1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,940 All right Anthony we have a task to get done here. Okay as noted retro game 2 00:00:06,940 --> 00:00:11,940 enthusiast I guess this one's gonna be a little bit heavy on the retro for me huh. 3 00:00:11,940 --> 00:00:18,100 Well I mean I've got mixed feelings about the Atari 2600. This thing is an 4 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:23,700 important console but it also caused the video game crash because bad games and 5 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:29,460 I mean I don't have any nostalgia for it so I'm just gonna put it down here. I know 6 00:00:29,460 --> 00:00:32,580 that's gonna rub some people the wrong way. Oh man so you're putting in F tier 7 00:00:32,580 --> 00:00:37,500 then. Well maybe not F tier. Okay. It's better than the Wii U was. Let's let's 8 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:42,940 throw the Wii U and F tier because Nintendo tried but not very hard. The 9 00:00:42,940 --> 00:00:48,180 Atari 2600 it's gonna go there. It's an important console but I don't like it 10 00:00:48,180 --> 00:00:55,500 very much. NES also an important console in the North American region. It is 11 00:00:55,500 --> 00:01:02,400 credited with rekindling the gaming market. I'm gonna put it in A. Oh the 12 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,660 reason I'm gonna put it in A is I didn't really have an NES until like way 13 00:01:07,660 --> 00:01:14,780 later but also like I feel like it's overrated. I do feel like the NES is 14 00:01:14,780 --> 00:01:19,740 overrated a little bit because the Japanese version of it the Famicom is 15 00:01:19,740 --> 00:01:24,220 actually a lot better. You have expansion chips and stuff like that which you just 16 00:01:24,260 --> 00:01:29,380 can't get with well outside of the MFCs but you can't get like expansion audio 17 00:01:29,380 --> 00:01:34,740 or anything like that on the North American NES. Super NES though I'll put 18 00:01:34,740 --> 00:01:42,100 in S tier. That's a console that I didn't really have growing up either but it 19 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:49,300 also is a very important console and yeah its library is legendary. A lot of big 20 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:53,500 name titles came out on that for the first time. What's your favorite? Oh man 21 00:01:53,500 --> 00:01:59,340 favorite... I don't know. I think my favorite SNES game was probably 22 00:01:59,340 --> 00:02:04,660 Seiken Densetsu 3 which was recently re-released and finally translated in 23 00:02:04,660 --> 00:02:10,300 the West as was it Trials of Mana? Yeah I think so. Master System is the console 24 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:19,980 that I grew up with surprisingly enough. However as good as it is I recognize 25 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:24,420 that it has its faults and the game library isn't super strong. Now there 26 00:02:24,420 --> 00:02:27,660 are some really good games on there but it's not super strong. I'm gonna put it 27 00:02:27,660 --> 00:02:32,940 in B. I think it deserves more credit than people give it but it's it's 28 00:02:32,940 --> 00:02:39,100 deservedly failed against the NES. That being said Nintendo had some hand in 29 00:02:39,100 --> 00:02:43,340 that. It's just a flow plane exclusive I'm not getting into that. Sega Genesis 30 00:02:44,300 --> 00:02:52,340 that I'm gonna put up next to the SNES. These two butted heads and they both 31 00:02:52,340 --> 00:02:57,700 have amazing libraries depending on what kind of games you want to play. So yeah 32 00:02:57,700 --> 00:03:03,420 I mean Sega Genesis I again grew up with that and yeah there's a lot of games 33 00:03:03,420 --> 00:03:08,700 that I feel are highly rated for good reason and underrated for no reason. 34 00:03:09,060 --> 00:03:14,340 Also there's a version of Duke Nukem 3D on it. Best game? Best game? My favorite 35 00:03:14,340 --> 00:03:19,300 game is Fantasy Star 4. It's the last of the Fantasy Star series before they did 36 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:25,780 the online thing. Shining Force 2 is also really good. Thunder Force 4 is 37 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:28,980 really good. I'm not sure what the best rated game would be. I want to say like 38 00:03:28,980 --> 00:03:33,380 Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Still a lot of consoles left here. Still a lot of consoles. Oh yeah. 39 00:03:33,420 --> 00:03:41,100 N64. Let's go with this. I'm gonna throw this in the B tier and I'll tell you why. 40 00:03:41,100 --> 00:03:48,780 N64 is a console that has a lot of great games but let's just say that it's rare 41 00:03:48,780 --> 00:03:53,300 for third-party titles to come out on it that are any good. The only people who 42 00:03:53,300 --> 00:03:57,660 put out third-party titles that were any good were rare. Factor 5 did a 43 00:03:57,660 --> 00:04:01,060 couple of things with the Star Wars series but yeah the N64 had kind of a 44 00:04:01,100 --> 00:04:06,420 limited library because of Nintendo's insistence on cartridges over CDs. 45 00:04:06,420 --> 00:04:11,180 Speaking of which, the PS1. This is a console that I didn't have a huge amount 46 00:04:11,180 --> 00:04:17,980 of experience with when I was a kid but I'm gonna throw that next to the NES. Again 47 00:04:17,980 --> 00:04:23,700 a lot of big titles came out on that. In fact I probably should put it in S tier 48 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:26,900 but I don't have as much nostalgia for it than does I have for the other ones. 49 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:32,060 PS2 though. I feel like this is when gaming really hit its stride. PS1 was kind of the 50 00:04:32,060 --> 00:04:36,980 ramp up but the PS2 is when things kind of really took off like a lot of major 51 00:04:36,980 --> 00:04:42,340 franchises became big franchises on the PS2. So I'm gonna throw this up in S tier 52 00:04:42,340 --> 00:04:47,180 just because. Also one of the best-selling of all time. It is one of the 53 00:04:47,180 --> 00:04:53,980 best-selling of all time yeah. I'm not sure if it's still the best-selling of all time. I feel like the Switch surpassed it. Probably. Yeah. Speaking of which, 54 00:04:54,620 --> 00:05:01,260 Switch is there. But the next one I'm gonna grab is the GameCube. It was a 55 00:05:01,260 --> 00:05:05,060 competitor with the PS2. Again Nintendo kind of did this thing where they did 56 00:05:05,060 --> 00:05:09,500 their own media and that kind of hurt them a little bit. Especially after the 57 00:05:09,500 --> 00:05:15,380 N64 when all the third-party developers jumped ship. And yeah that kind of hurt 58 00:05:15,380 --> 00:05:19,180 the library a little bit. That being said the GameCube is a really good 59 00:05:19,180 --> 00:05:23,540 console and it was the basis of the Wii. The Wii is basically just a GameCube 60 00:05:23,580 --> 00:05:29,580 with extra clock. So I'm gonna throw this in. I'm gonna throw it up next to the N64. 61 00:05:30,180 --> 00:05:37,060 I feel like it's just as flawed. But it has a pretty good library. The Xbox. 62 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:46,340 Ooh first Microsoft. The first Microsoft console. The Xbox was a thing. This is 63 00:05:46,340 --> 00:05:51,980 a Pentium 3 laptop basically. I remember being super excited for this like oh 64 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:55,940 it's running at 800 megahertz. It's gonna have a hard drive. I was too hyped 65 00:05:55,940 --> 00:06:02,460 about it I think. The problem with it was that Microsoft didn't have a huge 66 00:06:02,460 --> 00:06:07,100 stable of developers lining up for it and Japan just never accepted it. They 67 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:14,100 still don't really like Xbox. So I'm gonna throw that. I'm gonna throw it in B. 68 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:19,900 We got Halo out of it at least. We did get Halo out of it. And Project Gotham Racing 69 00:06:19,900 --> 00:06:24,740 was also there. Basically any cross-platform title was usually best on 70 00:06:24,740 --> 00:06:30,180 Xbox. Usually. That doesn't always hold true but you know anytime the developer 71 00:06:30,180 --> 00:06:34,940 made an attempt to utilize the full functions of the hardware the Xbox was 72 00:06:34,940 --> 00:06:39,100 usually the best in terms of like graphics and performance. I guess we're 73 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:45,820 through that generation. Oh yeah. Let's start the next one with the Wii. The Wii 74 00:06:45,860 --> 00:06:51,940 was Nintendo's lightning in a bottle. This was how do I put this? The beginning 75 00:06:51,940 --> 00:06:59,260 of a very big stint of hubris that led to the Wii U which I put an F tier. The Wii 76 00:06:59,260 --> 00:07:03,900 U was Nintendo's vain attempt to get people who bought the Wii to buy a new 77 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:07,380 console but the problem is most of the people who bought the Wii were casual 78 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:13,940 gamers. People who might have only ever bought the Wii. And yeah that didn't go 79 00:07:13,940 --> 00:07:18,500 out so well. So I mean there's there is some good software on the Wii. The Wii is 80 00:07:18,500 --> 00:07:24,380 very hackable and that's good because I spent so much time playing like emulating 81 00:07:24,380 --> 00:07:30,540 games on the Wii. I'm gonna throw it. This is gonna be controversial but I'm 82 00:07:30,540 --> 00:07:37,020 gonna throw it in the C tier. Oh wow. Because it started Nintendo off in a 83 00:07:37,020 --> 00:07:43,060 pretty bad direction and honestly it didn't keep up with the rest of the 84 00:07:43,060 --> 00:07:47,860 competition. It's kept Nintendo out of the HD age which is part of the reason 85 00:07:47,860 --> 00:07:52,700 why the Wii U failed. Yeah I mean it was just it was entirely marketed around 86 00:07:52,700 --> 00:07:57,740 its motion control gimmick and they even cut that before it was released. They 87 00:07:57,740 --> 00:08:02,940 had Wii Motion Plus later. So I think Nintendo the way they handled that, the 88 00:08:02,940 --> 00:08:08,340 way the library worked out, yeah they they dropped the ball at the Wii. It was 89 00:08:08,340 --> 00:08:14,300 super successful but I think they dropped the ball with it. The Xbox 360. This 90 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:20,420 was my first console of this generation. I got an Xbox 360 Elite. I really liked 91 00:08:20,420 --> 00:08:25,180 it. I got it for Ace Combat 6 for some reason. I don't know why but like it was 92 00:08:25,180 --> 00:08:29,980 an exclusive on the console and sure. But I also played stuff like Call of Duty 93 00:08:29,980 --> 00:08:35,180 Modern Warfare, Halo 3 and a bunch of other games like Game of Gears of War and 94 00:08:35,220 --> 00:08:40,740 pretty much the big titles of the day. I think it was probably Microsoft's 95 00:08:40,740 --> 00:08:49,300 biggest success to date and it put Xbox on the map like where Xbox Xbox kind of 96 00:08:49,300 --> 00:08:55,060 made push Microsoft into the market. The Xbox 360 made Xbox basically 97 00:08:55,060 --> 00:08:59,180 synonymous with video games just like back in the day when Nintendo used to be 98 00:08:59,180 --> 00:09:05,380 synonymous with video games. So given its importance to gaming history, I'm 99 00:09:05,380 --> 00:09:10,260 gonna have to put it in S tier. I like how you have like one from each brand up 100 00:09:10,260 --> 00:09:15,260 at S tier. I didn't plan that. I literally just decided just then to put it in S 101 00:09:15,260 --> 00:09:21,220 tier. It's gonna probably A but no. It's important. The PS3 on the other hand, this 102 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:30,340 too was a good console but it was marked by its very expensive launch price and a 103 00:09:30,340 --> 00:09:33,660 lot of failures early on. Actually the failures of the Xbox 360 were also a 104 00:09:33,660 --> 00:09:39,500 thing but Microsoft kind of dealt with that sooner rather than later. The PS3 105 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:45,020 has some interesting ideas but it also launched without rumble. I don't know how 106 00:09:45,020 --> 00:09:49,860 many people remember that but there was a lawsuit going on over rumbling 107 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:54,420 controllers. So the 6-axis was originally marketed as oh well we put so much 108 00:09:54,420 --> 00:09:58,580 advanced technology in this controller that we can't possibly put rumble in it. 109 00:09:58,580 --> 00:10:03,340 Rumble is a last-gen feature. Then they came out with DualShock 3 because the 110 00:10:03,340 --> 00:10:08,380 lawsuit ended. The PS3 became a contender later on in its life. So whereas the 111 00:10:08,380 --> 00:10:15,820 Xbox 360 came out swinging early on, the PS3 kind of was a slow burn. I'm gonna 112 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:19,340 put it under the Xbox 360 not because I don't like it as much but because I 113 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:24,540 think that Sony's mishandling of the early launch really hurt it and hurt Sony 114 00:10:24,540 --> 00:10:33,260 as a company. Also the PSN hack. I forgot about that. Yeah. The Xbox One. I never 115 00:10:33,260 --> 00:10:38,260 bought one of these. Actually that's a lie. I got one at auction recently but I've 116 00:10:38,260 --> 00:10:41,540 never actually like powered it up or anything. I don't have any love for the 117 00:10:41,540 --> 00:10:48,140 Xbox One. It is hackable I think. That's really all that's going for it. I 118 00:10:48,700 --> 00:10:53,420 skipped this entire generation because maybe I fell off the wagon but the Xbox 119 00:10:53,420 --> 00:10:59,780 One was such a debacle when it launched with the always-on DRM Kinect. What 120 00:10:59,780 --> 00:11:06,460 were they thinking? And they were talking about how oh well the Kinect is important because it improves the GPU performance. No it doesn't. What would you 121 00:11:06,460 --> 00:11:12,940 think would how could it possibly do that over USB? Anyway, Xbox One. I'm gonna 122 00:11:12,980 --> 00:11:18,820 put that in seat here. They tried. They tried to do something very different. 123 00:11:18,820 --> 00:11:23,380 They tried to be ahead of the time for the time. They wanted the Xbox to be 124 00:11:23,380 --> 00:11:27,620 the one thing in your living room and that's pretty much it. That's why they 125 00:11:27,620 --> 00:11:33,220 had the HDMI input and all the controls for your speaker systems and stuff like 126 00:11:33,220 --> 00:11:38,740 that. So like I get what they were going for but no. PS4 was actually pretty 127 00:11:38,780 --> 00:11:45,420 decent. The DualShock 4 actually overtook the DualShock 3 as my favorite 128 00:11:45,420 --> 00:11:50,740 controller despite the fact that they changed the form factor. The games 129 00:11:50,740 --> 00:11:55,140 themselves though. I don't know. Like there wasn't that much that wasn't also on 130 00:11:55,140 --> 00:12:01,740 PC and that's kind of because this and the Xbox One were PCs. Just like the 131 00:12:01,740 --> 00:12:05,580 current gen consoles are PCs. I guess that's why I fell off the wagon for this 132 00:12:05,580 --> 00:12:09,660 because like my PC can do pretty much everything that these consoles can do. 133 00:12:09,660 --> 00:12:15,140 The PS4 though. I don't know that it really helped Sony that much. It kept 134 00:12:15,140 --> 00:12:20,580 them in the game but I think towards the end Microsoft's Xbox One overtook it. 135 00:12:20,580 --> 00:12:24,420 That's just going off my gut though. But I'm gonna put it above the Xbox One 136 00:12:24,420 --> 00:12:29,260 just because it was handled so much better than Microsoft's attempt. Alright 137 00:12:29,260 --> 00:12:32,860 we're coming to the last three here. The last three. The current gen consoles. 138 00:12:33,260 --> 00:12:39,100 What do I think? They're all trash. We'll leave them there. No. The Switch is 139 00:12:40,940 --> 00:12:45,060 everything that I thought the Wii U should have been. Like a controller that is 140 00:12:45,060 --> 00:12:49,340 the console that you can then plug into the TV and have TV scale experiences. 141 00:12:49,340 --> 00:12:53,500 The Wii U's main problem was that nobody used the second screen for anything 142 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:56,700 because you couldn't guarantee that the second screen was going to be usable. 143 00:12:56,700 --> 00:13:00,980 So that tablet controller was dead weight. This turns that concept into the 144 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:05,540 entire console which means that you always have this. So yeah it just works. 145 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:11,740 Now that being said it is based on a NVIDIA Tegra platform. Basically it's a 146 00:13:11,740 --> 00:13:16,500 shield but I like it. It's just too bad that Nintendo has to keep locking it 147 00:13:16,500 --> 00:13:23,140 down. Do I think it's as important or likeable as either of the ones in the 148 00:13:23,140 --> 00:13:28,740 A tier? Do I think it's as bad as any of the ones in the C tier? I think it's 149 00:13:28,740 --> 00:13:35,140 got to go in the B tier. The PS5 and Xbox Series X. This is difficult because 150 00:13:35,140 --> 00:13:41,740 these haven't been available. Series X has been more available recently but I 151 00:13:41,740 --> 00:13:45,300 think the PS5 is still having supply issues. I don't like the fact that 152 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:51,220 Microsoft has a Series S and a Series X. That splits the ecosystem. That basically 153 00:13:51,220 --> 00:13:56,820 means that developers have to focus in on two different hardware levels. Whereas 154 00:13:56,860 --> 00:14:01,100 the PS5 only has the digital and disc editions and as far as I know there's 155 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:06,860 no other hardware variation between them. So that being said the Xbox Series X is 156 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:11,820 a much nicer form factor and it has in my opinion the better game library 157 00:14:11,820 --> 00:14:18,860 thanks to Game Pass. For me I'll probably put this in A. And the reason I'm 158 00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:22,940 doing that is because you can also enable developer mode. Now I think that's 159 00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:28,580 less possible than it used to be but it's still a thing you can do. So you can 160 00:14:28,580 --> 00:14:33,100 basically use it as a PC. In fact you still have Chromium even if you can't 161 00:14:33,100 --> 00:14:38,100 enable developer mode. So you can use in-app emulators or games or whatever. So 162 00:14:38,100 --> 00:14:41,620 I think there's a lot of potential there that I don't think is available on Sony. 163 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:48,220 But do you like the Series X more than the Nintendo Switch here? Yes. The reason 164 00:14:48,260 --> 00:14:53,860 for that is the Nintendo Switch isn't as versatile. You can carry it around, you 165 00:14:53,860 --> 00:15:00,180 can plug it into a TV, etc. But the problem with it is that Nintendo has 166 00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:04,300 locked it down to the point where aside from playing Nintendo games there's very 167 00:15:04,300 --> 00:15:08,500 little you can do with it. So it makes it kind of tough to justify packing. 168 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:17,500 Whereas the Xbox Series X is arguably a PC. The PS5 also a PC. Also a PC. 169 00:15:17,780 --> 00:15:21,660 I haven't tried the DualSense controller yet. In fact I don't really have a 170 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:27,780 whole lot of context for what the PS5 experience is like. But I do know that 171 00:15:27,780 --> 00:15:32,940 Sony is being kind of dicks about their intellectual property over the 172 00:15:32,940 --> 00:15:38,420 the popped cuff of the PS5. This one's a tough one, huh? It's another tough one. 173 00:15:38,420 --> 00:15:41,500 You know what? I think I'm just gonna throw it like right there. Right in 174 00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:46,340 between. So right in between. It's a B plus. It'd be an A if Sony weren't dicks. 175 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:52,660 Basically. Yeah, that's about it. I feel like as far as that goes I wish the 176 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:57,140 Master System were higher but I can't justify it. But I think I put the most 177 00:15:57,140 --> 00:16:01,340 influential consoles at the top. I think it was pretty solid. It was pretty balanced. 178 00:16:01,340 --> 00:16:06,620 I don't think there were too many truly bad consoles. Yeah, I mean the Wii U was a 179 00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:11,140 bad console. Now that being said there are good games on the Wii U. And I wish the 180 00:16:11,140 --> 00:16:15,620 Wii U was better. But it was a bad console. If you had put the Atari 5200 on 181 00:16:15,620 --> 00:16:21,100 there, I would have said that it was a technically interesting console. But it 182 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:28,260 was a bad console. And so was the 7800, I think. Because that had a... it was 183 00:16:28,260 --> 00:16:31,940 released like two or three years after it was supposed to release because of the 184 00:16:31,940 --> 00:16:37,740 video game crash. And basically nothing came out for it. And it was spec-trumped 185 00:16:37,740 --> 00:16:43,780 by the NES and Master System at that point. TurboGrafx 16, I probably would 186 00:16:43,780 --> 00:16:47,220 have put a little bit higher. But it was kind of a bad console because it didn't 187 00:16:47,220 --> 00:16:52,140 perform well here. So there weren't that many games. There you go. There's Anthony's 188 00:16:52,140 --> 00:16:57,020 tier list. Now what does the rest of the office think about this?