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We secret shopped them. They shipped. And now it's time for us to solve the

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mystery of which PC gaming company

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offers the best out ofbox experience. We'll be looking everywhere for clues.

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How long did they take to arrive? What's included in the box? Was the box

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protective enough for the dangerous shipping process? And at the end, we'll

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be ready to crown a winner and a loser. What is this doing

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hundreds of data brokers because only you have the right to own your data. Why

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don't we open up with one that's bound to be amusing, my dear Plson? Good old

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Dell. Good's a strong word. According to our case file, we're

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off to a very good start here, receiving our system just two full business days

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after we placed our order online. We also get a one-year warranty that is not

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just remote diagnosis, but apparently includes on-site

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service. The box issues any frills like

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full color printing, but is extremely high quality. And you can tell that Dell

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has a lot of experience moving systems around the world. Not only does it have

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dual corrugated layers, but it is extremely thick and the paper layers on

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both sides give it exceptional rigidity. There are a couple of others that are

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quite similar. Star Forge may be on par. As for HP, well, they're close, but no

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cigar. You know all about dual layers, don't

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you, Lilock? Dual layers. The backpack.

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Oh, he solved the mystery of how to hurt my feelings. I'm not expecting too much

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in terms of accessories. And I got it. They've even

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costed down your classic C13 power connector. It has slightly less copper

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in it. Stargazer brand. That is the cheapest C13 I've ever seen in my life.

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Wi-Fi antenna. It's nice that the system has Wi-Fi, although it's less of an

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exceptional feature these days than it was the first time we did a Secret

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Shopper. And that's it. No keyboard, no

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mouse. Dell has finally come around to the idea that after 50 odd years of the

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personal computer industry, we probably already have a keyboard and mouse

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kicking around. I actually consider that to be a

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plus. Oh, I don't consider this to be a

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plus, though. This is a reasonably high quality foam, but I don't like to see it

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in this day and age. It's completely non-recyclable. This will just live in a

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landfill forever. Now we get to take a

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look at the system itself. Years ago, Dell moved beyond boring beige boxes,

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and now they're bringing them back. This

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is XPS. Do you remember when XPS systems

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looked cool? It's more gray than beige. It doesn't look like a gaming computer.

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No, but but it looks like a computer. She also didn't sell us a gaming

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computer. We bought an XPS. I don't mind

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having a peel, but this is a really

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annoying one. With that said, the front IO actually kind of outstanding. Four

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USB ports, two of which are charging optimized, one of which operates at 10

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GB per second. We also get a headphone microphone combo jack and an SD card

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reader. Plenty of ventilation on the front, the side, and at the back with a

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120 mm exhaust. And then our rear IO is

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Wow, we get a 20 GB USBC port here, as

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well as full 5.1 analog audio for all

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six people who are using it. Our Wi-Fi antennas don't take up any of our

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limited IO space. And it appears that opening up the chassis is as simple as

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unlocking this one captive

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screw. And yes, it is. Huh. Oh, look at that. Nice little

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guide for how to install a GPU or power

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supply or hard drive. That'll save them some service calls. Coming over to the

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inside. Wow, do I ever like this GPU mount. It uses a combination of these

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plastic pieces on rails and this metal extension to basically prevent it from

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going anywhere in shipping. I'm extremely confident in this. So far, my

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only complaint though is that they didn't have a little sticker on the back for the motherboard IO. Ah, yes. It's an

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elementary thing they could have done better. That's right. Unfortunately,

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there's another thing that immediately stands out to me, and that is the single

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16 GB stick of 32 gigs. So, they weren't

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even cheaping out. No. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. I actually had

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trouble finding 32 gig single sticks at

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this speed and everything, like just sold individually when I was trying to

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figure out pricing for all the different systems, cuz no one would buy that. you

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would get 216 gig stick or 232,

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but DDR5 does work a lot better in single

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stick configurations. I'm not saying it's perfect, no, but it's not as bad as

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DDR4 days. He is right. But what he

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won't be able to defend is this power supply. Dell has gone to 12vt only power

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for their motherboards, which is good for efficiency, but bad for

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intercompatibility. So, when it comes time to upgrade this thing, which you

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will need to given that it is only a

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460W unit, you will have to get a specific Dell power supply. A lot of the

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other things are intercompatible, though. Look at that. Nice little

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courtesy connectors for a hard drive upgrade, SATA power, and data. Two

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easily accessible M.2 slots, one of which is open for future upgrades.

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Interchangeable Wi-Fi card. And would you look at that? A second courtesy

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connector for a potential second hard drive upgrade. That's really nice. Wish

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I could say the same about the CPU cooler. That could hurt them when it's

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time to test thermals. Overall though, I

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kind of like this package. It's well constructed. Ease of use is very high as

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long as you uh don't want to upgrade the proprietary motherboard or power supply.

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and they should have one of the best performing CPUs out of the bunch as long

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as that single stick of memory doesn't kneecap it. All right, why don't we move

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on to Main Gear. One last thing while he

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brings that down is we tried to build an identical system on PC Part Picker and

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without making major compromises to the specs or features simply weren't able to

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do it for the same price, even ignoring the cost of a Windows license. That

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doesn't mean that we would normally choose this exact spec, but it does mean

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that we at least weren't getting ripped off on the hardware. This does not look

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as promising. It took 9 days to reach us. We've got a downgraded CPU, a

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downgraded GPU, and we actually spent a

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little bit more overall. We still get a 1-year warranty, and we get an RGB

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exhaust fan, but only, excuse me, 16 GB

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of memory, albeit in dual channel mode. Let's take a look at the packaging. Ah,

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you know what? I think Main Gear gets pretty good grades for their packaging,

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too. It was hard to tell because of the way that it's cut at the edges, but

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that's a really nice box. Ooh, and they've got that fancy chemical

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expanding foam as well. Zero points for environmental friendliness, but massive

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points for being willing to spend on your packing material. And would you

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look at this? Are they trying to impress me? The whole system is double

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boxed. Calling it right now. Zero damage

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to the main gear system.

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Whoa. Something still managed to almost kick all the way through it. Oh, too bad

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I already made that call. If only video editing existed. Look at that. Like that

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weak ass kick was going to make it through this chemical expanding foam in

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here. Hey, very nice. Builder QA final

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inspection. Love to see it. Also, this

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really sets the boutique builders apart from the tier 1's. BIOS flashing. Latest

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drivers. Love it. That's probably why it took 9 days to get here.

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More foam. Oh man, that's a nice foam.

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Look at that bounce.

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Oh, that doesn't count as damage. Before

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we check out the system, let's have a look at the accessories. We've got a

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couple cute little stickers here. Decent quality power cord. Thank

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you, Main Gear. Or should I say MSI, who makes the power supply that's included

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with this system. By the way, that is a big difference between this and our

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Dell. It's a 650 W unit, which should give us some room to grow. A lot better

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than a 460 W unit. In this little

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baggie, we've got all the random little bits and

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pieces that came with any of our hardware. RGB controller and a battery

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for it. Moving on to the system. IO is

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pretty strong. We lose out on one of those USB ports and that SD card reader,

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but we've got a little bit more USB at the back, which is nice to see. Also

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love to see all the ventilation back top and front. There's a little gap around

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there. magnetic front plate here that reveals

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three 120 mm cooling fans. And now

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without further ado, let's go ahead and pop off the side panel. Now, it is worth

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noting that this is the MG1 Silver. And Main Gear actually reached out to us

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after we placed our order offering us the MG1 Gold, which was technically

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within our budget, but we didn't take it because, well, we don't normally factor

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in shipping. It was $177 with this unit.

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And they over budget before we even do

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the upgrade. Yeah. And the upgrade would have put it just at around like

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1385,400 right at the top of it. So they would have effectively have had 10% more

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budget compared to anyone else. Yeah. But we do really appreciate the offer. I

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mean, hey, it's nice to come in with a deal after the fact. They've already made the sale. I can see why their

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shipping is so expensive. They spend this much on their packing materials and

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the system works. or well maybe the system works. I haven't

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actually tried it yet. What are we looking at here? Total of four cooling

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fans, one RGB, what looks like an OEM Cooler

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Master tower cooler. Much more robust

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looking than what we saw in the Dell. Dual channel memory. I'm still

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disappointed with the spec, but what I'm not disappointed by is the expansion.

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Compared to the Dell, which only had one PCIe slot available, this one has three.

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Although it is worth noting they're not as impressive as they look. Those are

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16x physical slots, but they're only wired up for PCIe by one electrically.

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There's a 3D printed bracket that I didn't notice before. I don't know if

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that's providing much support for the GPU, but it's certainly not providing

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zero support for the GPU. As I would

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expect, superb build quality from Main

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Gear. My goodness, does this thing ever look nice. But there is one little thing

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that I would argue that they overlooked. There are two PCIe Gen 4x4 slots on this

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motherboard. One of which is pretty easy to access up here. That's where they

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installed my SSD. And the other of which is under my GPU. If they'd put my boot

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SSD under the GPU, I wouldn't have to remove my GPU in order to upgrade. There

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is a third slot down here, but that one operates off the chipset, and it is a a

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slower slot. Unlike Dell, we were able to beat Main Gear's price with a DIY

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system by about $150. But it is worth noting that a DIY

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system wouldn't include Main Gear's lifetime tech support, which from our

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experience has been pretty good, at least in the past. We'll find out if

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it's still good a little bit later in the series. Who should we move on to

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next? Maybe we'll finish off the top shelf with Cyberpower. Cyberpower it is.

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Let's do it. This one could be a little more

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interesting. See, Cyberpower actually cancelled our order because they thought

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we were scammers. Yeah. Which we kind of were. You know, when you buy six

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computers on one credit card over the course of 2 days using someone else's

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credit card, it raises a few flags cuz we didn't want anybody to know it was

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us. Yeah. Um so they canceled it. We got the email. I was out Monday, Tuesday, so

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I didn't get it until Wednesday. And then by the time we went to go order it

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Yeah, that box is bad. Um, by the time we get went to go order our new

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computer, that one was sold out. And so, we went with the next cheapest thing,

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uh, which is now also sold out. So, here's the plan. We're going to test

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both the original configuration and the one we ended up with and give you guys

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kind of a price to performance number for both, even though there are a couple

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of little differences in the configurations. Okay, what do we got?

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You got a keyboard. You know, the box would have been okay if it didn't completely fall apart. And this foam is

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great. This is some of the best foam we've seen so far, which it better be

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because they're relying on a single box and single foam piece to keep the system

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safe and also keep our included keyboard and mouse safe. This is our first

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included set of peripherals. Let's go. You know what? Let's start by unboxing

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these. As far as free included keyboards go,

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it's mushy, but like I mean, it's got RGB, I'm sure. Yeah. And you know, you

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know, how's the mess? These clicks are

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okay. Sure. These ones. On-site tech support. Ooh, they

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got a nice little guide to how to take off the side panel, take out packing

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materials, where to plug GPUs in. Never

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into the DVI port. Clearly, this

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documentation was done a while ago. We also get our nicest C13 power cable yet.

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She's the same gauge, but nice and flexible. Look at that.

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She's almost moldable. Wi-Fi antenna. And that's about it. That's what I want

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to see on all of these. It's a single sticker and it just makes it super

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obvious. Like, no, don't plug your monitors into that. No, plug it in way

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down here. But there's nothing. Wait, nothing.

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What? Okay. Well, that went a little It went a little too far. But like,

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whatever. Look, if you're going to idiot proof it, you got to actually idiot

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proof it. That is the cheapest case we've seen

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yet. Cheaper than down little OEM Cooler

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Master Affair. Well, yeah, we only get two USBAs on the front. Oh, we do get a

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tempered glass side panel, though, and what looks like ample ventilation. This

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whole thing is perforated, and we've got top vents with what looks like a

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removable mesh. Well, there we go. as well as a 120

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millimeter rear RGB exhaust fan. All

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right, let's take out Oh, wow. This is an That's an Wow, that's an aggressive

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stick. Oh, it leaves residue. It left residue on my mesh. Why

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Cyber Power? Why? Do not like that. Oh. Oh, it's all

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over here, too. Look at

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this. The sticker comes with some downsides. Okay, but it's worth the

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headaches later. Hey, comes with a three-year labor

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warranty, though. What does that even mean on a

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computer? You ship it back, they work on it. No cyber power, please. Reasonable

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rear IO before we get into the insides. Dude, I don't think this foam in here is

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supporting anything. Watch. I can move this GPU and

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it doesn't move the foam.

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Oh. O. Whoa. That's a lot of RGB fans

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included. Three in the front, one in the back, and oh goodness sakes. Is this

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another 4068 gig?

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Yikes. 2 terb of storage to go along

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with our 16 gigs of RAM, though. Wait,

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is that another single stick? 14th gen Core i5. This time

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around, it's notable that not a single one of our system builders was using an

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Intel Core Ultra. Other than that, there's not too

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much to say here. Let's have a look at the build quality on the back

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side. Not bad. Good. Even no courtesy cables,

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though. That's a really nice inclusion from Dell if you ever want to throw in a

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hard drive. And on that note, there's only a single M.2 slot available for

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expansion that way. It's weird though because other than that, it seems like a

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pretty featured board, including dual front USBC connectors, neither of which

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we're using. And then adding to the weirdness, there's no USBC on the back

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either. I don't have super high hopes for this one, but at least it's got

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enough storage to install a handful of modern games. How'd it do compared to PC

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Part Picker Plon? This one was easy to beat at $1,200. That's the listing,

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right? But we only purchased it. It was on sale for 1,000 bucks. Oh, so it's a

00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:30.080
lot harder, but I think if you check it out. Yeah, we've managed just over a

00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:35.520
grand. The problem is Windows licenses, right? So, we can't beat it technically.

00:17:31.919 --> 00:17:39.440
No, not on sale. Let's move on to our

00:17:35.520 --> 00:17:42.400
next suspect, Mr. Packard. Hulet. Mr.

00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:45.280
Hwlet Packard. Well, Mr. Hwlet and Mr. Packard.

00:17:44.080 --> 00:17:48.280
We don't need to split hairs. Elementary.

00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:55.919
Uh, HP was a major headache. Um, they canceled our order twice. What? Yeah.

00:17:54.240 --> 00:18:02.960
When you buy a lot of computers with the credit card fraud. Ah. And it doesn't

00:17:59.600 --> 00:18:05.280
help that Miss Katesson put her name as

00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:09.520
the billing address instead of her grandmother's name. The worst part is

00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:13.440
they canceled it. I reached out looking for our order because we didn't get a

00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:17.360
notification. What? They just canled it without telling us. They just canceled

00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:21.679
it without telling us. And then after I worked with an agent to reorder the

00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:26.960
computer and verify it's all good, they canceled it again. And there was another

00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:30.480
lack of notice. So I had to reach out a second time and confirm what was even

00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:36.640
the problem with our order and why it got cancelled in the first place and why we never got a notification. I complain.

00:18:33.520 --> 00:18:38.880
I was very mad. But look at this

00:18:36.640 --> 00:18:44.240
eco-friendly packing material. Yeah, that's true, actually. It's beautiful.

00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:49.200
Wow. That'll break down. Yeah, this is great. I mean, once we got the order in,

00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:54.720
it came in only four business days. I don't like that it's a big plastic bag.

00:18:52.320 --> 00:19:00.559
Yeah. Wait, what? They did the nice foam cardboard stuff and then they got this

00:18:56.320 --> 00:19:01.919
giant plastic bag. Oh, what? How do you

00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:07.039
Oh, this is how they want you to take it out. I would not trust that plastic. I'm

00:19:04.080 --> 00:19:10.720
sure it's fine. Like, it's probably I get it. I get it. It's strong enough,

00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:16.960
but I would not feel comfortable. It's smart enough. And gosh darn it, people

00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:20.240
like it. I I don't It's a reference. He

00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:23.280
gets it. By the time our order was

00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:25.120
finally actually placed, it came in at

00:19:23.280 --> 00:19:28.559
$300 cheaper than the original. They gave us a sale discount, but I said, you

00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:32.640
know, in terms of price and performance, this is weeks later from us trying to

00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:36.960
place the original order, so I'm keeping the original price. Got it. That makes

00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:40.960
sense, cuz that's a more fair apples to apples

00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:47.440
comparison against the other systems. Pretty solid IO, though. Got a type-C on

00:19:43.840 --> 00:19:50.320
the front. Actually nice feeling build

00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:56.000
quality, too. Tempered glass. I do like this. Yeah, it feels really

00:19:52.880 --> 00:20:00.120
solid. Lots of ventilation everywhere.

00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:02.400
That is a pinner looking GPU, though.

00:20:00.120 --> 00:20:09.280
Yeah, but you know what's nice? It's going to be really easy to take it out,

00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:13.799
pop the lock on the PCIe slot. Yes.

00:20:09.280 --> 00:20:15.919
No 7.1 audio jacks, though.

00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:20.320
No, that's okay. It's got mic and headphone. Who cares? It's fine.

00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:25.520
I realized I missed going over the accessories because I just missed them.

00:20:23.520 --> 00:20:30.400
This is it. You get a quick start guide, which refreshingly actually refers to

00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:35.120
this specific system with actual pictures of this chassis. So, that's

00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:39.720
kind of cool. And you get a power cable with this adorable little interrogation

00:20:37.840 --> 00:20:43.280
sock on the end. What? I'm a detective. What? How am

00:20:42.080 --> 00:20:49.120
I What am I How am I supposed to interpret this? Set them free.

00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:52.960
Now, are you ready to talk? I don't think Sherlock Holmes interrogates

00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:56.280
people like that. Ooh, captive thumb screws on the side panel. Won't be

00:20:54.960 --> 00:21:00.600
losing those. Not that I would lose them, and

00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:06.400
if I did, I'd find them because I'm a

00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:12.240
detective. And lots of cooling. This is refreshing for an OEM system. dual 120

00:21:09.360 --> 00:21:17.280
mm fans in the front, an adequate enough looking stock cooler, and a single 120

00:21:14.480 --> 00:21:21.280
mm in the back. Not the most amazing cable management, but nothing that's

00:21:19.360 --> 00:21:25.039
going to functionally harm the system. And it's reusable, so you can kind of

00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:30.400
undo these cable ties, redo your wiring, and then cinch it back up. Uh, did they

00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:35.600
leave a courtesy cable for me? It looks like they might

00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:37.280
have. Ah, yes, they did. both power and

00:21:35.600 --> 00:21:42.480
data in case I wanted to add a hard drive after the fact. Thank you very

00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:46.159
much for that, HP. Also, wow, got a

00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:48.080
whole RGB and fan control hub in here.

00:21:46.159 --> 00:21:51.440
That is not something to be taken for granted at this price point. And you

00:21:49.919 --> 00:21:56.000
can't take for granted good specs either. This was the first system that

00:21:53.919 --> 00:22:00.400
we were able to dramatically beat in price on PC Part

00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:05.120
Picker. Pretty much across the board, this is a class losing configuration.

00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:10.080
They managed to use dual channel memory, but just 16 gigs of it. They've got the

00:22:07.919 --> 00:22:14.159
same 1 TB of storage as almost everybody else, but the secondary slots's really

00:22:11.840 --> 00:22:19.280
hard to reach under the GPU. They use standard MATX and ATX style motherboard

00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:22.559
and power supply, which is great when you need to upgrade because you're

00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:27.280
probably going to need to cuz that's just a 500 W 80 Plus bronze power

00:22:25.520 --> 00:22:32.799
supply. Meaning that if you ever want to upgrade this RTX 4060, which is on the

00:22:30.320 --> 00:22:37.200
lower end of our configurations, you might need a new one of those. I mean,

00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:42.799
hey, it's got a swappable Wi-Fi slot. There's got to be some redeeming quality

00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:45.760
here. They threw in free shipping, but

00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:49.840
only a one-year warranty. Man, I think it's time to move on. Let's check out

00:22:47.360 --> 00:22:54.640
the I by Power. You want to do I by Power? I do. Okay. That's kind of cool.

00:22:52.320 --> 00:22:58.720
They put all the specs on the outer box. Yeah. This is the one that we had to

00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:01.840
order from Amazon. They said, you know, we don't have any, but you can buy it

00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:05.360
from Best Buy or Amazon. Here's the kind you want, the trace mesh. Best Buy

00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.799
wouldn't send it to us cuz we're across the border. Amazon did send it to us,

00:23:07.120 --> 00:23:12.799
but we picked it up from, you know, Blaine. It'll be interesting to see how

00:23:10.320 --> 00:23:15.760
customer support goes. They do have support for systems not bought directly

00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:19.039
through Cyberpunk. Oh, yeah. Look at that. First thing you see when you open

00:23:17.600 --> 00:23:22.799
it up, thank you for your purchase. Here's a quick start guide and reach out

00:23:21.280 --> 00:23:27.440
to us for support. Here's our phone number. Perfect. I think they're

00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:31.360
probably one of the most improved over the span of Secret Shop. Really? Yeah.

00:23:29.679 --> 00:23:35.760
In the early days, they were pretty like, yeah, we throw parts into a box

00:23:34.080 --> 00:23:41.919
and um this looks really professional.

00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:45.120
Decent shipping box, nothing amazing,

00:23:41.919 --> 00:23:47.440
but good foam. And you can tell the box

00:23:45.120 --> 00:23:52.880
is obviously bespoke because it has the exact specs of our system right on the

00:23:50.080 --> 00:23:56.559
outside of it. So, either they do such volume that they're ordering these from

00:23:54.320 --> 00:24:00.559
third parties preprinted, or they actually do box printing in house. I'm

00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:04.000
not sure which. Five business days for delivery. Though, realistically, that

00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:08.480
comes more down to Amazon than it does to IY Power. And a pretty barebones

00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:14.000
accessory package, but we got a power cable, SATA

00:24:10.600 --> 00:24:16.360
cable, and a Wi-Fi antenna. Oh, man.

00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:21.039
Wait, where the hell was the HP's Wi-Fi antenna? It had Wi-Fi. You know what? It

00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:27.200
doesn't matter. I'm over the HP. I've moved on to new friend. Do not return to

00:24:24.600 --> 00:24:32.159
store. Contact tech support. They really want us to contact tech support. Don't

00:24:29.360 --> 00:24:35.200
worry, I buy power. We will. Probably the biggest difference between this year

00:24:33.360 --> 00:24:39.200
and last year so far at least is the lack of keyboard and mouse. Yeah, we got

00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:44.360
one, I think. Yeah. From Cyberpower. Last year, almost everyone sent one.

00:24:46.080 --> 00:24:54.880
Oh, speak of the devil. No,

00:24:51.320 --> 00:24:58.400
no. You were the chosen one. I by power

00:24:54.880 --> 00:25:01.120
responsive plunger key. The hell does

00:24:58.400 --> 00:25:05.000
that mean? Hey, there's an anime girl with devil horns on the in the middle

00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:09.720
though. You know it's for gamers. That's very usable.

00:25:09.919 --> 00:25:14.320
Is it better than the cyber power? The price is right.

00:25:13.120 --> 00:25:19.840
I think it is better than the cyber power. And yeah, it does seem sturdier.

00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:21.760
very usable. Yeah, mouse feels cheaper.

00:25:19.840 --> 00:25:26.080
It's funny because the OEMs used to be the kings of unnecessary bloat in your

00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:30.799
package. Like you literally couldn't unselect a keyboard mouse if you wanted

00:25:27.840 --> 00:25:36.559
to. And then now it's like the mid-tier PC builders that are going and creating

00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:36.559
the more valueoriented

00:25:36.760 --> 00:25:47.360
package. Oo, that's not good. Oh, there goes my

00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:48.880
Oh boy. Oh, I buy power. Uh-oh. Oh,

00:25:47.360 --> 00:25:54.640
where do we start? They've got one of those expanding FOMO

00:25:50.760 --> 00:25:56.880
magigs. Uh oh, shoot. No, no. I H. Now

00:25:54.640 --> 00:26:01.760
I'm just g Now I'm discombobulated. Let's start with the IO, even though the

00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:05.039
case is now open. Top IO, two USB 3s, a

00:26:01.760 --> 00:26:06.559
type-C. Love to see it. Hey, they've got

00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:13.440
your favorite sticker. Let's see if it leaves a bunch of residue this time. Yes, it's not going to leave residue.

00:26:10.320 --> 00:26:18.000
I'm calling it now.

00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:19.799
Parfait. Totally good. Oh, I buy power.

00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:27.600
What? What? What? An elementary mistake. Look at the rear

00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:28.640
IO. This cable. Oh, I mean, I fixed it

00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:33.120
pretty easily, but it was covering the PS2 port. The rear IO is very solid.

00:26:31.679 --> 00:26:38.000
Everything you could want, including a PS2 port that with a quick fix, we are

00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:43.400
able to access. Miraculously, this tempered glass side panel did not get

00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:45.600
damaged. Hey, they've got another good

00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:49.919
sticker. They don't let you plug in the power until you have seen their warning

00:26:48.080 --> 00:26:54.520
about the instructions. I didn't really need it, though, cuz my phone came with

00:26:51.840 --> 00:27:02.159
classic easy remove action. Triple 120 mm RGB fans in the

00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:04.559
front. Another 120 mm fan in the back.

00:27:02.159 --> 00:27:10.640
What looks like some kind of rebranded Hyper 212 alike. Nice mounting mechanism

00:27:07.360 --> 00:27:12.480
on there and really solid cable

00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:16.000
management. Man, if the side panel hadn't come flying off the case right as

00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:21.840
we opened it, I'd be having a really good experience so far. Even this one,

00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:25.520
the screw is loose. I wonder if this is just a symptom of being shipped multiple

00:27:23.600 --> 00:27:31.279
times. Once to the reseller and then once to me. Man, what is up with all

00:27:28.159 --> 00:27:33.279
these RGB hubs and fan hubs and stuff

00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:39.120
these days? Give the people what they want. Yeah, no kidding. Oh, wow. How

00:27:35.840 --> 00:27:40.880
that? Ooh, somebody cranked this zip tie

00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:44.799
tight and just about ripped this connector off of here, though. Nice

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:49.679
standard components across the board, though, including a pretty solid

00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:55.760
full-sized ATX motherboard with dual M.2 slots, the expansion of which is easy to

00:27:52.080 --> 00:27:59.530
get at. Although, oh, that's a whoopsy

00:27:55.760 --> 00:28:02.039
by power. Where's my M.2 mounting

00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:08.960
hardware? It's not in here. They didn't give me the extra screw and they didn't

00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:14.559
pre-install it for me. How am I supposed to put an M.2 in there? Tape it down.

00:28:11.399 --> 00:28:19.360
No. Three PCI expansion slots, including

00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:21.279
one PCIe by4. And is that 32 gigs of

00:28:19.360 --> 00:28:24.320
dual channel memory running a little slower than the others, though. That

00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:29.919
could hurt them. Although, they'll probably make up some ground with that

00:28:26.120 --> 00:28:31.720
14700F CPU. Uh, my GPU is not on the

00:28:29.919 --> 00:28:35.080
sheet. It's a 4060. Okay. A lot of that going around

00:28:34.320 --> 00:28:41.399
this time. Oo, a two TB SSD though. Lots of

00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:46.080
storage, twice as much as the competition. Egods, we've deduced

00:28:44.320 --> 00:28:52.000
something off camera. After double-checking our invoice, it seems we

00:28:47.840 --> 00:28:55.760
ordered a 4060 Ti and 1 TB of storage,

00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:57.919
not a 4060 and 2 TB of storage. We

00:28:55.760 --> 00:29:01.760
reached out first to Foravor Electronics, our Amazon third party

00:28:59.760 --> 00:29:06.640
seller, but they never got back to us. So we contacted I by power directly who

00:29:04.080 --> 00:29:11.840
informed us that for favor is in fact not one of their authorized resellers

00:29:09.360 --> 00:29:17.120
and they implied that they may have done this on purpose.

00:29:14.760 --> 00:29:22.480
Scoundrulous. I by power suggested we initiate a return on Amazon but instead

00:29:19.520 --> 00:29:27.440
we'll simply also be testing this PC in both configurations.

00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:30.880
This isn't quite I by power's fault, but I do believe they should have informed

00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:35.440
Miss Katesson who the authorized resellers were if they were going to

00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:39.760
send her to an authorized reseller. Back to the

00:29:37.399 --> 00:29:43.600
investigation. Who the hell is High Power? It's apparently 80 plus gold

00:29:41.840 --> 00:29:47.320
certified and it doesn't immediately feel like garbage, but I don't have a

00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:53.039
lot of familiarity with this particular brand. Overall, good package. Speaking

00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:57.919
of packages, how about a system from someone whose logo looks like one? A

00:29:55.440 --> 00:30:04.559
two-part file on this one. That's always a good sign. Four business days for

00:30:00.919 --> 00:30:06.559
delivery across the board. Good delivery

00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:11.840
times this year. So, there's a part shortage, but only for good stuff that

00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:14.279
people want. For RTX 4060s, you can get as many of them as you need, as fast as

00:30:13.360 --> 00:30:22.360
you want, cuz Yep. And we got another No, we

00:30:18.080 --> 00:30:24.640
didn't. Star Forge went radon for their

00:30:22.360 --> 00:30:30.440
graphics. This could be a different result. Oh, excellent packing materials.

00:30:27.919 --> 00:30:36.600
Well, at least the box. Let's see this foam. Oh, excellent packing materials.

00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:42.799
Double boxed. There's no way there's anything

00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:45.240
wrong with this thing. I'm calling it.

00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:50.480
Oh, look at those accessories, too. They included my stuff. Because

00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:54.880
that's the thing, anyone who's using custom components is going to get all

00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.919
these accessories, right? It's just a question of whether they actually

00:30:56.080 --> 00:31:03.679
forward it through to you. So, where the heck's my M.2 screw I by power. Sorry, I

00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:11.880
only want to keep that. You hear the weight of that box?

00:31:07.919 --> 00:31:11.880
That's a quality box.

00:31:12.360 --> 00:31:18.080
Well, decent front IO, single type A,

00:31:15.600 --> 00:31:22.159
single type-C headphone microphone combo jack. Decent again, 2 and 1/2 gig

00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:26.159
networking. Do like to see that these days, especially for a system that could

00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:32.000
be geared towards content creation given their pedigree. Good looking cooling,

00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:34.880
dual 120 mm RGB fans here, a single in

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:40.080
the back. Quality Fantex case with a tempered glass side panel, tempered

00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:41.840
glass front panel. man, especially

00:31:40.080 --> 00:31:46.000
considering this was one of the more affordable of our systems. If anything,

00:31:44.080 --> 00:31:50.159
we probably underspent on it and we should have gotten the Horizon 3 Pro.

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:53.760
But the only difference is that one has an upgraded GPU. So, we're kind of

00:31:52.159 --> 00:32:00.960
thinking we'll look at both configurations when we do our performance testing. We'll just swap the

00:31:57.120 --> 00:32:03.919
GPU out ourselves for a 7700 XT. Let's

00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:09.039
go ahead and crack this open. Overall, man, pretty decent looking config. They

00:32:06.399 --> 00:32:14.720
didn't cheap out on any of the classic places where you cheap out. 650 W power

00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:18.880
supply. Expanding foam all over the inside of the system to keep things safe

00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:24.440
and it doesn't just immediately fall out so you can tell it's actually supporting

00:32:21.320 --> 00:32:27.279
anything. Oh yeah, buddy. Oh yeah,

00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:32.279
buddy. Called it. These guys know how to pack a

00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:36.080
system. Uh

00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:38.000
oh, this one doesn't come out. Oh man,

00:32:36.080 --> 00:32:44.360
look at the way it's yanking on this cooler, man. Oh, what a nice cooler.

00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:46.519
Best-in-class cooler for sure. But

00:32:44.360 --> 00:32:50.640
um Oh boy, I can't remove this without cutting

00:32:49.360 --> 00:32:54.080
it. Oh yeah, I didn't look at my accessories yet. Whoops. Okay, maybe the

00:32:52.399 --> 00:32:59.519
quick start guide tells me to go get a knife and cut this apart. Power cable

00:32:56.399 --> 00:33:01.559
and Wi-Fi antenna. But I I hear other

00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:07.559
things in here. I hear things. Okay. Extra modular cables for

00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:09.320
my power supply.

00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:15.840
And what? They removed the ILM. That is

00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:19.519
weird. This is nice though. They pre-installed the M.2 mounting hardware

00:33:17.919 --> 00:33:22.880
for me. And over here, they've got what appears to be a courtesy cable because I

00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:26.320
don't believe this configuration has a hard drive. And there's definitely a

00:33:24.399 --> 00:33:30.840
SATA plugged in there. All right, let's figure out how to get this bloody foam

00:33:27.840 --> 00:33:30.840
out.

00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:37.679
Oh god. Oh wait, no. Maybe it's okay.

00:33:35.120 --> 00:33:43.200
Okay. Yeah, I think we're good. Pretty darn nice looking build. Oh. Oh. A.

00:33:41.760 --> 00:33:51.200
You're going to have infinity mirror fans and you're not going to remove the peels for me. Dude, look at all this

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:56.080
thermal goop. It's like oozing out from under the

00:33:53.320 --> 00:33:59.360
Oh, that is something to note is even if you have a one-year warranty with your

00:33:57.679 --> 00:34:03.039
system integrator, some of the individual components may have

00:34:01.600 --> 00:34:08.800
additional warranty coverage. For instance, this Tforce memory from I

00:34:06.159 --> 00:34:13.520
believe it's Team Group, right? Yeah. This has like lifetime warranty on it,

00:34:11.200 --> 00:34:17.119
assuming that it's not an, you know, OEM only special skew for system builders

00:34:15.520 --> 00:34:21.760
that has less warranty or something like that. Um, and if they're using retail

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Intel CPUs, for instance, those have a three-year warranty. So, it's in your

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best interest if a system integrator doesn't do anything that would violate

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those warranty terms. Oh, speaking of the RAM, how much is

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there? Dual 8 gigs, but hey, at least it's dual channel. 1 TB of storage this

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time from Kingston. Nice cable management in the back. Nothing to

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really stand out as a cut corner in here, as expected. There's my courtesy

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cable and they included all of the mounting hardware for our case. That is

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a major major bonus because if I ever

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want to do any kind of maintenance, boom, I've got everything I need exactly

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where I would expect to find it inside my computer. Dude, this is going to be a

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cont. It's not touching anything right now, but these exposed leads should not

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be here. if they accidentally contact metal short. Aside from the couple of

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weird things, it's looking pretty good for

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Star Forge. And this looks like a good time

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to tease the next episode, which is going to be contacting everyone's tech

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support. What kind of issue should we fabricate this time? What if the GPU

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doesn't seat properly and it doesn't output anything? What if it doesn't?

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