There we go. Just reconnect. There we are.
Are we live? We should be. Well, someone didn't like what we were doing.
Just kidding. The men that live in my walls. No conspiracy theories here.
We have a 30 amp breaker on the set.
One of them, so 115 amp is for the top plug of every duplex.
And then another 15 amp breaker is for the bottom plug of every duplex.
We thought with modern LED lighting and everything, that would be plenty.
We may have thought wrong. We were never planning to have streaming machine,
four gaming rigs, also the two downloading rigs,
also having the entire set lit at the same time.
Whoopsie doodles. So we blew up the whole thing.
Let's continue, shall we? I mean, were we done with this was Apex?
We were over here. So we're going to head over there now, right?
You were playing BM and GB we were trying to.
This monitor's fighting me. Cool. Well, we're back.
Installing for time. Dan, please tell me you've got something for me.
I have no monitor here. Nice.
Let's see. Let's see.
ARX Fat Alice on the ArcGPU, also only one gig download.
I don't know what that means. It's a game recommendation. ARX Fat Alice.
And then. Did you say Fat Alice?
No, I did not. I think that's a completely different game.
And then we've got Heal Divir. What's the lines going? Hellbite.
Have you played that one? Have you started? These are just more game suggestions.
I've only had four merge messages. I'm so sorry. They're waiting for the release that's happening tomorrow,
I guess. Oh, man. OK, launch.
OK.
Oh, no, is this system not working?
Uh-oh. That would be embarrassing for Intel.
I see the fan spinning. That's something.
I'm living these monitors personally. Yeah, honestly.
Aging. Aging, definitely. Yes. They're older than the Linus.
You guys are getting some live troubleshooting now. OK, maybe I'll just hang out and chat then for a little bit.
Oh, boy. You've got to love it, man.
High Floatplane chat. OK, we use our jackery as a battery backup for the WAN Show.
We are not on the WAN Show set. We stream like this so rarely that we don't just
have like a dedicated giant battery backup for just
a random live stream. OK, oh, there we go.
Now we're good. Oh, xWar2 says, I don't think Merch messages are working, Dan.
Uh-huh. Based on chatter here.
That's strange. OK, I'll reach out. Have more than four of you.
Have more than four of you tried to send one.
Let the camera guy know the camera is glitching every time it moves.
Oh, man. I don't see it.
No. OK.
Well, oh, other people say camera is fine. OK, cool.
Buy an arc. Lux says mine was the Helldivers one.
Yeah, camera's fine. If you guys are waiting for the product release tomorrow,
by the way, you can just pick up a gift card today. I'm just letting you know.
If you do want to send a Merch message today. Bot04 says, I sent one.
It did not work. OK, I fix.
OK, Dan's working on it. Dan's working on it. I have a stupid question.
I have a stupid answer. OK. Very good.
If someone buys a gift card and sends it a Merch message today. Yes.
When they use that gift card tomorrow, can they send another Merch message in?
Why you got to expose the glitch like that? Fair enough.
I'm helping you guys out. Sorry. Jordan. Sorry, Linus.
What about second Merch message?
It doesn't violate the law of Merch messages. OK.
But it does violate the spirit. Don't make us close the loophole.
Don't spam us with Merch messages. Part of the reason for Merch messages
is that we're trying to reduce the sheer incredible volume
of messages that we can't possibly hope to respond to all of them.
So just turn on frame view there.
I'm working on it. Bloody hell, Jordan.
Can you just turn to help out, Linus? Can you tell my boys a gamer?
I found the flaw in the system. What do you want? PC console system.
He games it. OK, which side am I supposed to have mine on the left?
I'm doing top right. I was just messing around so I could see it better. Dan, for you, are they supposed to be next to each other
in your view? Sorry. Dan's doing his own thing over there.
I'm doing something else. Sorry. No worries. We're good. Let's go consistent back in. This is Team Minji.
That's how we were before. Shall we drive? Let's drive.
You know, credit to the team.
That was actually a pretty quick return to streaming. Not too bad.
You are crushing me in this game. Oh my goodness, yeah.
Dude. Oh, I just crushed my car, though. This is not close.
Poor little truck. Can you hit Y real quick here?
Y. I saw a dip down to five.
You saw a dip down to six. So that appears to be just a factor.
That appears to be an element of this game. That's just not that well-optimized.
So I'm driving down the street. Me too.
Living my best life here, getting 100 FPS, dipping to 90.
You're getting like 140. 140. OK. Dipping to like 110.
This is far enough off that I've.
Whoa, it's your CPU.
14? Is it 74? 14.
Oh, OK. Never mind. OK, cool. Yeah. The truck has a slight problem.
Yeah, my truck has some slight problems too. I just want to double check my settings,
because the last thing I want to do is give a huge W to NVIDIA here, if it's just
that the settings are different. Do you want to pop the options open up there?
Yeah, there we go. No.
Dude. Bunch of highs all the way down. Dude, it's the same.
Well, yeah, they're doing their jobs.
Wild. Yeah, am I just running in completely the wrong resolution?
Not even a little bit. Nope, this is a clear win for NVIDIA.
They look the same. It's just way better for him right here.
Wow. All right, what's next? OK. Actually, are we at the same house right now?
Can you rotate your camera? Because I've got some really glitchy shadows
on this house over here. I don't play this game a lot, so I don't really
know if that's just a characteristic of the game. Keep rotating.
Keep going. Keep going. There's a house down the road that I want to see.
I'm not there. There. Oh, yeah, that's glitched. OK.
Cool. You see this one right here? Yeah. Yeah, so it looks like that's just
a characteristic of this game. That's just the engineer. Because your grass shadows too are super glitchy.
Yeah, they're real. All right, clear win for NVIDIA.
Next, what do we got?
I've seen this before. What are we playing?
This looks like Skyrim. Oh, Skyrim. Modded Skyrim, apparently.
OK. Does someone want to talk about what mods we're playing with
at all here? Let me just fix HDMI 1 one second. Whoa.
This dead horse just appeared from the ether.
That may be more of a Skyrim issue than an arc battle issue.
I mean, the game's only 100 years old. What do you want? I don't have battle mage.
You don't have battle mage? Oh. Let me check the matrix for you.
Thank you. Nice.
Oh, Lordy. We're working on it, guys.
Dan, do you want to hit me with a merge message? No. Oh, no, camera frozen.
Also, cam froze. Oh, no. Why?
Oh, no. What did you do? OK. Hey.
You have arc one again? Not other cameras working. This one works.
You have arc? Cool. Quad-HT9. FPS reveal is going to be crazy.
Heck yeah, guys.
Man camera. I swear to you all, we had everything working perfectly
before we started. It was working before it went wrong. Yeah.
OK. Yeah, cool. Look at the man camera back. Yeah, that's good.
You have arc one? Working on it.
Hey, I should have been an accountant.
Audio is apparently working, so that's cool.
One out of 15. Cam's back. Cam's back. Yeah.
So Andy's good. But I don't have HDMI one.
Arc battle mage still bad? What a host to know.
I can tell you guys about it. Oh, can you check the monitor output?
Refresh rate? I just don't have an input for it.
I mean, I'm getting it from the matrix as well, so I should be fine. OK, OK.
I'm getting about 125 to 135 in my lows,
and my averages are around 150 as I'm just kind of walking
around and oh, wow. I dipped down as low as like 110 when the dragon went overhead.
Meanwhile, oh, this is really close.
I think this is going to be a win for NVIDIA, though. I am never seeing anything as high as 180, whereas on arc,
whereas on NVIDIA, I clearly am.
I'm also not seeing lows that are dipping as low. My lows are more like 135.
Oh, there was a 125 there. Oh, yeah, but it's at 110 over there
with the dragon flying overhead. OK, so where's my dragon at, though, on NVIDIA?
That's camera. OK, I'm just gaming on NVIDIA here
while these guys try and figure out what's broken in our chain here.
On the game stream. It's the bottom of the matrix.
We're just going to. The monitor is getting the feed from the matrix.
We're just going to cut all this out, maybe.
Should we just go in the YouTube editor and just cut this out?
What do you guys think? Play another game. I'm kind of feeling it.
No, no, I don't want to play another game yet. I'd rather just, can we just cut this out of the edit?
We want to see if this is the problem, if the game is a problem.
Oh, you want me to try another game. Oh, sure, I can do that.
I can just go to the desktop. How's desktop game sound?
Stop it. Settings. I'm at 1080p.
I'm at 60 Hertz, 8-bit.
Anything? No. RGB.
Dynamic refresh rate is off. You plugged.
No. Can we come back to Skyrim?
I can go back to Skyrim, yes, sir. He's not in Skyrim right now. He's on the desktop.
A different game, and then come back to Skyrim after. Oh.
After a whole dive or something. I can do that.
So why is my mouse not working?
Is that interesting at all? Does the mouse doesn't work?
Oh, it works on the desktop. Weird.
This is weird. OK. Do you want me to just give this computer the old rebootie boot?
Let me take a gander. Hang on a second, I want to see. Sure.
OK, it's unplugged. LMG got hit with an EMP, only explanation.
Right. Yeah, 100%. Because you mentioned Grand Theft Auto 6.
What's that? You mentioned Grand Theft Auto 6. Well, we shouldn't have done it.
We shouldn't have mentioned it. We shouldn't have done it. Nope.
All right.
All right, in theory, I sent a merge message, says Jax. Maybe I'll open up the dashboard.
Oh, no, if only I could remember the URL.
No, I think I got it. You'll be redirected shortly.
OK. I'm going to sign in, and then maybe I can just do some merge messages in the meantime
while we wait for us to get this resolved.
That shouldn't have impacted this. This is all white.
Nope. The dashboard is not working properly for me.
I'm having fun. This is fun.
Oh, sorry. Are we trying a new cable here, Jordan? Yep.
Cool.
Don't worry, our crack team is on it.
All right, that's back. OK. It's back?
Yeah. Oh, how exciting.
We back, Jordan? I think so. Let's go, buddy.
Let's go back. Heck yeah. OK.
I turned the wall. Skyrim, you won. Yay.
OK, let's move on. Sorry.
We had some stuff go on that I think we're going to need. OK.
OK. OK. OK.
Sorry. We had some stuff go on that I think we're going to cut from the vaude of this because,
frankly, it wasn't that entertaining. Let's move on.
I have no idea what this is. Helldivers.
Helldivers, OK. Here we go, boys. OK.
Frame view, I guess. Oh, this is rough. Wow.
Now, I am getting 95 FPS.
I am not. But as someone who has seen 95 FPS before.
This is rough. Hell you. This ain't it.
Watch this. What's wrong with your legs?
Is this game supposed to feel correct? This terrible?
I don't know. Oh, does it feel terrible for you, too?
Oh, yeah. It's garbage. Oh.
I've never played this. I don't know. Is this just a thing, you guys?
Does this game just suck? How dare you. Oh, we hit a nerve with Dan.
Because it does not. That's not very patriotic of you.
How do you run, Dan? This does not feel. Oh, I am running.
All right. Let me have a look. Someone says it's a bad map and it's just how it is sometimes.
That's, ooh, that's yikesy.
See how it feels. Okay. Oh, no, no, no.
No, no, no. It's so jello-y. No, no, no, no, no.
Okay. Is there an in-game setting that we have? Like your thread time.
All right. I am the Dan now. Something.
Try a different map. Go back to the ship. Render scale, native.
Camera shakes to, oh no, that shouldn't be it. Go back to the ship.
I don't know about you. Can I sync off? I mean, all of this looks fine.
Ultra. I guess I don't care.
Okay. Yeah. Let's go back to the ship alone.
Because the second I was watching Dan use it, I could see the problem.
It was almost like a, like a jello effect as he's moving around.
Super ugly. But some of you are saying that could be the map.
Some of you are saying it could be to do with the game's motion blur settings.
So in general, guys, kill any motion blur that you find.
Motion blur is terrible for in-game feel.
So where do I go?
I just hit a blind aim. Motion blur is cranked.
Okay. Okay. Let's run back and see if that fixes it.
Ew. Ew. That is nasty.
Nasty, Jess. Especially running at 140. Like our frame times are six milliseconds, which is great.
Blue. Let's just set it to low.
Okay. Graphic. Okay.
Hold on. Let me keep up with you here in terms of changes that we're making.
Is there a first, there's a first person view, right?
I don't think so. Oh really?
I don't know. Does it feel good? No, it really doesn't feel good.
Oh, now it's moving. Is that it? I doubt it.
Oh yeah. Is that it? Yeah, that's a lot better.
Oh, okay. All right. Good to know.
Why would you put that in your game?
Is that in gameplay or mouse and controller? Mouse and keyboard, mouse moving.
You feeling all right? You got the CES plague? No, I just have a coldish thing.
I mean, I'm like on day five, I'm probably not even contagious.
Better safe than safe. Okay.
So how do I, how do I go somewhere now?
Okay. I guess we have to pick a thing.
I don't really this game. So you'll, you'll have to help me pick the same thing as you.
That's fine. Galactic war. Super versus context.
Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Dismiss. Okay. And then I go there.
I go to the purple one. I guess we'll go to Amra. Yeah, sure.
Okay. And then find, I don't know, your health.
Yeah, just hit dismiss. Okay.
Look on the purple thing. You bet. That's highlighted.
Okay. All right. Let's go.
See if you can find a similar location to me. I'm not in the red area.
Okay. I'm on the planet. Let's go to Australia.
Yeah. Is this Australia? Oh, no, we can't go to Australia.
Okay. Let's go to New Zealand. It's going to pick a different one.
Okay. Cool. All right.
Let's see how it goes. I don't like computers.
That's pretty fair.
All right. Thanks, Dan. Bye.
See you later. Oh, man. Well, hey, I'm having fun.
Am I though?
Okay. What's the BGT benchmark for?
Oh, I'm ready. Oh, no.
Oh, is this how? Okay.
I have to, like, pick stuff. I don't know. Sure.
Whatever. I'm ready. All right.
I feel bad for my squad mates because I have no idea how to this game.
I have no idea what I'm doing wrong here.
Oh, you get ready. Yeah. You have to pick inventory items.
Okay. And then, yeah. And then.
And then it will drop you down. I've been kicked from the game.
That's probably fair. Yeah, that's fine.
That makes a ton of sense. Okay, cool.
Okay. I want to kick you too. Now there's some action.
So we can kind of see what to expect.
It's definitely better than it was before. We should not have had motion blur and mouse moving on.
I'm getting, like, a little high 120s. I would double check your settings.
Okay. Just make sure you're both on, like, whatever I did.
This is the ultra preset, I think. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah, because that looks too much more higher. Yeah, I'm on low now.
Yeah. Okay. So ultra preset.
Motion blur off. Yeah. Okay.
Perfect. Perfect. Wait, wait.
You've got a bunch of stuff that's still lowest. Okay, yeah, we're good. Okay, cool.
I hadn't applied yet. How are we looking? So around 60.
Oh, wow. A little bit higher for R. I think this might be a, I think this might be a tidy little W for Arc here.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not getting better than 60 really.
Interesting. I'm in the 70s, 80s.
I'm going to try and find some more dense foliage though.
Okay. You're in a different...
I have found some dense zombies. Area.
We are in a different... Wow, we're in a different...
The same planet. Environment. Like, he's fighting.
So if I fight something, maybe that'll help, but I don't know if I can actually...
Fight some fire. Can I fight anything, Dan, if I'm kicked from the game?
Oh, yeah, yeah, you're fine. Okay.
That wasn't very patriotic of them. I'll go try and find something to fight. Oh, are you dead already?
I'm a little bit dead. Okay. To be fair, you're not mad at us, so...
I would kick you as well. How do I find something to fight?
Shoot until they shoot back.
Thank you, Jordan.
Glad to help out.
I think I've seen enough to call this a win though.
All right. Win for Ark. Let's move on to our next game.
Are we ready? We're not ready. Yep, you're ready.
Oh, we are? Yep, place him. All right.
Let's go. Oh, just the board isn't refreshing.
That's all. Wolf... You want to hit reload on there?
WolfistWolf says, I am going to say 4060 has multiple players and is during the day that
will impact performance. Yes, that is very true.
I suspect not that much more though.
Okay, ready to fly. Here we go. Okay.
You appear to be in New York. Oh, we're still got Skyrim on here.
Is my controller supposed to be doing anything? Presumably a Vicky Fly.
Neat. Keep default. Hey, there we go.
Boom, that helps. Oh, wow.
This is not running great.
Also, I need frame view. I'm getting like 50 frames.
Okay. That is a bad camera angle. I don't know if I'm getting 50 here.
That didn't go well. Yeah, I am not getting 50 FPS.
How do I throttle up? Yes.
I need a bit more throttle. That ain't it.
That's the rudder. Okay. No, here we go.
I found that. A is throttle up. Okay, good.
Or maybe an X. I'm not sure. Where's my ailerons?
I flew RC planes a couple of times.
Okay, there we go. Okay, here we go, boys. Okay.
Oh, my goodness. Please tell me this isn't New York.
It is New York. Oh, God. Let's get that very badly for us.
Ah, we now know why merge messages are not working.
Oh, we're fixing merge messages. Heck yeah. No.
I thought maybe just nobody liked us anymore. Webhooks are down from Shopify.
Okay. Okay, so we may not be able to fix it.
No, we can't fix it. Hooray. This is a great day for tech.
Yay. Truly a great day for Canada and therefore the world.
Okay. How do we look in Jordan?
No. You are crushing me. Consistently high 50s.
You are crushing me in this game.
Oh, your CPU is crazy too. Dude, are you seeing my dips here, brother?
Like, I am getting dips that feel like 40 millisecond frame times.
Wow. Like, oh, maybe higher.
Maybe more like 60 actually thinking about it. Oh God.
I'm getting low, low frame times too, actually, but.
Sorry. Yeah, this is a very busy map.
This is not great. There's a lot of buildings to render.
But that's the whole point, right? Like, that's what we're trying to do.
We're trying to see what a bad scenario looks like.
I'm also in a very slow plane, but I can't fix that.
Man, I'm clearly going to need to log a lot more hours in this game
before we actually move forward with our tech plane.
Those who watch WAN Show will know.
What do you think, Jordan? Would that be pretty fun? Teching out a plane?
Would you be down? Who's our pilot?
Not me. Okay, then we're okay with this.
Yeah. As long as you stay out of the cockpit, we'll be okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm all about shuttle cocks, not cockpits.
All right. Slightly different.
Yeah, pretty different. We've got a cruise ship over here.
Okay. Oh. You know what?
Okay, hold on a second. Let's try and find kind of the same spot.
Okay, where's that cruise ship at? In the water.
What a dick! Here, I'll go to downtown Manhattan, Heliport.
Manhattan, Heliport. Okay.
How the devil am I supposed to find that, sir?
We'll go to South. How about we go to Central Park? Okay, fine.
Okay, because that's where I am. Oh, jeez, cheater.
Oh, Lordy. Okay. You gotta get to the altitude to figure out where I am here.
Okay, rudder. Bibbit. Bibbit, bit, bit, bit.
Oh, there we are. Okay. Ooh, I got a rainbow.
Okay, I want us both to kind of fly. Oh, you found the park?
I'm working on it, yeah. Oh, heck yeah, what a guy. Okay.
Oh, dude, you're two nautical miles away. You're playing so slow.
It's the same plane. It's mine. Because the altitude we're flying at is making a pretty big difference.
Oh, God. What did you just do?
Don't worry about it. All right. Oh, crap.
Pull up. Pull up. Darn it.
So, I'm at the park now.
How you doing? Not as good as that.
I think this is a clear win card video. Oh, 350 still, yeah.
In terms of performance, right? Pricing is obviously going to be a factor.
Yep. Park looks nice. Strong W, though.
Oh, hey, look, I started right above the park.
Hey. Oh, dude, how well did that work? Okay.
We're both at kind of opposite ends, but I'm going to try to get to a similar altitude to you.
So, I'm around, okay. I'm going to come down. I'm like 700 feet.
Oh, 700 feet? Cool. I'll come back up before I crash again.
Okay, around 700 feet. 58 FPS.
Yeah. You're like 20% better than me.
This is not close. Yep. All right.
I think we should move on to our next one.
I don't think we have a next one yet. You don't have the next one yet?
That makes sense. Are we just buying it? We are trying to.
Oh. Oh. Did you just need me to just give you a card?
Nope. Okay. We have bought it.
Oh, okay. Nice. Wow.
What a guy. No, no. You're doing great.
Dude, dude. No. I mean, look.
When I said 50 games, that was... Optimistic?
Very optimistic. Oh, my. We'll get to as many games as we can, and we're going to have a heck of a time doing it.
That's simple. George says, Reese, you're killing it.
Thanks, man. Hey, I didn't even crash the plane while I went to do that.
That's awesome. Don't stand behind the monitor, Linus.
It's taller than you. George says you're welcome.
This is my new role. I just act as the interpreter between chat and the people here.
Chat says something horribly toxic.
What they mean to say is, our weird parasocial relationship is probably unhealthy, and we
need to reflect on ourselves. Our weird parasocial... No, no, no.
Not you and me. There's with us. Just kidding.
Chat's actually been super wholesome today.
For now. Just teasing you guys. Cthulhu says, with merch messages broken, can I call them a scam?
No, because I can still chat. No, I think scam has to have an intent.
Does scam have to have an intent? It certainly has a connotation of an intent.
Oh, I've got 14 now. Oh, are they coming in?
I don't know. Let me just keep on top of it.
So, I'll let you know.
Okay, do you have one for me?
Yeah, let me read them.
I have some fun news that I can share.
For those of you who care about shuttle cocks like I do, Smash Champs got its new courts
delivered today. So, they are there right now being unloaded.
So, hopefully sometime in the next, let's say three weeks to a month, the whole thing
will actually be done. Maybe we could do another video update. I think we're still waiting on the city for some of the land stuff.
But my understanding is that Chase is moving forward full steam with the assumption that
we're going to get our temporary use permit figured out. So, whale land.
Whale land is hopefully going to be a thing.
What else can I do? Dan. I've got some for you now.
Hit me, Dan. I'm saving you. Thank goodness.
When are you going to make an LTT UK store?
An LTT? UK. United Kingdom.
Ah, UK store. Okay. So, this is one that obviously we've got a ton of feedback from people on.
Our, I'm trying to think actually, our second biggest viewer market is Europe for sure.
But is it the UK? Um, that's a good question that I'm not 100% sure of the answer yet.
I will look right now. Yes, it is. Our second biggest viewing block is the United Kingdom after the United States.
So, we're about 33% US, which used to be higher actually.
It used to be more like 40 plus. Um, now it's 33.
UK has grown a lot. We're at like 8% there.
Uh, 5.7% Canada. That's our home turf.
So, we're a little over represented in Canadian viewership.
But that kind of makes sense compared to population, I mean.
Uh, and then Germany actually.
Then India. Then Australia, Netherlands, Philippines, Sweden, Poland, and other.
Um, so, you guys are probably looking at that going, well, it's obvious.
You guys should have a UK store. The challenge is inventory.
Go on LTT Store right now. I dare you.
You don't have to buy anything. Just go to the store. And look at how many items are out of stock.
That's not because our team is just a bunch of incompetent jackals.
That's because our items are highly custom.
Even our blank shirts, our custom blank shirts manufactured just for us.
Um, very few of the things that we sell are just resold from some other
warehouser or distributor that we can quickly and easily order replenishment inventory from.
So what that means is that managing the supply chain is something that A,
we came into this with no experience with and we've had to learn a lot as we go.
And B, with the sheer volume of skews that we carry is really, really challenging.
Because you look at this and you see a shirt.
I look at this and I see three different colors of blanks.
Times, you multiply, you don't add, times six different sizes.
So now every, like shirt potentially, right?
Not everything has multiple color ways, but every, every shirt can easily be a dozen to a couple of dozen skews or stock keeping units.
And it's the same for basically anything. You look at these and you see some pretty cool cargo pants with magnetic flaps
and tons of great pockets for, you know, your phone or whatever else.
I look at them and I see a bunch of different sizes,
times a bunch of different inseam lengths potentially.
We are adding an inseam length to the cargo pants in our restock.
Times color ways, we're adding a navy blue at some point in the future.
So I look at it and I see 60 stock keeping units.
As you guys can probably imagine, some skews are a little more popular than others.
So your, your, your black shirt in medium is going to sell a little bit more than your, you know,
olive design in Kudruple XL or, you know, or, or, or extra small or whatever, right?
So those, those, those, those average, average user skews are going to sell a little bit better.
However, there are factors that you can't really predict.
Some styles, for instance, seem to really resonate with the, the big end tall crowd.
Whereas other styles seem to really resonate with the more petite crowd.
And it's, it's not always something that we could recognize the pattern in.
So keeping everything in stock across all variants and all sizes,
really, really, really, really flip in challenging, really difficult.
You want to play a game? Now we want to do that across an ocean.
So we need to make sure that when we get our, our order mix, right?
When it's perfect, we get our order split across our various warehouse locations, right?
And someday I want to, I want to very, very, very, very, very, very much.
But it is not this day. The other thing that I think people are not factoring in is I signed a quarter million
dollar check yesterday for our logistics company.
That is not an abnormal thing for me to do.
It's really, really, really expensive, storing inventory and having people staff,
having staff in a warehouse, picking, packing, shipping.
And because we have so many SKUs and so much of our stuff is so custom and unique,
there's, there's training required.
We can't just like, unless it's just like, ask you of the screwdriver.
Just throw it in some random 3PL and hope that their fulfillment accuracy is going to be decent.
So if we were to have another DC, the distribution center somewhere else,
well now that's overhead. I'm paying for it.
Like I'm paying for the storage regardless of whether we ship anything.
I'm paying for the training. I'm paying for the setup. Who do you think pays for it?
You. So right now, yeah, our shipping costs from the Canadian DC are really expensive in other regions.
And you have to pay for that.
But if we have a DC in another region and it adds a bunch of overhead,
you're going to pay for that too. So the difference may not be as much as you think is kind of where I'm going with this.
Like you look around at other like merch stores, you know, other YouTubers.
It is not uncommon for their t-shirts to be $35, $40.
Ours are 20. So yeah, you're going to pay $25 in shipping.
But like and not everything's like that.
Some of our stuff is quite premium and is priced on the higher side.
But I'm just saying there's this is not black and white.
And there's a lot more nuance to it than just Linus is too cheap to have a UK distribution center.
Okay. I got to see us two going for you.
Let's go. All right.
Where are we at in the map? Yep. Yes.
That's your answer. Wherever you started.
Okay. Cool. I'm heading towards getting dead.
Let's go. I'm heading towards, man, I haven't played.
This is Italy, right? I haven't played Italy since 1.6.
Banana B. Rush B. Oh.
What's that? Rush B. Okay.
I'm heading to B. Let's head to B. I don't know where that is.
Okay. So your highs are definitely more higher than mine.
Sorry guys. Y'all. Y'all.
A little bit. B is this way.
Okay. I'm in B. Maybe not as higher as I thought maybe they were.
The performance is definitely very different depending on where you are in this map.
So hanging around in B. This is about the lowest I've seen.
And I guess just because I'm looking down this range.
But I'm getting averages as low as like 135.
You know, I'm seeing dips to 100, more like 160, 150 a bit more commonly than that.
Mostly in the high 130s.
Interesting. Are you at B yet though? No.
It's very different depending where you are. I have not been able to get to B.
I mean, I believe in you brother. You got this.
You got this. I can't count that high.
I believe in you. You're going to get to B and it's going to be glorious.
And then I'm going to die or something. It's going to be awesome.
Do I still have any health? Am I still?
Oh yeah. So that's any health. Okay.
Okay. Here we go. I think this is inferno.
Oh inferno. Sorry. Thanks Chase.
I knew I could count on. Like 160, 170, but lows are like 80.
This is looking like it might be a win for me.
I think it might be. It's not a big one though.
It's really close. But my lows, 68 just there.
I think this is going to be a tie. This looks like a draw to me.
It's pretty close. What do you guys think? There's snow in the Floatplane chat.
What do you guys think? They want me to shoot the water.
I'm not convinced that's having a huge impact guys.
The water's right back apparently. Yeah.
Slight favor for Intel or tie? I think I'm going to go with tie on this one Dan.
It's close enough. Okay. Is our next one ready boys?
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Andy, do you just want to ditch the prompter for a little bit?
I feel like that would be nice for Andy to not have to deal with that.
Cool. Andy has an assistant to help him do that even.
Should we close this down and maybe you and I start launching another game over here while they fight with that?
All right. Is there a particular one that is next in the queue?
We could just fire up Horizon?
Forza? Okay, let's fire up Forza Horizon 5.
Cool. All right, Dan, do you have a merge message for me?
I'm having some issues with your mic. Horizon needs the Xbox logo and it's a pain in the butt.
Oh.
I thought you meant Zero Dawn. Oh, I could do Horizon Zero Dawn?
Okay. I love Horizon Zero Dawn. Yeah, I've got a...
Or I've got a merge message for you. Oh, there you go.
You got a merge message. All right. Hey, me, Dan.
Sure. Complete addition? Remastered, I would think.
Oh, yeah. Hello, LCT.
I have a 1080 non-TI and have upgraded every part of my PC except the GPU.
Would you suggest a 5090 or a used 4090 for someone who could afford it but is still very, very cheap?
I think I'd have a hard time recommending a 90 card.
I'm in a similar boat. Anything with a 90 at the end to anyone who describes themselves as super cheap.
Yeah. Me?
You know what? Let's play eBay Simulator.
All right.
I would hazard a guess that 3090s are probably starting to look kind of interesting.
RTX.
Nope. They are not looking especially interesting.
Wow, it is amazing.
When all the new cards are using AI Framegen in order to achieve more FPS, how the older cards that have the grunt...
You lost dollars, brother.
That's like 1,100 Canadian. Why not compared to the rest of these?
Yeah. The rest of them are auctions.
It's still too much.
If it was me and I was looking for bang for the buck, I have a 3080 in my daily driver gaming rig downstairs.
I almost never use my upstairs one for gaming anymore because I've been playing more games with my son.
So it's nice if we can sit next to each other.
Oh yeah, sure. I'll get it. Sorry, boys.
So I'm running a 3080 there. A 3080?
It still handles everything. However, if you're an affluent gamer who's just like, realistically, I am considering a 4090.
I don't know, dude. Yeah.
Or a 5090, rather. I don't know. Yeah, maybe just go 4090.
Here's the problem, though. Here's the problem. If you buy a 4090 today, you are buying last generation's technology at a price per frame that is pretty much equal to today's generation technology.
Yeah. I'm in a very similar place.
I'm on a 1080 Ti still because the upgrade is just not worth it.
It's too bloody much to upgrade. So my issue here is that because the 5090 looks like in terms of raw raster, sorry, I know too much to speculate,
there are rumors that the raw raster will be some amount more, right?
Yep. And it'll have better AI stuff and it'll have better ray tracing stuff and all that, which is super cool.
But because it's like a bit more and is priced a bit more, my concern is that 4090s aren't really going to drop in value that much.
No. I don't think they will for a long time.
So if I want to bang for the buck, that 3090 actually looks not bad.
Maybe going in and if you can swing a deal on a 4070 Super or Ti.
Or, I mean, look, I make okay money.
I'm going to treat myself. I'm buying a 5090.
Yeah. Is it a good deal? No.
Do I really want to give NVIDIA that money? Not really.
But yeah, sometimes you got to treat yourself.
Gaming is one of the things that I do to entertain myself.
And realistically, like, okay, here's an example.
Badminton shuttles, Feather shuttle cocks, have gone up in price faster than, I think they probably outpaced the S&P 500 last year.
Wow. Like if I had bought a million dollars worth of badminton shuttles, my investment, looking, I didn't.
But a tube of Yonex AS50s, I think it is, is like 70 plus Canadian dollars now.
My goodness. A few short years ago, they were like 35, 40.
So there's their skyrocketing.
And so I guess what I'm trying to say is I can play badminton for one evening between the court rental and between probably the half a dozen or so shuttles that I'm going to go through.
It's going to cost me like 50 bucks.
Yeah. If every time I gamed for a couple of hours, I put aside $50 for it, which I could amortize so, so much better.
Even if I spent money on a 5090. Like, like my, my, my, my entertainment per hour cost for gaming is actually not that high.
Even now. You didn't buy a building for gaming.
Oh, okay. Well, hypothetically, if I didn't buy a building for badminton, my, my cost per hour for badminton is really high.
And a lot of people have hobbies that have a really high per hour cost.
If you enjoy horseback riding, or you enjoy climbing, or you enjoy hang gliding, or you enjoy, sorry, track.
If you go to the track, um, if gaming is your thing, I'm not going to judge you for spending way too much money.
I will be frustrated that the value isn't there and that the prices don't fall the way that they used to.
That sucks. And like, I hate it. It sucks.
And that's why I had my silent protest and refused to switch to the 40 series.
Yeah. But like, I want a new GPU and gaming is one of the things I do.
Yeah. And so. Eventually you got to just do it.
I can't tell you what the right thing to do for you is.
Um, I'd love to hear chats, um, perspective.
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Seems like it's just kind of, yep, it is what it is. Okay.
What are we playing right now? Yep. I don't know what this is.
Monster Worlds apparently? Monster. Monster Hunter.
Monster Hunter Worlds. Ah. Worlds or Wilds?
Worlds. Worlds. Worlds is not yet.
Okay. Where are we going? Where are we going?
We're going to this little dot thing. Okay. Okay.
I'm going. I'm going. I'm going.
I'm with you. I'm with you brother. Okay.
What are we looking at? 105. Oh buddy.
Oh, I'm killing you. Oh my goodness. Yeah.
A little bit. Wow. Yeah.
That's significant. Okay. Hold on.
Hold on. Wait for me. Wait for me.
I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Okay.
Okay. We'll just walk in a straight line. Here we go.
All right. Let's go see some dinosaurs. All right.
He looks friendly. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. What could go wrong? Oh, this is such a clear win.
Once again, with Alchemist, any game that ran at all was kind of a win.
Yeah. Anything refused to run or have weird graphical glitches.
No, it just works. That's something, especially when you consider that this thing just came out.
And Alchemist, even toward the end, like there's still games with issues.
I am pretty stoked.
I'm actually really impressed so far, even if I think it's pretty much even with the 4060,
a card that realistically, like if we're all being honest, was very maligned at launch.
That's true. For not being a good value and for not being, not feeling worthy of the 60 class.
Yeah. That's very true.
Hmm. And it's also last gen.
We haven't seen what NVIDIA has in store for the 50 series 60 class card yet.
And there will almost certainly be something. Oh, definitely.
I mean, I say almost certainly because it's not like AMD makes new Ryzen 3s anymore, but...
No, that's true, but that's a weird choice that they've made.
I mean, I get it. If you can only get so many wafers and you can either make epics and sell them for $15,000.
Or those new AI chips. Or Ryzen 3s.
Yeah.
I get it. I get it.
I think we'll have to see what Intel does to fix the performance on the older CPUs.
I hope they can. I mean, I was talking about this with...
Oh, I don't remember who I was talking this about, but NVIDIA went through a similar thing.
I don't know if you remember this. This was back in like the, I want to say the 600 series days.
Okay. But they were under fire for poor optimization in their GPU driver, extremely high CPU utilization.
They acknowledged it. They were like, yeah, this isn't something that we can fix overnight.
Right. And then they worked on it and now it's better.
Yeah. So the fact that NVIDIA did it doesn't mean that Intel can do it necessarily.
No. But the fact that it evidently is something that could potentially be improved.
And the fact that Intel's driver team has shown themselves to be absolute wizards.
And very active. And very active on, you know, fixing issues that the community...
I mentioned they've gone through more than 50 revisions already for drivers.
Oh, for Arc overall. For Arc overall. Yeah.
No, that checks. Yeah. And there's been big improvements in some of them.
So I am always buy what it is.
Don't buy what it will be. But that doesn't mean that you should go like this, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la,
and ignore evidence that might suggest that something could improve in the future.
And I have seen evidence that would suggest that it will improve in the future.
Hey, we're two generations in. We're barely, barely even going at this point.
I'm just so happy. Why do they stick around? Dude, I'm just so happy that there's an option.
Yeah. Because AMD... We've needed it for so long.
As much as they kind of get put on this pedestal as like the good guys, they have been clearly,
very content to just follow NVIDIA's lead for pricing.
Definitely. Clearly. They're happy to do it.
They need the money. That's fair. So Elden Ring doesn't give you an ability to turn off V-Sync?
Oh. Oh. Okay.
Okay. I don't know if you guys heard that, but Rhys was telling us Elden Ring is trapping us with V-Sync
on, but realistically, oh my goodness.
First thing I got to just... Some of these lows are already kind of a deal breaker anyway.
I got to plug the Green Man Gaming webpage here.
Oh, Dan's bringing up Green Man Gaming.
Oh, for Monster Hunter World Iceborne. Oh, yeah.
That's one of the deals that we were promoting earlier. Sick. All right.
What freaking button is this? There we go. Okay.
That one. Elden Ring. How's your lows doing?
Like 24 from in a low spot.
Oh, interesting. Can we go fight this night, this golden night guy?
We're just coming out of the starting cave here, right?
Yeah. Okay. We're going to get our butts kicked probably.
Have you played this game? Never. Okay, cool.
Then we're going to get our butts kicked, but let's just head over there. Okay. You know what?
This is really close. I do... Oh, he saw me.
Man. I've had some really low dips, like in the 20s.
I just got one down to 30. Yeah, I've gotten to 24.
Is that... Oh, that was over. Don't think he likes me.
Have you gotten just like some nasty stutters though? Yeah.
Oops. Oh, I'm dead. That didn't take much.
Yeah, no. Like I said, we're going to get our butts kicked.
This guy is... He's a little bigger than me. Yeah.
Oh. Oh. How do I parry?
I don't know how to... This game. Well, I'm dead.
Hit a button until you don't die. Cool.
You died. How's your CPU looking?
Let me be undead first. Okay, that's fair.
Or rather be less dead. Not undead.
That's a different thing. Okay.
Stranded graveyard. Oh, lordy. Yeah, maybe we should try to die not quite as fast this next time.
I think you're going backwards in the Stranded Graveyard.
Yeah. How do we get out of here? Is it this...
Oh, there's the sparkly here. I think this is to do with something. I was going the right way.
Where are you? I don't know.
I don't think you're on the right way. I think you're going backwards. You're going the same way as me.
I know. That's because I'm following you. Well, that's stupid.
What are you thinking, man?
I think we're supposed to go up the stairs. Okay, it's very dark there.
Well, they figured this out. You can also pick up Elden Ring on Green Man.
The stairs chat says. Yeah, okay, cool. You're done selling games over there.
Oh, man. I'm doing your job. Good work, Dan.
Okay, are you getting some nasty stutters? Not right now, actually.
I definitely am.
Okay, is that just moving from area to area, though?
I'm going to see if I get any. Just doing, like, a consistent camera pan here.
I'm not finding the truth of that. Yeah, it seems fine when I'm not moving between areas.
Yeah. I think it could be just that.
How do I get out of here, you guys? I'm lost now.
I'm running in circles around the thing. Something to do with this pillar?
I mean, I think I've probably seen enough to call this.
We're very good at games. Maybe a win for NVIDIA.
Oh, pull the lever. Wrong lever!
Is it a lever? Oh, there.
Anyone who gets the reference enjoys it.
I think that Emperor's New Groove was, for many years, very underrated.
Oh, there. Oh, yeah. Very underrated, underappreciated movie.
Masterpiece.
Okay, I'm standing on a thing now. Yep, me too.
Hey, Peter.
Yep. Okay. Do I have to lever again and then jump on?
Oh, you step on the button in the middle, I think.
Oh, there we go. Okay. Needs to keen.
All right.
Oh, I think we're ready again. What just happened?
Oh, yeah. Are you both locked to 60? Yeah.
Yeah. It's because of the game, apparently. Oh, no.
They tied something to frame rate, didn't they? Yeah.
Oh, God. That was a pretty bad start. That was a yucky stutter.
Okay. I'm not going to hold that against the GPUs, then, because that seems to be more to do
with storage. Okay. Could be storage, could be CPU, but either way, it doesn't seem...
Very slow drivers of ours here. Well, see, that's the thing, right?
So it's got to be the game at that point. Okay, I'm going to the same vantage point that you're at with this lady here.
Look at the night down in the field down there. Yeah.
That's so close. Yeah.
And I feel like I was getting more stutters than you.
I'm just going to get pizza.
What the heck?
Okay. What's going on?
Let's move on. It's game time.
Are we at 50? Are we at 50 games yet? Oh, man.
I want to... I think I want to give the win to NVIDIA here.
Really? I was getting more stutters than you.
A little bit. Shader comp, though. It's raining here now.
I was getting more stutters. And...
Oh, man. This might be too close.
Chat says tie. Chat says tie.
Floatplane Chat says tie. They're right. It's a tie.
All right. Let's move on. Oh, we're Vikings.
We've all come here. All right.
Hey, let's play some Valheim.
Well, this is running great on me, on mine.
Yeah. Looking pretty good.
Time to go fight some deer or whatever.
I'm going to pick up this branch. Hey, I improved my run skill.
It's good because before I was all... And now I'm like, wow, let's go.
Okay. Where are you headed off to? Into the woods.
Okay. All right. So we're both headed off into the woods, which in Valheim can only go well.
Oh, yeah, totally.
Punch some trees here. Sure.
I'll punch a tree. Zero damage to that tree.
Oh boy. Thanks, Rhys. Okay.
So what are we looking at? Oh, wow. Like a hundred...
You are getting... look-reminated. Really?
Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. You're getting crushed, brother.
Uh-oh. I'm falling down a cliff now. That's not good.
It's not even close. Mind you, you've got a torch out. How do I get a torch?
Here, I'll turn off my torch. Okay. Yeah, that's not helping.
No, I didn't do much. I think this is a clear W for Intel Arc.
Orc. You're using like 10% more CPU all the time.
Oh, interesting. But it's not harming me.
No. It's not harming the gaming experience.
It's something for us to be aware of and something that we were talking about earlier.
We want to keep an eye on because there has been some discussion in the tech community
around ArcGPUs not performing as well on lesser CPUs.
Linus, do you want to zoom out the camera a bit before you...
Oh, yeah. That might be... Chat suggesting that could be a thing.
Or you praise it too much? Get it into a more meadowy area so there's no trees above you.
I can do that. Yep, I can do that. So anyway, not performing as well with lower-end CPUs is a bit of a downer for a value GPU.
So we went out of our way to choose systems that were not super overpowered.
We are running 12th Gen Core i5s and we told you guys earlier in the stream that we wanted to...
Still, even if Arc is performing better and it's not impacting it,
we wanted to make sure that we're keeping an eye on the CPU usage to see if it is a little bit higher,
maybe due to some kind of overhead in the Arc driver.
Okay, so here's a more open area. Do you want to just go back up to where the stones are in the spawn location?
Sure.
Running great.
Like it's not that close. 120?
170. Yeah. That's ridiculous.
I don't know what to tell you guys. Arc is just crushing this game.
Somebody on the Intel team really likes Valheim.
Yeah, maybe. You know, it's funny.
I think people often forget the human elements of things.
It is entirely possible that someone whose job it is to work on Arc
and who takes their job really seriously is a bring-your-work-home kind of person who's like,
dang it, maybe not on my primary machine, but on my secondary machine anyway.
I'm rocking Arc day in, day out. Cannot play freaking Valheim.
And going in and getting that done. Yeah.
That is very realistic. 100% realistic.
And there's nothing wrong with that. Like if someone, say for example, who worked at Linus Media Group,
were to wear LMG, LTT cargo pants, say for instance.
For instance. Are you wearing socks and sandals? Yeah.
Are you memeing or is that just a thing?
My man. Looking good.
Or you know the hat and they were to find something wrong with it.
Yeah. I would be grateful if they came in to work.
I had a problem with my hat and got it, brought it in and tore it apart and figured it out.
We love that kind of stuff. So if an Intel Arc driver software engineer is like, hey, I love this game.
I can't play it on my stupid test bench or my card at home or whatever.
Let's make it work. Yeah, that's totally realistic. Yeah.
The demo says not a cult.
No, my sandals are better than his.
Okay. Hey, let's go.
I mean, realistically, either of these cards is going to be fine.
Going to be fine. Are we frame walk to like 200 or so?
240. Okay. Wow.
So it actually doesn't.
It can't do above 200 in this game.
Oh, wow. Oh, dude.
Where are you? You're still in base. Okay.
I'm coming back to the base.
Arc is crushing this one again.
Oh, wait, maybe not. Or the same. No, no, the basis.
It looks like the basis actually pretty late. Yeah.
Okay. So let's see if we can find somewhere heavier. Maybe let's go fight some creeps.
CPU is about the same. Okay.
Yeah. Let's go fight creeps. Are you taking the bottom?
I could not tell you. Or the mid. Where are you at?
Where are you at, brother? I don't know. I don't play this.
Where are you at, brother? Okay. I'm going middle.
Where's my guy? There he is. All right.
Here we go.
Please tell me this is just like a practice match, right? I hope so.
Guys, this is just like practice with bots, right?
Ranked competitive, obviously. I mean, you never know with you guys, you know?
Every once in a while, the team will like drop me in an actual thing.
And I'm like, yo, okay.
And sometimes it, sometimes there's no choice. Sometimes you're kind of stuck with it.
Huh. We got people saying tie. Tie.
Are you in the middle? Middleish, yeah. A little bit north.
Okay. Go right to the middle. Let's fight some creeps.
Right in the middle of the water here. And we'll get as much of an apples to apples as we can.
We're going to say map together or no?
No. Shouldn't be. 150-ish.
Yeah. You got my beat there. Dang it, Jordan.
Are you dead? A little bit. Yeah.
Okay. I thought so. But then you're just still there for a while.
Yep. That makes sense. I was just hanging out.
Yep. That makes sense. Tie or arc W, people are saying.
People are calling it closer to tie. And that kind of checks out for me.
I think you've got like 5%. Your CPU is 10% higher again, though.
A lot of the time. And your GPU is higher. Yeah.
I think it's higher. I think it's higher. Yeah.
I think it's higher. I think it's higher. I think it's higher.
And your GPU is higher actually too.
Your GPU is at 60, I'm at 34.
Interesting. So does that mean it's able to push more frames to it?
My CPU is consistently higher. I'm not even cracking 40 on GPU.
My CPU could be higher. So if our FPS is not the same, my CPU could be running higher because it just is not GPU
bound. Yeah. So that's something to consider as well.
Because we can only really directly compare the CPU usage when our frame rates are also
the same and therefore our GPU is giving our CPU enough headroom to push the FPS up.
Okay. So are you, has your guy back to the middle?
He died again, but he's still, we'll get back there in a minute.
Okay. I'm still in the middle looking. I want to call this one kind of, I'm going to lead this one to you guys.
This one's up to you guys. Let's run over to the next systems.
Oh wait, are they still there? No, they're still there. Okay.
Dan, hit me with a merge message. Oh, here you go. FPchat says mostly tie.
Yeah. Okay. A lot of them are saying arc, but...
It kind of depends on how you evaluate that CPU usage.
It's very narrow. I think I would call this one a tie personally.
Good. But if the arc is cheaper, then that's an arc W.
But that just kind of depends on pricing in the market.
What are we paying for a 4060 right now? Well, see, here's the thing.
One of the things we've been criticized for many times in the past is not looking at pricing
outside of the North American market.
So in Europe, for instance, I had a lot of people messaging me saying, hey, arc, arc B580
is like not a good value here at all.
Like the pricing is completely out to lunch.
Okay. So that's a major factor that people have got to consider is where the pricing is in your region.
That's why it's so hard for us to just wrap up our review and say, okay, here's the one
to buy. And it's one of the reasons that we try not to focus too much on pricing in our reviews.
We try to focus on, here's the feature set.
Here's the performance. Here's the caveats. Here's the math.
Here's how the value looks today.
But we don't know what it's going to look like in the future. And we don't know what it's going to look like in your region.
So we have to be willing to do a little bit of the legwork for us or for yourself really.
Okay, Dan, hit me. Sure. Good afternoon, Seabass.
What is one mobile device industry trend that you initially disliked or hated that you have now come to love?
PS, please take the FW16 into consideration for future LTT bag designs.
Okay. We do take the Framework 16 into consideration.
We consider it and understand that it is a really weird shaped laptop with the GPU hump coming out of the back of it.
And that we can't design a product like the commuter backpack around the Framework 16.
This is a sleek design for someone who's got their Macbook and their tablet or their, you know, Flow X13.
It's a back dragon. Dell XPS. Excuse me, Dell.
Oh. Dell. Is it Pro Plus now?
No, no, no. Dell Premium. Premium.
I believe. No. Dell, yeah.
Oh, Dell. Dell Premium Max. Dell Premium Plus.
Crap. I even made the video on it. Is it Premium Plus or Cracker?
Whatever. XPS.
This is not for like, I need my gigantic gaming laptop and my like network Wi-Fi analyzer, you know, thing.
And I need all this and I need all that. It's, it's slick, you know.
So we'll consider it, but that won't necessarily mean that our products will be compatible with it.
It's a pretty, it's kind of a weird change. It's an outlier.
Yeah. As for the rest of your merge message, what was it again?
Dan, do you remember what it was? I'm looking for it.
Sorry. Sorry. He's already moved on.
What's one mobile device industry trend?
Mobile device trend. Okay. One that I have, one that I've come to hate less is the bullet wound as I used to call it in the screen.
Or excuse me, the dynamic island.
Yeah. However, I was watching a movie on this the other day and I was like, this is awful because
I either give up like a whole whack ton on my screen or I have a whole in my content,
which to me is completely unacceptable. No.
Just devil's advocate, what's happening in that little square that's not important to
the movie? It doesn't matter. It's immersion breaking.
I agree with you. I'm just saying. Okay.
What if I took your glasses? Yeah. And I just put a like black dot on them on the side.
Okay. You win this round. All right.
Would you like that? No.
Not so much. Ask for something that I didn't like that I have come to love.
I mean, there's a reason that I still like carry my note nine.
It's an unhealthy addiction. I have, I've come to love my wireless headphones.
Yeah. But I would still prefer to have the choice.
Yeah, definitely. Like a long flight. If I'm on a flight for eight hours, I actually don't want to have to carry two pairs of
AirPods with me so that I can hot swap them.
You know, I want to just put in my, my nice noise isolating, not canceling my nice noise
isolating in ears and go to sleep.
Dan's showing off his headphone port. Yeah.
Yeah. I'm having more either. It's very sad.
Oh, I should check. It just upgraded to Android 15. Maybe we have access to switch the button around.
What? I'm just checking. I'm checking now.
Let's find out. This is important. I'm checking now.
This is interesting. I recently did my switch to iPhone, which you can see I lazily have not bothered to
unswitch from yet. I am going to.
But one of the comments that we got on that video a lot was people wanted to, they wanted
to see what the perspective would be like for Apple users switching over to Android,
like fresh, fresh, fresh. And I was reminded of this because one of the people who's going to be doing it happens
to be the camera operator who is holding that camera right now.
So we actually recruited three people from around the office who have never Android.
Oh, iPhone for life.
And we are making them a very generous trade offer.
You get Android phone of your choice.
I get your iPhone and you use the Android phone for a month.
So we're going to follow their journey and it's going to be really cool.
I think it's going to be really fun. No.
Fucking sign. I'm upset.
Just get it together. Just make it so I can move the thing.
I want an Xperia. I want an Xperia phone.
They are not giving me the option.
What game is this? Oh, this is that game that was like super underrated.
This looks like Warframe. Oh, wait. Never mind.
It's not. Use your power now.
What is my power? What button do I press to use my power?
Okay, controller. Here we go. There's only some...
Oh, okay. Hold right button and press A.
Blah, blah.
Ah, blah, blah. Okay, wasn't there another thing that I was able to press?
What was the other thing I pressed? Oh, I mean, what about just right button?
Just right button seems to work. Why do I need to hold it and press A?
Oh, that's a much stronger attack. I see.
Oh, wait. I'm supposed to be looking at FPS. Okay, where are you at?
I'm not in the ring. You take off, brother. You just take off.
You wouldn't let me go in the building. You just take off sometimes, you know?
Oh, it's not letting me leave the building. Well, that's interesting.
Do I just have to... Oh, find a melee weapon in the marked cache.
Oh, okay, it's letting me in. I have a weapon. Okay.
This is what I'm talking about. Okay, hold on. Wait for me.
I just started with a weapon. I don't know what to tell you, man.
What? Oh, all right, fine.
I'll allow it. Come back to the building. Okay, want to come back to the cache?
Okay, X to pick up the bow. I'm right there.
All right, how are we looking? 165, 70.
167, 166. 177.
Your 1% lows look a touch on the very similar side to mine.
Okay. Wow, this is really close.
What's your CPU at? My CPU is sitting at 21.
You're being followed. Oh. Quite a bit higher then.
Yeah. Interesting. We both have the rain, so it's not that.
Yeah, that is... I don't have any enemies anywhere though, so maybe...
And in this case, both our averages and our low FPS is so similar that I would say this
is pretty apples to apples. This is high, I think.
If I am drawing way more CPU usage, I don't think that's enough for me to call it a win
for the 4060 because clearly our gaming experiences are darn near identical,
but it's something to keep in mind. If you have a 12th gen i3 instead of an i5, or if you're running a 10th gen,
you might want to watch out for this.
Okay, very cool. Should we move on?
I think they're ready. That was quick. All right, let's go.
What do we got here? Dan, you logged that one as a tie, right?
Yep. Okay. What are we looking at?
I have no idea. A snow runner?
Yeah, excuse me. All right, here we go.
Is this a request? Are we on the requests now?
Heck yeah, cool. That was what I wanted.
Okay, I don't know. I am moving now though, so neat.
How do I control the... Oh, controller. Why don't we go...
Is this not controller? No, I'm using the last.
Okay. I am stuck in the mud.
Is that this game? Just get better. Like, is that just kind of this game?
Here we go. I made it out of the mud. Is that a thing?
Yeah, put your lockers on. Your what? Your lockers.
Your differential lockers. Your differential lockers. That's Q, apparently.
It's always on. Winch connected.
That's not going to help. I am stuck in the mud. So here's what I'm going to do.
You should get better at driving. Oh, dang it. Oh, you're...
Jordan, you're taking off without me again. Oh boy, I got stuck now.
Jordan, we got to be apples to apples.
Well, your apples too slow. Okay.
Differential lock. Where's the... Oh, no, I...
Dang it. Okay. Handbrake.
What's this? I don't know what this is. How do I reverse?
Always on. Okay. What's this?
How do I differential lock? It's always on, it said.
It was E for me. E?
Oh. I'll be... I'll be...
Always on. Where's the tow truck? I think I'm just stuck, you guys.
Yeah, me too. I don't think I can move at all anymore.
Yeah, I can change truck. Oh, wait, wait.
Hold on. Am I moving? I'm not moving.
I'm going to restart. Okay, me too. Okay.
Restart trial. Yeah, I'm sure I want to restart it.
Calm down. If you also want to get stuck in the mud like Linus,
you can pick this up from... He's my hero after all, you know.
Okay. All right, we ready? Okay, here we go.
What do you got right at the start here? Oh, dang it, Jordan.
160. Oh, Henry. I'm kicking your ass.
Oh, wow. Oh, my God. Oh, wow.
It's not even close. Yeah, this is a clear NVIDIA win.
CPU is the same. NVIDIA W. You're using less GPU though.
Yeah, but I'm also getting less GPU. Well, you're getting nothing for it.
Yeah. Go towards that hammer and circle thing.
And turn out to suck this time.
Hey, who got stuck last time? You.
And? Me later. All right, I'm going to make it.
I'm going to make it, buddy. Don't even worry, dog.
Okay, which way? We're going to the right of the sickle? Sure.
All right. Let's go. Oh, what I hit.
What even is this? Oh, it's a rock. I mean, yeah, that makes sense.
So is it like timed? Like, what is the point of this game? I don't know what this game is.
Does anyone, this game? Is this like farming simulator, but for.
The Ladder over simulator?
It's like an off-road trucking simulator, maybe.
I think, I think Luke's dad is super into it or something.
Why don't you get through the water? Because I assume that's the plan.
I assume you have to get through the water, right? I'm going to go around the water.
Stupid. There's an airplane over here. Stupid.
And a house. Uh-oh. Oh, that's not good.
Oh, no, we're okay. We're okay.
Oh, it's a helicopter. You guys would not do very well.
Is there water inside the cabin? An apocalypse.
I think there's water in the cab. Oh, this is our life now.
Yeah. Okay. So that's where I am.
150 frames. Oh, yeah. Mr.
Why are you driving in the water? The water found me.
This guy. Do you normally drive through the water in your cars?
You should call him Jordan hypocrisy. I almost made it out.
Hypocrisy Jordan. I'm still moving. I'm still moving.
Are you, though? Well, if I move the camera, it looks like I'm moving.
Oh, that's true. That does kind of work.
Look, guys, I'm moving. I'm moving forward.
Hold on. Am I moving forward? I might actually be moving a little bit.
How do you use the wind? Dude, I'm moving.
I'm going to make it. Ha. Attach winch.
Ah. So can you winch yourself out of places?
I mean, theoretically, you could with a winch, right?
Like. I would assume. Dude, check this out.
Check this out. You're getting out of that?
I'm getting out of it. Let's go. Let's go.
Just lean on the gas. I mean, it doesn't matter that the engine's intaking water.
You know, water combustion engine.
It's a good combo. Hey, Dan, you want to hit me with a merge message?
Sure. Let's see what we got here.
Hello. Greetings from Lithuania. Thanks for early stream.
Any plans or ideas to make WAN Show a bit earlier as well?
In the EU, WAN starts typically at 2 to 3 a.m.
A bit late to enjoy the show. Cheers.
We'd love to, but I got to be real with you.
If Yvonne, after all these years, hasn't won the battle to making WAN Show earlier,
as much as I love my Euro friends who are watching the show,
I don't love them as much as I love my wife. And so it probably isn't going to be the factor to push it over the edge.
Oh, now my engine has a problem. It's hilarious.
Oh no. Oh boy. Dude, I'm out.
I'm out and I am moving.
Ha. Ha. I mean, I don't know where the meeting point is always behind me.
This is kind of fun. There we go. I figured out the winch.
I'm doing good now. Yeah, we'd love to though. It actually works a lot better for my day and my week to do it earlier,
but the challenge is just that we have other stuff to film and...
Hey, we're free. Even if our intention is to do early WAN Show,
it just often doesn't work out that way.
Oh wow. My engine is making black smoke.
That's good, right? Oh yeah. It's working.
Okay. Next game. Here we go.
Dan, you want to hit me with another? Absolutely.
What emerging tech excites you the most
and how will this affect personal computers in the coming years?
Thanks for the screwdriver and I'm excited for shirts that will survive my laundry habits.
Nice. We love that here.
Emerging tech. I mean, if I didn't say AR, right, like that would be a lie.
AR is super exciting. Unfortunately, a lot of the things that excite me most about AR
are kind of the creepiest things. Okay.
Like, I'm the kind of person who has a really hard time with names and faces at things like trade shows
and industry events.
So what I want is AR glasses that facial-recognize people
and give me their stats, you know? Who are they, where do they work, how many kids do they have,
and that can be from my own notes or whatever, right? Or realistically, in the future, we're heading into it.
It won't be. It'll pull their Facebook profile or whatever.
Okay, these controls are not good, whatever's happening.
Oh, buddy.
What is happening right now? I don't know. The controls are weird.
Whoa. This is War Thunder, by the way.
What am I doing here? Okay, there we go.
Keep working. Most is a little better.
What? Oh, you're in here. Oh, I get it.
I think I understand the controls. It follows the circle.
I can't say it's my favorite thing, but it's something.
I'm going to go. Okay. Oh, yeah, keyboard mouse.
Let's go. How do I fire?
Space? Shift? Most.
Seriously? Most one. Oh, my gun's jammed.
Well, you should fix that. Oh, hi.
Whoa, that was close, buddy.
Were we both trying?
I almost had you. Can we collide in the air?
Is that thing you can do in this game?
Oh, I lost him. Where'd he go?
Is there friendly fire?
Well, we're in a team. That's unfortunate. Are you being hit?
Maybe. Kind of looks like it.
I'm going to get him. I'm going to get him, guys.
I'm so going to get him. Wait. Well, unless the ground gets him first.
Dang it. Come on.
I'm closing. I'm closing. I'm closing.
Always be closing.
What the hell are you? Don't worry about it.
Do you guys know who won SnowRunner?
Who won it? Yeah. Here we go.
Here we go. No, I got him. I got him.
I got me. Damn. Yeah, I'm okay.
Yeah, I clipped my own tail. I saw the pieces in the air and I was like, oh, they're pieces of him.
Which card? Who won SnowRunner? They weren't.
Thanks, Chat. Last game. Chat knows.
NVIDIA. Thank you, Chat. Thanks, Chat.
I'm going to jump. We got distracted. Back into the battle here.
Okay. Destroy the enemy planes. Oh crap, my engine stopped working.
How's our... Make it go. Oh my goodness.
This is... This is not good. Buddy, this is not even close.
Let me go land and live in France for the rest of the war.
You're in a firefight. I got no engine. And getting like 25% more FPS than me.
And I'm way out here at a distance. This is not good.
I'm coming to rescue you. Thank you. You're 2.6 kilometers away.
All right. How do I throttle up? I don't know.
Cool. Did you manage to land it?
Yeah. Heck yeah. Hit a tree.
Okay. Okay. 12 seconds.
He's going to come help me over here. Incoming. Here we go.
Okay. Can you see the gunfire? Can you see the gunfire hitting the ground?
Yeah. Yeah. Hit that truck in front of me.
He's coming to get me. I'm not sure where you jerk. What are you going to do about it?
Bam! Next game. All right.
Next game. Who won that? Oh you.
I did. Okay. Oh dude, not even close.
Okay. Yeah. So far.
When people are asking who won SnowRunner, I thought they meant like which of us got farther in the object.
Oh. I'm sorry. Yeah.
Now I got confused for a second here. All right.
But can it run minecraft?
This is Java, right? Yeah. Is it modded?
No. No? Okay.
Okay. So obviously. Our way.
Did you guys intentionally pick the same seed? Yeah. Okay.
So are we both. Oh we're both in the same place. Oh look at that.
Look at that. How convenient. Okay.
Oh my goodness. Yeah.
Not close. No contest. I mean, to be clear, 500, 600 FPS that I'm getting.
Good enough. I suppose it's acceptable.
No. It's not good enough. Literally double the FPS.
I mean, I wouldn't say no to it. Oh yeah.
And either of you got coil wine? Chat's asking.
Coil wine. I mean that's going to come down more to the design of the individual board.
And less down to the, like the GPU die.
So, but I'm not making any out.
It is a good question when you're running a game with extremely high FPS sometimes though.
But I'm getting none on either of these particular cards.
But. It's a lottery too, right? Yeah.
Just because we have none on these cards. You could buy the exact same one and.
We've got a couple of CRTs out there. We could make really wine if you want.
Who is the board partner for this one anyway? Eyecraft is a.
That's Max on. Oh, okay.
That's actually kind of a good looking card.
That's kind of like iPod vibes. So, um, double space.
And then let's fly toward this island.
Okay. Okay. We going?
Which one was that? Okay. There.
Okay. You're so far ahead of me again. Okay.
So is there any like, yeah, no, this just isn't close.
At all. Like four, uh, it dropped up to like 100 now and then, but.
Yeah. No, my lows are much lower.
My mat. My averages are much. Average are digging underground.
Sure. Down we go. Yeah.
Still 800. My 100. Interesting.
My 1% low. Oh no. Yeah.
This is terrible compared to you. Crazy. Yep.
You win. Wow. Sick.
I mean, this is at least going smoother than last time.
Are we testing more games at more games per hour than before?
No. If we have been live.
If we ignore the whole, the whole lost power in the middle of the stream bit.
Dan, do you want to hit me with a merge message to stall for time?
Oh no, they're done. Let's go. Great job guys.
Heck yeah. We are averaging one game every five minutes.
Okay. Not so bad. It's blue.
It might be ratchet and clank.
Yes. All right. It does appear to be ratchet and clank.
Man, this is a pretty game.
Okay. This is actually a really good spot to stand and just move around a little bit.
You're winning. Yeah.
Like seriously winning.
A little bit. Wow. Okay.
I mean, you know, winning like 12%, but like we were talking about earlier.
Hey, 12, you know, five bucks is five bucks.
You know, exactly. I don't say no to five bucks.
Motion blur looks like it's on though. It does though.
Can we, let's lose the motion blur maybe. Let's just make sure we're running at the same settings here.
I don't see any motion blur here.
Okay. Yeah. It might just be, it might just be blocked off.
Oh, try graphics.
I don't, I don't see any. Oh, motion blur strength.
There we go. Wow. There it is.
Big yikes. Okay. Back.
There we go.
71. Now this feels like. Hope onto that guy and get the axe thing there and see if it is the same.
Oh, I dipped to as low as 56 now.
50 there, but as I drift across here.
You're still 20, 30 above me. Yep.
This is pretty clearly running better on arc.
Yep. I'm getting kind of nasty tearing.
Oh, so are you? Yeah, me too. Let's just the game.
This might just be one of those games where the sink is worth it.
We can't, we can't use variable refresh rate.
Variable refresh rate would be ideal because there would be less of a latency penalty,
but because we're using an HDMI matrix that is not compatible with that,
we're stuck with 60 Hertz. So we're relying on, we're flying on scopes with frame view.
All right. Let's move on. That's a win for arc.
All right. Let's start running total for arc versus NVIDIA.
Yeah. Again?
I thought arc had the lead. I kind of thought it did too.
Maybe I'm just like, so impressed it doesn't totally suck.
Yeah. So arc, arc five, NVIDIA eight.
Wow. This, is this still Java, but just like modded to high hell?
Oh, this is bedrock RTX.
Okay. So, okay. Hold on.
I'm going to try and get to where you are. I'm going to this little watery thing. Okay.
Hold on. Hold on. Yeah.
Okay. Put down a little bit.
Okay. Yeah. Okay.
So right around. Whoa.
Okay. So arc doesn't like Minecraft very much.
Well, or Minecraft doesn't like arc. One of them doesn't like the other and it's mutual.
Yeah. That's wild.
Man. Minecraft. Okay.
You can hate on bedrock all you want. And you should.
But the RTX version looks.
Oh, wow. It got so much better inside the frame.
Pretty cool. That is very awesome playable.
This is playable. You know? Yeah.
It's a big difference. And when you're dipping down to 30, 40 FPS, you can feel the latency.
I really don't like the look of bedrock though.
Like I said, you can hate on it all you want.
Yeah. And that's valid. We don't talk about bedrock.
Pretty much. We don't talk about bedrock. We don't talk about Minecraft even.
Ray tracing. Going into the water.
A lot less impressive with the ray traced lighting.
It's nice. Yeah. It's almost too gloomy though.
Yeah. Like the thing about the real world is that a lot of the time it's like kind of dazzling
and hard to look at and like it's hard to say things.
It's just foggy outside here. Yeah.
And it crafts some sunglasses.
Like two obsidian and some stone or something?
I don't even know.
Hello, dragon.
Some glass and like turtle shell maybe? Yeah.
What's our next? Dan, do you want to hit me with a merge message? Yeah, sure.
Let's see what we have here. Hello.
Got the water bottles a while back and love them.
Any plans on making an insulated coffee mug? Would love to get some insulated cups of mugs with LTT bottle quality.
See you tomorrow during win. We'd love to.
It just hasn't been a priority.
You know, you got a limited team size.
Everyone can only work on so many things at once.
And that isn't one of them right now.
I don't think we have any other vessels in development right now.
I actually brought it up at merch meeting on Wednesday yesterday.
Yesterday. Yeah, because Kyle made an offhand comment about some plastic that we were going to use
for some other product and how it's very similar in composition to Nalgene water bottles.
And I was like, hey, whatever happened to that project where we were going to do clear water bottles like a Nalgene?
And the answer was, yeah, we haven't looked at that in years.
And I was like, okay. Yep, duly noted then.
That's kind of what I thought. But now I know for sure.
I'm going to go fight this bear.
It's a cow. Well, I'm going to fight it anyway.
You have a slightly better chance against a cow than a bear.
You know, if a cow was not enough, I think it could do some damage, man.
Probably.
I think if a cow really thought its life was in danger and wanted to take you out,
I think you're done.
I'm going to take out a pig.
Have you ever considered using a controller duplexer slash mirror to make these tests more accurate
instead of having two different people? I thought about that too late.
And in most games, it won't even necessarily work.
It's not like that would work in...
No, you'll get random AI in a week.
So it just creates the illusion of repeatability, which in some ways is actually worse.
At least looking at this, knowing that it's flawed and meeting the flaws head-on
is acknowledging the truth of the situation,
which is that this is not a perfectly scientific test and never will be.
How are you doing over there, Rhys?
The video card is just thinking it's downloading something.
Sure. All right, Dan, hit me. Okey-doke.
Are we going to see some RTX 50 series and AMD Ryzen 9000 X3D overclocking videos?
Man.
I was about to say, I don't remember the last time we did an overclocking video.
But I do. What was it? The last time we did an overclocking video, I think it was 12th Gen.
And Asrock or somebody had a board that unlocked the locked processors.
And so we made a video about overclocking the snot out of it,
and it being a way better value and on Intel's locking down of overclocking capabilities over the years.
Honestly, I thought it was a pretty interesting piece.
Nobody cares.
And so I think that was the last time I kind of tried to talk about overclocking.
I mean, realistically, it comes more down to undervolting these days.
We've done bits of like extreme cooling overclock things up.
Long time ago. And I mean, realistically, Alex was the one driving those.
I've always been kind of okay, yeah, and when it comes to things like liquid nitrogen overclocking.
Yeah. Because it's, like, I could even get behind something like a multi-stage, like cascade, like Direction Die, like AC.
What are they called again? Just a phase change cooler. Yeah, like just like a phase change CPU cooler.
Like I remember back in the day on extreme systems and stuff, there'd be guys with these wild three-phase, like bring your CPU down to minus 80 degrees, daily driver systems and stuff.
And they're woefully impractical.
Who was that had the immersion case at CES?
Or was it Montt? Oh, I think it's Thermaltake. Was it?
Yeah, I think Thermaltake. It's pretty interesting to do a video version. Bringing back immersion.
Oh, there's no way we don't do a video on that. Oh, we did a sponsor for the Montt. Yeah, last way end show.
Yeah, 100% we're doing a video on that. But the thing about like dry ice and liquid nitrogen is I just look at it and I go like, okay, there is literally no conceivable way that you are daily driving that.
You're not daily driving it. You're doing it.
One time. It's costing you, you know, $50 every half hour or whatever in liquid nitrogen to run this thing.
I don't know what the actual numbers are, but it's a lot.
And with liquid helium, which is what they use for some of the really extreme benchmark runs, it's way higher, way higher.
So I'm just looking at this going like, you know, the world's running out of helium too.
It doesn't look great. It's just kind of silliness to me.
I don't really get it. Like it's cool.
And the really nerdy, I want to see things go fast part of me is like, that is so cool.
But from a consumer standpoint, which is where I try to align myself, who cares?
It's utterly irrelevant.
Like it's basically if like, it's like if Intel and AMD CEOs got out on stage and compared like the size of their sex characteristics.
It's that relevant to how good their products are for the average consumer.
It just doesn't matter. So I don't know.
So I just haven't really gotten into it. I could, I could see us potentially looking at trying to squeeze more out of the 9800X3D for an upcoming piece that we have.
We want to try to do. Remember, we did the 500 FPS gaming PC back when who was it?
ASUS launched their 500 Hertz monitor. Yeah.
So I was kind of thinking now that monitor refresh rates are getting up above 700 for some of the exotic ones out there.
And now that we've got the 5090, it'd be kind of cool to kick it up a notch and do the 1000 FPS gaming PC.
So we'll just turn it off.
Okay. And to reach that, we might need to overclock 9800X3D, but I don't know how much more we're going to get out of it.
So ray tracing is off. For some reason, Intel is kind of glitching, which sort of makes this a loss for Intel, even if the performance is equal.
I should be able to, I should be able to turn a setting on in the game.
Just so that you guys can see it. So you, so you believe us, we're going to go ahead and go through here.
We'll make it full screen for extra transparency.
Yep. Ray tracing, he no go on.
It's locked. Requires a DX12 and graphics card with support for DXR API.
I thought it did support DXR.
Hmm. The thing about, okay, the thing about ray tracing though is like HDR, there are standards, but there are also custom proprietary aspects to some implementations that can make them not work properly.
Not theoretically, like, that's the, that's like the Microsoft DirectX one, but I don't know what to tell you guys.
It's pretty even other than that. It's pretty even other than that.
But I think you're going to get the win because of the ray tracing.
My lows are a little lower maybe, but. No, mine, mine dipped.
A little bit. Mine dipped a little bit as well too, I want to say.
Or was I looking at you? I mean, yeah, there, mine just dipped to 90.
Okay. CPU is the same.
So, like, tie apart from ray tracing. Yeah, so I got to give the slight edge.
It's a matter of. Want to go talk to the janitor? Where'd he go?
Was that? It's amazing how good, like, rasterized lighting looks too.
Yeah. That looks really good to me.
You can, you can pre-bake a lot.
I'm actually getting a lot lower FPS in the chat here.
Me too though. Okay. I would still, I'd still call this a tie until you try to turn on ray tracing and until it falls flat.
And that can be something to fix next week. You never know.
You never know, but they haven't yet. They haven't yet, so it doesn't count.
Let me see if chat has any thoughts on whether there's a way to.
Someone says try opening the game again. Sure.
I'll give it a shot. Okay guys.
Nope, Dan's had enough of us. See you later, Dan.
Nice knowing you.
So what do you think? The next one of these, we have three systems and four helpers pre-loading.
Do you think that would put the timing about right? We have to hire some more people.
Resmit, kill us.
We blow another circuit? Yeah.
Bring in some power generation.
Alright. It would be nice to do all three, but that's what?
Three more hard drives? Oh yeah, no offense to AMD.
These aren't cheap. But they're not a major factor in the GPU market.
Neither is Intel for that matter, but the Intel question is a more interesting one because.
They're exciting and new. For better or for worse, AMD's cards just like kind of work.
It's not that they don't work. It's just that people don't. Yeah.
Intel's been hit or miss so far, so.
There's also a suggestion of launch parameters. Okay.
The thing is though. I'm not doing that. That's not the test today.
The test today is I'm random Joe Gamer.
I launched the game. That's it.
Oh, I am. I am trying relaunching the game.
I think that is a reasonable enough troubleshooting step for random Joe Gamer.
And I still can't turn it on. So let's call this edging out a win for Team NVIDIA.
Winning on technicality.
Don't fall, Andy. Alright. What are we looking at next?
AOE 2. AOE 2. Let's go.
Wow. Oh my goodness. This brings you back.
Okay. Okay. Man, what am I supposed to be doing here?
What's this buddy? Joan the maid. Is she like a special unit?
Like do I have to fight these guys? Do I have to rescue them?
How do you... Oh, not the... No, WSD.
That's just sticking around. Okay. I never really AOE 2'd.
I AOE 1'd. But never like competitively or anything.
It's smaller. But two.
I'm getting 287. Wow.
Can you win in here? Am I winning?
Am I winning? Go through the first little battlements there.
I'm super down to win. Oh no.
I dipped down a little. I dipped down a little.
Man, you know what I've been playing with my son recently?
This seems like the kind of game that there is a chance that you would appreciate.
Okay. Lords of the Realm 2.
Like DOS era kind of? Yeah.
Oh my goodness. Did you ever play Lords of the Realm 2?
I don't think I played it. It's still fun.
Yeah? It's still fun. The graphics suck.
Like even this looks great by comparison.
Is it like EGA graphics? Dude.
I don't remember what EGA is. I think it's 640 by 480.
30 color? Oh, I think he would be lucky to have 30 colors in Lords of the Realm 2.
No, I think it is. I think it's about that.
Okay. Yeah, no, it's still fun.
It turns out a good game is a good game. It really is.
Stay back, lest we be caught in the crossfire.
This looks like a win for me. Not by much.
But I think it is. But this looks like an arc win.
My GPU use is half of yours. Yeah, my lows are not really any better than yours though.
Mine are half. I'm at 40% GPU a year at 100.
That's interesting. Does that mean we're both CPU bottlenecked?
Maybe we're both CPU bottlenecked then.
I could see that. Because you look at our usage, we're both around 25%.
And this is an old game, even if it's like a remaster or whatever.
We might just be maxing out our one core.
That's probably what it is. Okay.
And everything I assume is just cranged.
It is on the game, but yeah. Okay, so let's call this one, I would say it's more fair to call this one a tie then.
People are saying arc W. Guys, I don't know.
I don't know. Zoom out, Marty. Zoom out.
No, I can't. Oh, you could.
I'm all the way out. Sorry.
Oh, it might be arc W.
Panning around. Maybe pan around.
115. When I pan.
Well, you get when you pan. Oh.
145. My lows are 150.
I don't know, guys. I think this is a tie.
Yeah. Yeah, chat's changing to tie. Okay.
Okay. Oh, Rhys is still there.
Okay, Dan, hit me. Oh, Gidok.
Now, when you become a TV star, Linus, when will you cameo in a movie?
Also, what's your favorite tech movie? Weren't you in a movie one time?
I don't remember. More than once? No.
No? Your official word? Yeah.
Okay. Okay. Okay.
When you like the star of what's it called?
Mission Impossible? Sure. I would love to.
Tallest home cruise. If there's any casting agents watching, I don't need to be paid for it.
I don't care. I don't really need the money.
To be clear, I'm not trying to scab or anything here.
Like if someone else needs the work, I'm also more than happy for them to have the work
or if the right thing to do is for them to pay me.
I don't want to navigate the politics wrong here.
I don't need the money, but I would absolutely have a blast.
Just like playing the techie nephew who is fixing a computer in the background or whatever.
I don't need a speaking part or anything like that. I don't care.
Not for nothing, but you're a little over the nephew now. I just think I could be an elderly lady's nephew.
All right. Smart guy.
But yeah, I'd be super down. That'd be super fun.
I did maybe film something at some point.
Maybe. I don't know if it'll ever see the light of day.
I can't talk about it. Maybe it will.
Maybe it won't. It'd be super cool if it did. I don't know if it'll be a good movie or not, whatever.
But yeah, I'd love to. I think it'd be fun.
I'm not a great actor or anything, but if you just put me on camera doing what I do,
like if you just put a broken computer on the set,
and you're just like, okay, you just have to be in the background fixing it.
You can do that. Easy.
Easy. No problem. In fact, one of the things that really helped me settle in on tonight's show was
for figuring out the screen sharing for the demos.
Yeah. They had really good ideas for how to do it.
Yeah. They were like, hey, can we put our heads together and see if there's some other ideas?
Right. And that made me feel so much more comfortable the second I was working on something.
Yeah. This is normal now. Yeah.
Everything's fine. One of our writing team events where we get together once in a while, departmentally,
just so that we don't only ever see each other at work.
It's optional. One of our writing team events, though, I went, I ended up spending most of the time
diagnosing Jake's VR setup or something like that because that's what I'm most comfortable
doing anyway. It's not that I don't like the writing team or it's not that I don't like socializing
with them or whatever. It's just that it's my comfort zone.
So I just tend to gravitate toward just fixing a computer if all else is equal.
That's the thing that I'll find my way to.
Dan, I think you got to stall for a little bit more time here.
Okey dokey.
Let's see. Are you happy with the current generation of GPUs?
Battle Mage, Blackwell, our DNA4?
I mean, we're kind of finding that out right now.
I don't really know for 50 series yet, so.
I'm pretty happy with how Battle Mage is done today.
We're throwing some pretty random titles at it. A lot of it's really mainstream, Normie, but.
Even when it's losing, it's working. Yeah.
And it's not like being totally blown into the water. And even though there's some some scalpage going on, at least we know that there's a
strong intent to make it affordable and we can have some hope that it will get affordable
once supply eases up a little bit. And they'll keep making it.
50 series? It's tough.
The only one I've been hands-on with so far is the 5090.
And I have only, and that is a $2,000 GPU.
So like, who cares if it's good?
Yeah, yeah. Nicholas Ploof cares if it's good.
The one guy. And for everyone else, it's like, what relevance does this have?
Like it's cool to look at and we're going to make lots of videos.
Gaming at 8K and overclocking it and shunt modding it for maximum power.
Like we're going to water cool it. Like we're going to do all this.
We'll do all the things. Because it's fun and it's cool and we love this stuff, right?
But what relevance does it have to most people?
In most of the world, $2,000 to spend that on anything but a vehicle.
Unhinged. You guys ready?
Yeah. All right, let's go.
And that's a perspective that we have to try to not lose even if we love the tech and
we love playing with it and think it's fun.
I believe this is Borderlands Game of the Year Enhanced Edition.
Borderlands Game of the Year Enhanced. It's really the most sensitivity edition.
Man, I did not enjoy this game.
I really tried to like it because my crew was into it.
Same. But I just couldn't really get over the whole, it's just Diablo.
Diablo and the menu has really annoyed me for some reason.
I don't remember that far back well enough to know if the menu was good or bad.
I don't know where I'm supposed to go right now. Oh, right.
Follow the little dude. If you also want to know if the menus are bad, you can pick it up on Green Gang Gaming.
Whoa, buddy. I guess it's on sale. Wow, it's like, is that $9?
To access the map. It's on Green Gang Gaming for $9.
$9? Yeah. 71% off or something?
I don't know. I knew it being a shill. Who cares?
Dan, did you say that out loud? Like, was your mic on?
Yeah, I don't know. Fight or don't. Green Gang Gaming.
Gaming. Shout out Green Gang Gaming. Let's go.
Dan's having his own separate conversation with the viewers.
And when you buy this game on Green Gang Gaming, you may want to consider running it on an
NVIDIA GPU. What's the delta? A lot.
Oh, wow. Yep. Like two thirds.
Oh my goodness. Not that close. Oh, it's like double.
Yep. 200 to 400, it looks like. With that said, I'm running it 200 FPS.
So clearly. I mean, it's fine. It's fine.
Oh my goodness.
Die already. Okay, there we go.
Do you know how to sprint in this game?
Yeah. Shift. Is my keyboard broken?
Oh, it's just really crappy sprinting. Okay.
It's not that much faster. It's more bouncing around than sprinting.
Oh, you can't strafe while you're sprinting.
Okay. Hold on. Are you going to the waypoint?
Yeah. Yeah, probably. Gosh darn it, Jordan.
All right, I'm going to try and get to wherever you are.
Because there was a, yeah, like you're not running any higher than me right now.
Oh, I'm moving directly away from the waypoint.
Sick. Where is the waypoint? Oh, it's on the map.
Hold tab.
Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And you know what?
This is 250 FPS. This is running great on R.
Yeah.
But Jordan's seeing as high as like 350, 400.
I had 491 point, I think. That's a little greater.
Dan, hit me.
Sure. Linus, are you willing to do a non-DGPU build with that new AMD CPU?
Give it everything you can to help. Fastest memory SSD to see if it's viable.
Then go over the cost to make sense versus a DGPU.
I can tell you right now the performance will make sense.
And I can tell you right now the cost is very unlikely to make sense.
I think that it is probably a very low volume product for AMD.
We're talking about Ryzen AI Max Plus.
So the one that I checked out in that ROG Z-Series gaming tablet thing.
Like gaming surface.
Flow Z13. Flow Z13. That's the one.
Thanks, Andy. Yeah, it's so cool. It's an incredible looking chip.
The performance that we were getting out of just 80 watts blew my flipping mind.
Did you check out that video? I did. Yeah, it was awesome.
So cool. And when I was in the AMD booth the next day or I think two days later, I was in the AMD
booth and they showed me an HP notebook that was running the same chip but at a lower power
envelope. So it was at 60 watts, which I have heard.
I'm not going to attribute this to anyone. I have heard it's probably about the sweet spot for the chip.
Okay. So this like seriously not that much chunkier than my Snapdragon.
Really? A little bit. A little bit.
And denser. Like heavier. But very compact machine running that chip at 60 watts.
Just like slays AAA games.
Yeah. Medium settings. 1080p.
But still. Still on chip. Yeah.
That's crazy. The thing is though, like we've seen time and time again that mobile chips, mobile performance
chips are not price competitive in the desktop.
And you see this when you look at just like anything from Mini's form, right?
They're great. They're cool little machines. In fact, I think we've even got one running over here.
Yeah. We've got to cut. Speak of the devil.
Got a couple of Mini's forms over here. So convenient. They're great for all kinds of things and they have a value beyond just price to performance.
Their price to performance isn't it.
All right. Seriously? Fortnite?
Apparently. All right. Let's do it.
Let's play some Fortnite. I found out recently that my son is like really good at Fortnite.
Oh yeah? Yeah. He's like actually a gamer.
Well, it's good. Go figure. It's too bad it's Fortnite.
You mean X son? It's too bad it's Fortnite.
You mean X son? For what it's worth.
Guys, cousins into it though. Oh, okay. So they've been playing.
That's cool. All right.
Here we go. Wow. Wow.
I find that match so much more easily than you. At least you better. I guess you should get good scrub.
I don't know. We'll see. Oh boy.
Time to prepare some shaders for a bit. Oh no.
We're good. We're good. That didn't take that long.
Here we go. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm going to build. I'm going to run.
Okay. Should we try to land in approximately the same spot? Oh wow.
That's a beautiful dream. Where are you dropping boys?
I'm connecting. That's pretty good.
Battle bus launching in nine seconds, six seconds.
Here we go. Here we go. Here we go.
Preparing shaders. Nice. That's mostly CPU though.
Why aren't they duoing? Oh yeah. We probably should have done that.
We need to set aside an afternoon for someone to go through all of our benchmarking accounts.
And make sure they're all friends on Steam.
They're all friends. They're in the family now. Are they all?
Yeah, because we're sharing games between things. They're not friends. They're not friends.
They're not friends. Okay. We need to make sure they're all friends on Epic and Steam and Origin and all the various...
Okay, so where should I go? I don't know.
How do you fortnite? Dude, do I look like I know that?
Sammy, are you a fortniter? Okay, I'm going to go to the castle on the right.
See this one? Castle in the very... Okay.
Okay. Tilted towers. And I'm going to take my sweep time falling.
I have a diamond pony? This is my thing?
Okay, I'm going to glide down as slow as I can. So hopefully you can catch up to me.
Am I still above it? Oh lordy. I don't even know where I am anymore.
Okay, yes I do. Oh!
Okay, diamond pony is back. Oh shoot. I keep pressing space.
I want to hold space to glide, but it's not right.
Okay. Where are you heading? No, no, you got to dive more.
Yeah, you got to skydive so you can get there faster. Yeah.
Apparently its name is Butt Stallion.
Butt Stallion? I don't need to know that.
That is not a necessary thing for me to know. No, you do.
Where are you heading? Well, I thought I was going to the castle over there. Okay, okay, are you heading to that house there?
I don't know. No, no, you're not going to make it to the castle. Okay, that house on the right.
All right. Okay, deploy your glider and head to that.
Okay, I'm coming too. Kind of by that orange bridge.
Oh, am I going to be able to get there?
Okay, I'm taking my diamond pony there. Just try not to die.
No promises. Okay.
I just want us to be in approximately the same spot on the map.
Wait, where are you landing? Oh, you missed it brother.
Okay, are you in this house down here? No, no, I'm coming, I'm coming.
I'll come to that house. I'll come to that house. Where are we at?
Geez. Oh, we better not die right away.
Okay, okay, I'm coming, I'm coming.
These look pretty even. They're both getting around 75.
Why is my... Come on, diamond pony, get to the ground.
How do I... Hurry up. How do I get off the pony?
Get P for pony. I don't know.
Okay, is anyone around here? No, I think I'm good, I'm safe. Okay, where are you at?
I'm in the building. Okay, are you in the one that you landed next to?
Yes, sir. Okay, here, here, here. Okay, so we're in the TV, watching TV?
Yeah. Okay, what are we looking at? Oh, wow, it's a dead heat.
Yeah. Whoa, that is...
Wow, that is really close.
You could tell me right now that we are on the exact same system
and I'd be like, yep, I believe you.
Okay, so let's come out and let's go down this path here.
Where are you at? I have no idea.
Okay, oh yeah, okay. So I'm facing the same rock as you.
Let's go to the right. Here we go. And let's just run down the path here.
Alright. 77, 76, 77, 78, 80.
76. Oh, you're running. Okay, 75.
Pretty even. It is possible that my averages are a little lower.
It looks like they are a little lower.
Your 1%'s are a little lower. My 1%'s have been sometimes higher though
and sometimes a little lower.
I think this might be a slight win for NVIDIA,
but it's so close that I would be hesitant
to declare it a clear victory.
It's really close. We've drifted off each other a little bit here.
I was getting shot at. Oh, that makes sense.
Okay. Yeah. Alright, next game's ready.
Let's go.
Yeah, chat declares it to be a tie. Alright.
Oh, we're benchmarking here. Alright.
1, 2, 3, start. You okay?
1, 2, 3. Here we go, boys.
I believe this is the Final Fantasy 14 benchmark?
Indeed. Yes. Okay.
You can tell by the Moodle. It's loaded a little faster. I just have a tiny screen.
I think I win. Oh, come on.
We're not measuring loading time. Although, it was a lot faster for you.
Hard drive? Hmm. Maybe they're not in Drive.
Okay, here we go.
I'm at like 230, 220 with this guy's face in the way.
Okay, I'll remember that spot.
Oh, 260. Hold on.
Come on. Oh, dang.
Okay. Ten lower? Yeah, this looks like it might be a loss for me.
We'll see.
It looks like I dipped off less when I came off of that though.
If we look at the FPS chart below. Oh, no, maybe about the same.
Let's see how this load goes here. Let me hide your face because we've got score bottom left.
Yeah.
I think you dropped off a little less there. I'm trying.
Yeah, I think my highs are less high.
You're a little more even. But my lows might be a little less low, yeah.
I'm a little more jagged, I think.
You heard it here first. Jordan, he's a jagged guy.
A little bit jagged. Jagged.
Okay.
I don't know what to make of this one so far.
Relatively even, but... I'm willing to bet my spike here is not as spiky as yours was.
You're a little bit above me right now, actually.
Yeah, see, it's a smaller spike here.
This is that spike.
Yeah.
Is that a good spike or a bad spike? I think I might win this.
Is that a frame rate or what do we look at here, even? Frame rate.
Okay. Yeah. I think I might win this.
You're certainly more consistent. Yeah, NVIDIA isn't full screen.
Does that matter? It shouldn't matter, but...
Oh, boy.
No!
I have brought shame to my family. I'll restart it.
Do it in full screen.
All tighter? That's what I did. Womp, womp.
Yeah, I don't know. It might just be confusingly added.
What's the CPU? We're running a 12-gen i5.
Let's try it again here.
Settings.
Presuming you're on that, but who knows?
Oh, 12,600K. It happens to be in the screen cap right now.
No, there you go. Our Queen and NVIDIA can't full screen.
No, no, no. It can, it can. Okay, well, maybe what we'll do is...
We'll come back to this one. ...let these guys wrap, and then we'll come back
and we'll revisit the benchmark scores. Or Dan can interrupt us...
Yeah. ...when Jordan completes.
And then we'll get a conclusion to this.
Yep. Okay, how's it buddy?
Okay, the performance is the same. It's the same as it was before.
Window doesn't seem to matter as much as it used to.
Oh yeah, man. Dudelike and Counter-Strike. The latency running in window mode in the old days, yeah.
I think that's... I'm showing my age too, thinking window mode is worse.
This is a very cool benchmark. I've never actually run it.
It hasn't really come up for me.
It does a really good job of showing a lot of different environments.
Yep. Lots of characters, lots of different models.
Yeah, very cool. It's a pretty good looking game for how we'll do this.
Man, you can pick out a Final Fantasy character from like a thousand miles away, though,
just from their outfit. Yep.
Any messages there, Dan? Yeah, I got some rich messages.
Yeah, hit me. Question for Linus.
Do you think Intel will be able to keep up with the next couple of generations
with the same performance increase as this generation,
or will NVIDIA and AMD outpace them?
I think everyone is bumping up against the same limitations right now.
A lot of our performance improvements over the years
have come from just being able to build smaller transistors
and pack more of them in, and that's not happening the same way anymore.
It's always happening. It's happening at an extremely high cost,
and if Intel gets their fab stuff figured out,
then they may be able to gain a cost advantage,
even if it's not a huge technology advantage compared to everyone else who has to pay the TSMC tax.
But as it is now, if you want to look,
if you go high enough up the chain for why everything is so flip and expensive,
you've got to go all the way past NVIDIA to TSMC and ASML,
who are developing the tools to build these new dies,
and who are, if the industry Scuttlebutt is to be believed,
at least a major contributor to the costs
being much higher for companies like NVIDIA and AMD,
and right now Intel, because from my understanding,
and I am 99.9% sure of this,
but I've made mistakes before, but BattleMage is built on TSMC,
not in Intel's own fabs. The reason I'm hedging is because
maybe there's a little sub die or something like that
that's built by Intel, but I'm pretty sure it's 100% TSMC.
This is not your score here. 9.3, 17,000.
So they are impacted by all the same industry forces
as AMD or NVIDIA are the fabless companies.
Okay, so that's my score.
And let's go ahead and move on to our next game. Let's finish up yet.
Yeah, I guess you guys are not able to do anything for the moment.
Just give it a minute to finish there. What are we playing here?
Looks spooky. Left for dead maybe?
No. Did you just say left for dead? No, not left for dead. Resident Evil.
Resident Evil 2, here we go. Left for dead, what the hell?
Okay, where are we at? We're looking at the blue dumpster.
Okay, we're looking at the car.
It is indeed a car.
That is a car. It's very foggy in here.
That's a fogged up thing to say. No.
Okay, three. Oh man, this is really close.
Yeah. Okay.
Your minimums look a little more consistent, sir.
You're a little higher on CPU, but your GPU is lower.
Okay, I'm coming around the back of the car.
That's one thing that's very consistent is the NVIDIA GPU is always at like 97% or more utilization.
It's just always being fully utilized.
I actually don't know what game this is. What is it?
Resident Evil 2, thank you.
Oh, I saw a really low dip in your 1% lows there to 120.
Oh my. I'm not the only one seeing that then.
Okay. Okay. Pull up the rain here a little bit.
This really looks like a tie to me, you guys. I think so.
We've got some people in the chat saying that the rendering on the jacket looks really different.
I can't say that I agree with that, you guys.
If you guys hold it still right there, let me just bring up a couple frames.
This is the B550.
That looks pretty similar to me. It's the same to me, you guys.
I can't say that I see a difference there.
No, I think that might just be... The lighting is the same.
Oh, someone said it was before one of us stepped out into the rain.
Oh. Yeah, okay.
So if we go undercover, does our jacket dry off?
Yeah, that makes sense. Man, I hated it when this was the strategy for hair.
Yeah. This just like...
The clump? No, not the clump.
This weird noise. Oh.
Yeah, see in the back here. Yeah, it looks really stupid.
It looks like a rendering error.
Really bad transparency artifacting.
Yeah. And when it's combined with doing the same thing on the shadow.
To be clear, I'm not blaming ARC for this. No.
Yeah, that was a yucky time in hair rendering.
And I'm glad we've moved past it now.
All right, is that score done? The score is done, yeah.
All right, let's get over and have a look. Who won?
Resident Evil. I'm calling this one a tie. Okay.
Here we go. Whoa, buddy.
Yeah. Now, do they give us any more detail on this?
Or is that it? Just a score?
That appears to be it. Looks like it's just a score.
Well, that seems like a pretty clear win. I suppose so.
So that's it. Okay. All right.
Needs a keen. While they're getting another one started, is there one that you guys would like us to fire up over here?
Oh, Farming Simulator 22? I don't know which one.
Oh, we got it. Sorry, NVIDIA won that one?
Yeah. Okay, well, I can just buy a copy.
Should I just buy a copy? What?
Yeah, okay. So purchase.
Nice. Okay.
And you zoom in on the credit card here for us.
$40. That's why we're...
Just give them a minute to get a green man to get it. We have...
Green man gave us a gift card. Oh, green man.
Just give them time. Oh, okay. Let's let them...
Do a merge message or two. You'll be fine. Okay, Dan, hit me with a merge message.
Okey-dokey. I'm... Sorry?
I'm Happy Arc, a 770 gamer.
Is it worth upgrading to Battle Mage,
or should I try and wait until Celestial or Druid?
Well, the thing about Battle Mage is that they didn't do a 700 series GPU.
They didn't even try to build a top of the line. And maybe that's because when they tried to build a top of the line
last time around, because Intel's nomenclature, right?
And then they introduced the i5, i7, and then they introduced 9 later.
So the idea was that Arc 770 was supposed to be
not 9, but 7.
And realistically, it ended up more like 3.
So this time around, they're aiming at 5
and ending up a lot closer to low 5, high 3.
I understand that. I think that if B580 and B570
were in the same time around, it would be realistic for Celestial
to come in with a broader range of products.
I don't think that Intel is going to stop
their dedicated work on upcoming Arc architectures.
It's just whether they make their way out of the mobile chips into desktop GPUs
that could be questionable.
Everything I've heard seems to indicate
that they're committed, but you never know, right? Large companies like Intel can just spin off a division.
And literally the people working on it could find out that the same time that the public does.
So it's impossible for us to say for sure.
Got one more, Den? Yep.
They're coming in now, finally. So Shopify seems to have fixed itself.
Are you comfortable with how much AI is in the new 50 series?
Are you even allowed to talk about that, I guess? Yeah, it would be very difficult for me to talk about that.
I can comment on anything that NVIDIA talked about
in their keynote at CES. Clearly these cards are designed to run local models.
They're designed to assist using machine learning,
tasks like gaming or noise reduction.
I could speculate that there might be other loads
that they would assist with, but they haven't talked about anything specific.
So am I comfortable with it?
I mean, it's not a question of comfort to me so much.
It is a question of would I prefer it?
Like it's kind of like back when Intel
started putting IGPUs on all of their CPUs.
And I looked at it and I kind of went, I have a graphics card.
I don't need the IGPU. I'd rather you just use the extra die area
to give me another core. And looking back at it now, I was wrong.
IGPUs were the path forward to assisting CPUs with key tasks.
They're really convenient for troubleshooting. I'm glad we have IGPUs on both Intel and AMD
flagship tier CPUs now.
But it doesn't change that that's how I felt about it. And I can see why a lot of people might look at a product
like RTX 5090 and go for crying out loud NVIDIA
if you just didn't have any of this AI crap on it. How many more CUDA cores could you have packed in there?
And it's a valid question.
But would 10% or 5% more CUDA cores
have had the impact on the gaming experience
that this AI hardware does? Obviously NVIDIA doesn't think so.
So it's not a question of comfort. It's a question of preference.
I recognize that more CUDA cores
wasn't going to get us to a ray traced future.
I mean, we made a video this recently where we looked at Indiana Jones and the Great Circle
and talked about how RTX on is going to be mandatory
in some games going forward. Whether I like it or not, it is.
That is. So I guess I'd rather that my card is ready for the future
rather than not be ready for the future
even if that future is not my preferred future.
Who's sleeping?
Dan, do you want to hit me with one more?
Yeah, sure. Love the B570 coverage.
If it hasn't been done, can you test Guild Wars 2?
Question for the team. What are your favorite, if any, MMOs?
I think the only MMO I ever played
was I played World of Warcraft and I played it for the entire time that was included
and then I never actually bought a subscription
and when I say I played it for the entire time that was included, I mean literally the entire time.
I ate, slept, and played World of Warcraft
and so I recognized, A, that I didn't want to support
paying a subscription to play one game
and that was not something I had a strong interest in
and B, that this particular game
was clearly delivering enough content
that I could easily justify paying for it monthly
given how much I enjoyed playing it
but number three, I needed to have a life
so those were the three things that I sort of recognized
and ultimately never played World of Warcraft again or another MMO.
How about you, you ever MMO? I played a lot of WoW until the first expansion then got out.
Yeah, okay. And lots of Guild Wars, Guild Wars 2.
Okay, all right. Yeah, those were the main ones.
Everything other than that, I played Star Wars,
whatever the current one is when it first came out
but I got to Endgame in a week and it wasn't even worth it after that.
Right, okay. The Endgame wasn't good at the time
and I think it's gotten better now but I haven't gone back.
And I'm an Eve guy.
Oh, Eve, of course. I forgot about Eve.
Of course I'm an Eve guy. Yeah, spreadsheet simulator.
What are you doing Eve? Oh, I watch movies. What about having another job?
Yeah.
Good stuff. I now live in wormhole space.
Are we doing Guild Wars? I don't know. He asked about it.
What are they doing over there? Frostpunk?
Oh, you're doing the first one or the second one? Second one.
Okay, cool. There's some mixed thoughts on the second one.
I'm willing to. Yeah, you already...
What are you guys doing now? Should I close Farm Simulator and should we just play Guild Wars 2?
I mean... I think it's got to download a bunch if we do.
It's not a small download if I remember right.
Hmm, I see.
Oh yeah. Yeah, that's the whole thing. Yeah, this might be...
Maybe not. Of course 2 might not be happening.
I want Frostpunk. L's and G's. They're working on that over there.
All right. And then your guys are going to come over here
and get Farm Simulator going? Cool.
Somebody asked for 25? Oh yeah, this is 22.
Oh, my shared library. There's a 20's library? Oh, that's probably me stealing it as you open it.
Way to go. All right, I'm going to check.
Want to hit me with another merge message? Sure. Should we do a handful more and then call it though, guys?
Yeah, we're good to go until 3 is what we've been told. We've got about a half hour left.
Okay. Oh, great. Okay, sure.
Is there anything that LMG has sacrificed when you started focusing on the Labs?
Given the difficulties on getting the Labs up and running, what would you do differently if you can go back in time?
Well, there's no way I can discuss everything that I would do differently.
But I will say that it was clear that we needed a stronger direction
in terms of deciding on which verticals we were going to master
before trying to move on to start to figure out something else.
And I think my manner of project management works really well for me.
Like back when I was the main writer of everything,
I would have easily 20, 25, 30 projects on the go at a given time.
And the reason is because I had to.
Otherwise, nothing longer term would ever get done.
Like if I was only focused on my next five projects,
I would have absolutely no hope of project six getting done
because I would finish project five and I'd go, okay,
I'm ready to start working on project six. I need to source a weird cooler.
I guess, well, what? I'd wait two weeks for it to arrive?
No. No, I need to be working on project six.
Ages ago, so that I have the parts in hand
so that I can form some first impressions
and then put it aside again and finish today's shoot
and then come back to it. I am very much a balls man, you know?
Juggling balls, keeping them in the hand.
We're doing phrasing? Five or six.
And that works really well for me. And so, you know, when I look at something like Labs,
I go, okay, well, you know, for this particular vertical,
there's a six month lead time on a power supply tester.
So order it now, you know, figure out what we need.
And then while we're instead of sitting there for six months,
we can like work on other things. And that was something that I think didn't work.
And there's a number of reasons that it didn't work.
And one of the reasons is that just plain,
just doesn't work for a lot of people.
And for a lot of goals,
not every goal can be kind of broken out that way.
And I wasn't the one running the lab, so I don't know, I couldn't tell you with 100% certainty
exactly what challenges they faced
and, you know, why certain things worked or didn't. But what I can say for sure is that trying to go so broad
at so many verticals right out of the gate didn't work.
And we're figuring it out. All right, our system's ready over there.
I think so.
Here we go.
Frostpunk 2. Have you guys played this yet?
Oh, no. I played the first one.
This one is quite contentious because people are expecting the first one and it is not the first one.
What am I looking at here?
What is this? You're basically like managing kind of like heat and power
and everything.
Trying not to kill all your dudes.
Managing heat and power. Okay, so make sure your generator's on
and then start some frost breaking. Turn generators on.
Okay, well my generator is on, so let's do some frost breaking.
Good, I guess. Do some frost and what? Frost breaking.
Frost breaking. I think you have to build it down in the bottom menu.
Okay, construct districts.
How about a logistics district?
How about here? No, I need 20 heat.
I need it near a generator. Wow, this really seems like the kind of game
that needs a manual or a tutorial. That I'm sure exists.
I just haven't viewed it.
Okay, here's how we move around. Okay, cool. Well, I'm not going to bother building anything.
Instead, what I'm going to do is I'm going to play around with the camera.
I'm going to move it around a little bit. Let's get in real close to our... Whoa!
Boy, we can really get in close. Okay. Hey, how about your view of the...
Hey, look at that. We're both on the Christmas tree. I'm getting creamed.
Crushing it even. Oh. Not by that much.
Well, my minimum's recovered. They were at like 12. Oh.
Yeah. And yours are at 20 now. Yours are at 11.
Okay, what's going on here? My view, though. Yeah.
Why is your CPU usage so high? I don't know.
My GPU is nothing. What? I can't be right.
That looks bugged. I would say so.
Okay. So we're coming out to the city level view.
Oh, is your generator not running? No, it's on.
Oh. Well, I don't know. It looks like it's on.
Well, I turned it off. Oops. Way to go, Jordan.
Okay. Okay. So 50, 55.
Oh. Wow. This game's really inconsistent on both of them.
If I had to give the edge to... Hold on.
Yours are better than me. I'm going to restart frame view real quick here.
And if you guys also want to freeze your entire population to death,
you can pick this up on greemangaming.com.
Thanks, Dan. Turn your generators on.
What? 1% CPU. There we go.
Okay. That's more like it.
If I had to pick a winner, it looks like the slight edge goes to you.
What about when you pan around? What do your 1% lows look like?
Because I'm dropping down to like 25. I'm in the 40s.
60. Give it a little throw-throw, you know?
Yeah. This is looking like an NVIDIA win.
Yeah. 60 is my low.
Okay. That's crazy. Yeah.
I think this is an NVIDIA win.
CPU's kind of evened out.
Man, after the review, which we did on the fastest modern CPU, right?
Yep. Because that's the conventional wisdom, is you want to reduce the potential for the
GPU to be bottlenecked. Yeah.
So we're going to work one against the 4060 pretty handily.
Yeah. Now that we're using a couple of generationals.
Real world. I5, it is looking neck and naaaan NVIDIA win.
I think NVIDIA has a slight edge, but the dollar factor is kind of where it gets decided.
So at the end of the day, this is going to come down to price, which is kind of a cool
place for it to be because. Actually, there's the VR factor as well.
I'm not supporting VR at all right now.
That is. So that's kind of a deal breaker for me. That is a downer.
That is a mega downer. It isn't a deal breaker for me because my VR machine is separate from my other machine.
Yeah. That is a, that is definitely what they call a champagne situation.
You know. Hmm. Yeah.
And to NVIDIA's credit, one of the things they do really well is support software support
for their products. I would expect this to get drivers for a very long time.
I expect it to get, I expect it to operate.
Not flawlessly, flawlessly is that's a big word, but I expect it to operate relatively
smoothly for a very, very long time.
And like it's getting the DLS back ported from 50 series.
Yep. We'll see how much performance it maybe takes because of that, but yeah.
It's a tough one. It is tough.
I want Intel to succeed at this, but there's a few things yet that make it hard to buy.
Should I mark that down because somebody did ask you to try SteamVR?
Let's turn it up a little bit. I'm curious.
Oh, disabled. So what was that, Dan? Should I mark that down as a win for NVIDIA because somebody did ask to try SteamVR?
We specified at the start we weren't going to VR, so.
Yeah, but it's definitely an NVIDIA win given that Intel gets a did not finish.
No, forget it. Okay then. I'm over it.
All right. So you're calling that for NVIDIA?
All right, cool. Oh, are we doing Siv?
Let's go. Are you guys calling this?
Let's go. Are you guys calling the Frostbunk 2 for NVIDIA?
I'm calling it for NVIDIA, I think. Yeah.
Dan, do you want to hit me with a merge message?
Sure. I still see some benchmarks with the 1080 Ti as comparison card to 3000 and 4000 series,
but the 2000 series seems to be forgotten.
Why? The reason is that the 2000 series did not sell especially well.
So the reason that the 10 series tends to get included is because, at least I'm speaking for us
and I assume other reviewers are following a similar process at least some of the time,
one of the, okay, there are a number of ways that we determine what to compare against.
One is equal price in the market, okay, because that's the competition.
One is previous generation, similarly priced product that someone may be upgrading from.
Another is personal interest and curiosity.
So for that reason, we often included ARC in our previous GPU reviews,
even if it was in a completely different performance class, just because we wanted to kind of see how it was going.
And then the last one is because it's something that a lot of people have,
and it's something that they have a good frame of reference for.
So Jordan has the Steam hardware survey up over here, which is an invaluable tool for us,
and that shows that for a very, very, very long time, we are going to be including RTX 3060.
1650 will probably be included for a long time.
In performance charts, because those are a couple of cards that a lot of people,
literally 10% of Steam gamers have one of those two cards.
So if we're looking at something that is even remotely in the same price band,
those are really relevant comparison cards, even if they aren't the last gen one,
or even if they aren't at the same price, exactly today.
All right, let's move over. And when 20 series came out, there was literally no reason to buy one.
Yeah, there was no content for it. It was a pretty tough sell.
All right, return to game, here we go.
Continue.
Nudisive six. Oh my goodness. Okay.
All right, we good? We're good. Let's go for a little walk.
Let's do that. Okay.
Oh, my settler says that's a good place for a city.
The advisor. Okay, well, in fairness, I haven't played in a while.
The advisor is often quite... Drunk?
Quite mistaken about good places to put a city. You go like two more spaces, and it's awesome with lots of great productivity and stuff
that you need right at the beginning, and then you don't go two more spaces,
and they're like, oh yeah, this is a really good place for them.
Anyway, man, it's such a balancing act at the beginning of the game.
If you don't start your first city freaking immediately,
you're kind of boned for all the early ages,
but if you pick a crappy site for your first city, then you're kind of boned.
How do I start a... How do I found a city in this one?
You don't know. Send and find a city.
Hey, let's go.
Lundy. How's your performance, Jordan?
I'm at about 400 frames a second. Me too.
30% graphics? Or CPU rather?
I'm a little higher on the CPU... I don't know, quite a bit higher.
I'm about 10% higher on the CPU usage, and my FPS is nearly identical.
It looks like this one's going to be another tie,
but another example of Intel's CPU usage being...
Just a little bit higher. Measurably higher, which could be more impactful
if you have an older or a fewer cord CPU.
Let's make a city.
Ooh, choose research. Let's go with astrology.
That seems like the most useful thing for my civilization to have.
That's your top priority. Let's learn about which...
At all times.
Let's learn about which constellation means what.
Bonuses earned. Yeah, whatever. Next turn.
Okay. I haven't played Siv in a while. Either.
Oh, okay. Well, dumb question. Yeah, I heard sevens coming.
I think the last one I played was four. People are saying not the same map,
and Jordan is way zoomed out. Okay, let's both zoom way out.
Okay. And very similar, guys.
It looks pretty similar. I'll zoom way in on my city.
Me too. Yeah, guys, this is pretty darn...
It's not different enough. Pretty darn similar.
I think in the zoomed in view,
the edge does go to arc here,
but zoomed out. They were about the same.
The wind cover kind of the same amount of space. Yeah, if we were to look for one to have a wind here...
If you got the wind... It would be arc, but the problem with that is that it's a 20 FPS difference on the 1% lows,
which at this high of a number is only 6%.
This is like complaining CSGO is running at 500 frames a second.
With that said, I mean, with W is a W. 5% is...
Yeah, you get the wind, but... It's a narrow wind.
Yeah. Calling it for arc? Sure.
Yeah, we can call it for arc. We'll throw arc of bone.
Oh, boy. All right. Hey!
Baldur's Gate 3, let's go! Okay.
Playing in DX11, just so you guys know.
All right, so we're moving around.
Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.
Uh-oh arc fans.
Oh, boy. How you doing arc fans?
Less good than you were before. I'll tell you that much.
Oh, okay. Oh, okay.
She had a little moment there when we were switching over to a controller.
Do you want to use a controller, actually? Not really, but okay.
All right. What a hater. Why would you play a controller with this game?
Absolute hater, so that we can just camera follow around our character, Jordan.
I guess so. Okay, so we're going to the same zoom level?
Yeah, same zoom level. Here we go. Uh, where are you going?
You're going through the giant sphincter? Yeah, I did this for Jordan. Or did you already go through?
Okay, hold on. Wait for me. Wait for me.
It's the advantage of the keyboard and mouse. You can move better, you know.
Yeah, I will. Okay, hold on. I'm going to the same spot.
Oh, boy.
Okay. Oh, yeah.
I mean, if we were going to call that one a win for arc. That's fair.
Then we definitely need to call this one a win for NVIDIA.
There's no real question.
Uh-huh. The fire a little bit here.
It's really not that far off, but it... With some dragons going.
...isn't the same. Want to try the game in Vulcan?
Uh, we can try... Yeah, we could try the game in Vulcan.
Sure. Why don't we give Vulcan a shot?
Let's try it. So you win DirectX 11.
Yep. Let's see how arc fares in Vulcan.
Benergy says arc seems to be running consistently cooler than the 4060.
Is that just down to the cooler? Yes.
We have a wimpy little basic MSI. Looks like a Ventus or something.
Huh. Yes. Ventus 2X for NVIDIA.
And then we have this beefy Max Sun card for arc.
We mentioned it earlier in the stream, but it is worth re-mentioning that you should...
And we're also obviously not in the cases and...
Yeah. No proper airflow. You should ignore the cooling results for the GPUs.
All right. I am going to try and launch again. My launcher crashed last time.
Yeah, mine did too. Oh, really? I heard it didn't launch for me.
Nice. All right, here we go. Feeders.
No AMD comparison. The point was arc battle mage.
How are the drivers? Can you just play any game?
And the real competitor in the space is NVIDIA.
NVIDIA is the market leader by a country mile.
And adding a third system would have added a ton of complexity to a production that was already responsible for...
This took like two weeks to work already. Yeah.
And we already know that AMD works.
Yeah. There's no trust factor there.
There's no they're going to work. If you want benchmarks, you know, when a new card comes out, we'll like review it in benchmark it.
But the point to this is more evaluating compatibility, but also just having that NVIDIA card there as a reference point.
All right, my game managed to launch now. Here we go.
Shader cache.
Shader boss wins. All right, I'll wait until it starts here.
Hey Dan, do we have a big backlog of merge messages?
Should I be trying to burn through them as we get close to the end of this? Yeah, we've got about 10 minutes left and we have 12 merge messages to go through.
You want to start hitting me with some? Sure.
Oh, actually, we already did that one.
On the wandsweats, I snag the back right pocket and tore the rubber to rubber seal slash glue.
Can you tell me what process or glue is used originally so I can fix them as close to original as possible?
That is a wonderful question for our wonderful and talented customer support team at Creator Warehouse.
You're going to want to go on LTT Store, send a message.
They are a little bit backlogged from the incredible support you guys showed us during the holiday shopping period this year
and also the incredible reception that there has been to the commuter bag.
Reviews are starting to pop up both on LTT Store and on Reddit for the commuter bag.
People are absolutely flipping, loving this thing.
I saw it compared to a peak design bag that cost, I believe, about $100 more.
They compared very favorably. They ended up rating both of them like the same number out of 10 but said that the LTT commuter bag would be their daily driver.
They thought it was really thoughtfully designed and whatever.
I'll let you guys go find the reviews.
Don't take my word for it.
Anyway, the customer support team is a little behind right now.
What is the power consumption between the two cards?
We are not evaluating that today, but I can tell you right now, higher for ARC.
I'm in the market for a handheld that have no idea where to start.
Can you give me a rundown on the best handhelds I should consider?
Hold on a sec. Whoa, buddy!
Okay, hold on. Whoa, buddy!
I think this might be a tie. It's close.
I think it might be a tie now. I think...
Dude. I think I win Vulcan.
I think you win DirectX 11.
Oh, not a tie.
Maybe not. Okay, let's go through the sphincter.
Oh boy. No.
I don't think I can take a win here. This is too close.
But I think we could call this game a tie and just say, hey, make sure you run ARC on Vulcan.
Yeah. This looks like a tie to me. Oh, I should have touched lower.
Oh. Oh, why? Whoa.
Oh, that was a big stutter. Mind you, it was lifting. Oh, same here.
Okay. That's fine. I'm willing to call it a tie.
Then what else? Do we have another one on B? Okay.
Oh, we do. One more game here. Okay.
The Zooming Man Stench didn't make much of a difference
Hello, LMG. I love the cargo pants. Any other colorways planned?
Yes. We're planning Navy for the cargo pants.
Sorry, what's that, Andy? You haven't really answered the other ones.
Oh, yeah. Sorry. What are the good handhelds right now?
What should they consider? Oh. What game is this?
Death Stranding. You'd be foolish if you didn't at least consider the Steam Deck
or Steam Deck OLED.
It's a really well put together little package.
And as long as you're willing to accept that not every Windows game
is going to run, it's great.
It's such a console-like experience.
Instant power-on, instant suspend.
I love the Steam Deck and I love what Valve is doing with Steam OS.
With that said, there's, when it comes to compatibility,
Windows is king. And for that, the Ally is a very compelling option.
I know that Lenovo has some really cool stuff coming over the next little bit.
I actually, I don't know if the ShortCircuit is up yet,
but I previewed their upcoming like 8.8 inch,
like with the new AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme
and the performance is just awesome.
And then MSI's Claw 8 AI, whatever,
the one that we did the sponsored ShortCircuit on. Hey, I mean, that's the whole subject of today's stream.
Arc has come a long way. It uses Arc graphics in Intel's latest mobile chips
and it runs pretty well. I haven't side-by-sided it with like an Ally X or anything like that,
but it looks pretty compelling. And then ASUS is kind of the one to beat in the Windows handheld space right now.
And the Ally X is pretty killer.
And then, of course, you know, throwing another wrench into your decision
is the fact that Nintendo announced the Switch 2 today. Yep.
You know, gaming handheld. That's not a PC, but it'll be interesting.
It'll be interesting. It'll be something. Okay.
You know what else can throw a wrench into your life, Death Stranding on green man gaming.
Hey. Hey. So I've been about 20 FPS over you the entire time here.
Okay. And I'm in the water for some reason.
NVIDIA skill issue. All right.
So that's it. That's a win for NVIDIA and Death Stranding. I think so.
Okay. I'll allow it. All right.
To be clear, both of these cards run this game great. And I think that's a huge part of the story today.
But if you can get Arc for anything resembling MSRP,
it doesn't suck now. It's a viable option.
Absolutely. Absolutely viable option.
Like, I don't think there's been any game that after today,
I'm like, man, you really just can't buy an Arc.
It does work. Everything you try to work.
Pretty cool. Except ray tracing and control.
Okay. Yeah. The game still works though.
But the game worked. You could absolutely play and enjoy the crap out of that game.
You don't have to have ray tracing to be a gamer.
Yeah. Man's Tenge brings up a good point in the chat that the
accessory ecosystem for the various handhelds could be a factor
in your decision. That's true. Like, again, you know, full disclosure, Dbrand is a long time
and frequent sponsor of ours. But they have the grip case for both the Steam Deck
and the Ally series. So that might be a factor.
It's a really nice case. Oh, there's no game here.
Are we done? We're done. We're done.
All right. How many games did we do, Dan? Here, let's go check it.
We did 31. You're ending your script here.
Oh, sure. We did 31 games. Well, it's not 50.
But I think that's more than we did last time. I think so. I think so.
In this amount of time anyway. And only one of them had a bit of an issue.
Yeah. Which was NVIDIA Bedrock. Sorry.
Minecraft Bedrock RTX. All right.
Frickin' A. Sick. Okay.
So what's our final tally then, Dan? So our final time, we did 31 games, 15 for Team Green, 10 in a tie, and 6 for Team Blue.
So that's roughly 48% for Team Green, 20% for Team Blue, and 33% of them were in a tie.
However, with that said, we are talking straight up performance with absolutely nothing else
factored in. So if we were to fire up yield, you know.
Yield new egg? Yield new egg and go RTX 4060.
I hate that all these cards are called the same thing with all the various amounts of
VRAM and whatever. For 8 gig. So 8 gig, if we sort by low, oopsie doodles, sort by lowest price would be, oh, is that
the exact, is that this? That's this. That's that card.
Okay. So $300 US for this.
Number one best seller. Yeah, that makes sense.
And then. Five bucks off right now. Here you go.
Arc B580. Did you get more around with the arc though?
Yeah, but. Scroll down for the max someone. Oh, wait, wait.
Hold on. I'm not sorting by lowest price. Oh.
Wait. Wait, what?
Is this an arc?
Wow. And, oh, out of stock.
I mean. It's an interesting bundle. That's a very interesting bundle.
A 750 watt power supply. Is this a, a B580 and a 750 watt power supply would be a great deal if it was in stock.
What is it? So in theory. Gunner.
Arc's a great value. In practice today, this looks like a pretty clear win for Team Green.
Yeah. Today. But Jordan's point about it having way less VRAM literally only 66% as much VRAM as the
B580 is a potentially more important point for the future than it is today today.
So that's something for you guys to consider. You should also consider.
Do we say the price? It's on screen.
We're not showing it. Oh, is Dan not showing it on screen? Oh, you're on a different lol.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Dan is doing his own thing over there.
Yeah, our arc cards are starting at 340 bucks.
$40 more than the RTX 4060.
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How long are you going to stare at Andy here? Until Dan tells me I'm clear.