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Costco's electronics department used to be pretty much TVs, some iPods, and a

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mobile phone [music] kiosk. But the last time I was here, I couldn't help noticing that they have so much more

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now. They've got gaming PCs, gaming monitors, and even all kinds of gaming

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peripherals, which got me wondering, is Costco the new cheat code to get a

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gaming PC at a fair price? Or is it a trap for people to be lured in by the

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convenience of getting their giant slab of meat and a lean, mean gaming PC in

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one, admittedly, pretty arduous trip. To find out, David and I are here at the

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local Costco with one simple goal, to walk out with the best deal we can get

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on a gaming PC. And maybe food samples.

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to get started today. Welcome to Costco.

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I love you.

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Hey. 100 bucks off Apple Watch, no deals on

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gaming PCs. But we do have some options. That's a

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card you want to take. [music] Why buy computers at Costco, Linus? 90-day return policy, free tech support, 2-year

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warranty, and okay, this >> Free bloatware, yay.

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>> Okay, well, we're buying a computer, so >> So, I'm going to grab one of these. And

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then, in terms of our options, we've got AMD with a Radeon GPU and Intel with a

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GeForce GPU. Both are a pretty similar class of machine, which makes the

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difference in price a little bit confu-

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This one's got 32 gigs of DDR5. That's

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on top of having a higher class CPU, not to mention a GPU with 16 gigs of VRAM.

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Meanwhile, over here, we've only got a single 16 gig stick.

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With actually also a lower tier cooler,

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not to mention a little bit less RGB. [music] One extra side of glass panels,

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though. I mean, yeah, that's true, but I'd

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rather have the mesh to be honest with you. You think it's the same power supply in

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both? Hard to say what power supply is in here. >> I mean, the boxes are right here. Does

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it say on the box? >> Costco only gives us so many specs. Let's have a look. This is the Oh.

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Wait, what? >> even have any of the AMD ones in stock?

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Sorry, the specs are on the other side, I think. Nope, that's the Intel GeForce one.

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[music] No.

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Intel GeForce. Do you think I could get a deal on a floor model? We can ask. It

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didn't even occur to me to like ask if someone can help me with my purchase. I

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mean, it's Costco. Is that a thing? So, there's two machines there. I couldn't

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find any in stock of the higher end one. Um I believe that's the only one left.

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Is there a deal if it's the floor model or no? No, if it's a deleted item, like

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we're not going to carry it anymore, then they'll mark it down. We're going

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to get more stock of it then. Got it. That makes sense. This doesn't have the

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Death Star assignment yet, so Right. >> that, then it'll be marked down. So, in

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a nutshell, I'm going to do my bro a solid over here. Wait, did he say that this means

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[music] that it's an UL A? >> I think he said the Death Star. Oh, this

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could be pretty cool. But, before we try to negotiate a deal on it, I want to see

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how these systems compare to just shopping online. Oh, don't forget that

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that's in Canadian money. Oh, right. Yeah, so this is more like a

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G, and then this is more like 1,300 bucks. And there it is, a 14 400F

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with an RTX 5060, 16 gigs of RAM. Wait.

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This is DDR4. So, we are saving about 30

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US dollars compared to this Stormforce system, and we're getting [music] more

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expansion slots because we've got an ATX motherboard. With that said, we are

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giving up a little bit of capacity on our power supply. And also Ew, is that a

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Raidmax? Here's a slightly better CPU, a little bit more RAM, but still a 5060

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for, you know, couple hundred bucks more. All in all, it looks like we're

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well within the range in terms of pricing. Let's try and get a deal. Hi.

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Long time fan. Buying a PC. Do you know if we can get a discount on it? I'll do

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it for you. Oh, okay. Awesome. Thank you. Don't Don't like tell them who we

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are or anything. Just I just want to be a normal customer. I don't want anything

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special though. Okay. Okay.

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>> [laughter] >> 10% that's our normal. 10%? All right.

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We got our deal. It's their standard 10% discount compared to the retail price,

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which means that we are only paying $275

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for an additional 16 gigs of RAM, an

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additional 8 gigs of VRAM, not to mention a better CPU, and probably

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a better power supply. However, the one thing giving me pause

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is DLSS 4.5. If I hadn't tried it, I'd been like

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I'll take the superior raster performance, not to mention AMD's fine

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wine driver development. Well, turns out NVIDIA's got some fine wine of their

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own. And DLSS 4.5 is freaking awesome.

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However, I could probably rip a stick of RAM out

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of this thing, sell it, sell that GPU, and get an NVIDIA card if

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I really wanted that. I think this is the one we got to take.

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>> I agree. Which isn't to say that this is a bad deal, but I like this. This is not

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my favorite thing about buying open box items.

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Okay. There we go. Let's return [music] our cart. We'll be the one Costco customer

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ever who returns their cart. There's dozens of us.

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The specs and price actually looking really solid, but

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we still don't even know what brand of power supply we have. We don't know what brand of SSD we have. I'd like to take a

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closer look. I'll now start by getting a little bit of this dust off the machine.

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That's a small price to pay uh when you consider that versus our comparison

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system, >> Mhm. you're saving about $300.

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>> Really? >> And that's using the same parts or very

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similar cheaper parts. >> So, that means even without our 10%

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discount, >> We would say >> got a great deal. Without the discount,

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it would still be $140 cheaper. >> And we get the extra year warranty from

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buying through Costco. >> Yeah. Now, the sales rep did actually

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point out to us that depending on our individual components, they may carry

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longer warranties. Just uh don't tell the manufacturer that you pulled it out

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of a pre-built system. It is worth noting though that while our Costco system is competitively priced with our

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comparison system, these are not necessarily the exact parts that we

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might have chosen if we were starting from scratch. I mean, they're not far

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off though. >> Uh you might want to take a look at this SSD. Have you heard of AGI before? AGI?

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Yeah. Yeah, that's uh what is it? Artificial [music] General

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Intelligence? It's an AI SSD. [laughter]

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No, I've never heard of AGI. Are they good? I have no clue. It's a Gen4 drive.

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So, that's something. No DRAM cache though. Mhm. Realtek controller.

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>> For a gaming system, it's totally acceptable. Now, it is worth noting that

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our comparison system is just following the same broad strokes. That is a

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beefier cooler on both our CPU and GPU, but those are not going to affect our

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performance comparisons. We're not going to be looking at temperatures. Other

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than the SSD or the lower-spec, but still adequate coolers, I don't really

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see where iBuyPower cheaped out on this. >> No, that's an MSI motherboard.

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>> Not only that, but this is a pretty reasonable spec one. It's missing the

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VRM coolers, which you often see on these system integrator boards, but look

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at the IO. That's good. >> Yeah. 20K USB-C. we've got 2 and 1/2 gig

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LAN. I believe this is Wi-Fi 6E. Let's

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double check that. PRO B650-VC

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VC >> Cooling overview.

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Chipset >> [laughter]

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>> The front fans COULD HAVE A LITTLE bit more access to fresh air flow, but there

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is some mesh here and we actually did a video recently exploring just how much

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space a fan needs in front of it in order to draw fresh air in and this

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[music] is maybe not optimal for noise, but should be okay for cooling. Show me

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the qual. No, you know what? The cable management,

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I'm totally fine with. Commodity system

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Yeah. >> It's zip tied. Nothing's going to come

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flying around during shipping. I'm okay with that. But this power supply is not

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inspiring a ton of us. >> box of mystery is >> as it's not Raidmax, I'll be

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I'll be okay.

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Oh, you know what? I have a cutter in my tech sack. When's the LTT cutter coming?

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I mean, we should probably do one. Uh it's just figuring out, you know, how

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you differentiate on a thing that [music] cuts things. I don't think we necessarily have to like innovate on it

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a ton. I think as long as it's just a good one at a fair price.

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What the high power I [music] mean, I'm going on

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the 80 plus site right now and I'm going to see [music] if this is actually 80

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plus gold certified. What's the over/under on that?

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>> There's no chance that this is actually gold certified. No way. >> Hold on. Hold on.

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HP1 J600GD-F12SC

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80 plus gold certified >> Yeah. >> No way!

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Back in 2019? Okay, so it's an older design, but

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technically an efficient one. Being efficient doesn't necessarily mean that

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it's the world's most amazing power supply, but it does mean that it is

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efficient. >> This is the strongest fan retention clip

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I think I've ever encountered on a tower cooler. Oh, there's some nice dust

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there. Which is a good thing actually for systems that are going to be

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shipped. Okay, very nice. Full coverage, not a

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ton of extra to seep out and gunk up my CPU. Good job. Enough poking and

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prodding at it though, let's play some games. Say what you will about the

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quality of included peripherals. This is just add monitor. Keyboard,

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mouse, tower all included. And it's significantly better than a lot of OEM

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peripherals that I've seen. Hey! >> Hey, there we go.

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>> That RGB strip doesn't look so bad. >> Yeah, I mean, it's easy to hate on

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pre-builts. You know, you should build your own. And there are times when you

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should definitely build your own. I mean, we're both huge advocates for

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scouring the internet for second-hand deals to get the absolute best bang for

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your buck. But if you want new stuff, I'm feeling pretty good about this.

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What? Go ahead and roll. Who is Who is Darren DeYoung? Did

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someone just like take it home and use it for a bit or is this I'm guessing

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that's just one of the employees did it and it's easier to just use his personal

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account and not worry about it. I would think iBUYPOWER would be

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way too experienced for that though. Do you think someone bought this one and

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returned it? I don't think so. >> I'm looking up Darren DeYoung. Darren

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DeYoung Windows 11. Woah! Is this a thing?

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>> It must be a thing. Is this a thing? Who

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is he and how can I bypass this demo stuff?

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Woof, that should have been wiped before buying it. Was it an open box computer?

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Darren DeYoung retail mode. So, this is a thing. It's retail mode. Apparently,

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to get rid of Darren, we just have to click five times on Windows 11 home

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here. Oh. Look at that.

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Wait. Where did I get the idea that the 960 XT had 16 gigs of VRAM?

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>> There is a 16 gig version. >> [snorts] >> This is exactly what I'm talking about.

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Cuz I even did a take where I was like, "8 gigs of VRAM." And then I looked it

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up and I corrected myself cuz I was like, "Oh no, the 960 XT has 16 gigs of

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VRAM." >> Okay, that makes it a little less good of a value. Let's make that calculation.

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This is why I keep talking about this

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kind of deceptive product naming where you don't put all of the specs right in

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the [ __ ] specs. Yeah. It's especially deceptive in pre-builds because it's

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really hard to look at this and be like, "Is that the 8 gig? Is that the 16 gig?

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I don't know." Oh. You can't like easily read the part number through the window?

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>> Nope. Here on AMD's site, they literally denote 960 XT and 960 XT 8 gig. That

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wasn't on the product card, which might not have happened if we were shopping

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somewhere that focuses more on technology rather than, you know, at

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Costco. I'm pretty annoyed right now. That's not cool. How does that affect

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our value calculations? We lose about $80 on our comparison system when it

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goes down to the 8 gig model. So, we're still up like 250,

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60 dollars. Okay. So, it's still a good value and we're still out ahead, but

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we're not as ahead as I hoped we were. And it always feels like a better deal

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when I was fully informed rather than getting a rude surprise after the fact.

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I looked up the model on iBuyPower's website and it does have the full specs

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including their 8 gig card. Okay. So, it's at least partially on us.

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Definitely wasn't on there. It managed to fool three of us. Yeah. Which is

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exactly what it is designed to do.

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Just occurred to me, we're running our game library off of an external drive

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and I realized that I don't know if the cable that it's attached to is any good,

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but conveniently, we have a bin of LTT

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cables here and it's super easy to tell what the

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capabilities are cuz they're printed right on the ends.

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lttstore.com Okay, let's start with Expedition 33.

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Oh, okay, well, this is great.

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Whoop, little hitch there. Your 1% lows are not so good.

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>> Yeah, they're really not. Maybe it's just shader compilation stutter? This is

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a pretty darn smooth experience. >> I bet you could optimize it a little bit

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and hit 60 more consistently, but with VRR, this 1% low of 50 plus, super

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playable. >> Oh, yeah, totally. It's not a light

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game, especially when you turn it up. Yeah, UE5 is heavy as F.

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>> Yeah, I'm going to be honest with you, this is this is so very, very usable.

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>> It looks really good. >> Okay, I did get a stutter there, right as I was doing the quick time event.

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That was a little annoying. Yep, so it's dipping down to like 45 when there's a

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bunch of effects on screen. So, I would want to tune it a little bit more, but

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still I'm at like 1440p in terms of the

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native resolution that it's rendering at before upscaling. FSR upscaling

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actually pretty decent these days. >> Yeah. That looks pretty darn sharp.

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>> Pretty good. >> And I'm still at medium details. So, that I have a lot of room to continue to

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tune this if I really needed to. >> Should we compare it to our comparison system? Is there that much to compare?

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>> No, you're right, cuz it's the exact same system. >> Yeah, I was I was been kind of thinking

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about that. Like, what was the point of the comparison system? Yeah, it was going to be it was going to be if we

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could build something better for the same price. >> David. >> Well, you know what though, we wouldn't

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have been able to do much better or better at all. We can't.

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>> So, that's probably why your brain flubbed. Mhm. >> is no better.

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>> No. So, yeah, purely illustrative.

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>> And time intensive for this gentleman

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over here. Uh what else what what do we want to look at? What else we got? >> Cyberpunk. I don't know. You got the

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whole library there now, so >> the whole library on this computer. I

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got the whole library on this computer. I got the whole library on this

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computer. Okay. Thank you for indulging me. Right out of

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the gate, default settings in Cyberpunk, we're getting 50 FPS average.

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Unfortunately, we're getting lows down to like 25, and if you feel it It's not

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great. >> She's not She's not responsive. I think we can do better than this.

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>> Yeah. We don't need to go quite to Steam [music] Deck, but I'm thinking

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>> you go mid high. Medium. You think we can go high?

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>> Yeah, just no ray tracing. With fidelity effects? Okay. All right, sure. Our

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averages are the same. Dips not quite as low, but still pretty low.

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>> Yeah. I mean, that's what 8 gigs of VRAM is going to do you. Are we at 4K quality?

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So, it's doing native 1440p? Yep. Let's go down to 1080p. Oh, yeah, there she

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goes. Now [music] we're smooth and realistically

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Okay, there there's some odd behavior, but it's not bad.

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>> No. Especially considering this is an 8 gig card. The stutter that we're seeing,

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especially at higher resolutions, is probably down to having 8 gigs of VRAM,

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but for the price this is still going to be a way better

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experience than the Steam Machine. Oh, yeah. And when you look at what the

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estimated pricing is for that We have a better CPU. We have

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upgradeability. They have RGB. A ton of upgradeability and a better GPU. Yeah.

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Yeah, this thing is pretty darn sweet. >> nice little platform, actually. I didn't

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stop to think, right? Brett Ham 5. Yeah.

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This is a nice little starter machine

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for someone who's on a bit of a tighter budget today >> Yep. but might want to upgrade CPU, GPU.

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They should upgrade their power supply if they put a better [music] GPU in

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here. This is a This is so playable. It's so playable. So usable. You could

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tweak it a little bit depending on your sensitivities to visual artifacting, but

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it's This is good. >> I could easily play this game like this.

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