WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.000 We are live 00:00:07.560 --> 00:00:09.560 Hey everyone 00:00:10.920 --> 00:00:12.920 Those young 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:21.840 Little scary Powerful powerful yarn glad you didn't sneeze sitting this close to you. I might have been blown away 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:25.920 Yeah, some of my sneezes are a little ridiculous. I know I wish they weren't I 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:30.380 Don't know. I think you like it. Do be I think you like having a powerful sneeze 00:00:32.040 --> 00:00:39.480 No, I think you do Not even neeming right now. I think you enjoy having a powerful sneeze. I think you like the powerful man 00:00:39.480 --> 00:00:47.000 I think if I had a really little one, it would be weird. I will admit. Yeah, if it was like, yeah, it would be odd 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:53.760 Although it would be pretty funny. I think I'd be okay with it because it'd be pretty funny 00:00:54.440 --> 00:00:59.120 No, it's the Jonathan's chat. He's like, I hate my loud sneeze. I'm like, yeah, yeah, but you're Jonathan Luke 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:06.240 Luke likes to be Luke likes that's a great moment for this to kick. I don't know if you guys heard that view 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.760 My Floatplane stream kicked in it. If I had a little one, it would be weird 00:01:12.880 --> 00:01:17.480 A little one of what Luke? Ah, you know specifically what it just wouldn't be proportional 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:20.840 Man, I need to I need to figure out this 00:01:21.520 --> 00:01:24.600 Situation a little bit. I mean, it's probably okay. You've had worse hair on my show 00:01:24.600 --> 00:01:27.880 This is true, but I usually have headphones to kind of help with it a little bit. Oh 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:31.000 No, I 00:01:32.440 --> 00:01:37.480 Just want a mirror. Oh Wow, it's just a little special today 00:01:44.320 --> 00:01:47.400 I just need a minute at a magazine. Oh my 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:55.840 Well I'm sorry, I'm not so dirty-minded. 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.840 Well, no, no, it's a movie reference. What movie? 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:02.840 There's something about Mary. I never watched it. 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.840 He lost me there. Jim Carrey? 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:09.840 Something about Mary? What was it, Jeff Daniels? 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:15.840 One of them. You said one of those 90s comedy stars. 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:19.840 I know nothing, sorry. Ben Stiller? 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:23.840 Ben Stiller? Okay, yep, that makes sense. 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:29.840 Oh, you're live. Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah, we're very live. 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:33.840 Yeah, do you guys like Sammy in the background? They love it. 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:37.840 They force me to give up my room. What the hell are you doing? 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.840 They're like, give us your freaking room. That's not how it happens. 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:45.840 No, that's my truth. That's him. 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.840 He probably won't notice that. My truth is just another way of admitting 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.840 that other people are not going to corroborate your story. 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.840 Okay, yeah. My truth. 00:02:57.840 --> 00:02:59.840 It's... 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:07.840 Okay. Geographically close wanshow, what a concept. 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:11.840 Huh? They're probably live in, like, 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:15.840 around this area. That makes sense. 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:19.840 I like these hoodies too, Leslie. I don't like your name, though. 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:23.840 Leslie? Yeah, just commit it. 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:29.840 Just be Leslie. Sometimes, Sles is more. 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:33.840 And sometimes, more is too much. That's your news screen name. 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:35.840 Sles is more. 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:39.840 It's actually not that. 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:45.840 All right. Should we... 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.840 Yeah, I think we can kind of just run it. I have no idea what's in the dock. 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.840 Steph says, the Floatplane hoodies is my favorite hoodie right now. 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:57.840 Only take it off to wash. Well, you're doing it wrong. 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.840 You never take it off. It's like jeans. 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.840 It's not designed... This guy. 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.840 Problem solved. Actual fucking genius. 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:13.840 I don't have a swear button, so I'm gonna... Hmm. 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:19.840 Hmm. I didn't even know there was a Floatplane logo in the cords. 00:04:19.840 --> 00:04:23.840 That's sick. Yeah, it is cool. I forgot about that. 00:04:23.840 --> 00:04:27.840 I'm sure someone showed me at some point, but... Yeah. 00:04:27.840 --> 00:04:31.840 I'd love to bring the pajama pants back. Rear Vs, 00:04:31.840 --> 00:04:35.840 or Rear V6, but no time soon. 00:04:35.840 --> 00:04:39.840 They won't be coming back anytime soon. Sorry. Is it a sales throughput thing? 00:04:39.840 --> 00:04:43.840 Yeah, it was just really slow. It's funny. 00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:47.840 We have this sort of pattern for a lot of the merch where it sells pretty good out of the gate. 00:04:47.840 --> 00:04:51.840 It gets really great reviews. And then we just have kind of no idea 00:04:51.840 --> 00:04:55.840 how to keep the momentum going on it. It's something that we're still kind of working on, 00:04:55.840 --> 00:04:59.840 how to market our apparel better. And then we light it up on sale 00:04:59.840 --> 00:05:03.840 and a bunch of people buy it and they go, oh my god, this is the best thing ever. 00:05:03.840 --> 00:05:07.840 I love it. It's my favorite X in my wardrobe. 00:05:07.840 --> 00:05:11.840 And we're like, no, because he didn't buy it when it was profitable. 00:05:11.840 --> 00:05:15.840 So now we're not going to stock more of them. 00:05:15.840 --> 00:05:19.840 So if you see stuff on sale, I don't know, man. I don't want to tell you. 00:05:19.840 --> 00:05:23.840 Buy two of my cats just in case you really like it. 00:05:23.840 --> 00:05:27.840 Not actual financial advice. 00:05:27.840 --> 00:05:31.840 DemeterRTX said, do you all sleep on one bed? And yes, 00:05:31.840 --> 00:05:35.840 every person on the trip here sleeps on one megabed. 00:05:35.840 --> 00:05:39.840 That is, you just saw the 00:05:39.840 --> 00:05:43.840 how MG spends money thing. Travel was not that high. 00:05:43.840 --> 00:05:47.840 So we just all, like when we go to CES, it's just 00:05:47.840 --> 00:05:51.840 it's just a huge bet. 00:06:05.840 --> 00:06:09.840 Yeah, it also saves on 00:06:09.840 --> 00:06:13.840 heating. So what is pointing out that it would be really warm 00:06:13.840 --> 00:06:17.840 to turn the heat up. It's nice. It's good. 00:06:17.840 --> 00:06:21.840 Okay, should we do this? I feel like I feel like we should do this. 00:06:23.840 --> 00:06:27.840 Um, oh, yeah, I got to pop out my Floatplane chat. 00:06:27.840 --> 00:06:31.840 I'm ready when you are. Things look at my side. 00:06:31.840 --> 00:06:35.840 Things look good to your side. Okay. 00:06:35.840 --> 00:06:39.840 What time is it there? It is 1130. 00:06:39.840 --> 00:06:43.840 Um, how's audio levels Floatplane jet? 00:06:43.840 --> 00:06:47.840 Oh, yeah. That's a good question. Oh, I haven't like done the 00:06:47.840 --> 00:06:51.840 show yet. Welcome to the Wancho. Oh man. These are going to be fine. 00:06:51.840 --> 00:06:55.840 Yeah, these walls are kind of paper thin. I feel bad if anyone's 00:06:55.840 --> 00:06:59.840 in the rooms next to us. Are they? And also, well, okay, the fact 00:06:59.840 --> 00:07:03.840 that you don't know that is, oh good. Yeah, you do know. Well, that's interesting. 00:07:03.840 --> 00:07:07.840 No, I didn't know. Okay, good. So Luke and I 00:07:07.840 --> 00:07:11.840 didn't realize until we came back from the tonight show yesterday 00:07:11.840 --> 00:07:15.840 that our rooms border each other. So the fact 00:07:15.840 --> 00:07:19.840 that neither of us realized until 00:07:19.840 --> 00:07:23.840 we saw each other going into our rooms is a solid indicator that at least that wall is not that 00:07:23.840 --> 00:07:27.840 bad and nobody heard anything. Yeah. 00:07:29.840 --> 00:07:33.840 It's got to be pretty okay. That's why I was surprised 00:07:33.840 --> 00:07:35.840 he said they were thin. I was like, there's no way. 00:07:41.840 --> 00:07:45.840 Anyways, they've got to be 00:07:45.840 --> 00:07:49.840 pretty all right. Yeah, we both let me put it this way. We both have 00:07:49.840 --> 00:07:51.840 plus ones on this show. 00:07:55.840 --> 00:07:57.840 Yeah. 00:08:01.840 --> 00:08:05.840 Okay, well, that's yeah, that's that's good to know. But I 00:08:05.840 --> 00:08:09.840 definitely could hear you guys very clearly in here before I came into this room. 00:08:09.840 --> 00:08:13.840 Okay, so I guess maybe we're just good to go and we'll just do a 00:08:13.840 --> 00:08:17.840 WAN Show as loud as we need to do a WAN Show and that'll be good. Okay, it's midday. 00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:21.840 Yeah, whatever. Okay. 00:08:25.840 --> 00:08:29.840 Yeah, I couldn't tell if we were both having the same thought 00:08:29.840 --> 00:08:33.840 as we came back and saw each other going to the rooms next to each other. 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.840 Okay, so we were at the I kind of detected I kind of picked up on that energy 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.840 like that. Oh, I didn't realize that my colleague was right next door. 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:47.840 Because I sure didn't. 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:51.840 All right. 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:57.840 Who are they? 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:09.840 All right. Okay. Yeah, let's Yeah, I guess let's let's do this 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:13.840 thing. Oh, quality is switching like 10 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:17.840 times a minute. Yeah, just set it manually. It's like it's 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.840 very finicky. Sometimes it's really good for people and sometimes it's not. 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.840 It's all right. Yeah, set it manually. You heard it here 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:29.840 first. Oh, did I mess up my hair? I have no preview anymore. Do you have the... Oh, it's good 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:33.840 enough. Love it. Yeah, you may want to stop that video playback though. I know 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.840 for monitoring it's good, but maybe Dan will just have to tell us. Oh, for like band with 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:41.840 three? Yeah, just you know. Good call. You know. 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.840 We're on that hotel white fight. It do be 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.840 what it is. Yeah. 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:53.840 Yeah, that's good hair for me. It's not that bad. Why is it 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:57.840 messy? Oh, they're all attacking my hair. Look 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:01.840 I am going on 40. 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:05.840 I have hair. I think that this is the moment where I just 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.840 be grateful. We're too old for the whole 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.840 looks maxing thing. Yeah. We missed that wave. 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:17.840 Do you know about all this? Sorry, am I not supposed to have my tongue up against the root of my mouth right now? 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:21.840 Oh. No, it's like I think the same like 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:25.840 consumerism hammer that got women 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:29.840 is coming for men. Make up in tons of products and lots of 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:33.840 things. Elijah definitely not 40 year old version 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:35.840 which fortunately the walls are thick enough. 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:41.840 Luke doesn't need to confirm. I have previously. 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:43.840 I don't need to reconfirm. 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:49.840 Someone said Luke's used to it or whatever and I'm like, I mean, it's been 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:53.840 a long time. Yeah. It's not the kind of thing that you like 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:57.840 you're in for. No, no, that you need to go back 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.840 to. But someone who lived in dorms and then lived with roommates and then lived 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.840 there. By the time I lived with you guys, I was pretty desensitized. I really didn't 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.840 care. I just wish you'd said something. 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.840 I could have been quiet. It had literally been like five years 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:17.840 of living situations where that was normal. 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:21.840 So it just like just didn't really yeah. 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:25.840 Didn't matter. Some looks maxing community got nuked 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:29.840 for selling exit kits which is exactly what you think it is. 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.840 My God. What's an exit kit? A suicide? I'm assuming 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.840 they're talking about that. Like because you like 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:41.840 it looks backs hard enough or something. I don't know. What? 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:43.840 Yeah. 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:51.840 Is that is that what it is? I have no idea. 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:53.840 I don't even know if that's true. 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:57.840 Okay. 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:03.840 No one's, no one's confirming. Are we just assuming what it is? 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:07.840 I'm looking it up. I mean 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.840 oh yes apparently that's true. 00:12:11.840 --> 00:12:15.840 They rank people and there's a rank that's just rope. 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.840 What? That is crazy. 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:27.840 That is so freaking crazy. 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:31.840 I mean, is it, do we not have, I feel like 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:35.840 my generation had like Stephen Hawking you know to be like 00:12:35.840 --> 00:12:39.840 yeah you can be very, you know 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:43.840 disabled and you can be not you know super hot 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:47.840 but you can be extremely influential and important and stuff. 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:51.840 Like do we have a current role model like that for men? 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:53.840 Probably. Trying to think. 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.840 It's you. Yeah, it's kind of rough 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:03.840 because if you call them out 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:09.840 are you just calling them unattractive? Danny DeVito based. 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:13.840 Yeah, Danny DeVito. But he's older. 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:17.840 Yeah, I mean so was Stephen Hawking. At one point he was also not 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:21.840 at one point. That's true. That's true. 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:25.840 Whoa, shut up Stephen Hawking's on the Epstein list? 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:29.840 Yes. Shut up. 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:33.840 Yeah, but that doesn't necessarily like Oh, he was low key 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.840 nerd cool when he was young. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's what I was trying to 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.840 show you. Kind of a Chad. 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:45.840 Yeah, he was alright. Alright, well 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:55.840 Yeah, but Hank Green isn't like Yeah, Hank Green is like, yeah, he's good looking. 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:59.840 He's totally fine. I think. Not that we'd necessarily be the best judges, but 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:03.840 Yeah, Christopher Reeves also dead though, and he'll 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:09.840 Christopher Reeves, wasn't he? He was superman. No, he was literally 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.840 Superman, but they're saying he was disabled. Okay, but he was also a Superman. 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:17.840 Yeah, so no, I mean my point is just like, like, is this is this part 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:21.840 of the problem though that we don't have like Michael J. Fox guys, you're picking 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:25.840 like super like good looking people like particularly known 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:27.840 for being attractive. 00:14:29.840 --> 00:14:33.840 Oh, man. I was going to say, yeah, 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:37.840 so he was on the Epstein list, but there's speculation that a lot of people 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:41.840 of like notoriety were brought 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:47.840 as interest points 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:51.840 for the influential people. Oh, no, 100%. Yeah, so he would have been there as like 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:55.840 candy himself. No, I read a really interesting 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:59.840 I read a really interesting article on sort of Epstein's playbook 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:03.840 for like how he managed to be to rub shoulders with 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.840 with so many influential people and apparently it was like 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.840 a lot of it was flying around on his private jet and offering people rides 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.840 for free. Just like 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:21.840 I guess that's a thing and so 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:27.840 there's a wait, there's a picture of him with girls on the island. Oh really? 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.840 I mean, oh man 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.840 I feel okay Wow, this is going to get this 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.840 is going to become a thing. I hope not it doesn't need to 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.840 it is surprisingly easy 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:47.840 to have a photo taken of you that looks really bad 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.840 like I I think you know what my party 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:55.840 habits are at trade shows generally speaking 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:59.840 I avoid them my very 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:03.840 first year at CES I went to an OCC event 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:07.840 where one of their marketing coordinators 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.840 we were posing for a picture and she runs into the frame 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:15.840 and sits on my lap and now there's a picture 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.840 of me with a young woman on my lap I 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.840 froze. I had no idea how to react to this 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.840 she was there literally for three seconds while the photo was taken 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:31.840 and she was just one of those like 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:35.840 I don't even think she meant anything by it because she was just the kind of person 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:39.840 who hugs absolutely everyone and just is like always 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:43.840 so happy to see him being very physical contact loose 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:47.840 and you know it's not like she ever came on to me 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.840 or anything like that it was just but anyway 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:55.840 um I think like did they 00:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.840 post it or something whatever Yvonne saw the picture and was like 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:03.840 what is this and so I'm like 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.840 first time I'm going to Vegas I didn't mention it 00:17:07.840 --> 00:17:11.840 because I had like completely forgotten about it 00:17:11.840 --> 00:17:15.840 she's like what what is this 00:17:15.840 --> 00:17:19.840 and I was like I swear to god 00:17:19.840 --> 00:17:23.840 and this is a story that literally every woman in the history of women 00:17:23.840 --> 00:17:27.840 has heard and a very low percentage 00:17:27.840 --> 00:17:31.840 of the time this story is true but I swear to god this is what happened 00:17:35.840 --> 00:17:39.840 yeah anyway I mean that's just like kind of the company that OCZ was 00:17:39.840 --> 00:17:43.840 like how do I put this 00:17:43.840 --> 00:17:47.840 I'm not saying that you know the people that worked in marketing 00:17:47.840 --> 00:17:51.840 there were in any way not like smart or talented I'm just saying that there were 00:17:51.840 --> 00:17:55.840 clearly other hiring priorities that were also 00:17:55.840 --> 00:17:59.840 considered like they were they were really good 00:17:59.840 --> 00:18:03.840 at what they did they were just also you know young 00:18:03.840 --> 00:18:07.840 and women um and that was just like 00:18:07.840 --> 00:18:11.840 part of the culture there um the photo that I'm seeing 00:18:11.840 --> 00:18:15.840 I mean like they he's on like a beach lounger 00:18:15.840 --> 00:18:19.840 that he obviously wouldn't be able to move away from and people came 00:18:19.840 --> 00:18:23.840 beside his beach lounger and took a photo with him 00:18:23.840 --> 00:18:27.840 yeah I mean they don't really look like they're in um inappropriate 00:18:27.840 --> 00:18:31.840 beach attire they're not naked yeah I would 00:18:31.840 --> 00:18:35.840 have I would have no actual evidence from this photo to suggest that that's an orgy 00:18:35.840 --> 00:18:39.840 as of this time with my limited information I'm choosing to believe that Stephen Hawking 00:18:39.840 --> 00:18:43.840 is still cool I mean 00:18:43.840 --> 00:18:47.840 I can be proven otherwise we don't know but hope not 00:18:47.840 --> 00:18:51.840 yeah all right should we do this thing yeah 00:18:51.840 --> 00:18:55.840 all right Dan do you want to punch it um do you want me to or are you going to 00:18:55.840 --> 00:18:59.840 oh right I think maybe you should 00:18:59.840 --> 00:19:03.840 and then just tell us 00:19:03.840 --> 00:19:07.840 when we're live because he tells us it'll be in this that's right 00:19:07.840 --> 00:19:11.840 dream oh 00:19:11.840 --> 00:19:15.840 sure yeah let's roll with it 00:19:15.840 --> 00:19:19.840 and whatever dance on the wind show yeah sure thing then 00:19:19.840 --> 00:19:23.840 all right you guys ready um 00:19:23.840 --> 00:19:25.840 yes 00:19:27.840 --> 00:19:31.840 does the glow circuit glow yes resuming one selected now 00:19:31.840 --> 00:19:35.840 ready um yeah 00:19:35.840 --> 00:19:37.840 selected resumed 00:19:51.840 --> 00:19:55.840 and it locked me out what 00:19:55.840 --> 00:19:59.840 oh no oh no 00:20:01.840 --> 00:20:03.840 hang on 00:20:07.840 --> 00:20:11.840 there you go what's up everyone 00:20:11.840 --> 00:20:15.840 and welcome to the show I 00:20:15.840 --> 00:20:19.840 have so so much to talk about this week 00:20:19.840 --> 00:20:23.840 as you guys might have noticed I was on the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon last 00:20:23.840 --> 00:20:27.840 night I brought along what are you talking about it just wouldn't 00:20:27.840 --> 00:20:31.840 well it just wouldn't it just wouldn't 00:20:33.840 --> 00:20:37.840 it was the least wouldn't wouldn't it was flaccid 00:20:37.840 --> 00:20:41.840 it was the demo didn't work you guys I had a lot 00:20:41.840 --> 00:20:45.840 of fun on the show as as with last time the tonight show team was 00:20:45.840 --> 00:20:49.840 absolutely incredible so accommodating it was very cool to see I got to bring 00:20:49.840 --> 00:20:53.840 a much larger posse this time so I had Luke with me 00:20:53.840 --> 00:20:57.840 I brought Yvonne and Sammy was there 00:20:57.840 --> 00:21:01.840 just chilling in his room because the ladies are sleeping anyway the point is 00:21:01.840 --> 00:21:05.840 we'll talk through what happened with the demo that 00:21:05.840 --> 00:21:09.840 failed and before we go any further I want to make it 00:21:09.840 --> 00:21:13.840 clear this was not Lenovo's fault 00:21:13.840 --> 00:21:17.840 I don't think it was really anyone's fault it was just 00:21:17.840 --> 00:21:21.840 a bad set of circumstances we're also going to be talking 00:21:21.840 --> 00:21:25.840 about oh the 00:21:25.840 --> 00:21:29.840 alleged end of life of the 5070ti 00:21:29.840 --> 00:21:33.840 and 5060ti 16 gig 00:21:33.840 --> 00:21:37.840 but then maybe they are not it's 00:21:37.840 --> 00:21:41.840 sounds it seems a little complicated speaking of 00:21:41.840 --> 00:21:45.840 NVIDIA graphics cards Jensen says that NVIDIA could potentially 00:21:45.840 --> 00:21:49.840 resurrect old GPUs to address shortages and high 00:21:49.840 --> 00:21:53.840 pricing what is that oh yeah I meant to pick that one that one's really good 00:21:53.840 --> 00:21:57.840 there we go that's good do we want really bad news 00:21:57.840 --> 00:22:01.840 after that? sure which one? 00:22:03.840 --> 00:22:07.840 stop why you have to be like this 00:22:07.840 --> 00:22:11.840 I'm not talking to him I'm talking to the world police unmasks millions of 00:22:11.840 --> 00:22:15.840 surveillance targets because of flock redaction error 00:22:17.840 --> 00:22:21.840 intro? intro? yeah we don't have a button music 00:22:21.840 --> 00:22:25.840 music music 00:22:25.840 --> 00:22:29.840 music music 00:22:29.840 --> 00:22:33.840 music music 00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:37.840 music music 00:22:37.840 --> 00:22:41.840 the show is brought to you today by Vessy 00:22:41.840 --> 00:22:45.840 where space Miro and Jawa 00:22:45.840 --> 00:22:49.840 along with our Razer 00:22:49.840 --> 00:22:53.840 well I can imagine sitting in a 00:22:53.840 --> 00:22:57.840 Razer chair there we go our laptop partner also Razer 00:22:57.840 --> 00:23:01.840 and our rap partner dbrand why don't we jump right 00:23:01.840 --> 00:23:05.840 into the headline topic which is of course the demo that 00:23:05.840 --> 00:23:09.840 failed I was 00:23:09.840 --> 00:23:13.840 mortified it's an unscripted show 00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:17.840 which means that someone's kind of 00:23:17.840 --> 00:23:21.840 working off the cuff a little bit but obviously when you're doing 00:23:21.840 --> 00:23:25.840 a tech demo you need to kind of practice what you want to say 00:23:25.840 --> 00:23:29.840 a little bit you need to make sure that you know what 00:23:29.840 --> 00:23:33.840 all the right hot keys you're supposed to hit are Luke heard me in the 00:23:33.840 --> 00:23:37.840 in the back room basically just going 00:23:37.840 --> 00:23:41.840 lollipop star peach pink frost 00:23:41.840 --> 00:23:45.840 seros rover just making sure that I got all 00:23:45.840 --> 00:23:49.840 the names right because these aren't products that I'm intimately 00:23:49.840 --> 00:23:53.840 familiar with and have been using for six months and things that 00:23:53.840 --> 00:23:57.840 I just learned about the existence of at CES a week ago 00:23:57.840 --> 00:24:01.840 and under live pressure you have to come up with the names of 00:24:01.840 --> 00:24:05.840 four individual things in a really really tight timeline and talk about them like I knew my segment 00:24:05.840 --> 00:24:09.840 was going to be cut down to five minutes which is 00:24:09.840 --> 00:24:13.840 not a lot I could have done five minutes on just the lollipop 00:24:13.840 --> 00:24:17.840 easily so I'm like I'm back there I'm like 00:24:17.840 --> 00:24:21.840 I'm memorizing I'm figuring out what to do I had kind of a 00:24:21.840 --> 00:24:25.840 cute idea for how I wanted to work the screwdriver in by having 00:24:25.840 --> 00:24:29.840 Jimmy press the hot key to expand the screen the second 00:24:29.840 --> 00:24:33.840 time because it's supposed to go from 16 inches to 21 and a half inches 00:24:33.840 --> 00:24:37.840 to 24 inches and I guess I should back up a little 00:24:37.840 --> 00:24:41.840 bit we had the Lenovo expanding screen laptop on the tonight show 00:24:41.840 --> 00:24:45.840 that's not its name last night yeah it's called the Legion pro 00:24:45.840 --> 00:24:49.840 rollable concept there you go 00:24:49.840 --> 00:24:53.840 got to memorize the things rehearsals and that's not it's not the kind of thing that rolls off 00:24:53.840 --> 00:24:57.840 the top of it anyway 00:24:57.840 --> 00:25:01.840 in the middle of taping it just stopped working 00:25:01.840 --> 00:25:05.840 and where was it right so I had this idea 00:25:05.840 --> 00:25:09.840 that the hot key to expand it a second time I was going to have him press it with the screwdriver 00:25:09.840 --> 00:25:13.840 and then I was going to have him be kind of confused like why did you have me do this I could have pressed this with my finger 00:25:13.840 --> 00:25:17.840 so yeah so so he had already expanded it 00:25:17.840 --> 00:25:21.840 once it expands two times but he hadn't revealed to them that it expands two times 00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:25.840 yet yeah so he was like I can do something and he's going to mess around with the screwdriver and then hand it to Jimmy 00:25:25.840 --> 00:25:29.840 yeah it was kind of like what I had in my brain but then it never expanded 00:25:29.840 --> 00:25:33.840 in the first place so that's why me just like pulling 00:25:33.840 --> 00:25:37.840 out the screwdriver is just sort of random because I was 00:25:37.840 --> 00:25:41.840 full deer in headlights guys I was mortified 00:25:41.840 --> 00:25:45.840 I think even the YouTube version doesn't have the whole laptop it right no yeah so it 00:25:45.840 --> 00:25:49.840 goes on for a while it's not random that he pulls the screwdriver out it's decided that 00:25:49.840 --> 00:25:53.840 they're not going to do this and then he has to find some way to like 00:25:53.840 --> 00:25:57.840 and like I had I saw some people in the comments that are like oh you should have rebooted it 00:25:57.840 --> 00:26:01.840 you should have done this you should have done that we were we were there for a while we rebooted it 00:26:01.840 --> 00:26:05.840 we I looked to see if Lenovo had any 00:26:05.840 --> 00:26:09.840 special software on it that was needed to be loaded so that the 00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:13.840 expanding screen would work and there was nothing I 00:26:13.840 --> 00:26:17.840 I was sitting there in full panic mode because the tonight show 00:26:17.840 --> 00:26:21.840 staff had showed me how to use it ahead of time so that I would 00:26:21.840 --> 00:26:25.840 know and I practiced it a little bit I kind of thought through how I wanted to do it and I played 00:26:25.840 --> 00:26:29.840 around with the hot keys and I was like okay I'm good I gave it back to them to charge and make 00:26:29.840 --> 00:26:33.840 sure that it was charging and I realized 00:26:33.840 --> 00:26:37.840 oh my god shortly before I came out here they went 00:26:37.840 --> 00:26:41.840 oh yeah by the way Lenovo had this little note for you and I opened it up and I went 00:26:41.840 --> 00:26:45.840 oh yeah it's just the instructions for how to use it and I didn't read it 00:26:45.840 --> 00:26:49.840 because they had already showed me how to use it and as I was sitting there on stage going 00:26:49.840 --> 00:26:53.840 oh my god it's not working did I need to read that was there something in there 00:26:53.840 --> 00:26:57.840 that was like a troubleshooting step so my brain is going like 00:26:57.840 --> 00:27:01.840 a thousand miles a minute while Marcelo and Jimmy are like 00:27:01.840 --> 00:27:05.840 cracking performance jokes which honestly 00:27:05.840 --> 00:27:09.840 saved it it was a very funny segment yes they saved it 00:27:11.840 --> 00:27:15.840 but in that moment I was like oh my god 00:27:15.840 --> 00:27:19.840 I just want this to work in the in the back room while we're watching 00:27:19.840 --> 00:27:23.840 the first camera angle didn't properly really show the keyboard 00:27:23.840 --> 00:27:27.840 I thought you had defaulted to like Windows key arrows and was like 00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:31.840 panic in the back room like function key it's function key trying to think like do I need to 00:27:31.840 --> 00:27:35.840 run out there and like say something but then it changed camera angles and I saw you on function key 00:27:35.840 --> 00:27:39.840 and then the second thought was and I haven't told you about this until now 00:27:39.840 --> 00:27:43.840 and it was not the problem but when I was working on the laptop 00:27:43.840 --> 00:27:47.840 I noticed it was running like quite cranked all the time 00:27:47.840 --> 00:27:51.840 so I went through and tried to trim some like startup services and stuff 00:27:53.840 --> 00:27:57.840 that wasn't it that was not it so I think I know what it was 00:27:57.840 --> 00:28:01.840 and it wasn't really anyone's fault it was just 00:28:01.840 --> 00:28:05.840 a thing that happened because when I went backstage 00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:09.840 and waited another I think probably minute it started working again 00:28:09.840 --> 00:28:13.840 so it worked perfectly every time up until I was on stage 00:28:13.840 --> 00:28:17.840 and then it worked perfectly every time afterward on and running 00:28:17.840 --> 00:28:21.840 in the backpack I was getting to that sorry so I even 00:28:21.840 --> 00:28:25.840 practiced with it running in the backpack and pulled it out 00:28:25.840 --> 00:28:29.840 and did it but I never had it in for so long 00:28:29.840 --> 00:28:33.840 so the reason that it was running while it was in the backpack was so that 00:28:33.840 --> 00:28:37.840 I could just open it and it would be ready to go that show business 00:28:37.840 --> 00:28:41.840 baby you gotta you gotta but I think that's what actually 00:28:41.840 --> 00:28:45.840 killed us because what I suspect is that there was some kind 00:28:45.840 --> 00:28:49.840 of thermal fail safe in the motors 00:28:49.840 --> 00:28:53.840 that open up the rollable led display something 00:28:53.840 --> 00:28:57.840 and as soon as it cooled down a little bit it started 00:28:57.840 --> 00:29:01.840 working again and I even thought about it so 00:29:01.840 --> 00:29:05.840 I don't know if you notice this but like when I open my backpack to like start taking things out 00:29:05.840 --> 00:29:09.840 I like really opened it and I like made sure that it was open 00:29:09.840 --> 00:29:13.840 a bit because I knew that the laptop was running in there and I knew that it ran kind of hot 00:29:13.840 --> 00:29:17.840 it's a prototype machine I did notice that you did that but I thought you're just trying to see all the products 00:29:17.840 --> 00:29:21.840 you could grab them easily I didn't really have anything in there I just had the headphones in that pouch 00:29:21.840 --> 00:29:25.840 and the laptop that makes sense that was it so once I had the headphones out the laptop 00:29:25.840 --> 00:29:29.840 was the only thing in there I just wanted to give it a little bit of room to breathe 00:29:29.840 --> 00:29:33.840 but it clearly wasn't enough and I 00:29:33.840 --> 00:29:37.840 I feel bad for literally everyone involved I feel bad for Lenovo 00:29:37.840 --> 00:29:41.840 because obviously it's a really cool product and it would have been sick and it 00:29:41.840 --> 00:29:45.840 I feel bad for the tonight show because it would have been great for their segment it would have been another 00:29:45.840 --> 00:29:49.840 mega viral clip on top of the one that's going absolutely 00:29:49.840 --> 00:29:53.840 bonkers on Instagram and Tiktok right now for the Lollipop star 00:29:53.840 --> 00:29:57.840 vibrating Lollipop and I feel bad for me because 00:29:57.840 --> 00:30:01.840 I was so I honestly don't know 00:30:01.840 --> 00:30:05.840 how I pulled it together for the Roborock segment and you did quite well thank you 00:30:05.840 --> 00:30:09.840 I was mortified I just and 00:30:09.840 --> 00:30:13.840 you can see it one of the top upvoted comments on the 00:30:13.840 --> 00:30:17.840 YouTube upload his line is just booked in 00:30:17.840 --> 00:30:21.840 yeah that was very funny that was 00:30:21.840 --> 00:30:25.840 okay so backstage we didn't see that part 00:30:25.840 --> 00:30:29.840 so what I will say when we were watching backstage 00:30:29.840 --> 00:30:33.840 I was very proud of how you got it together for the Roborock part and the screwdriver part 00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:37.840 and then it just cut we didn't see him exit the stage and then 00:30:37.840 --> 00:30:41.840 we were watching the segment like in the hotel room late at night 00:30:41.840 --> 00:30:45.840 you see you and like right in front of the table too 00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:49.840 and just ignored both of them they like 00:30:49.840 --> 00:30:53.840 yeah no good 00:30:53.840 --> 00:30:57.840 why I burst 00:30:57.840 --> 00:31:01.840 out laughing last night watching I was like oh my god 00:31:03.840 --> 00:31:07.840 because you see like the previous guest like take a while 00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:11.840 shake hands and then sit in the chair and talk as it like kind of fades out 00:31:11.840 --> 00:31:15.840 I know that's what you're supposed to do you just booked it 00:31:15.840 --> 00:31:19.840 I was so hyper focused on going and 00:31:19.840 --> 00:31:23.840 troubleshooting the laptop and I was just so like 00:31:23.840 --> 00:31:27.840 it dragged on for so much longer during the taping so it felt 00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:31.840 like that was the whole thing and like honestly I was talking 00:31:31.840 --> 00:31:35.840 to Yvonne last night I was like if they invite me back I don't know if I want to come 00:31:37.840 --> 00:31:41.840 I'm glad that the clips are doing really well on Tiktok and Instagram 00:31:41.840 --> 00:31:45.840 like it's not this really is not about the money for me this is just a 00:31:45.840 --> 00:31:49.840 really cool fun collab it's such an honor to be invited 00:31:49.840 --> 00:31:53.840 I don't know how long traditional TV is going to exist for so getting to participate 00:31:53.840 --> 00:31:57.840 in it while it's while there is still the glitz and the glamour and they still have 00:31:57.840 --> 00:32:01.840 their their funding and everything like it's it's it's pretty 00:32:01.840 --> 00:32:05.840 it's pretty cool to to a boomer ass millennial like me 00:32:05.840 --> 00:32:09.840 like the purchase while going on the tonight show and 00:32:09.840 --> 00:32:13.840 and being there like seeing the way that they work it's just 00:32:13.840 --> 00:32:17.840 yes it's different and and and I understand 00:32:17.840 --> 00:32:21.840 that there's a lot of people that don't necessarily value that 00:32:21.840 --> 00:32:25.840 and that you know cable TV is really struggling and and and all of that 00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:29.840 stuff like I I get that but also being there like 00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:33.840 like you said that seeing the production was a really cool oh it was very we want to talk 00:32:33.840 --> 00:32:37.840 about that a little bit without saying too much what I'll say is the stuff that I know 00:32:37.840 --> 00:32:41.840 I can for sure say be considering it's it's all where the the public audience 00:32:41.840 --> 00:32:45.840 sits but literally just looking up at the like cloud grid 00:32:45.840 --> 00:32:49.840 so the framing that they have in the ceiling that supports all the lights 00:32:49.840 --> 00:32:53.840 and stuff oh my god yeah like 00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:57.840 what the heck it's it's this field 00:32:57.840 --> 00:33:01.840 of very tightly nested lights and other various 00:33:01.840 --> 00:33:05.840 production equipment that is completely covers the entire 00:33:05.840 --> 00:33:09.840 ceiling because they have to be able to adapt to everything they're gonna be ready for anything 00:33:09.840 --> 00:33:13.840 seeing how they dealt with the stage with all the fog and the fake shark thing 00:33:13.840 --> 00:33:17.840 and the and the contest and being able to have that out and then reset 00:33:17.840 --> 00:33:21.840 that and then keep doing the show right away like the time gaps between doing that 00:33:21.840 --> 00:33:25.840 is like way shorter than you would expect and the 00:33:25.840 --> 00:33:29.840 they're just so thoughtful like when I first 00:33:29.840 --> 00:33:33.840 heard them explain the shark game so if you haven't seen the segment with Jason 00:33:33.840 --> 00:33:37.840 Mamoa and Jimmy Fallon basically they're standing on what kind of look 00:33:37.840 --> 00:33:41.840 like little peers or little docks and there's a cute little 00:33:41.840 --> 00:33:45.840 shark fin on roller skates that's kind of rolling around in the fog 00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:49.840 in front of them and they have to ask each other they have to make a statement and the 00:33:49.840 --> 00:33:53.840 other has to guess true or false and when I first heard the rules 00:33:53.840 --> 00:33:57.840 explained I thought the way it worked was that I make my statement and 00:33:57.840 --> 00:34:01.840 if you guess wrong yours expands 00:34:01.840 --> 00:34:05.840 right but then Yvonne was like no no no matter what 00:34:05.840 --> 00:34:09.840 on every question someone's legs expand 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.840 oh did I say that yet right so there's part of the peers on rollers 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:17.840 so it can open up sort of forcing you to 00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:21.840 do the splits eventually so you're supposed to try to fool the other persons 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:25.840 if you don't fool them your thing kind of goes out which requires your legs to 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:29.840 kind of do the splits a bit and if you don't fool them theirs goes 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.840 yeah so I didn't realize that and as soon as she said that no matter what 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:37.840 on every question someone's legs expand 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.840 I was like that's so thoughtful there's a fixed timer 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:45.840 that's right it can only go from this amount of time to this amount of time 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.840 which is great for TV for the kinds of tight scheduling that they have 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.840 to do and it's one of those things that if you've never 00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.840 tried to run a production you'll not fully appreciate but if you ever 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.840 have tried to run a production and if you've ever had like a game show 00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:05.840 or a bit that wasn't carefully thought through 00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:09.840 in that way you'll know that 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:13.840 oh my god things can just start to drag on because we're in a stalemate 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.840 and nobody's winning this thing and there's also just like the time 00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.840 of production I was talking to Emma about this when we were sitting waiting for it to go live 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:25.840 on actual TV the fact that we did this all today 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.840 and then there's an edited version out going on TV 00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:33.840 and there's Instagram clips and there's different versions of edited versions 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.840 going on YouTube and everything else and it all went up on time 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:41.840 and it was all titled properly and it was all tagged properly it was all handled properly, it was all published, it was all edited 00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:43.840 and those edits had to come in 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:49.840 like two hours or something because they had to all be published as well 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.840 I don't know why I assumed that like 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.840 someone like Jimmy is mostly just kind of the star 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:01.840 but I hope I'm not disclosing too much right now 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:05.840 I think it's a very cool thing so hopefully no one gets mad at me for this 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.840 but we got a note from them on the edit of my segment 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.840 and they were like oh yeah Jimmy really likes this and he really likes this 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.840 apparently he's like sitting there clearly was considering the edits 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.840 like involved in the YouTube edit 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.840 so like it's not, he's not just caring about the TV okay 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:29.840 they care about all of it check that out internet audience 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:33.840 we are like totally not an afterthought even for one of like him or not 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.840 don't care one of the biggest stars in the business 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:41.840 which objectively he is you can like that, you can not like it 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:45.840 it doesn't matter, he's one of the biggest stars in the business and for him to still be 00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.840 personally level, I just think he's really cool 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.840 I respect the heck out of that because he could easily just be like 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.840 nope, the camera is off, I'm going home yeah 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.840 and what are they going to say like he's got that star power that 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.840 what do you do, you recast Jimmy Fallon so I just 00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.840 yeah, I just think it's really cool yeah awesomenator in flip plane chat says yeah I was 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.840 in the audience back when it was late show and even from an audience perspective 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.840 it's amazing how well oiled the machine is it's crazy 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:21.840 and like this all the timelines are extremely short and all this kind of stuff 00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:25.840 nobody really seems to be panicking no, there was fast 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.840 people move with intent and they will speak with intensity 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:33.840 sometimes but everything is super respectful 00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:37.840 everything is very professional 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:41.840 I felt so taken care of the whole time yeah just 100% 00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:45.840 no pressure but 100% 100% 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.840 I mean it makes complete sense given the timelines 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:53.840 and the nature of show biz but there was a lot of people 00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:57.840 and when that's the case there will always be a lot of hurry up and wait 00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.840 but there was also very clearly an error of like 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:05.840 respect the person doing a thing 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.840 so if you were one of the currently waiting people 00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:13.840 you were out of the way I noticed 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:17.840 I don't want to necessarily get into the details because now we're getting into a part where audience wouldn't be there 00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:21.840 and naturally see it but you could tell there was a bit of a flow 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.840 of like okay I'm doing a thing I'm actually working, working, working, working 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:29.840 I don't need to do anything now I am detaching myself completely 00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:33.840 I'm not even physically be in the way but I can quickly get back to it if needed 00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.840 it was cool watching the machine work was really cool 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:41.840 they're also very accommodating very easy to work with 00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:45.840 this is another one of those things where like when the laptop problem happened 00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:49.840 I think with like our experience this is like 00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.840 DEF CON 1 and for them they were like 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:57.840 we have enough footage, we'll edit, we're good we got this and it was like oh 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:01.840 and they were really reassuring about that even though I was like not in my best mood 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.840 well we were fully understand because like from our perspective 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:11.840 the laptop's the coolest part and then apparently the internet likes musical lollipops 00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:15.840 so it's okay to be clear I also knew the musical lollipop 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.840 was gonna play well for their audience and that was why 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:23.840 I wanted to lead with it actually but I wanted 00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:27.840 the laptop to be kind of like the but wait there's more 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:31.840 you know and then it wasn't and 00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.840 we got pretty lucky Roborock demo went as flawlessly as it did 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:39.840 if you want to go back to that clip 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:43.840 watch it as it's going to do the first stair was pretty clean 00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:47.840 as it's going to do it's second stair it does a little bit of a rock back 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:51.840 right before it goes on and then when it sets down on the second stair it's not as on the stairs 00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.840 the first time it's very prototype and Roborock knew that 00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.840 and they took a gamble coming and being on this stage 00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:03.840 because it could have just as easily been them instead of the Lenovo 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:07.840 and I really respect them taking that gamble and respect the heck out of Lenovo 00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.840 respect the heck out of anyone I mean 00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:15.840 it's worth it the TDM, the foldable headphones 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:19.840 both Jimmy and I fold them the wrong way the first time 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:23.840 every other time I practiced it I did it the right way and it's just 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.840 it's something about you've got a live audience you've got the lights, you've got 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.840 some of the most famous people in the world sitting next to you 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:35.840 gesturing towards me but gesturing in a direction 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.840 I almost have a Wikipedia page there's a temporal gap here 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.840 and so you just you feel the pressure right 00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:49.840 and it's so I'm so grateful to 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:51.840 partners like that for the work that they did 00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.840 getting things together and getting everything to us 00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.840 and not everyone gets the shot 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.840 some things or maybes even in the hours leading up to taping 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:09.840 we had this Rubik's Cube with screens on it that was really cool 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.840 but just we had too many items 00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:17.840 and it just didn't make the cut four products, five total minutes 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:21.840 including intros and stuff like it's 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.840 and so everyone takes a gamble 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:29.840 everyone works really hard to make it happen and I'm just, yeah, I'm super grateful 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.840 to everyone who made it a success on our team as well 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.840 Sean from Bizneyland put a ton of work into coordinating everything 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:41.840 James was the guy in the chair at CES this year helping coordinate all this stuff 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:45.840 getting on calls with the Tonight Show team yeah, it's just a whole 00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:49.840 it's a whole team effort and I genuinely believe 00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:53.840 because they didn't have to invite us back right 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:57.840 I genuinely believe that it is reflective 00:41:57.840 --> 00:42:01.840 of the professionalism of our team that we were invited back 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.840 to do this so I'm super, super proud 00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.840 I hope it happens again I really like the idea of it being 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:13.840 kind of an annual thing and I know last time 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:17.840 there was the invite to come again but there wasn't really a date 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.840 and then it sort of happened to happen now if that happens again, great 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.840 I like the idea of it being an annual thing yeah 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:29.840 I mean we got a bigger entourage this year 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:33.840 it seemed like they liked us, which is pretty cool 00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:37.840 someone asked in chat if I got paid this time I actually don't know 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:41.840 so I know the first time they offered and we just couldn't get 00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:45.840 some forms filled out for me to 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:49.840 make income in the States because when I cover a show 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:53.840 like when I go down in G C E S it's kind of a gray area 00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:57.840 because a lot of our editing will actually be done 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.840 back in Canada and you're totally allowed to just 00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.840 be a correspondent or interview people 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:09.840 it really is for social media in particular 00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.840 it's kind of a gray area and has been for a very long time 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:17.840 but when I come down into the States and I'm working 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:21.840 paid by a US entity it's way more complicated 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:25.840 and I think the first time we just were like yeah we don't have time to deal with this paperwork 00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:29.840 I have no idea if we did it this time 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.840 I'm sure they would have offered but what I said to someone who commented on it last time 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:37.840 is like look don't get the wrong impression about me commenting last time 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:41.840 that I wasn't paid I don't care 00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:45.840 I haven't heard literally a single person ever mention it this time 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.840 they know it was they mentioned this time that I wasn't last time 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.840 and asked if I was this time and I actually don't know 00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:57.840 and I actually don't care because it's just really, really fun 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.840 and people should not be compensated for in exposure 00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:05.840 and for fun people should be paid for their work but I'm good 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.840 it's okay I'm alright 00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.840 so that's the I am in a position to make that decision for myself 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.840 even if I wouldn't make that decision on behalf of someone else 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:21.840 if that makes sense no they definitely didn't pay 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.840 for everyone to fly here that was on my dime 00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.840 heck yeah um 00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:33.840 alright what do we want to talk about 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:37.840 call the Floatplane there's gonna be a found vlog soon 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:41.840 okay can they hear him I don't know if they can pick him up 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:45.840 alright cool project 00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:49.840 there's gonna be a jimmy found vlog 2026 edition soon on Floatplane 00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:53.840 LMG.gg okay I don't know 00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:57.840 it's being approved right now okay yeah we're just waiting for their team to look at it 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.840 because it includes footage of me like talking to jimmy right uh yes yeah okay 00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.840 it's an entire trip yeah okay cool and why I'm in this crappy room instead of a big room 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:09.840 oh that's that okay that's a plotline that's kind of fun 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:13.840 jimmy's first room was not great 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.840 in some ways it was nicer and in some very key very important ways it was not 00:45:17.840 --> 00:45:21.840 anyways next topic yeah sure 00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.840 we can't see Dan's cards so the card says topic too yeah 00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:29.840 CEO jenzin wong says NVIDIA could potentially resurrect 00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.840 old GPU's to address shortages and 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.840 high pricing okay I have not seen any further than the headline for this 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:41.840 so this is going to be me with an uninformed hot take 00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:45.840 I love it yeah but but go ahead 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.840 sure at a q&a with NVIDIA in las vegas for CES jensen was asked something along 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:53.840 the lines of this is paraphrasing gaming GPU prices 00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:57.840 are high right now likely due to supply constraints producing 00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:01.840 older generation GPU's I hope he said that or lower vram 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:05.840 models help ease pricing and are there any concrete steps 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.840 NVIDIA is considering jensen's reply what I don't know if this 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.840 one's paraphrasing or not but jensen's reply was yeah possibly and 00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:17.840 we could possibly depending on the so this makes me think it's a real quote 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:21.840 depending on which generation we could also 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:25.840 bring the latest generation ai technology to the previous generation GPU's which they 00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:29.840 have done before and that will require a fair amount of engineering 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:33.840 but it's also within the realm of possibility I'll go back and take 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.840 a look at this it's a good idea I would love 00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:41.840 assuming that means 4.5 on older GPU because there is a so 00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:45.840 it would it would probably mean that which the older GPU's could probably 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.840 handle because I think 4.5 is running decent on four or wait 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.840 does 4.5 run on 40 series I think it does DLSS 4.5 but it's frame gen 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.840 that I think is not running on 40 series at the at the 00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:01.840 higher levels of of frame generation 00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:05.840 so that's I think that's probably where he's looking at it going yeah we'd have to 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:09.840 do a bunch of engineering on this but from my point of view 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.840 so there's multiple constraints on on the whole 00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:17.840 GPU supply thing right there's the 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.840 there's the TSMC manufacturing capacity on the nodes 00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.840 that these GPU's are being manufactured at there's the 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:29.840 just general supply crunch for anything 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:33.840 related to computer memory so the way that memory manufacturers 00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.840 are allocating their production to 00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.840 data center oriented parts rather than consumer 00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:45.840 oriented parts and then I don't know if this has changed since the last time I 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.840 looked into it but apparently the silicon the silicon 00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:53.840 the silicon wafers themselves that both of those are produced 00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.840 on are in short supply so this isn't going to help with 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.840 that because if anything producing last generation 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.840 GPU's on an older node 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.840 is going to be less efficient in terms of 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:13.840 how much compute you make per wafer you 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.840 they produce yeah it also won't necessarily help 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:21.840 on the memory side unless 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.840 the memory manufacturers have manufacturing capacity 00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:29.840 at older nodes to make older slower memory and they 00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:33.840 can get enough silicon wafers so as long as we can get 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.840 enough wafers then I actually 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:41.840 love this because and you can hate NVIDIA for a lot of reasons 00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:45.840 and I'm gonna be like 00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:49.840 okay but one of the things that you can't 00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.840 really hate them for and I think they actually do maybe not 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:57.840 industry leading but certainly top tier 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:01.840 like S tier job of is supporting their products 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:05.840 for a long time after they go end of sales so if they were 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:09.840 to bring back 40 series GPU's I would 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.840 and I hope I don't eat these words I hope NVIDIA has 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.840 the integrity for what I'm saying to be true but 00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.840 I would believe that they would extend the EOL of the support 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:25.840 on those cards because it seems like maybe like driver wise 00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:29.840 yeah it seems like their calendar for end of life 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:33.840 support starts where sales ends from 00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:37.840 what I've seen of them in the past whereas you'll have companies 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:41.840 that compete directly with NVIDIA like AMD that will just be 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.840 like no not that one anymore which I also 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.840 understand I understand where AMD is coming from they have 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.840 had cards in the past that as far as I can tell 00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:57.840 existed for one or two production runs and then just 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.840 didn't exist anymore what was that that radio remember radion 7 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.840 oh yeah like what was that yeah kind of 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:09.840 as far as I could tell they had some like data center chips that 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:13.840 didn't make the cut and they just like dumped them in a consumer 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.840 card sharded them onto the market and then how long did that card get supported 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:21.840 for like not very long not very long like it was pretty 00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:25.840 bad and it was the same with remember that water cooled 00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:29.840 like fury one you remember radion fury that was a weird 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:33.840 era that was a particularly very very weird era on the AMD 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.840 side we're not quite done the topic though I'm going to keep adding a little bit because this might change some of the opinions 00:50:37.840 --> 00:50:41.840 oh well no I think it's okay but 00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:45.840 so the answer from Jensen was a little vague but it does line up with 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:49.840 the rumors reported on by videocards.com with the 00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:53.840 with the Z that the RTX 3060 00:50:53.840 --> 00:50:57.840 so not 4000 series 3000 series is coming back 00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.840 for Q1 2026 however 00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:05.840 3060 is a good card it is a good card it's just you were talking about 4000 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.840 so I just wanted to add that in there okay however it seems more likely that NVIDIA's board 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.840 partners are focusing on producing more RTX 5060 and 5060 TI 00:51:13.840 --> 00:51:17.840 models while moving away from the 60 gig models 00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:21.840 and then it says as a Chinese board channels post insinuates 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.840 they are which seems even more likely 00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.840 after recent news that ASUS is ending production of its 5070 TI 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:33.840 ah the 5070 TI is like the good one 00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:37.840 in the 50 series lineup I really like the 5070 TI we used it 00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:41.840 in two build guides recently we used it in the MSRP PC 00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:45.840 and we used it in our $2000 gaming PC build guide 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:49.840 I really like that card at $750 obviously it's a crap 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:53.840 ton of money but it's a really fast card 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:57.840 like with a little bit of the LSS not too much little bit of 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:01.840 little bit of super sampling you don't even have to use frame gen it's a legitimate 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:05.840 4k gaming card and it's obviously 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.840 got support for all of NVIDIA's latest features if you if you want to turn those things on 00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.840 it is oh god ah 00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:17.840 oh no I have prices already skyrocketed on it 00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:21.840 as recently as like a week or two ago 00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.840 it was available at MSRP 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:29.840 and that does not appear to be the case anymore 00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:33.840 at least not on new egg hold on I'm sorting by lowest price 00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.840 oh my god the lowest 5070 TI 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:41.840 am I in the Canada site or something because it's a thousand 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:43.840 it's over a thousand dollars 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.840 oh no 00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:53.840 no not cool not cool 00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:57.840 hold on hold on hold on hold on okay I'm holding on I'm holding on what am I holding on to 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.840 so hub hardware unboxed has a video from a day ago talking about 00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:05.840 the 5070 TI potentially being killed off which they 00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:09.840 now added an update to the title somebody in full plane chat 00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.840 quantum jank in full plane chat notified me of this 00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:17.840 and then they have a pinned comment which is 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:21.840 very long nice solid 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:25.840 that says sorry everyone but we've been provided with another clarifying statement 00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:29.840 from ASUS this one completely walks back their original statement to us 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:33.840 we would like to clarify recent reports regarding the ASUS gforce 00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:37.840 RTX TM 5070 TI and RTX TM 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:41.840 okay okay certain media may have received incomplete information 00:53:41.840 --> 00:53:45.840 from ASUS PR representative regarding these products they have not 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:49.840 been discontinued or designated end of life ASUS has no plans to stop selling these models 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.840 current fluctuations and supply for both memory constraints 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:57.840 blah blah blah basically what it sounds like to me 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.840 is that someone at ASUS was like well yeah because it's so 00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:05.840 much RAM per board we'd much rather sell 5070s 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:09.840 and 5060 TI 8 gigs and so effectively 00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.840 we're not going to be making any of these because remember NVIDIA apparently 00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.840 switched from providing the GPU die 00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:21.840 and the accompanying VRAM as a kit to just selling GPU dies 00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:25.840 so in doing so NVIDIA effectively seeded control 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:29.840 of exactly what their partners are making so what this sounds 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:33.840 like to me and I don't know I didn't talk to ASUS about it 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.840 I haven't even talked to hardware unboxed about it but what it sounds like to me 00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:41.840 is that someone at ASUS real talk was like 00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.840 realistically if I have 16 gigs of VRAM and I have 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.840 GPUs I'm going to make 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.840 2 GPUs not 1 GPU so deal with it 00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.840 because we've seen many cases in the past where like 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:01.840 a new GPU launches and there's like a vanilla MSRP1 00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:05.840 and it never gets formally discontinued but they just like don't make any 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:09.840 and they only make the OC and the Strix and the Matrix 00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:13.840 and the Astral and like whatever right 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.840 we've seen this playbook a hundred times so it sounds to me 00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.840 like it's the playbook but then someone saw these comments 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:25.840 and was like yo you said the quiet part out loud brother 00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.840 you can't do that you might be dealing with a lot of rumors 00:55:29.840 --> 00:55:33.840 Shraff is also saying that selling the die in memory separately was just a rumor 00:55:33.840 --> 00:55:37.840 yeah that's why I said apparently I would also like to say 00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.840 that if you want more of this timeline you should check out 00:55:41.840 --> 00:55:45.840 the video from hardware unboxed which is titled the RTX 5070ti 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.840 has dot dot dot maybe question mark been killed off brackets update 00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.840 the reason why I'm saying that is check the pinned comment because they even have 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:57.840 a timeline of things that have happened and where they're currently at 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.840 so yeah if you want to stay on top of this 00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:05.840 this is interesting hub seems to be probably the way the place to go right now 00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:11.840 okay if I want to 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.840 if I want to see okay I just want a particular part 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:21.840 I tried the other thing but we don't have a thing for that thing 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:23.840 I'm just going to go 5070ti 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.840 here we go oh right I can't screen share 00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:33.840 so I won't be showing you guys any of this hardware unboxed 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:37.840 not the other hub my goodness 00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:41.840 I can't see what you're doing on your screen you might not find the right information for the 5070ti stock 00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:45.840 on that one yeah so 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:49.840 the cheapest 5070ti that I can find 00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:53.840 MSI Ventus that is 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.840 listed available soon on Amazon.com 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.840 what does that mean I don't know but the next one 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:05.840 and that's for $830 so $80 over MSRP 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:09.840 and then the next one that actually shows in stock 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:13.840 is an ASUS tough gaming for $879 00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:17.840 $130 over MSRP 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:21.840 and yeah this this Ventus on Amazon 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:25.840 is showing $1200 when I actually click through on it 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:29.840 so I don't think that's a thing so yeah 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:33.840 5070ti apocalypse has officially already 00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.840 already happened that is 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:41.840 that's a downer oh at 441 00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:45.840 asks did we kill the B580 updates no we haven't let's go ahead and do it 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.840 it's LMG.gg slash 00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.840 new egg is that it is that our affiliate oh god 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:57.840 oh god it's happened 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:01.840 it's happened the asrock challenger is up to 291 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.840 $41 is it an OC 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.840 I don't think it's an overclocked model so we're still tuning this 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.840 but as some people have noticed 00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:21.840 the Labs website has pricing on it now 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:25.840 for different things yes it does we don't have a ton of graphics cards 00:58:25.840 --> 00:58:29.840 for reasons that are kind of boring and we won't necessarily get into but yet 00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:33.840 we do have the B580 so you can go to the B580 page 00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:37.840 on the Labs website I can't really share my screen right now 00:58:37.840 --> 00:58:41.840 can you down the screen share it's hard but yeah 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:45.840 it's hard okay that's a detail we didn't need Dan 00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:49.840 maybe we'll show it better off next week oh my goodness 00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:53.840 I mean I don't blame him look at this man 00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:57.840 under the where to buy section you can see pricing for 00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.840 B&H, Amazon and new egg we are planning on adding more 00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:05.840 if you're a store and you're like why didn't you include us 00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:09.840 we very likely contacted you and you didn't reply we'd love to hear from you 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:13.840 and would love to have your pricing on the store thank you very much 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.840 there's a show availability in other regions so for us we can see Canada 00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:21.840 right now we just have US and Canada Canadian pricing looks not too bad on new egg 00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:25.840 and B&H has one for 259 is it actually in stock 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.840 if it's not in stock then we need to do better we check stock once a day 00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:33.840 okay oh it's in stock add to cart brilliant 00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:37.840 and it says on there when it was updated today is the Intel holiday bundle 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:41.840 on B&H because it's another so that's 260 00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.840 which I still consider to be within striking distance of MSRP 00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:49.840 I count that and that has the bundle okay I don't know if we have a B&H affiliate 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:53.840 code but that doesn't matter right now what matters is you get a 00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:57.840 I think we do oh well okay 00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.840 anyway the point is go pick up 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.840 whatever what does Intel call their founders click it click the buy now button through the Labs website 01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:09.840 yeah LTTlabs.com I don't know if we do or not but just 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.840 CADOS says we do I can get it one sec CADOS you don't even work here 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.840 why do you do that ah Flippling Dan is here and he said that we do 01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:21.840 okay so I don't know what it actually is but if you click the buy now button on the lab side it'll work 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:25.840 sick did I miss anything Dan did I did I say it all properly 01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:29.840 that is that is super cool that is gonna 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:33.840 dramatically increase the utility of the Labs website 01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:37.840 over time I'm very excited the Labs website 01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:41.840 just keeps tickin along keeps tickin 01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:45.840 along keeps getting a little bit better a little bit better I'm very excited 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:49.840 there is more coming soon like Dan said I don't want to say specifics yet 01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:53.840 because I like to just show them to you when they're here and ready but there is 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:57.840 more coming soon regarding pricing stuff we're planning of doing cool things 01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.840 but yeah for now it's a pretty quick way to price check 01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:05.840 alright well at least you can still get a B580 which I remind you guys is a perfectly 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:09.840 Cromulent Gaming Card for darn near MSRP 01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.840 I I'm pretty down 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:17.840 that the 5070TI is not a thing anymore because I really 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.840 liked that I felt like it was really the sweet spot in NVIDIA's lineup how about on the AMD side 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:23.840 let's actually have a look 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:29.840 that gets a little bit more difficult on the Labs website because 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:33.840 like I said we don't have a ton of GPUs yeah yeah that's fine so we're going back 01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:37.840 to look at a new egg can't share a screen so I'm trying to verbally 01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:41.840 yeah sorry guys he's currently scrolling on the new egg website 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:45.840 after searching for 9700XT yeah the 01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:49.840 with an in stock filter no I can't read this it says HR block 01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:53.840 don't worry about it the best deal right now is probably the 01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:57.840 Sashrock Challenger for 730 that's a 9070XT 01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.840 so that's substantially more than the BS 01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:05.840 MSRP that AMD fed to everyone but is 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:09.840 I would take this over a 5070TI 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:13.840 for a thousand dollars at the same price I would take the 5070TI 01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:17.840 no question especially seeing how good 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:21.840 DLSS 4.5 is do you have you tried it yet no you have 40 series 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.840 don't you yes okay if DLSS 4.5 is 01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:29.840 as good as I think it is we might owe you an upgrade sooner than I thought it's like 01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:33.840 a game changer wait what do you have though 01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.840 my rig still feels pretty good oh you have a 4080 okay 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:41.840 there isn't really a game that it struggled in yet I was thinking the other day 01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:45.840 like is it time and I think years wise it technically is 01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.840 but there's not that many new GPUs I think we hit you pretty early in the 01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:53.840 40 series life cycle year I think so because it feels pretty good 01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:57.840 I'm not going to push to get an upgrade when it still 01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:01.840 feels like a pretty smoking machine I don't know 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:05.840 I guess if we just want to farm the content it's fine but like it's 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:09.840 yeah there's nothing it struggled in I just crank settings on everything 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:13.840 whatever oh yeah and I think 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:17.840 4.5 as long as you don't care about the frame gen aspect which I suspect you don't 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:21.840 it should run just fine on 40 series I think it's just 30 series 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:25.840 and 20 series that it really struggles on because they just don't have a powerful 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:29.840 enough NPU to make the most out of it at least that's my understanding 01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:33.840 of it it's quite possible that you know the 01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:37.840 the elite hacksawers out there are going to find a way to just sort of make it work better or something 01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:41.840 and that's so cool and I empower to them I can't actually see it 01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:45.840 because it's covered in moss but I think it's the Noctua edition 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.840 4080 that makes sense yeah that makes a lot of sense 01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:53.840 Noah then asks what hoodies are these announced yet yes they 01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:57.840 are they're gone are they I'm pretty sure they were gone immediately 01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:03.840 like they sold out like very fast oh oh yeah like I think 01:04:03.840 --> 01:04:07.840 excels were gone in like 24 hours oh yeah we only have smalls and mediums in 01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.840 stock sorry are we planning to bring 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:15.840 them back I've been poking this I wasn't able to attend one 01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:19.840 meeting that they theoretically had about it so I'm not sure what might have happened there 01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:23.840 but I tried to say that maybe we should just have the sweater always be available 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:27.840 because it's like really cool always is tough because when something's 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.840 always available we talked about this in the pre-show there's no tension then there's no 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:35.840 there's no see ah 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:39.840 I don't want to like it's like that thing where when you don't do any of the cool things in 01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.840 your own town and then you travel and do all the stuff that's yes because it's always available when you're 01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:47.840 at home yes so there's no like pressure to actually do it but when you're traveling 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.840 somewhere then you're like well I'm only going to be over three days I gotta do everything I can so it's not that we're trying to 01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:55.840 like capitalize on FOMO but we also don't want to have 01:04:55.840 --> 01:04:59.840 tons of boxes in the warehouse not moving yeah 01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:03.840 and it's already restricted skew because you like have to be a Floatplane sub 01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:07.840 and if you weren't a Floatplane sub but bought the Floatplane hoodie that might be kind of weird 01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:11.840 maybe not that weird because it's actually just a really cool hoodie at the very least maybe what we could 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:15.840 do is another drop and yeah maybe what we could do is another drop 01:05:15.840 --> 01:05:19.840 yeah I just think it's awesome I think it's the coolest Floatplane merch we've 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:23.840 ever done so and like it's just a really nice hoodie 01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:27.840 so yeah maybe if it comes back every once in a while that'd be pretty sweet cool 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:31.840 alright Dan you might just have to like tell us what we're supposed to do 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:35.840 yeah I'm sure you could get through another topic how does that sound you could do another topic yeah why don't 01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:39.840 we do another topic how about oh how about just a short update 01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:43.840 the daily motion ownership thing is kind of a deeper 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.840 rabbit hole than we thought yeah yeah so after our 01:05:47.840 --> 01:05:51.840 discussion uh redditor pie plots made a post 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:55.840 kind of um enlightening us on the depth of this whole situation 01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.840 TLDR we were looking at it going daily motion what what is 01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:03.840 this this is like obviously a money furnace right yeah and 01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:07.840 the TLDR and maybe you could link it maybe Dan could you link his post in the chat 01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:11.840 yep um TLDR it's not about making money 01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:15.840 it's about having a platform for um the content 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:19.840 that's put out by other parts of the Bolleray Group's 01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:23.840 media empire uh which is 01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:27.840 attempting to influence the tone of discourse 01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:31.840 in French media particularly around 01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:35.840 politics so it's less about anyone actually 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.840 watching videos on daily motion or it being profitable and more about 01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:43.840 just flooding just just flooding the internet 01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:47.840 with a particular type of content so 01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.840 huge massive yikes if 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:55.840 this is true and I haven't seen anything here to indicate that it's not true 01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.840 does make insanely more sense oh yeah because 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:03.840 daily motion has always been very confusing to me and I you know 01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:07.840 it was kind of a known factor that something had to be going on but it's had 01:07:07.840 --> 01:07:11.840 no clue what and this makes so much more sense Lexson 01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:15.840 724 in Floatplane chat oh propaganda loss leader 01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:19.840 yippee yeah yeah pretty much yeah 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:23.840 like uh had you ever logged into twitter and noticed that you don't follow Elon Musk 01:07:23.840 --> 01:07:27.840 but his tweets are always right at the top of your home feed if I'm 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:31.840 in twitter I'm going to the bell as fast as I can or the little 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.840 male icon speaking of Tesla uh 01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:39.840 apparently they are discontinuing the 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:43.840 full all out purchase of full self-driving 01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:47.840 before they ever actually delivered it absolutely brilliant 01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:51.840 big Tesla moment Elon Musk 01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:55.840 announced that on February 14th Tesla full self-driving will only 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:59.840 be available as a monthly subscription instead of 01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:03.840 allowing people to purchase it outright currently 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:07.840 the full self-driving package costs 8000 US dollars and the monthly 01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:11.840 subscription is 100 dollars a month that means that 01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:15.840 if you subscribe for 6 years and 8 months 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:19.840 it will cost you more than paying the 8000 dollars outright which honestly 01:08:19.840 --> 01:08:23.840 um sounds like an awful 01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:27.840 long time um seems not as bad 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:31.840 yeah the subscription well okay 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:35.840 it's all relative right it would be terrible for me 01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:39.840 compared to paying 8000 dollars for a beta um 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:43.840 paying you know less than 01:08:43.840 --> 01:08:47.840 8000 dollars for just 4 years of a beta I guess is 01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:51.840 it's not as egregious as I expected but I'm trying to think like if I look at my car 01:08:51.840 --> 01:08:55.840 you know my car came out in 2009 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:59.840 this thing to still have full self-driving it's completely fine 01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:03.840 you'd still be paying 100 dollars a month that sucks I'd obviously way better buy 01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:07.840 that up front um it's a boil the frog move yeah I get that 01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:11.840 my thing is most boil the frog things don't take 6 years and 8 months 01:09:11.840 --> 01:09:15.840 I am a little surprised no meaning boil the frog in terms of like 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:19.840 changing the pricing over time because it's not going to be 100 dollars a month forever 01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:23.840 we're intended to see this change and go hmm well that's not actually 01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:27.840 that bad compared to charging you 8000 dollars for a beta 01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:31.840 product anyway which is like obviously I'd sort of 01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:35.840 um it's like 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:39.840 it's almost like a bad faith comparison it's like yeah it's not that 01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:43.840 bad compared to genocide it's like well right yeah but like that was 01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:47.840 that was already not good so you put the bar here and then 01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:51.840 went yay I cleared it um and it will probably 01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:55.840 get worse um Elijah quipped here 01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:59.840 this is his topic full self driving doesn't even work as promised 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:03.840 and he's already taking away the ability to purchase it LMAO 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:07.840 yeah that's um that's pretty rough man 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:11.840 I I gotta say I've been 01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:15.840 really enjoying my time with the Comet AI when it works great 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:19.840 I've had issues with it lately so I haven't been using it lately the 01:10:19.840 --> 01:10:23.840 update that it was on when I first started my my daily driving literally 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:27.840 um the Comet AI uh advanced driver assist thing 01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:31.840 in that Toyota Corolla we did the part one video and then the part two 01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:35.840 video where I use it for an extended period of time is still pending um I got a software 01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:39.840 update on it that made it stop getting to speed 01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:43.840 can you roll back um I don't I don't know I haven't actually looked 01:10:43.840 --> 01:10:47.840 into that and from my point of view um 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:51.840 um should I have to do that 01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:55.840 it is a pretty see that's always a question I ask myself 01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:59.840 like with something like an iPhone if there's like some hacky way to roll back 01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:03.840 to a previous iOS or something I go no that's not an I that's not the iPhone 01:11:03.840 --> 01:11:07.840 experience that's not representative I wouldn't do it even if I could 01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:11.840 for something like this I think that argument falls apart a little 01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:15.840 bit I think that this is clearly a hacky product for early adopters 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.840 founder of that company I feel like would embrace that type of mentality 01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:23.840 however it also just does like 01:11:23.840 --> 01:11:27.840 seamless OTA updates and just like work seamlessly 01:11:27.840 --> 01:11:31.840 so if that's the case and and it even offers like two different 01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:35.840 um versions that you can activate the more experimental 01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:39.840 branch and the and the stable branch so when both 01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:43.840 and and the stable branch to be clear gets up to speed better but it doesn't do 01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:47.840 red light detection or stop sign detection which I was really enjoying 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:51.840 and really liked so I want to use the experimental branch 01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:55.840 and also I have a second car that I can just drive when it's not working properly so the friction 01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:59.840 around using it got a lot higher because I just 01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:03.840 don't find it as useful when it's basically just radar 01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:07.840 cruise control um sorry this is becoming a very long 01:12:07.840 --> 01:12:11.840 rambly way to say I think I could 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:15.840 go compromising the integrity of that video but also 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:19.840 I don't want to I don't think I should have you said you have another 01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:23.840 car can you just drive that car without using it I can 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:27.840 but like why I hear you I'm just saying if this was a normal 01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:31.840 oh yeah 100% you just not turn it on but in my in my mind 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:35.840 if something is like enough that I don't want to turn it on then I'm going to have a 01:12:35.840 --> 01:12:39.840 real hard time recommending somebody spend a thousand dollars on it for sure I was just trying to figure out like 01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:43.840 how debilitating is this for normal no it's just annoying yeah yeah it's just it just 01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:47.840 sucks because it was working so well and then stopped working so well totally I don't think 01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:51.840 anybody likes that when that happens right um 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:55.840 so I think they have new hardware so what we're planning right now 01:12:55.840 --> 01:12:59.840 is to expand this video to be 01:12:59.840 --> 01:13:03.840 daily driving the first-gen hardware and also trying the second-gen hardware 01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:07.840 but maybe that should be two videos I don't know maybe I'm maybe I'm overthinking it you know 01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:11.840 I'll get with Jordan when when we get back to the office and we'll kind of chat through what the plan for 01:13:11.840 --> 01:13:15.840 it is but that to me sorry where I was going with this 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:19.840 is I would much rather just throw a comma 01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:23.840 assuming that they continue to make the kind of progress that they have in my Tesla 01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:27.840 and have it do I wouldn't say 90% 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:31.840 but in fact I'm not going to give a percentage because I haven't daily driven 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.840 a Tesla with full self-driving and and maybe and and I was thinking 01:13:35.840 --> 01:13:39.840 like I was really enjoying the comma maybe that's the next thing that I should try is I should 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:43.840 borrow a Tesla and um just 01:13:43.840 --> 01:13:47.840 subscribe to the package for a little bit and and try daily driving that maybe it'll 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:51.840 totally change my mind about it maybe I'll say yeah the marketing is BS 01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:55.840 and I you know don't love a lot of the things that the company does but 01:13:55.840 --> 01:13:59.840 this is totally worth a hundred dollars a month if you you know have this kind 01:13:59.840 --> 01:14:03.840 of a commute um I'm open to having my my mind changed 01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:07.840 and the contractor says please know I mean guys please know what I'm 01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:11.840 like if something is good my job is to say it's 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.840 good and also here's all the things that are you know really destructive 01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.840 about the attitude of this company or whatever the case may be 01:14:19.840 --> 01:14:23.840 but for me to just put my hands over my 01:14:23.840 --> 01:14:27.840 ears and close my eyes and go la la la la la this thing doesn't exist that's not 01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:31.840 that's not constructive that's that's not my job right my job is to 01:14:31.840 --> 01:14:35.840 you know whether I like it or not I mean I 01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:39.840 I took a ton of flak this is great I still wouldn't buy one XYZ reasons 01:14:39.840 --> 01:14:43.840 yeah I took a ton of flak for the DLSS 4.5 video that I made 01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:47.840 at CES line of shill line is paid by NVIDIA confirmed blah blah 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:51.840 this blah blah that uh you know he didn't even move the character 01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.840 so the reason I didn't move the character in black Mithukong was because they had spent a 01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:59.840 bunch of time getting the side by sides in exactly the same spot 01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:03.840 camera and they had another demo right next to it where you could move the character to 01:15:03.840 --> 01:15:07.840 your heart's content because they didn't have it just set up nicely side by 01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:11.840 side but I took a ton of 01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:15.840 flak for saying that DLSS 4.5 01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:19.840 is really good because there is a subset 01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:23.840 of the audience that just does not want to hear it 01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:27.840 they don't want to know they want real frames and 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:31.840 they don't want upscaling and it's just like but 01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:33.840 what's the benefit of that 01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:39.840 of the frames or of not wanting to know yeah knowledge is 01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:43.840 always worth it even if it's uncomfortable or painful you can decide 01:15:43.840 --> 01:15:47.840 I would still rather know things you can decide you don't like it and you cannot 01:15:47.840 --> 01:15:51.840 buy it but shouldn't you make that decision fully 01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:55.840 informed I think so sometimes need to 01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:59.840 hear into the darkness even if it sucks 01:15:59.840 --> 01:16:03.840 well yeah exactly 01:16:07.840 --> 01:16:11.840 knowing is always better 100% 100% agree pixel cat 01:16:11.840 --> 01:16:15.840 and you know my 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:19.840 personal take on it is not the be all and end all either which is why we 01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:23.840 always say it's so important to get multiple takes someone 01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:27.840 else might look at DLSS 4.5 and go 01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:31.840 I don't like it you know it might be closer to ground truth so that 01:16:31.840 --> 01:16:35.840 like super super super highly sampled 01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:39.840 image that NVIDIA is training on it might be closer to that but 01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:43.840 here are these aspects of it that I actually don't like or I find it over 01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:47.840 sharpened I prefer TAA you know maybe someone somewhere prefers 01:16:47.840 --> 01:16:51.840 the TAA look right I've had people 01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:55.840 tell me that they liked running their LCD at a non-native resolution 01:16:55.840 --> 01:16:59.840 because they liked the sort of the free anti-aliasing 01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:03.840 well I mean that's the thing right and that's 01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:07.840 that's their opinion that's their perception of it 01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:11.840 and that that it we can we can measure 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:15.840 you know we can measure how many FPS it is and we can measure the 01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:19.840 sharpness of the image against a reference image and how it's like supposed to look 01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:23.840 like an artist's intent I mean it's the same thing with TV settings people turn on their 01:17:23.840 --> 01:17:27.840 vibrant mode they turn on the motions moving we can we can objectively 01:17:27.840 --> 01:17:31.840 say that it's not as close to the artist's intent 01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:35.840 but if somebody likes it then 01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:37.840 then they like it 01:17:39.840 --> 01:17:43.840 Dan says we ask them politely but firmly to leave 01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:47.840 no no 01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:49.840 that's wild 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:55.840 yeah the first thing I did when I was watching the broadcast of the tonight 01:17:55.840 --> 01:17:59.840 show last night was reconfigure my hotel TV 01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:03.840 put it in film maker mode film maker mode is like low 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:07.840 key one of the greatest innovations in the tech industry 01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:11.840 in the last 10 years I'm so out of touch with TVs 01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:15.840 film maker mode is just it's a one button turn off all the 01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:19.840 BS the only thing that I tune after I put on 01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:23.840 film maker mode is I will usually set it to a neutral 01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:27.840 color temperature because I don't like the super warm look 01:18:27.840 --> 01:18:31.840 of the film maker mode they typically go like warm 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:35.840 one or even warm two which is very yellow to my eye 01:18:35.840 --> 01:18:39.840 and I really prefer a more neutral color temperature 01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.840 I love film maker mode 01:18:43.840 --> 01:18:47.840 and Ketobi says my 21 60p monitors almost always working 01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:49.840 as a 1440p screen 01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:55.840 they're out there guys and that's not even that crazy 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:59.840 I remember having a conversation with someone was it you 01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:03.840 do you remember back when LG launched their first 5K display 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:07.840 vaguely so it was weird because it ran at 01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:11.840 5K over Thunderbolt on Mac because Apple had done some really cool 01:19:11.840 --> 01:19:15.840 engineering around their Thunderbolt port so they had like linked in multiple 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:19.840 DisplayPort links or something like that so that they could effectively do 01:19:19.840 --> 01:19:23.840 like a was it like a multi tile thing what I don't remember exactly how they did it but 01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:27.840 essentially they had more lanes so that they could drive 5K 01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:31.840 60 or it's before anyone else could off of their Thunderbolt ports 01:19:31.840 --> 01:19:35.840 and so when you plugged it into a PC it only ran at 4K 60 01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:39.840 and I remember I forget who I was talking to but I remember having a conversation with someone going 01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:43.840 like we're at the point now where this pixel density is so 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:47.840 high that I can run it at a non native resolution and like 01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:51.840 I don't even care because I think it was a 27 inch monitor 01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:55.840 yeah 5K or something yeah and and so 01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:59.840 yeah running a 4K display assuming it's like a 01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:01.840 relatively small one at 1440p 01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:07.840 I wouldn't call it free anti-aliasing that I can't get 01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:11.840 behind but yeah I would say that it's really 01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:15.840 not that bad but when I was telling the story earlier 01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:19.840 I wasn't talking about that you said back in the day you said LCD screens you're probably talking 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:23.840 I was talking I was talking like 1080p at like 01:20:23.840 --> 01:20:27.840 720p which nah is 01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:31.840 is but it's 01:20:31.840 --> 01:20:35.840 not good McDouglas no no no 01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:39.840 1440p is not 2K okay this is something that 01:20:39.840 --> 01:20:43.840 I also like McDouglas get very triggered about 01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:47.840 2K is the 01:20:47.840 --> 01:20:51.840 cinema version of 1080p it is 2048 01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:55.840 by 1080 so it is nearly the same resolution 01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:59.840 as 1080p so 1920 by 1080 01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:03.840 it's just slightly wider ever so slightly 01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:07.840 wider if you want to have a K 01:21:07.840 --> 01:21:11.840 for 1440p it would be 2.5K 01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:15.840 because the K is how many pixels wide 01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:19.840 and the P is how many pixels 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:23.840 extended embiggened? 01:21:23.840 --> 01:21:25.840 embiggened I like that 01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:31.840 pumped so it would be 720p 01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:35.840 1080p 1440p 01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:39.840 2160p or it would be 01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:43.840 whatever 1.2K right 01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:47.840 it would be 2K 2.5K 01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:51.840 4K but it is worth noting that the Ks technically are different resolutions 01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:55.840 so 4K as well is actually not 3840 01:21:55.840 --> 01:21:59.840 by 2160 which is 2160p 01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:03.840 4K is actually 4096 01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:07.840 by 2160 but I think I only ever saw 01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:11.840 like 2 monitors that used that resolution 01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:15.840 the slightly wider cinema resolution so we've kind of 01:22:15.840 --> 01:22:19.840 we've stolen the K even though 01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:23.840 we're running into problems now because 8K 01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:27.840 is like 7632 by 01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:31.840 42 something 01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:35.840 I can't 40 something 01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:39.840 so the point is it's like 7.6K where it's kind of like 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:43.840 when we used to round hard drive capacities 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:47.840 and especially memory we reached the point where 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:51.840 like 64 gigs of memory 01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:55.840 has so much more in it that it's like the first two digits 01:22:55.840 --> 01:22:59.840 64 anymore and it's like kind of a problem is it 64? 01:22:59.840 --> 01:23:03.840 I know there's a point where they don't actually like 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:07.840 the approximation is not actually approximate good enough anymore 01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:11.840 bit of bit says a lot of TVs use proper 4K 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:15.840 very few I don't know that I've ever actually 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:19.840 seen a TV you'll get ones that will display 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:23.840 the 4K resolution to your GPU so they will allow you to output it 01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:27.840 imagine that's just because TVs are meant to be 01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:31.840 used in a more cinema kind of 01:23:31.840 --> 01:23:35.840 environment I actually like or to be hooked up 01:23:35.840 --> 01:23:39.840 to more production type equipment but in terms of how many physical 01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:43.840 pixels they have on them they've got 38 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:47.840 40 by 2160 if we're talking consumer TVs 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:51.840 talking about consuming 01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:55.840 shall we talk about some CW stuff? 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:59.840 oh yeah sure we can talk about that Dan can they hear your voice or 01:23:59.840 --> 01:24:03.840 are we talking to a ghost? okay cool that works where do I find that? 01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:07.840 it's in that if you want to hide something from me 01:24:07.840 --> 01:24:11.840 you just put it in the most obvious place I will never find it 01:24:11.840 --> 01:24:15.840 oh this is fun wait how are we going to show people anything? 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:19.840 we have them because there's cameras here yay 01:24:19.840 --> 01:24:23.840 okay the cat tips collection 01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:27.840 just got bigger we're releasing three new 01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:31.840 Linus cat tips desk pads in aqua 01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:35.840 black and white each with cats laying on the edges 01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:39.840 doing cat things same great quality as our other 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:43.840 desk pads so they don't slip around they feel great 01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:47.840 track great they have anti-fray edges 01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:51.840 and they hold up awesome for everyday use but now just 01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:55.840 so so so adorable and cat like 01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:59.840 but wait there's more we also have three 01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:03.840 new pins that are part of the Linus cat tips collection the calico laptop 01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:07.840 the orange cat and mouse and the gray cat 01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:11.840 pc perch classic LTT 01:25:11.840 --> 01:25:15.840 store naming the title of the product is exactly 01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:19.840 exactly what it is gray cat pc perch 01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:23.840 they're adorable on bags jackets or a cork board and they let people know 01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:27.840 that you love both premium tech tips and top tier cat tips 01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:31.840 you can shop the collection at LMG.GG 01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:35.840 slash cat tips they are so cute 01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:39.840 they are so cute there's also onesies 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:43.840 before though right or those new 01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:47.840 I don't feel like I've seen these designs before specifically with the cat 01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:51.840 and sitting on the computer and stuff okay Dan can you show them the onesies as well 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:55.840 yes and there's underwear too 01:25:55.840 --> 01:25:59.840 I thought I had seen these pictures before but I don't remember 01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:03.840 actually seeing the cat print it's hard for me to remember because 01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:07.840 I see them in the concept stage digitally and then I see them in fabric 01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:11.840 strikeoffs and then I see them in physical samples and then I see them 01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:15.840 I know we've for sure seen the game on underwear before 01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:19.840 or onesie before but I don't know if we've seen the pixel perfect stuff 01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:23.840 alright Dan make sure you show the people all the things 01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:27.840 these desk pads are freaking awesome the onesie is super 01:26:27.840 --> 01:26:31.840 super cute and the underwear is the same high quality underwear you guys know and love but now 01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:35.840 with more cat alright 01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:39.840 you want us to do Dan well what's a merch message 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:43.840 what happens if you buy something at the store oh right right right right merch messages 01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:47.840 so if you're happening to pick up some of these stuff or if you want to interact with the show 01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:51.840 we don't do twitch bits we don't do super chats we do merch messages 01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:55.840 we believe here at LMG slash Floatplane 01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:59.840 slash creator warehouse slash whatever other companies we have going on right now 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:03.840 that when you throw money at your screen you should get something 01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:07.840 in return in our case high quality merch 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:11.840 and dice so all you got to do to send a merch message into 01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:15.840 the show is add something to your cart on lttstore.com 01:27:15.840 --> 01:27:19.840 like maybe a new desk pad or some fancy pins for your LTT 01:27:19.840 --> 01:27:23.840 backpack and then you will see a little drop down that you can expand 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:27.840 to send a merch message you can send it anonymously or you can 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:31.840 send your name and it will go to producer Dan 01:27:31.840 --> 01:27:35.840 who I assume will put himself up for a second and wave 01:27:35.840 --> 01:27:39.840 cool I assume he's doing that because I don't actually have the preview 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:43.840 of the yep can't see what he's doing 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:47.840 cool good chat anyway the point is it will go to producer Dan 01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:51.840 who will flash it up on the screen if you have like a shout out for someone 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:55.840 or who will reply to it himself or who might curate your merch message for me 01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:59.840 and Luke to reply to why don't we do a couple merch messages 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:03.840 and show the people how it works yeah sure first one up here 01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:07.840 is actually cat related did you decide yet 01:28:07.840 --> 01:28:11.840 if the tech house will get a cat and how would you name it 01:28:13.840 --> 01:28:17.840 I would love for the tech house to have a cat but I also 01:28:17.840 --> 01:28:21.840 do recognize that cats are more about maintenance 01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:25.840 than actually getting a pest problem under control if it's 01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:29.840 a serious one and I also having lost a couple 01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:33.840 of cats that were outdoor cats to something 01:28:33.840 --> 01:28:37.840 you know you never know stolen, eaten, run over 01:28:37.840 --> 01:28:41.840 who knows right like I microchip and tattoo all my pets but 01:28:41.840 --> 01:28:45.840 it just seems like it's too much work for people to scan the back of the neck 01:28:45.840 --> 01:28:49.840 for a microchip and call you and let you know your cat's dead or whatever I don't know 01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:53.840 I haven't had great experiences with it over the years I 01:28:53.840 --> 01:28:57.840 don't think I'd be super comfortable with it being an outdoor cat 01:28:57.840 --> 01:29:01.840 but I don't see how we could have an indoor cat at a house 01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:05.840 that we aren't living at and at regularly 01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:09.840 so if there's a way for us to do it then great 01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:13.840 but if there's no way for us to do it then there's just no way for us to do it 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:17.840 and we'll just hire a pest control service and deal with the rodent infestation that way 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:21.840 Hi DLL attending my first whale 01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:25.840 land this February super excited, however 01:29:25.840 --> 01:29:29.840 I don't really know what to expect can you give me an idea of what it'll be like 01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:35.840 well I don't know if you've been to a general land party before but it's not 01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:39.840 a hundred percent like that we try to do a bit more of a guided experience 01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:43.840 so there's often times like a theme 01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:47.840 of what people might be doing sometimes they do the theme and sometimes they don't 01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:51.840 yeah we want to get toward 01:29:51.840 --> 01:29:55.840 it's a progressing event we're moving towards more of a kind of 01:29:55.840 --> 01:29:59.840 guided experience more participation or more 01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:03.840 like activations for you to just go and 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:07.840 do regardless of what kind of computer you have 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:11.840 or what games you own because those are major obstacles 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:15.840 at pretty much every land that I've ever been to I don't have this game 01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:19.840 I don't have a computer that can run this game we find that a lot of people 01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:23.840 end up going to lands and then sitting at their computer alone scrolling 01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:27.840 back in the day the meme was scrolling facebook but like scrolling whatever 01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:31.840 I thought the meme was playing wow oh no I was going to say that as well 01:30:31.840 --> 01:30:35.840 so there was either like sit on some social platform that you know you just brainrod on when you're at home 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:39.840 or play some game alone that you just play alone at home 01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:43.840 and the meme was always wow so it's like it's one of those two things 01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:47.840 so what we're trying to defeat is that cycle 01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:51.840 and one of the ways that you can do that is actually kind of 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:55.840 taking the personal computer part out of the land which is 01:30:55.840 --> 01:30:59.840 a little bit weird but if you walk up to a section of 01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:03.840 if you walk up to a section 01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:07.840 that is 10 computers 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:11.840 5 on one side, 5 on the other side facing each other and 01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:15.840 there's 4 different games installed and they're all 5v5 games 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:19.840 and in line waiting to go sit there which doesn't take way 01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:23.840 too long you can chat with the people in line and form up 01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:27.840 2 teams of 5 try to find some balance in there pick which game you're going to play 01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:31.840 when you sit down you all just actually lock in play that game to 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:35.840 whatever state of completion and then go out and go do something else 01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:39.840 which is cool because looking at properly 01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:43.840 even like a few times at a land is often very difficult 01:31:43.840 --> 01:31:47.840 but with this setup which again we're not fully ready for but we're moving towards it 01:31:47.840 --> 01:31:51.840 it gets significantly more natural 01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:55.840 we want to lower the friction so I had a setup at the last one 01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:59.840 that was a big projector with 01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:03.840 5v5 tape to tape so it's like a top down hockey game 01:32:03.840 --> 01:32:07.840 that is an absolute blast with a full 01:32:07.840 --> 01:32:11.840 because to my knowledge and maybe I'm missing something here 01:32:11.840 --> 01:32:15.840 but to my knowledge no one's ever done a full 01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:19.840 humans vs humans local hockey game before 01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:23.840 full? I seriously doubt because of goalies 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:27.840 even if you don't include goalies probably not like is anyone 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:31.840 aware of this um 01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:37.840 I don't see anyone in chat who knows of 01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:41.840 knows of a game like that yeah I did it online, yeah online 01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:45.840 but like 10 people abreast on a couch 01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:49.840 like going at it no I don't think 01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:51.840 that's an experience 01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:57.840 that is easy to have we've had quite a few but not the whole set 01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:01.840 so we want to move towards experiences that are not that easy 01:33:01.840 --> 01:33:05.840 to have on your own and I saw someone's comment 01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:09.840 that it sounds like a fascist land and defeats the purpose of a land 01:33:09.840 --> 01:33:13.840 it's like literally the opposite that's totally cool 01:33:13.840 --> 01:33:17.840 if you are not into that and what makes it not fascism is that 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:19.840 you could go to a different land 01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:25.840 yeah we're trying to accentuate the idea 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:29.840 of the benefits of being in person not the other way around 01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:33.840 if you're there in person 01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:37.840 I assume that the goal in some recess of your mind 01:33:37.840 --> 01:33:41.840 was to make a human connection um 01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:45.840 and if you don't want to do that that's totally cool 01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:49.840 and if you want to scroll facebook or solo 01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:53.840 something in wow or whatever there's like so many other places 01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:57.840 that you could do that and you're so welcome to do that 01:33:57.840 --> 01:34:01.840 in those other places but the goal is to turn whale land 01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:05.840 into something that is more like an event that encourages active participation 01:34:05.840 --> 01:34:09.840 um it was always the ones that I ended up having the most 01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:13.840 fun at even if it wasn't the activity that I personally 01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:17.840 gravitated towards either yeah one thing Dan 01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:21.840 is uh did the camera anything get worse 01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:25.840 I got it no no my laptop is in 01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:29.840 battery saver mode oh god 01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:33.840 oh maybe that's why okay in that case just take this back 01:34:33.840 --> 01:34:37.840 and maybe I just don't have a laptop for the rest of the show solid 01:34:37.840 --> 01:34:41.840 what what happened Dan uh it probably just dropped you from the 01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:45.840 scene that I had but you didn't lose audio or anything 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:49.840 oh wait no I think my wife is sleeping 01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:53.840 do you have a oh were you sleeping 01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:57.840 um it's okay if you were no I wasn't 01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:07.840 that was the most yeah I was sleeping but I don't want to 01:35:07.840 --> 01:35:11.840 say anything answer I'm like ever 01:35:13.840 --> 01:35:17.840 it's okay if you were sleeping I don't care 01:35:17.840 --> 01:35:21.840 if you were sleeping oh no man what's up dude 01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:25.840 I was just resting my eyes 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:29.840 come on do you have a fat power brick 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:33.840 find a chance that I could borrow 01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:37.840 yeah I can catch it overhand 01:35:37.840 --> 01:35:39.840 underhand 01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:47.840 buddy's about to throw this thing at me 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:49.840 overhand 01:35:53.840 --> 01:35:57.840 kids today anyway 01:35:57.840 --> 01:36:01.840 alright let's plug that in and then oh I will need yet another 01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:05.840 cable thankfully I brought a bunch of LTT cables 01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:09.840 this wanshow powered by LTT cables both laptops are powered by LTT cables 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:13.840 the mic's plugged in with an LTT cable the camera's plugged in with an LTT cable 01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:17.840 it's plugged in with an LTT cable and how reliable have the cables been 01:36:17.840 --> 01:36:21.840 it's been going great this is a genuine interaction 01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:25.840 that happened before the show but I was having issues with my 01:36:25.840 --> 01:36:29.840 Elgato microphone here and was like this isn't going to change anything 01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:33.840 but I'm just going to do it anyways 01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:37.840 and plug it in with an LTT cable and it worked that is probably just because the other cable was busted 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:41.840 live unboxing of LTT cable 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:45.840 the box is kind of nice yeah right 01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:49.840 is that a super long one 2 meters 01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:53.840 yeah it's pretty long so they come with little cable tie 01:36:53.840 --> 01:36:57.840 as you might expect got a little 01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:01.840 LTT on there question for you 01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:05.840 I've noticed cables ship with the caps on the ends but no one keeps the caps on the ends 01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:09.840 once they're out in the wild yeah I know 01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:13.840 I think it's one of those things where it's like if you don't remember 01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:17.840 these are going to be shipping by sea they will be sitting on 01:37:17.840 --> 01:37:21.840 on the ocean for weeks at a time 01:37:21.840 --> 01:37:25.840 it's kind of like the plastic bags on the backpacks so inside the box 01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:29.840 they have to be in a plastic bag and I have gone back and forth 01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:33.840 with everyone who could possibly help me achieve some other solution 01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:37.840 multiple times and the answer is 01:37:37.840 --> 01:37:41.840 plastic bags because they're going to sit on the ocean 01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:45.840 and that's just how it works got it 01:37:45.840 --> 01:37:49.840 and I'm like okay salt and corrosion 01:37:49.840 --> 01:37:53.840 and nasty and potential container leakage and just 01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:57.840 they're like yep it's just not worth it 01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:01.840 keep it wrapped for protection 01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:05.840 it's good advice just plain and simple 01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:09.840 so I wanted to talk about the issue that you were having with the Elgato 01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:13.840 we have a full video coming for the launch of the LTT cables in the next little while here 01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:17.840 and we get into this in a little bit more depth but 01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:21.840 you may not realize how many of the cables in your life work 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:25.840 but would fail a signal integrity 01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:29.840 because this cable that I was using to 01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:33.840 attempt to use the microphone with I've been using to charge my phone 01:38:33.840 --> 01:38:37.840 for the last at least three or four days 01:38:37.840 --> 01:38:41.840 and so we discovered when we were going through 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:45.840 I think it ended up being over two dozen potential partners for our cables 01:38:45.840 --> 01:38:47.840 we ended up finding that 01:38:51.840 --> 01:38:55.840 oh man how do I say this I don't want to throw anyone under the bus 01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:59.840 but basically we went through dozens of partners 01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:03.840 until we found the one that we partnered with 01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:07.840 every single one of them managed to submit cables for our evaluation 01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:11.840 that might work 01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:15.840 but would fail a signal integrity test 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:19.840 or some kind of aspect of our cable testing 01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:23.840 and when one would fail let's see one bad cable 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:27.840 that's not the end of the world every manufacturer makes a dud once in a while 01:39:27.840 --> 01:39:31.840 but when we found the six foot 01:39:31.840 --> 01:39:35.840 USB-C to A or A to C or C to C or whatever 01:39:35.840 --> 01:39:39.840 like a particular variant usually it was that entire 01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:43.840 batch all of the cables of that type 01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:47.840 that also failed and that 01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:51.840 that's going to be a problem for us that's not going to fly 01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:55.840 for us this cable that failed for me is some random generic 01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:59.840 that has no strain relief on the end 01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:03.840 and has been shoved into my pocket for a long time so it's like whatever 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:07.840 and people probably don't realize how many of the cables in their lives work 01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:11.840 because most of those cables would still work when you plug them into things 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:15.840 but are relying on USB's built-in error correction 01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:19.840 in order to function so you might not be getting the maximum speed 01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:23.840 or you might be running into reliability problems that you blame on your devices 01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:27.840 but are actually down to your working cable that works 01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:31.840 fine on this device not working fine on another device 01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:35.840 that uses a different USB controller and is maybe not as resilient 01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:39.840 to the types of signal integrity issues that the cable is causing so 01:40:39.840 --> 01:40:43.840 we've learned a lot about cables I think this project 01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:47.840 took a total of four years yeah 01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:51.840 we probably could have done it faster but we learned a lot 01:40:51.840 --> 01:40:55.840 about everything from like supply chain to certifications 01:40:55.840 --> 01:40:59.840 to standards to quality just 01:40:59.840 --> 01:41:03.840 everything seems simple until you try to do it 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:07.840 at scale with quality and you have to like 01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:11.840 stand behind it with warranty and that sort of thing and then all of a sudden it's like oh yeah no it's not simple 01:41:11.840 --> 01:41:15.840 nothing's simple and everything's complicated yeah 01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:19.840 yeah gotta love it 01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:23.840 yeah gotta love it more topics 01:41:23.840 --> 01:41:27.840 more topics okay well Luke's on topics because 01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:31.840 my laptop reached such a low state of discharge that it will still not turn on 01:41:31.840 --> 01:41:35.840 I'm happy about turning on it another thing that's unhappy is 01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:39.840 meta lays off more than 1,000 employees from metaverse division 01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:43.840 very cool to name your company after that maybe you should call your company 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:47.840 smart glasses or something face glasses 01:41:47.840 --> 01:41:51.840 they also shuttered GVR studios 01:41:51.840 --> 01:41:55.840 where else would you put glasses good question 01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:59.840 meta's VR division won for only Zuckerberg himself I believe 01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:03.840 meta's VR division reality Labs has laid off over a thousand 01:42:03.840 --> 01:42:07.840 people in an internal memo meta CEO Andrew 01:42:07.840 --> 01:42:11.840 Bosworth said meta will refocus on its metaverse 01:42:11.840 --> 01:42:15.840 on its metaverse efforts on other products in the future 01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:19.840 such as wearables okay 01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:23.840 I suspect that means re-assigning developers but who knows 01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:27.840 reality Labs has lost more than 70 billion dollars since 2021 01:42:27.840 --> 01:42:31.840 according to Engadget the three VR studios that have closed 01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:35.840 are Armature who ported 01:42:35.840 --> 01:42:39.840 RE4 to the quest a Resident Evil 4 01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:43.840 Sansarou who made Asgard's Wrath and Twisted Pixel 01:42:43.840 --> 01:42:47.840 who released Marvel's Redpool VR 01:42:47.840 --> 01:42:51.840 it just says released meta claims internally 01:42:51.840 --> 01:42:55.840 that it remains committed to supporting the games industry 01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:59.840 just not to the tune of losing 70 billion dollars 01:42:59.840 --> 01:43:03.840 in five years I guess that makes sense 01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:07.840 discussion question how many hungry children can 70 billion dollars feed 01:43:07.840 --> 01:43:11.840 um I legitimately don't know 01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:15.840 but it sounds like a lot but there's quite a few 01:43:15.840 --> 01:43:19.840 I just it's not really how that works but 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:23.840 yeah it's not really how that works I do understand 01:43:23.840 --> 01:43:27.840 you kind of have to try things as a company I did meme on them very much 01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:31.840 when they were going down this route and I think everyone did 01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:35.840 and renaming the company meta was hilarious and still is hilarious 01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:39.840 it's still funny today but yeah 01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:43.840 yeah we're saying like the 01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:47.840 you know we're refocusing the metaverse efforts on other products 01:43:47.840 --> 01:43:51.840 in the future such as wearables because they're wearables like 01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:55.840 nobody seems to be able to touch them which is wild 01:43:55.840 --> 01:43:59.840 dude have you seen like the video quality off of their glasses 01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:03.840 it's nuts it's insane for like 01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:07.840 how big it is it's so good that I kind of wish their phone 01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:11.840 hadn't sputtered and failed but just their camera is so good 01:44:11.840 --> 01:44:13.840 yeah 01:44:15.840 --> 01:44:19.840 I don't know dude they seem to be kind of 01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:25.840 I guess when you just have where am I going with this 01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:29.840 like they have so much money to put into 01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:33.840 into just making technology 01:44:33.840 --> 01:44:37.840 that it seems like in the long term they kind of can't 01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:41.840 they can't fail too hard but they totally can 01:44:41.840 --> 01:44:45.840 have you ever heard of a company called Microsoft I mean while Microsoft is only like 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:49.840 the second most valuable company in the world right now yeah but their hardware launches 01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:53.840 historically are just garbage 01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:57.840 I I mean they've had some 01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:01.840 really cool hardware they have had some very cool hardware 01:45:01.840 --> 01:45:05.840 they've made some very questionable choices how much would you love to see 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:09.840 Microsoft come back to like gaming mice that'd be pretty cool 01:45:09.840 --> 01:45:13.840 that was a really legendary mouse like extremely so it was very coveted 01:45:13.840 --> 01:45:17.840 by the one with like the little red thing at the back 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:21.840 like that original yeah 01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:25.840 yeah it's I mean I really liked 01:45:25.840 --> 01:45:29.840 the what's it called the zoom I actually really 01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:33.840 liked that I never had one but I had the software 01:45:33.840 --> 01:45:37.840 was actually just awesome I really liked it 01:45:37.840 --> 01:45:41.840 there's been cool Microsoft stuff they just like 01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:45.840 I don't know they don't see to be able to figure it out I can't like what 01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:49.840 what hardware right now other than like xbox 01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:53.840 controllers specifically and even then they're starting to get lapped 01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:57.840 on by the aftermarket oh dude little brother 01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:01.840 controllers are the new big brother controllers like some 01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:05.840 of those I was just but I think we have to admit that they had 01:46:05.840 --> 01:46:09.840 dominance on like amazing controllers that were just 01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:13.840 usable and just worked yes for a very long time 01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:17.840 on the PC side anyway so they kind of dunked in regards to controllers 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:21.840 but outside of that like what hardware stuff if they launched that has actually done well 01:46:21.840 --> 01:46:25.840 long-term they've effectively lost the console race at this point 01:46:25.840 --> 01:46:29.840 yeah surface just basically out surface seems to be a low priority 01:46:29.840 --> 01:46:33.840 now yeah kind of shadow of itself they've gone back to 01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:37.840 it was do it was like it felt like surface was going to really be 01:46:37.840 --> 01:46:41.840 a thing there for a bit yeah and then it feels like they lost focus 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:45.840 and it is fading again Windows phone disappeared 01:46:45.840 --> 01:46:49.840 zoom was fantastic but disappeared links I thought there was a software thing 01:46:49.840 --> 01:46:53.840 but okay no wasn't that like their conferencing stuff oh was it 01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:57.840 yeah there was hardware associated with it if I recall correctly sure links 01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:01.840 links is a tablet okay sure the surface 01:47:01.840 --> 01:47:05.840 thing the like really really cool art product that they made if you remember that 01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:09.840 oh like all in one computer that had the cool 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:13.840 that had such that was actually exactly a very cool product that was exactly 01:47:13.840 --> 01:47:17.840 the product that I was thinking about when I said questionable choices yeah 01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:21.840 because they they went with like a last-gen mobile GPU or something like that 01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:25.840 hardware and it was super dumb yeah but the screen and 01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:29.840 that dial thing that they had was so cool very cool so cool 01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:35.840 the zoom it was horrible I don't know every single person I know that had one 01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:39.840 loved it and the software was amazing I had a line in HD 01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:43.840 incredible I think people really liked the zoom I think 01:47:43.840 --> 01:47:47.840 saying that you hate it was horrible is actually a very unpopular opinion it just 01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:51.840 didn't sell super well because everyone wanted an iPod yeah everyone in chat saying 01:47:51.840 --> 01:47:55.840 they loved their zoom which doesn't mean they're not allowed to not like it you don't 01:47:55.840 --> 01:47:59.840 no for sure I just I think it's just not like I don't think that's why I 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:03.840 I don't think it died because it was bad I think it died because iPod existed 01:48:03.840 --> 01:48:07.840 and the whole world was like oh my god iPods are amazing we're just gonna buy iPods 01:48:07.840 --> 01:48:11.840 I just love white earphones but like actually 01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:13.840 Apple's always just been super fashionable 01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:21.840 it's kind of incredible how they managed to do that because over this 01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:25.840 span of time just about like can you imagine 01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:29.840 if Fubu still had the cultural appeal 01:48:29.840 --> 01:48:33.840 that they had you know back in the early 2000s 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:37.840 like Apple did like you know like you think about just like is there anything else 01:48:37.840 --> 01:48:41.840 that back when the iPod was cool 01:48:41.840 --> 01:48:45.840 still has the same relevance today that 01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:49.840 an Apple you know earphone or an Apple iPhone does 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:53.840 like Apple relevance dipped there for a little bit 01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:57.840 I said Fubu it was like a fashion brand 01:48:57.840 --> 01:49:01.840 it was still higher than everything else but I feel like it dipped there for a little bit 01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:05.840 and these days is like screaming back somehow Fubu 01:49:05.840 --> 01:49:09.840 no Apple fashionable how fashionable Apple stuff is 01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:13.840 these days like the whole phone thing where you're just like actually not cool or accepted 01:49:13.840 --> 01:49:17.840 if you don't have an iPhone is like pretty intense 01:49:17.840 --> 01:49:21.840 I'm that crazy all that long all that long 01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:25.840 are they just like gone I think they might just be gone 01:49:25.840 --> 01:49:29.840 that's crazy what the heck is Fubu it sounds like a streaming 01:49:29.840 --> 01:49:33.840 service Fubu is like 01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:37.840 sixth grade nice solid 01:49:37.840 --> 01:49:41.840 what the okay there's an Instagram 01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:45.840 with 2000 posts new 2026 collection coming soon 01:49:47.840 --> 01:49:51.840 it looks it's apparently still a thing 01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:55.840 no I'm not logging in but like 01:49:55.840 --> 01:49:59.840 alright yeah it looks very old 01:49:59.840 --> 01:50:01.840 it looks like they're making the same stuff 01:50:03.840 --> 01:50:07.840 I don't know I think yeah 01:50:07.840 --> 01:50:11.840 yeah I don't know no comment 01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:15.840 cool do you want to do some more topics yeah 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:21.840 how about 42 befuddled 01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:25.840 Amazon customers bamboozled 01:50:25.840 --> 01:50:29.840 by $999 RTX 5090 scam 01:50:29.840 --> 01:50:33.840 were sent fanny packs instead nice 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:37.840 what a bunch of Amazon shoppers 42 according to sounds hardware 01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:41.840 bought what looked like a $999 RTX 5090 01:50:41.840 --> 01:50:45.840 GPU GPU deal from a third party 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:49.840 sellers listing on Amazon way below typical prices 01:50:49.840 --> 01:50:53.840 which are climbing as you might expect when the packages arrived 01:50:53.840 --> 01:50:57.840 they didn't contain GPUs at all buyers reported receiving fanny 01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:01.840 packs or other cheap items instead of RTX 5090s 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:05.840 can I jump in for a moment we have 01:51:05.840 --> 01:51:09.840 an Irish lady on our fashion team 01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:13.840 who every time we discuss the idea of releasing a fanny pack 01:51:13.840 --> 01:51:17.840 I can imagine where 01:51:17.840 --> 01:51:21.840 burst out laughing because 01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:25.840 she as she later informed us fanny 01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:29.840 has an extremely different meaning in Irish life 01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:33.840 and just the idea of us 01:51:33.840 --> 01:51:37.840 a tech YouTube channel merch retailer 01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:41.840 releasing a pack that has anything to do with 01:51:41.840 --> 01:51:43.840 a lady's fanny 01:51:47.840 --> 01:51:49.840 tickled her sense of humor 01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:55.840 anyway sorry carry on this is not that 01:51:55.840 --> 01:51:59.840 this is the kind that goes on your bump which is what fanny means here 01:51:59.840 --> 01:52:03.840 the seller fitters niche direct 01:52:03.840 --> 01:52:07.840 had a high rating and used Amazon's fulfillment system which made the scam look legit 01:52:07.840 --> 01:52:11.840 and kept the listing up even after complaints had started 01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:15.840 the toms hardware article wondered did the seller succumb to the looter 01:52:15.840 --> 01:52:19.840 of quick profits during a high demand frenzy for graphics cards 01:52:19.840 --> 01:52:23.840 or was the account compromised by a third party turning a once reputable store front 01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:27.840 into a scam operation overnight regardless 01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:31.840 people are now stuck disputing refunds with Amazon and warning others that 01:52:31.840 --> 01:52:35.840 suspiciously cheap 5090 listings can be outright scams 01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:39.840 I like Amazon when I can 01:52:39.840 --> 01:52:43.840 but even if you go to a lot of other stores these days 01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:47.840 they're still like marketplaces like Best Buy 01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:51.840 is a marketplace when you shop online it can be from other sellers 01:52:51.840 --> 01:52:55.840 everything's a marketplace marketplace all the things 01:52:55.840 --> 01:52:59.840 tend to just not engage with that at all I don't like it 01:52:59.840 --> 01:53:03.840 if it's not literally from the brand of the store that I'm visiting 01:53:03.840 --> 01:53:07.840 I would kind of just um 01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:11.840 what's happening nothing 01:53:11.840 --> 01:53:15.840 nothing um 01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:19.840 just because I don't know I'm sure this really doesn't happen 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:23.840 that often I'm sure it's usually fine but I just like to avoid it if I can 01:53:23.840 --> 01:53:27.840 if it's fulfilled by the by the retailer it's usually a pretty good sign 01:53:27.840 --> 01:53:31.840 then it's usually fine but it's usually not a good deal because 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:35.840 as we've experienced selling fees 01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:39.840 and fulfillment fees that these marketplaces charge to third parties 01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:43.840 are so high that the economics of it 01:53:43.840 --> 01:53:47.840 just usually don't make any sense for those third parties 01:53:47.840 --> 01:53:51.840 um so it's 01:53:51.840 --> 01:53:55.840 I just don't trust it is the bottom line 01:53:55.840 --> 01:53:59.840 and the shipping costs are often so much higher that any deal that you're getting 01:53:59.840 --> 01:54:03.840 on the actual purchase price of the item is is offset 01:54:03.840 --> 01:54:07.840 by the shipping being in some cases like $150 or whatever 01:54:07.840 --> 01:54:11.840 um so they're luring you in with a price that's $50 cheaper but then they're 01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:15.840 making it up on the shipping realistically and to be clear there are situations where shipping 01:54:15.840 --> 01:54:19.840 is just expensive I know we have a lot of people that get after us about shipping from 01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:23.840 LTT Store for instance but um you can 01:54:23.840 --> 01:54:27.840 usually tell sorry 01:54:27.840 --> 01:54:31.840 one of the discussion questions is what is the worst you've ever been ripped off 01:54:31.840 --> 01:54:35.840 and then in brackets it says as a youth I once accidentally 01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:39.840 accidentally bought drugs downtown when I thought I was giving someone 01:54:39.840 --> 01:54:41.840 change for a $50 bill 01:54:45.840 --> 01:54:49.840 what? who is this? oh okay 01:54:49.840 --> 01:54:51.840 one of my new guys 01:54:55.840 --> 01:54:59.840 I feel like that's a story that I really 01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:03.840 need to hear in more detail at some point 01:55:03.840 --> 01:55:07.840 I read that in the brackets it's just like what 01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:13.840 oh man uh but then if they 01:55:15.840 --> 01:55:19.840 if they gave you the money how did you buy the drugs? 01:55:21.840 --> 01:55:25.840 I think I've told the story of the worst time I got ripped off I cashed a check 01:55:25.840 --> 01:55:29.840 for someone in person I went to the bank and withdrew money 01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:33.840 and gave it to them and they gave me the check and I put it in my account it turned out to be a fake check 01:55:33.840 --> 01:55:37.840 I was trusting and naive and I've since learned that people are garbage 01:55:37.840 --> 01:55:41.840 and not to trust them at all that sucks 01:55:41.840 --> 01:55:45.840 I wish I didn't have to learn that I wish I didn't have to learn that 01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:49.840 I wish that me falling for that 01:55:49.840 --> 01:55:53.840 was not me being stupid 01:55:53.840 --> 01:55:57.840 that was a bizarre exception 01:55:57.840 --> 01:55:59.840 that shouldn't have happened to anyone 01:56:01.840 --> 01:56:05.840 but unfortunately that's not the society that we live in I was young 01:56:05.840 --> 01:56:09.840 and it was like a couple hundred dollars or a few hundred it was like a lot of money for me at the time 01:56:11.840 --> 01:56:15.840 sucks sucks 01:56:15.840 --> 01:56:19.840 oh why N. Co in Floatplane chat knows a thing or two 01:56:19.840 --> 01:56:23.840 about drug dealing and says fake bills drugs are folded inside 01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:27.840 so the fake bill amount is how much it sells for 01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:31.840 Dan either I'm here we're good 01:56:31.840 --> 01:56:35.840 okay interesting that's actually like 01:56:35.840 --> 01:56:39.840 super smart change for a 50 01:56:39.840 --> 01:56:43.840 and then you give them 50 dollars and they give you 01:56:43.840 --> 01:56:47.840 a wrapper with drugs in it 01:56:47.840 --> 01:56:51.840 and you know you can do one crime of dealing drugs 01:56:51.840 --> 01:56:53.840 when you can do two crimes of also counter fitting 01:56:55.840 --> 01:56:59.840 yeah can you get away with like 01:56:59.840 --> 01:57:03.840 if you bought prop money maybe 01:57:03.840 --> 01:57:07.840 could you get away with it because it's just prop money maybe 01:57:07.840 --> 01:57:11.840 it's like you're not allowed to sell food but you can sell paper towels 01:57:11.840 --> 01:57:15.840 so it just comes with a sandwich there's some weird stuff 01:57:15.840 --> 01:57:19.840 with things like that some venues they'll be like okay 01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:23.840 you can't sell outside food 01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:27.840 but they'll be like okay well we're selling you napkins 01:57:27.840 --> 01:57:31.840 and the napkin is 20 dollars and if you buy the napkin it comes 01:57:31.840 --> 01:57:35.840 with a hot dog and a bottle of water for free 01:57:35.840 --> 01:57:39.840 I respect the hustle places do it 01:57:39.840 --> 01:57:43.840 I respect it I respect the hustle 01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:47.840 you probably won't be invited back to that venue yeah 01:57:47.840 --> 01:57:51.840 that makes sense anyways next one 01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:55.840 Wikipedia has signed AI training deals 01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:59.840 with Microsoft Meta and 01:57:59.840 --> 01:58:03.840 Amazon I don't know why 01:58:03.840 --> 01:58:07.840 but I wasn't expecting this I can see 01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:11.840 sorry maybe I should go through the thing first but I can 01:58:11.840 --> 01:58:15.840 no I'm gonna just talk about it first and we'll see how it goes from there 01:58:15.840 --> 01:58:19.840 I can see why they would do this because realistically they're all gonna 01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:23.840 train off of it anyway so they might as well be paid 01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:27.840 and Wikipedia as an organization might as well be 01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:31.840 sustainable I'm skipping to the end here but I think this quote is good to go now 01:58:31.840 --> 01:58:35.840 the last note we have on here is here's a good Jimmy Wales quote 01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:39.840 I wouldn't really want to use an AI that's trained only on X 01:58:39.840 --> 01:58:43.840 you know a very angry AI but I don't know 01:58:43.840 --> 01:58:47.840 but I think what they're saying is like if we have good data and this stuff 01:58:47.840 --> 01:58:51.840 is just gonna be a thing anyways maybe we should 01:58:51.840 --> 01:58:55.840 help them use the good data so it's not as bad 01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:59.840 so they've struck licensing deals with major tech companies including 01:58:59.840 --> 01:59:03.840 Microsoft Meta, Amazon Perplexity and Mistral to give them paid access 01:59:03.840 --> 01:59:07.840 to Wikipedia's huge library of articles for training AI models 01:59:07.840 --> 01:59:11.840 the Wikimedia Foundation has not used financial terms or exact amounts 01:59:11.840 --> 01:59:15.840 involved this is a shift from scraping to commercial 01:59:15.840 --> 01:59:19.840 access and these deals let companies use Wikipedia content through 01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:23.840 Wikimedia's Enterprise API at high speeds and volumes 01:59:23.840 --> 01:59:27.840 replacing the old practice of pulling data off of the free site 01:59:27.840 --> 01:59:31.840 the Foundation hopes that the revenue that these AI partnerships creates 01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:35.840 will help cover rising server and infrastructure costs 01:59:35.840 --> 01:59:39.840 costs that are at least partially driven by AI data scrapers 01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:45.840 Wikipedia's co-founder Jimmy Wales says he likes that AI models 01:59:45.840 --> 01:59:49.840 train on human curated content and sees working with AI firms 01:59:49.840 --> 01:59:53.840 as being better than blocking them as long as they help sustain the site 01:59:53.840 --> 01:59:57.840 which is essentially pretty much what I said then 01:59:57.840 --> 02:00:01.840 which like I think this is 02:00:01.840 --> 02:00:05.840 someone taking a positive take to something that sucks 02:00:05.840 --> 02:00:09.840 but you know what I can respect that 02:00:09.840 --> 02:00:13.840 if you were a Wikipedia contributor though you're not paid at least 02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:17.840 the vast majority are not paid how would you feel about 02:00:17.840 --> 02:00:21.840 donating your labor to Wikipedia now that your work is 02:00:21.840 --> 02:00:25.840 at least indirectly fueling commercial AI products? 02:00:25.840 --> 02:00:29.840 I genuinely would bet on the idea that at least some contributors will bail 02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:33.840 some people are very militant about AI and usage of AI training 02:00:33.840 --> 02:00:37.840 that being said at the top of every page in Wikipedia 02:00:37.840 --> 02:00:41.840 forever has been like please my goodness 02:00:41.840 --> 02:00:45.840 donate it's a site that gets a lot of usage 02:00:45.840 --> 02:00:49.840 a lot of data flows through it, they need money as far as my understanding goes 02:00:49.840 --> 02:00:53.840 they don't need money as bad as it seems all the time but still 02:00:53.840 --> 02:00:57.840 they need funding if this helps, that's neat 02:00:57.840 --> 02:01:01.840 like you said, they're going to get scraped anyways for sure 02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:05.840 guaranteed already has been MrGF says can they remove the donate banners now 02:01:05.840 --> 02:01:09.840 I guarantee you they won't because even if 02:01:09.840 --> 02:01:13.840 they could if I were them, I wouldn't 02:01:13.840 --> 02:01:17.840 I would keep it and I would build a bigger war chest because 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:21.840 this AI bubble is going to either pop or significantly 02:01:21.840 --> 02:01:25.840 recede and they're not going to want to like 02:01:25.840 --> 02:01:29.840 suddenly have to go back to being donation dependent 02:01:29.840 --> 02:01:33.840 and have people be out of the habit of seeing it and get all riled up about it again 02:01:33.840 --> 02:01:37.840 I would see them just 02:01:37.840 --> 02:01:41.840 just continuing, staying the course maybe they don't push it quite as aggressively 02:01:41.840 --> 02:01:45.840 if they don't need to, but I don't see them changing that at all 02:01:45.840 --> 02:01:49.840 when bingo asks would you be open to having linustechtips.com scraped 02:01:49.840 --> 02:01:53.840 to have AI give better tech help well lttlabs.com 02:01:53.840 --> 02:01:57.840 already gets scraped out the frickin butt 02:01:57.840 --> 02:02:01.840 so what is it like oh man 02:02:01.840 --> 02:02:05.840 oh I wasn't ready for this there's two different services 02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:09.840 that are like very well known public things 02:02:09.840 --> 02:02:13.840 that are like laying people off and slowly shutting doors because 02:02:13.840 --> 02:02:17.840 they can provably track that AI usage is just like 02:02:17.840 --> 02:02:21.840 literally destroying their companies I don't remember 02:02:21.840 --> 02:02:25.840 I know oh man Dan will know this immediately 02:02:25.840 --> 02:02:29.840 tailwind of course Dan 02:02:29.840 --> 02:02:33.840 flow clean guy knows tailwind so tailwind that's a thing for 02:02:33.840 --> 02:02:37.840 because when you're doing AI assisted coding 02:02:37.840 --> 02:02:41.840 it's just doing it for you so like 02:02:41.840 --> 02:02:45.840 you don't need to use their service anymore so they've had to do like big layoffs 02:02:45.840 --> 02:02:49.840 and don't know if they'll be able to exist much longer really 02:02:49.840 --> 02:02:53.840 and then stack overflow there we go oh my god of course someone said it 02:02:53.840 --> 02:02:57.840 stack overflow is showing that their traffic is just like 02:02:57.840 --> 02:03:01.840 plummeting at a time where like more people than basically ever 02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:05.840 are doing like amateur coding 02:03:05.840 --> 02:03:09.840 because of being able to code with LLMs stack overflow is going way down 02:03:09.840 --> 02:03:13.840 you would expect the opposite but they're doing with LLM support 02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:17.840 instead of searching through Q&A article things on 02:03:17.840 --> 02:03:21.840 stack overflow it's been 02:03:21.840 --> 02:03:23.840 wild 02:03:25.840 --> 02:03:29.840 congrats in flow plane chat says AI is really really good 02:03:29.840 --> 02:03:33.840 at tailwind so if your AI is writing tailwind you don't need to view their docs 02:03:33.840 --> 02:03:37.840 which is where tailwind pushes their monetization 02:03:37.840 --> 02:03:41.840 I see yeah it's just it's 02:03:41.840 --> 02:03:45.840 that's the thing about disruptive technologies 02:03:45.840 --> 02:03:49.840 is that the disruption is not 02:03:49.840 --> 02:03:53.840 equitable and not always 02:03:53.840 --> 02:03:55.840 positive in the long term 02:03:59.840 --> 02:04:03.840 Yuri Cornell says stack overflow is basically back 02:04:03.840 --> 02:04:07.840 where it started over 10 years ago that's wild dude 02:04:07.840 --> 02:04:11.840 yeah that's wild 02:04:11.840 --> 02:04:15.840 okay alright 02:04:15.840 --> 02:04:19.840 I actually wanted to do sponsors yeah I also want to do sponsors 02:04:19.840 --> 02:04:23.840 let's just do sponsors I'll deal with this we're gonna do sponsors and 02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:27.840 take that team's call another time yeah I'm just gonna hang up on them 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rather than actually answer it and that's a specific quote but a bunch of people said 02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:27.840 genuinely effectively the same thing and I find this is a really 02:07:27.840 --> 02:07:29.840 interesting topic because 02:07:31.840 --> 02:07:35.840 that is being used and not by this individual 02:07:35.840 --> 02:07:39.840 and I'm not trying to call this individual out that is being used as a justification 02:07:39.840 --> 02:07:43.840 to effectively shudder the source of where a lot of this 02:07:43.840 --> 02:07:47.840 information came from and promote and use 02:07:47.840 --> 02:07:51.840 the thing that took all the information and taking what is unfortunately 02:07:51.840 --> 02:07:55.840 a very human real interaction 02:07:55.840 --> 02:07:59.840 and replacing it with a robot that will just glaze the crap out of you 02:07:59.840 --> 02:08:03.840 and tell you that you're actually the smartest person in the world to answer this question 02:08:03.840 --> 02:08:07.840 it's kind of hard to tough 02:08:07.840 --> 02:08:11.840 the situation is tough it's hard to imagine 02:08:11.840 --> 02:08:15.840 a community that wouldn't eventually 02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:19.840 turn kind of toxic which is unfortunate 02:08:19.840 --> 02:08:23.840 but it's also can you think of one though 02:08:23.840 --> 02:08:25.840 a community that never turned toxic 02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:31.840 like hit me up guys hahahaha 02:08:31.840 --> 02:08:35.840 oh man very cool 02:08:35.840 --> 02:08:39.840 very cool LTT forum is actually pretty good 02:08:39.840 --> 02:08:43.840 but it's had its moments it's definitely had its moments 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:47.840 very high toxicity and it has I was 02:08:47.840 --> 02:08:51.840 because of that whole thing with the LTT subreddit 02:08:51.840 --> 02:08:55.840 I was digging through a couple of the long time 02:08:55.840 --> 02:08:59.840 toxic members of the LTT forum 02:08:59.840 --> 02:09:03.840 as kind of part of my conversation with the reddit mods going like look 02:09:03.840 --> 02:09:07.840 if I was as Ben happy as you guys seem to have gotten it 02:09:07.840 --> 02:09:11.840 into your heads that I am these are people that would be 02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:15.840 long gone and I was looking through the infraction history 02:09:15.840 --> 02:09:19.840 for a couple of members of the LTT forum going 02:09:23.840 --> 02:09:27.840 we're kind of at the point where this is now 02:09:27.840 --> 02:09:31.840 subpar community management but these people are still around 02:09:31.840 --> 02:09:35.840 but I guess I've made five points 02:09:35.840 --> 02:09:39.840 we set standards for the forum a long time ago which is kind of tough 02:09:39.840 --> 02:09:43.840 hey spotty he's one of the long time moderators 02:09:43.840 --> 02:09:47.840 on the LTT forum he goes yeah there's a few bands 02:09:47.840 --> 02:09:51.840 that are over to you hahahaha 02:09:51.840 --> 02:09:55.840 but yeah it's just not really a thing but I understand 02:09:55.840 --> 02:09:59.840 you're just trying to figure something out you're confused out of your freaking mind 02:09:59.840 --> 02:10:03.840 you post a thing and people make fun of you it's not a good situation 02:10:03.840 --> 02:10:07.840 but is it better for your brain for 02:10:07.840 --> 02:10:11.840 to have extremely non real interactions 02:10:11.840 --> 02:10:15.840 oh man I don't know 02:10:15.840 --> 02:10:19.840 I don't have an answer here it might be 02:10:19.840 --> 02:10:23.840 but I feel like you're going to end up in these very human scenarios 02:10:23.840 --> 02:10:27.840 and just be totally caught off guard 02:10:27.840 --> 02:10:31.840 by people not telling you that you're the most brilliant, beautiful, amazing 02:10:31.840 --> 02:10:35.840 human being that's ever landed on earth every time you ask 02:10:35.840 --> 02:10:39.840 like how centered if please yeah 02:10:39.840 --> 02:10:43.840 foxman8344 I accidentally read youtube chat 02:10:43.840 --> 02:10:47.840 says I don't need ai to glaze me I just need it to give me the answer 02:10:47.840 --> 02:10:51.840 but it will glaze you it just doesn't tell you anything 02:10:51.840 --> 02:10:55.840 and treats you like an idiot it's unfortunate but a fact 02:10:55.840 --> 02:10:59.840 and that's their lived experience and that doesn't make 02:10:59.840 --> 02:11:03.840 the tragedy of what Luke is saying 02:11:03.840 --> 02:11:07.840 any less real or any less true I'm not even trying to go after the people that are saying that 02:11:07.840 --> 02:11:11.840 I'm not saying it's invalid or whatever 02:11:11.840 --> 02:11:15.840 I'm just saying it's kind of tough that we're ending up in this scenario 02:11:15.840 --> 02:11:19.840 where we're dodging things to interact with something 02:11:19.840 --> 02:11:23.840 in a way that is supposed to feel very human 02:11:23.840 --> 02:11:27.840 but it's actually super not because it is 02:11:27.840 --> 02:11:31.840 like extremely obtusely nice to you 02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:35.840 all the time and a lot of people won't tell it not to be 02:11:35.840 --> 02:11:39.840 you can but almost no one does 02:11:39.840 --> 02:11:43.840 Sarah Lafayette says the farming simulator community is pretty warm 02:11:43.840 --> 02:11:47.840 and fuzzy and farming sim has been around for a long time 02:11:47.840 --> 02:11:51.840 I think that counts I think that counts actually 02:11:51.840 --> 02:11:55.840 and there's even competitive farming sim let's go with that 02:11:55.840 --> 02:11:59.840 do you know there's farming simulator esports? that sounds amazing 02:11:59.840 --> 02:12:03.840 it's actually really awesome that sounds amazing 02:12:03.840 --> 02:12:07.840 we found it we found the warm and fuzzy corner of the internet 02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:11.840 but you said once they get really big 02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:15.840 how big is the farming sim did I say big or did I say long time? 02:12:15.840 --> 02:12:19.840 I thought you said both I don't know how big the farming sim community is 02:12:19.840 --> 02:12:23.840 how many people are playing farming sim right now I'm looking it up 02:12:23.840 --> 02:12:27.840 farming sim active player count how many of these people 02:12:27.840 --> 02:12:31.840 need to engage in the social side of it shut up ai 02:12:31.840 --> 02:12:35.840 hold on what would you define as big 02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:39.840 for an active player count anywhere from 02:12:39.840 --> 02:12:43.840 afternoons late afternoon on a friday 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:47.840 when's the most recent one that released what year is it? 02:12:47.840 --> 02:12:51.840 is it 2025? I don't know 02:12:51.840 --> 02:12:55.840 this is very uneducated people in chat are saying 60k, 30k 02:12:55.840 --> 02:12:59.840 I know I was going to say 5 02:12:59.840 --> 02:13:03.840 you'd say 5k? I'll back you 02:13:03.840 --> 02:13:07.840 I have no idea 5k is big 02:13:07.840 --> 02:13:11.840 35,000 shut up 02:13:11.840 --> 02:13:15.840 wow 35,000 players playing right now 02:13:15.840 --> 02:13:19.840 the 24 hour peak is 39,000 I think this exceeds 02:13:19.840 --> 02:13:23.840 any expectation that seems like a lot of people 02:13:23.840 --> 02:13:27.840 I haven't spent a ton of time on steam charts to see if this is actually a lot or not 02:13:27.840 --> 02:13:31.840 all time peak looks like it was probably when 02:13:31.840 --> 02:13:35.840 25 released 1600 people watching on twitch 02:13:35.840 --> 02:13:39.840 right now that's not a lot 02:13:39.840 --> 02:13:43.840 number 80 for daily active users number 57 for top sellers 02:13:43.840 --> 02:13:47.840 it's pretty serious it's clearly a big deal in terms of players 02:13:47.840 --> 02:13:51.840 but to me the twitch that's indicated 02:13:51.840 --> 02:13:55.840 this feels like a game that doesn't require you to be super social 02:13:55.840 --> 02:13:59.840 the community might not be super big even though there's quite a few players 02:13:59.840 --> 02:14:03.840 look at the old versions in addition to 2025 02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:07.840 I'm still counting it I'm counting it 02:14:07.840 --> 02:14:11.840 if this is a warm and fuzzy community look up 2024 as well 02:14:11.840 --> 02:14:15.840 sure, oh yeah cause this is just specifically this was a good point from Insomniac 02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:19.840 in fulcantia 2022 is apparently 02:14:19.840 --> 02:14:23.840 there do be a lot the last one 02:14:23.840 --> 02:14:27.840 ok 7600 players playing right now 02:14:27.840 --> 02:14:31.840 so if you were it's probably not worth going through all of them 02:14:31.840 --> 02:14:35.840 but if you pile through every 17 has 1300 players 02:14:37.840 --> 02:14:41.840 there's a lot of these to click on 02:14:41.840 --> 02:14:45.840 ok it's starting to really drop off 17 has 337 02:14:45.840 --> 02:14:49.840 it's not nothing though if you release a little indie game 02:14:49.840 --> 02:14:53.840 and it had 337 concurrence you'd be pretty stoked 02:14:53.840 --> 02:14:57.840 like 10 years later alright 02:14:57.840 --> 02:15:01.840 it's huge how many people are playing the new ANO 02:15:01.840 --> 02:15:05.840 oh cause we're not 02:15:05.840 --> 02:15:07.840 I know, I've been needing to try it 02:15:09.840 --> 02:15:13.840 oops dang it, hold on 02:15:13.840 --> 02:15:17.840 I got this, I got this farming seems also on game pass 02:15:17.840 --> 02:15:21.840 dang oh wow, so yeah that would be even more 02:15:21.840 --> 02:15:25.840 4000 people are playing the new ANO with an all time, wait what 02:15:25.840 --> 02:15:29.840 oh this is 1800, whoops this is the old ANO 02:15:29.840 --> 02:15:33.840 this is the old one it's good to know actually 02:15:33.840 --> 02:15:37.840 3700 playing the new one 02:15:37.840 --> 02:15:41.840 and that's down from an all time peak of 02:15:41.840 --> 02:15:45.840 50,000 2 months ago while we're here check out the new sieve 02:15:45.840 --> 02:15:49.840 versus sieve 6 and sieve 5 that's a whoops 02:15:49.840 --> 02:15:53.840 hold on, the oh wow 02:15:53.840 --> 02:15:57.840 the user reviews are 10% 02:15:57.840 --> 02:16:01.840 less likely to be positive for the new ANO 02:16:01.840 --> 02:16:05.840 it's only 70% positive whereas the old one, 1800 02:16:05.840 --> 02:16:09.840 was 79.93% positive so nearly 10 full percentage 02:16:09.840 --> 02:16:13.840 points more positive whoopsie doodles 02:16:13.840 --> 02:16:17.840 oh okay, alright so hold on civilization 02:16:17.840 --> 02:16:21.840 7, yeah Sid Meyers 02:16:21.840 --> 02:16:25.840 7 versus 6 versus 5 that's what I'm interested in 02:16:25.840 --> 02:16:29.840 bring them all up boys, okay so 5 you still got 02:16:29.840 --> 02:16:33.840 17,000 people playing right now that's pretty good actually 02:16:33.840 --> 02:16:37.840 5 is like my favorite one that's like get your vegetables 02:16:37.840 --> 02:16:39.840 cause that's salad 02:16:41.840 --> 02:16:45.840 what salad? it's good, it's solid 02:16:45.840 --> 02:16:49.840 yeah, it's solid alright, sieve 02:16:49.840 --> 02:16:53.840 oh I spoiled it, that's sieve 6 33,000 02:16:53.840 --> 02:16:57.840 I got it spoiled but holy crap 02:16:59.840 --> 02:17:03.840 sieve 7 8 02:17:05.840 --> 02:17:09.840 literally getting doubled up 02:17:09.840 --> 02:17:13.840 by sieve 5 by the 2 generation older one 02:17:13.840 --> 02:17:17.840 and quadrupled up by the last gen sieve 6 02:17:17.840 --> 02:17:21.840 cause sieve 5 is my favorite one sieve 6, once you got some expansions 02:17:21.840 --> 02:17:25.840 in there, actually quite good I didn't like it on launch but it's a lot better now 02:17:25.840 --> 02:17:29.840 but I have a soft spot for sieve 5 02:17:29.840 --> 02:17:33.840 wow get dunked on 02:17:33.840 --> 02:17:37.840 sieve 7 kinda unfortunate cause I really like sieve 02:17:37.840 --> 02:17:41.840 but man sieve 7 just 02:17:41.840 --> 02:17:45.840 reeked right out of the gate so many design decisions in sieve 7 02:17:45.840 --> 02:17:49.840 that were just like the immediate second 02:17:49.840 --> 02:17:53.840 cause it even existed that's disgusting 02:17:53.840 --> 02:17:57.840 look at the user reviews my god man 02:17:57.840 --> 02:18:01.840 under 50% positive I mean someone likes it 02:18:01.840 --> 02:18:05.840 so that's something I mean you often say 02:18:05.840 --> 02:18:09.840 a game for everyone is a game for someone this is a game for not many 02:18:11.840 --> 02:18:15.840 but someone some 8,000 people 02:18:15.840 --> 02:18:19.840 chose to play this over 6 or 5 right now 02:18:19.840 --> 02:18:23.840 now they chose that maybe they got it for free with their arc gb 02:18:25.840 --> 02:18:29.840 they were like wait I own all these other games already wait I could have gotten battlefield 6 02:18:29.840 --> 02:18:33.840 damn this was a mistake 02:18:33.840 --> 02:18:37.840 look at stardew valley there's a lot of high tails a game that just launched 02:18:37.840 --> 02:18:41.840 that is theoretically very popular almost 60,000 people playing stardew valley right now 02:18:41.840 --> 02:18:45.840 I still haven't played it I really gotta try it 02:18:45.840 --> 02:18:49.840 I'm also concerned that my life could be consumed by a game like this 02:18:49.840 --> 02:18:53.840 I got I actually tried to play at one point 02:18:53.840 --> 02:18:57.840 then I got super obsessed over the timing cause like the seasons 02:18:57.840 --> 02:19:01.840 will turn over I got super obsessed over min maxing 02:19:01.840 --> 02:19:05.840 like the turn over of the season you? 02:19:05.840 --> 02:19:09.840 and buying pre-saving money to buy the right 02:19:09.840 --> 02:19:13.840 seeds for the beginning of the next one and selling things at the right time 02:19:13.840 --> 02:19:17.840 this is the point of this game I think it is the point of the game 02:19:17.840 --> 02:19:21.840 maybe I think the point of the game is you can play it however you want to play it 02:19:21.840 --> 02:19:25.840 that's fair high tail 02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:27.840 last one 02:19:31.840 --> 02:19:35.840 oh right it's not on steam it's like it's own launcher 02:19:35.840 --> 02:19:39.840 or something we're moving on then 02:19:39.840 --> 02:19:43.840 okay that's what we're doing audibly 02:19:43.840 --> 02:19:47.840 cause we can see the sign don't make me point at the sign 02:19:47.840 --> 02:19:51.840 tap tap tap we could do more sponsors 02:19:51.840 --> 02:19:55.840 we could do more topics up to you guys you tell us what to do Dan 02:19:55.840 --> 02:19:59.840 we're in another time zone and our brains are dead sure all technically I am too 02:19:59.840 --> 02:20:03.840 insane so let's finish off sponsors why not 02:20:03.840 --> 02:20:07.840 I see what? I'm in a different time zone than you 02:20:07.840 --> 02:20:11.840 oh my god okay what did he say? 02:20:11.840 --> 02:20:15.840 sponsors or topics let's just finish off the sponsors 02:20:15.840 --> 02:20:19.840 okay never mind let's do a very short topic 02:20:19.840 --> 02:20:23.840 then we'll do that you can now reserve a hotel 02:20:23.840 --> 02:20:27.840 room on the moon for a quarter million dollars 02:20:27.840 --> 02:20:31.840 there's an article on Ars Technica 02:20:33.840 --> 02:20:37.840 what? yep a company called Gru Space 02:20:37.840 --> 02:20:41.840 wants to make habitats on the moon 02:20:41.840 --> 02:20:45.840 and have invited people to put down a deposit 02:20:45.840 --> 02:20:49.840 I figured out our grift oh yeah Luke and I were talking about 02:20:49.840 --> 02:20:53.840 how our lives would have been a lot easier and a lot more lucrative 02:20:53.840 --> 02:20:57.840 if we had just grifted at every opportunity to grift 02:20:57.840 --> 02:21:01.840 we should have just made a coin we still could make a coin 02:21:01.840 --> 02:21:05.840 we could make adequate coin yeah 02:21:06.840 --> 02:21:10.840 six hours after launch yeah 02:21:10.840 --> 02:21:14.840 we say that but then we do it in five and a half hours yeah oh that's good 02:21:14.840 --> 02:21:17.840 that's good got him but no Linestown 02:21:17.840 --> 02:21:21.840 we've been talking about it forever Linestown is on the moon and you can pre-sell property 02:21:21.840 --> 02:21:25.840 why? oh my god stop it yeah 02:21:25.840 --> 02:21:28.840 it's perfect it really does seem like people 02:21:28.840 --> 02:21:32.840 it really does seem like there's no consequences though like in the world we're living in 02:21:32.840 --> 02:21:36.840 that was what really prompted this conversation is we're in New York obviously 02:21:36.840 --> 02:21:40.840 because we're here for The Tonight Show and 02:21:40.840 --> 02:21:44.840 we were talking about how the former mayor of New York launched a coin 02:21:44.840 --> 02:21:48.840 shortly after getting booted out of office for being like 02:21:48.840 --> 02:21:52.840 mega mega corrupt and 02:21:52.840 --> 02:21:56.840 launched a coin and then within hours 02:21:56.840 --> 02:22:00.840 Rugg pulled it and made millions of dollars allegedly and 02:22:00.840 --> 02:22:04.840 and how just like that was the most 02:22:04.840 --> 02:22:08.840 obvious possible outcome 02:22:08.840 --> 02:22:12.840 and yet it happened 02:22:12.840 --> 02:22:16.840 and someone somewhere was probably surprised 02:22:16.840 --> 02:22:20.840 and there doesn't seem to be 02:22:20.840 --> 02:22:24.840 any long-term consequences and it's just like 02:22:24.840 --> 02:22:28.840 at some point you kinda look around 02:22:28.840 --> 02:22:30.840 and you kinda go like 02:22:32.840 --> 02:22:36.840 is there is there no reward 02:22:36.840 --> 02:22:40.840 for just being honorable like where is Luke's millions of dollars 02:22:40.840 --> 02:22:44.840 where is it I think adequate coin 02:22:44.840 --> 02:22:48.840 is your millions of dollars we need like that in the arms of an angel 02:22:48.840 --> 02:22:52.840 song to play in the arms of an angel 02:22:52.840 --> 02:22:56.840 when you're saying where is Luke's millions of dollars hahahaha 02:23:00.840 --> 02:23:04.840 Corey G says meanwhile I'm in debt and if I did that I'd be prosecuted 02:23:04.840 --> 02:23:08.840 yeah right like it's you're not rich enough to scam fool 02:23:10.840 --> 02:23:14.840 figure it out nwash says 02:23:14.840 --> 02:23:18.840 my theory is it's not regular people putting their money into Eric Adams's cryptocurrency 02:23:18.840 --> 02:23:22.840 it's a money laundering scheme but here's the thing like I 02:23:22.840 --> 02:23:26.840 I'm having a deja vu moment because we 02:23:26.840 --> 02:23:30.840 literally talked about this on the last WAN Show is it such a 02:23:30.840 --> 02:23:34.840 like I don't actually know so I'm just gonna say 02:23:34.840 --> 02:23:38.840 I don't know money laundering explanation 02:23:38.840 --> 02:23:42.840 I don't actually think that a lot of the things we dismiss as 02:23:42.840 --> 02:23:46.840 I don't know probably money laundering are actually money laundering 02:23:46.840 --> 02:23:50.840 what would be the point of having like a way to bribe 02:23:50.840 --> 02:23:54.840 a formerly elected official he's not the mayor of New York City 02:23:54.840 --> 02:23:58.840 anymore he's not anybody anymore so what would be the 02:23:58.840 --> 02:24:02.840 what would be the benefit of giving him a bunch of money who 02:24:02.840 --> 02:24:06.840 is laundering the money like what's the there might still be connections there like I know 02:24:06.840 --> 02:24:10.840 um yeah 02:24:10.840 --> 02:24:14.840 I suspect there's still a lot of political connections even though he's not the mayor anymore 02:24:14.840 --> 02:24:18.840 sure but millions I don't know 02:24:18.840 --> 02:24:22.840 but what is he what can he impact 02:24:22.840 --> 02:24:26.840 at this point and what illegitimate source of money 02:24:26.840 --> 02:24:30.840 is being laundered because that's the point of money laundering 02:24:30.840 --> 02:24:34.840 is that you have illegitimate income that you are trying to turn into 02:24:34.840 --> 02:24:38.840 legitimate cash so just giving it 02:24:38.840 --> 02:24:42.840 to the former mayor of New York I might be wrong 02:24:42.840 --> 02:24:46.840 maybe that is totally money laundering and it was super effective 02:24:46.840 --> 02:24:50.840 who knows yeah 02:24:50.840 --> 02:24:54.840 Charmander used Char and it was 02:24:54.840 --> 02:24:58.840 I don't know burn the money 02:24:58.840 --> 02:25:00.840 maybe it works 02:25:08.840 --> 02:25:12.840 okay should we should we next topic 02:25:12.840 --> 02:25:16.840 yeah I'm just yeah I'm sorry 02:25:16.840 --> 02:25:20.840 I'm just trying to I don't actually care 02:25:20.840 --> 02:25:24.840 I don't have anything to add I don't know what the 02:25:24.840 --> 02:25:28.840 the answer to this is obviously this is ridiculous don't 02:25:28.840 --> 02:25:32.840 spend 250k on a thing that's almost certainly never going to exist 02:25:34.840 --> 02:25:38.840 no I should okay 02:25:38.840 --> 02:25:42.840 not never but I expect to be dead so yeah 02:25:42.840 --> 02:25:46.840 before there's a hotel on the moon we will have a moon base 02:25:46.840 --> 02:25:50.840 or I will be very sad but I don't think there's going to be a hotel 02:25:52.840 --> 02:25:56.840 like an actual like check in hotel 02:25:58.840 --> 02:26:02.840 what if you could rent a room on the moon base with that count 02:26:02.840 --> 02:26:06.840 I don't but it's not like strictly like it would work 02:26:06.840 --> 02:26:10.840 that way I don't know how it would work to be honest with you 02:26:10.840 --> 02:26:14.840 I mean with the cuts to NASA 02:26:14.840 --> 02:26:18.840 but then again like the Chinese are rapidly pursuing more lunar stuff 02:26:18.840 --> 02:26:22.840 right now so I'm pretty sure we're going to have a moon base 02:26:22.840 --> 02:26:26.840 who's we though like people in general 02:26:26.840 --> 02:26:30.840 earthlings I'm fairly certain we'll have a moon base 02:26:30.840 --> 02:26:34.840 and I don't even think it's going to be like way too much longer Artemis is like happening 02:26:34.840 --> 02:26:36.840 but will we be able to go wailing on the moon 02:26:38.840 --> 02:26:42.840 which trillionaire will first 02:26:42.840 --> 02:26:46.840 migrate whales from earth to the moon yeah to go wailing on the moon 02:26:46.840 --> 02:26:50.840 we carry our harpoons maybe they just bring themselves and that's good enough 02:26:50.840 --> 02:26:54.840 but there ain't no whales so we tell tall tales and sing a wailing tune 02:26:54.840 --> 02:26:58.840 it's a future on the moon 02:27:00.840 --> 02:27:04.840 anyways moving on 02:27:04.840 --> 02:27:08.840 someone got it thank you the US Department of Commerce lifts planned crackdown on Chinese drones 02:27:08.840 --> 02:27:12.840 including DJI with some caveats 02:27:12.840 --> 02:27:16.840 we talked about this on Wancho before they were essentially banning all Chinese drones 02:27:16.840 --> 02:27:20.840 from being sold in the US including their parts 02:27:20.840 --> 02:27:24.840 but there's been an update the US Department of Commerce have partially reversed their planned crackdown on Chinese drone sales 02:27:24.840 --> 02:27:28.840 in the country citing improved relations with 02:27:28.840 --> 02:27:32.840 China I guess although the FCC and DOC 02:27:32.840 --> 02:27:36.840 bans are two different things cool 02:27:36.840 --> 02:27:40.840 yeah neat the lifting of these restrictions will allow drone manufacturers 02:27:40.840 --> 02:27:44.840 to import units that are already approved by the FCC 02:27:44.840 --> 02:27:48.840 meaning that companies like DJI could potentially import their older models 02:27:48.840 --> 02:27:52.840 but not newer ones I thought that was basically what it was already 02:27:52.840 --> 02:27:56.840 so maybe I'm maybe I'm missing something here 02:27:56.840 --> 02:28:00.840 the FCC ban on brand new foreign made drones still stands 02:28:00.840 --> 02:28:04.840 so we'll keep you guys posted on that but there's a lot of drone enthusiasts 02:28:04.840 --> 02:28:08.840 within the tech sphere and like I said I have a personal interest 02:28:08.840 --> 02:28:12.840 in this story just because of my brother in law's company, Spexy 02:28:12.840 --> 02:28:16.840 they do the drone mapping thing that they're doing it's really cool 02:28:16.840 --> 02:28:20.840 and they kind of rely on people having drones 02:28:20.840 --> 02:28:24.840 affordable access to high quality drones pretty important for them 02:28:24.840 --> 02:28:28.840 I'm just kind of keeping a finger on the pulse of this one 02:28:28.840 --> 02:28:32.840 speaking of corruption, YNCO I think must have cleared 02:28:32.840 --> 02:28:36.840 it might have who knows 02:28:36.840 --> 02:28:40.840 I have no idea but it was quite the turnaround 02:28:40.840 --> 02:28:44.840 speaking of turnarounds, GROC has finally been updated to stop undressing 02:28:44.840 --> 02:28:48.840 women and children according to X-Safety way to go GROC, really happy you disabled 02:28:48.840 --> 02:28:52.840 the shelf in the meantime so that didn't continue happening this entire time 02:28:52.840 --> 02:28:56.840 that was a really responsible decision and truly a respectable 02:28:56.840 --> 02:29:00.840 self self 02:29:00.840 --> 02:29:04.840 self-governance move 02:29:04.840 --> 02:29:08.840 so that thing we just said didn't happen brief history, GROC was discovered 02:29:08.840 --> 02:29:12.840 generating thousands of non-consensual sexualized images by virtually undressing 02:29:12.840 --> 02:29:16.840 women and even children from regular photos triggering investigations in the UK 02:29:16.840 --> 02:29:20.840 California and bands in Indonesia and Malaysia 02:29:20.840 --> 02:29:24.840 imagine Indonesia and Malaysia being like the countries that have the stones 02:29:24.840 --> 02:29:28.840 to just act on this and no one else 02:29:28.840 --> 02:29:32.840 really Musk dismissed criticism as censorship 02:29:32.840 --> 02:29:36.840 because of course he would and X's only initial response 02:29:36.840 --> 02:29:40.840 was putting timeline based image editing behind a paywall 02:29:40.840 --> 02:29:44.840 so basically you had to pay to at GROC in the response to a picture to ask it to change it 02:29:44.840 --> 02:29:48.840 but it was still possible to tap on the image and edit it using the image editing tools 02:29:48.840 --> 02:29:52.840 and then use the GROC app to generate images as well situation as of Thursday 02:29:52.840 --> 02:29:56.840 X-Safety finally announced technological measures to stop GROC 02:29:56.840 --> 02:30:00.840 from undressing people into bikinis slash revealing clothing 02:30:00.840 --> 02:30:04.840 restricting image editing to paid subscribers and geo-blocking the feature where it's illegal 02:30:04.840 --> 02:30:08.840 a change that came only after California Attorney General 02:30:08.840 --> 02:30:12.840 Rob Bonta opened an investigation into whether XAI is facilitating 02:30:12.840 --> 02:30:16.840 large-scale production of deep fake non-consensual intimate images 02:30:16.840 --> 02:30:18.840 it's amazing how like 02:30:20.840 --> 02:30:24.840 how slow the law works for large 02:30:24.840 --> 02:30:26.840 rich entities 02:30:28.840 --> 02:30:32.840 we are opening an investigation what are you talking about 02:30:32.840 --> 02:30:36.840 your investigation is open a web browser 02:30:36.840 --> 02:30:38.840 what are you even talking about 02:30:40.840 --> 02:30:44.840 pushback from the Verge despite X's announced restrictions 02:30:44.840 --> 02:30:48.840 the Verge found it took less than a minute to bypass them GROC still complied 02:30:48.840 --> 02:30:52.840 with requests to show cleavage make breasts bigger 02:30:52.840 --> 02:30:56.840 put subjects in crop tops and low-rise shorts 02:30:56.840 --> 02:31:00.840 which produced bikini images extremely revealing lingerie 02:31:00.840 --> 02:31:04.840 and sexualized poses all using free accounts with only a trivially 02:31:04.840 --> 02:31:08.840 bypassable age checkbox without checking the Verge's article 02:31:08.840 --> 02:31:12.840 and to their credit so 02:31:12.840 --> 02:31:16.840 but I actually suspect that it took less than a minute 02:31:16.840 --> 02:31:20.840 thing was their first attempt 02:31:20.840 --> 02:31:24.840 I don't think they mean it takes less than a minute to do it every time 02:31:24.840 --> 02:31:28.840 oh yeah I think they can break it instantaneously now 02:31:28.840 --> 02:31:32.840 and they just with almost no effort made this happen immediately 02:31:40.840 --> 02:31:44.840 do you think if Elon was a hot young woman who was 02:31:44.840 --> 02:31:48.840 you know physically modest these things would be different 02:31:48.840 --> 02:31:52.840 I just mean like it's very clear 02:31:52.840 --> 02:31:56.840 that the leadership just doesn't care 02:31:56.840 --> 02:32:00.840 about about this 02:32:00.840 --> 02:32:04.840 and completely lacks empathy 02:32:04.840 --> 02:32:08.840 for anyone who is impacted by it because 02:32:08.840 --> 02:32:12.840 the slow rolling of any kind of action 02:32:12.840 --> 02:32:16.840 ineffective action even is just 02:32:16.840 --> 02:32:20.840 see here's the thing though Kitsunilane 02:32:20.840 --> 02:32:24.840 you're saying no they care it's a money making opportunity 02:32:24.840 --> 02:32:28.840 except it isn't they're not making money on this 02:32:28.840 --> 02:32:30.840 generating these AI images costs a fortune 02:32:32.840 --> 02:32:36.840 so it's like losing money 02:32:36.840 --> 02:32:40.840 just to try to win this 02:32:40.840 --> 02:32:44.840 LLM space race that 02:32:46.840 --> 02:32:48.840 maybe will never be profitable 02:32:50.840 --> 02:32:54.840 and harming people in the meantime like there's no real 02:33:02.840 --> 02:33:06.840 so I mentioned this in flipping chat it's a very off topic but 02:33:06.840 --> 02:33:10.840 I had forgotten about it and I really doubt it's in the dock because this is very 02:33:10.840 --> 02:33:12.840 new information I think this morning 02:33:14.840 --> 02:33:18.840 while you find it PK7 says remember when Microsoft's chat 02:33:18.840 --> 02:33:22.840 bot was shut down in under a day when people made it turn into a Nazi years 02:33:22.840 --> 02:33:26.840 ago now LLMs are just completely running haywire 02:33:26.840 --> 02:33:30.840 and everyone's like yeah that's what they do yeah I remember 02:33:30.840 --> 02:33:34.840 so it was SB in full plane chat so can we talk about Canada allowing Chinese 02:33:34.840 --> 02:33:38.840 cars with a 6% tariff did you see that oh really that's a thing 02:33:38.840 --> 02:33:42.840 holy crap that would be huge 02:33:42.840 --> 02:33:46.840 I think it's like is it done I think so shut up 02:33:46.840 --> 02:33:48.840 6% that's reasonable 02:33:52.840 --> 02:33:56.840 yeah slashes 100% tariffs to just 02:33:56.840 --> 02:34:00.840 6% when did this happen like this morning 02:34:00.840 --> 02:34:04.840 oh today yeah whoa 02:34:04.840 --> 02:34:08.840 49,000 unit annual quota joint venture 02:34:08.840 --> 02:34:12.840 focus okay so basically what I would have wanted 02:34:12.840 --> 02:34:16.840 because as far as my understanding goes they're hoping to get some of the 02:34:16.840 --> 02:34:20.840 I'm sure it'll just be finishing but some of the manufacturing here well yeah I would hope so 02:34:20.840 --> 02:34:24.840 yeah okay cool 02:34:24.840 --> 02:34:28.840 has agreed to allow an annual quota 49,000 Chinese electric vehicles 02:34:28.840 --> 02:34:32.840 tariff rate of just 6.1% certainly targets the low 02:34:32.840 --> 02:34:36.840 end of the market so affordable more than 50% 02:34:36.840 --> 02:34:40.840 of these should be affordable EVs with an import price of less than 35,000 02:34:40.840 --> 02:34:44.840 dollars is that CAD please tell me that's CAD because that 02:34:44.840 --> 02:34:48.840 would be a game changer for affordability of EVs 02:34:48.840 --> 02:34:52.840 that's a quote so I think it would like have to be according to the prime minister's 02:34:52.840 --> 02:34:56.840 office why would they be talking in usd yeah 02:34:56.840 --> 02:35:00.840 wild here we go the interesting detail here is the joint venture language it looks 02:35:00.840 --> 02:35:04.840 like Carney is taking a page of China's own book kind of seems to be using this quota as 02:35:04.840 --> 02:35:08.840 a carrot to get companies like BYD and cattle to set up 02:35:08.840 --> 02:35:12.840 shop in Canada maybe help Canadian companies learn from those giants 02:35:12.840 --> 02:35:16.840 because that's technically what China did with Tesla 02:35:16.840 --> 02:35:20.840 where they invited them in as this idea of like you're currently better 02:35:20.840 --> 02:35:24.840 than all of our companies but if you're here we'll get to see what you're doing 02:35:24.840 --> 02:35:28.840 and learn from you I don't think there will be all of that much 02:35:28.840 --> 02:35:32.840 that we can learn from the 02:35:32.840 --> 02:35:36.840 Chinese way of making them cheaper it's probably not going to work for us 02:35:36.840 --> 02:35:40.840 I'm excited by the joint venture thing because I mean jobs are 02:35:40.840 --> 02:35:44.840 always good but this is like very 02:35:44.840 --> 02:35:48.840 should be relatively obvious to everyone this is 02:35:48.840 --> 02:35:52.840 this is very obviously a 02:35:52.840 --> 02:35:54.840 political coin 02:35:56.840 --> 02:36:00.840 there's been I mean there was a I think it was like the ambassador to Canada 02:36:00.840 --> 02:36:04.840 on a radio show in Canada recently said 02:36:04.840 --> 02:36:08.840 like basically we don't need you guys for anything which is like 02:36:08.840 --> 02:36:12.840 you know what fair enough but then we have to play that game too 02:36:12.840 --> 02:36:16.840 so that's part of this I strongly suspect 02:36:16.840 --> 02:36:20.840 it's definitely all political pawn hackers like I often see 02:36:20.840 --> 02:36:24.840 people say you know I don't want to talk about politics 02:36:24.840 --> 02:36:28.840 I don't want to think about politics and it's like politics isn't 02:36:28.840 --> 02:36:32.840 waiting for you to talk about it it's not waiting for you to think about it 02:36:32.840 --> 02:36:36.840 you can try to leave politics alone but politics is not going to leave you alone 02:36:36.840 --> 02:36:40.840 it just doesn't it just doesn't work that way 02:36:40.840 --> 02:36:44.840 just we would go on 02:36:44.840 --> 02:36:48.840 like no I don't think so 02:36:50.840 --> 02:36:54.840 can you what can they see 02:36:54.840 --> 02:36:58.840 hahahaha hahahaha 02:36:58.840 --> 02:37:02.840 hahahaha hahahaha 02:37:02.840 --> 02:37:06.840 hahahaha hahahaha 02:37:06.840 --> 02:37:10.840 hahahaha he's like ever so lightly 02:37:10.840 --> 02:37:14.840 snoring okay is this against 02:37:14.840 --> 02:37:18.840 TOS? I don't know if you have people awake 02:37:18.840 --> 02:37:22.840 oh and then 02:37:22.840 --> 02:37:26.840 you sleep for it to be a sleeping stream there are sleeping streams now 02:37:26.840 --> 02:37:30.840 I thought they're against TOS no they're a thing now 100% 02:37:30.840 --> 02:37:34.840 they're sleeping streams now oh really? oh 100% 02:37:34.840 --> 02:37:38.840 okay yeah that's probably fine 02:37:38.840 --> 02:37:42.840 probably fine no it's not against TOS 02:37:42.840 --> 02:37:46.840 and that's how politics works yeah there you go 02:37:48.840 --> 02:37:52.840 okay I guess it's kosher so we're good 02:37:52.840 --> 02:37:56.840 sure hahahaha 02:37:56.840 --> 02:38:00.840 hahahaha hahahaha 02:38:00.840 --> 02:38:04.840 hahahaha okay well I mean 02:38:04.840 --> 02:38:08.840 yeah yeah I guess we just keep going he's comfortable yeah he seems happy 02:38:08.840 --> 02:38:12.840 I think it's fine hahahaha 02:38:12.840 --> 02:38:16.840 should we oh let's do the rest of the sponsors 02:38:16.840 --> 02:38:20.840 then we'll talk about NVIDIA resurrecting we did 02:38:20.840 --> 02:38:24.840 yeah we did that already okay so it's not sinking 02:38:24.840 --> 02:38:28.840 but collapsing really? because I'm fairly certain I did 02:38:28.840 --> 02:38:32.840 is it still open for you? did you collapse it or is it still open? 02:38:32.840 --> 02:38:36.840 oh was it just in here twice? it's in here twice 02:38:36.840 --> 02:38:40.840 oh this topic 02:38:40.840 --> 02:38:44.840 no that's a different topic it is? yeah 02:38:44.840 --> 02:38:48.840 oh okay the other one 02:38:48.840 --> 02:38:52.840 they're highly related why don't we do the sponsors 02:38:52.840 --> 02:38:56.840 and then we've got a few more topics and then we'll do after dark 02:38:56.840 --> 02:39:00.840 if Sammy is hourly is this paid since he's on camera 02:39:00.840 --> 02:39:04.840 is the whole area is full of click comment I have no idea 02:39:04.840 --> 02:39:08.840 hahahaha I don't know I'm not gonna 02:39:08.840 --> 02:39:12.840 worry about that right now Sammy had a very demanding day yesterday 02:39:12.840 --> 02:39:16.840 I think it was up pretty late working so what he's gonna do is give him a hard time 02:39:16.840 --> 02:39:20.840 because he clocked out clocked the heck out 02:39:20.840 --> 02:39:24.840 he also I think might be working later because he has to get that social post up 02:39:24.840 --> 02:39:28.840 he'll be fine the show is brought to you today by Miro 02:39:28.840 --> 02:39:32.840 when you're working with a team sometimes an idea can get stuck in limbo 02:39:32.840 --> 02:39:36.840 and take months or even years to come to fruition 02:39:36.840 --> 02:39:40.840 but our sponsor Miro says they want to be your productivity hero 02:39:40.840 --> 02:39:44.840 Miro is a collaborative online whiteboard that helps teams 02:39:44.840 --> 02:39:48.840 work together regardless of where they are in the world so when those ideas 02:39:48.840 --> 02:39:52.840 are stuck in that gap between concept and execution 02:39:52.840 --> 02:39:56.840 they help you avoid killing your team's momentum Miro insights 02:39:56.840 --> 02:40:00.840 and AI tools will help generate a starting point for your team so you can get to the bottom of the big questions 02:40:00.840 --> 02:40:04.840 like if your boss is taller than Napoleon 02:40:04.840 --> 02:40:08.840 Miro isn't here to replace the tools your team loves it's meant to help keep 02:40:08.840 --> 02:40:12.840 your team organized and aligned on the same goal and while we can't show it on screen 02:40:12.840 --> 02:40:16.840 our company org chart was actually made on Miro so anyone who works 02:40:16.840 --> 02:40:20.840 here can go in and see the direct reports of the different teams 02:40:20.840 --> 02:40:24.840 and who they're supposed to talk to so help your teams 02:40:24.840 --> 02:40:28.840 get great done with Miro check out Miro.com to find out how 02:40:28.840 --> 02:40:32.840 that's M-I-R-O dot com 02:40:32.840 --> 02:40:36.840 finally the show is brought to you by Jabba word on the street 02:40:36.840 --> 02:40:40.840 actually word on the land show is that it may be even more difficult to hunt down 02:40:40.840 --> 02:40:44.840 an RTX 5060 or a 16 gig or a 5070ti 02:40:44.840 --> 02:40:48.840 so if you were looking to upgrade from your old 30 series card grabbing a used one 02:40:48.840 --> 02:40:52.840 might be a good option that's where our partner Jabba can help 02:40:52.840 --> 02:40:56.840 Jabba is a gaming marketplace where you can buy and sell new and used gaming peripherals 02:40:56.840 --> 02:41:00.840 and custom PCs at fair prices so not only can you hunt down 02:41:00.840 --> 02:41:04.840 a new GPU on their platform but you might get some money back by selling 02:41:04.840 --> 02:41:08.840 your old card and with 70ti and DDR5 stocks going up 02:41:08.840 --> 02:41:12.840 maybe now's the time to sell your system and cash in whether you're buying or selling 02:41:12.840 --> 02:41:16.840 Jabba ensures your transactions are safe and reliable so if you want 02:41:16.840 --> 02:41:20.840 to skip the hassle of researching, buying and building a gaming PC for yourself 02:41:20.840 --> 02:41:24.840 and if you want to skip the hassle you can buy a full PC from one of 02:41:24.840 --> 02:41:28.840 Jabba's verified sellers visit Jabba.link 02:41:28.840 --> 02:41:32.840 slash when jan26 that is a hell of a vanity 02:41:32.840 --> 02:41:36.840 URL to get started I assume we have a QR code, Dan? 02:41:36.840 --> 02:41:40.840 Not today? Okay maybe do you want to just drop 02:41:40.840 --> 02:41:44.840 that link in the chat for the very few we got this now too 02:41:46.840 --> 02:41:50.840 This now? What is it? Live slug 02:41:50.840 --> 02:41:52.840 Slug reaction 02:41:54.840 --> 02:41:58.840 It's a very vintage meme It's a very vintage meme 02:41:58.840 --> 02:42:02.840 I don't uh Doesn't check out for me 02:42:04.840 --> 02:42:08.840 Okay cool Yeah people remember it 02:42:08.840 --> 02:42:12.840 The immortal slug If people get it then 02:42:12.840 --> 02:42:16.840 the people do take the WAN Show This is the new 02:42:16.840 --> 02:42:20.840 WAN Show 50% Luke 50% me and 50% 02:42:20.840 --> 02:42:24.840 you guys you just tell us how it works Live slug 02:42:24.840 --> 02:42:28.840 Confirmed 10% sleeping Sammy 10% sleeping Sammy 02:42:28.840 --> 02:42:32.840 Yeah Apple 02:42:32.840 --> 02:42:36.840 picks Google's Gemini AI for its big Siri upgrade 02:42:36.840 --> 02:42:40.840 and other Google AI stories Apple and Google announced a multi-year 02:42:40.840 --> 02:42:44.840 collaboration where Apple will base the next generation of its Apple 02:42:44.840 --> 02:42:48.840 foundation models on Google's Gemini models and cloud technology 02:42:48.840 --> 02:42:52.840 with the partnership powering future Apple intelligence features including a more 02:42:52.840 --> 02:42:56.840 personalized Siri expected in 2026 02:42:56.840 --> 02:43:00.840 I'm going off script here but it kind of sounds like Apple just 02:43:00.840 --> 02:43:04.840 gave up Maybe not maybe not 02:43:04.840 --> 02:43:08.840 Maybe this will be like the Apple car Wait 02:43:08.840 --> 02:43:12.840 Okay anyway Pretty much Google's Gemini models will serve as 02:43:12.840 --> 02:43:16.840 the technical foundation allowing Apple to bring more advanced AI features to its kind of lagging 02:43:16.840 --> 02:43:20.840 ecosystem more quickly Despite the partnership according to their 02:43:20.840 --> 02:43:24.840 statement Apple will retain control over its AI ecosystem 02:43:24.840 --> 02:43:28.840 even while using Google's Gemini models Apple intelligence features will continue 02:43:28.840 --> 02:43:32.840 to run on Apple devices and its private cloud infrastructure ensuring that user 02:43:32.840 --> 02:43:36.840 privacy remains central Okay 02:43:36.840 --> 02:43:40.840 Meanwhile, Google unveiled the Universal Commerce Protocol 02:43:40.840 --> 02:43:44.840 UCP an open standard designed to enable agentic commerce letting 02:43:44.840 --> 02:43:48.840 AI agents complete the full shopping journey 02:43:48.840 --> 02:43:52.840 Shopping journey good lord By providing a common 02:43:52.840 --> 02:43:56.840 language that connects agents, retailers payment providers and platforms 02:43:56.840 --> 02:44:00.840 UCP has been co-developed with major retail partners 02:44:00.840 --> 02:44:04.840 and widely endorsed including by companies like Shopify, Etsy, Wayfair, Target 02:44:04.840 --> 02:44:08.840 and Walmart It's also compatible with existing protocols 02:44:08.840 --> 02:44:12.840 such as agent to agent agent payments protocol and model 02:44:12.840 --> 02:44:16.840 context protocol Alright I mean honestly 02:44:16.840 --> 02:44:20.840 As a store I like it 02:44:20.840 --> 02:44:24.840 As a consumer I'm just like oh my god can we just 02:44:24.840 --> 02:44:28.840 and crapify everything can it just like 02:44:28.840 --> 02:44:32.840 tell me how many tablespoons of coffee grounds to use 02:44:32.840 --> 02:44:36.840 like can it just and not recommend the best is part of 02:44:36.840 --> 02:44:40.840 waking up like can we just not you know but it will 02:44:40.840 --> 02:44:44.840 it's all head in that direction Google is also introducing tools 02:44:44.840 --> 02:44:48.840 to help retailers in the agentic commerce era including business agent 02:44:48.840 --> 02:44:52.840 which lets shoppers chat directly with brands in search 02:44:52.840 --> 02:44:56.840 it's not all good news for Google 02:44:56.840 --> 02:45:00.840 a Guardian investigation found that Google's AI overviews provided inaccurate 02:45:00.840 --> 02:45:04.840 and potentially dangerous health information for example 02:45:04.840 --> 02:45:08.840 sharing misleading liver function test data that could reassure seriously 02:45:08.840 --> 02:45:12.840 ill users it also lacked important medical context 02:45:12.840 --> 02:45:16.840 such as age, sex and ethnicity in response Google removed 02:45:16.840 --> 02:45:20.840 some of these health related AI overviews including for the aforementioned 02:45:20.840 --> 02:45:24.840 liver test queries but health experts and charities warned that similar 02:45:24.840 --> 02:45:28.840 problematic AI summaries still appear for other sensitive topics and urged 02:45:28.840 --> 02:45:32.840 the company to steer users toward reliable evidence based 02:45:32.840 --> 02:45:36.840 health resources so agree this was a large 02:45:36.840 --> 02:45:40.840 summary of many things I'm going to jump kind of back up to the top with the 02:45:40.840 --> 02:45:44.840 Siri upgrade going for Gemini they were previously signed up 02:45:44.840 --> 02:45:48.840 with open AI this jump especially with 02:45:48.840 --> 02:45:52.840 a long-term jump is very interesting for the whole 02:45:52.840 --> 02:45:56.840 bubble pop conversation because there's been a bunch of counters 02:45:56.840 --> 02:46:00.840 to the bubble pop conversation including that even if 02:46:00.840 --> 02:46:04.840 the AI bubble pops a lot of the companies 02:46:04.840 --> 02:46:08.840 that are in the AI bubble 02:46:08.840 --> 02:46:12.840 are companies that are just revenueing a ton of money 02:46:12.840 --> 02:46:16.840 even regardless of AI stuff going on yep so like 02:46:16.840 --> 02:46:20.840 it's a bit of a tough situation but one of the 02:46:20.840 --> 02:46:24.840 very interesting important parts of the AI 02:46:24.840 --> 02:46:28.840 bubble thing has been that open AI is at the center of basically 02:46:28.840 --> 02:46:32.840 all of it and open AI doesn't have very good cash flow 02:46:32.840 --> 02:46:36.840 yep and this really can't help 02:46:36.840 --> 02:46:40.840 no this is a huge problem because what a news story 02:46:40.840 --> 02:46:44.840 to lose that contract has got to be brutal 02:46:44.840 --> 02:46:48.840 for them because it's not just that 02:46:48.840 --> 02:46:52.840 they lost a contract is that they lost a contract with the 02:46:52.840 --> 02:46:56.840 what's the mind share? winner of the phone race more or less 02:46:56.840 --> 02:47:00.840 I enjoy my Android but like so does 70 plus percent of the world 02:47:00.840 --> 02:47:04.840 even though America loves its iPhone but in the place where a lot of people spend 02:47:04.840 --> 02:47:08.840 a lot of the money iPhone is dominating 02:47:08.840 --> 02:47:12.840 and it's like man 02:47:12.840 --> 02:47:16.840 it's uh this is very interesting 02:47:16.840 --> 02:47:18.840 so we'll see how it goes 02:47:20.840 --> 02:47:24.840 Apple steered clear of the search wars now they're steering clear of the AI wars 02:47:24.840 --> 02:47:28.840 yeah but it doesn't necessarily mean I don't personally take this as a signal as they're out forever 02:47:28.840 --> 02:47:32.840 I take this as a signal as they're not bothering to dive in 02:47:32.840 --> 02:47:36.840 while it's just like money dumpster fire if I'm one of these big companies 02:47:36.840 --> 02:47:40.840 and I'm looking at this personally and I'm not touching it at all 02:47:40.840 --> 02:47:44.840 because what I'm seeing happen is progress is made 02:47:44.840 --> 02:47:48.840 and then progress is immediately open sourced afterwards and then progress is made 02:47:48.840 --> 02:47:52.840 and then it's immediately open sourced afterwards and it's like I don't feel like I'm losing ground 02:47:52.840 --> 02:47:56.840 in this at all 02:47:56.840 --> 02:48:00.840 the like dig up a data center thing sometimes it's better to just lease a car 02:48:00.840 --> 02:48:04.840 that someone else built than to design and build your own car from scratch 02:48:04.840 --> 02:48:08.840 I could completely see that perspective just jump in and do it later 02:48:08.840 --> 02:48:12.840 like they'll figure it out 02:48:12.840 --> 02:48:16.840 and it's Apple we're talking about there's a lot of things Apple does 02:48:16.840 --> 02:48:20.840 that I'm not aligned on but if there's anyone 02:48:20.840 --> 02:48:24.840 that could just Sherlock something later literally 02:48:24.840 --> 02:48:28.840 the term Sherlock is Apple doing this 02:48:28.840 --> 02:48:30.840 this is their entire history 02:48:32.840 --> 02:48:36.840 they went the silicon 02:48:36.840 --> 02:48:40.840 in the market is not good enough yeah 02:48:40.840 --> 02:48:44.840 perfect example who else could do that 02:48:44.840 --> 02:48:48.840 I'll wait ok ok ok 02:48:48.840 --> 02:48:52.840 Amazon does have silicon Google has silicon 02:48:52.840 --> 02:48:56.840 it's a good example it's a short list 02:48:56.840 --> 02:49:00.840 if Apple decided later that this is a very mature 02:49:00.840 --> 02:49:04.840 space now they have 02:49:04.840 --> 02:49:08.840 enough money to buy the earth and all the heavens they can build a team 02:49:08.840 --> 02:49:12.840 and they could make an AI product and they could cut ties 02:49:12.840 --> 02:49:16.840 and that is what gives Apple leverage in their negotiations 02:49:16.840 --> 02:49:20.840 that's why Apple is not going to be paying as much to 02:49:20.840 --> 02:49:24.840 a giant like Google or to open AI or to whoever they partner with 02:49:24.840 --> 02:49:28.840 because they are someone that can incredibly sit across the table from you and go 02:49:28.840 --> 02:49:32.840 to myself but honestly 02:49:32.840 --> 02:49:36.840 it totally makes sense to me that they are not building their own right now 02:49:38.840 --> 02:49:42.840 I mean look at freaking meta look how much money they are pouring into it 02:49:42.840 --> 02:49:46.840 what market share are they getting what contracts are they winning 02:49:46.840 --> 02:49:50.840 nothing what are they gaining 02:49:50.840 --> 02:49:54.840 just horrible slop on all of their platforms 02:49:54.840 --> 02:49:58.840 more engagement on their platforms more 02:49:58.840 --> 02:50:02.840 add I mean look okay here is a scary thought 02:50:02.840 --> 02:50:06.840 if meta can learn a lot about you 02:50:06.840 --> 02:50:10.840 by what real things you would engage with how much more can they learn about you 02:50:10.840 --> 02:50:14.840 by what sort of twisted contorted how much more granular 02:50:14.840 --> 02:50:18.840 can they get if they can create literally anything 02:50:18.840 --> 02:50:22.840 that can appeal like directly to you maybe as far as my 02:50:27.840 --> 02:50:31.840 uninformed person listening to some other 02:50:31.840 --> 02:50:35.840 nebulously informed people talk about things 02:50:35.840 --> 02:50:39.840 understanding goes a lot of the 02:50:39.840 --> 02:50:43.840 content generation stuff is not really making money 02:50:43.840 --> 02:50:47.840 right now there is a bunch of money in 02:50:47.840 --> 02:50:51.840 productivity stuff with LLMs and what not 02:50:51.840 --> 02:50:55.840 that is largely due to the forced shoe horning of these tools into things like 02:50:56.840 --> 02:51:00.840 Office 365 and Google Workspace and stuff like that 02:51:00.840 --> 02:51:04.840 but a lot of the like slop creation 02:51:04.840 --> 02:51:08.840 junk is not proving to at least currently be very 02:51:08.840 --> 02:51:12.840 profitable for these things and if you look at the ways that they are trying to monetize 02:51:12.840 --> 02:51:16.840 it is through like selling you products through chat 02:51:16.840 --> 02:51:20.840 not something to do with content creation of videos but 02:51:20.840 --> 02:51:24.840 yeah do you be looking at this one? 02:51:24.840 --> 02:51:27.840 no nothing important 02:51:29.840 --> 02:51:33.840 yeah I don't know I think this is super interesting 02:51:33.840 --> 02:51:37.840 I think it's I'm not too surprised 02:51:37.840 --> 02:51:41.840 but it's very interesting in regards to like the constant chess match 02:51:41.840 --> 02:51:45.840 that is AI projects and companies 02:51:45.840 --> 02:51:49.840 and Google and Apple in particular they compete so directly 02:51:49.840 --> 02:51:53.840 in some spaces and are so 02:51:53.840 --> 02:51:57.840 codependent in others I mean this was always interesting 02:51:57.840 --> 02:52:01.840 weird dynamic Samsung was doing the screens 02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:05.840 for iPhones for a long time or something they still do 02:52:05.840 --> 02:52:09.840 and they compete so these two business units will be 02:52:09.840 --> 02:52:13.840 bitter rivals and these two will be 02:52:13.840 --> 02:52:17.840 super tight partners that's business apparently 02:52:17.840 --> 02:52:19.840 yeah 02:52:21.840 --> 02:52:25.840 okay what do we got left? we've got 02:52:25.840 --> 02:52:29.840 it's an AI news story roundup we didn't just do that 02:52:29.840 --> 02:52:33.840 no I guess not in the latest Windows 11 insider preview build 02:52:33.840 --> 02:52:37.840 IT administrators on pro enterprise and education devices can 02:52:37.840 --> 02:52:41.840 uninstall the built in Microsoft co-pilot app but only if the device 02:52:41.840 --> 02:52:45.840 has both co-pilot and Microsoft 365 co-pilot installed 02:52:45.840 --> 02:52:49.840 the app wasn't user installed and it hasn't been launched in the 02:52:49.840 --> 02:52:53.840 past 28 days with the paid co-pilot service 02:52:53.840 --> 02:52:57.840 still remaining on the system so our take on this is almost 02:52:57.840 --> 02:53:01.840 soon what the heck 02:53:01.840 --> 02:53:05.840 what a weird what a weird list of requirements 02:53:05.840 --> 02:53:09.840 now with that said I thought I uninstalled the 02:53:09.840 --> 02:53:13.840 okay I have disconnected my co-pilot key 02:53:13.840 --> 02:53:17.840 so when I press it it says the co-pilot key isn't connected 02:53:17.840 --> 02:53:21.840 to an action choose what you'd like to happen and my options are 02:53:21.840 --> 02:53:25.840 search non-selected and custom 02:53:25.840 --> 02:53:29.840 so that's weird 02:53:29.840 --> 02:53:33.840 okay so this is a weird one for me because I thought I removed 02:53:33.840 --> 02:53:37.840 co-pilot from this PC yeah so when I click co-pilot 02:53:37.840 --> 02:53:41.840 in there it just brought up 02:53:41.840 --> 02:53:45.840 an edge browser it was loading the like get co-pilot page 02:53:45.840 --> 02:53:49.840 yeah so yeah that's weird I thought you 02:53:49.840 --> 02:53:53.840 could remove it how to remove programs let me see 02:53:55.840 --> 02:53:59.840 yeah have I misunderstood because I removed the co-pilot app from my computer 02:53:59.840 --> 02:54:03.840 I have no idea it's for sure not on my computer at home 02:54:03.840 --> 02:54:07.840 but this also didn't mention home 02:54:07.840 --> 02:54:11.840 pro enterprise and education so maybe it wasn't removable from those 02:54:11.840 --> 02:54:15.840 oh interesting send on FC and Floatplane chat 02:54:15.840 --> 02:54:19.840 says mine reappeared I uninstalled it two weeks ago 02:54:19.840 --> 02:54:23.840 just checked and it's back so I don't know anything about that 02:54:25.840 --> 02:54:29.840 yeah comma black said I don't have co-pilot 02:54:29.840 --> 02:54:33.840 on my Windows 11 pro never had I've never had it 02:54:33.840 --> 02:54:37.840 online really on 02:54:37.840 --> 02:54:41.840 I'm not this one oh okay I'm talking about my desktop yeah okay 02:54:41.840 --> 02:54:45.840 well you do you do you have to meet the requirements for it to 02:54:45.840 --> 02:54:49.840 automatically install co-pilot like do you have to have an NPU because your desktop I mean 02:54:49.840 --> 02:54:53.840 well it has your no it has a 40 series GPU so that would 02:54:53.840 --> 02:54:57.840 that probably has enough tops yeah so it looks like my laptop has it 02:54:57.840 --> 02:55:01.840 yeah it would be installed by default on your laptop anyway well make 02:55:01.840 --> 02:55:05.840 that whatever you will then I've had a co-pilot key and I literally never even 02:55:05.840 --> 02:55:09.840 noticed it don't know not once I did not know this was 02:55:09.840 --> 02:55:11.840 on my computer 02:55:13.840 --> 02:55:17.840 neat I just hit it accidentally every once in a while 02:55:17.840 --> 02:55:21.840 I use function left right for home 02:55:21.840 --> 02:55:25.840 and end a lot yeah and it's I use Windows and arrow keys all the time 02:55:25.840 --> 02:55:29.840 I've just never bumped it I guess you have a control key between your arrow keys and your co-pilot 02:55:29.840 --> 02:55:33.840 right oh you don't so I mash it a bunch when I when I go 02:55:33.840 --> 02:55:37.840 left arrow key and my arrow keys kind of dip down so they're easier to differentiate 02:55:37.840 --> 02:55:41.840 I prefer those yeah me too band camp announced 02:55:41.840 --> 02:55:45.840 in its keeping band camp human blog post that it is banning 02:55:45.840 --> 02:55:49.840 music and audio created wholly or substantially by generative 02:55:49.840 --> 02:55:53.840 AI and prohibiting AI tools that impersonate other audience other 02:55:53.840 --> 02:55:57.840 artists or styles on its platform to ensure fans can trust the music they find 02:55:57.840 --> 02:56:01.840 is human made cool I wish them luck with that I hope that it works it's 02:56:01.840 --> 02:56:05.840 going to be tough to enforce going to get harder at certain scales and stuff it 02:56:05.840 --> 02:56:09.840 will work and that's really cool and there should be platforms that you can go to and trust 02:56:09.840 --> 02:56:13.840 exactly getting a human experience and I think band camp is really well 02:56:13.840 --> 02:56:17.840 positioned to be one of those platforms meanwhile a senior police 02:56:17.840 --> 02:56:21.840 official in West Midlands UK has confirmed that an intelligence 02:56:21.840 --> 02:56:25.840 report generated with the help of Microsoft co-pilot falsely 02:56:25.840 --> 02:56:29.840 invented a football match between West Ham and Maccabi 02:56:29.840 --> 02:56:33.840 Tel Aviv and that this AI error was used without verification 02:56:33.840 --> 02:56:37.840 to justify banning Maccabi fans from a Europa League 02:56:37.840 --> 02:56:41.840 game highlighting serious reliability issues with AI and critical 02:56:41.840 --> 02:56:45.840 decision making and especially 02:56:45.840 --> 02:56:49.840 people not verifying its output yeah oh yeah 02:56:49.840 --> 02:56:53.840 in other news multiple police departments 02:56:53.840 --> 02:56:57.840 accidentally leaked millions of surveillance records 02:56:57.840 --> 02:57:01.840 by failing to redact license plates in public records releases of 02:57:01.840 --> 02:57:05.840 flock audit logs exposing 2.3 million license 02:57:05.840 --> 02:57:09.840 plates and tens of millions of searches revealing who 02:57:09.840 --> 02:57:11.840 police are surveilling and why 02:57:13.840 --> 02:57:17.840 the leak exposes man flock just cannot catch a break lately 02:57:17.840 --> 02:57:21.840 and it couldn't happen to a nicer company the leak exposes a fundamental 02:57:21.840 --> 02:57:25.840 flaw in flocks design because searches query up to 02:57:25.840 --> 02:57:29.840 80,000 cameras nationwide in the US 02:57:29.840 --> 02:57:33.840 single departments redaction failure can expose sensitive 02:57:33.840 --> 02:57:37.840 investigations from thousands of other departments 02:57:37.840 --> 02:57:41.840 across the country that's so sick 02:57:41.840 --> 02:57:45.840 whoa flocks response 02:57:45.840 --> 02:57:49.840 was to attack transparency rather than fix the problem 02:57:49.840 --> 02:57:53.840 instead of auto redacting exports they removed 02:57:53.840 --> 02:57:57.840 officer names and plate data from the audit logs entirely and threatened 02:57:57.840 --> 02:58:01.840 the creator of have i been flocked.com with bogus ip 02:58:01.840 --> 02:58:05.840 takedown requests which cloud flare 02:58:05.840 --> 02:58:09.840 based rejected as having insufficient evidence 02:58:09.840 --> 02:58:13.840 of a violation amazing 02:58:13.840 --> 02:58:17.840 love it flock CEO Garrett Langley framed 02:58:17.840 --> 02:58:21.840 public records requests as a coordinated attack by activists wanting to defund 02:58:21.840 --> 02:58:25.840 the police little dated on that reference 02:58:25.840 --> 02:58:29.840 Virginia's police chief rejected this calling concerned citizens 02:58:29.840 --> 02:58:33.840 democracy in action and the city canceled its flock contract 02:58:33.840 --> 02:58:37.840 days later our discussion question is 02:58:37.840 --> 02:58:41.840 is the have i been flocked website putting people in danger 02:58:41.840 --> 02:58:45.840 that always is the conversation around this whole like 02:58:45.840 --> 02:58:49.840 exposing data leaks security through obscurity is not a thing 02:58:49.840 --> 02:58:53.840 somebody has access to this by exposing it 02:58:53.840 --> 02:58:57.840 yes we're driving more eyeballs to it and that can have negative 02:58:57.840 --> 02:59:01.840 unintended consequences but also in the longer term 02:59:01.840 --> 02:59:05.840 we need security to be taken seriously and this is the only way 02:59:05.840 --> 02:59:09.840 to get anyone's attention look at flocked 02:59:09.840 --> 02:59:13.840 have i been flocked here is the incorrect move after flocked specifically 02:59:13.840 --> 02:59:17.840 they were clearly not going to fix anything they don't want to fix anything 02:59:17.840 --> 02:59:21.840 it costs money to fix things yeah 02:59:23.840 --> 02:59:25.840 yeah 02:59:29.840 --> 02:59:33.840 hey welcome back morning sunshine 02:59:35.840 --> 02:59:39.840 how's it going next topic 02:59:39.840 --> 02:59:43.840 next topic speaking of next topic 02:59:43.840 --> 02:59:47.840 the state we're in new york state takes steps to ban 3d printed guns 02:59:47.840 --> 02:59:51.840 there's a proposal that requires 3d printer manufacturers 02:59:51.840 --> 02:59:55.840 to prevent weapon printing that won't work 02:59:55.840 --> 02:59:59.840 governor kathy hey you spoiled the ending luke 02:59:59.840 --> 03:00:03.840 we were going to have a whole conversation governor kathy ochule 03:00:03.840 --> 03:00:07.840 unveiled proposed legislation requiring 3d printer solar 03:00:07.840 --> 03:00:11.840 used in new york to include safeguards that prevent printing guns or gun parts 03:00:11.840 --> 03:00:15.840 aiming to curb un serialized ghost guns 03:00:15.840 --> 03:00:19.840 the bill would criminalize possessing or sharing gun printing 03:00:19.840 --> 03:00:23.840 using CAD files without authorization require police to 03:00:23.840 --> 03:00:27.840 log recovered 3d printed firearms in a statewide database 03:00:27.840 --> 03:00:31.840 sure and push manufacturers to redesign pistols 03:00:31.840 --> 03:00:35.840 to resist illegal automatic fire conversions 03:00:35.840 --> 03:00:39.840 cool researchers warn online communities 03:00:39.840 --> 03:00:43.840 and step-by-step guides are lowering barriers to DIY weapons 03:00:43.840 --> 03:00:47.840 while critics say targeting manufacturers won't meaningfully reduce violence 03:00:47.840 --> 03:00:51.840 amid lawsuits over conversion devices 03:00:51.840 --> 03:00:53.840 pistol redesigns to prevent illegal modifications 03:00:55.840 --> 03:00:59.840 so yeah here's the issue 03:00:59.840 --> 03:01:03.840 and this is something that I think we can speak to with 03:01:03.840 --> 03:01:07.840 a fair bit of authority being in Canada there's a lot of firearms 03:01:07.840 --> 03:01:11.840 that are banned in Canada and it makes exactly this much 03:01:11.840 --> 03:01:15.840 difference because our neighbor the US&A does not 03:01:15.840 --> 03:01:19.840 have bans on said weapons and getting them over the border 03:01:19.840 --> 03:01:23.840 for narrative wells is pretty easy and the ban only really 03:01:23.840 --> 03:01:27.840 impacts one of the biggest people who played by the rules 03:01:27.840 --> 03:01:31.840 recent bans of Canadian firearms was spurred 03:01:31.840 --> 03:01:35.840 because of a shooting event but if I remember correctly this was the one 03:01:35.840 --> 03:01:39.840 that banned pistols sold in Canada but all of the guns 03:01:39.840 --> 03:01:43.840 used in the shooting were smuggled in from the states so it literally had 03:01:43.840 --> 03:01:47.840 nothing to do and I'm not trying to go on any political line here literally at all 03:01:47.840 --> 03:01:51.840 it's just what? 03:01:51.840 --> 03:01:55.840 this actually was literally completely unrelated we had 2 plus 2 and we went 03:01:55.840 --> 03:01:59.840 3 yeah 03:01:59.840 --> 03:02:03.840 so it's really not going to make a difference okay so you ban it in New York 03:02:03.840 --> 03:02:07.840 what if someone drives over the state border with a 3D printer 03:02:07.840 --> 03:02:11.840 the really funny part is like I was 03:02:11.840 --> 03:02:15.840 a grown adult by the time I realized that 03:02:15.840 --> 03:02:19.840 America has like 2 states 03:02:19.840 --> 03:02:23.840 that are like some ridiculous percentage of its overall 03:02:23.840 --> 03:02:27.840 land mass and the world was a lot smaller 03:02:27.840 --> 03:02:31.840 back in the 1800s so there's like 03:02:31.840 --> 03:02:35.840 all these states 03:02:35.840 --> 03:02:39.840 where we went around with horses and we walked from one state to the next 03:02:39.840 --> 03:02:43.840 and then you go like west and it's like California 03:02:43.840 --> 03:02:47.840 Texas is big Texas, big old Arizona 03:02:47.840 --> 03:02:51.840 state you know we got all these big states over here and so 03:02:51.840 --> 03:02:55.840 the idea of a geographical 03:02:55.840 --> 03:02:59.840 banning having an impact 03:02:59.840 --> 03:03:03.840 in a state the size of New York 03:03:03.840 --> 03:03:07.840 where you could like walk there from 03:03:07.840 --> 03:03:11.840 you know I don't know what Pennsylvania 03:03:11.840 --> 03:03:13.840 Rhode Island, Connecticut 03:03:15.840 --> 03:03:19.840 what are you even talking about I'm going to ban 03:03:19.840 --> 03:03:23.840 3D printers from making guns in New York 03:03:23.840 --> 03:03:27.840 it's not like there's a border also like good luck dude 03:03:27.840 --> 03:03:31.840 you're not doing checking people's bags 03:03:31.840 --> 03:03:35.840 it's not a concert you're not walking through a metal detector 03:03:35.840 --> 03:03:39.840 like what even like if you reduce it down 03:03:39.840 --> 03:03:43.840 to individual parts like what you're printing a frame 03:03:43.840 --> 03:03:47.840 and then a tube and then whatever else 03:03:47.840 --> 03:03:51.840 like how are you going to actually define that these are gun parts and then if you do 03:03:51.840 --> 03:03:55.840 that successfully people will just make them look weird 03:03:55.840 --> 03:03:59.840 and then just trim them down to being normal or just leave them looking weird because 03:03:59.840 --> 03:04:03.840 they don't care like it's it's not going to function 03:04:03.840 --> 03:04:07.840 but I mean good luck 03:04:07.840 --> 03:04:09.840 yeah 03:04:13.840 --> 03:04:17.840 and to be clear yes it's far 03:04:17.840 --> 03:04:21.840 someone's like walk from Rhode Island to Pennsylvania and I'll buy everything on LTTstore.com 03:04:21.840 --> 03:04:25.840 yes that is very far but in the grand scheme of things 03:04:25.840 --> 03:04:29.840 it is not very far to transport a 3D printer 03:04:29.840 --> 03:04:33.840 if you really needed to especially when there is no 03:04:33.840 --> 03:04:37.840 security apparatus whatsoever that would prevent you from doing it 03:04:37.840 --> 03:04:39.840 yeah 03:04:43.840 --> 03:04:47.840 DarkGuy2 says I think this is less about preventing people from making them 03:04:47.840 --> 03:04:51.840 but when the cops find them they can charge them and like sure 03:04:53.840 --> 03:04:57.840 I just can't see any reason 03:04:57.840 --> 03:05:01.840 why the narrow-dwells wouldn't just set up shop 03:05:01.840 --> 03:05:05.840 in New Jersey or Massachusetts or Vermont 03:05:05.840 --> 03:05:09.840 New Hampshire or Maine or West Virginia or Ohio or Kentucky 03:05:09.840 --> 03:05:13.840 and then just drive a couple hours into New York this talk book was also talking 03:05:13.840 --> 03:05:17.840 about modifying pre-existing sold 03:05:17.840 --> 03:05:21.840 firearms namely pistols to shoot 03:05:21.840 --> 03:05:25.840 they're saying automatic fire conversions 03:05:25.840 --> 03:05:29.840 I think they mean no longer being semi-auto 03:05:29.840 --> 03:05:33.840 generally referred to as adding a switch to a clock so you can just hold 03:05:33.840 --> 03:05:37.840 and it just fires your whole mag that's a whole other 03:05:37.840 --> 03:05:41.840 conversation and if you're doing that 03:05:41.840 --> 03:05:45.840 I don't think you care just say 03:05:45.840 --> 03:05:49.840 you're already breaking so many laws at that point like what's 03:05:49.840 --> 03:05:53.840 breaking a 3D printing law on top of it just throw it in there who cares 03:05:53.840 --> 03:05:57.840 um yeah 03:05:57.840 --> 03:06:01.840 I don't know dude laws 03:06:01.840 --> 03:06:05.840 that impact criminals and 03:06:05.840 --> 03:06:09.840 law abiding citizens and do not 03:06:09.840 --> 03:06:13.840 impact criminals are not my favorite 03:06:13.840 --> 03:06:17.840 I do understand you have to draw the line somewhere 03:06:17.840 --> 03:06:21.840 yes like RPGs should probably not just be legal for civilians 03:06:21.840 --> 03:06:25.840 just buy and open carry like there's gotta be 03:06:25.840 --> 03:06:29.840 well you laugh right but like there's 03:06:29.840 --> 03:06:33.840 my brain for some reason just thought of an RPG holster just like 03:06:33.840 --> 03:06:37.840 that's a huge thing just in the lab says like a catapult 03:06:37.840 --> 03:06:41.840 like you probably shouldn't have a catapult strapped to the back of your coffin 03:06:41.840 --> 03:06:45.840 oh but yeah that's the you know like a balista 03:06:45.840 --> 03:06:49.840 just on the top of your Mustang like with a hole in the roof 03:06:49.840 --> 03:06:53.840 you can like there's it would look sick 03:06:53.840 --> 03:06:57.840 there's gotta be you know there's gotta be a line 03:06:57.840 --> 03:07:01.840 somewhere um 03:07:01.840 --> 03:07:05.840 I want to take who are you D brand 03:07:07.840 --> 03:07:11.840 but yeah I one of my things is like if you look 03:07:11.840 --> 03:07:15.840 back at when firearms first got introduced like 03:07:15.840 --> 03:07:19.840 if you go to very basic levels they're very primitive at this point 03:07:19.840 --> 03:07:23.840 oh like only firearms the thing used 03:07:23.840 --> 03:07:27.840 for the whole Shinzo Abe situation oh yeah 03:07:27.840 --> 03:07:31.840 was tubes and a plank of wood yeah 03:07:31.840 --> 03:07:35.840 guys where there's a will there's a way 03:07:35.840 --> 03:07:39.840 they'll figure it out people have made firearms in prison 03:07:39.840 --> 03:07:43.840 before yeah that's pretty impressive actually 03:07:43.840 --> 03:07:47.840 yeah just stuff 03:07:47.840 --> 03:07:51.840 they're like very actually quite interesting but 03:07:51.840 --> 03:07:53.840 um 03:07:57.840 --> 03:08:01.840 oh wow just like yeah just made of stuff 03:08:01.840 --> 03:08:05.840 they even kind of look like guns yeah they do 03:08:05.840 --> 03:08:09.840 huh 15 deadly improvised prison weapons and tools 03:08:09.840 --> 03:08:13.840 yeah how about that 03:08:13.840 --> 03:08:17.840 turns out it's a tube and a pokey thing 03:08:17.840 --> 03:08:21.840 yeah that's all you really need and like you can make them way nicer 03:08:21.840 --> 03:08:25.840 and more advanced obviously but like if people want to make this they're gonna figure it out 03:08:25.840 --> 03:08:29.840 people can already make the 3d printing gun community is like 03:08:29.840 --> 03:08:33.840 insane the files are out there 03:08:33.840 --> 03:08:37.840 if you if you ban them okay people already have them 03:08:37.840 --> 03:08:41.840 it's just like the open source AI stuff like it's already out there 03:08:41.840 --> 03:08:45.840 you can stop AI from being a thing now you can try to regulate whatever way you want 03:08:45.840 --> 03:08:49.840 but it's already out there the 3d printing files for these things 03:08:49.840 --> 03:08:53.840 are already out there people can get a huge amount of 3d printers 03:08:53.840 --> 03:08:57.840 that are highly repairable that are before this anyways 03:08:57.840 --> 03:09:01.840 people can drive them into your state like this will do nothing 03:09:01.840 --> 03:09:05.840 I'm not I'm not necessarily you know jumping on a political line 03:09:05.840 --> 03:09:09.840 but it's just not going to be effective and again if it's if it's to throw 03:09:09.840 --> 03:09:13.840 people I think once you're going that far down the line 03:09:13.840 --> 03:09:17.840 it just makes no real impact but I also think that's our last topic 03:09:17.840 --> 03:09:21.840 well until after dark yeah Mr. Daniel Bess 03:09:21.840 --> 03:09:25.840 are you got any curated merch messages for us? I do I have a few here let's go to 03:09:25.840 --> 03:09:29.840 after dark I guess I better move 03:09:29.840 --> 03:09:33.840 okay we have our slug for now alright hey Duke 03:09:33.840 --> 03:09:37.840 Linus and Dan I managed to snag an aorist master 03:09:37.840 --> 03:09:41.840 $290 on Marketplace for $750 Canadian 03:09:41.840 --> 03:09:45.840 just wondering the guy I bought it from 03:09:45.840 --> 03:09:49.840 repasted it twice gaming it runs at about 80 03:09:49.840 --> 03:09:53.840 and the hotspot is 104C oh that 03:09:53.840 --> 03:09:57.840 I would probably rip that open and put some 03:09:57.840 --> 03:10:01.840 better paste on it or a better application 03:10:01.840 --> 03:10:05.840 maybe the cooler isn't tightened down enough that does not that sounds 03:10:05.840 --> 03:10:07.840 too hot on the hotspot 03:10:09.840 --> 03:10:13.840 I hate to be that guy but I strongly 03:10:13.840 --> 03:10:17.840 recommend PTM7950 phase change paste from 03:10:17.840 --> 03:10:21.840 LTTStore for this particular application it's not necessarily the best 03:10:21.840 --> 03:10:25.840 paste for everything but for a direct dye application it's a really 03:10:25.840 --> 03:10:29.840 really good option I would pick up some PTM7950 03:10:29.840 --> 03:10:33.840 question for Luke what are your thoughts 03:10:33.840 --> 03:10:37.840 on the guy that redesigned the Floatplane application called float native 03:10:37.840 --> 03:10:41.840 to offer more functions on iOS 03:10:41.840 --> 03:10:45.840 have you tried it? it's cool I have not actually 03:10:45.840 --> 03:10:49.840 there's a few yeah 03:10:49.840 --> 03:10:53.840 I think projects like that are cool we've worked with some people for projects like that 03:10:53.840 --> 03:10:57.840 we've tried to have our API stuff be pretty open and 03:10:57.840 --> 03:11:01.840 you know willing to be used for things like that 03:11:01.840 --> 03:11:05.840 which is great because we've been struggling on the 03:11:05.840 --> 03:11:09.840 app side of things especially for TVs so some people have stepped up 03:11:09.840 --> 03:11:13.840 and done things like that people are literally calling it out right now 03:11:13.840 --> 03:11:17.840 like Hydrovion is one of them I'm sure I pronounced it wrong sorry 03:11:19.840 --> 03:11:23.840 but yeah eventually we'll ideally fix those things and we'll have our own 03:11:23.840 --> 03:11:27.840 TV apps and all that jazz but in the meantime yeah check it out if you want 03:11:27.840 --> 03:11:31.840 great cool I know someone on my team has tried it 03:11:31.840 --> 03:11:35.840 but I haven't personally yet 03:11:35.840 --> 03:11:39.840 another one here for Luke I have 10 years experience 03:11:39.840 --> 03:11:43.840 I have 10 years of developer experience mostly as a generalist 03:11:43.840 --> 03:11:47.840 and I'm now focusing on front end what criteria do you use 03:11:47.840 --> 03:11:51.840 to determine to decide whether someone is ready for a 03:11:51.840 --> 03:11:55.840 senior front end role senior often means 03:11:55.840 --> 03:11:59.840 that you can lead to others it doesn't 03:11:59.840 --> 03:12:03.840 necessarily mean that you're a manager but it generally means that you can 03:12:03.840 --> 03:12:07.840 mentor or guide or at least help judge 03:12:07.840 --> 03:12:11.840 heavily so like if you're doing code reviews you can kind of run them 03:12:11.840 --> 03:12:15.840 you can help create tasks for those people 03:12:15.840 --> 03:12:19.840 and to be clear this is like very much Luke's perspective I'm sure a lot of organizations 03:12:19.840 --> 03:12:23.840 have senior developers that are just like really friggin 03:12:23.840 --> 03:12:27.840 good developers that make more money than developers especially when we go for 03:12:27.840 --> 03:12:31.840 my perspective a really big one for seniors for me is the ability to take a project 03:12:31.840 --> 03:12:35.840 with very little guidance and just run and finish it well 03:12:35.840 --> 03:12:39.840 yeah that might not mean the same thing in a different context 03:12:39.840 --> 03:12:43.840 and yeah Genesis 89 25 and chat says senior is so 03:12:43.840 --> 03:12:47.840 ambiguous in the industry so so is literally so I 03:12:47.840 --> 03:12:51.840 completely agree with you and would say the same thing what I'm gonna also throw in there is so is 03:12:51.840 --> 03:12:55.840 literally everything else yeah the fact that like 03:12:55.840 --> 03:12:59.840 apparently it's a big issue hiring software developers in Canada 03:12:59.840 --> 03:13:03.840 because we're not allowed to use the term engineer to describe them and a lot of 03:13:03.840 --> 03:13:07.840 American software developers consider themselves software 03:13:07.840 --> 03:13:11.840 engineers but engineer is a protected term in Canada 03:13:11.840 --> 03:13:15.840 that you have to have specific credential for 03:13:15.840 --> 03:13:19.840 and so you can be doing engineering work 03:13:19.840 --> 03:13:23.840 but you're not like you can't call yourself an engineer here 03:13:23.840 --> 03:13:27.840 it might be specific to BC even I don't even know if it's Canada 03:13:27.840 --> 03:13:31.840 wide but it can be like an obstacle to hiring people because they don't want the 03:13:31.840 --> 03:13:35.840 Poo stain on their resume of coder 03:13:35.840 --> 03:13:39.840 developer they want to be called software engineer 03:13:39.840 --> 03:13:43.840 because that's what it would be called anywhere else Conrad that's not 03:13:43.840 --> 03:13:47.840 how that works you said you can put 03:13:47.840 --> 03:13:51.840 any title in your resume and nobody can question it they can absolutely question it 03:13:51.840 --> 03:13:55.840 that's what references are for 03:13:55.840 --> 03:13:59.840 I was wondering why Conrad still works here 03:13:59.840 --> 03:14:03.840 maybe that's why yeah that might be it for sure 03:14:03.840 --> 03:14:07.840 director of when show live chat is what's going on my resume 03:14:07.840 --> 03:14:11.840 I like it yeah it occurred to me there are a lot of staff in the chat today and it's totally 03:14:11.840 --> 03:14:13.840 inside work hours today you guys 03:14:15.840 --> 03:14:19.840 this does not work for anyone like Dan 03:14:19.840 --> 03:14:23.840 there's been a few people in chat that have said that their work defines it in 03:14:23.840 --> 03:14:27.840 a similar or same way that I did but that is genuinely 03:14:27.840 --> 03:14:31.840 not universal there's a few entire 03:14:31.840 --> 03:14:35.840 titles like not even just the senior portion but entire titles that like even if 03:14:35.840 --> 03:14:39.840 you look up what the definition is a lot of sites will be like 03:14:39.840 --> 03:14:43.840 every company just sort of decides it's like what 03:14:43.840 --> 03:14:47.840 okay yeah 03:14:47.840 --> 03:14:51.840 I'm not sure if you talked about this too much but what was your biggest let down at CES 03:14:53.840 --> 03:14:57.840 maybe it's just because I have been so excited 03:14:57.840 --> 03:15:01.840 about their winning streak over the last little while but it was AMD for me 03:15:01.840 --> 03:15:05.840 I not because they're like a bad company who makes bad products or anything 03:15:05.840 --> 03:15:09.840 they just I just wanted I wanted something 03:15:09.840 --> 03:15:13.840 to be excited about and rebranded mobile 03:15:13.840 --> 03:15:17.840 CPUs where they incrementaled the model number 03:15:17.840 --> 03:15:21.840 but didn't actually change the underlying architecture 03:15:21.840 --> 03:15:25.840 again making their lineup super confusing for consumers 03:15:25.840 --> 03:15:29.840 even more and just 03:15:29.840 --> 03:15:33.840 shoving features I don't care about down my throat 03:15:33.840 --> 03:15:37.840 it was just such a I would have just 03:15:37.840 --> 03:15:39.840 I 03:15:41.840 --> 03:15:45.840 would just rather they did nothing like I 03:15:45.840 --> 03:15:49.840 if they just showed off some really cool new partner devices and like 03:15:49.840 --> 03:15:53.840 new designs around their existing chips like I just 03:15:53.840 --> 03:15:57.840 I just didn't really see the point with that said I haven't seen benchmark 03:15:57.840 --> 03:16:01.840 results for the 58 50 X3D or whatever it's called 03:16:01.840 --> 03:16:05.840 the new one the the 8 core that does up to 5.6 gigahertz 03:16:05.840 --> 03:16:09.840 maybe it'll totally change my mind another 400 mega 03:16:09.840 --> 03:16:13.840 hertz on that chip I had the new 03:16:13.840 --> 03:16:17.840 Strix Halo the new Strix Halo SKUs with the big GPU 03:16:17.840 --> 03:16:21.840 but smaller CPU those I was actually was the one thing 03:16:21.840 --> 03:16:25.840 that in the video I was excited about and now I'm back to being disappointed because 03:16:25.840 --> 03:16:29.840 I've talked to a couple of AMD partners now and they're like yeah these chips don't exist 03:16:29.840 --> 03:16:33.840 like functionally speaking because 03:16:33.840 --> 03:16:37.840 they use I forget how many 03:16:37.840 --> 03:16:41.840 how many bits wide the memory interfaces they need a lot of memory chips 03:16:41.840 --> 03:16:45.840 regardless of how much memory capacity is built into them 03:16:45.840 --> 03:16:49.840 and they are like big 03:16:49.840 --> 03:16:53.840 fat dies their power hungry they there's like a bunch of 03:16:53.840 --> 03:16:57.840 things about them that make them not a focus for 03:16:57.840 --> 03:17:01.840 AMD and so the allocation of these is just 03:17:01.840 --> 03:17:05.840 like functionally nothing so 03:17:05.840 --> 03:17:09.840 yeah so it's cool there seem like super cool chips but they're expensive and 03:17:09.840 --> 03:17:13.840 even if you can afford them it's gonna be hard to get your hands on 03:17:13.840 --> 03:17:17.840 enough of them for partners to meaningfully create cool designs 03:17:17.840 --> 03:17:21.840 around them of next 03:17:21.840 --> 03:17:25.840 if you had to do the remote PC cable run again 03:17:25.840 --> 03:17:29.840 wait oh sorry sorry for now for now maybe that'll change I hope it 03:17:29.840 --> 03:17:33.840 changes okay go ahead if you had to do the 03:17:33.840 --> 03:17:37.840 remote PC cable run again how would you do it I want to put my 03:17:37.840 --> 03:17:41.840 PC in a far closet but stuck on a good way to get 03:17:41.840 --> 03:17:45.840 USB with low latency optical Thunderbolt is still the 03:17:45.840 --> 03:17:49.840 most accessible way to do it it's really expensive but it costs a fraction of what 03:17:49.840 --> 03:17:53.840 it is to do it with that iKron USB 03:17:53.840 --> 03:17:57.840 dock that is by far the most reliable performant way that I've found to do 03:17:57.840 --> 03:18:01.840 remote USB over fiber but that dock is like 03:18:01.840 --> 03:18:05.840 four thousand dollars for two pieces or something like that combined 03:18:05.840 --> 03:18:09.840 iKron you said yeah iKron ICRO and it's because they use 03:18:09.840 --> 03:18:13.840 FPGAs oh wow they don't have the volume to do 03:18:13.840 --> 03:18:15.840 an ASIC 03:18:17.840 --> 03:18:21.840 yeah this is probably them okay yeah 03:18:23.840 --> 03:18:27.840 they're based in Burnaby interesting yeah there's like there's a weird little 03:18:27.840 --> 03:18:31.840 tech hub in Burnaby like Kronos the high-speed camera guys are there 03:18:31.840 --> 03:18:35.840 D-Wave is there yeah I knew about D-Wave 03:18:35.840 --> 03:18:39.840 yeah so I guess they're just like hyper business focused which makes 03:18:39.840 --> 03:18:43.840 sense once you start getting into that pricing yep so it's for like factory 03:18:43.840 --> 03:18:47.840 automations and stuff yeah if you need a bullet proof 03:18:47.840 --> 03:18:51.840 long distance fiber optic USB thing for like 03:18:51.840 --> 03:18:55.840 computer vision on your on your assembly line or something 03:18:55.840 --> 03:18:57.840 like that you use this 03:19:01.840 --> 03:19:05.840 interesting also Belltrick says optical 03:19:05.840 --> 03:19:09.840 USB-C to a USB dock can also work well that's a really good point 03:19:09.840 --> 03:19:13.840 you'll have to find a dock and cable combo that cooperates 03:19:13.840 --> 03:19:17.840 well with each other I have found that optical USB can 03:19:17.840 --> 03:19:21.840 be a little bit of a challenging be a little bit of a challenge but if you find 03:19:21.840 --> 03:19:25.840 that works it's a that's a great solution as well it's a good point 03:19:25.840 --> 03:19:29.840 Linus did you ever purchase your 5090 or 5080 03:19:29.840 --> 03:19:33.840 and if so which model did you go with video soon I can't decide between a 5080 03:19:33.840 --> 03:19:37.840 Winforce or Gaming OC or a 5090 03:19:37.840 --> 03:19:41.840 Ventus all at MSRP well good news 03:19:41.840 --> 03:19:45.840 you won't have to decide between a 5090 and MSRP because that ain't happening 03:19:45.840 --> 03:19:49.840 as for whether I did buy one yes I did eventually buy 03:19:49.840 --> 03:19:53.840 a Gigabyte one because not because I was particularly interested 03:19:53.840 --> 03:19:57.840 in that model but because that was the one that came in stock with 03:19:57.840 --> 03:20:01.840 Nick Ploof's pre-order so that whole 03:20:01.840 --> 03:20:05.840 I often see comments that are like this is fake 03:20:05.840 --> 03:20:09.840 like they're just saying this for content like that whole thing 03:20:09.840 --> 03:20:13.840 where he and I were like evaluating 5090s and he was gonna buy one 03:20:13.840 --> 03:20:17.840 and then he ultimately decided not to and then I was like well I'll buy you a 5090 03:20:17.840 --> 03:20:21.840 if you don't take it it's all real if we don't fake stuff 03:20:23.840 --> 03:20:27.840 like can you imagine like being on the internet for 17 years 03:20:27.840 --> 03:20:31.840 or however long I've been doing this how quickly my web of lies would 03:20:31.840 --> 03:20:35.840 become tangled if I wasn't just 03:20:35.840 --> 03:20:39.840 telling you guys what's happening like 03:20:39.840 --> 03:20:43.840 so yes I did buy one however I have not 03:20:43.840 --> 03:20:47.840 installed it it's still sitting in the box 03:20:47.840 --> 03:20:51.840 the good news is that that turned out to be a great investment 03:20:51.840 --> 03:20:55.840 oh yeah that's strange I know right? 03:20:55.840 --> 03:20:59.840 that's weird but I haven't gotten around to upgrading my PC 03:20:59.840 --> 03:21:03.840 so I and I have that 03:21:03.840 --> 03:21:07.840 Falcon sent over that frag box for Whalen that 03:21:07.840 --> 03:21:11.840 after Whalen I was like this is really cool I should take this home and use it in the theater room 03:21:11.840 --> 03:21:15.840 because I don't have a PC in there while I wait to do a theater room build 03:21:15.840 --> 03:21:19.840 and I still want to do a theater room build because even though the frag box is really quiet 03:21:19.840 --> 03:21:23.840 for a PC it's not as quiet as I would want it to be 03:21:23.840 --> 03:21:27.840 like I would want to take one of those racks and turn the whole thing into radiator 03:21:27.840 --> 03:21:31.840 and then have like the shelf under it be the PC parts or something like that 03:21:31.840 --> 03:21:35.840 so like I have ideas for what I want to do for like a really silent PC in there 03:21:37.840 --> 03:21:41.840 but if I want to like I was playing Claire Obscure in the theater the other night 03:21:41.840 --> 03:21:45.840 97% of my gaming time for that game 03:21:45.840 --> 03:21:49.840 on the the GP win 5 just because it's so convenient 03:21:49.840 --> 03:21:53.840 it's just a tentel right? it's wherever I am 03:21:53.840 --> 03:21:57.840 but man on the 5090 03:21:57.840 --> 03:22:01.840 on that giant screen that 3% of the game that I played there it was glorious 03:22:01.840 --> 03:22:05.840 it was incredible yeah I'm gonna finish the game soon 03:22:05.840 --> 03:22:09.840 the only reason I haven't finished it is my wife got mad at me 03:22:09.840 --> 03:22:13.840 for neglecting her after I came back from CES and playing Claire Obscure for the next two days 03:22:13.840 --> 03:22:17.840 so I'm on act 3 and I will hopefully 03:22:17.840 --> 03:22:21.840 finish it pretty quick really enjoying it still 03:22:23.840 --> 03:22:27.840 couple more for you I have managed to return to playing video games today 03:22:27.840 --> 03:22:31.840 AC Odyssey DLC how do you 03:22:31.840 --> 03:22:35.840 make yourself get back to something that you enjoy but your head really 03:22:35.840 --> 03:22:39.840 lets you make time for them that's a weird thing to call my wife 03:22:41.840 --> 03:22:45.840 I'm kidding Yvonne actually generally does not give me 03:22:45.840 --> 03:22:47.840 a hard 03:22:49.840 --> 03:22:52.840 time he can't hit me he's too far away 03:22:53.840 --> 03:22:57.840 I threw something hard enough I'm so sorry 03:22:59.840 --> 03:23:03.840 Yvonne generally doesn't give me a hard time about gaming 03:23:03.840 --> 03:23:07.840 it was only because I was gone for a week and I kind of ignored her 03:23:07.840 --> 03:23:11.840 for a full evening and then part of another one 03:23:13.840 --> 03:23:17.840 come on fair enough I got you 03:23:17.840 --> 03:23:21.840 and if I hadn't gone to play badminton on the Saturday as well 03:23:21.840 --> 03:23:25.840 then I probably would have escaped unscathed but I was 03:23:25.840 --> 03:23:29.840 I had an inconsiderate couple of days and so I've been off my game 03:23:29.840 --> 03:23:33.840 for about a week now but I'll get back to it 03:23:33.840 --> 03:23:37.840 anyway sorry how do you get yourself to get back to something that you enjoy 03:23:37.840 --> 03:23:41.840 but you have to schedule it for me the answer is scheduling 03:23:41.840 --> 03:23:45.840 I was just going to say it goes in my google calendar and then the other big one 03:23:45.840 --> 03:23:49.840 is doing it with people 03:23:49.840 --> 03:23:53.840 for instance badminton as much as I love it 03:23:53.840 --> 03:23:57.840 it is still exercise it's still hard to peel yourself off the couch to go 03:23:57.840 --> 03:24:01.840 and so I sign up for a ladder my first day ladder if I don't show up 03:24:01.840 --> 03:24:05.840 and I'm the only one three people are left without someone in their group 03:24:05.840 --> 03:24:09.840 so either the staff at smash champs has to run around and try and find someone to join the ladder 03:24:09.840 --> 03:24:13.840 last minute or three people don't get to play 03:24:13.840 --> 03:24:17.840 neither of those outcomes are something that I want to happen 03:24:17.840 --> 03:24:21.840 so I get off my butt, I get dressed and I go to smash 03:24:21.840 --> 03:24:25.840 this I've been doing alone because you know Jim Buddies 03:24:25.840 --> 03:24:29.840 come and go and I currently don't have any wow Dan called out 03:24:29.840 --> 03:24:33.840 it's been a long time since I know 03:24:33.840 --> 03:24:37.840 still called out I've had other Jim Buddies come and go 03:24:37.840 --> 03:24:41.840 wow and burned called out and burned 03:24:41.840 --> 03:24:45.840 you were never that important to him I had fun working on it Dan 03:24:45.840 --> 03:24:49.840 but it's been a long time since I've been consistently going to the gym 03:24:49.840 --> 03:24:53.840 because of insane amounts of travel 03:24:53.840 --> 03:24:57.840 getting sick and the mold remediation stuff at my place 03:24:57.840 --> 03:25:01.840 and just like I've had just genuinely no time 03:25:01.840 --> 03:25:05.840 but I have to go back and we'll be going back 03:25:05.840 --> 03:25:09.840 and for me it's been calendar events so I have it like scheduled 03:25:09.840 --> 03:25:13.840 where I'm like okay I know the first ones are going to kind of suck 03:25:13.840 --> 03:25:17.840 so I'm going to ease into it a little bit you should join Tuesday baddie, make Harris comes 03:25:17.840 --> 03:25:21.840 yeah I probably should you should join Tuesday baddie, it's good 03:25:21.840 --> 03:25:25.840 and then if you if something's hurting on the quarter 03:25:25.840 --> 03:25:29.840 or gym upstairs, no excuses it's on the calendar, the time is blocked off 03:25:29.840 --> 03:25:33.840 there's other work people there that you probably wouldn't mind seeing just throwing it out there 03:25:33.840 --> 03:25:37.840 I'll probably have to bail early literally every time 03:25:37.840 --> 03:25:41.840 it's a pretty cool work function, we do free badminton every Tuesday night 03:25:41.840 --> 03:25:45.840 for LMG employees we have a limited number of spots 03:25:45.840 --> 03:25:49.840 because we also reserve some spots for no offense 03:25:49.840 --> 03:25:53.840 to most LMG employees but for badminton people 03:25:53.840 --> 03:25:57.840 for no reason, that's because I've seen the way that some people's game 03:25:57.840 --> 03:26:01.840 has been elevated by having the real badminton people there 03:26:01.840 --> 03:26:05.840 and it's huge, Tynan's legitimately pretty good at badminton now 03:26:05.840 --> 03:26:09.840 and he came in like I don't think Tynan's watching 03:26:09.840 --> 03:26:13.840 total no idea what he's doing 03:26:13.840 --> 03:26:17.840 but he's athletic I don't think that would offend him 03:26:17.840 --> 03:26:21.840 well yeah, I think he knew but he's athletic, he's 03:26:21.840 --> 03:26:25.840 pretty quickly, he's an intense learner he's a studier, he's like 03:26:25.840 --> 03:26:29.840 a very curious person and he kind of found 03:26:29.840 --> 03:26:33.840 being crap at it to be motivating and not everybody feels that way 03:26:33.840 --> 03:26:37.840 but he's like I'm crap at this, I'm now motivated to be better at this 03:26:37.840 --> 03:26:41.840 just kind of person from everything I've seen about him and so he's like 03:26:41.840 --> 03:26:45.840 pretty good now he'll beat me clean on a smash sometimes 03:26:45.840 --> 03:26:49.840 he's solid I'll also try to add 03:26:49.840 --> 03:26:53.840 something that's interesting so like this time, something that I planned on doing 03:26:53.840 --> 03:26:57.840 is I I had this plan before 03:26:57.840 --> 03:27:01.840 because it was already a bit of time before I had been in the gym because of traveling 03:27:01.840 --> 03:27:05.840 before the mold remediation thing happened in my place but I bought cleats 03:27:05.840 --> 03:27:09.840 I bought my first pair of cleats since high school because I had my high school cleats for a long time 03:27:11.840 --> 03:27:15.840 and my idea was that I was going to I wanted to get just more like 03:27:15.840 --> 03:27:19.840 specifically running cardio in 03:27:19.840 --> 03:27:23.840 I know there's a lot of forms of cardio but I wanted to get running cardio in 03:27:23.840 --> 03:27:27.840 to not destroy my knees and want to be on a softer surface so ideally grass 03:27:27.840 --> 03:27:31.840 and I was like it would be kind of fun to do like old soccer and football drills 03:27:31.840 --> 03:27:35.840 in the grass you just have to move closer and we can go rollerblading anytime you want 03:27:35.840 --> 03:27:39.840 I will literally rollerblade anytime you want I've been peer pressuring him to move closer 03:27:39.840 --> 03:27:43.840 for like a long time if I do, I will now abuse that 03:27:43.840 --> 03:27:47.840 I'll just call you at 3 in the morning and I'll be down 03:27:47.840 --> 03:27:51.840 I have gone night rollerblading more times than you would probably think 03:27:51.840 --> 03:27:55.840 I love rollerblading it's incredible cardio 03:27:55.840 --> 03:27:59.840 it is like S tier cardio it's very good 03:27:59.840 --> 03:28:03.840 if you're doing it right I wanted to get back into running 03:28:03.840 --> 03:28:07.840 and sprinting specifically sprint on rollerblades 03:28:07.840 --> 03:28:11.840 but I wanted to get back into sprinting so I have those and one of my ideas is that 03:28:11.840 --> 03:28:15.840 I wanted to trickle in running days and stuff and I had all this prepped 03:28:15.840 --> 03:28:19.840 and then didn't get to do it and now I'm going to be inserting that again 03:28:19.840 --> 03:28:23.840 so I'm kind of excited to see how that cycle goes so I found a thing to make it 03:28:23.840 --> 03:28:27.840 so that it's exciting for me to do it again and then I scheduled it 03:28:27.840 --> 03:28:31.840 and that little like wombo combo I find has worked effectively in the past 03:28:31.840 --> 03:28:35.840 there's even a hockey cage that is walking distance 03:28:35.840 --> 03:28:39.840 in my neighborhood you know you love it 03:28:39.840 --> 03:28:43.840 like a roller hockey cage that would be 03:28:43.840 --> 03:28:47.840 you know you'd get the cardio in live 03:28:47.840 --> 03:28:51.840 and get back to work this is a picture 03:28:51.840 --> 03:28:55.840 it says I'll teach you to backflip if you teach me to blade 03:28:55.840 --> 03:28:59.840 this is a picture it's you 03:28:59.840 --> 03:29:03.840 it's a live slug reaction I don't know what that's in reference to 03:29:03.840 --> 03:29:07.840 Dan said it's a meme I don't know what meme it is 03:29:07.840 --> 03:29:11.840 because I don't know it I know it 03:29:11.840 --> 03:29:13.840 thank god for that 03:29:23.840 --> 03:29:27.840 oh man I won't apologize for art 03:29:27.840 --> 03:29:29.840 Dan says he won't apologize for art 03:29:35.840 --> 03:29:39.840 last one I got for you today nice 03:29:51.840 --> 03:29:55.840 nice he's typing 03:29:55.840 --> 03:29:59.840 so I think it's really good very good 03:29:59.840 --> 03:30:01.840 super good 03:30:03.840 --> 03:30:07.840 I just couldn't agree more there are 03:30:07.840 --> 03:30:11.840 a terrible mind controlling pit of 03:30:11.840 --> 03:30:15.840 loss of attention span and endless amounts of 03:30:15.840 --> 03:30:19.840 distraction and having that in classrooms 03:30:19.840 --> 03:30:23.840 to extremely susceptible kids is a terrible terrible idea 03:30:23.840 --> 03:30:27.840 because one teacher or two teachers or whatever 03:30:27.840 --> 03:30:31.840 are not going to be able to properly police the entire classrooms 03:30:31.840 --> 03:30:35.840 usage of mobile devices when they can't even see what's happening 03:30:35.840 --> 03:30:37.840 on the other side of the screen 03:30:39.840 --> 03:30:43.840 reverse the amount of tech use in classes yeah I mean it's like too much right now 03:30:43.840 --> 03:30:47.840 because of the phones laptops are also a bit of an issue there 03:30:47.840 --> 03:30:51.840 but certain locked down laptops I think could still be a really good idea 03:30:51.840 --> 03:30:55.840 I just hope they're funding whatever this is correctly because it's all fine and good to say 03:30:55.840 --> 03:30:59.840 well the teachers should do more interactive instruction and they should do this and they should do that 03:30:59.840 --> 03:31:03.840 but if you're not actually giving them the resources and giving them the funding 03:31:03.840 --> 03:31:07.840 to do it then it's just words the primary thing for me is phones 03:31:07.840 --> 03:31:11.840 out of classrooms the rest of it 03:31:11.840 --> 03:31:15.840 is honestly not even important enough to be in the same conversation 03:31:17.840 --> 03:31:21.840 that's all I got? and you know what else is not in the conversation 03:31:21.840 --> 03:31:25.840 any more WAN Show today we'll see you again next week 03:31:25.840 --> 03:31:29.840 same bad time, same bad channel bye 03:31:29.840 --> 03:31:33.840 don't say bye it's not playing 03:31:33.840 --> 03:31:37.840 it's not playing why isn't it playing 03:31:37.840 --> 03:31:41.840 oh is it just stopped it's because Sammy said bye 03:31:41.840 --> 03:31:45.840 he broke it you broke literally the entire show 03:31:45.840 --> 03:31:49.840 you broke the whole show Sammy don't cut the camera 03:31:49.840 --> 03:31:51.840 I don't know what to do