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I really did try this time guys I even went as far as to ask my team if there

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was some positive spin that we could put on our review of the M2 ultramax Studio

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I kind of wanted a a glass half full angle before I had to dunk on the

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outrageously priced Mac Pro that's going to be arriving in our lab shortly but we

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failed and the blame Falls squarely on

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Apple not on the engineers they're amazing and apple silicon is a miracle

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of Modern Hardware engineering but on the marketers

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all they had to do was say M2 Ultra it's

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M1 Ultra but more betterer and we could have said yup sounds good but no instead

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they're back to their old tricks with performance claims that would get any

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other company sued Weiss in this paragraph Apple compares

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the M2 Ultra to the M2 Max then they've

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got these eye-catching performance claims that are floating down beneath it

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then we scroll down more down further and this is where those numbers come

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from they're doing it again with the unlabeled graphs and frankly comical

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comparison points for their claims this is really misleading they weren't

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comparing to M2 Max or even M1 Apple

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silicon does Apple really think we're gullible enough to believe a

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three-year-old iMac is a sensible performance reference for a professional

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machine also where did this number even

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come from click on any other heading and

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even directly from Apple the M2 ultra's performance leadership looks a lot more

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narrow so I think it's time to roll up our lab coats cut through the marketing

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read the fine print and figure out what apple is trying to hide from me

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Studio is identical to its predecessor right down to its total weight and that

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means that everything I have to say about it concerns what's under the hood

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you've got substantially more bandwidth for displays than the previous

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generation to the point where it greatly exceeds what a single GPU PC can handle

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plus you get Apple's upgraded Wi-Fi 6E module with support for Bluetooth 5.3

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and the 6 gigahertz Wi-Fi band since it's the same Wi-Fi e module that's

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found in M2 MacBooks that makes for a maximum transfer rate that is double

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that of last gen should your wireless router supported of course the stars of

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the show however are the upgraded M2 based socs M2 Max is the same SOC that's

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found on the MacBook Pro 14 and 16 while M2 Ultra is only available on the

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desktop Mac Studio and the Mac Pro it's

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the most powerful silicon that Apple can build and ours is the most powerful

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version of it with 24 CPU cores and 76

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GPU cores which is not a massive

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Improvement on paper next to our M1 Ultra Studio especially since the memory

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bandwidth and Ultra Fusion fabric that connects the two dies together is the

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same as last gen but with the extra course also comes

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higher clock speeds both for the CPU and the GPU which according to Apple gives

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the M2 Ultra over double the 3D rendering performance compared to last

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gen this is achieved in large part by the move to tsmc's enhanced n5p

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manufacturing process which makes the die denser and more energy efficient so

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far so good then but as soon as we tried to replicate Apple's performance claims

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things went South faster than a Gamepad controlled submersible headed for the oh

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sorry things went bad let's start with their

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deeply suspicious octane X render performance the x-axis on their graph

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isn't labeled but we can infer from the numbers that are listed that the M2

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Ultra should be about three times faster than the M1 Ultra that is not what we

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found nor is it what this user from the otoi forums observed we had some ideas

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um like maybe our test was too short and a longer higher resolution render would

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give the new Ultra more time to spool up and flex its muscle but that didn't pan

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out either and come to think of it why would it Apple doesn't even claim to

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have done a complete architectural overhaul here the new GPU got some more

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cores and a faster clock speed and when we click on 3D interaction another GPU

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bound test we see a much more realistic generational bump so what is going on

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here truthfully we're still not sure what we know is that it almost certainly

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has to do with the unspecial specified project that Apple used to generate

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their numbers what we don't know is exactly how they managed to create a

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perfect storm of conditions to support these numbers

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one idea we had was it could be that the project is larger than 128 gigs which is

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the maximum amount of unified memory that's supported by the previous

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generation Apple silicon if they pushed the project out of RAM that would have

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severely hampered M1 ultra's ability to keep up and that would have hampered our

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test machine too since we didn't spring for the full 192 Gigabyte config

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but then that still doesn't explain their M2 Max numbers since that machine

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was configured with 96 gigabytes of memory all we can say for sure right now

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then is that the improved GPU performance is clearly very dependent on

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what exactly the GPU is crunching away at and even in this case it doesn't hold

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a candle to an RTX 4090 which completes the render at the maximum resolution

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available in just three seconds ouch okay well what about other 3D

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rendering Suites like redshift then here the M2 Ultra looks like it's doing about

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how you'd expect against both its predecessor and its little brother M2

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Max but again when we add the PC into the equation we can see why Apple didn't

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want to invite these comparisons that's about the same degree of demolition as

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we saw in octane with the M2 Ultra managing just under 30 percent of the

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4090s performance potential but Linus you might say that's unfair the RTX 4090

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is overpriced it costs 6 600 US Dollars

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and that's true but the GPU and the M2

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Ultra costs more than that it costs

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whatever Apple included in the base config pricing plus a thousand dollars

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to upgrade it to the best config the one that we're using okay how about blender

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then version 3.5 added an official metal

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renderer that promises a major speed up and yeah it's fast like this data from

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our M1 Ultra review is a little old now but if we slot our new numbers in we're

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seeing nearly RTX 30 90 levels of raw

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GPU compute power here though again depending on the scene M2 ultra's best

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showing is still trumped by the ray tracing cores on the RTX 4090 and even

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gets beat by the card's slower Cuda renderer so then maybe applement CPU

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based 3D rendering in their claims sure why they would focus on that but

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sure let's talk about it compared to the M1 Ultra it's about as fast as you'd

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expect from an extra four efficiency course and a bit more clock speed then

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compared to a core I9 13900k PC well

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it's about that much slower still I mean

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it's a pretty impressive showing considering that it's fairly Apples to

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Apples in terms of core count against that Intel chip and that's a pattern

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that continues when we hit it with synthetics like geekbench 6 where single

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threaded performance is about 90 percent of what the I9 can do but multi-threaded

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performance is more or less on par if not faster and we see a bit more of that

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it depends performance with geekbench's GPU test where opencl is above where our

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previous results were but metal is actually higher than what the RTX 4090

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is capable of this highlights two very important

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things first that optimization is King

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and second that you cannot rely on a

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single Benchmark to determine what your real world performance will be even if

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that Benchmark happens to be derived from a real world workload you've got to

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have a full suite for an example in the other direction then cinebench while it

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is an apple silicon native app cinebench is a notoriously Intel optimized

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Benchmark that hasn't yet been updated with Cinema 4d's Apple silicon

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optimizations so while we are seeing

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okay scaling between our apple chips Intel absolutely dominates here again

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this isn't something that we saw in real world workloads and shows you how

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important Benchmark selection can be whether you're trying to paint a

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narrative about your own product or a narrative about a competitors let's look

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at another of Apple's chosen benchmarks then color grading Apple's using DaVinci

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Resolve Studio here and the test sequence is a 28 second prores project

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with noise reduction last time I checked that's not really what color grading

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means so our project then is four minutes of mixed 4K and 8K Blackmagic

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raw and red raw Clips with actual HDR

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color grading and denoising and I'm

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starting to feel a bit like a broken record here but the PC is faster and for

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whatever reason our M2 Ultra machine far

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from being 50 faster like apple claims ended up running slower than our M1

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Ultra machine this has to be some kind

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of bug maybe something kind of like what we saw with the game porting toolkit

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video where we used M1 Ultra silicon because it was what we happen to have

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and it turns out it's totally bugged and performance was way lower than it's

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supposed to be but then in this case we went out of our way to test with resolve

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Studio 18.5 beta just like apple did we

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tried changing the export parameters and we just got the same results every time

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all I can guess is that because this is beta software maybe something thing

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broke in between apple doing their testing and me doing mine so Apple I

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know you've got my digits if you want to help us look into this hit me up and

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guys we'll pin a comment if we hear back from them and get this resolved pun

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intended uh what's left then oh how about code compiling Apple used an open

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source project built with xcode thanks very reproducible Apple so we used

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chromium and whatever Apple was compiling we are just not seeing the M2

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Ultra getting double the performance of the M2 Max though the M1 Ultra number

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does look like it's in the ballpark just by eyeballing the bar graph links Apple

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does manage to outperform Intel here though but that could be partly down to

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the build Target Apple didn't specify whether they were targeting Apple

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silicon or x86 on the Intel Mac so we

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just built native for each platform just like we built our screwdriver available

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at lttstore.com so far all of this

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sounds pretty bad for Apple then and as

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far as their Shady marketing is concerned turned it very much is but

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there's an elephant in the room that we haven't talked about yet and that's

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power in our M1 Ultra Max studio review

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We observed power consumption that never pushed Beyond 227 Watts for the entire

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box however while we had a pretty good CPU

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stressor at the time we didn't have a great way of stress testing the GPU but

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now that blender has a metal renderer we can give it a bit more of a workout do

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bear in mind of course that this is a worst case scenario

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and uh it's pretty impressive it looks like the

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total power from the wall Peaks at around 331 Watts at room temperature

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which Real Talk guys either a core I9 or

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an RTX 4090 could draw on its own

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sometimes even more and the idle power

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consumption is maybe even more impressive at just 18 and a half Watts

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my phone charges with more juice than

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that given that we're looking at CPU performance that's roughly 90 of the way

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to a core I9 and a GPU that's anywhere from about 30 to all the way as fast as

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an RTX 4090 this efficiency is nothing short of

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unbelievable this is what Apple should have been

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shouting from the rooftops about not cherry-picked benchmarks compared

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against older Hardware uh speaking of which there is one more claim that we

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need to verify though operating temperature to do so we popped the Mac

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Studio into our handy dandy environmental chamber and let our

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combined CPU and GPU load rip and

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fortunately the Mac Studio's thermal design is quite capable of handling the

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load at room temperature however it's worth noting that the system does

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throttle its performance rather than increase the fan speed Beyond 1900 RPM

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that means that you could end up sacrificing some performance for lower

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noise unless you use a utility like TG Pro to Auto Max your fans

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to simulate a warmer environment we cranked our ambient heat to 35 degrees

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and unfortunately it chokes pretty hard

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here that's disappointing compared to the perfect performance we saw from an

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RTX 4090 at these temperatures at least

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the fans do finally push past 2000 RPM

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and they do creep a little higher over time but even after 20 minutes they

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never managed to Max themselves out despite the fact that the CPU is

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obviously throttling we saw power consumption that was rapidly fluctuating

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between 215 and 280 Watts so if you're

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living in a hotter climate and you don't have air conditioning don't settle for

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Apple's Auto settings you're going to want to set an aggressive fan curve cap

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off our thermal chamber testing we wanted to see if dropping the

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temperature unlocked a little bit more performance so we set it to 10 degrees

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roughly fall or spring temperatures around these parts and the answer is no

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apple will simply maintain the fan at a lower RPM meaning that you could get

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quieter operation but you won't see any more performance and this is confirmed

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by the roughly similar Peak wattage that we observed compared to our room

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temperature test expansion is an interesting conversation

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that we haven't touched on yet though almost all of the criticism for the M1

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Ultra SOC aside from our assertion that M1 Max made it a pretty tough sell oh

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and Apple's disproven claims of GPU performance kingship was centered around

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the lack of 48 gigabit per second HDMI and its General inability to drive 8K

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displays well with the HDMI upgrade and

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the M2 ultra's ability to drive up to three of those aforementioned 8K panels

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those limitations have basically melted away and if you think about it there are

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very few scenarios where this much expansion is not going to be sufficient

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especially considering that 10 gigabit Ethernet has been standard since the

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first Mac Studio imagine saying that about an Apple product class leading IO I love it side

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note by the way it's really strange that apple neglects to mention that the first

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gen Max studio also has a high impedance headphone jack just like the new one

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does in the compare page archive.org exists you guys come on that

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is not a value add for this gen speaking of value

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there are certainly professionals and prosumers out there who are going to buy

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this and be happy with it at any price and I'm not going to mock them for it I

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mean Apple's got their ecosystem and

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perhaps more importantly they've got applications like Final Cut and logic

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pro so if your workflow requires Apple tools that is totally valid and

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objectively speaking this is the fastest a Mac can go today and it's going to be

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quiet and draw less power than a PC while doing it

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that's what you're paying for same price as last gen faster computer

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what's there to complain about then aside from the ridiculously expensive

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proprietary storage that you can't upgrade post purchase for everyone else

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however 4 000 US dollars is a freaking

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lot of money and that doesn't even get you the top of the line M2 Ultra that's

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going to be an extra thousand dollars on top and then another eight hundred

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dollars for the 128 gigs of memory that we put in ours let's put this into

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perspective a PC with a core I9 13900k and a GeForce

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RTX 4090 with the same capacity NVMe SSD

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the same amount of system memory actually more if you count the GPU RAM

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and even taking into account the cost of the operating system is going to cost

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1722 dollars less you could quite literally buy a

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completely Overkill PC that most people wouldn't even consider to begin with and

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then with the money left over you could also buy an M2 Pro MacBook or a Mac Mini

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that's a yikes and it might be about to get even worse I mean what if anything

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is going to be the advantage of using Apple's brand new Mac Pro chassis over

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the Mac Studio the soc is the same but

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the price is three thousand dollars higher and there's no support for GPU

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accelerators in its PCIe slots maybe the entire point of that product is to make

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the Mac Studio seem like a somewhat acceptable value

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ports it really is an all-in-one get it all done Workhorse but what about

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actually charging the thing won't that take forever you green claims that it

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can charge up from zero to eighty percent battery in 50 minutes five zero

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minutes with its power zip tech oh and it harnesses the power of the Sun as

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well with solar charging that will fully charge it in four hours be prepared for

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your next Outdoor Adventure check out the ugreen power ROM 1200 watt portable

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power station below if you guys enjoyed this video for more on the M2 go check

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out our review of the M2 MacBook Pro turns out cooling is a big deal
