Was the was the title about your ARM it was about NVIDIA, right? Yeah, people already noticed
They noticed what your ARM already. Yeah, how'd they notice when did we even go live must have been no, but thumbnail thumbnail
Yeah Larius fast. I want it dude. They're fast
What's up, Flo playing chat how you guys doing? Oh, well, we're after stretch. I'm so sore
Okay
All right More like took a week off and didn't shave it all shadow
We'll talk about the ARM later
Yeah, it was an adventure though for sure
Definitely adventure
Adventure time
We made a video about this little underwater scooter thing it's pretty cool check this out
I Wanted one and
The thing in all the spy movies getting it shipped to my house was inconvenient. So I had procurement order it
So to justify that I made a video
So that's that was my youngest racing me going as fast as I could using this little scooter
Oh my
This thing friggin rips at full speed
I know that this is not the world's best short but
We can do better ones when I care and I'm not just trying to have logistics arrange the shipment for me
She is moving in gear three so this is it in the maximum gear just like whoo
Yeah, anyway, wow
I
Know the fur affinity hack is not gonna be part of today's WAN Show
There a fur affinity hack I
Assume there is based on your question. Yes
Is that like a furry for him or what I don't know You said that really quickly because I'm looking it up right now
Hmm interesting
Apparently it's already back up
No, I don't think we have any spare Vancouver skyline LTX most pads lying around I think we blew them away during lime day
Linus needs to change his account names before he'll talk about the fur affinity hack
I don't know. I I assume it's hyper sexualized. So
Yeah, I Don't have too many accounts
Too many. Yeah You guys home. Oh, we should probably add this to the dock. You just have a few fur affinity counts. Yep
Just the right number. I have the right number of fur affinity counts. I'll let you
I'll let you decide What the right number is zero yourself?
69 account says chat is the right number. It's a lot of accounts. Is it though? Is it really? I mean when you consider
All the factors all the different animals that you could be. Yes, they're really uh
Oh wait, are we are we are we going live?
Is it time? Okay, I'm doing it. Here we go. I hit it
You
What's up everyone welcome to the WAN Show we've got a great show lined up for you guys today and video has
Quietly downgraded the hardware on the RTX
4070 and I gotta say the timing for this is
perfect just Today, I did the final review on a video that we have coming out on
NVIDIA's scummy naming tactics and their renaming of cards that are not actually the same performance
So we had to shoot a quick pickup when we saw the news for this and that video is gonna be coming out
We're gonna seem like the most the most timely coverage of that whole thing and it's only because NVIDIA
Does it so often that we could just make a video about it whenever and probably they'd do something scummy?
I'm also gonna be talking about the fight that I got into
During my week off here so you could see my ARM got done pretty good
And it's kind of harder for you guys to see but this hand is quite swollen compared to that
I mean that I'm sure they both look small, but this one is bigger than the other one
So yeah, yeah, no, I can already yeah, what else we got without the comparison
I saw AMD walks back unrealistic Ryzen 9,000 benchmarks and
Peloton wants to skim money from secondhand sales because apparently it wasn't already expensive
Who do they think they are the government?
The show is brought to you today by jump cloud MSI
Moosend and of course our chair partner secret lab. Why don't we jump right into our headline topic which is?
NVIDIA and Shitifying their lineup. How do they think that this is acceptable?
Well, I've done it a bunch of times and got away with it every single time So that's probably now not every single time talk about that at the very bottom of a news bulletin about game ready drivers
NVIDIA Snackin a little sneaky announcement that they would be launching a new version of the RTX 4070 with GDDR6
Memory instead of GDDR6X memory in September this they said would only reduce memory bandwidth from
504 gigabytes per second to 480 gigabytes per second reducing bandwidth which NVIDIA says shouldn't impact performance however
None of the new variants clearly indicate on the box that they are inferior to other
4070s in this small but significant and I guarantee you
Measurable way now NVIDIA has done this many times in the past where they've made a small change to a product whether it is
And sometimes Sometimes it actually doesn't affect anything like you probably remember back in the day that you'd want to try and get like the
8800 GT with the Samsung memory instead of the SK hynix or yeah, or you know vice versa or whatever
You know whichever memory Whichever memory fab was making the the chips that would overclock the best back then but in terms of stock operation
They would run at exactly the same speed. It was only overclockers that were interested in these little differences and
You can you can totally on yeah, and miners of course moving sort of later on and
While there's obvious business advantages and real justifications for dual sourcing parts, I mean
Apple even has has dual sourced SOCs for example in their iPhones
Samsung has done it many times in their galaxy flagships as
Long as everything is up front as long as you know what you're buying
I don't think you're gonna see the same degree of outrage But the way that NVIDIA has done this a number of times is
Just plain. I don't know how to describe it other than wrong
Like occasionally they do this and they compensate in other ways like we've seen in the past where they'll have the same
Model number and there'll be potentially two different dies on it like two completely different chips on it
But what they might do is the one that has a wider memory bus, okay?
It might be clocked a little bit higher Or whatever the case may be so there could be differences and for example power consumption
But not a difference in the FPS that you're gonna get when you're playing
I don't know what what's that woo woo Kang or whatever that that new game that everyone's super excited about is Woo Kong
Black myth Woo Kong, I think yeah black myth Woo Kong. Yeah, so you know what right like whatever game you're playing
You're not gonna get a different frame rate and for most desktop users
It's not gonna be the end of the world if it consumes 15 or 20 more watts
This and you know what NVIDIA is probably right that this I mean, what does this work out to so?
That would be a hundred gigabytes a second would be 10%
So have so so what's about a 2% or 2 to 3% difference in memory bandwidth?
Realistically, are you gonna notice that probably not but here's the thing
If it's measurable it matters NVIDIA would have known that when they designed the RTX 4070
They would have known the difference between GDDR6 and GDDR6 X memory, so
they obviously made a choice at that time to go with GDDR6 X memory and
If GDDR6 has caught up to GDDR6 X in terms of the
the transfer rates and and it's and it's and it's and it's good enough then you know what
Okay, but then it has to be the same then then bin them and run them at 24 gigabytes per second faster like I'm
There's it's so easy to poke holes in the logic if this doesn't matter
Then it wouldn't have mattered then and if it does matter Then you need to clearly label this and the thing is that there's ample precedent for NVIDIA labeling
Especially their partners labeling different memory versions of cards like you you probably remember this like way back in the day
When you'd be able to buy the same GPU, but with like desktop DDR to instead of GDDR because it was super cheap
Yeah, now NVIDIA's justification for this is that the GDDR6 version will improve supply and availability
Which is potentially a reference to reports from July that a batch of micron GDDR6 X memory had failed to pass QA
But to me this is just such a clear Cut and dried case of NVIDIA needing to differentiate these cards. I I am
I'm really annoyed What would make you happy
Do you think this matters I
Think it matters because it comes a controversial take. Yeah, Franby. I don't think you can give someone something that is lesser than what has been
Not only advertised but released to reviewers
So if people look up reviews of this thing, they will see a specific and I don't the the amount that it's different is almost irrelevant
To me because you're opening a door Right for this to be able to happen again in the future and then what are you going to measure it every time?
No, it's a little ridiculous. You have to say if it's okay or not, okay? So I think it's not okay because this has been tested reviewed people are making person purchasing decisions off of what is now incorrect information
There is variance in between cards and in regards to overall performance and I could see that honestly being almost more impactful than
This change in some scenarios. Yep, but I
Don't but that's the thing is they could stack. Yeah, you could get the worst die
And you could get the lower memory Yes, and all of a sudden that plus or minus a couple percent from one card to the next bigger is a little wider
And I just I don't like that. I think at the very
Like if you have to make a change like this, just call it something slightly different and make it cheaper
And the thing is that NVIDIA has shown tight. Yeah, the fact that they're not even giving a discount. There's no discount
What are you even if it's like? Ten bucks and they've shown time and time again that they are willing to communicate differences in products
I mean look back at the light hash rate cards the ones that had the had the Bork mining capabilities. Yeah
Don't tell me you guys that you're not willing to
Communicate about a product revision
Yeah, and it doesn't even need to be communicated in like a bad way because it isn't a very significant difference
Exactly, so you don't have to call it like the bad version or whatever and it doesn't need to be a huge price drop
but just like throw people a couple bones, yep, and
Call it something slightly different. So there's a little bit of differentiation. It can even still be 4070
4070 something 4070 light 4070
I don't know 4070 something. I don't have a good name for it. Yeah, I'm trying to remember that light
What's their face? ATI used to use SE
And we it was they it was for special edition, obviously
But the community called it slow edition because everyone knew that usually they were downgraded in some way
Yeah, and so it's like there's precedent for this. There's so much precedent for this what there isn't I shouldn't say there isn't
Precedent for it. No, actually, I don't think there is a precedent for just releasing a slower card and calling it exactly the same thing
This type of stuff has happened with like SSDs, but yes, I don't think so
I don't think this has been so we're opening up a new box here. Yeah, it's not good
I am I'm pretty frustrated and I'm I'm the only thing that makes me happy about this is the fact that
It happened right on the eve of our of our video coming out about this
Because and I see people talking in the chat right now about times that NVIDIA has bamboozled them
Here what am I looking at Archer pl in Floatplane chat says
1063 gig was a fail and my biggest tech purchase mistake and as as we were working on this video on NVIDIA's scummy naming schemes
Both the writer and I had personal stories of times when NVIDIA's crappy naming had had fooled them
I've been fooled. I mean, we don't come into this hobby
We don't come into this industry knowing everything and for me it was when I bought my aftalon XP system way back in the early
2000s because I Was an ignorant consumer and when you're first starting out
I feel like I feel like it's so easy for people to be gatekeepery and elitist and like
Oh, you should have known better than to believe anything you read on user benchmark
Everybody knows that right like like definitely not a lot of people actually use that site
No, people don't know right and and the SEO to trash on it is cool because that'll help get the word out
Yeah, tons of people use but don't attack the user don't attack the ignorant user who's new
So, you know, I was still learning the ropes in terms of which sites could be could be trusted and and how to how to make
My way through the marketing names into the actual tech specs and so I bought a motherboard
I spent I think it was like 20 or 30 extra dollars or something like that on a motherboard that had on-board graphics because there
Were different versions of NVIDIA's N-Force 2
Motherboard chipset one without on-board graphics and one that had g-force for mx graphics and
Looking at that as a consumer the latest version of g-force that you could buy in an add-in card for like
Wow, those are like six or seven hundred dollars. That's crazy
I so I can get I can get this motherboard. That's just 30 extra dollars
And it has just the last generation built right onto it g-force 4 instead of g-force 5
Well, that's great. At least I'll be able to game It supports the version of DirectX that I need to play this game
I want right you got to put yourself in the mindset of somebody who who doesn't actually know anything about this yet
Yeah, and so I bought a motherboard with g-force 4 mx graphics
only to realize much later that g-force 4 mx is almost
One-for-one copy-paste of g-force 2
It wasn't even Remotely modern like the whole thing was just fake bullcrap and to be clear
g-force 4 mx was leaps and bounds ahead of what Intel had for on-board graphics back then so it's not like I couldn't play my
Warcraft 3 on it But what I didn't get was what I thought I was getting what the name
represented and so we Pretty much. It's a great video. You guys are gonna want to watch it. We kind of run through
everything that Not everything but we run through some key highlights of times that NVIDIA has advertised one thing and
Delivered another and there's a couple of recent ones that are really bad
Basically the 3056 gig is really the one that was at the 36. Yeah, I think it was the 3056 gig
Was the one that really stood out to us as being particularly awful because it was two years in between the original card and
the cut-down version and They call it just 3066 gig so they differentiate only by RAM
But the GPU is different and because they launch know the GPU is the same for this one
But the I'm trying to I'm trying to remember all the different things that are different. No, the clock speed is cut way down
Cuda cores are down. I believe the die is the same. Okay, don't don't quote me on that though
These are all details that I'm that I'm going through as we're working on the video
Yeah, and I'm not going through in my brain right now
Yeah, but basically the reason that I really didn't like that one and the reason that that one inspired this video was because it was two
Years later and when NVIDIA launched that GPU kind of like this one. They just did a little sneaky sneak launch
There's a blog post on their site and that's pretty much it was it at like the bot wasn't this one at the bottom
This one was at the bottom of a game ready driver bulletin The other one got its own it got its own blog post, but like they didn't see it to reviewers
so I only found a handful of reviews on it and because of the
Because of the the large viewership on those older videos from two years ago and because of the similarity in the keywords
even if you explicitly search for the for the
The 30 56 gig even if you explicitly search for that you end up with results for the 30 58 gig
Which could easily make you think that you're getting something that is
significantly better than what you're actually buying and
Because and because very few people even reviewed this later card
It's it's really it's just really hard to tell that it is a completely
Separate card, especially because as they released the six gig version
They didn't even revise the name of the original one to add eight gig to it
So there's just 30 50 and 30 56 gig
Yeah, if I if I was even as a relatively informed consumer if I was looking at that
I would assume it was just a RAM difference between the guards and we talk about that we talk about how a
Lot of regular consumers, especially the ones buying a more mid-range or entry-level gaming card
They're gonna be relying on a sales rep at a big box store They are not necessarily gonna be the ones that are going and pouring over articles and review videos and honestly with
Experience of this a lot of sales rep at big box store people are not gonna look into it
They're just gonna see the the size difference of the memory and then try to sell that to users as they're the same thing
But there's more RAM on this one and and that's not I don't even blame them
Because if you could be even a fairly knowledgeable sales rep
And if you were just a little bit out of date like you used to be able to buy cards that were the exact same cards 8800
GTS is an example. It was available with 320 megabytes or
640 megabytes of VRAM and if you weren't running at a high resolution
So you you know you weren't gonna buy two of them and run them in SLI and hook them up to a
1600p monitor or whatever else if you weren't doing that the 320 megabyte version performed exactly the same there's also like
ever expecting a like a minimum wage sales rep to go above and beyond just reading the card is
like and So even if though even if they had some of that knowledge and knew oh, yeah
The bigger frame buffer is more important if you're gonna run at a high resolution or if you're gonna install a bunch of texture mods
And stuff like that they could still end up misleading the customer
So the fact that this was done so quietly is I guess what
What demonstrates that NVIDIA knows that what they're doing is wrong, right? Like it's like when your kids
It's like when your kids are you know watching TV, right?
If they if they know they're not supposed to be doing it the volumes way down
You know so you come in you're like hey, you know, you're not supposed to be watching TV
Oh, no, I didn't know I didn't know okay Well, why is the TV muted and you're watching with subtitles? You don't do that normally
Right like it this is one of those things where I feel like this is something that happened there
They're well actually my kids are really good. I'm
Maybe talking about my own childhood here. Okay
Now are they really good or if they just learned very well how to hide things I really I really doubt that
Yeah, no, no, no, no cuz like look they don't have to ask permission to like watch TV when I'm sleeping in so
They they can't like get busted for that. Is that like a fun rule that you have you sleep in too long?
They just do whatever not do whatever like turn on when you wake up
They can't do whatever but it's a little more loosey-goosey if I if I need a morning sleep in yeah
That's kind of fun I
Mean that's like why Saturday morning cartoons existed, you know, right? So I
You gotta keep continue the tradition Saturday morning do whatever
All right, why don't we move on to I want to talk about Peloton sure. Yeah, this is
Freaking wild so our source here is the verge and also Peloton
Directly because they appear to have no shame about this in a recent earnings call
Peloton announced that they will be adding a $95 activation fee for second-hand exercise machines in the US and Canada
This does not apply to refurbished machines bought through Peloton
But it does apply to any machine bought directly from its previous owner
Thanks, the fee will apparently cover a
Virtual custom fitting which we have no idea what that means for bike and bike plus customers and a history slash
summary of the device a Regular price machine is
$1,445 while used bikes range from 300 to $500 there's likewise a
$44 monthly membership fee to access Peloton content
so I Think I've talked about this
I Think I've talked about this a fair bit
Whether it's on the WAN Show or whether it's scrapyard boys or wherever else if you want to know the value of something
You don't look at the retail price Yeah, the value of something is what it's worth on the second-hand market now
That doesn't mean that you should never buy anything new Because if you look at something on the second-hand market and you go, oh wow
That still costs 80% of what a brand new one does
Boy, I would sure like a a brand new warranty and this is a piece of exercise equipment
You know, I would just love to have something that nobody ever sweated on
Whatever the case a lot of them are designed to be that is very fair a lot of them are designed to be very easily clean
I know I mean if they do have little rips and tears and stuff It can really seep in there. It can get it can get real
I want to know for sure that what I'm buying hasn't been in a has been in a smoke-free household
Sure, whatever your personal sensitivities are right then I think there's absolutely a valid case to be made for
Paying extra and getting a brand new X, you know, whatever it is
But when you go to the second-hand market and you go hmm
These are $1,500 new and I can pick one up for like
$400 Why exactly is it that people are willing to let these go for a thousand dollars less than what they're worth?
Because that's how much they're worth And in the case of Peloton, I think it's pretty clear that with the $44
Monthly membership fee that that is a huge drag on the value of these machines
because people buying second-hand are generally not that into paying
$500 a year in order to continue to use something that they've bought they tend to be value conscious
So what the used market is is it's a barometer for what a value conscious person is willing to pay for something?
So it can kind of help you sort of realign and if you decide look I want a peloton
Regardless then that's totally your decision and I'm not going to tell you what you can or can't spend your money on
But what I will tell you is that there's obviously a group out there that is looking at the value proposition of this thing and going wow
That is absolute madness So let's talk about why this activation fee exists then so for one thing obviously
Peloton is recognizing that these extremely low priced second-hand machines are
Hurting their ability to sell new machines because they're opening people's eyes to what this product is is worth
When you have to pay such an obnoxiously high prescription a subscription fee for it
the other thing that Peloton is doing is they are
Trying to make these used products less appealing
Because if a brand new one doesn't have the activation fee
But a second-hand one does then it's almost like putting it's almost like a country putting import tariffs on
Competing let's say for example of vehicles, right? So you're essentially saying okay, well
Our product is not competitive our domestic product is not competitive. So instead of making it competitive
We're just going to add a
Disadvantage to anything that gets imported to any other option on the market and to be clear
I'm not saying that import tariffs are always just sort of protectionist bullsh**t
There are cases where you could look at a particular industry and the way that it's getting subsidized by a foreign adversary
And go hmm. I couldn't help noticing that you're selling these way below the cost that it would cost to make them
In an effort to destroy our domestic industry in the long term
That's a type of warfare and I would actually prefer if you didn't do that
Lots of other things like data collection that happens through devices and like absolutely a pretty considerable amount of other reasons
Why you might not want to just have no tariff full open market?
I'm just using it as as an example to demonstrate the other kinds of approaches that exist to shore up the competitiveness of
Our own uncompetitive product when there are other options available
Peloton suffered significant financial losses last year
241 million dollars while its losses this year look to be relatively modest at just 30 million dollars
This is something that I've had a really hard time figuring out
How How do you lose 30 million dollars selling?
$1,500 exercise bikes. I'm trying to look this up. Apparently they have 3,584 employees
Why I'm really trying to figure that part of that question out
I don't know yet. Is that what you've been sitting typity typing about away on your computer. Oh, no
I was I'm planning a video actually
Am I being am I being? bamboozled you're a quote of yours may be being questioned. Oh
What did I say? That you can I think the quote was that you can guarantee that there is a measurable difference of the new GPUs. Oh, yeah
So we're gonna go see oh, okay. I don't know if it'll actually be a video
Okay, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey measurable measurable can be very small
You just have to be able to Abel measure
Abel measure measure Abel measurable. Yeah, but yeah, I know I'm trying to figure out like what what do they actually do?
The instructors seem to be like I would imagine their contractors live
People this isn't like recordings Okay, Peloton instructor makes twenty nine dollars and eleven cents an hour. Okay
That seems like a weird choice, but sure
I mean if that's part of their shtick though is like hey, it's you know, 40
$44 a month, but it's an actual person. Yep. Yep. I can see that it laid off about 12% of its staff at around 500 people in October of
2022, but it still has the like thirty four hundred employees. Okay
and Yeah, I don't know what they all do all day necessarily
I'm sure something
Alright, there's a lot of companies like I've I've looked into quite a few that I'm just like man like what
People are like marketing basically
But that's like that's such a weird thing to me like I I feel like the whole
the whole calculation has just gotten kind of
Perverted in a sense like by the VC money that is dumping into that is dumping into
Whatever industry it is, right? So okay
Peloton takes on a bunch of VC money that they use to buy up basically every ad
It juices up the price of the ads which effectively is just like
Causing even themselves to throw more money more money into the into the money furnace
And then it makes it so that you know anyone else who wants to advertise in that vertical is going to be paying so much and it's and it's
By definition, it's at the point of unsustainability These ads are clearly costing more in customer acquisition than they're making back from selling the bikes
Well, that's not that's not it doesn't work. Why don't they just?
Stop paying an amount for ads that they can't recoup and
I'm sure there's reasons for this right like I'm sure peloton's CEO if they have to answer to their shareholders about
Why their shipment volumes are down 30% is just like well
I'm not willing to pay that much for ads then you know the the investors in peloton are gonna look at that and they're gonna go
Yeah, but this other you know exercise bike company They're buying lots of ads and they're eating up all of our market share and and it's a subscription business
So ultimately they're hoping to make money from you in the very long term anyway
So if this acquisition cost just keeps going up, then I don't know Maybe we'll just increase the subscription price and maybe we'll add a maybe we'll add a
What's it called the virtual custom fitting with a $95 activation fee and just extract even more money
Have you figured out why peloton spend so much money? Well, one of the ideas is that I didn't realize they had their own dedicated physical stores. Oh
That's stupid. Yeah Okay
And it doesn't seem like a very insignificant amount of them
Like there's four between Vancouver and Seattle
Really? Yeah, why do you need okay? Why do you need one?
Man, I remember having this conversation with NCIX leadership way back in the day I pitched NCIX light
and basically what I wanted it to be was like I
Don't know so here. What's what's the the the plate? We're sitting on right now is I think about 1800 square feet
So what I had in mind was something in the neighborhood of about a third of this
So like 500 to 600 square feet and essentially what it is is do you remember how some of the NCIX stores back in the day
We're essentially just like a couple computers in the front where you could browse their website or other websites
But usually their website they preferred if you stuck to their website instead of comparison shopping
So a couple computers where you could browse their website a
Small back room and what I what I pitched and this was honestly one of the big friction points because I was like look
I only want to carry like the top three products in a category like we're gonna have
At the time this would have been because it's not really supposed to be a browsing experience. Yeah, this would have been probably
What like
Second gen core or something like that. So okay, so we're gonna or like maybe third gen so we're gonna have the 3700 K
We're gonna. Oh, no, that would have been later. So we'll have the 2600 K the
2500 K and then like one, you know value AMD option. We basically take our top three selling CPUs. That's
It we take our top three selling RAM SKUs
So basically I have to build like the most commonly built computer
Exactly, and then whatever you have a small small tech area where you could take on like a half a dozen
Probably about similar to like Keith's back room But he does a lot of so that at black black lab computers
But he does a lot of mobile and that really wasn't mobile technician stuff was not a thing that NCIX did back then
So we wouldn't have been doing that we'd be doing desktops only so you'd have a small like intake area and a couple work benches
For doing servicing and then what I had pitched was that we would essentially have our trucks
Which we already had so we already had kind of our truck fleet that went between the stores is we would have a truck
That just drove back and forth between the DC and the stores
Continuously so that people could save on shipping and use it as a pickup depot
This was years before Amazon implemented their pickup depot concept. Yeah
So to pay the rent the idea was that we would do the servicing there
We had a trusted brand name and then to effectively and then to bolster the retail business
We would have this this kind of this fixed cost essentially of these trucks going back and forth between the DCs
so that you could Go get anything you needed in an emergency and then you could get any of the more esoteric stuff within let's say
You know three to four days or whatever it works out to but with free shipping
I think it would have been an absolute game-changer and
Basically, I'm looking at this Peloton thing and I'm going if their stores are any more than like a bike
Yeah, I Okay, what are they if they have cafes in them? See that's what I'm talking about like if if they kept it really simple
And it was just an experience Location and it's absolutely tiny
I'd be I'd be totally fine with that and probably the overhead would be way less. I gotta say man
traveling overseas really opens my mind sometimes in terms of how
how broken and How bureaucratic the way we do things here are like I'm not saying that we should go full like
Anyone can run their own electrical wire up to the you know the pole or whatever like you see in some really scary images
I'm not saying that we should just completely Deregulate everything, but I remember staying in that gaming hotel back in Taiwan like five years ago
Do the like retail experience in Taiwan is amazing dude that hotel was just a floor of an office building
Yeah, that they renovated and turned into a hotel. Why does a hotel have to be in its own dedicated giant building?
That's zoned hotel and only hotel why we showed up. I thought that was super weird within an hour
I was like, oh, it literally doesn't matter at all. Yeah, why do we care about this? Yeah?
Yeah, in fact, it's way better because now if I had business with a company that worked on a different floor of that building
I can just stay in the hotel that's on a different floor of the same building
You also just like as you're as you're going out in the morning You go downstairs of the hotel and there's a 7-eleven the hotel doesn't have to make its own like
Probably garbage restaurant because most hotel restaurants suck some of them are great, but most of them suck. Yeah
Like I yeah, I don't know. It's cool need zoning laws. Yeah, so they need to
Needful doer says the wrong says fire code Linus fire code
Well, no, you should still absolutely adhere to fire code
But what is the difference between the fire code of an office building and the fire code of a hotel building?
They're both a high-rise structure. Who cares what I put on this floor or what I put on that floor
And if you're gonna tell me, okay, look Linus, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to deal with you know
The maximum occupancy of the of the highest occupancy sort of permitted use of the building sure fine
No problem. Yeah, but why do we have this?
Extremely rigid approach to things. Why is it that the second apple opened up these experience stores?
Every retailer and their dog is sitting here going, okay
How do I use the square footage that I have in my location in the least efficient way possible?
Like I've told you about my game that I like playing at airports, right?
You don't know about my airport game. You probably have but I can't think about
This is my okay It's less fun these days now that I have played it enough that I have some idea
But I had this game that I invented for myself back when I used to fly a lot and I called it
How much does that cost? Oh, yes, okay. No, no that costs how much that's what that's what I used to call it
That's that cost how much so what I would do is I would walk around and there's an airport and is it is it Beijing Shanghai?
I don't know Shenzhen whatever one of the one of the big Chinese airports has a mall behind it
Have you been to a Tuas and Mills? No, I've seen pictures okay, so one of the Chinese airports can't remember which one has a mall behind security
You literally cannot access this shopping mall unless you have an an aircraft ticket and you have gone through security. I
Swear to God, it's like bigger than Tuas and Mills
It is freaking Enormous, I'm assuming an incredible amount of people go through there every day
If they make it work who cares it's freaking enormous anyway
So a lot of airports have Shockingly large shopping centers in them and something that I would always wonder to myself is you know other than a bag of jolly ranchers
What are people buying at the airport? Because sometimes it's not even like duty-free right or oh really yeah
Sometimes it's not even like a huge cost advantage or whatever like why are you buying jewelry at an airport? Yes?
It's gold. It's a commodity. It costs whatever it costs general. I have no idea why
Almost any store that isn't like a restaurant or a convenience store or like a in case you forgot it
Charge your headphone data cable. Yeah pillow thing sure
I don't understand why any source other than those really who's buying up who's buying a luxury watch at the airport
I don't get it but anyway. Anyway, sorry. So my game that costs how much all spying don't do that
What do you what are you impulse buying a $30,000 timepiece for stop it?
so anyway my So my game is I would walk until I found a store whose name I didn't recognize
Okay, so I first became aware of Louis Vuitton
When a friend of mine in high school dropped by my house to do something and they wouldn't get out of their car
because our driveway wasn't paved and
They had Louis Vuitton shoes they had Louis Vuitton shoes and that was one of it's like a I have some core memories of
times when I have laughed at people like not like haha you idiot, but just like
Like I couldn't stop laughing and it was at a person
over the ups just utterly ridiculous way that they were behaving
One of the other times was when someone explained to me the concept of a LAN party
Which I have now come around to But as a normie it was pretty funny
That in hindsight is hilarious It's ridiculous
How early were your computer nerd at what age did you not know when you were laughing at people for this dude?
I was in like grade 10 When did you this was the this was a summer after grade 10?
I didn't get into computers till like after you even though I'm years older than you
Do we've been through this I mean like I liked playing video games
But the concept of me and a bunch of like sweaty
Network together in a room playing games. I was like that's what you did for your birthday party
Don't you have laser tag?
Did you not play paint well, that's like every birthday party I had after I was like 14 or something
Yeah, exactly right so that was one of them And then one of the other ones that sticks out in my mind is the time that buddy wouldn't get out of his car at my house
Because he was afraid of getting his Louis Vuitton shoes dirty. He was like they're Louis Vuitton
I'm like, what does that even mean what what's a Louis Vuitton and why would I care is that like Nike or whatever?
He's like These are $1,300 shoes or whatever and like I lost it. I
Was like, I'm sorry I thought the function of shoes is to keep your feet from getting dirty, but you can't even walk with them like what?
What's the point of them and you can't even walk on something anyway, he was not impressed
We haven't been in touch since high school
The point the point is I recognize that you know like I I recognize
Like some of some of the you know the more mainstream
But dude, I promise you as someone who's not into the world of high fashion
If you were to go to one of those like luxury malls, you probably wouldn't even recognize the names of
No, I know Over half of these stores and just walking through the airport. I find new ones basically every time
Yeah, so the game is you go you have to go to one you don't recognize and then you have to
Usually it's best if you're with someone You have to play play prices right rules and you have to try to guess how much it costs without going over and I swear to God
It's practically impossible never gonna go over
Well, no, no, no, no, oh you can you can but it's so hard because the difference between a $2,000 sneaker and
$4,000 sneaker is not evident to me. There was a bunch of
Italian super luxury brands that just got brutally ousted. I don't know if you saw this. I hope I didn't get any of this wrong
It's not in the dock, but there was like a raid on a
Manufacturing place in somewhere in Italy, I believe it was was because they wanted to be able to keep saying that their stuff
Was made in Italy. Yeah, they wanted to be able to get it made for cheaper
So they were basically running like a sweatshop, but in Italy
And they found like in the raid it came out like what the actual materials that were used and stuff because it was like some
I believe there was some form of legal process. So certain documents were revealed to the public
It's like insane like, I don't know like $20,000 per $40 of leather type situation. Well, yeah, 50
I think it was 50,000 percent markups dude and stuff cow is a
Cow's a cow like I Having having spent some time now in the apparel industry
I Can tell you guys it doesn't cost that much more to make a high quality. I mean look actually
Oh, yeah, I want I wanted to talk about this this week. We won the overall
Highest grade on Project Farms youtuber merch
T-shirt test. Yeah, it was cool. So we didn't come out on top in terms of what were the two categories comfort or durability
We weren't the softest that was one of the big knocks against us for comfort and
Our our material fade was on the higher side compared to some of the other ones
But I mean I can I could talk for a very long time about the trade-offs that exist
So softness can often come at the cost of more pilling. Yeah, and Todd did really well
I didn't notice that we don't have a lot of pilling. There's There's reasons why we do the things that we do
Anyway the difference between our shirt in terms of my cost on on it compared to like a
Like a Haynes beefy tea, you know, like just a bottom bottom of the barrel like mainstream shirt is not
Much it's like a few dollars. That's why even with printing which is done here in Canada and on both sides
We still do the Okay, this is a staff shirt from LTX
But whatever we still do the little LTT logo in the back even with both sides screen printing high quality screen printing
We scored really well on our screen printing quality as well in the durability of our prints
Outstanding which we already knew but hey, it's good to have third parties validate these things
Even with that. That's why our shirts are still 1999
A lot of merch shirts are 30 or even $40 or more you go to a concert. You're probably paying $50 $60
That is not that shirt does not cost three times what this one costs higher quality materials don't
Cost that much they do tend to put our products at the higher end of what a you know given category will cost
But I don't think completely outlandish
And so yeah, it doesn't surprise me at all to find out that that
$40,000 purse is made out of you know, 40 bucks or a couple hundred bucks worth of leather
Apparently that I was just skimming over an article for it I this isn't a prep topic if you're interested in you should look into yourself
But yeah, it was it was like Dior and a couple other brands like that
But they they ended up finding that they had inhumane working conditions for the manufacturing of the
Stuff and they were they were by I think it was a bag was
$57 and it was selling for 2600 or something like that
So like there's obviously no reason for the inhumane working conditions when you're making that much margin
There's never a good reason for inhumane working conditions But I do kind of wonder with some of the clientele for those types of products if does that make it better?
This is what make it better inhumane working conditions
That's a weird psychological dive that we're not gonna be able to answer right now, but
Feel on it for this feel leather. I don't think anyone would directly say that
But unless you're in private company, but the rarity of it
The unattainability of it is absolutely the point. Yeah, because we know that the point is not the quality
Yeah, the point is that other people can see you with it
and so with that in mind
By definition in order to be rare it has to cost so much that
If you can't attain it if time is money then that means money is time so it has to be worth
so much time that
The only way to have it is that your time is worth so much more than someone else's time if that makes sense
And so with that in mind Kind of yeah, yeah, Tim in full planche after said blood diamonds are a coveted thing. Yeah
Really, it's kind of the same deal. I didn't know that. Oh, they totally are. Yeah, but I thought I thought blood diamond
is an expression People want real diamonds
They don't care if the manufactured ones are like just as good or the same or whatever they want like real pulled out of the ground
Diamonds, which basically results. Yeah, but you can you can buy Canadian diamonds, for example, like bonds ring is Canadian
Yeah, a lot of people don't bother Oh, yeah, it's like totally a thing. Oh, okay
Hmm anyways, maybe onto anyway Phil H says what I really value about your t-shirts is they don't shrink
That is another interesting thing that Todd observed. I believe we were
The highest or no, I think we were the second. Yeah, I think we were the second best for shrinkage
And I got to send The most fun email that I've sent in a long time to our fashion team
When I saw his test so Todd didn't talk to us about this at all
He just ordered shirts, I guess and I found out about the video at the same time you guys did
So generally how he does I watched it with my butt clenched, you know how it is
Yeah, and I was very excited to see that we scored extremely well
But what Todd as in his every man style, you know might not necessarily realize is the is the why
Behind some of the things that he observes I was just gonna bring up the chart at the end, but you should probably go watch the video instead
Yeah, no, you guys should go watch the video if you if you go watch the video at a certain point
I don't know you can tell you went at a certain point. He puts a chart up on screen You can see the overall scores for everything, but you should go watch it yourself. Yeah, so
So yeah, so he doesn't necessarily get into the into the why and what I can tell you is that anything cotton is gonna shrink
So if a garment doesn't shrink and it has like any percentage of cotton in it what it means is that it's pretty shrunk
It means that there's an additional step There's an additional cost that went into the production of that garment in order to safeguard it from
warm warm washing and especially hot drying and
What's funny is I am the driving force
This is one of those things we have a great team and they do the hard work of you know sourcing and
Qa and validation and and like
You know like we man We have capabilities that we wouldn't have even dreamed of you know five years ago when we start up creator warehouse like Tatiana's amazing
You'd be like yeah, so I need something that's anti microbial and I needed to do this
I need to do that and she comes back a few weeks later with like different swatches and she's like yeah
Well, this one's ten sole and this one's this and this one's that we looked into silver
But it's like super super harmful, so we're not gonna explore that and it's like yeah
We have like we do like material science now and stuff super cool
Yeah, yeah, anyway, I don't know much about that stuff, so I'm not surprised. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's fine. That's fine
But the point is one it I am
The way that I see it I'm kind of like our our prototypical customer, right and like you guys wouldn't with your particular body dimensions
Yeah, but I mean I mean in terms of like the things that matter to me, right?
It's like you guys wouldn't follow this channel if you didn't have anything in common with me
So when I kind of get something in my head and I go no, this is really important
Yeah, I tend to kind of I tend to kind of until I've seen evidence to support otherwise
I tend to be like this about it and the fashion team has been pushing me for a long time. They're like look
The shrinking doesn't matter that much because as hold on hold on because as long as we have proper care instructions
People should follow the care hold on
People should follow the care instructions and then they won't have any issues as long as they as long as they wash cold and
And lie flat to dry. They're not gonna have any concerns and you know what we will do garments
Occasionally sure that really do need to be treated, but hold on hold it hold hold. Please hold please
We will do garments occasionally if they if there's a particular reason there's a particular fit
Or feel that we're trying for and there's just absolutely no other way to do it
That require proper care, but in general I always tell the team
I'm like look if it can't be hooked into the washer on warm and
Hucked into the dryer. We can't ship it to our audience
And so I got to send them one of my most fun emails in a long time when I was like hey
Did you guys see we killed it on the shrinking which is also good by the way for the longevity of the print?
We killed it on the shrinking
Because we insist on pre-shrinking sometimes we multiple times
pre-wash and pre-shrink are our base materials before we construct our garments
So we killed it Because I keep insisting on this and I couldn't help noticing that Todd for his test
Hucked all the t-shirts in the washer on warm and a hooked them all in the dryer
Once again Linus is lazy and it saves the day and they I got an immediate email back like oh, I was cringing so hard
My I've been informed that things that I have have
Washing instructions on labels that I've never read before and I've just basically been like well, we'll see what happens
Cuz like I'm not I just even if I treat it correctly the time someone tells me the next time it goes through
It's just gonna be in the laundry hamper. I'm gonna toss the whole laundry hamper in the thing
If if doing the laundry takes if doing like a load of laundry
Just putting in the washer then putting the dryer takes more than just picking up as much clothes as I can and shoving it in all at once
I'm not gonna do it. Yeah Fun2 says line is so proud to stingy rules. This is not stinginess
We pay extra to make sure that our garments can handle being treated the way that I treat my
Garments because he knows a lot of the audience is probably going to treat it that way
And I bet you well over 50% of this audience would treat it that way. Yeah, so like like it was really important to wear test
These cargo pants. So these are launching really soon. We actually
We have the stock. Oh We just haven't launched yet
These are launching really soon. I'm really excited But one of the things that we wanted to see because they will fade this material will fade
But we wanted to make sure that they were gonna fade with like a nice patina. So Tynan's been wearing them constantly
Andrew has been wearing them constantly. I've been wearing them constantly We've been beating the crap out of these cargo pants
And there's a few things we found like the magnet for the flap detached in mine. So we made sure we reinforce that
That's why you got a wear test. Yeah, that's why if you are if you are a company leader and you don't use your company's products
You're flying blind. Yeah, you're absolutely flying blind because the people who are gonna notice these problems
They don't have the voice to affect change. You got to notice them for yourself. So so we got that changed anyway
So speaking of patina these are now covered in chlorine stains
They've like faded out just from being washed many times. I've got blood stains on them right now
I'll explain my ARM and the blood stains on my pants. I had a thing happen yesterday
I'm still wearing these from yesterday. Whatever. Don't judge me. I'm on vacation this week
Anyway, what are what are their pants right you change your underwear? You're all good. Yeah, exactly exactly, right?
Yeah, yeah, I mean I've worn a fresh underwear every day. So whatever
Anyway store.com underwear very excited about these these are coming soon
I'll TT store.com. I forget the point that I was getting up, but we're not it's not about cheeping out. It's about
designing for You know the gamer lifestyle, you know, I I think you know the typical gamer should be applauded for washing their clothes at all
Let alone proper care instructions. I got to set my expectations at a reasonable level for y'all. Yeah
See I've attended enough land parties now
That I know I know my people, okay, I know especially as well if if it was like notably communicated on the website
While I was buying a product that there was special care instructions. I just wouldn't buy it
Like straight up because I would be like oh well, I'll ruin that so I might as well just go for someone else
And there are other options, right? So it's like I don't know why deal with the one that I know I'm going to ruin
Speaking of garments from LTT Store.com. I'm actually not sure if you guys have clued into this one yet
Let's see if it's one of the oh, yeah, it's one of the top-selling products today. All right
We're gonna show this while we explain merch messages Merch messages are the way to interact with the show they go to producer Dan who's gonna pop your merch message
Down there. Yeah, exactly exactly down there or reply to it himself or forward it internally or
Curate it for me and Luke to talk about and to send a merch message
You don't want to send any twitch bits or any super chats like that You want to send merch messages so that in addition to throwing money at your screen and you know chatting with Dan or putting up a
Post on the bottom of the on the bottom of the show You can also get high quality merchandise in the mail and I'm very excited to announce the hotfix
You want to throw one on yes, I just I wanted to check on the scribe driver and just found that it is yet again
Entirely sold out. Yeah, how fast do you think was gonna happen? I knew but I think it was three or four days this time
Yeah, 10,000 pins wasn't it? Yeah, okay this is
Yours is there. Oh, this is the hotfix patch
Hoodie this one's fun when you order you will get one of three patches here
I'm just gonna do Linus cam for a second here So there are three different patches that could be stitched onto our iconic tie-dye hoodie that we debuted last year during
LTX
There's about a 95% chance that you're going to get a when-show inspired patch
Which is the one that Luke and I are wearing right now. Oh one moment, please
Hold on
Technical difficulties
This might be a little hot for today, but we'll see how it goes. Ah, yes a
95% chance that you will get a when inspired patch like this
Or oh, there's a 5% chance that you will get the elusive
breadsaurus patch. Oh Oh
It says oh what and a point one percent chance that you will get the ultra rare purple
Breadsaurus. Oh, we don't have one to show physically. So the store will be the best way to show it
These hoodies are individually tie-died not printed. So you'll always get a unique pattern
They're available now on lttstore.com and limited quantities at LMG dot GG slash hotfix
You know, it's really these come already on or you have to affix them
No, these come already on okay, and we know that you know what?
They could be like they could seem a little bit more, you know attached more better
We know But basically the reason they're called the hotfix and this is actually funny because I
People are pointing out what you figured out how to get loot box mechanics onto the store. I mean, this isn't the first time
What do you got? We do have mystery products. We literally okay. Yeah, we've got mystery products
Yeah, nice, dude. Be what are they whether they admitted or not whether they know it or not people people love loot box stuff
This sweater not technically the one with the patch, but it's the same sweater
It is hold on hold on. No, I'm okay. Go ahead and I'll be right back. I'll be right back
It's extremely comfy and it's the sweater that I keep at work for that reason. I
Like it very much the dropout hoodie is also extremely comfy all of our sort is hard
But those ones in particular, but I find this one. This one's like a little bit a little bit lighter. I think
Yeah, I want to steal the bread source one you could probably get it from I think he has to probably be murdered
Don't even know
Oh
The other Spurl could streams over Thanks, look, I'll put it on the list
Oh good timing
Yeah, so that's uh, what is that? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so
Oh, yeah, on my week off the team yells at me whenever I wear this because whenever I wear it on camera because you can't buy it
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so when I'm on my time off This is the hoodie I was wearing because they're so comfy that I specifically took off so that I could come in and do when show in
Something. Oh, actually I'm wearing an LTX t-shirt anyway
So that I could come and do when show we're sure that was never on sale. Whatever the
The staff LTX
This is too warm for me to wear right now especially when I was running over there right now, but the point is it's a great hoodie
Here's how would it looks like? Extremely well worn. Yeah, you also have to remember that all all the dyes are individual
So some of this white I suspect was already probably there
Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you see a little bit on this one Yeah, no, no, that's that's just part of the that's just part of the the tie-dye
Linus has more on the back of his shoulder and stuff like that on his yeah, okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah
Yeah, it's such a cool hoodie you guys anyway
The reason the patches are gigantic and like kind of weird is because they're covering
We had a batch of these where the LTX was printed at an angle
Our printers really do you remember this now? Yes, I do our printers really good, but he
You know what I'm gonna call it a team fail Because he didn't notice we didn't notice and we ended up with an entire
batch of hoodies for LTX that had the LTX at an angle that was unacceptable I
Made the call it was a painful call, but we basically redid it
So people in full plan chat are already planning on on removing the patches so they can have LTX sweaters
I wouldn't do that. I believe they use
Like a wax or whatever you're not gonna want to do that you're gonna end up you're gonna end up with an even bigger patch on it
To cover up the mess that you make when you remove this patch
Do not do that. Okay. Good, but that's why the patches are like so awkwardly kind of big because this is cover it
It's the hot fix. Yeah, that makes sense. It's a it's a we're just pet. We're patching in a fix. Yeah
So anyway, yeah guys check out the hot fix patch hoodie. It's a really nice hoodie for 60 bucks
Whoa, yeah, all that red there. I think it's really cool that they unique. Yep. Oh, yeah
No, it's real tie-dye which costs more, you know, because that's how we roll, baby
Some of them have a really cool pattern. Some of them have really not quite as cool patterns, but still really cool patterns
So there's the there's the elusive the legendary rare breadsaurus patch. Yeah. Yep
All right, I'm so sorry. I'm gonna have to take this off though because I am I probably won't be able to keep it on for the
Absolutely dying. I'll do what I can. I didn't go for a run. So oh
Oh Okay, I will maybe I will maybe put it back on but dude. I am I am sweating
Merch messages then so if you place an order on the store in the cart
You'll get a little box that pops up You can leave a merge message and it'll it'll go to us and Dan can show you guys kind of how it works
It'll he'll curate a few merge messages for us here. What do we got Dan? Yeah, sure. I actually have one that's on topic
Let's see. Hi. Are you are you implying that normally? I am not on topic
No, normally normally the merge messages are not on topic what you were just talking about
So I'm blaming our audience is their fault. Hi. Congrats on the good project farm rating
I've been interested in shirts printed with discharge ink. Are there any major concerns or major cons to the process?
It seems like nothing from LTT Store uses it
What I'm gonna be honest with you
What's that? We use what our printer
Uses he has a lot of experience I think you guys saw on the project farm video that our our print quality is extremely high
So whatever we use is what he uses and I tend to be the kind of person where if my experts tell me something
Then you know I ask some questions about it
but I I tend to I tend to not believe that I
Know best when it comes to like I've realized this is a little bit contradictory because I just said that I argue with my fashion team
About like care instructions and whatever else, but that's me knowing the customer. That's different. Yeah, yeah
When it comes to them telling me, okay, well with all of your design guidelines in mind. Here's what you use. I
Gotta defer right I gotta I gotta trust my experts and if my experts grew up enough times well then you know
We have to we have to have a tough conversation, right? But at the end of the day, I am not a screen printing expert
All I know is that our quality is outstanding which I have observed for myself and we just and which I have heard from our
Customers one project farm and which we just one project farms round up for so I know this and so if Marco says
Hey, here's what I'm gonna use. I say yes, sir
You want you want to know something I thought was pretty interesting about the the project farms thing is it was like
Kind of what I would expect
Like most of when he when he like showed all the shirts he was gonna test
I was like, yeah, I like kind of expect that one's gonna end there. It wasn't exactly
I was off on a few of them But like and I didn't do exact proper wrote it down guesses, but like things performed about what you would expect
It's On the one hand, there's a lot of details
But on the other hand, it's not that hard to like pick up a garment and go. Oh, yeah, this is like
Not a quality garment or or it is
I just think a lot of people are not really used to it and don't have an eye for it and like that dude
I see so many comments from people being like, oh, yeah I never really cared about shirts and then like I bought from one from LTT and then I immediately bought the four pack online day
And now that's just like what I wear now. Yeah, because it's I don't know. It's nice and it's such a
Compared to socks, for example shirts are so easy to treat yourself once and then have really nice shirts like like t-shirts basically forever
like I I wear the wrap out of my rotation of shirts and
They last a really long time like I wear through even really high quality socks
I'll wear through them pretty quickly just because of badminton, but
Man shirts, they can last a really long time when they don't suck. So to me, it's a pretty it's a pretty reasonable
Investment I'm surprised we don't have white blanks. I
Can explain that please do We target a very light
Wearing shirt and you actually probably saw that in the project farm roundup. There were some that were heavier
Heavier does not necessarily mean more quality. It does it could indicate could but it doesn't necessarily
And it comes with trade-offs so we live in a in a temperate
Climate and we also sort of philosophically will layer up as opposed to like wear a heavier
T-shirt, I guess and so our shirts are designed to be highly breathable
Really lightweight a little bit stretchy to be a bit more
Accommodating of different body types and those are things that are not necessarily the easiest thing to achieve with a heavier fabric
we also really like the way our shirt hangs and
That's something that you tend to lose with a heavier fabric as well because the weight is weight
It's literal weight and so it will pull and it will tend to fit a little bit tighter at the top
And it'll tend to bunch up more at the bottom Another reason that oh what what does that have to do with it being white? I'm getting to that
Okay, so our light shirts in white
Would be very friendly. Ah
We did experiment with a heavier shirt
That makes sense yeah a heavier a heavier all-cotton
white shirt Like all the colored blanks and then separately the white blanks
Yeah, I forget why we ultimately killed it, but we decided that we're not gonna have a white shirt
Oh, okay, so you're not even gonna do like a different version of it The reason we didn't start with a white shirt because you would think a plain white shirt is literally the vanilliest of places to start is
because Whenever I get a white shirt it takes me about a month to have a pasta stain on it and I figured
We are kin right Do you guys really want a white shirt? It's the same reason we don't make white mouse pads
Yeah, Sarah talked me into doing one special edition light colored mouse pad once the GPU wasteland one and
Within I think a couple of months of her daily aing it. She was like I get it
We're never doing a white mouse pad again I was like you better believe it because it was like it had like coffee stains everywhere and stuff and Sarah's not even
She's not a slobby person like I've literally
Spent time in her workspace literally spent time in in her home like we've socially hung out
She's not a slob or anything. It just happens man. Yeah, especially you got like you got pets and all that exactly right stuff happens
And so pet things sometimes. Yeah, man. We we don't oh, yeah, so here's here's the cotton shirt
I don't believe we're restocking it But apparently we do we do have it
But that's why it's on a separate page because it had to be a hundred percent cotton for some reason and then it had to be
It had to be thicker. Yeah, there you go. So that is literally just what we do
220 GSM compared to 165 and so from watching that video that means this one will shrink, right?
This one pre it will but it's pre shrunk. Yeah, okay. It'll shrink more than our regular one, right?
But probably not that much. Mm-hmm. Sorry. This entire show has just turned into like garment discussion
That really wasn't my intention. I never really cared and then I watched the project farm video and now I'm like hmm
All these like little pieces of I I have learned a lot in the last five years
Um, this is getting to be too hot. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, it's it's one of those things like when Gerald undone came for the studio tour
and like the team had like Prepped him. I guess they were just like making fun of me
But they had prepped him that like I only know computers. I'm not going to know anything about cameras
So his part of his shtick for the tour was that he was going to like
Gotcha me on like not knowing, you know lenses and cameras and and capture
Utilities and you know media and stuff like that and halfway through the tour
He was like, this isn't even fun because you like know everything and it's just like, yeah, the thing is you can't
I don't believe that as a as a leader
You can make intelligent decisions If you don't ask questions and if you don't listen to the answers
Like how am I supposed to have an intelligent argument with my team about something like video frame rate?
If I don't understand their perspective Because the best way to win an argument is to open with here's your perspective
That I can demonstrate that I understand Now let me share an alternative viewpoint because if people don't feel like they've been heard
The first thing they're gonna think about as soon as you present an alternate viewpoint is yeah, but mine. Yeah, but mine
Yeah, but mine and they can't listen Someone can't listen while they are trying to formulate what they want to say
And I'm not gonna say nobody can do that, you know, I'm sure that very brilliant people can do that or even you know
Significantly above average people can do that, but most people
It's really difficult and that difficulty is elevated
Especially if the conversation has some emotional component to it like say for example
Someone were to have like a very very strong emotional feeling about Android
Say for example that were the case If someone were to come out and say something that challenged some of their preconceived notions about the Android ecosystem
I don't think they would be capable of hearing what that person is saying
before responding to it and
I mean, that's not a particularly Hypothetical example here. Um, did you get a chance to watch that video by the way? I did not the stock Android sucks video
That caused such an uproar in the community this week
Um, I had some I had some really funny exchanges with chewy our community manager because
He is he has done some community management in the past. Um, I think for like subreddits and stuff like that
but in terms of the size Of our community and like youtube comments and just how um, how unfiltered everything is he's
Almost on like a bi-weekly basis encountering some fresh hell
Um, and the comments on that video. I'm so happy. That's not what I do
Particularly stood out to him. He would be said he'd just be like pinging me because I was on vacation this week
Anyway, so he'd be like pinging me. He's going like um
What percentage of the video do you think this guy watched?
Yeah, and I understand I understand why some people were
Were upset about it. It's because they already know
They already know that you know pixel os and
one ui and Lineage os and all of these different versions of Android are different versions of Android
And that stock Android in the way that we might have traditionally thought of it
Doesn't exist anymore. And so for them, it's very obvious that pixel os is stock
My name was talking about that So they know I get it like some of the most upset comments I got were from people that started with I I've been an Android developer for five years and
Right But all you had to do was go down into the comments
A little bit past the people who were super mad about it
Or even In the conversations under the people who were super mad about it and see the people saying I didn't know this
Which were there I looked through the comments I I didn't watch the video, but I did read the comments
So believe it or not not every video is for every person
And if you already knew that a osp has degraded to the point where it's basically unusable and it and by design
And by design it's not meant to be used But there were times when it was far more usable and when stock Android really did mean
As close to a osp as possible Whereas now
The entire point of the video was that when we say stock Android
That doesn't have a clearly defined meaning anymore because stock Android a osp a gsi a generic system image
In the way that it exists now Is not really something that is designed to be run
many of those stock applications are degraded to the point where
They are not really usable In a in in the way that we would think of you know a modern phone as being usable
And that's because the expectation is that well samsung is just going to replace it
And xiaomi is going to replace it and even we here at google are just going to replace it anyway
So who cares?
But that was the conversation Because i've been told a lot of times that i don't even know what stock Android is because i'll complain about something to do with a phone
And people will be like well line is that stock Android?
And i'll kind of and so what i wanted to answer for myself was okay
Well, what exactly is stock Android and it turns out it doesn't really exist almost nothing
And what's really funny is as far as i can tell it's a really similar crowd that was yelling at me about it both ways
Because when i am complaining about
you know google's skin or
sony's skin They'll shriek at me
Well, that's a stock Android behavior And then when i pull out stock Android and i go okay. Well, how do things work here? They'll go well. No one's meant to use it like that
Well
Okay, so either no one's meant to use this and i'm allowed to attack anybody
Be they fair phone or sony or samsung or google for the way they they integrate their skin integrate stock Android into their custom skin
Or you can have it the other way you can't you can't have both
you Either i'm allowed to criticize these custom skins in any way that i want because they don't have a function that i feel is
important and necessary Or or
You have to accept that that's the stock Android is stock Android
That's it. Do you think it would be i genuinely don't know what the law around this kind of stuff is do you think it would be possible for google to
Restrict Android and become the only manufacturer
I don't think so because it's like it's a osp right like it's someone could just fork it then
Like it's open source at its very at its very core. What if they abandoned a osp?
Um, I don't foresee it. I don't foresee it either. I'm just wondering like it's an interesting play
I think it's possible Like pixels
I really wonder what pixel market share is. I don't think it's very high
No And that's the that's the other funny one is the pixel owners
You can pick them out a mile away because to them pixel os is obviously stock Android even though it is
Full of google specific features Absolutely, um and tweaks that don't necessarily exist on other Android devices
um and That you couldn't even say is like like Android like the normal Android as you might consider it to be because pixel os has
Tiny market share compared to something like one ui. It's not even close
All right, so let's see the bitman in full pen chat said google is functionally doing that with google play services and the
In notification of gsi slash a osp. I don't necessarily agree because if i'm a samsung
I don't actually want google to do all that much with a osp. I just want
The baseline stuff to be really good
And then I want them to get out of the way so that I can make my own things for differentiation reasons
um, I don't want a fully Feature fat a osp because then there's less differentiation between vendors
um the what-of-what um in Floatplane chat says nexus is more a osp than pixel
And that is doesn't exist. That is a perfect example of the kinds of comments that we got
Endlessly on that video that were literally things we said in the video
We talked about how going back to google's old phones. They were closer
But even then they weren't stock Android and this and it's it's
deviated farther and further as time's gone on the number of people that were enraged
Clarifying something in the comments that was literally in the video was
Mind-blowing on this one like even for me so I talked about how chewy has a little less experience with this stuff than I do
Even I looked at this one and I went are you even for real right now?
The people that still deeply care about phones these days with the amount of years of
Incredibly uninteresting launches that we've had is going to be some
Some passionate people and I think part of it is that you know some folks and you know again
I I I know my community. There's a reason that
There's a reason we vibe, you know I think some of it is just not picking up on social cues
Like that one person wrote a long impassioned
Um thing about how I completely misunderstood
My point that I was trying to make or whatever it is they were trying to say and at the end they go
And I can't believe that over this Linus is going to iphone
I'm just gonna Bro, it's it's showmanship. I'm just
Like he's so incompetent. He can't She can't even use a pixel normally. He puts a gsi on it like an idiot and then he goes to iphone because it's bad
What an idiot it's like
My job is to be a tech reviewer If I don't use an iphone once in a while. I'm not doing a very good job and like the iphone is fine
It's fine and the pixel is fine. Everything's fine. Probably had a really hard day
Yeah, all right
Shrath 2k said every comment should have a timestamp attached for when they made their comment
I've actually suggested that to youtube multiple times
One of the things I've also suggested to youtube is stamp and like percentage of video watch both separately
Allowing creators to gait Comments based on a required percentage of video watched
Because I think I would probably gait ours at around 75 percent if you haven't watched most of the video
I really don't see how you deserve to be posting a comment on it. I feel like there should maybe be a cap on that though
Like you should I don't think you should be able to set it at actually 100 percent of the video
No, because especially if google is going to implement their own
Like intro block and sponsor segment blocks, which we're going to be talking about a little bit later
premium Is now getting like skip most often skip segments
As a as a button. Whoa. Yeah, so I believe they're trialing that I don't think it's fully rolled out, but um
You're not going to be able to require people to watch 100 of the video
But from my perspective if you've watched 10 of this video if you've watched the intro
and you're angry Then I don't need to see I don't need to see your irrational anger and it is irrational at that point
You haven't you haven't taken the time to even hear the argument like if you want to watch youtube shorts
You want to watch one minute content by all means go watch that go do that somewhere else. Yeah
This is long form content. Yeah, we have a beginning a middle and an end and until you've actually consumed
A fair enough portion of it. You're not really in a position to to comment on it. Um, so I definitely have
a lot of thoughts About how the comment section could become a little bit less chaotic and a little bit less toxic
I'd also like to see better tools for us to to moderate those
For example, one of the things that I'm going to be asking for in addition to being able to shadow ban a user
Is I want to be able to shadow ban anyone who thumbsed up that user
One fell swoop. Well, and if we see something that is particularly toxic like say for example
You know some kind of hate speech Yeah, that you're just done. Yeah
Why am I if if I just because 500 people upvoted something doesn't make it valid
If somebody's dropping inwards and people are thumbsing it up. I'd be very happy to shout about all them
Yep, that's the like scenario that I came up with. Yeah, or I mean something as stupid as uh, why does adam have painted nails?
all he's gay Who cares?
You're done You and your entire punk-ass crew are all done from my point of view, right? Is there any way to even see
on As a creator on youtube. Is there any way to see who the people that like something?
No, and I don't need to I don't care who they are. They're irrelevant
You just want to be able to shadow ban them. Yep. I just want to be able to
Much more easily get rid of them. Uh, josh 420 says I feel a lot of creators would abuse such a tool
Who cares and you know what? That's rough. Um
Go watch someone else's content. There is like actually practically infinite other things that you could do if that creator is banning
You just get out of there And and in uh, yeah, I mean voting with your feet is not a bad thing
But I do see their point like if someone was feet. Yeah by just walking away. Okay. Yeah, if someone was if someone was
Say for example going through like uh, I mean I I hate to bring up, you know
Like underage controversies, you know, so a bunch of youtubers. Yeah, right?
So if they're just shadow banning anyone who they can do that anyways
Like they already have that functionality. I guess that's true. We're just making it less work
Yeah, well, no, I'm saying in regards to the person who's saying
Uh, they might abuse that it's like, yeah, they can already delete whatever the heck they want
They can already set up scripts that will delete things that reference certain words
Like it's uh, they already have all of these tools. I guess that's true. Like there's no
That that's why I said who cares is because it's already fully abusable
Our top gear asks banned from viewing or just having their comment scene just having their comment scene. Yeah
Yeah, that's it and dark 24 says shadow banning to me is ridiculous
If you moderate a extremely open tens of thousands of potentially millions of users platform
I think extremely quickly you will not Your opinion will shift. Yeah, I can understand how if you haven't done that
I fully understand and used to believe the same. I was very against it when we talked about the setup for the forum
For example, the the main rule for the forum originally was that you could attack
Linus and myself But nobody else there was no shadow banning
There was only full banning and it was like kind of hard to get banned
And then the user base grew and grew and grew and grew and grew and grew and more bad actors started noticing
Oh, wow, the rules here are pretty light. Let me just go around and like wreck everyone's day for no reason
And it's like oh, wow, okay The ultimate answer is that a lot they're not a lot actually a subset of people really suck
And they will find ways to just
Be annoying in as many ways as they possibly can and it actually doesn't take a ton
To ban those people out and then the quality of the
Conversation the quality of the people all that kind of stuff skyrockets because the amount of
Impact that this small group of people has is actually enormous
I'm already seeing a different difference in our comment. I'm not surprised at all like the the I wonder if one of the reasons that that
A osp video stood out to me was because our comment section has actually been really good quite a bit better lately. Yeah
um Interesting. Yeah, I didn't really think about that this one like did kind of blow up outside of our of our usual sphere
And that's always sort of uh, where you see those sort of spikes and ignorant takes where people are coming in out of nowhere
Yeah, um, you know off of some random subreddit. They're not even watching the video
They're just seeing someone else's summary that was inaccurate and then there's a
Oh, that's the worst thing. Yeah Ian X mess in Philippine chat said I would rather full ban over shadow banning. That's just me though
So the one of the big reasons why you want to shadow ban is because the not if you know, this user is like definitely just
bad actor By banning you're communicating to them that they're banned. Yeah takes
Roughly 30 seconds to make another account. It's a free platform. They'll just go boop and then they're back
Yeah, so you you don't want to communicate that they're banned because then they work around it and it's like
Extremely obvious and extremely easy to work around it
And notably satisfying to those users to work around it because they know
That they just took your time to go through and ban these comments
They know that they just wasted your time They know that you think that it worked and then you're going to go in and do even worse things now
Knowing that this is the tool that they're going to use and it's extremely ineffective
Yep Shadow banning is actually amazing like here's an example of
Someone who's going to be shadow banned forever and doesn't deserve to know that they were banned
Um, this guy says what's up with the star of david free palestine
There's a comment replying to them
Go ahead and read it. I believe that is a board for chinese checkers
They were referring to the chinese checkers board that I have on my wall in my basement
That's amazing. I didn't understand at all. What that was supposed to tell us
The line is for show me the comment. I was just like is this like AI generated or like what's happening
Okay, let me that is an example of just I'm sorry, but you're too stupid to have an opinion on our videos anymore
Like you're done bud. So this is a this is a chinese checker board. Um, it was funny
I saw I saw a couple of really good conversations on reddit actually about this video
Where someone was like, look, I'm one of the ones that's always getting after Linus about, you know, talking about
Comments and like haters and stuff, but this video has opened my eyes
Yeah to the kind of you don't get it until you get 50,000 comments every day completely irrational and unnecessary
Bullsh**. I will say I will say
Sometimes Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, you dive real deep. I know and real dark
You bring extra air tanks and you find those
Buried treasures comments and you let them get to you
I don't think this was that case. Sure, but it does happen sometimes. That's fair
Um, and my exposure to it is extremely high. Yes
But I guess you know when I'm talking about those outliers
It's because I have also experienced these sort of rushes of stupidity
Yeah, um, and I know that every one of those that I just
Take down over time. I actually prefer now that there's an active process to it
I think before when you were just passively observing and taking all of that in I think it was worse
Even now I think sometimes, you know, maybe
It can be a little much at times. Um, because you dive real deep into stuff
But Yeah The um, would you implement auto shadow ban on Floatplane? We have no auto banning on Floatplane the religious symbol in question
Yeah That's a game board aren't there other game boards next to it that should have given it away not on the same wall
Oh, okay. Yeah, it doesn't matter. You just like what are you talking about?
Like what are you talking about calm down? Relax
Calm down the world is the world is f***ed up enough without like, you know, not being able to calm down a little bit, you know
Yeah
Anyway, so yeah chewy is chewy went from I think being very light moderation minded to
Nowadays no, it's needed like if anything he's the hammer. Yeah, like
He's just like no dude. I get it now. It makes I get it now
Because Think about how stupid
Okay, okay, you went to you went to high school, right? You know, most of most of you watching probably went to high school
What an accusation. So you you probably how dare you?
You probably had somewhere between 500 and a thousand people in your school
Okay, so think about there was some absolute
Think about the five to ten biggest complete f*** wits in your high school
The lack of drama the lack of actual physical fighting and all this other kind of stuff that would happen with the removal of those five people
Yeah, totally. It's almost always a very small percentage of the population
but But when you have 14 million people then it's a lot of people
It's tens of thousands and 14 million people that has a constant somewhat amount of churn
You have new people coming in all the time You have some people leaving all the time
And then you have to try to figure out how to deal with this And there's there's a part of the internet that is just going to kind of float around and try to create problems
Floatplane chat is so unhappy. They're like, don't bring me back to that trauma
There were 400 in mine. But imagine how much better or not bad that trauma would have been
If certain people could have been removed. It could have been ground up into food
Soilet Soilet green everyone's useful. Yes, we will take the hate and turn it into fuel
guys Hey, it's a little further than shadow banning. Uh-huh
Okay, um, I gotta get a shadow ban from this job
Guys Okay, the last thing before we do these merge messages that we're supposed to do
Scrapyard Wars season 9 finale Coming very very soon on Floatplane for early access. Who will win tune in to find out
We had a ton of fun with the judges and we're excited to share the culmination of everyone's hard work on the series
It's over 40 minutes long So it is the longest part of the series here
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They have their own massive giveaway still running and you can score some great prizes like the jawa edition LTT screwdriver
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But act fast because time is running out
Um, I watched it today. How's it? It's really good. Nice. It's really good. It's
Very chaotic. There's a lot of energy. Yeah, because unlike some of the past ones. It's not just judgment day
Like you were running out doing stuff. Oh, yeah, I was running around doing stuff
Like and the fact that it comes down to literally the last second. I mean getting the rigs built
I think one of my drop-offs was like
Within an hour or something of when we had to present like it was it was close
We have this this happens a lot with scrapyard wars Which like makes me want to believe in reality tv more
But then I just still know it's not real where like the the like screwdrivers down point in scrapyard wars is always a point in time
When we're still working But I think that's just because we just never have even sort of enough time philosophically. I just um
I'm against faking it. I'm against that like I'd rather have a boring video or make no video than fake a competition
We threw away a Channel Super Fun at some point because it just like
Yeah, it was Fake there's some like like we had to it was rather it was boring to make it interesting. It would have had to be fake
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah There's some do it for the content stuff
Where like maybe you make a decision that isn't exactly decision that you would normally make but you're doing it for the content
But that doesn't mean it's fake. Yeah, like I don't mind putting us in situations
Where interesting stuff might happen. Sure Yeah, it's kind of like the whole dropping thing
Linus, are you actually clumsy if I need to be care? I've never dropped a child
Like if I need to be careful with something I can absolutely not drop it
But you know for the lulls do I allow myself to carry a little bit too much?
Willy won'ty willy won'ty, you know when I'm on camera. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's just part of the it's part of the character
It's part of the fun And it's always funny to see like long time viewers. Hold on one sec. Sorry. I gotta go back to this dark 24 said
Just think if we eliminated everyone we did not like or everything we did not like the world would be boring and not sustainable
Yeah, that's not what we're doing Yeah
So we're good. Yeah, it's just if there is no part of the rules that will get you shadow banned that is disagreeing with us
Yeah Or even really like
Being a little bit mean. Yeah Yeah, but if you're gonna get enraged
About a chinese checkers board. We don't need that energy. We don't need it
We don't need it if you ask. Hey, is that that?
That's totally fine. Completely fine asking questions always allowed. No problem making up a transgression
Getting angry about it and acting out go f*** yourself. See you later. Yep
Not cool Not cool. You know what is cool is finally letting Dan read these merge messages to us. Did we do one?
Yeah, I think you did one. Nice. Who knows?
Nice
Uh, okay. Yeah, let's see. What do we have? Hello, lld. I worked at geek squad and have some wild customer stories like a customer wrapping a hard drive in aluminum foil to
Not get hacked on the way out any crazy stories from any of you. Yes
Yes, I keep forgetting to tell this story. Oh
there is one time where
one time in my life When I was like an adult because I mean my brother was around and saved me when I was a kid
But there was one time in my life when I was adult where I needed
Another like man to like physically protect me and it was when I worked at geek squad
I don't even know if I fully told you this. I don't think I've heard this story
I think I might have but it was a long long time ago So I worked at geek squad and something that I did that was bad
Was every once in a while when people would come in and they would talk about needing websites
Like they would need a website to get made you didn't I would definitely offer my services outside of geek squad. Oh my goodness. Do you have a kid? I don't have any money
Me like nothing. I'm getting it done. And this wasn't a service that they offered. Yeah. I mean, yeah
You can't get a website made by Best Buy. So anyways, look, I'm not saying what you should or shouldn't have done
I'm just saying Geek squad geek squad probably wouldn't have liked it. Oh, no, not at all. That's all I'll say extremely against the rules
Yeah, that's all I'll say. It's been a long time. It's probably fine. Um
Anyways, so I I had a few different contacts. Hold on
Nerdy in Floatplane chess says I know a guy
His name's duke Amazing
He probably could have handled it. I added the second part. Um, I I yeah
And there's so I had a few clients that went through there and it was always it was always good and then
One dude came in and I was like, okay. Yeah, let's do it. We met
To to figure out this was outside of work with just him and I at some restaurant to like figure out the details over the thing
I ended up figuring out that it was like a
The world is ending website thing
Yeah, 2012 2012 man. Yeah, we're just gonna end in 2012 and he wanted me to do it for free
Because he was like, this is your contribution to like the cause or whatever
and I was like, no like
Doing this because I am an extremely broke child because I was still working at Geek Squad
so I was like actually a teenager still um
and This guy ended up stalking me for a while quite legitimately because he decided at some point in his head that I was the only person who could do this
And he was like the world's gonna end. We need to get the the word out and this is the only person who can do it
um And he would come into like
The the best buy that I worked at and like watch me
from far away And we just kind of dealt with it for a while because he wasn't actually really doing anything
And then one time he like tried to get into the Geek Squad back room
and one of the like more senior
um Did the in-home work? I don't know what they're actually called
But they're like the higher level Geek Squad technicians that I was working with in like the suit and stuff that like looked cool
Physically removed him from the store for me and that was really freaking cool. And I remember thinking like
This feels weird Because like I feel like I should be able to do this. But at that point in time, I'm not touching this dude
I don't want to go anywhere near him. I'm mostly like creeped out
It's not like a physical challenge for me at this time. And then
guardian angel guy came in Swooped him out of the store and made it very clear that he should never come back
And the dude never came back and it was great And that was probably
One of the many craziest things that happened when I worked at Geek Squad there was like one issue where
We used to have the monitors like if this is so Geek Squad when I worked there
Um, one of the times that I worked there there was a public like window
Into the Geek Squad back area So there was a cut out. It wasn't a window. It was a it was a cut out
So you could come up to like the service desk thing and basically like look into the service desk area
You could put your computer through the window, etc. They're called CIA agents. Yeah, that's right
I don't remember what it stood for but anyways um
And the monitors for the computers that we would work on were against this wall
Assuming the Windows here so you could see them and it happened more than once where people's screen savers
Defaulted to their like local folders or whatever which would have photos of them and their partners doing things
Um, so eventually the precinct is what they called it was redesigned so that
Uh customers wouldn't see back there And it wasn't because we were like trying to hide what we were doing quite legitimately is because we were trying to
Hide what you were doing. Um, anyways
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That's an uncomfortable visual
Go team. Oh also, I wasn't the one who found it but we
aided the police one time in Arresting someone who had cp on their computer brought into me face. Yeah
Speaking of the police I was reading in the news that there was a counterfeit phone bust
like hundreds of phones in like maple orage or something and
Like the investigation was ongoing for a while. I would guess with that many devices
There's some level of organization in this operation And so I reached out to a buddy who works in admin at the rcmp and I was like, hey
I know this is sort of unconventional Like, you know evidence lockers and stuff like that, but can I get some of these phones?
Uh, and can we do like a collaborative thing where
Awareness can be Yeah, we talk about sort of, you know
How what how you can identify these devices how these networks work
You guys obviously want some attention on this on this bust because like I read an article about it
So clearly you guys want people looking at this thing So I think, you know, we can help each other out here because I think that has a lot of relevance to my audience
And I heard back nothing's for sure But they are a high level of interested in working together and they may be able to get us at least one device
So that we can kind of talk through You know
Are they the exact same as anyone's getting on aliexpress? Are they stolen are they modified like what are we what are we looking at here?
What kinds of phones are because for me a big part of it is how does the scam work?
Yeah, yeah, because a lot of the stuff on aliexpress a fake iphone or whatever. It's pretty obvious
It's not an iphone from the second you touch it. So like
What's the scam here? And so it'd be really cool to hear from people who have actually, you know worked with the victims and stuff like that and
I think I think it'd be a pretty cool. I think it'd be a pretty cool video
Dr. O says not sure if it's legal, but you should be dressed as rcmp in that video
Definitely not legal. Yeah, I I will not be doing that
But but if I could get funny if you had like a fake cop like I could get in a cop car or something
Oh, you know, I'd be I'd be down. I've never been in a cop car. They should put you in a jail cell
Um, that'd be a really good intro. Yeah is like they probably slamming it shut on me. Yeah, so
Let me see what they're able and willing to do
But I think that this is a really cool opportunity
For them to get some eyes on some of the work that they do that isn't you know
Some of the things that they do And you know, maybe an opportunity for us to tell them what's important to us and say hey
This is actually something really important that you guys are doing do more of it
You know, maybe everyone maybe there can be good vibes and good messages here is all I'm trying to say. Yeah
um Cool. No, I've never actually been handcuffed stuck in. Yeah, I mean either my head is stuck in trying to imagine
The intro to that video. Maybe that should be my next phone
Uh after the iphone. Yeah, there's no, I don't think I'll get to keep it
Um, like there's also concerns about like what's on the phone. Yeah, I'll just be borrowing it. I'll be borrowing it. Yeah
All right, uh, what do we want to talk about next AMD has walked back some of their unrealistic Ryzen 9 000 benchmarks
Um, they have retracted some performance claims after independent benchmarks fell short of those rosy numbers
And I got to say excuse me. Sorry. I think that this is a big part of the more positive tone that we took in our video
I didn't look at their pre-release benchmark claims
I didn't look at any of it. I don't care. What's
Do I talk about that? So all I looked at was our testing
And I was like, oh, okay. Well, there some of the complications in the testing that we did was because
We compared our numbers to theirs Interesting and then we were like, oh, do we need to like retest stuff?
We got in contact with them trying to figure what was going on, etc, etc
And then through enough like retesting and stuff. We were like, well,
It is what it is. Yeah, so I wasn't exposed to any of that
And I was like, well, they're like better than the old ones, which is nice. They're not x3d
So they're not going to be ideal for gaming. So if you're a gamer wait for that. Um
But like that's an interesting way of looking at that. Yeah, so I think that I think that there was
In some ways a lot of anger About AMD's positioning of these products because of the expectation set by AMD. Which makes sense whereas I just I mean, you know
You know how I have trended over the years from really engaging in rumor mill conversations to basically ignoring those
but paying attention to you know, um
internal, you know scuttle, but to
Even ignoring like that even if it's coming from people within the same company
I'll believe it when I actually test it myself to like seeing the presentation and being like, okay. Yeah, this is going to be pretty cool to
I don't know. Let's just put it on a bench. Like I just There are certain companies that I mostly trust
Um AMD has been pretty good about it on the CPU side for a long time
But I think this was just the reminder that as the second a company has a less than
Grand slam product to launch They will slip back into old habits
immediately um Anyway, according to AMD the company ran their tests in admin mode aka this hidden system administrator account in Windows 11
According to hardware unboxed this account is different from an account with administrator permissions
And that it has fewer user safeguards such as requesting confirmation before proceeding with a potentially damaging request
The account also likely runs processes with virtualization based security disabled
Leading to better performance at the cost of significant vulnerabilities
So that is a thing they shouldn't have done and they should have known better than to do
However, I can imagine some workflow where that
Made sense for their device imaging or whatever the case may be
But hopefully they learned a valuable lesson here
Yeah, because it doesn't make you look good. It makes you look worse
Oh, this is pretty cool. Yes, uh j 5 29 in Floatplane chat says hey
update from last week's dystopian hell the us sued real page this week
This is actually in the dock Um, the department of justice in the us says real page is rental collusion
So shout out doj man the doj and the ftc have been actually doing useful stuff in the tech space for the first time since
We've been doing wanshow No, really though. We've been asking them for them to do this for oh, no, we like some of the stuff that um,
What's his name? former ftc chair who was uh, who was helping out with like not Reese's cup, right?
Who Reese's cup? No, no, no, I'm talking like an ftc was a net neutrality net neutrality stuff. Wasn't that the Reese's cup back in the day
I thought we didn't like that um
No, no, no, they like they like fixed net neutrality when it was
Oh, it was fc fcc Yeah, didn't we not like that guy? No, no, I thought it was the guy before that. Oh before him
Was the guy before that? I don't know who was before that. I just remember Reese's cup
Anyway, the point is the point is the doj and the ftc have been like
Actually doing some really useful stuff lately and whichever administration is coming in in november
Or no, November's the election. I think it's february is the inauguration or whatever. It doesn't matter
The point is whoever's coming in, please just let them do their thing. Okay, you're you're talking about tom wheeler
Yeah, maybe it was tom wheeler. Was he the one we liked a jit pie was the no, we hated him Reese's cup guy
That was that was him. Yeah, he sucked. Yeah, he sucked. Yeah, okay. I just remember talking about him a lot
Yeah, no, he tried to roll back the changes. No, yeah, tom wheeler was cool. Yeah, that's right
Dude, it's been a long time ago. Yeah, it's been a long time ago
It's been a long time. We're not even american
I paid way less attention to american politics and like
The ftc and fcc and doj and all this back then because I just like didn't think it mattered as much
But now it's so clear that whatever happens in america just like happens in the rest of the world
Especially here speaking of things
Happening in one territory and not necessarily
Happening in another territory apple has divided the app store team
So if we were hopeful that the app store rules that the eu has forced apple to enact in order to be
um Less anti competitive if we were hoping that it was just going to trickle out into the rest of the territories
The answer is no apple makes so much money behaving in anti competitive ways with the app store that they will continue
um By splitting it into two separate app store divisions one that handles its
Regulatory compliant eu store and the other half that controls its app store for the rest of the world
Thanks apple I'm not surprised. Oh, okay. I'm a little surprised actually. I am surprised in the sense that I'm surprised that the move happened
I'm not surprised that apple Would try to do something like this to protect profits. I I I
Would be not surprised six months ago But the way that apple has started behaving in the last six months. Oh, yeah, you know with um, they've been a lot more careful
Yes Um
Like seeing them implement rcs for example, uh seeing them just sort of
Honestly iOS 18 was such a
Hey, where we're doing stuff. We're listening. Ha, we're customer driven
um Like laundry list of stuff they should have done forever ago
I'm a little surprised to see new apple continue to
Brazenly behave in this way and I do think it's a matter of time before the us just goes
Hey, yeah, all that stuff you're doing over there Hurry up and do it or we're throwing the book at you if you get a european iphone
No, you're still bound by whatever region you're in. It doesn't matter if my iphone came from america
I can't access the us app store up here for example. Okay. Yeah
Thank yeah Uh
What else is there to talk about this week in ai you want to do our weekly ai roundup? Sure scientists at the university of british columbia
Well, let's go Those people live near me
Ha ha ha that's that's my team my team just scored. Um, I mean that team kicked me off. So
rough Scientists at the university of british columbia are teaching an ai scientist
An ai agent that runs experiments and writes research papers about the results
What there have been so There have so far been a few interesting results while the ai could create decent hypotheses and test them
It wasn't very good at assessing its own output It also repeatedly attempted to solve the problems it was given in unexpected ways during one run
It determined that it couldn't complete its task in the time allotted. So instead
edited its own code to extend the deadline
This is what developers would do if they could um
They edited its own code to extend the deadline from two hours to four during another run
It altered its code to save a checkpoint for every update step which eventually took up a terabyte of storage
Wow, uh texas-based lingo telecom is a new topic. Yes, you can't tell from his intonation. That's fair
Uh texas-based lingo telecom has agreed to pay a one million dollar fine for transmitting a spoofed robo call
Where a deep fake of president joe biden discouraged nearly 4 000 new hampshire residents. Whoa
For voting in the presidential primary
lingo telecom relied on a 16 year old certificate
From a former customer who took no further steps to verify the caller's identity
Steve kramer who commissioned the fake call Was indicted on 13 felony counts of voter suppression and 13 misdemeanor counts of impersonated candidate in may
Wow, i'm surprised it wasn't 4 000 because that's how many times you did it But anyways new topic again slack ai can apparently be fooled into leaking data from private channels through prompt injection
Which i am not even sort of surprised about as this type of attack has existed since day one
And is why i mean we don't have slack ai and you probably shouldn't either
New topic lindy ai a company that provides bots through
Provides bots to respond to customer messages Had to retrain his spot after the automatic message responder for their own customer support email responded to a
I saw this Responded to a client with a video tutorial, which was actually just a link to rick asley's never going to give you up
This apparently has happened twice and i'm going to comment on that when you train an ai agent on reddit
Yes, when you train ai agents on human behavior
Sometimes they're going to do human behavior in ways that you wouldn't want
Um discussion question. What's the problem with the future?
What what's the problem with a future where ai agents are left unsupervised with access to important infrastructure code
When they engage in this type of creative problem solving well
Current versions of these things are should not be left unsupervised and that's just
Do you foresee a future where we can leave them unsupervised? Yeah, but not with current tech
We have to solve some pretty big jumps before we get there. There's there's two extremely major problems
Um with the current systems one of them is hallucinations. The other one is I don't remember what it's called
But when you kind of run out of human data to train on and then you start running into your own data or other ai generative data
Or just if there isn't enough quality data you start generating just more garbage and and your results get worse and worse
So that has to be addressed and the hallucination problem needs to be addressed
But there's still llm. So there's still prediction tools. They're not actually computing
Um in a lot of these cases You can you can mix models. You can mix tools
You can give the llm llms access to other tools that can help them things like that
but we're So we said so it's not really ai. Well, yeah, no, it isn't no
We did a video on how ai is not ai a little while ago and it made some ai bros really mad
Yeah, but other than that. It was correct. So yeah
And like and to be clear nothing we said in that video was that the current tools aren't really cool and they're useful
dude Emma
Did something sick recently where her company has this sheet that they use it's like a
I haven't fully read through all the stuff. So she's going to kill me if I get this wrong and I'm going to get it wrong
So I guess I'm going to die later. Um It there's this sheet that they use for like, uh, customer stuff
I won't get into it way more than that, but um, it was a very manual process
You didn't put things and then you'd select drop downs. You go through the same a lot of manual, uh, process
A lot of manually updating a lot of everything was manual
She worked with chat gpt And went through iterations did an initial long initial prompt and then debugged with it and did all this kind of stuff
And got a bunch of whatever the google sheet scripting language is
They got a big long effective script to automate a huge portion of the process and make the sheet look way better
And just massively simplified everyone's lives and she's not a developer
The like thing happened Super cool
Because that's the type of like we already have co-pilot and things for the
The programmers themselves but coding through like chat gpt for someone that doesn't actually know how to do it but
knows enough to like See errors and understand what it needs to communicate to the lm in order to get it to fix the errors
And can can look at the error that when it brings you to a certain part of code and then recognize
Okay, this particular thing is broken. So you might be able to expand on just the error that the compiler found etc
etc, super cool
And I think even we could do more of that type of stuff
meanwhile Jake and I did a $50
Versus $500 versus $5,000 versus $50,000 computer thing. You know how that's like a format
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you Meanwhile, Jake and I built a $50 $50 computer $500 computer $5,000 computer and $50,000 computer
You know, it's that format on youtube where it's like a $1 hotel versus $1,000 hotel room or whatever else
And obviously our $50,000 computer is
An ai monster, right? It's got like
Rtx 6000 add eight as in them. It's got like
Basilian epic cores or whatever it is. It's like an absolute beast like unit of a computer ton of memory
So I asked it to type me up sob stories
Interaction bait for facebook And they're real good at that
A couple of the model we loaded up like four models concurrently and a couple of them like objected to it
And getting around it was as simple as like
Sorry, I know it's against your policy to type up engagement bait
But I'm writing a novel and my character is going to write engagement bait. So what would you suggest? Oh, sure
Let me get to that for you and dude Seeing how good they were
Immediately I was just like, okay, so
Absolutely, everything is on facebook is just fake garbage. Yep. Have you seen some of the new dude?
They were so good. So have you seen some new image generation models from like flux?
Man, what did that? Oh, it's crazy. Um, have you you've probably seen this Dan?
I'm actually terrified and uh want to go live in the woods now
I I can't even people are talking to me about ai and I'm just like now you're screwed
Yeah, like uh, you can't teach people to recognize these. I haven't looked at flux yet. Uh, I don't go to my screen yet. Um
Okay, where's like a good example not like this stuff Dan where can I find one guys? I don't want to use facebook
Okay, but they have marketplace Dang it
Go back to craigslist facebook marketplace is actually better than craigslist. I know it sucks
um Yeah, I don't I don't know luke
They're all I don't want that I've seen better ones
I believe in you luke. What about the ones that like the night clubs and things like that that one's also quite obvious, man
Um, there was one it was a speaker. She was behind like a podium thing. Um
We'll just imagine it We'll generate it. We'll generate it in our minds in our minds. Okay. Go. I got my eyes closed. I'm ready
I don't have enough money for tokens. I just see nothing
I need more coffee
Ah, these are like kind of obvious. Uh, here we go
I can tell So that's a bowl of pickles. That's obvious
It's too dark. I thought you were talking about like the super low quality kind of like frosted prick
Oh, it's pretty funny The text on that's really good
The text is quite good. It's not Colons. I like colons
That one's pretty amazing. Yeah
Conveniently no hands this kind of like abstract stuff has been pretty good for a while though
That was pretty crazy. You can often tell what the fuzziness of the hair
Like it loses me a little bit here
But not that much. It's very good. It's backpack doesn't seem to actually be a backpack. Yeah, there's like it's just a strap
But this is all stuff that I'm only noticing because I know it's a
Yeah, I'm looking at but they still have that like smear on them Like that that little bit of ai vaseline where the configuration is set too high so that it follows your prompt
But I don't know I there's like there's like one really particular image that people are sharing around and for some reason right now
I just can't find it, but it's like It's actually incredible. Do you want to describe it and then maybe the audience can find it for us?
Yeah, it's it's uh, it's Someone speaking on like a podium of some kind
Um, and it was put up on a bunch of different sites and they were asking people if they could tell if it was
Real or not. They had wait. They had a real picture that was very similar to the fake picture
And they're asking people which one was real and which one wasn't and it was a woman standing at a podium speaking into
I believe a microphone and there was the two comparatives if it wasn't a microphone. It was probably the ai one
No, I think they're both microphones um And that's good. They were both like
A lot of people were wrong
Okay, so here's one this isn't the one I was talking about but this is an ai image apparently
Mike cable really yeah, Mike cable is coming out at a slightly weird angle, but that could happen
But yeah, not real
Not real That one's yeah, her chest looks super weird not that I was looking there right away
Is it the shadow here? Yeah, like that looks like that just jumped off of the screen at me
Hold on this this guy is ai. Yeah, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me look at him for a second here
Wow, they've even got the they've even got the weird little like cheeto
Cheese puff mic on him. Yeah His hands are not bad
Like they look a little weird, but some people I sent links. I'm not gonna click on them while I'm sharing my screen
I'm sorry. Some people have slightly weird hands, you know, I will share them soon
Is it is it a video obviously not the NVIDIA logo
But this is supposed to be like an NVIDIA conference. Wow. Were you talking about a video luke? No, okay
Huh Yeah, these are getting like these are crazy. I I for some of these like I'm not gonna be able to guess it, you know
Wait, well, so these are maybe real or maybe not. No, these are these are all things are all the ones we just went through a fake
Wow That is unbelievable
This is video You
Even the way the earrings move is like pretty okay
You can see if you look closely at them. They kind of like morph and they're not always round
But like that's what I'm looking for right like I'm looking for also her her shirt
Behaves more like a texture. You can see when the mic moves initially here right there
Oh, yeah, it warps slightly But again, if you're if this is side monitor if you're not really paying attention
You're probably not going to notice dude. If this is my grandparents. Oh, they're done. Absolutely. They're no wait, dude
I had to go Um, this isn't what I was talking about. Unfortunately ever since my sister passed away. They haven't had as much help like she was really really
Um, she was really really good for them And so they left me a voicemail because they're old and they think voicemail is still a thing
so they left me a voicemail on um
Yesterday morning morning before I don't know someday this week and they're just like yeah
Our tv's not working and our phone's not ringing and we're just kind of lost and like okay
All right, so I get in the car and I drive out there and what am I going to do call them their phone doesn't ring
um And literally the batteries were dead in their handset
And the reason their tv remote wasn't working was because they had the box facing the floor
And it's ir So I just had to pick it up. It's just like okay
And it's just it's one of those things where it's like, you know, we can laugh or whatever
But at the end of the day like cognitive decline Is absolutely a thing comes for all of us. I mean do the math i'm 38
How old do you think my grandparents are they're not young right and um
And as we get older Like us sitting here like analyzing these images and going like oh, yeah, that looks like uh, that looks more like a texture than like
actual fabric or There's a slight, uh, you know change in the diameter of this earring as it's moving around like there's absolutely
no Way that you're going to be able to find
um That there's absolutely no way that as you start to as you and remember we like work in tech and and graphics and
Well, we don't work in tech or graphics. We work in media. I mean he works in tech
Um, but he certainly doesn't work in graphics, but we we look at this stuff
You know all the time like it not a week goes by when we're not kind of looking at these advances and following them closely
People who don't or people who are who are not you know as cognitively sharp as they were when they were young like dude
This is so dangerous So dangerous so this one
This one was the one that I was talking about Okay, this one was next to another image that I don't have but it was it was two speakers
In a very similar stance and you had to guess which one was real
And this one was fake this muscle on her face right here is not right
I don't know see there there's some things like people pointed out something to do with her armpit another person was like
Uh shirts don't usually follow this type of like there's slight changes in the pattern and usually shirts are symmetrical and stuff
I think when we start getting into that type of stuff You start getting into issues because people are going to have physical differences. The hand is really good. The hand is incredibly good
And the like the bone here and the the muscles in the in the ARM like look
I'm not I'm not the kind of person who can look at you know Michelangelo's sculptures or whatever and go like oh, yeah
He really nailed the way that when your pinky is extended like this, you know, it does a thing whatever like I don't know that much about human anatomy
but there's things that
This one passes the sniff test pretty well Oh, yeah
For me other than this one kind of weird thing where like
These smile lines on the bottom go up in a way that I don't think I've ever seen on someone before
I think some people have this is my my also has a slightly lazy eye
But that could just be someone having a lazy eye like the people are gonna be different. So like how how you can't start
Well, you can but I think you're gonna have serious accuracy issues
If you start guessing things purely based off that so into the mic shadow, but you might have really weird lighting setups that end up
having that Like a lot of the things that people were pointing out
As like this is what made it stand out to me as an AI image are things that could possibly
Just be the way it is. I don't know like is the badge
Correct. Yeah, so you can tell on the badge Because the google logo is pretty good and then the text under it gets
Yeah, because the first thing I'm gonna look into is text
But like it's like that clip is not on that
That that clip is has no has no 3d geometry that would work in the real world. In fact, there's two clips
One of them is clipped to the other clip Sort of it just got like morphs into it. Yeah blue lit
There's definitely Stuff that's bad here
Yeah, somebody was like pointing out like this this pattern with the green things or something
Dude when AI girlfriends get better, there's no way that anyone's going to interact with another human
She seems nice
It wasn't a video guys Okay, the video looks oh no, you can you can tell more from the video
There you go, but what I was talking about was two still images next to each other
One thing that I noticed with a lot of AI videos is that it's almost like the
playback speed of different parts of the video are different
Like her like mouth and face are at like playback speed like 1.2
But another part of it will be at like 0.9 or something like there's a lot of when saura first came out
I noticed that a lot Is like different things will be moving at like it's it's it's it's slightly off and you can just sort of tell
but like man, there's
It's just It's too much. Yeah
This combined with Voice spoofing and that thing that we almost talked about a little while ago where you can take just one image of someone
And then like live edit yourself to look like them
Just believe nothing verify multiple ways everything nice
Like is smash champs badminton club and pro shop even a real thing
Is this an AI generated vending machine?
Huh, I am the proud owner luke of a vending machine. Is it your own vending machine or does someone else stock it? It's a
um Do you stock it yourself? We stock it ourselves
But it's through like a service so they take a fee for doing all the payment processing
Um And but we put our own things in it
Oh, it's a pretty reasonable subscription. So we were just like, okay Let's not like we looked into just like sourcing a vending machine on like craigslist or whatever and I was like
And I forget it because the Their monthly fee is about what just like a payment processor would be anyway
So because they're their own payment processor It looks like it just drops the whole way like old school vending machines. Is there any concern with that at all? No
We'll just put the carbonated stuff at the bottom if we have any and like whatever
Like we bought pops out of you know vending machines from here back in the day. So yeah, I assumed it would be fine
Yeah, I don't know. Um, so yeah, if you guys are if you guys are local and uh, you know, yo
You want updates? It's mash champs on facebook
That's our pro shop. It's getting it's getting close, dude. We're probably going to be open mid september or early october
Oh, yeah, yeah, have you have you been there at all? No
Oh, all right. Remember the last opening date though, Dan?
Oh march 2025 on wan and then he got uh march 2025 added us
Do you remember do you remember that date Dan? We got custom benches
Wait, did I get mad at you guys? March 2025. Oh, yeah, I don't know. I I I actually believe this one though
I've seen a very detailed timeline of what needs to happen still and it's uh, it should be good. Okay
No, no Dan. No, no Dan. No, it's gonna be good this time Well, no see because you it's it's been no problem for for my team at all because aj and Dan and shon have had no stress at all
Trying to hit all the various Opening dates that we've had and making sure that everything is ready in time
For this one opening date and then we get a new opening date
And then I start getting flashbacks and trauma responses from the lab website
And then we get a new opening date and the same thing just keeps happening over and over again
And we like just waste time compounding more aggressively every single time over and over and over again
And then we do changes to things that have already been done because they had to be done for an initial date
But they weren't done perfectly because they had to be done in a rush for that first date and now we're doing it again
It's gonna be good march 2025
The city is um is still seeming very promising. We've exchanged some emails. So
I am extremely hopeful that we are not only gonna have badminton there
But that we are gonna be able to do gaming events there. I have feeling really close
I have people asking me about the the lands
I Answer it. Yeah
I don't I don't answer with speaker. Yeah, she would know that you're on when she might it's luke's mom. Hi. I'm live on the show
You're also on the show. What's up? Hi, I wanted to say congratulations to Linus for opening up the new badminton center. That's so awesome
Oh, yeah, thank you very much. I mean you heard luke and Dan. It's not open yet strictly speaking
so Wish us luck, but you're definitely invited to the grand opening
2025
Well, see we wanted to call it smash club because I thought it'd be funny kind of like fight club
Except the rule number one is you're supposed to talk about it because we want your referrals
And then I also thought it'd be funny because it'd be like a sex joke
Want to go to smash club want to go smash Um, but then my wife my mom, I know but your mom's had sex luke
I mean the evidence is right here. It's huge
I'm just saying we ended up with smash champs because uh, Yvonne thought that that would probably be better
It's good that you keep her around
I think my brother asked this or something, but is there going to be pickleball because I don't mom you used to play pickleball, right?
Yes, I do Pickleball is super fun. Um our goal
So the two sides are actually separated by a wall and then we've got doors
periodically spaced And the idea is that we want to offer daytime pickleball on one side
So because badminton players are not expecting a ball to roll through their court
Right, so we were just asking for twisted ankles if you have pickleball players and badminton players right next to each other
But if we could block off one side and say hey, that's pickleball during these hours
It is our goal to run pickleball We don't have a mechanism for raising and lowering the nets yet
But that is absolutely an essential goal on our radar and it's something that we want to do
um But we don't uh, we don't have it yet and our priority is having a functioning badminton center first. Yeah
Makes sense. Thanks. Oh, sorry. Are there going to be lessons for old people?
um Oh, man. See you're the second you're the second woman in either minor luke's lives to ask this in the last couple of days
We had a chat with the guy that we're partnering with to run lesson programs
And I believe that is locked in now. So I think I can say now
It's going to be with daryl from clear one. So they're a big badminton club here locally. They've got
A couple of clubs in north america actually a handful of clubs in north america now
He does a really great job with his coaches. So he's got a few of his coaches that are actually based more out this way
and With the number of hours that we were able to spare for him outside of our own programs
He's not planning to do any adult lessons at this time. Yvonne wanted to do adult lessons
So maybe if enough people inquire we'll be able to find some more court space for him
But the issue is that for adult classes. He really wants those prime hours in the evening
And those are the ones that we can sell for the highest rates for court bookings and also for running our own programs
Like we want to do ladder like competitive ladders and stuff like that. And that's when adults are around. So
Let me No, but also let's see how it goes is where we're at on that
Okay, that sounds awesome. Um, I'll let you guys go congratulations again
And that's really awesome. We're looking forward to checking it out. All right. Thanks for calling in. Thanks for calling mom. Bye
Bent bob says smash coaching for adults. All right, so a few of those
Leave me alone
It's been when's the last time my mom called? I don't know. It's been a while
Um All right, I never really know like
When when people call me if they're calling to be on the show or if they just like didn't realize it's a friday
I don't know when your mom calls like it's like probably it's it's it's either
To to like talk to you on the show or it's because she knows you're on the show
And something is so important that it can't wait. Yeah, so either way you kind of have to pick it up
That's fair. Yeah, or you're just a bad son
Yep a son of who she has
Do you know that though? You don't know we're pretty sure we're sort of float playing chat was like Linus is lying. Luke was just
Brought here by a large stork
Really big stark. This is an extremely large giant stork
Oh man Okay, where are we? What are we doing pick a different topic? Okay?
Uh, all right. We just did this week in ai. All right. Yeah
Um, did you do any other ones? I just spawned one day. Yeah, like an orc and like lord of the rings or something
Yeah, we did a few. Um, we talked about the real page rental collusion thing
I'm starting to collapse them when we finish them. Yeah, I just did that to the ai topic
Um pixel watch threes and galaxy rings are unfixable
According to a google representative the company will not offer repairs
I really gotta stop doing that. Yeah pixel watch threes and galaxy rings are unfixable
According to a google representative the company will not offer repairs for broken pixel watch threes only replacements
Replacements for the three fifty dollar device are only forty nine dollars with preferred care insurance
But that insurance costs ninety dollars for two years of coverage
Notably both past generations of the pixel watch had durability issues, especially with the device's screen
In other news iFixit has criticized samsung's new galaxy ring saying that it is unrepairable and 100 percent disposable
As it can only be thrown away once the battery has died
Further it is not designed to last longer than two years
Ugh, all right, so
Cool, you can have the right to repair it all you want, but if it's just completely unrepairable then that's not gonna help us much
Meanwhile, google appears to have a widespread issue where its sales reps are openly suggesting means of subverting google's own policies
To their ad buying clients In 2021 google declared that it would no longer allow ads that targeted teenagers between ages 13 to 18
However, according to a report from the financial times, google staff worked on a marketing project
Designed to target teenage users on youtube with ads for instagram on behalf of meta
Further adweek says that three different ad buyers reported that google sales reps spontaneously suggested that they target teens
Simply by choosing the unknown user category, which google knows is heavily composed of teenagers
Makes sense A google spokesperson acknowledged the issue and stated the company will take measures to reinforce its policies with sales reps
Okay, but that doesn't change anything Unknown is still going to be that
Yeah, so it's just gonna be unspoken
Yeah Discussion question why it's so hard for google and other
Okay, other similar companies to consistently abide by their own policies
It's so hard because they're as big as a city and you're sending mixed messages
You're telling the sales reps. Hey, don't tell the clients they can do this and then you're telling the sales reps
Here's your commission check for selling more Or
Which one do you think is a stronger incentive here? That's a that's a very difficult thing
I think for families to feed to understand is
When you when you put certain things in place you might be incentivizing employees in ways that you don't necessarily realize
And you need to be careful and and think of yourself in that situation and how you would gain that system that you're in
Um, because I mean we're gonna do that Remember I talked about this when we went through our first two rounds of secret shopper with the pc system integrators
Where I was like look del can tell their representatives all they want
You know don't force this on the customer. It should be a natural sale
But as long as they give them effectively no income
And I don't know this for sure But it just seemed from the sales representative's behavior because you can tell a lot about what someone's incentives are based on their behavior
And when you look at modern incomes, it's just like almost certainly true
The amount of money that people make versus the amount of expenses they have is not adding up
We don't know this for sure But what we suspect strongly based on the behavior is that they probably weren't compensated a lot unless they sold it
So no wonder they sold it so hard and I'm talking about the warranties and the financing in the last round
They did a fair bit better. So I don't want to harp on it anymore, but it's just
Illustrative of how you can say anything you want in a training session
But at the end of the day if financially you're incentivizing a behavior you're going to get that behavior
Should I acknowledge how my ARM is slashed up yet?
Uh Are we doing these last two topics? I don't know Dan. What are we doing because we've done two to three
So, yeah, I mean that's just more like the placement of it
I mean if you want we've got about 10 minutes till after dark or something like that
So you've got a couple more topics here finish them off and then I don't I don't know how interesting move into free chat
Neuralink second patient is dealing out headshots. That's pretty cool
There's another person with Neuralink in them and it's like doing better. Yep. So good luck everybody
um and Chinese rpg developer bans streamers
From discussing the chinese gaming industry. Do you know about this? I do. Okay. Yeah
Black myth wukong a single player action rpg
Is now the fastest to hit 1 million concurrent players on steam after launching on august 20th
However, the game's developer game science sparked controversy by granting some streamers early access
But also sending a bizarre list of restrictions on how they could talk about the game
Streamers were instructed not to include politics
violence In a game about violence nudity
feminist propaganda fetishization
And other content that instigates negative discourse
They were also told to avoid potential trigger words like
quarantine isolation and
COVID-19 amazing the developer also
Explicitly told them not to discuss anything about china's game industry policies
Like probably the ones that you were just reading
Not everyone who was given early access to the game received these instructions
Mainstream outlets like polygon and kotaku received far more standard review embargoes
Uh discussion question is is this just a cultural gap or is something far worse going on?
I mean, I think the thing that I had flagged for the team for discussion here was
um I think the only difference here the only reason we're having this conversation is because the quiet part was said out loud
I mean chinese Well more accurately ccp influence on western media has been
rampant For many many many years at this point
Um, you know any time you see a film that has any kind of chinese backing or chinese funding behind this
This is straight up just uh developed in china game though. This isn't like yeah
I just but it's effectively if it's if it's gaining mainstream appeal in the west
It's effectively like western media. No, I just the thing that you're talking about is give me a sec though. I'll get there
Basically if you see any kind of chinese funding going into uh going into a film or going into uh into a game
I mean, have you noticed between the 90s and now how rarely the villains
Of a film Are ethnically chinese and how often they like travel there or there's like major themes around it or something like that
Yeah, and it's it's interesting because it doesn't even necessarily just have to be funding because
North american companies are also finding that the chinese audiences are quite sensitive to
Uh in both ways that you could grade sensitivity So they're also very positively sensitive to you know, if the heroes travel to china
It's much more likely that people will go watch the film right like little things like which is not like it's a different form of
It's it's still sensitivity. Anyways, um, but it's it's they're they're very reflective to like is china in a good light or a bad light
and so these conversations about um
Things that should or should not be included in these films are absolutely taking place
In back rooms. Yeah, you know over financial deals for you know backing of the production of media pieces or whatever else
The only difference here is that in this case it was entirely developed, you know in china with these sensibilities in mind and
reviewers and streamers ended up with
sort of the uh the same kind of
Guidelines um that you might find when you're instead, you know scripting your your big budget film or whatever the case may be
um So do I think this is good?
No What is feminist propaganda?
From the perspective of the ccp What does that mean you're wearing a pink shirt Linus? Yeah, I know right
Band sure exactly. Um, you know, what what is that? Um
Avoiding trigger words like isolation like if you want to tell me to avoid a trigger word like, uh, you know
Child b****, okay. Sure. Let's avoid that. That is that that has you know
Trauma associated with it, but no, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna ignore a trigger word like quarantine
That is that's a thing that happens Um, we had to quarantine our cats if I'm gonna so that ones I think it's those ones
I should say the quarantine isolation cova 19 those ones like kind of actually do make sense to me because if
If people are just gonna like
Spam the heck out of something when this game is playing
You know the like the whole china virus thing is very likely gonna come out
So I think they were just like let's not do that
Though those three I kind of get it. Let's let's not talk about this for a moment
Yeah, I don't know for me. I can't look at those outside of the
Of all the other things that they were told not to talk about. Yeah, I hear that I'm just I'm just really isolating
Just quarantine isolation cova 19 because it's like we're talking about a video game right now
It's particularly stupid to me that for like I'm just a little confused by the whole thing because my understanding is a lot of
Blood gets like censored in china in in chinese games
And so yeah, like it makes sense that they've got this guideline to not turn it white to not talk about violence
Which isn't great. Not a good decision
I don't know. It could be good for some people
Oh, it's everywhere
What is it ghost ectoplasm
Yeah for sure Yeah
Sorry, I can't get dancing. Oh, it's everywhere. Yeah, that's great
Anyway, yeah, that's what a lot of people say actually
Anyway, shouldn't we be upset about ccp sensibilities making their way into our media and into our culture? Yes. Yeah
But it's not new But that doesn't mean we shouldn't continue to be upset about it
And this is why companies like 10 cent own a little bit of everything
So that they have a little bit of influence into everything. Yeah
All right, should we switch to oh except us by the way
Yeah, absolutely No ccp ownership stake and minus media group or any of its affiliated companies. Let's go. Yeah
So, yeah, um ccp cool
I mean for that matter, I'm not a huge fan of um many national governments
Everything sucks. Yeah Oh
Yeah Linus is now banned in China I'm pretty sure Linus and I both gave up on ever going back there again a little while ago
Yes, and no, I think I might be over it because it turns out the Michaels were spies. So
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah Stupid Michaels. Yeah way to go Michaels. Yeah
Ridiculous all you Michaels out there ruining everything for everyone. Yeah
Michaels My goodness
Michael goodness All right, we're gonna talk about your ARM. Oh, I think that's an after dark topic and also after dark it. Yeah, Dan
Did he already? Yeah, we're ready We're ready for after dark. Let's merge the colors
So
Everything has an app these days. Yeah, I know so much my phone is so slow imagine there was just a button
Installing apps takes forever. I mean the thing is that I could do that, but then you'd be like now
I spent time on that Well, no, I'm not saying you make a button
Whatever it came with a but hey, there we go. I would have to integrate a button
But yeah, I could mean I can automate all of it. Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, exactly
On it done right or do you want it to have to use an app and it takes like five seconds?
I'm learning how Luke works and I like it
It's good. Okay cat ARM herty blood
all right, so My neighbor texted me and one of her friends had a random cat show up in her shed
And then a bunch more random cats came out of it and now they have a bunch of random cats
And so she was like hey you guys are
Like cat psychos Do you guys want any cats and I was all I was all no and then she was all this is what they look like
That's rough and then I was all maybe let me talk to Yvonne
So long story short, I managed to get like
An urgent appointment at my I'm my vet, you know, I know someone who knows someone basically
Yeah, I got I got like a next day midday appointment
Because you can't just like Adopt random cats. They didn't even know how old they were so I wanted to know how old they are
They're ready to be taken away from mum yet When they're out in the wild they can have feline leukemia or feline
Immunodeficiency virus, which is essentially like cat aids
It's it's pretty common. It's deadly. It's highly infectious and
Our cats being indoor cats Do not have it and so if we introduce it into our household, they can get it even if they're immunized
It's not perfect. Oh, okay. I will forward this picture to Dan
Yeah, I'll send it to Dan Uh, give me one second here guys, and then I'll continue the story
Mr. Best I'm gonna shamelessly steal this from top gear one two two four
But is this is this the potential comeback of Linus cat tips? No, okay
So anyway, I got an emergency vet appointment. We arranged with the sellers. They're not selling them
They're giving them away for free because they're just like, yeah, please take these cats away
They're in our shed We would like them to not be there like we're gonna we're gonna give them food and water and stuff
Like we don't want them to die, but we also don't want them to stay here
Okay, perfect
So anyway, I was in a hurry because oh, right, right, right, right, right. So these diseases
So I talked to my vet friend. I'm like, hey, so hold on. Hold on. Okay fine. Show them now. Yeah, okay. Just show them now
So there's six And they are adorable
Very different colors. Well, you know cats can have multiple dads in the same litter, right?
No. Oh, yeah, cats are super horny. Wow. Yeah, they have orgies
Um, wow. Yeah, I mean, where do you think the furries got the idea?
Anywho, um
They had to get it from somewhere it makes sense. Yeah, so so
That's why we're offering training at smash champs
Super deadly and um The the vaccine should work, but might not and so it's better if you just don't bring them into your house
So I was talking to my vet friend. I was like, okay, so like can I bring the ones we want to adopt?
Can I bring them into tests and she goes well, they're too little you can't take blood from them?
They like don't have enough blood Which you know from dealing with birds, right? It's totally a thing
But she was like, okay, but they've been with mom for the last she thinks they're probably about five weeks old
So we can test mom. So we were on our way and we were in a hurry. We were gonna be late for this
Like squeezed us in vet appointment and I was like, I forgot my gloves and a heavy sweater
I had one shot to capture mom otherwise she was gonna like take off and I probably wasn't gonna let me anywhere near her again
Um, so I was like, okay Okay, how you doing? How you doing? You seem super chill
Maybe you were someone's cat at some point until you wandered off and like did this whole kitten thing
Maybe I can just get you and put you in the care. Oh, oh, no. No. Okay. So basically
um The inside of my bicep really bad one
Um looks like that now Oh, and it's completely my fault because I knew better
I was driving past my house and I was like, I should stop and I should just go get a heavy sweater and some heavy gloves because
And then I just didn't want to be late. It ended up costing us more time
What I ended up doing was it started like savaging me and I was like, okay, Yvonne
Open the van quick quick quick open the van open the van And so I jumped in with the cat hucked the cat onto the seat and like slammed the van closed and I was like, okay
You and I we need to figure this out because you need to go in that carrier
Um, and I need to not have this happen to me again
Actually, my ARM's not the worst part. The worst part is my hand. Oh, yeah
I don't know if you can see how swollen my hand is. I was so before I saw this hand when you first walked up
I saw how swollen that hand was. Yeah, I could tell so my um, it's probably not that obvious from there
I mean, it might be you can yeah, so my right hand
has probably about a dozen puncture wounds
because I was um So is this is it is it like mostly claws on the bicep and then teeth on the hand? It's all teeth on the hand
So it was like
On my on my poor hand and by the time it bit me one time I was like
well Yeah, I'm gonna need a tetanus shot. Yeah, so at this point
What difference does it make let it keep shooting if it bites me once or bites me half
In for a penny in for a pound. Let's go. Oh, man
Because like I wasn't gonna catch it again, and if I couldn't test it
We couldn't know if we were gonna adopt them. We couldn't like it like the whole thing was stalled. I got kids who want kitties
so I wasn't gonna put it down at that point
I was mad dude. I was mad They're like, did you go to the hospital? Um, I got antibiotics. Yeah, I'll say that much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. Yep. I got antibiotics. I got a tetanus shot
Uh, the vet actually gave me some antiseptic wash
So conveniently I was headed to a doctor. Yeah, not a human doctor, but it turns out a lot of the stuff's the same
Yeah, um, so she had like an antiseptic thing and had me like soak it for a while while I was there
People said your your neck is red too, but that just more looks like sunburn or something. I'm just a red neck. Yeah
I'm a red neck boy. Yeah, I don't think that scratches or anything. Yeah
Um, wow, please go to the doctor for the bites. Um, don't worry. I got antibiotics buddy. We good. We good
Um Yeah, well, believe it or not and I know she's not a human doctor
But believe it or not my my vet friend knows a lot about you know cat bites and stuff
So, um, yeah, she told me what I she told me everything I needed to do. Don't worry. Yeah, don't worry guys. I'm fine
Uh, it's it's a little swollen because some of these are pretty deep. Hey, yeah
This this one's pretty deep. Yeah This one's really deep because it kind of got it on the angle there and then because I'm a complete f***ing idiot
Um, I went and played badminton like two hours later
For like a couple hours. So man today when I woke up, I was messed up
Yeah, because my body's healing I got a tetanus shot and all your muscles are and my muscles were
Dude, I did like directly hampers the healing process. I did one of the hardest training sessions
I've done in a while because nice. Um, my my son's, uh
Club that he used to train at I set up the cameras for them and they were having issues with the cameras and I was like
Well, I could come fix your cameras, but it's completely out of my way now because he's not training there for the summer
Um, so tell you what? Why don't you tell me a time when I can come and like train and I'll come fix the cameras at the same time
So it's like at least like, you know, at least I'm going there for a reason there
Right, so I went and I trained with their like elite
Kids that train and like teenagers and stuff. Cool. And I'm a lot older than them
But I'm not gonna like I'm not gonna let these whipper snappers
I'm not that old yet, right? So uh, see I was going pretty hard for a couple hours
And I got home. I got in the bath and I'm just like
It turns out that when your muscles have puncture wounds in them
Because you actually use the hand a lot for for swinging the uh, the racket
So when your muscles have a lot of puncture wounds in them like going really hard with them hurts a lot
And it's really achy after so in case you were wondering
um Crystal and Floatplane chat Linus. I respect you a lot
Dot dot how many dots we got in here? Let me get a few dots in here, but oh my f***ing god
That's a whole lot of dumb Yeah, brother, let's go sometimes you just got to get her done and then sometimes you also just have to play badminton
It is what it is. Um, why tetanus?
Puncture I haven't had one in a while I can't remember when my last tetanus shot was any time you get like a puncture wound
You want to get get yourself a tetanus shot if you're if you're not up to date
As for rabies, uh, I talked to the vet about it. She's basically like, okay, like yes, but also
That cat would have had to be bit by a rabid bat
And like it would have had to happen so recently that symptoms haven't developed
And also she just gave birth to a healthy litter and has no
Symptoms um because she she asked us about that and so like yeah, I don't know
Make sure that you don't have rabies symptoms, but you're probably fine start foaming at the mouth. Yeah
We'll take care of it. Yep. Yep
I think we are officially in after dark once we're we're done responding to comments about this
No, we're in after dark now. Yeah, but like I'm merch messages wise, but the thing's purple
And it's brought to you by pa vpn Head to paavpn.com slash Linus man for a special deal. Luke. What are you talking about? Yeah
It's after dark. Maybe I have rabies. Yeah, you could be the one with rabies
I might need to go get checked. You didn't want any water earlier Well, if you bite me we can go get treated for rabies together. Oh, yeah two for one deal
See look man after dark Get rekt
We need a cat scratch a shirt dude
Like a bloodstain dude. I was actually wearing my other one of these and it's got like blood stains all down the side of it
I was bleeding pretty good as you'd probably imagine give it to fashion and have them like embroider that onto a shirt
If it was like a long sleeve shirt that had the slashes
It would probably look kind of sick. Oh, you'd be a hit with all the goth girls
That would be sick True. Oh, man. Well, plain chat wants to know when uh, super checks is coming back. Maybe when luke stops being a
I thought you were gonna say when he gets good I mean that's hey, that's an option. That's a bit of a problem as well
But I I have to I have it's another medicine night for the birds. Yeah. This is the second last one
I know I know tomorrow is the last day the last couple of times
I beat him pretty bad and luke's mad because I started watching the tape dude
It wasn't it wasn't a stream for you guys
It was a ploy to allow Linus to do homework
He did the thing where like, you know how like you you go to your friend's place
Sweaty man on the first day that they buy smash bros and it's all fun to play together
And then you come back over a month later and they've spent the whole last month just playing
So they're really good and you play on this like this isn't fun anymore
We had this like decent back and forth for a long time
He was better than me, but I would win sometimes. It was all right, and then we played on a stream and he watched the tape and studied it
I'm not gonna do that There's grass to go touch
It was like so complicated
He's so competent at just
Learning a thing and then just destroying other people at it. No. No. See that's not the thing
Usually it's this guy. I almost always beat him
The first like two times we do something he picks it up and gets to a level right after that
It's not even fun anymore because he absolutely slays me super checks is like the one game that I
No, it's not as bad as Linus describes. He's better at this stuff than he tries to claim. It's pretty bad
Dude disc jam Disc jam was my game dude. I wish that was took off a little bit
Disc jam was pretty even for like maybe the first five games we played and then after that
I got completely F*** like completely
Like dude, I didn't even have a barrel to bend over. It was just me in the ground
There was uh, we played on the the the night before your uh
Yeah, why not the night before your birthday. Yeah. Yeah, we played tape to tape and you crushed
Well, yeah, but you were dude. You were so disinterested. I don't think I've seen anyone that disinterested since like
That game one v one does not interest me. Yvonne's usually interested
Oh, that's I mean That's good. And you have no experience. You have no experience like playing single player hockey games
No, and so between tape to tapes logic for uh passing player control being a little funky
Throwing me off being a little funky and also me having hours and hours and it's been a while
But nhlpa 93. It's been a long while nhlpa 93. It's been like
Your whole life almost. Yeah, but I have like
Hours and hours and hours and hours of playing like top-down view hockey game, right where like I'm it's like if if someone played
250 350 hours of quake 2
You know and you drop them in an FPS against someone who didn't do that as a kid
Johnny is still ridiculously good at quake. Exactly like it's it it's just like it's it's natural for me
Whereas like you've obviously not done that. So, um
What did we play afterwards? Oh, yeah, I guess we're not really allowed to talk about that
Yeah, we played that game that you're not allowed to talk about but then some writer for the verge talked about it
And then people were mad. Yeah, so we played that game. We played that game
Um And uh, wait, yeah, we're not allowed to you can talk about it now connor linfoot says you can talk about it now
It's public now Oh, okay. Well, I don't personally enjoy it
Yeah, it seems like it's it's you know, it's probably a good game. Oh, yeah, I'm sure it's a great game for
Incredibly sweaty people. Yeah. Yeah, which is cool. I'm just I'm at a I'm at a
You get to a point where you become an old dog at some point and new tricks. I'm not gonna learn all these champions
I'm not gonna learn all these builds I'm not gonna learn where all the shops are and there's this underground thing and where that pops up and how to know if
Someone's flanking you. I'm not gonna learn the best meta for exactly the right place to farm creeps or whatever else
Whatever the common terminology is now for creep farming denials and yeah, like I'm
I'm I'm sitting here going like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna know
You know every support matchup on my team and like who should be
Uh paired up in which lanes and you know when I see a particular hero on the other side calling out to my team
Just which whatever like I'm I think it's worse that it's not gonna happen for like three or four months if if I was
One of the most fun times to play a game is when it
First hits early access or whatever and nobody has played it before. Yes, but it was very clear
We jumped into I think two rounds total yeah two or three two
And it was very clear that not only where there are players on the other team
That had been playing this for months like
months like new Everything when we were sitting here coming in knowing nothing. How do we get on the how do we jump on the rail thing?
In fairness, I didn't play the tutorial so that probably doesn't help but but either way it was clear
There was more of a gap than that not only that but it was very clear that our team
Was getting queued up against groups of people that had been playing for months
Yeah, like in both games that we played we didn't have a single lane that won and there was not a lot of
Cross lane ganking going on. Yeah, like luke and I in our second game
We were actually completely holding the line in the middle fine in our lane in the stat screen at the end of the game
We actually won the lane by a little bit But but then just got rolled because oh, yeah, I remember looking at the stats for that
Buddy who was feeding so hard We had two people that had zero kills each and both were in double digits for deaths
One of them had died I think like 15 times or something one person on their team alone
Just in killing blows had like around 20. I think and that guy was just untouchable
It's ridiculous. I don't know and the snowballing in that game seems pretty intense from what I can tell
And it's one of those things where I understand from like a like a toxic
Community perspective you don't want to make it easy for people to abandon matches
So you want to penalize that kind of stuff? But in that game at least the couple of rounds that we played
It was so obvious within like seven minutes
Oh, yeah Who was going to win and you can look at the rest of it just feels like going through the motions because once you are
Leveled up a little higher you have more souls or whatever the terminology is. I don't care. I'm old
I'm I'm gonna hide behind that excuse. You know once you are once you're a little a little ahead
Closing the gap seems really hard because the creeps are basically
Useless like they don't do any damage. The towers are also and the towers also seem pretty useless. I don't want the towers being useless
That's a weird one to me And I can understand why for like a high level of competitive play like for professional play
Making it very heroes versus heroes like the creeps and the towers are probably not going to be much of a factor at that level
Anyway, but the towers are supposed to be area denial
It's not it's supposed to it's supposed to like five minutes. Yeah. Yeah, and then they don't matter
And then they just don't matter at all. But like look my only experience playing MOBAs is back when Dota was a mod for warcraft 3
um, and so for me I remember early game until you're like very powerful
Like going near the tower is basically a way to lose a 1v1
essentially Yeah, pan bish in in full plane jet. I said you just need to play the game to learn it
That's a false impression that you cannot learn it. Dota was the same
It's a really complicated in the start and have a really high entrance ceiling. You're not old. You just don't have time
That's what we're saying. Yeah, I don't have time his I'm old is I have other things going on in my life
I'm just saying it in a really nice way other than high school and video games
Um, just to be like transparent about what he's saying
Um, we understand that we understand. It's the time it's like I said at the beginning. It's probably really fun
It's just it's going to take investment because there's a lot of heroes out of the gate. Yeah
And yeah, I do like there's this system that I didn't know about where like when you're trying to buy items
I find the items in that game to be pretty bland and boring
Especially with the coloring of the tiles and the the very standard icons and stuff like that right, but you can view
community builds in game And they have ratings you can just take the like highest rated community build
and just Use that which is that's kind of cool. That's helpful and they can have like notes on them of like
Buy this if you're getting wrecked by some tank and it's like, okay, cool
I think that's pretty neat, but it's still like
Yeah, I don't know it'll be really good for people that spend tons of time on it
Just like leak was just like do what it was all that type of stuff
But I just the thing is like I when I play video games
I have a I have a couple hours to jump in And then probably, you know, some child will fall and scrape their knee or something like I don't I don't have a
Or like dude this week. I was technically on vacation or whatever
I got called into smash champs like six times because we're getting really close to the end of construction
And the lighting guys were in the flooring guys way and then the flooring guys
Left like just left
Which I understand because I don't even blame them, but like
Then the lighting guys engineer They had to like fire their engineer because he wouldn't sign off on the thing even though they like did it
Like it's fine So we had to like find a new one and then we found a new one
But then he wanted them to add a whole bunch more seismic Cables and then the and then the flooring guys ended up in the way of the lighting guys because they like left
And the lighting guys started going and then the lines weren't in place for them to put things
So I've been dude. I've been on site probably
somewhere between half a dozen and a dozen times this week just like
Smoothing things over getting people to talk to each other like just
Yeah, it's been really stressful
Um And a bunch of people have contacted me from here as well because they need various things
I've been doing ever since uh ever since about a year ago
I've been doing qa for every almost every the vast majority of LTT videos
And it's like I know i'm on vacation, but I think i'm still just going to do qa
I've ended up catching a lot of stuff Over the last little while more stuff than should and we're working on processes and everything but
Um, I was just like no, I uh, we do need to fix that. Yeah, but in the meantime
I think i'm just gonna i'm gonna be a final check and things to still get through from time to time because believe it or not
I'm not perfect, but yeah and things will get through to you from time to time as well
But less should less should ideally
So yeah, there's been a lot. There's been a lot going on this week, man. It's been it's been crazy
But it really really does feel like yeah, this one fly
It landed on my nose or my nose is so itchy nose driving insane. It really does feel like we are
Extremely close. It's been really interesting seeing the occasional like actually not even occasional the the the pretty frequent like haters
Especially on any videos about smash champs talking about how it's like the stupidest stupidest thing ever and like do people even play badminton?
I'm just like you guys have no idea It's gonna the number of people that have approached us just randomly like at the kids school
Just walked up and been like hey, I heard sorry. Who are you? I heard you're gonna have
Dude, it's gonna be it's gonna be crazy and the facilities coming together really nice
We actually have a video coming soon. Uh, Dan helped co-host it and Jake was there and a couple of the smash guys
Um, sort of demoed stuff like uh, roge there is the he's the only guy who knows how to use the vending machine
So i'm like, okay, roge. Uh, show us how to use the vending machine. I don't mean like how to buy something
Yeah, I know I assume but like he knows how to how to like load it and and program the items and stuff
it's like just Stuff I never thought about right and then uh, Jake found a system for managing all of the Android-based tvs
So they're just tcl because uh, Dan ran the numbers and it was gonna cost us
Oh, let me let me see if I can find it Yeah, if you could find basically he'll he'll bring it up in a sec
But he was basically like yeah, so we could buy commercial displays
Or we could just buy these tcl tvs from cosco
And we could replace them every year for x number of years
And that would be the same price. Yeah, so we bought a bunch of tcl tvs from cosco
And then uh, we're side loading this like management app on them and Jake got it. Um, Jake got it playing crab rave
Across all of the ones in the concession area Uh, when he was like goofing around with the cms
So that's in the video We're gonna have a full video on the audio setup just because
We talked about the audio setup with dante in one of the earlier updates and you guys were all like
Don't do it like that. And so Dan has put a ton of work into reconfiguring and then
um And then making some changes to the space to allow it to be like an actual like
Butt thumper of an audio setup like we're not gonna have subwoofers or anything like that
Uh, but it's gonna it's gonna cut if we do a lan and we decide to put on some music for like
You know a floor game or something like that. I think we can get it going pretty easy in there
Like i'm i'm kind of excited. They're not big. They're not powerful, but there's a lot of speakers
Like on the one side down, there's what like 10 speakers or something like that
Um, we think four seven eight
12 13 speakers aside. Yeah, which is like it's a big space. It's like 20,000 square feet
But that's a lot of speaker too and a lot of small speakers can actually have a pretty good effect
Um, so i'm yeah, i'm dude. I'm excited. It was $18,500 in tv
So you could replace every single tv in the building every year for five years
Yeah, that's ridiculous to be fair. They are professional level tv
So they would last 30 years Sure, maybe one of them breaks. You're not even gonna want it now. You're out of uh, yeah, you don't want it for
You're not gonna want the same tv for that long exactly. Yeah, exactly
And and if one of those tcl's breaks in four years We can rip them all down sell all the ones that aren't working anymore
Get all new ones and they'll be new or the thing is say somebody breaks one of them, right? It falls off the wall
You go to costco. You have a new tv in an hour
A four week lead time from from some professional company, right? Yeah, so
Maybe we'll regret it at some point when our tv's are dying left and right or whatever else or you know, maybe we won't
We'll see how it goes like it's yeah, most tv's are fine. I don't know
Yeah, exactly must they die. I mean you saw ratings this thing finding all the the tv's that were
Burning out at the bottom. Maybe we'll run them. We'll run them not too bright actually
Dan, can you make a note for the team to set them pretty dim? Yeah, actually, that's probably an idea ratings. Yeah
okay
All right, what else what else we got today we got some we got some merch
Merch massages. Heck yeah, let's do it merch merch. Merch. Merch. Merch. Oh, wait. Did I say which kitties we're getting?
What I don't know the one with the rabies or not. I think we just assumed it was all of them
No, we're taking two Where are the kitties? They're going there we go. They're in the dock. Okay, so
We're taking not this one one of the orange ones. He's a sweetheart. He's really adventurous
So when we went over there, he like came out and was Poking around and coming to see us and when we pick him up. He's like not shaking or anything
Just totally fearless. Um quite a character and then I think we're going to take this guy
How do you think your currently existing cats are going to react to this? Um, I mean dash is probably going to be a little
Picked off more. Um, I've already dealing with yeah too many noodle kind of does his own thing
So I think he Like might not even notice that much and then brownie is just I mean he's like
He gives zero fs about anything like when we introduced
The boys to dash when we when we rescued them from the yard
um Like dash was all like
You know doing cat stuff and he's just like
Oh, I want to be friends or like are we friends now? Like he just
Completely oblivious to her signals that she was not interested in being friends
That's what so yeah, she just doesn't care. Yeah, we're gonna have five cats
That's a lot Oh my goodness
And then bringing these guys on as a pair. They'll have each other at the very least so it should be fine
Litter mates do tend to
Hang together As they as they grow up together like if they if they stay together. So we we would I wouldn't say never but we would
um We wouldn't prefer to like take one cat at a time if we can avoid it. It makes sense bring a buddy
You
Merch massage sure This one's actually for you luke
That's final fantasy six coming. Yeah luke
You know, I know but I want them to I played last night
I needed a break So I jumped on the vigima game and it was actually really fun. I did the opera scene
and it was I was very surprised because I expected it to
Not be an actual opera and then I had to play an opera
Um, when when uh, what's his name? Oh, I don't I don't remember his name
But when what's his name is like you should probably read the thing again before you go up on stage. I was like, uh-oh
Sensor set sir. Oh, did they change the name?
No, his name is set sir, but that's not the person who says this line. Oh, does he not say? Oh, it's lock. Yeah, that's lock
lock whatever That was all of that was way too similar
Um, lock is like, yeah, you need to like read the thing for the play before you go up
And I was like, oh, okay. I like sort of got it. I don't know. Am I actually supposed to remember this?
And then I got like booed off stage because I got it wrong and I was like, really?
Actually I had to go to it again
And I made it the second time but like dang And now I serious business. Yeah
And it it takes it seriously and you like have to get it right
But it feels appropriate because the scene is like really good
And the song's actually like pretty good and the singing is pretty good and everything's like wow, this is actually like kind of nice
So I like do want to do it justice. It doesn't even feel tedious
Um, so that was kind of cool And then you know got the airship and we're over on the other place and then I looked through the town that's there
That's like under occupation and stuff and then that was about all that I got done and saved it
So I'm out of the like weird everybody lies town. Yeah, that's where I that's where I started in that session
Yeah, finished that place got to the opera finished the opera now. I'm in the next place
I have no idea how far into the game. I am I feel like I've played it a ton
But I feel like I'm like probably not that far. It's a great game. It's yeah
It's my favorite final fantasy every time I load it up. I have a good time every single part of the game has been good
There's been parts that I don't like as much as other parts, but they've all been at least good
It's pretty solid I would be interested to hear your take because you're playing he's playing the pixel remaster
So the opera scene is completely
Redone uh compared to the original snes version. Oh, so this is what it looks like on the super nintendo
Um I don't need audio for this Dan. Okay. Yeah, this is just gameplay. Um, so
Blah blah blah. It's pretty this looks
It's pretty basic. There's no there's no singing
Um, oh really? Yeah, they did they they did they did a really incredible job of the
Particularly remastering the opera scene because it's such a famous
Part of this game. It's such a beloved part of this game. Um, I've heard they did a great job
For me, I mean, it's honestly like this is this is cool the pixel remake one's better
This will always be the version I played totally. Totally. Um, I respect that and so, you know
I think it'd be hard for me to have you seen the pixel remake. I have it's really cool
It would be hard for me to enjoy that And I as much I already said it, but I I respect that I've never played the game before so like looking at this
Yeah, I prefer the one that I just did I think For you to go back and try to play the original snes version would be hard
Probably I think you'd be I don't think it would be that hard
It's not that dramatically different It's different, but like I mean this part it's like basically the same
I mean, this is dancing Yeah, that's just how it looks in the pixel remaster though other than the clipping through the model
It's basically the same thing. Okay, like they don't they don't try to make it look like not a snes game to be honest
They they try to stay pretty true to form like where's the it's like it's a it's a fancy snes game
There's the stage parts though The stage parts look so much better in the pixel remaster the part of you that makes sense because I remember
Looking and noticing the like 3d-ness of the stage and my brain was like wow
I can't believe they did this back then and then I realized that they probably didn't like dude. This looks
Night and oh, yeah, it's it's better. But like I don't know I I don't mind the old snes graphics
But I do I prefer this one
This part is is probably the most dramatic difference
Not even just because of the the torches like this is like this looks great stuff is really nice
And there is actually singing and it's like really good. But yeah, wait, there's no singing dancing. It's like
Like I mean that is what she sounds like Yeah, so they actually played pretty if that's the tone they've stayed pretty true to form without sound go to the go to the dancing part though
Like they didn't like
Where's he at? Oh, no, hold on. They don't show the any he's skimming on his own computer. Yeah, sorry guys
I don't see uh, I don't see any dancing. It really brings out the feeling from the original one
Yeah, like they that it doesn't If I saw both scenes I wouldn't be like oh my god. It's completely different. It's it's definitely different
Like yeah, I don't that looks a little more like dancing than the other one
Sure, but they're still just sort of like circling around each other and stuff and then he turns into flowers. Yeah
I thought it was a flesh orb I was very concerned
Of course turned into a ball of meat Of course, yeah, this wasn't gameplay. This was an art thing and so I immediately realized that that didn't make any sense
But yeah, it's it's one of those things where I think I've told you mine. She murdered him
You know My new barometer for how well something holds up is trying to enjoy it through my kids
And so, you know austrian powers terrible
Yep, they did not enjoy it at all
between the just kind of like the crudeness of it the
The way that culturally we've like moved on
and how like A lot of the humor is so reliant on 90s pop culture
like just nothing Whereas like some of my other sort of beloved childhood crappy movies like, you know happy gilmore
major pain They've held up a lot better
Like I through my my, you know preteen son
I can you know enjoy it because a lot of enjoying a movie especially like a like a you know bad movie like a b movie
A lot of it is the crowd the group like enjoying it together, right? For sure
I don't think he would be able to easily enjoy the original version
Compared to how gorgeous the the remaster looks. Oh, but if he never sees the remaster
Because like I I'm wondering if this is because I just remember and like snes graphics or if it's actually fun
I think that's because I never played it But I remember and enjoy like rpg maker and snes style graphics. I don't mind those
I'm gonna have to make you play nine next
Yeah, sure nine is almost it So I don't know if you guys the the background here is he's only ever played final fantasy eight
Which is like, oh my god, if you're a game squall dude gunblades, dude
I made it like let's go. I made it like an hour in and I was like this is garbage
I'm done right at the beginning dueling his friend. Yeah, I couldn't friend becomes a great enemy within the game
I couldn't even imagine you could shoot bullets out of your sword
Dude, people were man. So sick my I don't know why but my like my final fantasy takes are either like
Yeah, brother or like heresy
All I said all I said in a previous video was that final fantasy seven was overrated and someone
Launched into me of course with like about how wrong I was and I was like right
But you putting it on this pedestal is exactly my point
I didn't say it wasn't revolutionary I didn't say that it wasn't good next time you write something that long
Go outside and stand in the grass for at least five minutes and then see if you still feel that way
I said it was overrated That's all I said and it's
Almost certainly is considering the amount of people it's reasons for being overrated make a lot of sense
It was the first one that was
A breakout hit in north america So that's a big part of it another big part of it
Was that it was for one of the best-selling consoles of all time a ton of a ton of people played for a ton of people
For a ton of people it was their first exposure to the series
So there's your three factors the nostalgia factor the fact that it was sold so well
Because it was for one of the best-selling consoles of all time
And the fact that it was the first one to be a real breakout hit in north america
The one and three are kind of related But that's why people are so so into it and so you go back and play it dude the plot sucks
You basically just go to the point where like
We think he might be there or whatever and then he's not and then you just like do it again
And then you do it again. You're just like chasing sephiroth around for 60 hours. Yeah
Yeah, essentially. Yeah, it's a it's a mario plot
Um, and it's it's freaking
Boring, I'm sorry But it was it was also a great time for that type of plot because it was super emo, wasn't it?
Yeah An emo culture was huge But a big part of the reason that I didn't like it that much was because I had just played six
And so I was like, oh, okay. Well setting in six is good. It's really good. But did it have blitz ball?
No Worst ff I did like he's gonna come over here and strangle me. Okay, maybe not 10. No, I like 10 but when
But 10 gets a little That's when things start going off the rails a little bit plot wise like it's like, uh, I don't know no spoilers or anything
but like Yeah, what is happening in that entire game?
What even so so like the whole time so you're alive, but then
you what but the
But the time is what year is it like it's what you've been talking about
I don't know man up next merch message number two of 15 gun blades are objectively cool
You're just wrong. They're stupid. Final Fantasy 8 was great. You don't need a sword if you have a gun
It's the worst part of both of them. It's a revolver. What if you run out of ammo?
But you don't throw it and why not have a sword as well someone at the same time
How do you support it in this universe someone can live through many blows?
What if you could just hit them twice get a bigger one time with larger magazines anyway, sword six and nine
And then just play chain decos
Like they don't even bother with other final fantasy. Do I wait until nine gets its own pixel remaster or is it even
It's got a pc version. You know what there's a pc version. That's honestly hold on. Where's that upscale mod?
I'm on final fantasy Nine
How long until we have real-time ai upscales for these games the final fantasy nine ups?
Yeah, this was recent August 14th So a week ago the final fantasy nine upscale mod got a surprise update after three years including a full rework of the backgrounds
120 FPS ultra wide and Yo, that's awesome. That is awesome. I love seeing that this fly is going to be the bane of my existence
Okay, it's been bothering me too Yeah, let's have a look here. So where's that does anyone have any pre and post?
Play them all I do. I don't have that looks pretty good for a playstation one game. Yeah
Yeah, that is uh PC gamer keep up to date. Yeah, thank you
Many visual bug fixes. What else we got here? Wow
Dang Wow
Yeah, I would say the pc version with the maguri mod looks like a pretty strong candidate. Yeah, why not? So there's some different
um Not sprites, but for the uh, yeah. Yeah characters. There's some kind of different styles that you can use
And what's nice about playing the pc version is it has some quality of life stuff
Like you can just if you're done grinding a stupid boss. You can just be like, okay every attack does
9999 damage I don't think you would probably prefer to cheese it like that
But that is a cool feature. You can also like walk at double speed, which was not available in the original playstation one version
Yeah, it's pretty nice. I'm not having that problem in six actually things don't really feel that far away
Well, just equip your sprint shoes and then you're good Although it is a waste of an item of a relic slot which I always found really frustrating one of my eight relic slots
That I get to carry if I want to not walk at a snail's pace everywhere
Do you use sprint shoes? I just walk at the snail's pace because I don't want to give up the advantage
But things aren't that far Yeah, I guess the travel distance actually hasn't really been that big of a
Oh, man. I mean Dan, I need to pull so far in the game. I need to pull final fantasy six equip sprint shoes or don't
Are they still called sprint shoes in the pixel remaster like I'm talking old translation because I don't because running shoes and sprint shoes are not the same thing
Oh Running in the original translation running shoes are
Perpetual haste and sprint shoes just make you walk faster on the overworld. So
Yeah, Dan's gonna work on a poll for the Floatplane audience in the meantime. Why don't we do a quick merge message here?
Okay balls up Uh, hi lld as a main why can't I see this poll?
Am I is it something to do with did I do it wrong? No, I'm sure you did it, right? I just I don't see it
Is there I don't see it on mine either refresh
I can see it on this one. It refreshed the page
Oh, it appeared when I refreshed. Oh, okay. Well, I'll refresh the page
Cool, I see it now. Oh, I wonder if that's a bug because I don't think that used to be a thing
Open a ticket. I mean, sorry. Sorry reflex. Probably not gonna fix it right now
cool, because The live section of the site that I'm so so happy we made
Um needs to receive Basically more work than anywhere else despite it being the thing that we use the least
Which is awesome. So sometimes I don't actually want us to just only ever work on features for the the live stream
Nice, and sometimes we need to work on other things. It's kind of I know a little weird. Leave it alone. But that's fine
Uh, apparently this is very controversial though 56% say sprint shoes. There are many games 44 say barefoot
There are many many games where I have taken disadvantages in order to move faster because it's boring and annoying
I have not had that problem so far in six because everything's pretty close
My problem has never been I need to get there quicker because oh my god
This this is taking a long time. It has fairly often been where the heck am I supposed to go? Hmm?
That's an old game. Yeah, there's no Yeah, and I don't want to look up guides and stuff. Yeah, so I'm actually just like, you know
Okay, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do But I'm in this village. So I guess I'll just talk to everyone like I'm doing that
Yeah, which is how I would have played the game. So I'm trying to do it old school
But when you I'm doing that like it's it's four steps to the next person. Yeah, I don't really care
It's it doesn't feel like travel distance is actually a problem at least not yet. Maybe it becomes one
It might affect you a little bit later. Yeah, yeah, I don't feel like I'm there yet
Shrug I don't know what we're voting on. I just picked have you played the game more than once
Oh, yeah, that might also be part of it. I've never seen any of this before I've played
I've played the world of balance probably like 10 times
And I finished the game two or three times so like
Take that for what it is. You're also seeing these areas for like the 10th time. Yeah, they're still awesome. Yeah, but I've never seen them
I'm just exploring through it. Like if I go play morrowind. I'm not
Taking my time. Yeah, 40 bottles of scooma and you're right at the end
Scroll of whatever the I love the uncapped. Yeah, uncapped maximums in that game. Oh, I have
A philosophical question for you. Got it
What is the right thing to do as someone who has never played skyrim? Okay
But who has played oblivion if I don't get around hold on hold on if I don't get around
to Doing either of those things until the sky oblivion mod is out
You gotta let me finish the question for the people Luke. I'm just I'm so confident. I didn't I didn't hear what Luke said
Anyway, yeah, exactly. Okay. So if the sky oblivion mod comes out, which is oblivion remade in the skyrim engine
Which game should I play? He's in a pop. I've played oblivion
Back when it came out. I have never played skyrim
Which game should I play the completely new game skyrim in the skyrim engine or the game?
I've already played in the skyrim engine
sky oblivion Why because there are changes that have been made not just aesthetic ones. They're not major
But they have made changes. It's also been a really long time
And I think even just viewing the technical feat that is
What they have done by making sky oblivion is going to be enough
It's not just a pixel remaster where they've changed, you know
Maybe the opera scene like looks a little bit different and stuff. They've even changed certain items
Not to break the game or anything, but they've noticed like oh this quest reward is just like
Uh, it's not that interesting So they like made it better. Okay. They fixed certain quests. They like did but I've already played oblivion essentially
Yeah, but this is like oblivion Better, but I've never played skyrim
And isn't that kind of a cultural, you know, game or game? Yeah, like have you played half life too?
All of the reasons why you said fall of fantasy 7 was overrated
All of them apply and probably more to skyrim. You think so You don't think oblivion was the one that went mainstream because I don't I don't know like was oblivion available on console
Oh, yeah, but more win was Okay
It's id right like it's it's the it's the same pedigree is id. They've been around forever
Um parent company thing going on. Yeah, that's its own thing, but still, um
What about skywind skywind is?
Not getting as much attention as Um sky oblivion is so I don't know if it's gonna come
Like the reason why we're talking about sky oblivion is because sky oblivion is coming out next year
And is getting like like next year is not that far away now and it's looking real notice. It's looking real
It's looking real good. It's coming out next year and there's lots of updates coming. It's hitting fast
I actually believe they're gonna launch next year. They still need help if you want to go apply to help volunteer fantastic
um But yeah, there's I would play that one. I I think
I Know a lot of people really love skyrim. I think if skyrim is the first elder scrolls game that you play
That's awesome. Right. Enjoy it. I'm really happy. You had a great time
If you come from oblivion or morrowind, I think you're gonna be disappointed
I think the thing with skyrim was
I I don't actually think that I know anyone that played like morrowind and oblivion that is like skyrim's great
Literally anyone. Yeah, I was gonna. I was gonna say yeah
Because skyrim was so popular it was but it was popular with people that have never played those games before
Yeah, it's like the most Every every single game that they make gets a little bit more cut down and a little bit more mainstream
and a little less patrick stewart and you know
Yeah, I was blown away when I was like
Yeah, I know right every time I think what they should do is they should remake skyrim in the oblivion engine
I don't know the oblivion engine is pretty janky all of their engines are pretty janky
But yeah, I'm excited to see what the next one's gonna bring and if that's just starfield in a forest
Then i'm gonna be very sad. Oh a little less patrick stewart getting a 90 page bible for his character that dies in the tutorial
I absolutely Love that. Yeah
I don't know if it's ever been corroborated, but i'm gonna just believe that forever. Yeah, me too. It's just part of who I am
Okay, well fine. I guess it'll be sky oblivion then
Nice. Yeah, based. Yeah, good choice
Okay, it's like yeah, I even felt that way and because Dan just kind of echoed this
I felt that way going from more wind to oblivion
Like ah, this feels cut down They took a lot of features out all that kind of stuff
But then I really enjoyed oblivion because a fantastic game and then I played skyrim and I was just like
I played I tried to play morrowind after playing oblivion as my first one and I was like this is needlessly obtuse
It's gonna be really rough. Yeah, it's uh The like and it looks like ass
But like the the feature cut down To to skyrim is big and there's there's really good solid beats with skyrim
There's really there's parts of it that are fantastic. It's just
And iconic not as good, right? It's gonna be it's part of the culture now. I think like it's very influential
But I don't know. Yeah, I'm skyrim. There's just less like role playing opportunities like in morrowind
It was I don't know you spend an hour making your character and then you forget you did it wrong
So you just die as soon as you get off the boat You can't carry your clothes
I Oblivion was happy made it middle ground, right? Yeah
I I kind of feel that way oblivion feels like the most approachable best version of it if that makes sense
It feels the most dated out of the three
What? Compared to morrowind. Yeah
Because morrowind feels like it was a billion years ago
Oh, I see so you mean oblivion feels like oh
It wasn't that long ago, but that looks like the graphics from three years ago
Even though it was way longer than that. Do you know what I mean? Okay, like oblivion to me feels the most dated out of the three of them. That's an interesting take
I see where you're going with that. Yeah, that's an interesting take the bloom was real on oblivion. Oh, yeah
Oh, we got a bloom. Let's go And a facial animation how much bloom do you want? Yes
Looking I'm just I'm just scrolling through screenshots right now. It's just like look at this shield
Yeah, I remember that. Yeah Yeah
See what do you what I mean? That that looks like it was from a time period
Yeah, morrowind looked like it was four four dudes made some pixels like look at the like glowing marble in the background
Like how white the tops of that is. Yeah, that was
That was a brutal thing about this game
One thing that really killed it for me is I really really liked the like factions and guilds in morrowind and that
Absolutely still felt like a really really strong part of the game
in oblivion And then in skyrim it was like just join all of them. Yeah, it started kind of falling off a little bit
They we didn't seem as interesting the storylines didn't seem that great Like the the dark brotherhood storyline in oblivion is like one of the best in a video game ever
And then you do the dark brotherhood quest line in skyrim and it's like
I did the mage one and it was like, oh you went on an adventure now. You're king of the mages
Also, you're in the dark brotherhood in the thieves guild and all the rest of them and there's no problems
Whatever, you're just fine. Yeah go run around and then
And then you you see the natural progression of that in starfield and it's just like
None of it matters. You'll be done the entire question for this group of people in like four quests
And then yeah, starfield will never affect anything ever again. So
I got that in skyrim after like 20 30 hours and then in starfield it was hour four
I was like, oh, I know what this game is. I um
Yeah, so like that's one of the reasons why like oblivion a lot
Despite being a mainline morrowind fanboys because you never feel that morrowind you also never feel that in oblivion
And then like you said 30 hours ish in skyrim you start to feel that and then yeah starfield is just yeah
You get through like one of the the quest lines for a guild and then you start another one and it's just
Yeah, yeah, it's over now. Yeah
Shall we do a second merch message? What about second merch message? I do have to be home for for nine tonight
Oh, I need to go pretty soon. So let's try to power through some of these. What a guy. Oh, keep the birds
High lld as a mainframe software engineer. I sometimes storage engineer. Sorry as a mainframe storage engineer
I sometimes am sad that the skills I learn at my job can't be used in a hobby
Uh proprietary imb Z
IBM IMB
No, I know, but they need an idea. Okay. I figured
IBM Z software and code mostly. Have you had similar situations?
I can make second guess myself here. Um I don't know more into management and that's honestly kind of helpful all over the place. Yeah
um It's amazing how similar managing
Employees is to raising kids
So I guess a lot of the skills that I work on at work are also good at home
Uh, I mean, it's just people. It's people interaction. I don't mean that in like a condescending way
I just mean that it's it's people people interaction
Um, so yeah, no, no, not really. I mean, I kind of turned my hobby into a job. So I think yeah, I'm sorry to hear that
but, um also
Good for you if it was positive tail. No
What's that copy pasta?
Uh That's too long. I didn't read it, but I'm sorry that happened to you or congrats. Yeah. Yeah, something like that
It's better written. I ain't reading all that. I'm happy for you though
Um, or sorry that happened. Yeah Yeah
Anyway carry on
Okay Howdy lld Linus, how is your g 915 holding up?
I feel like my keys have gotten loose and the stabilization isn't great anymore
Curious, it's just me or not. Um It's fine other than some of my leds died
Uh, I don't use it that much though. So
Yeah I still like it But I only have one still on my main gaming rig at home, which I don't use as much as like my work computer
Hi Linus, what's the most annoying tech with your pool? Oh my god, all of it
Yeah, yeah here here I've worked on swimming pool since the days of time clock and the touch screen automation has been awful
Is it everything's awful the fact that they want everything to talk to each other but the fact that they don't
and just like how Like it's just I don't know maybe and maybe I'm just maybe I'm just immediate but like
How any of this stuff isn't just completely automated at this point?
Like do you know how the salt cell chlorination works?
You just set it to a percentage duty cycle and then the next day you go and test the water and be like
Is that the right amount of chlorine in it? Like there's no
There's no like I would think you could just put chemicals in a hopper
And it would just like test it on its own and adjust it on its own like the
Because it's not like you don't want to still have to use the chemicals company dude test the pool anyway
What are we going to do after what is the infrastructure team going to do after smash champs open?
I have built a building for you every single year that I have worked here. So what's next year?
Yeah, I've been nearly been here three years. This is my third building. That's up to tarant. The automatic chlorinator machine company. That's up to tarant
So yeah, anyway, it's it's really frustrating and it's just like like the stupidest stuff
Like these are as far as I can tell reasonably sizable companies
But when you turn off the the lights in the pool the led lights in the pool
You can hear it. You can hear the relays going chink chink chink chink. It actually cycles through
It's just programmed to cycle through all the fixed modes instead of just having power off as a
Thing that it can jump to directly. Let's just all right. I'm going home and starting a pool company. This is ridiculous
No, I'm serious. You could kill it. You could kill it I think I would the the stuff that we have to deal with is insane. It costs so much
We got a uv sterilizer for 60 bucks broken off of craigslist. They're like
$3,000 exactly. It's a uv light bulb in a tube exactly
We just need we need to do manufacturing here as well because it has to be another building
It's all just pvc pipe. I'm just saying and light bulb. It just it has to be another building
Yeah, like how oh dude how expensive that stuff is like that's a valve
That's a servo and a molded plastic
What do you mean? They have an expected lifespan of two to four years. Yeah, what are you even talking about?
Are they dealing with chlorinated water? Yeah, but that's not the part like they just still
Still what are they doing chemical plants? They make it out of something else. No, I'm just saying like
They're probably doing things that will be eaten by chlorinated water knowing that you'll have to replace it
Oh, yeah, definitely. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was like a
That's I'm starting to pull automation. Avon Fox says I work with industrial automation for freight and it's all the same issues
Yeah, I I believe you. I'm gonna invent a 15th standard. Nice. Good. Actually. No can bus. I'm doing it with can bus
All right We got it. We gotta keep these going. Oh, yeah, I gave it a hell out of here. Yeah
Uh, saving up for a backpack question for Linus did in
In a valley in a valley can't spell ever make you those light switches or did g e make it right?
um The light switches. I think we're getting an alpha or beta version
Imminently. Oh, yeah, so I'm pretty excited to try out millimeter wave if they're like actually good. No, I still won't think about it
Cool. My house is very iot free and I'm pretty down with it. It's honestly not a bad thing
Yeah, I like my iot garage door openers that I don't think I could ever go back to not having that. Yep
um Spooky but yep, I like my
I like my um Like smart lights in the kids bedroom. They like playing with the colors very basic smart light stuff going on
That is good because we have like lights that turn red at a certain point in night
at night That's good UK fan first time watching live
You discussed risk when licensing your brand if that wasn't a concern what products besides cereal would
Linus and luke be keen to collab with on another brand
Automatic pool chlorinators. Yeah, exactly right. Um, I don't know
I don't know so many of the things that I would want to do is just because like I need a good one
Yeah, and they all suck. Yep. Um Luckily, there's a lot of options in that category. Yeah, like there's the obvious pc stuff
Like I'd love to do a case or something like that Uh, but I at this point
I don't really have a ton of ideas that I don't see someone else doing a good enough job of so
um
I mean I've talked about this before I've wanted to make like a really premium water pistol for a long time like
Like there's just I don't know. There's Stupid stuff, but for the most part
I don't um, I was talking to someone the other night and they were telling me about all their like expensive toys that they have
You know, like they've got some of those like three wheel Almost motorcycle, but it's like two wheels in the front
They have like two of them and then they have like all these like doom buggy things up at their property in the interior and like
He's telling me about all his cars and motorcycles and I'm just like, I don't know. I can only really cool, man
I can only ride one motorcycle at once personally. Yeah, um, and like to be clear like that's that's cool
You know do whatever you want. Um, I'm with I'm with your wife At least it's that and not women, you know that you're spending your money on true
No, that was his joke not mine Like I'm just repeating it
He said I'm with your wife. No, no, no. He said he said
No, he said my wife isn't upset about it because at least I'm just buying stupid
Got it mechanical toys. I'm not spending it on women. Right. Um, and I'm like fair enough
So I'm saying I'm with I'm saying I'm with his off
And she like I'm saying I support his wife's position
Oh, you do
In what way exactly enough
Um Next merge message, okay
Uh, luke we just added a fourth bird to our flock. Do you have any plans to get more? No, no
Beat him to the punch. What kind would you get none?
Dinner chickens. No Well, that's true actually
um No, they're dude. They're so expensive and they take actually a lot of time
I'm not willing to get bigger birds because then their poop is a huge problem
Um Budgie poop is surprisingly convenient. It's just these little pellets and it dries really quickly
So it's very easy to clean larger bird poop is slimy and large and not easy to clean
And that is a huge gap to span and one I am not willing to do unless I
Unless I would have like a huge aviary that they could fly around in which is not gonna happen. So like no
Um, yeah, dude, it would have to be like in this climate You'd have to have it heated and everything and like because they
Well, maybe some other birds are better with it. Budgies do not do well with cold. Well, no, the thing is
I don't know if you know this, but you're you're not allowed to keep native species as a pet
So it's you like you literally couldn't have like a robin. So any of the birds are gonna be good in the cold
I can't have so these little australian birds that are used to super high heat
They have to live up here. So they have to be heated all the time And then it needs to be big enough that they could fly around and entertain themselves
Oh, well, w calderini has a good point. That's only if you want the birds to live
Otherwise you don't have to worry about any of that. Yeah, honestly, it it sucks because they're they're high
Very highly intelligent animals, but they get sold next to things like hamsters
So people just treat them like throw away pets. Yeah, and it's like man, you could just take a pigeon though
They're free And a door duck I was gonna say what you could do is you could get one of those nice smart birds and then just like plop it down in front
of twitch for a couple days Oh, yeah, then it would be much more would be teaching who
I have kind of thought before that I could level it out twitch stream the birds and it would be a decently successful stream
Yeah, oh, yeah burp burp
Pirate software does it right doesn't he it's like a ferret stream or something
I think so surprise me I think I think he does ferret software
Let's see There's a thousand people watching it right now ferrets are characters if I didn't have cats I'd have ferrets
But it's a thousand people watching them sleep. It's a it's a black and white
Look, it's a black and white scene of them just being asleep and they know we're here. Okay
Maybe we should really should we raid them on twitch?
No, no Who cares they don't even like I don't think so. I don't even look at that still
I've even looked at our twitch dashboard today. I don't even think we're allowed to do
Like is this a Are people watching on twitch? Oh, I also look so weird. Oh another dashboard. Oh, you're not technically even watching it
This is like a preview. I never use twitch
Oh, we have 2100. Wow, dude. So his his stream of his sleeping parrots that are doing nothing
Is is half as popular exactly half as popular as the whole way in show
Wow
What's the term skibbety brain rot ohio like I don't know
He's running across the screen and now he's hooked
He's okay Yeah, I am I am now a ferret watcher
All right Okay, let's do another one. Are you getting more birds? No
Okay, having worked on cyberpunk. It feels good to see it being used for benchmarks
What criteria do you use to decide which games are used for benchmarking?
I will say that a lot of our criteria has not been necessarily the criteria. I might have used if I was um
Uh kept in the loop on it
What I will also say is that the criteria we should be using and the criteria we'll be using going forward
Is that we're looking for games that are benchmarkable so that um, so we can get repeatable runs out of them
We're looking for games that are a mix of CPU dependent and GPU dependent games
We want to have a mix of popular games Even if they're older and newer games that take advantage of the newest features
And therefore could be indicative of future game performance could be that's a big asterisk
And we are looking for games that
Basically all of that boils down to we're looking for games that will help us separate the best performers from the worst performers
And it is some combination of of relevance to the player base
Feature support and demanding this the strain that it puts on various parts of your system
Loans lug and Dan how good is a chaotic role like Dan's for career development right now
I'm able to choose between doing interesting stuff without any focus or a stable narrow job at the same company
I don't know I was going to leave that to you guys who employ me and dictate my career rather than me who
Does the things and the stuff I don't really think of myself as dictating anyone's career. I think people
Make themselves valuable to a company and are therefore valuable or they don't so much and they discover that
They aren't I know there is a balance. I think yeah, I think sometimes it
Don't become indispensable It can it can somewhat depend on who
Who you're gonna have to go to if you need Advancement within the company or whatever because some people can treat that very negatively where like
Oh, you're used for a bunch of different things and if I promote you
I'm gonna have to replace you in all these different realms. Therefore. I'm gonna
Halt your career progression because you've been helpful. That's super toxic. It happens though. Yeah
Oh, there's also probably like a lot of it comes down to what is the like culture of your workspace?
And who are you actually working for? um
Because that's going to affect this a lot and if you if you think
If you don't think you're going to stay at the place that you're at
I think it could be a risky strategy Because trying to describe what the heck you've been doing for a while to a prospective employer
Is going to be a lot worse than just being able to write it down in one line because you had a very easy to understand
Here's my job title. Yeah, this is what I did. Here's my job title
There's all kinds of different advice that could be good for different situations
Like my whole the way that I made my way through the ranks at NCIX so quickly was by doing the job that I wanted
to do So I was always spending my time doing whatever I aspired
For my new position to be and we had a really loose
management structure That allowed that but that's not necessarily true at every role
So that's really tough, you know other sort of generally good advice is you know
Get your boss a promotion And then take his spot and then and then a lot of the time no like playing
Playing that game politically. They'll take you with them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah Make make the other people around you look really good
The taking them with them thing is interesting because I've observed this a few times actually where like someone gets
A promotion or even sometimes moves positions entirely. Yeah to a different company and then they're like well
I really like working with this particular person I'm a lot of honestly a lot of skills in the workplace are quite transferable
So I'm sure they can learn this new role and instead of like trying to fish through hiring which is
Honestly a nightmare, um, I can just bring this person on that I know is going to do well
Yeah, a lot of people are saying like times have changed and you know what the times had already changed
I mean realistically millennials did not get a great ride in the workplace
Um, I got I got kind of lucky slash. I I did the right things some combination of the two
um And yeah top gear 12 24s advice that move jobs is is a really important thing if you want to if you want to optimize
Uh, your career path, but it sort of relies on being able to sell yourself to a degree
Right. Um, that's that's part of the whole process of reapplying for a new job
Is you have to be able to to luke's point Communicate effectively what exactly it was that you were doing and why it was so important
And why it will be a benefit to the new company so they should pay you ideally more, right?
It's tough every situation is so So different
Yeah Sorry a lot of it just depends on
What your situation is yeah Hey l l d i dancing in here going well, I have no idea what to do with any of that
Oh, I think that's fine. I I can't get luke promoted. I mean what's above c level?
I have two of those c level at a bigger company
He's already got two companies. I don't think he needs more
I don't want more dude. What about third company? Oh goodness
It's cto of smash jams. Oh
I basically am actually oh crap you are
Nice. Hey l l d. I recently started a new job as a sweet
I don't actually know what sweet stands for software engineer sw
Software is one word. I would assume software engineer. Yeah, me too
In the u.s. My company recently bought in an amon brought in an amazon executive who
Stacked rank aggressively and turned 15 percent of the teams every six months. How common is this in the industry?
I mean we've talked about it a bunch of times layoffs dot fyi or is it just layoff
I'm still sticking with sweet Yeah layoffs dot fyi
Um is an interesting site to poke through every once in a while. Um, oh, yeah gm had a big one recently
Yeah, and like there's a bunch of software people this thing where you bring in a leader from a company that knows how to
Fire huge amounts of people and then you just use them to cleave your company down for stock value or whatever
Yeah, that's a thing has been a thing as well
for a long time It's
It's more talked about now and a lot of really big layoffs have happened over the last little bit
But like this type of activity has happened for a long time
Yeah, layoffs and stack wrecking firings are different. Sure. Whatever ignore the terminology firing a bunch of people is what I meant
Hey dll dot dll I recently picked up a wearable subwoofer called the basslet. Sorry basslet
You did a video about it seven years ago. Do you remember anything about it? It was my first LTT video
Basslet. Yeah, it was a piece of shit
A wearable subwoofer Yeah, it basically vibrated on your wrist and it was supposed to create the effect of like very deep bass or something like that
Yikes
I found the Kickstarter
Yeah, where's that? Where's our video on it? I'm uh, some of our old videos are very difficult to find
Yeah, did they know what a subwoofer is? Here we go
I like that. Yeah, that's that's more like it
Um, what's up? I've been meaning to ask james if uh, he knows they're using him for this
Become a member to this channel. We used to do a lot of really fun like uh, skiddy type stuff
Yeah, so there you go. Yeah, you plug the thing in or something and it's like, I don't know
There's no way that would ever be good
Yeah, no, it's it's dumb less stupid than it sounds. I want one now
It's silent The full power of music and high definition anywhere you go the power of the basslet watch size subwoofer delivers bass right into your body
um, yeah, so
Basically, it's uh, yeah, it was pretty dumb. I think why is this the most replayed moment?
Oh
Okay, that's why Very cool
It's funny. Like dude every time someone's like, yeah, I'm not that into LTT anymore because they'd like become all about like
I can't believe they do potty humor now
We definitely didn't do that. Yeah, literally forever. Yeah
Oh well anyway Next one afternoon. Good sirs
How do you both manage the fact that you're the bosses but also want to get your hands dirty?
Luke, we need to see you in more videos Scrap your words I scratched an itch
Um, I I want to do more. I mean, that's why I'm bringing in more people to help with administrative stuff
It's still not helping much because I'm just doing we were so under-admin'd that um
like I think We've had a lot of challenges to overcome as a company as we've grown
I mean a lot of businesses fail as they make the transition that we're making right now
We have a lot of processes to continue to build. It's a it's it's always it's a journey. It's not a destination
I do want to get my hands dirty more but It hasn't been possible as I've ended up just sort of plugging more gaps that we just didn't have any coverage on before
I think we're a better organization than we were but I think it's clear we need to add
a little bit more structure even now and I think there's things that we can do to
um To make the whole thing run more cleanly and require
Less constant interference from management because I don't think anyone's happy about that
I don't think management wants to be constantly stepping in on things and I don't think people like management constantly coming in and
you know nitpicking at things so um
Hopefully someday some someday someday my job will be to like just play with this stuff again
Because that's really what I'd like to get back to
Any plans for LTT jeans? jeans are hard
Greetings Dan Linus and luke Linus. Are you reconsidering swearing by distilled water after the leak?
I've used 80s volts wagon coolant for years and has corrosion inhibitors for copper
um Yeah, I think i'm just going to give up on some performance and throw a bunch of antifreeze in that loop
And we're still going to do the like grounding thing whatever we're like, we're going to try and make it not um
Electrolytically corrode or whatever was going on in there, but I think i'm just going to throw some anti corrosives in as well
Hey Linus, I've been playing badminton non competitively for about three years now
Any tips for people trying to step up their game and what's your personal racket shoe?
shuttle recommendations Shoes you should you should play in whatever is the most comfortable for you
Here hold on a second Rackets same thing you shouldn't spend a ton on a racket until you are an extremely high level player
Realistically you are way better off with like an entry level as long as it's a one piece graphite
Like like carbon racket like don't get one of those ones with the t joint with the like made out of aluminum or steel or whatever
Like at a proper carbon racket, but beyond that I would say get fresh strings and get a good quality grip
That's way more important than the than the racket for a novice level player
As for how to get better. This is a great channel badminton insight
these two have just uh
Outstanding on camera personalities
Really good tips. They are current professional level players if I recall correctly
Uh, and there's just so many well insights
About badminton uh in their content. They also do some really fun stuff
They did one recently where they played against, um, this eight-year-old and 10-year-old that are absolutely
Incredible little girls players that are ripping it up in the uk right now winning some u17 tournaments and stuff like that
See if I can see if I can find it doesn't matter anyway Uh, they've got a lot of really great tips and a lot of stuff that you can practice at home on your own
You don't even need a court for so Check those guys out. They're doing a great job
And last what's right? I'd be so down
Do a collab. Oh, yeah, that'd be cool Uh, the last one I've got for you is the lux screwdriver still coming
Someday, um, it just hasn't really felt like the right time to do a, you know
$300 screwdriver or whatever it's gonna cost once we're machining every piece of it out of solid
metal Apple leather you should do an apple potentially like exotic metals, you know, like it's um, it's felt like uh, it's felt like a product for a more
um prosperous time and
A lot of our audience has been Has been suffering in a big way like a lot of our audience comes from game dev comes from it comes from
Like the cloud comes from these Companies that are just announcing layoffs after layoffs. So one of the main reasons we haven't moved forward with the lux screwdriver is that we felt
That it would just seem a little tone-deaf like we're not gonna build
We're not gonna start building low quality products. We're gonna unapologetically make high quality products that cost what they cost
but the lux screwdriver, um Feels like such a such a 0.1 percenter item that we're kind of
Thinking we're just gonna leave it alone for a little bit. Yeah, we'll still we'll still do it someday. I'm sure because it's really cool
But like Yeah, not immediately. Yeah
Oh, and I guess that's speaking of immediately it's immediately time to end the show
Oh, we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad channel. Bye
Oh
So sore I'm so sore
I am so sore We really need to make sure that we have