1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,560 Unless you make a habit of living under a rock, 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,080 or if you're just not that into gaming, that too, 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,160 you've probably seen the headlines, 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,560 AMD FreeSync working on GeForce cards. 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,020 And it's true, but there's a catch. 6 00:00:16,020 --> 00:00:19,580 So the current methods for enabling FreeSync 7 00:00:19,580 --> 00:00:21,660 on a GeForce graphics card 8 00:00:21,660 --> 00:00:26,460 require you to also have an AMD GPU in your system 9 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:30,060 that is capable of supporting FreeSync itself. 10 00:00:30,060 --> 00:00:32,960 So today's video then has us trying it out 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,060 to see if it's worth the hassle 12 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:39,340 to save money on a G-Sync monitor. 13 00:00:39,340 --> 00:00:41,580 And while we're at it, 14 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:44,960 we were thinking maybe we'd try to run G-Sync 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,980 on an AMD graphics card. 16 00:00:57,660 --> 00:01:00,020 Rosewill's new Prism S500 case 17 00:01:00,020 --> 00:01:02,500 lights the way with its array of RGB fans, 18 00:01:02,500 --> 00:01:03,480 tempered glass panel, 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:04,280 and spacious, 20 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,200 and you can even use it as a display in the interior. 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,520 Click the link below to learn more. 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,040 So let's start with how this works. 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,840 There are actually two different ways to go about this. 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,400 There's the GPU way and the APU way. 25 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,840 So we'll be using the APU method for the uninitiated. 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,600 And APU is AMD's name for a CPU 27 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,520 that has a graphics processor built into it. 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,400 Now, normally, as soon as you install 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,040 a dedicated graphics card, 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,700 your onboard graphics gets disabled, 31 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:35,800 when you can use this. 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,740 But for what we're doing, 33 00:01:37,740 --> 00:01:41,100 we actually need to force the Vega 11 GPU 34 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:44,920 that's built into our Ryzen 5 2400G on. 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,540 So we're gonna change IGFX multi-monitor to enabled, 36 00:01:48,540 --> 00:01:51,420 and we are going to set the primary video device 37 00:01:51,420 --> 00:01:53,820 to our onboard graphics. 38 00:01:53,820 --> 00:01:55,780 Let's go ahead and reboot. 39 00:01:55,780 --> 00:01:57,420 Now, while we wait for that to happen, 40 00:01:57,420 --> 00:02:00,720 let's talk about what's going on under the hood here. 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,580 If you watched our gaming on Linux video a little while ago, 42 00:02:03,580 --> 00:02:06,880 we showed a piece of software called Looking Glass 43 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,260 that Wendell from Level 1 Techs was using to game 44 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:13,460 with very low latency in Linux 45 00:02:13,460 --> 00:02:16,940 by running the game effectively in a virtual machine 46 00:02:16,940 --> 00:02:20,520 that was running Windows and then capturing its output. 47 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,040 TLDR, the API that Windows is using here is called DXGI. 48 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,520 And what it does is essentially mirror the output 49 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:32,540 from one card to another with very little delay. 50 00:02:32,540 --> 00:02:33,480 Though, there is no delay. 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,160 There is still a delay. 52 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:36,300 So as you can see here, 53 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:39,360 we've already got our GeForce driver installed and working. 54 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:40,680 So the next thing we need to do, 55 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,300 we've already downloaded it here, 56 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:46,080 is install the drivers for our Radeon graphics. 57 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,220 Now that our Radeon drivers are installed, 58 00:02:48,220 --> 00:02:51,300 which, yes, is working correctly, 59 00:02:51,300 --> 00:02:54,240 we need to change our display configuration 60 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,100 a little bit here. 61 00:02:55,100 --> 00:02:58,660 So what we want is our FreeSync monitor 62 00:02:58,660 --> 00:03:01,650 plugged into our onboard graphics, 63 00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:03,870 and we want nothing plugged 64 00:03:03,870 --> 00:03:06,630 into our GeForce graphics card. 65 00:03:06,630 --> 00:03:07,750 One cool thing, by the way, 66 00:03:07,750 --> 00:03:10,210 is that because of the way that this works, 67 00:03:10,210 --> 00:03:13,190 in theory, we could actually do the same thing 68 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:15,870 with Intel's upcoming integrated graphics 69 00:03:15,870 --> 00:03:17,530 with FreeSync support. 70 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:19,990 That's not confirmed at this time yet though. 71 00:03:19,990 --> 00:03:22,690 So now that all of this is done, 72 00:03:22,690 --> 00:03:24,810 we can go into our display settings. 73 00:03:24,810 --> 00:03:26,850 Then on the bottom, 74 00:03:26,850 --> 00:03:30,650 we're going to see an option here for graphic settings. 75 00:03:30,650 --> 00:03:33,550 Now, all we need to do is add whatever we want to run. 76 00:03:33,550 --> 00:03:35,330 We want to run here. 77 00:03:35,330 --> 00:03:37,790 Okay, so now we go into options, 78 00:03:37,790 --> 00:03:41,990 and then we just need to set our graphics preference. 79 00:03:41,990 --> 00:03:44,450 So we're going to set that to high performance, 80 00:03:44,450 --> 00:03:45,950 right about here. 81 00:03:45,950 --> 00:03:48,150 See, here's our power saving GPU. 82 00:03:48,150 --> 00:03:50,190 Here's our high performance one. 83 00:03:50,190 --> 00:03:53,350 Now, when we launch this demo, 84 00:03:53,350 --> 00:03:59,340 theoretically, FreeSync technology will work. 85 00:04:00,630 --> 00:04:02,030 We can actually test it too. 86 00:04:02,030 --> 00:04:03,450 Check this out. 87 00:04:03,450 --> 00:04:05,490 So let's go ahead and, 88 00:04:05,690 --> 00:04:08,160 turn AMD FreeSync off. 89 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,720 Oh, we got to turn V-Sync off for one thing. 90 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,680 Okay, there we go. 91 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:13,580 That's more like it. 92 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:18,540 Now let's turn FreeSync off and boom, there's our tearing. 93 00:04:18,540 --> 00:04:20,000 Let's go ahead and do an FPS sweep 94 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,220 so we can get some really nasty tearing there. 95 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:23,930 Yep. 96 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:33,980 Now let's turn FreeSync back on. 97 00:04:33,980 --> 00:04:36,040 Okay, so let's try Counter-Strike. 98 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,060 So V-Sync's off. 99 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:40,700 Let's see how smooth this is. 100 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:45,800 So in theory, this DXGI thing only adds about one to two 101 00:04:46,220 --> 00:04:48,540 milliseconds of additional lag. 102 00:04:48,540 --> 00:04:50,760 So for the people out there claiming they can feel 103 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,320 the difference, okay, maybe, 104 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,040 but you're probably super human because at 60 frames 105 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:00,440 per second, that is, what does that work out to? 106 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,100 Wait, oh wow, this feels like ass. 107 00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:05,620 I think this is running on the wrong GPU. 108 00:05:05,620 --> 00:05:09,450 So it's a little kludgy for every one of your, 109 00:05:09,450 --> 00:05:11,190 there we go, for every one of your programs, 110 00:05:11,190 --> 00:05:12,830 you're going to have to actually change that. 111 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:14,710 Let's see if we can just re-maximize it 112 00:05:14,710 --> 00:05:16,980 and it'll run on the right one. 113 00:05:16,980 --> 00:05:18,420 Yeah, that super did not work. 114 00:05:18,420 --> 00:05:20,060 Let's try relaunching it. 115 00:05:20,060 --> 00:05:22,220 There we go. 116 00:05:22,220 --> 00:05:23,760 That's more like it. 117 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:24,600 All right. 118 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:29,570 I am getting a frigging mess ton of tearing here. 119 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:30,770 When you're running FreeSync, 120 00:05:30,770 --> 00:05:33,270 are you supposed to enable V-Sync within the game? 121 00:05:33,270 --> 00:05:34,420 Yeah. 122 00:05:34,420 --> 00:05:35,920 Oh, well there's our problem. 123 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,420 Also the developer console isn't enabled, crying out loud. 124 00:05:39,420 --> 00:05:41,820 One problem with CSGO though is that it's not demanding 125 00:05:41,820 --> 00:05:44,260 enough for us to dip below 60 frames per second. 126 00:05:44,260 --> 00:05:46,580 So it's not really giving us a benefit over just running V-Sync. 127 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:50,320 Other than theoretically a little bit less lag. 128 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,200 So what we're going to do then, 129 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,660 is we're going to fire up Deus Ex Mankind Divided. 130 00:05:54,660 --> 00:05:56,620 Can really tell it's much smoother. 131 00:05:56,620 --> 00:05:59,450 Wow, I suck. 132 00:05:59,450 --> 00:06:00,450 All right. 133 00:06:00,450 --> 00:06:01,610 So here we go. 134 00:06:01,610 --> 00:06:04,430 Now we are right in the sweet spot 135 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:06,830 where we're going to be benefiting from our FreeSync display 136 00:06:06,830 --> 00:06:10,090 where we're not quite able to maintain 60 frames per second, 137 00:06:10,090 --> 00:06:14,370 but we're right in that 45 to 50 FPS range. 138 00:06:14,370 --> 00:06:15,770 What kind of annoying thing about this game 139 00:06:15,770 --> 00:06:18,030 is it has some on-screen effects 140 00:06:18,030 --> 00:06:21,050 that kind of look like tearing, but we are not, 141 00:06:21,050 --> 00:06:24,980 oh, see like that, but that's not that, that's me dying. 142 00:06:24,980 --> 00:06:28,370 I can't believe that this is working. 143 00:06:28,370 --> 00:06:30,650 Like this just blows me away. 144 00:06:30,650 --> 00:06:31,490 Okay. 145 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:34,130 So remember how I said that because of the way this works, 146 00:06:34,130 --> 00:06:37,950 we could in theory use Intel's iGPU for FreeSync 147 00:06:37,950 --> 00:06:41,290 with an NVIDIA card actually churning through the frames. 148 00:06:41,290 --> 00:06:44,210 Once those come out, that got us thinking, 149 00:06:44,210 --> 00:06:46,710 what if we did it the other way around? 150 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:48,530 What if you're on team red? 151 00:06:49,050 --> 00:06:50,710 Like a Vega 64, 152 00:06:50,710 --> 00:06:55,720 but some baller new gaming monitor is only available 153 00:06:55,720 --> 00:07:10,090 in a G-Sync flavor. 154 00:07:10,090 --> 00:07:11,290 Wow, that happened so fast. 155 00:07:11,290 --> 00:07:12,690 I didn't even get a chance to show you guys. 156 00:07:12,690 --> 00:07:13,570 Check this out. 157 00:07:13,570 --> 00:07:16,310 So as soon as we plugged it in, boom, 158 00:07:16,310 --> 00:07:18,290 G-Sync display connected. 159 00:07:18,290 --> 00:07:20,060 What? 160 00:07:20,060 --> 00:07:21,560 So we'll go ahead and fire that up. 161 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,500 Enable G-Sync, enable G-Sync for all the things. 162 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:29,060 Now all we have to do is the same process, but in reverse, 163 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:32,300 going into our graphic settings and going, okay, CS go. 164 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:34,140 We don't want high performance. 165 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:36,320 We want power saving. 166 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,880 Now we can launch Counter-Strike. 167 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,580 And in theory, we'll be running G-Sync 168 00:07:44,580 --> 00:07:46,480 for our NVIDIA graphics card, 169 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,040 but we'll actually be rendering with our onboard graphics. 170 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:54,040 Now that wouldn't make a lot of sense in this case, 171 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,960 but if you were running something like a Vega 64, 172 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,800 and then you just installed like a GeForce 950 or something 173 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:02,960 in another slot, you couldn't do that. 174 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:03,800 You couldn't do that. 175 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,600 You could make it work. 176 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,580 Whether or not you should make it work 177 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:09,700 is another question though, 178 00:08:09,700 --> 00:08:14,700 because unless someone automates this GPU switching process, 179 00:08:15,580 --> 00:08:19,440 it is a bit of a pain in the butt, at least at this time. 180 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:23,320 And it's not that cost-effective 181 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:28,540 because one way or another, you will have to have two GPUs. 182 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,120 Would you look at that? 183 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,000 It feels a little laggy, 184 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,060 but that's because we're running at 33 frames per second. 185 00:08:35,060 --> 00:08:36,340 There's no tearing, 186 00:08:36,340 --> 00:08:39,600 and it's as smooth as it could be given the situation. 187 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,500 Now, one way that you could make the solution make sense 188 00:08:42,500 --> 00:08:45,300 would be if you had some old compatible hardware 189 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:49,240 lying around, or actually maybe if you're team green 190 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,020 in terms of your gaming rig, 191 00:08:51,020 --> 00:08:53,500 but you wanted to hook your gaming machine 192 00:08:53,500 --> 00:08:56,680 up to one of Samsung's FreeSync TVs, for example, 193 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:59,600 because until BFGDs actually make their way to the market, 194 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,540 there are no large format G-Sync displays. 195 00:09:03,540 --> 00:09:05,040 That could be pretty cool. 196 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,780 But in most cases, 197 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:08,820 you'll probably end up spending 198 00:09:08,820 --> 00:09:11,100 more than you are actually saving 199 00:09:11,100 --> 00:09:15,160 or very close for what isn't an amazing experience. 200 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,240 The real takeaway is that we shouldn't have to do 201 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:19,580 any of this. 202 00:09:19,580 --> 00:09:22,620 FreeSync and VESA Adaptive Sync 203 00:09:22,620 --> 00:09:25,140 are both industry standards at this point. 204 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:28,560 And NVIDIA, if you're listening, 205 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:31,220 we're not saying that you need to ditch G-Sync. 206 00:09:31,220 --> 00:09:35,160 We know that you guys have special green G-Sync socks, 207 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:36,220 that you pour on it, 208 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:39,540 that makes it a little better in your opinions. 209 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:40,980 Personally, I haven't looked 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