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when Intel released their eighth generation core series processors

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they said something that many in the tech community were skeptical of they

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said that their eighth generation processors could not work on older lga

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1151 motherboards even though the socket was the same and architecturally the 8th

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gen is not very different from the 7th

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and the 6th gen did Intel

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lie well

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we have no way of knowing for sure but what we do have

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is a weird chinese motherboard from

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brand what is this onda or something orda whatever whatever this is

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that not only claims to work with 6th

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7th and 8th gen cpus

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but do it with ddr3

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this is going to be a good one

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now hold on just a gosh darn moment here so this is an

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h310c chipset basically the cheapest

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thing that you can solder to a motherboard to give it support for an

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Intel processor and

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is that technically 8th gen compatible so have they gone backwards compatible

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or have they taken an older one and made it 8th gen compatible here uh it's

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backwards compatible it's not supposed to be backwards compatible

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but in this case what they did is they took the h310 chipset which is

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8th gen and they decided to just remove any of

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the limits so you can run kb like you can run skylight you can run copy like

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and uh with ddr3

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and those of you who know what that means

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those cpus all have integrated ddr4 memory controllers now to be clear

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Anthony's not saying that this motherboard has no limits

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we can tell by looking at it it most most assuredly has limits this is far

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from a high end board i mean do we have a full-sized atx or even just a normal

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matx board to compare this to okay here we go so for perspective

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this is a standard full-sized atx board this is an matx board so that's anywhere

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from uh one to four expansion slots and

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this is the honda we get one pci express

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16x slot one 1x slot we get usb 3. i

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mean that's that's better than a kick in the teeth three SATA ports because like

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i guess that was the only spare room they could find to put them

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um an 8-pin power connector which surprises me on a board like this and

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then pretty limited i o ps2 wow two ps2 ports vga out HDMI for

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usb gigabit Ethernet and regular old 5.1

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audio packaging is pretty bare bones too you get kind of a quick start guide

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chinese only an io shield and a SATA cable

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the funny thing is that io shield if you look at it the Ethernet port is optional

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maybe they did that for grounding purposes so you bend this up and make sure it's oh you know what yeah

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what do we do see what it can do yeah basically the reason i have this down

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here it's got an 8700k in it right now okay um

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i'm a little bit wary of putting an 8700k into that but

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yeah let's fire ups in a bench see what it looks like and then we'll finally put

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the 8700k into that and see what it's like with ddr3 if it

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even works we'll be answering the question once and for all that nobody

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ever had how well would an 8700k perform if it was limited

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to ddr3 so we're using cs go as a benchmark

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because it's easily CPU bottlenecked which is going to tell us then with all

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the other hardware being the same if our CPU has its performance hindered

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in some way either by the motherboard or

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by our memory check this shiz out

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there's four jumpers here so you can select either SATA

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or PCIe wait it does support PCIe no i don't

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think so i think these just allocate the lanes

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oh or something uh 447.23

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and for our final trick here we're gonna run the v-ray benchmark

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then it's time to actually install hardware on this thing it's kind of

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terrifying all right we're done so let's go ahead and uh

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let's do this thing so a lot of you probably don't realize

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this but there's a very good reason that Intel's eighth generation cpus still

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have support for ddr3 and that's mobile

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a lot of laptops actually still ship

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with lp ddr3 because the low power ddr4

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at least this is my understanding uh just

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did it ever get up to snuff i kind of feel like no like ddr4 itself

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is pretty low power so there's that um if that's the case

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though then we need to make sure that we don't enable xmp on this ah why are

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these on so tight did you wrench them in i used the screwdriver

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i never actually did inspect that board for bent pins but it looks like it's

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fine from here yeah let's find me that looks hilarious

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yeah there's enough there's enough mounting holes it's all good

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sure here comes our CPU cooler

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oh man do they not have a right angle they don't feels like the mothership

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like descending on the unsuspecting populace

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wow do they even have oh yeah we've got one fan header

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uh two fan header

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ah that's about it dang

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there we go all right you ready sure

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now we're gonna have to jump that thing HDMI

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okay so so far it's not posting

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uh we expect this have we tried this no this is the first time this board has

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been booted is it possible it's outputting to the on board because it

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doesn't uh you plugged into the wrong

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HDMI cable

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come on baby hey

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well we didn't even get it oh

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oh AMD ryzenmasterdriver.cis there's our

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problem oh yeah okay we can get into safe mode and

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kill that our 8700k is there NVMe

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configuration dang wow it does have NVMe

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eight gigs ddr3 suckas

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and we could even set it to something else if we wanted but we're gonna leave it default for now okay so let's go

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ahead and save our configuration exit let's get that m.2 drive in there

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oh yeah oh wait that would how difficult is it to extract from this uh just two

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screws let's do it

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oh yeah you know i like to do it all right

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minor glitch oh it would help we plug the GPU in nah now i'm not the only one

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yeah one thing i'll give this board is that it gets into the BIOS real quick no NVMe

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device found okay but what we don't know is if changing those jumpers

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will fix it how much was this motherboard anyway it was like 55

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dollars so it wasn't even that cheap no well

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that sucks yeah that's uh that's 55 you're not

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getting back thanks Anthony i had not realized that

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yet until this moment i mean it's past the return date we we've been hanging

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out with this board yes thank you Anthony

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okay so i've changed them all over to PCIe just to see what happens like does

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that actually take like four individual PCIe lanes and allocate them to SATA is

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that what we just did i don't get it we just booted to our SATA drive when i

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just theoretically disabled every state of port on the board

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it could be that you were just individually splicing the lanes over

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i that doesn't make sense to me

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hey dang

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this thing's pretty cool if it wasn't 50 bucks well

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all right let's get it booted okay so this is it we are looking at a

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desktop 8th gen CPU

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ddr3 uh we need a driver for our network controller here boom

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well that didn't take much this is nuts it's not cytelya

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yeah why don't you just fire up cpuz or um task manager

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we're turboing so the CPU is behaving as it normally would six cores 12 threads

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oh we got our driver we are ready to run benchmarks that was quick yeah cinebench

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now do you have an older chip for us to try on this thing yeah that's a 7700k

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right there heck yeah all right cool

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which theoretically should not work in a three series chipset theoretically

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oh oh that's ouch

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you know it's funny because back in the ddr3 days we did some testing and

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determined that the memory speed of your ddr3 didn't make that much of a

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difference but like i guess cpus have gotten faster

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i mean to be fair it's probably running at 1066. it's running at 13.33 yes

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cs go time let's cs go

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how's your focus motor there how's your control of it

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boom what if i was in here boom what if i was out here

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sorry i'm just not being very helpful right now actually uh you can cut

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wow that is something what did we get 345.12

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i feel like we have to go in try to run the RAM at stock speed at

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least give it sort of enter it and go and see

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what happens and then uh run these again because we

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can't i mean we can't accept that what do you want to run it at

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what do you think is fair 1600 or 1866 would have been

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1866 then yeah will it post

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looks like it yeah wow hey there we go

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okay all right yeah the cinebench it

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i want the local result you worthless piece of garbage and the stupid thing is

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it's not even like it's filtering out exes or something it's like

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there's all these files that have the word cinebench in them

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see now it comes up Windows is good

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wow that did not improve much no

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12 58. what was our last run

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12 54. i i'm not even going to bother running the rest of the benchmarks

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clearly that didn't help so the only thing you have to do now is to

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put the 7700k in and see if that actually works the only thing left to do

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now is to find out if Intel lied that's what you're trying to say all

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right CPU me

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out comes the 8700k so this is the officially supported chip

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and in goes a 7700k

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who can we trust Intel

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or the weird chinese motherboard manufacturer we've never heard of

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oh all right let's reset it then

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all right here it goes okay so check this out

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7700k uh yeah it went back to 1333 you're

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right ddr3 memory and

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h310 chipset so

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was it possible then for Intel to give backwards

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compatibility to their 300 series motherboards

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the empirical evidence would suggest that yes

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yes in fact they could have done that but as for whether they could have made

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the older ones forwards compatible well there's a lot of conflicting evidence

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there there are people who have gotten 100 and 200 series chipsets working

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with 8th gen chips like this one but

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we have no way of knowing what the longevity of the motherboard

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and or the CPU would have been so we don't know even if it could have worked

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whether it would have passed Intel's quality control standards

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in the meantime you said there was a special surprise for me in this video yes

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as it turns out they released a BIOS update

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and that BIOS update adds another number to the list of supported cpus and that

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number is nine we can go all the way to eight cores on

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this thing do we really want to put our 9900k in

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here either it'll work and it'll be oh amazing or

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there'll be a fire so this is it

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moment of truth the latest BIOS is on

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so you mentioned different revisions of this motherboard

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yeah there's a 1.0 2.0 and 3.0

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this is the 1.0 i probably spoke a

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little bit too soon on that one the 3.0 does

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support the uh 8th gen or 9th gen

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well either way i'm impressed onda made the first motherboard that

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i've seen in over 10 years that supports

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more than two generations of Intel chips and even though i don't think it's an

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amazing deal especially because you're giving up so much of your performance on

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the newer processors thanks to its ddr3 limitation

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it's a cool piece of tech and uh

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you should you should watch this video about it

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