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the allnew framework 16 is here and I am super excited about it not only because

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I invested my own money in this company and I want them to succeed but because

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it has several tricks up its sleeve that are genuinely nutty that's right for

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years companies have struggled to make an upgradable laptop at all let alone

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one meant for gaming but it's finally here and did I mention that every single

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part of this machine can be purchased individually on their store and rep

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placed by the end user what world is this unfortunately a world where trying

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to be objective doesn't change the fact that I have a vested interest in

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framework success which makes reviewing their products a bit tricky so I don't

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want you to take my word for it the rest of the script I haven't even read it to

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recuse myself from our review Alex our resident laptop connoisseur Jake who

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actually holds an active framework 16 pre-order and John from the lab are

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going to be telling you guys all about it both the good and the bad um fingers

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crossed that they didn't bite off more than they can chew with this thing

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unlike this easily digestible segue to our sponsor seic their Prime tx1000 wat

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12-year warranty which is why I love them more than my own son I mean I go

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back and forth he's only three he's not going to see this learn more at sees

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sonic.com or the link below let's start with the framework 16's key party trick

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unlike every other laptop I've used everything on the surface is modular

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save the power button up here that has a fingerprint sensor in it you can adjust

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the keyboard and trackpad positioning you can add a num pad or a macro pad on

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the right here or the left if you want or if that macropad isn't flashy enough

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for you they even have these led Matrix displays do these do anything besides

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reducing battery life no do I really

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like them yes now all of this modularity

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I would classify as neat however the

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other new party trick the bespoke upgradeable removable discret AMD

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graphics card is so sick many companies

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have attempted to put upgradeable Graphics in a laptop in the past but the

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upgrade operation has never been something that I'd recommend the average

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Tech Enthusiast to undertake framework however says the GPU swap can be done in

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a couple minutes so let's test that theory first power down the system then

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unlock the tabs and take off the touchpad and the keyboard

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open the little plastic flap here covering the custom interposer and

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unscrew these four T5 screws and remove it from the system framework includes a

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screwdriver with this laptop but the noock with Screwdriver from LTT

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store.com is a little bit nicer thankfully these screws are captive so

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you'll be hardpressed to lose them just make sure you don't lose the interposer

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itself I'd recommend screwing it back into the GPU once you have that out

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speaking of which just remove two more screws and the entire GPU should slide

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out damn

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look at that now it isn't quite as easy

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as they made it look on the website it isn't like a Game Boy cartridge but at

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the same time compared to every other GPU swap on a laptop I've done holy heck

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this was seamless and if you don't want a GPU you can just save over half a

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pound of weight and an inch of length by just not having a GPU anymore but all of

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this modularity comes at a steep price possibly for my boss because the key

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keyboard on the framework 16 is frankly unacceptable for a laptop of this price

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the closest comparison I have is the Acer Nitro 5 which starts at

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$750 and it is just okay at

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$750 while testing the framework 16 I wasn't able to get up to my full typing

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speed in particular while doing really quick double presses due to the chassis

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Flex a huge disappointment compared to the excellent keyboard on the framework

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13 but it isn't all bad news see the

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problem here here is the mid plate particularly in this area and with the

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keyboard off you can really just see how

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not supportive this super thin piece of

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metal is fortunately this being a framework disassembling only takes about

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a minute and we were able to chuck some thermal pads in the areas where it was

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squishiest and holy crap that is so much

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better the amount that the chassis Flex influences the feel of your keyboard is

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huge and the difference that this mod has made is just night and day with the

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thermal pads in there this keyboard isn't quite on the level of ASUS or

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alien wear but it comfortably beats MSI and razor and brings it much more in

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line with the price while you're modifying things you might want to use a couple pieces of electrical tape to

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remedy some of the small but visible gaps between the modules but at least

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the trackpad down here is excellent It's glass topped with accurate and

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responsive tracking I just wish it was a little bit B bigger another sacrifice

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for the modularity one decision I really

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don't understand though are the speakers which fire out from the sides instead of

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like up at you or bouncing off of the table like everything else that sounds

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good for comparison here's a similarly priced Lenovo Legion slim

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7i okay the Lenovo the Lenovo is not too

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bad little bit quiet but I would say perfectly acceptable and the framework

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is uh

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it's not the worst I've ever heard but it lacks um treble and bass and

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staging get yourself a Bluetooth speaker

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what is really good though is the dedicated GPU output on the back this is

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wired directly to the GPU now Jake wrote here that he wants me to complain about

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this not being a fulls siiz DisplayPort but personally I think this typc is fine

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so uh one second I'm stupid BMW drivers

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great car we asked and they said that they

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tried it just wouldn't fit with the giant heat pipes they're using to cool

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it but for sakes guys you founded your

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company on a laptop with modular IO meant to solve the dongle crisis and

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you're telling me I need to carry one again wait a second modular

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iio no way I don't know how I didn't think about

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that we got to see if this works no way

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look at that John didn't believe it 4K 120 baby nice which is how I describe

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the io situation in general with two more IO slots than the 13 it has the

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capacity to connect virtually any device you can think of they have modules for

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USBC capable of 240 W charging usba a

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DisplayPort HDMI 2.0 micro SD 2.5 gig

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Ethernet audio and expanded storage but

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they also release the design so literally anyone with the right skills

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can design and sell their own modules including for the GPU slot now even when

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there isn't a GPU installed some of that space is occupied by the CPUs cooling

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fans but they've already released a reference dual SSD design as an example

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I'm just excited to have a place to put my Mountain Dew without sacrificing I/O

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coming from an Intel based MacBook Pro with a grand total of four USB type-c

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ports this was the biggest breath of fresh air across my entire experience

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sure Apple just including decent IO would fix most of that but if your needs

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change or you want to do something silly like running four displays off your

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laptop you don't need a dongle at least not an external one now speaking of

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external the power brick is this cute little 180 W gallium nitride unit and

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it's the highest wattage type-c charger I've ever heard of and a far cry at

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least in terms of size for most gaming laptop power brakes good job there

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framework also improved from their first laptop is the disassembly experience

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since all of the screws are accessible from the top of the laptop so replacing

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any part of this laptop is an absolute Joy now if you're not an experienced

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tinkerer framework has guides for replacing literally every part of the

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laptop that's because if you're a nerd you can buy this laptop IKEA style and

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put it together yourself and I take assembling a framework laptop over doing

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Ikea furniture any day of the week if you missed our framework factory tour a

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little tidbit is that they actually pre-assemble the DIY Edition laptops for

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QC and stress testing and then they get taken apart before shipping so you can

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build it yourself don't believe it's that easy well it took about this long

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to get the entire laptop to Pieces we've got the 85w battery Wi-Fi 6E module a

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Radeon RX 7700s inside the GPU module a

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ryzen 78 or 7940 HS powered main board

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two ddr5 sodm slots two gen 4 m.2 slots

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and if you're not happy with the configurations you can see on screen here the DIY Edition can be ordered in

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pretty much any config you want or Bare Bones and you can supply your own

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storage and ramp which made picking laptops to Benchmark against uh a little

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tricky to see what you can get in a similarly priced and classed bigname

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laptop we opted for an Intel NVIDIA spec Lenovo Legion slim 7i and to make sure

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our framework is performing as it should an ASUS tough a16 it's cheaper and it

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was supposed to be the same specs as the framework 16 that was until they shipped

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the lower end model for the Press unit the differences between the CPUs are

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minor so it should still tell us if the framework is performing up to Snuff

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despite those differences every game is actually a pretty tight race in cyber

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Punk nearly maxed out at 1080p the Intel based Lenovo is slightly ahead in

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average FPS with both itself and the AMD based ASUS model beating the framework

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by one frame and 1% lows in f123 Intel's

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Gap widens a bit while the framework makes a modest showing in second place

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surprisingly beating out the on paper faster ASUS to no one's surprise in

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Total War Warhammer 3 the 470 wins again

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but our framework squeaks past the ASUS again too it's hard to say what exactly

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is giving it the advantage in these games but the faster memory and better

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cooling on the framework likely has something to do with it as for productivity the framework 16 loses

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handily in cin bench both single and multi-core but no surprises there as the

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ASUS has a lot more thermal head room when it doesn't have to cool a GPU at

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the same time in blender our ASUS laptop crushes the framework across the board

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despite the only real difference being a slightly higher Bas and boost clock and

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the same can be said for video encoding with handbrake and in media editing with

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Premier and photo shop overall not a lot of surprises here the faster CPU in the

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ASUS shines in productivity but we expect the higher-end framework would

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yield the same result as for gaming yeah

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it's not a great price to Performance option but it's not terrible either it's

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just that if you want the most frames for your money this isn't the laptop to

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buy also you should probably just buy a desktop but if you do buy one or really

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any electronic you care about you should protect it with a skin and dbrand

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sponsored this portion of the video so lonus could show you how being a

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relatively new company not many third parties are making accessories for

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framework machines but the brand sure is

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and they're going to be ready for launch day they sent over two so I guess I get

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to pick whichever one would be easier for case toy to rip

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off allegedly oh they're both the same

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my notes say look how accurate these internals are no wonder they got so

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pissed they got ripped off but I actually haven't had this thing open yet

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so maybe probably while I completely ignore

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D Brand's explicit instructions for how to do this and make up my own method

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always check their site and make sure that you do it the right way what am I

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supposed to be saying though I know they're paying me to put a skin on a

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laptop right now but this is my favorite kind of integration we're all working

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together to promote something we believe in yeah yeah as both an investor and

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hobbyist hey thanks dbrand shout out so I think I've got

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it pretty decently lined up right now uh

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there's no way this battery is made in Canada that's got to be any egg

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framework's Canadian there are Canadian Bros did I say framework

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D framework's not Canadian oh it's not

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quite straight A okay okay I'm ready to submit

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for inspection how' I do just don't look

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right there just don't look right where don't worry about it don't right where

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oh where it's not bad pretty flat yeah

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yeah oh hey 5'1 line it oh I know when

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I'm insulted check out dbrand at the link down below over to you John

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framework did great in our battery endurance test both with and without the

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GPU beating ASUS and Lenovo by a few

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hours the combuster stress test was a lot closer but it still won and if you

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rip out the GPU you'll get even more battery life however none of these

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laptops are industry-leading for battery life but if the battery in the framework

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starts to struggle after after a few years at least you can easily replace it

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as for cooling they partnered with Cooler Master to design this gigantic

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heat pipe array which paired with the liquid metal resulted in combuster

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tempts that absolutely crushed the a16 from ASUS which is running the exact

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same RX 7700s the framework did Peak higher than

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the lenovo's RTX 470 but once the fans

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ramped up it held its own it's important to mention that the Lenovo unit was

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repaced with noct nth1 in a previous project so it could be possible that the

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framework would look even better here to a factory Lenovo remember the F1 stress

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test the framework performs exceptionally well staying under 65 Dees

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on the CPU while the ASUS and the Lenovo

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are both hitting over 70 or even

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80° and that's while maintaining a very

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solid 4.1 GHz on the average clock speed

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while the a16 averaged closer to 2.7

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yikes to be fair we ran all these laptops in their default power

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configurations but the tough a16s Radeon

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7700s is reporting 80° average on the

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core and 93 on the Hotpot the framework

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kept to a much more reasonable 68 and 80 Dees respectively the webcam and

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microphone which use the same module as the framework 13 very cool look and

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sound like this at least with a big Studio light in front of me and if you

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shut it off like this and a pretty dim crappy

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environment not great not terrible and I did anecdotally hear that the microphone

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sounded better than my airpods Pro too so cool and they do at least have

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physical shut off switches which is a nice touch and we haven't even talked

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about the display the framework 16 holds its own when it comes to color accuracy

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reaching an average SDR Delta of 1.5 and

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a Max of 2.8 in part thanks to Windows Auto color management system which only

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seems to support a few select displays it ships with it turned off making the

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number numbers much worse so we'd recommend using it the display is bright

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enough for outdoors at over 500 nits motion Clarity is decent enough at 165

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HZ which is great for gaming but there are a couple of issues that are a bit

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hard to ignore like the honestly kind of mid uniformity that results in visible

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vignetting on web pages and solid backgrounds and somehow our unit's panel

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was pinched under the removable plastic bezel for some reason it kind of looks

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like you could move it around but ah this leads me to the price as configured

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ignoring extra accessories like the expansion shell which isn't included if

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you spec a GPU and cost $100 on its own

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this is a $2,200 laptop they're not

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gouging remember it's a small company building an entirely bespoke laptop that

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genuinely could and seems to already be changing an entire

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industry but it's not cheap either the

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keyboard stability and display uniform it are things that would normally be a

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deal breaker for me especially at this price point and I wouldn't blame you for

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feeling the same but here's the thing fixing the keyboard is probably

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something you can DIY as Alex showed earlier and assuming framework either

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fixes the issues or comes up with a panel upgrade down the road I can

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probably live with that display for a while for the utter flexibility

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repairability and the simple fact that this could be theoretically the last

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gaming laptop I'd ever need to buy that's pretty freaking cool so as long

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as framework stays in business and follows through with their promises I

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mean they already have a history of doing so when the CPU is too outdated or

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the GPU isn't strong enough for new games or the keyboard gets gunked up and

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the battery dies it's an easy swap instead of chucking away an entire

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machine you could have your very own laptop of thesis and I can't wait to see

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what the future holds all that's left is to decide if I want to keep my pre-order

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but think of the modules Jake right and

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maybe they can make a module that would help me segue to our sponsor Jawa we've

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