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old computer hardware doesn't slow down we've proven it multiple times so then

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why does your old PC feel so much slower

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than when you first got it the answer lies in the software and it's the same

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reason that your phone feels slower as it ages each subsequent Windows update

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adds features and bloat that can drag

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down performance so then well what do you have to run an old operating system

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full of compatibility and security issues no there's a new kid on the Block

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its name is atlas OS and thanks to Acer

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sponsoring this video to promote their recent earthion green initiatives we're

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going to be taking it for a spin with some Hardware that is so obsolete that

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we paid less for this entire box than

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the cost of the included Windows license let's see if we can get this puppy

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running like new spoiler we can and it

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is super awesome our adventure begins with a bog standard obsolete Big Box

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store PC we wanted something from Acer of course since keeping old electronics

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out of the landfill was a huge motivation for them to sponsor this video and we settled on the Aspire

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tc780. it's in that weird anti-goldylocks Zone it's too new to be

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retro and too old to be current and most businesses would basically just pay a

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recycler to haul these things away by the pallet full which is good because it

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means they go for cheap we paid 150

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Canadian dollars or about 110 us and that included the keyboard and mouse

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which weren't amazing but let's say we

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could flip them for 10 bucks giving us a total of a hundred US dollars for our

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Tower internally I don't know it's probably oh

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seen better days Anthony you're fixed

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for the dead fan is still on here

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spoiler spoiler we have to fix a dead fan I'll get to that later one moment

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please overall nothing a can of dust off can't fix and

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she powers on 4 pin CPU power 24-pin

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motherboard connector oh front USB 3. that's nice to see and four pin for our

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CPU fan also standard matx motherboard and ATX power supply this is going to

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make the process of refurbishing this thing a lot easier well isn't that just

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fantastic wow does this even have m.2 support Anthony it does

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what that's awesome 7th gen had m.2

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support yeah oh I guess this is as good a time as any to talk about the CPU in

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here it's a core i5 7400 so it's four cores four threads 3.5 gigahertz Max

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boost it was kind of the seventh gen's bang for the buck CPU with higher core

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clocks than its predecessors but at the same cost Not only was it less expensive

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but compared to higher end chips it had a 65 watt TDP and could easily be cooled

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with low cost heatsinks making it a great choice for a budget system for

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that reason we're not actually going to replace this almost Intel stock cooler

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in here we're just gonna

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destroy our lungs by wiping it down and we're going to put

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a new fan on it I wonder how many people worth of dead skin cells I've inhaled

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over the years of doing this it's a really uncomfortable thoughts what's not

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uncomfortable is that 400 class core i5s

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have long been considered excellent value for gaming with the more recent 12

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400 and 13 400 being solid contenders for entry and mid-range Gamers for us

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though there is absolutely no need whatsoever to change anything in here

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we're just going to get some zip ties put this just random fan we found it

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happens to be in Knoxville but yours doesn't have to be put this random fan

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in here and we should be Off to the Races look at this I found an 80

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millimeter fan kicking around and I don't even need to zip tie it anymore

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totally lines up twice now we just plug this into the CPU

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fan header and no need to change anything here in time you might find

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that multiplayer games are going to demand more cores but it's certainly

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enough for a responsive desktop experience today and could even be

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upcycled later into a Home Server solid

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investment moving on our current RAM configuration

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is a little suspect we've got a four gig

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stick and an eight gig stick for a total of 12 gigs which is a lot of RAM but not

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ideal because we're not getting dual Channel and the speeds of these sticks

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are mismatched at 2133 and 2400 Mega

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transfers per second unfortunately the BIOS of this machine does not support

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XMP or setting the RAM speeds manually so it will simply match the speed of the

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slowest stick to ensure compatibility our best course of action then is to

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pull out our four gig stick here see you

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later and replace it with another 8 gig similar speed dim time Tech these can be

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found online for about 20 bucks since their slower speed makes them not super

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desirable now you could potentially flip that four gig stick to recoup a little

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bit of your cost but I think it's probably worth more as a spare for

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troubleshooting so I would probably hold on to it now let's power this up and for

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a total of 30 bucks for a stick of RAM and a generic 80 millimeter fan we

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should have 16 gigs four cores and a

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working cooler there are still some things we need to do yes we're going to

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do hard drives but first we're gonna do power supply now the

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power supply that's in here is an fsp unit good brand rated for 300 watts

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continuous which is probably fine too like this was a perfect fit for the

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original hardware and probably perfectly reliable with the CPU's 65 watt TDP and

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no GPU it probably never ran at more than 50 percent of its capacity but the

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lack of PCIe power and the possibility that it's deteriorated over time to

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become less efficient means we should probably replace it proactively if we

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have space in our budget with that said don't throw it out you can still totally

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use this thing as a hobbyist benchtop power supply if you're so inclined and

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personally I use what I call doorstop

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power supplies for all kinds of things like just running fans for example to

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cool something outside of a computer like they're just very very useful one

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nice thing about the old school ketchup and mustard style cables is that they're

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color coded for voltage red is 5 volt yellow is 12 volt and black is ground so

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you can put whatever connectors you want on these things as long as you don't overload the rails which are

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conveniently labeled on the side and power whatever you want for a replacement we don't need something

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super powerful we just want to make sure that we do our homework and get

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something decent so we settled on this EVGA 400 watt unit that is a power

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supply I mean I mean it doesn't really we're

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not recommending the cheapest possible thing EVGA does stand behind their

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products rip EVGA graphics cards which they still existed it doesn't have

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modular cables and you know ketchup and mustard make a triumphant return but

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it's more than enough for what we're going to be doing this is actually an

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older unit but as the lab ramps up their testing we're going to be building a database of the performance

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characteristics of every budget power supply so that whether you're refurbing

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an old machine or building a new budget machine from scratch you can get

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something decent without overspending oh

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on that subject are water bottles on lttstore.com are all the same price

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regardless of capacity you can get any size you want without overspending now

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while I pointed out earlier that our board supports m.2 drives we don't

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necessarily need the fastest drive you

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can get an inexpensive 500 gig SSD for about 40 bucks on sale or even a one

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terabyte for around sixty dollars ssds have gotten shockingly inexpensive

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lately for us we're going with an old WD blue 250 gig and the main reason is that

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you can pick these up for even cheaper

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on Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace thankfully Acer included mounts for two

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and a half inch drives are they toolless nope all together now the correct number

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of screws for a two and a half inch SSD is

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one that's good enough right yeah she's

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not going anywhere this is an extra screw now

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the place for an extra screw is not inside the chassis that's true that's

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true that's bad what I showed you just now in fact I'm gonna punish myself by

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making myself put in another drive for the SSD so add a data or say to data

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there's gonna be a war in the comments tonight everyone typing it it's

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it's a data I can't tell which one it's a

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little late in the day we all just want to go home now there

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are many gpus available on the second hand Market that would suit our needs

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just fine we could go super low end here 1050 tis can be had for under a hundred

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dollars but the bang for the buck of the 1660 TI is hard to argue with it should

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be able to gain at 1080p medium at least in this system and it fits within our

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thermal power and space constraints these go for around 200 new that's a lot

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but this is the E-Waste PC so realistically we would suggest picking

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up a secondhand one on eBay for anywhere from 100 to 150 US Dollars the 1660 TI

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doesn't have av1 codec support but it'll accelerate h.264 and h.265 and has the

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higher quality nvank encoder whatever value GPU you end up going with though

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be aware that some require resizable bar to reach their full potential and older

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systems like these don't always support it fortunately Acer still has the full

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support side up for this desktop which is great and super important for helping

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looks like us extend their life spans step

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power oh and also this I guess why is

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this not clipping anymore did I break it

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did did you break it okay bro it was all working oh I bent it I bent it real good

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nice plug the HDMI into that now

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obviously this isn't gonna boot until we

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configure our SSD with an operating system let's talk about that thankfully our

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system has USB 3 otherwise this process would be a little on the slow side we're

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just going to fire up the media creation tool plug in a USB drive and while this

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is Imaging Acer sent over their Vero laptop full disclosure I have a stake in

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framework a competitor but Acer has clearly been making great strides of

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their own when it comes to sustainable computers starting with an easy to open

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chassis and non-soldered components this is what they're calling a green PC and

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it's part of their earthion initiative it's Acer's Mission platform for a

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Greener future and it's literally green which is because this is super cool you

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can actually see the flex of post-consumer plastics just kind of

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mashed together in order to make this chassis I actually kind of like it

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earthion encompasses everything from product design and packaging all the way

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through to production Logistics and recycling this particular one is powered

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by Intel's 13th gen core processors that is Intel Evo verified there's enough

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horsepower on tap to handle most tasks while maximizing battery life meaning

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you need to charge less often which prolongs battery health when you do need

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to charge its fast charge capability means you can add four hours of endurance with just 30 minutes on the

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wall and their ultimate goal is to bring in their business partners and use their

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shared technology to change the world for The Greener you can join the

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movement by advocating for sustainability wherever you can or

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simply by living a Greener life we're doing our part today by pulling

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potential E-Waste from the landfill but if you're not up for all this work

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choosing to support initiatives like earthion and machines like the Vero can

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help of course you still want to see what this little thing can do though

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right and you're saying the trackpad is made of ocean plastic yeah it's made

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from Ocean bound plastic the entire chassis is 30 post-consumer recycled

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materials so that is super cool yeah you might be wondering why not 100 post

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consumer materials we've actually been learning a lot about this for our

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acoustic panel project you just can't

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because of the unpredictable way that little shrink after molding but 30

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percent pretty darn good especially post consumer because I think we were able to

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get as high as like 45 but that was just

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re-ground new plastic that wasn't post-consumer well you want to know

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what's even better yeah the keycaps are 50 percent sure shut up they don't even

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look or feel like bad yeah even the

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keycaps 50 PCR I don't know how they managed that yeah that's super cool here

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while this is doing its thing I'm just gonna open it because it looks like it's

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that easy right it's all Phillips screws see the thing is I don't care if my

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investment wins or if everyone else just does better

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I just want more stuff like this in the long term I want to see this kind of

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concept make its way into their higher tier products but I understand you've

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got to start somewhere and obviously you've got to mitigate the risk of the

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development somehow so starting with something that's relatively small is a

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way you can do that I just need one clip

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to release so that I can get under it did you get it open Anthony yeah oh okay

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I wonder if part of this is just because of the Plastics that might be that might

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actually be why there's so many clips and screws yeah because there's the

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tolerances are going to be not as tight with this post-consumer plastic there it

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is socketed RAM socketed SSD everything

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very easy to access in here actually socketed Wi-Fi which you can't even take

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for granted anymore these days that didn't used to be impressive but now I'm

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seeing a lot of soldered Wi-Fi two screws on the battery total that's it

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very cool I gotta say this started out

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as just sort of sponsor talking points and has turned into I'm pretty impressed

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this seems to be more than just paying lip service to Green this is like super

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serviceable okay uh editor good luck

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before we gain though I feel like we should do a peel here oh ew this is very

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old electrical tape it's icky oh what why did they why did they put on tape to

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keep the peasters and you know who you are

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because nobody else put on tape quite like you did let's play some games oh

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wait well first I guess we should just sort of navigate the operating system

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right you know Chrome launch uh yeah all

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right and we're not screen recording locally it's an HDMI pass-through to a

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separate PC so it won't affect performance in any way things are

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definitely a little bit hitchy this is a standard Windows 10

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install fully up to date with some mild manual decluttering so we uninstalled

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OneDrive Skype Etc it's chugging a little whether we're talking alt tabbing

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out of games launching programs I mean

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even start menu animations it's chugging

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a little there's no denying that while we wait for this to load is a perfect

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time to talk about Atlas OS you might remember the video we did on Windows 10

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ameliorated a project that got pulled

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because they were technically Distributing Windows isos without

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Microsoft's approval well Atlas OS used

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to do the same thing but thanks to the efforts of ameliorated Dev actrons is

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now using a new framework called AME wizard that lets you do all of the

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ripping and tearing out of excess bloat post install meaning that they can do

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what they used to do but they no longer need to distribute pre-modded isos so

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the whole thing is fully above board we've actually got an early access

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version of it here and by the time this video goes live you should be able to

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download it for yourself it'll work not only on older Hardware but also on

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Modern Hardware which is super cool okay

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we're gonna try our little Halo game then we're gonna fire things up with

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okay well there's no denying it it's a gaming machine for gamers

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Rage Quit let's fire up Atlas OS we did

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some movie Magic Anthony's the one who set up Atlas OS ahead of time I haven't

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touched it yet I am super stoked check this out the E-Waste PC love it

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all right Google Chrome

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interesting why don't you take a look at the process list is that it

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whoa whoa

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this is markedly more responsive I don't

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even need the side by side this feels like a brand spanking new machine

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look at that look at her go you know this basically

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kills Linux as like

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well right because that's what people use Linux for is getting more life out

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of old Hardware that can't run Windows anymore if you can run Windows with this

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kind of performance Jeepers Creepers I

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mean even NVIDIA control panel launches without being dog slow with that said I

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am not expecting markedly better performance in games

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that's really just constrained by your GPU however you know we might get a

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little less stutter if our CPU is less busy working away at background crap I

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just got rid of my last Windows 8.1 embedded industry Pro I'm just going to

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use this why not right this is awesome

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oh man what this is on a quad core from seven

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years ago quad core four threads

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she's responsive

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you're losing Telemetry automatic updates

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that's probably something they turned off I don't know I actually haven't looked that closely at it let's talk

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memory usage right now look at how quickly I can check that we're at five

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gigs with Halo infinite running and that's 2.4 gigs so we are sitting at

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just over two gigs of total system use

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other than no because another over 200 Megs is also steam this is

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incredible our RAM usage outside of Halo

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and steam is like negligible I know this

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is a lot of Hoops to jump through to extend old Hardware shelf life and you

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can obviously only go so far before you are adding to the E-Waste problem just

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like buying more stuff to what be greener that's why it's important to

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think carefully about the computers you buy a machine with enough power to

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handle what you need today and a bit of room to grow into tomorrow always a good

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bet and recycled material construction and packaging are huge bonuses if you

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want to be environmentally conscious equally important is that old Hardware

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like this doesn't have to die just because software keeps getting more

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bloated for less than 350 bucks here we've got a machine that may be a little

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old but is still totally capable of

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handling modern titles at decent settings this is 1080p medium life

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doesn't always have to be about the latest and greatest especially when the

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environmental cost can be so high remember the three R's reduce use and

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recycle are in that order for a reason now with a 13th gen core processor back

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to our sponsor Acer's Aspire Bureau has plenty of power for today and tomorrow

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but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't give Alice OS a try on it if nothing

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else it should contribute to battery life savings on top of the vero's

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already impressive endurance which as Acer already had us point out to you is

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good for the longevity of your battery as well and hey later on down the road

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when it's time to upgrade who's to say you can't use it for something else like

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streaming serving Media or even a Thin Client its more modular design makes

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repairs easier and is already made out of recycled materials they've taken care

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of the reduce and recycle so it's on you to reuse and we're going to have this

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length down below now it's time to play some more Halo

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infinite here oh it's Capture the Flag uh well thanks for watching guys if you

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like this video hit like And subscribe um maybe go check out the video on

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reusing your old computer as a server that's a good one a really good video I

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really liked it I hosted it but uh not biased at all right not biased at all I

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didn't write the video it was somebody else who wrote it
