{"video_id":"fKhKlypvtws","title":"A step in the right direction - Nvidia RTX 4070 Super","channel":"ShortCircuit","show":"ShortCircuit","published_at":"2024-05-04T14:58:16Z","duration_s":502,"segments":[{"start_s":0.0,"end_s":4.2,"text":"I think I can speak for all of us when I say that this GPU generation","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":4.2,"end_s":7.4,"text":"has been a little bit less than Super. But not anymore.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":7.4,"end_s":12.4,"text":"Look, the RTX 4070 Super, it's finally here.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":12.4,"end_s":18.16,"text":"And in a cool matte black finish that I think looks really, really slick.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":18.16,"end_s":22.4,"text":"Just like every other Founders Edition box, it's really prone to dropping the GPU","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":22.4,"end_s":24.68,"text":"and inside we get a fancy","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":26.72,"end_s":29.88,"text":"12-volt horsepower adapter, because I like to call it.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":29.88,"end_s":33.12,"text":"The H-Power stands for horse. Obviously the very controversial connector","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":33.12,"end_s":38.16,"text":"that I really wish that they would just ditch at some point. Still sticks out the side, looks ugly as usual.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":38.16,"end_s":41.36,"text":"But you gotta respect sticking to your guns. Let's jump into the specs","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":41.36,"end_s":44.66,"text":"and see how this differs from its older brother.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":44.66,"end_s":49.08,"text":"The new RTX 4070 Super will be using the same GPU chip,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":49.08,"end_s":54.32,"text":"the AD104, that can be found in the 4070 and in the 4070 Ti.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":54.32,"end_s":58.96,"text":"If you remember, the 4070 Ti was originally gonna be called the 4080 12 Gigabyte.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":58.96,"end_s":64.36,"text":"And then everyone got really mad because it's on a different chip than the 4080.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":64.36,"end_s":69.36,"text":"This is the third card that they've released on this chip. So what does the 4070 Super bring?","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":69.36,"end_s":72.6,"text":"Well, it's still cut down compared to the 4070 Ti,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":72.6,"end_s":75.88,"text":"but we see about a 20 to 22% increase across the board","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":75.88,"end_s":79.6,"text":"and pretty much all cores. You got CUDA cores, TENSOR cores,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":79.6,"end_s":82.98,"text":"shader cores, ray tracing cores. We got all of them. We got more of them.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":82.98,"end_s":86.64,"text":"Which basically implies that NVIDIA has been able to improve their yields pretty substantially.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":86.64,"end_s":90.54,"text":"Or maybe they've been struggling to make 4070 Ti's","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":90.54,"end_s":95.24,"text":"because this is cut down from that. The new 4070 Ti Super, yes, I know,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":95.24,"end_s":100.8,"text":"that's kind of a hat on a hat for a name, actually has been moved up to the 4080 die","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":100.8,"end_s":104.24,"text":"and will be cut down from that. That's the AD103.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":104.24,"end_s":110.54,"text":"So now we're never gonna see a card that has a full AD104 chip on it.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":110.54,"end_s":115.04,"text":"Everything is cut down, which is okay. There's lots of times where you have to disable cores","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":115.04,"end_s":120.02,"text":"to get better yields. But NVIDIA hasn't really done much in terms of increasing clock speeds.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":120.02,"end_s":123.72,"text":"The base clock on the 4070 Super is 1,980 megahertz,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":123.72,"end_s":127.66,"text":"a small bump over the 1,920 megahertz on the RTX 4070.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":127.66,"end_s":130.9,"text":"But nothing, no increase to boost clock, which means that NVIDIA is relying","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":130.9,"end_s":134.22,"text":"on the extra silicon on the chip for the performance benefit.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":134.22,"end_s":139.26,"text":"They're also quoting an increased power draw over the 4070, but just by about 10%.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":139.26,"end_s":142.86,"text":"So not a huge increase. And they didn't bother to increase the cooler,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":142.86,"end_s":146.14,"text":"which is totally fine because it's already a relatively low power card.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":146.14,"end_s":150.66,"text":"And these pass-through coolers that NVIDIA made have been doing just fine this entire generation,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":150.66,"end_s":153.9,"text":"keeping everything cool. And I actually like the size of these.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":153.9,"end_s":158.66,"text":"This is a nice dual slot-ish card, and it isn't crazy tall or anything.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":158.66,"end_s":164.7,"text":"It fits into cases, which is what I appreciate. I'm tired of big triple slot cards","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":164.7,"end_s":168.34,"text":"that don't need to be that big because they can be cooled by something this small.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":168.34,"end_s":172.62,"text":"Man, the new like sleek black finish just kind of makes the 4070 look kind of out of date.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":172.62,"end_s":179.06,"text":"I don't know what it is. Maybe I'm just overwhelmed by the shiny new new. Really, there's no difference to IO or anything like that.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":179.06,"end_s":183.94,"text":"There's very, very little difference physically about these cards outside of the cool color.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":183.94,"end_s":187.5,"text":"Yep, we're good. There's not gonna be any bump to VRAM or anything like that,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":187.5,"end_s":190.82,"text":"which is a little bit disappointing because I still think that at the price point","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":190.82,"end_s":194.54,"text":"that these cards exist at, you really should be getting 16 gigs,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":194.54,"end_s":198.82,"text":"especially now that AMD has announced that they're releasing a $300 card with 16 gigabytes.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":198.82,"end_s":204.94,"text":"It's ridiculous. And it's still stocked at that 192-bit bus width.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":204.94,"end_s":210.54,"text":"Unlike the other supers that have been announced in the lineup, this is not replacing this.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":210.54,"end_s":215.74,"text":"These will be sold alongside one another. The 4070 Ti Super will replace the 4070 Ti","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":215.74,"end_s":221.02,"text":"and the 4080 Super will replace the 4080. These, however, are both going to remain in production","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":221.02,"end_s":225.42,"text":"for now. If we walk down the stack, we have the 4070 Super at $600.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":225.42,"end_s":233.3,"text":"At $550, we have the 4070. Then at $500, we have the 4060 Ti 16 Gigabyte","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":233.3,"end_s":239.46,"text":"and then we have a $100 leap all the way down to the 4060 Ti, not just eight gig.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":239.46,"end_s":245.7,"text":"And it feels like that's where the big chasm is. Like why not lower the price of the 4060 Ti 16 gig","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":245.7,"end_s":249.18,"text":"and then insert these into the price stack? That seems to make a lot more sense","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":249.18,"end_s":254.02,"text":"because if this takes place of the 4070 in the product stack and there's that much of a difference between the 4070","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":254.02,"end_s":258.42,"text":"and the 4060 Ti 16 Gigabyte, it kind of makes the 4060 Ti 16 Gigabyte","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":258.42,"end_s":261.66,"text":"seem even more stupid than it already does.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":261.66,"end_s":265.62,"text":"It's like truly got to be one of the worst values","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":265.62,"end_s":271.22,"text":"ever for BC hardware. It's not cool, a 4090, it's kind of cool.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":271.22,"end_s":274.98,"text":"It's just bad. It's like, oh, what an insult.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":274.98,"end_s":279.82,"text":"And it's crazy that you go up two steps and you still don't have access to 16 gigabytes.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":279.82,"end_s":284.22,"text":"Like, NVIDIA, come on.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":284.22,"end_s":291.26,"text":"You have to get the 4070 Ti to get 60, the 4070 Ti Super now to get, oh man, I hate Ti Super.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":292.14,"end_s":295.86,"text":"What a stupid name. All right, we've switched to the other set","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":295.86,"end_s":300.18,"text":"to get this GPU plugged in and we're playing some games. We're playing Cyberpunk on,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":300.18,"end_s":303.94,"text":"let's check the settings right now. What are we at? The highest on Ultra, basically.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":303.94,"end_s":307.14,"text":"With no path tracing yet, but we can do, we can do path tracing and see what happens.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":307.14,"end_s":311.62,"text":"Path tracing card, this is not. I mean, even on the highest end cards in this game,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":311.62,"end_s":315.1,"text":"like you only get like 20 frames per second.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":315.1,"end_s":318.38,"text":"Okay. And we're getting like 23 frames per second","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":318.38,"end_s":321.82,"text":"with everything cranked. It's cinematic, isn't it, Andrew?","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":324.82,"end_s":328.78,"text":"But if we just turn on and go to DLSS","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":328.78,"end_s":333.7,"text":"and you can really see DLSS falling apart, like look at how like it gets nasty when we turn.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":334.58,"end_s":339.22,"text":"When we turn ray tracing off, we're in like the 40, 45 region,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":1},{"start_s":339.22,"end_s":342.34,"text":"which is honestly like completely, this is totally playable.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":342.34,"end_s":346.62,"text":"I'd probably lower the sum of the less, wow. I'd probably lower the settings a little bit further,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":346.62,"end_s":349.62,"text":"but honestly, this is pretty impressive like this.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":349.62,"end_s":354.06,"text":"I'm pretty impressed. I wonder what the thermals are like. You know, we're getting like 70, 70-ish degrees.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":354.06,"end_s":357.62,"text":"And I mean, wow, you know, it's pretty crazy. I mean, I'd expect nothing lasts","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":357.62,"end_s":361.58,"text":"for like a $600 graphics card, but let's see what we got for Mark.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":361.58,"end_s":365.58,"text":"Yeah, 99, 100%, 100.5% power usage.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":365.58,"end_s":369.5,"text":"At the hotspot, we're seeing 80, 205 watts, which is pretty much on spec","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":369.5,"end_s":372.66,"text":"for what they were quoting. It's fun to touch hot electronics, don't you agree?","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":372.66,"end_s":377.46,"text":"It feels surprising to me to see a 70 series card perform so dang well.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":377.46,"end_s":381.74,"text":"They couldn't have really made it look more like a butthole. Whoa!","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":381.74,"end_s":385.82,"text":"Overall in our games at 1080p, we're seeing about a 14% increase","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":385.82,"end_s":392.14,"text":"over the 4070 on the 4070 Super and a 12% performance improvement over the 7800XT.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":392.14,"end_s":397.34,"text":"In our 1% lows in 1080, it's a bit of a tighter race, but I'd say this is more of a 1440p card.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":397.34,"end_s":402.42,"text":"So let's look at what those results show. In 1440p, we see that lead,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":402.42,"end_s":405.86,"text":"especially in the 1% lows, increase over the 4070.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":405.86,"end_s":409.06,"text":"This is probably thanks to the expanded L2 cache","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":409.06,"end_s":413.9,"text":"that's on the 4070 Super. So the 4070 Super is now performing more in line","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":413.9,"end_s":417.56,"text":"with that 20% increase that NVIDIA was quoting.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":417.56,"end_s":421.94,"text":"When we go to DLSS, we see the actual 20%","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":421.94,"end_s":425.26,"text":"that NVIDIA was talking, and they were probably talking about DLSS numbers the whole time,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":425.26,"end_s":429.34,"text":"because that's all they ever want to talk about. We see another 20% increase in ray tracing,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":429.34,"end_s":435.54,"text":"and in 4K, that's where we see the biggest increases over the 4070.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":435.54,"end_s":439.78,"text":"That's about all the analysis we're going to do here. If you want to learn more, just wait for the end of the month","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":439.78,"end_s":443.94,"text":"when we're going to release a video on LTT about all of the Super cards.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":443.94,"end_s":447.3,"text":"And for now, enjoy these graphs, and you can learn a little bit more","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":447.3,"end_s":451.22,"text":"about these cards for yourself. It's a great card, it's still too expensive.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":451.22,"end_s":455.22,"text":"But do you know what is an expensive? Subscribing to ShortCircuit. Thanks so much for watching.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":455.22,"end_s":458.34,"text":"If you want to watch more GPU videos on ShortCircuit,","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":458.34,"end_s":459.74,"text":"Jake and Linus have done them.","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0}],"full_text":"I think I can speak for all of us when I say that this GPU generation has been a little bit less than Super. But not anymore. Look, the RTX 4070 Super, it's finally here. And in a cool matte black finish that I think looks really, really slick. Just like every other Founders Edition box, it's really prone to dropping the GPU and inside we get a fancy 12-volt horsepower adapter, because I like to call it. The H-Power stands for horse. Obviously the very controversial connector that I really wish that they would just ditch at some point. Still sticks out the side, looks ugly as usual. But you gotta respect sticking to your guns. Let's jump into the specs and see how this differs from its older brother. The new RTX 4070 Super will be using the same GPU chip, the AD104, that can be found in the 4070 and in the 4070 Ti. If you remember, the 4070 Ti was originally gonna be called the 4080 12 Gigabyte. And then everyone got really mad because it's on a different chip than the 4080. This is the third card that they've released on this chip. So what does the 4070 Super bring? Well, it's still cut down compared to the 4070 Ti, but we see about a 20 to 22% increase across the board and pretty much all cores. You got CUDA cores, TENSOR cores, shader cores, ray tracing cores. We got all of them. We got more of them. Which basically implies that NVIDIA has been able to improve their yields pretty substantially. Or maybe they've been struggling to make 4070 Ti's because this is cut down from that. The new 4070 Ti Super, yes, I know, that's kind of a hat on a hat for a name, actually has been moved up to the 4080 die and will be cut down from that. That's the AD103. So now we're never gonna see a card that has a full AD104 chip on it. Everything is cut down, which is okay. There's lots of times where you have to disable cores to get better yields. But NVIDIA hasn't really done much in terms of increasing clock speeds. The base clock on the 4070 Super is 1,980 megahertz, a small bump over the 1,920 megahertz on the RTX 4070. But nothing, no increase to boost clock, which means that NVIDIA is relying on the extra silicon on the chip for the performance benefit. They're also quoting an increased power draw over the 4070, but just by about 10%. So not a huge increase. And they didn't bother to increase the cooler, which is totally fine because it's already a relatively low power card. And these pass-through coolers that NVIDIA made have been doing just fine this entire generation, keeping everything cool. And I actually like the size of these. This is a nice dual slot-ish card, and it isn't crazy tall or anything. It fits into cases, which is what I appreciate. I'm tired of big triple slot cards that don't need to be that big because they can be cooled by something this small. Man, the new like sleek black finish just kind of makes the 4070 look kind of out of date. I don't know what it is. Maybe I'm just overwhelmed by the shiny new new. Really, there's no difference to IO or anything like that. There's very, very little difference physically about these cards outside of the cool color. Yep, we're good. There's not gonna be any bump to VRAM or anything like that, which is a little bit disappointing because I still think that at the price point that these cards exist at, you really should be getting 16 gigs, especially now that AMD has announced that they're releasing a $300 card with 16 gigabytes. It's ridiculous. And it's still stocked at that 192-bit bus width. Unlike the other supers that have been announced in the lineup, this is not replacing this. These will be sold alongside one another. The 4070 Ti Super will replace the 4070 Ti and the 4080 Super will replace the 4080. These, however, are both going to remain in production for now. If we walk down the stack, we have the 4070 Super at $600. At $550, we have the 4070. Then at $500, we have the 4060 Ti 16 Gigabyte and then we have a $100 leap all the way down to the 4060 Ti, not just eight gig. And it feels like that's where the big chasm is. Like why not lower the price of the 4060 Ti 16 gig and then insert these into the price stack? That seems to make a lot more sense because if this takes place of the 4070 in the product stack and there's that much of a difference between the 4070 and the 4060 Ti 16 Gigabyte, it kind of makes the 4060 Ti 16 Gigabyte seem even more stupid than it already does. It's like truly got to be one of the worst values ever for BC hardware. It's not cool, a 4090, it's kind of cool. It's just bad. It's like, oh, what an insult. And it's crazy that you go up two steps and you still don't have access to 16 gigabytes. Like, NVIDIA, come on. You have to get the 4070 Ti to get 60, the 4070 Ti Super now to get, oh man, I hate Ti Super. What a stupid name. All right, we've switched to the other set to get this GPU plugged in and we're playing some games. We're playing Cyberpunk on, let's check the settings right now. What are we at? The highest on Ultra, basically. With no path tracing yet, but we can do, we can do path tracing and see what happens. Path tracing card, this is not. I mean, even on the highest end cards in this game, like you only get like 20 frames per second. Okay. And we're getting like 23 frames per second with everything cranked. It's cinematic, isn't it, Andrew? But if we just turn on and go to DLSS and you can really see DLSS falling apart, like look at how like it gets nasty when we turn. When we turn ray tracing off, we're in like the 40, 45 region, which is honestly like completely, this is totally playable. I'd probably lower the sum of the less, wow. I'd probably lower the settings a little bit further, but honestly, this is pretty impressive like this. I'm pretty impressed. I wonder what the thermals are like. You know, we're getting like 70, 70-ish degrees. And I mean, wow, you know, it's pretty crazy. I mean, I'd expect nothing lasts for like a $600 graphics card, but let's see what we got for Mark. Yeah, 99, 100%, 100.5% power usage. At the hotspot, we're seeing 80, 205 watts, which is pretty much on spec for what they were quoting. It's fun to touch hot electronics, don't you agree? It feels surprising to me to see a 70 series card perform so dang well. They couldn't have really made it look more like a butthole. Whoa! Overall in our games at 1080p, we're seeing about a 14% increase over the 4070 on the 4070 Super and a 12% performance improvement over the 7800XT. In our 1% lows in 1080, it's a bit of a tighter race, but I'd say this is more of a 1440p card. So let's look at what those results show. In 1440p, we see that lead, especially in the 1% lows, increase over the 4070. This is probably thanks to the expanded L2 cache that's on the 4070 Super. So the 4070 Super is now performing more in line with that 20% increase that NVIDIA was quoting. When we go to DLSS, we see the actual 20% that NVIDIA was talking, and they were probably talking about DLSS numbers the whole time, because that's all they ever want to talk about. We see another 20% increase in ray tracing, and in 4K, that's where we see the biggest increases over the 4070. That's about all the analysis we're going to do here. If you want to learn more, just wait for the end of the month when we're going to release a video on LTT about all of the Super cards. And for now, enjoy these graphs, and you can learn a little bit more about these cards for yourself. It's a great card, it's still too expensive. But do you know what is an expensive? Subscribing to ShortCircuit. Thanks so much for watching. If you want to watch more GPU videos on ShortCircuit, Jake and Linus have done them."}