{"video_id":"_CbOi4pYLT0","title":"One New Product and a LOT of Excuses","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2017-05-06T14:53:29Z","duration_s":272,"segments":[{"start_s":0.08,"end_s":5.68,"text":"Linus Tech tips coverage of computex 2016 is brought to you by the Corsair","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":3.679,"end_s":9.28,"text":"lap dog the portable gaming control center that lets you use a full-size","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":7.12,"end_s":14.559,"text":"Mouse and mechanical gaming keyboard on your couch as well as MSI so here we are","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":13.24,"end_s":19.8,"text":"in the noct TOA Booth where they are showing off a product that has been","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":16.56,"end_s":23.32,"text":"three years in the making this my","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":19.8,"end_s":27.519,"text":"friends is the unnamed 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lap dog at the link in the video description and thanks to MSI as","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":253.879,"end_s":260.639,"text":"well who's showing off their agis X desktop here at the show as well as","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":258.199,"end_s":264.16,"text":"their GTX 1080 gaming x8g got that Linked In the video","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":262.56,"end_s":267.32,"text":"description as well don't miss any of our computex coverage by making sure","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":265.56,"end_s":273.919,"text":"you're subscribed to lus Tech tips so hopefully you know where that button is","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":268.759,"end_s":273.919,"text":"and I will see you guys again next time","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0}],"full_text":"Linus Tech tips coverage of computex 2016 is brought to you by the Corsair lap dog the portable gaming control center that lets you use a full-size Mouse and mechanical gaming keyboard on your couch as well as MSI so here we are in the noct TOA Booth where they are showing off a product that has been three years in the making this my friends is the unnamed unlabeled successor to the nf12 fan and we don't know much about it other than that it is a balanced blade design so they're saying it's going to be perfect for radiators and heat sinks and that it has been an absolute to manufacture and the reason for that is that in order to achieve the well a few things so the air flow noise and reliability that they're going for they needed 0.5 millim of clearance between the blades and the outside of the frame the problem with that and uh our my friends that knock to us said that this was news to them too is that fans as they spin over time actually flatten out so in their reliability testing the blades were hitting the damn frame so it has been a complete nightmare to get the tolerances close enough to have a true successor to the nff 12 but they say they're close so hopefully it's happening pretty soon what they also have here is a way of improving the look of your existing Noctua heat sink so this doesn't look like it normally would no these are chromax covers so they're kind of these stealth metal covers that you can put over top of your existing nhd15 or your existing nhu 12s and they've got a couple of different variants they're showing off they've got a plain one and one that it looks like will be a bit more expensive with these little colored arrows that show through and that will ship with all of the chromax colors in the box so you can swap them out as you wish well hold on a second lonus I don't want to shroud for my heat sink Noctua hasn't released a heat sink like a performance heat sink in a million years what do they sit been on ass all day and the answer as far as I can tell is yes yes they do no I'm just kidding while they didn't bring any actual upcoming product they did bring a lot of excuses so these are five prototypes of different fin designs some that we've seen from noct toz competitors of Elsewhere in the market that basically demonstrate that yes we are looking into it but there's a variety of reasons to do with boundary layers and free streaming air and the speed of the air right next to the fin being significantly slower than further away from the fin which hurts thermal transfer and blah blah blah we we're trying all these things but the truth is compared to a flat fin they just don't work that well so in theory copper aluminum composite fins would help to spread out the heat more and would allow you to solder the fins directly to the heat pipes saving that nickel layer that would be a well a thermal barrier in practice it's very much more expensive and makes pretty much no difference we're talking 0. one of a degree they've also got an offset split fin design that breaks up that boundary layer halfway through each of the heat sink layers again the actual backflow from this design as well as this scoop so kind of like what you would put on the hood of your car this flow duct scoop design creates a situation where you actually have to throw so much more RPM at the problem that yes you're getting more performance but you're also ending up with a noisier product which as you guys are probably aware Noctua is not really that d for this guy right here they actually had a lot of Hope for this is oblique Groove patterns and has to do with kind of when the air gets sucked into a Groove It exits at a higher velocity and they figured maybe that would help but nothing conclusive so far and finally little you know golf ball type indentations and I think you've pretty much got the story so far so there you have it they have a better fan that they're finally bringing to us and that may actually if they can figure out how to make this one signal the solution to the problem with that active noise cancellation one I showed you guys two years ago and a bunch of excuses so thanks again to Corsair for sponsoring our trip to computex 2016 make sure you check out the lap dog at the link in the video description and thanks to MSI as well who's showing off their agis X desktop here at the show as well as their GTX 1080 gaming x8g got that Linked In the video description as well don't miss any of our computex coverage by making sure you're subscribed to lus Tech tips so hopefully you know where that button is and I will see you guys again next time"}