How y'all doing?
Hello? Is it pre-show? I hope so.
I'm checking right now. Whoa. Yes.
Just checking the select. Starting the show with how y'all do it?
That'd be a little lower energy than our typical opening, but we could make it work.
Okay. So who's this bagged teardown guy? I can't find him.
I'm searching for like LV bagged teardown, Hermes bagged teardown.
I mean, it's got to be like coach. I don't know.
Coach, purse, teardown.
Like the fact that both of you guys have come across this person, maybe, maybe Floatplane
chat will know.
Leather bag. Guys, do you know who they're talking about?
Tanner Leatherstein? That sounds like a made up name.
I hope that's it. It's just going to stop. It'd be amazing.
Holy crap. I think it is. 438,000 subscribers.
Highly requested Kefune bagged review.
Is this the guy? Yeah.
Okay. It's Tanner Leatherstein? Tanner Leatherstein.
Okay. Well, it's definitely made up name, so that's something.
Dear Linus, all names are made up. All right. All right.
All right. All right. Okay.
Oh, my back. Okay. Highly requested Kefune.
The secret town luxury brands don't want you to know.
Oh, is this the Chinese worker town in Italy?
I guess. I know it's in Spain. So.
Oh, sure. Who would have known my bag cutting would have brought me here?
And why is it that these houses don't like to talk about Yubricay?
All right.
Fascinating. The whole luxury goods thing is so confusing to me.
We were talking about, we came to this subject because I was telling Luke before the show
that the reviews of the Lux LTT backpack are really good.
There's like five reviews for it now from verified buyers. They're all five star.
They love it. And I was talking about how as someone who doesn't really like do like super high end
luxury goods myself other than my car.
And your shirt. No, no, no, no, no. This is not the real one.
This is our replica. That is the real LTT Store.
Yeah. This is also the one that will never see the light of day because it's not good enough.
We are still going to do the Zuck shirt, but it's going to be like a lot closer to the
real one. Now that we got the real one and we realized it's actually, there's things about it that
are quite nice. There's things about it we don't like, but there's things. Yeah.
What is the like, whatever it was, the shoulder seam thing. There was something weird.
Yeah. The shoulder seam was weird and like the sleeve was like basically a llama day got to do a
victory lap on like the work that she's done improving our sleeves over the last 15 months.
I like our sleeves a lot actually. It's been a journey to get there, but she was like, yeah, we've gotten pretty good.
The sleeves on the tall shirts are great. So if she had any impact there, then she'd be happy.
She impacts a lot.
I think the tall stuff might have been done by Hannah before she left, but Alameda almost
certainly at least touched it at some point.
It says LTT sleeves are the best I've worn.
Yeah. That's because apparently we are going to be able to see her victory lap on a full-point
exclusive. Oh, really? Nice.
Oh, that's right. Yeah. We don't know.
Oh, wow. We haven't released that yet. Okay.
We recorded that a while ago because we recorded that before we did the WAN Show where I cut a hole in the shirt. Oh.
Anyway, the point is as someone who doesn't really understand necessarily the consumer
mindset for luxury goods that much, I was telling Luke, I feel like we don't really know
how to market this stuff.
And we don't really, to be clear, we don't really mark up even our most luxurious products
the way that a luxury brand would.
Like this Tanner Leatherstein guy, Luke was saying it's pretty normal for him to be like,
yep, so I took apart this thing and there's about an 800% markup and he's not mad about
it or anything. That's what you'll expect. I haven't watched a ton of his stuff, but I literally think I've seen two or three videos,
but the vibe that I get is he gets more offended by the materials being crap than the price
being inflated. And I know the one video that I watched, he talked about the price being inflated and
he was essentially going along the lines of like, yeah, you're buying a luxury product.
Yeah, so. Comes with a high price. Even our high-end products are marked up to a similar percentage as our regular products.
So we have kind of a band of markup and everything falls in there.
So we don't really do things the way that luxury brands do.
If we marked up the Luxe backpack the way that someone like an Hermes would, it would
have been probably more like $3,000 or something like that.
Like it's a whole thing. Anyway.
Yeah, here's a question. Is the neck size of that shirt in line with?
It stretched. Yeah, so that's why this is not good enough.
The neck kind of fell apart and got kind of foldy and stuff.
Not because we were trying to cost-save or anything, but just because we're working
with completely new materials and you never know. That's why we wear test things.
Like we. Makes sense. And we don't catch everything.
I mean, you know, double-layer backpack. But we do our due diligence and we do actually wear things, right?
Like part of our product design philosophy is that if it's not good enough for me to
wear, then it isn't good enough for us to put on the store, right?
So I'm wearing the shirt even though this one has already been kiboshed.
Where was I going with this? Right.
We don't really know how to market to luxury buyers. So everyone who bought the Luxe bag loves it.
And then Luke made the off-hander mark. He's like, yeah, so why didn't they like buy it before we discontinued it?
Because the second we told you guys that it was going to be EOL. So many people came out.
Crawling out of the woodwork going like, oh, I wanted to buy it. I wanted to buy it.
Where's your money then? And you didn't pay for it. But I literally think more people told us that they wanted to buy it than actually
bought it ever. No, I think so. If you count people who upvoted a comment that was like, no, dude, I wanted to buy it.
I was like, I was waiting for the right moment or something like that.
And it's just like, well, so clearly there's something about our like go to market or
our marketing or our messaging or something that just like, I don't know, we clearly don't
know how to do like luxury, luxury goods, luxury marketing, shipping, no, shipping ain't
the problem. It's a $600 backpack. Anyone who's spending $600 on a backpack's concern is not that it costs shipping or whatever.
That that was no way.
All got knocked off the Dow Jones.
Oh, wow.
Yikes.
That actually happened. I don't know. NVIDIA's replacing them.
Is that real?
Whoa.
Two hours ago, fortune.com and video will replace Intel on the Dow Jones industrial average.
Yikes. Holy crap.
That's a lot of pop ups. I have a tiny sliver where I can read.
Well, it doesn't matter because there's only a tiny sliver of text.
Oh, there's some more. No, I understood.
I really think like, look at this. Look at this screen.
We're back to like genuinely like 90s level pop up BS.
Oh, yeah. The amount of like, like this thing's a pop up. I honestly consider the cookie banner a pop up.
Well, that's not their fault. This is a pop up. I understand that.
Yeah. It's still a pop up. I don't blame you for that one.
Yeah, but it's still happening. From a usability standpoint, you're not wrong, but that's not their fault.
I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm just saying this is how the internet works. Jensen from the top rope.
Oh, this is a, this is a cool.
I don't remember how I found this website, but probably with the internet.
Wow. No, I meant like somebody, I think somebody sent it to me.
I don't think I just organically found it myself, but. Wow.
Dash, I dash, experience dash, web dash today.
I search something and it shows me something.
Cookie. Cookie. Okay.
Never edit. Okay. I'll turn this off and then I, you don't want to click that.
So I got to click this thing and then no, I don't, I don't want to freaking.
Oh my God. Oh, this is just a, oh, I don't want the newsletter.
Okay. Yeah. I'm blocking.
Oh my goodness. Okay. No, I don't want that.
Uh, maybe I'll continue reading. Oh my, there's so many.
Oh God. Uh, maybe I'll just leave the website.
Oh, what? Oh, there's changes can't be said.
Oh, it's okay. That's pretty cute. I actually really like that website.
We should have saved that for the show. We can do it again. I mean, yeah, but the Floatplane is going to know that it was fake.
It's all fake. It's all movie magic. I mean, it was already all fake.
I've seen the website before. I've already seen every new chip that AMD is releasing for the next 10 years.
I just pretend to be excited and surprised when they launch, launch a new one.
Like, come on. You really think that they keep having like new nanometers, you know, in their nodes all
the time. They've all had, they've had it all since the 80s.
I've had it all since the 80s.
Yep. Well, you think the military's not ahead, dude?
What are you talking about? Yeah, man. You wouldn't believe like the artificial general intelligences they have.
I mean, it's not like humans invented any of it.
It all ended in Roswell. AI Fred's fantastic. All right.
Should we start? Should we start the show? All right.
Let's do it. What website was that? Well, am I saving it for the show or no?
I don't know. Who cares? How-i-experience-web-today.com.
Realistically, the Floatplane peeps contribute more to the ongoing functioning of minus
media group anyway, so they should get special treatment.
Yeah. Dude. Dude.
We're going to crack 40,000 again. Yeah.
It's actually pretty nuts. We are f***ing back, baby.
Yeah. Like, actually, though. Yeah.
Yeah. It feels good. You know what my theory is?
The videos are good. You know what my theory is? What?
Everyone's busy hating Mr. Beast. There was a thread on the subreddit not that long ago.
I don't remember where it went, but I think it like, I wonder if I can find it.
Whoa. Why did the page just reload? I think it actually captured something pretty good, which was they're just like, man, I've
been having fun just watching videos lately. There's two.
There's two. They're just like, yeah, I love the videos lately. It's just been good.
It's like, yeah, they have been.
40,000 subscribers on Floatplane, Boredaga.
Parasocial rebound. Yeah, that's fine, I'll be your rebound check.
No problem. I don't even mind.
Oh, man.
Just take a shower first. That's all I ask.
Pro tip, you should get tested.
They know you're clean. Yeah, that's all it matters.
Yeah, these new LTT videos are amazing.
I've been watching LTT for eight years now, but I've never actually been this excited
for new uploads. It's like, yeah. I found myself organically watching a bunch of the content.
Heck yeah. Which is cool.
There's a couple of videos very, very, very lately that haven't performed particularly
well. I noticed some more spikiness, yeah.
Yeah, the, I don't know, people didn't seem that into like, this is what's confusing
to me because like, this is what I like to do. People didn't seem that into the like modding an old case video.
That was very surprising to me. I honestly, I really enjoyed that video.
I thought it was kind of a blast when I was watching, when I was watching it back, Elijah
always brings that really good energy to things and like, I feel like people almost took it
too seriously. Oh yeah, that's not a problem in the PC hardware space at all.
Like it's just supposed to be kind of like, like inspo for, you know, hey, maybe you don't
actually, you know, need to spend $70 or whatever on a case.
Like maybe you could just use your old case, but it did not perform well on YouTube, did
not perform particularly well on Floatplane. Just like, people are like, meh, I don't know, maybe the title sucks, but I thought it would
get people's attention. You know, buying a new case is a waste of, buying a new case is a waste of money.
Emma was so nervous about the roasting video.
Oh really? How come? She doesn't like sit and watch LTD videos with me too often, but we watched the whole
thing and she was like, seat gripped the whole time.
Why? Because she, she, I think actually really cares a lot about the like vibe that she's kind
of set for our place. Oh, so it wasn't like your computer that she cared about.
It was like the, got it, that makes way more sense now.
No, I get it. I get it. I get it.
And people are like, all the praises towards me, which is hilarious. Yeah. If you did any of it, any of it, yeah, right.
Like the fact that there aren't like loose socks everywhere near the desk is pure Emma.
Well, OK, no, that's, we, we have to keep it clean for the birds.
General cleanliness has to be kept up for the birds.
But like the vibe is, yeah, I have, I have a.
I have classic bachelor place. We know, yeah.
Kato says the lead computer also made me very uncomfortable.
I, man, people went one of two ways with that one.
People either went like these guys are so far over the top on the PPE that like it's
ridiculous or they were like flipping out over that we even had led anywhere near the
building. In reality, the truth was somewhere in the middle, we did go kind of over the top on
the PPE because we wanted to avoid people freaking out about us not having enough PPE.
And also, like we, you know, we, we should freak out a little bit overled because there
are a lot of people that don't take it seriously enough. Yes, like the number of people that, that that were like, I handle that all the time.
And I'm fine was like, yeah.
I never said that you're going to immediately die.
I said it makes you a dumper, which I guess is working.
Oh boy. Like Paul Am says the Congress joke was gold.
I get to take credit for that one. That was me. I can, I can defend all the stuff in the roasted video.
Someone said you should get monitor arms. Those, those IKEA, well, I spoiled where they're from, those little things that my
monitors are sitting from. The one in the middle was just a free thing that we just like had.
And then the ones for the side monitors are these little like few dollar IKEA tables.
It's incredibly cheaper. And I think it looks good. So I don't care.
The couch being on a weird angle. Yeah, it is on a weird angle. If it went the correct Adam pointed it out perfectly, actually, if it went the
correct way, its back would be directly against a baseboard heater, um, which is
like sketch and we don't actually watch that much TV.
And the way that it's currently set up for both of us, you, you just lounge,
you lay down on the couch instead of sitting facing forward. And it's actually very comfortable.
So it works out great. We tried a bunch of different positions for the couch and that one ended up just
winning and you can still get outside.
There's another door that you guys can't see in the pictures. The only reason there were no comments on my desk being crooked is cause I
strategically took the picture so people can't tell my desk is not aligned with
the wall. It's like way off because it makes my background better with the shelves.
My upstairs desk. I don't think they included that. They didn't include my upstairs desk.
I don't think so. Oh, that's stupid. That's my like main. Yeah. I, when I saw your bit, I was like, what?
That's not even like his. Yeah. They glossed over mine cause mine was like pretty tame cause like it's just clean.
And yeah, they have this one. Oh, they just have my downstairs set up.
Oh, that's stupid. Yeah. It's just a little boring.
It's not a lot going on. Phoenix, Phoenix asks, or says, for the lead video, I still felt there wasn't
enough PPE personally. I've seen what's happened to others in my family with lead, but that's the thing.
It doesn't really matter how you feel about the protective equipment.
We followed work safe guidelines and it's fine.
We are fine. It's definitely. And so there was a lot of people that felt that it was too much or felt that it was not
enough, but what actually happened was we just did what we were supposed to do.
And we hand it up a little bit for the camera both ways.
And I think that just kind of hit people's feels a little bit, but like from a factual
standpoint, everything is okay.
You're good for sure. And there is no need to worry. Also, Chewy, I definitely one hand the water bottles.
Nice. I liked that comment.
Nice. Yeah, it ended up being really good. People seem to like it.
Nicole didn't like the couch. Everybody else liked the rest of it. Cory's, the name says I worked HVAC in college and the older guys in the shop would
straight up insult you for using PPE around dangerous chemicals.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
And, you know, given what we know about dangerous chemicals making you dumber, I
guess that becomes like a positive feedback loop.
Yeah. Oh man.
We should probably start the show. We should start the show because this all could have probably been on the show, but
oh, well, hey, look, thanks. Thanks, Floati.
Why are more people subscribing to Floatplane right now? We've added like six subscribers since the show started.
Twitch. We're technically live on Twitch right now. Oh, that's true.
Yeah, we forget about them. I always forget. Yeah, I don't open the chat anymore.
So I just completely forgot about them. Maybe Facebook got tired of being ignored.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, that all actually makes a ton of sense. And then if they're tuning in after the start.
Oh, yeah, wait, are we the only place we archive this is on Floatplane?
Yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. Are we streaming to Facebook right now?
You know what? Hi, Facebook. Yeah, I got 43. We 42 watchers. 42.
Somebody just left. Let's go. I will send them a heart.
What am I 42? Is that the number of people watching? Is that the average age of their kids?
Oh, that's their old age and 42.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but Facebook users are old. Could be the median age.
You know what, I'd rather you give me nothing than give me that.
That's terrible. You know what, I'm going to give Twitch another chance.
That is a mistake, but okay, it's going to last like 20 minutes.
Well, lasting 20 minutes is pretty good.
All right, I'm going to sign into Twitch chat and then we're good to go.
This will take like 14 minutes because, you know, how things are just modern.
Wait, what am I not signed into? What are you kidding me?
I don't know what it is on iOS. This app signs me out.
It's annoying. That. Okay, I'm over it.
That was all I mentioned. Tossing your phone screen down no case onto a table.
But no, it's a vinyl D brand skin. It's soft and there's nothing here.
I like, I literally wiped off the spot on the table earlier because I was,
because I did that because I put my screen face down on it. I wouldn't put my screen face down on something that wasn't clean.
All right. Okay. Okay. Also, it's got a ceramic shield.
You trust that? Actually, yeah, it's like really the iPhone glass is crazy strong now.
All right. All right, let's do this thing.
So Linus hates phones confirmed. Well, I mean, all right, resuming the selected.
I do.
Hitting it now. Be careful, even the pre-show can get you pregnant, says smooth brain.
Okay, hold on.
Okay.
Positive vibes, all of y'all. Happy Friday and welcome to the WAN Show.
We've got a great show lined up for you guys today. The new Apple Mac mini looks absolutely flipping outstanding to the point where
I am starting to wonder if you're a non gamer.
Is there any other computer that matters?
I mean, you'll be able to play Cyberpunk on it soon. That's a strong statement. I know, but I might end up standing behind it, depending on how our testing of it
goes. Wow. I'm open to having my opinions changed. But right now I'm liking it a lot.
We're also going to be talking about playing Minecraft with AI.
That's right. AI company, Descartes, Descartes, whatever it doesn't matter.
The point is they've released a playable AI model that was trained on Minecraft that
allows you to play Minecraft without actually playing the game of Minecraft.
Wow. No textures, no game engine, no nothing, just AI.
That sounds like the worst. I, well, we're going to try it. All right.
We get to try it. It's playable in a browser. Very playable.
Doesn't it play it? Oh, no, no, you play it. Oh, you'll figure it out.
He'll figure it out. What else we got? I fixed it, figured it out. And they have fixed McDonald's.
They have fixed McDonald's soft serve machine problem.
So that's good if you want ice cream and good if you care about right for
repair for one particular extremely wealthy company.
Also, multiple people did really cool things with hardware.
Okay. Well, we'll get it. Okay. Not the wealthy company thing. We'll get to that later.
It actually matters a lot. And we have someone who took, I can't find it here is, did it make it?
Ah, yes. Spotify's car thing is saved.
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Let's jump right into our headline topic, which is of course the Apple Mac mini
with their new M four processor.
Apple began the week by announcing a new Mac every day to help keep the.
I mean, doctor away, I guess, right? Like that's got to be the joke.
Is that the joke? I hope so. I guess so. They began with the M four iMac followed, finally, a new iMac followed by the
redesigned Mac mini and a refreshed lineup of MacBook pros.
In addition to the M four, Apple likewise announced the M four pro, which is
available for the Mac mini and MacBook pro lineup and the M four Macs.
Sorry, not the iMac. No, the iMac was only M one last time around.
If I recall correctly, why I'm, I'm, I'm, I could be a little rusty on that.
But if I recall correctly, it was, it was only available because I don't know.
It's just a, it's basically a screen with a basic computer in it.
I think it's kind of the idea. It's the Facebook surfing machine. Sure.
People would probably give them a hard time if it did have a high end processor
in it, because it would be priced so much for such a basic Facebook browsing machine.
All right. Anyway, hold on, hold on, hold on. And the M four Mac. So, okay, and the M four Macs, which is only available in the MacBook pros.
Max with an M four pro or max will now have multiple Thunderbolt five ports
rather than Thunderbolt four, which I'm extremely excited about.
We'll talk about in just a moment here. And for the first time, the newest generation of iMac will have support for two screens.
All right, the Mac mini, though, is the one that I want to talk about because some
of the notes are, we didn't give them much time to work on the notes today.
And unfortunately, I really need to look at the at the dock here one second
or at my spreadsheet where I added the topic and for here we go.
Nope, this is a previous week. Oh boy, we're off to a really good start today.
OK, the Mac mini, Luke, let's go shopping.
OK, that's what I want to do for this segment.
All right. So I'm going to be a Mac and you're going to be a PC.
Oh, so I'm going to go on apple.com. I'm just going to pick another country or region.
So I hold on a blue screen, got him.
So I'm going to go to the United States and you're going to go on PC part picker.
OK, here we go. I'm going to shop for a Mac and you're going to try to build a PC for the same price as me.
So for starters here, let's here we go. Mac mini preorder.
Let's have a look at the price that you're going to be looking at.
So we're going to go with the let's go with the starting Mac mini.
OK, that comes in at five ninety nine US six hundred US dollars.
So Luke, why don't you put together a pretty decent machine for six hundred US dollars?
It's been a while since Luke has really shopped for a computer for a computer because he's gotten them for free
since he started here, which was like 12 years ago before then.
Yeah, I believe I believe in him. I believe that he can do it.
And guys, chat, feel free to pitch in, feel free to pitch in and give Luke some
ideas for starting points for things like, you know, CPU.
If there's any how much are motherboard chipsets he should be looking at motherboard.
My man, there's so much have spiked in a big way to ruin this whole thing.
To be honest, like you used to be able to get a pretty decent board for like
80 US dollars, 90 US dollars. Yeah, yeah, like Canadian.
You'd probably be looking at more like one hundred fifteen one hundred and twenty.
But now like a decent motherboard, you're looking at like more like one hundred
and twenty one hundred and forty US dollars unless you're willing to make some
compromises, there are lower end chipsets, but sometimes they can come with pretty bad
compromises, especially if you want a machine that you're going to be able to
kind of upgrade for a while, add more and about to storage and stuff like that.
So wait, how much do I have six hundred US dollars? Yeah. And you're on PC part picker.
I believe that's in US by default. Yeah, I think so.
Yes. OK, so guys, feel free, feel free to pitch in.
I don't see anyone trying to help you, which is a little discouraging.
Get a forty ninety. Sure.
Oh, man. How much RAM does yours have?
OK, yeah, yeah, yeah. So can I know some specs? Yeah, absolutely.
This is very exciting for the first time, I think ever.
Apple has finally acknowledged that the year is now twenty twenty plus and they
no longer are offering a base model machine with only eight gigs of RAM.
They have sixteen gigs of RAM in that base model. So, Luke, why don't you go ahead and find yourself a sixteen gig?
What are you doing? No, don't just don't don't don't do that. Build a computer.
Jeez. OK, so find yourself a nice sixteen gig of RAM.
Smaller to power buttons in the right place. Memory.
Yeah, sixteen gigs. Yeah, you need sixteen gigs of RAM to match the base model Mac mini.
See, PCs are a little bit too based, which is part of the problem, because they
automatically assume you want two times six. Yeah, you've got filters.
You've got filters. You don't need that. You just need even more RAM.
Yeah, I suppose so. The problem with this whole contest is that we are lowering ourselves.
Oh, my goodness. OK, but we're not actually competing.
Just configure a computer for crying out loud. You politician, you're too good at this.
This guy. How much storage do you have?
OK, that's where things do fall apart a little bit.
I only get two hundred and fifty six gigs of storage.
Can I even select that? I only get two hundred and fifty six gigs of storage.
And that is a pretty frustrating thing that remains still about Apple's lineup
is how much they charge for really small amounts of storage.
And what's especially frustrating about it for me is I know that a big part of why
they're charging so much for it is that the sweet spot for price to capacity has
moved past two hundred and fifty six gigs.
So they're charging so much for it because it's just a terrible value on a
component level to build such a tiny SSD these days.
The sweet spot for capacity is probably more like in the one terabyte range.
Now, with that said, I'm trying to think like how many dies would be on on a one
terabyte drive now? Is it one or two for the most part?
I think it would be two. I haven't looked that closely at them in the last probably year.
So apparently you can do one. Yeah. So that sweet spot is definitely more like in that one terabyte range.
So you are you're basically just like
wasting silicon to make two hundred and fifty six gig storage.
So that's that's going to that's going to kind of impede Luke because he's not
going to get a great deal on his SSD. Yeah, it was 18 bucks.
Whereas if I start, oh, OK, that's not that bad. That's still pretty good, actually.
So it looks like there's a really broad sweet spot these days then because
you'll probably pay. Oh, yeah, no, no, yeah, no, that's yeah, that's a bad deal.
Because the thing is you there's a there's a certain amount of cost that is just in
the cost of making anything at all and shipping it and QA it and developing it.
So there's only so cheap that you can make something. That's why that's why you can buy a hard drive like a modern hard drive for
two hundred and fifty dollars and you can't buy one that is one twentieth the
capacity for twelve dollars because you just you still have to put a motor in it.
You still have to ship it around the world. You still have to pay someone to assembly assemble it.
It's like there's there's there's just fixed costs that are associated with
bringing a product to market at all. OK, sorry, we're back on Luke's laptop.
What do you got? What do you got? Do I need to buy an operating system?
Well, I mean, the Mac comes with one. That's what I thought you were going to say. Well, but with that said, with that said,
we have a video coming in a little while about how Windows doesn't necessarily
you can it can be obtained for a lot less than one hundred and twenty dollars. So why don't you leave? You know what?
I'm nothing if not gracious and benevolent and kind.
Yes, so leave out the operating system. This is where I'm at currently. Take the operating system out. OK.
So we're going to look laptop. OK, what do you what do you got? What do you got? Walk us through it.
Ryzen five seventy six hundred X, which is the first thing I chose.
So I didn't really speck it in too much.
One of the cheapest motherboards I could find. Yeah, it ended up being M.A.T.X.
Yeah, OK. 16 gigs of acceptable RAM.
A SSD that you shouldn't buy, to be completely honest.
But it fits the storage thing of your side.
A relatively cheap M.A.T.X. case. But like attractive, you know, it's all right.
It's not bad. You're going up against Apple. You're going to have to have a reasonably, you know,
a decent looking case. Yeah, it looks nice. Like so I didn't go for just a piece of junk.
And I found one of the cheapest 600 watt power supplies I could find, which is overkill wattage wise.
But I didn't really want to get like something. Yeah, something that Lucas would warn you is going to blow up.
Yeah, this one was decently rated.
Sort of OK. Yeah, sure. OK.
And I've got a little bit more money to play with. Yeah, you've got some more money to spend.
With that said, you might have some you might have some things to kind of deal
with here. Do you have Wi-Fi? Because I do. Yeah, I think so.
Are you sure? I think this board has it, actually. Oh, I'd be pretty surprised at that price point.
Oh, OK. So you're probably going to need some Wi-Fi. Why don't you get some Wi-Fi?
OK, cool. I also need a cooler.
No, no, that should come with a cooler. Are you sure? Yeah, you should be good to go. It looks like the slim box.
Oh, shoot. Oh, that's a 7600. Yeah, yeah, you're going to need a cooler.
Yeah, you'll need a cooler. You'll need a cooler. You'll need some Wi-Fi. I might have some other things to inform you that you're going to need.
But why don't you go ahead and add those first and see how it goes for you?
Do I just get a cooler that I know won't fit in this case at all? I'm not worried about it.
No, no, I think you're probably going to need a cooler that fits in your case.
It's my guy. I could get something huge and it would be cool.
Yeah, you could just hot rod it, you know, stick out the side of the case.
I won't get something way too big, but I also just like don't actually know what
would fit in here. I don't know.
Maybe you guys can maybe you guys can help them. Maybe you guys can help them a little bit.
Like a low profile AM5 $55 for a knock to a cooler.
Yeah, I don't think we're going to be doing that. I think PC Part Picker has clearance.
I assume that this one fits. Sure. You know what? It's not mad at me. Good enough. OK, go find a Wi-Fi card.
Or do I just upgrade the motherboard? You could upgrade to a motherboard with on-board Wi-Fi.
Yeah, totally. Hundred bucks. Let's see if I bonk that out what I can get.
He bonked it. You can filter by having Wi-Fi, I think. This is only like twenty something dollars more.
Is there a Wi-Fi thing? Probably. I would think so.
They've got pretty good, pretty good filters. On-board Ethernet, on-board video.
I believe. Hey, look at that. Oh, yeah, you're going to need like pretty good Wi-Fi, by the way.
Your Wi-Fi seven or what? I'm just going to check real quick, but I think so.
It's either that or 60. You know what, I'll allow 60, but I'm going to double.
I'm going to double check what kind of what kind of Wi-Fi I have.
Oh, I mean, Apple has its own issues with shopping.
It doesn't even fricking say 60, apparently. 60. OK, there you go.
OK, so you can have Wi-Fi 60. OK. OK, what are you at?
How are you doing for pricing? It saves me ten dollars.
Five hundred and sixty dollars. Wow, PC is forty dollars ahead.
You're going to need Thunderbolt. Oh, can I sort by that?
I don't this thing. I'll tell you what, I'll allow I'll allow no Thunderbolt.
I'll allow no Thunderbolt, but you will. That what you will need is some USB-C ports.
You got any USB-C ports? I think so. Does the case have any?
That's not the right picture.
Yeah, you've got USB-C. At least one. You've got at least one.
Does your motherboard support it? Does it have a front header for USB-C?
Oh. Oh.
Oh, man.
What do you got? What do you got, Luke? Trying to see.
Oh, yeah, USB 3.2 Gen 1 headers. Let's go.
Yeah, you got it. You got it. If that's if that's suspects for the board there.
But you have an ITX board? Yeah, and now we have an MATX case.
You're making me change things on the fly, my guy. Well, look, I'm just I'm trying to I'm just trying to help.
The RAM still fits. Everything's still technically worse. I'm just trying to help you beat me.
You need a 10 core CPU.
Language. I didn't actually say a word. I just made a sound.
If it's got a Thunderbolt, then it needs to be Intel, right?
No, no. He gave me a pass on that one. And you have before is in some ways functionally the same.
Don't mention the graphics.
So OK, where's your 10 core CPU at?
Hold on. Is there a core count? Yeah, there we go. Oh, wait, no, other way around.
Now, technically, every word is just a sound. So we don't need to get into technicalities.
OK, so here we go. See, I actually can't because I can only get better than that.
Unfortunately, also not all cores are made the same.
Your cores are going to need to be pretty good.
I mean, we don't need to we don't need to get into that. Also, you're going to need a pretty decent GPU.
OK, why don't you throw just for the sake of argument?
Why don't you throw like a 3050? Why don't you throw a 3050 in there?
That's what you're saying is a pretty good GPU. Well, it's on board.
You're going to need you're going to need what would be an extremely good
on board GPU.
California 909 says 10 core ARM isn't the same as 10 core x86.
California 909 needs to get caught up on some tech tips because
ARM versus x86 is not the whole story.
It's it's it's down to the actual design of the cores.
And no, that is not the case.
Do we have to do the 10 core thing? Because there's actually just like not very many of those.
Tell you what? Tell you what? As long as you have a really solid eight core CPU, I'll allow it.
OK, current gen. Yeah, yeah, you're not going to be a 7000 series.
No, that's not current.
Now that he's working on Labs, he's going to be such a liability on the web show.
Oh, man, that's great. Wait, so is that the processor that I had?
No, you had a 7000 series. You're going to need 9000 series, my guy.
Oh, but no one actually likes those. I mean, it doesn't matter.
You're going to need a they're not very good. They're they're fast and efficient.
I mean, I'm going to draw way less power than even 7000 series fine.
As long as you got eight cores, I'll allow it. Yeah, eight cores. I genuinely think that processor was fine.
All right. How are you doing over there? Good gravy.
Goodness gracious GPU is really the problem.
I mean, the whole thing is really the problem. Now I'm now it's my turn to show you have integrated graphics.
Now it's my turn to shop. Yeah, but like not good enough.
They don't compare. Check this out for six hundred dollars.
I'm getting a 10 core CPU, whatever 10 core GPU means.
But their their onboard GPU on M4 is quite quite nice.
Sixteen, what if you make that storage a respectable amount?
Well, we'll get what happens to the competition. Then we'll get to that in a minute.
First up, I'm getting 16 gigs of unified memory and 256 gigs of SSD storage,
which, honestly speaking, I actually don't mind as much as them nerfing the RAM.
Oh, because as someone who's going to use a NAS anyway and who doesn't need storage
on my PC, honestly, we tried to roll out.
Sorry to cut you off. But we tried to roll out some new standardized laptops.
They don't they don't know about this too to the business team. And we got we got viciously screamed and yelled at by your employees
because of not having enough RAM. No, they were fine.
But 16 gigs of RAM, they didn't like it. Really? Yeah. Who? Sorry, what?
This team capping out too many tabs. They have so many Chrome tabs.
That is hilarious. So I think two or three laptops for some people because they have so many tabs
that they just explodes. OK, interesting.
Yeah. All right. So let's go let's go back to my customizing my Mac mini to configure your RAM up
and your and your storage up. Well, yeah, but you only have 16 gigs of RAM.
So that would affect your budget. Hold on, we'll get to it. I suspect years ago.
The point is I don't mind the SSD that much because I'm using a NAS for storage anyway.
All right, I got three Thunderbolt 4 ports. I have an HDMI port, a couple USB-C ports in addition to my Thunderbolt ports.
And Jack, OK. Hold on, hold on. We're going to get we're going to get to RAM.
We're going to get to RAM in a second. First of all, expensive. I don't want to talk about this.
First of all, for my for my NAS, I, you know, I'm going to need 10 gig.
And I don't really need Final Cut Pro or Logic Pro. That's fair.
The point is at the starting at the base configuration.
This good enough for most people is an absolutely killer machine.
Yeah, is the only thing that I think that I would recommend for like
Grand Papi needs a needs a computer.
Mac Minis have been killer for a long time. And this is honestly a very good jump.
Dude, there's definitely going to be some stuff for us to talk about in the review,
like the fact that they put the power button on the bottom. It's like, why?
How often are you turning off your computer? Why? Yeah, but who cares?
Why? It's like. Aesthetics.
You know, they redesigned the mouse again and they put
the charger on the bottom again. Is there an Apple logo on the top of it?
Again, they put the charger on the bottom again. Is there an Apple logo on the top of the Mac Mini?
Like it's just here.
We can see the whole gallery. Right, right.
They should just made that the power button. Look, and it should glow. It should glow like the old Mac.
Yeah, why not? Sure. Where am I going to put my coffee then? Oh, my goodness.
Anyway, the point is the point is that I don't like this.
This thing is absolutely killer until the second you want to upgrade it.
So this is where things do get a little bit more complicated.
You can see that maybe the eight hundred dollar configuration changes only
that you get two hundred and fifty six gigs of storage trash.
So for context, let's just fire up the old new egg dot com.
What would two hundred fifty six gigs?
Actually, you know what? No, let's see what two terabytes of of storage would cost me over on new egg dot
look on is like gotta be basically a minimum of pretty normal.
These four hundred fifty four dollars. That's a nice WD black drive.
Like there's a cheaper Samsung one right below it. And even that is a nice one is even cheaper brand name drive.
Yeah, that is a nine ninety Evo. That is a that is a really I'm fairly certain for two terabytes.
You can get under a hundred bucks. That's a nice SSD.
So Apple is literally charging an order of magnitude more
than commodity SSD pricing for a storage upgrade.
Speaking of which, oh, shoot, I forgot to have this added to the dock.
But someone someone like hacked together
Apple SSD upgrade harness or something.
Oh, no, I can't find it. I can't find it.
If someone can find it, send it to me. But someone made a way to upgrade the SSDs in in Max like some hardware
hardware hacker. And then things don't get much better.
A mere eight gigs of memory. OK, so that appears to be the only upgrade going from the eight hundred
dollar configuration to the thousand dollar configuration.
I get eight more gigs of RAM. That will cost me another two hundred dollars.
Going to the context for context.
Here's thirty two gigs of DDR5.
Sorry, sorry, for context. Here's sixty four gigs of DDR5.
Whoopsie doodles for two hundred dollars.
So go into the resist loop. We don't need to do sixty four gigs.
Let's not let's not resist brother.
But let's go to thirty two gigs on the Apple configurator and a two terabyte SSD and how much does that cost?
All right. All right. Let me start with my base. Let me start with my base configuration.
So you're going to make the business team would not accept. You're going to make me go all the way to 16 gigs and a two terabyte SSD.
And I think two terabyte SSD is fair. Just as a reminder, guys, just as a reminder.
Oh, my gosh. We just spent, OK, on New Egg for sixty four gigs of memory and a two terabyte SSD.
We just spent about three hundred fifty dollars.
We went from a six hundred dollar machine buying half as much memory,
half as much memory and the same and actually less storage, a slightly less
storage, because we had the two fifty six gig to start. We went from a six hundred dollar machine to an eighteen hundred dollar computer.
That's how they get you. That's a rip. That's a rip right there.
That's how they get you. Apple gives you the first hit for cheap.
Now I can just like get whatever I want. Yeah. Yeah.
You can have whatever you like.
So I think that our review of the M4 Mac mini is going to be a little
bit complicated because as a basic machine that kind of does
ninety eight percent of what any non-gamer.
So we're talking non-gamers. It'll probably do ninety eight percent of what ninety plus percent of people would
need and it'll do it for a long time. Apple supports their products with software for a very long time.
And that used to be a major strength for the PC platform.
But I feel like it's actually been a little less. Things have been a little bumpy with trusted platform modules
with vulnerabilities that are only getting patched back a couple of generations.
Yeah. You've got to you've got to give credit to Apple for the things that they do well
at that entry level price. This thing absolutely slaps.
But as soon as you start tweaking anything Luke sitting over here building
an eighteen hundred dollar computer right now I guess having fun. Is that what you're working on?
OK. Well let's see. Let's see. Let's see how you're doing over. Upgraded to a seventy hundred X 3D.
Yeah. Upgraded to a forty seventy.
Yeah. I haven't changed the like the SSD or the RAM yet. But that honestly won't increase the price much.
OK. I think I think you owe Apple a motherboard with like some USB four ports.
That's fair. Yeah. You know we're going to be if we're going to be somewhat fair to Apple here.
I barely even really started. Yeah. People want to see like a forty seven year something like that.
Like let's help perform this. It was a forty seventy. Oh did you know. Yeah. That was a forty seventy in there.
Motherboard shopping. Oh boy. That's fine. Just use filters.
You got this. He's got this.
Not to mention that you're going to have all the PC like DIY PC benefits of you
know PCI express slots that you can expand. And if you go AM five in particular which AMD has committed to support until I
believe it's twenty twenty seven you may.
Oh sorry. That's something in my eye there. You may see future upgrades to the CPU that Luke has chosen.
For example, that might offer
measurable performance improvements potentially put allegedly.
What you got there. Do you find a motherboard? I still need Thunderbolt right. No no no. We're not doing that.
As long as you got USB four and you got a decent number of USB-C ports. I think this board is actually pretty legit then in regards to features.
OK. All right. Cool. Cool. What else you got. You got probably get a better cooler.
You could probably get more RAM if you wanted. What are you even at for your price?
Thirteen sixty. You're at thirteen hundred fifty dollars.
Wow. Let's get. Yeah. Thirty two gigs of RAM. Why not. That seems pretty good.
All right. It's less than a hundred bucks. Well I think we've made our point on this topic.
We can move on. I got a four terabyte drive just for fun.
I'm still under your budget. You got to rub it in like that.
All right. I see how it is. I could get a sick knock to a cooler as well.
I'll still be under budget. Yeah. Well your computer is like huge. So the Mac mini is mini.
So get rekt. It is. Yeah. Get rekt. Get rekt. I win. I declare victory for Team Apple.
Unapologetically declare victory. All right. What do you want to talk about next?
Let's do some of these modern things.
This was a really cool week for for modifications. Do you want to do the car thing or do you want to do the steam deck framework?
Yes. All right. No, I wasn't answering your question.
OK, whatever you picked what you like picked one. OK, the best deck.
Yeah, this thing is really cool. Do you want to go for it? No, no. Do it.
Modern Beth Lee Lee Lee. I'm going to go with Lee has designed her own gaming handheld built around a framework
13 laptop mainboard. If she worked on textiles instead of technology, she could be Bethlehem.
Bethlehem. Wow.
Wow. OK. All right.
You're not going to ding them. All right. There we go.
Sorry, I'm still in shock. That was intense.
Yeah.
Anyways, it's called the I'm trying to show a picture, but
we talked about this a little bit on the pre show, dude. It's so impossible.
It is to use the internet now. It looks so cool.
Oh my goodness. Anyways, they posted 3D print files for the handheld case to printables and designed
it as a part of an ongoing competition on the site to make a cool framework
mainboard case included with the files as a list of necessary parts in the description.
What? No way. That's awesome. Like screws and an eight inch 900p touchscreen.
All the listed parts apparently cost around 200 bucks before shipping.
But that doesn't include the framework main board, the framework battery,
RAM, SSD or a Wi-Fi card. That's a lot up. You can get all that from framework.
The Beth deck is entirely solderless except for the listed speakers,
but they don't actually recommend them because they they sound like I press a button.
I did the thing. I was a good boy.
And are too powerful for the small handheld. They claimed that the whole thing can be assembled in about 15 minutes and disassembled
in less than two minutes or zero if you try hard enough.
There are some issues with the design aside from the speaker.
The left joystick is a little bit sticky, apparently the battery can overheat and
the power button flies off and out the window during disassembly.
Due to these quirks and the design's popularity, they're releasing a 1.5 version on November 8th to fix the smaller problems.
Beth is also designing a thinner and lighter 2.0 version,
which will apparently feature a custom PCB for the controls and better speakers.
Wow. Dude, this is so sick.
It looks actually like really cool investment disclosure.
I'm invested in framework. This is amazing.
So I want to try this for a ShortCircuit video. That actually be kind of I don't know if that's a ShortCircuit video,
but I said it's you make it in 20 minutes.
Oh, I mean, the whole thing can be assembled in 15 minutes and it's solderless.
I guess, theoretically, that's a lot of prep for a ShortCircuit video.
That is true, sourcing everything and all that. So no promises that it would be ShortCircuit,
but I think I feel like I'd be kind of down to try it.
Could be fun on an LTT, I don't know. The value proposition may be not amazing.
It's not going to be great, but that's also potentially true for frameworks.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. For the course with highly repairable things sometimes.
I think it's really awesome. I think it's super cool. Great work, Beth.
Keep it going. I love that they're like making a second revision and stuff.
Yeah, like this is more interesting to me than than just a Steam Deck.
I don't know. Seems cool. I mean, to be clear, there's still great things about the Steam Deck, Steam OS.
Oh, yeah. Freaking awesome. This obviously doesn't have track pads.
The audio is tuned really well in the Steam Deck. It uses especially the new OLED one uses a beautiful OLED display with HDR.
Like, let's be very clear. This is not the thing to buy if you just want
a smooth, seamless portable gaming experience.
But say you're in the framework ecosystem. Sure. Upgrading your laptop.
Sure. This is a pretty legit thing to do with your old mother.
That's so sick. Compared to what most old laptops get used for.
Yeah. Like, yeah. Either nothing or or a very small, uncool task.
The number of like tech upgrade videos that we've done or off-site shoots that
we've done in people's homes, basically, where their old tech is just abandoned in a bag somewhere or behind a shelf
somewhere, whatever, turned into a handheld gaming machine. What if you could take it with you on the go?
So sick. Very cool. Do you want to talk with the other one?
Sure. Yeah, let's do that. Near the bottom of the dock, I think, yeah, it's right above the sponsors.
Spotify's car thing has, I would say, I watch this whole video.
It's actually really good. I would say it's straight up saved.
It says, is saved question mark on the dock, but like, no, this is actually amazing.
YouTuber Dammit Jeff released a video this week discussing custom firmware for
Spotify's car thing, a $90 device. The music streaming company will be remotely bricking in two months.
By the way, that's really stupid. Yeah, not cool.
So before then, there's Desk Thing, a firmware that has its own companion app
for your PC, and that also has an app store for your car thing.
That is so cool. There's Glantz Thing, which in addition is still controlling Spotify playback.
It allows you to add shortcuts to launch apps on your PC, similar to something
like a stream deck. That's super cool.
And then there's Nocturne, which isn't officially out yet and is the only
firmware that managed to get the car thing's original features working, which is
pretty cool. For now, it requires a host device for networking capabilities
and whatnot. There's also other things you can do with it as well.
Apparently, modders have determined car thing will still be moddable after the
brick date as well, which is cool. And honestly, I would really just highly recommend watching the video.
It's actually just really cool what they've done with it.
Jeff or or damn it, Jeff, also goes over as you can see. Yeah, really cool ways to mount it and like 3D printed little things like he has
two different ways that you can just mount it so it sits on your desk.
And then there's that one where it's actually magnetically held there.
That is so cool. So it's held under his monitor, but you can just pull it off and move it somewhere
else. Really cool. I think it's magnetically held at least.
But yeah, really awesome. Come on, darn it.
Very cool video. The preview doesn't show you.
See, if I click a preview, my expectation is that it will take me to a frame that
shows that is anyway. The point is you guys should watch the video anyway.
Don't look at don't don't look at us looking at the video. Look at the video for yourself.
Fantastic video, really cool project. I thought it was so cool that I was like, hey, maybe I actually want one of these
things and then you went on eBay and found out that they're like over twice as
much as they originally were. What?
Like our notes are like 90 dollar device because it was.
It was a 90 dollar device. Here we go. It is no longer a 90 dollar device.
Hot option. Like a three hundred dollar device.
Spotify had no idea what they had. What the heck? They didn't know what they had.
Damn it, Jeff. Oh, man.
His username could not be more perfect. Yeah.
Yeah, this is why we can't have nice broken things, Jeff.
You're fixed in CPUs and motherboards. He's fixed in car things.
Typical Jeffs. It's all ruined. Way to go, Jeffs.
As a group, I just I don't condone you. I can't condone you.
Just **** it, Jeff. But yeah, it's super, super cool.
All the Jeffs in chat apologizing. You should literally mid video.
I paused it, opened up eBay and was like car thing and I opened up eBay,
Canada and looked up car thing and I was like, oh, they're just trying to scan
people that don't know, I'll go to the American one and it was just worse.
What? Yep. Oh, man.
Oh, well. I knew it's time for us to explain.
Merch messages.
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We do merge messages through because of a combination of features on other
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We've got all kinds of great stuff on lttstore.com, including an exciting new
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When show corkboard.
Wow. Does it come with the pins? No. Oh, you have to get your own pins.
Oh, but we've had lots of pins. I asked the team, I was like, do we have any new pins to announce with it?
And they were like, nope. And I was like, oh, you could mount your pins there.
That's cool. Are you are you for real right now?
I mean, I don't have corkboards or or am I a pin collector?
So I didn't really put it together. But I didn't put together putting your store pins.
You are for real. No, no, no, look, look, look, look in the on the store.
They don't use it that way. I mean, yeah, I guess.
I mean, you could scroll down a little. Do they end up using it?
No. No.
No, there's no, there's no examples of this. Wait, shut up.
Keep scrolling. Are there not more pictures? Oh, this is the last one.
That's it. We didn't put any LTD pins on it in the pictures. No. Oh.
Well. We've definitely done pin collections in the past.
It's also not in the related products. The inspiration for doing this was definitely for people to be able to put their
LTD pins on them. Well, maybe we can put a picture of that somewhere because I looked at this picture
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but I didn't think about it being like a collection thing. I forgot we saw Thanos Glove for a Thanos Glove for LTD store pins.
Already oof. Anyway, nothing shows. I'll read the thing.
I'll read the thing. Nothing shows your passion for tech more than a snazzy new cork board that lets
people know you watch two big nerds talk about it for hours every week.
Yeah, it comes with six push pins, which are already inserted into the side,
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It's one power bar key is already attached.
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We have a packed November for our Flowplain members.
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We will also have a new person week airing mid late month.
It's going to be Elijah week.
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I don't know, apparently. Hold on.
Someone says, no, it doesn't list me there. So maybe they finally removed it for real.
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I'm going, I'm going.
It was here that night. It used to be next to the dot com.
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Well, that's good then. All right, why don't we do a couple of merge messages?
Sure. Hit me. Hey, guys, Linus, have you seen the trailers for Claire Obscure Expedition 33?
What now? As a fellow turn based JRPG fan.
I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm super excited for it. Claire Claire Obscure Expedition 33.
That's not even that's not on my radar at all yet.
What is this? I don't know. It's coming in next year.
OK, from who?
Interesting. Multi-platform release. That's always nice to see.
Cast reveal trailer.
I mean, it definitely has a vibe so far.
But no, this is this is the first that I'm hearing of it.
So this might have to be something that I'll have to throw on my list.
Reactive turn based combat.
Dodge parry encounter. I mean, that doesn't necessarily like mean that it's bad.
Super Mario RPG is kind of the reason why I reacted that way is when people say
what the combat is and they don't show it, I always get suspicious.
I mean, it seems like it's pretty early. It's made by.
Sandfall interactive. Sandfall, what are they known for?
Publisher Kepler interactive. I have no idea.
Sandfall interactive.
Games list. What have you guys done before?
I think this might be the first one. Oh, good luck, everyone.
Yeah. CTO comes from Ubisoft.
CEO comes from Ubisoft. This is an Ubisoft Splinter company.
Oh, OK. As in as in
people from Ubisoft left and made this, not it is an Ubisoft company.
Well, hopefully they're the good people from Ubisoft because they had to have gone
somewhere. My way too short video that I made was about how this is happening a lot now.
Yeah. So. And I mean, there is obviously a period of pain
right now in the games industry. Oh, yeah. But what I hope is that projects like this.
Totally. Companies like this are wildly successful.
And we see kind of a.
The growth that comes after the volcano, you know.
And to be clear, the people that are that are suffering in the layoffs and the
upheaval, it's not fun for anyone.
It's it's terrible. But if there was a good outcome that could happen,
stuff like this and and and the success of stuff like this would be it.
Yeah, I recognize the CEO's name.
So I'm trying to look up what they've done.
And my Google food is failing right now, but I recognize the CEO's name.
And yeah, I mean, I hope it does well. I am I am hoping for basically any of these companies where people split off from
one of these big developers that are failing pretty hard right now.
And they try to make something themselves. I have I have big hopes for all of them.
So I hope this one works out as well.
Yeah. All right.
One more hit me, Dan. Sure. Third time buyer, first time messenger.
Did you see Jeff Geerling's video on the LDT precision screwdriver?
And how well did you enjoy it? I did see his video.
Watch it. I watched pieces of it.
Like I watched the sections that I thought were most relevant.
I didn't watch like the fidget spinner bit.
Fair enough. Seemed pretty long. I think he's just having fun with it.
But yeah, I agree. I think that hmm.
How do I put this? I think that it's ultimately up to every individual user.
What features of a product benefit them the most?
I. Didn't really.
Fully understand some of the
preferences, like as as someone who has worked on small electronics, a fair bit over
the years, be they laptops or phones or game consoles or controllers or whatever
the case may be, you know, I don't see a clear benefit to having a longer
hex portion of the bit, whereas I do see a very clear benefit to having a longer
blade portion of a bit because it happens so often that
plastic housings will be will will leave a screw deeply recessed and having a
longer having a longer blade for me means I'll be reaching for the dedicated
precision fixed drivers a lot less often than than I otherwise would have to.
I was a little confused that more.
Hmm.
Well, he compared it against their plastic one when they have a metal one, right?
Yeah, I don't.
Yeah, yes.
And their metal one doesn't have the the bit storage. So I think he might have gone from a feature standpoint.
So he went bit storage against bit storage instead of metal driver, metal premium
driver is his metal premium driver. I don't know.
Something that, you know, like to me, as someone who has used a precision
screwdriver a lot, something that would have been apparent to me very
immediately about our driver is the superior magnetic strength compared to
other precision drivers. It's one of those little things that we don't cheap out on that
or I shouldn't even say don't cheap out on because having a magnet at all means
you didn't cheap out on the design in my opinion.
But that we we spent extra time and we spent extra money to to ensure that it
was a really good experience. It's one of those things that we do that should be.
Again, pretty immediately apparent, but didn't really seem to.
Draw much attention. So I don't know.
I mean, look, the reality of it is, obviously, I think our product is great
or I never would have greenlit the release of it.
So you can't really take my opinion.
And as I always say,
you know, you should get multiple you should get you should take multiple opinions
anytime you're looking to buy a product. So whether it's reviews on our site or whether it's, you know, other creators
that we sent creator additions out to, you know, all we ask for is the possibility
that they will maybe consider talking about it with their own authentic voice.
And their own honest opinions.
And so, yeah, you know, that what that means is that every once in a while,
we're going to send out a driver and someone's going to like it a lot.
And every once in a while, we're going to send out a driver and someone's not
going to like it that much. And and, you know, that's.
That's that's how it works. So as far as my understanding goes, the the cheaper one that has bit storage,
the cap doesn't spin so you don't have that palm turn. I think it spins a little, but not much.
Not not well. I haven't used it directly. So I don't know. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know. It's it's interesting.
All right. What do we do next? The comments on that video are.
Are pretty. I have no comment on the comments. Have you read the comments?
US judges are using algorithmic tools just kind of whenever they feel like it.
Original article here is from the Verge and both it and actually speaking of
comments, the comments section on that video are on that article are worth
having a look at because there's kind of an interesting debate and what side of
the debate you land on, I guess, you know, can be up to you to kind of see how
you feel about it. But I think it's really worth a read.
Dan, if you don't mind throwing the link to the Verge article into the into
the various chats, I'd appreciate that very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
But here's kind of the here's kind of the gist of it.
And an always time strapped court system in the US is increasingly turning to
risk assessment algorithms as a way of guiding a judge's decision for whether
to grant bail. So a bailiff, a bailiff inputs the file information and then
the algorithm checks a vast database of past cases and assigns a score low,
medium or high or a number on a scale.
And this this system basically is supposed to algorithmically
suggest what the risk of reoffense might be.
These systems are intended to reduce the impact of personal bias from a judge.
But there's a lot of questions about how well that's actually working.
A recent study published in Social Problems found that judges report
accepting or refusing the advice of these algorithmic tools
selectively for their own human potentially biased reasons.
Judges reported using these tools to quickly process lower stakes cases,
even when they weren't confident in the output that was provided.
So basically it's a it's an algorithmic
armor, you know, it's like a it's a shield against
making a bad judgment call by just kind of going, oh, well, the algorithm said.
Imagine your algorithmic armor had LTT pins on it. However, they also they also admitted that they were leery of accepting
low scores in cases of domestic violence, for example, or other more intimate crimes
due to not trusting the weighing of the algorithm
and also due to concern over their own reputations. To be clear, I 100 percent agree that in a case of an intimate crime or domestic
violence, they should be airing on the side of high risk of reoffense,
not necessarily because the risk of reoffense is necessarily higher,
but because the stakes are so high.
If the risk of reoffense for shoplifting a pack of gum is high,
that I don't I don't care. Whereas if the risk of reoffense of, you know, assault with a deadly weapon
against your spouse is low, vehicular manslaughter, I'll take it.
I'll take a ninety nine percent risk of reoffense for the gum over a three percent
risk of reoffense for spousal assault, you know, like I get it.
I just mean you don't get to selectively decide if the algorithm works or not
based on your own feeling in the moment, because that's basically just
your own feeling in the moment with extra steps.
The judges reported using the apparent authority of these systems to defend
unpopular decisions as well.
All in all, the judges were using their own moral views as a ruler to determine
whether or not the algorithm was legitimate and would shift
how they felt about it from case to case.
Um, other studies have raised questions about how accurate this system is at
predicting whether a given prisoner will reoffend because they have found
garbage in garbage out problems where biased training data would cause certain
demographics to be rated as more likely to reoffend, even when the individual
in question doesn't have a significant past criminal history.
Demographics are included in theory.
No, but the problem with any algorithmic system
A.I. included is that if you tell it, hey, you can't factor in race, for example,
it will find proxies like the area you live or your income.
Yeah.
So dystopia. Yeah.
Dystopiocracy. That's going to be. But hey, you won't have to pay as much taxes because you won't have to pay the
judges for as many hours. Yeah, I guess.
Until they just press that button and then sit in the office and judge it on the phone.
It is super amazing how easily dismantled the whole taxes or theft argument is.
Oh, and how quickly, how quickly people change their tune.
If if the public resources available to them that they need are not there
because they didn't pay for them. Loot car taxis here if you want to get going.
With that said, I am 100% angry as everyone should be about the way
my tax dollars are wasted. They are not efficiently used.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But whether taxes as a concept.
Dude. Should exist. It's like, well, yeah, but the problem is corruption.
I told you the whole was it invasive deer?
I think it was on that one island.
Have I told you this story? The invasive deer. Sorry, what now? Let me try to find this up.
Look this up. Hold on. Your DC Island helicopter sniper.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you told me about this.
OK, all right. Tax dollars are spent extremely well.
There are there are no problems
with tax dollars. Tax dollars are fine. We need to get rid of some invasive deer that the hunters would really,
really like to go after to the point where they would pay you to take these deer out.
So why don't we spend over three quarters of million dollars? Let's get some Americans to come up over the border, bring a helicopter
and go hunting with sniper rifles in the air to take out 84 deer and let's
spend almost a million dollars on it. Let's go.
Trig says that's only ten thousand dollars a deer, Luke.
Isn't it like the emu war in the in Australia?
That was a little bit more real. They deployed the army and still lost.
Yeah, yeah. This is this is 84 deer, dude.
But that hunters used to just hunt for them.
Please. And it was fine. Don't bring this up again. It makes me rationally angry.
You could gain tax dollars. Instead, you spent them.
As someone who pays a lot of taxes,
I promise you that this makes me far more angry than my currently calm,
composed demeanor would suggest. So I can't like it actually hurts my.
Yeah, look, look, hold on. Sorry. The cost of the first phase,
which includes the helicopter and marksman from the US and New Zealand,
for some reason, is about eight hundred and thirty four thousand.
Don't go that much. That's only the first phase. The eradication is part of a nearly six million dollar multi year project
to restore the land. OK, that's cool.
Sick. Meanwhile, do you know what's going on in Surrey schools?
No. Oh, instead of having a fixed school day,
like, you know, eight thirty to three p.m. Or whatever I've heard about this.
They have staggered school days.
So some students and therefore teachers start earlier and end earlier and some
start later and end later, vastly extending the potential school day,
making after school care and after school
like activity planning for parents like a flip nightmare,
not to mention inconveniencing teachers who if you're on the high school basketball
team and you want the school that you're playing against does late hours and your
school does early hours. It's student by student.
Yeah, so you might and this is because we don't have enough capacity.
It's it's a whole it's a whole thing. Yeah, basically, I don't have to explain this.
People in the chat are picking up what I'm throwing down pretty quick here. It's a nightmare.
But thank the maker. We got rid of those deer.
And to be clear, this is Parks Canada. This is federal.
This is provincial and municipal. It's not it's not actually necessarily the same
the same coffers that were robbed to go on a little shooting expedition.
You got to you got to assume that. You know, like someone was buddies with someone to get the assignment to go.
People, do you know how much people would pay to go helicopter deer hunting?
Oh, yeah. Like, oh, yeah. Dude, oh, yeah, you could turn this into a tourist attraction to a huge event.
The number of millions of dollars of tourism
dollars that you could generate for the province by just making this a tourist
attraction over the next few years, you're spending six million dollars.
Are you kidding me? Just tell just tell the hunters of North America,
because I'm sure people would travel for this. Hey, we'll give you a hundred bucks a deer and you don't have to pay us anything.
Dude, no, you know why they shouldn't do that. Problem entirely.
Oh, you know why they're not supposed to do that. Snake rats.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, but if you only gave a license to the parks,
like only people who can kill these deer are sanctioned by us and all of them have
to be accounted for. Maybe that's maybe that would be fine. But if you paper head, then yeah, no.
Viper head argument. Let me see if I can find this.
I haven't heard of this. We're about to get a lesson.
I also know it as rats. I think it's right. I've heard this story a bunch of times.
I don't know if any of them are actually like might be snakes. I don't know what is the original.
I don't remember exactly. Oh, yeah, Viper.
Yeah, I think that the snakes was the original one. Yeah, I don't know. Either way, Cobra heads.
That's it. Yeah, Cobra heads, Indian Cobra head problem.
So the government wanted to get rid of or the local government or whatever wanted
to get, I might say this slightly wrong. I'm sorry, they wanted to get rid of Cobras.
OK, so they were like, OK, well, we'll put a bounty on Cobra heads.
Yeah, so if people find a Cobra and they kill the Cobra, they can hand in the Cobra head
and they make money. What if they put it in a Romanian jail?
Cobra, OK, I got you. That's pretty good.
But they they people just started breeding Cobra's so they could farm Cobra heads.
Got it. And then you always forget that you don't forget the end of it.
OK, so apparently last year locals called two thousand deer at no cost.
And apparently 25 percent of the 84 deer that were called were actually local
noninvasive deer. Oh, great. Probably because they were up in a helicopter.
Yeah, trying to identify a particular species of deer.
Yeah.
I it's it's actually like it.
It actually causes me physical pain. I believe the world is worse and humans are worse for it.
Having known that story. Cool.
The Cobra head story depresses me a lot less. You've got to finish the head story.
It's very clear. Didn't I finish it? No, there's an end part as well because everybody's been breeding these Cobra's
and then the government goes, oh, people are breeding them and then they get rid of the bounty and then they just release all of the Cobra's.
So now it's even worse than before. Yeah, you think they just kill them?
No, but like they keep like why would I bother now? Snakes are gross.
Well, yeah, but I honestly I would think it's like kind of a hassle to release a Cobra.
I'm assuming it because you'd have to be near it, you know, or something. Just dump it off, toss it out the window.
Yeah, dump it off a building. Yeah, I guess, but like wouldn't it be easier to just not do anything and just
like let it die? Like I don't know, I feel like it's a bit of a protest.
Give us our bounty back because at that point it's a business for people, right?
Yeah, I could see that. You ruined my business. Yeah, put them on planes.
Thanks Travis. Also, the quotes about the 2000 year whatever that was from creator
host Sebastian, I don't know if I mentioned that or not. All right, thanks, Sebastian.
Yeah, I just like my goodness. I don't know how we got on that topic.
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Okta, so many of these things people get
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Why don't we do a merge message? If you want, yeah, sure.
Are people enjoying the court board? It seems like a weird thing to...
Oh, if only we sold pins. Yeah, I don't know.
What a weird, unexpected, unique use case. You never, you never know, you know, when you, when you develop a product, you know,
if it'll ever make it to the finish line, if people will like it. Oh, people like court, court boards.
OK, it's cool. Speaking of the scenario that Dennis just gave us.
Yes. If you were interviewing someone,
you're not the interviewee, you're the interviewer. Yeah, and they show up on camera, you know,
you do the webcam thing. Oh, this is a remote interview, to be clear. Yeah, yeah.
They show up on camera, they're in the webcam thing. You can tell they're in the office.
Like at work. And they booked a meeting room. Yeah, it's a it's a bad vibe.
It's a bad vibe. Yeah. Yeah, I, I definitely, that puts me
because it's like, I don't know, it's like, it's like meeting your new man when he's
still with her. You know?
And I'm not saying that you should have the kind of loyalty to an employer that you
would have to a significant other. Definitely not.
But yeah, it's not a good vibe is all I'm saying.
Yeah. Like have the have the class to like,
you know, be somewhere else.
Schedule up for a time when you aren't, you know, clearly.
What if you can tell? Yeah. That
they're like in their car. That's fine.
That's fine. Yeah. So they might even still be like they basically just went outside.
Yeah. Flappy here says it might be their lunch, in which case it should be no problem for
them to step out. Yeah. And yeah, because they're technically using
like they're in a meeting room, like they're using company property.
Yeah, which maybe it was a rental office.
I doubt it. No. I understand what they're saying.
It could also be a co-workspace. Yeah, but usually you can tell.
Yeah. Most office spaces I've I've I've seen this happen in.
Usually you can tell there's like signage in the background or
there's the name of the meeting room on the wall or whatever. We've got a segment for next week's WAN Show.
Yeah. OK, so we're going to do a tier list.
We are going to rank places that people are calling us from.
So, Dan, how's the merge message load this week? Do you have a little bit of time to keep an eye on the on the chat for a bit?
Yeah. OK, cool. So if you want to kind of put them together and we're going to do we're going
to do a tier list next week. And so, guys, if you want to hit up the Floatplane chat for Dan and he can kind
of take some of the good suggestions that he sees and then next week, Luke and I will
rank and we can we can have some, you know, honorable mentions for ones that are funny.
Sure. But in all seriousness, let's rank.
How good of a foot it puts forward for locations that that you that what you would
think when yeah, I think this will be kind of fun.
If we could have a board that if it's possible,
allows me and Luke to rank things on our own without seeing each other's answers.
I don't know. Well, we'll find a fun way to do it. But you could just take that metalboard Sammy had and just like tape a foam thing
in the middle. Yeah, yeah, something like that. Would probably work fine. And then if we just had like little little printout magnets or labels, we could
even just have labels. They don't have to be magnetic. We just peel them off after the show, but we could just put them on just with the
words that would be kind of fun. All right. When I hired Yuki, when I called him to offer him the job effectively,
he was making sushi at the time. And for the entire duration of that conversation, he did not stop making sushi.
That's kind of Chad. It was pretty sick.
I remember when I, when I finally hung up, I was like, huh.
All right. Multifaceted. You know about the swastika that Dennis had on his wall, right?
During his interview?
Dennis Liao. Yeah, no, this actually now rings a bell.
He didn't know what it was. No, he was at a protest.
He was protesting a policy that the the sign, because I couldn't read the sign
because it was in Chinese. So the sign was like, this policy is like Nazism.
Yeah, I read this now. But I had to ask, you know.
Oh, what's that? Because back then, you know,
that kind of stuff hadn't made its way into mainstream acceptance again yet.
I don't know if it's acceptance. I'm trying to go.
Fair enough. Anyway, yeah, so I definitely had to ask.
But yeah, he was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, that.
No, no, no, no. It was either a swastika or was a picture of Hitler.
I can't remember. Either way, it was it was not a good was not a good first impression.
How many of these do you want? I have 31 now. I think that's more than enough.
So why don't we do another message? Yeah, sure.
Give me one sec. Okie dokie.
Merch messages. Hi, Linus and Luke, I have a question for you both.
OK, me and a friend have worked on building a game for a friend and I.
You're welcome. Your grammar has now been corrected. And thank you for sending in your message.
I was correct them for them. And I thought I wouldn't they've been building a game for 7000 hours.
How do we know when it's ready for public beta when you're late in 1000 hours?
What? What do you even that's the base level of a skill?
Right? What? Luke, I mean, that's not what they're asking.
Like milestone wise, about 6,990 hours ago,
to be perfectly honest, to fail fast, fail early. Is your French game fun?
No one's played it.
Come on, both of you are being supremely unhelpful right now, supremely now.
Do it right now. Yeah, yeah, what you want?
Do now, unless it's in alpha and it has been for a while and it's like, actually, all together, I send it to us now.
Oh, where's my key? Yeah, I'm an influencer.
I'll give you a shout out to my 75 followers.
If for public beta, I mean, you can do rolling data with Steam now.
I would try to get some friends that you can trust to not puffery you
and see if they actually have fun with the game. And if they actually have fun with the game,
then yeah, do a public test or do something else. If it's in private alpha or private beta, go public beta, do it in small roll out.
As far as my understanding goes, it's pretty common in the
in the small time game developer kind of space thing for people to
pass their stuff back and forth and get feedback from each other and do things
that way as well. So maybe join like a forum or a discord, probably discord these days and see if there's people that are interested
and willing to do a little play test of your game.
Do that, test the waters. Because there might be something that like you and the person that you're working
on it with and think is just fine because you've done it a trillion times.
But then someone with a new perspective might might run into it and be like,
I don't get this and it might be fairly easy to fix. So I would do it that way first and then then try to hit it with something else.
Or you have to redesign the entire thing, which happens a lot to something that you are okay with.
Nobody seems to be okay with Genesis says that's been a source of hacking too.
Yeah, of course, any, any time that there's file sharing in any community,
it's a source of hacking. You can open it in, in some type of secure system,
whatever. Doesn't pirate software help with this kind of thing?
I have no idea. That sounds like it would be an incredible amount of work
considering the size of greater that he is.
All right, hit us with one more, Dan. Hey, you guys did a sponsored video on sleep buds.
Sure did. How are they? Are you still using them? Also saw the announcement video has 21 million views insane for a product launch
like this. All right, a couple things here. So first of all, even in a sponsored
video, I won't say anything that I do not genuinely believe.
First of all, it's against FTC guidelines. Second of all,
it would completely nuke my credibility.
That doesn't mean I've never said anything that has turned out to not be true.
But what I do make a point of is separating things that are talking
points from the brand and are clearly provided by the brand and things that
I think and I won't say anything about my own opinion that isn't actually
true regardless of whether it is sponsored or not sponsored.
This has nuked many a sponsored deal
caused many an issue for our poor business team, the hardworking souls that they are.
But it is not something that there's any flexibility on for us.
And I have even very recently actually lectured other hosts
and writers about making sure that they hold their ground and do not allow
any words to be put in their mouth that they do not agree with.
One of our writers was told by someone in the production chain,
hey, can you just record this as a pickup in case the brand requires it?
And hopefully we won't have to use it. And it was something that they weren't 100% comfortable with,
not because they didn't like the product or because it was wrong.
It was just a little more enthusiastic than they were.
The tone was not how they actually felt about it. I overheard this conversation and I basically said, look,
I got a really good piece of advice once on a shoot for a car commercial
that I did like years and years ago. And I was told to say something about the definition of the screen
and the center display. And I said, hey, well, OK, what's the actual pixel count?
Because I'm not going to say those words if I don't know that it's like
something that aligns with those words like I'm a tech guy. That's my entire identity is that I wouldn't say high definition
unless it actually had a pixel count that could correspond to high definition.
If you just mean like, like reasonably fine PPI, then I'll have to say that.
Like I have to say what it actually is. And they like gave me a really hard time and they asked me to do the same thing.
They asked me to record it both ways, the way that I wanted to say it,
that hedged and the way that was exactly their words.
And then they would find out and they would, you know, make sure before they do the edit.
And I said, no, I'm not going to do that. You have like 30 people here.
I think you guys can figure it out. This is going to delay us like five minutes.
Just call somebody and find out what the pixel count is. And the DP who was shooting it after they like stormed off
because it was kind of it got kind of heated. And I was like, I'm not going to do it. I need you guys to figure this out.
The DP leans over and he's like, look, I'm on their payroll today.
But good job, never shoot something that you don't believe that you don't want
to be used because they'll use it based and because that's the thing, right?
It's my contract entitles them to everything I shot that day.
I didn't get it in writing that they wouldn't use it. So like from a legal standpoint, unless I can prove we had that conversation,
absolutely will. Yeah, it's not, it's not, it's either not binding or it's not worth
me pursuing at that point. The easier thing to do is to just never shoot it.
So long story short, long story short, the brand got it all figured out
and it turned out their talking points were fine. Sure, it doesn't matter though.
But I just needed to know the principle I needed to know.
And so so coming back to your question, everything I said in the video was true.
I haven't been using them. I haven't been using them every single night.
There are definitely advantages to my regular AirPods pros.
In fact, I used my AirPods pros last night. They're just convenient because I don't, there's no pairing process or anything
like that. However, with that said, my AirPods pros fell out last night and I
woke up and then I woke up really early this morning and they were dead.
So I couldn't put anything back on. So the sleep buds would have fixed both of those problems if I had put in the
effort as I was going to bed of bothering to pair them and put them in.
So yeah, no, they're, they're pretty sweet. As for the, however many, what was it?
Do you set 14 million views on the announcement? It's, what, what, what, what, what, what, what was this?
Oslo. Hold on. I can't even, I can't even find this video.
Oslo sleep. I do not see anything with 21 million views.
Oh, here it is. Never mind. Popular. Okay.
So this channel has 1000 subscribers.
This video is from 11 months ago, has 21 million views and has 12 comments.
Yeah. So. So these are paid views.
So that's how it has 21 million views, which is fine.
When you say that, I think a lot of people are going to interpret that as bodied views.
Oh no, not that. He means it was ran as an advertisement on YouTube.
Yeah. And when an advertisement is ran on YouTube, there is a video that you can go
find that it actually is. It's, they're really just playing a YouTube video before your YouTube video.
So you can find the ad. That's the ad.
But people don't comment on the ad. So there's almost no comments on the video.
In fact, I can show you guys a really fun example of how that works because
that video that Elijah and I worked on for Yvonne's movie night in the pool,
the analytics look super funky for it. Oh no.
Oh, that's right. You can't go back and look at historical real time.
Okay. Well, shoot. Yeah. It's been, it's been too, oh, I might have a, did I take a screenshot?
No, I didn't take a screenshot. Okay. Well, people showed me, but I think it was live on their phone.
The real time view used to look like a really high spike.
And then it went like this. And then it went, and then like another decay.
And then went, and then it went like flat like this.
That is not normal. Normally when you first release a video, it starts high and then it kind of just tapers out.
And then over time, eventually it might kind of, you know, have some spikes and dips and that
kind of thing. But instead this followed a super weird curve compared to our typical.
You can actually see here.
There you go. You can kind of see this was it petering out.
And this was the first ad spend that high sense did.
And then it tapers off a little bit. And then here's some more ad spend and then they stopped.
So it actually reports as normal views in your dashboard.
But you can see this estimated revenue is more reflective of a video that got like
a million and a half views, not 3.8 million views.
So those extra views compared to usual.
So it did well. We're purchased views from high sense.
It didn't do as well as it looks. And what's unfortunate is it kind of mucks with your analytics.
Because this retention looks really bad because most people click off of ads.
So that's something which I think might, we also noticed channel performance went down
a little bit after this video. Like I think that may impact like our, our like channel momentum and stuff too.
So we don't really have, I don't think we have a clear policy for whether someone is allowed
to buy ads against our videos when they sponsor a video. But maybe that's something we'll have to look at.
Because it seems like by juicing this video, we got a lot of like abandonment of this video.
And given that they're going to be targeting our demographic,
if that counts as abandonment of LTT videos, that might mean it's less likely to serve them
the next ones, which is like legit, except that it was an ad.
It wasn't a video that they navigated to. So that kind of makes sense because I expected the case for you to do better.
And I expected the secret shop in my own store video to kind of kill. So we might have to ask brand.
Oh, you know what we could do is we could have a like a garbage channel
and we can ask brands to use the like garbage channel version of the video.
That's an interesting idea. Then do you mind actually sending just a note to actually me?
And I'll follow that up next week. I'll suggest that to the business team because then-
Would you like it scheduled or do you want me to send it to you now? I'll just whenever it is mad. Okay.
Yeah, my inbox is basically my to-do list. Um, yeah, we know the intro is cringe black smoke rise.
It was on purpose.
It, uh, yeah, early spiffing Brit did a video on this and
serving a video as an ad does affect it in the algorithm.
Oh, I understand it will affect that video.
But what I'm wondering is whether it affects the profile of that viewer
that abandoned an LTT video and makes it less likely to serve them LTT.
Because given how hard thought, how hard one momentum like that is
to lose any of it over something like this feels just unnecessary and frustrating.
I don't know that it did.
But, uh, silicoid says how cold was it actually in the pool?
It seemed you guys were really in there for a while. The pool was great.
Being the top half of us being outside the pool was miserable.
In fact, I'd never experienced this before, but with how cold my skin got outside the pool and like rain and cold,
when I finally did jump into the pool, which was still heated, it was crazy.
Cause you know, we keep our pool like quite warm for a pool, but it was still pool temperature, but I got in.
It felt like a hot tub because I've never tried that before.
So that's a thing that, uh, if you've, if you've like done that before,
you'll know, but now I know. For a few months there was doing hot, cold cycles and wow.
Yeah. I would imagine that would be painful because if a pool felt like a hot tub,
a hot type tub would have been like pretty unpleasant, I would think. It was, uh, it wasn't a hot tub.
It was a sauna, but yeah, it was hot.
It was really hot. It was a cold bath and a sauna.
Apparently with spiffing Brits video, you purposely placed the worst audience and interests,
i.e. senior book readers on a video game video,
and that'll nuke all the channels analytics after the spike from ad serving.
Oh, interesting. So yeah, maybe that, maybe we do need to do that.
Okay, cool. Well, we'll get that, we'll get that sorted out and we won't do that again.
Yikes. Want to talk about McDonald soft serve machines?
Yeah. Cause I, uh, I had read an article on this already and it was misleading.
I have read our notes now and I now understand what's going on. What I said at the beginning of the show was wrong.
In response to a petition from iFixit and nonprofit public interest group,
public knowledge, the U S copyright office has granted a partial exemption to the DMCA
that allows restaurant owners to diagnose and repair their own equipment.
And where Luke got a little bit confused and maybe it goes to show you how full of
misinformation internet can be these days. I read an article that said the partial exemption was for McDonald's.
Yeah. Yeah, like I, yeah. Anyway, um, so, so Luke kind of thought, oh, this is like what, to help pad McDonald's
pockets? No. In fact, this is to go against if you, if man, the McDonald's soft serve machines are
such a rabbit hole. It's fascinating. It is actually very interesting.
Very interesting. Yeah. But what this does instead is it actually removes the incentive for McDonald's corporate
and their partners to, um, not allow franchise owners to repair their own equipment because
it turns out those service calls are extremely lucrative.
And if they let them repair their own equipment, it could be done cheaply and faster,
which means more chili treats for you in the summer,
since the machines will be far less likely to be broken.
Um, and it mostly impacts franchise owners who a lot of the time are not huge corporate
fat cats. They are people who have a lot of their monthly revenue, uh, being paid to the huge corporate
fat cats, but actually are just in the restaurant business, which can be a very challenging business.
Um, so this decision is a blow to Taylor, the manufacturer of these machines,
which has historically made a large part of its income from repair calls and has fought
third party attempts to repair its purposely finicky machines.
That's a big part of the rabbit hole is that it does appear as though the machines are
intentionally obtuse and difficult to deal with.
Sick. Yeah. Freakin love it.
Very good. Yeah. There's lots of good videos. People in the chat are recommending Matt Pat's video on it, the whole ice cream machine Fiasco.
Um, I've seen, I've seen other good ones. I wish I could remember right now, but there's definitely really good ones.
You know, this is a, this is weird aside, but I was talking to my brother and my brother's a
firefighter and, uh, they cook, it's like a, a culture thing.
They, they cook all their own meals. So the kitchen in the fire hall is like really important.
The, you know, the, the people that are on probation have to make muffins all the time
and all this kind of stuff. And you're expected to like actually be able to cook pretty well because it's going to cycle
around who's cooking and you're cooking all the meals for all the firefighters that are
on shift that day, right? Yeah. And it rotates who does it. So you're like, you're actually expected to like know what you're doing and be pretty good.
Like he was practicing at home. Um, they have special ovens that will turn off when they get fire calls.
Oh, that's super cool. It's like kind of sick actually.
So clearly they, they have this other problem where the like control panel or something is
where all the steam comes out. So the control panel like fries itself constantly, but then they like have to use that one oven
because it turns itself off when the, so it's like, ah, anyways, there's a lot of good comments
about this clapped for 24 a cord clapped K 24 a cord.
Okay, it doesn't matter. The point is they said fast food equipment in general is ridiculous to repair, way too expensive.
Apparently it's $3,500 to replace a control unit in a Tim Horton's oven.
This is all this is all hearsay.
And then, uh, uh, Nipolas cage says, I work maintenance for corporate 7 11 and the maintenance
game is bullshit. They've been in float playing chat forever.
It's any, any time someone says their name, just like whiz tick says, I'm high as I love float
playing. You guys are awesome. Maybe a little unrelated.
Same here. You're on shift.
This is actually a perfect segue. So, you know, having a little bit of healthy skepticism when you read something on the
internet, I should have had more skepticism last week.
We've got an update on the Congo attack ad.
So remember that thing last week where the teacher supposedly was blaming me for, for
resource mining or whatever else.
Yeah, we have since learned via a post from a second student that was in the same class
that that was a mockup example in a media literacy assignment where students were expected to make
similar pretend attack ads.
The teacher describes himself as a big LTT fan, which is how he became aware that his
attack ad had escaped his classroom, which was the only place it was intended to be seen.
So unfortunate. We have gotten in contact with the teacher in question and asked them, Hey,
do you want an opportunity to tell your side of the story?
And he graciously agreed to send us a pre recorded video statement.
Let's go ahead and play it. Which is so cool.
I was asked to create this video to respond to the Reddit post.
So here I am. So I'm going to go ahead and read the statement that I wrote.
A student recently took a photo of a lesson component out of context and posted it online
where it was shared widely. The isolated image misrepresented the intent and content of the lesson,
leading to a false and hurtful characterization of my views.
The lesson was based on a poem by Derek Walcott's poem elsewhere and focused on highlighting
atrocities happening around the world. Then students were asked to create political attack ads, bringing awareness to set atrocities.
To illustrate these concepts, I created an example ad, which the student then posted online.
It's crucial to understand that this example was for illustrative purposes only,
and did not reflect my personal views.
Linus himself is really good at encouraging people to buy used and refurbished electronics,
and isn't anywhere close to problematic in my eyes.
He's the note nine goat. While the online post was anonymous, it has caused some significant distress for me.
It's disheartening to see my work misconstrued and used to create a misleading narrative,
especially since I'm a big LTT fan, and watch the channel all the time,
which is how I found out about this to begin with.
So to put this whole thing to bed, I don't think Linus is solely responsible
for what happened in the Congo. It was just an example.
That's all, signing out.
What an absolute chat. The version that he recorded is a little different from the written version that I read.
Do not have the note nine goat in it. Yeah, he added some flavor.
Honestly, I think... And he added the bit at the end about how I'm not solely responsible for it.
Which I also thought was pretty funny. I think it's a cool, engaging project to do.
I don't know. He seems like he's probably a fantastic teacher.
Yeah, Ninja Man Away says, send that man some merch. Yeah, I think we need to get him a package.
I think we need to get him a care package. Dan, do you mind noting that down as something to maybe flag that for Mr. AP,
speaking of people who are goaded, our customer care lead over at Creator Warehouse.
Let's get something over to him because we clearly need to make up for all the damage
that we've done to the Congo. Honestly, in a way, it's a super success of the project.
Because it showed the efficacy of this type of stuff. Absolutely.
So his lesson plan just worked way too well. Yeah, he demonstrated how powerful outrage culture can be and how much reach
something can have when it elicits such an emotional response in the viewer.
Yeah, great job. Great job. I'd love to send him something super cool.
We have a handful of photo samples of the new backpack.
I don't know if they're going to let me have any of those, but we'll put something together.
Yeah, the commuter bag.
I was like, are you leaking something here? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't know. We'll figure something out. We'll figure something out, okay? We'll figure something out.
But it'd be cool to get him something like one-of-one or something that's like early
or something cool. I just think it's cool. Because I mean, maybe we should all be used stuff.
I had lots. Stuff we didn't need anymore. I don't want to hurt any more kids in the Congo.
That could be kind of cool. Maybe I have still been carrying the Note 9 even though I'm reviewing their iPhone.
Is this type of thing what we could use the remaining Lambo beanies for?
No. We have a plan for them. Okay, okay, cool.
It's not a great plan. I think it's cool.
I don't know. I had such a rant. I think everybody does. I had such a range of teachers when I was going to school.
I had the teacher that would literally just sit there with the textbook and read it,
or they would put scans of the textbook on the thing and just tell you to read it
when you have the textbook. They might not, it might as well not even be there.
There's no point in going to their class. We had one that literally wasn't there a lot of the time.
He would go to the cafeteria. If he had the block before lunch, he would assign everyone silent reading.
And this is in grade eight when you don't need to do silent reading in class.
He would assign everyone to read and he would disappear for 20 minutes at a time,
out of a 50 minute block. And he'd go to the cafeteria and sample food ahead of time
because he was buddies with the people in the cafeteria. I was like, this is ridiculous.
It is ridiculous. But then you have great teachers, like this guy seems to be,
that'll go to their way to create cool projects and engaging ways
to actually learn. Because at least for me, when I was going to school,
if it was just book work, chance that's getting done is not super high.
But if it was some weird, engaging, different,
not necessarily expected project way to engage with the learning
in a different way, stuff like that, man, I would be all over that. So I don't know.
This seems like a very creative assignment. And I'm really glad that he was kind enough to put himself out there
and come talk about how he actually felt like about that.
Honestly, I think we probably haven't talked enough about how important it is
to articulate the damage that this kind of cyber bullying can cause.
I think he did a great job of just talking about how it made him felt
and what the impact was. You can tell this is someone that has a lot of experience dealing with a**holes,
which let's be honest, a lot of high schools or high schoolers are.
It's a high school teacher. Explaining in the simplest possible terms why doing a bad thing is bad.
Yeah, it was well written, well read as well. Yeah, did a great job.
All right. What else did we got this week?
Dan, what are we supposed to be doing? Instagram head. Yeah, I just don't run out the rest of your topics.
Instagram head confirms they lower the quality of unpopular clips
in a recent video AMA head of Instagram, Adam Mosseri,
stated that the platform demotes unpopular clips to a lower level of video quality.
However, this will reverse if the video gains traction again.
Mosseri claims that it is only a small bump in quality.
Doesn't make competing harder for smaller creators.
Okay, that makes sense. How would they know?
I don't know. It really difficult thing to measure.
Everyone would start as a small creator. Theoretically, it's a level playing field, I guess.
Fair enough. Well, no, but also kind of.
It's a free platform, guys. And at the end of the day, content is king.
A difference NVIDIA quality on a platform like Instagram, where quite frankly, the video all looks like butt anyway.
No one cares. Unfortunately, I wish they did.
Float plain would do better if they did. They don't. It is what it is. Our discussion question is,
would you do the same if you were in their position? Yeah, probably.
All right. See you later. What else we got for today? It's a free, like Dan won't be telling us.
What I would especially do is really old clips that haven't been accessed in a long time.
Oh, that's definitely a thing. Yeah. Like you go back like way far back on like your Facebook timeline
or whatever, and you like try to like open a photo. It takes a second.
You can tell it's grabbing off a hard drive. Yeah, but that's not necessarily the quality level of it.
Oh, this is just bandwidth conservation. Yeah, sure.
Well, it's also probably affected by storage, too, because anything higher quality or more viral
is going to be cashing it way nearer to you. It's on words, defensive storage. And yeah, yeah, yeah, that too.
At the end of the day, architecting this stuff at the scale that they operate at
is extremely complicated. Yeah, and little changes like this,
which I actually believe Adam Moseri,
it probably doesn't really make much of a difference to almost anybody,
but who it is going to make a pretty big difference to
is probably them when it comes to their bills. Like on the scale that Instagram is doing,
this will probably save them tons, but it'll be unlikely to make any real difference
to users or creators. ScrappyDP asks, do old Floatplane clips lose quality?
The answer is no. Floatplane is not growing at,
or even targeting growing at, the kind of exponential rate that you're kind of,
your VC-funded businesses slash- Not even sort of close.
Big tech businesses are expecting. And so even though storage costs
are only falling a little bit these days, compared to how they used to,
our storage costs and our storage needs are kind of doing okay.
So we can maintain everything the way that it was. We do derank, we have ranks of storage,
but not of quality, effectively.
So like if something's not accessed for a long time, it's going to fall back to hard drives.
If something starts getting feverishly accessed, like a Floatplane exclusive LTT thing
or something like that, that'll sit in higher tier storage.
So it can be pulled easier, is what it is.
Wanna play some AI Minecraft? Yes.
AI company, Descartes, has publicly released- It sounded like a duck call.
Yeah, I don't know, my throat was weird. Has publicly released Oasis,
which is a playable AI model trained on Minecraft.
Currently, you can only play for a few minutes at most, and it's only playable on Chrome.
The results are description trippy.
Okay. Do you wanna play, or should I play?
Or like, oh, I'm gonna need a mouse probably. I mean, it's Minecraft, give me a sec, I got one.
Yeah, okay. You play then. Do they call it?
Ow! It's trained on Minecraft.
Is this? This metal board that Sammy had for the stupid- Oh, yikes.
Toilet thing, just whacked me in the shin. Please don't get blood on this yet.
Dude, my head bled from the shoot I did yesterday with David.
I stood up and I hit my head on his Borg computer.
Those are words that'll make sense once you watch the video. Yeah, okay.
Okay.
Zoukaku says Borg computer.
Not Borg, not Borg. Borg computer. Good, good, good.
Dude, we did a bit of a different extreme upgrade,
or ultimate upgrade, or, you know, whichever branding we're using for it right now.
David paid for everything. So instead of having a sponsor for it,
Oh, yeah. No, I like this idea. It's just a video.
We were talking about doing this at some point. Yeah, it's just a video where David's doing an upgrade,
excuse me, anyway, and we make a video about it.
Get some labor. The quid pro quo was, A, that I and Reese would help him with it for the day.
Reese, not Elijah. Maybe I'll go down this route.
Yeah, you might not end up with too many extra holes in the house. Exactly, yeah.
So Reese and I were there for the day helping him with things. So like I built his Esso's computer and, you know,
helped with the mounting of his custom painted USS Enterprise and stuff like that.
And also that we did that video promoting him selling his collection,
which was actually, which got an extra exposure, which helped his budget.
So it was like, and then in return, you know, he's giving us his space and, you know, his upgrade,
and he probably spent some money on things that he probably wouldn't have
to make it a little more interesting. Anyway, dude, I should, I should con you into painting my place.
The space ends up super cool. I did no painting, which was nice.
And I hit my head.
I forget where I was going with this, but in fairness to me, I recently hit my head.
So anyway, oasis. Okay, so it's muted.
You are about to enter a first of its kind video model. Is there sound? A game engine trained by millions of gameplay hours.
Every step you take will shape the environment around you in real time.
So are they going to get sued to all crap?
Hold on, I'm on it. You, which one? There's a volume thing in the top left of oasis.
Did you talk about Willis? Yeah, mute that. Okay, cool.
So that is only coming from that then. Okay. So we're good. So if you make C on mute, here we go, boys.
This.
Okay. What do you want? What do you all want to see?
Can we go for rugged coastline and just go BC?
Okay. A sheer drop from towering peaks crumbling into the ocean below.
Trees balance over the water and waves crash over rocks.
Ready for adventure. Waiting for your turn.
Written by AI. Oh, um, waiting for your turn.
Dang it. Did all of you all jump on here? Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Positioning Q 29 ETA 12 seconds. Oh, okay.
We got this. There's a positioning Q code.
Damn. There it is. Nice. Nice. It's your turn.
Do it.
Okay. Can you press button?
Like, can you select the different items that you have? I mean, I don't know.
I'm just doing stuff here.
Is it super laggy? Oh, it's definitely a little laggy.
Yeah. What? Yeah. What happens if you limit your frame of view and then look up?
Uh, hold on. I'm doing a thing here. Oh, um, okay.
I don't think you are. Okay. So I look up. Oh, no, I meant, I meant like out in the world.
Like, did it change? Yeah. Yeah. There you go.
Trees. Interesting. I don't think it's able to.
Uh huh. Yeah. So like, yeah. Stairway.
Where'd it go?
Is that thing moving? This is like your Minecraft game.
On an asset. Dropped a tat. Yeah. Yeah. Uh,
huh. Okay. What's going to be over this? Honestly, it makes the exploration kind of fun.
All right. Can I, can I build a path for myself?
Like, is that possible? Can I, is that how this works?
Is that how any of this works? Okay.
Yeah. I can.
Maybe with this, Starfield wouldn't have been a useless pile of junk.
No. Oh, okay. Okay. What's up there? What's up there?
I want to, I want to get, I want to see what's supposed to be that.
Are you kidding me? Whoa. It's a structure. Whoa. Whoa. Am I, whoa.
Is that a village? Whoa, dude. I kept going up to like the, but I made my way away from the, the mountain that was, I was on.
There's still like, whoa. Like, did you see what happened there?
Whoa. As you just turn, everything's changing. Yes, I do. I was climbing a mountain and looking up and it became just like whatever was in front of me.
This is some inception kind of stuff, dude. Village gone.
This is crazy. Who needs drugs when you can just play this game?
Well, wait until I have this kind of a stuff for VR.
Wow. Okay. I think I've had enough. Maybe kind of right. So, this is just a glimpse into the future of interactive AI experiences.
What's next? Just imagine.
As far as my understanding goes, they have it, they have some of it running on ASIC cards.
Yeah. The playable model was made possible by super fast inference thanks to an ASIC card with the
model's transformer architecture physically recreated on the chip by Deckart partner etched.
Woo. Our discussion questions are, what do you think of the game?
Well, I mean, it's obviously just Minecraft because it's trained on Minecraft.
How close is it to actual Minecraft? It asks, I mean, in terms of like how it felt to play other than being super leggy,
it felt like Minecraft. Felt like Minecraft. Honestly, yeah, like the movement and everything.
Does it take much to get you there?
Maybe not. Maybe not that much. Jump attack is a whole button.
Yep. Yeah. I didn't try to run. I guess I could have tried to do more things.
Our next question though is, how good is its object permanence?
And there I would say, things fall apart a little bit.
That's the whole reason why the demo is fun. Yeah.
How bad it is, is sort of the most interesting thing about it.
With that said. It's also kind of crazy.
The fact that this exists at all. Yeah. With no game engine.
Yeah. With no... Because it's bad because it's not very playable, but it's also amazing because it exists.
Yeah. The fact that this is a thing at all is mind blowing.
With that said, it is very clear that we are an awful long way away from our GPUs just being
neural processing units and this being a gaming experience that anyone would want.
Yeah. And give it six months. Would be kind of cool if that ended up being an add-in card though.
I'd be down to go back to multiple add-in cards. That'd be sick. Get your physics card in there.
Get your sound card in there. Get your neural card in there.
Well, if NVIDIA has their way, the GPU will eventually morph into a neural PU and then
it'll just have a GPU component on it because you'll always need to output.
And you'll always need to play legacy games and stuff like that.
Pretty cool. Lucky Falkor says it's like the impossible staircase illusion with that mountain.
Yeah, that was trippy because I was trying to look up the mountain and I made my way
to like a landscape in front of me somehow. I was like, okay, I mean, yeah, I guess there is no up NVIDIA games if you think about it.
So why would it, right? Because you could move a mouse up infinitely, theoretically, right?
Like there's no gravity in a video game.
Like it's all artificial. Yeah. Like we create up and we create down.
But this AI model is not constrained by that.
What's up in real life? Exactly. Exactly.
It's away from the center of the earth, but because... But what if you're not on the earth anymore?
Where's up now? No, I just, no, I'm trying to make a point right now.
So up in the video game is away from the center of your thing.
Sorry, what? Center of the game world. Yeah, but it stopped having a center.
Yeah. So like, so theoretically, this AI model is not constrained by that.
You could just, you could just keep going up. You could have more than 360 degrees.
I'm just screwing with it.
Don't worry about it. It's like Xbox.
Yeah. Very cool. Some more of a down guy.
I'm a down enjoyer. Like naturally sourced or artificial.
You know what you might enjoy is using a convenient app that is readily available to track world leaders.
Ah, yeah. According to journalists at French newspaper Le Monde, it is apparently possible to track
the location of President Emmanuel Macron by identifying his bodyguards, many of whom
have public accounts under their legal names, on Strava, a fitness app with social networking elements.
This means that they have been publicly posting their running routes, including geodata.
Which means where are they? Where is the president?
Yes, problem. It is also apparently possible to do the same with other world leaders,
including the US president and both presidential candidates.
This is not a new problem. In 2023, a Russian submarine commander was killed while jogging.
The commander had a Strava account under his own name,
which his assailant may have used to track his regular routes.
This one wasn't bodyguards, it was the actual guy.
Andre B says, wasn't there something about soldiers identifying secret bases the same way?
Yes, I believe that did happen with a secret US military installation of some kind.
There's a lot of these types of problems. There's even more subtle ones that I don't think people really properly consider.
Because when the 2023 thing happened with the Russian submarine commander,
I think that brought to light to a bunch of people like, oh, maybe I should consider this.
One that I point out fairly often when I meet parents of kids and those,
the kid likes playing Pokemon Go and the parent is just like,
you know, being supportive but doesn't really understand what's going on, is I like to point out that when you give gifts in the game,
the gifts come with a postcard of where the gift came from,
and you get gifts in the game by spinning stops, but you are most likely to spin the stop that is closest to your house most often.
So people can figure out where you live based on being friends with you on Pokemon Go.
I don't know.
CH5609 says, this is like people figuring out that
deep s*** was going down because of a higher number of pizza orders
to the Pizza Hut slash Domino's near the Pentagon. That's a long-term thing.
There are actually like trackers for that and stuff,
because it's like a reliable metric that doesn't seem to be becoming less reliable.
Nice. Washington Pizza Index, yeah, exactly. The Pizza Index.
Yeah, this is like totally a thing. YouTube users have been reporting missing view counts and upload dates.
There's a Reddit post from four months ago.
Some users recently though found that there were no longer view counts or upload dates on
YouTube's homepage. This led to reporting that YouTube might be performing another experiment.
YouTube, however, has responded and says this is actually a bug
that is typically experienced by users with certain browser extensions enabled.
The company suggests disabling these extensions and making a report if the issue continues.
So our discussion question here, this just came up because someone flagged it for me recently.
Do you think this is a YouTube experiment or another attack on ad block?
Would you find that it would degrade the experience of YouTube for you
if you didn't know the upload date and how many views a video had?
Yes.
I'm going to play Devil's Advocate. Although I understand why you wouldn't want that,
because it could potentially really help small creators.
I'm going to, why I wouldn't want what?
Why you wouldn't want it to show view counts.
Why I wouldn't want it to? Yeah, because if you're a, if you're a really small creator,
you don't want people to not click on your video just because it has 200 views.
Yeah, no, no, that would be, I could see how that leveled, how that could level the playing field in a big way.
Yeah, yeah. Upload date. Sorry, what would I want, what would I not want though?
Huh? Oh, I thought you said, you said I wouldn't want it.
What would I not want? I was just trying to figure that out. I don't remember the exact reference.
Oh. Of the moment of when I said that. Oh, okay.
I object to this mostly as a user. I'm not really thinking about it as a creator.
However, I'm going to play Devil's Advocate against my own argument.
And I'm going to kind of share an observation
that has materialized for me over a while.
It's bothered me a lot for years that Netflix doesn't show the popularity of things,
like not in a universal way. They'll have like popular for people like you.
You know, they'll have stuff like that. They don't show things like a critical acclaim
or like a rotten tomatoes rating or anything like that.
Basically, they just merchandise the movie or TV show or whatever it is
with photos and descriptions and kind of present it to you.
And algorithmically track what kind of what works for you and what you like and what you don't.
And they kind of, they make that whole thing work, right?
And one of the things that I've observed is that
my family watches almost nothing on Plex
and gravitates towards Netflix far more than Plex
even though the library on Plex is actually much larger.
And I realized for myself that when I go to try to find something to watch on Plex,
it's really hard. And one of the reasons that it kind of, I had kind of a light bulb moment.
One of the reasons is the data.
Having the data of how good something is
makes it so much harder to find something that you know what,
I might actually end up enjoying even if it's not good.
I will almost universally enjoy something that has super high critical acclaim and also audiences love it.
Like the wild robot is outstanding, just go watch it. Don't question it, just go watch it.
It was just a great film. But there are times when I will enjoy something that
is not critically acclaimed. For example, major pain
got a 29% rating on the tomato meter from critics.
And even 68%, like if you know the film,
you'll know that 68% for a film of this genre is actually pretty good.
It's a pretty polarizing film.
And I was thinking about how if I saw something that was rated 29% by critics
and 68% by audiences in my Plex, I probably wouldn't bother watching it.
And so I guess where I'm coming back to in all of this
is maybe the metadata that they give us,
coming back even to like-dislike ratio. Crazy that some things have a relationship when it comes to audience score.
Yeah, I mean, I think the critics were probably right on that one.
And maybe part of it is that you watched Hackers When You Were Young. Yeah.
And I watched it as an adult and I watched Major Pain When I Was Young.
I also think I'm boring to the subject matter.
Have you seen Major Pain? Yes. Oh, okay. And you thought it was like dumb or bad?
No, I thought it was funny. Oh, okay.
So the problem with like-dislike when YouTuber moved that
was that there's a lot of content where it's really important
to be able to see that kind of rating because they don't have a community note system. They don't have anything equivalent.
If a guide for how to repair your dishwasher is not very good.
Or if a moon landing conspiracy video is a conspiracy video
and is like something irrelevant that we shouldn't be watching.
They don't really have an equivalent for that. And so the like-dislike ratio was at least a useful barometer
of potential usefulness or quality.
But view counts, upload dates. Upload date might be.
Upload date, depending on what you're looking for. If what YouTube seeks to be is just an entertainment platform
where people watch as much as possible, why do they seem to be killing evergreen content
if they're going to get rid of upload dates though? I don't know that they're killing evergreen content.
It doesn't seem to be doing as well. We could probably have a much longer conversation about that.
I think some of our evergreen content is struggling a little bit. We upload a lot.
We are tech-centric, which can make even our- So something that's less relevant?
Yeah, even our evergreen content I think is less evergreen than say-
Well, I was going to say comedy, but comedy can- Sometimes at age it's like fine milk.
Depending on the content, some things are more evergreen than others. The guide for how to repair this dishwasher model is evergreen,
because that dishwasher model will always be that dishwasher model. Well, less people have it.
This is true, unless it's a really important one.
And people would restore them. Maybe it's the firehouse one.
Sure. Sure, and people always need to fix it. Anyway, the point is that maybe they could expand people's horizons,
which could be a benefit, even if it comes with some trade-offs, and they could improve their own internal metrics,
which are increasing watch time, by actually giving us far less measurable empirical data about a piece of content.
Thoughts. I might enjoy my Plex Library more.
What I'm trying to say is I might enjoy my Plex Library more
if I didn't know how good something was.
I think there's too many things that I watch on YouTube
that the- like think about Wansho, Wansho Vods.
You're watching a Wansho that's two years old. It is out of date.
Sort of. We have a lot of conversations that are useful for the history of tech,
and that are not on topic. Yeah, history of tech, though.
Sure. So what if we have a Wansho, and the title is like,
Google kill the company again?
And then you're like, oh, what did they kill this time? And then you're like, wait, how long does it take you to figure out
that this happened years ago, and they're not talking about the 87 things that they've killed in between then and now?
Like, I don't know. It leaves you to like, you have to sit there and watch the video
to figure out if this is actually a video that you want to watch or not. Instead of being able to just look at the date and be like, okay, got it.
Which is good for the platform. Or it gets people to just leave the platform entirely, because it's annoying.
I came across this video in my short speed, actually speaking of this.
Kyle. It was Kyle from Bitwit, and the reason it- the reason I noticed it in my short speed
was because the thumbnail had this frame of me in it.
And I was like, sorry, when was Kyle from Bitwit talking about me?
And I clicked on it, and I realized like how obfuscated things are now.
So, okay, we've got likes. There's no view count.
So this is already like happening. This is already the direction the interface is going.
I can't see how many subscribers Kyle has. In fact, what drove me- oh, this is interesting.
Oh, weird. The- this has the channel name, but the- oh my gosh, I swear.
I swear the screenshot that I sent to our rep earlier today did not.
Oh, so trippy. Okay, so when I navigated to this, not from his channel, Kyle- uh, Kyle.
Luke can confirm. Yeah, confirmed. There's- I know what you're talking about.
There's no channel name, no subscribe button. There's no way for me to get information about who he even is,
which sort of flies in the face of YouTube's claims that the short speed
can be like a funnel for your- for your- Yeah, that's the opposite of that.
Yeah, I was like- I was like, what the heck is this? I have no way of- I have no way of finding this.
Anyway, my point is I think it would be a terrible thing for YouTube because of the
vastly different way that people use YouTube compared to a movie library.
But in general, maybe less data could be a good thing.
That's all I'm trying to say. And I guess my question was, would degrading the experience in this way make you less likely
to use an ad blocker if this was one of the levers that they decided to pull?
If you're an ad blocker, they just like remove other elements of the page?
Uh, yeah, probably. Would that harm your- your use of the platform?
I think for a pretty considerable amount of YouTube viewing that I do, it would- it would do that.
Yeah. Yeah.
Cory, as the name says, I find myself judging fictional books intensely if I see their rating
prior to reading. I think about that rating throughout the process of reading the book,
and I end up losing some of my focus on the content itself.
Yeah. A date isn't a rating, though. Like, I understand what you're saying with the- with the like-to-dislike side of things,
but a date is not a rating. A date is a- I don't know, sometimes a very old video can communicate that
it- it could be a very quality thing, and sometimes a very new video is kind of a requirement.
If you're trying to keep up to date on what's happening in U.S. politics,
and you look up something to do with, um, Trump, for example, and running for election.
Yeah, it could easily be the 2016 or the 2020 election.
Yeah, like, it sounds super annoying, to be completely honest. Like, there's- there's certain things that are just timely.
What if you wanted to find something from the 2016 election?
What if they used AI to determine whether a video really needs a date on it or not?
NASFreak says YouTube has confirmed it's not testing removing it. It was a side effect.
I know, it just prompted a conversation. That's all. I just wanted to talk about it a little bit.
It's a side effect of certain add-ons or something? Side effect of your face.
Yeah, extensions. We- we said that earlier, but they might be tuning in a little bit. Did they say what kind of extensions?
No. Okay. Who knows? What kind?
Uh, Dan, I think that's it for the Topics on the WAN Show this week.
Do you want to switch us over to After Dark? Okay, I can do that absolutely.
Let's do it. Wow, there's so many of you watching today.
A date is context. Yeah, like, I don't know. I think the date matters.
I get it. No, to be clear, I want the date. But like, would I be more likely to watch It's a Wonderful World
if I didn't know that it was, like, old?
Maybe. See, I think it could add value, though. Or, like, Tootsie, you know?
Because, like, the fact that- Whatever, just like, it's some old movie. The fact that we both know the name It's a Wonderful World means-
Or, It's a Wonderful Life? Sorry, It's a Wonderful Life. I think, isn't that- My dad.
Oh, it's just a turn of phrase. No, no, that's the, uh, What a Wonderful World?
That's the song. Okay, sure. Basically, I don't know, either of them, is what we're coming to on Conclusion.
But I know the phrase. So, if I saw that and I saw the date, I'm like,
Oh, I know this name. It's super old.
That probably means it was amazing.
So, I'm going to check this out. But it could go either way.
Like, if you hear someone in modern times say, Hey, Schindler's List is, like, an amazing movie.
Yeah. Okay. And then, you see that it's old.
It might go like, Oh, it was amazing enough for them to still care about it,
despite it not being a new release. Maybe I'll watch that. I don't know.
It could communicate value. Different people have different perspectives.
Like, Yvonne, for example, doesn't like watching old media.
She just finds, especially the audio quality, when you go back a certain amount,
is not good enough for her to enjoy.
Like, there are sound recording techniques. If you go back to the 70s, early 80s, we're not as good.
And it's not as clean as it is now. Doesn't bother me. I think it adds some charm.
But I can understand having a different perspective on that.
Dan, do you want to hit us with some rich messages? Yeah, sure.
Hi, LDL. Recently, my desktop YouTube page has reduced the amount of thumbnails to three per row,
leaving me with six videos on full screen, forcing me to scroll more.
Do you have any thoughts on this trend? I've seen some people complaining about this.
I personally am a huge proponent of higher density.
I mean, but maybe part of that is a generational gap thing.
Like, when I was a kid, screens were small and resolution was low.
And every upgrade was so that you could fit more stuff on the screen.
And so the screen would be bigger so you could see more at a time.
A very interesting rabbit hole to go down is North American versus Japanese web design.
Oh, man. They're like a violently opposite.
Dude, it's crazy. But they are successful in their areas.
It's not just that Japanese web designers just feel like doing it some other way.
No, they just don't give a s***. No, it works better with Japanese audiences.
And then when you try to put American web design in front of Japanese audiences,
they don't like it as much. They don't engage with it as much. I don't remember all the details.
Then when you put Japanese web design styles in front of American audiences, they're like...
You get a reaction like this. Delmaine in Floatplane Chat says,
I legitimately cannot stand Japanese web design. It's insane to me.
Yeah. Yeah. But they work really well within their cultures.
It's very interesting. It's actually a genuinely very interesting rabbit hole.
Part of my feelings about it could also be a generational gap. Oh, wait.
Did I already say that part? Well, okay. I have another supporting piece of this because Yvonne was talking to some other people internally here,
like younger people, Gen Z people. And she was talking about booking a trip.
And they were like, oh, well, you know, whatever. And Yvonne's like, oh, well, yeah, I can't look at that right now.
I'm not at my computer. And they go, well, what? You don't just book flights on your phone.
She's like, no, who would do that? And they're like, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
It is inferior. Yvonne is correct. It is vastly inferior.
Yvonne is 100% correct. But apparently that's a big generational gap thing is that millennials will.
The new generation is wrong. Go to the computer to do certain things and booking travel is one of them.
Whereas Gen Zs will absolutely just use their phone to do stuff like that,
even though they obviously cannot do a good enough job of it.
And comparison shopping and without using spreadsheets.
But that is very much an R generation thing to even think of like.
We're wrong about a lot of things. We're correct about that. It's a screen, big purchase.
To even think about using the desktop.
Going to use the computer, you know? But yeah, 100%.
The bigger the purchase, the better the chance that I want to use a big screen to do it.
Yeah, for sure. It's the same accounts, but it feels weird having money go through my phone.
Do you know what I mean? Like I'm on the Amazon app on my phone, but money has to go through it.
No, even just like buying a little thing. No, I don't mind that.
If I just like need something right now. Artie's based.
What did Artie say? As a zoomer, I grew with PC being superior for big purchases.
And like there's certain things where I'll use both depending on the context.
So if I'm just like browsing houses for the lulls,
like I'm looking at the most expensive houses for sale in Vancouver right now.
I'll just out of my phone. I don't care. I'm just like doom scrolling like nonsense.
I'm looking at people's fancy houses. If I am shopping, dude.
Research phone. Are you kidding me? Sometimes I'll go look over at North Van and just slide that willing to pay scale up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just be like, you know, if I just had a helicopter, I could just fly into work.
That I don't mind doing on my phone. You'd be sick. Yeah, exactly. But like if I'm actually shopping, no, I gotta be on my computer, man.
I gotta be on my computer. I'm a gamer slash gardener and just got an OLED TV, LG C3 and want to get an QD OLED monitor.
But I'm worried about the purple hue. I have grow lights on 16 hours a day and never use my computer in the dark.
It's very unlikely to bother you. I mean, the first example I have of this is my old aperture grill CRT.
Okay. It had these two little lines across the screen for the like alignment wires.
And I read reviews and people were like, oh, yeah, it's like, it's annoying.
It's this and then other people were like, oh, no, yeah, you forget about it.
And I got it. I brought it home. I unpacked it and I was like, they're really annoying.
They bother me so much. They're visible, especially on white backgrounds, which, you know, going back to the early 2000s,
mid 2000s, but it was basically every webpage, right? Like everything was, there was no dark mode.
And I was on the brink of returning it and paying it like a 15% restocking fee at NCIX
or whatever it was. I think it was 15%, right? I think so.
That sounds correct. And then I gave it a little bit longer and then I forgot they were there.
And the purple hue is kind of like that. Yeah, you'll notice it. It'll be super noticeable when you know about it.
And then you'll be playing a game and it'll be like half an hour later.
I'm gonna be like, oh, I haven't thought about the purple hue in a while.
I wouldn't stress about it too much. I remembered something about the Japanese versus American website design thing.
It had something to do with like obfuscation of information and desire for comfort versus knowledge.
And the Japanese web design leans more towards information overload.
And the American web design leans more towards comfort.
And, you know, you're just going to trust that this is going to be legit, whatever.
Interesting. I don't remember all the details. It's actually like a fairly deep topic if you guys are interested.
But that was, I remember that being sort of one of the, one of the concepts.
By the way, enjoy your grow lights and maybe try that weird AI Minecraft thing.
That dude, phew. Can't even imagine.
Yeah. G'day boys from Down Under.
I'm planning to build a new PC and pretty sold on the 9000X3D series.
Do you think the 9800X3D is going to be the best bet?
Should I hold out for something better? How are you pretty sold on that already?
No comment. What's going on?
We know too much to answer this question.
You shouldn't be sold on something before independent reviews are out.
I would encourage you to watch ours. I would also encourage you to watch others or read others.
Neat. Yeah.
Limus, when you were on the yard, how close were you to walking out when they did their DJ intro?
I mean, I was, I was warned by Luke what those guys were like.
It wasn't my first time. Like, like we were, we were there.
We did the, we did the bro versus bro first. So I encountered.
Bit of a primer. Ludwig by that point. Oh wait, did we do the bro versus bro first?
Yeah, I think so. I don't remember. No, no, we did bro versus bro after.
Really? Yeah, no. Okay. Well, never mind. Anyway, I knew who Ludwig was.
And so I was surprised, but not shocked.
I was, I was, it was unexpected, but not surprising.
I don't know how to phrase it, but yeah, no, they did their, their intro.
I think to go back and do the yard again, I would probably lean more into their bulls***
rather than like kind of be the skeptical, you know, outsider.
But maybe that's sort of part of the, the deal of, you know,
having a guest on a show like that. Maybe everyone kind of goes through that a little bit.
I wouldn't know. I don't watch the show. I have a couple of people that were like very mad about me not knowing who anybody was and
not listening to the podcast or watching the show or whatever else.
Cause I don't know, it made me seem arrogant or something.
But I was just, I was just trying to be honest. Like I'm, I'm so sorry.
I actually don't know any of your names because we all introduced ourselves like three minutes
ago before I walked in here. And then I sat at the top of that slide for all of that time,
while you guys were DJ racist or whatever.
And so I just was like, yeah, no, I'm sorry. The only one of you who I know is, is Ludwig and that just kind of is what it is.
And I'm sorry. But some people, you know, took that really negatively.
But yeah, I mean, you know how things are.
There's actually one of my, that's, this is one of my favorite sort of yardsticks for,
you know, how, how marketable my face is, is how content performs when I'm on someone
else's channel. Because how our videos perform is like, this is your house.
Yeah. This, yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Like how, how, how, how marketable of a name is, is LTT.
So I'm going to do this live, but I'm going to go and have a look at like how,
you don't want to look at anything from like a day ago, like a week or two ago.
You know, how'd I do? So a georain bold, pretty, pretty appealing guest.
So that, that's pretty cool.
Let's see, who are, who are some other folks? Hivemind TV was apparently a pretty good one.
Cause I don't really like, I don't watch YouTube. So this is one of the ways that I'll, I'll figure out like, okay, who's like a big
deal, like the C dog VA guy seems to be kind of a big deal.
So that's, that's pretty cool. Rainbow is, is pretty based.
Yeah. Yeah. There you go.
Here's one with just the crew and okay, 500,000. So that's kind of the high end of if they don't have a guest on.
Uh, what else we got? Do you already know the answer to this? Oh, no, I did pretty good.
Yeah. 800K. Did you already know the answer to this? I already know what answer to this.
To what? How well you did? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You already knew the answer to this?
I didn't, I haven't looked at it in like, I don't know, two or three months. Okay.
But I knew that it was like an above average. I was wondering how performative this was.
No, no, I just haven't looked at it in a while. Okay. Um, yeah.
Yeah. So it's, uh, there's a, oh yeah, Hank Green, Hank Green crushed me, but that makes sense.
Hank Green. Yep. Yeah. They had Hank Green on.
So it's, it's, it's one of those things. It's like, it helps me kind of figure out, you know, where everyone's stock is at,
kind of at, at whatever time they were, they were on another, like another person's channel.
And it helps me figure out if like, if like I did okay.
You know, like if anyone, if anyone cares outside of just our like
hyper, hyper geek sort of bubble that we live in.
Yeah.
There were, there were a couple other cutie Cinderella crushed.
Um, I mean, that makes sense. It's, oh yeah. 100% makes sense.
So. She's a great host and she's rather affiliated with that crew.
Rather affiliated. Amaranth. It's a way to say. Amaranth crushed.
That makes sense. But yeah, I was, I was actually a little surprised to see how much overlap there was.
Like I wasn't expecting their audience and our audience to have a lot of overlap.
That's another thing that it gauges. So it's not just like, oh, higher number on someone else's channel automatically.
You're like a big deal on mainstream or whatever. I was like, no.
But it can tell you how much overlap there is between people who watch that and people who watch.
And there's too many variables to draw any concrete conclusions, but it's an indicator.
What's an audience that you don't think you would perform well with because of overlap issues?
Because I feel like, you know, I went, I went through a few in my head and one that I landed
on was like makeup, but then no, I feel like if you would want a makeup channel would probably kill.
I don't think so. I think so because all the dude bros would be like, what?
I actually bet you it would do pretty all right. I don't think so. I don't think so.
It might do bad for them because their algorithm is going to be all screwed, but I feel like the one episode might do all right.
I don't know. This is a tough one. If you have any kind of public space where it's just like a mixing pot,
like the fact that that school had the teacher and two students who knew enough
to go find this on the subreddit and like knew who we were and like all that stuff,
that's like pretty, that's pretty solid. But that's just mixing pot, right?
Whereas like an actual space where people are selectively there because they have an interest,
like I would think, I would think if you, if there was a ceramics studio that had a channel.
Like, and I went on there. There'd be like, there'd be nothing.
I think it might do okay. No one would care. I don't think the, I think you do enough weird random off the wall stuff on this channel
that something like ceramics would do fine.
But it's, it's that that audience. I think if it was like a math education channel.
Oh no, that would be super high overlap. You think, ah.
People who are into math education and people who are into technology get real.
Yeah, fair enough. They did well on Veritasium. That's mostly like pretty crazy stuff.
Yeah. No, I wasn't thinking like that though.
I was thinking like a number file. Three brown one blue. Oh, three brown one, or three of them one blue.
Three brown one blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, something like that too.
To be clear. To be blue one brown, I don't know, whatever. To be clear, Veritasium, I, I completely ignored that one though.
And the reason for that, no, I shouldn't say I ignored it. I watched the video and like directed and this team did a great job and everything.
But I wasn't going to read anything into that one.
Because his video performance is like, like so spiky.
Which seems weird to me because they all seem quite consistently good.
You never, I mean. It's so hard sometimes.
Even a master of YouTube packaging and and and content creation
is not going to knock it out of the park every single time.
Unless your name is Mark Rober.
Even he, even he doesn't get the same number of views on every single video.
Because not everything can appeal to absolutely everybody. And that's the way it is.
We should work on that. Yeah, I mean, we're trying, Dan.
Everybody's trying, Dan! No, no, no. Must be more normie?
No, no, no, no. I mean, you need to find the video that appeals to literally every single person.
Sure. But then, I mean, that's like not possible, is it?
Yeah. Nope. Okay, up next.
Hi, DLL. I'm in my senior year of engineering at undergrad.
In my opinion, at best 96 of the 128 credits are relevant to my success.
How would you pitch higher education to your children? And do you have hot takes?
Part of the original idea of the credit system and getting people to take
credits that were not in their actual direct courses was to prepare people for
being an adult and needing to like communicate with others about things that
aren't just their one singular niche. Be well-rounded. They're trying to prep you for like the world.
Yeah. I don't think it's as relevant these days. They forced Yvonne-
You can interact and stuff like that. They forced Yvonne to take one accounting course as part of her pharmacy degree.
Thank goodness!
Woo! You never know, I guess is what I would say.
There was classes that annoyed me when I was in school that I have absolutely used.
Like, yeah, there's even classes that I took back in school that I still would have
thought would have been useless two years ago and have since become useful.
Like, I don't know, learning stuff is just good and useful.
And part of it is forcing you to learn to learn and push yourself to learn something
that you're not inherently interested in and that you might not see the point of because
you never know. I understand other perspectives and to be less generally useless.
If you are more generally competent, you are less generally useless, which is awesome.
There are some real life tips right there. That's really fantastic.
Man, speaking of higher education, I was reading this interesting article about how
college professors are like, we don't really know what to do because they assign reading
to new students and they just like don't read.
Like they literally arrive in college going, yeah, we've been assigned like excerpts to read,
but we've never been assigned just like read this book and come back in a couple days when
you're done. Students entering Harvard that have never once read a book.
That is flipping wild to me. I don't know how to deal with that.
Yeah, y'all got to like read like a bit and stuff.
Literally me already. You've never read a book?
I mean, you got a job without it, I guess.
I've read a book maybe. I mean, that's better than...
Parents still read. AJ says, I've only read eight books my entire life, the Harry Potter books plus House of the
Scorpion or Sorpean, Sorpean.
I don't know what House of the Sorpean is. I read Grapes of Wrath and I really wish I hadn't.
I genuinely like think a thousand pages that you should read.
And this is even someone who has a hard time with it because I think it's good for your
brain to just sit there and have to imagine.
Oh, Artie's trolling. I've read books, but not many in university.
What about, I mean, are we okay with like Harry Potter?
And House of the Dragon and all those sort of like... Yeah, Harry Potter's a book. It's a book.
We don't have to be, you know, they don't have to be proper novels kind of thing.
Harry Potter's a proper novel? No, but for young adults. I mentioned Grapes of Wrath, right?
Which is like a classic American...
I've read a book, I've read Grapes of Wrath. I don't know.
Honestly speaking, I think a lot of what makes something classic is that it came first.
Like quite frankly, the adventures of Tom Sawyer and the adventures of Huckleberry Finn kind of
f***ing suck. The coming first part matters though, in my opinion.
And like to be clear, they don't suck. You know, I'm sure they're full of, you know, rich pros and all those things and stuff.
You're gonna upset some people. But I didn't care. Like I read them as a kid and I was like, seriously, this is what qualified as like good
kids books those days? My god, nothing happens.
And so I think that, you know, just because something is more modern and just because
it's full of plot holes and...
What? No, I just don't remember it. And like flawed world building, you know?
I'm talking about Harry Potter here right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That doesn't make it not valid.
Okay, what? It's just people are quoting me.
I avoided that one. The coming first part matters.
Does fan fiction count? Like, I don't know, My Immortal and stuff like that?
It was seriously his name. Yeah, I don't know.
I think the literal mental exercise of having to create a world in your brain to try to
visualize it instead of just watching video and having that done for you in the modern
day is actually very valuable for flexing your creativity muscles and stuff.
I promise you, nobody has made any video content that you enjoy watching.
I'm talking like films, TV shows. Nobody made those without reading.
Like it's an important part of being able to create and not just consume.
I listen to audiobooks all the time. Tree hallucination.
Because I get a lot of benefit from that as well. Yeah, but just listening to it.
Because when you're reading it, you are solely focused on the page.
If you're just listening to it while you're cooking dinner and you're not hallucinating properly.
Now, am I being a novel purist? I haven't read in years.
So it's not like I can say much. I think reading is objectively more based than listening to an audiobook.
I just sometimes, you know, if I'm driving, I'm going to listen to an audiobook and I'm still...
You don't just read behind the wheel.
A full hardcover. Hardcover and then you have your phone taped at the top of it for subway surfers.
Oh, that is good. Good, good. Yeah, because you can't, you shouldn't read without subway surfers.
Yeah, exactly. You should, you should, you know. And I got podcast one year.
Yeah, right. Good, good. Cory, as the name says, there's something to be said for books that break the mold
and redefine entire genres of literature. They may be weak in comparison to modern equivalents,
but those equivalents wouldn't exist if not for the OG. And that's fine if you're like a literary historian,
but I'm just saying for people who just like should practice reading
so they can flex their reading muscle, I don't necessarily consider that to be the best use of their time.
We're not talking about learning literature. Weathering heights also f***ing sucked.
I'm sorry. It sucks. It's not good.
I didn't enjoy it. I'm sorry. Again, it's like boring.
Moves at a glacial pace and it's like, and it's a high cognitive load to read it because it uses kind of archaic English
and it was not enjoyable. I'm sorry. And you're not going to get anybody...
This is a really good... I think I overheard this conversation and it was relayed to me by Yvonne.
And it came from one of...
There's a kid that Yvonne and I both know
who goes to a religious school.
And basically you can get some really interesting opinions
on what kind of literature is okay to read from people who have their doctrine
and their belief system and who are educators
and they can kind of end up prescribing a really restrictive diet
of literary materials. And I was quite surprised,
based on what I knew about this particular teacher from context,
that what they basically said is the best thing for a kid to read
is anything that kid will read. Yeah.
Literally anything. I don't care. It can be witchcraft or minecraft or minecraft or...
Did I say minecraft twice? What about more minecraft? Yeah. Whatever. It doesn't matter.
The point is it can be anything. Just make sure that they learn to bloody read.
And so, yeah, I think if you go and you give kids like...
Yeah. I mean, I'll come back to my example.
Okay. Oh, here's one. I loved The Secret World of Og by Pierre Burton when I was a kid.
And I went and I tried to read it to my kids and they just tuned the math out.
It was the language was not just maybe at a bit of a high level
for what they were ready for at the time. So that was part of the problem. But not just that, but it was just...
It was written in an older style and they weren't engaged with it.
And I could have insisted, but what would I have done?
I would have just created a negative reading experience.
Why? Why are we doing this? I never liked reading at all.
You know, I've always had problems with that type of stuff. I was really bad at spelling, all those types of things.
My mom was trying to get me into it because it would have benefited me fairly obviously.
And I don't think she had ever read it before, but she picked up the Hobbit.
If I had to make a guess, she probably picked up the Hobbit because I liked like video games and fantasy games.
And she's like, well, I don't know, let's try this.
And loved the Hobbit. She read the Hobbit to me and I was super into it.
And the Hobbit being so good, not the movies.
If you're a young and who hasn't read the movies sucked,
the book was fantastic. The movies were chest butt.
The Hobbit being so good drove me to want to read Lord of the Rings.
And that was really hard, not just because of age,
but it was the story was so good that I really enjoyed that.
And then I got into the Harry Potter books and then I was started expanding beyond there.
And now reading became like a thing for me. And despite it being hard, I would take like an entire Saturday
and just chill and read because I'm like, this is great. I love these worlds that I'm disappearing into.
I wish I had Saturdays like that as an adult.
Anyway, Fox in a Box suggested SCPs, scary stories on the internet.
Does it necessarily have to be a book? Can it be like fan fiction level stuff?
I think it being a book has value because you want someone to, yes.
I think that has value. I also think there's something to be said for it
maintaining a certain bar of quality.
Consistent voice. Like Yvonne has this app called Dream with an E at the end.
And basically it's like independent writers
and I think they get a commission from people buying the next chapter of their stories and stuff like that.
So it honestly seems kind of pretty constructive for amateur writers.
But oh my God.
It's just full of grammatical errors and typos.
It's written by people who've never read. So it'll be full of homonyms that are just like,
you read it out loud and the sentence makes sense. But it's just wrong.
I think there's something to be said for.
I'm not saying that language isn't evolving and shouldn't evolve. It absolutely does and it absolutely should.
But in the same way that you don't get to take artistic license with a painting
until you understand fundamentally how to paint,
you can't really take artistic license with language until you understand the basic structures and know how to use them.
And in a lot of cases, you get carelessness
or disguised as creativity.
And I think there's some value to consuming content
that has been edited for clarity and correctness.
Are you writing fan fictions in the film?
This is like the most classic, most famous one. Is this a copypasta?
No, this is like a massive fan fiction based on Harry Potter.
My Immortal is known very far and wide for being a work of non.
I thought it was a joke. No, I've never read that before.
This makes it a lot better because it is actually
unfortunately sincere. It's like the room kind of situation.
My name is Ebony Darkness Dementia Ravenway
and I have long ebony black hair. That's how I got my name with purple streaks and red tips
that reaches my mid back and icy blue eyes like limpid tears.
And a lot of people tell me I look like Amy Lee.
And if you don't know who she is, get the hell out of here.
Get the hell out of here. There's a lot of author. You can't get your name from your long ebony black hair.
Yeah, that doesn't really work out. Because you were a baby.
You didn't have that. You're an actual idiot. So anyway, there's that.
Internet historian apparently did a read of it. Okay. Phenomenal video.
Yeah, that's probably the best way to consume my immortal.
Okay. It sounds like it probably was not expecting that to happen tonight.
I am so sorry the entirety of the internet.
Oh boy. Lake Linus Dune.
I'm working towards my doctorate in philosophy aiming to work in tech.
Do you think my time would be better spent in research and development or policy around implementation?
Also second role for SC Hoody. Probably no more SC Hoody.
We do have a hoodie based on that pattern coming soon.
You might like it. As for what you should be working on,
policy around implementation seems like someone with philosophy training
should probably be working on with all this AI stuff going on.
But whether anyone's actually willing to pay you to do that when they'd rather just go in like a wrecking ball, I don't know.
Good luck though. And I hope you can make a positive difference in the world.
There are actually companies hiring that role. Good. Well, they should.
Yeah. A lot of them are doing it. But then they should actually listen instead of just hiring the role.
And so that a lot of them are doing it in order to
try to improve their lobbying efforts. Oh, good.
Cool. Well, carry on. Hi, I work in tech retail and we get a lot of clients
looking for the cheapest systems not understanding or wanting to understand
that they won't get the functionality they want. How do I explain it?
You won't be able to explain it. The way to handle it is be enthusiastic and be excited about the things
that you know are going to actually make them happy. Take time to ask questions.
It sounds like you're doing that though. Like you've taken the time to understand what they want,
the functionality they're after.
And so you just have to improve your salesmanship.
Be excited about the things that will work. Be extremely unexcited about the things that won't work.
Warn them. Tell them. You don't want them to waste their money because buying something twice,
even if it's only two thirds of the price, costs more than buying something once that actually works
and actually fulfills their needs. So you just have to kind of try to break it down and do your best.
Every once in a while, someone's going to come in. They're going to have some kind of expectations.
And what you got to do is you got to say, look, this isn't going to work for you.
But it's clear that it's what you want and you can give it a try.
Here's our return policy. And if you come back in, I'd be happy to chat with you
and help you find something that works out better for you. But maybe you'll try it and maybe from our conversation,
I've misunderstood exactly what it is that your expectations are and it'll work just fine for you.
Just leave the conversation open.
And let's see here. Last one I've got. LTD number one, precision bits and PTM7950.
When? I don't know.
Logistics are a challenge. I saw someone in Floatplane chat earlier saying PTM7950.
It should be in stock. Surely there couldn't be a shortage from Honeywell or whatever,
but it's more of a logistics thing. We were really working on trimming down our stock on the store
and I think we kind of over swung the pendulum that way.
Too enthusiastic. Yeah, we need to do a better job of just maintaining a little bit more
stock of just the run rate items that people are after.
Tall shirts. Like tall shirts, yeah. Yeah.
Are they all just out of stock? The tall shirts?
Yeah. I think the smalls are in. And we've small and we have nothing else.
For long sleeve, you have a few options.
For short sleeve, it's only small. I have been tracking this often.
The microfiber shirt sold out. So I think we got the order quantity about right on that one,
but we're going to keep getting better at it, I think.
I hope we'll keep trying.
And I think that's it. We'll see you again next week.
Same bad time. Same bad channel. Bye.
Bye.