{"video_id":"eceLjpKUyg4","title":"MSI vs EVGA for GTX 580 & Other Cards + Some Ramblings Linus Tech Tips","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2011-05-08T14:53:29Z","duration_s":380,"segments":[{"start_s":0.76,"end_s":8.719,"text":"I get any number of inquiries about uh which brand of video card should I","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":4.88,"end_s":12.24,"text":"choose I want to get a a GTX 580 or I","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":8.719,"end_s":14.4,"text":"want to get a Ron 5770 what whatever","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":12.24,"end_s":18.92,"text":"whatever card you're looking at and you want to know which brand to choose so uh","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":16.68,"end_s":24.64,"text":"for the launch of the GTX 580 I happen to have the luxury of having two cards","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":21.519,"end_s":27.679,"text":"to compare so I have one from EVGA 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they are quite literally exactly the same thing there is no quality difference between an MSI GTX 580 and an EVGA GTX 580 none whatsoever so put that out of your mind so some of the ways that you can differentiate is in terms of the other ways that the brands differentiate each other from each other that's awkward anyway so MSI has a three-year warranty and EVGA has a lifetime warranty if you register so there's uh one tick boox for EVGA uh MSI's card actually comes with a slightly better accessory package although I do mean slightly it comes with a long HDMI cable about a 6t cable versus the EVGA 1 comes with one that's about this long so that's a mini HDMI to HDMI cable and the MSI 1 also comes with my preferred type of six pin to eight pin so it just has a single six pin on the one side that goes to a single eight pin on the other side whereas EVGA uses one of those dual six pin to 8 Pin adapters that I'm not all that fond of now in terms of connectivity overclocking results etc etc it's all luck of the draw except remember these two are just reference products both of these manufacturers will release all kinds of different non-referenced products so EVGA for example on the GTX 460 has their external exhaust version they've got any number of overclocked skews so that is they have GTX 460s that are overclocked out of the box now you do pay a slight premium for them but that means that you're getting a higher speed bin and if you don't know what a speed bin is go ahead and check out my NCI Tech tips episode on the process of binning and that'll explain what that means but you're basically getting like a higher a higher graded chip okay because it passed at a higher speed you're getting um yeah well basically that's it when you buy a factory overclock card that's what you get and MSI also does some pretty unique Solutions as well so you can see here I've actually got some MSI GTX 460 Hawk edition cards so these guys have triple overvoltage so that means you can overvolt the GPU the RAM as well as the uh GPU PLL voltage so you can get some great overclocks it's actually got a uh a switch on the back where is it right there where you can even change the voltages so that you can go even higher and get real crazy uh aftermarket cooler so uh oh yeah EVGA like I said they have their external exhaust coolers versus the reference one MSI's got the twin frozer too they've got the Cyclone all kinds of unique stuff that these particular vendors are doing now they also have some software differences although they aren't really differences evga's got their Precision Tool which is for overclocking and tweaking all that good stuff monitoring your temperatures fan speeds and MSI has afterburner which is a fairly similar uh utility now bear in mind that both EVGA and MSI have graciously allowed uh all other board Partners to use their particular software so you can actually buy any card and use MSI After Burner and the same goes for EVGA Precision which is pretty cool of both of them to do that uh EVGA also has their 247 tech support as well as their uh where is the uh the terms and conditions for that one I believe they still do offer a tradein program if something newer and faster comes out so that you can uh you can trade in your old card got some little bragging on on the side of their box here which is uh definitely some interesting stuff there you go evga's number one and then what do we have on the MSI box not a whole lot there just I mean these are reference cards so it becomes very difficult to differentiate so like I said I've brought up a bunch of different things that both of these brands do to separate their products from the other NVIDIA partners for these particular cards it's going to come down to uh what kind of price how much of a value you put on the uh the value ads that each of these board Partners have attached to their GTX 580 and your personal preference because really nobody can tell you what experience you've had in the past with MSI or what experience you've had in the past with EVGA I mean there's all kinds of different factors like you could go oh I got an MSI Motherboard and it's great so I want to buy an MSI product great good for you but that's no reason why you can't use an EVGA card on an MSI Motherboard and similarly if you have AMD chipset there's no reason you can't use an NVIDIA card and the other way around you got EVGA board you want to throw a Missi card in it no problem so there you go there is my little guide on EVGA versus MSI as far as being NVIDIA board Partners go oh yeah I should have probably mentioned my my one of my personal favorite ways to pick uh video cards is based on the aesthetic of it you know whether you like the EVGA sticker or you like the uh the MS size sticker better can actually make a difference to people and you can even run into differences a little bit later when we're not all using reference cards uh where you know some will have a green PCB some will have a black PCB so uh so yeah and yeah like I said it's a goofy thing but that that is actually something that factors in for me personally"}