Okay, welcome to the WAN Show. It is a
beautiful Friday and I uh Well, it's hot. That's
true. It's like super hot. Like look, I'm flush. I have done very little today
and I am flush. That's cuz we're in like a warehouse. We don't really have
ventilation. The most exercise that I got today actually was closely related
to the most important news from today, which is that Malaysia's Lie Chong Way
finally made it past China's Lindan in the So cheering was your most exercise.
Yeah, that um Yep. So I was I was up
early this morning watching uh watching watching that match. Oh man, absolutely
epic. Absolutely epic. Lee Chongi finally passed Lindan. If you don't care
about badminton, you'll have no idea who either of those people are, but trust me, they're great. I've never watched
badminton. I know both of these people.
Okay, that's not fair. I have watched Babon when you have showed me like a
specific clip on your phone. Okay, well, I'll tell you what. I will show you. This is important because XYZ. I will
show you another specific clip because it's very important. Very, very
important. Lie Chongi's third match point. Okay. Yeah. Lindan makes probably
the most epic save that I have seen at
that level and it's it's incredible and uh then he goes on to win it. So it's
great my man Lee Chong way all the way through. Anyway, sorry I will I will
talk about technology now at some point. Do you want to do you want to go through topics? Okay, so basically we have AMD
Zen and then we have oh my god AMD stock
price in a good way this time which is
good. Um, there was the IDF or Intel Developer Forum and even more Intel
Developer Forum stuff. Basically, we're going to be talking about processing chips a lot. And we'll probably also
talk about NVIDIA's launch of their 10 series notebook graphics
cards. There's no M for mobile, but there could be an N for notebook. Wasn't
that last
week? I think
it's Oh, no. That was this week. I just
saw it last week. Okay.
Oh, you're awful.
You got to rub it in their face like that. I didn't even Oh, this like Aren't
all these pre-released products that I'm always playing with just like old news
and
boring? Oh man. It's like, aren't you
just like a total piece of crap to our loyal viewers? all like Yeah. See, this
is your face. I got my head on the back of your neck and this is like the better
position that I'm in all the time and this is like Yeah. Yeah. You like that?
Oh man. Um All right. So, let's see. Wait, is did someone just tell me
there's no couch in the intro? Oh, well, there's no Oh, he means there's no couch
anymore. Wow. It took you just over a year to
Yes, there it has. It has definitely
been a long time since uh since that. All right, so why don't we jump right
into our first topic here? The original article is from PC perspective. So this
is a significantly more credible source
than last week. Did you post this in the chat already? That's fine cuz I'm done.
Oh, dang. Boom. You just got you just got schooled, son. Son.
Yeah, son. That's what rappers do, right? I mean, sometimes. Yeah, sure.
But like like this, right? I think you're like reversing the 8020 rule
here. Oh, I don't know. You're putting in 80% of the effort and getting 20% of
the results. Is that not how it works?
All right. Speaking of 80% of the effort and 20% of the results, AMD. All right.
So, no. Doing good things. Yes, they are
doing good things. And when they do good things, we will notice that they do good
things. And the good thing that they did this time is talking about actually
doing a demo. So, this comes right on the heels of the WCCF tech leaked
benchmarks from last week doing a demo where they showed off working Zen
silicon running a benchmark. I mean, we're talking a benchmark. We are not
talking many benchmarks across a you know variety of different use cases. um
up against a Broadwell Echip, an unnamed
Broadwell echip with eight cores and 16
threads running at 3 gigahertz. It is
speculated that this is a fixed clock 6TN00 K, though it wouldn't really
matter if it was a Xeon at 3 GHz because
they are the same thing. It's just easier to do it with a K chip because
you can control the clock speed. Hooray
processors. Uh, so they had identical speeds and claimed comparable
configurations. Now, they didn't talk about like what motherboards were being ran. They didn't talk about what GPUs
were being ran. They didn't talk about any of that kind of stuff. Just comparable configurations. 8 core 16
threads for Zen, 8 core, 16 threads for Broadwell E. Both running at 3 GHz.
That's all we know like boosts or turbo boosts or anything like that. Uh, it
looks like has been left out of the picture. And then they only ran Blender
and the Zen processor was faster than the Broadwell E chip in Blender by 1 to
two secondsish and there was no official score screen shown.
Okay. I'm assuming because there would be other information on the score screen that they don't want to show. Y so that
actually makes sense. So there's I mean there's a number of reasons for that. They wouldn't want to show the Intel
processor because then that constitutes like like a performance claim relative
to a real competitor. There's going to be all kinds of like legal is going to
want to look that up, down, and sideways. Make sure that they're not
saying anything that they can later be sued for by Intel. In case you've ever
wondered why, you know, car companies will be like competitor F and competitor
B. It's really interesting, not to go on
too much of a tangent, but like Hyundai right now is like attacking Honda super
hardcore and being like, "Our car has this. this very specific car from Honda
doesn't have this. And like it's weird because usually companies don't do that.
Usually they shy away from that. Now my understanding is say competitors. Yeah.
Competitors or or they would make it like like my my favorite is when they
have like competitors and they put like the first letter and like the last
letter and like asterisk the ones in between where it's obvious but it's kind
of like the way that we censor on Linus Tech Tips where we're not we're not
really trying to obscure the meaning. Yeah. We're just, you know, trying to
make it so that I don't get angry from parents of kids who watch the show be
like, "No, no, we we bleeped it. We just bleeped not even an entire letter."
Yeah, we did our due diligence. Okay.
Um like my understanding is it's actually pretty rare for that to turn
into an actual like defamatory statement
lawsuit. However, AMD is showing
unreleased hardware and even internally at AMD. Okay. Dr. Sue, who is different
from Dr. Seuss, by the way, uh, Lisa Sue, AMD Sue. Yeah. Uh, Dr. Sue probably
doesn't know exactly what configuration
Zen will ship in. So, let's say they discover at the last second that their
yields will not allow them to hit a TDP
that is competitive with Broadwelly at that clock speed. They have to lower the clock speed. Then if someone points back
and says, "Hey, you showed official score screens that have like model
numbers. You said you were faster. You're not faster in the shipping product." Now they got a problem. So I
can understand their hesitance to be too upfront about any of this. Um, now Zen
to jump back to the technology discussion being a hyperthreadingish
thing. It's obviously not called hyperthreading. Intel TM TM.
Yeah. Yeah. So, it's called simultaneous multi-threading,
which which is the generic that's the tissue paper to the Kleenex sort of
comparison. Yeah. SMT. SMT. It makes me
think a lot of SMP. Anyways, don't worry about it. Um, it it utilizes high
bandwidth and low latency caching systems and a 14 nanometer process from
Global Foundaries. And they're claiming it has a 40% increase in IPC over
excavator at equal energy per cycle consumption. Although
We were We were both going there, weren't we? Yeah. It's a little old now.
I mean, if Intel hadn't upgraded their processors in the last 5 years, they
could claim they have a 40% improvement in Skylake performance. Yeah. Over the
last thing that they they did because it's been so long. I would hope that
there would be a very significant increase in IPC over excavator. So, I'm
happy that there is. Yeah, a lot of this is coming down to I don't personally
like AMD no pre-releas that's what our
viewers seem to pre-release stuff and rumor stuff and I
am very excited actually genuinely very excited to get this in office and like
try it against things because if AMD if these things are true and especially on
the slightly lower end or if this thing is considerably cheaper and can actually
fight really well that is so good for markets in so many different ways. Wrap
your brain around this. What? Okay,
let's say you and I like got together. We We had a meeting, okay? And the
meeting was like, "Okay, let's figure out what our next build blog is going to
be." We're like, "Build guide. Okay, get this." We go, "Wow, AMD has a great
value gaming chip that's really efficient and like has all the latest
features. Let's do that."
It hasn't happened in so long. I know, right? The reason why we haven't
included AMD chips and things for so long is because where are they? There's it's
where are they? And it's the 8350s were like super cool like a while ago. It's
the sex appeal, too. like it's the fact that whether whether the whether the
vocal minority likes it or not, if our goal over here is to be kind of like the
top gear of PCs, then there's really there's really not
many opportunities for us to feature AMD
PCs. You'll see them on things like um value builds. So, we've done that in the
last couple of years featuring AMD processors. Uh you'll see them in things
like um let's see ah retro builds. So, I
rebuilt my first gaming machine and I used an AMD processor for that. But the
reality of it is is that if the idea is to be kind of like a Top Gear, you show
off the best of the best. You show the Halo stuff, you show the jaw-dropping
stuff that's like just straight cool factor, and you might show like a junker
from time to time, which is exactly what we would do on something like a Scrapyard Wars where we take like really
old hardware from AMD, NVIDIA, or Intel. We don't care. It's like it's old stuff
and we kind of have fun with it. And then there's really not much room for
that like that like yaris, you know.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The the the economical, you know, hey, it's got the
better onboard graphics than the competitor. Um but, you know, this is a
this is a building that literally doesn't have a single machine in it that
isn't a laptop that has onboard graphics. Um so it so it doesn't give us
many opportunities. Even then, they're technically on board, but like they're
usually separate. But this this is exciting because we as much as the Yarus
doesn't excite me much. I could get pretty amped up about something like oh
I'm gonna try and come up with something comparable and I'm not a car person so that makes it really tough. I I can get
excited about a Prius. Okay, where we can go okay it's not like the cheapest
possible thing to get you down the road but it's like fuel econ economical and
it's got like some cool features and it's a good value. Yeah, I can get
excited about that. So, I'm I am I am
looking forward. I just like it even from raw a competition standpoint.
Having good competition is a very good thing. And like Intel,
I love you guys, but you're getting a little lazy. I wouldn't call it lazy. I
would call it defocused. Yeah. Okay. Defocused on the desktop market. Yeah.
Uh and I understand why. Not a lot of inspiration. There's basically nothing
in it for them to keep innovating. What are they going to do? Go from 80
whatever high percent market share or whatever it is that they're at right
now. It's something ludicrous to are they going to get another 1%. Yeah. Like
if they double their R&D, what are they going to get for it? Nothing. Whereas if
AMD comes back, claws away some market
share, and makes Intel fight for it to the point where it's like, okay, we're increasing our R&D spending by 60%. We
need to improve the clock speed or IPC
of the next generation or two generations away core processor by 30%
in order to smack down this upstart. Like that's where innovation comes from
because you have to understand that no one here is like is like just doing
things out of love. Money turns the wheel. Any publicly traded company
ultimately answers to its shareholders. And so if Intel doesn't have a single
good reason on paper to really change
much of anything other than making sure that they're leading the technology charge, which improves their uh which
improves their margin, which improves their sales, like like they'll they'll
keep refreshing the products. They'll keep improving, but they don't have a reason to like heavily invest and
completely reinvent the wheel unless AMD gives them one. Yeah. So good
competition is this looks hopeful. Yeah.
And as much as we tease them, honestly, it's easier for me to tease them now in
a situation where it really looks like it we the light is visible at the end of
the tunnel. Totally. And it's not an oncoming train. Yeah. With that said,
they've hurt me many times before and uh
I don't With that said, at the same time, they've also done great things.
They have. It's just been a long time. Yeah. So, one of my easily favorite
computers that I've ever owned was a
Athon X2. Like, have I made the battered wife analogy on Wow before where it's
like AMD and I had the good times
but then there's just they just kept
they just kept beating me up. They they promised to bring you to uh Disneyland
and then they didn't. And then they didn't. They promised me that Disneyland
would be full of, you know, Phenom 2 overclocking and it wasn't. They They
told you that the coolest thing ever was coming and that it was a rebranded SSD.
That's right. There's been some disappointing times.
This will hopefully not be one of them. Did we even make a video about that
thing? I don't think so. Who was the actual Hold on. Who was the actual maker
of of the AMD SD? I feel like it was Patriot or something. Patriot or OCZ or
something? Uh AMD SSD. Wow. For a long
time. Yeah. Hold on. Uh oh man. I I
really wish I could remember what it was. I'm just going to Google it instead
of checking. Someone in the chat is gonna tell us. Yeah, someone will tell
us. OCZ. Okay. Yeah. Where without like
It's really funny when companies do this. It's like this seems like a very first world problem, I'm sure. But from
time to time, we'll have companies that instead of reaching out to us asking if
we want to do a review, they'll just kind of put it in the mail and when it
they'll time it so that like basically the moment that it's arriving, they'll
like call and we'll be like, "Hi."
They'll be like, "Yeah, so you've got the latest and greatest freaking
unbelievable thing." We'll be like, "What? This?" And they're like, "Yeah,
so for your review, are you going to do this?" that I'm like, I'm not reviewing
this. This is this is the least exciting SSD on the face of the earth out of all
the unexciting SSDs that have ever existed. This is probably the least
exciting one. All you've done is put a sticker. You're AMD for crying out loud.
You can't just put a sticker on things. You are a you design hardware. Don't
don't put a sticker on something you didn't design. Especially an SSD. They
didn't even rewrite the firmware. What? Like, it just the whole thing made
absolutely no sense. I don't know if these do these still exist. Let's have a
look. Maybe they do. Hold on. Let's Let's find out in real time. Look at that. They still do. And people buy
them, which is which is great. I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. That is
really cheap. Wow. Then again, SSDs are just like
cheap now. So, that's But um but the point was not that it was a bad product.
It was just the world's least interesting product. And they and they
resorted to pulling tricks like like us already having it and just being like,
"Well, now you've already got it." hype train too. Yeah, it was it was a real
hype train. That in the RAM, too. I think the RAM was preLMG. Um, so I was
actually at NCIX when we got briefed on like AMD's exciting, bold strategy for
rebranding Patriot. These two I remember getting these at the old studio. Here,
hold on. I'll I'll share your screen. Okay. Were these Patriot? Yeah. Okay.
So, that's where I got that confusion. Yeah. Yeah. Built by partner XYZ. Built
by partner XYZ. So, in the case of the ones that I had anyway, it was uh it was
Patriot Memory. I thought we might have even still had some of these lying around, but I went looking for them the
other day and I couldn't find them. Oh, interesting. Anyway, so they were solid.
We actually used them in like a fair amount of stuff. So, I'm approaching
this tentatively, and I've said this before, but I feel like I'm going to be
saying it on W show every week until Zen launches, so get used to it. I'm
approaching it tentatively, but I feel like he might really take me to
Disneyland this time. Maybe. It does kind of feel like it, right? does kind
of feel and it really feels it's really different this time. He's going to take
me to Disneyland. Oh, it's like what's that mark on your ARM? This is our last
trip to Disneyland.
Oh, I really hope it's true. And like the thing is this time instead of it
being like mystery exciting product, it's like they're telling us what it
They have some confidence and they're like telling us stuff about it instead of just being like, "It's great.
Hooray." Chris 771 on Twitch chat says, "AMD soon to rebrand NVIDIA GPUs." Oh
no, that was rude. Oh, that's not nice. Hey, their graphics cards are doing
really good right now. 1 v1 Russ says, "Decide, is it Zed or is it
Z?" It's both because we're Canadian,
which means that we have no culture. Yep. We just borrow from the South and
we borrow from the Brits and we don't know who we borrowed what from.
It's kind of true. Sorry. It is what it is. I don't make the rules, my friends.
My favorite thing was playing WoW because there was a raid in an instance
and I called one of them ZG and I called
the other one ZF and like but that made sense to me
and that's that was their names and that's how it went. We just go with
whatever sounds like like better, whatever sounds smoother. Yeah. Yeah.
So, it's OCZ for me and it's WX, Y, and
Z because it rhymes because now I know my ABCs. Fun fact, it's the same tune as
Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star. Oh, it is. And there's something else,
too. Um, can't remember what it is. Row, Row,
Row Your Boat. No, no, not not that one. Uh, ABC, Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.
And there's like one other one other like like
super Yeah, I can't remember, but it's actually not terribly
important. Anyways, it sounds like other
people have confident that confidence that we're actually going to Disneyland this time, too, because AMD's stock has
just absolutely skyrocketed. So, I think
in the last day it's gone up 11% and
this year it's gone up 330%.
Boom. Which is insane. That is so much. I remember when
AMD was trading at like a buck or two. Yeah. I was actually even thinking about
at the time I was like realistically it couldn't go any lower. Maybe I should
just buy a bunch. But I mean OCZ became
a penny stock before they went under. So, I was like, I don't know. Yeah.
Yeah. Although OC whatever. Um, OCL is probably a
little bit more of a volatile position than AMD is. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
And I knew enough about the inner workings of OCZ to know that like that
was well enough deserved at the time that that happened.
Yeah. So, like that's also really cool because they need that really
badly. They can't just have a really good product launch. They also need
investor confidence and the fact that the investor confidence is coming before
the really good product launch. Okay. Of Zen. I guess our graphics cards are
doing super well as well. Yeah. They just don't really have that many of them
right now and the ASPs are kind of low. And um sorry, I'll let you finish, but I
have another comment on the graphics cards that
you think you just butt into people's conversations because you're old now. It's not a conversation. You're sitting
there talking out into the dark. No, cuz
there's Twitch chat. They didn't ask you about this. That's not a conversation.
Just saying things. That's it's not conversation. By that logic, I am an
excellent conversationalist. So, wait, you can't have a conversation unless
someone asks you about a topic. Well, there has to be a back and forth. That's
a conversation. But they can they can respond. Yeah, but they won't. Yes, we
did. Someone just said, "Yes, we did." "Yes, we did." You know what? You know what Nick says? "How does this show have
sponsors?" says Nick Light. I don't know. It's his job to get them.
I don't know how he does it. Um, see, look, the the the shocker says,
"Luke, I asked you. Don't worry." See, he's got my back. All right. So, I want
to move on to AMD's success uh with GPUs
and into something that could have a significant impact on that reason
success. So, you had you've tested the RX 480, you've tested the RX 470.
Thoughts so far? We're giving it the thumbs up. Definitely. Definite thumbs
up. Great. The the price differential between those two cards is a little
weird. It does seem like a very crowded
product stack, doesn't it? Yeah. But especially when you have partners that
are trying to attack like it's the usual thing, right, where EVGA is the worst
defender here. They've had I've seen them have up to like nine superc clocked
for the win. K super super clock. Super super clock
plus. It is freaking super clock ACX 2. It is
freaking endless with those guys. Yeah. And when you have separate GPUs like
architecturally different well not architecturally, okay, but like um
actual like chip design different GPUs
are the same 30 or 40 bucks of each other. There's not a lot of room for
Sapphire to go like, "Yeah, it's the Nitro Plus RX 460 and it costs like as
much as an RX 480 because then it's like, okay, well, I'm just going to buy
the better one." Yes. So, like there's Yeah. Um any anyway, so other than that,
looking pretty good. Looking pretty keen, you know, but NVIDIA went and
dropped a bomb this week. If you want to actually post this one in the chat, I
kind of skipped ahead to it. Yeah, I don't know where NVIDIA releases GeForce
GTX 1060 3
gig in a move that I personally find a
little bit um misleading and confusing
because the GTX 1060 while it is based on the same GPU or excuse me the GTX
1060 3 gig Yeah, while it is based on the same GPU as the GTX 1060 you might
want to drop that in chat which has six gigs of RAM but is called the GTX 1060.
Yeah. Not the GTX 1066 gig. Yeah.
Wait, I see now I don't even know what I'm talking about anymore. It's not quite the same. It's not as fast.
They've done more slightly slower. They yes they've done more than just take
away some of the memory like we saw before with the 8800 GTS 320 and 8800
GTS 640meg which were actually identical
cards other than the difference in frame buffer. The reason presumably, this is
just my guess, that they've done this is because otherwise there would be pretty
much no reason for people to buy a GTX
1060 brackets 6 GB. U then the reason
for that being that the GTX 1060 is really not targeting 4K gaming or like
ultrawide 1440p gaming or anything like that. And if you're gaming at 1080p or
slightly above, 3 gigs of RAM is going
to pretty much do you until it's time to upgrade to your next GPU. Something that
people who buy that bang for the buck 199 graphics card typically do. Which I
guess leads us pretty well into what makes the GTX 1063 gig somewhat scary
for AMD. It comes in at an MSRP of
$1.99. Yeah. So, it does have a VRAM
disadvantage, but it is based on the same architecture as a 1060. Now,
NVIDIA's not seing us a review sample. Um, but I don't know. Have we reached
out to anyone about getting one yet? Do we have a look at this? We have not.
I've been there's Okay, but at lower
before we go on for a little bit, what the hell GPU launches?
Yeah, I know. Stop. I mean, we've had viewers complain. We've had
conversations like like we sat down for like a monthly review meeting and we're
going like there are too many GPU videos and it's like well and like I get it but
then there's this and I need to do like VRAM testing to show that this thing's
okay and then there's a 460 that we like I think we have one and it's like oh my
god I have to make a review of that because then people are going to be like uh your name you're an NVIDIA fanboy cuz
you didn't make a 460 review and if you do it 3 months from now no one will care. No, but then like there's too many
videos. Oh, and then there's the X12 and Falcon
and I need to make that make sense, but those are confusing.
Actually, that's a pretty exciting video that should be coming pretty soon. We've been we actually had an entire hourlong
meeting on how to make an analogy to make the new PI new APIs kind of make
sense. And we never got there, but Luke says he has a new solution. So, yeah.
Yeah. Stay tuned. Anyway, if the 1060 in
spite of its slightly fewer functional units, so I'm going to go ahead and pull
up the anch article here. Again, thanks thanks Mr. Ryan Smith for compiling this
wonderful chart that I am outright taking from you so that I can show it to
my viewers, but it's okay. You can get more information from Mr. Smith's article, so you should go over there. I
did link it in the chat. H. So, aside from having fewer CUDA cores, fewer
texture units, um, it is clocked the
same, it has the same memory buds, bus width, uh, it has the same like I'm
interested in testing this. So, if this thing overclocks,
yeah, like a GTX 1066 gig, the 10%
performance advantage that NVIDIA quoted to us over RX 480 could stretch out
significantly. Dun. At the same time,
there's a pretty big flop difference. Yep. And like the more than 10% eight
fewer texture units is actually pretty large. And like the amount of CUDA core
difference is actually fairly substantial. So like it's going to be an
interesting test. I don't know. I really wish they had called it something else.
This is very frustrating for me. It and it really or that should have been the
1060 and then the 10 like okay.
Yeah. The 1066 gig should have been a 1060 Ti. So, what I was just going to
say was this smacks of one of two things. Intentional deception or
complete disorganization. And you know how you
and I were discussing our theory or your
theory. I won't take credit for your theory. your theory that the event in
London, the NVIDIA event in London was
intended to launch the uh 10 series
notebook uh GPUs as well as Titan X and
possibly this, but that they just jumped the gun. That was kind of the theory
that you had thrown at me because, okay, think about it. That that talk at
Stanford, like look at pictures of that room. That's a pretty random talk. Like
the people in there are important and the fact that that conversation happened
is good and important, but why launch a GPU there? It's really weird. And like I
got the email that Titan X launched like while I was driving to go get food and
the subject line was like
surprise. What? Where did this come from? So I have confirmation from NVIDIA
that is not the case. Okay. Uh the email
it was a one word email. Doesn't make it less weird. One word email. No,
actually, no. I think there was another line. It was like, no, that was never
the plan or something. Okay. It's like, okay, but but I still I still don't
really understand it. It still just feels kind of disjointed and dis
disorganized because I don't like I don't understand. And why are you
launching this now? You have everyone talking about the hype of all the the
mobile but without M awesome new GPUs and laptops thing that just happened.
And And I don't think NVIDIA is is
illinformed enough to be reacting to RX
480 with this. Like I think this this because it's actually okay. If this was
just a GTX 1060 card with less RAM on it
and a tweaked firmware to address less RAM, then I might go, "Oh, this is a
reaction move." But this is a different bin. This is a different bin of the GPU.
Yeah. So this was this was planned months ago. So if they're Well, we've
known because there's been rumors of a six gig for a while now versus a three
gig, you mean? Yeah, sorry. No, there's been rumors of a three gig. Sorry. Yeah.
Like it's this isn't a new concept. It's been floating around the internet for a
for a bit. So, it's just it's very frustrating um that that this is
confusing and I I feel like I'm turning into a broken record. But the it feels
like the more I criticize companies, whether it's uh Razer or whether it's um
actually I take a shot at HP in my upcoming Spectre video. Yeah. because
they actually have a product called the HP um ah shoot what was the HP Envy
Spectre from 2012 and I'm
like yes this is slightly different but it's really frustrating as just as just
a person who consumes technology like I was trying to look up an iFixit tearown
guide of the new Spectre so I searched for HP Spectre tearown or HP Spectre
disassembly HP Spectre internals And it's all the old one because that's
how SEO works. Like something that's been well established to be important
sits at the top of the search. Breaking Titan X. Just call it something else,
please. It is not a lot for me to ask.
And it feels like the more I I go drone
on and on about this, the worse it's getting. I actually was apparently, and
this is this is quite an honor, I'm very excited about it. I was apparently just
invited to join uh Razer CEO Minlang Tan
on stage at PAX. I actually have no idea
what it's about other than that I think it's something to do with Blade. Yeah,
which makes sense because Well, it's it's okay. Oh, do we know what it's
about? Like is it like Should we be talking about it though or is it a
surprise? I think we can. Let's just not
anyway. The point is I'm I'm joining him there because I love the product, but I
I I I'm saying it right now. I'm saying it right now. Heads up to the world. I
plan to criticize the Blade naming scheme while I'm on stage with him
because if I don't keep trumpeting this message, then no one will hear it. I
think he does it at this point just despite me personally.
Uh maybe knowing that guy. Yeah, that's
what I wasn't going to say that part, but that's exactly what I thought.
All right, let's do our first uh I'm so
shiny. It's really hot sweating right now. Uh let's do our first uh IDF
coverage here. So this is from or the original article here is from PC Purr.
I'm going to go ahead and drop this in the Twitch chat here. Boom. Let's pull
up the article. Our good buddy Ryan Shroud over there is talking about
Intel's Project Alloy that promises to
make my idea for how to make VR better
completely obsolete because apparently they're a bunch of
buttholes. Mean people they're they're taking my my whole idea and making it
completely irrelevant because their idea is better and designed by actual
engineers who know what they're doing. So, it's called Project Alloy, and it is
meant to enable a completely untethered
VR experience. It
utilizes, you guessed it, Intel processors and sensors, and it moves all
the necessary compute into the headset, including enough battery to power the
device for a typical session. The goal is to remove the need for a separate PC.
Now, this is not the first time that a chipmaker has demonstrated a working
prototype of something like this. And uh the first example was the AMD
Sulon. So, let's go ahead and pull that up. Uh okay, the article that we have
here is from RS
Technica. Come on, RS, you can do it.
There you go. That's the Sulon that had like an AMD. What was what was in that
thing? uh FX processor so bad FX APU
with R seven grade graphics so bad 8 gigs of DDR3 it was terrible why are
they doing this um well they're doing this because I guess the idea is that
while my idea of converting the three
wire tether into a single thin cable and moving some of the battery power for the
headset as well as the media converter for Thunderbolt to um for Thunderbolt to
HDMI and USB. Uh, while my idea is probably better for now, I don't know,
10 years from now, maybe. Sure. Assuming
Mo's law holds up. Yeah. But like I feel
like a wireless communication system while still talking to a separate
processing unit is going to be so much better because like, okay, I have used
the Sulong Q. It was actually, I didn't know you actually tried it. A
disgustingly horrible experience. Huh.
Like really bad. Remember Sulon's Cortex?
That's that company. Cortex. Remember when I went to went to CES? I think it
was in 2015. And I was all excited for this one company and I was going to go
see them first and I was super stoked cuz they were another competitor in the
VR scene. That's right. That was that seemed feels like it was forever ago. It
was This was an advancement. This was an advancement. Okay. But it was a horrible
experience to the point where they told me to come back because what I was
describing to them sounded like bugs. And then I came back and tried it again
and they're like, "Yeah, it's all fixed. Everything's good." And I'm like, "No, this is broken. This is such a terrible
experience." And the CEO is there being like, "Oh." And I'm like, "How are you
guys going to compete against Oculus and
Vive?" Well, Vive at the time was not really a thing. It was pretty crap. But
then came out and now it's the better one. So anyways, um, just to frame that,
the original Vive had a lot of problems. Yeah. Originally, he didn't talk to me
about Vive. No. At all. No, no. Yeah, that that took over that that came
later, but I'm I'm I'm following the horse that's running the race. So,
anyway, Intel demonstrated using your hands and other real world items to
interact with the world using real sense. So, the Sulon uses a a leap
sensor. Cool. And this is this is an
interesting this must be a comment from the article or something. Current implementation that was shown during the
keynote has promise but is currently this this is great. I I love this.
Shroud can be so tactful sometimes, but
is currently clunky and less than what PC per expected from the company.
Interesting. The current prototype headset looks, and this is another quote, pretty heavy, pretty
bulky. So, here's the problem, though. #
disappointed. Here's the problem, though. with trying to
move with trying to use wireless
communication to a base station the the the the gigabytes per
second there's a problem yeah of data unless you are using some kind of very
sophisticated compression which would be
highly visible very noticeable on a
screen that's supposed to be the size of your entire field of vision like until
the compression and decompression technology can be done instantly, which
right now we're not even close. Like even even GPU accelerated compression
like the best that NVIDIA and AMD and Intel can develop right now uh that
you're using for technologies like Steam and home streaming is not anywhere near
low latency enough for VR. So, we're talking uncompressed data streams, huge
amounts of data, and you have to somehow
beam it wirelessly without everyone in the house getting cancer. Yeah, that's
an important part. And I get all that, which is why I understand why they might
not be going that direction, at least now. And that's fine. Move the
processing onto your chest or your back
or your hips. I'd be interested to see
more like a suit. Yeah. like an entire wearable suit because you can make a
decently powerful computer that's like 8 lb. Yeah. H Okay, you heard it here
first. You heard it here first. Okay.
PCI Express bridge around the back to like the GPU that has direct open access
to to cooling and stuff. Motherboard mounted on the front with CPU power
supply like like battery packs around
the thighs. Yeah, cuz you could have like, you know, those stupid orange
pants I have that everyone comments on in every video that I watch. You could
have those kind of like lots of pockets and stuff on the side and have them
loaded with rechargeable batteries. This could be a very interesting project. You
know what's really funny is like I posted a picture on Twitter a little
while ago saying like, "Stay tuned for my VR backpack. This is unlike anything
you've ever seen." So many of the comments are like Carter
Digital did a video like that.
Okay, listen carefully. This is unlike
anything you've seen means that they
didn't. So there's a lot of different ways. There's a lot of different takes
on a VR backpack. Boom. Yeah. Yeah. And
I think this take the This is what I would prefer. This is what I've wanted
people to kind of work on because putting everything on your head is
so unnecessary. Yeah. And you get the sulong cortex where like okay the queue
is beyond that and whatever but it's the same concept and there's a lot of
weight. It's big in the front and it's big in the back and it doesn't work very
well. And like this is some pretty grade n physics lesson stuff here. But the
further the weight gets away from your body, the much much worse that weight
becomes on your neck. Whereas if you can take the weight and you can get it in
nice and tight like in a vest type form factor, I mean we could be looking at a
very very usable experience and like
Okay, so h with it on your Where was I
going with this? I had it for a second. uh with it on your head there's the
pain and it has to be a contained experience. So there's weight, pain, all
that kind of stuff. Contained experience. It doesn't feel very good. You're not going to be able to pack in
as much hardware for one cuz you could go like crazy like the left side of my
back has one graphics card, the other side of my back has another graphics card. Like ridiculousness. Or you could
just go with one. Doesn't matter. Like you could do either. Um, what you could
like What I'm saying is you're not that Why don't we water cool it while we're at it? Okay, why not? Let's do it. Uh,
what I'm saying is you're not that limited in the hardware that you
probably could, but you could you could put more stuff there, which is great
because you're dealing with like Atom processors or smaller stuff or whatever
when it's going on your head. That sucks and you're not going to get the performance that people actually want
right now in VR. Some people are concerned about heat, but I think with a
Skylake processor like a Core i5 6400 or
something like that, you whatever Intel might say about that, you've got enough
power to run VR games. It's just fine. Um, and that's like are you Oh, no. You
get something like a 6600T 35 watt TDP desktop chip and like
build a channeling thing. There's a different word for that. I screwed that
up. But build a channeling thing like 3D print something. A shroud. Shroud. There
we go. Uh to go over your CPU so it pushes all the air like down. Yep. Then
it won't be hot in front of you. It's not going to blow up into your face.
Um you can use uh Yeah. Oh man.
Lower style GPUs can shoot down your back. An ITX motherboard is actually not
that big. Yeah. No, it's not big at all. Like seriously, not that big. Like there
you go. Okay. Okay. Well, we are going to uh we're going to give this some more
thought offline. But there you have it, folks. You heard it here first. Um, but
anyway, sorry, one more thing before we move on. The thing that really sucks
about it is the coolest thing about Oculus right now is the headset is
really nice. Yep. And it's small and it's light and that's really good and
it's very noticeable between the two. Yep. Going to something where it's all
stored up there is so backwards. H. Anyways, sorry. All right.
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sponsor spot shenanigans. Turns out it's just part of the show. It kind of is.
You you you get sucked into this show, you know, like the show sucks.
We try to make it not suck. All right, next up, another WCCF tech article.
Intel KB Lake desktop lineup has been
leaked. Uh, i7 7700 K.
Yeah, that was that was difficult to predict. I sure as heck didn't see that.
You know what? Sometimes it is. That's true with things. That is true. I did
not see I did not see 6950X coming at
$1,700. You got me, Intel.
Good job. You pulled one over on me that
time. I didn't see that one coming. Oh,
and speaking of which, we do have a video for the people that asked for it,
which was a few, um, on a computer that's cheaper than a CPU, which is
really easy to do when the CPU is $1,700. That's right. We should have
done a computer cheaper than a CPU with my 22 core Zeon for the 44,000 40 $4,000
CPU. Yeah, not 40, but yeah, like you could have a computer and a laptop and a
new phone cheaper than a CPU. all your
electronics cheaper than a CPU. You know, people give us a lot of crap for
clickbait, but like trust me, if we wanted to clickbait,
we could clickbait. I actually have a great clickbait video coming very soon.
Oh my. Double, triple, or quadruple your internet speed. Oh yeah. No, that's
actually Except you actually can see. Yeah, that's we try to keep our
clickbait where like it's actually true usually and or where if there's a
question mark the answer isn't always no because there's that thing where like
when news articles do something with a question mark the answer is always no but we try to make it so that it's not
always no. So oh jeez what I will say
about this is that while the video most
assuredly contains a reference to Theojo, he's actually offered to provide
me with a custom video clip for it. Oh jeez. It is not a Fojo video. It is a
legitimate way. Well, isn't he doing actual tech stuff now? Like not troll
tech stuff? I think he has another channel which is like actual tech stuff.
Okay. I hadn't Theojo Tech. Theojo Tech. And I think this is like
actual legitimate stuff. Okay. Okay.
Yeah. Okay. Yep. It looks like these are real things and it's actually got
content. Xbox One S unboxing. like he's actually doing real things. But that
said, he definitely hasn't uh he definitely hasn't given up on the whole
complete nonsense seven hours ago. How to make money without working.
How to get an Xbox One S for free.
Uh probably my favorite my favorite one of his that I've ever looked at,
although I haven't looked at many, is this one. How to get free cable with all
the channels. It involves um taping
taping blank CDs to your coax cable,
being careful of the spacing because like science. Oh god.
So be sure to do it exactly like this. I mean
Oh jeez. What the hell? Yeah. Probably my
favorite thing about his videos is not his videos, but reading the comments
under his videos of people who are like, "Actually, I I have reason to believe
this wouldn't
work." No, really. Hey, are those the headphones
you're looking for? Uh, no. I found them. Brandon did have them, though. He
had two pairs. He had one pair signed out and he had the other pair on his
desk. He's like, "Oh, yeah. I noticed I had two." So, I put one on my desk. It's
just like how that one day when we were all going to like compete over that
mouse and then he just noticed that it happened to be plugged into his computer
already and just took it. Yeah. The MXM.
Yeah. I still have one on my desk cuz I
was going to review it. It has literally never been plugged in. Oh, what? Yeah. I
just I keep meaning to like review it, but I really like mo like I actually get
I I get the I get that really worrying
feels really cold but hot uh sensation
in my wrist if I use almost anything but
uh a Corsair um M40 or M45. Wow.
Even the additional weight of the M65,
even though it's the same shape, um it seems like it might be a combination of
the weight and the fact that I have to avoid the snipe button makes it less
comfortable for me. Like I haven't had wrist issues since I started using that
mouse. So, I'm just going to stick with it. I'm like I'm like Taran this way. I
actually have literally a pile that has a label next to it that says Linuses do
not touch of M45s on the shelf. Corsair was kind enough when I was like, "Yo, I
noticed the M45 is discontinued. This is
a big problem for me. Do you have any left?" They basically gathered up
everything that was in the office, put in a box, and sent it to me. I was like,
"Look, this is in your best interest because my mouse, whether on purpose or
by accident, appears on camera all the time. It is in your best interest for it
to be your mouse. But I can't have them. If they don't exist anymore, please send
me more. Yeah. So, they did it. All right. Let's talk about the uh let's
talk about the KB Lake rumors. There are 10 SKs detailed in the leak. Uh the
mainstream desktop chips will be slightly delayed to early 2017 with
mobile processors set to arrive as soon as possible. And the mainstream chips
will use LGA1 1151, the same soccer as
Skylake, which is actually kind of cool.
Um it is revealed that the mobile chips are already shipping to OEMs. Oh wow. Um
and it is revealed that KBL X so the
HEDT high high wait HE high-end that's
right high-end desktop desktop. Yeah, high-end desktop will utilize LGA
2066 the same as Skylake
X. Um there's some like specific
processor spec stuff. There's a lot of it. So, chipset will change to 200
series. There will be no compatibility with older generation motherboards. Ah,
and the Core i7 sey700 K will be yet another quad core with a 95 watt TDP
compared to 91 watts. A higher base clock, so 4.2 versus 4.0 GHz with boost
to 4.5 versus 4.4. Plus the presumable
uh architectural improvements, though this is still not exactly like the
world's most doesn't seem like leaps and bounds exciting thing ever. Yeah. Um,
the Core i5 7600 K will be a quad core with no hyperthreading. Didn't see that
one coming. Um, the 7700 will actually
have a significantly lower base clock than the K variant this time around at
3.6 allegedly, although it'll have a much lower TDP. So, they're actually
going mainstream with the not K one. And they are giving enthusiasts a
significant performance bump for being enthusiasts and buying a K whether
they're overclocking or not. Although another way of looking at that is that
they are taking away how close the 6700
K was to the 6700 and making it not as
close anymore. Yeah. So that more people will buy the more expensive one. Yes. Um
because money the T chips are going to have 35 watt TDPs apparently. Uh I
actually just recently worked on a pretty cool what Intel CPU to buy uh
article. So that's coming up soon. And it looks like the T chips, while they're
all going to be within that same TDP range, um, are going to be significantly
higher clock speeds or are going to be available with significantly higher
clock speeds. Although I don't know anything about boost clocks right now.
It is speculated that we'll see the usual 5 to 10% per core performance
improvement over the previous generation with key features to include 30 Hz 5K
support on one display and 5K 60 Hz with
dual interface um with dual interfaces,
HEVC 10bit hardware decoding, um 4K blah
blah blah support for Thunderbolt 3, etc. So, not necessarily the most
exciting thing. Nope. But it'll be faster and it'll be like the same price
as the outgoing chips, so you'll buy it. And this is why we need Zen to do really
well. Yeah. All right. The Logitech Gro
gaming mouse designed with and for professional esports player. I always
get a kick out of this when this is like the headline from a gaming peripheral
company. Designed in collaboration with professional esports player. Designed
for professional gamers. But Logitech, I actually had a
conference call with them about this. I decided not to do a review because I am
just straight up not qualified to test it. Um, well, Ed's not doing it. Ed kind
of went, "Yeah, this is a legitimately
good product by the look of things, but
he doesn't think that it's uh that it that it gets a spot on the review
calendar right now cuz it's not like nothing fundamentally new. Basically
what they've done is they've taken a shape that professional gamers loved uh
which is the what is it the G
uh G303 or whatever it is or it's G100
something whatever they've taken a shape G100S there we go that's the one sorry I
was I was struggling because it's all just G's and numbers so they've taken a
shape that gamers love the G100S and
then they've put their uh PMW 33 366
sensor, the same one that's used in the G502 and the G900 inside it. They've
optimized the weight, making it basically a good shape, top-of-the-line
sensor, like final mouse competitor, ultra light mouse. 69 bucks. 69 bucks
for the top-of-the-line sensor. Hyper lightweight. I should make a video on
like all the best products at $69. Actually, it's a kind of because
actually Okay, there's the P400 immature buyer guide. Yeah. Can you build a
computer with all products that cost $69?
And how good is it? Could you? You probably could. RAM would be doable.
Drive doable. Motherboard case, mouse.
Intel has CPUs in that range. AMD does, too.
I mean, monitor would be tough. So would GPU. You could get a monitor, though.
You could get a video card for $69. It just wouldn't be very good. Well, same
with monitor. Yeah, you might actually be able to get a 1080p monitor for 69
bucks and you could enjoy all the 1080pness. Should I do this? Should I
actually do this? That's actually like not the worst idea we've ever had. This is a good W show. We're like coming up
with some pretty good video ideas here. Um, so basically this is the mouse. This
is like the mystery mouse that a handful of pro gamers have been actually using
to compete and on streams for quite some time, but haven't been able to talk
about. Um, looks like the bomb looks
like it's going to sell a metric butt ton. And uh, kudos to Logitech for
listening to their listening to their customers and listening to their pro gamers because as much as I'm mocking
them a little bit here for advertising it as like to help co-design by pro
gamer, Logitech actually does seem to take that seriously and they actually do
seem to do it. So you when I was when I was there checking out the G900, there
was a lot of like you know we wanted to do this thing
but then like so and so from the
sponsored team was like no it has to be this way and then like they pushed us to
do this thing or that thing and these were the engineers talking where
honestly usually when I go talk to different companies the way that I get
like the insider information that the PR guys don't want to talk about is just
talk to the engineers because they don't really have a the greatest
filter. Usually they just kind of say stuff which is great. That's perfect for
me. So like I don't know, they actually do seem to care which is
good. All right.
Um, Global Foundaries to skip 10
nanometer. We're getting into our rapidfire topics here. To skip 10
nanometer and jump straight to 7
nanometer. So they are I guess that's
pretty much all there is to say about it. They're currently operating on 14
nanometer finfet and they in 2015 they
acquired semiconductor manufacturing assets from IBM and is using them to
fasttrack their 7 nanometer progression.
$69 monitors possible. I should totally do that build guide. 1080p 19inch
widescreen from VSic. Ultimate 69 PC.
Yeah.
I have to spray paint like a blue six and a pink nine on the side of it.
Terrible. All right, speaking of terrible, uh, Indiegogo campaign the Oh,
oh, okay, that's probably it. Uh,
okay. Oh,
okay. You're welcome. All I did was
click a link. Okay.
All right. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to get one of these. Oh, really? Yeah.
V Live, the smart shorts that boost your
manhood. Well, we have actually covered
something very similar to this on the WAN Show before. That one was an
insertion device that was for female
Keele exercises. Well, pelvic floor exercises for males are pretty much the
same thing. I don't know if they're still called Keigull. I think they are,
but basically, yes, you squeeze, you know, the squeeze bear. And uh they're
trying to gify it to improve sexual performance and sexual health for men.
And you can back this if you want to
have one of these. Blood flow to the region is just good for your overall
health, even if it's not for sexual reasons. Just to clarify. Yep. I wonder
if it makes me look like this guy.
So, it comes with an instructional app, a wireless tracker, and sensor embedded
shorts. These shorts may actually improve your sex life, says the
Huffington Post. These smart shorts will make your soda bottle explode, says The
Verge. Great. Someone was having fun uh
someone was having fun writing those uh writing those those
quotes. So, there you go. Anytime, anywhere, Vive V helps you monitor your
pelvic fitness. part of their video when he's driving the beamer is
hilarious. I just have to say that they have a whole video and he's he has this
beamer and the the lights keep on doing this like super suggestive
thing. It's really funny. All right, so
there you go. I don't know what a review of that will look like or if it'll how
how safe for audience members under 13 it'll be, but it can't be any worse than
the how to hide your porn video. So, I greenlighted that. I guess I'm greenlighting this.
Hydrop porn video was literally your idea. I think I think so. But it was
like back to like the NCIX days. Very
long time ago, but I I think it was your idea. You know what? For all the hate on
that video, we were okay. We were talking about how I really like True Crypt back in the day. And then you
brought up the idea of actually For all the hate on that video, it's the second hit for how to hide your how to hide
your porn on Google and has over a million views now. has been like the and
like the like to dislike bar used to be horrible and now it's bad, but it's not
nearly as horrible. I just almost reported our video. That's not what I meant. Oh my. Don't pull a Colton. No, I
meant to uh I meant to look at the statistics.
Um yeah, look at that. Like it it it gets jumps in views. What? That must be
where it hit that search ranking. Okay,
that's probably it. I wonder if it coincides with like
seven years of time have been spent watching you basically fool around
suggestively on camera. Seven years of human life.
People really like porn. And on that note, thank you very much for tuning in
to this week's WAN Show. Uh we will see
you guys again next week. Same bat time, same bat channel. Have fun. What a show.
Have fun in your
box. I was up early. I've been waking up
since I
actually Yeah.
But you could do them in the morning, right? But I never trust myself and I
don't know when I'm actually going to be done. So like if it's, oh, I go to bed at 6:00 and then it's 3 hours before
work. Yeah. So theoretically, if I just don't do this tonight and I do it in the
morning, it's all good. But what if it takes more than three hours? Yeah.
Exactly. You can stay up all night. You can't stay up all morning. Yeah.