at this point, so whatever weird fungus is fungi we have growing on our bodies, it doesn't
really matter. Yeah, we just share it. There's literally no woman who it will matter to other than my wife who is stuck with me
now. I mean, where else is she going to get all this?
Hey, hey, hey, I'm dollar giant quality.
Yeah. Dollar giant quality, Dalarama, please.
So rude. How could you? How could you, Dan?
Dan, I swear, I swear, I swear.
And now I can't bleep it. No.
I swear. We should do like manual bleeping.
Ah! Why? Okay.
Okay. Oh, no, yeah. Instead of poking this, I'll just poke you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay.
Ready? Three, two, one. Ah!
Yeah, that works great. Did it work? Yeah.
I'm not sure. We'll have to, oh, someone went into cardiac arrest, so that's fine.
I mean, the swearing won't bother them at that point. The least of their concerns.
That's true. Stream deck functions again.
What the f*** did you just say to me? Did you just f***ing say that the f***ing stream deck f***ing functions?
I was, that was a joke. Oh, no.
Pretty quick.
Let's see. Yeah. I think that was fine.
It's probably fine. I'm not going to check again. Yeah, that's what you want during a live broadcast is the company that makes live broadcast
equipment to have their software crash and then the buttons don't work.
Yeah. That's great. Man, Corsair has become like kind of a weird company.
Like they used to be like, yeah, we make high performance memory and now like, I don't
know, mic arms. Everything.
Yeah. It's like. I mean, they make old computers now.
Well, they, they got to the point where they. Don't they make desks? Yeah.
So they're really trying to take over literally everything. Not to the point where they had so much market share in the verticals that they did participate
in. The only way to grow. Yeah.
Power supplies, memory. Literally the only way to grow unless you could like find parents and like beat them
up and make them buy gaming PCs for their kids.
Like, right? Like other than that, you have to just, you have to sell more and more of the ecosystem.
Now, how's their stock doing? Remember they went public.
What a weird company to invest in. Corsair's stock.
Yeah. So they have whole computers, peripherals.
Are you doing there, buddy?
Oh. Yeah. This was a good time to sell.
Was that 2020-ish? 2020. Yeah.
Yep. Makes sense. Yep.
That COVID action. So that was probably like a fake rise just because of COVID and what they're at now is
probably. Well, they also like went IPO here and then like, oh, like doing really good for a bit and then
everyone realized that like selling gaming peripherals is, you know, kind of like, there's
some certain companies that just probably shouldn't go public.
Like, did you know that Swift tech was a publicly traded company?
That's odd. Like you remember Swift tech, right? Like Waterblock maker, like they were public.
They were like, I forget what their stock was worth, like four cents or something like
just, but even like, why don't I go public?
Let's go public. You want to go public? No.
I like doing it in public. Hey, you said remember Swift tech?
So I decided to look into it and yeah, their website's still out. Oh, yes.
Totally still up. The copyright's 2019 and it's not secure. Yeah.
No, no, no. Go to, uh, go to like the online store. I don't think any of it's in stock.
It's all like old. Like the apogee SKF, dude, brother, that came out like eight, nine years ago or something.
That's their like skived copper heatsink or a cold plate design.
That's fricking ancient. Yeah. Out of stock.
Like Iris RGB software, dude, there's, that's probably for Windows Vista.
Like I don't even know what the point of the site still being online is.
That's what I was going to ask. Oh, wait. Is this in stock?
What? Public LTT, no dividends and infinite hype.
You know what? I'm into it. You guys know at least some of you would invest in the stock just for the memes.
You know, you would don't even deny it.
I know you would. Why?
Dan, they would, wouldn't they? Why have an LTT stock when you could have Linus Coen tied to a percentage of the company?
Dude.
What would be the legal framework around that? I'm genuinely trying to figure that out.
I don't think that works. Not.
Can you have blockchain stock? I mean, I'm sure you could treat it.
Like if you did a dividend, yeah, but you'd basically have to count on the honor system.
Yeah. You'd have to count on me not to rug pull you, which come on.
I mean, we all know, like, hold on, here's the button.
Up here. Right? Like I would, like I, I can't, I couldn't help myself.
I just all of you. Honestly, every time, honestly, every time he shows up to the show set, there's a, there's
a rug down here and he just starts, yeah, there's, there's no rug left on his side.
Yeah. It's all over here. He's done that thing where like it's like one inch every week, he just slowly.
But I pull it so quick that the table doesn't move. That's why you, that's how you never notice.
Yeah. You never notice. Yeah.
Stock chain. Oh, I actually love it. That's brilliant.
That's pretty good. The Wolfenstein, consider yourself banned from chat. You never existed.
Yeah. That was my idea. Boom.
Yeah. Wait, what the? What just happened?
There, that should work.
What did we just show them? Was it fine? I didn't catch it.
Oh yeah. That was just the, the thumbnail face insert. Okay.
Now I have my dumb mug back. Yeah.
Yeah. You could, you could auto system payout dividends.
Or I could just not. I could just be upfront with them that there are no dividends.
There's no dividends. You just get, it's, it's essentially an NFT of a stock certificate.
That's great. Holy crap. That's amazing.
Oh. Could you, like, okay, so like, you know how I think it's tethered, I'm not good with
coins. Tether and so on and stuff. Where it's tied to USD.
Yeah. Which, you know, I wouldn't buy a bunch of tether right now.
Dude, the, dude. Oh, it's been falling. The USD has been going goodbye by over the last little while, which is, I always, I've
said this before, is great for my net worth and terrible for my income.
It's kind of interesting because it's not lower than it was in like 2024 yet.
Well, it depends. You can't just compare it against CAD.
So against an entire basket of foreign currencies, the USD is taking an absolute pummeling right
now. About Bulgarian Lev. Well, that I don't, well, there you go.
Yeah. What about Brazilian real? Oh, not as bad.
Well, let's look at a broader scale. It's like five years. Belovian Boliviano.
They're not doing so good.
Yeah. Let's look somewhere else. What should I do?
Australian. Australian dollars. We have here.
Hold on. The other graphs. Got to fix that.
There you go. Now read it. Oh, wow.
Yeah. This is very, very revealing once you correctly orientate.
Japanese yen is another good one to look against.
Yeah. USD is just on a, it's on a slide.
There it is. Whoa.
Yeah. I mean, the scale of these graphs makes it really hard to compare.
Yeah. Because like doing one month is like, it looks like that.
So like graphs should, and graphs should have like zero on their axes probably.
Yeah. Usually. That's fair.
I also would love more granularity than one day, five day, one month, one year.
Like that's such a huge jump.
I don't know if you can do a custom time period with that one.
I'm sure you can on things that aren't literally just Google search.
That's got to be a thing, PK7. An extension that converts any mention of Australian dollar to dollar redo.
It has to be a thing. There's absolutely no way that's not a thing.
Yeah.
Good. That's true. Curious bread.
Yeah. That is the one time I care about Yahoo.
Apparently. I think with the new Chrome change, it probably broke it, but yeah, apparently it was a thing.
That's amazing. Australian dollars to true currency dollar reduce.
Someone did it.
Should we maybe do a podcast? No.
This is the podcast. Yeah.
We technically are doing a podcast. You want to go home now?
No. No. No, I like, I like podcast.
Yeah. We can. We can go.
I like podcast. I like the podcast. I invested in the podcast.
Podcast NFT. Five bucks. Final offer.
You know what you could do?
You could sell like one inch squares of the top of this.
We could sell post-it notes that you put in the backdrop.
You could make it like, what is that Reddit thing that was cool and then they've like
never really recaptured that flame? Yeah. You could make r slash place, but it's the top of this table.
It's like a million dollar website. I like it. Sounds like a million dollar website.
Oh, okay. No, actually, this is something we should do at some point.
We should make our table for the WAN Show a TV and then yeah, we should let the people
merge message to like, yeah, like we should actually make money on it.
You'd have to moderate it. That's actually brilliant. No, we wouldn't.
We could manually. It's not what I did. No, we could manually moderate it.
We could have vinyl stickers. Dbrand could sponsor the censorship of the table.
What if somebody puts up like genuinely not okay stuff?
Then we will censor it. What if CP shows up on the screen?
Well, no, because I think we should make it like place where you draw.
So you wouldn't be able to just upload an image. You'd have to draw it, which is like, it's stupid and gross, but it's not illegal, I
don't think. Actually, I don't know.
I don't know either. I don't know. That anime stuff, they just say that they're like 5,000 years old or whatever.
Yeah, I'm sure we could figure it out. I'm sure we could figure it out.
In general, we could have a tape delay. I think it's pretty funny. Yeah, we could have a tape delay, but I think that would, that would be a new sort of merge
message. Oh man, my brain just keeps going into ways that this is a bad idea.
Yeah, but I mean, you gotta, that's no fun.
Don't be unfun. You're being unfun right now.
What would you do with?
I don't know, nothing, I guess. Who cares? Just leave it up?
Yeah. I mean, we could also draw on it, so we could just put like a Hitler stash on it.
We have to order things from LZD store to like overwrite.
No, we'd have to come up with some fun way for us to earn edits.
We'd have to like do something. I feel like this makes sense. I feel like we'd have to complete a challenge of some sort.
I don't know. This, it sounds like, it sounds like a fun- They're solvable.
The problems are solvable. Yeah, it's all solvable. It's all solvable.
This sounds like a fun shtick we could do for a while. Ah, what else was I going to say?
Oh yeah, right, right, right, right, right. And then because like profiting off of gambling is such a thing now, in addition to our coin,
we'd want to make it so people can also, we don't want to have our own gambling platform
where people can gamble indirectly on the coin by gambling on whether it will go like up
or down so they could like short the coin and stuff.
But we'd take a commission on all of the action. Of course.
Of course. Very good. Yeah.
Nice. So how does the drawing, do you get like some amount of seconds of time when you make a
purchase to draw? Oh, that'd be interesting. Because how does the drawing work?
I mean, if we wanted to go- I never did our place, so I don't know how it functioned.
I think you just would draw. You get one pixel, you can place one pixel, one color, and then there's a time delay.
That's it? That's what place was. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'd have to do more than that. No, we'd have to give people, yeah, more than one pixel.
We still need that scam shirt, says Crystal. One dollar equals one pixel, so it scales with your cart value.
Yeah. Oh, that could work. That actually kind of makes a lot of sense.
That could work. Oh, that's crazy. You're crazy.
No, no, no, no, that's from chat. I know, I know. You're chat, you're crazy.
That was the million dollar website, I think, right? You could buy one pixel for one dollar and then he sold it as advertising space.
I think it's still up. I can't remember. Shut up.
Is that really a thing? I think it's called the million dollar website. I never understood why anyone cared about this.
The million dollar homepage is a website conceived in 2005 by Alex2.
Yeah, it was a thing. The thing that I didn't understand was that people actually did buy in on it.
You can go the actual website if you want. Oh, it's still a thing? Yeah, it's milliondollarhomepage.com.
It's all just links.
Discover Cuba, hosting reviews, I mean, no, this has got to be, yeah, there you go.
I mean, it's so old. Yeah.
Wasn't there a Coca-Cola in here at one point? I don't remember.
Go G Juice. No risk. Be healthy.
Make money. What could go wrong? Man boobs?
Where's man boobs? There's definitely stuff on here that's...
You should probably leave. Don't get flashed off the road.
Get protection now. Where'd the man boobs go? I want to see the man boobs.
Where is it? Man boobs. We're fat and we're proud.
Send money. No reason. Okay.
Send moneynoreason.com.
Apparently not enough money was sent. You should have sent more money.
Tom Corvin. I don't know who Tom Corvin is.
We're only live on Floatplane right now, right?
And Twitch and Facebook and TikTok.
Oh, look, I can find singles in my area.
This isn't cheese.
That's okay. That's okay. I'm also clenching, Luke.
Lock down his computer now.
All right. Should we do this thing?
Sure. Well, how do we have a day off in the middle of the week and it's still like...
How does the way to make it feel like the longest week in the world? Freaking exhausted. Because you have a one day week and then you have another week.
That's what it feels like. Our policy used to be that if we had weird random stats in the middle of the week, we'd
move them to the Monday so that we could get a long weekend.
And apparently enough people complained that we stopped doing that.
And now it's just dumb. That's crazy. I hate it when stuff like that happens.
How did that happen? What?
Yeah, that used to be at worst. I thought that's how it was supposed to work.
Because I know if we have Fridays, we move them to Mondays.
That's crazy. Like how could we not want the long weekend?
Yeah, that was brutal.
I don't get it. This is why we're not allowed to have nice inks.
Wow. Crystal says fix it then. I believe it or not, I am not a f*** tater.
I do overrule the will of the people sometimes.
But especially these days, it really does not happen very much.
Like we try to reach a consensus in most things.
And this is one of those things where the cost of the company is identical.
So it's like if you guys prefer to have a Tuesday off compared to a long weekend, I guess.
I don't know. I mean, if that's what people want.
Yeah, who am I to tell them no. No.
I don't care what the people want. I mean, you don't need to care.
Karen does. Dang. You don't.
Okay, let's do this thing.
Okay. Oh, I guess you're waiting for me to do it.
Yeah. Balls are in your hand or whatever the saying is.
Court. It's court. My mistake.
All right. Resuming the selected now. Doing stuff on Canada Day is pretty nice.
Yeah.
Doing stuff on a long weekend is pretty nice. Yeah.
There are like Canada Day specific events.
I don't even. Oh, yeah. Right.
Right. The whole, um, how is this so controversy?
Stop killing games. Controversial. Yeah.
You know, how is this so controversy? Stop killing games.
Well, we'll get to that. But stop killing games is a thing.
Maybe or maybe it won't be or maybe it is.
What? What an intro to a topic.
It's not an intro to a topic. It's an intro to the show.
Uh, right. We'd hate to misrepresent this and have people who are just tuning in for the first time
think that this is a hinged show. Uh-huh.
Yes. Correct. No hinges.
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Stop killing games. You were leading the wrong way. So I was trying to do it right.
Stop killing games. Did it. Stop now.
Unless what you want to stop is stop killing games.
You sound like a town crier. I am the crier.
I was on two and a half men, you know.
My name's John. What?
It's the actor's name. John Crier.
Oh, wow. All right. Stop killing games.
The initiative to save games from dying at the hands of their makers because usually developers
stop making money on it and they're like, hmm, we architected this to only work if our
servers are online and now they're not. So I guess it's too bad.
See you later. It has crossed the one million signatures it needed to get the attention of the EU commission,
which gives it a much higher chance to pass a law which could force developers to sunset
their games properly. Now Luke and I have given our thoughts on what proper sunsetting of games would look
like numerous times. And some really good examples. We've also given some examples of how in some cases it might not actually work that great.
It could be quite challenging whether it's around third party licensing of say, for example,
music or other media that's included in the game or whether it's around IP that is used
across multiple products that could potentially harm the security of those other products.
There are potential reasons that just putting out the source code of a particular game or
putting the servers into the hands of the players might be really challenging.
But that's what stop killing games is seeking to change, is to make them architect these
games from the ground up to comply with their obligation to make the game available after
they no longer wish to support it, whether that is in the hands of another entity or
the gamers themselves. Anyway, the petition is not over.
They want as many signatures as possible because the more signatures they get, the better they
can show interest in the movement. And it will also help in case some signatures are invalid for whatever reason, given that
this has gotten global attention. I don't doubt that a significant portion of those one million signatures are probably
not from the EU. Yeah, there's a big push for questioning.
Not only may they not be from the EU, but there's some questioning of if it was like
bodied to go higher with the intention of hoping that people would slow down once it
passed its mark. So there's a lot of questions going on.
In other news, because they have no sense of, I don't know, irony, EA has announced that
Anthem's servers will be shutting down on January 12th, 2026, and that the game will
be removed from EA Play on August 15th, 2025.
Man, there was some other terrible games industry news, but I guess none of it had to do with
games that were actually released. You see Microsoft killed a whole bunch of jobs again.
No, I didn't. Yeah, including some games that apparently were so promising that Microsoft executives
had to have the controllers taken out of their hands when they were playtesting it.
And now it's dead. Anyway, so if you're from the EU, head over to stopkillinggames.com and sign the petition,
because while this only affects the EU ruling, it is quite possible, nay, probable, that
it will have a larger impact outside of the EU as well, because if they already have to
do all of the work to architect their game so that it could be tied up into a nice little
bow and then hand it off once they no longer feel like supporting it, then I pretty much
guarantee you that that would have a positive impact for players in other countries as well.
Other continents, excuse me, sorry, sorry, EU is not a country.
There's also a UK-specific version of the petition on the same site.
If you scroll down a bit, this has also reached the 100,000 signatures needed, but couldn't
always use more. So our discussion question here is, can you brainstorm the ideal sunsetting plan that
developers could do to keep games alive forever? Is it leaving their servers up and running?
Is it making it open source? What's the ideal? And I know my answer, but I want to hear your answer.
Yeah, I don't think leaving their servers up forever is going to function to be, it's
not going to... No, no, that's not going to work. You can't just legislate companies losing money because eventually...
Incident maintenance on things that are losing money. Yeah, that's not going to work, but that doesn't mean that this is impossible or an unreasonable
expectation for products that we buy, right?
These aren't products that are even sold to us necessarily as a subscription service.
I mean, they treat them like one, but these are products that in many cases we buy as
like a one-time transaction and you can bury terms in your end user license agreement that
make it so that you're only obligated to leave it up as long as you feel like it.
But I think there is a certain expectation that when I give you a one-time payment for
something, say one lime, that that is now your lime, and that I don't have a remote
lime kill switch that will just take your lime and get it out of here, right?
Like that is not what our expectation would be, I think, under normal circumstances.
I have pirated the lime. Nice, open source lime, I like it.
I'll just put that back. You whacked the TV.
Well, it still looks like it works fine. You'll never prove it.
The camera didn't see anything.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's a little tough for some games.
I don't necessarily think it's completely unsolvable because the stance that we've had,
I don't know if this perfectly, honestly, I'm not super on top of the stop killing
game stuff, so I don't know if this perfectly aligns with theirs, but the stance that we've
had is that you should at least give the community a chance to do it.
Yeah, I'd say my ideal execution in this is Forged Alliance Forever.
Supreme Commander was a super cool game that I really enjoyed.
I think, I forget who went down first, gas powered games or THQ, but ultimately what
happened is there was some complexity around any kind of transfer of the IP.
There was some drama that went down around, I think it was, was it gas powered games that
went down first? You know what? I really don't remember, so it doesn't matter.
The point is either the publisher or the developer went bye-bye and what they ultimately
arrived on was leaving the matchmaking and custom map hosting and community chat and
all of these features, leaving them in the hands of the community that wanted to maintain
the game and be stewards of the game, meaning that even though it has been like 10 plus years
now since that game was no longer actively supported by the developer, you can still
play it online. You can play custom maps. There's all kinds of cool mods that you can apply, so they have their own mod workshop
that's built within the FA Forever, so Forged Alliance was the expansion to Supreme Commander.
So it's Forged Alliance Forever. So within the Forged Alliance Forever launcher, it handles automatic updates, it's a little
janky. Sure. But in a way that's honestly like, I'm completely fine.
It's kind of cool. It reminds me of old style computing.
But it's alive. It's freaking alive and the best part is the IP holders still get to profit from it.
So you have to buy. They've worked out a system where you have to authenticate with the Forged Alliance Forever
server that you have to give it access to your Steam library and prove that you own
a copy of Supreme Commander or Forged Alliance.
Also think it's fine. Which I think is totally fine. I mean...
If the company is willing to hand all these reins over in the way that they did, then
I think it's okay. Ideally, they put it at a price that's like not.
Yeah, and I think it's pretty reasonable these days. But the point is just that this is a way that the players continue to win by being allowed
to play the game and the publisher and or developer, depending on whatever their revenue
split looks like, gets to continue to win by occasionally selling the game here and there.
That's freaking awesome. You can buy it for $2.79 right now.
That is two US dollars. It's a great game.
It actually has legitimately a pretty decent campaign.
Like it's an RTS campaign. So you know how it goes. You do each level and you unlock some more of the tech tree and you kill all the bad
guys or whatever. And I would say that the online can be a little daunting to get into because you'll finish
that campaign and think you're a supreme commander god.
And then you'll jump in online and get absolutely curbstombed.
It's the skill ramp is insane.
But it has a really great built-in replay function that allows you to watch back at
any speed you want and like it's really quick to go through replays.
People from my experience have been very friendly and willing to discuss strategy.
So once you get a handle on some of the strats, it's it's it's it's pretty fun if you if you
like a deep if you like a deep RTS and it has the best the best top down interface that
has ever existed for a game. I will stand behind that.
The strategic zoom is outstanding.
It's very easy to get around the map. With a mouse wheel, you basically you don't you don't move the cursor to the edge of the
screen and pan. That's like dinosaur technology.
So you just use the mouse wheel and kind of like zooming in on an image in like an image
editor. You just kind of like zoom out and then zoom in.
It's like and then you can actually turn so you can turn your viewport into like a super
zoomed in look at what something is doing. You can like you could go to one of your factories and see the unit that's being like 3D printed
on the bed and then you can zoom all the way out.
So your whole monitor is just a big mini map like a like a you know a not mini map but
you know anyway the point is there's icons for little just little icons representing
all the units and you can see like a whole strategic view of the entire battlefield.
It even supports multi monitor it did back in the day anyway.
So you could have like your your giant mini map on one monitor and then your gameplay
view on on another monitor was like freaking awesome.
Maxi map says when bingo chronified yeah exactly exactly apparently factorial has something
similar as well strategic zoom dude huge innovation in that game absolutely love it.
So that's my that's kind of the ideal to me is like put put put the ability to keep running
it in the hands of the community and if the community doesn't care then that's
fine all right all right and some games will still die.
I would prefer the things required to be put somewhere some external repository that doesn't
cost to maintain like a public github or something like that I don't know but like put it somewhere.
I don't know if this makes any sense internet archive it something do do something so that
you never have to look at it again because honestly if the company doesn't ever want
to look at it again I think that's completely fine also don't take it back if you have given
it up to the community and then they find some huge success with it it's theirs yeah
but but there's an opportunity there as well because that keeps the IP alive it keeps it
learn what they did that worked really well yeah and then do a sequel yeah it's still
your IP yeah yeah I what other parts of it I know like an argument that I've heard is
like oh what about the music licensing it's like okay yeah that can be a thing take the
music out I mean I think at that point you could even potentially task the community
with doing that you could be like here's all the stuff that's not licensed like we really
realistically you know we're insolvent now you know like we're not we don't have the we
don't have the means to do anything with this anymore but yeah here's the documentation
you guys are responsible for your own legal minefield you have to remove any licensed music
replace it with something else I'm okay with that I don't know how that necessarily works
legally but it seems fine to me I don't think you can legislate companies working on something
in perpetuity yeah you can't do that yeah but what you can do is you can create an expectation
that they will hand over in some semblance of working order the materials that are needed to
continue the work if there is someone who is willing to take it on
I don't think they can even hand over the music it needs to be removed beforehand that's easy to do and besides I don't think I don't even know I don't even know if I
I don't even know if I would buy that because realistically the the ownership the right to
use music comes down to licensing anyway like I could hand you a cd and that wouldn't be a
license to include it in a game so like if if I handed you a file pack I am not handing you a
license to use it in a game I'm just like it's it's one zero distributing the music you are
but you're not legal people we're not going to figure this out yeah no but but you're
distributing it with a set of terms that prohibit actually using it for anything yeah
like I don't know that's that's a that's a tough question that's for the legal people to figure
out and I you know appreciate their hard work but I my point doesn't change that I don't think
this is insurmountable our other question is I know you guys are boomers and play old games
but are there any games that have been shut down that have impacted your social circle I already
know Luke's answer oh I probably do yeah just when wow went to shit yeah like that's a that's an
even more interesting question because that's a version of a game that is still running yeah
that's a that's a tougher one that gets really tough um I don't think there's any recourse there
the community forced that too you mean bringing back wow classic yeah but then didn't wow classic
like evolve and then is like not wow classic anymore yeah no so no what I mean is like
nostalgia's back in the day and nostalgia's is the most well-known one but there's a ton of
private servers for wow sure not just nostalgia's and there still are private servers for wow
ton many of them the community forced that they like rebuilt boss mechanics and stuff
that they didn't have because they had to build like the server side of it and it's
honestly extremely impressive that was just out of like an immense amount of community
attention I guess but there is yeah there's still the original classic wow branch that
Blizzard made but it's still going and it's way past classic wow now and then there's like some
other versions I don't know all of them there's a hardcore one where if you die your character's
done and there's one I think called season of mastery where they like change a bunch of stuff
I don't I don't know if many people are into that and then there's rumors of them making
what they're calling classic plus now which is a whole other thing but yeah like games that iterate
ever quest wow all these old mmo's like it's really interesting because
where does that argument stop because it might not even be within an expansion might be a patch
within an expansion yeah so like a state of a game yeah like I mean okay here's a here's a
perfect example of a game that you know there wouldn't be any kind of stop killing games
impact on but they've absolutely made a change to it that has killed our ability to enjoy it
tape to tape that's an early access game I have good news for you okay that's an early access game
right now that they moved away from time-based game lengths to just first to reach a certain
number of goals it's a hockey game and Luke was so upset by this change to the gameplay
that I actually reached out to the lead developer or lead designer I guess is technically his title
and I advocated on your behalf and mine as well I agree that a hockey game is determined by the clock
not by how many you know who reaches the threshold number of goals is three periods three periods
and there is now a drop down which totally cool the pre-alpha branch so you can select your difficulty
and you can select first to a certain number of goals or time-based which is because maybe
some people will like that very weird version of first to three goals maybe some people are into
that cool I don't if it's an option I'm totally down yeah so it's we're back baby I looked today
and it's in nice it's in the pre-alpha branch so that's good yeah very cool very cool um but
yeah it gets you know yeah stop killing games wouldn't do anything about that because like everyone
is mad about classic wow but it's still technically I don't know what expansion they're even on now
but like the main branch is still technically there it never technically went away yep the game
was technically never killed it was never killed it was just expanded upon for decades so this is a
this is a tough this is going to be a tough thing to tackle because there's absolutely
practical challenges like we've outlined already not being able to legislate maintaining software
forever not being able to legislate never patching in or out functionality like that's
something that they could do to get around this pretty easily is they could just patch out multiplayer
yeah okay well that we didn't kill the game we patched the game down to a like you open a door
and then the game is over it's it's it's now long it's no longer multiplayer it is single player and
it shows an end screen you open one door and then the game ends and it says congratulations your speed
run time is you know x or whatever and we have given the files out to the community to run this
game so there's there's absolutely ways around this that we'd have to kind of try to to brainstorm
all the sneaky ideas that executives and publishers might have to get around it but it's a tough problem
i'm happy someone's trying to address it yes at least this is a step and i'm really glad to see
that it's got the momentum that it does even if there are some voices within formerly of the
industry that are speaking out against it because of some of these practical challenges around
crafting this legislation and then ultimately enforcing it what do you want to talk about next
well what's our headline not really our headline topic but what our our main topic apple
really wants you to see the f1 wants you to see f1 the movie yeah in an excellent piece published
on the star dot com dot my sure sure dot com dot my yeah okay uh jason atton aton aton sure jason
yeah discusses what he thinks is apple's most important product trust and how apple violated
customers trust with the recent push notifications sent to us iphone users through the wallet app
offering them a ten dollar discount on tickets for the uh for f1 the movie
huh i mean i have talked about this a fair bit but it always rings quite hypocritical to me
i don't like that when apple criticizes their competitors for being ad platforms when apple
is taking their very operating system and behaving no different from when microsoft
integrated one drive that bothers you to subscribe to it or put stupid candy crush
in the stupid start menu this is this is what apple would criticize anyone else for doing on
any other timeline so atton opines that apple's entire brand is that it is not like other tech
companies yes their products are expensive but in exchange for the larger bill at the checkout
you get a better user experience in an ecosystem that at least claims to prioritize privacy and
security over mining and monetizing your data he says that when apple uses an app most associated
with security and trust to advertise to its users it crosses a line absolutely tech crunch reported
on widespread social media complaints about the promotion and noted that a new offers and promotion
setting for iOS 26's wallet app suggests that apple plans to push more marketing through the app in
the future the push notification this is funny is actually in violation of apple's own app store
guidelines guideline 4.5.4 states that push notifications should not be used for promotions
or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via
consent language displayed in your app's UI and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt
out of receiving such messages so jason goes on to say a company that has spent years telling
the world that privacy is a fundamental human right a company that famously took on facebook
and limited how apps can track users across other apps and websites just used its own system level
app to send out marketing content that users didn't ask for and couldn't opt out of that's not a
great look how much money did they get for this uh well i don't think it's so much about how much
money they got i think it's more about how much money they spent like this is an apple tv production
yeah i see our discussion question is but at least that u2 album was awesome right
says jordan uh so this is actually not the first time that apple has just brazenly used
their platform for marketing what is this website sorry apple tv is buying the tv rights in the
us for f1 sorry sorry that's the affiliation thank you thank you uh j brad uh what is it
this is the star dot com dot my website is a mess yeah don't worry about it it's a good it's a good
take either way okay yeah let's not worry too much about that for now all right so i guess the question
here is are we really surprised i mean apple's hypocrisy has been on full display for so long
and i know that this really this really rubs a lot of apple fans the wrong way whenever i pointed out
but like apple's whole thing with their whole like sub site on apple dot com about all their
sustainability while at the same time in their other hand they're either facilitating or explicitly
enforcing the bricking of perfectly functional devices like apple's whole holier than now thing
around user privacy and security while operating data centers that are effectively under the control
of the chinese government for their chinese users like can we please please stop pretending that apple
is anything other than an equally soulless and heartless corporation like any other please
don't fall for the branding that's all i ask and when yeah and when apple rubs me the wrong way
over this stuff a big part of it is honestly not that they're behaving any different this is
honestly not any worse than you know samsung promoting their crap to me on my samsung phone
or google promoting their crap to me on my google phone the difference is that those guys for the
most part just kind of own it google's like yep we're an advertising company
whereas apple sits there and just blows smoke up their own asshole about how amazing they are
and how much they care about this stuff no you don't when the rubber hits the road you guys will
sell us out as fast as anyone else and here's the proof in f1 okay rubber hits the road didn't
quite work there but the f1 thing i you know what i'm standing by it rubber it's one of my
problems that i'm having is like people in some people in flow plane chat and some places on
i'm seeing elsewhere i think this directly ties into what you were kind of just talking about but
people are like oh but it's good though it's like man you can't that doesn't work
because what if the next one's not good well yeah
copy says except for Linus media group incorporated they have a soul right no i'd like to think that
some of the people who work here have a soul but the company itself i'd like to think that
influential people who work here have a soul and care but as soon as you go public you are
beholden to your shareholders and in that case your shareholders are in it for literally one thing
like in in our case our primary shareholder that's me has to get out here every week and talk to
you guys directly and you guys talk to me directly sometimes very direct minus we need to talk okay
that video you did on the lawnmower today didn't enjoy it actually actually for uh for just like
a friday showcase people seem to be kind of into the lawnmower video today they said it's a lot better
than the pool robot one we did so we we want land robot not water robot the point is the
point i'm making is that we have a two-way dialogue and there is an actual ability potentially at
least to make your voice heard and that may actually affect change and we did take a lot of the feedback
from that pool robot video and integrate it into making a better lawn robot video this time was it
still just a sponsored showcase that we put in our friday time slot where it's ultimately going to
get stomped on by WAN Show and we know it's not going to perform very well you better believe it
but hey we're able to have this conversation and we're able to make it as best of that as it could
possibly be whereas with a publicly traded company like at the end of the day the people with the
influential voice are going to be the shareholders that are able to exert power over the board of
directors and the executive team um that's it your voice doesn't actually matter and if apple sees
that in spite of people being upset about this that a whole bunch more people go to see f1 the
movie and they ultimately get a bunch of kickback from it they're just going to do it again
so no we don't have a soul and no you shouldn't just implicitly you know believe that we have
your best interest at heart at the end of the day we we are a corporation like any other
but i also think that being a smaller company not a publicly traded company not having investors
who are purely in it to extract as much value as possible over as fast a timeline as possible
i do think that that makes smaller companies a little different maybe we even think different
maybe we are apple okay i i genuinely really miss the old taglines like until inside was really good
what even is Intel's current one is it still Intel inside i don't think i legitimately don't
even know but like this is a pro i can think of uh there's one company that i really like their
tagline and then they changed it and i like kept saying their old one and then they square space
mad at us build it beautiful it was so much better what is it now i don't know yeah who
cares who cares once you get one that's really good and everyone likes you should probably
just keep it is this just nostalgia glasses though do you are you just a boomer who remembers
the beautiful was good who remembers things the way they liked it until inside was good
think different was good what is apples now what's ours i don't think we have one maybe we should
you get a passion for technology okay that's on our mission statement that's not it though
yeah that's not it light things on fire dude when i did that interview and talked about
sort of how we see our role in the tech space as like going around and like starting little fires
and like seeing what burns you know what i was thinking was ignite passion for technology
but the context around the events that happened at that time with the california wildfires
and the fact that i was down in california oh no and the timing of the release of the video
like the wildfires hadn't happened yet when i used that analogy analogy yeah
so maybe we sometimes doing stuff in public is hard yeah how about we sprout passion for
technology we'll change it spread it it sounds impregnated oh impregnate passion yeah that plant
seeds of passion yeah deep seeds like from alien the burst out of your chest
um cool
what are we but is something that speaking of fires is something on fire
uh somewhat i got it though it's fine he's doing great uh why don't we jump into
whatever we're supposed to be doing next we could do another topic or we could do some
merch messages how about some merch messages if uh looks doing his job instead of his job
whoa oh interesting okay sure uh uh merch messages are the way to interact with the show
we've actually got where to go here it is we've got a really exciting new product on the store
right now it is our transparent edition of the LTT screwdriver it's every bit the LTT screwdriver
that you already know and love but now it's clear so you can see the bits like this and you can even
see them when they're in there like that you can even see the ratchet mechanism moving around in
there a little bit as it click click click click click click clicks and makes it satisfying noises
so now's a perfect time just like jacob s to pick up one of these by sending in a merch message
merch messages go to producer Dan who will either reply to them himself forward them internally
for someone else to address or curate them for me and luke all you got to do to send a
merch message is go to lttstore.com add something to your cart like hey say for example this or
the transparent collection that's a cool hoodie that actually has my dental records on it because
we are absolutely unhinged people uh what else we got you could add oh the new uh hydro phase swim
shorts from our touch sand collection just add something to your cart and whenever we're live
you will see a box for a merch message and you want to show the peoples how it works sure thing
i've got one here from alissa Linus i have an epson home cinema 4010 pro uhd saw the valerian
pro 2 video specs beat mine on paper i thought that short throws were worse than traditional
projectors what am i missing is it worth switching for so i'd say traditional viewpoint is that short
throws were worse because you could have more distortion because of the the optics that are
needed to create such a large image over such a short distance and how much you have to kind of
stretch it in order to do that and just the the angle of the light and the wall and all that
with that said optics is an area of technological advancement over the last like
10 to 20 years that honestly probably has not gotten enough attention it's one of those things
where like people often in person people thinking they're gonna get an unexpected answer will ask
me things like you know what's the most exciting change in technology you've seen over your career
and the answer that i invariably give because i genuinely believe this is one that they they
don't expect so nobody comes away disappointed but i think it's actually in lighting um
think about what has transpired in the time our company has existed in lighting like cinema
lighting technology but also just the expense even the key no float like what has scaled
simultaneously in quality like lighting and in cost like lighting in the time that our company
has existed name something that is not what i would have expected our key no flow diva lights
were these quad fluorescent tube light things that had this cheap shoddy like corrugated plastic
flap system on them they were freaking heavy they were ridiculously expensive very expensive they
like sucked uh they weren't very bright and they had absolutely no capacity for adjusting them
in terms of their um their color temperature they just like were what they were they were
whatever fluorescent tubes you put in them nowadays dude companies like aperture you for like a few
hundred bucks you can get lights that are ludicrously bright like you can run your entire set off a
single circuit instead of having to you know have flip in like one halogen light that has to run off
a cable from way the frick that set over there and then like a bunch of other ones for the back that
can run on this circuit you need like three circuits to light your stupid set you can run an
entire set off of a single circuit you can make all these fancy adjustments to your color temperature
and your brightness and super granular it's all like wirelessly controlled and relatively simple
to integrate compared to what things were like back when we started um man what we paid for our uh
flip in uh well the RGB lights Dan that are first ones the blue ones sky panels or the Titan tubes
or something like that oh dude Titan tubes are so expensive but now you can now you can get like
off-brand ones that are like way cheaper they're like battery powered you could stick a light anywhere
you want and just as powerful and they're and they're awesome but like our our first sky panels
those are from Ari which tells you everything you need to know about how much they cost and like
i was like oh this is so cool because they had modes for uh like firelight flickering
and modes for like old school black and white tv so you could have it like off-camera and it could
like cast kind of like sometimes a little bit more black sometimes a bit more white i think some
just a cop car they had cop car i think some people aren't recognizing that you are talking
chronologically yeah because i got a comment that are like oh this thing is much better than the
keynote flow the the keynote flow that we bought was 15 years ago yeah yeah that's the point yeah
is the keynote flow sucked back then but that was like the go-to like decent kind of affordable
light and it was like five grand or something like that almost every youtuber that was heavily
investing in their camera setups at that time that i knew um had keynote flows yeah and like
dude by comparison i could buy some stupid little like led array on ali express and a little bit of
like diffusion paper or something and i could get better lighting results out of that for like
20 bucks than that keynote flow from it's been pretty like 13 years ago or whenever we bought
even the lights that are behind you now those tiny little square things they are so bright
they're ip 65 waterproof they're led um they're RGB they're taped to the floor yes you can't move
them because people bump into them dude and the little battery powered ones you can put on your
camera like those existed 10 years ago they were kind of rough but they were pretty bad they weren't
bright they were expensive the battery life sucked like i remember we'd have to oh man we'd like
micromanage like our mic pack batteries and our camera batteries and a stupid battery for the
little thing nowadays it's so easy to build a nice rig with just like one battery that like daisy
chains across to everything um no no i dude oh man smash champs smash champs is another great example
of this um hold on i'm gonna i'm gonna just bring this up do you have any flipping idea what the
probably so surprising for people is because house lighting premium house lighting is still
really expensive and honestly i don't know why house lighting for leds looks kind of poo
hold on where's a where's a better shot that shows okay so here uh no is that a video
why do i keep clicking videos can i just click something that's not a video here we go is this
a video there it's not a video okay perfect okay they're not actually on they're not lit though
this is absolutely genius here we go finally okay okay cool so um this lighting setup here was
inspired by a lighting setup that i saw in a hall in taiwan like almost 10 years ago now i think
and they had these really cool fixtures they were basically giant rectangular prisms that had that
were like a like diffuse uh like matte white prisms that were suspended across the entire hall
kind of like this um and it was less janky because they didn't have all these stupid like
ready rods and aircraft cable and stuff like they were really nice architectural design as opposed to
our functional design and um ever since i played there i i knew i wanted that for my ideal lighting
because it brings the lights down closer to the court and the closer the light is the less bright
it needs to be and therefore the less dazzling it is whenever you accidentally look directly into
the light which inevitably will happen when there's a moving projectile that could be coming from
anywhere to anywhere on the court surface um to do something like that back in the day good lord
they were so bright crazy yeah you would it would have had to have been full of either incandescent
or ccfl light sources you'd be losing a bunch of it to the to the diffusion layer nowadays do you
know how we made these these are just like your typical four by two office light panels and then
they're just on an angle yeah they're just mounted to like this uh this aluminum structure here is
there a diffusion layer on there in addition to the standard no that's just built in yeah because
it looks good it's just built in it looks like way better they've got little color temperature
switches on them so you can just decide what color temperature you want and look at this
you can actually really tell in the picture that the consistency is really good oh yeah like even
feels like that when you're there too even when led panels got somewhat affordable like i don't know
what five years ago ten years ago the cri of them sucked and the consistency was all over the place
nowadays you can just buy commodity stuff like these weren't even expensive i mean by enough
of them and anything's expensive but relatively speaking they weren't even expensive and they're
just outstanding and so i yeah i just i can't think of anything in the technology space that has
come down in price and up in quality like led lighting and i gotta i gotta caveat this with
i'm gonna say health things and you're watching a tech podcast so don't don't uh don't yell at me
just look it up a lime a day keeps your lover away i was trying to pick something i like that one
but yeah i've heard meanwhile in homes i've heard that things like the very very white light that
we're getting from modern leds and stuff is like bad for you because of circadian rhythm things and
stuff like that like the color temperature that we yeah that we set everything to cri i think
something they're not very full spectrum i'm not i'm not very up on top of this but and then like
actually nice lighting for your home is really expensive still so it hasn't the like consumer
space hasn't really followed the exact same trend in my experience oh as like the production space
and the commercial space yeah well maybe it's just different different incentives right like on the
production space in the production space everything comes down to like yeah why yeah i mean i guess
just my understanding is like led technology just misses a whole bunch of wavelengths and then you
get something like the china ball that's above us which is a you know full spectrum proper real
light uh-huh they have to do a lot of work right interesting that's my understanding please feel
free to correct me but you know high cri and full spectrum bulbs are way easier to do in the in the day
and i guess what's driving what's driving the innovation there that allows them to do that in
the production space is a combination like you've got the volume to invest in building a really good
led light but obviously you would have in in like a home setting as well you have the volume
but in a production space you also have people willing to pay at least some premium
whereas i don't know about you but for me when i'm like buying a light bulb to put in a fixture
in my house i'm not i'm not paying like extra yeah and it's and it's cheaper because you don't have
to care yeah we really have to care that's interesting yeah and the flicker free stuff
like your LEDs can blink in your home only a huge problem you can't perceptively tell that
they're blinking but it's like bad for you for some ish reason again like please yeah who knows
i did make sure i did make sure where's my where's my do you want to press the thing
oh uh yeah i could i could do that did you do it there you go there we go nice i don't know
look it up if you care but uh there's there's a lot of stuff going on with lighting yeah i made
sure these don't flicker because uh we want to be able to record in slow mo at some point
and i didn't want that to be a problem so so and it was not that hard to find just commodity
office lights that just to go in a drop ceiling that don't flicker it just it blew my mind that
never used to be a thing yeah i know right like impossible i know right yeah so the quality just
keeps getting it gets and it's happening so fast like even five years ago when we were looking for
lights like for the office it was freaking impossible to find anything that like brandon wouldn't lose
his shit if we installed and like didn't have also proper filming lights in addition to them
whereas like nowadays we could just hook these in the office and turn on a camera like incredible
pretty ones we put in the Labs like the drop-in ceiling ones pretty high cri yep pretty decent
super dimmable yeah yeah top gear and full planchetta is calling it pwm flicker yeah that's
that's right but yeah like the the old ones would just kind of glow oh incandescent yeah so there
you didn't have the flicker problem well they ran off they ran directly off of ac so theoretically
they should flicker but because you were just heating up an element it wouldn't cool down enough
in between the cycles for it to be a problem so it wasn't until we started doing things digitally
that we were like oh whoops um and and anytime you had a dimmable bulb they just oh man did they
ever suck in the early days emily shebang has said uh in in full planchette said i'm autistic
terrible sensory issues and can see the tiniest micro flicker possible and it's triggered my seizures
yeah so flicker is bad and apparently it affects at least some people people that don't have those
problems oh i as far as uh as far as i have heard it's like technically bad for all of us to a
certain degree um i don't know was that one merge message yes good lord i'm either really good at
this or really bad at it um thank you for sending a nice merge message depends on what we're trying
to accomplish okay yeah go for it Dan um why don't we do a second one and then we'll get into the
saw stuff sure um let's see g'day tall slightly shorter and short why is my download speed in
australia so slow i've noticed over in northern america speeds are two to three times faster
very jealous cheers how tall are you dad six foot two or sorry sorry five foot fourteen
get out
i can't out my head
oh hold on the female audience in Floatplane chat says yes and you never answered it it was
about projectors oh um these days i would say you can get a short throw with relatively low
distortion however i will say that compared to an ultra short throw the higher end cinema models
do still tend to be um short throw or like normal ish throw lengths and those tend to be the higher
quality models that have features like lens shift that make it much easier to get perfect alignment
uh etc etc so and they're like just giant bulbs right there you go okay sorry uh what was the new
one uh yes why is the internet slow in australia um because you're a penal colony and nobody cares
about you i'm glad somebody said it um the actual reason is the ocean because there's limited tubes
what they call it it's the internet is not a big lorry well now and everybody's cutting them that
doesn't help yeah that's darn sharks really is not helping way to go china
all right uh are we what are we doing now do you want to do the game
do you want to do another topic and then the game i guess we should probably do the game which i just
lost and so did all of you okay so um i was handed this backpack yes don't open the backpack just
yet yeah i'm supposed to not see or something okay i put the knock away close your eyes do i
turn them in 360 degrees and walk away one commuter back okay that's an old old reference still checks
out i get it vintage okay now what read the thing oh wait i have to close my eyes no i close my eyes
read oh he closes his eyes my eyes are closed let's play a game limeday you don't have to you
don't have to close your eyes i don't me yeah no just close the dock it's fine okay limeday
our annual sales event where we squeeze our margins and bring you sweet deals is happening next week
starting wednesday july 9th but instead of just listing out the deals you can expect
we thought it'd be fun to play a little game luke yes we're going to show you five different items
that are going to be on sale or in a bundle during limeday okay you have one guess to figure out what
each item is but here's the catch the picture is going to be very zoomed in oh oh and if you don't
get at least three out of five you have to take a bite out of this lime oh but if you do get three
out of five Linus has to i take a bite out of the line all right i don't think i'll mind taking
the bite out of the lime so hopefully with skin i with skin i mean i would assume so yeah i just
chomping oh right the side of it do you have to consume the whole thing i just take a take a bite
i think you have to at least chew three times i'm fine with that i don't know if i want to
yeah i i don't think you have to swallow i okay yeah do we yeah it's not that type of show
not yet wait for after dark yeah really okay all right there's some interesting stuff because
like both of our backpacks use reprieve right uh yes so like
and then also last year there was stuff in limeday that we don't sell
so this might be kind of tough how am i supposed to see the things i guess Dan will it'll pop up on
screen okay and then after you get it right or wrong we'll we'll show you the full picture
that it was based off of and then we'll show you the item okay you're ready for number one
first item
what product is that luke i think i'm not gonna eat this line are you actually kidding me what's
number one transparent screwdriver is that your final answer sure you only get one are you ready
to see what it is sure we have our iconic double wall vacuum sealed water bottle on both our us
and global site you will get $15 off our regular price during limeday do you see it now
sure it's so obvious i screw you see that's the outline of the bottle uh yeah i should have known
that was so obvious but okay i think there's one in your um in your sack there line us yeah
oh all right that was that was really hard that oh that was the easy one oh okay wait okay okay so
Dan you shouldn't show him the thing i think that's why i have this i think i'm supposed to show him
the the thing that's in here i'm looking i have no idea oh i think it's i actually have two water
bottles ah okay i guess they wanted me to point out that we have different sizes that's true oh sorry
i got am i still supposed to not be looking at stuff yep there we go you can just look up
it's fine i'm just holding up water bottles i just don't look at the dock i had them wrong before
now they're fixed don't don't look at the dock and you're fine i've got the text uncovered i i'm not
is my what are you doing all right second item i write it for item number two and if luke gets
this one wrong he has to get the last three right yeah all right you're ready okay here we go
it's so obvious oh my god wait okay this one's actually get a bowl this one's get a bowl yeah
this one's getting it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it looks closely at it
absolutely without opening it wait the backpack yeah i don't know um because that you can see the
weave on the backpack you can look you can you can can i look at LTT Store at the products
oh is is that allowed Dan i don't know that's not against the rules i mean i think we should
have a time limit if you're gonna do that because this is gonna take forever no that seems fair
it's gonna take forever if you do that that seems fair okay you have to close the chat though get the
chat out of here that's fine that's fine absolute pumpkin eater over here
oh could it be that
i'm gonna go with that precision screwdriver precision screwdriver yeah hold on wait for it
i'm not that confident but i'm gonna go with it let's go our precision multi-bit screwdriver
let's go we're gonna be offering a really sweet deal where you get a precision screwdriver and bit
set bundle with a free jerry rig everything knife oh cool so if you get the bundle small tools you
get the free knife let's go that's legit all right hmm number the third well LTT stores up that's
it okay you ready go for it what what okay i think this browsing the site is a bit of a hack
hey sam is it not to browse the site you can't look the site you can't look the site close the
site look at it look at it what are you kidding me what are you doing i want to make it easier
oh it doesn't make anything easier oh my goodness look at him he's staring at my soul
oh my goodness is that that hard what do you mean no no no no he's staring at my soul wow
get me the ding ah yes sorry oh that's so good jeez okay um go for it do you give up i don't
know what he can't give up he's has to guess i don't think he was in the the new swimsuit photos
but it's not going to be a standard shirt why is this why is that even his hand is that someone
else's hand is that can you zoom in on the hand i don't think this is going to help me in hands
there's no way elijah would wear out like his it also looks like a significant it doesn't look
like he's doing this oh my god it looks like it might be someone else's hand so it's a group photo
one of the things that we have yes it's on the store thanks yo lttstore.com um
sofa tux says learn your product catalog dork it's not even there
literally nothing to do with the product is in this spot okay let me just i'm gonna give you
you have to take a guess i'm gonna give you a i'm gonna give you a hint what no he has to guess
i think he's just making it smaller just what there's your hint just guess
okay there's my hint is this a real hint or are you just trolling
the task jacket all right ready oh wait do i not have oh i don't have to fit in the
i don't think you have this shirt it's a specific shirt it's a blank t-shirt
during lime day you will be able to get four of our blanks for only 60 dollars and that's the
price on both the us and canadian site four for 60 that's 15 dollars each for our blank
i didn't think you would stoop so low me to put a specific shirt not you to put a specific
it's not a specific shirt it's just a blank it was you
and a blank is a specific shirt no if i have a bunch of them yeah but there are other shirts
that you sell mm well i see what you mean okay okay okay all right all right fourth item you
need to get the next two correct yeah like that's gonna happen because you're gonna show
me are you ready how about this how about compromise what product is no no no how about
compromise compromise compromise on the next one he can browse the site for one minute now he'll be
fine okay i'm i'm actually i'm actually on your side here i appreciate the sammy's here he's got
a gun to my head we can't bend the rules this isn't my segment sammy does actually have a gun
right now it's a little terrifying fourth item i don't know how he got on the office okay well
he got them at the gun show yeah you you go to the gym even work now okay this man lifts
i think
um parties i think i can browse for two minutes two minutes yeah i you know this one two minutes
it's so red i know this one why would i know i should after you threw the lines at the tv
oh yeah that's not helpful what it's the it's fine it's perfectly helpful
is it actually orange it's on the website apparently it's on the website i guess
i i mean your two minutes is ticking so yeah my brain wants to go to screwdriver because the
three lines are in like the the cap thingy but that's on it's on the website it's on the website
what do you mean we can browse i mean we can browse but on the website it's a product that
it's a product that isn't on the website apparently
what what yeah i'll i'll get your lime ready this is this is doable this is doable this is doable
this is not on the website no but you can use the website to help i'm getting your lime ready
you're gonna get punched in the face i'm gonna be your lime ready if this isn't on the website
listen it won't make sense once you figure it out luke just when you when you jump up in rage and
jump over the tables just take your headphones off so the cable doesn't get caught and sammy please
don't get blood on the concrete it's very hard to get out no i sealed this one oh okay uh yeah
feel free to bleed wherever then it is this one is yeah this one is sealed all right what do you
want it's not on the what you guess it will help okay you're gonna have to guess you're gonna do
five seconds this is getting ridiculous
the variation of the product on the website
screwdriver all right you ready to see sure there's like no way i have to i have to reveal
in the bag Dan there's like no way it's gonna be right because the screwdriver has those three
things on it and i'm assuming that's okay wait so i didn't know it is red it's a screwdriver
but not just any screwdriver it's a custom one this is one of five exclusive limeday color ways
that you'll be able to get by purchasing a mystery screwdriver next week while saving
20 us dollars on the u.s site or 30 canadian dollars on the global site do i get it wrong
because i know you made me think that i messed up the color balance on my tv yeah what were you
talking about Dan you guys need to stop giving so many bloody hints i thought it was supposed to
be very orange the three things i'm just reading i'm just a messenger that was it yeah okay well
that the thing that really threw me off was that he said it wasn't on the website yeah okay you guys
are honestly hindering more than helping that's okay he has to get this one correct okay so the
last one i vote everybody shut up and let him play the game yeah are you ready sure okay for all the
lines that's not on the website either is it everyone's gonna shut up and let you play the game
uh i think i even know what that is but that uh can i look at the website on this one
okay yeah that wasn't the question but i don't know i don't know it's up to already the the game
was never supposed to he was supposed to like it's supposed to this has dragged out forever you guys
that's because he won't guess because he's gonna lose go on what's your what's your thought what's
my thought i thought uh but i don't know if i can say because i don't know if it's even like say it
say it uh let me type it to Linus you can say anything you want say it wan backpack
it's our brand new wan edition of the LTT backpack that's right my friends
but that doesn't
i'm so thrown up because
i thought the products were in the bag but this wasn't in the bag so i thought i was losing by
saying when back it's the same backpack you know in love but with a little more
personality we're going to be launching it next week but since it's lime day we're going to be
loading it up with something really sweet if you want to find out what we're going to be putting
in them sign up to get notified at lttstore.com slash lime you'll also be the first to be notified
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could maybe put it in the frame yeah they turned it around maybe i don't know just ideas um okay
where's the salesmanship good enough is there
oh wow that's tough yeah i watched you really try like he gave it a shot
do you want to open it up first oh i am i i swear i'm like really trying to play sending it
do you want me to do it too the contest was kind of messed up i can join you in this
if you'd like i mean that's that's your call if we want to eat a lime you can eat a lime i won't
stop i don't know if i can get in there or not
sure oh man did you swallow the peel nope i'm just still going
you know it's turning kind of nice it starts really bad but it gets pretty okay
do you need a bucket i got juice all over my laptop i got it mostly on my pants oh
it's also like all on one side which is really well i mean it depends what side it's hanging
down right that's what i was it's supposed to hang okay we did it nice job did anyone think
to have like a napkin or anything handy for this or i don't think so nice oh i mean we deserved that
yeah well i did i don't know if you did i'm blocked by a tv sorry also you mentioned how like them
helping me was not helping me it's they were actually unhelpful where is it on the website
it's not on the website the wand backpack it's not exactly i don't know what they're talking about
dude they were i didn't know that i generally was like i am losing but this is the only thing i
can think makes sense i went from being like kind of annoyed because they were giving you a bunch
of hints in this game that was supposed to be a game to kind of annoyed because they were like
sabotaging that bag it was just sammy i repeatedly like i thought screwdriver would not have been
possible because they said it wasn't on the website but i understand what he meant that variant wasn't
yeah i think i i was super confused because i didn't know that variant existed on my monitors
that's sort of orange yeah so i thought it was a color problem this monitor is extremely red
i thought it was a color problem so i thought because of that it wasn't the screwdriver because
they said it wasn't on the website so i was like what else can it possibly be no no see i knew
that everything was fine and working completely normally and that his guess was good but we just
had to sit through like four minutes of you guys misleading him i was uninformed and just get
on with it okay so buy things uh next topic fire products so that we don't have to do this again
what is this stupid show also in my defense and definitely the angle is way off but i thought
it was this but way more zoomed in for the water bottle yeah this this is not it i thought it was
it is the water bottle yeah half of it is the water bottle i get it no that's just
foodies going to neck i said he's going for i just i just thought it was like a slightly weird
photo i'm picking up what you're throwing down the germans have a word for everything on the last
wandshow we got into a discussion about whether or not LMG is a big company or a small company and
i kind of tried to describe or the way that i ultimately described it was we're a big enough
company that a credit union cannot service our business properly yeah but we're too small of
a company for the big multinational banks to like really care to care about us no no no to care about
us at all like at all anyway redditor electrium underscore reached out with a german word that
defines us and apparently it is mittel stand which according to wikipedia commonly refers to a group
of stable business enterprises that have proved successful in enduring economic change in turbulence
and is defined as a statistical category of small and medium-sized enterprises with annual revenues
up to 50 million euro and a maximum of 500 employees so here's the uh here's the here's the the the
low wikipedia it would have been nice if we linked to the actual post uh but oh yeah no here it is
here it is so the way that they defined it was a little bit differently
we made up a word for this kind of company it's um
okay yeah anyway nope never mind yep cool good definition thank you that actually does help
yeah we're a we're a mittel stand yeah is what our company is and there are complications with
that the transition is pain surprisingly very difficult and painful and i can understand why
a lot of companies might not make it like i i got to confess when people told me that the um
i forget people lay it out both in like revenue terms and in like headcount terms um but when
people told me like oh yeah this transition when you grow from like 100 to 500 employees is where
most companies die i always looked at it and went well like that's crazy why would that happen
like if you're if you're profitable and doing great up to 80 employees what you have 110 employees
and you just go bankrupt um but what we're learning as we are as we have scaled to 100
over 100 back under 100 and then now over 100 over this course of the last like three years
where we haven't really grown in headcount at all is that the communication and process challenges
associated with crossing this threshold you effectively have to rebuild your entire company
are painful but the difference is that this time you're building the airplane while flying it
whereas the first time um you were building the airplane and figuring out how to take off the
runway like it's a very very different experience and there's so many more voices
so many more vested interests it's um it's been challenging to put it lightly no i like it that
way
nothing changed
and now way more people know about oh i saw their messages don't imagine i didn't see them this will
bother even more people now i tried does it how is it better if they match i don't think so
i really don't think so
um well we'll see this is interesting the columbian navy has snagged a starlink equipped
narco sub on wednesday this week the columbian navy captured an unmanned semi submersible that
was equipped with a starlink antenna this unmanned drone vessel is believed to have been a trial run
automated cocaine trafficking no drugs were found aboard the vessel but columbian officials stated
that it had the capacity to transport as much as one and a half tons of cocaine so it was a test
run manned semi submersibles clandestinely built in the jungle have been used for decades to ferry
cocaine from columbia to central america and mexico and having recent years been found crossing the
atlantic and pacific oceans whoa columbian law calls for prison terms of up to 14 years for the
use construction marketing possession and transportation of semi submersibles that's
obviously working great unmanned subs eliminate the possibility of a captured crew cooperating with
authorities uh this is really interesting so i learned recently that um people were equipping
planes with starlink by just like putting the antenna like in the window of the front and just
pointing it up and then starlink because they're they have launched now i believe they've launched
they've launched or they're launching their um like their their corporate jet service um starlink
has apparently countered this by doing a speed check and making sure that your receiver your
receiver unit is not moving too fast because there's nothing that would prevent the service from
working so then you want because they because what they're gonna upcharge the airlines i guess
yeah yeah well because the plane version to pay more yeah so uh starlink uh what's it called not
commercial corporate corporate um airplane uh uh price here
for corporate and private jet applications starlink aviation offers hardware for a hundred
fifty thousand dollars with monthly service plans ranging from two thousand to twenty five
thousand dollars which honestly as far as my understanding goes is it's about in line oh i
thought it was cheaper uh i don't really think so for like a jumbo jet oh oh that maybe okay sure
sure i'm not talking about the installation at all no idea on that possibly um yeah no but no it's
apparently this is for business jets according to pilot mail says the ai summary so take that for
take that for what it is you gotta watch them ai summaries business unlimited ten thousand dollars
a month i think that's pretty competitive um so so yeah uh and the interesting thing about it is
from my understanding this basically just comes down to like certification and regulation because
from what i heard from my uncle nothing prevented anyone from just putting the like
ground-based starlink in the in the cockpit and just pointing it up and getting starlink service but
with all the like certification and everything uh the the prices do go up a lot because you're not
allowed to just like install you know starlink in your own you know plane like you have to be done
by a certified shop yeah not necessarily weird in a bad way but apparently they take like fire
resistance extremely seriously like to the nth degree like if you have a fire on a plane that's
apparently the worst i mean makes sense it kind of does make sense yeah it makes perfect sense to me
yeah um yeah plane to plane just open the window they are just oxygen and fuel
big containers of oxygen and big containers of fuel yeah everywhere the fire could go is really bad
yeah oh boy let's see if i can find this yeah everything everything everything plane is just
whatever it costs on land um times you know a bunch yeah now consider space oh dude the last
place not ruined by capitalism space give them time if you don't know that reference look it up
it's amazing it's amazing watching him like crack up as he says he's having such a good time
do you want to you want to play another little game sure okay
okay this is a usb outlet okay it has usbc at 15 watts and usba at 15 watts how much
do you think this module costs this is for a plane uh yes this is from mcico.com true blue power
assuming a very substantial price increase off of what this would cost a consumer
i think i'm still going to be intensely low but i'm going to say 125 bucks
oh well as low as four hundred twenty three dollars okay hold on what's like so adding usbc
because the one beside it was exactly the same but no no usbc right so adding usbc is like over
200 uh i think you mean as low as 213 dollars hold on but wait there's more okay let's say for
instance because that's just regular old like crappy usbc where it's just doing the voltages
and amperages of a usba port but it's just shaped like a usbc port huh okay how about the
appropriately named 6430 360-21 this does usbcpd oh 100 watts at five amps and then usba at 15
watts consider so the last one was 425 is that right something like that i'm going to say
1100 oh you're actually high this time oh that's actually a much lower increase than i expected
seven hundo i mean that's obviously absurd but i expected them to just go even harder dude that's
like freaking wild it's like it's like more than 10x oh actually i don't know if that's more than
10x because i was shopping for a usbpd like outlet to put in my wall the other day and they're
pretty expensive that's why i thought it was gonna be so much more i'm actually surprised the lift on
that is as low as it is wow luke's so out of touch john mesh says oh $700 that's actually a much
better deal than i expected i wonder if that's the bulk deal if you get 10 000 of them oh dude
as low as who knows amok you 100 what i don't know did that say oh no no no no no no no no no no
that's that'd be crazy that'd be crazy that's all that's all absurd because like how much would
like i'm i'm just thinking cables because you could just if you just mounted extensions
into like a uh a 3d printed little square yeah it's like 30 bucks yeah like nothing
she's wild um this is uh j richie 1984 says this is why experimental aviation is so much
less expensive i can add a usb power outlet to a vans rv7 for like 30 bucks i'm not actually
familiar with the vans rv7 so i looked it up and this is it popular two-seat single engine
low-wing home-built aircraft kit known for its sporty handling and performance
dude how is it that like i don't know how is it that i keep discovering stuff this cool that i have
never heard of so if you want you can buy a kit airplane and fly it and it's known for it's sporty
perform are you serious right now if you want some interesting info and i and i i can't explain
why i know this but it's not for me i'll put that out there first bc actually has really fantastic
laws for experimental aircraft they are allowed to be much heavier here than a lot of places in
the states meaning you can put like better engines and better wings and more fuel than you can
in the states it's a big problem in the states you you really get limited by weight really
intensely and our limit is like genuinely i think like five times higher like it's not it's not a
little bit of an increase it's very substantial and yeah they fall under experimentals i'm trying
to look up the bc x like how much are these standard kits okay hold on standard kits here we go
this means the fabrication work we do on the kit parts is less than 50 of the total required
to complete the aircraft oh that's what makes it a kit so you have to oh good lord you have to
provide the engine the prop instruments the avionics and the upholstery yeah uh okay standard
build kit that's a plane that's a plane so that you get this in the mail justin can make it that is
dude those panels don't even look bent you have to shape them yourself oh no you would um you would
fold them and rivet them to this the submarine wouldn't you yeah we do not do the small trimming
and adjusting jobs which the average home builder in the average shop can do just as well as we can
okay trim in this context i think means like like like adjust the thing so that it like flies in a
straight line that's what we mean by trimming right maybe the panels fit together i don't think
that's what that means it says we do not do the small trimming and adjusting jobs that's making
the panels fit together i think they're talking about the panels okay trimming the panels i'm
fairly certain okay sure rv kits are kind of need another garage you'll find we want to continuously
improve them the biggest improvement okay so where's where's the price trim is an active adjustment
you do in flight that's a normal thing i'm just saying i'm just saying you do it yourself that's
kit build aircraft okay so rv rv seven was the one that the person said here we go so kit kit
order form okay what what do these cost like i have no idea throw some stuff in there yeah
i can start clicking okay well i'll need one okay includes electric aileron trim okay yeah good
wing kit i'll need wings probably probably from my aircraft could make your own
oh you can get a quick build wing uh add quick build wing okay so this is basically
oh oh yeah okay so that's another like five grand four grand four four four grand oh uh fuse
a lodge kit i'm i might need a fuse a lot i need to sit somewhere yeah i received my center section
with my wing kit so i have possession possession of it already i sure i guess it comes with my
wing kit uh i don't need a quick build i'll build my fuselage okay i want to oh i want a sliding canopy
obviously sliding is so sick obviously i have finishing kit whoa okay i mean uh spinner type
um uh it's okay ship to wow seriously there you go i mean i'm less than brice well you don't have
an engine yeah i'm i'm sure i'm missing some stuff you don't have a seat that was the price today it
was actually 58 that's what you have to pay now yeah go back and look at the page the kit total
amount of paid today uh there you are deposit my deposit you still don't have an engine no
okay but still like realistically i'm up in the air for probably less than like my take in
oh yeah like what does like how fast does one of these fly like is it like rv
how is this a thing how is it how is your business making build yourself aircraft oh sorry so the
maximum takeoff weight of 50 uh 544 kilograms or 1200 pounds you can have one or two seats
and they must have a stall speed of 39 knots or less oh there are no design standards
that's for ultra light airplanes but there's like lots of other things going on oh was this
was this plane specifically on there don't get down down down down down down down down down down
down down down down down down down down down down oh here we go uh oh no no i saw the seven and i
thought we were i thought it was rv seven but it's beach 77 something but yeah like down in
down in the, the America, the, um, the weight is much lower as far as I know,
or at least in California, America gets weird about laws because their whole
state system thing. So I don't know. Okay. So the Vans aircraft RV seven, uh, apparently has a top speed of 350
kilometers an hour, which is something that is, man, that is so cool.
Okay. What engine is that with though? Cause isn't, isn't the RV seven?
Oh, that's, is that a kid or no? I think you'd probably have to have a like a rated max speed of the chassis.
Like you couldn't just put any engine you want on it and go 900 kilometers an
hour and rip the frigging thing apart, right? The AI overview seems to think it's legal in Canada.
That's crazy. Who knows what that means. This actually explains something that I have wondered about a lot.
Like, dude, Facebook marketplace is full of airplanes.
And really dude, dude, because I've told you, like I, I, I train my Facebook
marketplace algorithm to just show me the wildest stuff.
And so I started clicking on like airplanes for a bit.
There's so many aircraft on Facebook marketplace and this raises so many
questions for me. Why do all these people own aircraft?
Why do they buy and sell them on Facebook marketplace of all places?
Like I just, I couldn't wrap my brain around it. Yeah, it's totally legal in Canada.
I had no idea that the pricing for them was this accessible.
Like, sure, it's really expensive, but when you compare it to what people will
spend on like, you know, a boat or whatever, it's not that different.
Whereas I just assumed like, oh yeah, you know, a car is expensive.
A boat is more expensive and a plane is like way more expensive.
I just, I just thought they were like way more expensive.
But it's like, it's expensive.
But yeah, compared to what people might spend on their boat and all of their,
you know, um, like water skiing gear or, you know, whatever, right?
Like, sure, cool.
What are we supposed to be talking about? Why don't we do sponsors? Hold on, I found you an engine.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What am I going to, what am I going to pay for it?
It's compatible. A like-home-engine. Uh, I'm not seeing it.
Oh, a hundred grand.
Yeah. That's the most powerful engine I could find that works in that.
Oh, you could get a rebuilt one for like 55 grand. Dude, you could totally be in the air for like Taycan price.
Two hundred and fifteen horsepower. I say do it. Two hundred and ten to two hundred and fifteen horsepower.
This is not, this is not me. I'm not doing this.
You're not doing this. No, I know this stuff because of someone else, not me.
I bet, I bet, I bet Luke's getting into aviation.
No. That's that date. I'd love to. He runs a site called Floatplane and he just couldn't handle it anymore.
See, that's the problem. This wouldn't work for me because I can't land on water.
So I could put you in touch with my old neighbor who used to get crashed out of Floatplanes and rebuild them and then fly them.
And that is not a made-up anecdote. That is real.
Why do you always know a guy? You literally know a guy. I've had a very exciting life.
I've told you about him before. Yeah, I think you have.
But yeah, from what I'm sure there's some other one, but from like literally
two minutes of research, that's the most powerful engine that fits in the RV seven.
I mean, he was excited that he found a replacement plastic light cover and it
was only 80 US dollars. It's about the size of like less than your fist.
How happy would he be with 3D printing now? Because I think with these experimentals, it would not be rated for flight.
But, but I mean, these were, these are like plane planes.
Oh, yeah, we're still in the home. Maybe the RV seven is a plane plane because I was wondering, maybe you could
get like a crashed out flow plane, fix it, get it reclassified and certified
as a experimental, and then you'd have a flow plane for, you know, a couple of
hundred thousand dollars. That's still a lot of money, though.
I also wonder, and years of time to reassemble it yourself.
Yeah. So the RV seven is technically considered an experimental aircraft.
Yeah. I wonder what it would take to get something reclassified as experimental.
Oh, you just scream it. I think you'd have to substantially rebuild and fit within the requirements,
like the weight limits and stuff like that. Does it have to be built from nothing? Dealing with plane, pontoons, retrofit limits might be a little difficult.
Yeah. I don't know. Sorry, I'm just signing into Facebook to show you guys all of the airplanes.
Not that I'm not enjoying it thoroughly.
But what, what, what topics is this? Was this a merchandise? I don't know who cares.
Was it a topic? Yeah. What even is this show, Luke? It doesn't matter.
This was you talking about Starlink.
I have, I've just stopped trying to pull you back on top.
There's no point. I was just, I was just curious. We've got to do sponsors, though.
So at some point, at some point, but we got to, we got to stall. So Linus can sign into his Facebook account after having to go through.
Hangar rent prices. Yeah. Well, I mean, this guy basically, he had like five acres behind us and he
basically had a double airplane hanger on his property to rebuild these in.
How insane would it be to just take the wings off and park it at your house?
Some of them actually do have foldable wings. They fold up. Foldable, yeah.
Or you can take them off. Yeah. That's a flipped over truck.
Is that for sale? Are these Hummels doing what I think they're doing?
No, they're not.
I didn't see that at first. Is that the pool mobile from the Simpsons?
It's a truck. It's a tray. What? Oh, I thought it was a pool.
Yeah, it looked like a pool. Oh, here's a.
I want to do my. My Facebook.
Look at the Jeep. Look at the Jeep. It's just honest.
Please, what's that thousand dollar Jeep? I got to know.
Wow. Actually, you put some body kits on those Jaguar F types and they look sick.
Just saying I don't like them by default. Do you have to go get it yourself thousand kilometers?
It's flipped over delete if not okay.
Not one picture. You just have to go get it yourself.
Oh my goodness. It is really just one picture. That's amazing. That's it.
You just yeah, you just go get it. I guess dude. I told you.
I told you. This is unbelievable. Marketplace, I train my Facebook marketplace to be just the wildest.
So I would pay money for that. I wish you could import someone's like algorithm training commercials.
That would be so cool. Well, Mike, what is that?
Definitely not creepy monkey.
Fifty.
Probably collectible.
Probably not. Oh my goodness.
Also, you have like just incredibly weird things and then like really expensive cars.
Yeah, yeah. Oh man, this is great. At home business.
So it just shows like candy stuff. Here's an original series. Tricorder functional prop replica.
Because yeah, that makes sense for me to be shopping for, I guess.
Here's some stuff from Scrapyard Wars. No spoilers though.
Nope. Here's a 3D LED dance floor.
Sure. I'll take two.
What is happening? What the heck?
At least, you know, at least they put up a real price for it. Yeah. I'll give them that.
Yeah, to their credit. They did. They did do that. They did do that.
Oh, oh gee, McDonald's stuff.
I don't like that. I want to do some clown whippets.
Oh, thank you.
Do you want a nacho and cheese warmer?
Oh my goodness. Anyway, anyway. Is that just...
Oh, I thought it was ranch. Anyway, airplanes.
No, I forget. Oh, I forget what airplanes are under. Okay, so here.
Here, here, here. I'll show you. I'll show you. You wouldn't believe how many planes are on Facebook Marketplace.
Like here's just a casual Floatplane.
Dude, like people put up... Oh, Beaver's a classic. Yeah.
Yeah, buddy. Oh, yeah. It's like the first time cars were listed on eBay.
Like who's listing a $600,000 plane on Facebook Marketplace? Love me a good Beaver, you know?
That's so wild. Why would I put it... Oh my goodness, dude.
Dude, what a... No, reupholster that. What a choice.
What a choice. You can ride your Harley to the dock. I'm super into...
And then ride your Harley plane through the sky. Pontoon planes and loud motorcycles.
Oh, dude, dude. Dude, Floatplane, $160,000.
Let's go. In Maple Ridge, BC. Why do they have this?
Air. Why? Well, the thing is, the cool thing about having a Floatplane
is you just drive it on the water and then you can take off from whenever you want. I mean, in fairness, some of these are...
Thanks, Dan. Some of these are obviously like fake.
It makes it cheaper. You don't have to store it in an airport. Like, you can't call this a biplane if it goes three different ways.
Here, fixed-wing ultralight. Can I interest you in an $1,800 aircraft from a 100-mile house?
Would you get in this? No.
Is that how you do your trimming?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, need some TLC.
Just needs a tune, bro. Just needs a tune.
Oh, my God. Oh, my God. But yeah, like, dude, you could be flying an aircraft for...
Okay, hold on a second. Why is that so cheap? Nose actuator rod broke.
Attachment point to downlock, torn off. Okay, then this one needs some work.
Okay, let's find the cheapest one. The cheapest functional plane.
That just, like, is ready to fly. Beautiful, well-built, great reputation.
In USD, $65,000, you could literally pick this up in, like, 30 minutes.
And it works? Apparently. Like, is that crazy or what?
That is pretty nuts. That's, like, $65,000.
$65,000 US dollars. You are in an airplane. Now, obviously, this is, like, what I was talking about.
I don't know if I want a $65,000 airplane. No, that's fair enough. But this is, like, what I was talking to you about a while back,
with that, like, that lead on the gamer jet. Where I was, like, I guarantee you, it's way cheaper than you think.
And you were, like, nah. And I was, like, yeah, it seats $9,000,000, and it's a million dollars.
And you were, like, what? So, with this and with that...
It's very weird. The truth is, the bulk of the cost is in the operating of it.
Yeah. You got to have the hang. You got, unless you're working on it yourself,
unless you're even allowed to work on it yourself, which for the experimental ones, I guess you'd be able to.
But for, like, a commercial one, I don't know. The cost per hour of flying them is insane.
The engineering, the fuel.
But anyway, I just, I got, I got a kick out of the fact that you can get
a functioning airplane for $65,000, like, literally less than a cybertruck.
And you would look, like, way less of a tool.
You could, like, take it off off the back of a cybertruck. Dude, don't give people ideas like that.
You know they'll want it. If you drive the cybertruck fast enough down the runway.
Does the plane break through the top of the cybertruck before you get off the end?
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All right.
Yeah. What do you want to talk about?
Should we find some good news? What do we got?
Not much. Oh, we have Microsoft adding a free option to Windows 10 extended security updates program.
Yeah, Windows 10 users have a new option to receive security updates beyond the October 2025
end of life. The previously announced ESU program allows users to pay $30.
Or, and I think this is the free option, 1,000 Microsoft reward points.
No, no, that's one of the old paid options. Oh, yeah.
And that would give you an additional year of Windows 10 security updates,
making it safe to keep using, I guess. Yeah. The new third option requires users to sync their PC settings to one drive via a Microsoft account
using the Windows backup app and presumably giving up some privacy in return for updates.
Oh, this is very judging from the enrollment screenshot.
PC settings may also include installed apps and credentials.
Pretty interesting. So we've talked a fair bit.
In fact, we had a video, I think, on Techquickie, Linus Windows Free,
about how Windows is effectively, yeah, here we go.
So this Techquickie video from five years ago is like, why Windows is free now?
It's not free, but it's clear that Microsoft's efforts from the late 90s and the 2000s
to prevent people actively, like aggressively prevent people from pirating Windows,
have been discontinued for ages at this point.
You literally can go to Microsoft's website, download a Windows ISO, and install it on a
computer and just say, I don't have a product key and run Windows.
And it will, as far as I can tell, other than not letting you set some personalization options.
Big background. And you can still set a background by just right clicking an image and then setting
his desktop background. It doesn't block you? Yeah, you just can't do it in the personalization menu.
Unless that workaround has been patched or whatever. But the point is, they just clearly don't really care.
And I think this is yet another illustration that they just don't care.
Like, you could have an old Windows license that you've upgraded to Windows 10
that they would offer to upgrade you to Windows 11 if you met the hardware requirements
and now they're basically even saying, okay, forget it. Don't even bother with the hardware requirements.
You can stay on Windows 10. Just please, please, please, please, please have a Microsoft account.
Because at the end of the day, Microsoft is going the direction of basically everybody
else where it's free to use and you give up your privacy.
Harvest your data. Yeah, you give up your data in return.
So what would you do? Right? Because your choice is, Linux is not an answer.
Hold on. Hold on. Why is Linux not an answer?
Linux is not an answer because you're- Because there's whole government switching over here right now.
Because you are a kid and all your friends play a game that has kernel-level anti-cheat.
There, that's why. So what would you do? You're running Windows 10 because you like Windows 10 better and Windows 11 is bad.
I would never under any circumstances run Windows 11 because you're a gigachat like DOS Dude 1.
Okay? Your options are, run it without security updates, upgrade to Windows 11,
or sign into your Microsoft account and sync all your stuff.
Let's say those are your three options, which would you take?
Windows 11. You would just go Windows 11. And just pirate it.
Oh, interesting. And then juice customizations.
Okay, I didn't give you those options though. So you're, you play- But I'm a kid, so I have gained the option of pirating it.
You said I'm a kid. Going back to when I was a kid, that was a low bar to walk over.
Like didn't require a hop. You had to step up a little bit.
Okay, people are questioning what DOS Dude 1 is.
DOS Dude 1 is not a what? DOS Dude 1 is a man.
And we did a collab with him recently, upgrading the storage on a MacBook.
It was super cool. You guys are definitely going to want to check that out.
Okay, I mean, yeah, I think we are long overdue.
I don't want no security updates on my operating system. No, I think we're long overdue for like a de-bloating Windows episode.
Because there's- Do you remember the Windows 9 thing? I do.
That guy reached out recently. Really? Yeah. Oh, interesting.
Yeah, I'd be, I'd be down to do another like- Apparently he's still doing stuff.
De-bloat your Windows. Let me, I don't have an easy way to access the message now, but yeah.
That's okay. Dan will email you a reminder. I don't think Merch Message Dashboard is like super, super busy tonight.
I think he's good. Is that okay, Dan?
Thank you. Don't email it though. Thank you. Thank you.
That's a weird way to put it. Well, no, he just-
I want to do a poll. I want to, I want to hear from the people and I'm not giving them a custom option.
Dan, can we make a poll? So Windows 10 raw dog, Windows 10 signed in, and Windows 11.
Those are the only options. So you have to pick one of those three options if you answer the poll.
So do you have to buy Windows 11? No, because I assume that you can upgrade to it.
Let's say you can upgrade to Windows 11. Windows 10 raw dog?
Yeah. Windows 10 signed in.
Yep. And Windows 11. Okay. I want to know which one.
All right, we're hitting Floatplane with a poll. It's not Windows 10 signed in.
It's Windows 10 with your PC settings shared. Yeah, so what we talked about, like synchronizing all your crap.
I'm just saying it's more than signed in. Yep.
Okay, live. Okay, here we go. Here come the results.
Oh, I'm for crying out loud. I will find a way to do this.
Hey, look at that. Oh my god. Good software, Microsoft.
What is happening right now? We need to get power toys on that laptop for you.
Yeah, probably. Yeah, most people, we've got 70% of the vote right now on Windows 11.
Yeah, they're just like, okay, forget it, I'll do it. So I mean, this is how they eventually get you.
I mean, I remember Windows 10 raw dog for me. I suspect the Windows 10 raw dog people are like me.
You have problems. Would you actually, you'd go no security updates?
Oh yeah. Instead of going to Windows 11. And then when Windows 12 comes out, because it's the next one,
after the one that's missed, it's going to be even more unidentified.
Dude, there's no way that Windows 12 is actually good. I'm using Windows 11 on this computer and my workstation.
And maybe I don't hate it as much because when it first came out,
I didn't know how to neuter it. And now I know how to neuter it. And so now it's okay.
Are you going to access the Windows updates despite
not supposedly being able to? Is that your plan? Or are you actually just going no security updates?
My dad still uses Windows 7. Like why?
Because he doesn't like the new ones. But it doesn't matter though.
I don't like Windows 11 very much. I mean, he doesn't like Windows 10.
I keep telling him, do Windows 10. Here's my question though. Like I recently did a switch to Mac challenge.
And for the first couple of days, I hated my life. And then it just didn't matter.
Like I don't use my operating system. Windows 10 is, in my opinion, the most
it doesn't matter operating system Microsoft has made.
Sure, but like just doesn't matter at any point.
It'd be just any of them. They just, I don't know, man, they just,
they don't really matter that much. I even try new features and they just,
in my opinion, aren't very good. So then I just don't use them. So I just don't really use the Microsoft stuff
that comes from the operating system and it's fine. Like they have this new, is it on this one?
They have this panel when you open the start menu that is like you can use Microsoft link
and link your phone, except it like kind of sucks.
You know what, maybe part of my thing is that I just have my like ad block built into my brain.
I don't even notice a lot of the annoying things about Windows. That one was a major change.
It added a whole extra like, was this on Windows 10?
Windows 11. Oh, this is on Windows 11. It didn't happen to this computer though.
So like, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what to do. Why did they make the start menu worse?
I mean, but you can fix that. I mean, yeah, I mean, I learned how to fix everything.
So now it's like, okay. Yeah, but you can do that in Windows 11 and have security updates.
That's what I mean. That's what I mean, like. So then what I'm asking is,
why would you go Windows 10 raw dog? I'm surprised you would just be like,
oh, just have no security. And if there's no massive Windows 10 vulnerability,
I don't believe it, is able to be tackled by roaming the internet,
bought things, I'll just get wrecked. I'm surprised by that answer, Dan.
At work, no. At home. Good.
I let my dad use Windows 7.
I'd use Windows XP. Okay, can't you just like... If I still could.
What's the equivalent of like, window blinds these days? Like, can you just window blinds Windows 11
to Windows 7 and then have him not notice? Like, couldn't you just do that? Yeah, no, there's a functionality thing.
The split between control panel and like the new settings menu
is getting more split in Windows 11.
There's just some proclivities that I don't particularly like, but... What does your dad do with any of that stuff?
Come on. How often does your dad go into the control panel? I don't know. He browsers the Google Chrome.
Browses Google Chrome. Why does he need security updates?
Like, we don't care.
Is this really a problem for people? Like, do they care that much about security updates?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, many part of it is me being traumatized
by like Blaster back in the day. Do you remember when you couldn't so much
as install Windows XP and make it to the desktop
if you had like a network, an active network connection
before your entire computer would just be taken over by just bots that are just finding any connected PC
on the internet and infecting them? Maybe that's because...
Maybe because the pair of us like lived through that and we're just like, eh, it's fine.
We've dealt with this. Why would that be the takeaway? That wasn't fine.
You couldn't even use the computer. Yeah, I actually don't believe that happened. Because we've always been fine.
I don't know. Oh, I don't know.
This is like the X-y thing all over again.
I think we should move on. I'm going to move on. My guess was that most people that voted for that category
were people that are leaning towards or already in the Linux camp.
That makes sense. I would not expect most people to vote
for no security updates. No, but it didn't. But like 22, I think it was 22% did.
Yeah, it was quite high.
And I suspect that's people just leaning towards abandoning. You shouldn't be me.
Because there's a lot of that right now. Yeah. I've been trying to get more and more used to alternatives.
You shouldn't hate an operating system enough
to do what me and my father do. My father and I do. Yeah, like your dad should honestly just use Linux.
Yeah, he actually do builds Mint. Why is he even dual boot?
Why, why, why, why? What is, how does Windows 7 make sense here?
Some program compatibility. I mean, he could triple boot.
Or he could run a VM. Yeah, that sounds like effort. It's easier to run Windows 7.
It doesn't, to me, it sounds easier than a VM.
No, I'm moving on. Cloudflare is changing the rules of the internet.
Cloudflare has announced that is now blocking AI crawlers
by default and is introducing a new paper crawl model
in which AI services can pay content creators
to allow their content to be crawled.
Cloudflare infrastructure and services are utilized by almost a quarter of the internet.
And bots and crawling traffic can significantly increase
the costs of running websites. And recent studies have found that more than 50%
of internet traffic is AI bot driven in 2025
with projections anticipating a rise to 90%
by the end of the decade. Yeah, the internet's fake. What?
Yeah. Half? I've known this for a while. I did not know that.
I did not know it was that high. Yeah, dead internet theory stuff is like pretty real.
Like half of the internet traffic? Well, yeah, because I'm not even talking about internet traffic.
I'm talking about internet interaction right now. Internet traffic, that's not surprising to me,
literally at all. The internet interaction though,
if you spend some time on like the dumb one letter website
and you actually like actually dive into replies
and actually read stuff. It's painful. So much of it is fake.
It's painful. Crazy. Even YouTube comments these days.
Incredible amount of like back in the day, it'd be like the bed in his tank or whatever
that weird thing was. Yeah. There's a lot of spam. Yeah.
Click my PC. Stuff like that. Yeah. Lots of that.
But these days there's a ton of Bob.
Yeah. Bob's tank army. Bob's tank army. That was it. There's a ton of fake ones now.
It's weird. It's odd. Watching them get in loops of talking to each other
is entertaining too. It's like, oh, this like random tweet or whatever
has like a billion comments. And we don't know why. And then you see that there's one comment
with a reply to it. And they just keep replying to each other for like ever.
It's like, oh, OK. Cloudflare says that site publishers
will have full control over the AI blocking and the paper crawl settings
while AI services will be able to choose if they want to pay the crawling prices set
by the publishers. The feature is currently in private beta
and Cloudflare customers can apply for early access.
Our discussion question then is how do you think LMG will utilize these new features
and go? We signed up for the beta. We're not in it yet, but we signed up for the beta
just to kind of see what's going on. It's interesting. I think there are downsides to things like this.
It's not like search companies aren't going to be aware of who's turning this on.
And it's not like search companies wouldn't be able to hurt your search ability.
Not only do I think it's possible, I think it's so likely that it's close to guaranteed
that that would happen. That's my vibe check right now. I don't technically know,
but I really think that would be a thing. It would be very, very easy for them to do
in regards to impacting page rank. However, I mean, they can't derank everyone
and Cloudflare is enabling it by default.
Yeah, I think there's also like...
I think there's a lot of interesting bits. Like if you block crawlers on your website
because you're like the 3.1 millionth of a cent
that I'm going to get per crawler interaction is not worth the money.
I'd rather people just actually come to my website.
If you do that, it also opens up a really weird gambit
where people could prop up a website that just copies your stuff and then they allow crawlers
to come for a fee, whatever else. There's a lot of like, this is...
I think this is a good route to be very clear,
but this is going to start a very weird interact...
Conrad, stop. This is going to...
I don't know what he's doing. This is going to start some really weird interactions
on the internet of how things work. Now, to be clear, I do not think this AI summary...
No one ever has to click on a website again. Garbage is a good idea.
Yeah, it's not sustainable. So we need something. If this works, awesome.
But this could have unintended consequences, I guess is what you're saying. Practically everything has unintended consequences.
Anything can be gamed. Yes, and people will attempt to game this.
And I don't know, what's interesting to me, I guess, is that this might just be too little, too late.
Most of the clean training data is already out there.
Like I've heard that companies are basically guarding
they're uncontaminated by just AI contributions,
actual human-generated training data, which, man, could have really fascinating implications
for the evolution of communication. Because the way that we communicate with each other
are slaying and our grammar. It changes and evolves over time.
But if we've got these time capsules that we use to train AIs
and people are effectively using AIs to process information
and send it to each other, I do wonder if there's going to be a stagnation there.
You know how right now there's a fairly dramatic difference between written word and spoken word?
I don't know, is there? I think so. Oh, okay, sure.
You and I are not very good use cases for this, because I think we often just write how we talk.
But for a lot of people, there is an actually pretty substantial gap
between how they write and how they talk. I'm bringing up a text chat.
Okay, who's someone I talk to?
Nope, too X-rated.
Just call it Twitter.
Okay, okay, okay. So here's a...
Yeah, no, I think I basically just write how I talk. So this is to one of the writers off hours.
I said one attempt... The writer's not a good example. I said one attempt... Well, I don't know, but we were just chatting in text.
I know, but it's... You're giving an example of another person who is through their work highly incentivized
to write how they talk. I mean...
Got it. Yeah, they don't care.
So I said one attempt adds a ton of scope
at a time when we are objectively very busy. Send it away to expert and test.
Can be done in an afternoon. F*** around with the Tormach as a day shoot.
We can hash this out during work hours, though. Hope your evening is good.
Sorry for the slow reply. V busy today. So I guess I'm a little bit more point form in text,
but I don't... Yeah, pretty similar. Like, what do you mean? Like, how different are you thinking things are?
For a substantial amount of people, it's very different.
Like, they'll sometimes use different language.
Someone's saying professional communication. Yeah, but this happens in non-professional settings as well.
This is like a thing. Man, who do I talk to non-professionally?
I don't have a social life, man. I got nothing.
I see.
Okay, what are you...
Trying to not use the AI summary. At any rate, the non-contaminated stuff is basically...
Where I was going with that is the non-contaminated source data for training is pretty much
maximized now. You kind of can't get uncontaminated new data.
So I do wonder how much this is even going to slow down
the actual training of AI models.
Probably not at all. But this could maybe slow down their intake of new information.
But even then, like... Yeah, because there's extremely valuable companies
currently popping up and their entire argument is that
they have clean training data instead of junk training data.
And that's off of data that's already out there. A massive percentage of the internet has been farmed.
Yeah, I mean, it hasn't just all of it?
That's a tough thing to say, but likely. Probably.
But the one kind of saving grace is if we're going to look
at sites like HouseFresh, new products are going to come out.
Sure. So you would still need to crawl a site like HouseFresh
if you want to have up-to-date product recommendations.
So for those of you who haven't watched every WAN Show ever, HouseFresh is an air purifier...
Or LCT YouTube video. Specialist reviewer.
And we collaborated with them recently on some of the challenges that they've faced around being pressured by
air purifier manufacturers to change their reviews.
And also it's pressure that they're under financially
from the decoupling of impressions and clicks
that has taken place over the last little while where people are getting the...
They're getting an impression for HouseFresh, but they're not clicking through to see an air purifier
review because there's like an AI summary and they just don't have to.
So yeah, they wouldn't be able to get information on
new pages, but I just wonder if they'll care.
I mean, the AIs are so inaccurate anyway. And it also starts an arms race.
Yeah. We're just kicking off another crawlers versus
anti-crawler technology.
I mean, if anyone's going to keep out ahead of it at Cloudflare, I mean, if they can handle DDoS on a massive
scale the way that they do, that's a pretty dedicated bunch.
They're the right team to be in front of it. We're not sponsored by Cloudflare.
Just be secret. Have we ever done anything with them? Don't think so. Oh yeah, okay.
I mean, maybe. Yet, we'd be open to it. I'd be open to it.
I'm open to it. We've been working with them. Yeah, in some capacity or another.
Incredibly long time. Quite a long time.
Good luck, Cloudflare. We're actually rooting for you on this one. Yeah, big time.
Yeah. Big time, big time, big time.
Oh, we have another announcement. On the content side for Floatplane,
I don't know where that was supposed to transition from. Cool. You can check out my 44-minute sit-down discussion with Taryn.
Do you want to bring it up, maybe? Sure. Okay.
Yeah, cool. We talk about a lot of things, like some high-level company stuff,
like what the f**k he's been doing so far, because viewers don't really see most of what he's doing
or what he's done since starting two years ago.
We also talked about how after Yvonne met Taryn formally,
she said I have a type, which was a weird thing to hear.
It's not our most liked video, but it is our most viewed video by far,
ahead even of the Smash Champs grand opening video.
How do we know that? Do we have a view counter now? Since when?
We have a ways to... No, no, it's not there. So it's not on there?
No. Oh, it's a good like-dislike ratio, though. People seem to like it.
Okay. We have ways of getting information. Well, how do we know?
Are people... Does it just seem very viewed because everyone's archiving it
because they're worried it'll be taken down? No, no, no, no. It's...
There's... Our view counts are not accurate,
because technically everyone's view counts are guesses
and we just haven't invested literally anything in guessing accurately.
But we guess similarly all the time.
I see. So it's comparable to our own stuff.
Yeah. Oh, okay. So like we know that, you know?
But like... Yeah, the exact number that we have is not accurate.
But unless there are like extremely weird, extremely unique interactions around this one particular video...
Got it. Then it's probably accurate that it is high, you know?
Next week there will be two amazing Linus videos.
One is called I Spent 24 Hours With Linus.
When did that happen? It's apparently a fun day in the life of Linus
to see what I do on a somewhat average day.
How do I not remember this? I thought this was in Taiwan, which wouldn't be a somewhat average day.
I don't know when it was. And the last time we heard about this,
I pushed back on it because I was like, there is no way because you didn't like stay in...
Like 24 hours, it's clickbait. I mean, they could have hidden in my closet.
I wouldn't have probably noticed. Yeah, that seems to be... It's a bit of a problem, man.
Yeah, I know. That I don't think it's that.
We also have the long-awaited Linus reacts to staff
describing their first interactions with him. That's coming out Monday.
So if you ever... I'm really excited for that one.
If you ever wanted to see what Floatplane is all about, now is the best time...
I don't think so. I don't think so. Because you can get early access to deals for Lime Day
and amazing exclusives at LMG.gg.
All right. What do we got left? We got some topics to minimize.
You can donate your idle bandwidth Yeah, what is this? to help archive the internet.
To make sure that the internet never forgets.
Yes, Redditor U slash the curious bread
posted a call out on the LTT subreddit for archive team warrior.
Archive team warrior is a software set up to run inside a virtual machine
that downloads sites and uploads them for archiving.
How it works, according to the curious breads post, is that there is an IRC chat where the internet archive team
hand selects web pages with an expiration date. They set up a list for each project.
You can select the project you want to support from your end.
It downloads the pages and after each page is done,
it gets sent off to the internet archive and the copy is deleted from your end.
Lightweight, late on internet usage and big impact. That actually sounds very intelligently built.
I'm not like I shouldn't sound like I'm that surprised,
but that's smart. I like that you get to pick.
That was the big thing for me. That's really cool.
There's a link to the archive warrior virtual application page,
which we'll post in the chat. I'm dumping in the Floatplane chat right now.
I don't have the other chats open. Dan just stepped away.
Yep, way to go, Dan. Good producer. But it's wiki.archiveteam.org.
Producing P. PHP slash archiveteam underscore warrior.
Yeah, I don't know. I just thought that was pretty cool.
That is really cool. Yeah, I am a little confused
as to how it saves any bandwidth for them if I download the page and then I upload it to them.
Maybe I thought you could explain it to me.
No, I don't actually have an answer for that.
Is it just that it's easier to scrape? Is it actually the bandwidth that is saving
or is it the processing? I don't know. I don't see how it saves any processing either.
Well, it doesn't have to go to those websites and try to grab the data.
They're coaching them. But they have to get it from us.
Or it will only use your bandwidth. The only thing I can think of
is that it would be down to it being hard for them to scrape it.
Yeah, distributing it. Yeah. Yeah, so it's just distributing the crawling
and downloading of the assets. It doesn't really look in here like it says,
hey, the reason for this is to save us bandwidth.
Yeah, looks like it might be a rate limiting thing. That makes a ton of sense.
Yeah, sites often block server IPs or rate limiting. Okay, that makes sense.
I think our notes were just maybe not 100%.
Maybe a little bit confused.
Yeah, very cool. I don't know. I saw this and I was like, that seems like a neat project for people to participate in.
Here's another neat project. The US House of Representatives has passed the big beautiful bill.
Here are some rapid, rapid fire tech implications.
Tax credits for semiconductor firms that are building capacity in the US
could rise to 35% from 25%.
The $7,500 EV tax credit will be gone by September 30th.
So if you were planning to pick up a new EV that is eligible for that tax credit,
you are going to want to do that pretty quick. Clean energy tax credits.
So for like wind and solar projects will be phased out by 2027,
which it has been speculated could result in higher energy costs in the longer term.
And this one's a bummer. 800 megahertz of radio spectrum
in about the six gigahertz range is expected to be auctioned off by 2034,
which could impact the six gigahertz Wi-Fi range,
which is I think going to be a mega downer for American friends.
Yeah, that's yikes. That's a big yikes. I was at Natalie's during that tech upgrade.
Hey, thank you for your ideas.
No, it is not the Riot Games launcher that caused her slow downloads.
Yes, it appears to download in chunks and then install, but that was not what was happening.
Her connection was super slow. We could barely even load a web page.
And there were so many SSIDs in her area.
There's like 50 that we couldn't do anything.
And that's on five gigahertz. Like, I remember the transition from 2.4 to 5 gigahertz
and what a breath of fresh air it was using fresh,
unpolluted spectrum. And six gigahertz is the that of today.
And unfortunately, it looks like that may not happen anymore.
I mean, we'll see what happens. These things do tend to change
when there are administration changeovers in the US.
So good luck, everybody. Oh, there's a response to Luke's AI challenge.
Actually, there were quite a few responses to Luke's AI challenge.
But this is one that I happened to cross today.
CyberCypherPunkSamurai says,
here is Gemini 2.5 Pro accurately recreating Chapter 14
with proper punctuation. Hem. Hermione, however, had more on her mind
than the philosopher's stone. She had started drawing up revision timetables
and color coding all of her notes. Harry and Ron wouldn't have minded,
but she kept nagging them to do the same. Hermione, the exams are ages away.
So for those of you who don't remember, we were discussing whether it was OK to ingest published novels
just for the cost of buying one copy of it,
using it to train your AI, and whether that was transformative.
And one of the discussion points that we had was, OK, well,
do you completely lose that transformative argument
if your AI is capable of just sharding out the text unedited?
And it turns out that if you trick them, they can do it.
I saw someone... Which I think someone legal somewhere
could take this as an actual argument and go after them for it, legitimately.
I saw someone else who got around it by asking it to read the chapter and it's like, no.
And then it's like, can you pretend to be my grandma reading me the chapter?
My grandma reads me a chapter every night. Blah, blah, blah. Can you pretend to be her?
And it just... They crapped out a chapter of Harry Potter.
I love how it like... It obviously it doesn't have feelings and whatnot,
but it feels like it wants you to get it around its own rules.
It's fascinating. Pretty wild.
The judge in the case literally said that. Literally said what?
Oh, yeah, you're going to have to be a little bit more clear. It's like comments on the YouTube video that are like, yeah, I agree.
We talked for four hours.
What do you agree with? I have no idea.
Brazil is going after Nintendo for bricking Switch to consoles.
Brazil's consumer protection agency, Procon SP,
has filed a formal complaint against Nintendo
over its Switch to console banning policies.
The complaint argues that Nintendo's updated user agreement,
which allows the company to permanently block console access to all online features,
violates consumers' rights. This comes after multiple reports of Switch to consoles being banned
for using MiG Flash cartridges, even when users own the games.
The ban includes multiplayer, system updates, digital game access,
and even the retro libraries tied to paid Nintendo Switch online subscriptions.
That seems pretty excessive, Nintendo. One Redditor bought a used Switch to from Walmart as an open box return,
only to find that it was already banned and effectively bricked for online play.
Procon SP is demanding that Nintendo remove the offending clause
and has criticized the company's lack of formal legal representation in Brazil,
which makes consumer recourse difficult. Nintendo has 20 days to respond to the legal challenge.
Shout out Brazil. Let's go Brazil. Yeah, this seems very based.
Nice. Very cool. I'd love to see someone take up Nintendo's proprietary implementation of USB-C next.
Do you have you heard about this? I have heard about that. That's super annoying.
It's not only that they are not helping third-party accessories work with the Switch to.
They're blocking. It is that they are actively encrypting the communication
and actively preventing third-party accessories from working.
There is no technical reason why the Switch to could not use standard voltages
and could not use standard protocols.
I promise you, I'm not an engineer.
But what I can tell you is there are if Apple can do it, Nintendo can do it.
Yeah, a unique username says, and they're docs.
Apparently there is one third-party doc maker that works,
but even they came out and said, okay, yeah,
but nothing would prevent Nintendo from changing the encryption key
with a firmware update. So we're not like guaranteeing anything, but yeah, it works right now.
I don't know how they got it working. Like they must have a mole in Nintendo or something.
I have no idea.
Cool from Brazil though. The USB-C thing, I don't know the rule of the law that you use USB-C stuff,
but I feel like it violates the intention.
Certainly the spirit of the law, yes. That's what I was looking for, spirit of the law.
And hopefully that you can step in on that a little bit, because everyone using the same connector,
but not being able to actually use it because you locked things off,
defeats the whole purpose. And honestly, it actually just makes things worse in a lot of ways.
So hopefully that's not allowed to continue to be a thing. Well, and the really goofy part is on the Switch One,
it was no problem for you to just plug the Switch One into a wall wart and use it,
although apparently it could wear it out faster or something.
But then if you took that same wall wart and plugged it into a doc,
and then tried to use the Switch on that, it wouldn't work.
Can we just not that?
Seriously, yeah. Why? Like I know you got to sell $40 AC adapters, but
are the like $80 games not enough?
How much blood do you want from our stones?
No, I was thinking like, no, that's too cheap. It's a hundred something.
Yeah, I know I was converting to you.
Oh boy, this is interesting. The Supreme Court in the U.S.
has upheld a Texas law that would require ID to visit some websites.
Last Friday in a six to three vote, the Supreme Court upheld a Texas law aimed
at blocking minors from accessing online adult content,
which on the face of it sounds like a good thing.
I don't think most minors need to be seeing that kind of content.
However, like many potentially well-intentioned policies and legislation,
this one is full of holes.
And no, not all of them can be filled because we can't get to the websites to see it.
The Free Speech Coalition had challenged the Texas law due to worries about the First Amendment
being infringed upon. Justice Clarence Thomas stated he didn't believe that this restricts
adults free speech rights, saying adults have the right to access speech obscene only to minors,
but adults have no First Amendment right to avoid age verification.
Okay, even though this is now overturning decades of precedent and has the potential
to upend access to First Amendment protected speech on the internet for everyone, children
and adults alike, said Samir Jain, Vice President of Policy at the Nonprofit Center for Democracy
and Technology. Yeah, this is because back in 1996 and 2004, as well as many other times,
there were rulings that federal law at the time said it would be unconstitutional to have
restrictive measures on content filtering. Several websites that would be required to
have this age verification check are simply not running in Texas, as well as in several other
states because they don't want to be the ones responsible for holding people's private information,
like driver's licenses, passports, and whatever other ID would be used to verify the user.
See, that's the problem with this law is that... I don't want that either.
The government is not doing the work to make it manageable. They don't have a nationwide ID
program for every man, woman, and child that is properly administered and properly safeguarded
and whatever. And I'm not even advocating for that as a solution here. I'm just saying that they are
not doing the work and not putting in any kind of infrastructure that would enable these organizations
to perform the identity and age verification checks that they are demanding that they perform.
They are putting all of the liability on these private enterprises,
all of whom are going to have to create from scratch some kind of solution to collect this
information, validate it, and store it, which is insane. I'm assuming what they're hoping,
if I can try to find an argument for them right now, I'm assuming what they're hoping
is that the free market will make a stripe-like thing where the liability goes on a third-party
company that is very highly security-focused. Sure. I mean, that worked great for the credit
monitoring industry. Equifax is awesome. TransUnion too. I love them both. Dude.
What I'm kind of surprised. TransUnion's site is so fucking garbage. They had a wrong address
in my history and I went in and tried to change it. And once you try to change it,
first of all, it took me like three times on the phone with them to stop my account from just
randomly locking when I would try to get into it. And then we finally managed to get me into the
account. And then it's like a separate portal to go and register for a change. And then when I went,
I finally got an email saying that there was an update to my change request. And then when I
tried to log into it, the page would error out every time I would try to go to it. I still
don't know what happened with that, but I have never lived in Edmonton.
It's been a wild saga. Yeah. The thing that surprises me the most is that there wasn't
one of these sites already queued up by one of the people trying to push for this bill.
That's the thing that surprises me is that there isn't a solution that already at least sort of
exists. I don't think they've thought that far ahead. There's a really interesting point at the end
here. I think you're giving them too much credit. I think this is just classic. Will somebody please
think of the children? I know, but as Elijah says at the end of this topic, I swear this
prom topic comes up every month. We've talked about the Texas one in particular,
I think like three or four times. This is crazy. I don't have another solution to accomplish the
thing that they want other than just clicking yes on a website. And I don't think there is one.
I don't think so either, but that's the issue. You're supposedly anti-government
overreach and anti-regulation except when it's convenient or in this case like
inconvenient. There isn't even, there is no plan. There's no concept of a plan for how this could
possibly be implemented. And look, I'm not saying that the adult entertainment industry
is precious and should be protected at all costs at all. I'm just saying that if your argument is
that they need to do this thing and you have literally no idea how you expect them to do it,
how do you, how do you legislate that?
I like, I can't think of another example of something this stupid. And like if you're,
yeah, cause I can imagine legislating something where you don't have the answer for it. I can't
imagine that being a thing in a variety of scenarios, but in this scenario, the thing
that you're trying to tell them to do is putting serious security risks on everyone involved.
Well, yeah. So it's like you kind of know the only direction that they can go in and you know
that it's bad, which seems not good. Yeah, I got to wonder what lobbyist is pushing this.
Like who is, who is asking for this? I don't know, genuinely unsure.
Helen Lovejoy, that's the only possible thing I can think of. Who's that?
Won't somebody please think of the children? Oh, that's actually, yeah, that is actually
here. Wow, you're so informed. Am I? On the Simpsons? I'm sure, yeah. Yep. Yeah, pretty,
pretty much. I mean, I haven't seen, I haven't kind of watched any of the last probably 10 or 15
seasons, but... You and Sir Dankpods should sit down and chat about the Simpsons. There's only
eight seasons. That's when the show ended. Why? Is he just like full of Simpsons references or what?
He used to make like... Oh man, what was it even called? Simpsons Wave. Is that what it's called?
Is it the music? What is Simpsons Wave? Simpsons Wave, yeah. Like .WAVV or like what are we...
Basically come up with this? I have no idea who invented Simpsons Wave. Oh, Dankmus?
Dankmus, that was it, wasn't it? Oh, Dankpods.
Isn't Dank... That's what I said to you earlier. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought you said DMS.
No, no, no, no. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I know about
Dankpods and Loving the Simpsons or whatever. What are we looking at here? That's right. Okay.
Yep, that's a thing that exists. Oh, this is like, this is peak stuff. Don't, don't knock it till
you try it. Not I, yeah, I'm okay. Yep, that's good. This is like the good part of humanity.
If, if, if all this news in the WAN Show makes you feel bad about being alive,
any stuff like Dankmus, okay, should restore some of it. I am, I am fully unironic.
The art brain that that man has is amazing. He's great. That's good stuff. Crump with me, Linus.
Deeply uncomfortable. Apple has introduced tiered commission and tax for app developers.
In response to the EU ruling that Apple must allow app developers to use all alternate payment
solutions, Apple has made changes to the store services fee paid by app developers in the EU.
The fee is now broken into two tiers. And if you elect to link to outside payment options,
you are locked to tier one, which gets only a subset of store services. So tier one,
five percent commission on in app purchases, limited store services with the TLDR being,
no automatic updates, no search boosts, no personalized recommendations, no editorial
features, no custom product pages, no insights and analytics. At tier two, you must exclusively
use Apple's payment system, 13% commission on in app purchases, and you get the complete set of
store services. In addition, Apple is rolling out a new fee, the core technology commission,
which allows Apple to take a 5% bonus on outside purchases made through app store apps.
At the time of writing, the EU commission is yet to respond, but if you thought
Epic CEO Tim Sweeney would say something, you're right. He weighed in on ex Twitter,
saying Apple's new Digital Markets Act malicious compliance scheme is blatantly
unlawful in both Europe and the United States and makes a mockery of fair competition in digital
markets. Thanks, Tim. I feel like I always have to disclaim this. I don't agree with Mr. Tim Sweeney
on everything, but boy, do I ever agree with him on basic fucking logic when it comes to
monopolistic behavior in online marketplaces. I feel like he has been a voice of fresh air,
just kind of saying what should be obvious to everyone that the emperor has been naked for years,
and if what Microsoft was doing in the 90s and early 2000s was antitrust, this is like
uncle trust. You've got to be kidding me. Yeah, uncle trust. Yeah, like antitrust,
but like stronger. Oh, that could probably beat antitrust in an ARM wrestle. Gonna die earlier,
though. Probably. For sure. Probably. Sometimes questionable on holidays. Heart condition.
Yeah. Facebook is training meta AI with your unpublished photos.
Last week, TechCrunch reported that some Facebook users are seeing a pop up when posting to stories
asking if the user would like to opt into cloud processing. The pop up explains that by allowing
this option, Facebook will generate new ideas from your camera roll like collages, recaps,
AI resilings, or photo themes. For this feature to work, Facebook will upload media from your
camera roll to its cloud on an ongoing basis. According to the terms of service, meta will
have the right to retain and use any personal information that is shared with them. Wow,
that's pretty cool. Holy crap. How does it keep getting worse, Luke?
Billions and billions of dollars.
That's a legitimate answer. When is it enough? Like when does Mark Zuckerberg own enough of Hawaii?
Never. I genuinely don't think that has a cap. He wants all of Hawaii?
I, for people that their brain work that way, in my opinion, I think it would be just...
Like is he racist? The universe. He doesn't want Oprah to live there too?
It's a valid question. I think it's everyone else. Why does he want Hawaii to have only white people?
Specifically himself, actually Asian too. I'm sure his wife would be allowed to be there.
Why does he feel that way? I don't know. Is this just how he is? Are all lizards just racist?
If I say that, does that make me racist against lizards? They just want to be warm. Species.
They just want to be warm.
Oh, that's pretty good.
MysteryIon says you don't have to be racist to not want Oprah near you.
I actually have no idea what her controversies are, so I'm gonna stay out of that one.
I don't care.
Yeah, okay. Let's probably switch over to after dark. Maybe we got a few merge messages today.
All right, cool. Let's do that.
Oh boy. Okay, merge messages.
Do you guys just... There's... Hold on. There's 12,500 people watching live on YouTube.
Presumably there's some stragglers who still watch on Twitch for some reason.
Like five. Maybe not for long. Probably thousands more watching on Floatplane. I have to ask you this.
Honest question, okay. Do you guys tune in weekly so that you'll be there the moment my career ends?
Is that the idea? I think a lot of people used to.
That's why I arrive every week. I think there was a period of time where that was like absolutely a very significant part of it.
Yeah. So I gotta...
I don't know if that's as much of a thing anymore, but I know that was a thing.
People at the company used to watch it.
Well, now we tell them what we tell people online during the show.
But people also watch to be like, is there going to be a work to come to Monday?
Do I have to come to work to Monday? Do I have to come to work Monday?
I came across this on the subreddit recently.
Yeah, I've seen this. This was funny. Um, I had never actually rewatched the clip.
Really? I mean, dude, do I really have to like relive?
Dude, I thought it was so... I watched like so many reactions.
I thought it was so funny. I had a great time with this. This guy. This guy's face.
So they were very funny. So I watched. I had to sit through the agonizing.
It's so long. It's like, it's not actually that long.
It's like two minutes. But it feels like forever.
But it feels like a lifetime of like... Imagine how long that felt for me in the moment.
I'm ragging through my brain like, am I even right about this? Like, because there's no way he would say that.
I'm trying to like, yeah, it's like...
We were actually like the fact that you knew...
Because I don't always monitor chat. So like...
Oh, that wasn't from chat monitoring. No, no, I know. I know.
I'm just saying, I don't always monitor chat. So if you hadn't known...
Yeah. Yeah, we would have made it to the end of that episode.
And then once we stopped airing... Back was not an option.
There was no way. Yeah. There was no way. Yeah.
Just like... Yeah, it was tough. You know that I actually...
I look back at that like fairly fondly and I like watching reactions to it and stuff.
You know what does suck though? Yeah. It's people that'll recognize me in public
and be like, oh, the hard art thing!
That's like, why are you saying that so loud to me?
That's all TikTok knows this from. That's what people know me from.
All my most viewed stuff is that clip.
So like, it will genuinely... I'll be in an airport
and someone will walk up to me with hundreds of people walking by
and be like, oh, the hard art thing! Oh, that was crazy!
I'm like, wow, I really don't want this right now.
Please stop. Like it happens at conventions. It happens at airports.
Like if it's just us, sure. But it's never just us.
I didn't have my face shown.
It's rough, man. Yeah. And then like the stuff that comes after it.
Luke Hardar left Renear!
The stuff that comes after it, where they're like, oh, I can't believe you saved that,
whatever, that part is always said at a significantly lower volume than the initial bit.
You scream that for a second. Like it actually happens a lot and it's very disturbing.
I don't know when people are just going to yell hard R at me. It's the guy, it's a hard R guy.
As long as you're not in the States, you're probably okay.
Like in terms of people understanding it.
Yeah. But like in America, if I was just like hanging around
and someone referred to me like that real loud, I probably wouldn't be able to hear it.
Referred to me like that real loud, I probably wouldn't be stoked on it.
No, it's not comfortable. Yeah.
Like at all.
Yeah, I uh, yeah, it is hilarious though.
I do it like anytime anyone links me, a like somebody reacting to you or talking about it,
whatever, I love it. I thought Moise, Charlie's Moise criticals.
His was hilarious. Highlight of my career. Yeah, yeah. Did you ever watch that one?
I got to Mike Wachowski it. Just tiny little, tiny little postcard of my head.
It's great. Let me see if I can find it. Can't be that. Yeah.
Lightest tech tips almost ruined his career. He was like hours.
It was really fast. He was really fast. I mean, he just normally is really fast.
Oh yeah. But yeah, this one was so funny.
He talks about how he was, you should go watch it if you're interested, but he talks about how he was watching
and he's been apparently watching for a long time, like just the channel and he was just like,
so they're just like, oh no, it's all over.
I haven't watched it forever, but his, his recount of this was genuinely hilarious.
It was also fun to hear him say that because I, I first saw his channel
when I was in university. So like UVic University, like,
so that's kind of a cool crossover thing. But yeah, it's very, very funny.
Anyways, we're still here.
For now.
Dorkier people have tried to cancel us.
He didn't, he didn't try to cancel us. No, no, I know.
Oh man. beer, but you're going to fall down the reaction rabbit hole.
It's pretty funny. It's yeah, it's pretty good.
All right. Hey, Dan.
Yeah. Hit me. Okay.
Hello, Dinah's a Duke and land. I just got into hockey recently
and I know you nice Linus had made a joke
about being a fan of the Oilers before, but what are your favorite teams?
Let's go Kraken for me. To me, picking my favorite hockey team
is like picking my favorite corporation because they literally.
That's what they are. They literally like very literally
our corporations. So you're just like, when you,
when you buy the merchandise, you are supporting,
you know, a lot of the really positive things that sports teams do bring to their communities.
They bring people together. They often contribute to their communities
charitably like Canuck Place here in Vancouver
does a lot of really great work. You are contributing to the livelihoods
of not just the players that play on the team, but also the the farm system that filters up
to the big league teams. There's a there's a lot of you're contributing
to the businesses that rely on, you know,
people leaving the stadium after the game to go get dinner or drinks or whatever it is.
There's a lot of really positive things about sports ball.
But you are also funneling money into the pockets
of multi gazillionaire owners.
And you're doing that at a greater rate
than you are probably any of the other things.
And so for me, I really enjoy the sport.
I am a fan of hockey. I love the tension.
I love the incredible talent of just amazing,
amazing players. I love the speed of the game, the intensity.
I can appreciate the talent and the hard work
and dedication that goes into being so, so very good at it.
But I have a real hard time being that invested in a team.
So for me, a big part of the joy of watching hockey
is watching, you know, with someone who's really passionate about someone.
So I'm at a point now where I can kind of cheer for whatever team.
So I just get behind whatever, whoever David Goche wants to win.
It was genuinely more fun watching the finals because he was there.
Oh, yeah. David's so passionate. And he's very well informed, not just about the game itself,
but like all the players and their, their like history
and like, you know, whether, whether they're, you know,
dirty players or whether they're people that we can feel good about cheering for.
Yeah, hearing him like ranch about that one guy was, was, I don't remember his name, but it was, it was cool.
I, yeah, I have no interest in watching on my own. I absolutely, I don't generally like TV shows.
I love Shorzy.
And that's like about a hockey team.
So that's cool. I, I've been considering trying to like,
recruit a couple of people to also do this with me
because I'm not interested in just doing it by myself, but the like kind of local hockey team
trying to get season tickets for that some year and like actually trying to go to every game,
I think could be kind of fun by local hockey team.
I do not mean the Canucks.
Yeah. I also, I really like, you know, interesting storylines.
Like I was, I was rooting for the Oilers
because I don't know they're the Canadian team or something
last year. And, but I was also pretty happy to see Paul Maurice
lift the cup. This was the very unfortunate record that he had last year
until he won. He had the most wins of an NHL coach without having a cup.
Just like, you could be like the greatest coach that never actually lifted.
The winningest without championship coach
is not the thing that you want to go down for. No, it really isn't.
So I, you know, felt pretty good for, you know, for him for finally getting there.
And this year, I just, I really, you know, you saw all the passion from, you know,
dry saddle and McDavid. I really wanted to see them lift it. They couldn't get it done.
Maybe next year we'll have to see how the off season goes.
Yeah. I love the game. Don't love the, the corporateness of it.
I stopped following super hard.
Back in the, I forget which lockout there was, there was a lockout and it was basically
like I was just, as a fan, I was just kind of tired
of like millionaires versus billionaires. This, this crashed out a lot of people
that I know from watching. And I just didn't care who was right anymore at that point.
Yep. I was just not interested anymore. Was it 2011?
I don't remember exactly, but I know, I used to know quite a few people that would watch
and like almost all of them stopped watching after that, to be honest.
Just 2012, 2013 was the, was the lockout.
It canceled many of the games of the 2012 season, including the All-Star game and shortened
the regular season to just 48 games. What was that tournament they did this year?
That was incredible. Okay. That was like peak sports. New answer, the four nations face off.
Yeah. Whoa, dude. That was like, that was, it's amazing how much harder
the players play with their country's flag on their chest
versus some corporate logo. And it really shows us what we're missing.
By having hockey as this like corporate behemoth,
rather than as like an international.
The four nations tournament, even if you're not into hockey at all, was a fantastic watch.
It's like the best hockey you can watch. And every player was going for it every time.
Like, wow. It was kind of crazy. That was, that was fascinating.
That was my favorite hockey thing that's happened in like maybe ever.
Yeah. I'd love to see them bring that back. I don't know if they're committed for next year,
but I think seeing the success of the format, they like it.
I'm just, I'm just worried there's going to be like too many injuries or something and they're going to shut it down.
Right. I know that I think they're not doing it next year because it's an Olympic year, isn't it?
I think it's a winter Olympic year. That would kind of make sense, but if they did it on non Olympic years, that would be cool.
I'd be super into that. Yeah. Four nations face off was amazing.
Okay. Okay. Let's see what else we got next.
Hello from Tasmania, Australia. Wow. Linus, as you get older, do you expect your viewer demographics
to age with you? Do you worry about young newbies in the tech field
shunning you in your 40s? It's something that I've thought about a fair bit actually.
I mean, I think that I've talked extensively about what I call the curve, which is kind of a natural fizzle out of
not just like online, you know, internet famous people,
but pretty much anyone with cultural relevance.
You can't keep it forever. And depending on what kind of a space you're in
or whether you're a man or a woman
or what kind of role people can imagine you in,
you think about... How about some movie stars? Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely. Like you get kind of typecast. So if I'm typecast as like, you know, the young geeky tech guy
and then I grow out of it and I'm like an old guy
that still talks like this, that probably won't work for people.
Formats change. Something that I have not really had a,
you know, a strong presence in is short form content.
There's a whole tech talk that occasionally, you know, clips of me will end up on or whatever else.
We have some of our own content that we upload there, but I wouldn't say that we're a dominant force
by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to short form.
You know, everything changes. Nothing ever stays the same. And aging out of this career has absolutely been something
that I've thought about a lot. But what we're also seeing is that while I think
the audience is aging up with me a fair bit,
it's not as bad as I kind of always assumed
that it was going to be. We're still like heavily skewed in the 18 to 24,
25 to 34 and 35 to 44 ranges,
which from an advertising standpoint is like ideal.
Young men with disposable income is pretty much your,
like optimal demographic target.
And while we don't have one of the most sustainable verticals necessarily,
like financial advice, for instance, has like crazy CPMs and stuff like that.
There's a tech is really not that great for verticals.
So we don't have that going for us. Like automotive CPMs are apparently much higher.
What we do have is a really stable, oh, go ahead.
They talk about that. There's a big time has a video on like,
it's been one year since we left doughnut. What's it like?
Yeah. And they actually like, it's a very much more open video
than I think most people would make. And they show one of their dashboards at one point
and show like their kind of CPMs and they explain how it works and they explain how like YouTube takes
their cut and all this kind of stuff. And it's really cool actually. It's a good video.
I would say there is a bit of a shift occurring.
So we are 41.4% 25 to 34, 20% 35 to 44, and 24.5% 18 to 24.
So that is all that remains is like 10% outside of those ranges.
But I do think that Google's doing a better job of filtering out like garbage data.
So I suspect it's always been a little closer to that. And we are aging up a little bit into 25 to 34.
But I'd say given I'm going to be 39 pretty soon,
if we're still managing to speak to 65% and 18 to 34 audience,
we're actually still doing a pretty okay job. And given that we still have 30% of our audience, 35 and up,
we also aren't completely losing the more mature audience either.
I think more of that is probably not related to you.
And I think more of that is probably related to our format
because we don't cater heavily to short form. We do cater to short form.
Sammy does a great job, but we don't cater. Our primary content is long form, which is aging up.
Yeah, that's true. And I think there's just that our focus is computer hardware,
which I would argue is aging up as well. I don't necessarily think it's super related to you personally.
And there's like socioeconomic factors that are contributing to this.
It is harder for a 17-year-old to buy a brand new gaming computer today
than it was when I was a kid. Not just in terms of raw dollars,
like in terms of purchasing power and typical disposable income,
it's much more difficult. So I can totally understand why a lot more younger people
would gravitate towards console gaming, for instance.
Okay, up next.
Finished all medical training. Now leaving the incredible friends I went through hell with
over the past five years, and it sucks. What's the hardest goodbye you've had to say,
and how did you handle it? Ooh, hardest goodbye.
We're not talking deaths, right? Oh, I think. I don't think so.
Oh, really? No, they left school.
I think that's probably a little bit too... And they're all going their own ways. It's a little too far.
Man, I don't know if I've... I don't know about hardest goodbyes.
I've had a few moderately difficult goodbyes.
Like when I did my six-year exchange to Quebec,
not only was I saying goodbye to all of the people
who effectively taught me French, and I spent every day with while I was there
as a summer camp counselor. But I literally, I think the terms of the exchange,
like there was no personal information to be exchanged or something,
like I was literally saying goodbye forever.
So that was kind of weird. It's an old school problem.
Like I hadn't really encountered that before.
I don't think I had a super strong attachment to anyone in high school.
Anyone that I didn't maintain an attachment with.
Yeah, it wasn't really like goodbye. It was more just fade away.
That's one of the issues I'm having is a lot of the situations that I have left.
Like what about your teams?
Like you went to Provincials for like football
and hockey and stuff. Was there ever a goodbye moment with your teams
that you were like, I'm never going to see you guys again? It was less, in my opinion, those teams
because the team you'd go play with for Provincials is not the team that you would naturally, I think,
is not the team that you would play with throughout the season.
Because they would take an all-star team from all the different teams in BC.
For ball hockey, it's how it worked. Interesting. And then you'd go travel and play wherever.
So like that group, I was never usually like that tight knit with that group.
It was more the team throughout the season. And the team throughout the season even,
a lot of times you'd see the same players kind of year after year.
So it's like a slow roll. Yeah, what did really, really, really suck
was the very last year. Because you turn whatever.
And then you're not eligible. 18 or whatever it is. And you can't play on those sports teams anymore.
And the jump to adult teams, a lot of them don't exist.
Or the vibe is like completely different.
Yeah, that makes sense. Football.
Oh, yeah. Adults are not going to want to get injured.
No. Turns out people do play rugby. I didn't know about that until like way later.
But yeah, football, not so much of a thing. There's like one team, if I remember correctly,
but they were super serious. And they really kind of wanted to be...
This is extremely old information. It could be wrong even from back then.
But they wanted to be kind of like the house team for the Lions.
Like they were like trying to make it. They weren't just playing for fun.
Right. Seriously playing for fun. Like I like, obviously I'm going to give it,
but like I'm also not trying to be a professional football player.
So like there's a difference. Between trying as hard as you can
and trying to be a professional football player. There is a difference.
So like certain sports, they just didn't have teams.
Other sports, the vibe was completely different. Like I would still like to practice.
Right. Most adult teams don't practice.
So you want the like football equivalent of like a badminton club.
Like we're running where you can go and you can do training. Yeah, I think so. And you can like play and compete
in like ladder games or whatever. Dude, even if it was just the practice,
I would love that. Football practice was sick.
Pushing bags around and stuff was really fun.
And there's even like, I've been looking into getting into ice hockey.
We couldn't do ice hockey when I was a kid. Equipment's too expensive.
Thanks. I do pretty well now. So I could get some hockey equipment
if I wanted some hockey equipment. But like I can't skate at all.
Yeah. Like literally at all. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty sad.
Like it's a problem. Like I can't skate and like your trash.
So like I can't just go join a team.
I mean, David offered to kind of hold our hands next year.
I want to do that. I'm kind of down. I'm totally down.
Okay. Should we do it? Yeah. Okay.
Okay. All right. We're doing it next season. So David's got to recover.
I don't think you guys have seen any content yet, but his wing is pretty busted right now.
Yeah. Which is not a good sign.
But he's also a unit. He's playing. He can probably take some damage.
He's playing a league above what he. So apparently he can kind of,
he's allowed to play in a lower league. If he's kind of like chaperoning us
and we suck kind of thing. And he doesn't like score too many goals.
And stuff. So he offered to come in at the bottom.
Yeah. Like I was good at ball hockey and 20 years ago.
I'm a great rollerblader. Oh dude. I was really good at rollerblading.
Terrible ice skater. When I was 12. Yeah. I have not done that ever since.
You know those the crosswalk bars?
No. You don't. Can I find any image of this? Okay. In the meantime, I wanted to address something real quick.
Unique username asks, how do you mean you couldn't get back in touch?
Like literally forbidden from exchanging contact deals? I was a minor.
So I think it was like a thing. And then there was one other thing
that I was going to answer. And I forget what it was.
Oh yeah. The hardest goodbyes. Probably the hardest ones for me were employee employment
terminations here. So like some of the OGs.
And when I say termination, I don't mean fired. I'm not saying if they quit or were fired. That's none of your business.
But just like people that,
because there's some that like, you know, I'm still in touch with and like,
you know, it's chill. Like Taryn and I tech, not my boss Taryn, the other Taryn,
we text once in a while, like Brandon came to movie night the other week.
Like there's people that I'm still in touch with. But and we do our best to kind of part on good terms,
but breakups are always complicated and emotional.
And sometimes, you know, they're not going to be on good terms. So those goodbyes can be really hard
because these are again, people that you worked with for a long time,
a lot. And sometimes very intensely, there's a lot of bonding that takes place.
It's really good. I can't find an image.
So I have come up with a terrible way.
You really truly have.
If the goal was terrible, you did it.
And do you step in them like a cross?
There's like one here and there's like one here.
And it's a crosswalk. It's not a crosswalk. I said the wrong term. It's like in suburbia.
It's like a trail between houses or whatever. Like a pathway.
That's a pretty good picture of those. Like the vehicle blocker thing.
That's a really good path. Good job. Yeah. Walking path, not crosswalk.
I just said the wrong word. We're going to put it on the fridge.
Gold star. That's a pretty, yeah.
Okay. So those bars, you know, there's like the middle bar and then the high bar.
And then they, so when I used to rollerblade all the time,
I would deliver newspapers. Speed was of the essence.
And when I was rollerblading, but not delivering newspapers,
or if I like had a few to deliver through one of those walkways.
So I'd like leave my big thing of newspapers and just go with a little bit and try to go really fast.
I wouldn't want to weave around those because they would slow me down. So I came up with a way that I could, if I jumped,
I could get the middle of my four wheels.
I could lodge it on the bar
and then lift myself up a little bit and get the middle of my other foot's four wheels
on the top bar and toss myself over and just like vault them.
Bloody hell. You shouldn't do that. So I did that every week for years.
And it was awesome. Don't try it again. My brother and I were both like, oh no, dude, I might die.
My brother and I were both very good.
Yeah, it was awesome. And then I haven't done that genuinely since I was like a very early teenager.
Good. So if I tried, I have a feeling if I tried to stop now,
I would biff super hard. I literally can't find a picture of that.
Yeah, why? Like, why? Is that just a local thing? Like, is that not a thing?
I don't know. Okay. Well, anyway. I'm sure there's a proper term for it.
All right, Dan. Dan.
You are not there at the time. Please don't answer this for Luke and Linus.
Okay. If the company was now still as small as it was five or six years ago,
do you think people would have better opinions of you? That's a good question.
Five or six years ago, we were a lot smaller.
I think it'd go a little bit of both ways. I think there's a certain amount of inherent.
I think there's, and it depends on the person. Like, some people will respect someone more,
the bigger their businesses or like whatever,
regardless of how good of a person they are. Like, you look at the way we hold some of Steve Jobs in super high regard.
Like, the guy's personal life was a dumpster fire.
Like, he was such an asshole. Like, you know, and nobody even disputes it.
Like, it's not like it's, it's not like people are like, no,
he didn't completely like mistreat his partner and child.
It's like, yeah, but Apple.
He did amazing things. Yeah. Like, it's like, it's this sort of bizarre issue that I've talked about in the past,
but I think we're doing a really poor job of choosing our male role models. It's kind of what I think it boils down to.
I think we sort of always have. Fair enough. I mean, we call him Alexander the Great.
And he literally, I don't know if he came up with decimating.
But he certainly did a fair bit of it. Yeah.
Anywho.
But on the flip side, I think there's people that inherently feel worse about someone,
the more wealth they accumulate, which I can also see the perspective of.
Especially now as we're hitting like quite a peak of wealth disparity.
Yes. And we're ramping up into an unaffordability crisis that is impacting almost literally
everyone like on earth.
With that said, hey, my son lives there. Have you?
Sorry. Tenet. Have you been? Have you been following what's been going on with property?
I sent you an article today. You do. I have not. Oh, yeah.
You. Well, I mean a little bit, but not enough. You should. You should read it.
Let me let me put it. I've been a little busy the last few weeks. Let me put it this way.
The crash that I've been rooting for for some time that I think will help significantly
alleviate some of the pressure that people in the Vancouver area have been feeling.
We appear to be on the precipice like we're already over the we're already over here.
And it seems like it seems like the trajectory is this way.
It makes me so excited. People keep saying this argument to me and I don't have anything substantial to counter
it with, but they're like, oh, yeah, everybody's just waiting.
And then like when the market drops like a couple percent, which is an enormous amount
in the housing market, they're just all going to rush and buy.
And my my constant gut feeling is like, who do corporations?
Who are these people? They're going to buy up all the cheap housing because there's a demographic shift happening
at the same time. Like, dude, there's so many businesses for sale on Facebook.
Look, I buy one with a jet two for one.
Your Facebook marketplace is I really, really, oh, it'll never happen.
But it'll be so wonderful. Like if I could just copy your algorithm and put it in mine, because I would just.
I want that as its own website. Yeah, Linus's Facebook marketplace is a website I would go to.
I know I didn't speak directly to the mic. You can't hear that. But like, man, you see businesses, not not haunted monkey, two million dollar jet,
just an entire business. Do you want to buy a Kroger for $26,000?
She's a nacho heater.
Like it's actually amazing.
Cursed Gatorade. So there's a lot of businesses.
OK, for sale on Facebook, because boomers are retiring.
And there's like literally no one to buy them. So they're cheap. Right.
So people are able to buy these things for like one X EBITDA.
And like, if they have some startup capital, which is a real challenge,
because they haven't had an opportunity in their life. Make any money so they like have to inherit it.
Yeah, to build up a nest egg or creditworthiness. But you could just borrow against your house.
Oh, no, wait. Wait, no, that's like real though.
Yeah, that's how a lot of it gets started, right? So it's going to take some time.
But I think we are. And the problem is that heading into this is going to be really painful in other ways.
Like it's going to be a boon to people who are who have managed to save.
And we're just waiting for things to get ever so slightly more affordable.
But it could also be deeply problematic for people who are a little bit lower
on the social ladder rungs and have not managed to accumulate the down payment that they need.
And whose employment could be impacted by the economic hardship that's going to take place.
And the like everything's, oh, why is everyone show bad news when show.
It's almost like it's a reflection of the world.
Oh, no way. That's worse. Irish Luck asks, what is EBITDA?
EBITDA, hold on. It's a really fun word that doesn't seem to mean anything on the stock market.
It stands for earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization.
It basically tells you how much money a company makes excluding any effects of financing taxes
and non-cash accounting practices. So it's like theoretically a no bullshit, like how profitable is this business?
Theoretically. Big theoretically.
But there's always creative accounting.
Yep. Hit me, Dan. Hi, Linux seabass.
Do you feel burnt out due to the increased workload as chief vision officer
compared to the time that you were thinking of retiring? Do you feel more tired this time?
Well, I never get younger, which it turns out is a challenge
because we hit our biological peak at like, what is it, like 23 to 27 or something like that?
So everything's downhill. Every day, my reflexes are slower.
Oh, hi there. You know, like every day I'm dumber, every day my peak physical condition erodes a little bit.
So I never feel more energized than before.
However, I wouldn't say that my workload as CVO is increased is different.
I was trying to cut back to four days a week for a long time.
I never actually really got that day off. Actually, I shouldn't say never.
I think it happened somewhere between three and five times. And then theoretically, I was going to go to filming like three days a week,
starting at the beginning of this June. But in practice, I've actually just started telling people I'm officially back to full time now
because I mean, the truth is we've been having some very challenging growth pains recently.
And I don't mean this as a knock against anyone in particular.
What I mean is that it's just very difficult scaling a company from
what's the German word again, Mittelstadt? Yeah, something like that.
Yeah, the good one. Mittelstand, very difficult scaling a company from Mittelstand to
even just being a sustainable Mittelstand actually, even if we weren't trying to 10x,
which I don't even think we are trying to do.
I'd kind of rather not. Yeah, people don't want to stick around for stagnation, right?
And staying Mittelstand forever might appeal to you or me or someone,
but it might not appeal to maybe Dan doesn't like that.
Maybe that doesn't work for his career growth progression.
I'd still ride the bus, but just like I applied some amount of resistance to us
becoming the size we are now, I would apply a similar amount of resistance to us 10xing.
500 would be difficult enough.
Yeah, 1,000. I would hope when I was talking 10x, I was talking revenue,
I would hope we could 10x revenue without 10xing. Oh, I thought you were talking headcount because we were talking about the difficulties.
Oh, God, no, I don't know. 10x probably be 200, I would say.
200 to 20. You could probably do that level of revenue.
Depends. 10x revenue, dude, let's go. Let's go.
Let's go. No, no, no. Yeah, 10x revenue we might be able to do if we've really scaled our activities in LTT Store
and did way more marketing. So we just go for maximum top-line revenue, knowing that the profitability is going to drop
like a rock, then yeah, something like that could work.
Jurisal says, imagine building an air table for 1,000 people.
Yeah. I read that and it gave me short-term trauma.
I'm not even doing it. It's going to be identical.
There's like no change.
The complexity is in how many types of jobs. That's a big problem here.
As much as a whole. And it's 100 jobs. It's not 100 people.
200 people would still be about the same quantity of jobs. Unless we keep doing more and more things, which is what this company does.
So yeah, we already did the hard part. We already did the hard part. Linus coin.
We'll have a system integrator. Now we're going to have a... Now it's just scope creep and so we've already done the hard part, so we're fine.
Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, because I was going to say, no, now it's 1,000 jobs.
I might need another couple months of vacation.
By the way, this is the best example I can do.
Nice. Is that all the zoom you got? Basically.
There we go. Yeah, just like that. There you go. It won't keep it. Perfect.
Yeah, that's what he's talking about. Yeah. Yeah.
There you go. I tried every search term I could think of.
And couldn't find an actual example of it in a walkway like that.
I could find just the bars. I found that. But I've seen them everywhere.
They are. Oh, does somebody have a link?
Close. That's close. That's close. It's not perfect. That's close.
Yeah. No, the one Luke showed is the one that we have all over the place here.
Yeah. The cyclist ender says curious bread.
Yeah. There's some rough videos. There are actually.
Have you seen them? No. Yeah. I don't need to see that. Yeah.
I mean, you're not supposed to be riding your bike there.
It's just to slow down. It's it means slow down a lot.
It means walk your bike. The rough videos are usually from where it didn't have them and then they put them in.
Because everybody rides looking at the ground.
Well, it's a lot of it's like coming down a hill or something.
That's bad. Should have put a ramp. And if it's like really gloomy out and raining and they're also gray.
And like the ones that I showed had like little stripes at the top. Most of them don't.
I have never seen them with any kind of indication that there is something that's going to hurt you.
That was unique about this one. Usually they're just gray metal. So like in certain conditions, they're not the easiest thing to see.
And if you're traveling really fast, you can whack them pretty hard.
I never have, but I know from video experience,
look up staggered barriers. I did. Okay, last one.
Last one I got for you. Hey, Linus, Luke and Dan. Wow, somebody actually used normal words for a change.
Still awake here in London enjoying the show.
I am brainstorming an app idea that I want to build.
And I was wondering back at the beginning of Flo Plane, how did you plan it out?
That was my reaction when I read this too. Ah, yes, plan.
So Jake and I had a semblance of a plan and then we talked about it somewhere.
Concept of a plan, they say. Yeah, we had the idea of having a plan and we talked about it somewhere.
I don't remember where that was. It was in a video or a WAN Show or something.
Nice. And then there was a thread made on the forum of people talking about it.
And AJ, who still works here, thank goodness,
responded being like, neat plan, but you could do it this way.
And it was like this really long write up of like how we should actually do it.
And then we brought him on and did that.
Nice, nice.
And then we're like, wow, that was one of the worst times in history to make a video platform.
So a lot of it has changed since then. But AJ's plan for that time was good.
Nice. It's just with hindsight, it's just like, wow, those weren't bad ideas.
But, nice, rough.
We'll see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel.
Bye.
Oh, lemon.
No, put the price up.