WEBVTT 00:00:01.040 --> 00:00:08.880 I'll take notes. Uh, we left off at implementing an open and transparent 00:00:05.680 --> 00:00:09.679 policy for the hom what this 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:15.280 what is it? I need it for work and freeze. Like me, 00:00:13.280 --> 00:00:19.680 you've probably looked at the numerous desktop replacements on the market and 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:24.560 thought, if these are so popular, why don't I know anyone who has one? It's a 00:00:22.160 --> 00:00:29.840 valid question. Who are the people driving ASUS and MSI to create these 00:00:27.119 --> 00:00:34.719 monstrosities? And more importantly, why? It seems like such a raw deal. You 00:00:33.040 --> 00:00:39.760 get less performance and less upgradability than a desktop and at a 00:00:37.120 --> 00:00:44.640 higher price to boot. Though, on the flip side, with the latest chips from 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:52.000 Intel, the gap has actually narrowed a lot. In front of me, well, not me, that 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:56.000 guy, is a 24 core CPU that turbos to 5.6 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:58.000 to 6 GHz, a 4K 144Hz HDR display, and a 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:01.920 fully mechanical keyboard. I mean, with a system like that, you can do a whole 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:06.479 lot more than just gaming. And we're going to dig into the creative and 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:10.880 professional use cases that are driving people like that to destroy their spines 00:01:08.799 --> 00:01:14.000 hauling these things around. And of course, we're going to see how it 00:01:12.080 --> 00:01:18.080 handles games, too. because a lot of what we need to talk about has to do 00:01:15.600 --> 00:01:23.360 with the RTX 4090 mobile and the misleading marketing that NVIDIA is 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:24.880 doing around this fast but misunderstood 00:01:23.360 --> 00:01:29.360 gaming GPU. There have always been laptops that aspired to desktop tier 00:01:27.520 --> 00:01:33.119 performance. Some even went as far as to use desktop chips. But it's only 00:01:31.520 --> 00:01:38.159 recently that the performance gap between them has become so small that 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:43.520 Apple, for example, no longer even designs different CPUs for use in its 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:48.159 mobile and desktop lineups. So, with that fire burning right under their 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:53.520 butts, Intel has responded with this, the Core i9 13980HX. 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:57.920 And while it might not be the most power efficient, chugging back up to 10 times 00:01:55.920 --> 00:02:01.360 the wattage of their lowest end UER chips, if the on paper specs are 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:07.600 anything to go by, it should be considerably faster than your gaming 00:02:03.600 --> 00:02:09.360 desktop is. Yes, even yours, Steven. The 00:02:07.600 --> 00:02:14.720 result then is a device that is both portable, well technically portable, and 00:02:12.239 --> 00:02:19.520 powerful enough to get anything done anywhere, even if what you want to get 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:25.920 done is gaming at max settings, which I do. For our testing, we used the latest 00:02:22.640 --> 00:02:27.840 MSI Titan GT77, mainly because we 00:02:25.920 --> 00:02:31.920 happened to have it also available with previous generation hardware for 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:35.599 comparison, but any similarly configured machine with adequate cooling and the 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:39.360 same power envelope should perform about like this. We're going to have both 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:42.879 models and more linked down below if you want to play around with pricing of the 00:02:40.640 --> 00:02:47.680 various options. Getting straight into our 4K gaming results, it's clear that a 00:02:45.920 --> 00:02:52.160 lot of the generational performance improvements here are thanks to NVIDIA 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:56.879 rather than Intel, who managed a very respectable bump in GPUbound titles 00:02:54.480 --> 00:03:01.519 compared to our older 3080 Ti equipped GT77. 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:05.840 MSI is feeding the 4090, the maximum permitted 175 watts when you include 00:03:03.920 --> 00:03:13.280 dynamic boost, netting us a gain of between 30 to 35% in Hitman 3, F122, and 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:18.239 Cyberpunk 2077, with Red Dead Redemption 2 seeing a 49% increase and Assassin's 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:24.239 Creed Valhalla jumping by a whopping 60%. Temperatures stayed reasonable 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:26.560 while gaming, too. 73 degrees is around 00:03:24.239 --> 00:03:32.720 five more than the 12th gen laptop, but our core clocks were also 400 MHz higher 00:03:29.440 --> 00:03:36.640 on average. So why then is everybody 00:03:32.720 --> 00:03:38.319 complaining about this thing? Okay, well 00:03:36.640 --> 00:03:44.480 look at what happens when we add the desktop 4090 to the charts. It is 00:03:41.040 --> 00:03:48.080 between 30 and 50% slower, making the 00:03:44.480 --> 00:03:49.840 naming well misleading at best. I mean, 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:54.319 this gap in performance makes it look like we're testing two completely 00:03:51.680 --> 00:03:59.360 different tiers of products. And the pricing is like piling insult on top of 00:03:56.720 --> 00:04:04.159 injury, even when we factor in a comparable monitor and peripherals, 00:04:01.200 --> 00:04:09.200 we're spending an extra $300 for this degraded laptop experience. But with 00:04:07.200 --> 00:04:13.760 that said, if we come back to our original question, some gamers have very 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:18.239 good reasons for accepting these compromises. We heard loud and clear 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:22.960 that for folks who spend more time away from home than in it, say living in a 00:04:20.799 --> 00:04:26.400 barracks or a dorm room, working as a seaf farer or a long haul driver, or 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:32.720 even if you're just a game-loving executive, a desktop might technically 00:04:29.440 --> 00:04:34.880 be a better PC, but being able to 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:39.759 actually use your laptop every day makes it a far more valuable investment. I 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:44.960 also have to wonder, too, is this difference even NVIDIA's fault? Maybe 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:51.280 the 13980HX isn't all it's cracked up to be, and Team Green's poor GPU is simply 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:53.520 being hamstrung by a crap mobile CPU. 00:04:51.280 --> 00:04:57.759 Unfortunately, tightly integrated mobile devices make it a lot harder for us to 00:04:55.759 --> 00:05:03.040 isolate variables. I mean, we can't very well plug a desktop 4090 into a laptop 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:08.720 and then see how the CPU runs. But what we can do is try a couple of more CPU 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:16.720 limited scenarios and CPU specific gaming benchmarks where 00:05:11.280 --> 00:05:19.440 no excuses NVIDIA that CPU is fast. Not 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:24.160 as fast as her desktop cousin, but close enough that I don't feel completely 00:05:21.440 --> 00:05:28.560 misled by the similar naming scheme. And close enough that it opens up new use 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:33.199 cases for these chunky boys that might not have made sense just a few short 00:05:30.479 --> 00:05:37.039 years ago. Let me set the stage. And this is actually based on a true story, 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:42.080 which is cool. You are in the deepest, darkest bowels of a ship. Your job is to 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:46.639 produce a 3D scan of the crew's workspace. The iPhone 12 Pro hasn't been 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:51.440 invented yet, so the contractor in charge of running the 3D scanner pulls 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:53.840 out one of these. I mean, it looks out 00:05:51.440 --> 00:05:59.039 of place, right? But I assure you that for plenty of industry professionals, 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:01.280 gaming laptops like these ones are their 00:05:59.039 --> 00:06:06.080 daily driver work machines. And if you stop and think about it, it makes a ton 00:06:03.280 --> 00:06:12.080 of sense. While they could be served by boring black workstation laptops, the 00:06:09.280 --> 00:06:18.960 certified hardware tax, man, that makes the mobility tax look like a like a a 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:21.199 small convenient tax, one that you don't 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:26.800 mind paying. I mean, check out these portable workstations from Lenovo and 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:29.199 Dell. These are last gen hardware. So 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:34.639 smart IT and purchasing managers figured out a long time ago that a clever way to 00:06:31.759 --> 00:06:40.800 dodge this premium for what is on a silicon level the same bloody thing is 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:42.800 to buy consumer hardware instead. And I 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:47.919 mean yeah I guess you could game on it after work or before work or during work 00:06:45.840 --> 00:06:52.319 assuming you're stealthy about it like our new Stealth deskpads. A simple all 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:57.039 black look and the same excellent microtexture cloth means uh you need to 00:06:54.800 --> 00:07:02.400 go to ltstore.com. Whatever the point is, looking at some of our CPU specific 00:06:59.599 --> 00:07:07.599 benchmarks, there is a lot for those IT managers to love here. I mean, yeah, you 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:11.120 could do it faster on a desktop, but you could also do it from a hotel lobby in 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:15.039 the Bahamas on this thing. In our Chromium compile and sevenzip 00:07:13.039 --> 00:07:20.479 compression and decompression tests, we saw a clear advantage to going 13th gen 00:07:18.080 --> 00:07:26.240 mobile with it performing closer to our desktop CPU than to a lastg laptop one. 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:31.440 And while Yuncher and Handbreak AV1 encoding showed a greater difference to 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:36.319 desktop, they do still show a clear generational improvement over 12th gen. 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:40.080 Now, we suspect that faster mobile memory would help close this gap a 00:07:38.080 --> 00:07:44.560 little bit. But another factor is also that multi-core workloads tend to favor 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:49.280 desktop chips that have much higher power budgets. Speaking of multi-core 00:07:46.880 --> 00:07:53.280 loads, that brings us nicely to the last big group of people who gravitate 00:07:50.960 --> 00:07:57.360 towards these machines. Creators, makers, and artists. These are the kinds 00:07:55.840 --> 00:08:01.599 of people who need to be able to pack their entire studio into a single 00:07:59.120 --> 00:08:04.639 messenger bag. And thanks to the rich I/IO that you'll typically find on a 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:08.639 desktop replacement, including Thunderbolt, that's as simple as 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:12.800 bundling up a dock, a mouse, and a portable monitor, rolling up to a cafe, 00:08:10.960 --> 00:08:16.720 and enjoying the exact same workflow that you would at the office. This is 00:08:14.960 --> 00:08:20.879 also a group that tends to benefit from the creature comforts that make their 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:24.639 way into premium devices like these. Our MSI unit, for example, has a fully 00:08:22.960 --> 00:08:30.960 mechanical keyboard with lowprofile CherryMX switches with numpad, a factory 00:08:27.840 --> 00:08:32.959 calibrated VSA certified HDR display, 00:08:30.960 --> 00:08:36.479 and high-speed 2 and 1/2 gig wired networking for running projects off of a 00:08:34.560 --> 00:08:41.360 network share. Once again, for this group, Intel's 13th gen HX series 00:08:38.560 --> 00:08:46.160 flagship shines, managing a flak audio encode only a single second slower than 00:08:43.599 --> 00:08:50.959 its desktop counterpart and 7 seconds faster than its older, outdated brother. 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:56.320 And the young pup making the old dog look bad continues in Cinebench R23 00:08:53.760 --> 00:09:01.600 where multi-core scores are up 10,000 over our 12th gen equipped machine and 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.920 only behind the desktop by 3200. 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:07.600 While Blender GPU testing reveals the same embarrassing difference between 00:09:05.680 --> 00:09:12.160 mobile and desktop 4090s that we observed when gaming. Blender CPU has 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:16.240 our mobile chip landing right in between the desktop and our old laptop with 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:20.240 essentially the same story in Proion, Premiere, and Photoshop. So for the 00:09:18.560 --> 00:09:24.240 folks who need these machines, whether it's for heavy scientific applications 00:09:21.920 --> 00:09:29.440 in the field, visual effects, for live events, aerial surveying, industrial 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.839 automation, outside of NVIDIA's relative 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:36.640 weakness this time around, 13th gen looks like a big win. However, soon 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:41.200 we're going to be getting our hands on a new generation of AMD laptops that are 00:09:38.880 --> 00:09:44.880 equipped with Ryzen 7000. And if the efficiency we've seen on the desktop for 00:09:42.959 --> 00:09:48.399 those is anything to go on, it's going to be a very interesting fight. If you 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:53.760 liked this look at the latest and greatest in mobile performance, maybe you'd also like to check out the 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:59.200 complete opposite. This AliExpress gaming laptop that not only didn't have 00:09:56.160 --> 00:10:00.720 an i9, it had a Celeron. Did it even 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:03.200 have dedicated graphics? I don't think so. Yeah.