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the idea was simple we backed up our lives on VHS tapes and anytime we wanted

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all we had to do was pop one into the VCR and be transported together into our

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Precious Memories it was a simpler time

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one that has led to today's complicated problem here are a couple of tapes I

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found in my attic complete with never before seen footage from my student

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exchange to Montreal except anyone still

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got a VHS player no

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anyone no sir I do not not anymore

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maybe if I just open it up and hold it up

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that's a tape right oh hi Mark by the

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way these are not film so acting out what's on them is not as

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simple as just looking through them into a light source Mark is our resident

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expert on digitizing VHS footage and he's going to help me today first to

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find out if there's anything on these and second to recover them with the

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greatest possible quality oh and third he's also going to help me segue to our

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affordable check them out at the link below what am I even looking at here

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this is uh this is York Lake in Yorkton

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Saskatchewan I think this doesn't look great no no and that would be just the

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poor recording quality at the time or has this been degraded uh it's a number

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of factors so it's the tape itself was recorded in super long Play It's

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degraded it's from the early 80s and uh

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probably some other factors too right out of the gate we've got some potential

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problems here my tapes have been in storage for over 10 years in my attic

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and two of the biggest enemies of VHS are heat in the summer and moisture

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which here on the wet Coast is definitely going to seep into your attic

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what are the odds that these are going to work at all well this one's from 2003

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so very likely uh that's not that long the

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time is a factor how long are these things supposed to last usually 10 to 25

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years but I've had tapes this tape is from the early 80s it sure is yeah

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yep that's my aunt okay cool uh even if

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these are in great condition that doesn't necessarily help me play them back now you told me that VHS players

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have gotten rare and expensive but eBay is full of players for like 30 bucks so

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how do you account for that those can be hit or miss like a lot of them were just

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from storage containers they say tested but that doesn't

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guarantee anything sure and this is analog right so just because it's

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working doesn't mean that it's going to look any good and if all you wanted to

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do was watch it and be like Oh Auntie

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Mark Santi or whatever then that's fine but it's a huge issue if you want to

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preserve your tapes in the long run by digitizing them because garbage in

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garbage out you want the best possible read on the tape especially if you want

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to have any hope of maybe say AI upscaling it when that technology you

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know continues to advance in the future yeah and also VHS players or VCRs can

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just eat your tape the moment you put it in and then gone you know right I mean

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unless you have like a Star Wars like budget to remaster it no no this was how

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I originally imagined my childhood with due backs and a weird alien musical

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number I also imagined this enhanced larger

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version of our LTT water bottle for exactly the same price lttstore.com so

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then if what I want is a quality VHS player I mean what am I looking for then

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there's some general rules first of all you want a VCR with at least four heads

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more is better but four is what is a head oh a tape head so it's what reads

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the tape oh so it's essentially doing like four passes of it as it goes by

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like four scans and taking like an average or what something like that it's

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spinning I see so it's the way that they stored video on tapes from this era and

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then what else do we want you mentioned something about TBC yes so ideally you

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want to get a VCR with a TBC they're a little bit hard to find now and you can

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also get an external one basically it fixes most of the issues that you have

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with analog video squiggly lines signal

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artifacts color being yeah color being

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skewed got it yeah and then I'm assuming outputs matter because you're not going

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to get the best quality ingest if you're outputting via composite or something

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like that so what do we want yeah ideally s video composite does work but

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if you have a unit with s video You're golden okay now there are a handful of

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models like the AG 1980p that the

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community knows our good bang for the buck or like the best one but here's the

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thing about VHS there were many hundreds probably thousands of different players

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in the 80s and 90s and that was a time

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when the internet either didn't exist or wasn't as readily accessible so a lot of

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the community knowledge about VHS tapes and about VHS players was very poorly

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documented compared to let's say today you were trying to learn about mod

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shipping a PS2 or even if you were trying to do that 20 years from now some

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of those articles some of that knowledge will remain here yeah it's a little it's

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a little tougher to find so someone like me might say well no problem uh here's a

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professional grade VHS player for a thousand dollars surely that one will be

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awesome right you would think that but if you have any

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tapes recorded in super long play right you know in EP mode yeah yeah yeah yeah

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uh it will not play it back I almost made that mistake when I was purchasing

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this unit that could be a very costly mistake and that would be such a classic

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dad move wait so it can record two hours

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in this mode but six hours in this mode surely I want the six hour mode right

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pretty much all of my tapes are recorded like that and regardless of whether you

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go consumer grade or professional grade for your VHS player it's an old device

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and there's a chance you're going to need to get it serviced or refurbished and again back in the 90s I don't think

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you could throw a rock without hitting a VCR or TV repair shop but these days

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there are few of these craftspeople left working and the cost can easily run you

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into the many hundreds of dollars thankfully Mark here got a copy on what

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I'm told is a 1980 p uh before price is

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evidently skyrocketed I love that you told me this is bang for the buck and then I look it up on eBay it's over a

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grand yeah so how much did you pay for it I paid 400 US Dollars 400 US Dollars

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even that is pretty yikes but aside from

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the Rarity of the players themselves there's other equipment that's required

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for a high quality capture that has also gotten harder to get your hands on so

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why don't you walk us through what I'm looking at here this is your analog to

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SDI digital converter from Blackmagic

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yeah they don't sell this anymore do they uh I couldn't find it but I

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apparently they do oh yeah I I found it

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online but I could not find it in b h so I had to get the second hand and

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currently it's connected to composite out but I do have the ability to go from

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s video out it works better on some tapes than others got it I found so both

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options okay you can do the same thing with a ossc but this has more Creature

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Comforts for what I'm doing sure like what tell me something this will do that

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an osse wouldn't uh you have a lot more standards right here oh interesting wait

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you can do beta yeah you can do beta shut up yeah yeah okay well that's

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pretty cool so there's a whole bunch of different standards uh you can turn off

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post-processing ossc will get you there

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though as well so that's another alternative and then this is more

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straightforward this is just a simple SDI video capture device yeah

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Thunderbolt cool yep okay well that's relatively straightforward this doesn't

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look cheap either though is there a cheap and cheerful way to do this technology connections did a video on

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transferring VHS tapes a while back I love that channel yeah yeah he's great

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and his setup was a much more affordable sure and I'm assuming just like an old

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like TV tuner card or something like that well no he went down that route but

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he ended up going with an upscaler so analog to HDMI upscaler with a capture

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card that's basically all this is without the upscale got it because for

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our purposes is we want as close to the original data as possible exactly is

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this as simple as just popping this into the player at this point like you had

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said that you've run into some issues where you've had to restore the tapes

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yeah so these are all in Fairly good condition but we think we think but just

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visually you can see there's no mold more or anything in here yeah yeah mold

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you say yes and that is uh that's the

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moisture okay yeah and then I guess you could also have damaged housings even

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though these have been in the hot like as hot as 40 degrees celsius during the

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summer they haven't been in direct sunlight sunlight

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probably we're done right pretty much heat your it's not recommended but it

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can hold up a little better it's ABS plastic so well I was more worried about

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the the tape yeah this is the one that

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is more important so I kind of want to start with this one should we just pop

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it in and see what happens go for it okay it's rewound I still remember left

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is rewound be kind please rewind right I never re-round you Jack

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this one wait are you are you messing with me

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nope this is what was on here for real

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for real okay because I had no idea what was on this but it was in my like

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sentimental memories

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no I was wait what is this it went to Survivor wait this is Survivor wait so

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we got just the intro yeah it's a minute no it goes into it it's the 90s they do

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what am I looking at is this just all commercials yeah it's

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just no it's a recording of friends oh my God and then after friends

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no but after this it's The Simpsons I was never into friends and I never even

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had cable TV yeah so does that not raise

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any questions for you where would I have gotten this tape Z

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bonds no no it probably belongs to my

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high school girlfriend she was into friends

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and for those of you wondering out there this was how we

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um watched TV on demand yeah this is

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Netflix it's Plex actually yeah 90s Plex

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still the commercial yeah oh my god there were so many commercials you see

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the one thing this VCR does not have is

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a commercial Skipper right you remember in the 90s they had those and everybody

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wanted those how did they know I actually did not know that those were a

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thing yeah it was a thing I I honestly don't know the I know the sound mixing

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was like higher for commercials yeah they could detect that I'm just guessing

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right now though well one other thing this has no macro which means I can play

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back and copy over commercial tapes oh

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really yeah so DRM in the 90s was called

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macro Vision this has none of it cool can I just point out how much better

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this looks on the CRT than it does over

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here on the LCD the color's a little off

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but that's just a function of our capture setup but the just that

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it just looks better scan lines versus pixels yeah and and it would look even

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better if it was a direct feed from the VCR yeah and if it wasn't just like a

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crappy copy that my like ex-girlfriend made onto her crappy VHS with her crappy

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player should we call her up see if she wants to copy back I don't think Yvonne

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would like it okay

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if she's watching though um I'll I'll drop it somewhere safe you

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can pick it up uh okay well that was

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that was anticlimactic yeah now we are

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on to the important one uh don't forget us

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we think of you

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to Barney Barney was my Camp name the

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summer camp that I worked at all of the counselors had aliases to make it more

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difficult to track us down after the fact that people were creepy and mine

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was Barney which I chose on a whim at the beginning of Camp

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here's a cassette of all the moments of

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this summer on tem by Barney or on

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tamore something probably Tim I would think basically we love you bye Barney

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but like in a platonic way a more would be like a romantic way that's correct

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right sorry I'm a little rusty haven't touched my French since this tape was

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recorded and then oh in terms of capture do we just start like do we just use OBS

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yeah well I just use OBS I just tweaked a few settings okay uh and I capture it

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525i 525i why yeah uh you don't want to

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upscale as much as possible Right you want it as close to what's coming out

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because that way when it does come time to upscale you don't have your different

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upscaling and processing Technologies fighting with each other by cubic

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bilinear got it okay play I have no idea

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oh my God it's me

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I think we're rehearsing one of the Camp's songs or Camp performances or

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something I have no recollection of this whatsoever though there's a lot there's

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like over an hour's worth of footage really yeah feel free to fast forward if

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you want okay because there's no danger of doing any kind of damage to the tape

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at this point you've already I've already uh copied it and put it through

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a post processing that's necessary de-interlace it should be fine okay I

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believe the songs we're singing here are Star Academy are you familiar with Star

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Academy okay it's kind of a it's kind of a cringy like American Idol thing but

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Quebec Canada only um some good songs actually if you don't

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mind that uh on franciness of them and I remember

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so so little of this can I point out one

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thing yes you see when you fast forward yeah see how you can still see what's

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going on yeah that's your heads that's what the heads do they make it so that

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when you're paused or fast forwarding

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you can see more of what's on screen so like a single head VCR which are like

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dime a dozen you won't be able to see anything I mean this seems like it was

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pretty early in the program is I probably could barely speak anything at

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all what is this I don't know what that run is but apparently it's good so

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um oh no

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I want to come back in

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oh I want her to turn off the camera why oh my God this is like I don't know that

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I have ever been more mortified than

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see 17 year old me oh wait is this it

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yeah oh my God okay

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I love this song

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I'm so awkward

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are you glad we made this a video it's me good

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I will say if any of you are watching

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uh the record day

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Mercy so this would have been at the end then

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because I I was actually interacting with people so I was there a month

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there's kind of a hazing thing at the end I vaguely remember this and mine was

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something to do with the theme that I had or the nickname that I had picked

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oh wait no it's something else what is happening I think it's supposed to be

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purple she's saying it's red um my nickname being Barney I think the

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idea is I'm supposed to go purple with green spots

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I wonder if any of these kids remember the weird like English anglophone at

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their summer camp

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uh-oh do I talk

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I actually don't even understand what I'm saying I know monitors are Camp

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counselors

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the kids apparently are into it

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no no no the thing the kids come up with

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the thing for them to do and she had to propose to one of the other counselors I

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actually do remember that because it was rough

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okay she had to bathe in spaghetti yep

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are we singing again please tell me we're not singing again pretty sure

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you're singing again sorry

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you're singing again I'm clearly I have no idea what's going

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on I'm reading the okay no no we do not need anything again

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oh my God

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okay enough

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if you were ever a kids camp counselor you would do the exact same stuff kids

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love it and if you were like too cool to make a fool of yourself on stage then

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you'd be a crappy camp counselor that's what I'll say everyone at the job was

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not supposed to be allowed to speak English to me because most of them

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actually spoke perfectly good English but that was the whole thing was they

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had to like agree that they would never

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speak English to me and to the credit of the entire counseling team they did not

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do it they were like nope he will learn French or die trying oh my God no no

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this we have to watch this stuff line is just bye

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Grace

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I will be curious to see how much of this I can actually understand when I go

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back to watch it because not gonna lie pretty rough right now now

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that we've captured this what can we do to improve the quality of it like

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obviously this doesn't look great well first off you always keep your master so

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whatever you take off there in the purest form keep it okay do I

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keep the tape too or can I safely get rid of that at this point you can safely

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get rid of it as long as the Masters back it up but I would still keep it

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just in case something happens yeah but then I've seen pictures of your crawl

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space you would keep it should I keep it look

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you got an attic it's free real estate there's a few options for de-interlacing

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sure ID interlaced with topaz Labs gigapixel AI I find it produces the best

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results okay and I also upscale with that software too we've done a video on

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that did you happen to process this in that way it sure did oh so we can look

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at it now yeah we sure can oh cool okay all right so this is this is better yes

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oh my God stop stop I don't want to hear it

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um it's the interlaced oh okay uh it's

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been upscaled but not a lot yeah I guess if you try and do too much you're gonna

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honestly my face is so greasy and shiny

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it looks like running a game from 2003

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at high res you know how the textures are always like exactly like Far Cry one

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oh man put a little bit of foundation have

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killed me yeah it's not bad it's very watchable yep

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I mean the quality not the content necessarily

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this was definitely a cool exercise thank you very much for helping and I

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think it actually leads pretty well into a discussion of you know archival and

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backup strategies and how they're not as bulletproof as we might think they are I

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mean think about yourself like you know once something is in your hand

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reassuringly physical you think of it as backed up right but we often Overlook

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that critical retrieval step

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and it's it's non-trivial to solve that

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problem once not everyone has a VHS player for example and VHS might be my

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parents Generations problem but our generation has its own problems like do

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you still have a DVD player nope and 10 years from now will you have a DVD

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player in your house and then Zoomers you guys are going to come up against

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your own challenges you might think of a cloud backup as a backup but even

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compared to this I would make the argument that that's not a proper

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archival storage medium you don't own it you don't control it and it could be

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wiped out at the whim of Omega Corporation with basically no recourse

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for you so same issue essentially you've got the

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backup but when it comes time to look at it with your kids or your grandkids will

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you actually be able to retrieve it in the way that I retrieved this message to

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