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Elijah: As you guys just saw, main channel; 2 00:00:01.668 --> 00:00:03.937 we did the roundup of PC speed up tools. 3 00:00:03.937 --> 00:00:04.871 I got Jon here. 4 00:00:04.871 --> 00:00:05.972 He did all the testing, 5 00:00:06.306 --> 00:00:10.010 Uh, and oh my goodness, he went a little ham with the notes, 6 00:00:10.010 --> 00:00:12.012 so much that we couldn't include it in the video. 7 00:00:12.012 --> 00:00:14.714 We have almost, almost 20 pages of notes. 8 00:00:14.881 --> 00:00:16.049 Jon: Just change the font size. 9 00:00:16.883 --> 00:00:18.718 Elijah: Then we have 20 pages of notes. 10 00:00:18.752 --> 00:00:22.555 I think you told me that this is more notes than you had on like Secret Shopper. 11 00:00:22.655 --> 00:00:26.726 Jon: Yep, I think Secret Shopper was about 13 pages. 12 00:00:26.726 --> 00:00:31.998 Elijah: The reason why is, we just got so fascinated by how bad these products were, 13 00:00:31.998 --> 00:00:35.201 but like the snake oil and some of their just tactics they use, 14 00:00:35.201 --> 00:00:39.139 and how everyone has the same functions but word it differently 15 00:00:39.139 --> 00:00:41.941 or advertise it differently like this line here. 16 00:00:41.941 --> 00:00:44.811 "Wow, Ashampoo makes a lot of software". 17 00:00:44.844 --> 00:00:46.046 Jon: Yeah, they do. 18 00:00:46.112 --> 00:00:49.582 Jon: Yeah, if you go to their website, they actually have like 19 00:00:49.649 --> 00:00:53.019 eight different versions of like any program they've ever developed; 20 00:00:53.019 --> 00:00:55.922 it's as if they like never sunset anything. 21 00:00:55.922 --> 00:00:59.092 Elijah: Yeah, I think they even had some, like back before 2000 22 00:00:59.092 --> 00:01:03.830 that you could still buy on their site, as like "yes this still works"; 23 00:01:04.197 --> 00:01:06.866 I mean you'd have to refresh the page to hopefully get a good price. 24 00:01:08.201 --> 00:01:10.870 Elijah: And that was sometimes really tough to to recreate, 25 00:01:10.904 --> 00:01:13.640 I remember like the first time we encountered that, 26 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:19.379 you had a lower price than I did upstairs, and so I was trying to refresh it 27 00:01:19.412 --> 00:01:22.549 to get that lower price for b-roll, so we can add it to the video; 28 00:01:22.715 --> 00:01:26.319 and I couldn't, no matter what I did it was like higher or like one dollar lower. 29 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.924 Like it was just, it was so inconsistent and I don't know if we ever figured out 30 00:01:31.357 --> 00:01:37.530 how it was like feeding us those prices and why it was feeding us particular prices. 31 00:01:38.665 --> 00:01:41.935 Jon: I'm sure some of it is probably like, it figures out hardware id 32 00:01:42.001 --> 00:01:46.039 based off of like your- your Mac Address and something like that. Elijah: Yeah. 33 00:01:46.706 --> 00:01:50.510 Jon: And then just kind of assigns it a price, that's the problem with like 34 00:01:51.478 --> 00:01:57.283 that kind of like gray area legally of you know, what's the what's the term? 35 00:01:57.350 --> 00:01:58.585 It's like um, 36 00:01:59.052 --> 00:02:02.255 it's either called dynamic pricing or price discrimination. 37 00:02:02.355 --> 00:02:04.824 Elijah: Wow, that sounds horrible when you just say it out loud. 38 00:02:04.858 --> 00:02:07.060 Jon: Yeah, It's a very like- 39 00:02:07.927 --> 00:02:13.433 But the thing is that's not even just in regards to like software. 40 00:02:13.433 --> 00:02:13.700 Elijah: Yeah. 41 00:02:13.700 --> 00:02:15.068 Jon: Y'know, you do get stuff like that 42 00:02:15.602 --> 00:02:18.872 even with regards to like other markets too, right? 43 00:02:18.872 --> 00:02:20.006 Elijah: Hundred percent, yeah. 44 00:02:20.073 --> 00:02:22.008 Elijah: I actually just watched a recent video on that, 45 00:02:22.075 --> 00:02:26.579 how Wendy's was like one of the first people to do digital signage or something 46 00:02:26.579 --> 00:02:30.016 for fast food and the reason was is because when the restaurant was empty 47 00:02:30.049 --> 00:02:32.252 they could like lower the prices dynamically; 48 00:02:32.585 --> 00:02:35.355 and then when it's busy you raise the prices dynamically, 49 00:02:35.388 --> 00:02:39.159 and it's the same idea of like, knowing who your target audience is 50 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.662 and trying to be very predatory with how you charge them. 51 00:02:42.662 --> 00:02:45.532 But there was some good news overall like some of the softwares, 52 00:02:46.065 --> 00:02:49.302 As Linus described it in his words was, it didn't speed it up; 53 00:02:49.302 --> 00:02:51.671 it just kind of unslowed your computer. 54 00:02:51.704 --> 00:02:53.573 Jon: Yeah, brought it back to baseline basically. 55 00:02:53.573 --> 00:02:58.311 Elijah: Yeah exactly, and I think that honestly was better than I thought going into this. 56 00:02:58.344 --> 00:03:02.248 I definitely thought a lot of these would be way more heavy on, 57 00:03:02.682 --> 00:03:06.753 "Oh, we can do way better!" and then absolutely do nothing; 58 00:03:06.853 --> 00:03:07.053 Jon: Yeah. 59 00:03:07.053 --> 00:03:11.491 Elijah: but for the most part they all did decent, which I guess is good 60 00:03:11.491 --> 00:03:15.261 but I still wouldn't pay for it, that's the thing, you can do all of this for free. 61 00:03:16.062 --> 00:03:19.365 Jon: Well, not only that but like you know, you do have some apps that have 62 00:03:19.399 --> 00:03:22.635 you know trials and stuff like that, It's good to take advantage of those things; 63 00:03:22.635 --> 00:03:24.771 especially if you don't know what you're doing. 64 00:03:24.971 --> 00:03:28.341 Because at least you can do beforehand of like, 65 00:03:28.341 --> 00:03:31.010 potentially going down that whole rabbit hole of like, 66 00:03:31.010 --> 00:03:34.414 crap I forgot to cancel this month, I'll be sure to do it on friday. 67 00:03:34.414 --> 00:03:39.419 Then five fridays later you're like, well I guess i'm using this for another month. 68 00:03:39.419 --> 00:03:43.056 Elijah: Yeah, take advantage of free trials if you do want to use these types of software. 69 00:03:43.056 --> 00:03:43.790 Jon: Absolutely. 70 00:03:43.790 --> 00:03:47.527 Elijah: Um, was there any other like standout moments that you saw in your notes, 71 00:03:47.594 --> 00:03:49.095 that we couldn't include in the main video? 72 00:03:49.162 --> 00:03:50.396 Jon: Oh my gosh, there's so many. 73 00:03:50.630 --> 00:03:54.434 Elijah: Do you think we could post our notes in like the Floatplane description or something? 74 00:03:54.767 --> 00:03:58.204 Jon: Some of the notes are obviously just talking about how the software works. 75 00:03:58.271 --> 00:04:01.808 CCleaner was another example of that sort of price discrimination, 76 00:04:01.841 --> 00:04:04.944 where you're on the application, it can change the price from like, 77 00:04:04.944 --> 00:04:07.480 Oh well, it's in Canadian, Oh now it's in US; 78 00:04:07.513 --> 00:04:08.147 Elijah: Mmmm. 79 00:04:08.181 --> 00:04:11.017 Jon: and then it's like okay, well but now it's in Canadian, 80 00:04:11.017 --> 00:04:13.453 but it's a lower price than the other Canadian one. 81 00:04:13.486 --> 00:04:13.820 Elijah: Yeah. 82 00:04:13.820 --> 00:04:18.691 Jon: And it's like that whole- that whole web of lies of like, which one's the real number. 83 00:04:18.858 --> 00:04:22.161 Elijah: Yeah, and that's again ultimately why we didn't end up buying Ashampoo, 84 00:04:22.228 --> 00:04:25.698 was like I just- I genuinely couldn't trust what I was paying, 85 00:04:25.698 --> 00:04:28.835 and I didn't feel comfortable handing over the company credit card. 86 00:04:28.835 --> 00:04:30.169 *Nervous laughter* 87 00:04:30.270 --> 00:04:32.071 Jon: That's a good way to get it chopped up in a minute. 88 00:04:32.105 --> 00:04:36.409 Elijah: Yeah, "Why is there five hundred dollars from Ashampoo!?". 89 00:04:37.777 --> 00:04:41.180 Elijah: Because you were the one who actually got to go through and really use every software, 90 00:04:41.180 --> 00:04:41.447 Jon: Yeah. 91 00:04:41.447 --> 00:04:43.583 Elijah: In terms of the user experience, 92 00:04:44.150 --> 00:04:47.520 one of the things we pointed out in the main video is that the Microsoft one 93 00:04:47.520 --> 00:04:51.691 didn't feel as much like bloatware, because it was kind of just a system tray, whatever. 94 00:04:51.758 --> 00:04:52.091 Jon: Yeah. 95 00:04:52.125 --> 00:04:57.230 Elijah: Is there any that you think had standout features, or were really annoying like? 96 00:04:57.864 --> 00:05:00.133 Jon: I wouldn't say standout features but I mean, 97 00:05:00.133 --> 00:05:03.202 the probably the biggest ease of use one was Avast. 98 00:05:03.236 --> 00:05:03.670 Elijah: Okay. 99 00:05:03.670 --> 00:05:07.640 Jon: Just because it's, it literally gives you one button that does like most of its software; 100 00:05:07.640 --> 00:05:08.007 Elijah: Mhmm. 101 00:05:08.041 --> 00:05:11.978 Jon: and then you can go and manually tune it afterwards, which is great. 102 00:05:12.512 --> 00:05:15.381 Jon: Um, CCleaner was kind of the same way for obvious reasons 103 00:05:15.381 --> 00:05:16.816 because you know, they're the same company. 104 00:05:16.816 --> 00:05:17.150 Elijah: Yeah. 105 00:05:17.150 --> 00:05:20.386 Jon: But CCleaner has a more robust utility, 106 00:05:20.386 --> 00:05:23.056 like there's a lot of stuff in CCleaner you can't do it in Avast. 107 00:05:23.089 --> 00:05:23.656 Elijah: Yeah. 108 00:05:23.656 --> 00:05:28.528 Jon: Like do like registry edits and stuff like that, which is kind of- almost kind of scary; 109 00:05:28.528 --> 00:05:31.331 like they don't have like a uh, a "pro mode"; 110 00:05:31.331 --> 00:05:31.831 Elijah: Sure, okay. 111 00:05:31.831 --> 00:05:35.568 Jon: of like, hey I know what I'm doing and I want to fix this stuff. 112 00:05:35.568 --> 00:05:38.504 So the problem with some of those utilities, right? 113 00:05:38.571 --> 00:05:42.141 Is you potentially end up in a dangerous situation, 114 00:05:42.141 --> 00:05:44.977 where you start removing things that you shouldn't have removed in the first place. 115 00:05:44.977 --> 00:05:45.378 Elijah: Yes. 116 00:05:45.378 --> 00:05:49.882 Jon: And then you're like, well now I bricked my OS; because it decided to delete system32. 117 00:05:50.049 --> 00:05:54.387 Elijah: Yeah, you got to be really careful with registry cleanup tools, 118 00:05:54.387 --> 00:05:57.757 you're getting into the root of things and where you can really mess things up; 119 00:05:57.757 --> 00:06:00.760 and so when you just kind of hand the keys over to a different software, 120 00:06:00.760 --> 00:06:05.631 and are like yes clean; you know, you don't know what happens sometimes 121 00:06:05.631 --> 00:06:06.899 and you got to be very careful. 122 00:06:06.999 --> 00:06:10.303 Did did we end up- I forget if we ended up even running registry on some of them, 123 00:06:10.336 --> 00:06:12.238 Did- if we did, which ones was it? 124 00:06:12.638 --> 00:06:16.542 Jon: Um, I know Avast did a quick registry cleanup thing; 125 00:06:16.542 --> 00:06:24.484 Uh CCleaner was obviously a registry cleanup, I think, what was it? 126 00:06:24.484 --> 00:06:26.052 The IObit definitely did, 127 00:06:26.085 --> 00:06:28.821 because there was so many damn utilities that that thing came with. 128 00:06:28.821 --> 00:06:31.557 Elijah: I can't believe it installed six different applications. 129 00:06:31.557 --> 00:06:34.093 Jon: I think the only one out of the ones we actually ran, 130 00:06:34.093 --> 00:06:37.797 was Microsoft PC Manager didn't have a registry thing, for obvious reasons; 131 00:06:37.797 --> 00:06:39.499 Because they would know, 132 00:06:39.532 --> 00:06:42.635 maybe we don't want to accidentally delete a bunch of registry keys 133 00:06:42.635 --> 00:06:45.605 that although they seem blank, they're not actually blank; 134 00:06:45.671 --> 00:06:49.275 because that software is looking for a registry key even if it is blank. 135 00:06:49.809 --> 00:06:51.210 Elijah: Mic died, we're back. 136 00:06:52.745 --> 00:06:56.849 Elijah: One thing that I was kind of shocked by, is that microsoft's first party tool 137 00:06:56.883 --> 00:07:00.820 didn't actually do the most work, they did like the least invasive; 138 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.756 and I think even though like you can make fun of them, 139 00:07:03.756 --> 00:07:06.592 It's like oh Microsoft should know better than anyone, I think that's why. 140 00:07:06.592 --> 00:07:10.563 They kind of know that maybe editing registry keys is not the way to go; 141 00:07:10.563 --> 00:07:12.265 they kind of know to be that invasive- 142 00:07:12.265 --> 00:07:13.566 Sammy: Stop again, it died again. 143 00:07:13.633 --> 00:07:14.400 Elijah: Ok it just died. 144 00:07:15.067 --> 00:07:16.769 Elijah: Day two of recording, the mic died. 145 00:07:16.836 --> 00:07:18.171 Elijah: Wait, did we just got a new one? 146 00:07:18.938 --> 00:07:22.141 Um, well I was saying though before the mic died was, 147 00:07:22.141 --> 00:07:26.245 about how Microsoft seemed to do the least when it came to registry edits; 148 00:07:26.245 --> 00:07:29.849 and it's probably because they know better, even though you would think, 149 00:07:29.849 --> 00:07:33.719 "hey, they should know what to do"; that's them knowing what to do, 150 00:07:33.719 --> 00:07:37.790 going in and messing with registry keys can cause a whole whack ton of issues 151 00:07:37.790 --> 00:07:41.794 if you don't do it correctly; and so if you don't know what these softwares are doing 152 00:07:41.794 --> 00:07:43.963 it can really make things worse. 153 00:07:44.163 --> 00:07:46.032 Jon: Yeah, there was one thing though. 154 00:07:46.032 --> 00:07:50.536 In the uh software, there's actually a process management section 155 00:07:50.903 --> 00:07:57.109 that can be a little bit dangerous; because it does list system processes in there. 156 00:07:57.710 --> 00:07:59.278 Elijah: That you can just like stop? 157 00:07:59.345 --> 00:08:02.348 Jon: Yeah, you can just stop and like straight up crash your system, 158 00:08:02.415 --> 00:08:08.354 so like out of that- but like of the programs that's like probably the least invasive; 159 00:08:08.354 --> 00:08:11.257 because if you crash your system its like oops accidentally did that, 160 00:08:11.591 --> 00:08:14.360 no harm just restart your computer. 161 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:18.498 Whereas some of these it's like, no completely disable this service. 162 00:08:18.498 --> 00:08:22.034 Elijah: Yeah and in that case it can be tough to re-enable it; 163 00:08:22.034 --> 00:08:26.372 because you might not know what they're doing, it's just a run registry button. 164 00:08:26.539 --> 00:08:28.474 So, um. 165 00:08:29.075 --> 00:08:33.679 Elijah: I think our most notes though, and you'll see it on the Floatplane, is on IObit. 166 00:08:34.013 --> 00:08:38.718 Jon: That one is uh, seven pages by itself, but it's because 167 00:08:38.718 --> 00:08:43.422 I mean realistically you have like six programs that we actually looked at. 168 00:08:43.456 --> 00:08:48.828 Obviously the worst thing was the whole you know, all these different pricing schemes; 169 00:08:49.128 --> 00:08:52.965 where you can get just the system care by itself with I think 170 00:08:52.999 --> 00:08:56.135 driver for like 21 or something like that, 171 00:08:56.135 --> 00:09:01.073 or you can get like the whole package for $29.99 and then it's just like okay, 172 00:09:01.073 --> 00:09:05.778 what happens now? And then you buy all these programs and sure some of them work but- 173 00:09:05.778 --> 00:09:08.681 If you get one that's titled "System Care", 174 00:09:08.681 --> 00:09:12.118 you would think that that would encompass everything that 175 00:09:12.118 --> 00:09:14.253 all the other applications do, but no. 176 00:09:14.253 --> 00:09:14.754 Elijah: No. 177 00:09:15.555 --> 00:09:21.494 Jon: What makes it even worse is there's another version of Advanced SystemCare, 178 00:09:21.561 --> 00:09:23.529 called Advanced SystemCare Ultimate. 179 00:09:23.529 --> 00:09:25.064 Elijah: Did we test that one, or-? 180 00:09:25.131 --> 00:09:25.498 Jon: No. 181 00:09:25.498 --> 00:09:27.133 Elijah: No, oh god. 182 00:09:27.133 --> 00:09:32.705 Jon: Yeah, and what that has, is that has the anti-malware built into it; 183 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:34.006 Elijah: Okay. 184 00:09:34.006 --> 00:09:37.677 Jon: instead of having to get the the extra program for anti-malware. 185 00:09:37.777 --> 00:09:38.444 Elijah: Oh god! 186 00:09:38.444 --> 00:09:41.480 Jon: However, I can't confirm exactly if it's the exact same 187 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:42.315 because we never tested it. 188 00:09:42.315 --> 00:09:43.416 Elijah: Sure, we didn't go with that one. 189 00:09:44.116 --> 00:09:45.651 Elijah: Giving them money once was enough. 190 00:09:45.818 --> 00:09:47.887 Jon: But it's the fact that they've made, 191 00:09:48.554 --> 00:09:51.891 not one, not two, but three different versions; because you have the free version, 192 00:09:51.891 --> 00:09:52.091 Elijah: Yeah. 193 00:09:52.091 --> 00:09:54.894 Jon: which then technically you can activate and it becomes the full version. 194 00:09:54.894 --> 00:09:55.227 Elijah: Yes. 195 00:09:55.261 --> 00:09:58.998 Jon: Right? But that there's another version that's Ultimate 196 00:09:59.498 --> 00:10:02.435 that is a completely separate program; 197 00:10:02.435 --> 00:10:06.872 it's not related to the Advanced SystemCare 17 that we actually tested. 198 00:10:06.872 --> 00:10:07.273 Elijah: Yeah. 199 00:10:07.273 --> 00:10:10.409 Elijah: It's so confusing. It was genuinely tough to- 200 00:10:10.409 --> 00:10:13.212 We had multiple conversations I remember of, 201 00:10:13.212 --> 00:10:14.246 "Which one are we getting?" 202 00:10:14.246 --> 00:10:17.083 Are we getting the upgrade? Are we buying it monthly? 203 00:10:17.216 --> 00:10:20.353 Are we doing it outright? Because some had monthly services, 204 00:10:20.353 --> 00:10:24.156 some just had like the 2024 version, right? And it was- 205 00:10:24.156 --> 00:10:28.661 This whole thing was actually very tough to identify what I was even buying, 206 00:10:28.661 --> 00:10:30.196 and gonna test. 207 00:10:30.730 --> 00:10:33.799 Jon: Yeah it's uh, it's really rough out there. 208 00:10:35.568 --> 00:10:37.069 Elijah: Practice safe computers kids. 209 00:10:37.069 --> 00:10:37.670 Jon: Yeah. 210 00:10:39.205 --> 00:10:40.506 Elijah: Don't zoom in don't zoo- 211 00:10:40.640 --> 00:10:44.777 Jon: So this is one of the ones where it had in the startup optimizer section, 212 00:10:44.777 --> 00:10:50.383 there's actually a services tab; it doesn't show you the system services by default; 213 00:10:50.416 --> 00:10:56.489 but If you go and- there's a little link at the bottom that says 214 00:10:56.489 --> 00:10:59.825 "show system services", it will literally show everything; 215 00:10:59.925 --> 00:11:02.294 especially if like the person doesn't know what they're doing 216 00:11:02.294 --> 00:11:05.965 and they're just randomly clicking or say like, their kid goes on there, 217 00:11:05.965 --> 00:11:07.600 they're just screwing around with stuff. 218 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.672 You could potentially do some damage to your system by like 219 00:11:12.672 --> 00:11:15.775 disabling core Windows services that you actually need. 220 00:11:15.775 --> 00:11:16.375 Elijah: Mhmm! 221 00:11:16.475 --> 00:11:20.279 Jon: The interesting thing to that too is that 222 00:11:21.180 --> 00:11:25.818 on a few of the applications that had the option for a tab for services, 223 00:11:25.818 --> 00:11:29.321 they were recommending turning off certain things like Windows Time! 224 00:11:30.556 --> 00:11:34.794 Yeah, or like um, what was another one? 225 00:11:34.794 --> 00:11:35.194 Elijah: What? 226 00:11:35.294 --> 00:11:38.330 Jon: Yeah, Windows Time, I wrote it down here. Elijah: Oh man. 227 00:11:38.864 --> 00:11:41.067 Jon: This was in the- 228 00:11:41.067 --> 00:11:42.768 This was in one of the IObit ones, 229 00:11:43.169 --> 00:11:49.809 so you can do Windows Time service, the Windows Error Reporting Service, the Font Service!? 230 00:11:49.809 --> 00:11:52.244 It was like "Turbo Boost". 231 00:11:54.814 --> 00:11:58.050 Elijah: Oh my god, that's so Wild to me. 232 00:11:58.050 --> 00:12:01.787 Jon: And that's something that it has built in that will try to automatically do it, 233 00:12:01.787 --> 00:12:04.557 If you don't go in and like pay attention to- Elijah: And stop that. 234 00:12:04.623 --> 00:12:08.894 Jon: to like what it's actually terminating, if you just say like yeah go; 235 00:12:08.894 --> 00:12:16.235 it'll actually just nuke a bunch of services, granted a lot of them are designed that like 236 00:12:16.235 --> 00:12:18.871 if they see that they fail, they will restart. Elijah: Restart, yes. 237 00:12:19.205 --> 00:12:23.342 Jon: So it should catch it, but there could be in an instance where you know, 238 00:12:23.342 --> 00:12:28.514 you have a service that's like hey, I've failed, the system can no longer run. 239 00:12:28.714 --> 00:12:30.983 Elijah: It's also possible, maybe you can correct me, 240 00:12:30.983 --> 00:12:35.454 that even if it did change some of those ones, it could also change the admin level 241 00:12:35.454 --> 00:12:39.258 where you would have it set to restart, if it like detected; 242 00:12:39.258 --> 00:12:42.628 so it's also possible that it might turn it off in Windows 243 00:12:42.628 --> 00:12:45.297 and then turn the setting off to re-turn it on 244 00:12:45.931 --> 00:12:48.834 and that would cause issues down the line so- 245 00:12:48.868 --> 00:12:51.771 Jon: Yeah, there is, there is some instances of some software 246 00:12:51.771 --> 00:12:56.108 where it will change it from a "restart" state, 247 00:12:56.142 --> 00:12:56.642 Elijah: Yeah 248 00:12:56.642 --> 00:12:58.744 Jon: to a straight-up "disabled" state 249 00:12:58.744 --> 00:13:01.981 and then in that instance actually it doesn't recover; 250 00:13:01.981 --> 00:13:04.183 because it just considers it turned off 251 00:13:04.650 --> 00:13:08.420 Jon: Yeah, so this was another stupid one, so Advanced SystemCare, 252 00:13:08.420 --> 00:13:11.924 if you have all your other applications installed from their suite, 253 00:13:11.924 --> 00:13:12.258 Elijah: Mhmm. 254 00:13:12.258 --> 00:13:15.528 Jon: It will normally detect like, oh you have this one installed 255 00:13:15.528 --> 00:13:17.930 and it'll change the tile to just like open the link for it. 256 00:13:17.930 --> 00:13:18.297 Elijah: Yeah. 257 00:13:18.597 --> 00:13:23.269 Jon: Even though you have those installed, there's still an action center section 258 00:13:23.269 --> 00:13:27.273 and in that action center section it still tries to sell you Driver Booster. 259 00:13:28.140 --> 00:13:30.109 Elijah: Even though we already have it installed? 260 00:13:30.109 --> 00:13:33.112 Jon: We have it installed and it can tell it's installed, 261 00:13:33.112 --> 00:13:36.015 It's like, hey do you want to buy it again for like another 262 00:13:36.015 --> 00:13:38.184 y'know 10 bucks or something like that? 263 00:13:38.250 --> 00:13:38.918 Elijah: I'm so mad. 264 00:13:39.118 --> 00:13:43.789 Jon: The other thing I hate is like, they they post ridiculous prices. 265 00:13:43.789 --> 00:13:47.726 Like they're saying Driver Booster has a value of 80 dollars, 266 00:13:47.827 --> 00:13:48.561 Elijah: Yes. 267 00:13:48.594 --> 00:13:50.629 Jon: and it's like, I'm sorry but no. 268 00:13:50.830 --> 00:13:54.834 Elijah: One of their bundles I think we saw, was like over 300 US. 269 00:13:54.834 --> 00:13:56.368 Jon: Yeah, the the bundle that we purchased. 270 00:13:56.368 --> 00:13:58.938 Elijah: Yeah, and they're like, you can get it for 20 dollars. 271 00:13:58.938 --> 00:14:00.706 I'm like, what!? 272 00:14:01.040 --> 00:14:01.540 Jon: Yeah. 273 00:14:01.707 --> 00:14:04.910 Elijah: If it's 300 dollars and you're giving me what is that like 274 00:14:04.944 --> 00:14:06.645 96 percent off!? 275 00:14:07.046 --> 00:14:07.613 Jon: Yeah. 276 00:14:08.514 --> 00:14:12.151 Jon: And then to segue into the whole Driver Booster situation, 277 00:14:12.151 --> 00:14:15.988 so it obviously found more drivers than Advanced SystemCare 278 00:14:15.988 --> 00:14:18.290 because that's what it's developed for right? 279 00:14:18.290 --> 00:14:18.624 Elijah: Yeah. 280 00:14:18.624 --> 00:14:22.394 Jon: The problem is, is that you don't know where these drivers are coming from; 281 00:14:22.528 --> 00:14:23.195 And... 282 00:14:23.195 --> 00:14:24.163 Elijah: Oooh. 283 00:14:24.496 --> 00:14:29.101 Jon: When it installed the drivers, the NVIDIA Control Panel didn't install. 284 00:14:29.101 --> 00:14:32.004 Elijah: Oooooh. Jon: So it installed the driver for the graphics card, 285 00:14:32.004 --> 00:14:33.439 Jon: which is totally fine. 286 00:14:33.505 --> 00:14:37.309 You technically don't need NVIDIA Control Panel for the GPU to work; Elijah: Sure. 287 00:14:37.509 --> 00:14:40.679 Jon: But you can't do any configuration with it without it. 288 00:14:42.648 --> 00:14:47.386 Elijah: God man, almost kudos, we like almost made it. 289 00:14:47.553 --> 00:14:51.891 Jon: Yeah, right? And like all their other applications, 290 00:14:51.891 --> 00:14:56.395 there's a number of them like the software updater and the uninstaller 291 00:14:56.462 --> 00:14:59.531 have like similar functionality, but do different things; 292 00:14:59.531 --> 00:15:04.436 like they use different databases for what applications are needed to be updated. 293 00:15:04.503 --> 00:15:06.839 Elijah: Do you think that's possible then that they purchased, 294 00:15:07.172 --> 00:15:11.377 like these softwares over time from maybe different companies, 295 00:15:11.577 --> 00:15:13.445 and then that's how they're doing it? 296 00:15:13.445 --> 00:15:17.049 Or do you think that they've made all of these softwares and they're 297 00:15:17.116 --> 00:15:19.752 Intentionally trying to do it this way? 298 00:15:20.185 --> 00:15:21.687 Jon: Um, it's hard to say right? like- 299 00:15:21.687 --> 00:15:21.954 Elijah: Yeah. 300 00:15:21.954 --> 00:15:26.358 Jon: You know, without diving into the logs, and like change logs 301 00:15:26.358 --> 00:15:28.260 and stuff like that to actually be like, okay 302 00:15:28.260 --> 00:15:30.296 was this actually owned by them from 303 00:15:30.296 --> 00:15:33.465 software updater six all the way to software updater one, right? 304 00:15:34.566 --> 00:15:41.040 I do know that there are some, you know, application service providers out there 305 00:15:41.040 --> 00:15:46.812 that do go around and purposely buy up all these little development softwares 306 00:15:46.812 --> 00:15:50.015 and go and say hey, we'll pay you guys to like make this 307 00:15:50.015 --> 00:15:51.283 and just put our name on it; 308 00:15:51.283 --> 00:15:51.917 Elijah: Mhmm. 309 00:15:51.951 --> 00:15:54.219 Jon: which is totally fine, there's nothing wrong with that; 310 00:15:54.286 --> 00:15:56.355 but then that's where you get like this weird crosstalk. 311 00:15:56.355 --> 00:16:02.094 It's kind of like how ASUS for a while had like five different versions of Armoury Crate, 312 00:16:02.127 --> 00:16:04.063 and none of them were the same? Elijah: Yes, yes. 313 00:16:04.797 --> 00:16:08.133 Jon: It's because all these different you know, departments, 314 00:16:08.133 --> 00:16:10.636 are working on their own internalized software 315 00:16:10.636 --> 00:16:12.738 and they're not looking at everybody else's and saying, 316 00:16:12.738 --> 00:16:14.907 "Hey, why are you doing that? That's our our software." 317 00:16:14.907 --> 00:16:16.475 Elijah: We're doing that or whatever, yeah. 318 00:16:16.475 --> 00:16:21.447 Jon: That said it's not, it's not great when you buy six pieces of software 319 00:16:21.447 --> 00:16:23.282 and three of them do basically the same thing. 320 00:16:23.315 --> 00:16:24.550 Elijah: *Laughs* 321 00:16:24.883 --> 00:16:28.654 Elijah: Man yeah, that's actually just horrible, buying literal snake oil. 322 00:16:28.654 --> 00:16:32.925 Jon: So the software updater found probably the most software to update 323 00:16:32.925 --> 00:16:37.896 out of its entire bundle set; but when I went to the uninstaller one, 324 00:16:37.896 --> 00:16:41.700 it actually found a bunch of applications that needed to be updated 325 00:16:41.700 --> 00:16:43.268 that weren't on the other list. 326 00:16:43.902 --> 00:16:48.407 Elijah: So their dedicated software updater didn't catch everything, 327 00:16:48.407 --> 00:16:48.707 Jon: Yeah. 328 00:16:48.707 --> 00:16:51.810 Elijah: but it caught like a lot of stuff, but the- 329 00:16:52.544 --> 00:16:58.017 So like not only do they give you dedicated software to try to help with each thing, 330 00:16:58.017 --> 00:17:00.686 but you actually kind of end up needing to use all of them 331 00:17:00.686 --> 00:17:05.491 to do the same things as each one, because it catches them in one and not the other. 332 00:17:05.491 --> 00:17:09.128 Jon: Yeah, it's like a weird like rollover redundancy of like, 333 00:17:09.628 --> 00:17:13.399 Hey, so we found all these applications; don't worry, we found the other ones. 334 00:17:13.432 --> 00:17:14.767 Elijah: Oh my gosh! 335 00:17:14.933 --> 00:17:20.739 Jon: Yeah, when I originally um, looked at our bloatware prime so to speak. 336 00:17:20.739 --> 00:17:21.273 Elijah: Yeah. 337 00:17:21.907 --> 00:17:26.045 Jon: Um it, through WinGet, I think there was like 36 applications 338 00:17:26.045 --> 00:17:30.315 that it was showing that could be updated, which is what it's supposed to do, 339 00:17:30.315 --> 00:17:32.051 WinGet's pretty good about that. 340 00:17:32.051 --> 00:17:32.384 Elijah: Yeah. 341 00:17:32.384 --> 00:17:36.622 Jon: So to see, to see like all these other applications only find like a few, 342 00:17:36.622 --> 00:17:42.895 like a handful and you know it's typically because they're going based off a 343 00:17:42.895 --> 00:17:45.931 certain database; whether they're, it's an internalized database 344 00:17:45.931 --> 00:17:49.034 or they're looking at something like FileZilla or something like that, 345 00:17:49.034 --> 00:17:52.571 being like hey, what's the latest version on here? 346 00:17:52.571 --> 00:17:53.105 Elijah: Mmm. 347 00:17:54.473 --> 00:17:57.810 Jon: Which can be a problem because then you know, you might run to issues 348 00:17:57.810 --> 00:18:00.579 where like you're running an incredibly outdated piece of software, 349 00:18:00.579 --> 00:18:05.617 but because that database hasn't been updated it's never going to get updated again. 350 00:18:05.617 --> 00:18:09.455 Elijah: Sure, so you might even, it might say you never need to update something 351 00:18:09.455 --> 00:18:13.358 because it's looking at a reference from 2002 or 2022 or something right? Like- 352 00:18:13.358 --> 00:18:14.259 Jon: Exactly. 353 00:18:14.460 --> 00:18:20.365 Elijah: This whole thing ended up being way more than I think we thought. 354 00:18:20.365 --> 00:18:23.735 I think it was kind of like we're just going to buy these softwares and hit run, 355 00:18:23.735 --> 00:18:28.040 but we both just got so fascinated by how much they did or didn't do. 356 00:18:28.474 --> 00:18:28.807 Jon: Yeah. 357 00:18:28.807 --> 00:18:35.280 Elijah: And it was, it was awesome, so let's find one more talking point. 358 00:18:35.380 --> 00:18:37.850 We'll address directly and then we'll uh, 359 00:18:37.850 --> 00:18:40.052 we'll leave the rest to Floatplane to dig through. 360 00:18:40.052 --> 00:18:42.588 Jon: There's the VPN thing, but that's not really that- 361 00:18:42.588 --> 00:18:42.988 Elijah: Nah. 362 00:18:42.988 --> 00:18:43.722 Jon: that happy. 363 00:18:43.789 --> 00:18:49.428 Jon: That's the thing that I found weird was like, how IObit's partnered with iTop, 364 00:18:49.428 --> 00:18:51.029 but they're not the same company. 365 00:18:51.230 --> 00:18:55.267 Elijah: Yeah, we actually- I thought about it after, but it was too late. 366 00:18:55.300 --> 00:18:58.637 They actually made that dedicated game booster software; 367 00:18:58.637 --> 00:18:59.338 Jon: Yeah, iTop. 368 00:18:59.338 --> 00:19:02.441 Elijah: That was claiming like two hundr- like what was it? 369 00:19:02.441 --> 00:19:04.877 Like a stupid amount of performance increase. 370 00:19:04.877 --> 00:19:07.412 Jon: Yeah, I think it was like 2000 percent, 371 00:19:07.412 --> 00:19:09.281 and I'm like that's functionally not possible. 372 00:19:09.281 --> 00:19:13.886 Elijah: It's impossible, like NVIDIA's DLSS doesn't do that. 373 00:19:14.753 --> 00:19:15.954 So I, I wish we had- 374 00:19:15.954 --> 00:19:17.689 Jon: Yeah, even that's only 200 percent. 375 00:19:17.689 --> 00:19:21.059 Elijah: I wish we had added that in as one of our testing things. 376 00:19:21.059 --> 00:19:26.632 It was made by iTop, which is like either a partner or a sub company of IObit. 377 00:19:26.632 --> 00:19:27.399 Jon: Or a shell company. 378 00:19:27.399 --> 00:19:32.271 Elijah: Or a shell company. Jon: *Laughs* Elijah: But it sounds very familiar iTop, IObit; 379 00:19:32.271 --> 00:19:35.674 just maybe move the letters around and you get the same thing. 380 00:19:35.674 --> 00:19:40.445 Jon: Yeah, the funny thing is like, so in the Advanced SystemCare software 381 00:19:40.445 --> 00:19:45.651 there is like promotions when you go to the action center for a bunch of other applications 382 00:19:45.651 --> 00:19:51.590 that both they make and iTop make, and I think a couple other like small manufact- 383 00:19:51.590 --> 00:19:56.762 like software manufacturers make, software developers rather. 384 00:19:56.762 --> 00:20:00.699 Elijah: So they give you ads inside the software, 385 00:20:00.699 --> 00:20:01.934 Jon: But at least it's- Elijah: that you purchased. 386 00:20:02.201 --> 00:20:06.805 Jon: And the thing I hate is it's called the Action Center, like of all things. 387 00:20:06.905 --> 00:20:09.174 Elijah: So it would make you think like, oh you should do this. 388 00:20:09.174 --> 00:20:12.678 Jon: Yeah, "you should definitely download this stuff because it's better for you", 389 00:20:12.678 --> 00:20:15.581 and it's like okay, you know, like a free VPN; 390 00:20:15.581 --> 00:20:17.816 but the problem is can you trust them? 391 00:20:17.816 --> 00:20:22.387 How do you know that they're not, you know, filtering your data and 392 00:20:22.721 --> 00:20:25.657 scraping it all for nefarious purposes, right? Elijah: Whatever, yeah. 393 00:20:26.892 --> 00:20:32.931 Elijah: Was IObit the one that we figured was owned by the CCP, or was that the other one? 394 00:20:33.098 --> 00:20:34.299 Jon: It was IObit, yeah. 395 00:20:34.299 --> 00:20:35.467 Elijah: It was IObit, so Jon: Yeah. 396 00:20:36.168 --> 00:20:37.903 Elijah: However you want to interpret that, 397 00:20:37.903 --> 00:20:41.406 but that's why, you know, sometimes you never know what is being owned, 398 00:20:41.406 --> 00:20:43.308 and what is being scraped, and what's going, so- 399 00:20:43.375 --> 00:20:43.809 Jon: Yeah. 400 00:20:43.809 --> 00:20:47.546 Elijah: I think that's, I think that's more than enough for the Floatplane. 401 00:20:47.946 --> 00:20:49.548 Jon: Just one last one, 402 00:20:49.548 --> 00:20:51.483 Elijah: You got one more!? Okay, one more, we're- Jon: one last one. So- 403 00:20:51.550 --> 00:20:52.217 Elijah: There's a lot. 404 00:20:52.351 --> 00:20:54.253 Jon: Yeah, there's- there is a lot in here. 405 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:57.789 Um, obviously a lot of it covers just the you know, 406 00:20:57.789 --> 00:21:01.426 how the applications work and stuff like that, but there was some weird functionality I had 407 00:21:01.493 --> 00:21:06.164 with the Microsoft PC Manager, it has a toolbar option 408 00:21:06.164 --> 00:21:09.167 that gives you like a bunch of like things like screenshot and stuff like that. 409 00:21:09.167 --> 00:21:09.735 Elijah: Sure yeah. 410 00:21:10.035 --> 00:21:14.906 Jon: Um, but when it's on, It messes up full screen games; 411 00:21:15.007 --> 00:21:19.211 they will literally alt tab because it tries to be in the foreground. 412 00:21:19.211 --> 00:21:20.846 Elijah: Oooh, I see. 413 00:21:20.846 --> 00:21:25.350 Jon: I had to actually disable that little toolbar, 414 00:21:25.350 --> 00:21:27.853 before I could get like any of the games to run. 415 00:21:28.954 --> 00:21:32.724 Jon: Yeah, and then like it's less common nowadays that you get like exclusive fullscreen; 416 00:21:32.724 --> 00:21:33.325 Elijah: Sure. 417 00:21:33.492 --> 00:21:34.493 Jon: because if you have borderless, 418 00:21:34.493 --> 00:21:38.297 it doesn't matter it will properly figure out how to overlay right? Elijah: Go without, yeah. 419 00:21:38.297 --> 00:21:42.134 Jon: Because it's a different rendering pipeline to do a borderless fullscreen 420 00:21:42.134 --> 00:21:43.869 than it is for an exclusive fullscreen. 421 00:21:44.803 --> 00:21:48.473 Jon: Um and so like yeah, it was really weird that it was just like, 422 00:21:48.573 --> 00:21:51.777 yeah so we want to be in the foreground; Oh, but you're trying to play games. 423 00:21:51.777 --> 00:21:52.511 Jon: No! 424 00:21:53.245 --> 00:21:54.012 Elijah: They will impact your- 425 00:21:54.012 --> 00:21:56.815 Jon: No games for you! This is a desktop!. 426 00:21:57.516 --> 00:21:59.518 Elijah: This is more important than your gaming right now. 427 00:21:59.518 --> 00:21:59.851 Jon: Yeah. 428 00:21:59.851 --> 00:22:00.819 Elijah: That's, oh man. 429 00:22:00.886 --> 00:22:01.386 Jon: Yeah. 430 00:22:01.420 --> 00:22:06.091 Elijah: Crazy, well, thank you for all the testing you did, and all the notes you did; 431 00:22:06.091 --> 00:22:08.493 because I would never have been able to go through it all. 432 00:22:08.493 --> 00:22:10.729 I don't think I would have had the patience to go through it all. 433 00:22:10.729 --> 00:22:13.699 I had annoyance when I tried to boot that system up 434 00:22:13.699 --> 00:22:17.235 and like 25 applications showed up or whatever it was. 435 00:22:17.235 --> 00:22:17.569 Jon: Yeah. 436 00:22:17.569 --> 00:22:21.273 Elijah: Um, and I guess you know what? Thank you Float Goats. 437 00:22:21.973 --> 00:22:23.542 That's what we're going by now Adam. 438 00:22:23.542 --> 00:22:26.878 Don't shake your head! Adam called them Float Goats, and so I want to steal that now. 439 00:22:26.878 --> 00:22:29.581 I guess if you like this one you can check out uh, 440 00:22:29.581 --> 00:22:32.984 what's another good Floatplane Exclusive? Have you been watching them? 441 00:22:33.752 --> 00:22:36.455 Elijah: Oh putting him in- I put him on the spot right now! Sammy: Yes, say yes. 442 00:22:36.455 --> 00:22:39.057 Jon: I mean I've watched, I watched the airplane one, I was in that. 443 00:22:39.624 --> 00:22:40.459 Elijah: Oh, okay. 444 00:22:40.492 --> 00:22:40.959 Jon: *Laughs* 445 00:22:40.959 --> 00:22:42.627 Elijah: Go watch the airplane one! Watch Jon throw an airplane. 446 00:22:42.627 --> 00:22:44.062 Jon: Yeah, it was not great. 447 00:22:44.162 --> 00:22:45.597 Elijah: Hahahahaha- 448 00:22:45.597 --> 00:22:48.300 Jon: I would say that if I did it over again, 449 00:22:48.300 --> 00:22:50.635 I would have a better development cycle for my plane. 450 00:22:52.704 --> 00:22:54.072 Elijah: Labs testing, there you go.