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you","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":901.04,"end_s":906.079,"text":"disliked this video you can hit that button but if you liked it hit like get","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":904.72,"end_s":909.68,"text":"subscribed or maybe consider checking out where to buy the stuff we featured","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":907.76,"end_s":912.399,"text":"at the link below while you're down there you can also check out our merch","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":911.12,"end_s":918.04,"text":"store which has cool shirts like this one and our community forum which is","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":914.24,"end_s":918.04,"text":"totally worth joining","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0}],"full_text":"when Intel released their eighth generation core series processors they said something that many in the tech community were skeptical of they said that their eighth generation processors could not work on older lga 1151 motherboards even though the socket was the same and architecturally the 8th gen is not very different from the 7th and the 6th gen did Intel lie well we have no way of knowing for sure but what we do have is a weird chinese motherboard from brand what is this onda or something orda whatever whatever this is that not only claims to work with 6th 7th and 8th gen cpus but do it with ddr3 this is going to be a good one and it's brought to you by who was it again elgato stream deck the elgato stream deck the stream deck is the compact hyper-configurable keypad that allows you to do all kinds of things i mean really it works for anything like streaming video editing sky's kind of limit check it out and get yours at the link in the video description now hold on just a gosh darn moment here so this is an h310c chipset basically the cheapest thing that you can solder to a motherboard to give it support for an Intel processor and is that technically 8th gen compatible so have they gone backwards compatible or have they taken an older one and made it 8th gen compatible here uh it's backwards compatible it's not supposed to be backwards compatible but in this case what they did is they took the h310 chipset which is 8th gen and they decided to just remove any of the limits so you can run kb like you can run skylight you can run copy like and uh with ddr3 and those of you who know what that means those cpus all have integrated ddr4 memory controllers now to be clear Anthony's not saying that this motherboard has no limits we can tell by looking at it it most most assuredly has limits this is far from a high end board i mean do we have a full-sized atx or even just a normal matx board to compare this to okay here we go so for perspective this is a standard full-sized atx board this is an matx board so that's anywhere from uh one to four expansion slots and this is the honda we get one pci express 16x slot one 1x slot we get usb 3. i mean that's that's better than a kick in the teeth three SATA ports because like i guess that was the only spare room they could find to put them um an 8-pin power connector which surprises me on a board like this and then pretty limited i o ps2 wow two ps2 ports vga out HDMI for usb gigabit Ethernet and regular old 5.1 audio packaging is pretty bare bones too you get kind of a quick start guide chinese only an io shield and a SATA cable the funny thing is that io shield if you look at it the Ethernet port is optional maybe they did that for grounding purposes so you bend this up and make sure it's oh you know what yeah what do we do see what it can do yeah basically the reason i have this down here it's got an 8700k in it right now okay um i'm a little bit wary of putting an 8700k into that but yeah let's fire ups in a bench see what it looks like and then we'll finally put the 8700k into that and see what it's like with ddr3 if it even works we'll be answering the question once and for all that nobody ever had how well would an 8700k perform if it was limited to ddr3 so we're using cs go as a benchmark because it's easily CPU bottlenecked which is going to tell us then with all the other hardware being the same if our CPU has its performance hindered in some way either by the motherboard or by our memory check this shiz out there's four jumpers here so you can select either SATA or PCIe wait it does support PCIe no i don't think so i think these just allocate the lanes oh or something uh 447.23 and for our final trick here we're gonna run the v-ray benchmark then it's time to actually install hardware on this thing it's kind of terrifying all right we're done so let's go ahead and uh let's do this thing so a lot of you probably don't realize this but there's a very good reason that Intel's eighth generation cpus still have support for ddr3 and that's mobile a lot of laptops actually still ship with lp ddr3 because the low power ddr4 at least this is my understanding uh just did it ever get up to snuff i kind of feel like no like ddr4 itself is pretty low power so there's that um if that's the case though then we need to make sure that we don't enable xmp on this ah why are these on so tight did you wrench them in i used the screwdriver i never actually did inspect that board for bent pins but it looks like it's fine from here yeah let's find me that looks hilarious yeah there's enough there's enough mounting holes it's all good sure here comes our CPU cooler oh man do they not have a right angle they don't feels like the mothership like descending on the unsuspecting populace wow do they even have oh yeah we've got one fan header uh two fan header ah that's about it dang there we go all right you ready sure now we're gonna have to jump that thing HDMI okay so so far it's not posting uh we expect this have we tried this no this is the first time this board has been booted is it possible it's outputting to the on board because it doesn't uh you plugged into the wrong HDMI cable come on baby hey well we didn't even get it oh oh AMD ryzenmasterdriver.cis there's our problem oh yeah okay we can get into safe mode and kill that our 8700k is there NVMe configuration dang wow it does have NVMe eight gigs ddr3 suckas and we could even set it to something else if we wanted but we're gonna leave it default for now okay so let's go ahead and save our configuration exit let's get that m.2 drive in there oh yeah oh wait that would how difficult is it to extract from this uh just two screws let's do it oh yeah you know i like to do it all right minor glitch oh it would help we plug the GPU in nah now i'm not the only one yeah one thing i'll give this board is that it gets into the BIOS real quick no NVMe device found okay but what we don't know is if changing those jumpers will fix it how much was this motherboard anyway it was like 55 dollars so it wasn't even that cheap no well that sucks yeah that's uh that's 55 you're not getting back thanks Anthony i had not realized that yet until this moment i mean it's past the return date we we've been hanging out with this board yes thank you Anthony okay so i've changed them all over to PCIe just to see what happens like does that actually take like four individual PCIe lanes and allocate them to SATA is that what we just did i don't get it we just booted to our SATA drive when i just theoretically disabled every state of port on the board it could be that you were just individually splicing the lanes over i that doesn't make sense to me hey dang this thing's pretty cool if it wasn't 50 bucks well all right let's get it booted okay so this is it we are looking at a desktop 8th gen CPU ddr3 uh we need a driver for our network controller here boom well that didn't take much this is nuts it's not cytelya yeah why don't you just fire up cpuz or um task manager we're turboing so the CPU is behaving as it normally would six cores 12 threads oh we got our driver we are ready to run benchmarks that was quick yeah cinebench now do you have an older chip for us to try on this thing yeah that's a 7700k right there heck yeah all right cool which theoretically should not work in a three series chipset theoretically oh oh that's ouch you know it's funny because back in the ddr3 days we did some testing and determined that the memory speed of your ddr3 didn't make that much of a difference but like i guess cpus have gotten faster i mean to be fair it's probably running at 1066. it's running at 13.33 yes cs go time let's cs go how's your focus motor there how's your control of it boom what if i was in here boom what if i was out here sorry i'm just not being very helpful right now actually uh you can cut wow that is something what did we get 345.12 i feel like we have to go in try to run the RAM at stock speed at least give it sort of enter it and go and see what happens and then uh run these again because we can't i mean we can't accept that what do you want to run it at what do you think is fair 1600 or 1866 would have been 1866 then yeah will it post looks like it yeah wow hey there we go okay all right yeah the cinebench it i want the local result you worthless piece of garbage and the stupid thing is it's not even like it's filtering out exes or something it's like there's all these files that have the word cinebench in them see now it comes up Windows is good wow that did not improve much no 12 58. what was our last run 12 54. i i'm not even going to bother running the rest of the benchmarks clearly that didn't help so the only thing you have to do now is to put the 7700k in and see if that actually works the only thing left to do now is to find out if Intel lied that's what you're trying to say all right CPU me out comes the 8700k so this is the officially supported chip and in goes a 7700k who can we trust Intel or the weird chinese motherboard manufacturer we've never heard of oh all right let's reset it then all right here it goes okay so check this out 7700k uh yeah it went back to 1333 you're right ddr3 memory and h310 chipset so was it possible then for Intel to give backwards compatibility to their 300 series motherboards the empirical evidence would suggest that yes yes in fact they could have done that but as for whether they could have made the older ones forwards compatible well there's a lot of conflicting evidence there there are people who have gotten 100 and 200 series chipsets working with 8th gen chips like this one but we have no way of knowing what the longevity of the motherboard and or the CPU would have been so we don't know even if it could have worked whether it would have passed Intel's quality control standards in the meantime you said there was a special surprise for me in this video yes as it turns out they released a BIOS update and that BIOS update adds another number to the list of supported cpus and that number is nine we can go all the way to eight cores on this thing do we really want to put our 9900k in here either it'll work and it'll be oh amazing or there'll be a fire so this is it moment of truth the latest BIOS is on so you mentioned different revisions of this motherboard yeah there's a 1.0 2.0 and 3.0 this is the 1.0 i probably spoke a little bit too soon on that one the 3.0 does support the uh 8th gen or 9th gen well either way i'm impressed onda made the first motherboard that i've seen in over 10 years that supports more than two generations of Intel chips and even though i don't think it's an amazing deal especially because you're giving up so much of your performance on the newer processors thanks to its ddr3 limitation it's a cool piece of tech and uh you should you should watch this video about it jk you already did speaking of watching the whole video this message from our sponsor thermaltake the thermaltake a500 aluminum mid tower has a minimalistic design with brushed aluminum for a clean uninterrupted look it's got hinged tempered glass panels on both sides it fits radiators up to 420 millimeters on the front and it's got up to 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