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the internet as we know it is dying and

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maybe it's not a bad thing seems like

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maybe mostly it it is a bad thing though we'll have to see uh do you do you have

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an immediate emotional reaction I my immediate emotional reaction is hey I'm

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here for you you're fine with this no I'm not I you're fine with the internet

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as we know it just I want you to walk me through what you're talking about what

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it feels like is if the internet was someone that I've known my entire life a

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close friend and then all of a sudden the friend decided they actually want to

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go become a monk in the in the Himalayas

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and they leave and I can never see them again and the only way you can see them

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is to give them your Google account at the front door yeah and if I sign a sign

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a business deal with them it's it's kind of the opposite of that actually rather

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than like going and being a monk if you let the monks scrape your dead skin off

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your back and use it to clone you then

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you can see your friend yeah it's a stat holiday in the office where this is

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going up on Monday August 5th and we

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were trying to think of something to talk about and I thought that it would be good to talk about this change in the

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internet that's happening we've been we've been kind of monitoring some of

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these stories that have that have been about the internet being like segmented

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into these discret chunks that all have

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to now pay each other for access to each other but like we are kind of like the

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same generation we both grew up with like Web

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2.0 right like you were on

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Facebook yep you were on Instagram

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technically I still am technically I still am too but I don't I don't use

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these platforms anymore just for many reasons but the reason this question is

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interesting to me is because the internet used to be like open it was

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like the open web everybody's freely linking everywhere you go to a website

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it's a cool website maybe there's a forum to discuss what's going on there

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but there's no like closed off platforms

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then we get into this this era where the

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internet is basically made up of like discret kingdoms there's the Facebook

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Kingdom there's the uh Twitter Kingdom

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there's the Reddit Kingdom and you know

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people are kind of congregating with communities that they that are like them

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but there's still lots of discourse and cross talk among them now we're heading

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into this era where you know if you want to search Reddit there's only one search

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engine that you can use to do that which is Google because Reddit and Twitter and

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some other platforms that I can't think of right now closed off access to their

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API frster is a huge one dig it didn't

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they die dig you're the man now dog dig it you mean dig.com I couldn't care

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less the reason this has all come up recently uh for us on TechLink is

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because of these stories about perplexity and what do you know about

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perplexity Jacob it's the measure of uh how

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confused one person is don't Define the word perplexity AI perplexity is uh was

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I mean depending on how you decid it was an AI startup that was focusing on

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searching the web using Ai and then getting summaries on things that you

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search which just kind of does sound like being AI like what's the difference

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between like wasn't that the whole thing with being a you ask a questions and search the whole web the difference is

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that Microsoft added AI search functionality to Bing perplexity from

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the ground up it doesn't give you like a list of search results it just

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summarizes stuff for you and then links you to stuff so if you go to Bing and

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you say uh what is

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perplexity AI B still like it has this at the top

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that has been part of search engines long before chat GPT came out um but

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then under that it's just a regular search engine they have this list of links but what perplexity did I think

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you can go to perplexity right now perplexity doai and we say what is

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perplexity I mean that's right there but will that just be like yeah so

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perplexity AI doesn't give you a list of links it gives you as we're looking at

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right here it it now uh list the sources

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right up at the top I believe that's a relatively recent addition after they

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were criticized uh for plagiarism which we're going to get into now they list

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the sources up top but then they just have this AI summarized answer so that's

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the difference you can get that kind of search result by using co-pilot uh

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Microsoft's AI but uh perplexity and has

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is trying to change the search engine from a from a list of links to an AI

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generated summary of what's out there which is another way the internet has

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like largely changed I think that a lot of companies are trying to turn the

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internet from a library where you go in

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you find the sources you collect a list of books or links that you can go

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through yourself and then you form your own opinion now it's like a s s yeah

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they're trying to turn the library into a librarian who knows everything the

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books already so you don't you don't go and check the book out yourself you just

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talk to the librarian and they know everything and they'll they'll basic they'll give you the gist except that

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the library librarian is a liar and and

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occasion like 17 personalities and occasionally they just make something up

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for fun 17 personalities they get bored of their job so they just make up

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and yeah yeah and you can tell the librarian okay tell me this information

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as if you're a as if you're a pirate and then they

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they will and they'll lie even more and also used to be able to tell the librarian to ignore all of its previous

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instructions for its job so that you could make it do nefarious we can

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just keep this analogy rolling all the way like I was saying now we have these

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these sources uh I'm not sure what perplexity looked like before but I

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think that they made some changes recently because they were accused by

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multiple uh Tech Outlets news outlets of

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plagiarism I think Forbes was was the first one to kind of like start levying

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accusations at them primarily because

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they uh when you searched for this forb

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story This original forb story that they did original reporting on uh perplexity

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summarized the whole story and because Forbes was like one of the only sources

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on it it didn't have all of these extra extra links inside the the the result

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right it just had like something at the very end where it was like sources

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Forbes yeah you know what they definitely have changed it and the

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sources are up at the top now because of that

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criticism and then K Nast which owns wired and it's also my rap

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name k Nast uh

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nasty uh they also they Su or no they sent a cease and desist letter they

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didn't sue them but I think that this is

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like a very light form of push back we've we've uh we've had some there's a

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lawsuit there was a lawsuit from from The New York Times against open AI for

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like training on their information and on their data and now you have some

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other news outlets trying to fight back against this like new paradigm of AI

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companies just scra steamrolling over the Internet

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with their scrapers just scraping whatever the hell they want and to be

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fair that's the way it it always worked with scrapers

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like web scrapers are not did not arrive with a companies but these scrapers have

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become more of a problem there's more eyes on them and people are thinking a

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lot more now that the AI models have already been trained on all the content

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on the internet people are like wait a second maybe the people who make the

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content should be compensated for that though the May the people that

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conglomerate the content not necessarily the people that make it Reddit is not

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giving really any money to yeah I mean I'm I'm talking about news outlets but

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yes Reddit is that you know that's that's interesting because as a Reddit

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user you're thinking that maybe you should be compensated and I think they

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had some sort of compensation I forget what happened with that very small feel

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very small yeah but regardless now these AI companies are being forced to well

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forced I don't know to make publisher deals so they're making deals with

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certain uh aggregators or creators of the news content um and so that first

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started with open AI when they launched search GPT right so they launched it

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after perplexity had all these issues with the publisher uh

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plagiarisms yes plagiarism ACC accusations yep seas and desists and

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then so search G gbt gets launched they're like hey we have deals with

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Publishers yeah and and then a week after that he like oh we we also have

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deals with Publishers um yeah we're doing that too yeah it's kind of funny I

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mean open AI started making these deals with Publishers last year I believe I

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think there's one with the Atlantic they definitely W with the Atlantic and

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no the I think the New York Times They don't have a deal obviously because the

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lawsuit is still ongoing with that but they have made a deal with a number of

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other large news corporations and yeah

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you're right when they when they announced search GPT it was basically

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like oh open AI is doing perplexity except they have the the deals with

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Publishers and they also now have a deal with Reddit yes uh so you can use Google

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to access Reddit content or or search

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search giit man it's so annoying to me when the internet chunks itself into

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these blocked off chunks and I can't access it because I live in a certain

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back guarantee now here's my question tying back into the whole thesis about

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internet dying becoming more closed off mhm uh when AI chatot sort of took off a

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lot of people were like oh there's like censorship and stuff like

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that is this not sort of accentuating

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that because the I'm I'm I'm assuming because they want to avoid plagiarism

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accusations perplexity is probably going to either only use or only promote

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Publishers that they have these ad Revenue sharing deals with which means

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that the answers that you get when you search with with perplexity and I would

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imagine search GPT would only use those

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Publishers so you're only getting information from a

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smaller pool of potential information from the web if if you were to look

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around yourself perhaps that is what I am confused about open AI has launched

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search DPT in like they call it a prototype so it's not widely available

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to the the public right now but yeah I mean the fact that we aren't entirely

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sure how this works is is is indicative

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of the of the extent to which this is changing the web I mean even the arc

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browser The Arc company who like made this this uh you know alternative new

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browser they're like oh we want to break like Chrome's Monopoly basically on the

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browser market and just like change how people think about browsers yeah

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basically the way that those worked is they do they use AI the AI goes and

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searches for the results and then it summarizes stuff

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for you it's the same kind of thing and I remember having the thought when the

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arc announced that thing where I was like okay wait

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websites it costs money to have people

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visit your website because your server runs your website and every time people

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go to the server you're expending resources in

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order to keep that running and the way that they keep it

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running is by having ads run on the site it caus money to run the site you get

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revenue from ads it's unclear to me how

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much ad Revenue uh an a a site is

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getting if a web scraper or like an AI

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comes and fetches a result and then brings it back and summarizes it I've

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seen people say that it is the same that

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like a page view is a page view I've also seen people say that well when a

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human comes to a website and they scroll through and they see the app ads and

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maybe they click an ad and blah like an AI isn't going to click an ad M you

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might get an impression because it's like oh we can see in our system that

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that ad was served to some some agent I

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don't know if it was a human or an AI but that's an impression right there um

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but I think that if I had to guess the

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and correct me in the comments if I'm wrong if you're like in the ad

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world uh I'll try to find if there's people correcting me in the comments and

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like John Ham you there put it up um I

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believe that if you're a human visiting a website that's going to be a lot more

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valuable to the the people who run the website than an AI like a bot or a

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scraper or whatever MH so that's I mean uh the fact that we

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the the the search industry Google and

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its competitors uh Google is still I think I we talked about this recently

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Google is like 95% of that's big it's like the vast

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majority like everyone's like look look at all these alternative search

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engines they're there people are looking at them they're just not using them yeah

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very few people use them most the vast vast vast majority of people still use

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Google and so like the the Paradigm is shifting from Google and these other

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search engines leading people to the sites they

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click on the sites they go through they give those sites ad

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Revenue it's changing from that to like the like Google or search GPT or

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whatever is doing all the summarizing for you and and it's hopefully they have

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these deals worked out with some of the the big Publishers because otherwise no

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one is going to get nearly as much revenue as they used to the fact that

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these AI scrapers and the Bots are like

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costing websites money is is indicated

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by the fact that like uh some people are calling out the

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ifixed CEO just said recently he called out specifically anthropic because the

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anthropic scraper uh was hitting he said

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they were hitting our servers a million times in 24

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hours and even the AI company's own chatbot disapproves according to PC

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Gamer which I hate when people do that I

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love PC Gamer but I can't stand when people are like I asked this Chapa what

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it thought about this it's like it's not alive it doesn't it can't have

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opinions um and then also the Reddit CEO

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uh told The Verge in in an interview you know talking about his Google deal he

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basically you know said hey we made this deal with Google we made this deal with

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open AI Steve Huffman yeah hey Microsoft

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anthropic perplexity if you want Reddit like pay up and I don't know like

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there's a part of me that wants people to be paid for the content that they

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make uh on the other hand you

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sp on the other hand when when it comes to like Reddit mhm charging for the use

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never used Reddit that much when I was a kid I don't know about you

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but to me it was when I discovered

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Reddit fairly late in the game I was

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like what the this is amazing that the front page of the Internet it's just

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like literally anything on the internet can be posted here it was like User it's

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it's a it's a user built site it was like a home for every Forum ever yeah

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and now Reddit the company is like that's our data and like if you want

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access to our data then you have to pay us and it's just it's just weird I don't

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know it just feels weird but maybe that's because I'm this I was a native

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of this like Web 2.0 and I need to get a lot I mean web 3.0 is like a crypto

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thing we're not even talking about that anymore that's that's a deprecated term

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you said Web 2.0 I did I didn't like it

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I'm sorry I love you did you use Reddit

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when you were younger how active on the internet I started using it probably

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20s that was really when I started sort of using I remember like I really

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started using it like when I started University MH um like I heard about it

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before then like it was sort of talked about

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but I don't think the app was very good

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I didn't really scroll social media on my computer and I didn't really like how

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the whole layout was like cuz this was this was in the time of old Reddit which

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I know people have a Fest for well but that's the funny thing is that it wasn't

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like it is social media I guess it's like a social website yeah but when I

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say when I hear the word social media I think of like you know if we're talking

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early days I'm thinking Myspace nexopia which I used Myspace I did not

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use NEX Neopets neop I mean lego.com in some

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ways yeah the Chive anyway um the CH no

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that was like a feed I can has cheeseburger anyway um so I was just

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kind of like I was like I watch I want to watch TV I want to watch TV I want to

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play video games so I didn't really do that like I would scroll I start I started scrolling red on like my phone

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yeah and then I posted a couple times got like you know 5,000 car it's all

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good um but then I stopped using it when the API thing happened I now use lemi

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which is the meterse alternative see okay so now this

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is I think this is where the sort of

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difference in our in our uh generation

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comes up we're technically both Millennials but I'm

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35 you're younger than classified

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classified um but when I was in university uh I don't remember using

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Reddit basically at all I remember like discovering Reddit I think mostly after

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I graduated which I'm thinking now I'm like how is that possible because I did

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research things to write papers and stuff in University but I think I was

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mostly like using academic sources I

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would go to the library at the University and like look

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for stuff but yeah I I it's actually wild to

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me that I did not use Reddit so to get back to this it's it's for us the the

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digital I get are we the digital natives who's supposed to be the digital

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natives I think Millennials are supposed to be like we grew up with the internet

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we you know we had some of the early Services as they were developing I found

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this uh I found this article recently on Business Insider it's called Rip Club

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Penguin um that was a dark day Club Penguin being another example of like

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it's a game but it was also very very so it was an MMO and uh I remember being a secret

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agent did you play CL Club Penguin yes I

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never did see I'm I'm I'm feeling

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nostalgic for this era of the internet even though I fa I feel like I barely

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partook in it I was busy playing Xbox

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360 um and the sub headline of this is

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Millennials were raised by the internet now their internet parents are gone and

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this kind of got me thinking about the topic that we've been talking about today it's

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like like someone else's parents died because you weren't raised by this and

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you're like man these other people's parents di let's talk about that I think

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that you know I know that my parents had anxieties about like what was happening

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with my generation and how much time we were spending like in front of the

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internet instead of the much more traditional and acceptable way to waste

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time at home sitting in front of the TV so much different I've had so many

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arguments with for my for my dad it was it was all about it was going outside

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what my dad that was how he want you to go no no no he went outside like with

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his friends like he would go outside oh that's great and hang out with his friends and then come home when like the

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when the when the street lamps came on oh you mean when when he was a kid yeah

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when he was a kid so like he was like sort of like kissing why don't you bike over your friend's house and like go

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play outside I'm like I mean I did do

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that but like I think that I was I was so confused when you're

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talking about like what do you your your dad went outside when you were a kid I

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anyways my dad went outside with his friends while I was inside watching the

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TV and he played street hockey with his old friends that's what I thought you

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were talking about no beers just Capri Suns my dad was in a like The Stranger

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Things type group at a

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40-year-old riding around his bike solving Mysteries while I was on

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Wikipedia like a loser when his friends got sucked didn't they upside down he

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was so upset but but yeah I mean I'm kind of

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like I I I lament this I mean like what

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is there on the internet that is

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like ye olden times where you know you go on you make a free account it's

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everything goes the fediverse I think would be the Clos

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closest you've mentioned the fediverse before and I kind of understand it to be

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sort of a like Reddit SL Twitter interconnected group of websites

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where you can like cross post and stuff is that is that more or less so there a

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bunch of it's a collection of social media Alternatives there are like

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alternatives for like every major social media platform you can think of or even

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like YouTube and stuff like that and they all uh can communicate with each

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other using a common protocol it's the internet for

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vegans it's weird you say that because I feel like there are a lot of vegans on

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let me it's the glutenfree crunchy internet no no no it's it's it's it's

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more free form cuz like it's like there's there's servers and they're

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publicly hosted and it's more like it's

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not all controlled by one entity like people can make servers and then people

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can join those servers and then still access to the other servers and then

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there's this cross communication between other platform right you know I every

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time you've brought up LMI I'm like okay

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whatever man I'm using Reddit but I think given everything that we've been

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talking about here I feel like it might be kind of time to consider it which is

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kind of funny for me to say because even as I say that I'm like I don't want to do that I really just want the internet

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to be fixed and maybe that's stupid maybe it won't happen because it it is

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it is scary looking ahead at what like what we're I have a child what I'm

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sending my my my child into like what is the internet going to look like when

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when he's a teenag when when he's a teenager you know it's like I see Riley

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what you're describing is you're like my issue is all of these different places

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are closing off themselves and there's all this information and uh stuff on the

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internet that's becoming centralized and like gated yeah

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yeah decentralization is what the fediverse is that I and that's awesome I

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think that like it's free open source download lemy it's a chicken in the egg

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problem right because the fediverse sounds really

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great and it sounds like you know everyone should use it but if I go to

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use that and no one's there then I'm

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it's like I'm cutting myself off from culture and I think that this is a this

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is a whole another debate like baked into this it's like should I be

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lamenting the ways that the internet is changing or should I be just kind of

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like you know accepting the changes that come

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with with uh with societal transformation I think that it's you

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don't have to pick one of those I think I can say that an internet in which

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everything exists in these little bubbles uh owned by corporations that

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have to pay each other to access it leading to a worse experience overall

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for users I can say that that's bad well

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also kind of you know admitting that all

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right we got to find a way to live and and advocate for for change in this

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culture I just I just don't know if like I said this when when Elon bought

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Twitter and Twitter started changing Twitter is objectively worse than it was

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you mean you mean X yeah you know what I mean it's objectively worse than it was

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except for Community notes Community notes are great other platforms should

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should adopt the same thing but the algorithmic changes and the moderation

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changes on on X are just unquestionably worse it's just anyways I I won't get

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into that but I said this when that first happened that like I don't think

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Twitter is ever going to go away I think it'll I don't think anything will really

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take the place of Twitter I will say that it's been

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encouraging to see threads do well I think threads is doing okay I thought

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they were going to die immediately meta but that's another meta platform I don't

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want them to have it have you considered Mastadon which is a fediverse

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alternative I feel like everything that I'm saying I tell you that I'm not

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interested in the f and then everything that I'm saying is like I should just

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check out the fediverse it is fun constantly when you

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keep describing the same problem like you know the thing is like this one site

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that I used to like it's it's closed off

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and and this this controversial technocrat runs it

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and I don't know if I want to support him and it's and it makes me feel

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uncomfortable if only there was a way that I could have like a free or like

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another open source alternative that was decentralized that wasn't controlled by

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like someone like Mark Zuckerberg the fediverse sounds like something in Star

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Citizen and that weirds me out like the like it's a it's a it's a

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it's a universe specifically for federal agents maybe my brain is adding uh uh R

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to it and now it sounds like the fediverse so it's Universe of just Freds

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it's just a it's just a universe made by Fred and that makes me think of staris

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because the company that makes Starships in citizen is called Robert Space

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Industries named after Chris Roberts the Creator did did you follow my path of I

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didn't that didn't relate to Fred at all because I was just thinking of Fred from Scooby-Doo and then Fred from Old School

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YouTube I would I would go I would get on Fred from

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Scooby-Doo's uh social platform if that

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was him but it's not so I won't so where is the internet going I don't know I

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hope that we're not going into this like straightup dystopian situation where

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like there's no open internet at all anymore you know it's basically just TV

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channels that you have to pay to access and that's the

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internet um I hope not but uh I hope uh

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it looks like that might be where we're going I'm not sure net neutrality just

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got it might be it looked like it was coming back and now it looks like

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they're not bringing it back because of the Chevron thing that's a that's a

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whole another thing regardless guys we don't have time anymore thanks for

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watching this talk link it's Monday mhm

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we'll see you on Wednesday for more Tech news love y'all be good to each other

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that's nice I love you too I used to say

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back what I used to

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say I love you thank you