when Intel released their eighth generation core series processors
they said something that many in the tech community were skeptical of they
said that their eighth generation processors could not work on older lga
1151 motherboards even though the socket was the same and architecturally the 8th
gen is not very different from the 7th
and the 6th gen did Intel
lie well
we have no way of knowing for sure but what we do have
is a weird chinese motherboard from
brand what is this onda or something orda whatever whatever this is
that not only claims to work with 6th
7th and 8th gen cpus
but do it with ddr3
this is going to be a good one
and it's brought to you by who was it again elgato stream deck the
elgato stream deck the stream deck is the compact hyper-configurable keypad
that allows you to do all kinds of things i mean really it works for anything like streaming video editing
sky's kind of limit check it out and get yours at the link in the video description
now hold on just a gosh darn moment here so this is an
h310c chipset basically the cheapest
thing that you can solder to a motherboard to give it support for an
Intel processor and
is that technically 8th gen compatible so have they gone backwards compatible
or have they taken an older one and made it 8th gen compatible here uh it's
backwards compatible it's not supposed to be backwards compatible
but in this case what they did is they took the h310 chipset which is
8th gen and they decided to just remove any of
the limits so you can run kb like you can run skylight you can run copy like
and uh with ddr3
and those of you who know what that means
those cpus all have integrated ddr4 memory controllers now to be clear
Anthony's not saying that this motherboard has no limits
we can tell by looking at it it most most assuredly has limits this is far
from a high end board i mean do we have a full-sized atx or even just a normal
matx board to compare this to okay here we go so for perspective
this is a standard full-sized atx board this is an matx board so that's anywhere
from uh one to four expansion slots and
this is the honda we get one pci express
16x slot one 1x slot we get usb 3. i
mean that's that's better than a kick in the teeth three SATA ports because like
i guess that was the only spare room they could find to put them
um an 8-pin power connector which surprises me on a board like this and
then pretty limited i o ps2 wow two ps2 ports vga out HDMI for
usb gigabit Ethernet and regular old 5.1
audio packaging is pretty bare bones too you get kind of a quick start guide
chinese only an io shield and a SATA cable
the funny thing is that io shield if you look at it the Ethernet port is optional
maybe they did that for grounding purposes so you bend this up and make sure it's oh you know what yeah
what do we do see what it can do yeah basically the reason i have this down
here it's got an 8700k in it right now okay um
i'm a little bit wary of putting an 8700k into that but
yeah let's fire ups in a bench see what it looks like and then we'll finally put
the 8700k into that and see what it's like with ddr3 if it
even works we'll be answering the question once and for all that nobody
ever had how well would an 8700k perform if it was limited
to ddr3 so we're using cs go as a benchmark
because it's easily CPU bottlenecked which is going to tell us then with all
the other hardware being the same if our CPU has its performance hindered
in some way either by the motherboard or
by our memory check this shiz out
there's four jumpers here so you can select either SATA
or PCIe wait it does support PCIe no i don't
think so i think these just allocate the lanes
oh or something uh 447.23
and for our final trick here we're gonna run the v-ray benchmark
then it's time to actually install hardware on this thing it's kind of
terrifying all right we're done so let's go ahead and uh
let's do this thing so a lot of you probably don't realize
this but there's a very good reason that Intel's eighth generation cpus still
have support for ddr3 and that's mobile
a lot of laptops actually still ship
with lp ddr3 because the low power ddr4
at least this is my understanding uh just
did it ever get up to snuff i kind of feel like no like ddr4 itself
is pretty low power so there's that um if that's the case
though then we need to make sure that we don't enable xmp on this ah why are
these on so tight did you wrench them in i used the screwdriver
i never actually did inspect that board for bent pins but it looks like it's
fine from here yeah let's find me that looks hilarious
yeah there's enough there's enough mounting holes it's all good
sure here comes our CPU cooler
oh man do they not have a right angle they don't feels like the mothership
like descending on the unsuspecting populace
wow do they even have oh yeah we've got one fan header
uh two fan header
ah that's about it dang
there we go all right you ready sure
now we're gonna have to jump that thing HDMI
okay so so far it's not posting
uh we expect this have we tried this no this is the first time this board has
been booted is it possible it's outputting to the on board because it
doesn't uh you plugged into the wrong
HDMI cable
come on baby hey
well we didn't even get it oh
oh AMD ryzenmasterdriver.cis there's our
problem oh yeah okay we can get into safe mode and
kill that our 8700k is there NVMe
configuration dang wow it does have NVMe
eight gigs ddr3 suckas
and we could even set it to something else if we wanted but we're gonna leave it default for now okay so let's go
ahead and save our configuration exit let's get that m.2 drive in there
oh yeah oh wait that would how difficult is it to extract from this uh just two
screws let's do it
oh yeah you know i like to do it all right
minor glitch oh it would help we plug the GPU in nah now i'm not the only one
yeah one thing i'll give this board is that it gets into the BIOS real quick no NVMe
device found okay but what we don't know is if changing those jumpers
will fix it how much was this motherboard anyway it was like 55
dollars so it wasn't even that cheap no well
that sucks yeah that's uh that's 55 you're not
getting back thanks Anthony i had not realized that
yet until this moment i mean it's past the return date we we've been hanging
out with this board yes thank you Anthony
okay so i've changed them all over to PCIe just to see what happens like does
that actually take like four individual PCIe lanes and allocate them to SATA is
that what we just did i don't get it we just booted to our SATA drive when i
just theoretically disabled every state of port on the board
it could be that you were just individually splicing the lanes over
i that doesn't make sense to me
hey dang
this thing's pretty cool if it wasn't 50 bucks well
all right let's get it booted okay so this is it we are looking at a
desktop 8th gen CPU
ddr3 uh we need a driver for our network controller here boom
well that didn't take much this is nuts it's not cytelya
yeah why don't you just fire up cpuz or um task manager
we're turboing so the CPU is behaving as it normally would six cores 12 threads
oh we got our driver we are ready to run benchmarks that was quick yeah cinebench
now do you have an older chip for us to try on this thing yeah that's a 7700k
right there heck yeah all right cool
which theoretically should not work in a three series chipset theoretically
oh oh that's ouch
you know it's funny because back in the ddr3 days we did some testing and
determined that the memory speed of your ddr3 didn't make that much of a
difference but like i guess cpus have gotten faster
i mean to be fair it's probably running at 1066. it's running at 13.33 yes
cs go time let's cs go
how's your focus motor there how's your control of it
boom what if i was in here boom what if i was out here
sorry i'm just not being very helpful right now actually uh you can cut
wow that is something what did we get 345.12
i feel like we have to go in try to run the RAM at stock speed at
least give it sort of enter it and go and see
what happens and then uh run these again because we
can't i mean we can't accept that what do you want to run it at
what do you think is fair 1600 or 1866 would have been
1866 then yeah will it post
looks like it yeah wow hey there we go
okay all right yeah the cinebench it
i want the local result you worthless piece of garbage and the stupid thing is
it's not even like it's filtering out exes or something it's like
there's all these files that have the word cinebench in them
see now it comes up Windows is good
wow that did not improve much no
12 58. what was our last run
12 54. i i'm not even going to bother running the rest of the benchmarks
clearly that didn't help so the only thing you have to do now is to
put the 7700k in and see if that actually works the only thing left to do
now is to find out if Intel lied that's what you're trying to say all
right CPU me
out comes the 8700k so this is the officially supported chip
and in goes a 7700k
who can we trust Intel
or the weird chinese motherboard manufacturer we've never heard of
oh all right let's reset it then
all right here it goes okay so check this out
7700k uh yeah it went back to 1333 you're
right ddr3 memory and
h310 chipset so
was it possible then for Intel to give backwards
compatibility to their 300 series motherboards
the empirical evidence would suggest that yes
yes in fact they could have done that but as for whether they could have made
the older ones forwards compatible well there's a lot of conflicting evidence
there there are people who have gotten 100 and 200 series chipsets working
with 8th gen chips like this one but
we have no way of knowing what the longevity of the motherboard
and or the CPU would have been so we don't know even if it could have worked
whether it would have passed Intel's quality control standards
in the meantime you said there was a special surprise for me in this video yes
as it turns out they released a BIOS update
and that BIOS update adds another number to the list of supported cpus and that
number is nine we can go all the way to eight cores on
this thing do we really want to put our 9900k in
here either it'll work and it'll be oh amazing or
there'll be a fire so this is it
moment of truth the latest BIOS is on
so you mentioned different revisions of this motherboard
yeah there's a 1.0 2.0 and 3.0
this is the 1.0 i probably spoke a
little bit too soon on that one the 3.0 does
support the uh 8th gen or 9th gen
well either way i'm impressed onda made the first motherboard that
i've seen in over 10 years that supports
more than two generations of Intel chips and even though i don't think it's an
amazing deal especially because you're giving up so much of your performance on
the newer processors thanks to its ddr3 limitation
it's a cool piece of tech and uh
you should you should watch this video about it
jk you already did speaking of watching the whole video
this message from our sponsor thermaltake the thermaltake a500
aluminum mid tower has a minimalistic design with brushed aluminum for a clean
uninterrupted look it's got hinged tempered glass panels on both sides it
fits radiators up to 420 millimeters on the front and it's got up to four two
and a half or three and a half inch hard drive mounts on the left side panel or
on top of the power supply cover it's got a usb type-c port and you can get it
for yourself at the link in the video description so thanks for watching guys if you
disliked this video you can hit that button but if you liked it hit like get
subscribed or maybe consider checking out where to buy the stuff we featured
at the link below while you're down there you can also check out our merch
store which has cool shirts like this one and our community forum which is
totally worth joining