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to kiwico for sponsoring this video kiwico ships out crates that contain Hands-On projects for kids to help develop their creative confidence and problem solving skills learn more at the end of this video or at the link down below right out of the gate we're starting out strong here because unlike basically every other mining software you've got to pay to play Norton crypto yes that's what they're actually calling it is only available with a Norton 360 subscription so I begrudgingly handed over my credit card to do something that we basically tell everyone not to do install Norton with that bitter pill swallowed we looked for the opt-in prompt the one asking if you want to make some money while your PC is idling and we thought hey seems like a great idea everybody loves free money and clicked it but how does it work once it's enabled after about a minute of your GPU idling the Norton crypto Miner will turn on adding your graphics card's power to an ethereum mining pool where it and every other Norton Miner goes to work digging for ether when a payout happens it gets split equally amongst those in the pool depending on how much hash rate they've contributed now this isn't anything new the first mining pool slush pool came out in 2010 and Consolidated machines to mine Bitcoin in order to give the little guy an edge over larger operations by banding together over the years more and more mining pool operations have sprung up the end as long as you have the computational power you're basically free to join but Norton had some Innovative new ideas While most pools and exchanges take a small one or two percent cut of your mining profits to share with the pool operator and many mining clients also have small Associated fees Norton figured hey we're already charging you for Norton 360. so let's disrupt the status quo by charging wait Dean percent paid of their software compared to basically any other solution 15 is outrageous and the worst part is we had to go digging for this information at no point during the setup process were we informed of this fee and we even tried clicking the how does this work button but found only a brief FAQ with basic explanations for things like what is a blockchain and how does mining work the fee was actually hidden away in a support page for Norton crypto behind a drop down there's just no respect for the customer here just a hidden middle finger waiting to gouge your wallet I feel like you should spend your money on lttstore.com instead look at these sexy Wan sweatpants it's time to put my feelings aside though not every product is targeted at enthusiasts like me and you so let's play a little game and say we're already paying for Norton 360 or it came free with the purchase of our PC and we would rather trust a big name we recognize like Norton versus spending a bunch of time doing research I mean it's a couple of clicks and who cares about 15 if it's all profit anyway right why not let your GPU mine while you're at work or sleeping okay so the app itself is actually kind of okay it shows you the current US dollar to ethereum conversion the card that you'll be mining on its average hash rate and both your daily and monthly expected return this all seems great for the most part but it ignores some Basics like telling you how much wattage your GPU is pulling or more importantly factoring those power costs into its calculations it also doesn't bring up a client window showing you what exactly is going on when you join a pool on your own or usually through a third party there's typically a client app involved that shows you important stats like among other things hash rate power consumption job acceptance or network info like latency or dropped packets and it'll kind of scroll by as your machine does its thing maybe that's too scary for the target audience or Norton felt it was unnecessary but whatever the case it's just not here another missing feature is any sort of Optimizer often when you're first setting up a new Miner you can run through an optimization feature that will try a number of power core clock and memory clock settings to get the best results for your specific Hardware it then saves a config file somewhere that the miner can read whenever it's booted up and if Norton is doing this in the background somewhere it isn't very good you know what else probably won't be very good water cooling gear from wish.com get subscribed so you don't miss that video now I know that a lot of you consider nice hash to be controversial so we don't work with them in a sponsored capacity anymore and we're not promoting their use here but we needed a control that we know is easy to use so we fired it up on our test bench which we'll have affiliate links for down below first using nice hash's quick Miner then for another hour with Norton crypto and here's the thing it's normal for your return to fluctuate somewhat throughout the day but the results were staggering with Norton crypto our 2080 super on an open-air test bench hit 65 degrees pulled about 160 watts and saw a maximum hash rate of 37.2 Mega hashes per second with the quick Miner after running OC tune we pulled about 100 to 105 Watts hovered around 50 degrees Celsius and had a higher hash rate averaging closer to 40 or even 45 Mega hashes per second now obviously the winner here doesn't surprise us much do we trust the experts or the newcomers but I did not expect a performance Gap the size of the Grand Canyon 65 degrees might seem fine overall but we anticipate a lot of users to be on laptops with hot components in a more enclosed environment that 65 could easily turn into 80 degrees or higher in the right or wrong environment and don't forget that power is expensive in some parts of the world so that 30 or 40 dollars of monthly income could come with a hefty power bill and you'll also be paying gas fees a small or sometimes not small fee when you want to exchange your ethereum and the best part is that if the sucky performance isn't enough to keep you away there are even more problems with one of the biggest being how hard it is to remove Norton crypto from the rest of Norton 360. now actually enabling the software is optional but installing it isn't and to get rid of it you need to temporarily turn off Norton's tamper protection feature then delete the encrypt executable now some other users have also mentioned things just not working from time to time or suddenly empty wallets both of which are frustrating but at least you can usually find an answer from Norton in the comments so far it looks like they only have plans to mine ethereum although they will look at potentially adding other currencies in the future in case you didn't know ethereum is supposed to go from proof of work which is what's currently happening when you join the mining pool to proof of stake which instead uses staked ethereum to validate blockchains and add new blocks it's meant to be much more energy efficient but to be a Staker you need 32 ether about a hundred thousand US dollars worth fear not though staking pools are already a thing so the little guy isn't completely shut out and the full transition has actually been pushed back a number of times but once it happens there's no telling what Norton crypto will do next whatever it is I expect that it'll reflect their obvious attitude over there which is hey you're already stupid enough to waste your money on our software you're probably stupid enough to share a disproportionate amount of your mining profits with us perhaps the worst part of all of this is the obvious conflict of interest that exists Norton has a clearly inferior product it performs worse and costs more but they can use their position as a trusted malware blocker to allow their product to work while scaring users away from better competing products but would they be so Brazen is to do that the answer is yes so I have no doubt that this endeavor will be insanely profitable for 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