WEBVTT 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:08.080 you know what AMD fans i actually feel bad for you 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:10.800 for 10 years you've had to give your 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:17.199 hard-earned money to either Intel or NVIDIA or both if you wanted to build a 00:00:14.080 --> 00:00:20.320 top of the line gaming rig AMD just 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:23.039 hasn't been able to get both their CPU 00:00:20.320 --> 00:00:27.480 and GPU business units firing at the same time 00:00:27.680 --> 00:00:34.960 but perhaps that all changes today 00:00:31.599 --> 00:00:37.440 AMD stunned the industry as a whole when 00:00:34.960 --> 00:00:43.360 they unveiled their g-force rtx competitor the Radeon 7 just one 00:00:41.280 --> 00:00:48.719 month ago and then they stunned me in particular when it 00:00:46.160 --> 00:00:53.680 arrived in our office on time for their target launch date of february 7th 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:58.640 and isn't it beautiful it is and it's got RGB 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:03.359 but is it good enough to pressure NVIDIA to lower their higher than ever prices 00:01:00.879 --> 00:01:07.600 for enthusiast gaming gpus well we'll find out soon thanks to war 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:11.840 thunder the realistic free-to-play online game for sponsoring this video 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:18.330 check out the link below to get either a premium tank or aircraft and three days 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:23.319 of premium play for free 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:33.520 let's begin with the bad news for those of you who like living on the bleeding 00:01:30.479 --> 00:01:36.400 edge AMD's seven nanometer vega offering 00:01:33.520 --> 00:01:40.320 has no support for ray tracing nor does it have any kind of equivalent to 00:01:38.079 --> 00:01:43.520 NVIDIA's deep learning optimized tensor cores 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:48.479 now AMD has said that they're looking into implementing something similar to 00:01:45.759 --> 00:01:53.439 dlss super sampling in the long term using microsoft's new direct ml API but 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:58.399 only time will tell if they get that done and what kind of performance hit 00:01:56.320 --> 00:02:03.920 we'd be looking at what we've got here is actually if you look closely it's right 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:06.479 in the name basically a die shrunk and 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:09.759 optimized vegas sequel but 00:02:07.520 --> 00:02:12.959 that's not necessarily a bad thing let's take a closer look 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:17.920 right out of the gate it's clear that AMD considers cooling to be of the 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:25.120 utmost importance while the previous gen vega 64 used a blower design the Radeon 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:27.360 7 rocks three cooling fans on a large 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:32.640 not to mention heavy vapor chamber cooler just like its rtx competitors 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:37.680 speaking of which not only is the Radeon 7 a taller card than the rtx 2080 that 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:42.000 AMD has positioned it against it's also got twin 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:45.920 8 pin pci express power connectors to allow it to suck up more juice come to 00:02:44.480 --> 00:02:49.120 think of it that's kind of weird normally die shrinks come with a power 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:54.000 savings ah right so 00:02:51.760 --> 00:02:59.040 as far as we can tell they basically put their entire power budget savings 00:02:56.560 --> 00:03:04.560 towards cranking the clock speeds up on this thing interesting so okay then an 00:03:01.920 --> 00:03:08.959 overclocked and evolved vega i can dig it did they do anything else 00:03:06.480 --> 00:03:13.519 to differentiate it from last gen oh right 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:16.720 yeah they did how does double the hbm2 00:03:13.519 --> 00:03:19.280 memory at double the bandwidth sound to 00:03:16.720 --> 00:03:26.000 put that into perspective the Radeon 7 has faster memory than any of the gtx 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:31.040 titans or rtx titans for that matter but will that massive memory bandwidth and 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:35.040 significant core clock increase make up for the loss of a handful of stream 00:03:32.720 --> 00:03:40.000 processors and will its resulting overall performance make up for the lack 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:45.599 of ray tracing or tensor cores at this price to find out we've brought out both 00:03:42.720 --> 00:03:51.200 our Intel and AMD gaming test benches to pit it head to head against not only the 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:53.360 rtx 2080 and 2080 ti but also the vega 00:03:51.200 --> 00:03:57.920 64 to see just what impact those compromises had on the card's 00:03:55.440 --> 00:04:03.599 performance so as is tradition by now AMD seems to do worse in directx 11 00:04:00.480 --> 00:04:05.760 titles than NVIDIA but maintains an edge 00:04:03.599 --> 00:04:11.599 or trades blows with team green whenever directx 12 is in play which extends to 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:14.480 far cry 5 and especially cs go where our 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:18.560 rtx 2080 gets beaten by a pretty significant margin when we throw 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:24.080 synthetics into the mix we see a reversal of the directx 11 and 12 00:04:21.359 --> 00:04:27.600 performance from earlier which come to think of it is why we stopped 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:31.440 using synthetic benchmarks years ago i mean this isn't even this isn't even 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:34.000 representative of real world performance Anthony was the one who brought them 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:38.479 back i think i'm gonna have a word with them when we're done this video about 00:04:35.919 --> 00:04:43.600 just killing them again once and for all anyway moving on to productivity we've 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:46.720 got more tradition with AMD's Radeon 7 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:49.360 pulling ahead of even the 2080 ti in 00:04:46.720 --> 00:04:53.919 longer blender renders while falling far behind in v-ray in luxmark the 7 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:57.840 straight-up embarrasses NVIDIA across the board but then in spec view perf 00:04:56.080 --> 00:05:02.080 which gives us a broader look at its workstation chops we've got a game of 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:07.680 leapfrog going on so workloads that are particularly memory hungry like kittia 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:13.840 energy medical and siemens nx show pretty strong wins for AMD that in some 00:05:10.400 --> 00:05:15.440 cases again eclipse even the 2080 ti 00:05:13.840 --> 00:05:20.320 while NVIDIA takes the crown and workloads that require raw compute 00:05:17.840 --> 00:05:25.280 strength sometimes again by broad margins when we look at thermals 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:29.280 things get a little interesting now traditionally GPU temperatures are 00:05:27.440 --> 00:05:34.479 measured by a sensor at the edge of the die and this is the temperature we're 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:36.880 showing you guys right now but AMD has 00:05:34.479 --> 00:05:42.880 actually doubled the number of sensors on the Radeon 7 and both the fan speed 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:48.240 and boost controls are mated to what they're calling the junction temperature 00:05:45.039 --> 00:05:50.720 with a target of 110 degrees celsius so 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:56.000 the tl dr then is that the junction is the highest reading out of all 64 00:05:53.520 --> 00:06:00.400 sensors and they claim that by doing things this way they can squeeze more 00:05:58.080 --> 00:06:05.199 efficiency out of the GPU unfortunately that also means that the 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:09.759 fans begin to ramp up much sooner than you might be used to at a junction 00:06:07.039 --> 00:06:13.520 temperature of 95 degrees AMD does say though that you can 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:16.960 increase this to 105 in their watman software without any risk of damaging 00:06:15.520 --> 00:06:21.199 the card speaking of wattman we found that we 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:25.360 couldn't really push the core clocks up at all without running into issues with 00:06:23.280 --> 00:06:30.960 either early thermal throttling or general instability so this supports our 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:35.120 pre-overclocked hypothesis but we will have to wait for more mature drivers and 00:06:33.440 --> 00:06:39.199 for partner boards with more robust power delivery before we can say 00:06:36.880 --> 00:06:45.280 anything conclusively so verdict time then 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:46.560 given our results and the Radeon 7 700 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:53.919 price tag we're kind of inclined to agree with NVIDIA ceo and curiously dr lisa sue's 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:59.280 uncle jensen huang it's a bit underwhelming yes for the 00:06:56.319 --> 00:07:05.280 same price as a reference rtx 2080 you get similar performance in traditional 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:06.479 games but NVIDIA's overall feature set 00:07:05.280 --> 00:07:12.720 is simply more robust maybe you don't care about real-time ray 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:17.280 tracing or maybe you don't care about g-force experience or maybe you don't 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:21.440 care about NVIDIA's superior hardware h.264 encoder 00:07:19.280 --> 00:07:26.639 but take it all together odds are you'll care about at least 00:07:23.919 --> 00:07:31.599 one of NVIDIA's features so in our minds then the Radeon 7 needed to beat the rtx 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:36.240 2080s price not match it and the frustrating thing 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:41.280 is that if it weren't for the massive hbm2 frame buffer they probably could 00:07:39.039 --> 00:07:47.280 have the word on the street is that just shy of half of the cost of this card is 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:51.360 in that 16 gigs of memory that depending on the game might never be utilized more 00:07:49.919 --> 00:07:55.759 than 75 now if we had to guess we'd say what 00:07:53.599 --> 00:08:01.440 probably happened here was that rather than re-engineering a gaming tuned card 00:07:58.479 --> 00:08:06.479 with 8 or 12 gigs of memory and i don't know more stream processors or something 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:12.000 AMD recycled their enterprise compute card the Radeon instinct mi 50 which 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:16.639 would also explain the excellent productivity numbers whatever the reason 00:08:14.080 --> 00:08:23.199 though that compromise means that while the Radeon 7 is an excellent maybe even 00:08:19.919 --> 00:08:25.280 ideal card for content creators by day 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:30.000 gamers by night or really anyone who uses opencl a fair bit 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:34.959 the value proposition against team green is merely 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:39.279 okay for pure gamers don't get me wrong this gives us a 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:44.640 choice in the market for sure and i'm i'm super glad that AMD released it 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.640 today it's just not quite the price or 00:08:44.640 --> 00:08:52.560 performance disrupter that we were all hoping for in the wake of NVIDIA's stiff 00:08:49.680 --> 00:08:56.160 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