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talk linked it's back with the number

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one co-host uh as voted by you the

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viewers of America I feel like I haven't been on talking in like two and a half years well that's because we haven't

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done it in like two and a half years all right let's get into it but then we started doing it and guess what we're

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talking about today James uh AI generated art see this is why I love you

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on talk linked you just want to cut right to the point yeah don't waste the beer's time

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information density let's go I

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just want to know how you're doing

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the reason we're here is because a news

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story just came out today about a synthetic media artist Jason Allen I

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think that actually came out yesterday but he won the Colorado State Fair Fine

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Arts competition in the Digital Arts category and good for him you know

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those judges got to catch up yeah uh wait why what do you mean

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because an AI generated his entry oh well that was the key that was the key

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detail that I hadn't gotten to yet yes the reason he won was because he isn't

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actually an artist at all arguably

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he used an AI called mid-journey and

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used a special prompt that he will be publishing quote unquote at a later date

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that's this whole process his uh 11 herbs of spices is that secret prompt

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right exactly what combination of text yielded this art piece yeah so so the

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whole story came about firstly because of this tweet that I'll click into

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um that someone was very upset about this

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but apparently um he goes by sincarnate on on Discord

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or whatever and he talked about his his

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win here and uh he's like hey that's so great look at this I I used a a personal

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project he's made using mid-journey and uh yeah people are upset about it

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James is AI art art

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first of all is it art and then we'll talk about whether you know you can take

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credit for it oh that's let's just start

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with the most philosophical and Abstract question like I guess the Crux of any

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anyone who squeamish to answer that with anything but a fast yes or no uh the

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that person was probably grappling with the question of does art need to be

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generated by humans really what it comes down to is it art uh

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in order to answer that question you have to you have to ask what is art well

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I think the thing with art is the fuzziness of it and when you're talking

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about a computer generating it it seems more like a computation this is an

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output it's deterministic the machine will create this output every single

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time because it's a computer but that's actually not true because these art

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generators they output multiple different iterations every time you hit

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enter right so even with the same text prompt you probably won't get this exact

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piece ever again so in that sense it still has that ephemeral quality of it

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and that fuzziness that making it art see I would argue

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that's a good point thank you but I would argue that art has to have

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some sort of intentionality behind it

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because if it wasn't intended to be produced in a certain way then

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it may evoke feelings in it in the viewer or in in the ex person

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experiencing it you know whether it's whether it's an image or music or

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whatever it may evoke certain feelings

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but you go and watch it you go and look at a beautiful mountain and you feel

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something that doesn't make the mountain art so you're saying that uh so there's

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an intentionality of the person creating the prompt this is a collaborative collaborative effort between the person

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at the keyboard and the AI yes and the person at the keyboard has an intention

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of what they want that's why they they create the string that they do in the

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way that they create it however there is a distance there where I just have to

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roll the dice and see what the AI is going to Output right it just gives you

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a random like uh here's a few things yeah and so I don't I don't control that

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I can try to approximate it with my words but but then with the so then the

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the thing actually doing the generation of the art the AI it doesn't have

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intentionality well it's intention is to try to closely you know produce

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something that matches what you've said but it doesn't have a it's not trying to make a statement you know it doesn't so

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this collaborative effort the intentionality is kind of severed so exactly that's why I think it's not art

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yeah I feel like you need to have well so I I think the the thing that just

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popped in my head was like I Choose Your Own Adventure story

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or like a multiple choice test let's go let's Choose Your Own Adventure uh an

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author has written out a number of possible branching paths for a story to

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take and as you're reading this choose your own I'm thinking about the books

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but like that's not really a thing anymore maybe it is let's say it's a Netflix it's a Netflix uh just keep it

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as books sure it's one of these books that used to exist

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the options presented to me by this person that actually generated something

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and I'm gonna choose this one and

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okay now you're going along this path but that doesn't mean that you generated

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that story you just put in an input

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you're putting in some inputs to some system the system is generating right

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but so this system just has Myriad just in just infinitely more inputs and even

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based on work that was actually originally created by real human artists

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very interesting technology that we should explore I think that right now

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it's kind of like the wild west where there isn't any regulation people are

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still asking these questions we're having a talk like right now talking

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about it uh so we need to have these conversations and then like break it

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future of artistry as like a career or even competitions or even competitions

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like do you have to film yourself for creating the art now and submit that as

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well as your competition which is what package which is what one person on a on

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art competition using AI art and the key detail is that he did not

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it's the the details seem a little murky right now but at least

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some of the judges have said that they didn't know it was AI art and he has

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said himself that he's like oh what I needed to let them know that was in the

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vice article I believe at the at the bottom

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um I mean I don't know anything about this person's intentions but it's pretty obvious that there wasn't the spirit of

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the competition exactly exactly I mean I can understand

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this is almost like a form of performance art like it's a stunt exactly exactly I can understand him

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saying you know okay I'm gonna I'm gonna I want to bring attention to this yeah I

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want to show what this tool mid-journey can do so I'm going to stealthily enter

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uh with my AI art and then when I win I'm gonna be like haha look at this I

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this is actually a i I are now I've started a conversation and now we're

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talking about this but then I think what he should have done is

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be like okay but I didn't actually win your surprise money yeah yeah because

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now you have these people who actually created Art losing and they're like

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because it's a stinky stinky because there are people who are outraged and

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they're and they're disappointed that the world's going this way and they're

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worried about the future and what this means for artists around the world and the volume of art that will be created

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by humans going forward and it's kind of dystopian but it that that dystopian

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that like they're they're it happened there's

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building this technology in the early days it's like oh this enter the scammers enter the scammers and the pump

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and dumpers and now the whole they're you know there's all these scams out

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bad and it should never be used and it can only be used for as it's pump enough

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stuff and then you have people being like okay wait but remember in the early

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days there was this promise and we could use it for that still but the well is

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poisoned yeah and I think that's happening a little bit with air right

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it's going to be a way different outcome though because the AI art is just it's

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much it's simpler it's more straightforward the future is here now

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deal with it now you know what I mean like uh all graphic artists

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you're in trouble right within the next two years uh stock imagery sites you're

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in trouble yeah this is going to upend Industries and change laws for sure you

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know and and it's and it's moving super rapidly like this technology at the

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beginning of this year was super super rudimentary and it wasn't available and

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then open AI released Dolly too uh

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think it's called and now you go and there's lists of like the 10 coolest uh

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era well it's getting even crazier because Dolly had some built-in kind of

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filters where you couldn't do you can't do a human's face right you can't you

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can't do pornography right uh whereas stability AI yeah stable diffusion yeah

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just so you don't type something in and get a result that's pornographic and

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you're like oh I didn't want that right but you can disable this filter

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and you can you can create celebrity likenesses you can make like I've seen a

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bunch of pictures of Charlize Theron's face I knew it was her there was no

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label saying it was Charlize Theron yeah I could tell it's her in multiple Styles and angles right uh and so it's

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what does this mean yeah exactly this is you can run this on your desktop GPU

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it's only supports NVIDIA gpus right now but I don't have to rely on a cloud

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service for this yeah I mean like when deep fakes first came out people were

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like oh my gosh people are using their gpus to like run these computations and

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do it at home and that was one thing because if you didn't really have access

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those computations then you wouldn't be able to make deep fakes but now all of

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these air generators are on the web you can just go to a URL and put in a prompt

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and get images and so this is a TechCrunch article talking about what we

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for Now what's the difference with defects this is just images for now not

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video but it'll be video within two or three for sure for sure I mean yeah like

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generators uh quite soon like have you watched like that really low quality

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animated children's content on YouTube like not to throw a little baby bum

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under the bus but little baby bum is just it's nursery rhyme songs with just

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like pretty bad animation a lot of 3D animation along with it and kids love it

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my kid watched it for a year and a half straight every day all day like just

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love it um in the future you could potentially just play the song and just have the

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animation generated and just put that onto your YouTube channel even less work

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and you can monetize that YouTube channel and get rich very easily yeah I

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don't doubt that that that is the future I mean uh that's video stuff uh and we

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have to watch out for that coming but I mean yeah the still images are being

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used right now this is an Atlantic article from earlier this month I love

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the Atlantic I I do as well you subscribe no no you should uh but I when

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people send a link and it's an Atlantic link I'm like okay I'm out of taste

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anyway what's in the article um this uh you know it's a it's a regular article

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no AI was uh involved in the creation of the words but that's a that's a

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mid-journey created image uh it says the prompt was Alex Jones inside an American

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office under fluorescent lights that's the perfect use for that yeah and there

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goes the graphic designer's job right so that is something that would be

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designers will continue to exist and I think they will use these tools you know

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when you're specking out a job you're probably going to go all right well

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um using one of these tools right uh which one of you like right you like

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this one okay now I'll go and make a better version of that exactly because a

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lot of these things when you zoom in they're actually not that nice so you

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might not use it for like your corporate logo or something like that although there are Services which use AI to

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industry uh style them you maybe want and they will create AI created logo for

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you and I'm sure like there are options and then I'm sure you can yeah depending

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on that AI like who has the copyright because with Dali Dali retains the

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copyright to the images that you generate right which is weird kind of

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dolly dolly retains yeah it does yeah

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not you see but that's the thing is that like

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should they have copyright at all because what is Dolly trained on they're trained on all of these other artists

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that initially created the work the whole internet like it's just a general web scrape of paid content like

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those billions of things and monetize it while putting Shutterstock out of

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business oh my God that's totally not fair I think in the future it could be

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possible that anyone who wants to uh create one of these models using a

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corpus of imagery will have to license all that imagery to feed the model but

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like how do you enforce that yeah I mean we need regulation which is

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to even think about how long it'll be before a bunch of old people in you know

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the US Congress or senate or elsewhere uh start to like become familiar with

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this as a phenomenon and then craft legislation around it it's gonna be a

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while yeah it's not gonna happen and well it could happen it'll just be a

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couple years yeah it's gonna be a rocky road there's other legal aspects as well

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celebrity space you could sell a painting of Morgan Freeman and could I

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it's his photo it's not just his likeness that makes the work cool it's that you stylized it right and it came

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from raw materials like paint uh then you don't even need to get this person's

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permission especially if it's just a one-off like you're you're making

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caricatures or something on the street on Vegas like rather than making this

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one RP so I'm gonna make a bazillion up and sell them all right if you if you

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were doing that with a picture of Morgan Freeman's face you'd probably run into

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some sort of yeah it's similar to fair use in that one of the pillars of it is

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does it materially impact that person's ability to monetize their likeness right

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right right right if you make one painting of Morgan Freeman and sell it

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to one person I mean depending on how expensive it is

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maybe Morgan Freeman would want would be like hey wait it's a question because

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now you've got this thing that can

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create many thousands of images of Morgan Freeman right but it's only

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creating them you made one and sold it

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and that it was inconsequential yeah because Riley just sold one so Morgan

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Freeman's not gonna sell no one's no Morgan Freeman's not gonna sue you yeah no one's paying millions of dollars of

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art for my art but what if millions of individuals each make their own Morgan

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Freeman thing so it does materially impact his ability to monetize his

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likeness right but there's no individual to attack as each individual only sold

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at once so do you attack the open source

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well honestly that's kind of the question we're we're faced with here because because these AI generators are

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mass producing now now that a million people millions of people have access to

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these online they sign up for the wait list there's there's not even like the

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like the big ones the really good ones you have to sign up like Dolly you had

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to register for and wait until you get access stable diffusion well same thing

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but they publicly released it now stable yeah it's publicly released there are

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there's there's tens of these dozens of these more uh online that you can just

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go to a URL and put it in you don't need to wait at all so now there are millions

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of people potentially using these are art generators to generate

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countless works of art based on whatever

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yeah original art pieces by human people yeah that's the other thing because

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they're not coming from raw material yeah it's not like your paint on the canvas the materials are coming from

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these other presumably copyrighted oftentimes I just had a I just I just

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had a conversation with with David uh prior to this about

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uh you know whether this is like plagiarism or not and I'm like well okay

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so it's not plagiarism because you're using these people's art as sort of like

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a training tool for AI to generate

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something new right so like that's if that's if plagiarism is just copying it

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you know that's on one end of the spectrum and on the other side maybe is

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you know looking at it from the frame of when you paint you're using materials

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that you didn't make from scratch you know you're buying these this existing

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pigment and uh you know making something

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completely new from it but you didn't make it completely from scratch there's

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other people's work going into that as well so like that's on the other end of

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the spectrum and AI art is kind of somewhere in the middle but

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I'm inclined to put it a little bit more towards plagiarism it's not plagiarism

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well it's all arbitrary it all comes down to the abilities of the entity you

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know it's not plagiarism if I do a perfect replica of a um uh starry night

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because yeah obviously I was influenced by the original work and then I had to

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do all this analog very high skill work to like mix the paint correctly right

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and years of skill for me to actually render it yeah yeah but all that stuff

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is as trivial to a machine right so it's just it's only because the

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entity in question the machine is better at doing it than you are but that's but

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like I guess that's the

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that's the question is there value in a

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machine learning to do this skill should

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we like because it's not an agent it's not a conscious agent I mean according

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to not according to boys when you use

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mid mid Journey you're interacting with a bot it's not like you're on a Google

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local page with a search bar you're in Discord and you're interacting with the

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bot you type the prompt you want it returns an image and then you can say

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make more of them or change it in this way and it's like

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you're having a conversation with an artist in a way and you're collaborating you're kind of collaborating but that's

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just an artifice that's not the bot is just a a a a window into using the

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service available on yeah for sure for now soon it'll be Scarlett Johansson

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soon they'll add actual like AI chat bot

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functionality in there and then you're talking to it'll be very weird through

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the AI yes and they're like okay so when you say a bird flying over a ship do you

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mean like a big ship or like a little ship like this is the AI talking to you

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about it yeah and then make that by voice if we like

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combine these Technologies yes because that's even scarier like it's one thing

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to say all right I work in a I work in an auto Factory a car factory and

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they're replacing my you know job screwing in these rivets with a with a

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robot robotic ARM that's one thing another thing is saying okay you have

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this creative career you thought you were safe from the AI for a while but

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now literally your entire job like consultation uh sample work for for

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inspiration or whatever uh you know any other type of parameters that you would

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discuss with a person ahead of time you can do with AI because we have this

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language AIS and then we also have these art generating AIS yeah so even if me

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even if AI doesn't achieve this like General sentience that we're that that

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is like far in the future with Singularity et cetera Etc even if we

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don't achieve that it's like we're functionally going to achieve

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something very similar to it because of all these other systems that are coming

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together yeah scary well it begs the question like what happens to artists so

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does it mean that you've got it I think

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it look it'll stratify it like it'll make uh it'll make it more disparate

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like you'll have billionaires and impoverished people uh so to speak

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you'll you'll have the artists or graphic designers who are only using

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these tools and you'll have the like the very high level highly skilled artists

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um but the I mean this I guess it's good to be one

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of them but they'll be few they'll be so

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few of them right yeah well uh you know as this uh this is was a reply in the

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original tweet where someone kind of like whistled blue on this guy uh

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bragging about his his achievement uh

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Omni Morpho on Twitter says we're watching the death of artistry unfold

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right before our eyes um even high skilled jobs you know

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you're saying oh there will be some high skilled artists but like even those guys I mean maybe they'll be like a handful

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you know like literally the thing you have to think about though is the

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convergence or the homogenization of of

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art because right now all of these

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generators are using a data set that is Virgin that is created by humans all the

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all the info that's feeding them was photographs taken by humans art pieces

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drawn by humans but now that millions of pieces are coming out as output from

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these generators that means the internet at large is is growing in its proportion

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of stuff that was made by robots right and so if that continues to expand to

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the point where like half the stuff of the internet was made by robots yeah then when the next the next AI is

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programmed and fed into it is outputs from robots it'll become more and more

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like it's self-referential yeah this is this was Horst I was talking to him

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before as well and he specifically asked me to bring this up like he he likened

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it to re-encoding videos the more that you re-encode the same video file the

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more the quality to grades so it's like eventually are these AI art generators

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just going to be you know feeding off themselves again and again and again until it's just like a blurry mess uh so

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I guess I don't think that I think I mean like stylistically like to me I

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liken it as um I this is a pet Theory I guess it won't it won't exactly sorry it

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won't like yeah it won't be the same as like the resolution is worse but maybe

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it would be like um Hollywood taking over the world and all film is just like

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every movie has to be like an MCU movie or everyone has to do their makeup like

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Kim Kardashian because we all now we all use Instagram and we all look at that

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one celebrity and we all want that face yeah so then all the dado will just make

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this kind of art so therefore maybe the

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last remaining highly skilled artists will be the wackiest artists who are

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making the most original kind of stuff because it just looks so different from

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what is generated from the AI you know what it might actually happen is uh

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carsonization car Carson as I answer

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nope carsonization

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what is it it's the phenomenon of uh the the phenomenon wherein uh organisms

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multiple branches of organisms on evolutionary Pathways uh all

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become crabs

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like we're going back to crab animals

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keep evolving into crabs and scientists well this one says scientists don't know

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why but they do know why it's because it's like a advantageous that's the word

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in some way um so maybe like you know we'll have the

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equivalent of uh of everything going back to crab all AIS

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eventually all AI music generators eventually create crab raid

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oh speaking of which we didn't even I mean real quick uh this isn't like

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entirely a new phenomenon they've been doing this with with music for some time

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now uh in that they feed in music to an

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AI it generates like Melodies and rhythms and stuff and in some cases it

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generates the audio directly but most of the time it doesn't sound very good so

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what they'll do instead is they'll feed music into like they'll say we want a

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Jimi Hendrix Style song they'll feed a million Jimi Hendrix songs to an AI and

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it'll make midi data or like sheet music and then the humans will recreate it

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with like and in some cases they make like it right writes lyrics and

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everything as well but then humans will do other people share my opinion that

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I'm less bothered by this I think this is less bothersome and the reason is

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popular music can't get any worse exactly I I think that I think that

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music is I mean that's a whole nother discussion I feel like we probably

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shouldn't get into it no it doesn't bother me that much but I will say that

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like you know it seems like with music

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human generated art will human generated music will always be more important to

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people I don't think like I think because I think part of that is like

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sort of the personality the cult of personality around like an artist if you

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like like their music you're gonna be like wow I kind of want to listen to

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more of their music if it's an AI ai's gonna have to generate some very

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personal histories in the lyrics yeah like are people gonna go to

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a concert no because the music live music is already differentiated from

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recorded music you go to see live music you go you go to see the phenomenon of

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this well but then in in the in the age of ADM

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people that you don't go there to see that you're not going there to do

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performance sure but but I mean like you know more people are going to a show by

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I don't even know what the big EDM guy is now but like a few years ago maybe it

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was dead mouse like people go to the show because it's oh it's it's that guy

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that I like and not because the music is particularly really good it's because

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you liked a few of their music their tracks and so now like you have this

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idea in their head in your head yeah we're not gonna do that for AI no no

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one's dreaming for art like no one's going or maybe it will I mean V tubers

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are a thing uh Miku Miku from uh

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Vocaloid or whatever there's these like you know virtual Idols in Japan and

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whatnot they go on stage as a hologram they're dancing people are like I'm I'm

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a fan of this Idol person oh and if

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there was just an AI but at the same but at the end of the day if you really

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wanted like a distinct sound there would have to be some sort of human input but

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that's not even true I'd take it back well actually because far in the future

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maybe there is like an AI that was like tuned with specific parameters and

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people were like I'm a fan or you just around us you randomize the parameters

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like they're part of uh stability diffusion is you can you can make

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derivative products with it yeah as long as the license gets passed down you can

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make derivative products and you can tune some parameters such that the art

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that it creates is more of a certain style for sure and there's there's

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Commercial Services that do that like sound full I just found this like right

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before we card reader yeah yeah there's a bunch of services like this but like

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sound full you know you start in there you you uh you know you you choose a

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genre you customize it you like choose a beat you choose some instruments they're

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all pre-recorded pre-done and then you can like you know put it together and

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make something like quote unquote new you could make like a Nine Inch Nails AI

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you're like you really loves this mode and this interval use these instruments

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yeah whatever it puts out will sound nailsy exactly exactly and the same

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thing can happen with visual art too oh man and if that's just randomized people

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could become fans of certain certain AIS that they really like their style right

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okay so last question and then we're done

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I know you really really hate this James you want to go I gotta get out of here

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um what do you think should be the situation what should we head

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towards as a society when it comes to like AI generated art should should we

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respect AI generated art as like you know on a somewhat equal playing

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field or should it be like it should it

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be as as um denormalized or de-specialized as you

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know I don't know some some some some commodity that you can like Mass produce

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no problem I generally think uh like the

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technology is here so deal with it kind of approach like there's no we shouldn't

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be trying to stop this or slow it down we have to just adapt the toothpaste is

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out of the tube for a lot of this stuff in terms of they already made this AI

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they already scraped these copyrighted images sorry Getty

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um but in terms of how we conceptualize it how we think of

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it um I think that it is similar to VFX

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you watch a movie has great VFX you're like wow that was very enjoyable to

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watch or and then you watch another movie and you go yeah that wasn't that crazy but

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you know they did all the stunts that's real that was all practical they

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actually climbed that building he actually jumped from that train when you

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know that a human did it you give it this extra level like it gets it earns

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your respects in this other layer I think we're just gonna have to do with art hey that's a nice painting and wow a

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human did that from scratch that's amazing I don't see that that often oh

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you're gonna you think the the norm is going to be like AI art is ubiquitous

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and it's it's everything but then when there's something extra special yeah

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because this just this is like anything else this is democratizes Art more you

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know I I suck at drawing but now I can make this so I can it's like making

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music on your laptop so it's going to be everywhere it's going to take over I

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don't think it's like making music on your laptop because when because for

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that it's like okay somebody else recorded an instrument and gave you all

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this data that you can then manipulate using MIDI files everywhere you see

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stock photos today you're gonna see AI generated art when I make a Squarespace

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website I'm going to use original as original as a descriptive reality yes

439
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that's that's going to be true but I think I'm saying that uh you know from a

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normative framework it's not this is not the same as using

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like uh it's been a while since I did since I

442
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meddled in uh electronic music making I forget what the actual files are called

443
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but like the digital sounds you're using a digital sound of a trombone and you

444
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press a key and it makes the sound the trombone sound for that note

445
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that's completely different because you're still generating the data you're

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still doing it by hand right I think that with AI art it should be

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the case that if you are an artist and you want your

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art to be included in these models you can

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submit them to the database and there should be a requirement that they

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uh you know pay you royalties and I know that the copy like our

451
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copyright system has lots of problems it is not perfect and that like this is

452
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gonna go along with a much needed you know reform of how we deal with

453
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copyright in general in the west we might just get rid of it just go more

454
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China style it's like it's irrelevant now the pace of innovation is just so

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fast that it well I think that it's going to be it's going to be that way

456
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for a while as we're in the wild west here but I think that in a few years as

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this becomes more and more normalized there's going to be people asking for

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you know to save artists in some way because they don't make money already if

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this is going if this continues with no regulation

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artists are out of a job they're dead

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rip rip and rip to this episode because

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James I just like to give you your last word

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you're good you want the last word that's the last word it's rip

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you took it actually so that's your word my last word is thanks for watching talk

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link we'll we'll be back we can have these go too long rip Riley subscribe to

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