WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:07.440 when Intel released their eighth generation core series processors 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:11.759 they said something that many in the tech community were skeptical of they 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:18.800 said that their eighth generation processors could not work on older lga 00:00:15.920 --> 00:00:24.960 1151 motherboards even though the socket was the same and architecturally the 8th 00:00:21.680 --> 00:00:27.039 gen is not very different from the 7th 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:32.480 and the 6th gen did Intel 00:00:28.840 --> 00:00:32.480 lie well 00:00:32.559 --> 00:00:40.079 we have no way of knowing for sure but what we do have 00:00:36.800 --> 00:00:43.040 is a weird chinese motherboard from 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:49.280 brand what is this onda or something orda whatever whatever this is 00:00:45.360 --> 00:00:52.640 that not only claims to work with 6th 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:57.079 7th and 8th gen cpus 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:57.079 but do it with ddr3 00:00:57.680 --> 00:01:00.719 this is going to be a good one 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:07.439 and it's brought to you by who was it again elgato stream deck the 00:01:05.119 --> 00:01:11.760 elgato stream deck the stream deck is the compact hyper-configurable keypad 00:01:10.080 --> 00:01:16.240 that allows you to do all kinds of things i mean really it works for anything like streaming video editing 00:01:14.720 --> 00:01:24.449 sky's kind of limit check it out and get yours at the link in the video description 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:34.799 now hold on just a gosh darn moment here so this is an 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:36.240 h310c chipset basically the cheapest 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:41.680 thing that you can solder to a motherboard to give it support for an 00:01:38.960 --> 00:01:45.520 Intel processor and 00:01:42.960 --> 00:01:49.759 is that technically 8th gen compatible so have they gone backwards compatible 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:53.520 or have they taken an older one and made it 8th gen compatible here uh it's 00:01:51.759 --> 00:01:57.680 backwards compatible it's not supposed to be backwards compatible 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:02.159 but in this case what they did is they took the h310 chipset which is 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:07.200 8th gen and they decided to just remove any of 00:02:04.399 --> 00:02:11.680 the limits so you can run kb like you can run skylight you can run copy like 00:02:09.440 --> 00:02:15.520 and uh with ddr3 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:19.680 and those of you who know what that means 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:23.440 those cpus all have integrated ddr4 memory controllers now to be clear 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:28.319 Anthony's not saying that this motherboard has no limits 00:02:25.760 --> 00:02:33.200 we can tell by looking at it it most most assuredly has limits this is far 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:38.480 from a high end board i mean do we have a full-sized atx or even just a normal 00:02:35.760 --> 00:02:43.360 matx board to compare this to okay here we go so for perspective 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:49.280 this is a standard full-sized atx board this is an matx board so that's anywhere 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:53.120 from uh one to four expansion slots and 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:56.560 this is the honda we get one pci express 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:58.879 16x slot one 1x slot we get usb 3. i 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:03.040 mean that's that's better than a kick in the teeth three SATA ports because like 00:03:00.959 --> 00:03:07.599 i guess that was the only spare room they could find to put them 00:03:04.959 --> 00:03:12.400 um an 8-pin power connector which surprises me on a board like this and 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:20.239 then pretty limited i o ps2 wow two ps2 ports vga out HDMI for 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:22.879 usb gigabit Ethernet and regular old 5.1 00:03:20.239 --> 00:03:26.159 audio packaging is pretty bare bones too you get kind of a quick start guide 00:03:24.720 --> 00:03:30.720 chinese only an io shield and a SATA cable 00:03:29.200 --> 00:03:34.400 the funny thing is that io shield if you look at it the Ethernet port is optional 00:03:33.040 --> 00:03:40.959 maybe they did that for grounding purposes so you bend this up and make sure it's oh you know what yeah 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:44.720 what do we do see what it can do yeah basically the reason i have this down 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:48.080 here it's got an 8700k in it right now okay um 00:03:46.720 --> 00:03:52.560 i'm a little bit wary of putting an 8700k into that but 00:03:50.480 --> 00:03:56.159 yeah let's fire ups in a bench see what it looks like and then we'll finally put 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:59.120 the 8700k into that and see what it's like with ddr3 if it 00:03:57.760 --> 00:04:03.200 even works we'll be answering the question once and for all that nobody 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:08.799 ever had how well would an 8700k perform if it was limited 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:13.360 to ddr3 so we're using cs go as a benchmark 00:04:10.959 --> 00:04:16.959 because it's easily CPU bottlenecked which is going to tell us then with all 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:22.639 the other hardware being the same if our CPU has its performance hindered 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:24.320 in some way either by the motherboard or 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:28.720 by our memory check this shiz out 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:32.720 there's four jumpers here so you can select either SATA 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:36.639 or PCIe wait it does support PCIe no i don't 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:42.400 think so i think these just allocate the lanes 00:04:40.320 --> 00:04:46.720 oh or something uh 447.23 00:04:45.199 --> 00:04:50.000 and for our final trick here we're gonna run the v-ray benchmark 00:04:48.400 --> 00:04:54.720 then it's time to actually install hardware on this thing it's kind of 00:04:51.840 --> 00:04:57.919 terrifying all right we're done so let's go ahead and uh 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:04.639 let's do this thing so a lot of you probably don't realize 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:11.199 this but there's a very good reason that Intel's eighth generation cpus still 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:14.320 have support for ddr3 and that's mobile 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:18.080 a lot of laptops actually still ship 00:05:14.320 --> 00:05:20.320 with lp ddr3 because the low power ddr4 00:05:18.080 --> 00:05:23.280 at least this is my understanding uh just 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:28.000 did it ever get up to snuff i kind of feel like no like ddr4 itself 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:31.120 is pretty low power so there's that um if that's the case 00:05:29.840 --> 00:05:36.400 though then we need to make sure that we don't enable xmp on this ah why are 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:40.880 these on so tight did you wrench them in i used the screwdriver 00:05:38.960 --> 00:05:45.039 i never actually did inspect that board for bent pins but it looks like it's 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:49.360 fine from here yeah let's find me that looks hilarious 00:05:48.080 --> 00:05:52.560 yeah there's enough there's enough mounting holes it's all good 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:56.639 sure here comes our CPU cooler 00:05:54.960 --> 00:06:00.400 oh man do they not have a right angle they don't feels like the mothership 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:04.639 like descending on the unsuspecting populace 00:06:02.479 --> 00:06:08.560 wow do they even have oh yeah we've got one fan header 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:12.960 uh two fan header 00:06:11.039 --> 00:06:18.880 ah that's about it dang 00:06:15.280 --> 00:06:20.880 there we go all right you ready sure 00:06:18.880 --> 00:06:26.479 now we're gonna have to jump that thing HDMI 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:29.280 okay so so far it's not posting 00:06:26.479 --> 00:06:32.880 uh we expect this have we tried this no this is the first time this board has 00:06:30.960 --> 00:06:37.919 been booted is it possible it's outputting to the on board because it 00:06:34.880 --> 00:06:40.800 doesn't uh you plugged into the wrong 00:06:37.919 --> 00:06:40.800 HDMI cable 00:06:41.440 --> 00:06:44.960 come on baby hey 00:06:46.080 --> 00:06:50.720 well we didn't even get it oh 00:06:49.840 --> 00:06:54.720 oh AMD ryzenmasterdriver.cis there's our 00:06:53.120 --> 00:07:00.479 problem oh yeah okay we can get into safe mode and 00:06:56.479 --> 00:07:04.160 kill that our 8700k is there NVMe 00:07:00.479 --> 00:07:05.319 configuration dang wow it does have NVMe 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:09.919 eight gigs ddr3 suckas 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:15.120 and we could even set it to something else if we wanted but we're gonna leave it default for now okay so let's go 00:07:13.599 --> 00:07:19.120 ahead and save our configuration exit let's get that m.2 drive in there 00:07:17.039 --> 00:07:22.240 oh yeah oh wait that would how difficult is it to extract from this uh just two 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:26.639 screws let's do it 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:30.120 oh yeah you know i like to do it all right 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:39.039 minor glitch oh it would help we plug the GPU in nah now i'm not the only one 00:07:38.080 --> 00:07:45.280 yeah one thing i'll give this board is that it gets into the BIOS real quick no NVMe 00:07:42.479 --> 00:07:48.720 device found okay but what we don't know is if changing those jumpers 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:54.800 will fix it how much was this motherboard anyway it was like 55 00:07:53.440 --> 00:07:59.440 dollars so it wasn't even that cheap no well 00:07:57.280 --> 00:08:02.240 that sucks yeah that's uh that's 55 you're not 00:08:01.280 --> 00:08:07.199 getting back thanks Anthony i had not realized that 00:08:04.400 --> 00:08:10.080 yet until this moment i mean it's past the return date we we've been hanging 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:13.360 out with this board yes thank you Anthony 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:18.160 okay so i've changed them all over to PCIe just to see what happens like does 00:08:15.599 --> 00:08:22.800 that actually take like four individual PCIe lanes and allocate them to SATA is 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:26.160 that what we just did i don't get it we just booted to our SATA drive when i 00:08:24.639 --> 00:08:29.520 just theoretically disabled every state of port on the board 00:08:28.400 --> 00:08:33.839 it could be that you were just individually splicing the lanes over 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:37.599 i that doesn't make sense to me 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:44.159 hey dang 00:08:41.839 --> 00:08:46.560 this thing's pretty cool if it wasn't 50 bucks well 00:08:45.680 --> 00:08:52.000 all right let's get it booted okay so this is it we are looking at a 00:08:50.560 --> 00:08:55.120 desktop 8th gen CPU 00:08:53.680 --> 00:09:02.080 ddr3 uh we need a driver for our network controller here boom 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:06.080 well that didn't take much this is nuts it's not cytelya 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:11.440 yeah why don't you just fire up cpuz or um task manager 00:09:08.880 --> 00:09:16.959 we're turboing so the CPU is behaving as it normally would six cores 12 threads 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:21.920 oh we got our driver we are ready to run benchmarks that was quick yeah cinebench 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:27.600 now do you have an older chip for us to try on this thing yeah that's a 7700k 00:09:23.920 --> 00:09:27.600 right there heck yeah all right cool 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:33.839 which theoretically should not work in a three series chipset theoretically 00:09:32.959 --> 00:09:38.560 oh oh that's ouch 00:09:36.640 --> 00:09:43.760 you know it's funny because back in the ddr3 days we did some testing and 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:47.279 determined that the memory speed of your ddr3 didn't make that much of a 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:52.399 difference but like i guess cpus have gotten faster 00:09:50.640 --> 00:09:57.760 i mean to be fair it's probably running at 1066. it's running at 13.33 yes 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:02.160 cs go time let's cs go 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:05.600 how's your focus motor there how's your control of it 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:09.360 boom what if i was in here boom what if i was out here 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:14.480 sorry i'm just not being very helpful right now actually uh you can cut 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:18.040 wow that is something what did we get 345.12 00:10:18.160 --> 00:10:24.160 i feel like we have to go in try to run the RAM at stock speed at 00:10:21.920 --> 00:10:28.079 least give it sort of enter it and go and see 00:10:26.800 --> 00:10:33.120 what happens and then uh run these again because we 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:37.200 can't i mean we can't accept that what do you want to run it at 00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:44.000 what do you think is fair 1600 or 1866 would have been 00:10:40.560 --> 00:10:45.200 1866 then yeah will it post 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:49.120 looks like it yeah wow hey there we go 00:10:47.760 --> 00:10:52.079 okay all right yeah the cinebench it 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:59.120 i want the local result you worthless piece of garbage and the stupid thing is 00:10:57.760 --> 00:11:03.519 it's not even like it's filtering out exes or something it's like 00:11:01.839 --> 00:11:06.720 there's all these files that have the word cinebench in them 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:11.920 see now it comes up Windows is good 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:18.640 wow that did not improve much no 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:21.120 12 58. what was our last run 00:11:18.640 --> 00:11:24.800 12 54. i i'm not even going to bother running the rest of the benchmarks 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:28.480 clearly that didn't help so the only thing you have to do now is to 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:32.399 put the 7700k in and see if that actually works the only thing left to do 00:11:29.920 --> 00:11:35.600 now is to find out if Intel lied that's what you're trying to say all 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:40.560 right CPU me 00:11:37.680 --> 00:11:45.920 out comes the 8700k so this is the officially supported chip 00:11:43.680 --> 00:11:49.160 and in goes a 7700k 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:55.040 who can we trust Intel 00:11:53.600 --> 00:11:59.600 or the weird chinese motherboard manufacturer we've never heard of 00:11:57.839 --> 00:12:04.640 oh all right let's reset it then 00:12:02.079 --> 00:12:07.920 all right here it goes okay so check this out 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:10.399 7700k uh yeah it went back to 1333 you're 00:12:09.760 --> 00:12:14.639 right ddr3 memory and 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:20.079 h310 chipset so 00:12:18.959 --> 00:12:25.839 was it possible then for Intel to give backwards 00:12:23.680 --> 00:12:29.120 compatibility to their 300 series motherboards 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:34.079 the empirical evidence would suggest that yes 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:38.000 yes in fact they could have done that but as for whether they could have made 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:41.760 the older ones forwards compatible well there's a lot of conflicting evidence 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:48.320 there there are people who have gotten 100 and 200 series chipsets working 00:12:44.959 --> 00:12:50.000 with 8th gen chips like this one but 00:12:48.320 --> 00:12:54.959 we have no way of knowing what the longevity of the motherboard 00:12:52.399 --> 00:13:00.160 and or the CPU would have been so we don't know even if it could have worked 00:12:57.839 --> 00:13:04.240 whether it would have passed Intel's quality control standards 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:08.720 in the meantime you said there was a special surprise for me in this video yes 00:13:06.880 --> 00:13:13.839 as it turns out they released a BIOS update 00:13:11.839 --> 00:13:17.519 and that BIOS update adds another number to the list of supported cpus and that 00:13:16.160 --> 00:13:20.639 number is nine we can go all the way to eight cores on 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:25.519 this thing do we really want to put our 9900k in 00:13:22.959 --> 00:13:29.440 here either it'll work and it'll be oh amazing or 00:13:26.959 --> 00:13:34.320 there'll be a fire so this is it 00:13:31.760 --> 00:13:37.920 moment of truth the latest BIOS is on 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:44.800 so you mentioned different revisions of this motherboard 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:48.240 yeah there's a 1.0 2.0 and 3.0 00:13:44.800 --> 00:13:50.320 this is the 1.0 i probably spoke a 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:53.680 little bit too soon on that one the 3.0 does 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:58.720 support the uh 8th gen or 9th gen 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:05.440 well either way i'm impressed onda made the first motherboard that 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:08.160 i've seen in over 10 years that supports 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:11.600 more than two generations of Intel chips and even though i don't think it's an 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:17.360 amazing deal especially because you're giving up so much of your performance on 00:14:14.560 --> 00:14:21.950 the newer processors thanks to its ddr3 limitation 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:23.600 it's a cool piece of tech and uh 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:30.720 you should you should watch this video about it 00:14:27.920 --> 00:14:33.760 jk you 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