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everyone and their dog has tried to get into crypto or blockchain technology

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somehow and I think it's now safe to say we have finally jumped the shark Norton

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the infamous antivirus company is no longer content to waste just a little

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bit of your computer's resources several months ago they said you know what

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screw it and injected their own cryptocurrency mining software into

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Norton 360. we gasped we shouted we

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cried and then because it's our job to try these things so that you don't have

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to we resigned ourselves to installing

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it leaving only one question is it as

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good as my segue to today's sponsor thanks to kiwico for sponsoring this

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right out of the gate we're starting out strong here because unlike basically

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every other mining software you've got to pay to play Norton crypto yes that's

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what they're actually calling it is only available with a Norton 360 subscription

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so I begrudgingly handed over my credit

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card to do something that we basically tell everyone not to do install Norton

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with that bitter pill swallowed we looked for the opt-in prompt the one

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asking if you want to make some money while your PC is idling and we thought

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hey seems like a great idea everybody loves free money and clicked it but how

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does it work once it's enabled after about a minute

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of your GPU idling the Norton crypto Miner will turn on adding your graphics

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card's power to an ethereum mining pool where it and every other Norton Miner

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goes to work digging for ether when a payout happens it gets split equally

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amongst those in the pool depending on how much hash rate they've contributed

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now this isn't anything new the first mining pool slush pool came out in 2010

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and Consolidated machines to mine Bitcoin in order to give the little guy

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an edge over larger operations by banding together over the years more and

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more mining pool operations have sprung up the end as long as you have the

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computational power you're basically free to join but Norton had some

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Innovative new ideas While most pools and exchanges take a small one or two

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percent cut of your mining profits to share with the pool operator and many

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mining clients also have small Associated fees Norton figured hey we're

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already charging you for Norton 360. so let's disrupt the status quo by charging

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wait Dean percent

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paid of their software compared to basically

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any other solution 15 is outrageous and

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the worst part is we had to go digging for this information at no point during

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the setup process were we informed of this fee and we even tried clicking the

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how does this work button but found only a brief FAQ with basic explanations for

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things like what is a blockchain and how

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does mining work the fee was actually hidden away in a support page for Norton

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crypto behind a drop down there's just

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no respect for the customer here just a hidden middle finger waiting to gouge

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your wallet I feel like you should spend your money on lttstore.com instead look at these

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sexy Wan sweatpants it's time to put my feelings aside though not every product

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is targeted at enthusiasts like me and you so let's play a little game and say

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we're already paying for Norton 360 or it came free with the purchase of our PC

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and we would rather trust a big name we

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recognize like Norton versus spending a bunch of time doing research I mean it's

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a couple of clicks and who cares about 15 if it's all profit anyway right why

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not let your GPU mine while you're at work or sleeping

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okay so the app itself is actually kind

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of okay it shows you the current US dollar to ethereum conversion the card

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that you'll be mining on its average hash rate and both your daily and

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monthly expected return this all seems great for the most part but it ignores

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some Basics like telling you how much wattage your GPU is pulling or more

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importantly factoring those power costs into its calculations it also doesn't

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bring up a client window showing you what exactly is going on when you join a

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pool on your own or usually through a third party there's typically a client

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app involved that shows you important stats like among other things hash rate

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power consumption job acceptance or network info like latency or dropped

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packets and it'll kind of scroll by as your machine does its thing maybe that's

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too scary for the target audience or Norton felt it was unnecessary but

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whatever the case it's just not here

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another missing feature is any sort of Optimizer often when you're first

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setting up a new Miner you can run through an optimization feature that

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will try a number of power core clock and memory clock settings to get the

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best results for your specific Hardware it then saves a config file somewhere

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that the miner can read whenever it's booted up and if Norton is doing this in

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the background somewhere it isn't very good you know what else probably won't

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miss that video now I know that a lot of you consider

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nice hash to be controversial so we don't work with them in a sponsored

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capacity anymore and we're not promoting their use here but we needed a control

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that we know is easy to use so we fired it up on our test bench which we'll have

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affiliate links for down below first using nice hash's quick Miner then for

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another hour with Norton crypto and here's the thing it's normal for

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your return to fluctuate somewhat throughout the day but the results were

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staggering with Norton crypto our 2080

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super on an open-air test bench hit 65 degrees pulled about 160 watts and saw a

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maximum hash rate of 37.2 Mega hashes per second with the quick Miner after

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running OC tune we pulled about 100 to 105 Watts hovered around 50 degrees

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Celsius and had a higher hash rate

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averaging closer to 40 or even 45 Mega

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hashes per second now obviously the winner here doesn't

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surprise us much do we trust the experts or the newcomers but I did not expect a

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performance Gap the size of the Grand Canyon 65 degrees might seem fine

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overall but we anticipate a lot of users

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to be on laptops with hot components in a more enclosed environment that 65

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could easily turn into 80 degrees or higher in the right or wrong environment

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and don't forget that power is expensive

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in some parts of the world so that 30 or 40 dollars of monthly income could come

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with a hefty power bill and you'll also be paying gas fees a small or sometimes

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not small fee when you want to exchange your ethereum and the best part is that

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if the sucky performance isn't enough to keep you away there are even more

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problems with one of the biggest being how hard it is to remove Norton crypto

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from the rest of Norton 360. now actually enabling the software is

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optional but installing it isn't and to

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get rid of it you need to temporarily turn off Norton's tamper protection

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feature then delete the encrypt executable now some other users have

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also mentioned things just not working from time to time or suddenly empty

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wallets both of which are frustrating but at least you can usually find an

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answer from Norton in the comments so far it looks like they only have

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plans to mine ethereum although they will look at potentially adding other

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currencies in the future in case you didn't know ethereum is supposed to go

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from proof of work which is what's currently happening when you join the mining pool to proof of stake which

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instead uses staked ethereum to validate blockchains and add new blocks it's

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meant to be much more energy efficient but to be a Staker you need 32 ether

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about a hundred thousand US dollars worth

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fear not though staking pools are already a thing so the little guy isn't

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completely shut out and the full transition has actually been pushed back

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a number of times but once it happens there's no telling what Norton crypto

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will do next whatever it is I expect that it'll

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reflect their obvious attitude over there which is hey you're already stupid

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enough to waste your money on our software you're probably stupid enough

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to share a disproportionate amount of your mining profits with us

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perhaps the worst part of all of this is the obvious conflict of interest that

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exists Norton has a clearly inferior

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product it performs worse and costs more

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but they can use their position as a trusted malware blocker to allow their

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product to work while scaring users away from better competing products

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but would they be so Brazen is to do that the answer is yes

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so I have no doubt that this endeavor will be insanely profitable for Norton

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they get 15 of your ether and you pay for both the hardware and the abnormally

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high power consumption I just can't figure out anyone else who

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