Alrighty,
go for it. What is up everybody and
welcome to the WAN Show. I am coming at
you live from a Microsoft Teams AI
replace background. Just kidding, Luke.
It's real. I can prove it.
>> Oh yeah, look at that.
>> Look at the effects. Look at the amazing
effects. I am in beautiful Connecticut
today where I've been attending a secret
event that actually like has a live
website. Uh it was really cool. I got to
meet some incredible creators. I met the
one and only Alec from Technology
Connections. I also met Michael Reeves
for the first time. That was awesome.
Got to catch up with Tom Scott. It's
been an amazing amazing couple days. So
I'll be talking about that a little bit.
And I will also be talking about oh I
don't know maybe the fact that sorry
GameStop has offered $56 billion for
eBay even though GameStop does not have
56 billion. So I definitely have some
thoughts on that. What else have we got
this week sir?
>> Well I I mean I offer 57 billion. So
>> okay
>> now it's a bidding war.
>> Thank you. That's helpful. Yes, it's
just it's just as legitimate of as an of
an offer. Uh, did you mention the Valve
thing? I don't think so. Valve imported
50 tons of something just being called
game consoles for now. We'll have to
speculate on what that might be because
there's at least a couple things. Um,
and Toyota built a $10 billion private
utopia tech city. What is what does that
even mean? And I got to throw one more
in here because our headline topic
wasn't actually in our uh our four. AMD
is prepping full HDMI 2.1 implementation
for Linux. This is super exciting for
anyone who's a big gamer on Linux who or
who just loves high resolution and high
refresh rate displays over HDMI. AMD
just keeps being chatted and I
absolutely love it. Roll that intro.
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can't can't wait to get back to it. But
why don't we jump right into our first
topic for today, which has got to be the
big news that AMD is prepping full HDMI
2.1 implementation for Linux. They
submitted patches to add HDMI fixed rate
link or FRL support to their open-source
Linux GPU drivers, which is a huge step
toward full HDMI 2.1 support on Linux.
>> FRL is part of the HDMI 2.1 standard and
enables the higher bandwidth that's
needed for higher resolution and refresh
rates. This is all notable because in
2024, the HDMI forum rejected AMD's
earlier attempt to bring HDMI 2.1 to its
open source drivers over, you guessed
it, concerns about exposing proprietary
details of the standard, which ain't
that the always way? Anytime someone
tries to do something really cool and
just do the work for somebody on Linux,
some standards body or some company is
like, "M, yeah, no. Uh, yeah, just no.
No." An AMD driver engineer confirmed on
the Feronx forums that a full
implementation is on the way, pending
compliance testing, and that display
stream compression support will follow
in a later patch. and this change and
the timing of it are,
let's just say, convenient and very
interesting in light of one of our other
headline topics, which is, of course,
the uh supposed what what was it? 50
tons. Are these metric tons? Are these
imperial tons? um the 50 tons of game
consoles that uh Valve has apparently
just imported because it was a a major
topic of discussion during the
announcement of the Steam Machine that
um hey it's got kind of a modern GPU in
it. Couldn't help noticing it doesn't
support HDMI 2.1.
What's up with that? Well, if AMD's
implementation lands and passes
compliance and the timing of all of this
works out, it could be that Steam OS
devices could get HDMI 2.1 either at or
closely near launch. We don't know if
Valve's been involved in these patches
at all, but just given how chatted
they've been about all of this, nothing
would really surprise me. Luke, do you
want to jump right into the speculation
around the um
very very soon upcoming Steam Machine
launch?
>> Yeah, between April 30th and May 1st,
Bra Lynch, who was uh correct about the
Steam Controller import documents a
couple weeks ago, posted that the United
States received a total of 50 tons of
game consoles from Valve. It is unclear
if this is the new Steam machine, which
is would be the console, or the Steam
Frame, which is Valve's new VR headset,
or possibly even just a bunch of Steam
Decks,
>> though unlikely. Uh, but they were also
game consoles when imported before. So,
it wouldn't it wouldn't be too weird.
Uh, it's worth noting 50 tons is not
maybe actually as much as you might
think. The steam machine was confirmed
to weigh around 6 lb, which would be
about 20,000 units, which
>> is probably not enough even if you think
it's not hyper compelling because if we
look at like the the Steam controller,
which basically every review that I saw
was like
>> it's a little expensive for what it is,
and then it's just instantly sold out.
Like it's Steam hardware, it's just
going to fly. Um, so yeah, I I I mean I
if this is the entirety of the initial
wave of the Steam machines, I think
they're just going to fly out
immediately. Um,
>> yeah, I um Is it our discussion question
on this one or is it our discussion
question on a different one? Uh,
>> yeah, I don't remember, but I'm going to
move our discussion question.
>> One second. Sorry. Elijah included that
the math to figure out that it was
20,000 units is accounting for shipping
weight and CC can weight and things like
that.
>> Yeah. Okay. Um I guess my my question
here is ah yes, this is actually our
discussion question for the Steam
controller selling out in 30 minutes.
Um, and it was, you know, given Valve's
history with, you know, the Steam Deck,
was the day one sellout just
unavoidable, or should a company of
Valve scale have been better prepared?
And I guess I have the same question
when we come to the Steam Machine. If,
and this is a big if because we don't
know for sure, but if this is just
20,000 units of Steam machines for the
US market, is Valve being kind of
irresponsible in launching it with such
limited inventory, or is it possible
that this is just, you know, the the
first shipment and, you know, the next
five CC cans coming in are going to mean
that we're actually going to have a
reasonable amount of of launch
inventory. Like if they launch this with
just 20,000 units, is that just kind of
asking for trouble from scalpers?
Because Steam controllers going for like
hundreds of dollars.
>> If this is the Steam machine,
basically everyone on the internet has
been saying, "Ah, I'm not that
interested for a long time." So like if
you're if you're choosing Yes, I still
think it's low personally, but if you're
choosing the stock for this, I can
understand being a little bit concerned
compared to the Steam Deck. Even
compared to the Steam controller, people
were very interested in the Steam
Controller. They just said it was
expensive and Steam hardware seemed just
be like whatever, people are gonna pay
for it anyways. Uh but the Steam
machine, like most the press I saw on it
was saying it's not super compelling. Um
which I mean I still think it's cool.
>> Like if you're Valve, don't you have
kind of a don't you have kind of a
responsibility to to make your products
available when you say they're available
and stop acting like a small company? I
think the Steam Deck, if I remember
correctly, sold out pretty much
immediately, but then had fairly rapid
waves of restocks, did it not?
>> Sorry. Uh oh, yeah. Um,
yes. Yes, it it was restocked pretty
rapidly, so it was clear that they were
kind of they kind of had staged
shipments that were sort of in various
stages of being transported across the
ocean at the time. Um, it's also
possible, though I'm just speculating on
this, but it is a pretty common strategy
that they would have if they had like
one shipment in their warehouse and like
one at the dock and one at the midpoint
of the ocean and one that was just
wrapping production. Sometimes what'll
happen is if things go way better than
expected, they'll actually take that one
that is just wrapping production, throw
it on a plane, and it'll actually beat
any of those other ones to the
warehouse. So you can kind of you can
kind of massage the availability of
things that way. Like we've we've had to
do that with some of the cables. We've
had to air freight them rather than seaf
freight them just because the demand is
so ridiculous. Um but I just I don't
know man. I seeing what they did with
the controller is not really giving me a
ton of faith that Valve is adequately
stocking this thing. And at a certain
point, I've actually had a Valve
employee
>> say to me like unironically,
>> you know,
>> something something something,
but like, you know, we're a small
company, so blah blah blah. And I go,
listen,
>> revenue and profit-wise, you're not a
small company at all. As as a hardware
company, they don't ship
>> that much hardware. Um,
and I I think that side of their
business is is relatively small, but
still they they they could not be as
you're saying. Um, I think as well it's
it's it's like scalper bait. Um, there's
there's tons of these controllers on
like eBay and elsewhere. Uh, I it's it's
tough because I I I wish that they did
more to fight against that, but I don't
necessarily know what they do.
>> That doesn't make it
>> One of the things they could have done
was they could have just not called it
the exact same name as the original
Steam Controller, which is causing a lot
of OG Steam controllers to be sold at
scalper prices by, you know, to confused
relatives or giftgivers right now.
That's um
>> That's true. That's a really frustrating
situation that was completely avoidable
that I raised with Valve when they did
the unveiling and I was like, "Hey, this
is a really bad idea." I raised it again
in the review and then I just I don't
know. I was feeling kind of sassy and I
sent them and I told you so as well. I
was like I basically linked them like a
bunch of scalper eBay listings and I was
like hey so just a you know third time
this was super avoidable and you guys
didn't have to do this. You could have
just named it in a way that wasn't
confusing.
>> Yeah. People are now calling it the
Valve Steam Controller 2026 model.
>> And if Valve had called it that, I
wouldn't have even been that mad.
>> Would have been a little bit better.
But they just called it Steam
Controller. Like guys, so avoidable. And
so I guess I'm just I guess I'm just
kind of This is just kind of a run of
avoidable issues from them. And I and I
hope that like a I hope we give Nintendo
enough appreciation for what they did
with the Switch 2 launch. They took the
time. They delayed the launch. They
built up inventory to make sure that if
you wanted to switch to pretty much at
launch, you could go and get one. And
that's that's something that is not
necessarily good for their cash flow.
And to your point, can be a risky thing
to do, but it's good for your customers.
And I I I want Valve to stop behaving
like a scrappy startup and act like a
real company when it comes to their
product launches. And I realize this is
kind of rich coming from the guy who
can't keep his cables in stock for more
than flipping 20 minutes, right? I get
that. But come on, man. I definitely
operate with constraints that Valve does
not have.
Just doesn't have.
>> Yeah.
Um,
with all of that said, hey, where are
you at for Steam Machine? Like I I feel
like in the initial launch window,
people were super excited. The uh
excitement kind of waned as we made our
way into the RAM apocalypse and and a
lot of the pricing estimates for the
Steam machine started to go up. Um Valve
clearly has gotten their hands on enough
RAM to manufacture the thing cuz they
haven't actually delayed the launch
outside of Q2, which means it's coming
in the next 7 to 8 weeks. Where's your
bullishness right now? I still think
it's super cool. I I uh I don't think
the lack of interest due to ramp
apocalypse has anything to do with Steam
Machine. I think a very very significant
amount of people are just not interested
in computers right now because they are
in a lot of ways kind of boring. Like
the most interesting news in computer
land right now is people running away
from Windows. It's not it's not
hardware. And then hardware is super
super super expensive. Uh it's it's just
a terrible time to be into computers
unfortunately. So I think that is what
reduced the interest in the Steam
Machine. Nothing to do with the actual
Steam Machine itself. Um
>> really
>> I I think so. When when you look at
handhelds, people prefer the Steam Deck
mostly over pretty much all the
alternatives, even though the Steam Deck
is pretty old and underperformant
compared to alternatives at this point.
Um, and I I think there will be a market
of people that will really like a Steam
machine. People like Steam hardware.
It's another push forward for for Linux,
for Steam OS. I think both of these
things are good. I wouldn't be surprised
at all if the Steam Machine is at least
part of the kick in the pants that that
pushed AMD to try again to push for the
HDMI 2.1 thing. Um, I I think it it just
keeps progressing this same thing that
we've been trying to push for for a
while now, which is which is Linux for
more people. Um, and that's great. I
think people will buy it. I suspect if
it's 20,000 units, it's going to
disappear immediately. Um,
>> I I don't suspect it's going to be like,
oh my god, this like incredible value
option that a bunch of people seem to
think that it was going to be. Um,
>> does it need to be?
>> I don't think so. I wish it was too, but
does it need to be in the grand scheme
of things if what the Steam Machine can
accomplish is it can
>> is it can make PC gaming a more
consolelike experience, something that's
easier to to get into, even if it even
if the money barrier is still there,
something that requires less sort of
technical knowhow. If it takes people
out of their comfort zone and puts them
into Linux, if it creates an install
base for Linux that incentivizes
developers to target this hardware
platform, like can we then can we then
forgive Valve if the Steam machine
ultimately is not that affordable?
>> I like there there's some people in
Flowplane chat. Uh Mick Bane said that
the Steam Machine will need to be cheap.
Um Deox said the deck hit a value
proposition.
>> I hear what you guys are saying. That's
very true. The controller sure as heck
didn't. Sold out in 30 minutes. Um, I I
don't think the machine is as compelling
as the controller. I don't think the
machine is as compelling as the deck. I
think Valve knows both of these things.
I think for the people who kind of want
a home theater machine and it would be
pretty cool to have a Steam OS powered
home theater machine.
>> Yeah. paired with the knowledge that is
kind of weird and a little bit
uncomfortable for me, but the knowledge
that an incredible amount of people just
buy pre-builds. This is a cool Steam
powered pre-build that is trendy because
it's Linux and Steam OS and it can play
all your freaking Steam games and it's
on your TV and your cool new Steam
controller works with it and your Steam
Deck and your Steam Machine are kind of
in the same ecosystem. Neat. I still
think it has all of those things. I
don't think it's going to be super price
competitive. I think for a lot of
people, it's going to price them out
because any computer right now is
basically going to price out a massive
amount of people. It just is a fact at
the moment. Um, but especially if
they're bringing in low volume, I think
it's going to do well for them. And I
welcome anything that uh is honestly
going to keep spicing up the competition
in the operating system space right now
because
even if Microsoft is waking up a little
bit, I need them to wake up a lot. Um
>> yeah, I um this is going to sound crazy.
Okay, bear with me for a second here.
So far, I like the new leadership at
Xbox.
>> Yeah,
>> one of the first things she did was
slash the price of Game Pass. Um, yes,
removed day one access to COD, which is,
you know, a a big boatload of suck for
people who bought Xbox, bought Game Pass
just for COD, but in my opinion,
actually a boon for everyone who enjoys
the variety of Game Pass and appreciates
that aspect of it more and wants the
subscription to be more affordable. So,
I I can actually I can I can get on
board with that move, especially as
someone who doesn't play COD. So, so
take that take that for what it is.
>> Um
I already like what they're doing with
changes to the branding, changes to the
messaging, whole that that whole this is
an Xbox campaign where like a TV's an
Xbox, an iPad's an Xbox, everything's an
Xbox.
>> I understood where they were. I
understood what that meant, right? I
didn't know anyone,
>> but like you know
how long was Microsoft going to beat
that drum that the Xbox is not a game
console? I mean after the disastrous
launch of the Xbox One with the connect
module and then eventually unbundling
the connect module and going, "Oh, okay.
So it's not
the center of your digital life or home
media hub or, you know, whatever." What
it feels like to like how long are they
going to keep trying that? And it seems
like she's saying not anymore.
>> She's also saying, this isn't in the
doc, but I wanted to bring this up
anyways. I'm going to share my screen. I
don't think we can see it, but I'll I'll
I'll speak to it. Uh, Microsoft gives up
on Xbox co-pilot AI.
>> New Xbox CEO Asha Chararma continues to
make her mark. Windows is winding down.
>> Here's where I'm going with this. Here's
where I'm going with this. So far,
I like her. And I think both you and I
were really skeptical. Yeah,
>> because we were just like, "Okay, so
what?" She comes from like the AI side
of the business. What her gaming street
credit is functionally
>> other than other than reducing the price
of Game Pass, a lot of it right now is
words.
>> So, I like I like the words,
>> but they're good words.
>> They're good words, but I'm still kind
of holding
>> powerful words.
Tears streaming down their face.
>> Uh I like these words. They said, "These
are the finest words that any man or
woman alive has ever has ever said.
>> I don't know if I'll ever taste words
like this again."
>> So, so I like her. And
I'm going to make a bold prediction
right now. With Sony being unwilling to
just shoulder the cost of selling
consoles at a loss, they in an
unprecedented move, they raised the
price of the PS5. Sony has never raised
the price of a console before. You and
you can make the argument that when they
when they did the uh the slim for the
PS5, they effectively raised the price.
And in some ways they like kind of did
depending on what configuration you were
buying, but they also like didn't. Um
Sony raised the price of a current
generation PlayStation 5. Never been
done before. Uh Nintendo, this is in the
dock for this week. Nintendo is raising
the price of the Switch, too. That one I
don't know if it's never been done
before, but it certainly is not common.
Valve has moved away. They they or at
least it looks like they have signaled a
strong intent to move away from what
they did with the Steam Deck. With the
Steam Deck, they got really aggressive.
And from what I've heard, they weren't
selling it at a loss. That's not my
understanding. But what they did do was
they made a huge commitment to AMD. They
did that custom silicon and that enabled
them, that was a big part of what
enabled them to hit a hyperaggressive
price point and really build an install
base for this machine so that developers
would have a reason to care about it.
So, so far everyone
except Microsoft is kind of on defense
right now. Do you kind of are you kind
of picking up what I'm throwing down
right now?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Microsoft doesn't have much to defend
right now. What if Microsoft
is the one who comes in with Project
Helix, which is the code name for the
nextG Xbox, and does the like
299
and walks off stage. And to be clear,
it's not going to be 299. Don't Don't
live in a diluted la land where you
think you're going to get a console for
>> You said it.
>> No, I know. I don't mean literally $299,
>> but honestly, you know, against the
backdrop of of rising technology prices,
I think if they walked on stage and even
said $4.99 at this point, that would be
a mic drop moment. Um, I I I'm not I'm
not sure how much hope I should have
because Microsoft has actually also said
prior to Asha Sharma's leadership that
the nextG Xbox will be very expensive.
But like Microsoft has also done a
two-tiered strategy already twice. So
just because the the X skew is really
expensive, that doesn't mean that there
won't be a really compelling value
option. We don't know that. So do you
have Luke, can you find Check your
pinky. Can you just look at check your
pinky?
Can you find even like a single tiny
bone in your body? like a pinky sized
bone that contains any hope for Xbox to
be the savior of the next generation of
consoles. Can you find that hope?
>> He's trying. He's trying, folks. He's Oh
my god, the the brow furrow. Oh, I'm
watching I'm watching in real time as
you're as you're trying so hard. Oh man,
>> my my gut says no. But you are saying
one singular bone and I have I have a
lot of bones. Um
>> yeah, can you bone this?
>> Uh I don't know. I can I can hope. I
seriously doubt though. If you look at
>> Microsoft's path with Xbox for so long
now, the answer from them is for sure
no. Um,
>> but you know, she's also clearly down to
try to change the path and change the
strategy.
>> Um,
>> so maybe they figure out I think it
really depends on like what are the
goals that have been given to her?
>> Is she supposed to make it so that Xbox
isn't the laughingtock of consoles
anymore in regards to like when you're
saying like, "Oh, the other people are
raising their prices." And I'm sitting
here being like, "Yeah, and Xbox is
raising their price on what?" Like They
don't have to raise their price. No
one's buying their consoles. It doesn't
matter. Um like the what what is that?
What was that random thing that outsold
Xboxes for Christmas?
>> Oh, the uh Next Cube.
>> Not the Ouya. The Yeah, next Cube or
whatever it's called.
>> Is that Is that what it's called? I Oh,
man. What What is it called? Is it
called Next Cube?
>> Definitely not the Ouya.
>> Next cube.
>> I'm not.
>> Uh what am I thinking? So, we don't even
know the name of it, dude. And it
outsold Xbox. That's That's my point.
So, like is is
>> from
>> Next Playground.
>> NEX, not NEX. So, you were you were
close.
>> They they Xbox connected better than
Microsoft was ever able to Xbox Connect
and managed to outsell the Xbox with a
console that effectively requires a
subscription. It's freaking wild that
that thing is has found that market that
it has and absolutely killed it the way
that they have. Kudos to them.
>> Yeah. And it's stomped. So like is is
the goal from higher than her that was
given to her like her KPI for for her
not even Microsoft but for her was her
KPI, hey we want to be taken seriously
in the console space again. We want to
sell some freaking consoles and get our
name out there and be a big player again
cuz we're honestly not right now. or was
it just revenue line go up? Cuz if it
was just revenue line go or profit line
go up maybe cuz if it was just that she
might be incentivized to focus on what
she's technically been focusing on so
far at least publicly which is game pass
and and and pushing Game Pass even
harder and getting game pass
>> and not including COD in Game Pass
because that cost them a whole bunch of
revenue.
>> Yeah. Um, so like is it is it those
things
or is it make Xbox a console that people
actually buy again? Because if it if
it's this one, if it's, hey, we're going
to try to invest in the future. We're
going to try to get our market share
back in the in the console space. We're
going to do these things. We're we're
going to um
double down on consoles continuing to
exist. cuz it felt like in the era of
like metaverse, VR, all that kind of
stuff, Microsoft was just going like,
"No one's even going to have consoles
anymore. Let's ditch them." Um, but that
seems to be going away. Yeah. What's up?
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Here's what I want to
know. This I'm actually like hyper
interested in your perspective on
because I think that you almost have
like two competing fragments of your
soul in your body that are almost uh
that have goals that are almost in in
perfect conflict with each other because
on the one side you were an Xbox kid and
when you see a green Xbox logo that
makes a little lizard part of your brain
light up and go, "Yeah, Xbox." Yep.
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. Okay. Okay.
Other side other side of your other
fragment of your soul
>> is PC gamer. Why would I game on
anything that I didn't build with my own
two hands or or Lionus' children built
me built it for me or you know whatever
you know some some variant of
>> why would I play on a computer that
wasn't it didn't have child labor
involved? What are we talking about?
Good news, Luke. You don't have to. Um,
>> none of us do if we're being very
honest.
>> Yeah.
>> Dang. Oh.
>> Uh, okay. Let's move on from that really
really fast.
>> Um,
and and and and rooting for the
customizability and the DIY spirit of of
PC gaming. And I think that part of you
has really embraced the way that
Microsoft is has is making the PC more
Xbox like and buying a single license of
an Xbox game gives you the right to play
on PC and and I I I suspect you're also
pretty down for like the Xbox full
screen experience and how it, you know,
makes your PC run slightly more
efficiently and less like a Windows
machine and more like a gaming machine.
How do those two pieces of you reconcile
with each other when we know when we
know in our heart of hearts that the
thing that makes a console generation
successful more than any other more than
any other rule in the playbook
>> exclusives
>> is exclusive. Yeah. See, you knew
exactly where I was going with it.
That's what sells consoles. So, how can
Xbox be come back to its former glory
without like Dead Rising and without
Halo exclusives and without without all
these things that made the 360 era the
peak of Xbox?
What What would it look like for you?
>> Yeah, it's tough. I The exclusives one
is interesting because Sony and Xbox
both started pushing games to Steam. Um,
you can there's a there's a chart that I
saw recently that was super interesting
which was like PlayStation exclusives
and how they performed on Steam and like
Hell Divers was way up there and but a
lot of other things did pretty well but
you know Hell Divers killed it. Um, but
a lot of people
>> like that that's a lot of PlayStation
games on PC.
People are still buying tons of
PlayStations.
So, like I I kind of feel like
>> uh you know them them putting Microsoft
exclusives on PlayStation might be the
the too far move in terms of exclusives,
but I don't know 100%. I also don't know
if this is just my brain trying to
convince me this is true or if I
actually believe it's true. But I don't
know that putting games on PC ruins your
console attractiveness. Now, I would
also have to dive deeper into the time.
dive first or can I counterpoint that
first? It's up to you. I was going to
add really quick thing basically that I
don't know how PlayStation has done it.
I don't know if there's like an
exclusive window at the beginning and
then they released it or or not.
>> That's exactly what I was going to bring
up is that the PlayStation 5 generation
has been one of
>> shifting strategies for Sony. At the
beginning of the generation,
there's
never going to come to another platform
or at the very least there was literally
no given timeline.
Then Sony kind of started to do this
thing where it turned out they were
actually selling like, you know, a lot
of PlayStation games on Steam and they
started to talk about, you know, when
the window is going to open and when
you'll be able to buy these PlayStation
games on other platforms. Now, I don't
think this has actually been confirmed
formally. Um, and someone can correct me
if I'm wrong. Hit me up in the chat,
guys. But from my understanding, Sony
has now sort of started to look at these
numbers in the gear up to PlayStation 6
and gone, "Okay, well, hold on a second.
Maybe we need to dial back this
exclusives on PC, on Steam strategy
because are we selling enough
PlayStation fives right now?" Um, I
would say we're not.
That's that's my understanding of kind
of where it where it's at right now.
>> Um,
>> so could you see a future where there's
a window where where Xbox exclusives
exist on Xbox exclusively for some
period of time, a year, year and a half,
two years even, and then they kind of
open up the floodgates and go, "Okay,
let's grab some more extra revenue now
that this has moved as many consoles as
it as it will." I honestly think even 6
months is would be completely fine. The
world moves so fast. Now, one thing that
I want to throw out there is this chart
from uh the Alina Insight newsletter. Uh
Alina analytics substack. Um copy sold.
Top PlayStation Studios games by copy
sold. You see Hell Divers 2 is way way
way up here. This is sold on Steam. I
don't have the stats for on PlayStation.
And as far as my understanding goes,
this game sold
gang busters on PlayStation 2. Uh, well,
>> PlayStation as well. Um, thank you.
>> It was released simultaneously on PC and
PlayStation 5. It did release on Xbox,
but it was way delayed on Xbox.
>> Um, okay.
>> Oh, but closer to the window I was
talking about. Not a year or two years.
It looks like it was released on
PlayStation and PC in February, and it
was released on Xbox in August. Same
year. No, not same year.
Next year. So, it was a pretty big
window.
>> Okay. So, like 18 months almost.
>> That's huge.
>> I mean, we're in pretty uncharted
territory right now. Uh, pun kind of
intended here. Um, where this whole
thing with exclusive, but like not
exclusive, but maybe timed, but maybe
sometimes not timed. Um, you know, I
think it's I think it's pretty pretty
obvious that Nintendo has has drawn a
clear line in the sand. They allow their
IPs in other, you know, forms of media
now, like you you know, there's that um
there's that mobile Mario Kart game. Um,
and and you know what, actually, I mean,
their IPs have actually I remember um
what's what was it? Mario is Missing was
like a PC a PC Nintendo IP game back
from when like I was a kid. Um, so they
they allow their IPs on other platforms,
but Nintendo seems pretty clear that if
you want to play a Nintendo game, you
will play it on a Switch console or they
will come after you. Um, yeah. Is this
Did I imagine this? Maybe it was
something else.
No, it I mean it shows Super NES as the
as the image, but it says platforms MS
DOSs,
>> Macintosh, Windows, NES, and Snoop Super
Ness.
>> I remember seeing it for sale at London
Drugs.
>> I've never heard of this before.
>> Anyway, I I never actually played it. I
just remember seeing it.
>> Did not like it so much.
>> Oh, well, okay. Maybe maybe maybe that
was the one. Maybe that was what chased
them off the PC in the first place.
>> Maybe.
>> Um,
>> but okay. So, you've laid out your ideal
strategy, which is that Microsoft
doubles down on the Xbox hardware being
affordable, right? I where I don't know
if you actually said that, but it was
kind of
>> Yeah,
>> I asked question.
>> If they want consoles to if they want
their console to continue to exist in a
meaningful way, they need to make a
splashback cuz they're going to have to
win everyone that went to PlayStation 5
back, which is going to be tough.
>> Yeah.
>> So, they're going to need to come in
swinging with something big. They It
would be real good for him if they had a
Halo like game, which
What What's the last like Microsoft
Studio game?
>> Forza, I guess would be the last one
standing.
>> Forza Horizon 6 is coming.
>> It'll be it'll be too early for the
console launch. Um,
>> but in terms of like blockbuster first
party Microsoft game
or even exclusive game like I I'm having
a hard time even even thinking of any.
Yeah, Lightning XCE in chats like I
don't know Halo 2 remake again.
>> Yeah. Like
>> yikes, man. So, I don't I don't know
what they have to like really bring
people in. And and Halo has
diminished pretty hard.
>> Uh yeah,
>> I don't I honestly don't know if they're
capable of bringing it back. Starfield
was kind of
>> um
>> Yeah,
>> I'm not confident in Bethesda being able
to release a good game.
>> Don't worry, Activision Blizzard will do
it.
>> Uh yeah. Okay. Uh,
sure. Uh, I don't know. They sure spent
a lot of money buying some stuff.
>> Okay. Noi put together a comprehensive
list for us. Here we go.
>> Cool.
>> Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024.
Gears of War Reloaded. I can You look
like You look like I I know it didn't
happen because I'm not in the room with
you, but you look like someone farted.
>> And that's what you look like.
>> I know it didn't happen cuz I'm not in
the room with you. Is hilarious.
He farts on wros so much and you guys
have no idea.
>> Age of Empires 2 definitive edition.
>> Is that helping?
>> Uh
new fable.
>> You know what?
>> A killer,
>> dude. The new fable that doesn't have uh
uh character physical changes based on
karma status.
>> What?
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Did you hear about that? How's it
even Fable,
>> right? Like, what are you doing? Uh, new
Fable won't have
>> we made a different game and slapped the
name on it.
This is one of those things that I just
kind of I look at and I go, look, I
understand from a game developer
standpoint and even from like a fan and
community standpoint, you know, the
sequel shouldn't just be like slap a
coat of paint on it, Force Awakens it,
and just make the same thing again, you
know, but how can you not
Yeah. How can you how can you take
something that was like like a core
standout
differentiating feature of the original
and just go eh
>> dude when when people would tell me
about Fable when Fable was first coming
out that was the thing that they would
tell you. That was it. It's an RPG
>> and the actions that you do physically
change your character based on karma
status. It's like oh wow interesting.
Uh, Boom pointed out it's like Civ 7
forcing you to switch civs all the time.
Amazing example of just like what are
you doing? Like I I honestly have no
interest in ever launching Civ 7 again.
That that game is just cooked in my
mind.
>> Like I don't even care about cosmetics.
Like you know this. I've never spent a
dollar on cosmetics in my life. And just
just out of silent protest towards horse
armor and everything that followed it. I
mean, you know this too. I played a
bunch of Halo Infinite. I earned a bunch
of helmets and armor and like what
skins. And I stubbornly played with the
stock skin no matter what my rank was. I
actually even did the same thing in
Clare Obscure where they're not even
they're they're not even purchasable. I
just I played with the stock outfits the
whole game because I'm just like I don't
know whether I'm old school or whether I
just like can't stand the idea of
microtransactions and cosmetics in my
game. I just I don't I don't want to
even allow myself to assign a value to
my character looking a little bit
different and I'm probably yeah I'm
probably I've gone too far and that
that's that's like that's totally fine.
But even for someone like me who goes
out of my way to proudly publicly not
care about cosmetics in Fable, there
would have been times when I was like,
"This quest would be easier or this
situation would be easier if I just
murdered the crap out of everyone and I
didn't because I didn't want to like
senator Palpatine myself."
>> Yeah. And I and I wanted to so so tying
the moral choice to your physical
appearance in that way really impacted
gameplay for me in a way that I think
would actually be even more impactful in
the era of in-game cosmetics and in-game
outfits
and and to to not do that is like
>> actual insanity. People are saying
>> crazy to me,
>> by the way, that apparently Foraxis has
announced that they are going to maybe
be walking
>> the the force changing of civs back or
something.
>> I don't know the details. No one linked
an article, but multiple people said
this um
>> look like
>> I don't know. People are saying it might
be a different mode now. Um yeah, they
did with the time of update something
test of time. I I don't know, but some
something may have changed or be
changing or something like that. But
honestly, like
I I played one match of Civ 7 and every
single Civ game that I remember playing
since I think Civ 4,
>> you play it on launch and it's like it's
a little rough,
>> but I see the bones. This will be cool.
We'll come back in some updates. They
release some expansions and it becomes
really, really good. And then you wait
and the next game comes out and the same
thing happens. Civ 7 was the first time
that I played it and was like, "The
bones are rotten." This
>> Oh, here it is. pcgamer.com.
Civ 7 players can once again play as a
single civilization in a massive
overhaul update that is tentatively
coming in spring.
>> So, it's not here yet.
>> These these updates are similar in scope
to an expansion. So, there's hope, Luke.
Maybe I I won't completely give up. But
I will say
>> like I I specifically remember playing
Civ 6 and being like, "Oo, I don't like
a lot of these systems. I don't like how
this works." But, you know, they do this
every time. I'll just wait and then
it'll get good. And then I like Civ 6
now. I didn't have that reaction playing
Civ 7. And you know, if they can pull it
out, they don't have Luigi anymore, so
that'll be rough.
>> If they can pull Jeez,
>> that'll be rough. they can pull it off.
I think it would be considered a win
though.
>> They lost their ace in a hole. They lost
their their
>> I don't want to talk about I don't want
to talk about Xbox forever. Uh that was
that was crazy what you just said and
I'm glad I was talking over it. Um, I
want to play a fun game before we before
we finally move on from like talking
about Xbox, but Amir in Floatplane chat
kind of inspired a little short
conversation that I want to have with
chat here and said, "If Microsoft bought
Project Red and made the Cyberpunk
sequel an exclusive to Xbox, I would
definitely go back. I think that's
literally the only title I can think of
that would bring me back to Xbox." And I
actually want chat I want you guys to
kind of give me your line. Give me your
bribe that it would take for Microsoft
to to to win you back.
>> An interesting question. Yeah.
>> Force you back to Xbox.
>> Witcher 4 and Cyberpunk 2087 or
something. Both coming to the new Xbox
console would be pretty that would be a
pretty big pull. One of
>> GTA 6. It's not happening. It's not
relevant. I shouldn't say it's not
relevant. It's very relevant. It's not
relevant to this conversation.
>> Yeah. Give me something a little more
realistic.
>> I I think something that's kind of funny
about that argument to me is the thing
that would bring you back to Xbox is
them buying another game studio.
>> Yeah.
>> And seeing how they've handled the ones
that they have like
>> I I would prefer that just doesn't
happen. I think, you know, okay, they
have new leadership. I need to I need to
try to remember that and have some hope
cuz she's been doing, you know, she's
been saying good things and has done a
good thing so far. Um, but yeah, Peter,
just one more hit, bro.
>> Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man.
>> Oh, man. Uh, Elijah says Elder School 6
being exclusive might.
>> Katos is like Portal 3. Okay, we all
know that's never happening.
>> Uh, people got me, man. Titanfall 3.
Titanfall 3. If they actually made a
genuinely good successor to Titanfall 2,
>> let's go.
>> That That would be my hook 100%. I would
be done. I'd be cooked immediately cuz
that's the in my opinion, Titanfall 2 is
I I don't know how nobody freaking
played it cuz EA is dumb and never
marketed it. But you look at reviews on
Steam, overwhelmingly positive. Everyone
loved it. The community is super strong.
That's the like Halo.
>> That's their halo. If they market
Titanfall 3 properly and they get the IP
somehow and they get some of the the
spirit that actually made Titanfall 2
and they make a genuinely good successor
to it, that game would
>> combat is so fun.
>> It's so fun.
>> That game is just and and it's it's one
of those things where it's like um like
you know how you know how wine
connoisseurs will talk about the body
and the aroma and the whatever you know
I we can be the same about games, right?
where we start to kind of pick them
apart and we talk about the innovative
mechanics and the stunning visuals and
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah,
but at the end of the day, does any of
it matter unless it's fun?
>> Titanfall 2, I could say a lot of really
sort of pretentious
things that are really good about it,
but at the end of the day, it's fun.
Sometimes you're in a mech and it's
never not fun. the weight and the like
the momentum of this mech. You can like
feel it. I was never even like a mech
warrior kid, but it was like neither
>> satisfying
>> and it was great.
>> And and and those combat sequences made
sense. You had big weapons and you
fought big stuff. And then you kind of
it's kind of like like power '90s Power
Rangers, man, where then that didn't
mean that you could just solve every
problem with your big mech. Sometimes
you had to fight on the ground and like
cool like mirror's edge like uh parkour
and like running and sliding and like
really satisfying gun combat too. It's
just such a fun game. Okay. Okay. I
think I think we're starting to lay a
groundwork here, Luke. So, they need to
actually somehow turn around Bethesda
and make a good Elder Scrolls game.
>> That would be massive as well.
>> They need to they need to do Titanfall
2.
Um, you know, COD is going to be COD,
right? So, you know, but I don't I don't
think I don't think at this point you
can make COD Xbox exclusive. I don't
think there's any putting
closing that Pandora's box again.
>> Yeah, I don't think they should, to be
honest. Just
keep saying
>> um
>> like if I'm trying to think if I'm
trying to fully put my Microsoft hat on,
I don't think they should do that with
COD.
>> I don't think so either. Yeah,
>> take taking COD off PC would be crazy
work at this point.
>> Obsidianbased New Vegas sequel.
I don't think they can do I don't think
they even should do a New Vegas sequel,
to be honest. I think just doing an
Obsidian-based Fallout though could be
pretty sick if if they if they get
Bethesda to just really actually make a
good game again and they focus on on uh
Elder Scrolls 6 and just leave them
there.
>> Yeah. and take get Obsidian to wake up
and make things and make Fallout. That'd
be awesome. If they somehow get the IP
and actually do right by it with
Titanfall, that would be amazing cuz
honestly, I don't think they can make
Halo.
I feel like Halo's like aged out.
>> I don't know how you fix it. I think may
maybe if you get off of Spartans or
something like if you if you focus on
>> what is even Halo without Spartans
though like come on.
>> Yeah. If if you somehow focus on like
>> without planets too
>> you know like what are we even what are
we even talking about?
>> Yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah. People said
ODST. There's ODST.
>> We should move on. Uh Madscribe says,
"Hey, Steam Controller has a reservation
queue now. So if you want one, uh that's
probably the way to do it if you don't
want to get scalped on that." And uh
man, don't pay $300 for a Steam
controller. It's a good controller. At
$100, it was kind of hard for me to
wholeheartedly recommend. At $300, it is
impossible for me to recommend.
>> Um
>> go go sign up for the queue. Give Valve
your money. Not predatory scalpers. I
don't know why I have to say this. If we
all just got together and never paid a
scalper for anything, they wouldn't
exist anymore and it would be a better
world. Um, don't do that. Uh, but let's
uh let's let's let's move on. Uh, we
should probably get some sponsors done.
Hey, Dan, I can't see your your thing.
Or why don't I jump into the CW
announcements first. We actually have a
a pretty loaded up week for CW. Some of
you have noticed this already, but to
celebrate our new website,
Dbrand, uh, Luke, do you want to share
your screen?
>> Uh, yeah. Let me get there.
Dbrand products. Select Dbrand products
are now available on ltstore.com
with exclusive colorways,
ghost and green circuit that look
absolutely flipping amazing. And the
best part is that unlike if you order
these products from Dbrand's website,
you will actually get both the ghost
circuit skin and the green circuit skin
for the product that you select. So,
we've got skins for uh Switch 2 as well
as for um Steam Deck for key modern
phones. Uh I've actually gotten a ton of
comments. Uh where is it? Where's my
phone? There it is. I've gotten a ton of
comments on my green circuit skin here.
It's got just like very OG classic
circuit board vibes. And then we've got
the uh the white one. The ghost circuit
has like a super cool kind of prismatic.
Uh you'll have to find maybe another
shot to Dan has some shots on his
computer that show how it kind of
catches the light. Uh Dan, do you want
to just uh do you want to show those and
just go back to uh Yeah, you can kind of
see it on the on kind of the bottom
there. What else you got? Hit me. Yeah,
you can see it kind of at the bottom of
the phone there. Yeah, super cool.
>> Dude was up in Floatplane chat says, "I
knew you were using a skin that wasn't a
thing before. You ignored me for a
reason. I understand. I'm not mad at you
anymore. I'm glad we're good. I'm glad
we're good." Dude was up.
Anyway, freaking excited about this
partnership. Uh so now if you wanted to
get a a Dbrand case for uh for your
device, then you can also pick up some
awesome stuff from ltstore.com at the
same time. And I've got a couple of
things that you can uh that you can pick
up that are new. For this week, we're
launching our LT precision multi-bit
standard kit. So, a little while ago, we
rebranded the Precision Kit Pro, and
that was in preparation for this because
we now have two tiers of our precision
multi-bit screwdrivers. This one is
designed for everyday repairs, upgrades,
and tinkering. It covers the most useful
precision bits in one compact package.
Has the same premium LT build quality
with an anodized aluminum handle,
magnetic bit retention, a stainless
steel internal shaft, and an end cap
that spins suspiciously well for
something meant to be a screwdriver. It
builds on the bestselling Precision Pro,
and it packs the most useful bits, a
removable crossbar for stubborn screws,
that's new, and a magnetic organizer
case into one compact everyday kit. So,
the main difference here, guys, is that
it um
it
hold on, I'm actually trying to think.
Uh how many how many bits are bit
changes? So, this one has 31 and the big
one has 61. And then Luke, if you zoom
in, you can actually see there's a hole
through the driver now that you can use
that torque bar on. Um, and so it
doesn't have the internal bit storage in
the driver anymore. But some people
actually prefer this style anyway. So,
uh, we've got that launching this week.
And then finally, we're adding new
colors to the blank t-shirt lineup. Uh,
we're getting a seasonal refresh with
grape, jade gray, and cafe. Oh, excuse
me. Coffee. Same lightweight fabric,
refined fit, and all the overthinking
that went into making a genuinely good
blank tea. And
also available in tall because finding
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tagline. So guys, you can check out the
new blank tease.
I think that's it for creator warehouse
stuff. Oh, okay. This is interesting. We
have a new mailing list. We're offering
a singleuse 10% off LTT Store coupon for
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Uh oh, I guess we should jump into uh a
few comms. Uh, we believe that when you
throw money at your screen, when you're
watching your favorite creators or
podcasts or whatever else it is, that
you should get more than just the
self-satisfaction of supporting a show
that you like, you should get quality
products in the mail. So, we did away
with super chats and Twitch bits and all
that other stuff. And we consolidated
all the contributions to the show into
checkout messages. All you got to do to
send a checkout message is what Luke's
doing. He's presumably adding something
to his cart. There he goes. He's adding
something to his cart and he's going to
show you guys the interface. Once you're
in the checkout, you will see the box to
type up a little checkout message. There
it is. You can choose your color. You
can make your name show up if you wanted
to um if I don't know if you want your
name to show up on screen, you can make
it anonymous. And then when you guys are
done typing up your message while we're
live, it'll go to producer Dan.
There he is. who will respond to it or
curate it for me and Luke to respond to
and we'll show you guys how that works.
You want Do we Do you have a couple uh
check out messages for us, Dan?
>> I do. Yes, I got a few here.
>> Hello, LLD live leaks and damage
control. How many times have you blamed
a company for a product not working when
it's because of you and you will not
admit it?
>> Uh,
I've definitely blamed companies for
things not working.
um because and and it turned out to be
user error.
>> Um I I can't I I am open to a time that
I have done that and not followed up.
>> Uh
>> can you think of can you think of the
most maybe interesting one when it was
it wasn't Jimmy Fallon show? That one
just actually didn't work. Um, can you
can you think of maybe the most
interesting one where it was user error
and you ended up figuring out later?
>> Uh, let me think. I'd say that happens a
lot more like live on WHow where I'll be
like, "Oh, I can't get my, you know, my
iPhone to do this because I'm I'm not
facteing everything for Wow,
>> yeah, yeah, that's true. I don't fact
fact check everything in my life
anyway." Um,
oh yeah, of course, of course chat's
going to go there. Billet Labs, question
mark. I mean, my my issue with Billet
Labs was not that the temperatures
weren't good, though. Um, the reason
that I was dismissive of the product is
for all the reasons that it failed
anyway, which is that it was expensive.
It didn't fit in any case that existed
or would ever exist.
>> Based on your technical thing, you were
saying that you didn't because you guys
did use it wrong, right? You used it on
the wrong card or something. We used it
on the So, so they told us it might work
on this GPU, but it's designed for this
other one. And I put it on the GPU that
it didn't work on, and the temperature
sucked. But by that time, I had already
had to modify my motherboard to get it
to fit. I had already determined that it
was not actually like good to put in any
case anywhere ever. Um, I had already
be from my experience as a water cooling
product product manager, I had already
determined that there was never going to
be a follow-up to this thing cuz that
that I don't think people even like
remember this video at this point.
They're just like mad, right? Um, so
part of the pitch for it was like, hey,
if your GPU changes, but you keep your
CPU, you don't have to throw away the
whole thing. You could like you could
like have like a GPU replacement. They
never made that because that was never
>> All I was trying to bring up was that I
think we did talk on W show about how
you technically didn't use the the fully
appropriate card. So it wasn't it wasn't
that you didn't address that.
>> Oh yeah. No, we Oh, we totally addressed
that. It just wasn't the problem with
the product. The problem with the
product was that it was a bad product
and it didn't matter how how it
performed because there's a you can only
you can only get water cooling to
ambient temperature, right? And water
cooling CPUs and GPUs has been mostly an
optimization problem for like many years
at this point. We saw this when we did
water cooling through the ages. So no
amount of of narrowing of of reducing
that sort of that narrow performance
band was going to make this totally
senseless product make any sense. So
and I've been completely validated on
that. They did one production run and
then never made it again. uh in spite of
all of the attention that it got like
millions upon millions upon millions of
impressions for this product.
>> I mean, I still don't think it was
handled properly, but
>> No, no, it wasn't. No question. No
question, but it was doomed from the
start. And I just I don't think I need
to go over it all again.
>> Um,
>> how about another one?
>> What else we got? Anyone got anything?
There was, wasn't there some time you
said something about a drive on like the
PlayStation or something and uh
>> Oh, yeah. But we did a whole video.
>> No, I'm not. No, no, no. I'm I The core
question because we got way off track
here. The core question was what do you
think was the most interesting time that
something went wrong because of user
error and then,
>> you know, we we addressed it or whatever
cuz it's going to happen many many
times. We've been making content for way
too many years. So, what do you think is
the most interesting one? I I don't need
you to like defend something. It's just
what what do you think was the most
interesting one?
>> I mean, I don't think the uh the
>> PlayStation one might not be a good
example. I was just trying to throw
options out there. When I'm when I'm
thinking interesting, I'm thinking like
it was, you know, the reason why the
user error happened might have been
because they did something in a in an
interesting but non-standard way. So, it
kind of like was intriguing when you
figured out that it it was it was user
error and it ended up making the product
like cooler potentially,
>> not temperature- wise, like interest.
>> I mean, it wasn't user error, but I
think my favorite product that I was
ever completely wrong about was probably
the Logitech G-Cloud.
I just
completely underestimated what a great
experience that product would be for the
right for the right user. And it's still
not something that I find myself using.
Like there's one in our warehouse. I I
don't use it. But um when I did take it
home and use it for a while, I was like,
"Oh, I get it now." Cuz it was like so
light and um the battery life was so
great. And I had been so so dismissive
of that. Um,
I think that's probably
I think that's probably the the the
coolest product that I've ever been like
totally totally wrong about.
Can you think of any like are there are
there any that you were just like,
"Yeah, this this thing is useless and
stupid." But like
>> I mean we've disagreed on on things many
a time over the years, but that makes
sense. I I I can't really think of like
um
again that isn't really at the core of
the the question. So I think I think we
just move on to the next one.
>> Sure. Yeah. And you know what?
Realistically there's probably something
that I've gotten wrong um that I just
don't even know yet. like if if anyone
that's why I kind of wanted to go to
chat because if there was something that
you guys saw that uh that that we kind
of that we got that we got wrong that I
have not acknowledged yet then I'm I'm
happy to I'd like to
bring back Kickarted. Kickstarter is not
like the same anymore. It still exists
but it's it's a totally different world.
It's honestly
>> I'm assuming more like a marketing
>> probably better now. Yeah. It it used to
be like the freaking wild west and now
there's there's a lot of companies that
like are Kickstarter companies kind of
like they they almost exclus like they
they barely even have their own
websites. They basically just function
through Kickstarter. Um Kickstarter is
where they launch every product product
that they make. Um like these are these
are totally a thing. Um
which is which is cool. It just makes it
less interesting in a kick farted
stance. For people that don't know what
we're talking about, we used to have a
series called Kickarted and I don't
think there was a I think there's maybe
like three of them.
>> We did like two episodes or three or
something like that. Yeah.
>> Yeah. But it was we would we would back
a Kickstarter and the idea was that we'd
actually hope that it did ship
>> which was another flaw with the plan
because sometimes they just wouldn't end
up shipping at all. U but we would back
a Kickstarter, hope that it would ship
and then
>> you know our bet basically was that it
was going to be junk.
>> Yeah. Yeah, if it's good, then it's a
review of a cool product. And then if
it's bad, then it's kickarted.
>> Kickfarted.
>> But it turns out the the the overlap
between ideas that were good enough to
eventually get manufactured, but so bad
that they were completely dead on
arrival
>> and just worth crashing basically.
>> Is Yeah. It's like really really really
small.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. It was fun to make those. I had a
they were they were fun to shoot. They
were fun to write for. Uh it was
actually kind of fun testing those types
of products. Um but yeah, it's just the
like limited inventory of what types of
things you can actually do that with
just sort of kind of ran out. I'm sure
there's been examples since then, but we
haven't paid enough attention that you
would have to to be able to do that over
time. And I don't think really anyone
has like Kickstarter was had this like
super super powerful moment uh of of
relevance and I I think it's kind of in
the past now.
>> Yeah. I mean there are still things that
just go freaking gang busters on
Kickstarter.
>> No, dude. I mean I'm holding one.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good example.
Um, like Kickstarter is still a really
big deal. It's just not um,
>> you know, it's not in the news like
every freaking
week like it was before. Like, yeah,
this the Slay the Spire Downfall board
game uh, campaign.
>> It's it's a it's a board game
that raised $7.6 million.
>> Wow. But then I mean that's like that's
an established IP too.
>> That's what I'm saying. A lot of
Kickstarter now.
>> Yeah. Just using it as using it as
marketing slash as a as a cash flow
exercise. like we've got a product
coming. It's the one that I was alluding
to that
in order for us to manufacture enough of
them um
probably the best way to raise that
money outside of like you know taking
private equity or venture capital or
whatever out outside of taking outside
capital would probably be to essentially
you crowdfund the the costs of the first
production run um by announcing it early
and and like doing a Kickstarter
campaign. I don't think that we would
bother to use the Kickstarter platform
if it was us. Like I got to imagine
there's like a Shopify plugin for that,
right?
>> But just pre-orders basically.
>> I mean, essentially, but part of the fun
of Kickstarter is that it's at like
different tiers. So, if you get in
really really early, it's at like a
crazy good price. Or it comes with extra
it comes with a hat that's like, "Yeah,
I backed it first." like building these
kind of these bundles.
>> We have the ability to do that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think we could do that.
>> Remember the wave system that we had for
the backpack?
>> Yeah, I wave system.
>> Pretty sure you could just use that to
to like change it as it goes.
>> Master of Nun says, "Aren't there strict
rules regarding the use of crowdfunding
capital? I don't believe you're allowed
to spend that money." No, no, no. But we
would be spending the money to make the
product, so that would be fine. So that
that's what I mean when by like raising
money to do the first production run. It
would be
to to make the product that people are
are buying. Uh you're just you're
selling it at a discount so that you can
um so that you can scale it up faster.
Uh so that you can get the money in
ahead of time so that you can produce it
all all in one go rather than doing a
small production run and then selling
that and then using that cash to buy
twice as many and then selling that and
then using that cash to buy twice as
many which is like a many monthsl long
process.
Yeah, like I'm going through the
technology section on Kickstarter right
now. I'm
>> Yeah, bring it up. Let's see.
>> I don't
>> I can see your screen share.
>> Oh, really? Cool. There's like a calima.
>> What's a calima?
>> It's a musical. You You push down the
like metal prong.
>> It goes.
>> Yeah. Um
>> Okay.
>> So, okay. There's a 3D printing modular
arm system.
>> Neat. I mean, I'm assuming you're just
>> I want to see the kale limba actually
>> cuz it looks like an electronic calimbo.
>> It is
>> sick.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. That raised half a million USD.
>> But are like is Lionus Tech Tips going
to make a video about an electronic
Calima? Probably not. Heck no.
>> So that's not it's not really like topic
relevant for for us. Um
>> if it makes Dan happy, it's relevant for
us. Luke, come on. Is that a granular
delay? What what is all this cool audio
crap on on
>> It seems like there's a decent amount of
interesting uh audio stuff. Floor
washing robot. Um
I don't know, man.
>> Wow. A table
>> RC tank. Like a lot of this isn't stuff
that I would see and be like, "Oh, yeah.
Kick farted. Cool. May maybe some AI
glasses." This all looks like relatively
competent,
>> but then there's so many AI glasses
coming out that I feel like we'd be
better off just making videos about AI
glasses in general. Yeah. Like it it
doesn't really scream that it needs a
kick farted. There's a keyboard.
>> Look at this lens. That is comical
sticking off of that phone.
>> Lens. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> So, it's just like ah I don't know, man.
I don't see Kickfarter making sense
here. Mick Bane says, "Uh, LMG doesn't
need Kickstarter, just use pre-orders."
So, pre-orders have always been kind of
an uncomfortable thing for me. And
>> isn't it kind of the same deal?
>> Oh, it's totally the same deal, but
we've we've always shied away from it.
Like, if you recall, like even the
screwdriver in the backpack where we
made major bets, we we basically were
like, "You should never pre-order." Um,
you know, I don't know for sure that
you'll like it. you should wait for
third party, you know, uh, evaluations.
Um, at this point, I am I am starting to
recognize that at the scale that we're
operating at and at the experience that
our team has, um, I'm a lot more
confident
taking people's money ahead of time for
something that is on track, that is is
hitting all of its milestones. Um, and
the project, which is no, is not the
battery bank. It's actually a different
one. The project is coming along really,
really well to the point where
if I know that this thing is going to
absolutely be super super exciting for
people and they're going to absolutely
freaking love it. And if there's some
something else that we could do uh or
even nothing else that we could do. I
was thinking like we could do like a
satisfaction guaranteed uh policy or
something like that. But I I don't think
for sanitary reasons this would be a
good product for us to take a bunch of
returns for anyway. Uh so that could get
complicated. I don't know. I'll have to
think about it some more.
>> Interesting question from McBain. Why
not enable pre-orders for the cables?
>> You've already shipped a ton.
>> Okay. All right. Yeah. And you know
what? I could do that. I could I could
take realistically I could probably have
like millions of dollars sitting in the
LMG coffers right now who want to wait
for a cable. But riddle me this right
right now. McBain, you're probably a
little irritated that you'd like to buy
this cable and you can't get it.
>> But what if it takes 6 months?
>> What if I had your money
then? and how irritated are you?
And that's always that's always been the
challenge for me. Like we're our
manufact
is is completely beyond the expectations
that we had and that they had. Um
and so I don't know
I like we're we're in uncharted
territory here. I don't know how long
it's going to take us to to be able to
meet the demand that is there for these
these freaking cables. And so I um
I don't know how to I don't know man.
Yeah. So, so it comes back to me saying
the same taking the same principled
stance I had before, which is I really
don't want to have your money and be in
a position where, you know,
there could be a mismatch between what
I'm promising and what you're expecting
both in terms of timeline and in terms
of of product quality, right? So, I uh
Yeah. And and someone had a good
suggestion. Uh I I missed whose uh I
missed the username for it, but it was
um
uh you know, you could just take like a
little bit of pre-order. What about a
little bit of pre-order? So, we actually
did that. Uh remember when there was
like a second wave that like went up for
sale? That was someone else in the
company making a decision that we were
going to take pre-orders on the cables
we were going to make out of the extra
cable stock that we had that was like
sitting staged ready to go.
people still lost their minds waiting
for those and it causes a whole bunch of
tickets to customer service who
otherwise just wouldn't have to deal
with that. And and what I said when I
was kind of lecturing not one person but
like the team that made that decision on
like why I had decided we weren't going
to do that was guys
why did we make this decision? Did it
lead to a better experience for our
customer? Yes or no?
>> Is it just a communications problem? Um,
>> yeah. Well, that's part of it, but
communication's hard. You can put as
much communication on a web page as you
want. People won't read it. It doesn't
matter. So, so did this make did this
make the experience better for our
customer? Yes or no? It no or neutral
basically was the response. I'm like,
okay, did this make us more money?
Right? Like that motivates businesses,
right? Businesses make decisions to make
more money. And the answer again is no
because we were going to sell those
cables the second that they reached our
dock regardless of whether we took
people's money ahead of time or whether
we take people's money when they arrive.
So again, the answer is no. So all we're
doing is we're putting a little bit of
cash in our bank account from our
customers today and we're holding it. So
why don't we let them keep it?
Um,
>> is it a communication thing because the
backpacks I I don't I don't remember if
people were upset or not, but it as the
waves went on.
>> Yeah.
>> We would just tell people the estimated
shipping time. Uh, from from my
interpretation of the story that you
just told is we didn't tell people that
there would be a different shipping
time. Um,
>> um, we did, but maybe we could have done
it like even more in your face. Um,
>> but even then, you know, you still get
even with the wave system, we still had
people who were upset about that like
and who just felt it was really
ridiculous. I get that. I get that. Um,
and so I've just I've always had uh, you
know, sitting next to shout out Corbin
from NCIX. All right. I I I worked in
customer service sometimes in the early
days, not because it was necessarily in
my job description, but because when we
had like holiday rushes and and big sale
events or big launches and stuff like
that, uh customer service would get
overwhelmed and they would just kind of
call on random people who knew our
system well enough and were technical
enough and I happened to be one of them.
So, you know, sometimes I would work in
customer service and I would I I would
sit there. I'd sit in the bullpen and,
you know, I'd hear the exasperated voice
of Mr. Corbin uh explaining to someone
for the for the for the 13th time on
this call that, hey, when you ordered
this, it said ships in 7 8 to 11 days,
or you know, whatever. It says special
order ships in 8 to 11 days. uh we
shipped it on the 10th day. Shipping's
not magic. It's still going to be a
little while. That doesn't mean
delivered in that number of days. And
the site was so clear. It said ships in
or like like whatever whatever the word
was. Um but people they they don't they
don't read and now that's customer
services problem and it causes it causes
stress and frustration. And what if we
just avoided all of that?
>> I I don't want to out the company, but I
had a I I bought a thing. I was going to
say recently. It's not even recently
anymore. Uh, a while ago and I was
emailing them monthly asking for updates
because they weren't giving me any
updates and their their website didn't
say anything about delays or anything. I
think it might have said I I ended up
looking at their website and I couldn't
find it, but I think at the time that I
ordered it, it might have said that it
might take a month. Uh, and we we passed
the 3month point of again, they never
sent any form of update. I kept reaching
out to them. Um, and they they emailed
back I think it was like yesterday or
something and we're like, "Yeah,
>> really?" Oh, this is like right now.
>> Yeah. They're like, "Yeah, we're
shipping we're shipping it Monday." I'm
like, "Cool. Thanks." It's been it's by
the time it gets here, it will have been
like three and a half months for one
thing. That didn't warn me of that at
all. It's very annoying at this point.
It's a It's I think it's the longest
I've
waited for something that I've ordered
that didn't have like a very specific,
you know, this product is not ready yet.
It will release at whatever time. Cuz
there are there are definitely things
that um
I'm trying to think. Um
you know, like a shirt that was made for
some event that
>> it's a Trump phone, right?
>> But Oh my goodness. No, it's not a Trump
phone. Um it's f equipment. I just don't
want to call out the brand because like
>> equipment,
>> whatever.
>> Uh, what are we supposed to be doing
right now? Oh my gosh, was that one
comm.
>> Okay, hit me with another Dan.
>> Sure. Um, I am looking this year to
upgrade my TV from a 77in OLED to
something in the 98 to 100 in range.
Currently looking at the TCL X11L
or wait for what Sony True RGB brings.
Uh, will I regret going away from OLED?
>> Okay, so you're clearly a mad baller
because you're upgrading a 77 in OLED.
So,
>> honestly, the biggest thing that that's
piqued my interest on that is you have
the throw distance for this to make any
sense.
>> Yeah. First up, congratulations. Um, TV.
>> You have you have achieved
much and uh and my and hats off to you.
Um, second of all,
right now is kind of we're I hate to be
that guy, right? Because I think that
for for a long time I have beat the drum
of if you wait if you're always waiting
for the next thing, then you will never
just get to enjoy anything because
you'll always be waiting for the one
that's right around the corner that's
better, right? Um, however, the time is
now May, which is exactly when the new
models are starting to trickle into
stores that were like first unveiled at
CES this year. Um, and as we head into
back to school and especially Black
Friday,
there will be deals. Now, as someone
who's upgrading a 77in OLED, you sound
like you might be the sort of person who
doesn't care about getting a deal.
If that's the case, I haven't actually
tried the X11L series yet. What I have
done is I have used TCL's like last last
generation kind of similar class of TV
in the form of the that 115 in that is
still in my theater room in spite of
everything else that exists. And TCL at
their very high end makes a very fine
TV. I haven't seen the X11L yet. I I'm
hoping to soon. The other thing that
I'll say, and this is probably going to
complicate your decision more than help
it, is that I have seen Sony's RGB back
lit LED um LCDs, and they are
absolute fire. They are
so cool. Um, it was in a pretty
controlled environment and I didn't
actually get a chance to look side by
side with an OLED.
Oh, actually uh Oh, yeah. No, I didn't
get a chance to look side by side with
an OLED. But if I was a betting man and
I didn't have a budget, which you might
not, uh, I would say that True RGB is
going to be pretty killer. And take this
all for what it is, right? like Sony
sponsored our trip to go check it out.
So, full disclosure, everything. Um, and
you know, we saw it within the confines
of of their controlled environment. So,
take that all for what it is. Uh, but it
looks really good. It looks really,
really good.
>> Okay, moving on to some more topics.
>> All right, Luke, do you want to pick one
or two?
>> Sure. Let's see what we got here.
Oh, yeah. Let's go over this
charade. Um,
>> yeah. Oh, I knew it. I knew it. I was
hoping you were going to pick that.
Nice.
>> Yeah. GameStop offers 56 billion
in value for eBay, but struggles to
explain how it'll
gather up all that value. Uh, on May
4th, GameStop, because they try to use
the force to make this happen, I I don't
know. Whatever. Uh GameStop made an
entirely unsolicited $56 billion offer
to buy eBay at $125 a share. The offer
letter stipulated that the amount would
be paid half in cash, half in GameStop
stock. GameStop's operational/ strategic
plan was that its roughly 1,600 US
retail stores would become eBay drop off
intake, fulfillment, and live commerce
hubs, which actually sounds kind of
smart. uh with CEO Ryan Cohen promising
$2 billion a year in cost cuts,
including $1.2 billion from eBay's
marketing budget alone. The bid seemed
weird because the market valuation of
GameStop is around 11 billion, while
eBay is roughly worth $48 billion.
>> Is this is this like me um you know,
offering to uh I've got my uh I've got
my Floatplane shirt on here. Okay. Is
this like me offering to buy YouTube?
You know,
>> uh,
>> like this isn't even a merger.
>> The scale isn't even close to be honest.
>> This, but you get what I mean, right?
Like they're a lot closer, but
>> they're the smaller company and they're
not even offering a merger of peers.
They're like, "We're going to acquire."
What are you even talking about? Anyway,
sorry. Flow plane trying to buy
YouTube's toe. Um,
yeah. I mean, there's a lot of funny
stuff with this. I I think it's
literally just a stunt, but we'll we'll
we'll get into that. Uh about
>> Why do you Why Why can't Why are you
feel so compelled to spoil the
punchlines for things, Luke? I can't
help.
>> But there's so many good reasons why,
and people got to absorb it as we go
through. About 9 billion of the Which
has me interested in if GameStop's
valuation includes their cash. But
anyways, about 9 billion of the cash for
the offer would come from GameStop's War
Chest with the rest being raised through
a debt instrument from TD Securities.
Uh, a subsidiary of TD Bank provided a
highly confident letter
indicating a potential commitment to
provide approximately 20 billion of the
cash. Um, half of the offer in debt
financing.
What? Okay, I'm a little bit lost here.
But anyways, um yeah, it's it feels like
Sam Alman being like, "Yeah, I'll buy
all the RAM." It's like that level of
like I don't I don't think they actually
technically have to do it, but they've
said that they probably will. Um, Cohen
went on CNBC's Squawkbox where the hosts
flagged that the value of all of
GameStop's stock is just over 11 billion
and half of the stock um half of the
stock, half of the acquisition offer
about 28 billion stock. Yeah,
>> basically there isn't enough equity or
enough cash to make this make sense. And
half stock half cash also doesn't really
make any sense. And if we go check out
uh GameStop stock and we look at the
last five days, I mean, it even went
down.
>> So, it's worth less today than it was uh
when
>> a month it's it's up. Yeah, it's down 4%
because because people saw this and were
like, yikes. Uh which is kind of funny.
Um
>> yeah, the the the the CEO apparently
just kept on saying when asked like,
"How does this make any sense?" like
where are you getting all that value
from? He just kept saying uh half cash,
half stock. Uh and then saying it's on
the website. Go check it out there. It
it it gets explained on the website. Um
yeah, amazing.
>> I missed this part. He eventually told
the host, I don't understand your
question. It's like, dude,
okay, sorry, carry on. He was framing
the I don't understand your question as
if there was enough stock and cash
available. Therefore, the question
didn't make any sense, but clearly there
isn't. Um, fantastic. Morgan Stanley
analyst then piled on with a research
note calling GameStop and eBay
fundamentally different businesses with
no real overlap and noted that if the
deal somehow closed, it would be the
largest leveraged buyout in history.
Then on May 6, Cohen created a new eBay.
This is my favorite part. He created a
Cohen, the CEO of GameStop, created a
new eBay account under the username
Ryan5050.
You know, 50 cash, 50 stock. Um,
presumably a nod Oh, yep, there it is.
Presumably a nod to the halfcash, half
stock split. And they started listing
personal items in his words to help fund
the eBay acquisition. uh including if I
remember correctly some socks and and
other things. Um Frank Sedali
Safali, I don't know. um of the Video
Game History Foundation, then flagged on
Blue Sky, that several of Cohen's
listings appeared to come from the the
Game Informer vault, which housed
decades of rare gaming memorabilia that
GameStop kept after shutting the Game
Informer magazine down.
>> Okay. Yikes.
>> Uh then late that same night, eBay
suspended Cohen's account, citing
concerns that his activity um was was
putting the eBay community at risk. As
far as my understanding goes, they have
reinstated his account. I don't think
that's in here. Um, analysts have
pointed out that the whole thing likely
comes down to Ryan Cohen trying to
trigger a performance gate in his
compensation package, which would unlock
35 billion in potential stock options if
he increases the company's market value
to hundred billion and achieves 10
billion in cumulative ebida.
You know what's funny is that is so much
better analysis, I guess, of what he's
doing. See, I thought this was as simple
as GameStop hasn't been in headlines
enough lately. I need GameStop in the
headlines so that people like pump it as
a meme stock again. I like I was
thinking like 3D chess. That's like
that's like 4 D chess. So if I need to
reach a revenue target,
>> I just go out and I borrow enough money
to buy a company that already has that
much revenue.
>> It's brilliant.
>> I don't think I think if anything
leaking that like that was the goal
might have been part of the 3D chess
because I don't think this was ever
going to happen. Um,
>> well, no, it was it was never going to
happen. But like maybe he is del I mean
we have no idea how much ketamine the
average CEO is on, right? So like maybe
in his mind this is serious.
>> You should just you should cold call
Taran and ask him.
>> Oh, hey Lionus. You need a plug or what?
>> We're we're concerned that you're not
taking enough ketamine. Um,
>> all right. I'll ask him. We're We're
looking at We're looking at LMG's
trajectory and we're thinking you might
need to take more ketamine.
>> I I forgot where I worked and that he
would actually do that.
>> Oh, I I I knew he was going to do it.
>> What have I done?
>> Hey, how's it going?
>> Uh, hey, you're live on the WAN Show.
Hold on. I'm just trying to figure out
where the speaker hole on my phone is
here. Uh, can can you guys hear him?
Okay.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah, he's coming through.
>> Okay, you guys got him. Um, so we're
just having a a conversation right now
um about sort of like CEOs and and their
typical ketamine consumption and we were
just wondering like
>> how much ketamine do you consume?
>> I've had no ketamine so far. I have
asked doctors for ketamine and they said
no.
>> Really? What did they explain why they
said no? I mean I if this is getting too
personal then feel free to to to nope
out but like I I
>> like is this for recreational use or is
there a medical condition? I'm like
recreational and then that's when they
hang on.
>> Okay. All right. Understood. Um that's
actually really Oh, you know what?
Chad's got a question for you. Um Denrix
asks, "Did you tell them that you've
been diagnosed with CEO?"
>> Oh, no, I haven't. Is Is that a Is that
a real condition? Well, that's what we
think because because of how how how
people are CEOs and are being treated
with ketamine, we assume that that was a
causation relationship rather than just
a correlation.
>> Can I ask can I ask questions as well?
>> Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. This is an
open This is a safe space.
>> Oh, when I when I'm at work, does it
seem like I'm under the influence?
>> Um,
thank you everyone. Uh Taran Taran Tong,
CEO of Linus Media Group. Bye Taran. Uh
I'll see you next week. Um wow, what a
great what a great conversation. That
was tremendous. Uh should we go ahead
and maybe do whatever it is that Dan
wants us to do?
>> Dan is currently flagging two more.
>> Let's
>> Dan is currently flagging two more
topics.
>> Yeah, let's let's do some more topics.
>> We can do this other weird one. This is
Good news show. Toyota built a10 billion
private utopia tech city. Last week, RS
Technica got an inside tour of Toyota's
woven city. The 10 billion dollar
private city of the future sounds very
Disney. The company has been in Japan
has built in Japan. Yeah, there we go.
That makes a lot more sense. Uh and the
picture they painted was a mix uh was
mixed at best. So, Toyota chairman Akio
Toyota uh first announced Woven City at
CES 2020 as part of a pivot from car
maker to mobility company and the first
100 residents handpicked alpha testers
that Toyota calls Weavers moved in 6
months ago. Despite the city branding,
only about 10% of the planned 175 acre
site is actually built so far, although
these things take time. residents act as
alpha and beta testers for a rotating
slate of Toyota tech. Interesting.
Toyota's stated rationale for the heavy
surveillance is
>> yeah, this is where things get a little
dystopian.
>> The with the woven city
telling ours uh that onboard car sensors
can't reliably spot a kid darting out
from behind a truck. So, street level
cameras everywhere is part of how Toyota
plans to hit its zero accidents goal.
In practice, the camera density is
striking with ours counting eight at a
single intersection and a halfozen even
in small coffee shops, all feeding into
Toyota's AI vision engine, which can
track people across cameras based on
their clothing. Toyota built a cons a
consent system called data fabric that
lets residents opt in or out per service
and 98% of weavers
I'm paraphrasing because they were
handpicked have agreed to camera
equipped robots in their apartments.
>> I guess we all have robot vacuums. Not
all of us, but a lot of people do.
Mine's been broken for a year, but it is
what it is. Uh, the company's longerterm
plan is to refine the AI vision engine
inside Woven City and then sell it to
actual municipalities.
Toyota also confirmed that chairman AO
Toyota has been uploaded
to the city's cloud as AO Toyota AI,
a chatbot trained on a decade of his
speeches and writings. Really?
Wow.
>> I think this has got to be
>> Wow.
>> We have no idea what to spend our
copious amounts of money on.
>> Wow.
>> So,
let's do this. And this is coming from
someone who just attended an event that
was held in
an abandoned
power plant because a billionaire
saw that it was like kind of an eyes
sore for his neighbors and decided to
buy it to turn it into a park.
>> Wow. Very nice.
>> Yeah. This is like this is actually peak
my my my steak is too juicy. My my
family is too perfect. My money my money
bushels are overflowing. I simply have
no idea what to do with it. This is like
you know
might be a lot of what what was the
Disney thing? What was the Disney thing?
The like city Disney city thing. Oh, the
town of tomorrow, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Disney.
>> This feels like like modern that Epcot.
>> That's the one.
>> Epcot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Did Epcot have like insane surveillance?
>> I don't know if I don't know if our
corporate overlords had imagined that
yet
>> cuz this to me feels like I know what
you're saying. We don't know what to
spend our money on. I I don't think
that's true at all. To be honest, I I
don't get that read from this in the
slightest. Really?
>> No, not even a little bit. I get flock
from this. I get uh Toyota attempting to
make technology to sell the governments,
which is literally what they're saying.
They're planning on selling this to
municipalities. Uh they want to be
flock. They want to have AI enabled
cameras all over the place tracking
everyone, measuring everything, and then
selling it to governments and probably
also companies for advertisement and
everything else. I this Yeah, I I don't
get the same read as you on this. So, so
basically it sounds like because we're
neither of us is what they're saying
it's for. They're saying it's for, you
know, connected cities for like, you
know, reducing
>> No, they're saying it's for what I said.
>> Well, no. I mean, they didn't say
anything about crime. They said, you
know, like car accidents, basically.
>> Yeah. But they said they're going to
sell it to municipalities.
>> No, no, I I No, I got that part. But
like flock is is uh is is for
surveillance and and like uh suspect
tracking.
>> Sell it to municipalities. What are you
going to use for?
>> No, no, I know. I know. But the part is
that I said they didn't say that though.
They did. So they haven't said the quiet
part out loud. What they're saying is
we're a mobility company and this is
about mobility and making it like so
that every car it has a brain on board
it that is being fed data from these AI
enabled cameras so that it would never
like accidentally hit a kid who's like
darting out from between two cars or you
know chasing a ball or whatever. Um, so
your theory then is that whether Toyota
intends it or not, this will be this
will be sold as a as a as just a mass
surveillance tool.
>> Yeah. I mean, cuz it the the whole cars
angle doesn't make sense when there's
cameras inside of coffee shops and
inside of your home. So, I I read the RS
article and um they go into a little bit
more depth about how, you know, Toyota's
culture and Japanese culture and and
like privacy are are sort of really
central to this and what their plan is
for anonymizing things. Like that's
that's part of why the individual
tracking is based on the clothing that
you're wearing. It does not use facial
identification, for instance. However, I
think that anyone as technical as
anybody at Toyota working on this
project or anyone from ours Technica or
anyone in our audience is going to know
that there's it's like just because
you're not using facial tracking doesn't
mean that you can't pin this down to an
individual, especially if you've got a
large enough set of data monitoring like
a fixed number of local residents,
right? Like whether we're talking about
the outfits that they normally wear or
whether we're talking about gate
analysis, looking at how they walk,
right? Like it's um
>> there's a lot of ways like an actually
pretty wild amount of ways to identify
people.
>> Tell me this.
Okay, this is a hypothetical to be very
very clear. Tell me this. If Toyota
could solve privacy for this,
if their pitch that this is a mobility
solution that does not store in any
accessible way, this is a huge if, I
know, does not store in any accessible
way personally identifiable information.
And it is purely a machine vision system
that sends feedback to to cars and bikes
and and these like smart equipped
vehicles to prevent accidents. Is this
something that you could see having any
kind of future?
>> I'm I'm going to be I need to understand
I know I'm gonna be super annoying for a
second.
One thing is you said they if even if
they don't store the data and stuff the
problem is there's other types of
attacks. So like it will be a privacy
nightmare because everything
>> if they could solve it if if
>> I know
>> this is an if.
>> But the problem is that if is
impossible. I know but try to try try
try to try to play
>> if it is the world's perfect uh given by
some dity not of the earth um data
that's what we're assuming that is
completely unhackable that is completely
literally
>> impossible then yeah I mean I don't I
don't know if I really care um
>> well for me
>> if it can never be if it is completely
uncorruptible and is only ever used for
good and is completely unhackable, then
it's like, okay,
>> so I'm actually going to argue against
my point now.
>> Okay.
>> And I'm going to say it has no future
because then nobody would want it. It
would be too expensive to implement
purely to save a handful of lives. I
mean, think about how many intersections
you drive through in a typical city that
obviously need better signage, but
because that would cost a few hundred,
it's not going to get implemented. So
this as like Toyota imagining this
mobility future where everything every
object in a city is tracked. I think
even if they could solve it but this is
why I wanted to have the conversation
right because you know it has to kind of
boil down to like
>> if their pitch is right is there a
future and I still think the answer is
no.
>> Yeah. Yeah. because
>> I'd love to be wrong
>> and and
you know people people can say what they
want but ultimately when it comes down
to municipal budgets um
what are people going to vote for? I
mean uh looking at like Langley right
now for example
we're we're we're doing some weird
stuff.
>> Hey Luke. Okay, hold on a second though.
Hold on.
>> Yeah,
>> hold on. Let's um let's back up a little
bit here because I actually might be
about to argue against myself again.
>> That's fun.
>> What if we what if we didn't do this
with cameras?
>> Like what if we could do this with a
point cloud device? Like what if we
could do this with LAR? You'd still be
able to Oh, man. No. Because you'd still
be able to see a blob coming out of this
square blob at this time every day and
going to the other square blob at that
time every day. Yeah, never mind. I
talked myself out of it again.
Because like to to me like the you know
the cameras and the data analysis and no
matter how much computed, no matter how
cheap cameras are going to get, they're
always they're always going to have some
cost.
>> You also just can't get around it. Like
if if surveillance is being done, it it
can be hacked and it you know on a
technical level it can be hacked. On a
social level it will almost certainly be
corrupted. There's like there's every
example of, you know, police officers
using tracking equipment to track their
girlfriends to see if they're cheating
or or or yeah, following ex-girlfriends
and ex-wives and whatnot. There's
there's every example of all these
different things where if it if it's a
social system, it can and almost
certainly will be corrupted. And if it's
a technical system, it can be hacked.
And those things just like seem to
effectively be laws of the universe. So,
it's tough when you have a system like
this because you just know both of those
things are true. I'm going to throw
another wrench into the gears. Yet
another wrench because I just I think
this is just a really interesting
conversation. Uh it's not interesting
enough for me to have spent my $10
billion to, you know, prove that it's
not going to work or whatever. I'm But
I'm glad Toyota did it because
>> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Um, I I I I have a 10
billion offer, $10 billion offer in to
buy the city. All they need is a $10
billion loan. But but TD TD seems like
their game for this sort of thing. So,
uh,
>> they totally totally do it.
>> Um, so yeah, let me let me throw this
out and go, okay, but hear me out. As
our methods for tracking these things
get more and more ubiquitous and more
and more precise and more and more
absolutely everybody has them on their
person at any given moment.
How different would the point cloud
system be? I think you can make a strong
you can make a strong argument that the
camera system is is different,
>> but like it how different would it be?
>> Hit me up.
>> I mean, that's already a problem, right?
I I think we talked on a fairly recent
WAN Show about a crime scene where
Google got what is the right term for
it, subpoenaed or something. Uh for
information on what devices were in the
area at the time in this like big
window. Um,
>> so they were poking around in the phones
of people and we know from
>> there was no reason to suspect them.
>> We know from the Snowden era, I don't
know if he's still doing public stuff,
uh, but we know from when he was like a
a big deal in the news um that when when
he was roaming around, you know, he's
throwing phones in in uh freezers and
stuff like that to try to Faraday cage
them um because they were already a
problem. So, it's like it's it yeah, I
mean, that's definitely part of it, but
it's I don't know, adding more fuel to
the fire because the phones aren't
perfect. You could decide to leave it at
home. Um I remember when we talked about
that story of the Yeah, someone said
geofencing warrant. When we talked about
the story of the geoencing warrant, it
was kind of like astonishing to me that
you would bring your cell phone to a
crime scene because it's like, yeah, I
mean, you can obviously be tracked. What
are you doing? Um
>> well, that's the thing with criminals,
Luke. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um,
so yeah, it's tough. It's tough. It's
also
ultimately
our opinion on it isn't really going to
matter, I think. Uh, like every single
person I've ever heard of who has talked
about Flock in any way has been like,
"Wow, this is obviously bad and evil and
a terrible system." Um, and they're all
over the place. So,
I don't know.
>> All right. Uh, well, it's Good news
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>> All right,
>> some Floatplane announcements. Do we
have any of those? Uh, we probably do. I
assume we do. All right, we got some
Floatplane announcements. We received
an anonymous report that one of the two
Why is when late competitors thinks that
the other is not trying so hard? I
wonder who it could be. I try I try
hard. What do you mean? What do you mean
you don't think I'm trying hard?
>> Nope.
>> So,
>> I think you try hard to cheat. I think
you try hard to push Sammy to cheat for
you.
>> No, I actually I actually don't. Um, so
to spice it up, Luke promised that if
this week's why is Wan late video got
2,000 likes, he will ride a unicycle to
Wan. To answer the question once and for
all, what is easier? Lionus getting to
set on time or Luke learning to ride a
unicircle unic unicycle to get to the
WAN Show,
>> which I cannot do.
Yeah, I will not succeed at
>> I I don't know if you will ever be able
to do that. No offense, but not with
that mindset.
>> You're not like
>> I don't think I have the
very topheavy.
>> Yeah.
>> Um I I don't mean this in like a I don't
mean this in like an offensive way. I
just mean it in like
>> I just mean it in like an objective
observation way that I I don't you
didn't put that you put a lot of points
in strength and not that many in
dexterity like you got some in there
>> I think
>> but like unicycle dexterity
>> for explorer of a person
>> yeah I'm not sure I'm not sure
>> uh explorer please excursion is more
like it
>> uh okay in other news
>> I don't think that's quite accurate to
be completely honest but An excursion's
not a That's not That's a powerful
vehicle, sir.
>> No, I just Does it tip over when you
turn around a corner?
>> Uh,
okay. You know what? That's fair. Uh,
map in Floatplane chat says, "Unicycle
not that hard to learn." And Charcoal
says he has to ride a unicycle, not ride
it. Well,
>> I haven't even been on a bike in many
years. Apparently, I I read this online,
so take it with a grain of salt. You
don't forget.
>> Well,
>> like a unicycle, but he never learned a
unicycle.
>> No, he he he said he hasn't ridden a
bicycle in a long time.
>> Oh, well, yeah. Thank you, Dan. That's
very helpful.
>> You're welcome. I appreciate your
compliment.
>> Uh, yeah. Okay,
so this will be interesting. We also
have Wait, how many likes is the video
at now?
Oh my goodness. It's at 1,400 likes with
zero dislikes.
>> Yeah. For
>> it's it got it it got like 16 likes in
the time it took me to refresh this
page.
>> Yeah. You can be the first one to
dislike it.
>> Uh no, I'm going to like it right now.
Okay. Now it has 1461. Hold on. I'm
going to refresh it again from your
account cuz it's the same account.
>> You didn't. How dare you? How dare you?
I was the first person to download it.
Let's go.
>> I would I would unbelievable. Let's go.
>> All right. Uh Luca, you'll have to do
screen cap for this. Uh in other news,
we also have badges now. Designed by the
one and only Ashley from the Creator
Warehouse team. Floatplane now supports
badges so you can flex your vanity
cosmetics. Right now, we only have
length of active subscription, but we're
looking to add more cool things like if
you were subscribed during big events
like Scrapyard Wars or what tier of sub
you're on and even badges to rec to
recognize super active members of the
community. We should make it a crystal.
It should just be Dan, can you send that
over to Ashley? It should just be like a
gem because I don't I can't think of a
more ludicrously oh my god get a life
active member of our community than
Crystal Fier8. Don't take this the wrong
way Crystal just
wow. Um
anywh who uh some badges can be added
retroactively so be sure to join. If you
have some suggestions you can go ahead
leave them in the comments. Um someone
said Langley House cats and the vessel
logo for OG. So, yeah, we're definitely
working on some stuff.
Crystal, I don't I don't I don't mean
this I don't I don't mean this in in any
way other than you spend a lot of your
life on LMG. It's great. I'll see you at
the next I'll see you at the next whale.
Uh, we also have a video of the damage
that Sammy did to that monitor that he
brought on to WAN Show last week. U, I
don't know if Luke is launching that or
if it's already launched. And we promise
to improve Floatplane and we're looking
to provide more benefits for subscribers
at LMG.gg/flatlane.
So now is a great time to join. Can't
wait to see you there. All right.
PK7 says, "Get a life respectfully, but
we do enjoy having you here for real."
Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's great. It's
great. No, I mean, we do. We do. We We
enjoy Crystal's company. We legitimately
do.
>> Oh my goodness. Okay. Well, no, no, no.
I found I I'm ignoring you entirely. I
found the part of the video where the
monitor gets impaled.
>> Ashley is very confused.
>> What What exactly am I messaging? Just
just the the one for for engagement for
like hyper engagement. It should be like
a a gem. It should be it should be a
crystal.
>> Do we have more than one Ashley?
>> Uh yeah, Ashley W. We we actually have
Yeah, we definitely
>> Ashley.
>> Way to go. Way to go, Dan. That moment
when you really do need a company
directory because it has gotten to a
point where you can't know everybody.
>> Didn't check.
>> Yeah. Don't you actually didn't you like
work on it?
>> Yeah, sort of.
>> Dan, what the heck?
>> I don't update it. That's That's HR
doesn't maintain it.
>> Okay. All right. That's good. Love it.
Um Oh, hey. Uh Polar Eiz asks, "Are you
guys participating in the Boink
Pentathlon?" I haven't put anything into
it yet other than some prizing. So Chewy
messaged me earlier this week and he was
all like, "Hey, you mentioned on Wan
Show that you like want to do prizing
for Boink Pentathon?" And I was like,
"Yeah, sure. Can we do that?" And he was
like, "Okay, are you good with $1,000
worth of LT store gift cards?" And I was
like, "Sure." So we're doing 10 $100 LT
store gift cards as part of the prizing
for the Boink Pentathlon over on the
linest.com forum. If you don't if you're
not familiar with it, Boink is a
distributed computing project that helps
contribute to science. So, you can use
idle cycles from your computer to help
make the world a better place. It's
pretty cool and you should go check it
out. Maybe Dan could throw a link in the
uh in the video description.
>> Uh yes, sorry, I was just sending a a
group message to all the Ashleys that I
work with.
>> All right, cool. Nice. By the way,
Dbrand sent out a thing during the show.
I think probably when we announced it. I
don't know if they were watching or not,
but I I just noticed this in my email.
Uh
the the subject is now available on a
worse website. And then they have like a
stock going down emoji.
If you open it, it says now available on
ltdstore.com.
you know, without spoiling anything, I
may get my opportunity to to to to to
fire back. Um,
but I'm not going to spoil anything.
>> Oh man,
>> these guys.
>> God, I love Dant. Okay,
>> they're out of control.
>> Completely out of control.
>> Yeah. What's next?
>> All right, let's uh let's have a look
here. Let's have a look here. Uh we kind
of already talked about the Steam
controller being uh sold out after 30
minutes. You can join a queuing system
to make sure Oh, to make sure that you
get one from them at at MSRP rather than
at scalper prices.
>> Scalpers are lame. Don't buy it from
scalpers.
>> The last bit is Valve released the CAD
files for the external shell of the
Steam Controller and the Steam
Controller Puck under a creative common
license, which is super cool. if you for
whatever reason wanted to like make
accessories that it, you know, like a
little cradle for it to sit in or
anything cool like that and you always
love to see it. Okay, this is cool. TCL
um unveiled a 0.01
hertz laptop display earlier this week.
This is so cool. It's designed to extend
battery life by drastically reducing how
often the screen redraws static content.
It was showcased at SID display week in
Los Angeles in a 14in 1920 x 1200
laptop. So, this panel can refresh as
slowly as one frame every 100 seconds,
far below the one herz screens that have
previously been developed by companies
like Intel and LG. The coolest part
though, and this is where it gets real,
is that the display is divided into 12
zones that can independently shift
between 120 Hz and 0.01
hertz, allowing you to have high refresh
rate in areas like an active video
window, while the rest of the screen
remains nearly static, not being
updated.
TCL estimates that the technology or TCL
sees specifically estimates that the
technology can add over an hour of video
playback time and the LCD panel uses the
company's proprietary oxide TFT back
plane. Um our discussion question is is
12 zone refresh switching switching
enough for a seamless UI or will the
lack of granularity cause noticeable
artifacts? I mean, I I think the answer
to that is probably just going to come
down to driver and operating system
management so that you just if you have
a window like an active video window or
something like that that slightly
overlaps one of the control zones, it'll
just activate everything that's around
it. Um, so just yeah, as long as you're
not using the entire screen, there will
be some savings and I'm here for it.
more battery life in devices is like
honestly been like kind of life-changing
over the last couple generations of
laptops for me. Whether I've been using
a MacBook Neo or whether I've been using
uh like a Stricks Halo or uh man like
Panther Lake is freaking incredible for
battery life. I just now that I dock at
work, I just not that kind. Never think
about the battery life of my laptop
pretty much because it'll work for like
an entire weekend without me having
>> You're so distracted talking.
>> Yeah, buddy. I mean,
>> you don't need your laptop battery life
anymore.
>> That's right.
>> Moved on to bigger and better things,
>> especially better. Better is key.
>> Safer, even safe harbor.
Um,
>> that felt wrong. It's sticky.
Jibus.
Uh, hey, why don't we talk about why
don't we talk about something that I
actually missed um last week.
Uh, this was announced uh last week I
believe, but on May 1st,
ask.com
was officially shut down. I know, I know
this is supposed to be good news when
and this is truly tragic, but formerly
Ask Jeieves the butler
is no more. And uh I don't know. I don't
know. This actually this actually kind
of kind of hit me in a uh more than I
expected it to. Like I don't know, Luke,
do you remember the early days of using
search engines? like back when Alta
Vista was king and also Ask Jeieves.
>> I always really like dog pile.
>> Yeah. So, Ask Jeie's claim to fame was
that it was, I believe, the first
natural language search engine because
you know how you can kind of switch you
can put on your like I am an advanced
search wizard hat and you can use like
boolean operators and you can um uh and
you can sort of go into like power user
mode using a search engine uh rather
than just asking it a natural language
question. That was like how they all
just worked back in the day except for
Ask Jeves. They had this this cute
butler mascot and you would just type in
a natural language question and it was
like actually pretty good. Um, little
bit of history in our notes here. It
launched in 1996 out of Berkeley with a
now familiar pitch. Type a full question
in plain English and get an answer. IA
bought it for over a billion dollars in
2005, dropped Jeeves in 2006, rebranding
to ask.com, but never seriously caught
up to Google or even Yahoo despite
multiple relaunches.
Um,
>> dropping the Chiefs was a mistake in my
opinion. I don't think they were ever
going to catch up, but I think they
should have, if they wanted to make uh,
you know, a zone for themselves, they
should have, I think, laid into the Jeve
side of things even more, especially in
a world where like
I feel like one of the things that's
almost
holding back the the relation the the
emotions that people feel towards their
their AI chat bots is the lack of a of a
of an avatar like uh like a Jes. I think
if anything the timing for Jeves could
be better than ever if it was powered by
AI
>> almost agentic search. So you should you
could tell it to go look for something
and it might actually even take a bit
but it goes and like tries to gather
things for you. I
>> even room for it. Yeah.
>> Like it goes and it tries to find you
know the which VPN. Hey Jeeves. Uh,
which regional VPN do I have to use in
order to get the best price on this
ticket? Uh, please make sure you're
using an IP other than mine to search
because like I'm sure you've run into
this loop where the second time you look
at something the price goes up, right?
And it doesn't matter like, you know,
which region you pretend to be from or
like what computer you like somehow they
follow you and they know, oh yeah,
they've looked at it twice, they're
going to book it. Like I'd be I'd be so
down for that.
>> Yeah.
>> Um Bolster says, "You're saying you
don't like Cortana?" No, I mean what I
didn't like about Cortana was that it
was just useless.
>> It just sucked. The honestly the idea I
was really excited when Cortana was
first announced.
>> Yeah, me too.
>> And then it was just terrible. The
problem wasn't the packaging. The
problem was the product. The packaging
was actually fantastic.
>> The little circle was good.
>> The Cortana voice was like obviously
fantastic and then just
garbage product.
>> Yeah, once again just the timing for the
branding and the usefulness of the
product just didn't quite line up.
Okay, this is going to be a
controversial take. Are you ready?
>> No.
What happened to Good News Wow. No, no,
>> it doesn't feel like it's been in full
force this show.
>> The good news. No, no, no. Oh, dude,
there's lots of good news coming.
There's good news. All right. Okay.
>> Nintendo is joining its competition in
raising the price of their consoles.
>> There's lots of good news coming. You'll
pay more for consoles.
>> No, no, this is the good news part. The
good news is that Nintendo is giving
several months of warning before the
change in price goes into effect. So
basically, here's a quote. In light of
changes in market conditions, Nintendo
has revised the MSRP of the Switch 2
around the world and the Switch One
along with playing cards and the
Nintendo online membership in Japan. The
price of the Switch 2 is going to go up
around $50 globally. Uh complete pricing
is in the Nintendo link if you want to
show it.
>> That's a smaller increase than both Sony
and Microsoft put in place for their
2020 hardware. So, like hardware that
theoretically they paid the development
cost on a long time ago.
Outside of Japan though, consumers, even
though it's a $50 increase compared to
the much higher ones from Sony and
Microsoft, consumers will have until
September 1st to buy one at the current
price.
As far as price increases go, giving
people what what do we got here? Yeah,
we've got over 3 months to save up and
buy a Switch 2 if we want it at the
current price. That is I mean, is that
worth nothing? It's not like Nintendo
chose for component costs to go up.
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Why is the
online subscription going up?
Uh,
>> is that I think that's only in Japan,
though, right?
Uh,
>> the say Japan. Yeah, maybe
that doesn't line up though.
Open price.
>> I don't know what open price means.
>> It's one interesting thing from this is
that the European and American pricing
is matching up. Now, the current price
was cheaper in the US by 20 bucks. Um,
and they're now aligning. Canada are,
you know, we still suck, so it is what
it is. Um,
yeah. Interesting.
If they were going to do it, I
appreciate the heads up.
>> Yeah. I mean, that I guess that's that's
that's the most silver lining thing that
I can
>> It's not the silver lining show, Lionus.
>> It's a show.
But the good news is that they gave us
warning and so I need to make sure I
talk about it on WAN Show so that if you
really wanted to switch too then you can
get it now still for the original price
before it goes up. That's the good news
Luke because if we didn't talk about
this and someone got blindsided by it on
September the second that's on us.
>> No,
>> we got to give people a shot.
>> I'm not shouldering that responsibility.
We can't we we got to bring We got to
bring the people We got to bring the
people the news they need to know. Okay,
this is important news cuz like 50 bucks
is 50 bucks is 50 bucks, man.
>> Like
>> if you were going to do it anyway, then
>> if No, I mean, if you were going to buy
one anyway, then I'm sure you'd rather
buy it for $50 less. That's like
>> that's like half a Nintendo game. Dude,
all this informs me is if you were
thinking about selling your Switch 2
that you should wait a little bit.
>> True, true.
>> Yeah,
>> true, true.
>> Do you Is there anything that would
compel you to buy a Switch 2 yet at this
point?
>> I have one.
>> Oh, sorry. Compel you to use it
>> and I'm upset about it. Um, I still
haven't busted out Donkey Kong. Uh, I've
been busy with other things, but that
that
>> Did you buy it though? Like you own it
already? I I bought it mostly for Emma
cuz she was a really big fan of the like
>> um old school Nintendo era Donkey Kong
games.
>> Um
>> but I mean I was I would say I was
interested in it. We my family was real
big into the yellow cartridge Donkey
Kong 64 game.
>> Uh that game was sick, but I didn't
really play many of the other ones. Um
and other than that, I haven't
personally heard of a Nintendo game that
has been super attractive yet. There
hasn't been a
uh
yeah, I don't think so. Modern Pokemon
games are not that interesting to me. I
haven't seen a I I could see a like
Breath of the Wild style Zelda game
coming out and being like, "Nice, I'm
happy." No,
>> the um the conspiracy theory is that
Star Fox was uh or Fox Mc, whatever his
name is, was shoehorned into the uh
Mario Galaxy movie because there's a
game coming ended up being true. So, the
the Star Fox announcement just came out.
>> Oh, I didn't even know that was a thing,
but it just makes sense. Um
>> yeah,
>> I didn't know any part of that story.
Yeah, without people knowing anything
else, just Star Fox being in that movie
was like, "Okay, this is an IP that
Nintendo has not made a game about. Not
made a game with in like a very long
time."
>> Dude, I never played the original Star
Fox, but I I think I would be interested
in picking this up.
>> Um
>> Oh, it looks kind of sweet, actually.
Original Star Star Fox was like
revolutionary
and a game that I just could not get
into. I was a Pilot Wings kid 100%.
>> Yeah.
>> No Star Fox for me.
>> You'd love the new one. The gameplay is
incredibly tight and satisfying. What
have you played it? Have people there
like a
somewhere that you could play this?
Wait,
it's a Star Fox 64 remake.
>> Remake.
>> Oh,
>> that's honestly disappointing.
>> Okay.
>> Oh, no. Nintendo says it's based on the
classic.
Hold on a second. Oh, wait. based on the
classic space shooter Star Fox 64, but
with redesigned characters and upgraded
visuals.
All righty then. Well, that was a cool
conversation while it lasted. All right.
>> So, this went from that makes me excited
to have had a switch to to considering
it's probably going to be full fat price
or close.
>> I'm going to do better. I'm going to do
better.
>> All right.
>> On Monday,
BlackBerry's stock jumped 13%.
Yes, that BlackBerry,
>> is it still a Canadian company?
>> Yes.
>> Really?
>> 13% in pre-market trading after a Wall
Street Journal feature reminded everyone
that BlackBerry, a decade after ditching
phones, does in fact still exist and is
profitable again. What
>> the driver of the new profit, pun
intended, is QNX, a real-time operating
system that BlackBerry acquired in 2010
that uh I was reading a couple articles
about this. I kind of went down the
rabbit hole cuz I was like, "What?" So
that BlackBerry acquired in 2010 and
that just was like kind of quietly doing
their own thing, being mostly ignored by
BlackBerry, but that now accounts for
about half of the company's revenue and
is embedded in roughly 275 million cars
on the road today. So this is separate
from the like you know Android
Automotive or like whatever operating
system
interface with in your car. This is
running things like collision warnings,
blind spot monitoring. So like when when
the LED lights up on your mirror,
>> QNX is doing that, adaptive cruise,
>> lane keep assist. um they they knew they
were going to lose the infotainment war
like a decade ago, so they've pivoted
deeper and deeper into like real time
safety critical features.
>> Yeah. Sweet.
>> Um BlackBerry's Q4 revenue, and this
blew my mind, hit $156 million, up 10%
year-over-year with QNX itself bringing
in 78.7 million, up 20%. Um although it
is worth noting that the stock is still
down about 96% from its 2008 peak uh
when it topped 83 billion.
>> They're on top of the world. That's kind
of whatever.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But
still
>> interesting.
>> I mean that's pretty cool. What a
turnaround story. The fact that they are
making money again is pretty
>> What is the rest of their money? Where
are they making the rest of the 70
whatever million dollars?
>> Uh I don't know. For a while they were
in like secure messaging. Um,
>> they still have secure communications.
Okay.
>> Yeah. All I really cared about was this
QX thing and like, sorry, who are these
guys? Where did this come from? How is
this worth $78.7
million a quarter? Yeah, it just blew my
mind.
>> Yeah, they do like sovereign onrem
infrastructure for like governments,
NATO stuff.
Yeah. Okay. I mean, Blackberry was known
for that. They were known for security.
>> Yeah.
>> Um All right.
>> And I just I thought I thought it was
pretty cool that Blackberry's back,
baby. More like Backberry.
>> Okay. I got another one. I got another
one you're going to like. Uh a
scientific team in China mounted a
prototype 10 megawatt nuclear power unit
to a truck.
This thing is designed to act as a
portable power bank. that is expected to
last
>> several decades without requiring a
recharge.
>> So to put it in context, 10 megawatt is
about the power of a medium-sized AI
data center. And this could be just like
on the back of a truck. Uh applications
include,
>> sorry,
>> pretty wild. Yeah. Applications include
powering remote regions, emergency power
restoration during disasters, and
propelling maritime vehicles.
Imagine that for a second, Luke. We have
nuclear sub at home.
Like, what are you kidding me?
Uh the team has spoken uh about similar
systems for use at the microwatt level
for healthcare applications like
pacemakers. Oh, apparently they're also
being considered for space systems.
There is growing private interest in
nuclear with Amazon investing in modular
reactors while Google builds a small
reactor in Tennessee. Amazon, Google
Meta, and Microsoft have all joined the
World Nuclear Association. I could see
that being a really cool outcome of the
AI boom and crash is if all these tech
companies use all of their buckets and
buckets and buckets of money to build a
bunch of clean nuclear power and then
the market crashes and they don't need
it anymore and then we would just have a
lot of really clean power
infrastructure. To be clearly
regulated,
>> I don't think that's going to happen.
That's not going to happen.
But
>> it's a girl dream.
>> Can a girl dream, Luke?
>> Then we're cool. You can dream if it's
heavy heavily regulated dreaming.
>> Oh, yeah. To be very clear, to be very
clear, I would like nuclear power to be
done with all of the regulation and all
of the safety checks. Uh, but I just I
thought the size of this the size to
output ratio of this thing
>> is so cool.
So cool. 10 million watts
on something that is portable enough to
be transported with a truck.
>> Pretty freaking unelievable.
>> Yeah. By truck like did you look at
pictures? Do they mean like semi-truck?
>> Uh
>> like what's the scale that we're talking
about?
>> We're we're talking semi-truck.
>> Yeah. Thought so. I mean that's still
insane. Like there I'm not talking. I'm
just trying to understand
>> in the back of your F-150 or whatever.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Strap it in.
Uh, okay.
>> Yeah, buddy. Um, all right. Okay. Hold
on. Hold on. I can do I can do more. I
can do more. Okay. This is cool. Do you
want to bring up the LT Labs website?
>> Uh, that's uh
>> you're cheating.
>> Yeah,
>> that's cheating.
>> That is cheating.
>> Lucas Lucas uploaded yet another really
cool article this week.
>> Freaking banger, dude. that I read top
to bottom because I was all like, "Yeah,
yeah, what is up with that?" So the
question that he set out to answer is
what's up with power supply series like
say for example the NZXT Core Gold
series where you've got what is
seemingly one power design or one power
supply design that's rated for anywhere
from I believe it goes from 750 W to 850
W to 1,000 W. But as you can see if you
look at them clearly all using the same
PCB and functionally a lot of the same
design.
>> Yeah, there are minor changes but yeah.
>> Yeah, there are. And Lucas dives into
all of them, explaining which changes
impact which characteristics of the
power supply and what they mean for
these different units and their ability
to provide different amounts of power in
a sustained fashion. And I just thought
it was a really cool read because it was
something that I had like had half a
thought about in the past, but never
really even gotten as far as forming the
full thought, let alone asking somebody
the answer to the question. And he just
did such a good job of getting right out
ahead of me and completely answering it
and asking it all in one go with great
pictures that illustrate the
differences. is and I yeah I just
thought it was I thought it was a really
cool article and I read the crap out of
it. I loved it.
>> There's also been uh there's been a lot
of really good stuff on the articles
front recently. The IBOT article which I
think we've maybe already called on W
show is fantastic. Popular Linux gaming
distros. Uh we kind of
>> we're adapting that into a video by the
way.
>> Yeah.
>> So I'm working on writing for it now. I
actually wrote one of the funniest uh
I'm I'm the writer for it and I wrote
one of the funniest intros that I think
I've ever written.
>> Nice. Yeah. Do you want to want a
preview?
>> Uh,
>> you can just say no. You can just say
you don't care about my work. That's
fine. You can do that.
>> What do you What do you mean by preview?
Do you mean like you have a clip of it?
>> No, I mean like I I can read it.
>> Oh, you're going to read it? Sure. Yeah.
Sure. Okay.
>> So So I'm going to have uh it just I I
always love the comedic value of one
actor playing multiple characters. So,
it might just be me playing both of the
characters or I might have someone else
be the like the the husband, but we're
going to do like uh like an altar scene
like for a wedding and we're going to
start with like the uh the officient
saying do you Joe gamer take Linux to be
your lawfully wedded operating system to
have until and then we're going to cut.
Um so we're going to have me standing in
front of like a crappy plate of like
church pews or something and I'm going
to stand up. going be like, "I object.
She's no operating system. She's a
colonel." And then we're going to have
like a crowd gasp like sound effects
thing. And then uh I'm going to like
pull back the the the the penguin suit
and we're going to have like a Colonel
Sanders mask. Uh and then we're going to
And then we're just going to like we're
going to do like a hard cut because that
is the dumbest joke of all time. Just be
Okay, jokes aside. What what if it's
what if it's what if it's just
>> the the bride is like obscured by the
veil
>> and then when when you yell the it's a
colonel and they they turn to the screen
it's just a penguin being like
what if you do that
>> oh I was going to have the bride be
someone in a penguin costume.
>> I know but you peel back the penguin
costume like they're they're already
maybe I'm being the Linux guy. I don't
know. Whatever. Don't worry about it.
Um, so, okay, but jokes aside, there is
a common misconception that Linux is an
operating system when in truth, it's
just one part of a fully functioning
operating system. Specifically, it's the
kernel with a K, not that one. The part
that's responsible for managing
resources and communications between the
operating system and your physical
hardware. Uh, so we so it's just kind of
like a it's just like a super goofy
opportunity to, you know, have a fun
costume and have a really memorable way
to without being all um actually and
insufferable about it. Remind people
that Linux is not in fact an operating
system. It is a kernel and that's one of
the big challenges that it faces both in
terms of support from game developers
and also in terms of choosing the right
one. And that's how we're ultimately
going to get into the meat of the video
which is what are the performance
differences for gamers between the
various Linux distros that are out
there. And that was um if you guys want
spoilers for the answer, the article is
already up on ltlabs.com
and you can go check it out. Let's uh
let's get our last sponsors out of the
way.
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>> Did Did someone copy old talking points
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>> Are they Are they clearing out 14th gen
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>> This is the kind of thing that is just
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resources to do what they already would
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make a definitive statement on this but
I think it might be the best way to get
an incredible result that is better for
everybody involved when you've got
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>> Holy crap. What the heck? What's up?
>> Do we need audio for this?
>> Uh there. Okay.
>> Oh, dude, that's what you found. Okay.
Luke was looking for the next topic.
Yeah, this one's cool.
>> There's a subject called cool LT render
by I eat pizza 888 on Reddit and I was
like, oh, that'll be kind of neat. And
then I looked at it and I was like,
what? Uh, get ready to have your mind
blown. Everyone audio playing elsewhere,
so I need you to mute that first.
>> Okay, hold on. Is it just the show? Do
you know?
>> I could just
>> I think it's movement. I think it's the
show. Is it gone now?
>> Yes.
>> Got it. It was the show.
>> We'll do C and enable that button. Okay.
I don't know if LOS will be able to hear
this, but hopefully we will.
>> That's fine. I've I've heard it.
>> Um, I got nothing.
>> I accidentally paused it immediately, I
guessed. My bad.
>> Wow.
>> I wonder if there's Hold on. Hold on one
sec. Hold on one sec. No, no, no. It's
working. Okay, we're holding on. Are
there Easter eggs in here? What's in
here?
I do not have enough resolution to read
that
>> projects. Sexy segue.
>> Sexy segue. Tech house. Top secret AMD
tech upgrade shoots. There's some
there's some Easter eggs in there. Okay.
Click play.
Damn.
Is this copyrighted music, Jack? Uh,
well, I guess it is what it is at this
point.
We didn't check it all.
So cool. God dang. We're not done. Oh my
god, it's so good.
>> Wow. That's actually like just
fantastic.
>> How cool is that? And they said they
said all Blender,
all handone, no AI.
Um, and I'm trying to I'm trying to hold
on. I'm trying to remember. Did was this
their was this their first full
animation in Blender?
Uh, let me double check.
I seem to recall they said something
about that, but my Wi-Fi is not that
fast, especially when I'm streaming.
Personal project. Yeah. Uh my first
personal project in Blender.
>> That's so cool. Uh the 2D and the sound
design was done in After Effects and uh
they they said they used zero AI. If you
want to see how it was made, let me
know. I plan on doing a breakdown at
some point. How flipping cool is that? I
>> I didn't I didn't see this cuz they
embedded the video directly to Reddit,
but they they also have a YouTube
channel that they posted it on, um
Harun, so check that out. it doesn't
have that many views. So, go go there
and and say hi here as well. Um, I'm
sure if there is updates, it it might be
on the Reddit, but it will definitely be
on their YouTube channel. So, so go
there, get subscribed.
>> I It's just It's so It's so cool to see
the kinds of things that
um that people will just create
spontaneously like that. Like that's uh
it's
and like no offense, you know, but I'm
amazed at how good it is.
Like it's
>> Oh, it's incredible.
>> It's not that I don't What was his name
again? It's not that I don't believe in
you, sir.
>> Um
>> it's not that I don't believe in you. I
eat pizza 88. It's just that
>> you just you made it way better than I
would have ever thought that you could
make it as your first Blender project.
It's It's I would never know that you
weren't a pro
watching this.
>> It is.
>> Um Yeah. So cool.
Like it looks like a real ad.
>> Speaking of so cool, if you own any, uh
Samsung's valuation reached $1 trillion
on Wednesday as shares of the South
Korean tech giant surged more than 10%.
We are partially maybe losing line. I'm
just going to keep going. On Wednesday,
Samsung stock surged 15%.
Oh,
>> okay. Crossing $1 trillion and make it
the second Asian company past that mark
after TSMC. The rally followed Samsung's
record Q1 earnings last week where
operating profit jumped more than
eightfold and Q1 alone topped the
company's entire 2025 profit. Gez driven
by AI memory demand. Samsung's profit
engine is high bandwidth memory or HBM
where it currently trails SKH highix at
about 25% market share but recently
started mass producing HBM4 the latest
generation expected to power NVIDIA's
upcoming Vera Rubin AI architecture
discussion question. What impact if any
do you think this will have on Samsung's
consumer products? Uh I don't think it
will have any. Samsung has always been
very excited to be in everything ever.
It's It's kind of funky to walk around
Korea. I haven't been there in a long
time, but it's kind of funky to walk
around Korea and just see all the
different things labeled with Samsung.
>> There's Samsung tanks,
>> military division.
>> Military. Yeah. There's Samsung toilets.
There's Samsung insurance. Uh there's
Samsung whatever the heck you could
possibly imagine. I don't think they're
ever going to give that up. But um like
and what I mean by that is I don't think
they're going to do a micron where they
just like shut down their consumer
division. I don't see that happening
personally because they like being
everywhere. But they do have the weight
to just scale. So I do I do suspect
they'll probably do that where where
they were saying here they they started
mass-producing HBM4. It's like yeah I
see them doing stuff like that.
Increasing production, hiring more
people, expanding even further. Um they
like are South Korea. So yeah, I
wouldn't I wouldn't be too surprised if
they just kept going. Um, so that
>> come back baby.
>> I don't know if that fits into good news
either.
>> Uh, Samsung space.
>> It's good news for Samsung.
>> I can't do it. I can't do it. No one
can.
>> Oh, and
>> that's an amazing reference. If you're
wondering what Dan and I are
referencing, that's uh one of the Red
Alert games. I think it's two.
>> Oh man.
>> Oh, that's the wrong one.
>> I don't know if I want to show it on
screen, but it's like uh
>> What the hell is this?
>> I will I will go to the the last place
not corrupted by capital
>> space.
Thank you.
>> It's amazing. You can tell he's fighting
off laughter at the end there.
>> Just
>> it's uh Oh, it's Command and Conquer,
not Red Alert. My bad. I always mix the
two. It is a core part of my being.
>> Oh yeah, it's amazing.
>> A section.
>> Did I drop me?
>> You did.
>> You are back now.
>> How far did I get?
>> Nowhere at all.
>> You were You were going I hate it here.
>> Sick.
>> A
>> We're back. Orange bars, green bars.
Yeah, we can keep going.
>> Okay.
>> All right. Here's my good news spin on
our last story. Um, okay. Just a few
hours after
um the evening of May 5th when a large
chunk of Germany's internet went down,
it was restored.
Huh. Good news. The internet was
restored is good news.
>> Yeah, this is our Oh, sorry. Okay, I
understand.
I don't think that's how that works.
>> Yeah, that's fine. The outage ran from
9:57 p.m., so 2157, to a little after
1:00 in the morning the next morning,
knocking offline major sites like
Amazon, DHL, Steam, eBay, and German
news outlets. Um, only
um domains that were had that were
pushed out faulty DNS sec signatures
were affected. Uh, Denick,
which is the registry that manages the
company's.de domains and who apparently
uh pushed these faulty DNS signatures,
hasn't published an official root cause
yet, though some commentators have
pointed to a botched zone signing key
rollover. The registry says that it will
release more details once the
investigation wraps up. Um, our
discussion question here is, do events
like this make you worried about the
many unknown single points of failure
that there are for vital digital
infrastructure? And I mean, I think the
answer is a is a resounding and obvious
yes. Yes, it does. Um, like I'd never
even heard of these guys and all of a
sudden like, you know, Steam's not
accessible for an entire country. Are
you kidding me? What the heck?
>> I honestly my gut reaction was no. But
the only reason why my gut reaction was
no is cuz like man yeah there's so much
more.
It's crazy. I mean one of one of the
wild things that we've been seeing
lately is the uh the cable cutting boats
>> uh ships maybe I should say uh with with
undersea cables. I think I think China
literally just did this to Taiwan like
very recently. Uh we saw a lot of this
in the Ukraine and Russian war. Um I was
that even allegedly? I didn't think the
the Chinese Taiwan one was allegedly. I
think they just I thought they just did
it. Um
>> let me check.
Um
Taiwan detained and prosecuted Chinese
crews for deliberately severing
underseas communication cables. Um
BB BBC source sentenced to three years
in prison. It just says Chinese national
though.
I don't know if they've been able to
prove that the Chinese government did
it. So, I just wanted
>> deeply enough into it, but I thought it
was like literally a ship designed to do
this that they were like testing and
then it worked. But I I don't know. But
either way, there's man,
the internet as we know it is such a
crazy combination of building blocks of
different systems and organizations and
people and individuals and open source
software and closed source software and
and a massive variety of companies. And
the fact that it all works is all works
and has insane uptime as a like
generalized system is
>> the fact that I'm talking to you right
now
>> is a miracle.
>> Mindblowing.
>> Like we we should never stop believing
that. We should never take it for
granted because it's the the deeper you
go into it. I feel like it's it's like
one of those um it's like one of those
uh those like IQ curves. Uh what is it
like? Like like dumb, smart, smart,
dumb, smarter, like whatever. But
basically,
>> yeah. How how amazed you are by the
internet. Like if you're super dumb,
you're like super super amazed. And then
if you're kind of like midwit, then you
might not be that amazed. And then if
you're super smart, you're probably
really amazed because there there's like
there's so much
like professional grade duct tape. No, I
know it's called a bell curve, but it's
like it's like a like a midwit um
meme.
Uh bell curve. I watched a video last
night where uh Destin from Star was
talking to uh two of the astronauts on
the ISS and I I kind of like
>> No, it's not.
>> Mentally paused partway through just to
like
>> marvel at I understand it's not new
technology, not by a decent amount, but
I I paused for a second just to marvel
at the fact that they were having a
video call. I was just like,
>> "Yeah,
>> damn, dude. That's crazy.
Um, yeah, it's uh it's a wondrous thing.
>> So, there's a there's a version of the
Midwipet meme where the like cloaked
genius is at both ends of the
distribution and then the like uh dumb
guy is in the middle.
>> I knew what you
>> um Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Um Oh crap.
>> Or or Oh, no. It's the It's So, it's
based on the Midwip meme. Yeah. Yeah.
Sydney Broke It has got it. It's the one
where the guys on both ends have the
same outward opinion, but the middle is
like furious. But in this case, it's
like the outside is like amazed and the
middle is like meh. Um, yeah. Cool. All
right, dude. That's it for topics. We're
ready to jump into Wancho After Dark.
What What all you got for us, Mr.
Besser?
>> Well, give me a second to change
everything over.
>> We know you have a life crystal. I just
know I just know you can take it.
You can handle bit a little bit of
ribbing. Or I don't mean it that way,
but like uh Okay, I'm I'm stop now.
>> This is also a really cool video. It's
from the studio. I know David ML had a
one of the best
>> to do with I'm just over you guys. Um
David Ml had a lot to do with this. Are
there really seven keys to the internet?
this if you want to look into more of
like, man, how the heck does this thing
keep working? This is honestly a a great
video. It It was stunning to me that
this only got 180,000 views. This is a a
really good video. It's really
interesting look into
uh how some of this stuff works. Um
yeah, anyways,
internet is a crazy thing. Hi, WAN team.
Getting the ABCs of gaming for my 10day
newborn boy. smiley face.
>> Oh, congrats.
>> Lus, what is your best tech tip for
younger babies? When should someone
start them out on it in your opinion?
Thanks.
>> Um, I think you should basically delay
it as long as you can because they're
going to get plenty of screen time and
plenty of, you know, gaming time. And
when they start asking for it is
basically when you should start even
beginning to ask yourself you know
should they have any in
in my opinion I mean there's always
going to be times when let's face it
being a parent is not always easy and
sometimes you actually just do need a
break. Um Kids TV123 taught my firstborn
the alphabet and how to count and
phonics. Um, it's a YouTube channel.
I'm not proud of it, but I'm not ashamed
by it. Um, as for as for getting them
into tech, I don't think it's really
like time based, but it's like
motivation based. So, my my kids had
access to all the tech that they could
possibly want, but they didn't really
start like learning 3D printing and
modeling until the girls wanted to make
toys and my eldest wanted to make some
money and start like a side hustle
selling 3D printed stuff. Um,
it's going to it's going to happen
organically and or or it might just not.
And here's the thing. You can't make
your kids be interested in the same
stuff that you are.
Just doesn't work that way.
Do it in front of them. That's a that's
a big thing. They will naturally be
interested in whatever it is that you're
doing. So, if you're always like fixing
up bicycles or if you're always uh you
know working on computers and you make a
point of involving them, that's your
best shot at um them
adopting like a healthy relationship
with, you know, whatever it is that is
your hobby that you want to do with
them.
Hey, Lionus. If Project Helix is a Steam
Machine-l like device and Windows is
improved, how well do you think it will
do against the Steam Machine?
>> Oh, I mean, I feel like Luke has
immediate thoughts on this. I could see
it. I could see it in his face.
>> Uh, I actually don't think they compete
that much.
>> Yeah.
Uh, yeah. I I think they're in I think
they're in different markets. I I think
Microsoft has to compete with Steam OS
but on a PC level. Um I think the people
interested in a Steam machine are
interested in having Steam on their TV.
And if if Helix is going to matter
basically at all, it's going to have to
have some like, you know, timed
exclusives or whatever else. Um, maybe
those games work on Windows, but
and and maybe they sort of work on
Linux, or maybe they do work on Linux,
but with some tinkering or what,
whatever, wherever that line ends up
being.
>> Um,
>> but yeah, I I I think they're different
devices. I think they're different
target audiences. And as as like cool as
it is, as as you know, Windows is
growing or sorry, Linux is growing in
installation
size, what am I trying to say? uh not
market cap, market share uh in in market
share of people that are using things
like Steam and whatnot. It's still a
tiny slice of the pie. So like Steam
Machine doing well is not going to be
the reason why Helix doesn't make it.
Like I I I would bet everything on that.
Helix might not make it because no one
has really cared that much about
Microsoft consoles in a really long time
because they've been not good. So, it
needs to like be really good and be
really compelling. Have good freaking
games for once. What are you doing? And
then also be priced well. And if they
can accomplish those things, then it
will matter. And if they can't, it
won't. That's it.
Hey, DLL. You've said before you
generally have a good sense of how a
video will perform pre-launch. Have
there been any that genuinely surprised
you by doing way better than expected?
Oh, you were going to say you're saying
better than expected. Uh, I thought you
were going a different direction with
that and I had one completely ready for
you. Uh, the video keyboard that we
uploaded earlier this week, the uh the
Flux keyboard like
vastly
uh underperformed compared to my
expectations. And actually, I guess
followup, the the TV with no smart
features, the the Scepter TV video, um,
way overperformed. We got just over half
a million views on this keyboard that
like has an entire screen under it so
that you can uh change languages on the
fly or do it's it's it's kind of like a
like a stream deck, but an entire
keyboard. You can put any icons you want
that control anything, any hotkeys that
you want in basically any software that
you launch. Um, it's supported by
Windows, macOS, and even Linux. Um, it
was like really cool. It raised almost
$4 million on Kickstarter.
Super neat. Um, yeah, no one cared. And
then we did a video on like a Scepter TV
that was more like a like a writer
meeting like, "Hey, yeah, what the heck?
Why aren't there more like dumb TVs?
Does anyone still make dumb TVs? Oh, L.
Scepter does. Haha. Okay, let's get one.
We'll like maybe just like, you know,
unbox it and watch it a little bit and
see if it's any good. Like 2 million
views. Like, okay. Well, I don't know
what the rules are anymore. So, um,
good luck everybody.
Uh, Torpedo Bench says, "I'm not
surprised to hear the screen keyboard
underperformed. The video watched like
an ad." That is that is like super
interesting feedback and I have I'm
gonna I'm gonna have to watch it again
and see if I can figure out like what
you mean by that because I um I have no
idea what you're talking about. We not
only is it not an ad, but they didn't
even send it to us. Like I didn't even
buy one. I borrowed it from someone who
backed the Kickstarter.
So I don't really uh Yeah, I'm okay. I'm
going to have to I'm I'm going to have
to figure out what that means exactly.
I mean, yeah, we're always uh we're
always open to feedback, but I just
don't really know how to have a not ad
um not look like an ad. Um no, I totally
understand it wasn't an ad. It just had
ad vibes.
Interesting. I mean, okay. Current year
sucks says, "Even when pointing out the
downsides to the keyboard, you sounded
super positive." I mean, I thought it
was really cool. Sorry.
Charcoal says, "It was scripted in a
similar way to your sponsored content."
It wasn't scripted.
It was actually unscripted. I just
thought it was really cool.
I scripted the intro. Only the intro
before we like roll our animated intro
was scripted.
>> That's so funny.
>> So maybe I So you guys think my
unscripted sounds like scripted and my
not ads sound like ads. So should I just
do all scripted ads?
>> Raikenclaw says you're supposed to be
cynical and dismissive. Like no, I'm not
going to do that. The keyboard's cool.
I this is man it's not only it's not
only um like like one person as well
saying like it felt like an ad like
there's a number of people in flow plane
chat that are like yeah I like I felt
like it had kind of like an ad vibe too
that's so weird to me
um turn your socks I to be clear I
didn't hate the video no I'm not saying
you hate the video and it's fine if you
hate the video like it literally our the
best videos on the channel still have a
1% dislike ratio You know, somebody
dislikes something, no matter how quote
unquote universally loved it is. Um, and
this is a scary comment from Birdie Num
Noms. They mistook your enthusiasm for
marketing.
That's kind of
>> sad.
>> A terrifying
world to live in
where you're not allowed to be. Is that
like Tik Tok undisclosed ad brain going
on?
>> I wonder.
I do wonder that. That's exactly what I
was thinking.
Huh.
>> Um, can you unsay that please? Because I
hate it. I mean, I think it's
I've heard I don't have Tik Tok. I've
heard that's a thing. I've heard that
there's a lot of undisclosed
advertisements on Tik Tok. I can't say
from firsthand experience. Um, but like
maybe maybe that's what's going on.
Maybe you've been trained that if
anyone's speaking that way about
basically anything that it's an ad. That
is funny. I haven't watched it yet, but
it's funny that it was unscripted, not
an ad. They didn't even send the
product, etc.
>> Like literally everything people hated
about it
>> the opposite
>> wasn't what it was.
>> That's very funny.
>> Um,
wow.
>> You're really
>> It's called It's called This Video
Raised I'm talking to Dan. This video
raised 3.8 million on Kickstarter.
>> It's dollar sign 3.8M. 8 M. You got it.
Okay.
>> Like there's definitely things I think
we could have done better. Um we tried
to do that cool thing with the packaging
where the thumbnail is actually the
first frame of the video so it just like
starts right away. Um cuz I really
wanted people to like see the keyboard
in action. But I think maybe we could
have chosen a better video. I just liked
the idea of like uh um playing a video
of a keyboard unboxing while I unbox a
video keyboard was just and you know
what?
Oh, I wonder if this is something
because I shot the intro afterward, like
after we'd already gotten it working and
I was already like super excited about
it. So maybe
>> maybe that's what's going on
>> for like an for like an intro. Maybe I
seem too excited for something that I
like hadn't really like explained or
shown yet.
>> Super stupid server dude, fantastic name
in flip plane chat said, "I get I got
those ad vibes too and I don't watch Tik
Tok."
And then meanwhile, like nobody's mad
about the sponsored video we did on LG's
HTA9 competitor. the their like wireless
surround thing, which by the way,
totally unsponsored right now, but is
really cool. Um
uh
but uh
Huh. For the first time in positive W
show era, I think you're going to have
to take away my bird, Dan.
I Yeah, I don't know how to
>> Torpedo Bench said, "West I don't know
how to process this. I'm going to think
about it. I'm going to fester." I feel
like considering how many people have
this feedback, I feel like that's worth
>> uh trying to work on and figure out.
Torpedo Bench said, "Wild Wild Guess,
you seemed almost too informed rather
than discovering it along with the
viewer." I don't know if
>> it's interesting.
>> He is left in shame.
>> He's gone. That is interesting. Again, I
haven't watched this one. Maybe I'm part
of the problem, but
>> Oh, he's gone completely.
>> Slide over to Luke.
>> Yeah,
>> I'm just uh getting logged in here. I'll
do another thing
>> chat.
>> Talk to Luke.
>> How's it going? You must speak to me. I
can maybe do merch messages if there's
any ready and also for me.
>> I have to reconnect him and do things.
>> That makes sense. Uh engage with our
community once.
>> No.
>> Oh, I mean here's one. What's up, boys?
Luke, what workout equipment, if any, do
you have at home? Looking good.
>> Looking good. I mean, I'm way out of sh.
Interestingly enough, the first time
I've gone to the gym in a really long
time was actually last night. I am
>> How'd it go?
>> Incredibly sore right now, dude. Oh my
god. I did the
>> So, you're not just waddling for no
reason.
>> No, no, no. I did I did my my chest
routine, so I did the whole skull
crushers thing and everything. Um I was
fairly surprised at how much I still
had. Um
>> like lateral raises was one that I was
expecting to lose a lot of performance
in. And I still I was still doing 30 lb
sets of 12 lateral raises which I was
decently happy with. Um I had been out
for a very long time. I had so like
basically honestly
for surprisingly close to a year. I
think it's like 10 months I've basically
been out. There was um
there was there was a massive rena at my
house. There was a bunch of moving stuff
that was happening and I couldn't get
spare time to go to the gym for a really
long time. And then health thing
happened and then minor injuries because
I wasn't going to the gym for a long
time and then I tried to start doing
things again and I have a lot of small
issues that if I'm not constantly
maintaining them they're problems and
now I've mostly moved through that and
I'm going back to going to the gym and
yeah I know I'm just now I'm just very
very I'm very sore. I uh I tried to man
there was there was a guy there I
haven't been in so long right and it's
just a little community gym that I go to
nothing too special. So, I walk in and I
used to recognize like almost everybody.
And I walk in and I recognize like the
front desk guy and he was a little bit
surprised to see me and I was like,
"Yeah, I'm back." And that was cool. And
then I walk inside and not a single
person working out do I recognize. Um,
partway through my workout, however,
this dude walks in and I recognized him
and he's freaking stacked. He's like way
bigger than I than I remember him being.
And I was like, "Wow, cool." And then
partway through working out, I I work up
a little bit of courage and I and I walk
up to him and I start trying to talk to
him and I was going to say basically
like, "Hey man, like I you know, I used
to come to this gym all the time and I
don't know if you recognize me, but I
remember you from back then and like
it's I really like appreciate that
you're still coming. It's like
inspiration for me to see that you're
still here cuz nobody else is." Uh, and
I get like halfway into it.
>> I get halfway into it and he's like,
"Oh, I'm so sorry. No English." I'm
like, "Damn it.
like, oh no.
Um,
>> yeah. But, uh, yeah. So, I don't know.
What workout equipment do I have at
home? Uh, I ordered a weight bench and
it has taken over 3 months and isn't
here yet, but theoretically, I'll have a
weight bench.
>> In fairness, they did say that you were
going to have to wait for it.
>> My god.
Jeez. Uh, and then going home. I came
back just to do that.
>> I have a couple dumbbells. I'm probably
going to be trying to get some
adjustable dumbbells. And with
adjustable dumbbells in a weight bench,
you can do like an incredible amount of
stuff. There's this thing that I've been
looking into. I don't know if I want to
talk about it yet, but it's it's uh it's
a pulley attachment. So, you know, when
you go to the gym and you you have the
the um
the like six axis pulley thing that's
usually in the middle of the gym. That's
not the right name for it. Darn it. I
don't remember. Anyways, you have the
the the pulley machines. It you can
attach it. I think it attaches through
magnet or you can latch it in, but you
can attach it to basically anything. And
then it has a electronic pulley
attachment. Yeah, I think that's right.
Um, and then you you you just dial it to
a setting and then you have a pulling
machine basically anywhere. I don't
remember what it's called. No. Wow. Not
a Smith machine. Nope. That's if H. I
may have described that extremely
poorly. Uh, Voltra. I think that's
right. Ultra pulley. Cable. That's what
I'm thinking. Cable, not pulley.
Yeah, I've seen these. How much are
they? I don't even know.
My laptop just froze. There we go. They
might be super crazy expensive. Oh my
god. I'm not buying one of those. All
right. Sick. Sounds good.
>> Huh?
You want You want one pulley and you
want to spend $2,100 on it?
>> What?
>> Um, it's a really cool idea. It can go
up to like
>> put it on a tree
>> 200 lb or something. You can attach it
to like practically anything and then
you can have a pulley machine anywhere.
>> But my god, the price
>> attached to a pulley machine. Have a
pulley machine on your pulley machine.
Oh my
>> ultimate bundle. $6,000. It comes with
two.
>> Oh, it comes with two.
You can do both arms at the same time.
That's way more efficient.
>> If you have that kind of money you need,
>> honestly, not buying that is just losing
money if we think about it.
>> That sounds like financial advice.
>> Yeah.
>> Refocus, you buttthead. Sorry, my uh my
my camera will not refocus right now.
And I don't know why.
>> Let me see if I can force it, too.
>> You can't do anything. It's the camera.
>> Yeah, I can.
>> Wait, you can. How did you do that? And
now it's in focus. You had autofocus
disabled.
>> I did?
>> Yeah.
>> How would I do that?
>> I don't know.
>> Yeah, I can focus on the background
everybody's saying is fake.
>> I didn't touch uh I didn't I didn't
touch the settings. The only thing that
happened was my stupid horrible MediaTek
Wi-Fi cutout.
>> I didn't touch anything.
>> Weird.
>> It's your fault. Okay. More.
>> How did you change the focus on my
camera?
>> Yeah. That is magic. No, I I see you
doing it, Dan. You don't have to prove
you can do it. How did you do it?
>> I clicked on focus.
>> Yeah, but like how
>> uh the software that I use for the um uh
video call that we're doing here lets me
adjust a bunch of settings.
>> Yes, apparently. But explain further.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that's
like this is cool.
>> Uh I mean, we're not associated with
them, but it's called Video Ninja. Yeah,
that's fine. I don't care.
>> Um, and there's a producer section. You
can have multiple people. You can do a
whole bunch of stuff. It lets me see all
sorts of stats like round trip latency,
buffer settings, your webcam's exposure,
and stuff. What is it set to? 155.8. So,
I can do this.
>> You know, I can adjust your white
balance, your color. It really depends.
Say you don't know what you're doing and
you have the wrong audio device or
>> Yeah.
>> or something like that. I can also
change your audio device. I can um
request that you change it to a certain
thing. Uh
>> yeah, I'm just I don't recall at any
point like
>> I've never had to do it.
>> I gave I gave this application access to
my camera,
>> but I guess I never really thought about
that that meant access to my camera.
>> Yeah,
>> I thought that meant access to the video
feed. I I had no idea that there was
even like any kind of like common API
for webcams that would like I I'm sorry.
I just never thought about this before.
>> Yeah. And I mean I said earlier like oh
you've got 32 cores on your computer.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Know that I figured there
was like kind of an obvious way for you
to check. But in terms of like actually
changing settings on the camera like
what?
>> I've doxed you as well. I've got your
your external IP. I've got like
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that I mean I
assume again video call
>> like I mean
>> maybe
>> Yeah, but that's exposed to me. Yeah, I
don't I don't know. Um it's a
>> great I love it. And
>> what else can you change on my camera?
>> Um I can change the aspect ratio. I can
change the brightness. Uh color
temperature.
>> Height. Frame rate. Let's make you
>> You can make me taller.
>> Let's give you 21 frames a second. Well,
that's this is this is great. I'm glad
that I did this for the end of the show.
Um,
>> very cool. Um,
all right. Why don't we uh why don't we
jump into another com.
>> Uh, sure. I'll just leave you yellow
then. That works. Uh, hi LLD.
>> Simpson did it.
>> I dived out of a plane at 15,000 ft for
charity last month. I raised 1,200 quid.
Have any of you ever been skydiving?
Also, any recommendations for a UPS for
a new UG Green IDX6011
Pro NAS
may say all these numbers.
>> No. Uh, always been interested, but
never enough to bother going through
with it, I guess. Um, I suspect I will
at some point.
As for the UPS, I don't know. Get
whichever one is the APC basic one or
Cyberpower basic one. That is the
capacity that you need. Uh if you're not
a data center, then that's all you
really need to know is get one of those
and that'll probably be fine. That's a
that's a super cool experience, though.
I've I've never skydived. I'm not 100%
sure that I want to do it at all.
I'll I would
h
I am still thinking about it. Ivonne
doesn't want to though, and that's a
major thing for me is we like doing
things together. Uh Luke, are you are
you on board to skydive?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay. I'd think about it then. And
I've never had anyone to like really
push me, pun intended, um to go.
>> That's the thing is my my desire level
on it has never been
quite that high, but I've always been
down. So, it just hasn't really happened
yet, but I'm like pretty confident it
will eventually. I at one point in time
I was like I'm going to do it but I want
to go like the whole way and I want to
get like certified and I can do solo
jumps and stuff and then I looked into
the time and the expense and was like
I'm not going to do it.
>> Yeah. And the tandem jump is not as
appealing to me as going by myself.
>> Yeah.
>> So the fact that I would do it once and
it would be the like
>> kind of Yeah. for babies version. To be
clear, I still would expect it to be
extremely thrilling, but I would just
like I would want to like, you know, do
it myself.
>> Um, by the way, Rod jumped in. And so,
I'm just going to go ahead and say he he
says go eaten for your for your UPS and
get an get a lithium um whatever it is.
>> Are there affordable FE4? Yeah. Yeah.
No, Eaton does have consumer really uh
consumer friendly products. Yep.
>> That's cool.
>> All right. I actually
>> thanks for jumping in with that.
>> Wow, they totally do. They look cool,
too. What?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, we got a lot of eating stuff. It's
good. It's good things.
>> Rod tips.
>> Do Did Did Did you cook chicken for it
first or
Okay, let's touch it to some merch. Uh,
hey DL. My wife and I know it's the
weekend when the WAN Show is on. What do
you do when with your significant other
that makes it feel like the weekend is
here?
>> Um, I host the WAN Show with him.
>> A what about Luke?
>> Too easy. Too easy.
>> That was good.
>> Um,
hey Dan, Luke and Lionus. Question for
Lionus. What if your most quote unquote
if they just do this take for a company
where you think they'd be super
successful quote unquote if they just do
this? Thank you all.
>> Oh, okay.
If they just do this, they'd be super
successful. Okay. So, this has to be a
company that I've heard of. So, they
have to already be at least reasonably
successful. If anyone else wants to jump
in with
>> No, they they could be they could be
failing but previously successful.
>> Like uh we could use this as our We
haven't talked about Oh, did you say
Microsoft?
>> I said Ubisoft.
>> Oh, okay. Let's Should we use this as
our excuse to talk about Microsoft? We
haven't really We haven't really dunked
on Microsoft yet this show. If they just
actually put half of the resources into
making Windows better that they do into
stuffing it full of ads and AI, um, I
think they'd be really successful. To be
clear, they could keep doing what
they're doing now and still be really
successful. I'm just saying that if they
did this thing, they would be really
successful. I'm not saying they would be
unsuccessful if they didn't. They also,
and like this one I actually don't want
to harp on too much because they might
maybe be making the right steps to doing
it right now,
but they got to figure out what the heck
they're going to do with their massive
assortment of legendary studios that
they have under their belt
>> when they are not like the publisher of
the moment right now. It doesn't really
make a lot of sense. They they have so
much potential there. They have so such
a wealth of IP and um it feels like a
lot of mismanagement. I don't remember
the name of the game, but some game came
out, did super well, got rated really
well, and then the whole team got laid
off. And I remember just thinking like
I understand
>> do that.
>> The the
>> the fact that you can't remember the
name of the game and it happens so often
that you're like, "Ah, which one was
it?" is awful. And it happens a lot with
Microsoft. And the the weird thing to me
is I understand what I've heard the
strategy is is that if they don't
necessar I think it was Hi-Fi Rush.
Yeah. Um if if they don't necessarily
have something to work on like
immediately and they can't ship
something like soon, then it looks bad
on the books now. So they just get rid
of them. But the the insanity to me is
that with the amount of IPs that they
have, like holy crap, guys, just put
them on something else. They clearly
made good game. They don't have to make
good game version two. They could go
make other good game. Like that's it's
okay. You could put these people on on
anything else. You have so many
different IPs that they could be working
on. If you don't have an idea for them
right now or if you think Hi-Fi Rush 2
would be too soon or something like
that, have them go help another team for
a while or something and then split them
back off. Who knows? But like just
constantly cycling out good talent is
not a strategy that is effective. Um and
if you know that you have a team that
can deliver, just deleting them for
short-term gain gain does not feel like
a Microsoft strategy. Um that feels like
a tiny has no money dead around the
corner studio strategy that is failing
and can't keep up. And if you want to
make yourself look like that, go ahead,
I guess. But you're trying to be big guy
in the room, Microsoft, and buy every
freaking gaming company out there. Act
like it. Follow through. Find the good
teams that are doing well and assign
them to something that they can do. And
if they can't, if you don't have another
thing that they can do, put them on
temporary assignment. But don't lose
that talent. Oh my god. It's like
groups like Microsoft that have all this
IP and all these employees and all this
kind of stuff are getting just
slaughtered by indies right now and and
and not even like
you you know you can't properly call
Larry in a AAA studio or at least you
couldn't maybe they're getting closer to
that u but you could you couldn't when
they dropped Balders's Gate 3 and they
just slaughtered everyone and a lot of
that is from my understanding from Laren
is they've just over the years grown
this pool of just incredibly talented
people that have just progressively made
better RPGs over and over and over again
over time. Just every time Larry has
released a game, it's just gotten
better, which is just insane. And you
have the capability. You can accomplish
that. You can do that. And in a lot of
these situations, you have some of those
people. Keep them.
Ah, anyways,
>> I like Oh, hi Josh's if movie studios
could just faithfully adapt a video game
to a movie, they would be successful.
Um, you know, or TV or a TV series or
whatever. Uh, like it's it's blowing my
mind that they're remaking Harry Potter
when there's so many other beloved IPs
that you could just, you know, go and
license and like do that with. You don't
stop remaking the same old thing. Uh,
with that said, I think keeping remaking
the same old thing does appear to be a
license to print money. So, uh, don't
don't put me in charge of a movie studio
anytime soon. I I would have done
something crazy like have people who
love Star Wars make Star Wars movies.
>> That's nuts. I don't know.
>> I know. So, I'm basically basically an
idiot.
Hi, DLL. Just fixed a thumb stick while
uh with my wife in the hospital for a
chronic condition. What games would you
recommend for people laid up in the
hospital?
Oh, wow.
Uh, shouldn't the doctors really be
fixing the thumb sticks?
>> That's very funny, Dan.
>> No, it's not. Shut up.
>> So, wait. They they want to play a game
in the hospital and they can't use their
thumbs. Am I understanding this
correctly? No, probably the controller
thumb stick broke and now they want to
be able to play games
>> and they're stuck up in a hospital.
>> Yes.
>> What's a what's a good um in hospital
game?
>> I mean,
>> are they saying system? I think they
mean like a system like a Steam game.
>> No, games games.
>> Yeah, I would really I think I'd be
>> the last time I was stuck like in a bed
and couldn't move. My game was Breath of
the Wild and a big part of what I liked
about maybe that's part of why I liked
the open world of it so much was that I
was like stuck in bed.
>> Well, it's escapism, right? So, I I
would go to like the the classic
recommendations of like Balders's Gate
3, Expedition 33, uh Breath of the Wild,
something like that where it's an RPG
that you can get yourself immersed into
and feel like you're the character so
you can kind of escape the area that you
are mentally and go have. I like that.
>> Some fun. Yeah.
>> Hi,
Lyra like and Dominus. I know you like
the Pebble watch Lionus, but have you
ever tried the Instinct series of Garmin
screen with basic features and
incredible battery life? Long live
buttons. No, but I I definitely owe it a
shot. Um cuz people said of my Garmin
ShortCircuit that I like picked the
worst one apparently. Uh or like the
worst one for me. So I'm like, "Okay,
all right, all right, all right, all
right, Garmin fans. I will I will I will
give it another shot."
>> Why does that keep happening to you?
>> Um
oh, like upsetting fandoms,
>> just picking the wrong thing.
>> Oh, I I don't I don't know.
It it seems
>> I feel like the universe shouldn't
happen this often.
>> Yeah. Maybe the universe like like bends
around it.
>> You help picks becomes the wrong thing.
>> That's right. Yeah. I mean, you help so
many people find the perfect system or
the perfect product for them that all of
the the like negative karma comes back
around. It's like um you know, you're
giving your health to other people.
>> Yeah. I don't know. I'm in a mystic mood
this evening.
>> Thanks, Dan.
>> Couple more. Hello, LL and the D. Any
tips or warnings about moving somewhere
new for a job? I've never done it before
and the opportunity might show itself
soon.
I have never done that. Um, I really
admire the heck out of people who pick
up their whole lives and go somewhere
new and learn a whole bunch of new
things and meet a whole bunch of new
people. And uh
I've I've never had the drive or the I
mean even like the guts necessarily to
do something like that. Um
that's super cool. Um
give yourself credit for being
adventurous and give yourself time to to
give it a real shot to work out, I
guess, is the only thing that I could
really offer.
Last one I've got today. Has Luke played
Popia yet? A few months ago, he went
into a small rant about what he wanted
to see in a new Pokemon game, then
proceeded to basically describe Popia.
>> Really?
>> You have a switch.
>> I heard it was rated really well.
>> I have heard it's rated really well.
Emma's been trying to get me to play it.
I
maybe I've like wrote it off on graphics
too much. Maybe I should give it a shot.
I I just assumed it was just Animal
Crossing but with Pokemon. Am I Am I
being uh too reductive about this? It's
fun to watch people play.
>> I think so. It's a little more advanced
than Animal Crossing.
>> Okay. All right. Maybe I've been I
haven't really looked into it much. I
just Someone described it as Animal
Crossing Pokemon to me and I was like,
>> I think it's Animal Crossing Minecraft
Pokemon.
>> H
>> Minecraft
is interesting.
>> Yeah,
>> please. It's Minecraft Animal Crossing
Pokemon and it's so good.
>> Okay. The people throwing Minecraft in
the description loop there does make it
a lot more interesting.
>> I saw somebody made an underground
dungeon for a Mr. Mime and he is trapped
there.
>> That seems good.
>> That seems like the proper thing to do.
>> Yeah, you can put Epstein in the ground.
Um
>> Oh boy. And on that note, I think that's
the end of the show. Um we will see you
again next week. U make sure to
subscribe to the Land Show channel
because we're going to be transitioning
over there over the next little bit. So,
same bad time but like different
different channel. See you. Wow. Yeah.
See you there.
>> Bye.
>> I got to run guys. I got to get to the
airport.
>> Find us. Okay. See you. Okay. Bye.