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it isn't that I get my kicks out of reigning on Intel's parade

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and honestly speaking the 13th gen CPU announcement went pretty well overall

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turns out you can still use last gen ddr4 memory if you want to save a buck

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can I get a whoo and some of the gaming performance they

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showed off was impressive to say the least I mean if the 13 600k gets

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anywhere close to the numbers that the 13900k can do Intel could absolutely

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clean up for Gamers on a budget but

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during the presentation Intel created some serious trust problems that are

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making it difficult for us to take everything at face value first there's

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this fine print right here you see that why on Earth are they using mid-tier

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memory on both of the competing platforms and now that I think of it

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they've got another big problem not only is the ryzen 5950x not running at its

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full potential but it's not even AMD's

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competitor to 13th gen I mean to be clear I don't exactly blame Intel for

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the awkward timing but AMD lifted the Embargo yesterday on their lineup of

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much improved ryzen 7000 series processors and yeah those are

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conspicuously absent from any of Intel's messaging but what isn't absent is our

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does know how to do a lot more than charge they phone Eat Hot Chip and lie

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and today's announcement gave us a bunch of stuff

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and today's announcement gave us a bunch of stuff to talk about that isn't the

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13900k their extreme tuning utility or

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XTU tool has been improved they showed off Intel Unison which makes working

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across multiple devices more seamless and they casually announced that their

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Arc a770 GPU is on its way to the masses

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for just 330 US dollars but enough about that let's talk about the sweet sweet

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gains that we're getting with this CPU generation the flagship 13900k is

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getting eight more efficiency or e-course eight more total threads and an

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extra 600 megahertz of turbo for a total

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of 24 cores and up to a whopping 5.8

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gigahertz not only that but CEO Pat gelsinger mentioned that six plus

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gigahertz could be coming early next year maybe a 13 900 KS once AMD brings

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the heat with 3D V cash who knows moving down the stack we've got the 13700k with

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four more cores and threads and 400 megahertz more turbo then finally our

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beloved Core i5 the 13600k is also

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getting four more cores and threads with a 200 megahertz clock speed boost while

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turboing though of course like all k-series skus it's going to be

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overclockable so uh who knows where we end up oh and across the board we're

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getting more cash per core cluster for both the e-cores I mentioned before and

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the new higher performance P course as well and of course like last gen the

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best value parts may actually be the non-k ones that Intel isn't talking

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about today they didn't share really many details about them but they did

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confirm that the rest of the core i5 lineup will also no longer be PE course

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only on paper 13th gen kinda sounds too good

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to be true up to 24 cores almost 6

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gigahertz like is there a downside like maybe a burning hole in your motherboard

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where the socket used to be apparently no thanks to their upgraded Intel 7

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manufacturing process Intel claims that 13th gen is actually a step forward in

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performance per watt so of course that won't be impressive until we know what

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that performance is let's talk about graphs right out of the gate Intel is

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claiming that in some games they are seeing a 24 improvement over the 12900k

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good gravy the 12900k is already blazing

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fast unfortunately what they glossed over just a little is that you cannot

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expect this to be across the board Horizon zero Dawn actually performed

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slightly worse somehow and several other games performed either the same as last

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gen or only slightly better now to be

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fair most titles did demonstrate some kind of uplift and I guess they deserve

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credit for showing us the less impressive results I mean Horizon zero

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Dawn isn't even a particularly cranked game they could have just excluded it

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but anywho the point is that that 24 Improvement is actually exclusive to

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League of Legends and similar improvements were found in other

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lightish and Esports titles but when it comes to AAA games where you really

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actually do need another 20 FPS ah the

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data was underwhelming to say the least though it does kind of make me wonder if

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both AMD and Intel kind of jumped the

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gun on these launches and if they would have been better served by waiting for

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40 90 as well as Radeon 7000 to be

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generally available so that they could really let these new CPUs stretch their

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wings I mean half the problem here could be that GPU bottlenecks are hiding

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performance jumps we would otherwise see on the subject of hiding things Intel

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was happy to compare against their last gen top of the line and AMD's price

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competitive 5950x but as we outlined in

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our ryzen 7000 review yesterday the real gaming champion of

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last generation was the ryzen 5800 X 3D

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to Intel's credit they did test against it and they did include it in some of

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their performance graphs but notably not

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in the one percent lows graph and in the

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weirdest possible way when they did like clearly it would have been too cluttered

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to just add a fourth bar here right a long uncomfortable fourth bar

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of course that's not even the issue we started with here if you check the fine

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print you'll notice that the test benches are mostly the same but memory

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speeds are kind of all over the place now part of this is unavoidable you

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can't RAM ddr5 into an am4 board pun

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intended but even considering the challenges I do have some questions

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about Intel's configurations the 13900k

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was tested with ddr5 at 5600 Mega transfers per second c28 that is fast

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premium memory for the 12 900k they went

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with 4 800 Mega transfer per second c28

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it's not trashed here by any stretch but it is significantly slower when faster

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kits have existed for a year and are widely in use on 12th gen platforms but

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wait there's more the AMD processors were tested on a hyper expensive ASUS

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Crosshair motherboard and yet Intel claims that 3200 Mega transfer per

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second was the fastest memory supported and so that's what they used except

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um it's pretty well known that AMD takes great advantage of fast ddr4 with the

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point of diminishing returns being more like the 3600 range they also mentioned

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the lower power limit of 105 Watts TDP

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so is AMD's precision boost overdrive

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enabled we reached out to Intel and we'll include a response and a pinned

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comment once we get it but either way it's something that should have been

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disclosed to be clear this chicanery persists across the entire industry and

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it's a big part of why LTT and other tech review channels get to exist so

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um yay no all right I mean I I get it whenever

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a company is going to show off their latest and greatest whether it's AMD NVIDIA or anyone else they are going to

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want to cherry pick ing at you Apple so to know how these

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products really stack up you're gonna have to wait a little longer for our full review but that doesn't make these

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announcements pointless because they often inform how we can best evaluate a

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product and it looks like we might actually have to rethink how we go about

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multitasking benchmarking thanks to a little bit of magic called Intel hybrid

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technology they're calling users who want to do it all at the same time Mega

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taskers you know gaming streaming recording maybe even running a render in

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the background and they're saying that 13th gen can do it all at once without a

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hitch it kinda sounds like nonsense but

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this demo they ran is pretty cool they utilized p-course the performance course

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to render an animation in one program then minimize that program and brought

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Unreal Engine 5 to the foreground and started building lighting at this point

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the P cores change gears and swap to handle ue5 while the e-cores pick up the

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rendering slack and chug along in the back background that is pretty wild

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stuff if you've ever hit the build button and then had to walk away because

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your PC basically became unusable for 20 minutes well now you can hit build and

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then check out exclusive LTT content on Floatplane.com while you wait like this

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extra hour of footage from the build with my sister back to the CPU though

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what's really impressive is the efficiency gains the numbers Intel

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showing are with the 13900k running at about 12 more watts than the 12900k so

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yes power consumption really did go up

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but according to this graph that's only

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because they're pushing it to the red line and if you don't do that efficiency

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is also way up so you under volters out

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there could have an absolute field day with this platform they claim validation

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absolutely needed that at just 65 Watts

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the 13 900k can match a 12 900k at 240

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Watts that's a quarter of the power that could mean that our lower TDP chips like

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core i5s and core i3s might absolutely

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rip and without turning your system into a space heater and it gets better

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remember how they wouldn't confirm early on whether ddr4 would be supported on

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13th gen Raptor Lake well it looks like

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it is going to be a thing at least until the end of this socket cycle so if you

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like me are disappointed by the lack of both lakes and Raptors at least we can

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both be excited about what this means for Budget oriented Gamers let's say you

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haven't upgraded in years you're still running a 6700k or a 1700x maybe even

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older how do you modernize well grab a

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new chip grab a board maybe a cooler adapter bracket throw in your old RAM

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even if it might cost you a little bit of performance and you're off to the

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races for under 500 bucks for a platform upgrade want to save another Buck well

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the z790 platform improvements aren't really all that huge for most people

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like we're talking a few more PCIe Gen 4 Lanes you know maybe for some more

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storage and some more USB 20 gigabit ports so you could grab a last gen z690

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or even a budget b660 board and call it

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a day that is on all brand new all readily available Hardware once 13th gen

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releases on October 20th and if you're just a baller who wants z790 and 3900k

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with the latest and greatest ddr5 well the core I9 this generation is only 590

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dollars that's still a lot of money but it's over a hundred dollars cheaper than

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the 7950x giving you plenty left over to pick up a Wan hoodie from lttstore.com

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obviously and I can't State this enough we need to do our own testing for our

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full review which is on its way and we will be sure to give the competition a

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fair Shake by the way but so far the improvements to 13th gen do look

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extremely promising we've been impressed by the performance of 12th gen for the

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last year despite the absolutely Bonkers temperatures that Intel just seems to

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ignore particularly the 12 700k when it

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comes to gaming that thing is not and if Intel has also managed to put out the

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Inferno while improving performance could be a no-brainer or is it I mean on

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the AMD side you might pay extra but you'll be in on the ground floor of

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hopefully another long-lived socket or maybe that doesn't matter to you because

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you only upgrade every five years anyway either way it is nice to have so much

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anywho if you enjoyed this make sure to check out our ryzen 7000 review that

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