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There we go. Just reconnect. There we are.

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Are we live? We should be. Well, someone didn't like what we were doing.

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Just kidding. The men that live in my walls. No conspiracy theories here.

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We have a 30 amp breaker on the set.

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One of them, so 115 amp is for the top plug of every duplex.

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And then another 15 amp breaker is for the bottom plug of every duplex.

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We thought with modern LED lighting and everything, that would be plenty.

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We may have thought wrong. We were never planning to have streaming machine,

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four gaming rigs, also the two downloading rigs,

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also having the entire set lit at the same time.

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Whoopsie doodles. So we blew up the whole thing.

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Let's continue, shall we? I mean, were we done with this was Apex?

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We were over here. So we're going to head over there now, right?

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You were playing BM and GB we were trying to.

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This monitor's fighting me. Cool. Well, we're back.

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Installing for time. Dan, please tell me you've got something for me.

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I have no monitor here. Nice.

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Let's see. Let's see.

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ARX Fat Alice on the ArcGPU, also only one gig download.

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I don't know what that means. It's a game recommendation. ARX Fat Alice.

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And then. Did you say Fat Alice?

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No, I did not. I think that's a completely different game.

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And then we've got Heal Divir. What's the lines going? Hellbite.

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Have you played that one? Have you started? These are just more game suggestions.

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I've only had four merge messages. I'm so sorry. They're waiting for the release that's happening tomorrow,

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I guess. Oh, man. OK, launch.

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OK.

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Oh, no, is this system not working?

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Uh-oh. That would be embarrassing for Intel.

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I see the fan spinning. That's something.

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I'm living these monitors personally. Yeah, honestly.

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Aging. Aging, definitely. Yes. They're older than the Linus.

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You guys are getting some live troubleshooting now. OK, maybe I'll just hang out and chat then for a little bit.

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Oh, boy. You've got to love it, man.

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High Floatplane chat. OK, we use our jackery as a battery backup for the WAN Show.

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We are not on the WAN Show set. We stream like this so rarely that we don't just

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have like a dedicated giant battery backup for just

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a random live stream. OK, oh, there we go.

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Now we're good. Oh, xWar2 says, I don't think Merch messages are working, Dan.

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Uh-huh. Based on chatter here.

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That's strange. OK, I'll reach out. Have more than four of you.

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Have more than four of you tried to send one.

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Let the camera guy know the camera is glitching every time it moves.

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Oh, man. I don't see it.

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No. OK.

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Well, oh, other people say camera is fine. OK, cool.

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Buy an arc. Lux says mine was the Helldivers one.

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Yeah, camera's fine. If you guys are waiting for the product release tomorrow,

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by the way, you can just pick up a gift card today. I'm just letting you know.

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If you do want to send a Merch message today. Bot04 says, I sent one.

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It did not work. OK, I fix.

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OK, Dan's working on it. Dan's working on it. I have a stupid question.

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I have a stupid answer. OK. Very good.

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If someone buys a gift card and sends it a Merch message today. Yes.

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When they use that gift card tomorrow, can they send another Merch message in?

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Why you got to expose the glitch like that? Fair enough.

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I'm helping you guys out. Sorry. Jordan. Sorry, Linus.

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What about second Merch message?

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It doesn't violate the law of Merch messages. OK.

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But it does violate the spirit. Don't make us close the loophole.

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Don't spam us with Merch messages. Part of the reason for Merch messages

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is that we're trying to reduce the sheer incredible volume

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of messages that we can't possibly hope to respond to all of them.

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So just turn on frame view there.

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I'm working on it. Bloody hell, Jordan.

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Can you just turn to help out, Linus? Can you tell my boys a gamer?

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I found the flaw in the system. What do you want? PC console system.

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He games it. OK, which side am I supposed to have mine on the left?

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I'm doing top right. I was just messing around so I could see it better. Dan, for you, are they supposed to be next to each other

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in your view? Sorry. Dan's doing his own thing over there.

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I'm doing something else. Sorry. No worries. We're good. Let's go consistent back in. This is Team Minji.

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That's how we were before. Shall we drive? Let's drive.

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You know, credit to the team.

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That was actually a pretty quick return to streaming. Not too bad.

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You are crushing me in this game. Oh my goodness, yeah.

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Dude. Oh, I just crushed my car, though. This is not close.

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Poor little truck. Can you hit Y real quick here?

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Y. I saw a dip down to five.

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You saw a dip down to six. So that appears to be just a factor.

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That appears to be an element of this game. That's just not that well-optimized.

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So I'm driving down the street. Me too.

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Living my best life here, getting 100 FPS, dipping to 90.

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You're getting like 140. 140. OK. Dipping to like 110.

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This is far enough off that I've.

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Whoa, it's your CPU.

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14? Is it 74? 14.

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Oh, OK. Never mind. OK, cool. Yeah. The truck has a slight problem.

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Yeah, my truck has some slight problems too. I just want to double check my settings,

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because the last thing I want to do is give a huge W to NVIDIA here, if it's just

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that the settings are different. Do you want to pop the options open up there?

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Yeah, there we go. No.

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Dude. Bunch of highs all the way down. Dude, it's the same.

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Well, yeah, they're doing their jobs.

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Wild. Yeah, am I just running in completely the wrong resolution?

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Not even a little bit. Nope, this is a clear win for NVIDIA.

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They look the same. It's just way better for him right here.

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Wow. All right, what's next? OK. Actually, are we at the same house right now?

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Can you rotate your camera? Because I've got some really glitchy shadows

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on this house over here. I don't play this game a lot, so I don't really

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know if that's just a characteristic of the game. Keep rotating.

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Keep going. Keep going. There's a house down the road that I want to see.

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I'm not there. There. Oh, yeah, that's glitched. OK.

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Cool. You see this one right here? Yeah. Yeah, so it looks like that's just

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a characteristic of this game. That's just the engineer. Because your grass shadows too are super glitchy.

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Yeah, they're real. All right, clear win for NVIDIA.

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Next, what do we got?

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I've seen this before. What are we playing?

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This looks like Skyrim. Oh, Skyrim. Modded Skyrim, apparently.

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OK. Does someone want to talk about what mods we're playing with

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at all here? Let me just fix HDMI 1 one second. Whoa.

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This dead horse just appeared from the ether.

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That may be more of a Skyrim issue than an arc battle issue.

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I mean, the game's only 100 years old. What do you want? I don't have battle mage.

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You don't have battle mage? Oh. Let me check the matrix for you.

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Thank you. Nice.

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Oh, Lordy. We're working on it, guys.

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Dan, do you want to hit me with a merge message? No. Oh, no, camera frozen.

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Also, cam froze. Oh, no. Why?

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Oh, no. What did you do? OK. Hey.

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You have arc one again? Not other cameras working. This one works.

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You have arc? Cool. Quad-HT9. FPS reveal is going to be crazy.

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Heck yeah, guys.

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Man camera. I swear to you all, we had everything working perfectly

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before we started. It was working before it went wrong. Yeah.

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OK. Yeah, cool. Look at the man camera back. Yeah, that's good.

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You have arc one? Working on it.

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Hey, I should have been an accountant.

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Audio is apparently working, so that's cool.

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One out of 15. Cam's back. Cam's back. Yeah.

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So Andy's good. But I don't have HDMI one.

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Arc battle mage still bad? What a host to know.

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I can tell you guys about it. Oh, can you check the monitor output?

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Refresh rate? I just don't have an input for it.

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I mean, I'm getting it from the matrix as well, so I should be fine. OK, OK.

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I'm getting about 125 to 135 in my lows,

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and my averages are around 150 as I'm just kind of walking

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around and oh, wow. I dipped down as low as like 110 when the dragon went overhead.

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Meanwhile, oh, this is really close.

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I think this is going to be a win for NVIDIA, though. I am never seeing anything as high as 180, whereas on arc,

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whereas on NVIDIA, I clearly am.

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I'm also not seeing lows that are dipping as low. My lows are more like 135.

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Oh, there was a 125 there. Oh, yeah, but it's at 110 over there

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with the dragon flying overhead. OK, so where's my dragon at, though, on NVIDIA?

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That's camera. OK, I'm just gaming on NVIDIA here

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while these guys try and figure out what's broken in our chain here.

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On the game stream. It's the bottom of the matrix.

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We're just going to. The monitor is getting the feed from the matrix.

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We're just going to cut all this out, maybe.

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Should we just go in the YouTube editor and just cut this out?

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What do you guys think? Play another game. I'm kind of feeling it.

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No, no, I don't want to play another game yet. I'd rather just, can we just cut this out of the edit?

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We want to see if this is the problem, if the game is a problem.

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Oh, you want me to try another game. Oh, sure, I can do that.

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I can just go to the desktop. How's desktop game sound?

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Stop it. Settings. I'm at 1080p.

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I'm at 60 Hertz, 8-bit.

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Anything? No. RGB.

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Dynamic refresh rate is off. You plugged.

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No. Can we come back to Skyrim?

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I can go back to Skyrim, yes, sir. He's not in Skyrim right now. He's on the desktop.

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A different game, and then come back to Skyrim after. Oh.

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After a whole dive or something. I can do that.

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So why is my mouse not working?

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Is that interesting at all? Does the mouse doesn't work?

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Oh, it works on the desktop. Weird.

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This is weird. OK. Do you want me to just give this computer the old rebootie boot?

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Let me take a gander. Hang on a second, I want to see. Sure.

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OK, it's unplugged. LMG got hit with an EMP, only explanation.

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Right. Yeah, 100%. Because you mentioned Grand Theft Auto 6.

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What's that? You mentioned Grand Theft Auto 6. Well, we shouldn't have done it.

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We shouldn't have mentioned it. We shouldn't have done it. Nope.

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All right.

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All right, in theory, I sent a merge message, says Jax. Maybe I'll open up the dashboard.

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Oh, no, if only I could remember the URL.

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No, I think I got it. You'll be redirected shortly.

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OK. I'm going to sign in, and then maybe I can just do some merge messages in the meantime

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while we wait for us to get this resolved.

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That shouldn't have impacted this. This is all white.

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Nope. The dashboard is not working properly for me.

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I'm having fun. This is fun.

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Oh, sorry. Are we trying a new cable here, Jordan? Yep.

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Cool.

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Don't worry, our crack team is on it.

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All right, that's back. OK. It's back?

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Yeah. Oh, how exciting.

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We back, Jordan? I think so. Let's go, buddy.

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Let's go back. Heck yeah. OK.

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I turned the wall. Skyrim, you won. Yay.

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OK, let's move on. Sorry.

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We had some stuff go on that I think we're going to need. OK.

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OK. OK. OK.

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OK. OK. OK.

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Sorry. We had some stuff go on that I think we're going to cut from the vaude of this because,

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frankly, it wasn't that entertaining. Let's move on.

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I have no idea what this is. Helldivers.

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Helldivers, OK. Here we go, boys. OK.

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Frame view, I guess. Oh, this is rough. Wow.

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Now, I am getting 95 FPS.

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I am not. But as someone who has seen 95 FPS before.

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This is rough. Hell you. This ain't it.

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Watch this. What's wrong with your legs?

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Is this game supposed to feel correct? This terrible?

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I don't know. Oh, does it feel terrible for you, too?

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Oh, yeah. It's garbage. Oh.

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I've never played this. I don't know. Is this just a thing, you guys?

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Does this game just suck? How dare you. Oh, we hit a nerve with Dan.

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Because it does not. That's not very patriotic of you.

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How do you run, Dan? This does not feel. Oh, I am running.

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All right. Let me have a look. Someone says it's a bad map and it's just how it is sometimes.

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That's, ooh, that's yikesy.

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See how it feels. Okay. Oh, no, no, no.

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No, no, no. It's so jello-y. No, no, no, no, no.

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Okay. Is there an in-game setting that we have? Like your thread time.

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All right. I am the Dan now. Something.

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Try a different map. Go back to the ship. Render scale, native.

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Camera shakes to, oh no, that shouldn't be it. Go back to the ship.

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I don't know about you. Can I sync off? I mean, all of this looks fine.

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Ultra. I guess I don't care.

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Okay. Yeah. Let's go back to the ship alone.

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Because the second I was watching Dan use it, I could see the problem.

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It was almost like a, like a jello effect as he's moving around.

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Super ugly. But some of you are saying that could be the map.

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Some of you are saying it could be to do with the game's motion blur settings.

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So in general, guys, kill any motion blur that you find.

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Motion blur is terrible for in-game feel.

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So where do I go?

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I just hit a blind aim. Motion blur is cranked.

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Okay. Okay. Let's run back and see if that fixes it.

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Ew. Ew. That is nasty.

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Nasty, Jess. Especially running at 140. Like our frame times are six milliseconds, which is great.

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Blue. Let's just set it to low.

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Okay. Graphic. Okay.

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Hold on. Let me keep up with you here in terms of changes that we're making.

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Is there a first, there's a first person view, right?

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I don't think so. Oh really?

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I don't know. Does it feel good? No, it really doesn't feel good.

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Oh, now it's moving. Is that it? I doubt it.

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Oh yeah. Is that it? Yeah, that's a lot better.

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Oh, okay. All right. Good to know.

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Why would you put that in your game?

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Is that in gameplay or mouse and controller? Mouse and keyboard, mouse moving.

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You feeling all right? You got the CES plague? No, I just have a coldish thing.

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I mean, I'm like on day five, I'm probably not even contagious.

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Better safe than safe. Okay.

00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:32.880
So how do I, how do I go somewhere now?

00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.880
Okay. I guess we have to pick a thing.

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I don't really this game. So you'll, you'll have to help me pick the same thing as you.

00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:42.880
That's fine. Galactic war. Super versus context.

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Yeah. Okay. Okay.

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Dismiss. Okay. And then I go there.

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I go to the purple one. I guess we'll go to Amra. Yeah, sure.

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Okay. And then find, I don't know, your health.

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Yeah, just hit dismiss. Okay.

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Look on the purple thing. You bet. That's highlighted.

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Okay. All right. Let's go.

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See if you can find a similar location to me. I'm not in the red area.

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Okay. I'm on the planet. Let's go to Australia.

00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:16.880
Yeah. Is this Australia? Oh, no, we can't go to Australia.

00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.880
Okay. Let's go to New Zealand. It's going to pick a different one.

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Okay. Cool. All right.

00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.880
Let's see how it goes. I don't like computers.

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That's pretty fair.

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All right. Thanks, Dan. Bye.

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See you later. Oh, man. Well, hey, I'm having fun.

00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:52.880
Am I though?

00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.880
Okay. What's the BGT benchmark for?

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Oh, I'm ready. Oh, no.

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Oh, is this how? Okay.

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I have to, like, pick stuff. I don't know. Sure.

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Whatever. I'm ready. All right.

00:19:07.880 --> 00:19:11.880
I feel bad for my squad mates because I have no idea how to this game.

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I have no idea what I'm doing wrong here.

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Oh, you get ready. Yeah. You have to pick inventory items.

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Okay. And then, yeah. And then.

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And then it will drop you down. I've been kicked from the game.

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That's probably fair. Yeah, that's fine.

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That makes a ton of sense. Okay, cool.

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Okay. I want to kick you too. Now there's some action.

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So we can kind of see what to expect.

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It's definitely better than it was before. We should not have had motion blur and mouse moving on.

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I'm getting, like, a little high 120s. I would double check your settings.

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Okay. Just make sure you're both on, like, whatever I did.

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This is the ultra preset, I think. Yeah.

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Okay. Yeah, because that looks too much more higher. Yeah, I'm on low now.

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Yeah. Okay. So ultra preset.

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Motion blur off. Yeah. Okay.

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Perfect. Perfect. Wait, wait.

00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:09.880
You've got a bunch of stuff that's still lowest. Okay, yeah, we're good. Okay, cool.

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I hadn't applied yet. How are we looking? So around 60.

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Oh, wow. A little bit higher for R. I think this might be a, I think this might be a tidy little W for Arc here.

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Yeah. Yeah, I'm not getting better than 60 really.

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Interesting. I'm in the 70s, 80s.

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I'm going to try and find some more dense foliage though.

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Okay. You're in a different...

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I have found some dense zombies. Area.

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We are in a different... Wow, we're in a different...

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The same planet. Environment. Like, he's fighting.

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So if I fight something, maybe that'll help, but I don't know if I can actually...

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Fight some fire. Can I fight anything, Dan, if I'm kicked from the game?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, you're fine. Okay.

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That wasn't very patriotic of them. I'll go try and find something to fight. Oh, are you dead already?

00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:55.880
I'm a little bit dead. Okay. To be fair, you're not mad at us, so...

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I would kick you as well. How do I find something to fight?

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Shoot until they shoot back.

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Thank you, Jordan.

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Glad to help out.

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I think I've seen enough to call this a win though.

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All right. Win for Ark. Let's move on to our next game.

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Are we ready? We're not ready. Yep, you're ready.

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Oh, we are? Yep, place him. All right.

00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:31.880
Let's go. Oh, just the board isn't refreshing.

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That's all. Wolf... You want to hit reload on there?

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WolfistWolf says, I am going to say 4060 has multiple players and is during the day that

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will impact performance. Yes, that is very true.

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I suspect not that much more though.

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Okay, ready to fly. Here we go. Okay.

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You appear to be in New York. Oh, we're still got Skyrim on here.

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Is my controller supposed to be doing anything? Presumably a Vicky Fly.

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Neat. Keep default. Hey, there we go.

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Boom, that helps. Oh, wow.

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This is not running great.

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Also, I need frame view. I'm getting like 50 frames.

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Okay. That is a bad camera angle. I don't know if I'm getting 50 here.

00:22:19.580 --> 00:22:23.580
That didn't go well. Yeah, I am not getting 50 FPS.

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How do I throttle up? Yes.

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I need a bit more throttle. That ain't it.

00:22:29.580 --> 00:22:32.580
That's the rudder. Okay. No, here we go.

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I found that. A is throttle up. Okay, good.

00:22:35.580 --> 00:22:38.580
Or maybe an X. I'm not sure. Where's my ailerons?

00:22:38.580 --> 00:22:41.580
I flew RC planes a couple of times.

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Okay, there we go. Okay, here we go, boys. Okay.

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Oh, my goodness. Please tell me this isn't New York.

00:22:48.580 --> 00:22:52.580
It is New York. Oh, God. Let's get that very badly for us.

00:22:52.580 --> 00:22:56.580
Ah, we now know why merge messages are not working.

00:22:56.580 --> 00:22:59.580
Oh, we're fixing merge messages. Heck yeah. No.

00:22:59.580 --> 00:23:03.580
I thought maybe just nobody liked us anymore. Webhooks are down from Shopify.

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Okay. Okay, so we may not be able to fix it.

00:23:06.580 --> 00:23:10.580
No, we can't fix it. Hooray. This is a great day for tech.

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Yay. Truly a great day for Canada and therefore the world.

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Okay. How do we look in Jordan?

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No. You are crushing me. Consistently high 50s.

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You are crushing me in this game.

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Oh, your CPU is crazy too. Dude, are you seeing my dips here, brother?

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Like, I am getting dips that feel like 40 millisecond frame times.

00:23:35.580 --> 00:23:38.580
Wow. Like, oh, maybe higher.

00:23:38.580 --> 00:23:41.580
Maybe more like 60 actually thinking about it. Oh God.

00:23:41.580 --> 00:23:45.580
I'm getting low, low frame times too, actually, but.

00:23:45.580 --> 00:23:49.580
Sorry. Yeah, this is a very busy map.

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This is not great. There's a lot of buildings to render.

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But that's the whole point, right? Like, that's what we're trying to do.

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We're trying to see what a bad scenario looks like.

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I'm also in a very slow plane, but I can't fix that.

00:24:06.580 --> 00:24:11.580
Man, I'm clearly going to need to log a lot more hours in this game

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before we actually move forward with our tech plane.

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Those who watch WAN Show will know.

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What do you think, Jordan? Would that be pretty fun? Teching out a plane?

00:24:21.580 --> 00:24:24.580
Would you be down? Who's our pilot?

00:24:24.580 --> 00:24:27.580
Not me. Okay, then we're okay with this.

00:24:27.580 --> 00:24:31.580
Yeah. As long as you stay out of the cockpit, we'll be okay.

00:24:31.580 --> 00:24:34.580
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm all about shuttle cocks, not cockpits.

00:24:34.580 --> 00:24:37.580
All right. Slightly different.

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Yeah, pretty different. We've got a cruise ship over here.

00:24:40.580 --> 00:24:44.580
Okay. Oh. You know what?

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Okay, hold on a second. Let's try and find kind of the same spot.

00:24:48.580 --> 00:24:51.580
Okay, where's that cruise ship at? In the water.

00:24:51.580 --> 00:24:56.580
What a dick! Here, I'll go to downtown Manhattan, Heliport.

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Manhattan, Heliport. Okay.

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How the devil am I supposed to find that, sir?

00:25:02.580 --> 00:25:05.580
We'll go to South. How about we go to Central Park? Okay, fine.

00:25:05.580 --> 00:25:11.580
Okay, because that's where I am. Oh, jeez, cheater.

00:25:11.580 --> 00:25:15.580
Oh, Lordy. Okay. You gotta get to the altitude to figure out where I am here.

00:25:15.580 --> 00:25:19.580
Okay, rudder. Bibbit. Bibbit, bit, bit, bit.

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Oh, there we are. Okay. Ooh, I got a rainbow.

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Okay, I want us both to kind of fly. Oh, you found the park?

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I'm working on it, yeah. Oh, heck yeah, what a guy. Okay.

00:25:28.580 --> 00:25:32.580
Oh, dude, you're two nautical miles away. You're playing so slow.

00:25:32.580 --> 00:25:40.580
It's the same plane. It's mine. Because the altitude we're flying at is making a pretty big difference.

00:25:40.580 --> 00:25:43.580
Oh, God. What did you just do?

00:25:43.580 --> 00:25:46.580
Don't worry about it. All right. Oh, crap.

00:25:46.580 --> 00:25:49.580
Pull up. Pull up. Darn it.

00:25:49.580 --> 00:25:52.580
So, I'm at the park now.

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How you doing? Not as good as that.

00:25:55.580 --> 00:25:58.580
I think this is a clear win card video. Oh, 350 still, yeah.

00:25:58.580 --> 00:26:03.580
In terms of performance, right? Pricing is obviously going to be a factor.

00:26:03.580 --> 00:26:06.580
Yep. Park looks nice. Strong W, though.

00:26:06.580 --> 00:26:09.580
Oh, hey, look, I started right above the park.

00:26:09.580 --> 00:26:12.580
Hey. Oh, dude, how well did that work? Okay.

00:26:12.580 --> 00:26:16.080
We're both at kind of opposite ends, but I'm going to try to get to a similar altitude to you.

00:26:16.080 --> 00:26:19.080
So, I'm around, okay. I'm going to come down. I'm like 700 feet.

00:26:19.080 --> 00:26:22.580
Oh, 700 feet? Cool. I'll come back up before I crash again.

00:26:22.580 --> 00:26:25.580
Okay, around 700 feet. 58 FPS.

00:26:25.580 --> 00:26:29.580
Yeah. You're like 20% better than me.

00:26:29.580 --> 00:26:32.580
This is not close. Yep. All right.

00:26:32.580 --> 00:26:35.580
I think we should move on to our next one.

00:26:35.580 --> 00:26:41.580
I don't think we have a next one yet. You don't have the next one yet?

00:26:41.580 --> 00:26:45.580
That makes sense. Are we just buying it? We are trying to.

00:26:45.580 --> 00:26:51.580
Oh. Oh. Did you just need me to just give you a card?

00:26:51.580 --> 00:26:54.580
Nope. Okay. We have bought it.

00:26:54.580 --> 00:26:57.580
Oh, okay. Nice. Wow.

00:26:57.580 --> 00:27:00.580
What a guy. No, no. You're doing great.

00:27:00.580 --> 00:27:03.580
Dude, dude. No. I mean, look.

00:27:03.580 --> 00:27:06.580
When I said 50 games, that was... Optimistic?

00:27:06.580 --> 00:27:12.580
Very optimistic. Oh, my. We'll get to as many games as we can, and we're going to have a heck of a time doing it.

00:27:12.580 --> 00:27:18.580
That's simple. George says, Reese, you're killing it.

00:27:18.580 --> 00:27:24.580
Thanks, man. Hey, I didn't even crash the plane while I went to do that.

00:27:24.580 --> 00:27:27.580
That's awesome. Don't stand behind the monitor, Linus.

00:27:28.580 --> 00:27:31.580
It's taller than you. George says you're welcome.

00:27:31.580 --> 00:27:41.580
This is my new role. I just act as the interpreter between chat and the people here.

00:27:41.580 --> 00:27:44.580
Chat says something horribly toxic.

00:27:44.580 --> 00:27:51.580
What they mean to say is, our weird parasocial relationship is probably unhealthy, and we

00:27:51.580 --> 00:27:54.580
need to reflect on ourselves. Our weird parasocial... No, no, no.

00:27:54.580 --> 00:27:57.580
Not you and me. There's with us. Just kidding.

00:27:57.580 --> 00:28:00.580
Chat's actually been super wholesome today.

00:28:00.580 --> 00:28:09.580
For now. Just teasing you guys. Cthulhu says, with merch messages broken, can I call them a scam?

00:28:09.580 --> 00:28:13.580
No, because I can still chat. No, I think scam has to have an intent.

00:28:13.580 --> 00:28:17.580
Does scam have to have an intent? It certainly has a connotation of an intent.

00:28:17.580 --> 00:28:20.580
Oh, I've got 14 now. Oh, are they coming in?

00:28:20.580 --> 00:28:23.580
I don't know. Let me just keep on top of it.

00:28:23.580 --> 00:28:26.580
So, I'll let you know.

00:28:26.580 --> 00:28:29.580
Okay, do you have one for me?

00:28:29.580 --> 00:28:33.580
Yeah, let me read them.

00:28:33.580 --> 00:28:38.580
I have some fun news that I can share.

00:28:38.580 --> 00:28:43.580
For those of you who care about shuttle cocks like I do, Smash Champs got its new courts

00:28:43.580 --> 00:28:48.580
delivered today. So, they are there right now being unloaded.

00:28:48.580 --> 00:28:54.580
So, hopefully sometime in the next, let's say three weeks to a month, the whole thing

00:28:54.580 --> 00:28:59.580
will actually be done. Maybe we could do another video update. I think we're still waiting on the city for some of the land stuff.

00:28:59.580 --> 00:29:05.580
But my understanding is that Chase is moving forward full steam with the assumption that

00:29:05.580 --> 00:29:10.580
we're going to get our temporary use permit figured out. So, whale land.

00:29:10.580 --> 00:29:14.580
Whale land is hopefully going to be a thing.

00:29:14.580 --> 00:29:17.580
What else can I do? Dan. I've got some for you now.

00:29:17.580 --> 00:29:22.580
Hit me, Dan. I'm saving you. Thank goodness.

00:29:22.580 --> 00:29:25.580
When are you going to make an LTT UK store?

00:29:25.580 --> 00:29:28.580
An LTT? UK. United Kingdom.

00:29:28.580 --> 00:29:35.580
Ah, UK store. Okay. So, this is one that obviously we've got a ton of feedback from people on.

00:29:35.580 --> 00:29:44.580
Our, I'm trying to think actually, our second biggest viewer market is Europe for sure.

00:29:44.580 --> 00:29:51.580
But is it the UK? Um, that's a good question that I'm not 100% sure of the answer yet.

00:29:51.580 --> 00:29:57.580
I will look right now. Yes, it is. Our second biggest viewing block is the United Kingdom after the United States.

00:29:57.580 --> 00:30:00.580
So, we're about 33% US, which used to be higher actually.

00:30:00.580 --> 00:30:04.580
It used to be more like 40 plus. Um, now it's 33.

00:30:04.580 --> 00:30:07.580
UK has grown a lot. We're at like 8% there.

00:30:07.580 --> 00:30:10.580
Uh, 5.7% Canada. That's our home turf.

00:30:10.580 --> 00:30:13.580
So, we're a little over represented in Canadian viewership.

00:30:13.580 --> 00:30:16.580
But that kind of makes sense compared to population, I mean.

00:30:16.580 --> 00:30:19.580
Uh, and then Germany actually.

00:30:19.580 --> 00:30:24.580
Then India. Then Australia, Netherlands, Philippines, Sweden, Poland, and other.

00:30:24.580 --> 00:30:28.580
Um, so, you guys are probably looking at that going, well, it's obvious.

00:30:28.580 --> 00:30:33.580
You guys should have a UK store. The challenge is inventory.

00:30:33.580 --> 00:30:36.580
Go on LTT Store right now. I dare you.

00:30:36.580 --> 00:30:41.580
You don't have to buy anything. Just go to the store. And look at how many items are out of stock.

00:30:41.580 --> 00:30:45.580
That's not because our team is just a bunch of incompetent jackals.

00:30:45.580 --> 00:30:49.580
That's because our items are highly custom.

00:30:49.580 --> 00:30:54.580
Even our blank shirts, our custom blank shirts manufactured just for us.

00:30:54.580 --> 00:30:59.580
Um, very few of the things that we sell are just resold from some other

00:30:59.580 --> 00:31:05.580
warehouser or distributor that we can quickly and easily order replenishment inventory from.

00:31:05.580 --> 00:31:10.580
So what that means is that managing the supply chain is something that A,

00:31:10.580 --> 00:31:14.580
we came into this with no experience with and we've had to learn a lot as we go.

00:31:14.580 --> 00:31:20.580
And B, with the sheer volume of skews that we carry is really, really challenging.

00:31:20.580 --> 00:31:24.580
Because you look at this and you see a shirt.

00:31:24.580 --> 00:31:30.580
I look at this and I see three different colors of blanks.

00:31:30.580 --> 00:31:36.580
Times, you multiply, you don't add, times six different sizes.

00:31:36.580 --> 00:31:41.580
So now every, like shirt potentially, right?

00:31:41.580 --> 00:31:50.580
Not everything has multiple color ways, but every, every shirt can easily be a dozen to a couple of dozen skews or stock keeping units.

00:31:50.580 --> 00:31:57.580
And it's the same for basically anything. You look at these and you see some pretty cool cargo pants with magnetic flaps

00:31:57.580 --> 00:32:01.580
and tons of great pockets for, you know, your phone or whatever else.

00:32:01.580 --> 00:32:05.580
I look at them and I see a bunch of different sizes,

00:32:05.580 --> 00:32:08.580
times a bunch of different inseam lengths potentially.

00:32:08.580 --> 00:32:11.580
We are adding an inseam length to the cargo pants in our restock.

00:32:11.580 --> 00:32:15.580
Times color ways, we're adding a navy blue at some point in the future.

00:32:15.580 --> 00:32:20.580
So I look at it and I see 60 stock keeping units.

00:32:20.580 --> 00:32:25.580
As you guys can probably imagine, some skews are a little more popular than others.

00:32:25.580 --> 00:32:31.580
So your, your, your black shirt in medium is going to sell a little bit more than your, you know,

00:32:31.580 --> 00:32:37.580
olive design in Kudruple XL or, you know, or, or, or extra small or whatever, right?

00:32:37.580 --> 00:32:43.580
So those, those, those, those average, average user skews are going to sell a little bit better.

00:32:43.580 --> 00:32:47.580
However, there are factors that you can't really predict.

00:32:47.580 --> 00:32:53.580
Some styles, for instance, seem to really resonate with the, the big end tall crowd.

00:32:53.580 --> 00:32:57.580
Whereas other styles seem to really resonate with the more petite crowd.

00:32:57.580 --> 00:33:03.580
And it's, it's not always something that we could recognize the pattern in.

00:33:03.580 --> 00:33:08.580
So keeping everything in stock across all variants and all sizes,

00:33:08.580 --> 00:33:13.580
really, really, really, really flip in challenging, really difficult.

00:33:13.580 --> 00:33:18.580
You want to play a game? Now we want to do that across an ocean.

00:33:18.580 --> 00:33:22.580
So we need to make sure that when we get our, our order mix, right?

00:33:22.580 --> 00:33:28.580
When it's perfect, we get our order split across our various warehouse locations, right?

00:33:28.580 --> 00:33:34.580
And someday I want to, I want to very, very, very, very, very, very much.

00:33:34.580 --> 00:33:41.580
But it is not this day. The other thing that I think people are not factoring in is I signed a quarter million

00:33:41.580 --> 00:33:45.580
dollar check yesterday for our logistics company.

00:33:45.580 --> 00:33:49.580
That is not an abnormal thing for me to do.

00:33:49.580 --> 00:33:55.580
It's really, really, really expensive, storing inventory and having people staff,

00:33:55.580 --> 00:33:58.580
having staff in a warehouse, picking, packing, shipping.

00:33:58.580 --> 00:34:04.580
And because we have so many SKUs and so much of our stuff is so custom and unique,

00:34:04.580 --> 00:34:07.580
there's, there's training required.

00:34:07.580 --> 00:34:11.580
We can't just like, unless it's just like, ask you of the screwdriver.

00:34:11.580 --> 00:34:18.580
Just throw it in some random 3PL and hope that their fulfillment accuracy is going to be decent.

00:34:18.580 --> 00:34:23.580
So if we were to have another DC, the distribution center somewhere else,

00:34:23.580 --> 00:34:26.580
well now that's overhead. I'm paying for it.

00:34:26.580 --> 00:34:29.580
Like I'm paying for the storage regardless of whether we ship anything.

00:34:29.580 --> 00:34:34.580
I'm paying for the training. I'm paying for the setup. Who do you think pays for it?

00:34:34.580 --> 00:34:40.580
You. So right now, yeah, our shipping costs from the Canadian DC are really expensive in other regions.

00:34:40.580 --> 00:34:43.580
And you have to pay for that.

00:34:43.580 --> 00:34:46.580
But if we have a DC in another region and it adds a bunch of overhead,

00:34:46.580 --> 00:34:55.580
you're going to pay for that too. So the difference may not be as much as you think is kind of where I'm going with this.

00:34:55.580 --> 00:34:59.580
Like you look around at other like merch stores, you know, other YouTubers.

00:34:59.580 --> 00:35:03.580
It is not uncommon for their t-shirts to be $35, $40.

00:35:03.580 --> 00:35:08.580
Ours are 20. So yeah, you're going to pay $25 in shipping.

00:35:08.580 --> 00:35:12.580
But like and not everything's like that.

00:35:12.580 --> 00:35:15.580
Some of our stuff is quite premium and is priced on the higher side.

00:35:15.580 --> 00:35:19.580
But I'm just saying there's this is not black and white.

00:35:19.580 --> 00:35:26.580
And there's a lot more nuance to it than just Linus is too cheap to have a UK distribution center.

00:35:26.580 --> 00:35:29.580
Okay. I got to see us two going for you.

00:35:29.580 --> 00:35:32.580
Let's go. All right.

00:35:32.580 --> 00:35:35.580
Where are we at in the map? Yep. Yes.

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That's your answer. Wherever you started.

00:35:38.580 --> 00:35:43.580
Okay. Cool. I'm heading towards getting dead.

00:35:43.580 --> 00:35:48.580
Let's go. I'm heading towards, man, I haven't played.

00:35:48.580 --> 00:35:53.580
This is Italy, right? I haven't played Italy since 1.6.

00:35:53.580 --> 00:35:56.580
Banana B. Rush B. Oh.

00:35:56.580 --> 00:35:59.580
What's that? Rush B. Okay.

00:35:59.580 --> 00:36:02.580
I'm heading to B. Let's head to B. I don't know where that is.

00:36:02.580 --> 00:36:08.580
Okay. So your highs are definitely more higher than mine.

00:36:08.580 --> 00:36:11.580
Sorry guys. Y'all. Y'all.

00:36:11.580 --> 00:36:14.580
A little bit. B is this way.

00:36:14.580 --> 00:36:20.580
Okay. I'm in B. Maybe not as higher as I thought maybe they were.

00:36:20.580 --> 00:36:25.580
The performance is definitely very different depending on where you are in this map.

00:36:25.580 --> 00:36:29.580
So hanging around in B. This is about the lowest I've seen.

00:36:29.580 --> 00:36:35.580
And I guess just because I'm looking down this range.

00:36:35.580 --> 00:36:41.580
But I'm getting averages as low as like 135.

00:36:41.580 --> 00:36:48.580
You know, I'm seeing dips to 100, more like 160, 150 a bit more commonly than that.

00:36:48.580 --> 00:36:52.580
Mostly in the high 130s.

00:36:52.580 --> 00:36:55.580
Interesting. Are you at B yet though? No.

00:36:55.580 --> 00:36:58.580
It's very different depending where you are. I have not been able to get to B.

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I mean, I believe in you brother. You got this.

00:37:02.580 --> 00:37:09.580
You got this. I can't count that high.

00:37:09.580 --> 00:37:14.580
I believe in you. You're going to get to B and it's going to be glorious.

00:37:14.580 --> 00:37:18.580
And then I'm going to die or something. It's going to be awesome.

00:37:18.580 --> 00:37:21.580
Do I still have any health? Am I still?

00:37:21.580 --> 00:37:24.580
Oh yeah. So that's any health. Okay.

00:37:24.580 --> 00:37:28.580
Okay. Here we go. I think this is inferno.

00:37:28.580 --> 00:37:31.580
Oh inferno. Sorry. Thanks Chase.

00:37:31.580 --> 00:37:36.580
I knew I could count on. Like 160, 170, but lows are like 80.

00:37:36.580 --> 00:37:40.580
This is looking like it might be a win for me.

00:37:40.580 --> 00:37:43.580
I think it might be. It's not a big one though.

00:37:43.580 --> 00:37:49.580
It's really close. But my lows, 68 just there.

00:37:49.580 --> 00:37:53.580
I think this is going to be a tie. This looks like a draw to me.

00:37:53.580 --> 00:37:57.580
It's pretty close. What do you guys think? There's snow in the Floatplane chat.

00:37:57.580 --> 00:38:04.580
What do you guys think? They want me to shoot the water.

00:38:04.580 --> 00:38:09.580
I'm not convinced that's having a huge impact guys.

00:38:09.580 --> 00:38:12.580
The water's right back apparently. Yeah.

00:38:12.580 --> 00:38:17.580
Slight favor for Intel or tie? I think I'm going to go with tie on this one Dan.

00:38:17.580 --> 00:38:20.580
It's close enough. Okay. Is our next one ready boys?

00:38:20.580 --> 00:38:25.580
You sure do love having a story.

00:38:25.580 --> 00:38:32.580
Reese is fighting his way through the intro cinematic.

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See you in two hours. We can talk about our sponsor a little bit if you want to jump to that.

00:38:37.580 --> 00:38:43.580
Yeah, we could do that. Are you on your prompter? Poor Andy has got the stupid teleprompter on just because I need to do the sponsor spot.

00:38:43.580 --> 00:38:46.580
Okay, well why don't we talk about the sponsor and then we'll ditch the teleprompter.

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00:39:39.580 --> 00:39:42.580
Andy, do you just want to ditch the prompter for a little bit?

00:39:42.580 --> 00:39:45.580
I feel like that would be nice for Andy to not have to deal with that.

00:39:45.580 --> 00:39:48.580
Cool. Andy has an assistant to help him do that even.

00:39:48.580 --> 00:39:52.580
Should we close this down and maybe you and I start launching another game over here while they fight with that?

00:39:52.580 --> 00:39:57.580
All right. Is there a particular one that is next in the queue?

00:39:57.580 --> 00:40:00.580
We could just fire up Horizon?

00:40:00.580 --> 00:40:06.580
Forza? Okay, let's fire up Forza Horizon 5.

00:40:06.580 --> 00:40:10.580
Cool. All right, Dan, do you have a merge message for me?

00:40:10.580 --> 00:40:15.580
I'm having some issues with your mic. Horizon needs the Xbox logo and it's a pain in the butt.

00:40:15.580 --> 00:40:18.580
Oh.

00:40:18.580 --> 00:40:22.580
I thought you meant Zero Dawn. Oh, I could do Horizon Zero Dawn?

00:40:22.580 --> 00:40:25.580
Okay. I love Horizon Zero Dawn. Yeah, I've got a...

00:40:25.580 --> 00:40:28.580
Or I've got a merge message for you. Oh, there you go.

00:40:28.580 --> 00:40:31.580
You got a merge message. All right. Hey, me, Dan.

00:40:31.580 --> 00:40:34.580
Sure. Complete addition? Remastered, I would think.

00:40:34.580 --> 00:40:37.580
Oh, yeah. Hello, LCT.

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I have a 1080 non-TI and have upgraded every part of my PC except the GPU.

00:40:44.580 --> 00:40:51.580
Would you suggest a 5090 or a used 4090 for someone who could afford it but is still very, very cheap?

00:40:51.580 --> 00:40:58.580
I think I'd have a hard time recommending a 90 card.

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I'm in a similar boat. Anything with a 90 at the end to anyone who describes themselves as super cheap.

00:41:06.580 --> 00:41:09.580
Yeah. Me?

00:41:09.580 --> 00:41:13.580
You know what? Let's play eBay Simulator.

00:41:13.580 --> 00:41:16.580
All right.

00:41:16.580 --> 00:41:28.580
I would hazard a guess that 3090s are probably starting to look kind of interesting.

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RTX.

00:41:31.580 --> 00:41:35.580
Nope. They are not looking especially interesting.

00:41:35.580 --> 00:41:38.580
Wow, it is amazing.

00:41:38.580 --> 00:41:49.580
When all the new cards are using AI Framegen in order to achieve more FPS, how the older cards that have the grunt...

00:41:49.580 --> 00:41:52.580
You lost dollars, brother.

00:41:52.580 --> 00:41:56.580
That's like 1,100 Canadian. Why not compared to the rest of these?

00:41:56.580 --> 00:41:59.580
Yeah. The rest of them are auctions.

00:42:00.580 --> 00:42:03.580
It's still too much.

00:42:03.580 --> 00:42:11.580
If it was me and I was looking for bang for the buck, I have a 3080 in my daily driver gaming rig downstairs.

00:42:11.580 --> 00:42:16.580
I almost never use my upstairs one for gaming anymore because I've been playing more games with my son.

00:42:16.580 --> 00:42:19.580
So it's nice if we can sit next to each other.

00:42:19.580 --> 00:42:23.580
Oh yeah, sure. I'll get it. Sorry, boys.

00:42:23.580 --> 00:42:27.580
So I'm running a 3080 there. A 3080?

00:42:27.580 --> 00:42:36.580
It still handles everything. However, if you're an affluent gamer who's just like, realistically, I am considering a 4090.

00:42:36.580 --> 00:42:39.580
I don't know, dude. Yeah.

00:42:39.580 --> 00:42:43.580
Or a 5090, rather. I don't know. Yeah, maybe just go 4090.

00:42:43.580 --> 00:42:54.580
Here's the problem, though. Here's the problem. If you buy a 4090 today, you are buying last generation's technology at a price per frame that is pretty much equal to today's generation technology.

00:42:55.580 --> 00:42:58.580
Yeah. I'm in a very similar place.

00:42:58.580 --> 00:43:02.580
I'm on a 1080 Ti still because the upgrade is just not worth it.

00:43:02.580 --> 00:43:12.580
It's too bloody much to upgrade. So my issue here is that because the 5090 looks like in terms of raw raster, sorry, I know too much to speculate,

00:43:12.580 --> 00:43:17.580
there are rumors that the raw raster will be some amount more, right?

00:43:17.580 --> 00:43:23.580
Yep. And it'll have better AI stuff and it'll have better ray tracing stuff and all that, which is super cool.

00:43:23.580 --> 00:43:31.580
But because it's like a bit more and is priced a bit more, my concern is that 4090s aren't really going to drop in value that much.

00:43:31.580 --> 00:43:34.580
No. I don't think they will for a long time.

00:43:34.580 --> 00:43:42.580
So if I want to bang for the buck, that 3090 actually looks not bad.

00:43:42.580 --> 00:43:51.580
Maybe going in and if you can swing a deal on a 4070 Super or Ti.

00:43:52.580 --> 00:43:57.580
Or, I mean, look, I make okay money.

00:43:57.580 --> 00:44:00.580
I'm going to treat myself. I'm buying a 5090.

00:44:00.580 --> 00:44:03.580
Yeah. Is it a good deal? No.

00:44:03.580 --> 00:44:06.580
Do I really want to give NVIDIA that money? Not really.

00:44:06.580 --> 00:44:09.580
But yeah, sometimes you got to treat yourself.

00:44:09.580 --> 00:44:13.580
Gaming is one of the things that I do to entertain myself.

00:44:13.580 --> 00:44:17.580
And realistically, like, okay, here's an example.

00:44:17.580 --> 00:44:27.580
Badminton shuttles, Feather shuttle cocks, have gone up in price faster than, I think they probably outpaced the S&P 500 last year.

00:44:27.580 --> 00:44:37.580
Wow. Like if I had bought a million dollars worth of badminton shuttles, my investment, looking, I didn't.

00:44:37.580 --> 00:44:44.580
But a tube of Yonex AS50s, I think it is, is like 70 plus Canadian dollars now.

00:44:44.580 --> 00:44:48.580
My goodness. A few short years ago, they were like 35, 40.

00:44:48.580 --> 00:44:51.580
So there's their skyrocketing.

00:44:51.580 --> 00:45:03.580
And so I guess what I'm trying to say is I can play badminton for one evening between the court rental and between probably the half a dozen or so shuttles that I'm going to go through.

00:45:03.580 --> 00:45:06.580
It's going to cost me like 50 bucks.

00:45:06.580 --> 00:45:18.580
Yeah. If every time I gamed for a couple of hours, I put aside $50 for it, which I could amortize so, so much better.

00:45:18.580 --> 00:45:26.580
Even if I spent money on a 5090. Like, like my, my, my, my entertainment per hour cost for gaming is actually not that high.

00:45:26.580 --> 00:45:29.580
Even now. You didn't buy a building for gaming.

00:45:29.580 --> 00:45:36.580
Oh, okay. Well, hypothetically, if I didn't buy a building for badminton, my, my cost per hour for badminton is really high.

00:45:37.580 --> 00:45:40.580
And a lot of people have hobbies that have a really high per hour cost.

00:45:40.580 --> 00:45:49.580
If you enjoy horseback riding, or you enjoy climbing, or you enjoy hang gliding, or you enjoy, sorry, track.

00:45:49.580 --> 00:45:56.580
If you go to the track, um, if gaming is your thing, I'm not going to judge you for spending way too much money.

00:45:56.580 --> 00:46:02.580
I will be frustrated that the value isn't there and that the prices don't fall the way that they used to.

00:46:02.580 --> 00:46:05.580
That sucks. And like, I hate it. It sucks.

00:46:05.580 --> 00:46:10.580
And that's why I had my silent protest and refused to switch to the 40 series.

00:46:10.580 --> 00:46:14.580
Yeah. But like, I want a new GPU and gaming is one of the things I do.

00:46:14.580 --> 00:46:18.580
Yeah. And so. Eventually you got to just do it.

00:46:18.580 --> 00:46:21.580
I can't tell you what the right thing to do for you is.

00:46:21.580 --> 00:46:26.580
Um, I'd love to hear chats, um, perspective.

00:46:26.580 --> 00:46:29.580
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

00:46:29.580 --> 00:46:32.580
Seems like it's just kind of, yep, it is what it is. Okay.

00:46:32.580 --> 00:46:35.580
What are we playing right now? Yep. I don't know what this is.

00:46:35.580 --> 00:46:38.580
Monster Worlds apparently? Monster. Monster Hunter.

00:46:38.580 --> 00:46:41.580
Monster Hunter Worlds. Ah. Worlds or Wilds?

00:46:41.580 --> 00:46:44.580
Worlds. Worlds. Worlds is not yet.

00:46:44.580 --> 00:46:47.580
Okay. Where are we going? Where are we going?

00:46:47.580 --> 00:46:50.580
We're going to this little dot thing. Okay. Okay.

00:46:50.580 --> 00:46:53.580
I'm going. I'm going. I'm going.

00:46:53.580 --> 00:46:56.580
I'm with you. I'm with you brother. Okay.

00:46:56.580 --> 00:46:59.580
What are we looking at? 105. Oh buddy.

00:46:59.580 --> 00:47:02.580
Oh, I'm killing you. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

00:47:02.580 --> 00:47:05.580
A little bit. Wow. Yeah.

00:47:05.580 --> 00:47:08.580
That's significant. Okay. Hold on.

00:47:08.580 --> 00:47:11.580
Hold on. Wait for me. Wait for me.

00:47:11.580 --> 00:47:14.580
I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Okay.

00:47:14.580 --> 00:47:17.580
Okay. We'll just walk in a straight line. Here we go.

00:47:17.580 --> 00:47:20.580
All right. Let's go see some dinosaurs. All right.

00:47:20.580 --> 00:47:23.580
He looks friendly. Yeah. Yeah.

00:47:23.580 --> 00:47:26.580
Yeah. What could go wrong? Oh, this is such a clear win.

00:47:26.580 --> 00:47:29.580
Once again, with Alchemist, any game that ran at all was kind of a win.

00:47:29.580 --> 00:47:34.580
Yeah. Anything refused to run or have weird graphical glitches.

00:47:34.580 --> 00:47:40.580
No, it just works. That's something, especially when you consider that this thing just came out.

00:47:40.580 --> 00:47:45.580
And Alchemist, even toward the end, like there's still games with issues.

00:47:45.580 --> 00:47:48.580
I am pretty stoked.

00:47:48.580 --> 00:47:55.580
I'm actually really impressed so far, even if I think it's pretty much even with the 4060,

00:47:55.580 --> 00:48:01.580
a card that realistically, like if we're all being honest, was very maligned at launch.

00:48:01.580 --> 00:48:08.580
That's true. For not being a good value and for not being, not feeling worthy of the 60 class.

00:48:08.580 --> 00:48:13.580
Yeah. That's very true.

00:48:13.580 --> 00:48:16.580
Hmm. And it's also last gen.

00:48:16.580 --> 00:48:21.580
We haven't seen what NVIDIA has in store for the 50 series 60 class card yet.

00:48:21.580 --> 00:48:24.580
And there will almost certainly be something. Oh, definitely.

00:48:24.580 --> 00:48:28.580
I mean, I say almost certainly because it's not like AMD makes new Ryzen 3s anymore, but...

00:48:28.580 --> 00:48:31.580
No, that's true, but that's a weird choice that they've made.

00:48:31.580 --> 00:48:39.580
I mean, I get it. If you can only get so many wafers and you can either make epics and sell them for $15,000.

00:48:39.580 --> 00:48:42.580
Or those new AI chips. Or Ryzen 3s.

00:48:42.580 --> 00:48:43.580
Yeah.

00:48:46.580 --> 00:48:48.580
I get it. I get it.

00:48:49.580 --> 00:48:54.580
I think we'll have to see what Intel does to fix the performance on the older CPUs.

00:48:56.580 --> 00:48:59.580
I hope they can. I mean, I was talking about this with...

00:48:59.580 --> 00:49:03.580
Oh, I don't remember who I was talking this about, but NVIDIA went through a similar thing.

00:49:03.580 --> 00:49:09.580
I don't know if you remember this. This was back in like the, I want to say the 600 series days.

00:49:09.580 --> 00:49:17.580
Okay. But they were under fire for poor optimization in their GPU driver, extremely high CPU utilization.

00:49:17.580 --> 00:49:21.580
They acknowledged it. They were like, yeah, this isn't something that we can fix overnight.

00:49:21.580 --> 00:49:24.580
Right. And then they worked on it and now it's better.

00:49:24.580 --> 00:49:29.580
Yeah. So the fact that NVIDIA did it doesn't mean that Intel can do it necessarily.

00:49:29.580 --> 00:49:36.580
No. But the fact that it evidently is something that could potentially be improved.

00:49:36.580 --> 00:49:41.580
And the fact that Intel's driver team has shown themselves to be absolute wizards.

00:49:41.580 --> 00:49:46.580
And very active. And very active on, you know, fixing issues that the community...

00:49:46.580 --> 00:49:51.580
I mentioned they've gone through more than 50 revisions already for drivers.

00:49:51.580 --> 00:49:54.580
Oh, for Arc overall. For Arc overall. Yeah.

00:49:54.580 --> 00:49:57.580
No, that checks. Yeah. And there's been big improvements in some of them.

00:49:57.580 --> 00:50:02.580
So I am always buy what it is.

00:50:02.580 --> 00:50:07.580
Don't buy what it will be. But that doesn't mean that you should go like this, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la,

00:50:07.580 --> 00:50:12.580
and ignore evidence that might suggest that something could improve in the future.

00:50:12.580 --> 00:50:16.580
And I have seen evidence that would suggest that it will improve in the future.

00:50:16.580 --> 00:50:21.580
Hey, we're two generations in. We're barely, barely even going at this point.

00:50:21.580 --> 00:50:26.580
I'm just so happy. Why do they stick around? Dude, I'm just so happy that there's an option.

00:50:26.580 --> 00:50:29.580
Yeah. Because AMD... We've needed it for so long.

00:50:29.580 --> 00:50:35.580
As much as they kind of get put on this pedestal as like the good guys, they have been clearly,

00:50:35.580 --> 00:50:38.580
very content to just follow NVIDIA's lead for pricing.

00:50:38.580 --> 00:50:41.580
Definitely. Clearly. They're happy to do it.

00:50:41.580 --> 00:50:46.580
They need the money. That's fair. So Elden Ring doesn't give you an ability to turn off V-Sync?

00:50:46.580 --> 00:50:49.580
Oh. Oh. Okay.

00:50:49.580 --> 00:50:55.580
Okay. I don't know if you guys heard that, but Rhys was telling us Elden Ring is trapping us with V-Sync

00:50:55.580 --> 00:50:58.580
on, but realistically, oh my goodness.

00:50:58.580 --> 00:51:03.580
First thing I got to just... Some of these lows are already kind of a deal breaker anyway.

00:51:03.580 --> 00:51:06.580
I got to plug the Green Man Gaming webpage here.

00:51:06.580 --> 00:51:10.580
Oh, Dan's bringing up Green Man Gaming.

00:51:10.580 --> 00:51:13.580
Oh, for Monster Hunter World Iceborne. Oh, yeah.

00:51:13.580 --> 00:51:16.580
That's one of the deals that we were promoting earlier. Sick. All right.

00:51:16.580 --> 00:51:19.580
What freaking button is this? There we go. Okay.

00:51:19.580 --> 00:51:22.580
That one. Elden Ring. How's your lows doing?

00:51:22.580 --> 00:51:25.580
Like 24 from in a low spot.

00:51:25.580 --> 00:51:29.580
Oh, interesting. Can we go fight this night, this golden night guy?

00:51:29.580 --> 00:51:32.580
We're just coming out of the starting cave here, right?

00:51:32.580 --> 00:51:35.580
Yeah. Okay. We're going to get our butts kicked probably.

00:51:35.580 --> 00:51:38.580
Have you played this game? Never. Okay, cool.

00:51:38.580 --> 00:51:41.580
Then we're going to get our butts kicked, but let's just head over there. Okay. You know what?

00:51:41.580 --> 00:51:44.580
This is really close. I do... Oh, he saw me.

00:51:44.580 --> 00:51:49.580
Man. I've had some really low dips, like in the 20s.

00:51:49.580 --> 00:51:54.080
I just got one down to 30. Yeah, I've gotten to 24.

00:51:54.080 --> 00:51:57.080
Is that... Oh, that was over. Don't think he likes me.

00:51:57.080 --> 00:52:00.580
Have you gotten just like some nasty stutters though? Yeah.

00:52:00.580 --> 00:52:03.580
Oops. Oh, I'm dead. That didn't take much.

00:52:03.580 --> 00:52:06.580
Yeah, no. Like I said, we're going to get our butts kicked.

00:52:06.580 --> 00:52:09.580
This guy is... He's a little bigger than me. Yeah.

00:52:09.580 --> 00:52:12.580
Oh. Oh. How do I parry?

00:52:12.580 --> 00:52:15.580
I don't know how to... This game. Well, I'm dead.

00:52:15.580 --> 00:52:18.580
Hit a button until you don't die. Cool.

00:52:18.580 --> 00:52:23.580
You died. How's your CPU looking?

00:52:23.580 --> 00:52:26.580
Let me be undead first. Okay, that's fair.

00:52:26.580 --> 00:52:29.580
Or rather be less dead. Not undead.

00:52:29.580 --> 00:52:32.580
That's a different thing. Okay.

00:52:32.580 --> 00:52:37.580
Stranded graveyard. Oh, lordy. Yeah, maybe we should try to die not quite as fast this next time.

00:52:37.580 --> 00:52:40.580
I think you're going backwards in the Stranded Graveyard.

00:52:40.580 --> 00:52:43.580
Yeah. How do we get out of here? Is it this...

00:52:43.580 --> 00:52:47.580
Oh, there's the sparkly here. I think this is to do with something. I was going the right way.

00:52:47.580 --> 00:52:50.580
Where are you? I don't know.

00:52:50.580 --> 00:52:53.580
I don't think you're on the right way. I think you're going backwards. You're going the same way as me.

00:52:53.580 --> 00:52:56.580
I know. That's because I'm following you. Well, that's stupid.

00:52:56.580 --> 00:52:59.580
What are you thinking, man?

00:52:59.580 --> 00:53:02.580
I think we're supposed to go up the stairs. Okay, it's very dark there.

00:53:02.580 --> 00:53:06.580
Well, they figured this out. You can also pick up Elden Ring on Green Man.

00:53:06.580 --> 00:53:10.580
The stairs chat says. Yeah, okay, cool. You're done selling games over there.

00:53:10.580 --> 00:53:13.580
Oh, man. I'm doing your job. Good work, Dan.

00:53:13.580 --> 00:53:17.580
Okay, are you getting some nasty stutters? Not right now, actually.

00:53:17.580 --> 00:53:20.580
I definitely am.

00:53:20.580 --> 00:53:23.580
Okay, is that just moving from area to area, though?

00:53:23.580 --> 00:53:33.580
I'm going to see if I get any. Just doing, like, a consistent camera pan here.

00:53:33.580 --> 00:53:39.580
I'm not finding the truth of that. Yeah, it seems fine when I'm not moving between areas.

00:53:39.580 --> 00:53:43.580
Yeah. I think it could be just that.

00:53:43.580 --> 00:53:46.580
How do I get out of here, you guys? I'm lost now.

00:53:46.580 --> 00:53:49.580
I'm running in circles around the thing. Something to do with this pillar?

00:53:49.580 --> 00:53:52.580
I mean, I think I've probably seen enough to call this.

00:53:52.580 --> 00:53:56.580
We're very good at games. Maybe a win for NVIDIA.

00:53:56.580 --> 00:54:00.580
Oh, pull the lever. Wrong lever!

00:54:00.580 --> 00:54:04.580
Is it a lever? Oh, there.

00:54:04.580 --> 00:54:07.580
Anyone who gets the reference enjoys it.

00:54:07.580 --> 00:54:12.580
I think that Emperor's New Groove was, for many years, very underrated.

00:54:12.580 --> 00:54:17.580
Oh, there. Oh, yeah. Very underrated, underappreciated movie.

00:54:17.580 --> 00:54:20.580
Masterpiece.

00:54:20.580 --> 00:54:24.580
Okay, I'm standing on a thing now. Yep, me too.

00:54:24.580 --> 00:54:28.580
Hey, Peter.

00:54:28.580 --> 00:54:32.580
Yep. Okay. Do I have to lever again and then jump on?

00:54:32.580 --> 00:54:36.580
Oh, you step on the button in the middle, I think.

00:54:36.580 --> 00:54:39.580
Oh, there we go. Okay. Needs to keen.

00:54:39.580 --> 00:54:42.580
All right.

00:54:42.580 --> 00:54:45.580
Oh, I think we're ready again. What just happened?

00:54:45.580 --> 00:54:48.580
Oh, yeah. Are you both locked to 60? Yeah.

00:54:48.580 --> 00:54:51.580
Yeah. It's because of the game, apparently. Oh, no.

00:54:51.580 --> 00:54:54.580
They tied something to frame rate, didn't they? Yeah.

00:54:54.580 --> 00:54:57.580
Oh, God. That was a pretty bad start. That was a yucky stutter.

00:54:57.580 --> 00:55:02.580
Okay. I'm not going to hold that against the GPUs, then, because that seems to be more to do

00:55:02.580 --> 00:55:08.580
with storage. Okay. Could be storage, could be CPU, but either way, it doesn't seem...

00:55:08.580 --> 00:55:11.580
Very slow drivers of ours here. Well, see, that's the thing, right?

00:55:11.580 --> 00:55:16.580
So it's got to be the game at that point. Okay, I'm going to the same vantage point that you're at with this lady here.

00:55:16.580 --> 00:55:19.580
Look at the night down in the field down there. Yeah.

00:55:19.580 --> 00:55:22.580
That's so close. Yeah.

00:55:22.580 --> 00:55:26.580
And I feel like I was getting more stutters than you.

00:55:26.580 --> 00:55:31.580
I'm just going to get pizza.

00:55:31.580 --> 00:55:34.580
What the heck?

00:55:34.580 --> 00:55:38.580
Okay. What's going on?

00:55:38.580 --> 00:55:42.580
Let's move on. It's game time.

00:55:42.580 --> 00:55:45.580
Are we at 50? Are we at 50 games yet? Oh, man.

00:55:45.580 --> 00:55:48.580
I want to... I think I want to give the win to NVIDIA here.

00:55:48.580 --> 00:55:51.580
Really? I was getting more stutters than you.

00:55:51.580 --> 00:55:55.580
A little bit. Shader comp, though. It's raining here now.

00:55:55.580 --> 00:55:58.580
I was getting more stutters. And...

00:55:58.580 --> 00:56:01.580
Oh, man. This might be too close.

00:56:01.580 --> 00:56:04.580
Chat says tie. Chat says tie.

00:56:04.580 --> 00:56:07.580
Floatplane Chat says tie. They're right. It's a tie.

00:56:07.580 --> 00:56:11.580
All right. Let's move on. Oh, we're Vikings.

00:56:11.580 --> 00:56:14.580
We've all come here. All right.

00:56:14.580 --> 00:56:19.580
Hey, let's play some Valheim.

00:56:19.580 --> 00:56:22.580
Well, this is running great on me, on mine.

00:56:22.580 --> 00:56:26.580
Yeah. Looking pretty good.

00:56:26.580 --> 00:56:29.580
Time to go fight some deer or whatever.

00:56:29.580 --> 00:56:34.580
I'm going to pick up this branch. Hey, I improved my run skill.

00:56:34.580 --> 00:56:40.580
It's good because before I was all... And now I'm like, wow, let's go.

00:56:40.580 --> 00:56:43.580
Okay. Where are you headed off to? Into the woods.

00:56:43.580 --> 00:56:47.580
Okay. All right. So we're both headed off into the woods, which in Valheim can only go well.

00:56:47.580 --> 00:56:50.580
Oh, yeah, totally.

00:56:50.580 --> 00:56:53.580
Punch some trees here. Sure.

00:56:53.580 --> 00:56:58.580
I'll punch a tree. Zero damage to that tree.

00:56:58.580 --> 00:57:01.580
Oh boy. Thanks, Rhys. Okay.

00:57:01.580 --> 00:57:04.580
So what are we looking at? Oh, wow. Like a hundred...

00:57:04.580 --> 00:57:07.580
You are getting... look-reminated. Really?

00:57:07.580 --> 00:57:10.580
Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. You're getting crushed, brother.

00:57:10.580 --> 00:57:13.580
Uh-oh. I'm falling down a cliff now. That's not good.

00:57:13.580 --> 00:57:16.580
It's not even close. Mind you, you've got a torch out. How do I get a torch?

00:57:16.580 --> 00:57:19.580
Here, I'll turn off my torch. Okay. Yeah, that's not helping.

00:57:19.580 --> 00:57:26.580
No, I didn't do much. I think this is a clear W for Intel Arc.

00:57:26.580 --> 00:57:31.580
Orc. You're using like 10% more CPU all the time.

00:57:31.580 --> 00:57:35.580
Oh, interesting. But it's not harming me.

00:57:35.580 --> 00:57:38.580
No. It's not harming the gaming experience.

00:57:38.580 --> 00:57:42.580
It's something for us to be aware of and something that we were talking about earlier.

00:57:42.580 --> 00:57:47.580
We want to keep an eye on because there has been some discussion in the tech community

00:57:47.580 --> 00:57:52.580
around ArcGPUs not performing as well on lesser CPUs.

00:57:52.580 --> 00:57:56.580
Linus, do you want to zoom out the camera a bit before you...

00:57:56.580 --> 00:58:00.580
Oh, yeah. That might be... Chat suggesting that could be a thing.

00:58:00.580 --> 00:58:05.580
Or you praise it too much? Get it into a more meadowy area so there's no trees above you.

00:58:05.580 --> 00:58:13.580
I can do that. Yep, I can do that. So anyway, not performing as well with lower-end CPUs is a bit of a downer for a value GPU.

00:58:13.580 --> 00:58:19.580
So we went out of our way to choose systems that were not super overpowered.

00:58:19.580 --> 00:58:26.580
We are running 12th Gen Core i5s and we told you guys earlier in the stream that we wanted to...

00:58:26.580 --> 00:58:31.580
Still, even if Arc is performing better and it's not impacting it,

00:58:31.580 --> 00:58:36.580
we wanted to make sure that we're keeping an eye on the CPU usage to see if it is a little bit higher,

00:58:36.580 --> 00:58:39.580
maybe due to some kind of overhead in the Arc driver.

00:58:39.580 --> 00:58:44.580
Okay, so here's a more open area. Do you want to just go back up to where the stones are in the spawn location?

00:58:44.580 --> 00:58:47.580
Sure.

00:58:47.580 --> 00:58:50.580
Running great.

00:58:50.580 --> 00:58:53.580
Like it's not that close. 120?

00:58:53.580 --> 00:58:56.580
170. Yeah. That's ridiculous.

00:58:56.580 --> 00:59:00.580
I don't know what to tell you guys. Arc is just crushing this game.

00:59:00.580 --> 00:59:03.580
Somebody on the Intel team really likes Valheim.

00:59:03.580 --> 00:59:06.580
Yeah, maybe. You know, it's funny.

00:59:06.580 --> 00:59:13.580
I think people often forget the human elements of things.

00:59:13.580 --> 00:59:19.580
It is entirely possible that someone whose job it is to work on Arc

00:59:19.580 --> 00:59:25.580
and who takes their job really seriously is a bring-your-work-home kind of person who's like,

00:59:25.580 --> 00:59:30.580
dang it, maybe not on my primary machine, but on my secondary machine anyway.

00:59:30.580 --> 00:59:34.580
I'm rocking Arc day in, day out. Cannot play freaking Valheim.

00:59:34.580 --> 00:59:37.580
And going in and getting that done. Yeah.

00:59:37.580 --> 00:59:41.580
That is very realistic. 100% realistic.

00:59:41.580 --> 00:59:48.580
And there's nothing wrong with that. Like if someone, say for example, who worked at Linus Media Group,

00:59:48.580 --> 00:59:53.580
were to wear LMG, LTT cargo pants, say for instance.

00:59:53.580 --> 00:59:56.580
For instance. Are you wearing socks and sandals? Yeah.

00:59:56.580 --> 00:59:57.580
Are you memeing or is that just a thing?

01:00:01.580 --> 01:00:05.580
My man. Looking good.

01:00:05.580 --> 01:00:09.580
Or you know the hat and they were to find something wrong with it.

01:00:09.580 --> 01:00:12.580
Yeah. I would be grateful if they came in to work.

01:00:12.580 --> 01:00:16.580
I had a problem with my hat and got it, brought it in and tore it apart and figured it out.

01:00:16.580 --> 01:00:23.580
We love that kind of stuff. So if an Intel Arc driver software engineer is like, hey, I love this game.

01:00:23.580 --> 01:00:26.580
I can't play it on my stupid test bench or my card at home or whatever.

01:00:26.580 --> 01:00:29.580
Let's make it work. Yeah, that's totally realistic. Yeah.

01:00:29.580 --> 01:00:35.580
The demo says not a cult.

01:00:35.580 --> 01:00:38.580
No, my sandals are better than his.

01:00:38.580 --> 01:00:48.580
Okay. Hey, let's go.

01:00:48.580 --> 01:00:52.580
I mean, realistically, either of these cards is going to be fine.

01:00:52.580 --> 01:00:56.580
Going to be fine. Are we frame walk to like 200 or so?

01:00:56.580 --> 01:00:59.580
240. Okay. Wow.

01:00:59.580 --> 01:01:02.580
So it actually doesn't.

01:01:02.580 --> 01:01:05.580
It can't do above 200 in this game.

01:01:05.580 --> 01:01:08.580
Oh, wow. Oh, dude.

01:01:08.580 --> 01:01:11.580
Where are you? You're still in base. Okay.

01:01:11.580 --> 01:01:14.580
I'm coming back to the base.

01:01:14.580 --> 01:01:18.580
Arc is crushing this one again.

01:01:18.580 --> 01:01:21.580
Oh, wait, maybe not. Or the same. No, no, the basis.

01:01:21.580 --> 01:01:24.580
It looks like the basis actually pretty late. Yeah.

01:01:24.580 --> 01:01:27.580
Okay. So let's see if we can find somewhere heavier. Maybe let's go fight some creeps.

01:01:27.580 --> 01:01:30.580
CPU is about the same. Okay.

01:01:30.580 --> 01:01:33.580
Yeah. Let's go fight creeps. Are you taking the bottom?

01:01:33.580 --> 01:01:36.580
I could not tell you. Or the mid. Where are you at?

01:01:36.580 --> 01:01:39.580
Where are you at, brother? I don't know. I don't play this.

01:01:39.580 --> 01:01:42.580
Where are you at, brother? Okay. I'm going middle.

01:01:42.580 --> 01:01:45.580
Where's my guy? There he is. All right.

01:01:45.580 --> 01:01:48.580
Here we go.

01:01:48.580 --> 01:01:51.580
Please tell me this is just like a practice match, right? I hope so.

01:01:51.580 --> 01:01:55.580
Guys, this is just like practice with bots, right?

01:01:55.580 --> 01:01:59.580
Ranked competitive, obviously. I mean, you never know with you guys, you know?

01:01:59.580 --> 01:02:03.580
Every once in a while, the team will like drop me in an actual thing.

01:02:03.580 --> 01:02:07.580
And I'm like, yo, okay.

01:02:07.580 --> 01:02:17.580
And sometimes it, sometimes there's no choice. Sometimes you're kind of stuck with it.

01:02:17.580 --> 01:02:20.580
Huh. We got people saying tie. Tie.

01:02:20.580 --> 01:02:23.580
Are you in the middle? Middleish, yeah. A little bit north.

01:02:23.580 --> 01:02:26.580
Okay. Go right to the middle. Let's fight some creeps.

01:02:26.580 --> 01:02:31.580
Right in the middle of the water here. And we'll get as much of an apples to apples as we can.

01:02:31.580 --> 01:02:34.580
We're going to say map together or no?

01:02:34.580 --> 01:02:37.580
No. Shouldn't be. 150-ish.

01:02:37.580 --> 01:02:40.580
Yeah. You got my beat there. Dang it, Jordan.

01:02:40.580 --> 01:02:43.580
Are you dead? A little bit. Yeah.

01:02:43.580 --> 01:02:47.580
Okay. I thought so. But then you're just still there for a while.

01:02:47.580 --> 01:02:50.580
Yep. That makes sense. I was just hanging out.

01:02:50.580 --> 01:02:54.580
Yep. That makes sense. Tie or arc W, people are saying.

01:02:54.580 --> 01:02:58.580
People are calling it closer to tie. And that kind of checks out for me.

01:02:58.580 --> 01:03:02.580
I think you've got like 5%. Your CPU is 10% higher again, though.

01:03:02.580 --> 01:03:05.580
A lot of the time. And your GPU is higher. Yeah.

01:03:05.580 --> 01:03:08.580
I think it's higher. I think it's higher. Yeah.

01:03:08.580 --> 01:03:11.580
I think it's higher. I think it's higher. I think it's higher.

01:03:11.580 --> 01:03:14.580
I think it's higher. I think it's higher. I think it's higher.

01:03:14.580 --> 01:03:17.580
I think it's higher. I think it's higher. I think it's higher.

01:03:17.580 --> 01:03:20.580
And your GPU is higher actually too.

01:03:20.580 --> 01:03:23.580
Your GPU is at 60, I'm at 34.

01:03:23.580 --> 01:03:28.580
Interesting. So does that mean it's able to push more frames to it?

01:03:28.580 --> 01:03:32.580
My CPU is consistently higher. I'm not even cracking 40 on GPU.

01:03:32.580 --> 01:03:40.580
My CPU could be higher. So if our FPS is not the same, my CPU could be running higher because it just is not GPU

01:03:40.580 --> 01:03:43.580
bound. Yeah. So that's something to consider as well.

01:03:43.580 --> 01:03:48.580
Because we can only really directly compare the CPU usage when our frame rates are also

01:03:48.580 --> 01:03:55.580
the same and therefore our GPU is giving our CPU enough headroom to push the FPS up.

01:03:55.580 --> 01:03:59.580
Okay. So are you, has your guy back to the middle?

01:03:59.580 --> 01:04:02.580
He died again, but he's still, we'll get back there in a minute.

01:04:02.580 --> 01:04:10.580
Okay. I'm still in the middle looking. I want to call this one kind of, I'm going to lead this one to you guys.

01:04:10.580 --> 01:04:14.580
This one's up to you guys. Let's run over to the next systems.

01:04:14.580 --> 01:04:17.580
Oh wait, are they still there? No, they're still there. Okay.

01:04:17.580 --> 01:04:21.580
Dan, hit me with a merge message. Oh, here you go. FPchat says mostly tie.

01:04:21.580 --> 01:04:24.580
Yeah. Okay. A lot of them are saying arc, but...

01:04:24.580 --> 01:04:27.580
It kind of depends on how you evaluate that CPU usage.

01:04:27.580 --> 01:04:33.580
It's very narrow. I think I would call this one a tie personally.

01:04:33.580 --> 01:04:38.580
Good. But if the arc is cheaper, then that's an arc W.

01:04:38.580 --> 01:04:41.580
But that just kind of depends on pricing in the market.

01:04:41.580 --> 01:04:44.580
What are we paying for a 4060 right now? Well, see, here's the thing.

01:04:44.580 --> 01:04:49.580
One of the things we've been criticized for many times in the past is not looking at pricing

01:04:49.580 --> 01:04:52.580
outside of the North American market.

01:04:52.580 --> 01:04:58.580
So in Europe, for instance, I had a lot of people messaging me saying, hey, arc, arc B580

01:04:58.580 --> 01:05:01.580
is like not a good value here at all.

01:05:01.580 --> 01:05:04.580
Like the pricing is completely out to lunch.

01:05:04.580 --> 01:05:10.580
Okay. So that's a major factor that people have got to consider is where the pricing is in your region.

01:05:10.580 --> 01:05:16.580
That's why it's so hard for us to just wrap up our review and say, okay, here's the one

01:05:16.580 --> 01:05:21.580
to buy. And it's one of the reasons that we try not to focus too much on pricing in our reviews.

01:05:21.580 --> 01:05:24.580
We try to focus on, here's the feature set.

01:05:24.580 --> 01:05:27.580
Here's the performance. Here's the caveats. Here's the math.

01:05:27.580 --> 01:05:32.580
Here's how the value looks today.

01:05:32.580 --> 01:05:36.580
But we don't know what it's going to look like in the future. And we don't know what it's going to look like in your region.

01:05:36.580 --> 01:05:41.580
So we have to be willing to do a little bit of the legwork for us or for yourself really.

01:05:41.580 --> 01:05:46.580
Okay, Dan, hit me. Sure. Good afternoon, Seabass.

01:05:46.580 --> 01:05:52.580
What is one mobile device industry trend that you initially disliked or hated that you have now come to love?

01:05:52.580 --> 01:05:59.580
PS, please take the FW16 into consideration for future LTT bag designs.

01:05:59.580 --> 01:06:03.580
Okay. We do take the Framework 16 into consideration.

01:06:03.580 --> 01:06:11.580
We consider it and understand that it is a really weird shaped laptop with the GPU hump coming out of the back of it.

01:06:11.580 --> 01:06:17.580
And that we can't design a product like the commuter backpack around the Framework 16.

01:06:17.580 --> 01:06:25.580
This is a sleek design for someone who's got their Macbook and their tablet or their, you know, Flow X13.

01:06:25.580 --> 01:06:28.580
It's a back dragon. Dell XPS. Excuse me, Dell.

01:06:28.580 --> 01:06:31.580
Oh. Dell. Is it Pro Plus now?

01:06:31.580 --> 01:06:34.580
No, no, no. Dell Premium. Premium.

01:06:34.580 --> 01:06:37.580
I believe. No. Dell, yeah.

01:06:37.580 --> 01:06:40.580
Oh, Dell. Dell Premium Max. Dell Premium Plus.

01:06:40.580 --> 01:06:44.580
Crap. I even made the video on it. Is it Premium Plus or Cracker?

01:06:44.580 --> 01:06:48.580
Whatever. XPS.

01:06:48.580 --> 01:06:58.580
This is not for like, I need my gigantic gaming laptop and my like network Wi-Fi analyzer, you know, thing.

01:06:58.580 --> 01:07:04.580
And I need all this and I need all that. It's, it's slick, you know.

01:07:04.580 --> 01:07:10.580
So we'll consider it, but that won't necessarily mean that our products will be compatible with it.

01:07:10.580 --> 01:07:13.580
It's a pretty, it's kind of a weird change. It's an outlier.

01:07:13.580 --> 01:07:18.580
Yeah. As for the rest of your merge message, what was it again?

01:07:18.580 --> 01:07:21.580
Dan, do you remember what it was? I'm looking for it.

01:07:21.580 --> 01:07:24.580
Sorry. Sorry. He's already moved on.

01:07:24.580 --> 01:07:28.580
What's one mobile device industry trend?

01:07:28.580 --> 01:07:38.580
Mobile device trend. Okay. One that I have, one that I've come to hate less is the bullet wound as I used to call it in the screen.

01:07:38.580 --> 01:07:41.580
Or excuse me, the dynamic island.

01:07:41.580 --> 01:07:49.580
Yeah. However, I was watching a movie on this the other day and I was like, this is awful because

01:07:49.580 --> 01:07:56.580
I either give up like a whole whack ton on my screen or I have a whole in my content,

01:07:56.580 --> 01:07:59.580
which to me is completely unacceptable. No.

01:07:59.580 --> 01:08:04.580
Just devil's advocate, what's happening in that little square that's not important to

01:08:04.580 --> 01:08:07.580
the movie? It doesn't matter. It's immersion breaking.

01:08:07.580 --> 01:08:10.580
I agree with you. I'm just saying. Okay.

01:08:10.580 --> 01:08:14.580
What if I took your glasses? Yeah. And I just put a like black dot on them on the side.

01:08:14.580 --> 01:08:17.580
Okay. You win this round. All right.

01:08:17.580 --> 01:08:20.580
Would you like that? No.

01:08:20.580 --> 01:08:30.580
Not so much. Ask for something that I didn't like that I have come to love.

01:08:30.580 --> 01:08:34.580
I mean, there's a reason that I still like carry my note nine.

01:08:34.580 --> 01:08:39.580
It's an unhealthy addiction. I have, I've come to love my wireless headphones.

01:08:39.580 --> 01:08:44.580
Yeah. But I would still prefer to have the choice.

01:08:44.580 --> 01:08:50.580
Yeah, definitely. Like a long flight. If I'm on a flight for eight hours, I actually don't want to have to carry two pairs of

01:08:50.580 --> 01:08:53.580
AirPods with me so that I can hot swap them.

01:08:53.580 --> 01:08:59.580
You know, I want to just put in my, my nice noise isolating, not canceling my nice noise

01:08:59.580 --> 01:09:02.580
isolating in ears and go to sleep.

01:09:02.580 --> 01:09:05.580
Dan's showing off his headphone port. Yeah.

01:09:05.580 --> 01:09:08.580
Yeah. I'm having more either. It's very sad.

01:09:08.580 --> 01:09:12.580
Oh, I should check. It just upgraded to Android 15. Maybe we have access to switch the button around.

01:09:12.580 --> 01:09:15.580
What? I'm just checking. I'm checking now.

01:09:15.580 --> 01:09:18.580
Let's find out. This is important. I'm checking now.

01:09:18.580 --> 01:09:24.580
This is interesting. I recently did my switch to iPhone, which you can see I lazily have not bothered to

01:09:24.580 --> 01:09:27.580
unswitch from yet. I am going to.

01:09:27.580 --> 01:09:32.580
But one of the comments that we got on that video a lot was people wanted to, they wanted

01:09:32.580 --> 01:09:38.580
to see what the perspective would be like for Apple users switching over to Android,

01:09:38.580 --> 01:09:44.580
like fresh, fresh, fresh. And I was reminded of this because one of the people who's going to be doing it happens

01:09:44.580 --> 01:09:48.580
to be the camera operator who is holding that camera right now.

01:09:48.580 --> 01:09:53.580
So we actually recruited three people from around the office who have never Android.

01:09:53.580 --> 01:09:56.580
Oh, iPhone for life.

01:09:56.580 --> 01:10:01.580
And we are making them a very generous trade offer.

01:10:01.580 --> 01:10:05.580
You get Android phone of your choice.

01:10:05.580 --> 01:10:10.580
I get your iPhone and you use the Android phone for a month.

01:10:10.580 --> 01:10:13.580
So we're going to follow their journey and it's going to be really cool.

01:10:13.580 --> 01:10:16.580
I think it's going to be really fun. No.

01:10:16.580 --> 01:10:19.580
Fucking sign. I'm upset.

01:10:19.580 --> 01:10:22.580
Just get it together. Just make it so I can move the thing.

01:10:22.580 --> 01:10:26.580
I want an Xperia. I want an Xperia phone.

01:10:26.580 --> 01:10:29.580
They are not giving me the option.

01:10:29.580 --> 01:10:32.580
What game is this? Oh, this is that game that was like super underrated.

01:10:32.580 --> 01:10:35.580
This looks like Warframe. Oh, wait. Never mind.

01:10:35.580 --> 01:10:38.580
It's not. Use your power now.

01:10:38.580 --> 01:10:41.580
What is my power? What button do I press to use my power?

01:10:41.580 --> 01:10:44.580
Okay, controller. Here we go. There's only some...

01:10:44.580 --> 01:10:48.580
Oh, okay. Hold right button and press A.

01:10:48.580 --> 01:10:51.580
Blah, blah.

01:10:51.580 --> 01:10:55.580
Ah, blah, blah. Okay, wasn't there another thing that I was able to press?

01:10:55.580 --> 01:10:59.580
What was the other thing I pressed? Oh, I mean, what about just right button?

01:10:59.580 --> 01:11:02.580
Just right button seems to work. Why do I need to hold it and press A?

01:11:02.580 --> 01:11:05.580
Oh, that's a much stronger attack. I see.

01:11:05.580 --> 01:11:08.580
Oh, wait. I'm supposed to be looking at FPS. Okay, where are you at?

01:11:08.580 --> 01:11:11.580
I'm not in the ring. You take off, brother. You just take off.

01:11:11.580 --> 01:11:15.580
You wouldn't let me go in the building. You just take off sometimes, you know?

01:11:15.580 --> 01:11:19.580
Oh, it's not letting me leave the building. Well, that's interesting.

01:11:19.580 --> 01:11:23.580
Do I just have to... Oh, find a melee weapon in the marked cache.

01:11:23.580 --> 01:11:26.580
Oh, okay, it's letting me in. I have a weapon. Okay.

01:11:26.580 --> 01:11:29.580
This is what I'm talking about. Okay, hold on. Wait for me.

01:11:29.580 --> 01:11:32.580
I just started with a weapon. I don't know what to tell you, man.

01:11:32.580 --> 01:11:35.580
What? Oh, all right, fine.

01:11:35.580 --> 01:11:39.580
I'll allow it. Come back to the building. Okay, want to come back to the cache?

01:11:39.580 --> 01:11:44.580
Okay, X to pick up the bow. I'm right there.

01:11:44.580 --> 01:11:48.580
All right, how are we looking? 165, 70.

01:11:48.580 --> 01:11:52.580
167, 166. 177.

01:11:52.580 --> 01:11:57.580
Your 1% lows look a touch on the very similar side to mine.

01:11:57.580 --> 01:12:03.580
Okay. Wow, this is really close.

01:12:03.580 --> 01:12:09.580
What's your CPU at? My CPU is sitting at 21.

01:12:09.580 --> 01:12:13.580
You're being followed. Oh. Quite a bit higher then.

01:12:13.580 --> 01:12:20.580
Yeah. Interesting. We both have the rain, so it's not that.

01:12:20.580 --> 01:12:23.580
Yeah, that is... I don't have any enemies anywhere though, so maybe...

01:12:23.580 --> 01:12:30.580
And in this case, both our averages and our low FPS is so similar that I would say this

01:12:30.580 --> 01:12:33.580
is pretty apples to apples. This is high, I think.

01:12:33.580 --> 01:12:38.580
If I am drawing way more CPU usage, I don't think that's enough for me to call it a win

01:12:38.580 --> 01:12:43.580
for the 4060 because clearly our gaming experiences are darn near identical,

01:12:43.580 --> 01:12:51.580
but it's something to keep in mind. If you have a 12th gen i3 instead of an i5, or if you're running a 10th gen,

01:12:51.580 --> 01:12:54.580
you might want to watch out for this.

01:12:54.580 --> 01:12:57.580
Okay, very cool. Should we move on?

01:12:57.580 --> 01:13:02.580
I think they're ready. That was quick. All right, let's go.

01:13:02.580 --> 01:13:05.580
What do we got here? Dan, you logged that one as a tie, right?

01:13:05.580 --> 01:13:09.580
Yep. Okay. What are we looking at?

01:13:09.580 --> 01:13:12.580
I have no idea. A snow runner?

01:13:12.580 --> 01:13:15.580
Yeah, excuse me. All right, here we go.

01:13:15.580 --> 01:13:18.580
Is this a request? Are we on the requests now?

01:13:18.580 --> 01:13:22.580
Heck yeah, cool. That was what I wanted.

01:13:22.580 --> 01:13:28.580
Okay, I don't know. I am moving now though, so neat.

01:13:28.580 --> 01:13:31.580
How do I control the... Oh, controller. Why don't we go...

01:13:31.580 --> 01:13:35.580
Is this not controller? No, I'm using the last.

01:13:35.580 --> 01:13:38.580
Okay. I am stuck in the mud.

01:13:38.580 --> 01:13:41.580
Is that this game? Just get better. Like, is that just kind of this game?

01:13:41.580 --> 01:13:44.580
Here we go. I made it out of the mud. Is that a thing?

01:13:44.580 --> 01:13:47.580
Yeah, put your lockers on. Your what? Your lockers.

01:13:47.580 --> 01:13:51.580
Your differential lockers. Your differential lockers. That's Q, apparently.

01:13:51.580 --> 01:13:54.580
It's always on. Winch connected.

01:13:54.580 --> 01:13:57.580
That's not going to help. I am stuck in the mud. So here's what I'm going to do.

01:13:57.580 --> 01:14:00.580
You should get better at driving. Oh, dang it. Oh, you're...

01:14:00.580 --> 01:14:04.580
Jordan, you're taking off without me again. Oh boy, I got stuck now.

01:14:04.580 --> 01:14:07.580
Jordan, we got to be apples to apples.

01:14:07.580 --> 01:14:10.580
Well, your apples too slow. Okay.

01:14:10.580 --> 01:14:13.580
Differential lock. Where's the... Oh, no, I...

01:14:13.580 --> 01:14:16.580
Dang it. Okay. Handbrake.

01:14:16.580 --> 01:14:19.580
What's this? I don't know what this is. How do I reverse?

01:14:19.580 --> 01:14:22.580
Always on. Okay. What's this?

01:14:22.580 --> 01:14:26.580
How do I differential lock? It's always on, it said.

01:14:26.580 --> 01:14:29.580
It was E for me. E?

01:14:29.580 --> 01:14:32.580
Oh. I'll be... I'll be...

01:14:32.580 --> 01:14:36.580
Always on. Where's the tow truck? I think I'm just stuck, you guys.

01:14:36.580 --> 01:14:39.580
Yeah, me too. I don't think I can move at all anymore.

01:14:39.580 --> 01:14:44.580
Yeah, I can change truck. Oh, wait, wait.

01:14:44.580 --> 01:14:47.580
Hold on. Am I moving? I'm not moving.

01:14:47.580 --> 01:14:50.580
I'm going to restart. Okay, me too. Okay.

01:14:50.580 --> 01:14:54.580
Restart trial. Yeah, I'm sure I want to restart it.

01:14:54.580 --> 01:14:57.580
Calm down. If you also want to get stuck in the mud like Linus,

01:14:57.580 --> 01:15:00.580
you can pick this up from... He's my hero after all, you know.

01:15:00.580 --> 01:15:03.580
Okay. All right, we ready? Okay, here we go.

01:15:03.580 --> 01:15:06.580
What do you got right at the start here? Oh, dang it, Jordan.

01:15:06.580 --> 01:15:09.580
160. Oh, Henry. I'm kicking your ass.

01:15:09.580 --> 01:15:12.580
Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Oh, wow.

01:15:12.580 --> 01:15:16.580
It's not even close. Yeah, this is a clear NVIDIA win.

01:15:16.580 --> 01:15:21.580
CPU is the same. NVIDIA W. You're using less GPU though.

01:15:21.580 --> 01:15:25.580
Yeah, but I'm also getting less GPU. Well, you're getting nothing for it.

01:15:25.580 --> 01:15:28.580
Yeah. Go towards that hammer and circle thing.

01:15:28.580 --> 01:15:31.580
And turn out to suck this time.

01:15:31.580 --> 01:15:34.580
Hey, who got stuck last time? You.

01:15:34.580 --> 01:15:40.580
And? Me later. All right, I'm going to make it.

01:15:40.580 --> 01:15:43.580
I'm going to make it, buddy. Don't even worry, dog.

01:15:43.580 --> 01:15:46.580
Okay, which way? We're going to the right of the sickle? Sure.

01:15:46.580 --> 01:15:50.580
All right. Let's go. Oh, what I hit.

01:15:50.580 --> 01:15:55.580
What even is this? Oh, it's a rock. I mean, yeah, that makes sense.

01:15:55.580 --> 01:15:59.580
So is it like timed? Like, what is the point of this game? I don't know what this game is.

01:16:00.580 --> 01:16:05.580
Does anyone, this game? Is this like farming simulator, but for.

01:16:05.580 --> 01:16:08.580
The Ladder over simulator?

01:16:08.580 --> 01:16:11.580
It's like an off-road trucking simulator, maybe.

01:16:11.580 --> 01:16:16.580
I think, I think Luke's dad is super into it or something.

01:16:16.580 --> 01:16:20.580
Why don't you get through the water? Because I assume that's the plan.

01:16:20.580 --> 01:16:24.580
I assume you have to get through the water, right? I'm going to go around the water.

01:16:24.580 --> 01:16:27.580
Stupid. There's an airplane over here. Stupid.

01:16:27.580 --> 01:16:30.580
And a house. Uh-oh. Oh, that's not good.

01:16:30.580 --> 01:16:33.580
Oh, no, we're okay. We're okay.

01:16:33.580 --> 01:16:36.580
Oh, it's a helicopter. You guys would not do very well.

01:16:36.580 --> 01:16:39.580
Is there water inside the cabin? An apocalypse.

01:16:39.580 --> 01:16:42.580
I think there's water in the cab. Oh, this is our life now.

01:16:42.580 --> 01:16:46.580
Yeah. Okay. So that's where I am.

01:16:46.580 --> 01:16:49.580
150 frames. Oh, yeah. Mr.

01:16:49.580 --> 01:16:53.580
Why are you driving in the water? The water found me.

01:16:53.580 --> 01:16:57.580
This guy. Do you normally drive through the water in your cars?

01:16:57.580 --> 01:17:01.580
You should call him Jordan hypocrisy. I almost made it out.

01:17:01.580 --> 01:17:04.580
Hypocrisy Jordan. I'm still moving. I'm still moving.

01:17:04.580 --> 01:17:09.580
Are you, though? Well, if I move the camera, it looks like I'm moving.

01:17:09.580 --> 01:17:12.580
Oh, that's true. That does kind of work.

01:17:12.580 --> 01:17:15.580
Look, guys, I'm moving. I'm moving forward.

01:17:15.580 --> 01:17:19.580
Hold on. Am I moving forward? I might actually be moving a little bit.

01:17:19.580 --> 01:17:22.580
How do you use the wind? Dude, I'm moving.

01:17:23.580 --> 01:17:26.580
I'm going to make it. Ha. Attach winch.

01:17:26.580 --> 01:17:30.580
Ah. So can you winch yourself out of places?

01:17:30.580 --> 01:17:33.580
I mean, theoretically, you could with a winch, right?

01:17:33.580 --> 01:17:36.580
Like. I would assume. Dude, check this out.

01:17:36.580 --> 01:17:39.580
Check this out. You're getting out of that?

01:17:39.580 --> 01:17:42.580
I'm getting out of it. Let's go. Let's go.

01:17:42.580 --> 01:17:47.580
Just lean on the gas. I mean, it doesn't matter that the engine's intaking water.

01:17:47.580 --> 01:17:51.580
You know, water combustion engine.

01:17:52.580 --> 01:17:55.580
It's a good combo. Hey, Dan, you want to hit me with a merge message?

01:17:55.580 --> 01:17:58.580
Sure. Let's see what we got here.

01:17:59.580 --> 01:18:03.580
Hello. Greetings from Lithuania. Thanks for early stream.

01:18:03.580 --> 01:18:07.580
Any plans or ideas to make WAN Show a bit earlier as well?

01:18:07.580 --> 01:18:10.580
In the EU, WAN starts typically at 2 to 3 a.m.

01:18:10.580 --> 01:18:13.580
A bit late to enjoy the show. Cheers.

01:18:14.580 --> 01:18:18.580
We'd love to, but I got to be real with you.

01:18:18.580 --> 01:18:28.580
If Yvonne, after all these years, hasn't won the battle to making WAN Show earlier,

01:18:28.580 --> 01:18:32.580
as much as I love my Euro friends who are watching the show,

01:18:32.580 --> 01:18:38.580
I don't love them as much as I love my wife. And so it probably isn't going to be the factor to push it over the edge.

01:18:38.580 --> 01:18:41.580
Oh, now my engine has a problem. It's hilarious.

01:18:41.580 --> 01:18:44.580
Oh no. Oh boy. Dude, I'm out.

01:18:44.580 --> 01:18:48.580
I'm out and I am moving.

01:18:48.580 --> 01:18:54.580
Ha. Ha. I mean, I don't know where the meeting point is always behind me.

01:18:54.580 --> 01:18:57.580
This is kind of fun. There we go. I figured out the winch.

01:18:57.580 --> 01:19:04.580
I'm doing good now. Yeah, we'd love to though. It actually works a lot better for my day and my week to do it earlier,

01:19:04.580 --> 01:19:08.580
but the challenge is just that we have other stuff to film and...

01:19:08.580 --> 01:19:12.580
Hey, we're free. Even if our intention is to do early WAN Show,

01:19:12.580 --> 01:19:14.580
it just often doesn't work out that way.

01:19:17.580 --> 01:19:20.580
Oh wow. My engine is making black smoke.

01:19:20.580 --> 01:19:23.580
That's good, right? Oh yeah. It's working.

01:19:23.580 --> 01:19:26.580
Okay. Next game. Here we go.

01:19:26.580 --> 01:19:30.580
Dan, you want to hit me with another? Absolutely.

01:19:30.580 --> 01:19:33.580
What emerging tech excites you the most

01:19:33.580 --> 01:19:36.580
and how will this affect personal computers in the coming years?

01:19:36.580 --> 01:19:42.580
Thanks for the screwdriver and I'm excited for shirts that will survive my laundry habits.

01:19:42.580 --> 01:19:46.580
Nice. We love that here.

01:19:46.580 --> 01:19:55.580
Emerging tech. I mean, if I didn't say AR, right, like that would be a lie.

01:19:55.580 --> 01:20:01.580
AR is super exciting. Unfortunately, a lot of the things that excite me most about AR

01:20:01.580 --> 01:20:04.580
are kind of the creepiest things. Okay.

01:20:04.580 --> 01:20:09.580
Like, I'm the kind of person who has a really hard time with names and faces at things like trade shows

01:20:09.580 --> 01:20:12.580
and industry events.

01:20:12.580 --> 01:20:16.580
So what I want is AR glasses that facial-recognize people

01:20:16.580 --> 01:20:21.580
and give me their stats, you know? Who are they, where do they work, how many kids do they have,

01:20:21.580 --> 01:20:26.580
and that can be from my own notes or whatever, right? Or realistically, in the future, we're heading into it.

01:20:26.580 --> 01:20:29.580
It won't be. It'll pull their Facebook profile or whatever.

01:20:29.580 --> 01:20:32.580
Okay, these controls are not good, whatever's happening.

01:20:32.580 --> 01:20:35.580
Oh, buddy.

01:20:35.580 --> 01:20:38.580
What is happening right now? I don't know. The controls are weird.

01:20:38.580 --> 01:20:42.580
Whoa. This is War Thunder, by the way.

01:20:42.580 --> 01:20:45.580
What am I doing here? Okay, there we go.

01:20:45.580 --> 01:20:48.580
Keep working. Most is a little better.

01:20:48.580 --> 01:20:51.580
What? Oh, you're in here. Oh, I get it.

01:20:51.580 --> 01:20:59.580
I think I understand the controls. It follows the circle.

01:20:59.580 --> 01:21:01.580
I can't say it's my favorite thing, but it's something.

01:21:02.580 --> 01:21:05.580
I'm going to go. Okay. Oh, yeah, keyboard mouse.

01:21:05.580 --> 01:21:08.580
Let's go. How do I fire?

01:21:08.580 --> 01:21:11.580
Space? Shift? Most.

01:21:11.580 --> 01:21:14.580
Seriously? Most one. Oh, my gun's jammed.

01:21:14.580 --> 01:21:17.580
Well, you should fix that. Oh, hi.

01:21:17.580 --> 01:21:20.580
Whoa, that was close, buddy.

01:21:20.580 --> 01:21:23.580
Were we both trying?

01:21:23.580 --> 01:21:27.580
I almost had you. Can we collide in the air?

01:21:27.580 --> 01:21:29.580
Is that thing you can do in this game?

01:21:30.580 --> 01:21:34.580
Oh, I lost him. Where'd he go?

01:21:34.580 --> 01:21:37.580
Is there friendly fire?

01:21:37.580 --> 01:21:41.580
Well, we're in a team. That's unfortunate. Are you being hit?

01:21:41.580 --> 01:21:44.580
Maybe. Kind of looks like it.

01:21:49.580 --> 01:21:53.580
I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him, guys.

01:21:53.580 --> 01:21:57.580
I'm so going to get him. Wait. Well, unless the ground gets him first.

01:22:00.580 --> 01:22:03.580
Dang it. Come on.

01:22:03.580 --> 01:22:07.580
I'm closing. I'm closing. I'm closing.

01:22:07.580 --> 01:22:09.580
Always be closing.

01:22:11.580 --> 01:22:15.580
What the hell are you? Don't worry about it.

01:22:15.580 --> 01:22:19.580
Do you guys know who won SnowRunner?

01:22:19.580 --> 01:22:22.580
Who won it? Yeah. Here we go.

01:22:22.580 --> 01:22:25.580
Here we go. No, I got him. I got him.

01:22:25.580 --> 01:22:28.580
I got me. Damn. Yeah, I'm okay.

01:22:28.580 --> 01:22:33.580
Yeah, I clipped my own tail. I saw the pieces in the air and I was like, oh, they're pieces of him.

01:22:33.580 --> 01:22:36.580
Which card? Who won SnowRunner? They weren't.

01:22:36.580 --> 01:22:39.580
Thanks, Chat. Last game. Chat knows.

01:22:39.580 --> 01:22:42.580
NVIDIA. Thank you, Chat. Thanks, Chat.

01:22:42.580 --> 01:22:45.580
I'm going to jump. We got distracted. Back into the battle here.

01:22:45.580 --> 01:22:48.580
Okay. Destroy the enemy planes. Oh crap, my engine stopped working.

01:22:48.580 --> 01:22:51.580
How's our... Make it go. Oh my goodness.

01:22:51.580 --> 01:22:54.580
This is... This is not good. Buddy, this is not even close.

01:22:54.580 --> 01:22:57.580
Let me go land and live in France for the rest of the war.

01:22:57.580 --> 01:23:05.340
You're in a firefight. I got no engine. And getting like 25% more FPS than me.

01:23:05.340 --> 01:23:10.340
And I'm way out here at a distance. This is not good.

01:23:10.340 --> 01:23:13.580
I'm coming to rescue you. Thank you. You're 2.6 kilometers away.

01:23:13.580 --> 01:23:16.580
All right. How do I throttle up? I don't know.

01:23:16.580 --> 01:23:22.580
Cool. Did you manage to land it?

01:23:22.580 --> 01:23:25.580
Yeah. Heck yeah. Hit a tree.

01:23:25.580 --> 01:23:28.580
Okay. Okay. 12 seconds.

01:23:28.580 --> 01:23:31.580
He's going to come help me over here. Incoming. Here we go.

01:23:31.580 --> 01:23:34.580
Okay. Can you see the gunfire? Can you see the gunfire hitting the ground?

01:23:34.580 --> 01:23:37.580
Yeah. Yeah. Hit that truck in front of me.

01:23:37.580 --> 01:23:40.580
He's coming to get me. I'm not sure where you jerk. What are you going to do about it?

01:23:40.580 --> 01:23:43.580
Bam! Next game. All right.

01:23:43.580 --> 01:23:46.580
Next game. Who won that? Oh you.

01:23:46.580 --> 01:23:49.580
I did. Okay. Oh dude, not even close.

01:23:49.580 --> 01:23:52.580
Okay. Yeah. So far.

01:23:52.580 --> 01:23:56.260
When people are asking who won SnowRunner, I thought they meant like which of us got farther in the object.

01:23:56.260 --> 01:23:59.260
Oh. I'm sorry. Yeah.

01:23:59.260 --> 01:24:02.260
Now I got confused for a second here. All right.

01:24:02.260 --> 01:24:05.760
But can it run minecraft?

01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:09.260
This is Java, right? Yeah. Is it modded?

01:24:09.260 --> 01:24:12.260
No. No? Okay.

01:24:12.260 --> 01:24:15.260
Okay. So obviously. Our way.

01:24:15.260 --> 01:24:18.260
Did you guys intentionally pick the same seed? Yeah. Okay.

01:24:18.260 --> 01:24:21.260
So are we both. Oh we're both in the same place. Oh look at that.

01:24:21.260 --> 01:24:24.260
Look at that. How convenient. Okay.

01:24:24.260 --> 01:24:27.260
Oh my goodness. Yeah.

01:24:27.260 --> 01:24:36.260
Not close. No contest. I mean, to be clear, 500, 600 FPS that I'm getting.

01:24:36.260 --> 01:24:39.260
Good enough. I suppose it's acceptable.

01:24:39.260 --> 01:24:43.260
No. It's not good enough. Literally double the FPS.

01:24:43.260 --> 01:24:46.260
I mean, I wouldn't say no to it. Oh yeah.

01:24:46.260 --> 01:24:49.260
And either of you got coil wine? Chat's asking.

01:24:49.260 --> 01:24:53.260
Coil wine. I mean that's going to come down more to the design of the individual board.

01:24:53.260 --> 01:24:56.260
And less down to the, like the GPU die.

01:24:56.260 --> 01:24:59.260
So, but I'm not making any out.

01:24:59.260 --> 01:25:05.260
It is a good question when you're running a game with extremely high FPS sometimes though.

01:25:05.260 --> 01:25:09.260
But I'm getting none on either of these particular cards.

01:25:09.260 --> 01:25:12.260
But. It's a lottery too, right? Yeah.

01:25:12.260 --> 01:25:16.260
Just because we have none on these cards. You could buy the exact same one and.

01:25:16.260 --> 01:25:20.260
We've got a couple of CRTs out there. We could make really wine if you want.

01:25:20.260 --> 01:25:24.260
Who is the board partner for this one anyway? Eyecraft is a.

01:25:24.260 --> 01:25:27.260
That's Max on. Oh, okay.

01:25:27.260 --> 01:25:30.260
That's actually kind of a good looking card.

01:25:30.260 --> 01:25:34.260
That's kind of like iPod vibes. So, um, double space.

01:25:34.260 --> 01:25:38.260
And then let's fly toward this island.

01:25:38.260 --> 01:25:41.260
Okay. Okay. We going?

01:25:41.260 --> 01:25:44.260
Which one was that? Okay. There.

01:25:44.260 --> 01:25:47.260
Okay. You're so far ahead of me again. Okay.

01:25:47.260 --> 01:25:51.260
So is there any like, yeah, no, this just isn't close.

01:25:51.260 --> 01:25:59.260
At all. Like four, uh, it dropped up to like 100 now and then, but.

01:25:59.260 --> 01:26:02.260
Yeah. No, my lows are much lower.

01:26:02.260 --> 01:26:06.260
My mat. My averages are much. Average are digging underground.

01:26:06.260 --> 01:26:09.260
Sure. Down we go. Yeah.

01:26:09.260 --> 01:26:12.260
Still 800. My 100. Interesting.

01:26:12.260 --> 01:26:15.260
My 1% low. Oh no. Yeah.

01:26:15.260 --> 01:26:18.260
This is terrible compared to you. Crazy. Yep.

01:26:18.260 --> 01:26:21.260
You win. Wow. Sick.

01:26:21.260 --> 01:26:26.260
I mean, this is at least going smoother than last time.

01:26:26.260 --> 01:26:29.260
Are we testing more games at more games per hour than before?

01:26:29.260 --> 01:26:32.260
No. If we have been live.

01:26:32.260 --> 01:26:38.260
If we ignore the whole, the whole lost power in the middle of the stream bit.

01:26:38.260 --> 01:26:41.260
Dan, do you want to hit me with a merge message to stall for time?

01:26:41.260 --> 01:26:44.260
Oh no, they're done. Let's go. Great job guys.

01:26:44.260 --> 01:26:47.260
Heck yeah. We are averaging one game every five minutes.

01:26:47.260 --> 01:26:54.260
Okay. Not so bad. It's blue.

01:26:54.260 --> 01:26:57.260
It might be ratchet and clank.

01:26:57.260 --> 01:27:01.260
Yes. All right. It does appear to be ratchet and clank.

01:27:01.260 --> 01:27:04.260
Man, this is a pretty game.

01:27:04.260 --> 01:27:10.260
Okay. This is actually a really good spot to stand and just move around a little bit.

01:27:10.260 --> 01:27:13.260
You're winning. Yeah.

01:27:13.260 --> 01:27:17.260
Like seriously winning.

01:27:17.260 --> 01:27:20.260
A little bit. Wow. Okay.

01:27:20.260 --> 01:27:28.260
I mean, you know, winning like 12%, but like we were talking about earlier.

01:27:28.260 --> 01:27:31.260
Hey, 12, you know, five bucks is five bucks.

01:27:31.260 --> 01:27:35.260
You know, exactly. I don't say no to five bucks.

01:27:35.260 --> 01:27:38.260
Motion blur looks like it's on though. It does though.

01:27:38.260 --> 01:27:45.260
Can we, let's lose the motion blur maybe. Let's just make sure we're running at the same settings here.

01:27:46.260 --> 01:27:49.260
I don't see any motion blur here.

01:27:49.260 --> 01:27:53.260
Okay. Yeah. It might just be, it might just be blocked off.

01:27:53.260 --> 01:27:55.260
Oh, try graphics.

01:27:59.260 --> 01:28:02.260
I don't, I don't see any. Oh, motion blur strength.

01:28:02.260 --> 01:28:05.260
There we go. Wow. There it is.

01:28:05.260 --> 01:28:08.260
Big yikes. Okay. Back.

01:28:08.260 --> 01:28:11.260
There we go.

01:28:11.260 --> 01:28:17.260
71. Now this feels like. Hope onto that guy and get the axe thing there and see if it is the same.

01:28:17.260 --> 01:28:21.260
Oh, I dipped to as low as 56 now.

01:28:21.260 --> 01:28:25.260
50 there, but as I drift across here.

01:28:25.260 --> 01:28:28.260
You're still 20, 30 above me. Yep.

01:28:28.260 --> 01:28:32.260
This is pretty clearly running better on arc.

01:28:32.260 --> 01:28:36.260
Yep. I'm getting kind of nasty tearing.

01:28:36.260 --> 01:28:39.260
Oh, so are you? Yeah, me too. Let's just the game.

01:28:39.260 --> 01:28:42.260
This might just be one of those games where the sink is worth it.

01:28:43.260 --> 01:28:46.260
We can't, we can't use variable refresh rate.

01:28:46.260 --> 01:28:49.260
Variable refresh rate would be ideal because there would be less of a latency penalty,

01:28:49.260 --> 01:28:54.260
but because we're using an HDMI matrix that is not compatible with that,

01:28:54.260 --> 01:29:02.260
we're stuck with 60 Hertz. So we're relying on, we're flying on scopes with frame view.

01:29:02.260 --> 01:29:05.260
All right. Let's move on. That's a win for arc.

01:29:05.260 --> 01:29:09.260
All right. Let's start running total for arc versus NVIDIA.

01:29:09.260 --> 01:29:11.260
Yeah. Again?

01:29:27.260 --> 01:29:30.260
I thought arc had the lead. I kind of thought it did too.

01:29:30.260 --> 01:29:35.260
Maybe I'm just like, so impressed it doesn't totally suck.

01:29:35.260 --> 01:29:39.260
Yeah. So arc, arc five, NVIDIA eight.

01:29:40.260 --> 01:29:45.260
Wow. This, is this still Java, but just like modded to high hell?

01:29:45.260 --> 01:29:48.260
Oh, this is bedrock RTX.

01:29:48.260 --> 01:29:51.260
Okay. So, okay. Hold on.

01:29:51.260 --> 01:29:54.260
I'm going to try and get to where you are. I'm going to this little watery thing. Okay.

01:29:54.260 --> 01:29:57.260
Hold on. Hold on. Yeah.

01:29:57.260 --> 01:30:00.260
Okay. Put down a little bit.

01:30:02.260 --> 01:30:05.260
Okay. Yeah. Okay.

01:30:05.260 --> 01:30:08.260
So right around. Whoa.

01:30:08.260 --> 01:30:11.260
Okay. So arc doesn't like Minecraft very much.

01:30:11.260 --> 01:30:16.260
Well, or Minecraft doesn't like arc. One of them doesn't like the other and it's mutual.

01:30:16.260 --> 01:30:19.260
Yeah. That's wild.

01:30:19.260 --> 01:30:22.260
Man. Minecraft. Okay.

01:30:22.260 --> 01:30:25.260
You can hate on bedrock all you want. And you should.

01:30:25.260 --> 01:30:28.260
But the RTX version looks.

01:30:28.260 --> 01:30:31.260
Oh, wow. It got so much better inside the frame.

01:30:31.260 --> 01:30:35.260
Pretty cool. That is very awesome playable.

01:30:35.260 --> 01:30:38.260
This is playable. You know? Yeah.

01:30:38.260 --> 01:30:43.260
It's a big difference. And when you're dipping down to 30, 40 FPS, you can feel the latency.

01:30:43.260 --> 01:30:47.260
I really don't like the look of bedrock though.

01:30:47.260 --> 01:30:50.260
Like I said, you can hate on it all you want.

01:30:50.260 --> 01:30:53.260
Yeah. And that's valid. We don't talk about bedrock.

01:30:53.260 --> 01:30:58.260
Pretty much. We don't talk about bedrock. We don't talk about Minecraft even.

01:30:58.260 --> 01:31:03.260
Ray tracing. Going into the water.

01:31:03.260 --> 01:31:07.260
A lot less impressive with the ray traced lighting.

01:31:07.260 --> 01:31:13.260
It's nice. Yeah. It's almost too gloomy though.

01:31:13.260 --> 01:31:19.260
Yeah. Like the thing about the real world is that a lot of the time it's like kind of dazzling

01:31:19.260 --> 01:31:22.260
and hard to look at and like it's hard to say things.

01:31:22.260 --> 01:31:25.260
It's just foggy outside here. Yeah.

01:31:25.260 --> 01:31:30.260
And it crafts some sunglasses.

01:31:31.260 --> 01:31:34.260
Like two obsidian and some stone or something?

01:31:34.260 --> 01:31:38.260
I don't even know.

01:31:38.260 --> 01:31:41.260
Hello, dragon.

01:31:41.260 --> 01:31:44.260
Some glass and like turtle shell maybe? Yeah.

01:31:44.260 --> 01:31:47.260
What's our next? Dan, do you want to hit me with a merge message? Yeah, sure.

01:31:47.260 --> 01:31:50.260
Let's see what we have here. Hello.

01:31:50.260 --> 01:31:53.260
Got the water bottles a while back and love them.

01:31:53.260 --> 01:31:59.260
Any plans on making an insulated coffee mug? Would love to get some insulated cups of mugs with LTT bottle quality.

01:31:59.260 --> 01:32:03.260
See you tomorrow during win. We'd love to.

01:32:03.260 --> 01:32:07.260
It just hasn't been a priority.

01:32:07.260 --> 01:32:10.260
You know, you got a limited team size.

01:32:10.260 --> 01:32:13.260
Everyone can only work on so many things at once.

01:32:13.260 --> 01:32:17.260
And that isn't one of them right now.

01:32:17.260 --> 01:32:23.260
I don't think we have any other vessels in development right now.

01:32:23.260 --> 01:32:28.260
I actually brought it up at merch meeting on Wednesday yesterday.

01:32:28.260 --> 01:32:34.260
Yesterday. Yeah, because Kyle made an offhand comment about some plastic that we were going to use

01:32:34.260 --> 01:32:39.260
for some other product and how it's very similar in composition to Nalgene water bottles.

01:32:39.260 --> 01:32:45.260
And I was like, hey, whatever happened to that project where we were going to do clear water bottles like a Nalgene?

01:32:45.260 --> 01:32:52.260
And the answer was, yeah, we haven't looked at that in years.

01:32:52.260 --> 01:32:56.260
And I was like, okay. Yep, duly noted then.

01:32:56.260 --> 01:33:01.260
That's kind of what I thought. But now I know for sure.

01:33:01.260 --> 01:33:04.260
I'm going to go fight this bear.

01:33:04.260 --> 01:33:08.260
It's a cow. Well, I'm going to fight it anyway.

01:33:08.260 --> 01:33:11.260
You have a slightly better chance against a cow than a bear.

01:33:11.260 --> 01:33:17.260
You know, if a cow was not enough, I think it could do some damage, man.

01:33:17.260 --> 01:33:20.260
Probably.

01:33:20.260 --> 01:33:24.260
I think if a cow really thought its life was in danger and wanted to take you out,

01:33:24.260 --> 01:33:27.260
I think you're done.

01:33:27.260 --> 01:33:31.260
I'm going to take out a pig.

01:33:31.260 --> 01:33:36.260
Have you ever considered using a controller duplexer slash mirror to make these tests more accurate

01:33:36.260 --> 01:33:41.260
instead of having two different people? I thought about that too late.

01:33:41.260 --> 01:33:45.260
And in most games, it won't even necessarily work.

01:33:45.260 --> 01:33:48.260
It's not like that would work in...

01:33:48.260 --> 01:33:51.260
No, you'll get random AI in a week.

01:33:51.260 --> 01:33:58.260
So it just creates the illusion of repeatability, which in some ways is actually worse.

01:33:58.260 --> 01:34:04.260
At least looking at this, knowing that it's flawed and meeting the flaws head-on

01:34:04.260 --> 01:34:08.260
is acknowledging the truth of the situation,

01:34:08.260 --> 01:34:13.260
which is that this is not a perfectly scientific test and never will be.

01:34:17.260 --> 01:34:19.260
How are you doing over there, Rhys?

01:34:20.260 --> 01:34:23.260
The video card is just thinking it's downloading something.

01:34:23.260 --> 01:34:27.260
Sure. All right, Dan, hit me. Okey-doke.

01:34:27.260 --> 01:34:36.260
Are we going to see some RTX 50 series and AMD Ryzen 9000 X3D overclocking videos?

01:34:36.260 --> 01:34:39.260
Man.

01:34:39.260 --> 01:34:45.260
I was about to say, I don't remember the last time we did an overclocking video.

01:34:45.260 --> 01:34:52.260
But I do. What was it? The last time we did an overclocking video, I think it was 12th Gen.

01:34:52.260 --> 01:34:58.260
And Asrock or somebody had a board that unlocked the locked processors.

01:34:58.260 --> 01:35:03.260
And so we made a video about overclocking the snot out of it,

01:35:03.260 --> 01:35:12.260
and it being a way better value and on Intel's locking down of overclocking capabilities over the years.

01:35:12.260 --> 01:35:15.260
Honestly, I thought it was a pretty interesting piece.

01:35:15.260 --> 01:35:17.260
Nobody cares.

01:35:19.260 --> 01:35:24.260
And so I think that was the last time I kind of tried to talk about overclocking.

01:35:24.260 --> 01:35:29.260
I mean, realistically, it comes more down to undervolting these days.

01:35:29.260 --> 01:35:33.260
We've done bits of like extreme cooling overclock things up.

01:35:33.260 --> 01:35:38.260
Long time ago. And I mean, realistically, Alex was the one driving those.

01:35:38.260 --> 01:35:46.260
I've always been kind of okay, yeah, and when it comes to things like liquid nitrogen overclocking.

01:35:46.260 --> 01:36:02.260
Yeah. Because it's, like, I could even get behind something like a multi-stage, like cascade, like Direction Die, like AC.

01:36:02.260 --> 01:36:06.260
What are they called again? Just a phase change cooler. Yeah, like just like a phase change CPU cooler.

01:36:06.260 --> 01:36:17.260
Like I remember back in the day on extreme systems and stuff, there'd be guys with these wild three-phase, like bring your CPU down to minus 80 degrees, daily driver systems and stuff.

01:36:17.260 --> 01:36:20.260
And they're woefully impractical.

01:36:20.260 --> 01:36:23.260
Who was that had the immersion case at CES?

01:36:23.260 --> 01:36:26.260
Or was it Montt? Oh, I think it's Thermaltake. Was it?

01:36:26.260 --> 01:36:29.260
Yeah, I think Thermaltake. It's pretty interesting to do a video version. Bringing back immersion.

01:36:29.260 --> 01:36:33.260
Oh, there's no way we don't do a video on that. Oh, we did a sponsor for the Montt. Yeah, last way end show.

01:36:33.260 --> 01:36:44.260
Yeah, 100% we're doing a video on that. But the thing about like dry ice and liquid nitrogen is I just look at it and I go like, okay, there is literally no conceivable way that you are daily driving that.

01:36:44.260 --> 01:36:47.260
You're not daily driving it. You're doing it.

01:36:47.260 --> 01:36:53.260
One time. It's costing you, you know, $50 every half hour or whatever in liquid nitrogen to run this thing.

01:36:53.260 --> 01:36:56.260
I don't know what the actual numbers are, but it's a lot.

01:36:56.260 --> 01:37:04.260
And with liquid helium, which is what they use for some of the really extreme benchmark runs, it's way higher, way higher.

01:37:04.260 --> 01:37:08.260
So I'm just looking at this going like, you know, the world's running out of helium too.

01:37:08.260 --> 01:37:11.260
It doesn't look great. It's just kind of silliness to me.

01:37:11.260 --> 01:37:14.260
I don't really get it. Like it's cool.

01:37:14.260 --> 01:37:20.260
And the really nerdy, I want to see things go fast part of me is like, that is so cool.

01:37:20.260 --> 01:37:28.260
But from a consumer standpoint, which is where I try to align myself, who cares?

01:37:28.260 --> 01:37:30.260
It's utterly irrelevant.

01:37:31.260 --> 01:37:42.260
Like it's basically if like, it's like if Intel and AMD CEOs got out on stage and compared like the size of their sex characteristics.

01:37:42.260 --> 01:37:47.260
It's that relevant to how good their products are for the average consumer.

01:37:47.260 --> 01:37:52.260
It just doesn't matter. So I don't know.

01:37:52.260 --> 01:38:04.260
So I just haven't really gotten into it. I could, I could see us potentially looking at trying to squeeze more out of the 9800X3D for an upcoming piece that we have.

01:38:04.260 --> 01:38:10.260
We want to try to do. Remember, we did the 500 FPS gaming PC back when who was it?

01:38:10.260 --> 01:38:13.260
ASUS launched their 500 Hertz monitor. Yeah.

01:38:13.260 --> 01:38:20.260
So I was kind of thinking now that monitor refresh rates are getting up above 700 for some of the exotic ones out there.

01:38:20.260 --> 01:38:29.260
And now that we've got the 5090, it'd be kind of cool to kick it up a notch and do the 1000 FPS gaming PC.

01:38:29.260 --> 01:38:34.260
So we'll just turn it off.

01:38:34.260 --> 01:38:42.260
Okay. And to reach that, we might need to overclock 9800X3D, but I don't know how much more we're going to get out of it.

01:38:42.260 --> 01:38:51.260
So ray tracing is off. For some reason, Intel is kind of glitching, which sort of makes this a loss for Intel, even if the performance is equal.

01:38:51.260 --> 01:38:57.260
I should be able to, I should be able to turn a setting on in the game.

01:38:57.260 --> 01:39:06.260
Just so that you guys can see it. So you, so you believe us, we're going to go ahead and go through here.

01:39:06.260 --> 01:39:09.260
We'll make it full screen for extra transparency.

01:39:09.260 --> 01:39:12.260
Yep. Ray tracing, he no go on.

01:39:12.260 --> 01:39:19.260
It's locked. Requires a DX12 and graphics card with support for DXR API.

01:39:19.260 --> 01:39:22.260
I thought it did support DXR.

01:39:22.260 --> 01:39:38.260
Hmm. The thing about, okay, the thing about ray tracing though is like HDR, there are standards, but there are also custom proprietary aspects to some implementations that can make them not work properly.

01:39:39.260 --> 01:39:48.260
Not theoretically, like, that's the, that's like the Microsoft DirectX one, but I don't know what to tell you guys.

01:39:48.260 --> 01:39:52.260
It's pretty even other than that. It's pretty even other than that.

01:39:52.260 --> 01:39:55.260
But I think you're going to get the win because of the ray tracing.

01:39:55.260 --> 01:40:00.260
My lows are a little lower maybe, but. No, mine, mine dipped.

01:40:00.260 --> 01:40:03.260
A little bit. Mine dipped a little bit as well too, I want to say.

01:40:03.260 --> 01:40:07.260
Or was I looking at you? I mean, yeah, there, mine just dipped to 90.

01:40:07.260 --> 01:40:10.260
Okay. CPU is the same.

01:40:12.260 --> 01:40:16.260
So, like, tie apart from ray tracing. Yeah, so I got to give the slight edge.

01:40:16.260 --> 01:40:20.260
It's a matter of. Want to go talk to the janitor? Where'd he go?

01:40:23.260 --> 01:40:27.260
Was that? It's amazing how good, like, rasterized lighting looks too.

01:40:27.260 --> 01:40:30.260
Yeah. That looks really good to me.

01:40:30.260 --> 01:40:33.260
You can, you can pre-bake a lot.

01:40:33.260 --> 01:40:37.260
I'm actually getting a lot lower FPS in the chat here.

01:40:37.260 --> 01:40:46.260
Me too though. Okay. I would still, I'd still call this a tie until you try to turn on ray tracing and until it falls flat.

01:40:46.260 --> 01:40:49.260
And that can be something to fix next week. You never know.

01:40:49.260 --> 01:40:52.260
You never know, but they haven't yet. They haven't yet, so it doesn't count.

01:40:52.260 --> 01:40:55.260
Let me see if chat has any thoughts on whether there's a way to.

01:40:55.260 --> 01:40:58.260
Someone says try opening the game again. Sure.

01:40:58.260 --> 01:41:00.260
I'll give it a shot. Okay guys.

01:41:04.260 --> 01:41:08.260
Nope, Dan's had enough of us. See you later, Dan.

01:41:08.260 --> 01:41:10.260
Nice knowing you.

01:41:15.260 --> 01:41:21.260
So what do you think? The next one of these, we have three systems and four helpers pre-loading.

01:41:21.260 --> 01:41:26.260
Do you think that would put the timing about right? We have to hire some more people.

01:41:26.260 --> 01:41:28.260
Resmit, kill us.

01:41:29.260 --> 01:41:32.260
We blow another circuit? Yeah.

01:41:32.260 --> 01:41:35.260
Bring in some power generation.

01:41:38.260 --> 01:41:44.260
Alright. It would be nice to do all three, but that's what?

01:41:44.260 --> 01:41:49.260
Three more hard drives? Oh yeah, no offense to AMD.

01:41:49.260 --> 01:41:55.260
These aren't cheap. But they're not a major factor in the GPU market.

01:41:55.260 --> 01:42:00.260
Neither is Intel for that matter, but the Intel question is a more interesting one because.

01:42:00.260 --> 01:42:04.260
They're exciting and new. For better or for worse, AMD's cards just like kind of work.

01:42:04.260 --> 01:42:07.260
It's not that they don't work. It's just that people don't. Yeah.

01:42:07.260 --> 01:42:10.260
Intel's been hit or miss so far, so.

01:42:10.260 --> 01:42:13.260
There's also a suggestion of launch parameters. Okay.

01:42:13.260 --> 01:42:18.260
The thing is though. I'm not doing that. That's not the test today.

01:42:18.260 --> 01:42:23.260
The test today is I'm random Joe Gamer.

01:42:23.260 --> 01:42:26.260
I launched the game. That's it.

01:42:26.260 --> 01:42:29.260
Oh, I am. I am trying relaunching the game.

01:42:29.260 --> 01:42:34.260
I think that is a reasonable enough troubleshooting step for random Joe Gamer.

01:42:34.260 --> 01:42:43.260
And I still can't turn it on. So let's call this edging out a win for Team NVIDIA.

01:42:43.260 --> 01:42:46.260
Winning on technicality.

01:42:46.260 --> 01:42:51.260
Don't fall, Andy. Alright. What are we looking at next?

01:42:51.260 --> 01:42:54.260
AOE 2. AOE 2. Let's go.

01:42:54.260 --> 01:42:57.260
Wow. Oh my goodness. This brings you back.

01:42:58.260 --> 01:43:02.260
Okay. Okay. Man, what am I supposed to be doing here?

01:43:02.260 --> 01:43:06.260
What's this buddy? Joan the maid. Is she like a special unit?

01:43:06.260 --> 01:43:09.260
Like do I have to fight these guys? Do I have to rescue them?

01:43:09.260 --> 01:43:12.260
How do you... Oh, not the... No, WSD.

01:43:12.260 --> 01:43:15.260
That's just sticking around. Okay. I never really AOE 2'd.

01:43:15.260 --> 01:43:19.260
I AOE 1'd. But never like competitively or anything.

01:43:19.260 --> 01:43:24.260
It's smaller. But two.

01:43:24.260 --> 01:43:27.260
I'm getting 287. Wow.

01:43:27.260 --> 01:43:30.260
Can you win in here? Am I winning?

01:43:30.260 --> 01:43:33.260
Am I winning? Go through the first little battlements there.

01:43:33.260 --> 01:43:36.260
I'm super down to win. Oh no.

01:43:36.260 --> 01:43:40.260
I dipped down a little. I dipped down a little.

01:43:40.260 --> 01:43:46.260
Man, you know what I've been playing with my son recently?

01:43:46.260 --> 01:43:50.260
This seems like the kind of game that there is a chance that you would appreciate.

01:43:50.260 --> 01:43:53.260
Okay. Lords of the Realm 2.

01:43:53.260 --> 01:43:56.260
Like DOS era kind of? Yeah.

01:43:56.260 --> 01:43:59.260
Oh my goodness. Did you ever play Lords of the Realm 2?

01:43:59.260 --> 01:44:03.260
I don't think I played it. It's still fun.

01:44:03.260 --> 01:44:06.260
Yeah? It's still fun. The graphics suck.

01:44:06.260 --> 01:44:09.260
Like even this looks great by comparison.

01:44:09.260 --> 01:44:12.260
Is it like EGA graphics? Dude.

01:44:12.260 --> 01:44:16.260
I don't remember what EGA is. I think it's 640 by 480.

01:44:16.260 --> 01:44:20.260
30 color? Oh, I think he would be lucky to have 30 colors in Lords of the Realm 2.

01:44:20.260 --> 01:44:23.260
No, I think it is. I think it's about that.

01:44:23.260 --> 01:44:27.260
Okay. Yeah, no, it's still fun.

01:44:27.260 --> 01:44:31.260
It turns out a good game is a good game. It really is.

01:44:31.260 --> 01:44:34.260
Stay back, lest we be caught in the crossfire.

01:44:34.260 --> 01:44:37.260
This looks like a win for me. Not by much.

01:44:37.260 --> 01:44:40.260
But I think it is. But this looks like an arc win.

01:44:40.260 --> 01:44:45.260
My GPU use is half of yours. Yeah, my lows are not really any better than yours though.

01:44:45.260 --> 01:44:50.260
Mine are half. I'm at 40% GPU a year at 100.

01:44:50.260 --> 01:44:54.260
That's interesting. Does that mean we're both CPU bottlenecked?

01:44:54.260 --> 01:44:57.260
Maybe we're both CPU bottlenecked then.

01:44:57.260 --> 01:45:01.260
I could see that. Because you look at our usage, we're both around 25%.

01:45:01.260 --> 01:45:04.260
And this is an old game, even if it's like a remaster or whatever.

01:45:04.260 --> 01:45:07.260
We might just be maxing out our one core.

01:45:07.260 --> 01:45:10.260
That's probably what it is. Okay.

01:45:10.260 --> 01:45:13.260
And everything I assume is just cranged.

01:45:13.260 --> 01:45:20.260
It is on the game, but yeah. Okay, so let's call this one, I would say it's more fair to call this one a tie then.

01:45:20.260 --> 01:45:23.260
People are saying arc W. Guys, I don't know.

01:45:23.260 --> 01:45:26.260
I don't know. Zoom out, Marty. Zoom out.

01:45:26.260 --> 01:45:29.260
No, I can't. Oh, you could.

01:45:29.260 --> 01:45:32.260
I'm all the way out. Sorry.

01:45:32.260 --> 01:45:35.260
Oh, it might be arc W.

01:45:35.260 --> 01:45:38.260
Panning around. Maybe pan around.

01:45:38.260 --> 01:45:41.260
115. When I pan.

01:45:41.260 --> 01:45:44.260
Well, you get when you pan. Oh.

01:45:44.260 --> 01:45:47.260
145. My lows are 150.

01:45:47.260 --> 01:45:50.260
I don't know, guys. I think this is a tie.

01:45:50.260 --> 01:45:53.260
Yeah. Yeah, chat's changing to tie. Okay.

01:45:53.260 --> 01:45:56.260
Okay. Oh, Rhys is still there.

01:45:56.260 --> 01:46:01.260
Okay, Dan, hit me. Oh, Gidok.

01:46:01.260 --> 01:46:06.260
Now, when you become a TV star, Linus, when will you cameo in a movie?

01:46:06.260 --> 01:46:11.260
Also, what's your favorite tech movie? Weren't you in a movie one time?

01:46:11.260 --> 01:46:14.260
I don't remember. More than once? No.

01:46:14.260 --> 01:46:17.260
No? Your official word? Yeah.

01:46:17.260 --> 01:46:20.260
Okay. Okay. Okay.

01:46:20.260 --> 01:46:23.260
When you like the star of what's it called?

01:46:23.260 --> 01:46:27.260
Mission Impossible? Sure. I would love to.

01:46:27.260 --> 01:46:32.260
Tallest home cruise. If there's any casting agents watching, I don't need to be paid for it.

01:46:32.260 --> 01:46:35.260
I don't care. I don't really need the money.

01:46:35.260 --> 01:46:39.260
To be clear, I'm not trying to scab or anything here.

01:46:39.260 --> 01:46:44.260
Like if someone else needs the work, I'm also more than happy for them to have the work

01:46:44.260 --> 01:46:47.260
or if the right thing to do is for them to pay me.

01:46:47.260 --> 01:46:50.260
I don't want to navigate the politics wrong here.

01:46:50.260 --> 01:46:54.260
I don't need the money, but I would absolutely have a blast.

01:46:54.260 --> 01:47:01.260
Just like playing the techie nephew who is fixing a computer in the background or whatever.

01:47:01.260 --> 01:47:04.260
I don't need a speaking part or anything like that. I don't care.

01:47:04.260 --> 01:47:10.260
Not for nothing, but you're a little over the nephew now. I just think I could be an elderly lady's nephew.

01:47:10.260 --> 01:47:13.260
All right. Smart guy.

01:47:14.260 --> 01:47:18.260
But yeah, I'd be super down. That'd be super fun.

01:47:18.260 --> 01:47:22.260
I did maybe film something at some point.

01:47:22.260 --> 01:47:25.260
Maybe. I don't know if it'll ever see the light of day.

01:47:25.260 --> 01:47:28.260
I can't talk about it. Maybe it will.

01:47:28.260 --> 01:47:33.260
Maybe it won't. It'd be super cool if it did. I don't know if it'll be a good movie or not, whatever.

01:47:33.260 --> 01:47:36.260
But yeah, I'd love to. I think it'd be fun.

01:47:36.260 --> 01:47:42.260
I'm not a great actor or anything, but if you just put me on camera doing what I do,

01:47:42.260 --> 01:47:45.260
like if you just put a broken computer on the set,

01:47:45.260 --> 01:47:48.260
and you're just like, okay, you just have to be in the background fixing it.

01:47:48.260 --> 01:47:51.260
You can do that. Easy.

01:47:51.260 --> 01:47:59.260
Easy. No problem. In fact, one of the things that really helped me settle in on tonight's show was

01:47:59.260 --> 01:48:03.260
for figuring out the screen sharing for the demos.

01:48:03.260 --> 01:48:08.260
Yeah. They had really good ideas for how to do it.

01:48:08.260 --> 01:48:14.260
Yeah. They were like, hey, can we put our heads together and see if there's some other ideas?

01:48:14.260 --> 01:48:20.260
Right. And that made me feel so much more comfortable the second I was working on something.

01:48:20.260 --> 01:48:23.260
Yeah. This is normal now. Yeah.

01:48:23.260 --> 01:48:31.260
Everything's fine. One of our writing team events where we get together once in a while, departmentally,

01:48:31.260 --> 01:48:34.260
just so that we don't only ever see each other at work.

01:48:34.260 --> 01:48:40.260
It's optional. One of our writing team events, though, I went, I ended up spending most of the time

01:48:40.260 --> 01:48:45.260
diagnosing Jake's VR setup or something like that because that's what I'm most comfortable

01:48:45.260 --> 01:48:49.260
doing anyway. It's not that I don't like the writing team or it's not that I don't like socializing

01:48:49.260 --> 01:48:53.260
with them or whatever. It's just that it's my comfort zone.

01:48:53.260 --> 01:49:00.260
So I just tend to gravitate toward just fixing a computer if all else is equal.

01:49:00.260 --> 01:49:04.260
That's the thing that I'll find my way to.

01:49:05.260 --> 01:49:08.260
Dan, I think you got to stall for a little bit more time here.

01:49:08.260 --> 01:49:12.260
Okey dokey.

01:49:12.260 --> 01:49:15.260
Let's see. Are you happy with the current generation of GPUs?

01:49:15.260 --> 01:49:18.260
Battle Mage, Blackwell, our DNA4?

01:49:18.260 --> 01:49:22.260
I mean, we're kind of finding that out right now.

01:49:22.260 --> 01:49:25.260
I don't really know for 50 series yet, so.

01:49:25.260 --> 01:49:29.260
I'm pretty happy with how Battle Mage is done today.

01:49:29.260 --> 01:49:33.260
We're throwing some pretty random titles at it. A lot of it's really mainstream, Normie, but.

01:49:33.260 --> 01:49:36.260
Even when it's losing, it's working. Yeah.

01:49:36.260 --> 01:49:43.260
And it's not like being totally blown into the water. And even though there's some some scalpage going on, at least we know that there's a

01:49:43.260 --> 01:49:48.260
strong intent to make it affordable and we can have some hope that it will get affordable

01:49:48.260 --> 01:49:52.260
once supply eases up a little bit. And they'll keep making it.

01:49:52.260 --> 01:49:55.260
50 series? It's tough.

01:49:55.260 --> 01:49:59.260
The only one I've been hands-on with so far is the 5090.

01:49:59.260 --> 01:50:04.260
And I have only, and that is a $2,000 GPU.

01:50:04.260 --> 01:50:08.260
So like, who cares if it's good?

01:50:08.260 --> 01:50:11.260
Yeah, yeah. Nicholas Ploof cares if it's good.

01:50:11.260 --> 01:50:16.260
The one guy. And for everyone else, it's like, what relevance does this have?

01:50:16.260 --> 01:50:19.260
Like it's cool to look at and we're going to make lots of videos.

01:50:19.260 --> 01:50:25.260
Gaming at 8K and overclocking it and shunt modding it for maximum power.

01:50:25.260 --> 01:50:28.260
Like we're going to water cool it. Like we're going to do all this.

01:50:28.260 --> 01:50:32.260
We'll do all the things. Because it's fun and it's cool and we love this stuff, right?

01:50:32.260 --> 01:50:36.260
But what relevance does it have to most people?

01:50:36.260 --> 01:50:44.260
In most of the world, $2,000 to spend that on anything but a vehicle.

01:50:44.260 --> 01:50:47.260
Unhinged. You guys ready?

01:50:47.260 --> 01:50:50.260
Yeah. All right, let's go.

01:50:50.260 --> 01:50:55.260
And that's a perspective that we have to try to not lose even if we love the tech and

01:50:55.260 --> 01:50:59.260
we love playing with it and think it's fun.

01:50:59.260 --> 01:51:03.260
I believe this is Borderlands Game of the Year Enhanced Edition.

01:51:03.260 --> 01:51:06.260
Borderlands Game of the Year Enhanced. It's really the most sensitivity edition.

01:51:06.260 --> 01:51:09.260
Man, I did not enjoy this game.

01:51:09.260 --> 01:51:13.260
I really tried to like it because my crew was into it.

01:51:13.260 --> 01:51:19.260
Same. But I just couldn't really get over the whole, it's just Diablo.

01:51:19.260 --> 01:51:22.260
Diablo and the menu has really annoyed me for some reason.

01:51:22.260 --> 01:51:27.260
I don't remember that far back well enough to know if the menu was good or bad.

01:51:27.260 --> 01:51:30.260
I don't know where I'm supposed to go right now. Oh, right.

01:51:30.260 --> 01:51:35.260
Follow the little dude. If you also want to know if the menus are bad, you can pick it up on Green Gang Gaming.

01:51:35.260 --> 01:51:40.260
Whoa, buddy. I guess it's on sale. Wow, it's like, is that $9?

01:51:40.260 --> 01:51:43.260
To access the map. It's on Green Gang Gaming for $9.

01:51:43.260 --> 01:51:46.260
$9? Yeah. 71% off or something?

01:51:46.260 --> 01:51:50.260
I don't know. I knew it being a shill. Who cares?

01:51:50.260 --> 01:51:53.260
Dan, did you say that out loud? Like, was your mic on?

01:51:53.260 --> 01:51:56.260
Yeah, I don't know. Fight or don't. Green Gang Gaming.

01:51:56.260 --> 01:51:59.260
Gaming. Shout out Green Gang Gaming. Let's go.

01:51:59.260 --> 01:52:02.260
Dan's having his own separate conversation with the viewers.

01:52:02.260 --> 01:52:08.260
And when you buy this game on Green Gang Gaming, you may want to consider running it on an

01:52:08.260 --> 01:52:11.260
NVIDIA GPU. What's the delta? A lot.

01:52:11.260 --> 01:52:14.260
Oh, wow. Yep. Like two thirds.

01:52:14.260 --> 01:52:17.260
Oh my goodness. Not that close. Oh, it's like double.

01:52:17.260 --> 01:52:21.260
Yep. 200 to 400, it looks like. With that said, I'm running it 200 FPS.

01:52:21.260 --> 01:52:24.260
So clearly. I mean, it's fine. It's fine.

01:52:24.260 --> 01:52:27.260
Oh my goodness.

01:52:27.260 --> 01:52:32.260
Die already. Okay, there we go.

01:52:32.260 --> 01:52:35.260
Do you know how to sprint in this game?

01:52:35.260 --> 01:52:39.260
Yeah. Shift. Is my keyboard broken?

01:52:39.260 --> 01:52:42.260
Oh, it's just really crappy sprinting. Okay.

01:52:42.260 --> 01:52:45.260
It's not that much faster. It's more bouncing around than sprinting.

01:52:45.260 --> 01:52:48.260
Oh, you can't strafe while you're sprinting.

01:52:48.260 --> 01:52:51.260
Okay. Hold on. Are you going to the waypoint?

01:52:51.260 --> 01:52:56.260
Yeah. Yeah, probably. Gosh darn it, Jordan.

01:52:56.260 --> 01:53:01.260
All right, I'm going to try and get to wherever you are.

01:53:01.260 --> 01:53:07.260
Because there was a, yeah, like you're not running any higher than me right now.

01:53:07.260 --> 01:53:12.260
Oh, I'm moving directly away from the waypoint.

01:53:12.260 --> 01:53:15.260
Sick. Where is the waypoint? Oh, it's on the map.

01:53:15.260 --> 01:53:18.260
Hold tab.

01:53:18.260 --> 01:53:22.260
Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And you know what?

01:53:22.260 --> 01:53:26.260
This is 250 FPS. This is running great on R.

01:53:26.260 --> 01:53:29.260
Yeah.

01:53:29.260 --> 01:53:33.260
But Jordan's seeing as high as like 350, 400.

01:53:33.260 --> 01:53:42.260
I had 491 point, I think. That's a little greater.

01:53:42.260 --> 01:53:47.260
Dan, hit me.

01:53:47.260 --> 01:53:54.260
Sure. Linus, are you willing to do a non-DGPU build with that new AMD CPU?

01:53:54.260 --> 01:53:59.260
Give it everything you can to help. Fastest memory SSD to see if it's viable.

01:53:59.260 --> 01:54:02.260
Then go over the cost to make sense versus a DGPU.

01:54:02.260 --> 01:54:05.260
I can tell you right now the performance will make sense.

01:54:05.260 --> 01:54:10.260
And I can tell you right now the cost is very unlikely to make sense.

01:54:10.260 --> 01:54:16.260
I think that it is probably a very low volume product for AMD.

01:54:16.260 --> 01:54:19.260
We're talking about Ryzen AI Max Plus.

01:54:19.260 --> 01:54:27.260
So the one that I checked out in that ROG Z-Series gaming tablet thing.

01:54:27.260 --> 01:54:31.260
Like gaming surface.

01:54:31.260 --> 01:54:34.260
Flow Z13. Flow Z13. That's the one.

01:54:34.260 --> 01:54:38.260
Thanks, Andy. Yeah, it's so cool. It's an incredible looking chip.

01:54:38.260 --> 01:54:43.260
The performance that we were getting out of just 80 watts blew my flipping mind.

01:54:43.260 --> 01:54:46.260
Did you check out that video? I did. Yeah, it was awesome.

01:54:46.260 --> 01:54:52.260
So cool. And when I was in the AMD booth the next day or I think two days later, I was in the AMD

01:54:52.260 --> 01:54:58.260
booth and they showed me an HP notebook that was running the same chip but at a lower power

01:54:58.260 --> 01:55:02.260
envelope. So it was at 60 watts, which I have heard.

01:55:02.260 --> 01:55:07.260
I'm not going to attribute this to anyone. I have heard it's probably about the sweet spot for the chip.

01:55:07.260 --> 01:55:14.260
Okay. So this like seriously not that much chunkier than my Snapdragon.

01:55:14.260 --> 01:55:17.260
Really? A little bit. A little bit.

01:55:17.260 --> 01:55:24.260
And denser. Like heavier. But very compact machine running that chip at 60 watts.

01:55:24.260 --> 01:55:27.260
Just like slays AAA games.

01:55:27.260 --> 01:55:30.260
Yeah. Medium settings. 1080p.

01:55:30.260 --> 01:55:33.260
But still. Still on chip. Yeah.

01:55:33.260 --> 01:55:41.260
That's crazy. The thing is though, like we've seen time and time again that mobile chips, mobile performance

01:55:41.260 --> 01:55:45.260
chips are not price competitive in the desktop.

01:55:45.260 --> 01:55:48.260
And you see this when you look at just like anything from Mini's form, right?

01:55:48.260 --> 01:55:52.260
They're great. They're cool little machines. In fact, I think we've even got one running over here.

01:55:52.260 --> 01:55:55.260
Yeah. We've got to cut. Speak of the devil.

01:55:55.260 --> 01:56:02.860
Got a couple of Mini's forms over here. So convenient. They're great for all kinds of things and they have a value beyond just price to performance.

01:56:03.860 --> 01:56:08.860
Their price to performance isn't it.

01:56:08.860 --> 01:56:11.860
All right. Seriously? Fortnite?

01:56:11.860 --> 01:56:14.860
Apparently. All right. Let's do it.

01:56:14.860 --> 01:56:18.860
Let's play some Fortnite. I found out recently that my son is like really good at Fortnite.

01:56:18.860 --> 01:56:21.860
Oh yeah? Yeah. He's like actually a gamer.

01:56:21.860 --> 01:56:24.860
Well, it's good. Go figure. It's too bad it's Fortnite.

01:56:24.860 --> 01:56:27.860
You mean X son? It's too bad it's Fortnite.

01:56:27.860 --> 01:56:29.860
You mean X son? For what it's worth.

01:56:30.860 --> 01:56:33.860
Guys, cousins into it though. Oh, okay. So they've been playing.

01:56:33.860 --> 01:56:36.860
That's cool. All right.

01:56:36.860 --> 01:56:39.860
Here we go. Wow. Wow.

01:56:39.860 --> 01:56:42.860
I find that match so much more easily than you. At least you better. I guess you should get good scrub.

01:56:42.860 --> 01:56:45.860
I don't know. We'll see. Oh boy.

01:56:45.860 --> 01:56:48.860
Time to prepare some shaders for a bit. Oh no.

01:56:48.860 --> 01:56:51.860
We're good. We're good. That didn't take that long.

01:56:51.860 --> 01:56:54.860
Here we go. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:56:54.860 --> 01:56:58.860
I'm going to build. I'm going to run.

01:56:58.860 --> 01:57:01.860
Okay. Should we try to land in approximately the same spot? Oh wow.

01:57:01.860 --> 01:57:04.860
That's a beautiful dream. Where are you dropping boys?

01:57:06.860 --> 01:57:08.860
I'm connecting. That's pretty good.

01:57:09.860 --> 01:57:12.860
Battle bus launching in nine seconds, six seconds.

01:57:12.860 --> 01:57:15.860
Here we go. Here we go. Here we go.

01:57:15.860 --> 01:57:19.860
Preparing shaders. Nice. That's mostly CPU though.

01:57:19.860 --> 01:57:23.860
Why aren't they duoing? Oh yeah. We probably should have done that.

01:57:23.860 --> 01:57:27.860
We need to set aside an afternoon for someone to go through all of our benchmarking accounts.

01:57:28.860 --> 01:57:31.860
And make sure they're all friends on Steam.

01:57:31.860 --> 01:57:34.860
They're all friends. They're in the family now. Are they all?

01:57:34.860 --> 01:57:37.860
Yeah, because we're sharing games between things. They're not friends. They're not friends.

01:57:37.860 --> 01:57:44.860
They're not friends. Okay. We need to make sure they're all friends on Epic and Steam and Origin and all the various...

01:57:44.860 --> 01:57:47.860
Okay, so where should I go? I don't know.

01:57:47.860 --> 01:57:50.860
How do you fortnite? Dude, do I look like I know that?

01:57:50.860 --> 01:57:53.860
Sammy, are you a fortniter? Okay, I'm going to go to the castle on the right.

01:57:53.860 --> 01:57:56.860
See this one? Castle in the very... Okay.

01:57:57.860 --> 01:58:02.860
Okay. Tilted towers. And I'm going to take my sweep time falling.

01:58:02.860 --> 01:58:06.860
I have a diamond pony? This is my thing?

01:58:08.860 --> 01:58:12.860
Okay, I'm going to glide down as slow as I can. So hopefully you can catch up to me.

01:58:14.860 --> 01:58:17.860
Am I still above it? Oh lordy. I don't even know where I am anymore.

01:58:17.860 --> 01:58:19.860
Okay, yes I do. Oh!

01:58:20.860 --> 01:58:23.860
Okay, diamond pony is back. Oh shoot. I keep pressing space.

01:58:23.860 --> 01:58:26.860
I want to hold space to glide, but it's not right.

01:58:27.860 --> 01:58:30.860
Okay. Where are you heading? No, no, you got to dive more.

01:58:30.860 --> 01:58:33.860
Yeah, you got to skydive so you can get there faster. Yeah.

01:58:34.860 --> 01:58:37.860
Apparently its name is Butt Stallion.

01:58:38.860 --> 01:58:42.860
Butt Stallion? I don't need to know that.

01:58:42.860 --> 01:58:45.860
That is not a necessary thing for me to know. No, you do.

01:58:45.860 --> 01:58:48.860
Where are you heading? Well, I thought I was going to the castle over there. Okay, okay, are you heading to that house there?

01:58:48.860 --> 01:58:52.860
I don't know. No, no, you're not going to make it to the castle. Okay, that house on the right.

01:58:52.860 --> 01:58:55.860
All right. Okay, deploy your glider and head to that.

01:58:55.860 --> 01:58:58.860
Okay, I'm coming too. Kind of by that orange bridge.

01:58:59.860 --> 01:59:01.860
Oh, am I going to be able to get there?

01:59:02.860 --> 01:59:05.860
Okay, I'm taking my diamond pony there. Just try not to die.

01:59:05.860 --> 01:59:08.860
No promises. Okay.

01:59:09.860 --> 01:59:12.860
I just want us to be in approximately the same spot on the map.

01:59:12.860 --> 01:59:16.860
Wait, where are you landing? Oh, you missed it brother.

01:59:16.860 --> 01:59:19.860
Okay, are you in this house down here? No, no, I'm coming, I'm coming.

01:59:19.860 --> 01:59:22.860
I'll come to that house. I'll come to that house. Where are we at?

01:59:24.860 --> 01:59:27.860
Geez. Oh, we better not die right away.

01:59:27.860 --> 01:59:29.860
Okay, okay, I'm coming, I'm coming.

01:59:30.860 --> 01:59:33.860
These look pretty even. They're both getting around 75.

01:59:33.860 --> 01:59:36.860
Why is my... Come on, diamond pony, get to the ground.

01:59:36.860 --> 01:59:40.860
How do I... Hurry up. How do I get off the pony?

01:59:41.860 --> 01:59:43.860
Get P for pony. I don't know.

01:59:46.860 --> 01:59:49.860
Okay, is anyone around here? No, I think I'm good, I'm safe. Okay, where are you at?

01:59:49.860 --> 01:59:52.860
I'm in the building. Okay, are you in the one that you landed next to?

01:59:52.860 --> 01:59:56.860
Yes, sir. Okay, here, here, here. Okay, so we're in the TV, watching TV?

01:59:56.860 --> 02:00:00.860
Yeah. Okay, what are we looking at? Oh, wow, it's a dead heat.

02:00:00.860 --> 02:00:03.860
Yeah. Whoa, that is...

02:00:03.860 --> 02:00:05.860
Wow, that is really close.

02:00:06.860 --> 02:00:09.860
You could tell me right now that we are on the exact same system

02:00:09.860 --> 02:00:12.860
and I'd be like, yep, I believe you.

02:00:12.860 --> 02:00:15.860
Okay, so let's come out and let's go down this path here.

02:00:17.860 --> 02:00:19.860
Where are you at? I have no idea.

02:00:20.860 --> 02:00:24.860
Okay, oh yeah, okay. So I'm facing the same rock as you.

02:00:24.860 --> 02:00:28.860
Let's go to the right. Here we go. And let's just run down the path here.

02:00:28.860 --> 02:00:34.860
Alright. 77, 76, 77, 78, 80.

02:00:34.860 --> 02:00:38.860
76. Oh, you're running. Okay, 75.

02:00:38.860 --> 02:00:42.860
Pretty even. It is possible that my averages are a little lower.

02:00:42.860 --> 02:00:44.860
It looks like they are a little lower.

02:00:45.860 --> 02:00:51.860
Your 1%'s are a little lower. My 1%'s have been sometimes higher though

02:00:51.860 --> 02:00:53.860
and sometimes a little lower.

02:00:54.860 --> 02:00:59.860
I think this might be a slight win for NVIDIA,

02:00:59.860 --> 02:01:04.860
but it's so close that I would be hesitant

02:01:04.860 --> 02:01:07.860
to declare it a clear victory.

02:01:07.860 --> 02:01:12.860
It's really close. We've drifted off each other a little bit here.

02:01:12.860 --> 02:01:15.860
I was getting shot at. Oh, that makes sense.

02:01:18.860 --> 02:01:21.860
Okay. Yeah. Alright, next game's ready.

02:01:21.860 --> 02:01:22.860
Let's go.

02:01:24.860 --> 02:01:27.860
Yeah, chat declares it to be a tie. Alright.

02:01:28.860 --> 02:01:31.860
Oh, we're benchmarking here. Alright.

02:01:32.860 --> 02:01:35.860
1, 2, 3, start. You okay?

02:01:35.860 --> 02:01:38.860
1, 2, 3. Here we go, boys.

02:01:38.860 --> 02:01:43.860
I believe this is the Final Fantasy 14 benchmark?

02:01:43.860 --> 02:01:46.860
Indeed. Yes. Okay.

02:01:46.860 --> 02:01:50.860
You can tell by the Moodle. It's loaded a little faster. I just have a tiny screen.

02:01:51.860 --> 02:01:54.860
I think I win. Oh, come on.

02:01:54.860 --> 02:01:59.860
We're not measuring loading time. Although, it was a lot faster for you.

02:01:59.860 --> 02:02:03.860
Hard drive? Hmm. Maybe they're not in Drive.

02:02:03.860 --> 02:02:04.860
Okay, here we go.

02:02:06.860 --> 02:02:10.860
I'm at like 230, 220 with this guy's face in the way.

02:02:11.860 --> 02:02:15.860
Okay, I'll remember that spot.

02:02:15.860 --> 02:02:18.860
Oh, 260. Hold on.

02:02:18.860 --> 02:02:22.860
Come on. Oh, dang.

02:02:22.860 --> 02:02:26.860
Okay. Ten lower? Yeah, this looks like it might be a loss for me.

02:02:27.860 --> 02:02:28.860
We'll see.

02:02:30.860 --> 02:02:34.860
It looks like I dipped off less when I came off of that though.

02:02:34.860 --> 02:02:38.860
If we look at the FPS chart below. Oh, no, maybe about the same.

02:02:39.860 --> 02:02:45.860
Let's see how this load goes here. Let me hide your face because we've got score bottom left.

02:02:45.860 --> 02:02:46.860
Yeah.

02:02:53.860 --> 02:02:56.860
I think you dropped off a little less there. I'm trying.

02:02:56.860 --> 02:02:59.860
Yeah, I think my highs are less high.

02:02:59.860 --> 02:03:02.860
You're a little more even. But my lows might be a little less low, yeah.

02:03:02.860 --> 02:03:04.860
I'm a little more jagged, I think.

02:03:05.860 --> 02:03:08.860
You heard it here first. Jordan, he's a jagged guy.

02:03:08.860 --> 02:03:10.860
A little bit jagged. Jagged.

02:03:11.860 --> 02:03:12.860
Okay.

02:03:20.860 --> 02:03:22.860
I don't know what to make of this one so far.

02:03:24.860 --> 02:03:29.860
Relatively even, but... I'm willing to bet my spike here is not as spiky as yours was.

02:03:29.860 --> 02:03:31.860
You're a little bit above me right now, actually.

02:03:34.860 --> 02:03:37.860
Yeah, see, it's a smaller spike here.

02:03:37.860 --> 02:03:40.860
This is that spike.

02:03:40.860 --> 02:03:41.860
Yeah.

02:03:44.860 --> 02:03:47.860
Is that a good spike or a bad spike? I think I might win this.

02:03:47.860 --> 02:03:50.860
Is that a frame rate or what do we look at here, even? Frame rate.

02:03:50.860 --> 02:03:53.860
Okay. Yeah. I think I might win this.

02:03:53.860 --> 02:03:56.860
You're certainly more consistent. Yeah, NVIDIA isn't full screen.

02:03:56.860 --> 02:03:59.860
Does that matter? It shouldn't matter, but...

02:03:59.860 --> 02:04:00.860
Oh, boy.

02:04:03.860 --> 02:04:05.860
No!

02:04:07.860 --> 02:04:10.860
I have brought shame to my family. I'll restart it.

02:04:10.860 --> 02:04:12.860
Do it in full screen.

02:04:15.860 --> 02:04:19.860
All tighter? That's what I did. Womp, womp.

02:04:20.860 --> 02:04:23.860
Yeah, I don't know. It might just be confusingly added.

02:04:23.860 --> 02:04:26.860
What's the CPU? We're running a 12-gen i5.

02:04:26.860 --> 02:04:28.860
Let's try it again here.

02:04:31.860 --> 02:04:32.860
Settings.

02:04:36.860 --> 02:04:38.860
Presuming you're on that, but who knows?

02:04:40.860 --> 02:04:44.860
Oh, 12,600K. It happens to be in the screen cap right now.

02:04:44.860 --> 02:04:48.860
No, there you go. Our Queen and NVIDIA can't full screen.

02:04:48.860 --> 02:04:52.860
No, no, no. It can, it can. Okay, well, maybe what we'll do is...

02:04:52.860 --> 02:04:55.860
We'll come back to this one. ...let these guys wrap, and then we'll come back

02:04:55.860 --> 02:04:58.860
and we'll revisit the benchmark scores. Or Dan can interrupt us...

02:04:58.860 --> 02:05:01.860
Yeah. ...when Jordan completes.

02:05:01.860 --> 02:05:05.860
And then we'll get a conclusion to this.

02:05:05.860 --> 02:05:08.860
Yep. Okay, how's it buddy?

02:05:08.860 --> 02:05:11.860
Okay, the performance is the same. It's the same as it was before.

02:05:11.860 --> 02:05:14.860
Window doesn't seem to matter as much as it used to.

02:05:15.860 --> 02:05:21.860
Oh yeah, man. Dudelike and Counter-Strike. The latency running in window mode in the old days, yeah.

02:05:21.860 --> 02:05:26.860
I think that's... I'm showing my age too, thinking window mode is worse.

02:05:26.860 --> 02:05:30.860
This is a very cool benchmark. I've never actually run it.

02:05:30.860 --> 02:05:33.860
It hasn't really come up for me.

02:05:33.860 --> 02:05:37.860
It does a really good job of showing a lot of different environments.

02:05:37.860 --> 02:05:40.860
Yep. Lots of characters, lots of different models.

02:05:40.860 --> 02:05:45.860
Yeah, very cool. It's a pretty good looking game for how we'll do this.

02:05:47.860 --> 02:05:51.860
Man, you can pick out a Final Fantasy character from like a thousand miles away, though,

02:05:51.860 --> 02:05:54.860
just from their outfit. Yep.

02:05:55.860 --> 02:05:59.860
Any messages there, Dan? Yeah, I got some rich messages.

02:05:59.860 --> 02:06:03.860
Yeah, hit me. Question for Linus.

02:06:03.860 --> 02:06:07.860
Do you think Intel will be able to keep up with the next couple of generations

02:06:07.860 --> 02:06:10.860
with the same performance increase as this generation,

02:06:10.860 --> 02:06:13.860
or will NVIDIA and AMD outpace them?

02:06:14.860 --> 02:06:20.860
I think everyone is bumping up against the same limitations right now.

02:06:20.860 --> 02:06:23.860
A lot of our performance improvements over the years

02:06:23.860 --> 02:06:26.860
have come from just being able to build smaller transistors

02:06:26.860 --> 02:06:30.860
and pack more of them in, and that's not happening the same way anymore.

02:06:30.860 --> 02:06:33.860
It's always happening. It's happening at an extremely high cost,

02:06:33.860 --> 02:06:36.860
and if Intel gets their fab stuff figured out,

02:06:36.860 --> 02:06:41.860
then they may be able to gain a cost advantage,

02:06:41.860 --> 02:06:46.860
even if it's not a huge technology advantage compared to everyone else who has to pay the TSMC tax.

02:06:46.860 --> 02:06:49.860
But as it is now, if you want to look,

02:06:49.860 --> 02:06:54.860
if you go high enough up the chain for why everything is so flip and expensive,

02:06:54.860 --> 02:06:58.860
you've got to go all the way past NVIDIA to TSMC and ASML,

02:06:58.860 --> 02:07:02.860
who are developing the tools to build these new dies,

02:07:02.860 --> 02:07:08.860
and who are, if the industry Scuttlebutt is to be believed,

02:07:08.860 --> 02:07:13.860
at least a major contributor to the costs

02:07:13.860 --> 02:07:16.860
being much higher for companies like NVIDIA and AMD,

02:07:16.860 --> 02:07:19.860
and right now Intel, because from my understanding,

02:07:19.860 --> 02:07:22.860
and I am 99.9% sure of this,

02:07:22.860 --> 02:07:26.860
but I've made mistakes before, but BattleMage is built on TSMC,

02:07:26.860 --> 02:07:30.860
not in Intel's own fabs. The reason I'm hedging is because

02:07:30.860 --> 02:07:34.860
maybe there's a little sub die or something like that

02:07:34.860 --> 02:07:38.860
that's built by Intel, but I'm pretty sure it's 100% TSMC.

02:07:38.860 --> 02:07:42.860
This is not your score here. 9.3, 17,000.

02:07:42.860 --> 02:07:48.860
So they are impacted by all the same industry forces

02:07:48.860 --> 02:07:52.860
as AMD or NVIDIA are the fabless companies.

02:07:52.860 --> 02:07:55.860
Okay, so that's my score.

02:07:55.860 --> 02:07:59.860
And let's go ahead and move on to our next game. Let's finish up yet.

02:07:59.860 --> 02:08:05.860
Yeah, I guess you guys are not able to do anything for the moment.

02:08:05.860 --> 02:08:10.860
Just give it a minute to finish there. What are we playing here?

02:08:10.860 --> 02:08:14.860
Looks spooky. Left for dead maybe?

02:08:14.860 --> 02:08:18.860
No. Did you just say left for dead? No, not left for dead. Resident Evil.

02:08:18.860 --> 02:08:21.860
Resident Evil 2, here we go. Left for dead, what the hell?

02:08:21.860 --> 02:08:24.860
Okay, where are we at? We're looking at the blue dumpster.

02:08:24.860 --> 02:08:27.860
Okay, we're looking at the car.

02:08:27.860 --> 02:08:30.860
It is indeed a car.

02:08:30.860 --> 02:08:33.860
That is a car. It's very foggy in here.

02:08:33.860 --> 02:08:38.860
That's a fogged up thing to say. No.

02:08:38.860 --> 02:08:42.860
Okay, three. Oh man, this is really close.

02:08:42.860 --> 02:08:45.860
Yeah. Okay.

02:08:45.860 --> 02:08:49.860
Your minimums look a little more consistent, sir.

02:08:49.860 --> 02:08:54.860
You're a little higher on CPU, but your GPU is lower.

02:08:54.860 --> 02:08:57.860
Okay, I'm coming around the back of the car.

02:08:57.860 --> 02:09:03.860
That's one thing that's very consistent is the NVIDIA GPU is always at like 97% or more utilization.

02:09:03.860 --> 02:09:06.860
It's just always being fully utilized.

02:09:06.860 --> 02:09:10.860
I actually don't know what game this is. What is it?

02:09:10.860 --> 02:09:13.860
Resident Evil 2, thank you.

02:09:13.860 --> 02:09:17.860
Oh, I saw a really low dip in your 1% lows there to 120.

02:09:17.860 --> 02:09:20.860
Oh my. I'm not the only one seeing that then.

02:09:20.860 --> 02:09:23.860
Okay. Okay. Pull up the rain here a little bit.

02:09:23.860 --> 02:09:29.860
This really looks like a tie to me, you guys. I think so.

02:09:29.860 --> 02:09:34.860
We've got some people in the chat saying that the rendering on the jacket looks really different.

02:09:34.860 --> 02:09:37.860
I can't say that I agree with that, you guys.

02:09:37.860 --> 02:09:41.860
If you guys hold it still right there, let me just bring up a couple frames.

02:09:41.860 --> 02:09:44.860
This is the B550.

02:09:44.860 --> 02:09:48.860
That looks pretty similar to me. It's the same to me, you guys.

02:09:48.860 --> 02:09:53.860
I can't say that I see a difference there.

02:09:53.860 --> 02:09:56.860
No, I think that might just be... The lighting is the same.

02:09:56.860 --> 02:09:59.860
Oh, someone said it was before one of us stepped out into the rain.

02:09:59.860 --> 02:10:03.860
Oh. Yeah, okay.

02:10:03.860 --> 02:10:08.860
So if we go undercover, does our jacket dry off?

02:10:08.860 --> 02:10:14.860
Yeah, that makes sense. Man, I hated it when this was the strategy for hair.

02:10:14.860 --> 02:10:17.860
Yeah. This just like...

02:10:17.860 --> 02:10:21.860
The clump? No, not the clump.

02:10:21.860 --> 02:10:25.860
This weird noise. Oh.

02:10:25.860 --> 02:10:29.860
Yeah, see in the back here. Yeah, it looks really stupid.

02:10:29.860 --> 02:10:32.860
It looks like a rendering error.

02:10:32.860 --> 02:10:35.860
Really bad transparency artifacting.

02:10:35.860 --> 02:10:39.860
Yeah. And when it's combined with doing the same thing on the shadow.

02:10:39.860 --> 02:10:43.860
To be clear, I'm not blaming ARC for this. No.

02:10:43.860 --> 02:10:46.860
Yeah, that was a yucky time in hair rendering.

02:10:46.860 --> 02:10:49.860
And I'm glad we've moved past it now.

02:10:49.860 --> 02:10:52.860
All right, is that score done? The score is done, yeah.

02:10:52.860 --> 02:10:55.860
All right, let's get over and have a look. Who won?

02:10:55.860 --> 02:10:59.860
Resident Evil. I'm calling this one a tie. Okay.

02:10:59.860 --> 02:11:03.860
Here we go. Whoa, buddy.

02:11:03.860 --> 02:11:07.860
Yeah. Now, do they give us any more detail on this?

02:11:07.860 --> 02:11:11.860
Or is that it? Just a score?

02:11:12.860 --> 02:11:16.860
That appears to be it. Looks like it's just a score.

02:11:16.860 --> 02:11:19.860
Well, that seems like a pretty clear win. I suppose so.

02:11:19.860 --> 02:11:22.860
So that's it. Okay. All right.

02:11:22.860 --> 02:11:27.860
Needs a keen. While they're getting another one started, is there one that you guys would like us to fire up over here?

02:11:27.860 --> 02:11:31.860
Oh, Farming Simulator 22? I don't know which one.

02:11:31.860 --> 02:11:34.860
Oh, we got it. Sorry, NVIDIA won that one?

02:11:34.860 --> 02:11:38.860
Yeah. Okay, well, I can just buy a copy.

02:11:38.860 --> 02:11:42.860
Should I just buy a copy? What?

02:11:42.860 --> 02:11:46.860
Yeah, okay. So purchase.

02:11:46.860 --> 02:11:49.860
Nice. Okay.

02:11:49.860 --> 02:11:52.860
And you zoom in on the credit card here for us.

02:11:52.860 --> 02:11:56.860
$40. That's why we're...

02:11:56.860 --> 02:11:59.860
Just give them a minute to get a green man to get it. We have...

02:11:59.860 --> 02:12:02.860
Green man gave us a gift card. Oh, green man.

02:12:02.860 --> 02:12:05.860
Just give them time. Oh, okay. Let's let them...

02:12:05.860 --> 02:12:09.860
Do a merge message or two. You'll be fine. Okay, Dan, hit me with a merge message.

02:12:09.860 --> 02:12:12.860
Okey-dokey. I'm... Sorry?

02:12:12.860 --> 02:12:15.860
I'm Happy Arc, a 770 gamer.

02:12:15.860 --> 02:12:18.860
Is it worth upgrading to Battle Mage,

02:12:18.860 --> 02:12:21.860
or should I try and wait until Celestial or Druid?

02:12:21.860 --> 02:12:26.860
Well, the thing about Battle Mage is that they didn't do a 700 series GPU.

02:12:26.860 --> 02:12:32.860
They didn't even try to build a top of the line. And maybe that's because when they tried to build a top of the line

02:12:32.860 --> 02:12:36.860
last time around, because Intel's nomenclature, right?

02:12:36.860 --> 02:12:40.860
And then they introduced the i5, i7, and then they introduced 9 later.

02:12:40.860 --> 02:12:44.860
So the idea was that Arc 770 was supposed to be

02:12:44.860 --> 02:12:47.860
not 9, but 7.

02:12:47.860 --> 02:12:50.860
And realistically, it ended up more like 3.

02:12:50.860 --> 02:12:54.860
So this time around, they're aiming at 5

02:12:54.860 --> 02:12:59.860
and ending up a lot closer to low 5, high 3.

02:12:59.860 --> 02:13:05.860
I understand that. I think that if B580 and B570

02:13:05.860 --> 02:13:10.860
were in the same time around, it would be realistic for Celestial

02:13:10.860 --> 02:13:15.860
to come in with a broader range of products.

02:13:15.860 --> 02:13:18.860
I don't think that Intel is going to stop

02:13:18.860 --> 02:13:22.860
their dedicated work on upcoming Arc architectures.

02:13:22.860 --> 02:13:27.860
It's just whether they make their way out of the mobile chips into desktop GPUs

02:13:27.860 --> 02:13:31.860
that could be questionable.

02:13:31.860 --> 02:13:34.860
Everything I've heard seems to indicate

02:13:34.860 --> 02:13:42.860
that they're committed, but you never know, right? Large companies like Intel can just spin off a division.

02:13:42.860 --> 02:13:47.860
And literally the people working on it could find out that the same time that the public does.

02:13:47.860 --> 02:13:52.860
So it's impossible for us to say for sure.

02:13:52.860 --> 02:13:55.860
Got one more, Den? Yep.

02:13:55.860 --> 02:13:59.860
They're coming in now, finally. So Shopify seems to have fixed itself.

02:13:59.860 --> 02:14:04.860
Are you comfortable with how much AI is in the new 50 series?

02:14:04.860 --> 02:14:10.860
Are you even allowed to talk about that, I guess? Yeah, it would be very difficult for me to talk about that.

02:14:10.860 --> 02:14:13.860
I can comment on anything that NVIDIA talked about

02:14:13.860 --> 02:14:19.860
in their keynote at CES. Clearly these cards are designed to run local models.

02:14:19.860 --> 02:14:24.860
They're designed to assist using machine learning,

02:14:24.860 --> 02:14:28.860
tasks like gaming or noise reduction.

02:14:28.860 --> 02:14:31.860
I could speculate that there might be other loads

02:14:31.860 --> 02:14:34.860
that they would assist with, but they haven't talked about anything specific.

02:14:34.860 --> 02:14:37.860
So am I comfortable with it?

02:14:37.860 --> 02:14:45.860
I mean, it's not a question of comfort to me so much.

02:14:45.860 --> 02:14:48.860
It is a question of would I prefer it?

02:14:48.860 --> 02:14:51.860
Like it's kind of like back when Intel

02:14:51.860 --> 02:14:54.860
started putting IGPUs on all of their CPUs.

02:14:54.860 --> 02:14:58.860
And I looked at it and I kind of went, I have a graphics card.

02:14:58.860 --> 02:15:02.860
I don't need the IGPU. I'd rather you just use the extra die area

02:15:02.860 --> 02:15:06.860
to give me another core. And looking back at it now, I was wrong.

02:15:06.860 --> 02:15:14.860
IGPUs were the path forward to assisting CPUs with key tasks.

02:15:14.860 --> 02:15:21.860
They're really convenient for troubleshooting. I'm glad we have IGPUs on both Intel and AMD

02:15:21.860 --> 02:15:25.860
flagship tier CPUs now.

02:15:25.860 --> 02:15:30.860
But it doesn't change that that's how I felt about it. And I can see why a lot of people might look at a product

02:15:30.860 --> 02:15:33.860
like RTX 5090 and go for crying out loud NVIDIA

02:15:33.860 --> 02:15:37.860
if you just didn't have any of this AI crap on it. How many more CUDA cores could you have packed in there?

02:15:37.860 --> 02:15:40.860
And it's a valid question.

02:15:40.860 --> 02:15:47.860
But would 10% or 5% more CUDA cores

02:15:47.860 --> 02:15:50.860
have had the impact on the gaming experience

02:15:50.860 --> 02:15:57.860
that this AI hardware does? Obviously NVIDIA doesn't think so.

02:15:57.860 --> 02:16:01.860
So it's not a question of comfort. It's a question of preference.

02:16:01.860 --> 02:16:06.860
I recognize that more CUDA cores

02:16:06.860 --> 02:16:09.860
wasn't going to get us to a ray traced future.

02:16:09.860 --> 02:16:14.860
I mean, we made a video this recently where we looked at Indiana Jones and the Great Circle

02:16:14.860 --> 02:16:17.860
and talked about how RTX on is going to be mandatory

02:16:17.860 --> 02:16:23.860
in some games going forward. Whether I like it or not, it is.

02:16:23.860 --> 02:16:29.860
That is. So I guess I'd rather that my card is ready for the future

02:16:29.860 --> 02:16:32.860
rather than not be ready for the future

02:16:32.860 --> 02:16:36.860
even if that future is not my preferred future.

02:16:49.860 --> 02:16:54.860
Who's sleeping?

02:16:54.860 --> 02:16:57.860
Dan, do you want to hit me with one more?

02:16:57.860 --> 02:17:01.860
Yeah, sure. Love the B570 coverage.

02:17:01.860 --> 02:17:05.860
If it hasn't been done, can you test Guild Wars 2?

02:17:05.860 --> 02:17:10.860
Question for the team. What are your favorite, if any, MMOs?

02:17:10.860 --> 02:17:13.860
I think the only MMO I ever played

02:17:13.860 --> 02:17:21.860
was I played World of Warcraft and I played it for the entire time that was included

02:17:21.860 --> 02:17:25.860
and then I never actually bought a subscription

02:17:25.860 --> 02:17:31.860
and when I say I played it for the entire time that was included, I mean literally the entire time.

02:17:31.860 --> 02:17:34.860
I ate, slept, and played World of Warcraft

02:17:34.860 --> 02:17:38.860
and so I recognized, A, that I didn't want to support

02:17:38.860 --> 02:17:41.860
paying a subscription to play one game

02:17:41.860 --> 02:17:44.860
and that was not something I had a strong interest in

02:17:44.860 --> 02:17:47.860
and B, that this particular game

02:17:47.860 --> 02:17:51.860
was clearly delivering enough content

02:17:51.860 --> 02:17:54.860
that I could easily justify paying for it monthly

02:17:54.860 --> 02:17:58.860
given how much I enjoyed playing it

02:17:58.860 --> 02:18:01.860
but number three, I needed to have a life

02:18:01.860 --> 02:18:04.860
so those were the three things that I sort of recognized

02:18:04.860 --> 02:18:08.860
and ultimately never played World of Warcraft again or another MMO.

02:18:08.860 --> 02:18:13.860
How about you, you ever MMO? I played a lot of WoW until the first expansion then got out.

02:18:13.860 --> 02:18:16.860
Yeah, okay. And lots of Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2.

02:18:16.860 --> 02:18:19.860
Okay, all right. Yeah, those were the main ones.

02:18:19.860 --> 02:18:22.860
Everything other than that, I played Star Wars,

02:18:22.860 --> 02:18:25.860
whatever the current one is when it first came out

02:18:25.860 --> 02:18:29.860
but I got to Endgame in a week and it wasn't even worth it after that.

02:18:29.860 --> 02:18:32.860
Right, okay. The Endgame wasn't good at the time

02:18:32.860 --> 02:18:35.860
and I think it's gotten better now but I haven't gone back.

02:18:35.860 --> 02:18:38.860
And I'm an Eve guy.

02:18:38.860 --> 02:18:41.860
Oh, Eve, of course. I forgot about Eve.

02:18:41.860 --> 02:18:44.860
Of course I'm an Eve guy. Yeah, spreadsheet simulator.

02:18:44.860 --> 02:18:48.860
What are you doing Eve? Oh, I watch movies. What about having another job?

02:18:48.860 --> 02:18:51.860
Yeah.

02:18:51.860 --> 02:18:56.860
Good stuff. I now live in wormhole space.

02:18:56.860 --> 02:19:00.860
Are we doing Guild Wars? I don't know. He asked about it.

02:19:00.860 --> 02:19:03.860
What are they doing over there? Frostpunk?

02:19:03.860 --> 02:19:06.860
Oh, you're doing the first one or the second one? Second one.

02:19:06.860 --> 02:19:10.860
Okay, cool. There's some mixed thoughts on the second one.

02:19:11.860 --> 02:19:15.860
I'm willing to. Yeah, you already...

02:19:15.860 --> 02:19:19.860
What are you guys doing now? Should I close Farm Simulator and should we just play Guild Wars 2?

02:19:21.860 --> 02:19:24.860
I mean... I think it's got to download a bunch if we do.

02:19:25.860 --> 02:19:28.860
It's not a small download if I remember right.

02:19:28.860 --> 02:19:30.860
Hmm, I see.

02:19:31.860 --> 02:19:34.860
Oh yeah. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Yeah, this might be...

02:19:34.860 --> 02:19:37.860
Maybe not. Of course 2 might not be happening.

02:19:37.860 --> 02:19:40.860
I want Frostpunk. L's and G's. They're working on that over there.

02:19:40.860 --> 02:19:43.860
All right. And then your guys are going to come over here

02:19:43.860 --> 02:19:46.860
and get Farm Simulator going? Cool.

02:19:46.860 --> 02:19:50.860
Somebody asked for 25? Oh yeah, this is 22.

02:19:52.860 --> 02:19:56.860
Oh, my shared library. There's a 20's library? Oh, that's probably me stealing it as you open it.

02:19:56.860 --> 02:20:00.860
Way to go. All right, I'm going to check.

02:20:00.860 --> 02:20:05.860
Want to hit me with another merge message? Sure. Should we do a handful more and then call it though, guys?

02:20:05.860 --> 02:20:08.860
Yeah, we're good to go until 3 is what we've been told. We've got about a half hour left.

02:20:08.860 --> 02:20:11.860
Okay. Oh, great. Okay, sure.

02:20:11.860 --> 02:20:16.860
Is there anything that LMG has sacrificed when you started focusing on the Labs?

02:20:16.860 --> 02:20:22.860
Given the difficulties on getting the Labs up and running, what would you do differently if you can go back in time?

02:20:22.860 --> 02:20:25.860
Well, there's no way I can discuss everything that I would do differently.

02:20:25.860 --> 02:20:34.860
But I will say that it was clear that we needed a stronger direction

02:20:34.860 --> 02:20:39.860
in terms of deciding on which verticals we were going to master

02:20:39.860 --> 02:20:44.860
before trying to move on to start to figure out something else.

02:20:44.860 --> 02:20:49.860
And I think my manner of project management works really well for me.

02:20:49.860 --> 02:20:52.860
Like back when I was the main writer of everything,

02:20:52.860 --> 02:20:59.860
I would have easily 20, 25, 30 projects on the go at a given time.

02:20:59.860 --> 02:21:02.860
And the reason is because I had to.

02:21:02.860 --> 02:21:05.860
Otherwise, nothing longer term would ever get done.

02:21:05.860 --> 02:21:09.860
Like if I was only focused on my next five projects,

02:21:09.860 --> 02:21:13.860
I would have absolutely no hope of project six getting done

02:21:13.860 --> 02:21:17.860
because I would finish project five and I'd go, okay,

02:21:17.860 --> 02:21:24.860
I'm ready to start working on project six. I need to source a weird cooler.

02:21:24.860 --> 02:21:27.860
I guess, well, what? I'd wait two weeks for it to arrive?

02:21:27.860 --> 02:21:30.860
No. No, I need to be working on project six.

02:21:30.860 --> 02:21:33.860
Ages ago, so that I have the parts in hand

02:21:33.860 --> 02:21:36.860
so that I can form some first impressions

02:21:36.860 --> 02:21:39.860
and then put it aside again and finish today's shoot

02:21:39.860 --> 02:21:45.860
and then come back to it. I am very much a balls man, you know?

02:21:45.860 --> 02:21:48.860
Juggling balls, keeping them in the hand.

02:21:48.860 --> 02:21:51.860
We're doing phrasing? Five or six.

02:21:51.860 --> 02:21:55.860
And that works really well for me. And so, you know, when I look at something like Labs,

02:21:55.860 --> 02:21:58.860
I go, okay, well, you know, for this particular vertical,

02:21:58.860 --> 02:22:01.860
there's a six month lead time on a power supply tester.

02:22:01.860 --> 02:22:05.860
So order it now, you know, figure out what we need.

02:22:05.860 --> 02:22:08.860
And then while we're instead of sitting there for six months,

02:22:08.860 --> 02:22:16.860
we can like work on other things. And that was something that I think didn't work.

02:22:16.860 --> 02:22:19.860
And there's a number of reasons that it didn't work.

02:22:19.860 --> 02:22:22.860
And one of the reasons is that just plain,

02:22:22.860 --> 02:22:26.860
just doesn't work for a lot of people.

02:22:27.860 --> 02:22:31.860
And for a lot of goals,

02:22:31.860 --> 02:22:35.860
not every goal can be kind of broken out that way.

02:22:35.860 --> 02:22:40.860
And I wasn't the one running the lab, so I don't know, I couldn't tell you with 100% certainty

02:22:40.860 --> 02:22:43.860
exactly what challenges they faced

02:22:43.860 --> 02:22:49.860
and, you know, why certain things worked or didn't. But what I can say for sure is that trying to go so broad

02:22:49.860 --> 02:22:54.860
at so many verticals right out of the gate didn't work.

02:22:54.860 --> 02:22:58.860
And we're figuring it out. All right, our system's ready over there.

02:22:58.860 --> 02:22:59.860
I think so.

02:23:02.860 --> 02:23:04.860
Here we go.

02:23:07.860 --> 02:23:10.860
Frostpunk 2. Have you guys played this yet?

02:23:10.860 --> 02:23:13.860
Oh, no. I played the first one.

02:23:13.860 --> 02:23:21.860
This one is quite contentious because people are expecting the first one and it is not the first one.

02:23:21.860 --> 02:23:25.860
What am I looking at here?

02:23:25.860 --> 02:23:30.860
What is this? You're basically like managing kind of like heat and power

02:23:30.860 --> 02:23:32.860
and everything.

02:23:34.860 --> 02:23:37.860
Trying not to kill all your dudes.

02:23:37.860 --> 02:23:42.860
Managing heat and power. Okay, so make sure your generator's on

02:23:42.860 --> 02:23:45.860
and then start some frost breaking. Turn generators on.

02:23:45.860 --> 02:23:50.860
Okay, well my generator is on, so let's do some frost breaking.

02:23:50.860 --> 02:23:53.860
Good, I guess. Do some frost and what? Frost breaking.

02:23:53.860 --> 02:23:57.860
Frost breaking. I think you have to build it down in the bottom menu.

02:23:57.860 --> 02:24:00.860
Okay, construct districts.

02:24:00.860 --> 02:24:03.860
How about a logistics district?

02:24:03.860 --> 02:24:07.860
How about here? No, I need 20 heat.

02:24:07.860 --> 02:24:12.860
I need it near a generator. Wow, this really seems like the kind of game

02:24:12.860 --> 02:24:16.860
that needs a manual or a tutorial. That I'm sure exists.

02:24:16.860 --> 02:24:19.860
I just haven't viewed it.

02:24:20.860 --> 02:24:24.860
Okay, here's how we move around. Okay, cool. Well, I'm not going to bother building anything.

02:24:24.860 --> 02:24:27.860
Instead, what I'm going to do is I'm going to play around with the camera.

02:24:27.860 --> 02:24:30.860
I'm going to move it around a little bit. Let's get in real close to our... Whoa!

02:24:30.860 --> 02:24:33.860
Boy, we can really get in close. Okay. Hey, how about your view of the...

02:24:33.860 --> 02:24:38.860
Hey, look at that. We're both on the Christmas tree. I'm getting creamed.

02:24:38.860 --> 02:24:41.860
Crushing it even. Oh. Not by that much.

02:24:41.860 --> 02:24:44.860
Well, my minimum's recovered. They were at like 12. Oh.

02:24:44.860 --> 02:24:47.860
Yeah. And yours are at 20 now. Yours are at 11.

02:24:47.860 --> 02:24:50.860
Okay, what's going on here? My view, though. Yeah.

02:24:50.860 --> 02:24:53.860
Why is your CPU usage so high? I don't know.

02:24:53.860 --> 02:24:57.860
My GPU is nothing. What? I can't be right.

02:24:57.860 --> 02:25:01.860
That looks bugged. I would say so.

02:25:01.860 --> 02:25:06.860
Okay. So we're coming out to the city level view.

02:25:06.860 --> 02:25:09.860
Oh, is your generator not running? No, it's on.

02:25:09.860 --> 02:25:12.860
Oh. Well, I don't know. It looks like it's on.

02:25:12.860 --> 02:25:15.860
Well, I turned it off. Oops. Way to go, Jordan.

02:25:15.860 --> 02:25:19.860
Okay. Okay. So 50, 55.

02:25:19.860 --> 02:25:25.860
Oh. Wow. This game's really inconsistent on both of them.

02:25:25.860 --> 02:25:28.860
If I had to give the edge to... Hold on.

02:25:28.860 --> 02:25:31.860
Yours are better than me. I'm going to restart frame view real quick here.

02:25:31.860 --> 02:25:34.860
And if you guys also want to freeze your entire population to death,

02:25:34.860 --> 02:25:38.860
you can pick this up on greemangaming.com.

02:25:38.860 --> 02:25:46.860
Thanks, Dan. Turn your generators on.

02:25:46.860 --> 02:25:49.860
What? 1% CPU. There we go.

02:25:49.860 --> 02:25:54.860
Okay. That's more like it.

02:25:54.860 --> 02:25:59.860
If I had to pick a winner, it looks like the slight edge goes to you.

02:25:59.860 --> 02:26:02.860
What about when you pan around? What do your 1% lows look like?

02:26:02.860 --> 02:26:06.860
Because I'm dropping down to like 25. I'm in the 40s.

02:26:06.860 --> 02:26:09.860
60. Give it a little throw-throw, you know?

02:26:09.860 --> 02:26:12.860
Yeah. This is looking like an NVIDIA win.

02:26:12.860 --> 02:26:16.860
Yeah. 60 is my low.

02:26:16.860 --> 02:26:19.860
Okay. That's crazy. Yeah.

02:26:19.860 --> 02:26:23.860
I think this is an NVIDIA win.

02:26:23.860 --> 02:26:26.860
CPU's kind of evened out.

02:26:26.860 --> 02:26:33.860
Man, after the review, which we did on the fastest modern CPU, right?

02:26:33.860 --> 02:26:37.860
Yep. Because that's the conventional wisdom, is you want to reduce the potential for the

02:26:37.860 --> 02:26:40.860
GPU to be bottlenecked. Yeah.

02:26:40.860 --> 02:26:44.860
So we're going to work one against the 4060 pretty handily.

02:26:44.860 --> 02:26:47.860
Yeah. Now that we're using a couple of generationals.

02:26:47.860 --> 02:26:54.860
Real world. I5, it is looking neck and naaaan NVIDIA win.

02:26:54.860 --> 02:26:59.860
I think NVIDIA has a slight edge, but the dollar factor is kind of where it gets decided.

02:26:59.860 --> 02:27:03.860
So at the end of the day, this is going to come down to price, which is kind of a cool

02:27:03.860 --> 02:27:08.860
place for it to be because. Actually, there's the VR factor as well.

02:27:08.860 --> 02:27:11.860
I'm not supporting VR at all right now.

02:27:11.860 --> 02:27:15.860
That is. So that's kind of a deal breaker for me. That is a downer.

02:27:15.860 --> 02:27:21.860
That is a mega downer. It isn't a deal breaker for me because my VR machine is separate from my other machine.

02:27:21.860 --> 02:27:27.860
Yeah. That is a, that is definitely what they call a champagne situation.

02:27:27.860 --> 02:27:30.860
You know. Hmm. Yeah.

02:27:30.860 --> 02:27:37.860
And to NVIDIA's credit, one of the things they do really well is support software support

02:27:37.860 --> 02:27:42.860
for their products. I would expect this to get drivers for a very long time.

02:27:42.860 --> 02:27:48.860
I expect it to get, I expect it to operate.

02:27:48.860 --> 02:27:52.860
Not flawlessly, flawlessly is that's a big word, but I expect it to operate relatively

02:27:52.860 --> 02:27:55.860
smoothly for a very, very long time.

02:27:55.860 --> 02:27:59.860
And like it's getting the DLS back ported from 50 series.

02:27:59.860 --> 02:28:06.860
Yep. We'll see how much performance it maybe takes because of that, but yeah.

02:28:06.860 --> 02:28:10.860
It's a tough one. It is tough.

02:28:10.860 --> 02:28:16.860
I want Intel to succeed at this, but there's a few things yet that make it hard to buy.

02:28:16.860 --> 02:28:20.860
Should I mark that down because somebody did ask you to try SteamVR?

02:28:20.860 --> 02:28:23.860
Let's turn it up a little bit. I'm curious.

02:28:23.860 --> 02:28:30.860
Oh, disabled. So what was that, Dan? Should I mark that down as a win for NVIDIA because somebody did ask to try SteamVR?

02:28:30.860 --> 02:28:34.860
We specified at the start we weren't going to VR, so.

02:28:34.860 --> 02:28:38.860
Yeah, but it's definitely an NVIDIA win given that Intel gets a did not finish.

02:28:38.860 --> 02:28:41.860
No, forget it. Okay then. I'm over it.

02:28:41.860 --> 02:28:44.860
All right. So you're calling that for NVIDIA?

02:28:44.860 --> 02:28:47.860
All right, cool. Oh, are we doing Siv?

02:28:47.860 --> 02:28:50.860
Let's go. Are you guys calling this?

02:28:50.860 --> 02:28:54.860
Let's go. Are you guys calling the Frostbunk 2 for NVIDIA?

02:28:54.860 --> 02:28:57.860
I'm calling it for NVIDIA, I think. Yeah.

02:28:57.860 --> 02:29:00.860
Dan, do you want to hit me with a merge message?

02:29:00.860 --> 02:29:07.860
Sure. I still see some benchmarks with the 1080 Ti as comparison card to 3000 and 4000 series,

02:29:07.860 --> 02:29:10.860
but the 2000 series seems to be forgotten.

02:29:10.860 --> 02:29:16.860
Why? The reason is that the 2000 series did not sell especially well.

02:29:17.860 --> 02:29:25.860
So the reason that the 10 series tends to get included is because, at least I'm speaking for us

02:29:25.860 --> 02:29:29.860
and I assume other reviewers are following a similar process at least some of the time,

02:29:29.860 --> 02:29:36.860
one of the, okay, there are a number of ways that we determine what to compare against.

02:29:36.860 --> 02:29:42.860
One is equal price in the market, okay, because that's the competition.

02:29:42.860 --> 02:29:50.860
One is previous generation, similarly priced product that someone may be upgrading from.

02:29:50.860 --> 02:29:54.860
Another is personal interest and curiosity.

02:29:54.860 --> 02:30:00.860
So for that reason, we often included ARC in our previous GPU reviews,

02:30:00.860 --> 02:30:05.860
even if it was in a completely different performance class, just because we wanted to kind of see how it was going.

02:30:05.860 --> 02:30:09.860
And then the last one is because it's something that a lot of people have,

02:30:09.860 --> 02:30:12.860
and it's something that they have a good frame of reference for.

02:30:12.860 --> 02:30:17.860
So Jordan has the Steam hardware survey up over here, which is an invaluable tool for us,

02:30:17.860 --> 02:30:24.860
and that shows that for a very, very, very long time, we are going to be including RTX 3060.

02:30:24.860 --> 02:30:27.860
1650 will probably be included for a long time.

02:30:27.860 --> 02:30:33.860
In performance charts, because those are a couple of cards that a lot of people,

02:30:33.860 --> 02:30:37.860
literally 10% of Steam gamers have one of those two cards.

02:30:37.860 --> 02:30:42.860
So if we're looking at something that is even remotely in the same price band,

02:30:42.860 --> 02:30:46.860
those are really relevant comparison cards, even if they aren't the last gen one,

02:30:46.860 --> 02:30:49.860
or even if they aren't at the same price, exactly today.

02:30:49.860 --> 02:30:54.860
All right, let's move over. And when 20 series came out, there was literally no reason to buy one.

02:30:54.860 --> 02:31:00.860
Yeah, there was no content for it. It was a pretty tough sell.

02:31:00.860 --> 02:31:05.860
All right, return to game, here we go.

02:31:05.860 --> 02:31:09.860
Continue.

02:31:09.860 --> 02:31:12.860
Nudisive six. Oh my goodness. Okay.

02:31:12.860 --> 02:31:18.860
All right, we good? We're good. Let's go for a little walk.

02:31:18.860 --> 02:31:21.860
Let's do that. Okay.

02:31:21.860 --> 02:31:25.860
Oh, my settler says that's a good place for a city.

02:31:25.860 --> 02:31:29.860
The advisor. Okay, well, in fairness, I haven't played in a while.

02:31:29.860 --> 02:31:32.860
The advisor is often quite... Drunk?

02:31:32.860 --> 02:31:41.860
Quite mistaken about good places to put a city. You go like two more spaces, and it's awesome with lots of great productivity and stuff

02:31:41.860 --> 02:31:45.860
that you need right at the beginning, and then you don't go two more spaces,

02:31:45.860 --> 02:31:49.860
and they're like, oh yeah, this is a really good place for them.

02:31:49.860 --> 02:31:54.860
Anyway, man, it's such a balancing act at the beginning of the game.

02:31:54.860 --> 02:31:58.860
If you don't start your first city freaking immediately,

02:31:58.860 --> 02:32:02.860
you're kind of boned for all the early ages,

02:32:02.860 --> 02:32:10.860
but if you pick a crappy site for your first city, then you're kind of boned.

02:32:10.860 --> 02:32:13.860
How do I start a... How do I found a city in this one?

02:32:13.860 --> 02:32:17.860
You don't know. Send and find a city.

02:32:17.860 --> 02:32:20.860
Hey, let's go.

02:32:20.860 --> 02:32:24.860
Lundy. How's your performance, Jordan?

02:32:24.860 --> 02:32:28.860
I'm at about 400 frames a second. Me too.

02:32:28.860 --> 02:32:31.860
30% graphics? Or CPU rather?

02:32:31.860 --> 02:32:34.860
I'm a little higher on the CPU... I don't know, quite a bit higher.

02:32:34.860 --> 02:32:39.860
I'm about 10% higher on the CPU usage, and my FPS is nearly identical.

02:32:39.860 --> 02:32:42.860
It looks like this one's going to be another tie,

02:32:42.860 --> 02:32:47.860
but another example of Intel's CPU usage being...

02:32:47.860 --> 02:32:52.860
Just a little bit higher. Measurably higher, which could be more impactful

02:32:52.860 --> 02:32:57.860
if you have an older or a fewer cord CPU.

02:32:57.860 --> 02:33:00.860
Let's make a city.

02:33:01.860 --> 02:33:06.860
Ooh, choose research. Let's go with astrology.

02:33:06.860 --> 02:33:09.860
That seems like the most useful thing for my civilization to have.

02:33:09.860 --> 02:33:12.860
That's your top priority. Let's learn about which...

02:33:12.860 --> 02:33:14.860
At all times.

02:33:17.860 --> 02:33:21.860
Let's learn about which constellation means what.

02:33:21.860 --> 02:33:24.860
Bonuses earned. Yeah, whatever. Next turn.

02:33:24.860 --> 02:33:27.860
Okay. I haven't played Siv in a while. Either.

02:33:27.860 --> 02:33:31.860
Oh, okay. Well, dumb question. Yeah, I heard sevens coming.

02:33:31.860 --> 02:33:35.860
I think the last one I played was four. People are saying not the same map,

02:33:35.860 --> 02:33:39.860
and Jordan is way zoomed out. Okay, let's both zoom way out.

02:33:39.860 --> 02:33:44.860
Okay. And very similar, guys.

02:33:44.860 --> 02:33:48.860
It looks pretty similar. I'll zoom way in on my city.

02:33:48.860 --> 02:33:52.860
Me too. Yeah, guys, this is pretty darn...

02:33:52.860 --> 02:33:55.860
It's not different enough. Pretty darn similar.

02:33:55.860 --> 02:33:58.860
I think in the zoomed in view,

02:33:58.860 --> 02:34:03.860
the edge does go to arc here,

02:34:03.860 --> 02:34:09.860
but zoomed out. They were about the same.

02:34:09.860 --> 02:34:14.860
The wind cover kind of the same amount of space. Yeah, if we were to look for one to have a wind here...

02:34:14.860 --> 02:34:20.860
If you got the wind... It would be arc, but the problem with that is that it's a 20 FPS difference on the 1% lows,

02:34:20.860 --> 02:34:27.860
which at this high of a number is only 6%.

02:34:27.860 --> 02:34:30.860
This is like complaining CSGO is running at 500 frames a second.

02:34:30.860 --> 02:34:33.860
With that said, I mean, with W is a W. 5% is...

02:34:33.860 --> 02:34:37.860
Yeah, you get the wind, but... It's a narrow wind.

02:34:37.860 --> 02:34:40.860
Yeah. Calling it for arc? Sure.

02:34:40.860 --> 02:34:49.860
Yeah, we can call it for arc. We'll throw arc of bone.

02:34:49.860 --> 02:34:52.860
Oh, boy. All right. Hey!

02:34:52.860 --> 02:34:55.860
Baldur's Gate 3, let's go! Okay.

02:34:55.860 --> 02:35:04.860
Playing in DX11, just so you guys know.

02:35:04.860 --> 02:35:07.860
All right, so we're moving around.

02:35:07.860 --> 02:35:10.860
Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

02:35:10.860 --> 02:35:13.860
Uh-oh arc fans.

02:35:13.860 --> 02:35:16.860
Oh, boy. How you doing arc fans?

02:35:16.860 --> 02:35:20.860
Less good than you were before. I'll tell you that much.

02:35:20.860 --> 02:35:23.860
Oh, okay. Oh, okay.

02:35:23.860 --> 02:35:26.860
She had a little moment there when we were switching over to a controller.

02:35:26.860 --> 02:35:30.860
Do you want to use a controller, actually? Not really, but okay.

02:35:30.860 --> 02:35:34.860
All right. What a hater. Why would you play a controller with this game?

02:35:34.860 --> 02:35:39.860
Absolute hater, so that we can just camera follow around our character, Jordan.

02:35:39.860 --> 02:35:42.860
I guess so. Okay, so we're going to the same zoom level?

02:35:42.860 --> 02:35:45.860
Yeah, same zoom level. Here we go. Uh, where are you going?

02:35:45.860 --> 02:35:48.860
You're going through the giant sphincter? Yeah, I did this for Jordan. Or did you already go through?

02:35:48.860 --> 02:35:51.860
Okay, hold on. Wait for me. Wait for me.

02:35:51.860 --> 02:35:54.860
It's the advantage of the keyboard and mouse. You can move better, you know.

02:35:54.860 --> 02:35:58.860
Yeah, I will. Okay, hold on. I'm going to the same spot.

02:35:58.860 --> 02:36:01.860
Oh, boy.

02:36:01.860 --> 02:36:04.860
Okay. Oh, yeah.

02:36:04.860 --> 02:36:07.860
I mean, if we were going to call that one a win for arc. That's fair.

02:36:07.860 --> 02:36:11.860
Then we definitely need to call this one a win for NVIDIA.

02:36:11.860 --> 02:36:16.860
There's no real question.

02:36:16.860 --> 02:36:19.860
Uh-huh. The fire a little bit here.

02:36:19.860 --> 02:36:22.860
It's really not that far off, but it... With some dragons going.

02:36:22.860 --> 02:36:25.860
...isn't the same. Want to try the game in Vulcan?

02:36:25.860 --> 02:36:28.860
Uh, we can try... Yeah, we could try the game in Vulcan.

02:36:28.860 --> 02:36:31.860
Sure. Why don't we give Vulcan a shot?

02:36:31.860 --> 02:36:35.860
Let's try it. So you win DirectX 11.

02:36:35.860 --> 02:36:46.860
Yep. Let's see how arc fares in Vulcan.

02:36:46.860 --> 02:36:50.860
Benergy says arc seems to be running consistently cooler than the 4060.

02:36:50.860 --> 02:36:53.860
Is that just down to the cooler? Yes.

02:36:53.860 --> 02:36:57.860
We have a wimpy little basic MSI. Looks like a Ventus or something.

02:36:57.860 --> 02:37:01.860
Huh. Yes. Ventus 2X for NVIDIA.

02:37:01.860 --> 02:37:04.860
And then we have this beefy Max Sun card for arc.

02:37:04.860 --> 02:37:09.860
We mentioned it earlier in the stream, but it is worth re-mentioning that you should...

02:37:09.860 --> 02:37:12.860
And we're also obviously not in the cases and...

02:37:12.860 --> 02:37:22.860
Yeah. No proper airflow. You should ignore the cooling results for the GPUs.

02:37:22.860 --> 02:37:26.860
All right. I am going to try and launch again. My launcher crashed last time.

02:37:26.860 --> 02:37:30.860
Yeah, mine did too. Oh, really? I heard it didn't launch for me.

02:37:30.860 --> 02:37:33.860
Nice. All right, here we go. Feeders.

02:37:33.860 --> 02:37:39.860
No AMD comparison. The point was arc battle mage.

02:37:39.860 --> 02:37:42.860
How are the drivers? Can you just play any game?

02:37:42.860 --> 02:37:45.860
And the real competitor in the space is NVIDIA.

02:37:45.860 --> 02:37:48.860
NVIDIA is the market leader by a country mile.

02:37:48.860 --> 02:37:55.860
And adding a third system would have added a ton of complexity to a production that was already responsible for...

02:37:55.860 --> 02:37:58.860
This took like two weeks to work already. Yeah.

02:37:58.860 --> 02:38:01.860
And we already know that AMD works.

02:38:01.860 --> 02:38:05.860
Yeah. There's no trust factor there.

02:38:05.860 --> 02:38:10.860
There's no they're going to work. If you want benchmarks, you know, when a new card comes out, we'll like review it in benchmark it.

02:38:10.860 --> 02:38:18.860
But the point to this is more evaluating compatibility, but also just having that NVIDIA card there as a reference point.

02:38:18.860 --> 02:38:22.860
All right, my game managed to launch now. Here we go.

02:38:22.860 --> 02:38:25.860
Shader cache.

02:38:25.860 --> 02:38:30.860
Shader boss wins. All right, I'll wait until it starts here.

02:38:30.860 --> 02:38:33.860
Hey Dan, do we have a big backlog of merge messages?

02:38:33.860 --> 02:38:38.860
Should I be trying to burn through them as we get close to the end of this? Yeah, we've got about 10 minutes left and we have 12 merge messages to go through.

02:38:38.860 --> 02:38:41.860
You want to start hitting me with some? Sure.

02:38:41.860 --> 02:38:44.860
Oh, actually, we already did that one.

02:38:44.860 --> 02:38:49.860
On the wandsweats, I snag the back right pocket and tore the rubber to rubber seal slash glue.

02:38:49.860 --> 02:38:54.860
Can you tell me what process or glue is used originally so I can fix them as close to original as possible?

02:38:54.860 --> 02:39:01.860
That is a wonderful question for our wonderful and talented customer support team at Creator Warehouse.

02:39:01.860 --> 02:39:04.860
You're going to want to go on LTT Store, send a message.

02:39:04.860 --> 02:39:11.860
They are a little bit backlogged from the incredible support you guys showed us during the holiday shopping period this year

02:39:11.860 --> 02:39:16.860
and also the incredible reception that there has been to the commuter bag.

02:39:16.860 --> 02:39:21.860
Reviews are starting to pop up both on LTT Store and on Reddit for the commuter bag.

02:39:21.860 --> 02:39:25.860
People are absolutely flipping, loving this thing.

02:39:25.860 --> 02:39:32.860
I saw it compared to a peak design bag that cost, I believe, about $100 more.

02:39:32.860 --> 02:39:42.860
They compared very favorably. They ended up rating both of them like the same number out of 10 but said that the LTT commuter bag would be their daily driver.

02:39:42.860 --> 02:39:46.860
They thought it was really thoughtfully designed and whatever.

02:39:46.860 --> 02:39:49.860
I'll let you guys go find the reviews.

02:39:49.860 --> 02:39:52.860
Don't take my word for it.

02:39:52.860 --> 02:39:55.860
Anyway, the customer support team is a little behind right now.

02:39:55.860 --> 02:39:58.860
What is the power consumption between the two cards?

02:39:58.860 --> 02:40:03.860
We are not evaluating that today, but I can tell you right now, higher for ARC.

02:40:03.860 --> 02:40:06.860
I'm in the market for a handheld that have no idea where to start.

02:40:06.860 --> 02:40:10.860
Can you give me a rundown on the best handhelds I should consider?

02:40:10.860 --> 02:40:14.860
Hold on a sec. Whoa, buddy!

02:40:14.860 --> 02:40:17.860
Okay, hold on. Whoa, buddy!

02:40:17.860 --> 02:40:20.860
I think this might be a tie. It's close.

02:40:20.860 --> 02:40:24.860
I think it might be a tie now. I think...

02:40:24.860 --> 02:40:28.860
Dude. I think I win Vulcan.

02:40:28.860 --> 02:40:30.860
I think you win DirectX 11.

02:40:32.860 --> 02:40:34.860
Oh, not a tie.

02:40:36.860 --> 02:40:39.860
Maybe not. Okay, let's go through the sphincter.

02:40:49.860 --> 02:40:53.860
Oh boy. No.

02:40:53.860 --> 02:40:56.860
I don't think I can take a win here. This is too close.

02:40:56.860 --> 02:41:00.860
But I think we could call this game a tie and just say, hey, make sure you run ARC on Vulcan.

02:41:00.860 --> 02:41:04.860
Yeah. This looks like a tie to me. Oh, I should have touched lower.

02:41:04.860 --> 02:41:07.860
Oh. Oh, why? Whoa.

02:41:07.860 --> 02:41:10.860
Oh, that was a big stutter. Mind you, it was lifting. Oh, same here.

02:41:10.860 --> 02:41:14.860
Okay. That's fine. I'm willing to call it a tie.

02:41:15.860 --> 02:41:18.860
Then what else? Do we have another one on B? Okay.

02:41:18.860 --> 02:41:21.860
Oh, we do. One more game here. Okay.

02:41:21.860 --> 02:41:24.860
The Zooming Man Stench didn't make much of a difference

02:41:29.860 --> 02:41:32.860
Hello, LMG. I love the cargo pants. Any other colorways planned?

02:41:35.860 --> 02:41:38.860
Yes. We're planning Navy for the cargo pants.

02:41:38.860 --> 02:41:41.860
Sorry, what's that, Andy? You haven't really answered the other ones.

02:41:41.860 --> 02:41:45.860
Oh, yeah. Sorry. What are the good handhelds right now?

02:41:45.860 --> 02:41:49.860
What should they consider? Oh. What game is this?

02:41:49.860 --> 02:41:54.860
Death Stranding. You'd be foolish if you didn't at least consider the Steam Deck

02:41:54.860 --> 02:41:57.860
or Steam Deck OLED.

02:41:57.860 --> 02:42:01.860
It's a really well put together little package.

02:42:01.860 --> 02:42:05.860
And as long as you're willing to accept that not every Windows game

02:42:05.860 --> 02:42:08.860
is going to run, it's great.

02:42:08.860 --> 02:42:11.860
It's such a console-like experience.

02:42:11.860 --> 02:42:14.860
Instant power-on, instant suspend.

02:42:14.860 --> 02:42:18.860
I love the Steam Deck and I love what Valve is doing with Steam OS.

02:42:19.860 --> 02:42:24.860
With that said, there's, when it comes to compatibility,

02:42:24.860 --> 02:42:28.860
Windows is king. And for that, the Ally is a very compelling option.

02:42:28.860 --> 02:42:33.860
I know that Lenovo has some really cool stuff coming over the next little bit.

02:42:33.860 --> 02:42:36.860
I actually, I don't know if the ShortCircuit is up yet,

02:42:36.860 --> 02:42:41.860
but I previewed their upcoming like 8.8 inch,

02:42:41.860 --> 02:42:45.860
like with the new AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme

02:42:45.860 --> 02:42:48.860
and the performance is just awesome.

02:42:48.860 --> 02:42:55.860
And then MSI's Claw 8 AI, whatever,

02:42:55.860 --> 02:43:01.860
the one that we did the sponsored ShortCircuit on. Hey, I mean, that's the whole subject of today's stream.

02:43:01.860 --> 02:43:06.860
Arc has come a long way. It uses Arc graphics in Intel's latest mobile chips

02:43:06.860 --> 02:43:14.860
and it runs pretty well. I haven't side-by-sided it with like an Ally X or anything like that,

02:43:14.860 --> 02:43:21.860
but it looks pretty compelling. And then ASUS is kind of the one to beat in the Windows handheld space right now.

02:43:21.860 --> 02:43:24.860
And the Ally X is pretty killer.

02:43:24.860 --> 02:43:29.860
And then, of course, you know, throwing another wrench into your decision

02:43:29.860 --> 02:43:32.860
is the fact that Nintendo announced the Switch 2 today. Yep.

02:43:32.860 --> 02:43:36.860
You know, gaming handheld. That's not a PC, but it'll be interesting.

02:43:36.860 --> 02:43:39.860
It'll be interesting. It'll be something. Okay.

02:43:39.860 --> 02:43:42.860
You know what else can throw a wrench into your life, Death Stranding on green man gaming.

02:43:42.860 --> 02:43:47.860
Hey. Hey. So I've been about 20 FPS over you the entire time here.

02:43:47.860 --> 02:43:50.860
Okay. And I'm in the water for some reason.

02:43:50.860 --> 02:43:53.860
NVIDIA skill issue. All right.

02:43:53.860 --> 02:43:56.860
So that's it. That's a win for NVIDIA and Death Stranding. I think so.

02:43:56.860 --> 02:43:59.860
Okay. I'll allow it. All right.

02:43:59.860 --> 02:44:03.860
To be clear, both of these cards run this game great. And I think that's a huge part of the story today.

02:44:03.860 --> 02:44:08.860
But if you can get Arc for anything resembling MSRP,

02:44:08.860 --> 02:44:11.860
it doesn't suck now. It's a viable option.

02:44:11.860 --> 02:44:14.860
Absolutely. Absolutely viable option.

02:44:14.860 --> 02:44:18.860
Like, I don't think there's been any game that after today,

02:44:18.860 --> 02:44:21.860
I'm like, man, you really just can't buy an Arc.

02:44:21.860 --> 02:44:24.860
It does work. Everything you try to work.

02:44:24.860 --> 02:44:27.860
Pretty cool. Except ray tracing and control.

02:44:27.860 --> 02:44:30.860
Okay. Yeah. The game still works though.

02:44:30.860 --> 02:44:33.860
But the game worked. You could absolutely play and enjoy the crap out of that game.

02:44:33.860 --> 02:44:36.860
You don't have to have ray tracing to be a gamer.

02:44:36.860 --> 02:44:42.860
Yeah. Man's Tenge brings up a good point in the chat that the

02:44:42.860 --> 02:44:45.860
accessory ecosystem for the various handhelds could be a factor

02:44:45.860 --> 02:44:51.860
in your decision. That's true. Like, again, you know, full disclosure, Dbrand is a long time

02:44:51.860 --> 02:44:56.860
and frequent sponsor of ours. But they have the grip case for both the Steam Deck

02:44:56.860 --> 02:45:00.860
and the Ally series. So that might be a factor.

02:45:00.860 --> 02:45:04.860
It's a really nice case. Oh, there's no game here.

02:45:04.860 --> 02:45:07.860
Are we done? We're done. We're done.

02:45:07.860 --> 02:45:10.860
All right. How many games did we do, Dan? Here, let's go check it.

02:45:10.860 --> 02:45:13.860
We did 31. You're ending your script here.

02:45:13.860 --> 02:45:16.860
Oh, sure. We did 31 games. Well, it's not 50.

02:45:16.860 --> 02:45:19.860
But I think that's more than we did last time. I think so. I think so.

02:45:19.860 --> 02:45:24.860
In this amount of time anyway. And only one of them had a bit of an issue.

02:45:24.860 --> 02:45:27.860
Yeah. Which was NVIDIA Bedrock. Sorry.

02:45:27.860 --> 02:45:30.860
Minecraft Bedrock RTX. All right.

02:45:30.860 --> 02:45:33.860
Frickin' A. Sick. Okay.

02:45:33.860 --> 02:45:39.860
So what's our final tally then, Dan? So our final time, we did 31 games, 15 for Team Green, 10 in a tie, and 6 for Team Blue.

02:45:39.860 --> 02:45:46.860
So that's roughly 48% for Team Green, 20% for Team Blue, and 33% of them were in a tie.

02:45:46.860 --> 02:45:53.860
However, with that said, we are talking straight up performance with absolutely nothing else

02:45:53.860 --> 02:45:58.860
factored in. So if we were to fire up yield, you know.

02:45:58.860 --> 02:46:03.860
Yield new egg? Yield new egg and go RTX 4060.

02:46:03.860 --> 02:46:07.860
I hate that all these cards are called the same thing with all the various amounts of

02:46:07.860 --> 02:46:18.860
VRAM and whatever. For 8 gig. So 8 gig, if we sort by low, oopsie doodles, sort by lowest price would be, oh, is that

02:46:18.860 --> 02:46:21.860
the exact, is that this? That's this. That's that card.

02:46:21.860 --> 02:46:24.860
Okay. So $300 US for this.

02:46:24.860 --> 02:46:27.860
Number one best seller. Yeah, that makes sense.

02:46:27.860 --> 02:46:30.860
And then. Five bucks off right now. Here you go.

02:46:30.860 --> 02:46:37.860
Arc B580. Did you get more around with the arc though?

02:46:37.860 --> 02:46:40.860
Yeah, but. Scroll down for the max someone. Oh, wait, wait.

02:46:40.860 --> 02:46:43.860
Hold on. I'm not sorting by lowest price. Oh.

02:46:43.860 --> 02:46:46.860
Wait. Wait, what?

02:46:46.860 --> 02:46:49.860
Is this an arc?

02:46:49.860 --> 02:46:52.860
Wow. And, oh, out of stock.

02:46:52.860 --> 02:46:55.860
I mean. It's an interesting bundle. That's a very interesting bundle.

02:46:55.860 --> 02:47:03.860
A 750 watt power supply. Is this a, a B580 and a 750 watt power supply would be a great deal if it was in stock.

02:47:03.860 --> 02:47:06.860
What is it? So in theory. Gunner.

02:47:06.860 --> 02:47:13.860
Arc's a great value. In practice today, this looks like a pretty clear win for Team Green.

02:47:13.860 --> 02:47:23.860
Yeah. Today. But Jordan's point about it having way less VRAM literally only 66% as much VRAM as the

02:47:23.860 --> 02:47:29.860
B580 is a potentially more important point for the future than it is today today.

02:47:29.860 --> 02:47:32.860
So that's something for you guys to consider. You should also consider.

02:47:32.860 --> 02:47:35.860
Do we say the price? It's on screen.

02:47:35.860 --> 02:47:39.860
We're not showing it. Oh, is Dan not showing it on screen? Oh, you're on a different lol.

02:47:39.860 --> 02:47:42.860
Oh, okay. Yeah. Dan is doing his own thing over there.

02:47:42.860 --> 02:47:45.860
Yeah, our arc cards are starting at 340 bucks.

02:47:45.860 --> 02:47:49.860
$40 more than the RTX 4060.

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02:48:24.860 --> 02:48:27.860
Sounds like a good deal.

02:48:27.860 --> 02:48:31.860
How long are you going to stare at Andy here? Until Dan tells me I'm clear.