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hypocrisy is what it is yeah that why can't they be like other uh governmental jurisdictions and just uh not make any laws at all complete La Fair just letting people drive on the sidewalks download whatever they want side loading they call Sin I say it's basically like running people down on the sidewalk if you sideloading an app so think about that this was not condoned by God yeah that's right we're here to talk about Apple and the EU and uh some of the most recent developments um last week because this is coming out on Monday February 19th last week Apple was let off the hook in regards to iMessage when it comes to slap on the wrist the EU um regulating them well yeah sort of cuz like so the EU is digital markets act mhm uh they're trying to kind of rein in all these Tech Giants who are you you know operating willy-nilly doing whatever the heck they want closing down their ecosystems behaving in a way that I don't antitrust that was Half Baked and uh the I iMessage was going to be they were investigating EU was investigating whether iMessage should be one of these core platform providers and and thus subject to more regulations especially because it technically meets the legal definition um it's what is it I wrote down uh uh the legal definition is it's has at least 45 million EU users every month and it's controlled by a firm with at least 75 billion EUR in market capitalization and iMessage fits those definitions but uh Apple specifically was arguing that it should that it should be excluded um for various reasons right which you know and we heard oh sorry and I'll say that the development here is that so it even though it fits that definition the EU decided has made an explicit Caro right for not only iMessage but they also made the same thing for Bing uh edge browser and Microsoft's ad Services right and so we know you know we we we published our Tech link about this last week and we got a lot of comments from you guys talking about espec specifically you the ones of you that are in the you and you were like we don't use iMessage this is not a big deal we're totally down with this because we all use WhatsApp instead the other platform offered by a tech giant with like uh near complete control over social media which is itself actually considered a gatekeeper by the EU WhatsApp has been designated um under the DM dma as it should as it should yeah so so the EU kind of has backed off and at least that aspect of it mhm and you know the EU people uh people who live in the in Europe might be like okay it totally makes sense over here in North America you know bit of a culture Clash definitely because over here a lot of people use iMessage iPhones my entire family yeah I think I think that Android phones altogether still have more market share but apple is like it's like Samsung and then Apple yeah it's up there I looked it up up recently I forgot what it was but a ton of people use iPhones and iMessage over here and it was it was interesting it it's always interesting reading uh people who live in the EU posting online about how we're like they're like we don't understand why North Americans are so worked up over this whole green bubble thing like it's just a bubble you know like why does it matter uh and I would agree with that to an extent I do think we get to tend to get over obsessed with the green bubble because iMessage is interoperable to an exent yeah it just sucks you can message them it's just you feel like a second class citizen the entire time to yeah and I'm sure to some people they they do I you know I'm somebody who my friends and family nearly all of them use iPhone oh I am the black sheep of the family group chat I 100% yeah actually two of my brothers are I have four brothers two of them are Android users that's important context you say two of my brothers immediately like is there like 12 Riley Murdo wandering the countryside they they are it's a menace well please be careful out there just mustaches rustling in bushes they will laugh awkwardly uh all the time just for no reason um two of them are Android users and basically every other person in my friends and family uh Circle are iPhone users so it is really annoying when I get a like I'll get messages cuz it sucks for both parties mhm I'll get messages with a with a photo or video from my parents and they're like look at this and like they were babysitting my kid the other day and they sent me like a video and I'm just like compressed blurry you're just like I don't remember him being that pixelated when I dropped him off it looks like he's either having fun or being disembed by a stuffed animal I don't know what's going on so you seem excited I'll judge from Context that he's not dead yes exactly no it's it's designed to annoy both sides of the interaction it is designed to annoy the Android users and we're the one who tend to fix a on it but it's also intended to annoy iPhone users right into not doing anything well but that's the that's what I'm confused about you want your own users annoyed with but I think that's I think they're depending on iPhone users on mass not really understanding the root cause of the issue no they don't understand that Apple could fix it they think the problem is that oh I'm I'm texting this broke Android user with their inferior device yeah why don't they just buy an iPhone and it's like no Tim Apple specifically said in his in his giant Tower of evil oh he has been plotting to make it so that your grandkids photos look like absolute messes look upon your photo library and despair oh my gosh can may I just say that I found recently that some people have actually made compilations of me doing the Tim Cook impression and it made me so happy if you if if whoever did I think there's two big ones that are out there maybe a third one I don't want to make anyone angry if you made those I sincerely think you they are fun they bring me joy um but yeah this iMessage thing it's h got North Americans confused and there was another thing that kind of came out last week about apple and the EU and the regulations and whatnot um which was these the Apple's attitude towards Progressive web apps mhm can you summarize exactly this is not something that is in the official build yet this is in beta builds and uh in the past three so like with the first two they're like oh this might be a mistake this might be a glitch right now that it's been like three separate builds Apple has not fixed this this was previously functional they're like okay this this is probably intentional this is probably Apple doing something intentionally especially because it's happening at the same time as all of these other changes right um and it's that they are making uh Progressive web apps um nonfunctional in this build so um so they're just B they're breaking them they're breaking them they're breaking them they're making them no longer act as apps that you can open from the home screen you know Boop there you go uh and they're making them into essentially they function now as shortcuts that just open a web browser they just open the web page which to be fair is essentially what Progressive web apps are right like I mean shortcuts they kind of like they're they're shortcuts but they kind of also like some processing is done on the device and some is pro done it's the illicit lovech of an app and a web page right they have features of both um they do allow you to have like local storage which is no longer operable on iOS um they do allow notifications which is no longer operable on iOS um and the big thing is about Progressive web apps like I don't actually see like a huge user backlash to this yeah well and and because this is mostly something that the brands themselves really like yeah so I was doing I you know I have in the years that I've been covering Tech news I've encountered the idea of progressive web app obviously and I've like seen them you know because they they support caring for the homeless and they they want they want healthare Progressive and also they're really convenient they open straight from the from straight from the homepage they're web apps they're web apps that push for change um no yeah so there's sort of like um there's there's sort of uh changes to the the the app design that allows it to kind of like you know launch more responsively and uh you know be be a bit easier to use uh in the way that an app is like a like an actually installed app but it is an it's basically a web site still yes because it is yeah you're going through a browser and in my it's an Uber web page that operates like the Uber app yeah looking these up a little bit just a few minutes ago I cuz I I asked myself I'm like why do these exist who wanted these does this really make life better for users or for like business owners and it seems like the people who really wanted these were were business owners I don't want to speak for anyone if you're uh you know on the user side of this and you're like I love Progressive web apps every time I you know go on my browser and look up a we don't me invalidate your lived experience yeah i' go on a website and it tells me maybe you want to switch to the web app or whatever uh and you do that and you're very happy then fair enough but for me every time that it gave me that prompt on my phone I'm like no just go to the just go to the website please stop yeah and uh so we are old men so we don't like this new fangled business as far as I can tell the reason web apps really became a thing is because they allow businesses to kind of farm more interaction and engagement from users when they go to a website so apparently they they decreased the friction of getting the cons consumer on on the app engaging with the material buying the Goods yeah so apparently uh Pinterest a 2018 review published by Forbes this is just on Wikipedia found that users of pinterest's progressive web app spent 40% more time on the site compared to the previous mobile website Revenue increased by 44% core engagements by 60% so I'm like okay I understand you know because a a progressive web app is a bit easier to use than like a lot of mobile experience it has less friction less of those Petty annoyances that make you go oh yeah I should really go make something to eat I should really go clean clean the house right it it it's easier to just suck you in I guess the benefit though for users is that you can have they spend less time with their kids and more time sucked into a screen you know and anything that can that can get you away just that little bit of a dopamine hit to take away the nigh unstopping pain of existence and apple doesn't want that because they they want your families to remain intact absolutely Ely and buy more Apple products this is this is a Tim Cook conspiracy to maintain the the traditional family I'm not going to do another impression the the the bait didn't work we get so excited on the writing Team every time every time Tim Cook makes an announcement I'm like yes yes he's back yes um but the benefit for the users is the fact that you can have like an applike experience outside of the distribution channel that is the um the Apple App Store or the or Google Play So businesses can deliver this sort of experience to users without going through all jumping through all those Hoops necessarily having to use those stores as an intermediary right and that's why Apple wasn't really a fan of it to begin with apple was never a fan of it they caved a bit to pressure yeah and it looks like they're unav looks like they're digging out that cave oh wait really I thought they I mean this well they're killing them right yes but they didn't want to put them in the first place oh they cave to the pressure to allow you're right right now they're unav yeah I get what you're saying the cave you know I don't do well with cave analogies caving right and and like caving is not it's something that is not Excavating a cave it just means going inside a cave splunking there's that what wait what is caving I I'm honestly well I mean I don't know if there's multiple definitions of the word cave um I know that like caving also known as spelunking yep and potholing so I have never heard of that before they're just making them up at this point sounds dirty now does this have anything to do with the EU thing really because Apple was forced to open up iOS to thirdparty App Stores sort of we'll get into that um because they were forced to do that now they're like well I guess we don't need Progressive web apps which was the previous method to kind of like skirt the App Store now you're going to have your very own third-party App Store instead of the Apple App Store on your iPhones so you don't need Progressive web apps anymore so they're only killing are you happy now developers stop crying so they're only killing it in the European Union Yes it's exclusive to the EU and that's another hint is like okay you you're doing this intentionally it's exclusively in the EU is this a response to the other things going on in the EU because you know Apple does do these things to keep Regulators happy and if it's making a making a concession another area maybe we don't have to make this concession anymore and of course uh as their official explanation Apple has to claim that malicious web apps could read data from other web apps and gain access to a user's camera of microphone and location without user consent and like think of the user when they they said similar things like this they said user they said similar they did Scary language like this as well when they released their like new rules for the App Store in the EU but like those things are true yes they are of any platform if malware gets it so it's like the the you know maybe we should talk about this when we like as we talk about the other regulations but just quickly anytime Apple talks about security as a reason for why they need to lock things down it always reads so Hollow because every other platform allows these things and and is able to have reasonable security like Reon prote but apple is the only uh massive company like overseeing one of these massive platforms used by so many people who insists that they have to have things locked down so know best yeah it's very paternalistic it is and it it's it's one of those competing values kind of things where it's like well you you want you want these these services to be safe right and I do I I very much do but it's the question is not should this be safe is are you balancing this correctly with other concerns and largely I I it it is almost always the case that apple is pushing always like 10% too far yeah yeah 10% too far it's interesting because even when they do kind of open up they open up in the most limited way possible which like a reluctant child who's been told to apologize dragging their feet and saying I'm sorry I well but it's even it's worse than that because they're not acting petulant or like like like a kid so much as they're acting like a dictator that was just forced to like human rights like they're like okay I guess we will uh allow just so you know this is letting the Communists win yeah but just so you know if we let people out of their cells they could punch each other so on the street so everyone needs to stay that's why we need a curfew H this video doesn't have quick bits but if it did they'd be brought to you by volcanica coffee PA your Teck news with a nice cup of Joel volcanica coffee sources their beans from the finest crops in the best volcanic regions from around the world where the soil is Rich not with rocks but minerals Marie their exotic highquality coffee has distinctly different flavors and nuances to tantalize your taste buds if you like good coffee or you know someone who does check out volcanica coffee at the link below and use code linus1 15 for 15% off your order so that that brings me to the the App Store rules that Apple uh instituted because they were forced to because there was a deadline um or the deadline is coming up we haven't hit the deadline yet but they know that they have to get these rules out and then there's a review process and like the EU has to approve them and all that stuff and that I don't think anything has really moved forward on that but uh if I'm not mistaken the deadline is it's coming up March 6th I believe so yeah apple allowing apple is now allowing third-party app marketplaces what they call well they they do have the bit of the kleenex problem where the their word for an app store became the default word for an app store yeah and I guess they were really like the first big one yeah they called them apps you we Al the Play Store is also an app store not only so so they they're they're saying we're allowing you to have these third party app stores however every app that goes on the app Marketplace that is notorized like a wedding we still have to scan it we still have to like make sure that it's cool which is you know somewhat Fair on macOS and on Windows you can install any app you want and the system Security will scan the app when it's installed and be or or it'll check it against a list of currently known you know malicious apps or whatever and it'll give you a warning or like whatever but Apple's saying that in order for you to publish an app on this other app store at all they need to notorized downloading it it must pass yeah through a test which is just and this is yeah it's just so Apple uh they if you want to launch an alternate app Marketplace you need to have a letter of credit from an a-rated financial institution and at least a million euros in the bank uh which I heard some developers say is actually kind of re reasonable it does mean that they have a back stop in case something terrible happens yeah um which you do want for a company that's dealing with very large amounts of refunds potentially right um but the what they're definitely not allowing is so like there's some progress here they're definitely not allowing side loing no like people keep saying that I've seen articles published in the last week that are saying that apple is alluding sidel loading as far as I can tell they are not I heard I I saw a bunch of initial articles talking about it but like there if it's so annoying because you you have some people who I think view side loing as just anything that isn't the App Store yeah which is like well words have meanings yeah side loing should mean going to a website or something or downloading a file an APK file or I forget what they're a package file on I don't know what it is on iOS but and then double clicking that file to install it and you're not getting it through an app store at all to me that's side loing but you know fair enough Apple people you know they're in they're in their own world sometimes like you're calling her your side chick and she's just your wife going I will I will say that every time I talk about Apple I get self-conscious about whether like apple people listening to this people who are Apple Fans listening to this think that I like absolutely just hate apple and I don't I don't at all I think that they every day he walks into the office and he just punches a picture of Tim Cook just got a on a dart board he doesn't even throw the darts he's just I will defeat you and take your place that's what he's been practicing for yeah Barbara come on um Tim Tim Cooks skin suit no I love Apple I used to be an Apple user uh before I I got hired at NC and like just fully got brainwashed into PC ecosystem uh my wife uses Apple everyone like a lot of people I know use apple and I'm like it's good for you it's good for a certain type of people very high quality products the UI is is is simple the design is slick uh and they're easy to use and they're secure you know for better or worse that the the measures that Apple takes does uh help these people these these poor people who don't know how to use a phone unless Apple tells them how to um see I just I did it again I I can't be fully positive so you got some notes Here uh commissions paid to Apple have been reduced to 10% for most devs and for subscriptions after the first year and then there's a 177% commission for for digital goods and services and that is if if developers choose to adopt the new business terms yes you can stay on the old business terms where it's like 30% or 15% depending on what your position is in the developer Marketplace how popular you are you know etc etc how much revenue you're getting etc etc yeah um but here's the kicker see just just from that it sounds like sounds awesome you should move but they also introduced oh and so add on to that potential 17% the 3% fee if you still want to use Apple's Payment Processing if you want to use an alternative Payment Processing you can drop that 3% fee but Apple also introduced an additional core technology fee of half a Euro for each annual install per user after the app crosses of 1 million install threshold and I am almost positive that they make this so hard to understand on purpose yeah like if you if math was your least favorite subject in school this is meant to trick you yeah for sure th it because it doesn't sound like a lot but it's super complicated to to understand to like really grock what's going on here yeah and it it took me a while to wrap my head around it but so essentially the first time a user goes to install an app on their device if they've never installed this app before uh the when they install it the developer will pay half a Euro then that user can install that app anywhere they want on other devices and the developer won't be charged for 12 months 12 months after the day that the user installs the app for the first time then if they uninstall it and reinstall it or install on another device then the developer will be pinged again ding yeah dinged not pinged they won't get a little message reminding them to reply to an email or something um yeah so and that happens for every user over after the app has been installed 1 million times so if you've got 2 million that's half a million euros in fees yes so and they have a handy calculator so developers can go and see how much they might lose see how absolutely ruined they are going to be and most velers it seems if you have a an app that's popular in any way to any degree if you have particularly if you do not have inapp purchases like if you cuz I was thinking about my favorite game back in the day which was Plants versus Zombies the first one before they ruined it and in that game I only paid for that game once yeah but I like to redownload it every few years to play it again I would be financially well the developer would the developer no like I would be punishing them yes yes they would be getting punished for my love Yeah my affection and my Nostalgia for this game and the fact that they're not pushy with inapp purchases mhm that you don't it's not a live service game that's constantly trying to suck the life out of you that would actually be penalized it's by this kind of game but this kind of payment structure and Apple has said that they are like oh we're gonna we're gonna protect against uh people maliciously doing yeah people taking advantage of the system if they want to like can developers UNM maliciously be severely punished by this and that's actually far more likely I think it was it was it was such Whiplash oh and one more thing uh that core technology fee of half a Euro it applies to alternate app marketplaces for every install they don't need are not protected by the 1 million install threshold yeah so you don't have to wait for uh an app Marketplace to be installed a million times now all these numbers like it does it only have to be installed 1 million times in the EU presumably I feel like that's true presumably yeah it must be it'd be weird if it wasn't it'd be weird if like you had like a million installs in like I don't know Tajikistan yeah and you had one install over that limit in the EU and suddenly you owed Apple like a dollar yeah so there's like there's sort of that's un intuitive there there's sort of a you can see Apple's side here a little bit because as we've said EU people say again and again how not popular iPhones are and iMessages in Europe although iPhone is more popular than iMessage that's true a lot of people will still have iPhone WhatsApp on it yeah WhatsApp gets dinged um but yeah this came out and the the the news came out and it seemed like oh my gosh the EU got Apple you know they we've we've been forcing they basically forced them to put USBC in the iPhone yes um Apple finally C to that I think before they really had to but like they made it clear I think at some point I remember a press release inev about how they were like this is worse but we're doing it anyway I guess for you even though the connector's better than lightning whatever um I don't know if it's if it's like a factual thing I always felt that the the lightning connectors wore out faster ah the actual connector that's themselves are are pretty are pretty robust but like the the I found the cables fraying the cables Fray like anything else like nothing else um yeah or maybe that's because I was jumping a rope with them that'll do it um Apple I got I got whiplash when we Rec reported on this it was like wow the EU got apple and then the more you read into it they more like oh this is so this is why people have called it malicious compliance however one one other thing that came out at the same time was Apple announced that globally gaming uh apps uh cloud gaming apps can Now list all of their library and have their library of games accessible from within the iOS app on the app store which was not allowed before yeah they list them all individually well that's what Apple wanted them to do like Xbox Evil 1 Resident Evil 2 res Evil 3 and Code Veronica XO Xbox basically said yeah no we're not doing that and then they just you know had the web app basically you could go to GeForce now.com or Xbox game pass or whatever and you could like use the browser to stream games but it's not it's not a great solution so that at least they kind of like that's the one thing that they unequivocally like gave ground on but the rest of it it's it is it it remains to be seen how the whole Apple versus the EU situation will continue to play out here where do you think where do you see things going from here do you see the EU kind of calling Apple out on this and being like no this is not good enough or are they going to do like a similar thing that they did with imessage because they know that iMessage like qualifies but you know it's it's only their jurisdiction in Europe you know it makes kind of sense so do you think has a lot to do with just how we're defining what a market is it's if we're only defining it as the EU and we're only defining it as a lot of antitrust is like that and it can be quite frustrating because it feels like you know principally you should be doing it this way but no it it it it is done by rule it is done by these esoteric very specific principles that are we have been using legally as jurist Prudence for hundreds of years and they don't really make a lot of sense unless you're very immersed in them yeah I mean that but I I do think that Apple's going to get significantly more push back for what they've been doing with the App Store than they will for like I do not think it's going to go maybe they're not going like maybe Regulators are not going to push them that hard but I cannot imagine they'll just give them a complete carve out and accept these new rules yeah they're just they're ridiculous becauseas actively worse than the rules they were forced to change developers basically have a choice between sticking with Apple's old rules which are the proper right rules that you should follow or switching to this new system because they really really really want to launch a third party uh like like their apps on the third party app store or like epic they want to launch their own third party app store but by doing that they're getting a so much worse of a deal a hefty Financial penalty and basically the only people you know EP epic has said they we're going to launch fortnite on iOS through the Epic game store when we launched that as a a new app Marketplace you know when we later this year but you know like the epic game store it promises to be a losing an exercise in losing money because they're going to be they're still going to be paying Apple crazy amounts of fees if they do this I I half expect them to just say like you know what we're still not going to do it because I I feel like they wanted to take this win quote unquote they wanted to they wanted to Revel a little bit in apple being forced to allow third party app stores by saying haha we're we are going to launch our app store because they just weren't allowed that to do that at all before now they can do it but it's going to be like at what cost at a a big one but the thing is like we're not the only ones who are aware of this like Regulators are likely to be aware that like offering someone a choice that technically exists but is effectively the exact same Choice as before it's just is like well like previously I said you could go by my rules and now you have the option of going by my rules or stepping into this bear trap yeah like I I just I cannot imagine that will fly yeah and then there's the whole question of whether like the EU should be attempting to regulate these companies in this way you know because I as far as as far so far it seems like the EU has kind of like put through regulations that at least to us in the tech sphere we don't you know obviously we we aren't really involved in uh keeping up with with European regulations in non-te uh uh speak for yourself sure yeah potholes I and we can't talk about it now uh even if we are caught up with it but like with other areas of politics we're not going to like delve into like oh the EU is regulating you know like healthc care all these things right we like should there be a tariff on Brussels brout yeah exactly we're we're talking Tech stuff and as far as that we like what the EU has done so far broadly um but the question becomes when do they stop you know like at at at what point will the EU say all right that's enough regulation now like the market is is uh sufficiently deedom IED a little bit so that uh you know it's a bit more fair but I I I hope that they stop at the right Point instead of just continuing to like impose more and more regul ation on companies such that because sometimes you can foster Innovation other times you can stifle Innovation with regulations so I don't know I don't know I'm I don't live in Europe we live in Canada which is essentially the Europe of North America I think you offended a lot of Europeans there and I'm glad primarily because it's a country and not uh okay well let me say goodbye to the Europeans in in their own language thank you for watching guys um don't forget to subscribe to TechLink uh see you okay that might be too offensive to include in the video but I'm not going to do an alternative so we're forced to use it"}