All right, we should be live.
What's up everybody? Coming live to you from the Taiwan show.
I should get my, I was going to say Twitch chat.
Okay, we are firing on all cylinders.
We are brain slow today? Yeah. Well, I am.
Me too, man. Get my float playing chat.
When are we going to upgrade it?
It's been float playing chat for all these years.
I want float fancy chat. Oh my God.
Nice. The ding works in case you're wondering.
Being able to have ding remotely is pretty sick.
Yeah. It's the only thing I've ever worked.
Is this the side that is sticking down a bit? Hold on, I'll fix it.
Dude, you have no idea how not awake yet I am.
I had to run to my room to get my headphones and I went on the stairs and I went the wrong
direction. I went to the floor above instead of the floor below.
I was like, oh, well, when I want to go between the rooms, I walk up, right?
So I'll just walk up again. I didn't even register until I put the key into someone else's room door and it didn't
work and I was like, oh, that's not my floor at all.
I definitely went down to grab something and came back up and forgot what room Andy was
in and I think tried three doors. Oh, okay.
But I tried to do it quietly to not wake people up. He tried more doors than me, but I tried one other door before I managed to get back
in here. The one thing that I think Linus is out of sync?
What? No. I have two in my kitchen, at least one in every bathroom.
Technically, you own the offices and stuff.
Yeah. You have an excessive amount of sync. Dude, so much sync?
I love.
I love. You're seeing the same thing I'm seeing. Adorable people in the Floatplane chat that are actually correcting my misunderstanding.
You guys are great.
Um, actually, they mean the audio sync on the video, not a sync that holds water.
I don't know if that argument holds water.
Oh, it's pretty good.
Really not. I'm going to check your syncs.
Do you have to talk, though?
Uh, sorry, what did you say you wanted to do?
I'm going to check your sync. I mean, it's... Oh, so...
So, clap. Yeah, it's fine.
Yeah. Yeah. He sure is clapping.
Oh, sorry about that, Dan. I started out checking sync, and then I finished by applauding you for having the audio blind.
Yay, the bare minimum.
My favorite.
Give me...
Give me one more. A Floatplane chat says if you're out of sync, refresh.
How are you supposed to freshen up if you don't have sync?
I guess you could do it in the tub.
One more. One more what?
Clap. Oh, sure.
Keep going.
Yeah, that's fine. Okay, cool.
How can some people say it's fine and some people say it's not fine?
Some people say reloading helps. Other people do not say reloading helps.
I think they...
That's a good comment. If you're lioness and you know it, clap your hands.
That's confusing. What do I just do?
I don't know. How does that work?
Where do we go from here?
I think I've got a... My company now. I don't know what's going on.
It broke the timeline. How dare you?
Look at me. I am the lioness now.
What's my latency on all of this?
500 samples.
I'll try 10 milliseconds.
See what that does.
Dan, do you need much longer?
Are people still saying it's out of sync?
I don't know. Yes, I am so tired.
I can clap again. One second.
Cool.
Try 20 milliseconds.
Try what now? I've tried 20 milliseconds.
We'll see what that looks like. 20 milliseconds.
20,000 seconds.
Should we do this thing? Sure.
No, I was trolling you. I was trolling you. I was clapping silently.
Okay, we good?
All right. Chat says it's okay.
You absolute dick monster.
Okay, should we do this thing?
I'm ready, Dan. I'm doing unrelated work.
I'm ready. Yeah, go for it.
Oh, I guess I'm doing it.
Yeah.
Right, that makes sense.
Fine. What do you mean Luke isn't Robin?
Luke is definitely Robin. Everyone knows that Robin is the small, less buff one.
Aw, crap.
All right, fine, I'm Robin.
Robin, him of his title as Batman, got him.
So funny.
Terrible. I don't even know what this show is going to be.
Probably bad.
I mean, as advertised then, same bad times, same bad channel.
No, we don't actually say it's a bad show. It's always a good show.
It's always a great show. It's a fair assumption if you're on a bad channel, it should be a bad show.
Yeah, that's fair. But we say it's going to be a great show.
Bad show, old boy.
All right, I'm doing it. You ready?
I'm good. All right.
I am resuming the selected.
That's not what this page is supposed to look like.
What is up, you delightful marshmallow chickens?
That's right. Y'all my peeps and we're here coming to you live.
We got a great show lined up for you guys this week in classic NVIDIA fashion.
They are currently at war with what seems like basically the entire tech media.
We'll be talking about what's going on and also about how none of this is new.
Cool. Go NVIDIA. Also, we'll be talking about some of the really cool stuff we saw here at Computex.
Okay, there wasn't that much of that. We'll be talking about some of the zany stuff that we saw while we were here at Computex in Taiwan.
What else we got this week, Mr. Luke?
The German courts are doing genuinely very cool things.
We both linked this. At least one cool thing.
But it's the coolest thing that I think I've seen in many years out of Germany.
That's fair. Steam OS. I'm not saying the Germans were right.
Steam OS moves one step closer to a wider release with new update.
Thank you. Intro button. I don't know.
I don't have one. Who does it? Good luck, Dan.
Cool. Can you do it? Nice.
Can you do it? Nice try.
The show is brought to you by... Oh God, I can't read the thing.
Thermaltake. And don't forget our RAP partner, Dbrand.
Our laptop partner, Dell.
And our chair partner, whoever takes this golden chair in our hotel room.
No, no. It's secret lab. It's secret lab.
Okay, we are off to a really good start today.
It's fantastic. What do you want to get into first?
No problems. Should we talk about NVIDIA's little kerfuffle with reviewers?
Sure. They're being nice before 5,000 series.
Actually, why don't we talk about other Computex GPU things?
Because there was actually a fair bit to like about...
Well, there was a fair bit to be pretty okay with about GPUs at Computex.
Do you think that stuff is interesting? Well, yeah.
Yeah. Are you going to buy one?
No. Cool. But I wasn't going to buy one anyways.
AMD revealed the 9060 XT. It's going to be launching June 5th, which is in just a couple of weeks.
The 8-gig version is $299, and we're not super stoked on that.
But the 16-gig version is at an MSRP anyway of $349 with, yes, okay, it's only a 128-bit
bus card, which used to mean it would be like $130, not $350.
But it's...
The performance looks pretty darn okay, and AMD is even like decent at ray tracing, and
they've got like all the upscaling technology and all of that.
So if you're into that, then you can turn all of that stuff on.
I mean, that's pretty neat. I know a lot of people are really upset that there's even an 8-gig version of the card
at all, but can I play Devil's Advocate for a moment here?
No. Okay, let's move on. Intel announced the Arc Pro B60.
Really? I mean, yeah, you can. You're just not going to let me?
If you want. No, I mean, look, if that's the dynamic you want to have, I'm okay.
You know, we could get some leather. You like that?
Yeah. Oh, boy. Well, it's going to be one of those kinds of jokes today.
Conveniently, there's a bed right here.
Poor Andy.
Yeah, Andy. I heard that if you do that kind of work, you basically can never find like, you know,
non-ornographic work ever again. Is that going to be a problem for you?
Is that a thing? I don't know.
Couldn't you just not put it on your resume or just like get around?
I mean, I...
Are you suspecting me to know? Like, we might never know. Like, am I supposed to?
Maybe he's done this kind of work under the table. I was one day only fun grader or only are on top of the table
Tables got all kinds of surfaces you can get on top of or under sure
Okay, so hold on hold on. Let me play devils at the kit for a moment for the 1960. Yeah
a gig Should we be?
Upset about AMD providing the option for someone to have a crappier GPU at a lower price
The thing that gets me is the lower price is still 300. I'm assuming American dollars. Yes
And the other thing that also gets me is that AMD just cannot decide what their story is on
8-game GPUs because you know what whenever they have a you know a VRAM advantage. They're all like
Pathetic Our competitor
Full of crap basically and then when they don't they're like, oh, it doesn't matter. Yeah, then they're like, well
Actually, it's fine for 1080p gaming I went with Sammy to a land cafe this week and like looking at
Literally all of the games that everyone was playing
It doesn't matter it wouldn't matter however, however
Counterpoint. I was supposed to be the devil's advocate, but I guess we're
Still doesn't make me happy if I'm spending 300 dollars on a car. I should get 16 gigs of ramp
We're like roll over. Come on. It also to play those games
To play those games that Luke is talking about, right? Yeah, I could also just be using
I don't know a 5000 series Radeon card or
You know like
Realistically I could be using like a Polaris card to play
Legends like I mean you might want high frame rate though
This is true. This is true. I there's a lot of them. We're playing see a lot of them are playing CS 1.6
Which was sick really? Yeah, one there was a mix of
To go to or whatever and then 1.6
Shut up so sick So like no source and they had a they had a LAN version of like 1.6
They could keep playing dude is LAN gaming coming. Okay, hold on a second because shoot this actually came we're gonna come back
There was there was tons of League of Legends. Yeah, there was tons of Counter-Strike in general
Okay, there was a little bit of valorant. We're gonna come back to GPUs at Computex more broadly and specifically
NVIDIA's whole kerfuffle with the media Because I actually want to completely pivot to another one of our topics and
It's gonna be quite the pivot Where is I guess the the Google DeepMind VO3 video model? Okay, and I promise you this is related to people playing LAN versions of CS 1.6
somehow, okay Google DeepMind VO3
It's crazy. Oh, oh shoot. Is Dan gonna screen? We have no screen share. No
Dan can you do example from prompt streamer getting a victory Royale with just his pickaxe? Yeah, this is
Absolutely mind-blowing Dan hit them with that and then I'm gonna look over there for when it's done playing because
I gotta tell you guys like I'm I follow the tech space
I'm reasonably attuned with the the AIs that the kids are fooling around with if you didn't tell me that this was
Completely generated like the dude in the corner
The environment the player model if you didn't tell me that this was AI generated I
Would not know It's it's it's it's gonna be really bad and
This is just like this is not even the scariest example
Dan can you queue up that pharmaceutical commercial? Oh, this one's brutal dude, dude. This is incredible
Okay, I'm gonna not talk over this one
Oh as soon as Dan's ready Thing worked every day felt heavy. I felt trapped playing up then I tried Pupperman our
Prescription helps your body secrete a special pheromone that attracts puppies
I took the pill before bed and when I woke up there. He was the love of my life
The pill does not target to go ahead again, but we found that it's back to us
There's there's people in chat being like wait, this is generated
So Zen is like yeah, that looks like AI this is gonna fool over 90% of people over 90
This is gonna fool over 99% probably there's a couple little things like I don't think we the dog's tongue
Yeah, when he's licking the guy it like a little oddly
Some stuff it does some weird stuff I don't think we saw it, but the I think there's two ladies sitting on a couch and the one her one part of her hair
Doesn't move with her head while the other part does there's little things. There's little things
like That was made with apparently
$500 worth of credits. Yep
That's wild which like that means in a year or two and buddy who made it so at
PJ a c c e t t you are oh over on Twitter
PJ a says I used to shoot half million dollar pharmaceutical commercials. I made this for
$500 in VO3 credits in less than a day
He also says okay, I hate this but he also says what's the argument for spending $500,000 now and like I
Hate that he's not wrong. He's not the only person asking that question. Yeah, and I promise you know
The whole ethics conversation around
Pharmaceutical companies I suspect they're not gonna mind especially when I don't know if you've seen it
But almost every American pharmaceutical company spends more on marketing than they do on R&D
So like if they can drop that marketing budget and not increase the R&D budget then surely they could lower prices
Ah Let's go
Okay, so we're gonna come back to the other stuff in our Google I o rand up because
That's the only part of it that I wanted to talk about that. Yes. I am tying back to people playing LAN games. I
Have a theory My theory and maybe it's just the kind of thing that I tell myself
When I crawl into my bed and pull my covers up and get into a fetal position every night and go oh my god
the world I Have a theory
We're doing a lot of that lately when nothing online is real
The players I'm playing against who are realistically in many cases
embodying I like this okay, or the
news stories that I'm seeing in my social media feed or
the When when or the oh the the the the questions and answers that I'm looking at on reddit
remember we talked about that that undisclosed study that that
That educational Institute did where they were just like having bots interact on r slash change my mind
You know when nothing is real we're all gonna go you know what?
Fuck it and get offline Oh
We're gonna just like we're gonna play video games in person
We're gonna we're gonna demand LAN play and if gaming companies won't
Put LAN functionality into their games then we'll be like alright. I'm a play CS 1.6
I don't remember where I read this, but I have read that apparently there's been an increase in
like More provably bespoke products being demanded by consumers
Yeah Because there's there's the whole like oh, it's an Etsy shop and they make it themselves for sure
Yeah, that's actually just from Alibaba. Yeah, that's another perfect example of like everything fake everything just being mass-produced
Slop, so there's there's been an increase in like I want to buy this product and I want a video of you making it
Like that type of stuff Like oh, yeah
Make a video of me making this product
But if it's custom it's gonna be a little bit harder to match the physical product that it will yeah
It will like actually a lot harder. It will dude. I um
Maybe oh, okay. Oh
But like there's no point being for or against AI progress because it just it's gonna happen
The the horse the horse bolted from the pen at this point ages ago
Anyone still having the conversation of like should we do this or not is just by yeah, so so unfortunately
So I'm realistically it doesn't matter what the next thing I say is if I say I'm for it or against it
It is irrelevant right, but maybe that's the one comforting thought that could make me go. Okay, okay
Maybe that's the the positive outcome that that might come from this
But but then the thing that made me hesitate to even say that is is like even with how bad
even with how bad AI replications have been and with how like
Identifiable, you know scams have been for many years
The video is not up yet. It should be coming very soon that collab we did with Kit Boga. Yeah, right?
If people are still being fooled by Nigerian Prince emails effectively
It's gonna be so long before my hopeful outcome could ever possibly happen before this information
About misinformation and disinformation
Propagates enough that we all just go. You know what basically?
I just I just don't believe anything forget it and you can you can help ARM some people
But it'll it'll never work for everybody. I mean, there's there's the problem of like
Some of those Nigerian Prince scams they they include things like weird typos and and things that could tip you off on purpose
Because they're trying to weed out people that are actually paying attention. I
Did not ever think about yeah, that's like a thing or barely, but I wonder if that bar gets higher
The the easier it is to be more and more convincing all the time. I think so. I feel like it was yeah
No, oh 100% no, I think more people are going to get scammed. I mean now that you could just generate
You know a photorealistic Linus that will show you his tech tip and ask you to respond like I I actually saw someone on the
Subreddit that was saying that a scammer used my name and was
Apparently giving away Mac books, which should have been your first
Why anyone want that I'm kidding. I'm kidding Andy relax. It's okay
He's on a Mac book now that I gave it. Oh, yeah
Yeah, I think most the editors Andy were mostly editors this trip on Mac books
Yeah, we found that that the adobe suite is actually more stable on Mac
Which matters more when we're on mobile hardware. We're so cooked
Not great. Yeah, not awesome. I look I'm uh, I'm
Contrary to the narratives that are constructed
I am not for or against anything other than whatever its utility is to me or someone else and
The price, you know and and also the the intangibles or actually I was gonna lie
I was gonna call repairability and intangible, but repairing things is actually quite tangible
So so the other you know the the other exit factors
And if a Mac book is the best tool for the job then gosh darn it, we're gonna use a Mac book for it
I don't care. Yeah, nice. I do agree
I do I was using my Mac book from the Mac book challenge so far past the 30 days
Because other than the desktop experience, which I was quite unhappy with
It's a great computer. I so I got I got this is a new work laptop
My last work laptop is like four or five years old. It couldn't do broadcast anymore. You don't need to you don't need to excuse that you
allocated yourself budget
For a brand new machine when you had a perfectly working machine
When it when it first
First showed up there was a huge pixel issue with the screen
So we used the old Lenovo warranty thing and the dude showed up and like swap the screen really I mean that was cool
There's multiple delays cough cough, but it wasn't debilitating
So it wasn't that big of a deal now and it hasn't happened yet this show which is great
But last show we experienced it the screen will just completely lock the computer still functions behind like I can still
Click on things even but the screen will completely lock and the only way to fix it is to sleep the computer wake it back up again
And I one of the guys from Hardware Canucks. I was trying to him. Yeah, he has the same laptop needs the same issue
Why and that my friends is why our laptop partner for the WAN Show is Dell
Have actually been like rock-solid they have you might even say heart-touching wait no no wrong bad
Okay, so wait how okay, I don't know how we got to where we are now from 8 gig cards. Mm-hmm
Counter-strike. Oh, right. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Let's talk about GPUs at Computex. Yeah Intel announced the Arc Pro
B60 and B50 workstation cards
They're using their XE to battle mage architecture with wow. Thank you whoever prepared these notes today
XE vector engines and XE matrix extensions engines
Okay, none of that is the important thing about Arc Pro
The important thing about Arc Pro is that we are talking about cards with certified drivers for just a few hundred dollars
B50 is not going to be lighting anyone's world on fire in terms of its groundbreaking performance
But what it does have is certified flipping drivers so that when you're building out, you know
Architectural firms office and everyone and their flipping dog needs a professional GPU
You can take your little, you know slim line
You know octuplex stations or whatever you can slap these babies in there
They are I believe they max out at 70 watts, which means that they can work without a PCIe power cable
They are dual width half height They come with both the half height and full height bracket so you can throw these things into basically any desktop
chassis and Boom, and I was actually I got to admit
When Intel put up the slides about compared to last gen. I was like
Y'all had an alchemist pro GPU. Yeah
Totally missed that Did anyone care? Wait, did they actually? Yeah. Oh, well, I had no idea. Yeah. No, I had I had no idea and
And so I was I was quite surprised because the slide that had all of the companies that they had certified
their drivers with was like
Impressive. I was like yo solid works auto desk
blender like Y'all y'all got like like really like the big names here
Oh, yeah, that's really good for a first-gen product that it hasn't even launched yet, but just
Just like on the gaming side like Intel software side for arc has been cooking
Like the amount of performance they squeezed out of what I think now that battlemages out
Intel would probably even admit was a
Fundamentally flawed architecture in alchemist like they had they had issues with the
I think it was with the internal caching or something that was the reason that
Like you absolutely needed resizable bar or it basically went to crap town in a hurry in terms of performance
I forget what the exact technical reason was but like there were hardware reasons that alchemist was not very good
Boy, did they ever squeeze a lot of it and that gives me so much
Confidence in their commit level because you can release a GPU
Relatively easily and I say this as a as a as a lay person who could not possibly hope to design and release a GPU
I say this as like compared to a CPU GPUs are
Relatively relatively simple
But it's the software the software will kill you that's that's the challenge that Intel knew that they were coming up against it
Parallel processor the rate at which you need to release stable
Drivers right because of all these new games coming out and stuff like damn. Here's a question for you. Yeah
Do you think? Arc can survive and thrive and continue forward
If tap retires Let's get to that in a second first. Let's talk about the b60. This is a more performant card
This one instead of being 70 watts. I believe it's a couple hundred watts
Don't don't quote me on that though. The watts are not in here. It doesn't matter
The point is this is meant to be more like a cheap and cheerful
24 gig AI capable card that you can have in a slightly higher end workstation
Slash they have this concept that they were showing off called battle matrix and they're doing some again down to the software
They're doing some software Tom foolery that's supposed to make it much easier to take a whole pool of these cards up to eight of them
Combine the memory split up your AI workloads so you can chunk it out and chew on the whole thing in parallel and
You know what is the performance going to be as good as an NVIDIA solution?
Be real no right, but the price a lot cheaper, but the price
Literally we are talking about if Intel gets their way and this comes to market at the pricing that they're targeting
We are talking about like a full-fat rack mount solution with a hundred ninety two gigs of usable VRAM
Plus you can you know stack it up with system memory that you can overflow into we're talking about starting it anywhere from five to
$10,000 and they're not giving pricing for b60 pro
But what they are saying is that that five to ten thousand dollars is for the whole chassis with anywhere from one to eight
GPUs, so it's like okay. I think I can do the math and and
On the record, but you know don't quote me on this
Right sure yeah, they're saying that they think they can do even better than the seven hundred dollars or so per GPU
That that would that five to ten thousand dollar mark works out, too
Like given time, I mean the hardware right the hardware is literally just an arc b580
Yeah, for the for the b60 pro for the pro b60 excuse me, so yeah
Nothing should prevent them from doing this for you know 500 bucks or whatever and if the goal is to get an install base out there, which is an assignment that Intel seems to
somewhat understand at this point then
That's exactly what you need to do You make this investment up front in the software ecosystem for developers and then you make the hardware
accessible If I can get like a whole last server platform for it realistically
Not that different to price from like a Mac studio
And like that that is a
You know a decently substantial group of people because there's a lot of like small the medium-sized businesses that want local
like LLMs Inline ID assistance stuff like that
That are building these solutions
And if you could just do it with arc cards like why not dude
speaking of arc cards and pricing I had a
Intense conversation
With a very very very old old acquaintance of mine Vivian who is running the discrete GPU
She's a VP and GM. So basically running discrete GPU for Intel arc
where I Have to confess Vivian if you're watching this, I know you don't watch my own show
That's totally fine. But if you're watching this, which you're not
I'm sorry. I was a little cranky I got a little bit set off by one of the slides that Intel had in their deck
the whole the whole thing was about arc pro and you know, I
So I Didn't make the video about this or anything like that
But their arc pro deck had one slide right at the beginning. Okay, that was like
Arc battle mage, so it was about the non-pro right arc battle mage
leading performance per dollar and you know, basically was kind of setting the stage for
Let's go non-gamers. We got we're gonna have great performance for per dollar just like we do with our gaming cards
and It was like best performance per dollar
asterisk
Best value for GPUs under $300 which is
One hell of an asterisk. Yeah, that's a asterisk too as of November 2024
because Yeah, okay, so so that was my face that's rough the November 2024
I suspect is probably just because that's when they ran the numbers and they're not gonna rerun those numbers for one slide in an arc pro presentation, so
I'll let that one fairly convenient time to have ran the numbers. I'll let that one pass
I'll let that one pass But the one also a bit a long time since the one that I was really upset about was that it said under 300
US dollars and When I basically was like, hey, so look, I don't want to be that guy
But it's literally my job to press GPU companies on the fact that
GPUs cannot be purchased at MSRP I don't like
You guys showing this slide when I can't buy an arc B580 for under 300 dollars
Yeah, and this card shouldn't be able to be on the slide that it's that's when the conversation got a little bit
Intense and that's at least
93% my fault because I was just
We got off on the wrong foot a little bit. I really didn't like that and
The and then the response was not great. I'm not gonna name who said this part
Because it was it was whole group setting. There was like a dozen Intel people in the room
So someone was like, yes, you can and I was like
Okay, show me and they pulled up like mine factory dot de or something and I'm like, right
That's where I got a little I got a little more frustrated your slide says us dollars
You don't get to convert euros to us dollars and tell me I can buy an arc B580
For under 300 us dollars that sir is actually bullshit. That's wack. You're not allowed to do that
Yeah, and so what I basically said to them is look
What I need is I don't need you to fix it right now
I don't need you to call up new egg who is in the middle of the night now and tell them to do to fix their pricing
But what I need is a coherent
Strategy that Intel will be employing to ensure that arc B580s will be available at MSRP in the US in US dollars and
Then I got More intense because basically and I'm not going to name sort of names
But people started to kind of pipe up and go well, you know
We can't control what our board partners do in terms of pricing and what retailers do in terms of pricing and I basically was like
I'm not you finish but I
Worked in the channel Do not tell me that you absolutely have levers you absolutely do
Whether or not you choose to pull them that is your choice
But you have levers you have levers in terms of Arizona iced tea you can do it
You have levers in terms of production you have levers in terms of
Allocation of parts you have levers in terms of the marketing funding that you provide to your partners both
manufacturing partners and Retail partners you have levers in terms of the fact that you have a founders edition
You have your limited edition cards that have an Intel label on them that you could literally control the pricing on that only
Exist so that you can put pressure on other board partners to fall in line in terms of pricing
Everybody knows that's why founders edition exists, right?
You I just listed and that's not even all of the levers
I listed many levers that you have to manage channel pricing. It's not legal in every market, but there is
Actually, okay, that typically goes the other way, but there's there's things like map pricing where you have a minimum advertised price
It that can be considered price-fixing depending on the market. I'm just saying
Illegal or not Many brands attempt to do it. So so there are levers there are levers to pull and
After things got a little intense for a little bit
I got a firm commitment that Intel would come to me with a strategy where they were gonna get pricing
To MSRP and I didn't I didn't even ask for like 249 99. I was like look I get it
This one has three fans on it. It's 269 99
Okay, yeah, okay. This is an OC sure, you know, whatever probably variants whatever that's fine. Yeah, that's fine
there's there's there's More than a decade of precedent for hey, this one is a little more. This is one's a little more
Fixy-fixy You know we we did some extra special stuff with the VRMs
No problem with that But if you're going to say and this is this is where the sticking point is if you're going to say this GPU cost this much and
You're gonna ask me to say this GPU cost this much. Don't make me a liar. Yeah, I don't like that
Now hold on a second call me Anna says isn't this a slippery slope?
Isn't this level of control the same thing you criticize NVIDIA for?
What I criticize NVIDIA for is
Multifaceted and I guess that actually trends transitions us perfectly into our next topic, which is RTX 5060 and
in general NVIDIA's current kerfuffle with the media
very very broadly
NVIDIA's level of control is unlike almost any other company in the industry I would say maybe
Not maybe Apple and NVIDIA are the two kind of birds of a feather that I point to when I look at the level of control
That they maintain over their product their their image and branding their partners
The media they they both exercise it in their own special unique ways
I mean I remember that video that Marquez and who's the but Mr. Who's the boss did like ages ago talking about the way that
Companies can control narrative control the narrative through access neither of them named Apple
Which I thought was curious at the time. I was kind of sitting there going
companies that that
Refuse to work with you if you you know
You can criticize the product, but you know if you talk about them the wrong way they refuse to work with you
We don't mention them in our video about companies that do that, but I get it
I Yeah, so Apple is a great example of
You've got to kind of play the game and they don't tell you what the rules are
So you just have to err on the side of you know not saying the wrong things to make sure that you you know stay on the list, right?
Yeah NVIDIA doesn't NVIDIA doesn't do things that way
NVIDIA for the most part actually
Takes criticism. We've criticized NVIDIA a lot over the years
They have generally been okay about taking criticism from the media and I suspect the reason for it is
It used to be that in general they saw the benefit of working with media and understood that they had to take their lumps
And then now I think it's because they just kind of don't care I think it's because it's just sort of irrelevant
So the reason has changed but in general they they've taken criticism from the media
Yeah, they seem to take criticism, but they
They can be pushy about the message that they want Oh, they can they don't care if you like the whole after them
They can be they can be pushy and they can be petty and they can be vindictive. Yes. Oh, yeah
big on that last big on that last one and and I've talked in the past about how I do think that it is a
Fundamental cultural issue at the company. I think it comes from the top down
But in general they have they have
mostly Mostly sort of, you know tried to work with the media, but they also have their own
Issues and it goes way back Was it the 1080 launch the one where you guys were stuck in a room with no internet while NVIDIA basically
Did the entire announcement that prior to that?
You know, they would have briefed the press and the press would have done it and they they've slowly taken over the role of of
Spreading the news about NVIDIA that the media used to have and made it NVIDIA's job
I don't remember the exact details, but if I remember correctly They didn't tell us stuff like the price and a few other like really key things that if you
Published an announcement video you would really expect to have and they kept those for the keynote
And then the keynote was like really long and we couldn't really leave during it
And then after the keynote we were stuck in this weird location where like nobody had internet
There was no appropriate places to film and there was a dead mouse concert
Super loud in a relatively small building so that you could still hear it when you're outside
So you couldn't actually record because you just get I mean
I'm not saying that dead most himself would necessarily do this just to be clear
But like I'm assuming he's under some form of label that might try to
Copy strike your video or whatever. So like it was a very complicated situation and it was very intentional
Yeah, so so so NVIDIA's NVIDIA's
Control I guess what I'm saying is it's weird
And it changes right that's the thing that I think a lot of people miss when we're when we talk about a company is
Moves that NVIDIA pulled ten years ago Are not we're not executed by the same people that are you know pulling moves today?
So, you know back to back to managing pricing. Yes
Yes, NVIDIA absolutely put undue pressure on their board partners to meet MSRP targets that
Were not sustainable for their businesses. Yeah, it's a different problem
We saw a large number of NVIDIA board partners disappear over the last ten and fifteen years
However, however, I don't have a reason to believe just yet that Intel is doing the other
Problematic part of that that NVIDIA was doing where they are not providing their board partners with adequate margin for survival
That was the issue was that NVIDIA was forcing this artificially low price
While slowly slowly slowly slowly slowly
Chipping away the margin that they were leaving for their board partners in that target price
I think this type of stuff including a lot of other things is why EVGA ended up Bailey
NVIDIA also put extremely restrictive
I was gonna say the word guidelines, but
They're less guidelines and more pirate law
They put extremely restrictive guidelines in place for their board partners in terms of the types of products
They could build in order to differentiate their own brand like
project or Sorry g-force partner program g-force partner program, which was called out many years ago by Kyle from hard ocp
He was the one who ended up I think he's probably been blackballed by NVIDIA more times than the current crop of youtubers combined. Yeah
Kyle from hard ocp did a really great job of investigating the g-force partner program, which was this extremely
restrictive System that NVIDIA put in place for their partners that controlled everything from what kinds of products
They could build to what they could clock them at to how they could package them and message them
So if you've noticed over the last ten years that g-force boards have gotten more and more
Samey and boring even down to the package extremely so
You ever notice the packages all look the same now even this one. Yeah, of course
It's got it has all the all the requirements
like That they used to be so fun, that's what NVIDIA does
Oh, we have the topic about that too actually. Oh, okay. I think he hasn't read the whole doc yet
No, that one's gonna be pretty fun. So so yes
Yes Putting pressure on your partners
Okay, to you know maintain pricing in the channel or whatever
Yes, that is something that I have criticized NVIDIA for but it's part of the broader
NVIDIA behavior that puts their partners in a position of
constant fear You know you talk to you talk to an NVIDIA partner off the record and you kind of go, okay
Well, like Yeah, why don't you just why don't you just take some of those GPUs that you've got and put them on like a cool
small form factor card We're like, oh
Because dad I'm like that. We're afraid. Yeah. Yeah, dad will never give me another GPU again
dad will take my allocation of GPUs which I do still make money on and I
Need to make money on because I spent all this development cost building these approved that approved products
It'll just take my allocation for that quarter and give it to my biggest competitor and
I don't know for a fact allegedly allegedly
I don't know for a fact that they would do that But I've I've I've heard this fear
Consistently enough from enough of dad's children. Oh, yeah, that I think I kind of I think I kind of believe it
Yeah
So that's that thing happened by the way Oh nice
So screen is completely locked and I have to sleep it and then wake it up again, and it'll work fine
So if you've ever wondered what what happened, do you remember those really cool little as rock mini desktops?
That used MXM. Yeah Laptop GPUs you ever wonder what happened to those you ever you ever you ever wonder why there was never you know
Updated mobile GPU things for a particular generation of laptops you ever wonder why framework has only radion as options
You ever wonder any of these things it's because
allegedly NVIDIA's partners are
Terrified I got Petrified would be the right word. Yes. They won't act. Yeah, they are they are petrified of
Running a fowl of NVIDIA by producing a product that NVIDIA hasn't signed off on and I got to tell you
Some of the off-the-record conversations I've had so I can't repeat these because they would be too identifiable
Right some of the off-the-record conversations that I've had about NVIDIA's logic for why these products can't exist
Dude, it is some moon logic like makes literally no technical sense like like
Like like fall of an empire people who have no idea what any of this is are making decisions
That have no basis in logic or reality
And it's very troubling However, however, I was chatting with Alex
and He has a theory that oh hold on. We should do a recap of the 5060. Okay, so 5060. It's eight gigs
128 bit bus. It's three hundred dollars. It loses to the 3060 TI and arc B580 in some tests
Multiple creators like hardware unboxed Jays two cents Paul's hardware digital foundry and more have criticized both the card
And this is where we get into sort of NVIDIA's
Not playing ball Fairly, I think I think I've talked about I've talked about this phrase a lot
I think in the last couple of years is good faith, you know, what does good faith mean engaging in good faith, right?
It means that, you know Being most for the most part, right fourth right honest
Working together on you know a solution that benefits everybody and and I think that's what the media asks for from
Companies right is can we work together in good faith understanding the value that we each bring to the table?
I understand NVIDIA the value that you are bringing to the table by providing me with the card
Early so that I can test it and evaluate it that has a positive effect on my business
That is that also has a positive reflect on the audience and positive effect on the yeah
So that has a positive effect on my business It also has a positive effect on the audience who gets to have all the reviews multiple perspectives
Which Luke and I have always stressed is extremely important
All of which had ample time to put together their analysis and and present it in a way that is
Professional and thorough without being pushed or or forced really to say anything in particular
Very key very key and that's part of NVIDIA's benefit. What NVIDIA gets in return is the credibility of
These quotes that hey this card is good or it's really well optimized for that that they can then use to
Market that card without having to pay for it
Actually, my understanding is a lot of publications do charge for them to have the the logo or the badge or the quote or whatever
We don't but in a lot of cases That's the that's the quid pro quo is we get access to the card so that we can do a great job
you get more thorough more complete information because
everybody isn't rushing against each other to be the first to publish and
NVIDIA gets credible third-party validation of their claims about the product that is everybody working together in good faith and
This launch has not been handled
Well reviewers were not given drivers in time for the initial embargo
We actually it's it's kind of funny to me that right now
This time exactly now is when everybody's like really mad about this
We made a video a one month ago now about the situation where NVIDIA wasn't providing drivers for the 8 gig variance of the 4060 series and
we basically Said exactly what they've done now, which is it looks like what they're trying to do is they're trying to create an environment where all the
Reviews of when you search for keyword 4060 are going to be of the TI 16 gig
Because they're just not even going to bother seeding these other cards and they're going to kind of try to try to bury it and make
Sure that it doesn't get covered that much So therefore the best performing videos on the topic of 4060 are going to be for this card that performs
Markably markedly better
Hey, it came to pass. We're not about it now
I don't know whose permission we were waiting for to be mad about but hey, we're all on the same page now
But there's another layer that is actually that is actually worse
and this is this is this is
This is not good Some creators were given access to the drivers ahead of time
But only if they agreed to certain stipulations like testing games at 1080p
Including older cards like the RTX 2060 and 3060 or even requiring
Multiframe Gen results to be included now. I want to make this very clear
In our review of a 4068 gig should we do one?
We would seek to include older cards 50 Susie
We would include. Oh, sorry. Thank you 50 60
We would seek to include older cards because I think that's really relevant especially you want to track what people would actually be upgrading large install base
Yeah, okay, we would include Multiframe Gen tests. We we have done
Wouldn't be doing is limiting our testing to that because that does not paint the entire picture
So NVIDIA did exactly what I predicted they would do
But they actually took it a step further
Then I thought that they were capable of and that last part
We should be extremely Upset about it's not the first time that NVIDIA has teased a card through select media
In fact, we have Participated in that before we did we were the first to game on the 3090
I think it was us and MKBHD went live with 3090 videos before the review embargo
But in that situation, it was clearly not a review
There were stipulations on what we could show but all of that was communicated
extremely transparently It was a it was a preview
whereas I Also tend to not mind like if a if a manufacturer is like hey, we really want to show off this particular use case
It's not necessarily a bad thing to include But you should still include the things that you want to include and you can mention in that part of your video like
X Manufacturer X company whatever thinks this use case is important and then give your opinion on why you agree or don't agree
I don't know. I think that's fine
so
Lane And like not too surprised it
It's kind of sad to me that NVIDIA seemed to get
Pretty cool leading up to the 5000 series launch. Yeah, and then they're just like yeah
We're not releasing, you know new cards for probably like two years anyway, so so I want to talk about that
I Had a chat with Alex
We just like bumped into each other in the lobby because we're staying in the same hotel, you know things that happen. Yeah, and
he had an interesting theory
that NVIDIA's behavior right now is
Not born out of malice But is born out of just utter incompetence
Hold on let me get there for a second. Give me a second to get there what I was very specific about the words born out of
So his theory is that after the 5090 the 50 see and and and his theory is like, you know
There's a lot of evidence to back this up is that the rollout of the 50 series has been a cluster
Oh, yeah, like there was the black screening issue. There was the issue with cards not having
The the right number of Cuda cores in them. They somehow managed to still ship that connector. They shipped some with more
They yeah, the the the the engineering oversight on the 5090 with the with the
Pin balancing the I mean what what else is there been? Oh, okay?
I mean, there's the fact that there's the fact that they're announcing 5060 laptops here at Computex
And you still can't buy a 5070 laptop
I never put that together, but that's rough. Well, dude
Like that I I don't I don't think that the g-force side at NVIDIA is either being resourced correctly or
Or There's that story. I don't know if we talked about on Wanshoe if I just heard this somewhere, but
Jensen was talking to their whatever I'm gonna assume the title here, but like head of AI at NVIDIA
And said to imagine every NVIDIA employee standing in the parking lot and
That they were all available and ready to work for AI
So basically you can loot any team in the company for whoever you want and that I'm sure that happened to g-force
To a certain degree. So so let's come back to my very specific wording
I don't think that this was born out of malice, but I think that
Once your back is against the wall. I think you start to I think you start to
find underhanded ways to dodge accountability I
Think that I think that in order to I think that I think this is an exercise in butt covering
I think trying to cover up how crap
5060 is I think this is and this is never so I guess what you're saying is it wasn't pre-meditated
Yes, things started to go bad and then they did
Bad things. Yes That's my that's my theory. Okay, that's my theory because I think you and I have both met a lot of technical people at NVIDIA
Who would never Dream of misleading about the product. Sure the technical guys there are so good. They I mean they literally
the NVIDIA literally built the industry standard tools for
or built industry standard tools for testing, you know frame times and
GPU power monitoring that tend to be like pretty well respected and fair they really like care about
You know making a great product. So let's not imagine for a second
That the technical folks there are not aware of issues. Yeah. Yeah, right and and and if you talk to them about it
They're they're like, yeah Yeah, this one's like really good at this and this is a challenge in this, you know scenario and so
If I had to guess I'd say this just basically comes down to the same kinds of issues that you know
We'd run into with with Intel during the the stagnation years where you just have you know these business monsters
these executives that are just looking to cover their hide and
Figure out how to get their quarterly bonus by covering up the the products that aren't you know
Aren't that good hoping like I don't know the media won't notice or whatever
and It just it just sucks because I feel bad for all those really incredible
Technical people who are really trying to build the best possible product. I mean this is that's fair
This is a similar story like all the time, right? You have the same thing with developers at gaming companies
Like the people working on the thing itself are not making the marketing and business decisions at the company
But they catch a lot of the flak and a lot of times They're the ones making the thing so it's their baby
So they feel the flak more heavily than some of the people making the decisions around how it's marketed how it's communicated stuff like that
Yeah, I saw a really cool quote from someone at take two that was basically just like
Yeah, I don't know rockstar. We just leave them alone. Yeah, the CEO was it. Yeah, I just came across it and I was like, yeah
That's cool. Yeah, it was sweet. I want to find it
Like dude, can you imagine? I mean, okay, look the technical folks don't always make sustainable business decisions
You know, you sometimes it's also a little privileged
Being like the company that owns rockstar to be like, yeah, we just leave them alone
There's like billions of dollars. So we're just like, oh, it's fine. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Yes. Yes. Yes
And if rockstar, you know, wasn't you know making what was it?
They're still making like a quarter billion dollars a quarter on GTA 5
Yeah, and I think over 200 million dollars a quarter on Red Dead Redemption
So apparently the it's a I can't show you guys but a games radar
article that says take twos CEO is probably the world's only person to refuse the chance to play GTA 6
Because I'm not a gamer and his role is to get out of their way
So basically like he didn't want to play it and then have comments and then you know
Maybe he says something someone hears something and then something's actioned because of it because he's just like
I'm business. Yeah, this is not me. I'm gonna do business. So you're saying yeah make games. It's like all right, dude
I don't know man. I get yeah, very privileged if you're gonna be the CEO of a gaming company and you're not a gamer
That's probably the way to approach it. I like that to be honest. I respect it. Yeah, I respect it
I respect it because when you have like
And like okay, I mean our very own CEO Mr. Teran Tong will occasionally like
Pitch into me with like content ideas, but he's always like
Or just don't I fully recognize that this is like not my world and you've been doing this for 20 years and I've been a fly on the wall
Watching you do it on the content side of things for you know two years
You know, yeah, whatever And to his credit occasionally the idea is a really good and the dynamic for us is a little different
So I can't really like feel that pressure, right? Right? He's my boss, but I'm also his boss
Yeah, I'm my own grandpa, you know like that
But I Appreciate and respect when people can be a leader of a company
But also recognize that they are not an expert in what all the people at that company do yeah
Probably a very small percentage of them realistically dude. Oh man. The bigger we get the more I noticed that yeah is like
I'll I'll be like hey, what are you working on and someone's like working on something. I'm like cool
even within my teams like what I'm often looking for is a
strong and well-reasoned argument not a
Thing that I necessarily premeditated because a lot of times it's like I have no idea
But based on what you're saying is it like pretty obvious that you've done your research and this like makes sense. Yeah, okay
Go for it. Yeah Like with the camera ops will be like hey, what do you think of this angle?
Because I know that if I say you know do this angle
I'm gonna get cooked. Yeah, cuz they know the angle is better than I know the angle
They're looking at the viewfinder But sometimes it is reasonable to ask cuz you know maybe they've been rushing or whatever and they just didn't really think about it
Yeah, maybe they were setting up all the gear while I've been kind of standing looking around or or maybe I have an idea for
How I want it to flow into the next shot or you know, whatever and it's got to be a collaborative process
But you gotta let experts cook. Yeah, there's just no other way around it
What the heck are we supposed to be talking about?
Do you think okay, you got it you got it
Real talk, okay. Yeah, okay one of one of my big things right is I I have people around me that
Help me help keep me accountable, you know and help me not just you know lash out emotionally sometimes
I do it anyway
Nice but Yeah, we've been taking some flak for making a video about a golden 5090 at a time when
Other people are Holding NVIDIA accountable
Yeah, as if we're not as if we didn't talk about this a month ago
As if we don't have a long history. I actually I actually compile the list of times
LTT held NVIDIA accountable goes back almost ten years and includes basically every major thing project green light
the GeForce partner program when they turned off overclocking on their laptops and big blah blah blah there's all kinds of things
Would it be an emotional and unnecessary response and I'm talking to you guys as well, so probably me up Floatplane check
Can you relax? Okay, would it be an unnecessary and emotional response for me to do a video basically going okay?
Here's what NVIDIA is doing right now The title I have in mind is
Why is LTT silent about NVIDIA's media manipulation despite not having been and then basically the video
lays out The the many many not silent times, you know back when hardware unboxed was being bullied by NVIDIA and NVIDIA was
Basically saying cover RTX more favorably or you will never see the card to you again
you know Do I have to lay this out because a lot of people don't seem to have a clue I?
Think you could but I think your tone matters a lot
What if my tone was as deeply sarcastic as I have ever been in my life
Yeah, I think that wouldn't be good. Okay. Let me pitch you. Let me pitch this. Let me pitch this
Oh, you wrote it already. Let me pitch this. Okay. This is this is this is one of the
This is just kind of how I think
Yeah, okay, so I have some notes No, I have a couple notes, but I do have kind of a I do have kind of a concept for it
But I think this is sometimes just how he thinks that I think is really fun
Okay, so of course The title would be like why I'd stayed silent about NVIDIA and we've got like you know
Oh, sorry, just Nardella and full-plane chats have made it a full-plane exclusive
Just so you know and just so some of the audience knows if he did that it would be
Blood in the water like you've never seen
Anyway, sorry keep going. Yeah, just in case there's any questions about that. Yeah
So, yeah, I'm thinking like with the duct tape across the mouth or something like that nice good. Yeah, okay
So get that clickbait in there. So so I made a wave of outrage over NVIDIA's
Manipulative and course of behavior toward their partners in the media many of you've been asking why have I been silent?
Yeah, to answer that question I guess I'll need to
Investigate NVIDIA's history of behavior toward their partners in the media and since I've been such an obedient little submissive for NVIDIA
I'll have to learn about it. Okay, so yeah cut that bit from the coverage of other media outlets. Oh, this one looks good
Yeah, yeah, all right cut that bit. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on
So I'm imagining we photoshop the channel icon and the channel I click on is actually LTT
Ah, okay, and then we do and did you ever watch the spooky fish episode of South Park way back in the day?
It's from like season two or something basically there's a parallel universe and
Here hold on let me see if I can Let me see if I can find this. Ah, yes, here we go the evil versions of all the boys look exactly the same
But just have a goatee a crappy. Yeah a crappy beard
So I'm imagining as I learn about all the things NVIDIA has done over the years
We actually motion-track like a crappy goatee onto
fake LTT onto the LTT videos that I'm like learning about it from and then we do a big reveal at the end
Where we like take off the goatee and we're like wow it was us all along. It was us all along
Yeah, I'm not gonna get away with this am I I think it's really funny though. I think you can do it
I think you got to drop some of the the
wounded puppy stuff
Are you? I
Just want the b-roll shot of me being an obedient little submissive
Yeah, okay, maybe but I think now he wants it. It's funny. You're gross
It's the the problem is you got to keep it You got to keep it in the funny realm instead of the like why is everyone mean to me realm? Oh
It's the why is everyone mean to me realm is just it's not gonna go
Okay, I didn't give you the next line. So when I click the channel, I'm like whoa that guy and I could be brothers
Let's see what he has to say about the most recent fiasco about limiting review samples and drivers for the RTX 5060 series
And then I kind of watch a short clip from it. I'm outraged
I
Anyway, so I was kind of thinking it'll be it'll be very tongue-in-cheek, or maybe we just won't do it, but I
Don't think it's a bad thing necessarily because I and we talked about this recently. We're like, I think sometimes
in moments like this it makes sense to just kind of have a
A open discussion with the audience and I think a problem that we've been having
I've been talking about this literally for years at this point a really big problem that this
Neesh has been having for a while and it's weird because for many many years
This was not a problem at all, but this has become a major problem over the last few years
is That if if any reviewer is not saying the exact same thing as every single other reviewer. Yeah, they are
Condemned and it's everything. It's not just us. I'm not just saying us
I have seen this with other creators as well. Yeah, that sucks
That is super bad as an audience you should not want that that is that is horrible for you and it's horrible for the
For the creator. So once the video transitions into the more serious side coffee. Could actually yes, that would be the plan
You know, I've got this kind of line when I'm when I say anything positive about NVIDIA
I'm able to shill when I say anything negative I'm able to hate her in this polarized world a person like me who calls out good and calls out bad ends up outcast by
Both camps is that really what we want? I don't think
They're making about you again. I think you should be talking about the end. I'm literally responding
To people being like, how can you say anything that is different from what other people are saying right now?
How can I talk about this card, which actually I don't even that's the really bizarre one is a lot of the like
Why are you covering and video positively?
Comments are on the video of this card where I kid you not the first line of it is mocking how the 5090 is overpriced
Literally the very first line. You don't even have to like
You don't even have to make it past the midway point in the video, which I know that most people don't
Yeah, you have to make it to the first line. Yeah to know that we're taking the piss
I'm interested because we we filmed a short. That's not out yet
at an internet cafe here in Taiwan and
The short opens with like
What the heck is a Because this was the original reason why we went to this place nine years ago
What is an NVIDIA certified land center and it ends with effectively they just spent a bunch of money
nice But I am rather certain that people are gonna be like, oh
How are you covering this right now and we're literally like yeah
They just put their badge on the store if you like buy enough GPUs and that's it
We like a dope. We don't praise NVIDIA's involvement at all
We're like this is a really cool land center and what is the NVIDIA part?
They bought a lot of GPUs. So then how do you get that message across without?
You know to your point being a wounded puppy or talking about yourself
because at the end of the day the problem is
About like, you know, here's what we're trying to do and here's why it matters and here's why you should probably care and why just
Being in camp for this company or camp against this company is really really really really bad
Because it is really really really bad. I wonder as well like a conversation that Lannis and I have been having is is just that like I
Think we're looking down the barrel of
PC hardware in general Being a niche that is it it's it's following like the the population trend in most countries
It's getting older There's not as many new entrants. I was having a conversation with some creators here, which is like yeah, there aren't as many
There aren't that many like younger
PC hardware creators showing up at these events
Interesting like I was sitting around at a dinner that was like an open invite to basically any
PC hardware creators here and most people had gray in their beards like
Right. Yeah, I was like hmm
This is interesting It doesn't necessarily bode well for like the future of this niche and one of the things that doesn't bode well for the future of
Any niche unless it's a niche that's based around social interaction and this is not one
This is a niche that is based around
Ideally objective product evaluation is
drama and chaos and It's it's a problem because when if you think about if it's a video game
Let's go completely outside of this niche if it's a video game and you're a little bit interested in the video game
a little outside and you go on to the Subreddit for that. Oh god, why did you do that on fire? Yeah, don't do that
No, are you more or less interested in that game now less if anything it's less
Like we're not
This isn't inviting here's my problem though, and this is this is what I keep running into is
Every time I tell myself hey I Want to be a voice of positivity, you know, I want to I want to be excited about things
Something like terrible happens
Like it is it is legitimately
not cool and very anti-consumer and
I I blame all of the big players literally
All of them AMD Intel NVIDIA your key guys
I blame all of them for the fact that naming schemes are a cluster
They are in my opinion and this so I'm making it very clear. This is allegedly
They are intentionally misleading. Oh, yeah, they
intentionally obfuscate product information every launch to make it easier to sell
Older generation hardware. Yeah, I
Understand why they do it because if you can just not just not necessarily just older generation hardware
But but lower-end cheaper something less expensive
and So how am I supposed to stay positive?
Yeah, like you don't I don't and that's the other thing you can't be positive all the time like my whole oh
If everything's on fire all the time, it's not very inviting community
Yeah, I I'm gonna stand behind that statement, but you also just can't
leave these companies doing horrible things alone
We're reviewers we need to point it out, but but so then back to okay
How do I not be how do I not address it when I make a video that isn't even like positive?
It's just about a thing. Yeah, and I'm not negative enough or I'm not on the right negative bandwagon
I'm sitting here going like Y'all exhausted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like I
and and you know what it's
It's a good comment, right? Like Linus. You should just not care about the feedback at all and just like do your thing
Just you know make whatever whatever video you want, but
It's it's it's not it's not that easy. It's not it's not that simple. I wish that I
Wish that I didn't have to care at all, you know what people what people think of the videos
You know if you if you're just like yeah, Linus just like be you and you know
We'll check out your your your contents like but I've always been someone who obsessively reads the comments and tries to
tries to cater to the audience that is
Literally you go to any YouTube conference. You go to any creator meetup. Hey, what's one of the keys to success?
Know your audience. Yeah interact with your audience understand
Understand your audience and if the audience, you know wants to be up on this like, you know scummy behavior or this like
Incredibly, you know boring product or you know, whatever
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place because if I make a video about a boring product
That's inherently a boring video and if I don't make a video about this boring product, then I'm silent and
It's like, yo
You know I I don't and so you have this like conflicting feedback none of which is right because I promise you that
You know people are not gonna tune into that. They don't it doesn't resonate with them
boredom doesn't sell yeah, and I
Wish I had I wish I had solutions. I wish I had solutions here, but yeah, like my whole comment on the like
Oh, the NVIDIA LAN Center certification is just buying some GPUs. That's at the very end of the short
Because it's really boring. We didn't know the answer before we showed up
When we figured out the answer we were like, oh, I mean I guess we'll answer the question considering the question
It's at the beginning of the short, but it is boring. So we'll put it at the very end
By the way, I've lost the comment now, but I'm gonna have to give this to you
This is my geek card. I don't get to carry it anymore
Because no, I did not realize that the Beards on the South Park episode were a Star Trek reference. Oh
I Do I have to like throw this away? I didn't either
What I didn't either. Oh really? I don't think either of us get it get it out of here
Yeah, well, that's my I mean, that's my room key actually, but you don't need to go back
Yeah, but my stuff's in there too bad. Okay. Um, I
Have and oh boy, this is gonna upset some people. Oh
I Have never watched the entire original series me neither. I have seen bits and pieces me too
You know, I've seen enough, you know bits and pieces that I like very much get the vibe
I've seen full episodes even but I have not watched the original series
I've seen like the one good movie with the whales or whatever, but I was a child. I was a literal child
I don't remember anything other than I think there were whales in it
Yeah, oh, oh, no heresy. Oh, no
We're just talking about how much it shouldn't be mad all the time. Then you just piss them off. Okay. I'll watch it
I'll watch it. I'll watch it. I've actually been I've been watching like old old media. I finally watched
Mad Max 2 So I have now seen Mad Max 2. Okay. I have finally watched Highlander. Okay. There was another
And I'm gonna pronounce this in a very specific way. There was another Linus that
For reasons that maybe will become clear in the future
Prompted me to watch those movies. So I have now watched them
I still have not watched the third Mad Max, which is the last
Part of my assignment and then hopefully once that happens
I will be able to talk about why someone named Linus
Felt that I needed to be aware of the cultural significance of these movies
I'm excited about that. There will be something. That's all I'll say so that could be
Maybe something that could I don't know who knows. I mean, you never know, right?
The world's world's crazy. World's crazy crazy bad sometimes crazy good sometimes. Let's have some fun
You know, yeah, hey by the way, you guys are probably wondering like what's up with this thing this tower
That's been what is up between us the whole time. So a
Lot of people I think didn't manage to pick up on this even though I literally held up an invoice for it
But I bought this. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this was not a review sample or a
I guess that was like a major part of that video or whatever. Yeah. Oh, dude
You've been talking about like how to get it home and everything. It's amazing
It's amazing what people can manage to not retain in the first like 30 seconds of the video
I try not to let it bother me, but as you can tell I ain't working
anyway, so I bought this because
and again, a lot of people probably don't don't know this but I skipped 40 series in
effectively Silent protests because no one really seemed to notice or care. What I skipped 40 series
What because of NVIDIA's crappy pricing?
But I don't think so you're an NVIDIA shell. Thank you. Thank you
So you probably just said that I'm ready for an upgrade and I was like
I'm sure you had 40 90s in every system. Hey if I can if I can get content out of it, then
Hey, if I can buy like the the golden
150 90 and then I can also get some content out of it, then yeah, you know what screw it
Let's do the bougiest build so I could get like a series of videos out of it
And you know that'll that'll help to absorb some of the ridiculous cost. Do you have any idea how much this thing costs?
Did you say like eight grand? So there's a range
There's a range online. I Found out during the handoff that our per our procurement team was supposed to have been given a discount code
That was supposed to make it closer to the lower end of the range
And they just we didn't get it nice. So I paid about
8,000 US dollars for this GPU sick. Have you seen it in person? No
It's not worth it
And adding insult to injury the video didn't get a lot of views. Yeah, so I didn't
But but but but the plan the plan is still to is still to you know, do other content with it
So hopefully that'll help
My plan has been disrupted a little bit, okay
Because James had a really good idea
For instead of me doing like a golden build or something like that which
Realistically I was gonna water cool anyway. So like what's the point of a heat sink with gold on it?
But I kind of thought that would be funny in like a completely twisted eat the rich way
Is if I buy a golden GPU literally take all the gold off of it and then put on a water block
And then I don't know maybe I'll have to gold plate the water block myself or something. Yeah
Anyway, I just I thought that'd be funny
That's edgy I'm gonna leave that out. We're good. No, I'd like to hear it. Let's say you could like hang it off the front of the case
I
Yeah, wear it sure Not the way I meant that but yeah for sure James had a better idea. Okay. What if we take it to the tech mall?
Like have that guy or someone
So I don't want to okay, you know what sure I'm gonna I'm gonna tease the premise I
Went back to the tech mall golden GPU in hand and I said, okay, I have this is empty. I
Have the Sultan of GPUs
Who can build me the best throne for it? Whoa? And
We got is it a competition the quotation
Slash Concept and design part is a competition. Okay fair and we ultimately chose one builder
Okay to build the ultimate throne. I haven't seen it yet. Oh
It's in there right now. It's in there right now. Dang
So nice. So theoretically
This is my new gaming PC In here. I haven't seen it yet. So we'll have that video coming
I Recently became aware at the time of picking up the system of a challenge that may change the concept somewhat
But I'm gonna save that for the video
I might not get to keep my golden GPU is all I is all I'll say about that so guys stay tuned
This is gonna be this is gonna be pretty fun. I I think that
If the concept art is anything like the finished system, this is gonna be one of the coolest systems
We have ever shown on the channel, and I hope I'm not hyping this too much. They must have had a ton of time
Ah The the builders
Messaged me in the middle of the night saying hey, we're still up. We're pulling an all-nighter working on this system
So they went hard. All right, they went they went pretty cray-cray. I'm pretty excited. It's gonna be it's it's gonna be pretty cool. Um, I
Hope that we're allowed to just like do cool things
No, yeah, I rested. Yeah put in jail. Yeah
Yeah, I think that's I think one of my biggest pushes is like we can and should
Stand up to bad practices from from companies and we have
And other creators should as well. Yep, but I don't think that should mean that we have to
Stop making this a fun niche to be in
Instead of a niche that just screams
All of the time. Yeah And I think that's important to remember because if we do become a niche that just screams all of the time
We are just begging for
Our death to be accelerated. That's it
And I like building gaming PCs. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's fun and cool like I think we all started doing this for fun
Yeah, and now we're just angry screaming redditors and that's like not cool
Yeah, yeah, and we should be angry and scream sometimes like I am trying to I gotta try to keep this measured
So I'm not trying to say we shouldn't do that. Yeah, like and each creator should find their own way to stand up against
Really negative crappy business practices from these companies
And I never go full reddit though. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's a difference agreed half those. Yeah. All right
What are we supposed to be doing? I?
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We can do well, let's do whatever there's so many of them
Why don't you get through a couple of announcements and then we'll just try and go through all of these topics because there's a couple
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So technically this is also for you So commuter bags and magnetic cable management now is a great time to pick those up if you are in the US
We've got this Yeah, we've got that all on LTT Store
Com if you guys want to use one of those items to send a merch message
Hey merch messages are the way to interact with the show. We don't do twitch bits or super chats
We like that if you throw your money at the screen you actually get something in return when you send a merch message
So all you got to do is go to LTT Store com add something to your cart And you'll see a box when we're live that will give you a space to type up a merch message
It'll go to producer Dan who I guess is gonna have to turn on his own camera
There it is nice Doesn't work as well when I can't turn him off while he's still waving. I know I know it's terrible. Yeah
You're gonna do it to yourself kind of breaks the vibe anyway
So it'll go to producer Dan and who will reply to it or send it to someone to help answer your question
Or we'll even curate it for me and Luke
So Dan do you want to hit us with a couple merch messages to show the folks how it works? I'm not entirely sure I have any tonight
none Really this is what happens when I don't mention the merch for the first hour of the show
All right, why don't we jump into another topic then shall we?
Yeah, I jump into another topic something might have failed on the back end. Should we talk about something really cool?
Yeah, let's talk about German courts getting it right. Yeah, this is awesome. Do you want to read a topic for a change? Sure?
I gotta find it first give me one sec Our merch messages broken. Is that what you've been tapety-tapping at?
No, I've been tapety-tapping in a lot of other things. I got it. We're back on now. All good. Oh
Everything okay? No
Ah District Court in Cologne has ordered Netflix to reimburse a customer 200 euros for failing to get the customer's consent for subscription price increases
Netflix increased its prices by over 50 percent
between December 2017 and May of 2022 the price increases themselves were not condemned by the court rather the lack of informed consent
That's the particular issue a ruling from the Berlin Regional Court in
2021 found a provision in Netflix's user agreement that granted the company the right to increase prices at will and without the subscribers
agreement was unfair and thus invalid a
Higher yeah, everything you sign is not technically binding if it's just BS, which is
Weird but probably good Because nobody reads that stuff anyways a higher court upheld this ruling two years later while Netflix has presented German users with a dialogue
Dialogue box I guess to agree to more recent price increases. It appears that this may not actually track
That they need to actually assume that the user agreed if they don't unsubscribe from the service
whoa This means that if you didn't use Netflix for a couple months or your kid clicked through the dialogue on your account
You never saw it. You'll be billed at the increased rate without consent. Yeah
Interesting and that's very common just to be clear not necessarily the kid thing. I don't know about that. It might be but the
The the people just having accounts that they don't use is like huge the kid thing is definitely a thing. I promise not surprised
The case clears away for other German users to follow complaints and the consumer rights magazine don't even try
Stiff tongue Warren test you tried. Yeah, what should that okay? Well the entire comment section is just that now
That's better than it other Luke. Are you not even German before last name like la fregniere?
I mean we have a new video box on screen. We might as well take some flak off. Yeah, that's yeah, you know
And I'm actually like just as German as I am French life is strange
The Anyways in a separate case the Hanover administrative court has confirmed a judgment stating that hold on. Hold on. Let's talk about this first one first
Okay This is sick Yeah, it's great. This is awesome. Yeah. Yeah, it why do you just get to unilaterally?
I do understand legally why you are allowed to unilaterally increase the price of a subscription service because technically
Every month is a new contract So you can just I don't know. Yeah, it's a new contract now. And so if you stay subscribed you agree to the new contract. No
That shouldn't be how things work and if you if you want if you want to negotiate a new contract in my opinion
You should have to cancel Everyone's contract and then sign them up again. You should have to go through the whole sign-up process again
I guarantee you if that was how companies will stop doing that immediately companies would immediately
Not do this ever again. They would not raise prices
They would set a price that is actually sustainable and then they would not
Touch it for the love of God not touch it and that doesn't mean that they can't increase pricing
They absolutely can but it would be on Future sign-ups. So if you get grandfathered in at a low rate if you get a low rate
You get a promotional rate or you get whatever then that's it like you got it
That was the deal that you signed up for if they changed the deal after then that literally
Isn't the deal you signed up for quite literally this is
So validating because I feel like I've talked about this so many times I
Freaking love it like there's um There's immense lock-in from payment processors, but it's not even because it's that hard to
On a technical level swap it and swap out payment processors
the problem is that all your legal payment agreements are in that other payment processor and
Like stripe it talks about how they can handle migrations and stuff, but it's really not that clean and
You start actually talking about it. It's a lot more complicated
And it's it's easier in some scenarios and blah blah blah, but
There's things that different payment processors will do to try to increase this level of lock-in
and Nobody really changes the payment processors pretty much ever if they have subscriptions
Because the chance that these people won't come back not just because they might have forgotten that they have the subscription because
You're re-asking them fresh if it's worth it fresh and and just re-asking them if it's worth it
You will lose a ton of people a ton. I
Love it by the way, we did get a detail wrong in that VPN story last week apparently sure when they said they didn't acquire the existing like
Customers they actually didn't acquire the monthly subscribers either. Oh, okay, so I'm a lot more okay with it
So they had a bunch of free people Who were obfuscated in the P&L by the paying customers and when they bought it?
They didn't get the paying customers and weren't told about the free people and
The free deals were available through like third-party websites and stuff
So we're like not obviously a parent get them at all. They should have had no users, right?
So so they had anything more than zero traffic. They should have known things had
I
Looks like it's them. Goodbye. No, they just they just quit. That's that's so cool. This is great. I love it
How does this happen
Well sure
I guess we're at technical difficulties now, let me see if I can get him back
Oh good old Taiwan
How are you guys doing? Oh
Hi, who dropped was it me or you you I think okay, are we
Are we gonna come back? Yeah, there you are because if it was if it was us that dropped
You would have kept streaming, right? I thought I kept streaming and just lost you guys
Okay, cool. Oh, no. All right. Have fun
Our We back our back. We're back. Okay, cool. That's pretty neat. Hey guys sup
Cool. So apparently the last thing they heard was zero users. So long story short
Yeah, basically by by cutting those people off who in their mind
They were doing a favor to by allowing them to continue to use this service
They hadn't even acquired users for for free. They were like being bros. I
Don't like how any of this went down the whole thing is like sucky
But that is more bad on the company that sold. Yes
versus the company that actually acquired the VPN and I
It adds some nuance to the situation that I felt we should definitely follow. Oh, yeah, that's fair. Yeah
All right, cool This is unrelated to the topic, but if we want to correct things from last week, I have something to correct as well
Oh, what now I had said this is important. Okay
Like I got I got a Come true with the audience here come true. Okay
Is that not a phrase? I'm gonna say
So, why don't you correct something close to that
Be real maybe that's it come clean come clean come clean
Yeah, I gotta come clean with the audience here. That's not how that works the cleanup is after
I lied last week did you yep?
Not intentionally, but I was wrong
Okay, I know I was making fun Dan. He just doesn't know thing. Yeah
I said that I had a character in file fancy six. Oh
And I only thought I did you thought you had a character because I've done some you don't have any characters
Are you high? The whole game is like that you have tons of characters. No, and I don't even remember their name because I renamed them Tara
There we go Tara Brannford. Yeah, sure you Imperial Magitech
When do they talk about last names? How do you know their last name? Why would I not?
I don't think I've ever seen their last name. Why do you think it's called in the whole game Garo Castle?
Okay, yeah, sure fair. So what do you think Edgar's last name is smart guy Brannford's castle?
I just when did they talk about her last name pathetic?
Okay, well, I renamed some characters while I was playing literally don't yeah, I have to like
Know the cannon. Okay, sure. It's like my favorite game of all time. So I just like no things like you okay
Yeah, sure. Um, so I had renamed some characters. So when he asked me if I had
Tara Tara, I thought I did but I had a different character. Okay. I did not have a character. Did you even have I?
Don't sets or something
How could you possibly I didn't know the names how could you possibly think the old
Bushido guy with a mustache. Oh is named Tara. That's not the old Bushido guy
You're wrong about your own game the gambler. Sorry
I only know that because that's one of the characters I didn't rename How could you possibly think the white haired gambler dude is named Tara?
Honestly, I never ever had them in my party
Ever and I forgot anything about them at all
And I had just gotten them iconic
Oppressing and everything and like that. What do you mean? You just got him. No, you've got him in the world of balance
Oh, no, no, I in the world of ruin. I had just gotten them
Oh, and I never had them in my party ever in world. I can't believe I just brain farted
Look before the show started, okay, I had to go back to my room to get my headphones. I literally
Went up instead of down and then literally didn't realize it and tried my keycard on someone else's room before I went
Oh my god I'm on completely the wrong floor just to give you some idea of where my brain is
Is it is that but yeah, I have Tara now, okay?
Yeah, okay, actually White I don't know
How can you play how can you look at characters for this long and not know what they look like do you even
Are you even playing the game? Are you just having an AI do it? I think it should count pink or something
If he doesn't know what the main when you have her go trance, it's definitely like white and pink
Okay, anyway, I know the blitzes, but I don't know the character's names or what they look like
There you go, okay, I can like do the blitz inputs by memorization
I love that I literally lent him a SNES controller to play this game
So he could have the authentic experience and an adapter
I went and he went and he took his hand he went I know the blitzes and he used the arrow keys. I played with the SNES controller at home a little bit
I didn't want to take it traveling. So I don't want to break it. It doesn't matter. No, that's cheap
Okay, you can also just not carry it. That's fine. You can just play with your keyboard like a pleb
Truthfully the first time I actually beat the game because I didn't beat it when I owned it as a kid
I was a kid and I was too dumb And then I lost my super Nintendo when I moved between my parents houses. I didn't have it anymore
And so the first time I actually beat the game was on Zed SNES on a computer
100% used to control a keyboard for that It's not that bad. Oh, it's actually way easier to input the blitzes on a keyboard. I could see that
For whatever reason like the most powerful ones are incredibly easy though. That's just like going to circle
That's a remaster thing. Oh, and they're they're much harder on the controller. Okay. Yeah, like I said, they're they're really easy
But one of them is literally just one way around the circle the other one's the other way around the circle
Yeah, but if you if you get pressing it Or no, it's not the other way around the circle. It's just the continuation of the circle
If you get pressing it wrong like if you accidentally start at an angle instead
It's it's a lot easier to screw up on like a d-pad that literally doesn't have diagonals, right?
Right because it's just across d-pad. So you have to like you have to nail it
And you will screw it up for I have I have been annihilated because I like kind of screwed up a blitz and put the remaster really
screws up a lot of the balance of The original game like the the sword techs or whatever Bushido abilities
They were called sword tech. That wasn't a brain fart on the original the Bushido abilities
You can just use anyone you want now. It's like you had to wait before so if you were playing in the active battle mode
You'd be like getting hit while you waited for him to like queue up quadra slice. Oh, yeah, so like I never really run him anyways
I he sucks the the weird thing for me right now is I have way
Harder of a time with like the random encounters that I do with bosses. I
Wipe bosses like no problem
Often like two three turns in done took very little damage if nothing
And then I'll just die to random encounters by getting like one shot out of nowhere
Like first move random encounter characters dead
What and this is like happened multiple times have you considered that you may be a bad gamer I have I
Have never lost to a boss in the game so far. Okay. I have party wiped multiple times
Just like random encounter trash, which is so annoying because it's less likely that I saved recently
All right, why don't we talk about the other cool thing in a separate case?
The Hanover administrative court has confirmed a judgment stating that cookie banners must not
Be designed to encourage users to consent and that website operators must offer a clearly visible
Reject all button on the first level of cookie consent banners if the banner includes an accept all button
That's huge for me. That's cool The judgment came after lower sac sneeze data protection officer demanded a redesign of a media company's cookie banner because it didn't obtain effective
informed and voluntary consent before setting cookies and processing personal information the company disagreed and
Claimed that the data protection authority was not responsible for monitoring illegal provisions concerning cookies
The court found that rejecting cookies on the banner in question was much more complicated than accepting them and that the banner used misleading
wording such as optimal user experience and accept and close while the term consent was completely missing
That's super cool, that's just awesome
Cuz like sometimes Man, there are so many bad cookies. Sometimes there are cookies that do enhance website experiences would be
No, go ahead almost never do I care though and I just reject everything, but it's still but it's still
This is so I love it. Yeah, that's great. I hate that. It's only gonna be in Germany. Yeah, yeah
But hopefully, you know these types of things. Hopefully they bleed out over time. Yeah, I hope so. I mean
Apple is certainly doing Absolutely everything in their power to slow roll any of the the antitrust and regulatory stuff that's hit them over the last little bit
man Fortnite is back on the App Store and
It's pretty crazy our discussion question for this topic is
Is Apple the most childish corporation on the planet or does that award go to someone else because?
Wow, have they ever Engaged in some like peak level malicious compliance over this whole third-party payment processors on the App Store thing
It's almost like the only reason they ever cared about any of it
Was so that they wouldn't have to compete and they could take their enormous cut acting as the sole
Monopolistic payment processor on this platform. I feel like there's got to be worse ones
This is the one that's like most in our order. It's just hilarious Yeah, after Apple lost the court case regarding in-app third-party purchases Epic submitted for tonight for approval to the App Store
Apple This is so funny. This is so Apple too. Oh
Man Apple refused to either accept or decline the application leaving it in limbo
Because if they declined it well, then you know, they'd get in trouble, but like
Well, do we have to hear if they accept it? I mean we're like we're looking at it. I don't know
US district judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers who by the way is an absolute Chad from everything that I've seen about her seems like it wrote in an
Order that Apple has to accept or decline the application and this is a quote
Apple is fully capable of resolving this issue without further briefing or a hearing based
Apple has since accepted the application and fortnight is now back on the App Store huge
for real though actually like
Super okay, I feel like I always have to disclaim this right because not a fan of everything Tim Sweeney does all right
But this Genuinely benefits every all this was massive developer. Yeah for iOS. I'll also give them a show
I don't like fortnight. I think I've played it one time ever and did not enjoy it and never played it again
I mean in fairness fortnight changes a lot, so you might like it more now
I think they're doing probably like see you type stuff where you can make all kinds of new game modes and stuff
We have to look cool. Look the point is either way the point is be open-minded. Okay. Try anything twice
Um It's it's currently number one in adventure games on the App Store and already has over 20,000 ratings and has been up for like
Days so clearly doing pretty well. Yes, Jim Ash says. Yes, Sweeney is doing this for the future of games
Which is like his company's future, you know, I think a lot of it is like
Personal vendetta. We're just benefiting from it, which is great It's a huge win for everyone. Yeah, and realistically. He's one of the few
company leaders who has the money and not just the money, but the absolute
Iron balls to do this. Yeah. Yeah, because Apple is a vindictive
Company if you step out of line very NVIDIA ask they will never
Engage with you again to NVIDIA's credit They actually do let bygones be bygones eventually they they we were we were black-balled for two years over the hard-run box thing
Yeah, we'll see and we are officially on black-balled now. Ah, we could be black-balled again
But I'm really wondering how much of it was just like clear the field before 5,000 series comes out
And then who cares after no, I think it was more a specific person who was a skirt. Yeah. Yeah
That's that's we'll see how things go in the next like six months
I'm reserving judgment until Yeah
There's been some bad that I don't even think is
Not super public yet. It's not mine to release. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Oh, yeah
Like real bad more
Okay, why don't I talk about something good while he types that up steam OS moves one step closer to a wider release with a new update
Valve has released steam OS 3.7 point 8 which comes with official support for third-party PC handhelds
This is so cool. So you could just go install it on your ally or your IA NEO or whatever
Along with a bevy of other upgrades This is the first version of the software to offer an official recovery image with explicit support for installation on devices with
AMD hardware, okay, so not just anything just yet and an NVMe drive although valve does
Specify that is targeted towards handheld devices and is not final
So you can basically install it on like whatever as long as you've got AMD hardware and an NVMe drive
There's also explicit installation instructions for the Legion Go and ROG ally
Is it the year of the Linux desktop actually though this time?
This is so cool other upgrades include new Mesa graphics drivers base
Bluetooth mic support and desktop mode still no gaming mode
Battery management tools and the ability to turn a steam deck turn on a steam deck via a Bluetooth controller
Which was previously only possible on the OLED So this is super cool if you have just like a steam machine in your living room
Remember when they used to call them steam machines? So if you just have one as like a like a living room console, you can just use your Bluetooth controller to be like
Boop turn my steam. Ah, I'm so excited. I'm so excited and I'm excited for competition
Look at the way Microsoft has allegedly Woken up and is like, you know
Allegedly partnering with ASUS on the Ally 2 and you know trying to make Windows a better like gaming platform like
What's going conversation? It's always good. Yeah. Hell. Yeah, literally competition is always better than not competition
I think if there's a time that competition was worse I guess if you have like a super fragmented market and then like
Okay, I think there's a there's probably a middle ground between businesses. There's a middle ground. No, no
I'm even thinking businesses. Okay, so so imagine a world. Okay, you don't want there to be one bank or
One insurance company because that's terrible because then there's no competition, but you also don't want there to be
10,000 banks and 10,000 insurance companies because those will be very small companies and those types of
institutions need Scale in order to absorb the sometimes one time large one-time losses that they can experience
There's a middle ground. I think there's some debate there on the bank side of things
No, dude when you have like a thousand tiny banks, it's much easier for there to be a bank run
Because it can be in like a very localized when you have Omega banks. Well, that's what that's no this is bad
They cause recessions due to bad practice. Yeah
I'm saying I'm saying that more is not always better
Sure, but you're not saying that infinite competition of infinite parties is good
You're saying that competition is always good. Is that what I said? I don't remember my exact wording
You said competition is always good. I said it's always better. Yeah
But that doesn't have to mean that there are thousands and thousands of players competing sure
I'm just saying there's a middle ground of like
Like like peak competition goodness That's all I'm saying. I think we do this as a company. I know I do this. So I'm not trying to exclude myself
I think sometimes we're like We get and this is why I say I don't know all the time. So I'm 100 on board with this
We're so worried about people just taking crap that we say and twisting it that we run around
It's so many circles that we end up losing the plot part way through
Oh
Man, we're just saying black and red is a cool color combination. That's all
That's all we we like it for gaming PCs who made their uniforms aren't they like still around hugo boss
Yeah, and super famous. I don't want to get that wrong. I don't want to get very fashionable
Uh Nazi uniforms. I think it was hugo boss
um Yes, hugo boss apologized for nazi past. Uh, yeah, okay. Okay. Yep. There you go. Yeah, so hugo hugo boss, by the way
Really, yeah, I saw it
Like there's no belief here. I saw it. He showed me
All right, he's gonna deal with it in his own way or whatever So how can they be actually that stupid? I think is the question. But this is my like
I don't know man. We'll see we'll see over the next while when I was digging up all the times that we've
criticized NVIDIA in the past I came across some stuff that I had forgotten about
um, and one of them was the an LMG clip where I
um, I basically came out and I was like
I no longer believe they are playing 4d chess
I believe they're idiots um
Past line is smart guy
I beard I saw that and uh, yeah
I saw that and genuinely like kind of laughed because it was just
So dumb Yeah, yeah, and it yeah
Yeah
And like the timing of it, it's terrible. Holy dude. Um, hey more good news though
Yeah, remember that nas company that I invested in. Yeah, remember. Yeah, remember how people were like
Hating on the launch and the comments were all like this is pointless
No one would ever buy this if you're excited about this you should feel bad Remember how they had a really really great launch and lots of people gave them a bunch of money
Want to hear one of the cool things that they are already doing with that money. Yeah
zfs any raid Sponsored by ash tech. So that's the the nas company that I made the small investment in
um This is so cool earlier this week, dude. I've
I have wanted to talk about this so hard because I have known for a while
Because they basically immediately when they're when their first couple days of sales
Were bonkers. They were like Oh my god, let's do something there's opportunity now
There's stuff that we had on the roadmap for like Like the future that we could just
Immediately start fixing because there's these projects that are just like
Super cool, but just not funded so people can't work on them and we could just we could just do this cool stuff, dude
Oh, I've wanted to talk about this basically since they're freak they freaking went out from cover
whatever whatever blue cover whatever it's called when like Um, the when the when like a startup stops being stealth unstealth mode, whatever there's a term for it
Doesn't matter. Yeah, the point is Earlier this week esh tech the creators of xos investment disclosure introduced to the world
zfs any raid developed by clara ink sponsored by esh tech
zfs any raid will introduce two new pool layouts any raid mirror and any raid z1
Any raid mirror will be available first and will ensure that all data will be written to two different discs in pools
Of more than two discs of differing sizes. So
Um, this is a little bit out of order, but the point is you can raid discs in zfs. So so
Raid z not like hardware raid like software at raid z like zfs
So you can you can create pools with differing discs
And you were always able to do that, but there would be a huge loss in total capacity
Uh, you would basically go lowest common denominator
So if I had a 10 terabyte drive and a two terabyte drive and I raid
Z one to them or whatever whatever I think technically raid z1 is not a mirror even though it like kind of operates like a mirror if you just have two drives
Don't worry about it. The point is if I used them, I would get a total of four terabytes of usable capacity out of my 12 terabytes
That's not a great experience. No, so
um Any raid z1 will take the same concept and and features as zfs raid z1
So where you can lose any one drive and it will add support for mixed drive sizes
Uh, this is so cool. So how much space can we gain? Here's some examples
Okay, we have a pool with a four terabyte drive a six terabyte drive and an eight terabyte drive
Okay, so we are this is some this is some mix and match here. All right
Okay, check this out. Oh, wait, I can't screen share Dan Dan. Can you show them the table?
on it So in a in mirror, so this is a traditional mirror
I can't see that any In a traditional mirror, uh, we would get 10 terabytes only out of our total
What is this 12 plus 8 20 out of our 24 terabytes?
That is that is an awful amount of storage to give up two parity
Okay, in new any raid mirror
We get 12 terabytes. Okay, that's not a lot more
But if you can see on our table that Dan maybe has on the thing
I can't tell you can see on our table that if we add a four terabyte drive
We actually get half of the capacity whereas with the old mirror. There would be no change
Okay, so A little bit exciting. Here's where things get really cool
In raid z1 versus any raid z1 our pool capacity goes from literally half
Okay, 12 terabytes to 16 terabytes out of our initial 24
And then if we add four terabytes we get two and a half terabytes instead of
Okay, actually that works out a little bit better on the other one. The point is more
The point is more when is it coming? Ashtex says they won't even say soon
But they will keep the community updated as the project progresses and hits key milestones. I am I am pretty
I am pretty excited
Getting more of your user space out of mishmash of drives is a very
consumer friendly feature that has pretty much no benefit whatsoever to enterprise customers
Who are just always using matching drives, which is why this has never been worked on and just like how a lot of people were like
Oh, like as a homelab enthusiast. This isn't necessarily something that I would want. Sure. Um, cool
This caters to not necessarily homelab enthusiast as well where it's like this is just what I've got
And I want to make something out of it. Yeah, so this is in my opinion. This is a very like
Informed thing for them to back early
Super I think it makes a lot of sense super cool. It's for people who are just you know building their first jellyfin server. Yeah, who are
Who are who are got some old desktops that yeah have been in the garage for a few years that has drives in it
Let me throw these in here and do what I can Super excited for this sick
And I'm super excited to see them Taking that initial money that they got from their from their like
alpha You know, hey, trust us. We're gonna do cool stuff with this
Uh, like launch and then actually doing cool stuff with it just because I'm starting to see this already
No, we are not saying that nothing else can do this No
but zfs This was not a feature of
Zfs and so that's what's really exciting is you get all the zfs goodness, but also makes a match
it's just awesome
Yes, I know drobo existed ages ago. That's not the point. The point is and there's yeah other ones
zfs one thing we have until your cutoff
That you defined 18 minutes
We have until your face I'm good. Whenever I'm already checked out of the hotel. Um
nerd Yeah
And I was on we can go a little longer. We'll go a little longer. All right. I will
We'll do our best. We'll do our best. We always do our best. Hey, do you want to do want to go through the
The the computex roundup from someone on computex?
Apparently it's supposed to be wacky stuff So Dan, do you want to just like pop them up on screen and sync with us? We'll go through an order
Uh, yeah, depends how fast you are the doctor
All right, so I'm gonna click the first one
It's a pulsar x knock to our mouse Okay, a hundred percent. I saw this and just thought someone was trolling with like AI models. I didn't think this was real. Oh, yeah
What I saw it in person. It's real
Are they actually gonna like sell these? Or was it a part of real? Do you not understand sir that thermo take?
Oil case thing. Yeah, they've had a different
Dramatically different iteration of it every year. I don't know if that's ever gonna be for sale. It's I love going and seeing
What they're currently doing. I don't know if they're ever gonna sell it
We'll see It weighs about 20 grams more than the the regular
um I forget what model of most this is uh fine fine men or something like that. Hold on
Uh, yeah the fine men most um the the weight distribution
Felt a little different to me as well. It's kind of a fan in it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so it's probably yeah
I feel a little bit. I definitely had some ideas for a v2 right now
The fan is just on and I was like, oh, it'd be kind of cool if it had like a moisture sensor
So that it only turns on if your hands are actually sweaty
um Because sometimes I'm a pretty warm boy, but other times, you know in the middle of the night in particular
I get to be a pretty cold boy. Yeah, pwm it basically, you know, there's like, um
The the single button that just cycles through memo sensitivities
Uh, it it may be controllable. I'm not sure actually look
It is controllable. Okay, so it's controllable, but it's always on. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, anyway, it's it's pretty cool
It's pretty light. It's like 60 something grams. It's not bad considering. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah pretty cool. Okay next up
3000 watt psus
More than one brand was showing off power supplies that were 3000 watts or more
Basically ai. All right, let's move on. Um
Inwin unveiled whatever this is. Yeah, they say this case is trophy inspired
It is over a meter tall and will support full-size 50 series GPU's. I should certainly hope so
Imagine it didn't Yep inwind back with another signature case. They do that. They do that and um
Apparently it weighs like 40 kilos or something like that. Nice. I don't I don't remember the number don't quote me on that but
Apparently it weighs a lot. I was talking to someone from my team who saw this in person
I didn't actually catch this Uh ShortCircuit the thermal rate frozen creator
Okay, okay, this actually looks extremely legit
Dude AMD Strix halo is I swear the coolest CPU
in the last I don't know 10 years. I can't I can't think of anything cooler in that time frame. Yeah, uh, I get apples
I'm silicon. It's really cool. But like on the pc space on the pc side, dude
I interpreted that way. It is so cool. Like that is a gaming pc in alex's hand
That is capable of like playing black myth mukong. Yeah
And the fact that thermal rate is getting into PCs. I mean, obviously they know the cooling for PCs. So like why not?
But this looks awesome Uh, oh, I don't know. I guess investment disclosure since framework also makes a strict halo thing
Oh, okay, but like that's sure. Okay. I don't know the right way to handle this because that seems dumb
Like why am I bringing up framework if all I'm saying is that something else looks awesome? No, it's good
But yeah, it's good for framework. But is that actually good for the audience? I'm not 100 sure probably not
But it's good for framework and it's the law
Got them
I love it. You legally have to advertise for framework. I think that's hilarious. I genuinely think that's very funny
I Like I
That is thoroughly entertaining to me. Um
In other news Hey
Do you need a monitor on your CPU cooler?
um Because there's a lot of them
Wait, is this real? The first one the first one's not real. I don't think so. It looks like a tablet. Uh for
Is this real This this the zygmatec one real
Do you know Dan? No idea
It slots into the zygmatec pump by sliding into what looks like an alien's shoulder socket
Okay, apparently it's real Uh, I did not catch this that it. Wow that boy. That is something. Um, that makes
Cooler masters and thermal takes look downright reasonable
um Lee and lee also has a curved display on their aio check this out
I don't
Hey sequel to the all-screen pc let's go
I guess I just I think the yeah, I don't know. I don't want to be I don't want to be too negative after spending a significant part of the show
Talking about how we need to be more positive, but stuff like that makes me feel like we're running out of ideas
I mean Maybe it's just not for me. Didn't all of computer x kind of feel like we're running out of ideas this year sure did
it was a this was
Noctis booth was super cool. Um, they're evaporative thermo siphon cooler
If it performs anywhere near like what they think they can achieve it will be a remarkable piece of kit
Um at a astronomical price probably
um So like there's some innovation there
um
Seasonic I liked
But like basically they're just like fixing someone else's problem, you know, so
It's hard to get excited about that Uh, oh this card no one can afford won't blow up anymore if I add this thing
That isn't out yet. Yeah, um cool
Aseus has an ergonomic keyboard
With a split in the middle Okay, that is not an ergonomic keyboard. That is just a keyboard that separates in the middle
But I think people do still categorize that as ergonomic really because of your shoulder rotation
Okay. Yeah, all right. So it's not ergonomic in all ways, but it's ergonomic for your shoulder rotation
Uh keyboards like this have existed for a long time. There was many of them at the show
I'll allow it Um, the silver stone retro case is legitimately cool. Okay. This was actually cool, but it's not a new idea. That's for sure
Specifically an old one. It looks sick though
Uh I genuinely really like it
Yeah, and unlike the first gen one it gave more thought to like cooling and putting modern hardware in it and stuff
Yeah, like you can you can really put a top-of-the-line gaming machine in this and build a sleeper without doing any of the actual like
Fabrication work of building a sleeper. This looks amazing. I wonder if this would be a theft deterrent
Like if you did up if you'd like did up your setup
like retro style and put like like if you like 3d printed like a bigger bezel on your monitor and like
Used uh used like like beige keycaps on like a sick mechanical keyboard and like like if you did it up
Would anybody steal it that? Okay, hold on a second. Hold on a second. Could there be a way for us to like
Social experiment this can you like? You know how like bait cars they can kind of like bait people into trying to steal them bait a whole computer
Bait a house Because someone would have to like go into it and then we have to like see if they take the computer
Work with mark rober
Like is that a thing there's got to be a youtube channel that like does this
Well mark rober did the porch pirate thing for years. Well, yeah
That's porch pirating though. I mean not every porch pirate is just gonna like weigh significantly more common
Yeah I have no idea. I think baiting someone to break into a house is probably
Pretty hard to predict gilmore d in Floatplane chat says whoever did that bait would be a master
All right on that note um
PC world scented thermal paste our question from the writer is would elijah eat this? Yeah
Uh
I feel like if you if you paid him like 20 bucks, I think you'd send it scented thermal paste
Wow We're definitely not out of ideas. We've we've started sending thermal paste. Yeah, I'm gonna
I'm gonna close that topic Um, cool. We've got an announcement. It's not it's not like
Innovation is impossible. This isn't new But like we saw a fractal go with those the the like wooden and that dramatically changed the case industry
Yeah, yeah that new anti like it's there. There is still the new anti case is interesting
Like there's there is stuff that people can do I meant it as wood like the fractal one. Hmm. Oh, I thought you meant the
Did they do a collab? Yeah, they did it has wood on it. Oh it does. Yeah, because like, you know trends. Yeah
This week on Floatplane We've got a ton of behind the scenes from our time at computex
And some more firetruck slash april fools behind the scenes as well with a new why is when late episode
We're supposed to watch the clip. So I guess I'll click on it now Dan
I can't really show a Floatplane clip because I have to log in and things like that
You can't show a Floatplane clip. You'd have to log in. Well, I think the question Dan
That is on all of our minds is why are you not logged into Floatplane? Yeah, don't you care?
Yeah, let me just download it And then add it to the streaming software so that I can show it for four seconds
Nice I I can't tell if his voice was coming through to them. But if it wasn't
Uh, it was loaded with passive aggression. Oh, no, wait
Floatplane's actually really fast. So that took like no time at all
Nice. Good job luke. All right. Here you go. Uh, what is it this button?
I do what I'm doing shut up
You guys zero
I love that it works. Yeah, that's so cool. That's pretty cool
We will also have secret shopper part four the finale
Which will be available next week up early on Floatplane. So go check it out
And then we have a final rog rig reboot reminder There are only a couple of days left to get your submissions in for rog rig reboot
We're picking three winners two from north america one international to be flown to our studio to build a pc with me on camera
You just got to submit a video showing us why you need a rig reboot
Whether your system's unable to keep up with your workflow or you can't run demanding games or it's just absolutely cooked
We need all the deets. Uh, this is a competition that rewards creativity and originality
So make sure your video is unique and not like a past submission. Yes, we will know
30 to 59 seconds show us your current setup tell us why we should pick you and again be creative submissions are open until 4 45
p.m Pacific time sunday may the 25th and Dan is going to post the submission link in all of the various chats
um Merch messages. Oh good lord. We haven't talked. Oh, we did talk about vo3. Okay. Good. Oh, yeah
We should do a couple of merch messages Dan want to hit us with that
Yeah, i'm sure thing. I've got a couple here DLL i'm a late joiner into the LTT cult about four to five years ago
So this may have been asked before but what are your favorite colors? Is Linus is pink or orange?
I Don't know if anybody has ever asked that before I have never had what are your colors merge message before a favorite colors?
uh I don't know. Maybe like uh like a cool
Like a cool bluey green It depends. There's certain things that I like some colors and there's certain things that I like other colors
I'm painting my bike pink Well
I'm trying to paint my bike pink attempting
Yeah, historically. I was always red red and black
These days I've been an enjoyer of browns and greens more really. Yeah brown is uh,
Unusual favorite color Like uh, it's certainly like a decor trend. Yeah everything tan and brown
But I don't know if any I don't know if even those people say yes My favorite color is tan and brown like I bought some uh some shorts recently that are brown
Right, I think they look nice. Yeah, but brown like again people buy brown shorts because they look inoffensive
I don't know if they buy brown shorts because I think minecraft block is a cool aesthetic
Yeah, yeah, okay
Slimming you know it's slimming
You gotta wear the brown pants and a green shirt
He's embrace it. Sure, Dan
Hey, taiwan show. What's the best non AI tech you spotted at Computex this year?
Uh ps Linus. Have you learned nothing from the last time you played with gold?
Also, I'm charged shipping on gift cards now
Hey, the last the last time I played with gold the controller appreciated a lot
That ended up being a tremendous investment pun intended
Get it. Yeah Nice I don't think I saw
Anything on the show floor that said it was AI enabled that I was excited about
At all one funny thing that I ran into though. Did you see the AI golf booth?
No There was a big AI golf booth. I haven't talked to any I've talked to a bunch of people that saw it
I haven't talked to a single person that saw it work Um, I saw them working on it for a pretty considerable amount of time
We were standing there with sammy trying to wait to see if they're going to get it working And then they they claimed they got it working
And they had someone go up to like test it and they they they took a really long time trying to get the golf ball
On the tee they finally got it. They whiffed hard
Took a really long time to set it up like they missed the screen They hit the the ball, but they missed the whole screen which is like
Almost everywhere the ball could have gone They took a really long time setting it up on the tee again
Hit it again whiffed the screen again
And then the system stopped working again
And we just left
That kind of encapsulated a lot of the AI enabled this that at least I saw at the show
But I was only on the show floor for one day. So maybe maybe you saw something I doubt it, but maybe
Um Boy my my favorite thing is probably um, I'm gonna go with the boiling cooler
I I like I like cool. I like cool cooling stuff. It was AI enabled. No, what that wasn't AI enabled was what they asked
Oh Yeah So I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with the boiling cooler. That looks sick. Nice. Um
Hey Kind of related to AI
Signal is blocking Windows recall microsoft's AI enabled constant logging of everything that you do on your computer
Signal messenger is warning users that the privacy of their communications is being threatened by Windows recall
Um microsoft's AI tool that will screenshot index and store pretty much everything a user does every few seconds
They have updated signal for Windows to by default
Block the ability of Windows to screenshot the app
Signal's move reduces the possibility of recall indexing indexing private messages
But doesn't eliminate it because Users can change the setting within the desktop app
For example, if they want to make use of accessibility tools like screen readers
Signal officials note that microsoft has made many adjustments to recall in response to critical feedback over the last year
But recall still places any content displayed within privacy protected apps like signal at risk
We've actually got a video coming up about recall. Uh, we kind of
totally on purpose Have a laptop from back when recall was first announced that we
did the like hacks ring to make it work even though it wasn't an AI enough laptop and uh,
We left it disconnected completely from the internet as a time capsule of
Windows recall when it was first launched and we take that
Out of the mothballs and a brand new signal a signal excuse me
Windows recall laptop and show the differences in behavior
How they how they log how it's encrypted or not encrypted and interesting. It's a really cool video
Yeah, that's cool that we totally on purpose definitely kept that laptop disconnected from the internet for a year
Nice happy accidents. Happy accident. Yeah, no, we just like a lot of recipes are made
We were originally planning to make a video about recall and then for soft bailed on the launch
And so we were like, oh, okay. Well, we can't really make this video. So we just like they're not even releasing it
Yeah, so it was like written. Yeah, but we just like put everything away and so it ended up working out
So we'll we'll do the video now Our discussion question is is anyone excited about recall?
No Really incredibly draconian it teams
Cool, yeah, but they already have tools like that. So it's not even like microsoft's just reinventing the wheel
From that perspective Well, maybe they could save money on their tools that they have that already do that because you're right
Man full plane chat is hilarious any
Any excuse to mention that you use firefox
Every single full plane user uses firefox. I know that I know that I know that this is this is just fact
It's like it's a law of The universe. Yep. Um, even the ones that use chrome
This is super cool. They still use firefox coach a small french company sells a product called infinite battery
Which allows users to swap individual cells inside in order to have them the battery last longer
The company explains that most e-bike batteries are made up of collections of 18 650 cells
Which are wired together in series in parallel and often an e-bikes battery will fail and stop working
Even if only a small handful of these individual cells stop working
The product is a fireproof casing and some documentation that allows users to swap in fresh
Cells with only a screwdriver. It also has a built-in battery monitoring and other stats that can be seen through your phone
And is currently compatible without with about 90 percent of existing e-bike brands
This is super cool. That's awesome. Yeah, we did a video
Man, this was years ago at this point where
The title is this should be illegal battery repair blocking and uh
It was when I discovered that not only will brands
Not enable you to replace the cells in your battery pack
But some of them will actively block you from doing it by detecting a change in voltage at the bms
and then self-destructing If at any point that voltage goes outside of certain parameters and uh
This was back when collin was working here. He told me that apparently some of them are so
So bad that not only will they self-destruct if it like goes to zero
But they will self-destruct if you charge them
and it's like It suspiciously charges like too much more better. You must have changed the cells in here
And they'll turn off Go to sleep forever
That is brutal. I still believe everything that I said back then that should be illegal
And I think that this e-bike company sounds super cool. Yeah, that's awesome
There's some microsoft announcements from build 2025
Microsoft has made their Windows subsystem for Linux lsx open source with the code up on github now
LSx allows Windows to natively run elf executables and implement Linux syscalls inside the Windows kernel
Very cool microsoft is also adding model context protocol support Windows 11 for tighter integration with ai
All right from an official statement the mcp platform on Windows will offer a standardized framework for ai agents to connect with native Windows apps
Which can expose specific functionality to augment the skills and capabilities of those agents on Windows 11 pcs
Okay, and finally microsoft has announced the newest web syndication standards
nl web designed to make it easier for ai to crawl the internet and add tighter ai integration into web pages
Cool
And in other hooray news open ai buys one of joanie ive's companies io for six and a half
billion dollars. Oh good I am happy they had that much money. I was reading an article about this acquisition
that um highlighted products that uh the the x design chief at apple
um was working on with his like love from or
io company or like whatever whatever it is that he's doing sure and and one of i think two
projects that they highlighted was That he's designing his company's headquarters
And i was like Okay, like right, but isn't that just like
Like a necessary thing that because people need a place to sit like what are you actually
What do you actually do? I'm actually i'm a hundred percent not sure and maybe i'm missing something here
But i i i haven't seen anything that love from or io have done that are worth six and a half
billion dollars
Like can we Can we contextualize this?
at all um, like this must be this must be a game changer
Like absolute game changer. Can you guys can you guys let me know like what love from or and or io
Have done to be worth six and a half Bees apparently sam altman has been working with johnny i've already on some like
i'm assuming ai enabled smart wearable necklace thing
Uh, because apparently we didn't learn anything from the ai pin
So maybe No one's giving me anything in here. Well, I don't think they've done anything
So I think the the value is this stuff's done stuff. They've done like design work for companies. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like
Oh, but I don't think they've released like a product. It's not like johnny. I just just been like sitting there
Wouldn't be surprised. I mean no, I would I would he seems like he seems like a go-getter. He's a grinder. I just um
What The 6.5 billion
Yeah What what is your what to sorry what it's sorry sorry the 6.5 billion. What about the 6.5 billion?
No, you said what no, no, no, don't worry about it. It doesn't matter. Okay. I must have misheard you. Okay, cool
I I think I think it's the the whatever they've already been working together behind closed doors on a
Device sure but for six and a half billion dollars. Oh, yeah
Like how many units have said device could you possibly be hoping to sell?
Such that you could amortize over that number of units the 6.5 billion dollar acquisition of your partner
I really you know the um, you know the Analysis that happened when
Elon like bought and sold his companies to each other
Yeah, and people were like, oh, it's it's because he's like effectively moving money around
So that he has more stock control of a higher percentage of whatever blah, blah, blah
I really wonder how much of that is happening
Unmass in the ai space as there's like all this funding going in and then companies are finding like
Oh, everyone kind of hates it and there's a lot of free models
And there isn't actually a ton of money in like developing LLM tech
uh Let's just like
Buy companies and do this other stuff to like move the money around
I mean, I guess um
Well, hey, congratulations Johnny
um That's a lot more money than you would have made hanging around at apple
so Yeah Good job
Yeah sure
Unless it's just moving money around I mean, I like really feel like it might be there's all these rumors about open ai and microsoft kind of breaking up and um
I don't know the last thing that open ai did that was big in the news that wasn't drama
Compared to other companies that are like Pushing big models and arguably more effective models and open ai's models
Many of which are just open source which just like
Largely removes the need for them to exist
I don't know it's an interesting field for open ai right now, but
Yeah, um Our discussion question, which I actually do want to discuss for a bit is let's say this isn't a necklace
Let's just speculate, but it's not a necklace
What wearable ai tech
Can you think of that would actually be something you would consider buying?
Because I have felt a little left behind
By current hardware trends
I don't want smart glasses At least not in their current form. How many people do well some people do. I mean met us selling some glasses
Um, I don't use I actually don't even this is not a co-pilot enabled pc. I don't even have a co-pilot button
I this one isn't here. Yes, it is. It's right there. Ah um
Okay, so you're clearly in the same situation as me. Oh my god. It does do something when I press it. Well, I'll have to kill that
I'll find a way. Yeah, it's not you It doesn't the point is I have used co-pilot enabled PCs and have only ever pressed the button by accident
I I I don't never even pressed by accident. I don't use AI. You know, is there I blocked it out like you blocking out ads
nice, um But but people are you like I don't I don't really use it as part of my workflow like occasionally
Fire up, you know chat gpt or you know, whatever to like when I was brainstorming
names first mash champs I I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, what would you call a badminton center? I ultimately went with something that was different from anything
That's put out but like use it as a sounding board. Yeah, I used it as a sounding board But like I almost know I will never rely on it
I shouldn't say will never I don't mean that future looking maybe someday I will rely on it
But I I never really rely on the intention right now um
And so I just feel like like all the new products that are coming out are like not for me. I like to write things myself
um, I don't want to wear smart glasses and I'm just like
can I just I don't know. Can I just have like ear pods?
Oh, okay, like they could be headphones already. I love how effective apple's branding is man
the fact that you called them ear pods is like
Mind-blowing to me. I I go out of my way consciously
to call these my earphones These days because it just it bothers me that my kids call any earphones air pods
like it just bothers me Air pods are not
A monopoly even though they basically are And uh, sorry. Sorry. It just bothers me the reason why I
Do like calling them ear pods. I know they're the only ones that I hate all the other ones
I mean you're wearing ones that seem to be staying in okay, uh, they like hurt because I had to jam them in
Like my ears will be sore for the rest of the day. Oh, woe is me. Yeah
I mean
Uh, okay, sorry. I don't know why I said that
But okay, if you look at like air pod fours, they got actually pretty significantly smaller. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah there
So there is room to have some expansion to fit a little bit more tech in there
Um, especially if it's just like reporting out to your phone or something
Okay, so and then you could hear because they they have the ability to talk to lm's
Okay, so so but then let's let's let's ask the usual question right
And that is why would that need to be in my earphones?
Why wouldn't it just be in my phone which is connected to my earphones?
Yeah Okay, so
Let's try again There's no wearable then though. That's the problem other than glasses like what the heck would a necklace do nothing
Well, it could have a I
Camera on it
You laugh, but it's basically that stupid google thing. Yeah that google
No camera that would take pictures with ai at like the right times or whatever
Everyone's like completely forgotten about this. I bring it up every once in a while. It's so bad
Uh, do you guys remember what that stupid thing was called chat?
Um You're like Pretty hyper out of time. I can help you go pack up your room if you want
Uh, sure Um, what else do we need to get through? We got a couple more. There's one more really important thing. Okay two brave souls
our Clip says hold on hold on. Yeah, hold on google clip. I think that's it or wait was google google clip software
Uh, I don't remember this at all. Clip on camera device designed by google
Two and a half stars from the verge nice
I think that might have been it Uh, anyways, hold on hold on you're gonna like this two brave souls are fighting to preserve the lost art of GPU boxes
Oh Okay, check this out
Look at this It's like uh, it's like a table book. Oh, that's cool. They went around look at what we had
They were oh man. I knew you're gonna like this and painstakingly captured
Cool GPU box art From back in the day and just made like a table book of it. Look how like this is a crazy card
And how like normie and plain that looks yeah compared to all this stuff. Look at this
This is so awesome. Dan. Are you getting this on screen at all?
As your hopes up then
Uh over cloths Yes, I can see it an archive of graphics card box art is a new book showcasing the most radical
GPU box art from the bygone era of bombastic branding and is being being released by publisher lock books on may 31st
Curated by mike mccabe and sam bailey it will feature over 300 retail boxes from the late 1990s through to the early 2010s
Plus over 50 GPU print ads from the golden age of gaming magazines
um That's all that's cool. I like it. There's a couple of messages. Sorry. We should get one for the office. I'd be down
All right a couple left here. Hi dll recently upgraded pc after years. Why in 2025 does it seem like Windows?
Is Windows unable to migrate apps and settings seamlessly? For example, iandroid iOS upgrades to
Resetting up apps explorer pinned items is still so manual
That's a good question. I mean, I I actually find the process pretty darn manual
On iOS as well Windows really if you upgrade Windows
Isn't it pretty seamless or do they mean moving the device a fresh install? That's what it sounds like to me
yeah migration and and like
I I guess for me I would say um
There's a really really fine line between carrying forward settings that will be helpful to the user and
carrying forward Prud that might have been like
Bunging up your previous Windows install. I also want to stop install. Yeah
So I just don't know. I don't know how you'd fix that without making a lot of other things worse. Yeah, and
You might say okay. Yeah, but i'm the user I could decide what I prefer
But a lot of users would probably use this convenient option and then have their system be
Bunged and then blame microsoft for it. So I can see why a fresh install is a fresh install. I I get it
Last one i've got for you today Linus have your badminton friends over there reacted to smash champs yet?
Uh, yeah, yeah, I I had told them last year that it was coming. So uh pretty much everyone
I showed them some of the pictures on like google maps and stuff like that and uh, they're they're mostly like
What really? Oh, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I mean I told you I was doing this. They're like, yeah, but like it looks really good
Thanks Appreciate that
Yeah, it's been good. I got together with um
Most of my like badminton crew uh this year. I played every day. I'm dying
I think one of my toenails on my left foot is probably gonna fall off. Um
My tennis elbow is back full force. No, but it's um
I have like no grip strength right now from just like using it hard all week
I I'm I think I lost uh about six pounds
I've got little man doing five different things for his forearms. Oh really? Yeah
Five different things. I mean at his age, there's probably a sixth, but that's the that's on his own. Yeah
And I guess we'll see you again next week. Uh same bad time. Uh same bad channel. Bye
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