hi, Lee Luton Da, Lee Luton Da.
Thought song companies requiring all employees to learn about agentic AI.
I get learning about the uses and risks of agentic AI.
What about requiring all know how to develop one?
Is anyone actually requiring anyone to know how to develop one? Never heard of that.
That doesn't sound right. Requiring them to use it, I do, I have heard of.
What about like maybe a little bit more loose terms, like setting one up to do an agent style task
that they would have for their workflow. Oh, okay, I see what you mean. That sounds like you're just following up on training.
Yeah, sounds like professional development. I think it's, I think that as long as they're not forced to actually use it,
if it doesn't make sense for them, then that's probably fine. I mean, I don't really mind a company investing in professional development
for the people who work there. And I don't see this as really any different from doing a workshop on,
like getting along with different personality types or any other skill.
I feel like I need more details.
Hi, LLD. This is Chloe from Malaysia.
I'm buying these for my boyfriend for Christmas. Nice. Question for Linus.
Where is your family from originally? My boyfriend's last name is Sebastian too.
Ah, okay. So I actually get into this. Oh, Dan, your boyfriend's getting some.
Wow, you got a backpack? Oh, black silver shaft.
Backpack, tech sack, and screwdriver. That's a pretty good Christmas.
Hopefully he doesn't watch her as spoilers. Chloe from Malaysia who had anonymous as their name.
Oh, yeah. What's up with that Chloe from Malaysia, whose boyfriend's last name is Sebastian?
That's so specific. Maybe we should have said the stuff.
I mean, she's the one who put it in there.
I don't make the rules. No, I mean. We don't have their last name.
Yeah. That's why it's anonymous. One last name. Yes.
And they're not married, they're boyfriend, so presumably her last name is not Sebastian yet.
They're going to have to keep them. Well, after they open their presents, it might be Chloe Sebastian.
Yeah, sorry. Damn good presents. So we're actually going to cover this in the Linus Torvalds collab,
but throughout the video, kind of like, you know, I like to point out things I have in common with Taylor Swift.
So I played that game with Mr. Torvalds throughout our build.
Things that we have in common is that at some point in our lives or other,
we've been observed. We've observed that we have rather prominent human beaks.
We both obviously have the name Linus.
That was one. And also, we both have kind of bullshit made up last names.
His last name is not like a real last name. A member of his family kind of arbitrarily assigned it to themself.
And is that not where they all kind of came from? And that's where they all came.
Well, oh, sure. I mean, at some point, but like,
it's there's no like Iceland, Iceland actually has a structure for it.
It's your dad's name plus son, I think.
But like most places are pretty random. But you're a Lafrenier and there's like a lineage there.
There's like, you have like, there's that. Sure. There's people named Lafrenier.
And there is some, some probability that you are related to them in some way.
Sure. Whereas with Torvalds, apparently it is a 100% I am related to this person
because that lineage only goes back to like his grandparent.
Oh, this is like very recent. Very recent. Okay, I understand. And then so mine is also, I don't know.
It's also made up last name. My, my mom changed her last name as part of some sort of reasoning that she had for it.
And then when she married my dad, he took her name actually.
And so that name was passed to me.
And so I am, I am a second generation Sebastian as a last name.
So it has nothing to do with where my family's from originally. As for where my family's from originally, on the one side,
Canada, Canadian mutt on that side, just, I don't know.
I'm pretty sure that my great grandmother had a dowry that involved livestock.
Nice. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I keep just, yeah, Canadian mix.
There may be some Canadian like native in there somewhere,
not enough for any kind of status or anything. Who knows, complete mix.
And then the other side, and this is awkward, is I'm a quarter Russian and a quarter Ukrainian.
So, nice. Yeah. So you have some internal conflict. Very, yeah.
Half of me has been at war for the last few years.
It's, it's, it's been rough. It's been rough.
Up next. Hello, LDP.
Sure. Thoughts on data center sprawl. Oh, hold on.
Corey G asks, did Linus do a test kit? No. So everything that I just said might be complete nonsense,
because I'm counting on my family to have told me, because there is no way that I would do one of those ancestry tests.
Nice. Hello, LDP.
Thoughts on the new data center sprawl. Just came back from Indiana helping the data center team there,
and locals are not jazzed about giant data centers plopped in the middle of farmland.
Understandable. Understandable. Uh, I don't, I don't understand how the, it's, it's so funny because there was a lot of like
hand wringing over how electric vehicles were going to overburden the grid.
But like this is, this is on a completely different level.
And in some cases, like, like you said, like in the, in the middle of nowhere sometimes, because
they're just looking for basically as far as I can tell anywhere where there's power.
And then putting down these giant facilities that realistically don't employ that many people,
which kind of blows, even though there's like, like high tech, you know, industry moving in.
And then just like sucking up all the power. I, I, yeah, 100% or, or in some cases just like expelling emissions.
Um, you know, I feel like, I feel like this, how I feel like taxes, you know, I, I pay my taxes.
I pay a lot of taxes. I don't mind as long as that's being used for something useful.
Like I, um, we have an AMD ultimate tech upgrade coming up.
I don't, I don't, I don't know if we've talked about this, but one of, one of our team members
was actually diagnosed with stage three cancer, uh, a little while ago.
And, um, I shouldn't say a little while ago is quite a while ago now.
And we finally got to do their AMD ultimate tech upgrade because they're finally back to work
and feeling up to, you know, being on camera.
And, uh, and it was, it was a really exciting, like really happy, um, AMD ultimate tech upgrade.
And, um, you know, one of the, uh, one of the things that I take a lot of, you know,
pride in, uh, both personally, and, uh, this, this may be very surprising to some of the people
watching, um, who are from, you know, other parts of the world, but as a Canadian as well,
something that I take a lot of national pride in is our socialized healthcare.
It is not perfect. And that is the very first thing that I will say about it.
I don't know of one that is, I don't know of any healthcare system that is perfect and neither is ours.
But what I do know is that our team member was diagnosed with stage three cancer and was able
to be treated without out of pocket expense for the most part.
Um, and like, you know, there was some things, especially incidental things.
And, and, you know, I also take great pride. Um, so he mentioned that, uh, and this is all on camera.
This is all coming, uh, but he mentioned that there was like an anti nausea medication
that was $50 a pill or something like that.
And I was like, Oh, but like, sorry, was that out of pocket?
And he goes, well, it was 90% covered by LMG's coverage.
And I'm like, and I only needed like a dozen of them.
And I was like, okay, okay, okay, okay. You know what, that's, that's good to know. So like, are there still costs?
Yes. Let me repeat.
I pay a lot of taxes.
We pay for it all. But, you know, when I, when I see it in action, um, I don't mind that.
I don't like to see it wasted. And a lot of it does get wasted. And there's a ton of that.
Yeah. There's a ton of waste. And, and I, and I hate that. But also don't know of a system that doesn't have a ton of waste.
Yeah. So I guess I have the same thoughts on data centers, right? Like if it's doing something really useful and benefiting humanity,
we're doing aerodynamics research for a new generation of more efficient vehicles,
or we're doing whatever, right? Like, sure, yeah, I'm super into it.
We're, I don't know. We're generating seahorse emojis.
I, I guess I'm not as, I'm not as jazzed on what they're doing right now.
No, dude. Yeah. So, yeah, dude. So my feelings are mixed.
My feelings are mixed. Let's go.
Honestly, how has Apple escaped prosecution?
The browser locking alone with Safari on iOS fundamentally destroyed web apps for over a decade.
They make 90s Microsoft look like petty shoplifters.
There's a lot of that. Microsoft has a dollar sign in the middle of it,
even though the S also kind of looks like a dollar sign.
I don't know either. I, I haven't been able to figure it out.
And it seems like I, like I felt like alongside many of you sort of like the emperor has no clothes for a long time.
Like when the whole epic lawsuit thing happened, I was like, Oh yes, this is very obvious.
Surely this will be very obvious to everyone that this is, this is antitrust.
And this is non competitive behavior dive in front of the billionaire.
People would do anything to shield the trillion dollar company from criticism.
And I don't understand it. If something is bad when Microsoft does it, then it's bad when Apple does it.
It's that simple. And we can't let our tribalism and our loyalties get in the way of that.
But we do, we allow it. And I, I don't get it.
I don't get it either. I'm sorry. I got nothing.
I could use some more abrasion resistance slash ripstop stuff for hiking and fishing.
Are there any Nyko fabric items in the works?
I don't know what that is. Nyko, I'm a look it up.
Just because I don't know the terminology doesn't necessarily mean we aren't doing anything with it.
Okay. High performance lubricants. That's, that's a result.
Nylon cotton.
Oh.
Not that I know of right now.
Yeah. Let's go with a, let's go with a not that I know of right now.
Sorry. But hey, enjoy your screensaver party shirt.
G'day, L-D-I.
I assume that's a lowercase l. It's an I.
You can't prove it. I mean, I can do something.
Yeah. Oh, you know what? No, I think I can. There's another L in here. I think I can, and I think I can analyze this.
Hold on a second. You can. There's an L in thermal.
Later on in the same sentence, you can see a lowercase l.
That's not going to help us. Why?
How's that going to help us? Because it looks the same.
Well, yeah, but so does. The top height of the L and the D is higher, as far as I can tell.
Hold on, I'm going to copy and paste it. No, no, you have to copy and paste it into Google Docs
and then do the case change thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There we go.
I put it in a font checker. It is a lowercase l.
I called it. Look at you. He does words professionally.
I believe that. I think I am the lowercase l.
I assume because I'm small l. Sure. I think that was, I think that was the idea.
Big l, D and small l. Currently working on a CubeSat thermal management systems
for my degree. Wait, wait.
How come he gets to be big D? I want to be big D.
No. We all know. Because I don't have to be a little pee pee. We all know you're big D.
No. Yeah. No, we don't. All right. Sorry, I was giving you a narcissist control.
Currently working on a CubeSat thermal management systems for my degree.
What do you see as a big challenge in tech progress?
For example, transistor density size,
thermal power requirements, et cetera. Yes.
That's an annoying answer, but a very good one.
Those are all big problems. I mean, transistor sizes have been, yet another video
that we have coming is going to, it's going to be about how GPU prices
are not NVIDIA's fault, at least not entirely.
And it's going to be a piece on like, hey, yes, NVIDIA has
contributed in these ways, but also, have you heard of a little
company called TSMC? Here is what we can glean from publicly available information
about how their actions have impacted NVIDIA's profitability
and NVIDIA's costs. And if you thought that they were the big bad, well, guess what?
You're wrong. Because there's another monopoly above them called ASML.
Let's talk about them. It's going to be cool.
Yeah, it'll be chill.
Hello, DLL, question for Luke.
If you couldn't keep any birds, would you keep any other pet?
What do you think? How is this a, what?
You're going to finally let us know? No, he wouldn't.
He'd have a dog. Yeah. Only one?
Oh, that's a good question. No, there's no way you'd do two dogs. What about two really small dogs that you could like,
combine the little, he'd want a big dog. Good answer.
I will continue working here. Okay, next merge message.
Hello, Linus, Luke and Dan.
I got my Wen hoodie today and I'm absolutely loving it. I can't.
With HBC, I believe that's the Hudson's Bay Company in liquidation,
would you be willing to license the HBC pattern for clothing and accessory products?
There is no way I'd be able to afford it.
There's no way. That trademark has to be like millions of millions of millions.
I have been very, very lucky, very blessed.
I've worked a lot and I've managed to, as Luke puts it, become quite wealthy.
F***ing guy. He'll never forget that comment.
I will never. You just like dropped that.
However, in the grand scheme of things,
I still come to work every day. I am not like a own global brand's level of...
You can do that and be quite wealthy. I could do which?
What you're describing? Oh, come to work every day? Not own global brands.
Oh, yeah. No, that's true. There's this whole thing where like a lot of... But I'm not that level.
Not even close to even being able to make any kind of reasonable offer.
Like it's not even... Oh, yeah. That's a crazy thing.
That might be difficult for non-Canadians to understand, but if you look it up, it's like a thing.
What else can I say? There's this whole thing I heard about. I don't know if this is legit or not,
but on average, the wealthiest person in middle-sized towns
is the person who owns the concrete plant.
Really? The concrete plant. Because oftentimes those places...
It's like shoe metal too, right? Yeah, it's stuff like that. It's like local supplies for building.
Because if you're in... Every building's got to have concrete.
You can't ship it very far. Just the one company.
Yeah, can't get it from China. You can't get it from the next day.
So you can price gouge pretty hard, and if there's any interest in the town growing,
then they're probably going to use you. They're going to use more concrete. And it goes into freaking everything.
Yeah, and you already have to exist because you need to buy the aggregates
in just obscene quantities of scale. Who's going to start up a concrete business
and buy an entire train of rocks? Do you know?
Right? Right, yeah. To be competitive. Yeah, the moat is just the sheer volume of stuff
that you have to build. And then you will have pre-existing relationships now
with everyone who builds things. Literally everyone.
Yeah. And you can't keep it. It doesn't keep.
You know, you got to make it and send it in a truck.
Crazy. It's interesting.
I think glass is another one. Like basically all like big building materials
that shipping is super annoying for.
Believe it or not, like Styrofoam.
Unbelievably expensive ship just because it's large.
PC Archive in Floatplane Chat says,
I live by a concrete factory in southern Indiana in a tiny town.
They have their own railroad. Exactly.
I wasn't joking about buying a train of rocks.
Yeah. Because it has to be specific rocks. That's why you can't like build skyscrapers in like Dubai
very well because it's desert sand and it has to be river sand.
Yeah, yeah. And like I need like a quarter inch clear crush. I think you mean blood sand.
Yeah, sure. It's like a bleh.
It's wild. And you got to grease palms for the illegal sand trade
because they dig up rivers that they're not allowed to so that they can get the sand for the concrete.
And there's like murder and stuff. Do you not know about this? No, it's crazy. No, blood sand is like not even a joke.
Yeah. Why? This dude, there's a global shortage of sand.
I have heard of that. And so there's like illegal sand mining.
Because it's got to be like smooth. It can't be.
No, no, it has to be jagged. It has to be jagged. It can't be rounded. The wind in the desert like smooths it out
and so it just falls apart and it's useless. Yeah.
Crazy. And it's expensive to make sand.
Because concrete has to cost nothing. It's like, yes.
It's wild because we need the volume of it that we need for construction is crazy.
That's interesting. It's awesome. It's like logistics.
That's what I kind of meant by like, you can still be immensely wealthy
and apparently own a train and the tracks.
And again, with like the sheet metal stuff too, you know.
Sheep metal is a huge one. Yeah. 100% custom host at the time
and you're not going to like ship it across states. Right. Yeah, ideally not.
The Styrofoam one is interesting. I never thought about that, but it makes sense. So I did a case study of volume metric weight.
I did a case study of anvils versus ping pong balls.
And it's pretty traditional. Like if you're doing like train logistics case studies,
which one is like people do. Yeah. Yeah.
If you're going to school for it Linus. Yeah, just like someone would.
Like someone would, yes. Volume versus weight, you know,
Styrofoam blocks, ping pong balls, they don't really fit well together.
They can take up an entire train car and they're kind of like not a very good thing to ship.
And then same with the anvils. They're like unbelievably dense. Oh, wow.
When am I going to get my tungsten cube kind of thing? You know.
Yeah. Yeah. Same with sheet metal, same with like aggregates and stuff.
Yeah. Oh, I remember noticing this was like many years ago.
I remember being surprised how few power supplies there were in like a 40 foot container.
And I was like, oh yeah. Right. Because they can't stack it all the way up
because that would be they would just crush the stuff at the bottom. Yeah. Yep.
And I mean, like that's why we were kind of talking about those plastic bins there earlier.
Yeah. That's why they're so expensive. Yeah. Just because they're large.
Just because you're shipping around mostly air. A garbage can. Mostly air, very expensive to ship air.
I like transport. It's fun. We just need more extremely large format 3D printers.
So I can then just print a garbage can. But what's your take on cis sport?
And should they be separated? I'm just kidding.
We're not, we're not, we're not doing that. He likes, he likes transport.
Oh my god. I'm just moving on.
Evil Fuzzy Bunny says no. When the Evil Fuzzy Bunny is telling you no,
it's time to move on. I mean, I got to ding it, but like I don't want to.
Oh yeah. That actively gave me a headache. Nice.
Nice. Sick. All right. Next one. Crystal's yelling at me.
Good. All the back.
You said you were for how long? Good lord. Who knows?
Why did you make the ranch so long? You said it's going to be a light one.
I'm going to start screaming at you every single time.
I'll take that one. That's fair enough.
I mean, look, if my controversy is going to be five hours into the WAN Show, there's no,
there's no way that anybody actually sees it anymore. It should be fine. There's only 8,000 people watching over on YouTube.
You can clip YouTube videos. People don't seem to know this, which is very strange to me.
Really? You can clip YouTube videos. Yeah. No, it shows up in my dashboard if people clip stuff.
Yeah. I don't know why. I don't know why people don't know that, but I don't know.
Whatever. I think they just, they just don't care. Because most of the controversial people used to be on Twitch
and then now it's mostly like on kick and stuff, right? I don't know.
Probably. Didn't that streamer get arrested? Yeah.
Jack, whatever, Dordy? No idea. Dordy? Yep.
Sure. Yeah. Yep. Wild.
Very silly. Yeah. Didn't that, isn't that David Guy finally a suspect too?
Speaking of just like famous people. No idea. Just like, yeah, yeah, the Tesla guy.
Tragic. Okay. Well, not that he's a suspect. That's good.
Right. Yeah. But the whole situation, very tragic. Sure.
Next one.
Hello, Wanda Tlil. I remember a few years, sorry for answering.
Remember a few years ago when you had mentioned you were trying to move creator warehouse products
to not use any plastic packaging? Was there any updates on that?
Actually, it's been some progress. Yeah. Well, sort of one update that I have is I just got a bunch of
shirts from the store and they're all in plastic bags. So thank you for reminding me to send an irate email.
To be clear, there may be a very good reason.
Not every supplier is able to source them and not every product is ultimately compatible with non-plastic bags.
Like for instance, the backpack still to this day ships with an inflated plastic cushion in it.
Because if we didn't put that there, then there would be so much loss in backpacks that we can sell due to them
being crushed and deformed, which customers do not want.
Which personally, I wish it weren't that way, but I can't change that customers aren't going to want it.
That it would be more wasteful than if we just put bags in all of them.
And then there's certain products that are going to sit on a ship for so long, out on the ocean for so long,
that if we don't put a plastic bag on them, they will be damaged or degraded in some way.
So there's no getting away from it completely. But I did think that our shirts were in glassy bags before,
and I see them in plastic bags now, so I need to kind of figure out what's going on with that.
Hi, LLD. How is the Corolla experiment with a comma 3x
with open pilot going? As someone who drives almost a thousand kilometers a week,
this technology fascinates me. Oh my God, that is so many kilometers.
Can you imagine? Crap. I was making a joke to Riley earlier about walking to Toronto
to get an answer for somebody who's off work at this time,
and that's 5,000 kilometers.
So, wait, 1,000 kilometers a week?
That's not that much, is it? It feels like a lot. It feels a lot to me, I guess, but honestly, that's like,
if it's 100 kilometers back and forth to Vancouver.
50,000 a year, like, hold on a second. It's like standard for most people having a commute, right?
Hold on, I'm not going to show screen. Sure would go off for me, but I do not drive much.
100 kilometer commute, so that would be like commuting to Chilliwack and back every day, maybe more.
So, my old commute to NCIX was 37 kilometers.
Times two. Yeah, times two, which is 70 a day times seven days a week,
is about 500 a week, and that wasn't like... That's assuming you're commuting to NCIX on the weekend.
Oh, sorry, did I say seven? Well, I definitely drove around on the weekend. Like, I definitely went.
So, yeah, I was doing like 500 a week. Did you drive as much on the... I could see it being yes. But that wasn't like the craziest commute.
It was only about half, like 35 minutes or something like that.
Like, people do longer commutes than that. I just mean like... People do longer commutes that aren't necessarily
that much more distance. So, if I'm in Abbotsford, like say like downtown Abbotsford
or Chilliwack, if I'm in Chilliwack and commuting
to downtown Vancouver... Yeah, you'd easily do 1,000 kilometers a week.
That is 200 kilometers a day, and that's 1,000 a week,
so that's just like a long commute. Yeah, that's a long commute. That's a long commute, though.
It's a fair bit of driving. That's true, that's true. It's doable, but that is a long commute.
So, this person has to drive a lot. They have a long commute.
Mixed bag. For the use case of like exactly what Dan said,
you know, from Chilliwack to Vancouver and just like... Highway numbness.
Highway numbness. Lots of it. Really great, sometimes.
So, the previous software update that I was on was like freaking awesome.
Like literally made my brain feel like I had more energy
when I wasn't driving because I hadn't used so much of my limited energy every day
thinking about things on driving on the highway. It was actually really, really fortunate timing
because normally I don't do a ton of highway driving. I just like commute to work and go to badminton.
But I just happened to have to go all the way out to Abbotsford
for a volleyball game for my son. And then I just happened to have to go somewhere really far away for another reason.
Then I happened to have to do it again. I was like, oh, this is actually great because I just switched to this thing
and I really wanted to get some really solid impressions of it.
And it was awesome.
And then I got a new update. And lately, I haven't checked if there's a new one in the last few days.
So maybe there's a new, new one. But the one that I had a week ago, I can't get it to go to full speed.
So I'll set it to, I'll be in a 60 zone kilometers,
which here in specifically the Vancouver area of British Columbia
means that nobody drives 60. Everybody drives anywhere from 70 to 80.
So I'll set it to like 70. And I'll be driving like 55.
And people are like mad. And it won't accelerate anymore.
When I'm in the experimental mode, which has red light recognition,
in the non-experimental mode, the speed attainment is better,
but it doesn't have red light recognition. So I just like, I can't have the best of both worlds
that I had on the previous update. So what's cool about it is when it works well,
it works like so well. It's like life changing if you drive that much when it's not,
but you're at the mercy of software updates, just like any system like this.
So it's been a mixed bag so far.
Apparently after our video, we like wiped out all of their stock, by the way.
Really? Yeah, I was chatting with the visitor that I had earlier this week
who was chatting with someone from there apparently, or heard from someone.
He joked with me because he's been LTT'd before.
Like his site's been love-hugged and his stock has just been wiped out for months
by stuff that we've done in the past. And apparently it happened with them is what I heard.
That's pretty epic. Yeah, it's pretty awesome. Just casual LTT things.
Linus, did Linus make fun of you for nuking your PopOS install?
And will you ever do another switching to Linux video series? No, he didn't at all.
In fact, he fully acknowledged that Linux is quite breakable and imperfect,
and he was very pragmatic and not defensive at all of Linux.
Very cool. But remember, he's Linux kernel.
Not major, not lieutenant.
When you pause for so long, those are my favorite.
And so he doesn't have an emotional attachment necessarily
to the operating systems attached to the kernel.
As for is it time? Yeah, it's absolutely time. It's time.
I'm going to start with my living or my family room PC.
So I'm building myself a steam machine before general availability of the steam machine,
and we're going to go from there. I'm finally doing it. I'm building that steam machine, and I'm so excited.
It's going to be my favorite computer, I think.
Heck yeah. That's exciting. We've got a Floatplane one here.
How many nines is Floatplane? How much would it take to add another nine?
How much would you save if you dropped just one nine?
Yeah, nine percent uptime. No, we're dropping one nine wouldn't put us to nine percent.
I'm pretty sure we're pretty solid. Not even close. Yeah, we are.
We used to track this. There was an era where it was very important to Linux.
Well, there was an era where it used to go down more. That's true.
It's not important to me because we have to be better than Cloudflare.
Well, we got to the point where we were actually beating some extremely major platforms,
and then stopped tracking it so much. But the team has done a fantastic job at increasing that,
and then it stopped being something we cared about.
Yeah, it's like my wife stopped tracking how often I can get it up once it was enough.
We only had that tracker for a while.
Is the marked success of it being enough like the kids running around?
Anyways, yeah, and it's really strong right now.
I should probably praise the team more for that more often.
How many nines is it? I actually don't know anymore, but it's really good.
How much would we save if we dropped a nine? We wouldn't.
Yeah, I don't. Well, it would be down more.
And that means you would save on bandwidth.
So if we couldn't do most of the WAN shows on Flobling.
The WAN Show specifically? We would save a lot of money by it being down.
If we had a four-hour outage every Friday at like 5.30 p.m.
Yeah, you can only do like a half hour right at the end. We would save a measurable amount of money.
Oh no, Flobling went down after the pre-show. But yeah, for the most part, a lot of these services,
this is one of the reasons, like tying back to the conversation earlier,
like you don't buy a certain amount of nines from Cloudflare.
You kind of do, but also like, but it's enough.
You can't like scale it down. Yeah, you can't be like, I'd like a less reliable service, please.
Yeah, like not really. Like it's their own reputation and their own personal pride,
because they know that the s*** is going to roll up a hill if you have an outage. So.
And there's a lot of like skill and ability from the team, but we can't make the team smaller.
Trust me, don't try.
So, yeah. It'd probably be harder to try and make something less reliable.
No. Because there's a lot of stuff like on our team.
Oh, my voice crack. Nice. There's a lot of stuff on our team that is obviously contributing towards it
being much more stable. Yeah, I've seen some of the tools. It's like you don't even have to think about it and it just fixes itself.
Jonathan's done some freaking wizardry, dude. The stuff that I've seen.
If I ever get poached.
It is a different company. So how did it, how did footballing work, Dan? I don't know.
It looked cool though. I see what you mean.
Yeah, there's some really sick stuff there. So like in the, within our control, there's obviously things we could do to make it worse.
Got a couple more here. Hey Linus. Will the steam frame support lighthouse full body trackers
when using the new wireless inside out headset? Basically, can it replace an index while keeping base station full body tracking?
Hi, I am the developer of a tool called Space Calibrator.
And I was watching this WAN Show video about the newly announced Valve hardware
and saw you would like to try base station tracking with the steam frame once you had one in hand.
I'd like to be able to get in contact with you. So you have a line of contact with the developer of Space Calibrator
so that should you encounter issues while setting it up, I can provide guidance.
Sick. Hell, yes. Hecky. So apparently there is a way to do it.
Haven't tried it yet. Don't have a steam frame yet, but I'm in touch with Hecky and apparently they know.
Heck yeah, Hecky. Heck yeah. Let's do it. Man, maybe don't get, do I, maybe I don't get the big screen beyond.
I don't know what to do. I just, you can go to Luke's house and try them both.
I was going to say, I'm almost certainly going to buy a frame. Or to my house and buy, and try them both.
Yeah. Do you have the two? If only there was some way for you to have access to this hardware.
That sounds like interacting with another person. Oh my god.
Absolutely not.
Yuck. Hey DLLL and L and Linus and Luke.
What was the moment you knew that working with the other one was the right choice?
There were times when I didn't feel like it was a choice, but it felt like the right thing to do.
Like we've had our ups and downs, which we've talked about.
Like we've been angry at each other. We've cried.
I think if you have a 10 year relationship that was always easy, it probably wasn't that deep.
I suspect that's true. You know, and it's also a lot more than 10 years at this point.
Which is really weird to like even think about. We had a discussion recently that in not all that many years,
we will have been working together for half of my lifespan. We're not there yet.
There's some years to go. Yeah. But it's not as many years as you would think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I wonder if I've been playing Minecraft more now
for longer than I haven't been playing Minecraft. This is these types of things.
They hurt my life. These questions I find very interesting.
Yvonne and I crossed the threshold a while ago. Yep.
And the weird part is when you realize that it's hard to remember not.
Yeah. Like I remember when I used to talk about how I have had a ton of jobs.
And now I don't say that anymore. I remember remembering. Because for my age it's no longer true.
Things. Right. So it's gotten to the point where I don't really...
You can't trust a member anymore when that's the case. Yes. I don't remember it.
I remember the remembering of it. I have multiple things like that.
Yeah. Yeah. When did we know?
When did we know it was right? I don't know.
It's been good for a long time.
But also, you know, like we had a misunderstanding a couple of weeks ago.
I thought I dealt with that pretty okay. No, no. Yeah, you did. No, no, no, you did.
You did. Did you only scream a little? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Didn't scream at all.
I think over time Luke and I have both gotten better at communicating in general.
I think we've both gotten more... I think we've both become better listeners.
I think that we've both reached a point where we understand each other a lot better.
Like I think I got there first in terms of like living in Luke's head.
But I think that he lives in my head in a really big way now too.
So we kind of like... We have a pretty good idea of how to approach things with each other.
And like what's going to set the other one...
Make the other one bristle a little, you know? Like we...
I don't know. Yeah, I'd say...
I'm... This is kind of a cop-out answer. But I'd say that every day is a new realization that it's the right choice.
And that's what makes it the right choice. Cute.
Thanks. I thought you'd like that. I think there was like...
Two major stages for me, I think.
The Denny's Night, I've told that story like a million times,
was a really big one for me. I can't even understate.
That's so funny because like it's a funny memory for me and I totally remember it.
Not just remembering, remember it. I remember that.
But it was like... It wasn't like when I decided or anything.
No, I think I was already pretty locked in, but there was a certain amount of like,
yeah, we're actually going to f***ing do this. Right. That was like...
And it doesn't matter and maybe we'll have to go back into the kitchen to get the plates.
But like we're going to make this thing happen. There was a level of confidence that was instilled in that moment of like,
things are going to get bad every now and then and we'll figure it out.
And it was clear that we would both do weird stuff.
Yes. To just get something done. Yeah.
Yeah, for those of you not familiar with the story, Luke and I, I was driving him home because we had been,
we'd stayed at work so long together getting NCI X Tech Tips films
that the buses were no longer running. This was true many times.
Yeah. But this one was pretty late. Yeah, it was like very late.
I think it was like three, four in the morning. Something like that. And so I was driving him home and as one of us was like,
we should get food because... Don't remember who, but yeah.
I don't think we'd probably eaten. In a long time. And we ordered our food and the waitress fell asleep.
And we could see that she was asleep and we could see that our food was up.
And instead of waking her, we decided together to go and fetch the food and bring it to the table ourselves
and not disturb her because she seemed like she needed the rest
more than we needed her to go bring us our food. But I think it was just the moment of like,
it's that late that even like Denny's is asleep.
Yeah. Where it was like... All right. Yeah.
I don't know, we're in this. And then there was another time where there was a very large amount of people
that were relatively, not the most influential,
but relatively influential in my life that were pushing me to like split and do my own thing.
And it was tempting, but I like thought about it for a long time.
And then was like, nah. And it wasn't long after that where it was you, me, and Yvonne in a car.
I don't remember where we were going or what we were doing. But I told the guys like, I'm in.
Don't worry about it. Basically. And those times were like very close to each other.
Right. And that was where I was just like, all right, that's it.
I had the deep thought. I had the external pushes.
And I was like, nah. And then, yeah, there it is.
Yeah. And I see no reason for us to rethink any of that at this point.
Yeah, I really, we're very lucky actually in that sense because I, like a lot of stars
had to align for us to kind of meet that early in our careers.
And you can't take that for granted.
Like I could have just as easily hired someone completely different right at the beginning
that would have been a total sort of disaster.
You know, Luke could have just as easily applied for a real job.
Or it could have worked really well. And been stuck in somewhere dead end.
Or who knows? Well, I, you know what? No. For you, maybe you could have been like colossally successful to another level.
But for me, I don't think that that's the case.
Like I'm not going to give you credit for the success of the company.
But what I will say is that I, with fairly close to 100% certainty, would not have achieved
better without you. That I can say. I can't say that about you.
I think you might have achieved greater wealth or personal influence without me.
There's some potential thoughts there. Like the, something that I've kind of tried to do the math on is like the other opportunity
that I had at the time. If I went with that and then considering the like starting wage was twice as high or whatever.
And then tracked how that might have progressed over time.
And the fact that it was that much higher. So compounding. At the beginning compounding.
Being able to get into housing earlier, whatever it was.
Like there's certain things that might have been really nice about that. There's also like, there have been interesting, I haven't taken them, but interesting opportunities
that have arisen, but.
Which I'm not finding out about now. Like we talk about things.
Yeah. Part of that has to be factored in that public persona is why people have found these things.
It's not necessarily the public persona that has been attractive. And we wouldn't, you know, this ain't college basketball.
You know, we're not asking people to work for exposure.
But we also can't completely ignore it. There is significant benefits to it.
In year 2025, having recognizability and a personal brand and a following is the difference
between getting in front of someone for an interview and being filtered out by an AI hiring agent.
For real though. So, yeah, I don't know.
It's hard to. It's, it's, it's, I have no idea where it would end up.
But I think I would have done okay. And like even, you know, and like, look, the thing is like, Luke and I have talked about this before.
We may not work together forever. And if we don't, then we've committed to still be friends and not let that destroy the relationship.
Right. We've, we've done a lot. We've seen the world together. We've, we've built something together.
You can't, you can't undo that, right?
And, and so, you know, one of the things we've talked about is that like, and right.
And so something to consider is that that effect may not be done yet.
That effect of the exposure of what you've built here and what you've done here and,
you know, the audience and the recognition and the connections and everything.
There could be another level of connection that could still be made.
And there could be an offer someday that he couldn't say no to.
And I would. It's unlikely I'm pretty all right with saying no to offers.
I know, I know. But like there could be and, you know, I, I have committed that that would not be the end.
Right. Like that's, I hope not. I really enjoy working with people that I enjoy working with,
which sounds like a recursive sentence, but, but it's so true.
It is legitimate though. It is life changing. You spend so many of your waking hours at work.
Well, this is why so many of the questions that come in that are like, you know, there was that one earlier in the show,
which was like, how do you be a good employee? Yeah, yeah.
And it's like, man, like, don't be such a drag to work with.
Like, honestly, getting to neutral is like 80, 90% of the battle.
Um, it's actually amazing. And if you can inject positive energy into a room when you walk into it, wow.
That's great, man. Yeah. Um, what was I going to say?
There's, um, oh shoot.
Oh, right. Yeah, I think the, the influence on the beginning thing,
like the channel already existed. It was at around, if I remember correctly, it was at around 80,000 when I joined.
Yeah. I don't know the exact number, but I was around there.
Um, I think it might have been like 79, but I just think 80.
By the time we split off, it was 200 and something, 250 or something.
No, far less than you'd think. Oh. The, the, those badges.
Yeah. I think they're a wait. Yes. No, you're right. You're right. No, I think it was 220 or so.
Okay. Sure. Yeah. I thought it was 200 something. Yeah. And I think a lot of that was
us together agreeing to try to do six or whatever it was back in the day.
And then those crazy nights, making sure that we filmed enough videos to stuff the channel.
I think we were doing daily already actually because my,
No, I joined. Oh, maybe there was a gap there. There was a significant gap.
Because I think I wasn't getting resources. There was a significant gap. Because I know that my bonus wouldn't be fulfilled unless I uploaded more than daily.
More than daily. For LTD. Yeah. It was 45, I could do up to 45 a month if I recall.
Correctly. So I would do videos unboxing a Toblerone bar that I got for Christmas.
Like it was, it was sort of pathetic. Yeah. I know there was, I know there was a period of mass uploads when I joined it was not.
Right. Okay. I don't remember, but I, I'm, I really don't remember.
Some of this is remembering memories. Which is 15 years ago now.
Yeah. So it's, we're getting into like dangerously long ago territory.
Yes. I mean, there's, there's, I couldn't remember to put a warranty on my backpacks.
So what do I know?
You did eventually. Yeah.
I don't know. It's been, it's been a time.
All right. I've got one more for you here. Hit me. First time live buyer from Spain.
I'm just doxing themselves today. Welcome. Kid decided to wake up at 6am.
I'm sorry to hear that. So I'm here.
Linus, so your kids still wake you up during the night?
Give me hope. No, they don't. But it takes the discipline of putting them to bed in their own room
and not letting them come crawl into your bed in the middle of the night. Unless they are very sick.
I can count on both hands the number of times that a non-infant child has slept in our bed.
It's just not a thing that my kids do. Our bed is our bed.
And where we do our bed stuff. And I can't do that with a kid in it.
You're not that kind of YouTuber.
Okay. Thanks for watching. See you again next week.
Same bad times. Same bad channel.
Most of them.