uh okay so have we actually been
streaming anything because we've been uh we've
been here the entire time live stream's
not on what the [ __ ]
um and I really don't know what's going
on because twitch is telling us we're streaming okay online online online to
be live back online how long were we gone
for okay so we're looking at the twitch chat right now like um how how long were
we how long were we gone for half an
what 26 minutes no way no way we just started
yeah I just saw Harrison he's watching he said you just
started we've been talking for like 25 minutes thinking we were live um uh here
is exactly what xplit looked like we
were we were streaming very much streaming and
apparently that was not U that was not a
thing that was working for us
so okay yeah apparently we were never
live but I thought I I thought I read someone saying something about something
that explains why when we were started already someone said we were one minute
late cuz I didn't think we were yeah
that's hilarious we were on time this week I know we were actually on time
this week so looking at um here sort by
sort by date where's our 2
one so we only have a five Meg file for
our initial attempt to stream I
think so we were live for oh no this is this is now that we're
back already so okay sorry guys um
you're on a weird scene there you yeah
we're here what have we talked about so far we talked about SSD update that we
filmed at work today okay well why don't we start with that because
like oh okay it's okay so here guys we're
sorry we're late we had no idea we were late we turned on streaming and then we
were like we were going so we weren't doing any Twitter questions or anything
like that we had absolutely no idea that
we were not live at any point in time during the last uh during the last 25
minutes so really really sorry about that uh let's go ahead and put Twitter
back up there minus the stream is not
streaming finally live uh okay so we'll start that explains why when I checked
um when you went to go get your boots I went up to check Twitter and there was
two tweets and I was like why aren't you guys tweeting lus everybody tweet lonus
and then no tweets came in right yeah
you know it's funny because I thought we had no technical difficulties tonight we
had audio working we had video working I'm actually getting kind of sick of
xplit xplit says it's streaming and just
isn't that's what pisses me off I mean
okay yeah we have 1,700 viewers now if I'd looked and seen that we had zero
viewers still 25 minutes into a live stream but sometimes it takes a really
long time to update right I mean I wasn't watching it and it sucks to be like oh is everything okay he oh yeah
it's okay and then keep talking like it should just
work the crazy thing is when I was doing that one little random streaming test
yeah um I had to start xplit and then
stop it and then start xplit and then it would work it would never work on we've
never had this problem before no I know but upstairs I see that's okay so those
of you who are wondering why we always have problems it's always a different
problem that's the issue every time we have a problem and we fix it then we're
like yeah we know for next time and then we're all like fist bump don't worry we
got this next time and then it's like something different like one of the days
um one of the one of the XLR uh what's one of the XLR inputs on the XA 10
camera is dead so one of the days that happened while we were trying to film a
live stream so we're like everyone's like no audio no audio the port died how
are we supposed to know we always use that Port the port died what do you want
me to do for reference it's the port that's closest to the back of the camera
by default you just shove it in that Port all the time because this makes most sense and it wasn't a software
thing we even had diesel look at it after the fact I mean that's part of the
problem too is it's usually me and Slick doing this not diesel so okay we had a
long day of shooting NC Tech tips today so we got a bunch of cool episodes done
one of them was we did a new SSD update so this time we're talking about the
Samsung 840 and the Samsung 840 Pro so
if you guys don't know already basically these ssds are balling um or less
balling but like a good value um so the
840 Pro is pretty much as fast as it gets it's got a fiveyear warranty um it
sat a top our performance charts y if I recall correctly uh and I mean it's just
it's Samsung everything about it is Samsung so there's an inherent sort of
trust level there I think that comes along with that and it just straight up
looks good oh yeah Samsung's really good at making good looking stuff and their
ssds are just beautiful yeah it's just like got a nice uh sort of metal finish
on it and then it's got one orange spot and and black and orange is like pretty
that's sort of pretty boss yeah it just looks good yeah and then the 840 what's
special about that is not so much the performance Crown it still performs
really well but it's the first consumer SSD to use TLC flash now TLC flash was
traditionally USB drive territory because it wasn't reliable enough to use
in a performance application so while it does suffer a bit in terms of right
speeds are you just checking the uh twitch chat uh yeah oh crap we don't
have an echo do we it doesn't look like
it okay are you sure doesn't look like
it okay because I see a thing here that
AIO oh nothing we can do about audio pops right now I don't think hello
everyone um so it's the first one to use TLC flash which means that higher higher
densities um lower prices in the longer run as well as Samsung's claim that what
they've done with this drive is they validated TLC flash to the point where
it's usable in a performance application so read speeds are still outstanding but
WR speeds are a little bit slower however the thing to be aware of is that
if you're a gamer or a general desktop user the odds that even 20% of the
operations that you do on an SSD are rights it's like that and most of your
rights are going to be big ones like games or programs yeah where it's like
okay um so okay a disc a long discuss we
had before we realized absolutely nobody was watching it was uh Slick's challenge
to me that I should tell him my favorite
piece of what okay software well we were talking about random stuff and I kind of
we were talking about ssds so whenever I talk about SSS I'm thinking about new
computer builds so what one I would want to put in different price computers and
whatnot whatnot so then I started thinking about Nite and Nite is my
favorite program so I asked him what his favorite program was well hold on what you said before was piece of software
yeah I M n night is not really a piece of software it's a script would you call
a a piece of software would you call a script
software oh come on that's like me saying that I had a really cool uh you
know washing machine because it has like a programmable cycle and so that's my
favorite piece of software is the software on the washing machine okay
that's completely different how is it completely different All Nite does it's
not just a script also how is it not just a script they program in specific
stuff for each one that's why they don't just have a bajillion you could have a
script that programs in specific of course it has script but there's also
core software to it a UI is not a script
okay but an installer is not necessarily A UI there's still a UI to
it I think the I think the I think the washing machine example holds because
that software someone coded it it's not
just peer scripts it has a UI okay so is your favorite program your washing
machine my clothes wouldn't be clean without it is your favorite program your
washing machine no but that's my point is your favorite program can't be Nite
any more than my favorite program can be my washing machine that's ridiculous
it's not ridiculous come up with a real program it's a program why don't you
think about one that's like a legitimate program you
programista okay cuz you asked piece of
software yeah I would not consider like
the uh you know the macro functionality on a mouse to be a piece of software
okay whatever piece of software the connotation of it is I'm holding n night
I'll show my other one that I showed when we weren't streaming to anyone
but and that's just a function that's
like a feature of another piece of softw then I like you know what fine my
favorite piece of software is Windows Home Server because unlike pretty much
anything else it actually legitimately made my life better it allowed me to
take sort of random hard drives like really random I think I even had 120 gig
drives in it before I knew you really yeah like really old stuff that's pretty
legit yeah like I had yes I did I had two maxart Diamond max NES that's the
only drive I've ever killed was a maxart that was the one that slipped out of my hand oh nice okay well these were these
were old drives these were SATA 1 back when instead of it being a native SATA
controller SATA drives were just IDE drives with a SATA Bridge chip so so the
actual performance bottleneck that didn't exist even then I mean at 133 is
still almost fast enough for any modern Drive something like a wd green 3 tbte I
I think Peaks at 125 megabytes per second reads and writes ATA 133 is you
and the ridiculous thing is that we replace it with SATA and then now SATA is almost done but it's because of ssds
I mean uh ATA would have been held back big time by SD course but it's just
funny how fast that would yeah st's hilarious it's like SATA
150 ATA 100 33 yay same thing uh so
anyway I had those in there so what Windows Home Server was was it was a way
you could mix and match drives and have safe redundant storage so I and I tested
it time and time again because I kept using like random old crappy drives and
refurb drives in it and I kept failing but I kept not losing any data because
of the way that the drive pool worked um it was an easy way to manage all of your
computers remotely so you could just have one port open UPnP sets it up for
you you don't have to think about it versus the amount of dinking around in
your router and in your os's or
installing you know different applications on the computers for remote
access don't have to worry about any of that it's just all Native remote desktop
connection and it just splits everything out from the one computer and the web
portal for accessing your files from anywhere so much better than most nases
any Nas pretty much that in my opinion was the coolest part just the fact that
it worked just like browsing a folder in Windows and then you transfer files and
I mean the only thing I didn't like is if you had a really really big transfer it just
said like transferring files and gave you no bar so you had no idea how long
far along it was part of the problem was that at the time slick was using the
Windows Home Server to upload completed Tech tips episodes off of my horrible AR
52 kilobit up 50 five 50 kilobit
50 that was the really really old one we had we've had two step UPS since then
are you sure that's when we were on Tellis we've had two step UPS since then
that's oh that's awful then we moved to Shaw we got to whatever and then we yeah
so not having a progress bar would have been a problem yeah cuz it would take
like the entire night right to upload one video like literally it would take the entire night to upload one video or
an entire day I mean on the topic of nases especially back then even a
gigabit Nas was going to do 20 30 megabytes per second file copies whereas
a Windows Home Server it's a freaking computer it's fast so it yeah takes
takes care of that stuff all right you can show them what you think passes for
this is cool software anyone who does um any web development stuff will probably
appreciate this um if you just go into web developer on Firefox go down to
their inspect tool this will be a little bit more I'll go to yeah go to The Forum
yeah me one
second something that has actually more things on the
page it's going slow why are you going
slow right now haha someone's saying e Firefox in the twitch chat you just got
burned whatever you got burned like fire
whatever but you're pretty foxy all right so if you go into inspect
view most people if you work with web stuff will know what inspect view is so
you can see all the different elements then if you click on 3D
view you can see all the different elements instead of just highlighting
them you can actually see how they stack on each other and you can click on each
individual WAN Show them that module where you figured out that it was was
just like a huge problem because it was like a bajillion dependen that's changed
has it changed yeah okay see it's not ridiculous anymore okay so you can see
if a module like if if it's going to be easy to repair something because you can
see how many dependencies each of the things on the page actually has well
it's it's just easier because you can see like what inheritance and you can
see exactly which element it is and you can like jump into this and that's okay
that's span. Ma so I can go and find that super easily now and change things
and do whatever I want that's just kind of f it looks kind of cool that's really
the main reason why it's awesome I'm not even going to try and hide that it just
looks really cool it's like look I can do this it's really not like yeah I
don't know it's not exactly needed why don't we do a little bit of Twitter
questions since apparently that was a big problem for us last time if we'd
been doing freaking Twitter questions we would have known that the stream wasn't
working at all uh so someone says you're
sexy I'm with Thomas on this one
um what do you think about the rumors of NVIDIA not allowing non-reference boards
for gk10 why does NVIDIA hate overclocks NVIDIA doesn't hate overclocks NVIDIA
hates dead chips because people overdo it that's what NVIDIA hates which I
don't like I don't like dead chips either that's not what I meant I don't
like that they're stopping progress okay new gpus are progress yeah
but limiting people's overvolting capabilities is not progress in my
opinion I want want to have fun with my stuff I don't want to just buy it and be
like yeah my system how much fun is your stuff if NVIDIA knows that as the
processes keep shrinking overvolting is going to be more okay remember a GPU is
not like a CPU where you can do this to
it you can just be like oh yeah CPUs
lots more leakage with the new smaller process so we'll just put this on it and
then it's okay gpus you're limited to
this stupid horrible inefficient cooling
form factor where I mean putting a fan sideways on
something who who came up with this this is the worst thing ever and guys I know
that that's because this slot in type
form factor is not designed for video cards I know they didn't come up with
this because they thought it was brilliant they came up with this because it was a means to an end they had to
cool the cards somehow but I mean here
this is this is kind of a funny thing is people think that graphics cards output
output like shed loads of heat because they run really hot they don't if you
actually take a like if you take a cooling Loop like in the swifttech suite
where uh where Gabe from swifttech had a CPU what was it two gpus I think so two
gpus didn't he do must cooling no no that was a different build a different
system yeah okay I think he had a CPU and two gpus in the one at the end of
the table yeah he had two crazy ones I just always get them mixed up so he had a CPU and two gpus and the actual
coolant temperatures were only like 4° higher and that speaks to the efficiency
of the h 220 liquid cooler for one thing but it also speaks to the fact that even
though gpus run hot that is not the same thing as outputting a lot of heat if you
guys sort of understand like if you were able to put a cooler like this on a GTX
680 I guarantee you it would run cooler than a 3570k so part of the problem is
the form factor that they're stuck in um where it's yeah they can't just throw
more cooling at the problem so I understand their perspective there bam
care fine be like I mean I don't I don't
want to see us stuck with reference boards which like if those rumors are
true that's what we're getting to and while I would
prefer uh an NVIDIA reference board to an AMD reference board from what I've
seen in the past three generations I would still like to give guys like ASUS
the ability to release you know balling Republic of Gamers stuff and I'd like to
see guys like MSI releasing lightning cards and uh I mean that yeah that that
particular reference board is not my cup of tea the 670 reference board actually
has more coil wine and just sort of is
generally like really pathetic looking compared to the
681 um yeah it it does make more noise
not going to be too stoked if they keep going in that direction but um yeah
Slick's hair explain now I got it cut that's horrible what hey slick are you
into Linux I think he means lonus and yeah he's super into
me it's a typo I'm not super good with
it but I try and it's really cool and it's fun and come
closer why just the framing is weird Okay I'm going to move over too I'm not
I don't just want to be close I was like what um yeah Linux is really cool I just
wish I was better with it uh OBS stream software yeah I've
heard of it I can turn down the mic a little um we can you know what
I can just not yell much that should be fine uh shout out to the lus tech tips
for a mod team yaych speaking of the Forum we actually
haven't had any downtime this
week that I knew
about when did we have downtime it just
kind of flickered out for a little bit I don't know if very many people actually noticed at
all no big deal it came back it's okay
okay well the forum's been way more stable we've stopped rolling out every
Beta release of V bulletin 5 that sort of comes across our inboxes that wasn't
why the form went down I know but it couldn't have it was probably stable you
know what I uh don't want to talk about it but when the when the when the
release that fixes the uh the pages comes out we're going to go pretty hard
for that one we're going to test that one in development and then we're going to hopefully release that one most of
the other ones were kind of ignoring because a lot of the fixes while they would help are not that
substantial and bringing down the Forum to put it live and then running into
problems while we're trying to update because everyone runs into problems while they're trying to update V bolon 5
right now and then finally getting it live and then running into XY and Z
errors that we haven't seen before and all these people freaking out because
yeah something doesn't work like that's not really worth it right now where we
feel that most of our users on the Forum are at least getting used to the bugs
that are happening and people are finding own kind of workarounds and we
posted a work around for one and like it's
becoming there we go that's more like it
doesn't matter don't worry about it oh my goodness I'm still taller than
you there you're sitting up all straight
I can sit up straight too I'll just move closer to the camera there we go this is
how they filmed The Hobbit apparently they just had a bunch of people standing closer to the camera see we could make
me look like a giant and Slick look like a [ __ ] that's kind the lighting's all
weird when you face it they can tell and they also can tell that you just put my
chair all the way to the bottom and the bottom of my chair the top of the like
seat part of my chair they can't see that is at the bottom of his that's
that's the smoking mirror like that much further down than
his uh what were you what were you talking about sorry something about how
the Forum went down and it's all your fault you're fired uh mods have been
great thanks literally everyone on The Mod team that's been awesome we might
actually have some cool new stuff to talk to the mod team about yeah at some
point we're not going to talk about that now though top secret for now yeah but
that could be really fun but I'm not going to say what it is that could be like actually kind of the best thing
ever that was a good idea at first I didn't think it was it's
a great idea everyone's just wondering what the heck we're talking about now um Everyone by the way if you see stuff
like that's in the wrong form if you see stuff that's bad there is the flag tool
at the bottom of the posts that is one of the things that works yes right now
unfortunately there's only two people that see it only the admins can see the
flags so not the whole team gets to see the flags so it will possibly take us a
bit because we're working on other stuff whatnot but I will I do get to all the
flags that get posted so if you post the flag I will get to it uh just found out
my WD green external can copy uh
7 okay where the heck is the thing oh oh
yeah USB 2 that's that's about the max it can do is 35 megabytes per second so
I'm pretty sure that's what you meant uh what's the difference between SASS and
SATA that's one of those if you don't know you don't really need to know kinds of things U SAS has some more Enterprise
level error correction built into it um it plays nicely more nicely with things
like back planes that'll split it out yeah yeah like SATA supports simple Port
multipliers but some of the more advanced functionality is um you have
one of SAS actually yeah I've got I've got a
SAS he's got some nice SAS Splitters so
we'll get one of those that'll show one of the things that you can actually do
with it which is actually really cool yeah SAS is uh SAS supports not only
sort of splitting out to individual what appear to be SATA connectors uh from
something like an sff 887 which is what this connector is but it also supports
direct 887 connections to like an 887
compatible back plane and things like that so SAS is uh is more server
professional Enterprise level technology whereas SATA is more for Consumer level
um they not actually any difference in terms of the speed so don't worry about
it Is WD ever going to enter the SSD Market
um I would expect them well they already have like two years ago or whenever it
was when they released um I don't remember what it was called it wasn't very successful weren't they wasn't
there t hold on um that whole uh
presentation that we attended was n not talking about that oh okay go ahead uh
weren't there like a ton of rumors that they were going to acquire ocz there for
a while or was that Seagate no that was Seagate oh okay yeah because like is it
Seagate that's actually like thinking about getting into the SSD game or is
that WD seate I had a call with them but my entire call is under NDA so I can't
actually talk about this topic but he doesn't know so he can talk about it as
much as he wants but he doesn't know so there's nothing to say yeah yes there
was tons of rumors when ocz was kind of in the dumps there for a bit that Cate
was going to acquire them Ted says nice Bieber haircut Bieber I don't even know
what my hair looks like no Bieber has hair like that now like this you
basically look like Justin Bieber that's unfortunate too bad you don't sound like
he's like half my size and sounds like a girl he's so
dreamy you disgust me trade-offs between multi and single rail power supplies I
think we've covered this before so I'm going to leave that one um okay okay
okay we're risking it we're risking it oh yeah that I do look dodgy and you do
look like you're thinking really hard about something thinking long and hard you
know what was really creepy I showed lonus this the face swap post on the
Forum oh that is oh God that is just
awful here what I'm going to go find it
Tech just unsettling just face swap it's
just weird Okay so yeah here it is guys this
is the Linus and Slick face swap thread
yeah yeah I'm working on it so this is just like I I don't know
why it's so creepy but it really really is seems really slow right now yeah I
know why is the farm so slow slick way to go maybe you could get me actual
hosting maybe you could be not running me on B a
software uh maybe you can give me an actual server you know what that server
is not bad yeah that's true that's like
it's a 980x it's not a bad server by any stretch of the imagination and it has
like baller 40 48 gigs of RAM yeah what
48 gigs of non ECC RAM but speaking of
things that are optimized for server and professional applications and and not
that not optimal for not the like what are they they're rip jws right
uh yeah they're G skill rip Jaws okay so the Forum is just apparently not working
at all no no wait there go oh no wait
yes wait
slow is everyone hammering the form because we're talking about it in the
live stream oh God is it just down yeah
weren't we just talking about how it's not down
yeah is it down or timing out it's timed
out uh check the twitch chat is anyone on
the Forum like was it up recently A lot of
people are saying it's down was it up recently
guys ah you got to be kidding me well
that's depressing okay well I guess you guys
will have to just trust me when I say that it's creepy and uh you'll have to sort of
look into that so I guess we'll move right along in terms of our discussion
topics ah yes my personal rig is finally
going to be having some progress made on it so I got a confirmation from Mountain
mods that I am going to be getting my case back next week so I sent it down
there for Powder Coating it actually was a little bit trickier to do the powder
coating than they initially thought so they had to um okay the first time I
sent my tj07 to them I had the
anodization left on the side panels and
on the unibody frame because it was beautiful it was immaculate it was brand
new so I only sent them the internals to powder coat with their black wrinkle
however this time around because I've had my case for a long time now and it's
gotten kind of beat up and scuffed and scratched and the side panels have that
that hairline brushed aluminum finish that I love but is extremely susceptible
to staining like if you just touch it and you don't wipe it off immediately
then it'll just leave a stain of a fingerprint that etches itself into the
aluminum and you can't get rid of afterwards so I had that all over it so
I was like okay screw it I'm just going to powder coat the whole thing this time
so I sent them the entire case and I'm actually uh what's going
on okay slick just like barreled out of
here so uh I have no idea what's going on but whatever it is is sort of a big
deal apparently so anyway my case um was
stained to crap so I sent them the whole thing I'm actually replacing so not only
the finish on the entire thing it's going to be black wrinkle um but I'm
also replacing the side panel window so instead of using a piece of acrylic
which is just horrible like acrylic scratches by the time you actually peel
the plastic cover off of it most of the time and because it's such a static
magnet it's always got dust on it and it always kind of looks cloudy no matter no
matter what you try to do so I'm replacing that with glass as well but uh
anyway so Mountain mods found it was kind of tricky because they had to strip off the anodization and then the logos
on the on that case are actually done with a special epoxy like it's an opaque
epoxy there's a Silverstone logo at the top and then there's like a power
indicator at the bottom so they had to get that stripped off as well they had to I think they ended up sanding it off
just to get rid of it um there's a special remover for it and I know that
it's kind of out there in the forums but they're just painting the thing anyway so so they just scratched it then they
had to actually paint it and then once it gets back I'm going to find out if I
can even put the thing together because I remember having a conversation with uh
Charles from Murder mod back this must have been like four years ago four or
five years ago wow I've been doing this a long time anyway I had a conversation
with Charles from Murder mod back when he first started up where he said that
the issue with powder coating tj07 is that the um the tolerances can sometimes
be so tight on the side panels that once you add that extra bit of thickness to
the unibody in the side panel you actually can't Mount the thing on
anymore so I'm uh I'm a little bit worried that that's what's going to
happen to mine but if it does I have a tj11 sort of on standby and I'll go
ahead and just kind of use that and I won't be too sad about it um
speaking of speaking of my personal rig actually this is really cool I wanted to
show you guys this uh we did an unboxing of this
Reservoir earlier this week so this will be coming soon but if you guys remember
I'm using one of the limited edition swifttech apple G HD goldplated blocks
they only made 2 200 um so ncx ordered I
think NCI placed the second order so NCI
got numbers UH 60 to
120 or something like that or like 60 60
to 100 or I don't know yeah 62 120 so I
got number 69 and
um I wanted to do kind of like a gold
themed build so I saw this and it kind of caught my eye it is a goldplated uh
cylinder reservoir from uh phobia phobia
so it's actually got goldplated Plus that come with it so I was thinking with
bits power goldplated compressions this thing would look absolutely amazing but
um I just uh I'm not sure is it something like this it actually like
it's heavy too so the end caps are brass unlike on the t- virus Reservoir where
they're made of acetal or delin or um
yeah acetal and delin are the most common names for it so it actually has
some heft to it which I kind of like comes with really really nice mounts so
most of these cylinder reses come with sort of cheesy Plexi mounts is it up
it's like bogged to all hell what's
wrong with it I think it might be running a timed backup oh because they
run on hour based Cycles not like this time every day because we wanted to have
more backups because of last time that we lost post so I think we hit a really
bad time because we started talking about stuff in the Forum so everyone hit
it so it's backing up the database and people are hitting the database so it's
just like so if the database ran on like
SSD then would it just well one of the things that we're thinking about doing
is making a dedicated MySQL computer
right okay this would kind of help with that kind of stuff okay yeah CU see I've
just been killing time here I started talking about a reservoir I had nothing I was like I was
like whatever he's doing it looks really urgent well I started pinging uh i p i
pinged other boxes that thought I thought maybe the Chinese guy was back
or something oh God did we ever talk about that I don't I think so we got
attacked by a Chinese guy a Chinese hacker yeah he's a ninja that was nuts
and then the well you haven't even talked about why it's nuts because
anyone can sort of be a script Kitty but this guy was like serious business this
guy knew what he was talking about what happened uh we just got absolutely
hammered like harder than we've like
we've had a few different dos attacks before we got the nice firewall and then
this guy just crushed us like it was ridiculous and we weren't really getting
touched by him at all like those was going fine it was just like in other
cases it kind of like sped up I think people were using uh like ly and stuff
which doesn't seem to all hit all at once but this guy was like prepared and
angry I mean what kind of gear do you figure he had a lot I don't know exactly
what he had but a lot so how far did he get he was he was sshing into our Linux
box which means he was trying he was like getting yeah trying to remote
connected into our box which is like not cool and what's the point there's no
data on it that's like helpful yeah I guess anyway the point is we have a
baller firewall now and he's tried again since then failed and the firewall
basically gave him the old nope no thank
you please sir thank you bye so get out
see you later alligator that was cool actually yeah that's kind of neat um so
where were we ah yes okay I wanted to do a model numbers rant um that's not
really related to anything so bring up those ssds again uh okay I'm going to go get
another SSD that's somewhat related to this red why am I bringing these up
particularly okay here here's another one
okay so product naming consistency this
drives me crazy this is a Samsung
830 this is a topof the range
performance drive that is as As Good As
It Gets from its generation I know where you're going with this this is a Samsung
840 this is a Mainstream
Drive okay this is a Samsung 840 Pro
this is a topof the range performance Drive why isn't an 840 a continuation of
an 8:30 why isn't this called the
740 I mean that's okay here this is this is what makes me crazy and it's not just
them the graphics cards guys do it everyone does it if you have a number
based naming scheme scale as you go to
the right why not just change the number and make it different like okay out of
all the numbers out of all the numbers between zero and a th Samsung has used a
grand total of I think four of them why not just call it an 840 and an
835 or like a 720 or u i mean they can't
use 520 because Intel used that yeah and then there's Intel's numbers which are
just random who cares like the five it's a 520 it's a 330 and then a 335 I think
is just a 330 with like a die shrink or something like
that and isn't faster yeah like at all
and actually you know what no NVIDIA has been sometimes really good and sometimes
super inconsistent like I don't know if you remember when they pull okay this
wasn't as bad as what they skipped 300 yes which just like still blows people's
minds skip 300 outright like I always I
actually make mistakes when I'm talking about how many generations apart
graphics cards what what happened there
they skipped they completely skipped 300 and then 200 to 400 was a huge
generational leap that could have I mean do you think they had a product and then
just didn't release it but then why wouldn't you just name the new one 300
and like okay and what's up with NVIDIA and sometimes releasing a flagship
product that is an ultra and sometimes releasing a flagship product that is is
a that one five H and then like what
happened to all the differentiation between GTX and GTS and GT what happened
to gx2 yeah now that's just a 90 yeah
right so it just floated all around they're just and although I think AMD
was probably the worst one when they went from a
6970 being a topof the range single GPU
to a 6990 being a dual card to a set no wait
which one when 5870 right 5970 was a
dual GPU card right
6970 was a top-of the range single GPU
card actually never really even thought about that and then it was a 6990 it's
like so there's a 20 digit like like 20
number separation between a 6970 and a
6990 when a 6990 is actually two
6970 before that it was 5850 5870 same
kind of thing and then it was a
um 5850 was it hold on
5970 wasn't it oh crap now I don't remember Microsoft's really bad for it
too operating systems I'm just confused see but this is the kind of confusion
that comes around operating systems go back and
forth in between letters and XP and
years and then digits and it's like what
and instead of having two digits we're going to have one digit yeah and you go
from like like years to like random
small letter combinations to Vista which is a word and then number it's like nope
back down to single number it's like what what are you doing like why can't
they just make it simple for the consumer it's like this is the you know
ballist thing you know
250 and that's better than the ballist thing
200 I don't know even though I don't like them Apple does pretty okay they
just don't care Oh iPad
no no iPad you know it kind of drives me
crazy cuz I was listening to the radio and they were doing a giveaway for um
for an iPad with retina display I was like which
one which iPad with retina display that's fantastic I love how they just
don't care no it doesn't have a name and like the worst thing about iPad 3 versus
iPad 4 is that the differentiation between these two products is so small
and so insignificant that like and and like the general consumer so doesn't
care about an A6 or an A8 or an a25 or
whatever chip happens to be in it that it's just like they're like iPad with
retina like it used to be that you could go iPad iPad 2 okay iPad with retina now
it's like iPad with retina like there's
there's no killer feature where you can go yeah this is like the one and then
but on iPhone they number them except when they put an S on it so anyway
naming schemes if anyone out there is listening everyone who comes up with
naming schemes that make no sense is uh
is just like needs to not do that
anymore um speaking of naming schemes
that make no sense in Windows operating systems Windows Phone 8 actually that
makes perfect sense total sense yeah I know don't worry about it so I now have
not only the HTC 8X but I've also got my
hands on an 8s and I just want to say for those of you who have been enjoying
my I switched series of videos where I'm logging my Impressions not necessarily
as a total expert cuz people have been like hardcore criticizing the videos
going he doesn't know what he's doing yeah that's the point I don't know what
I'm doing I'm not a phone guy I'm giving you my experience I personally did not
find it intuitive to go into my contact list like this and okay I find scrolling
intuitive I find scrolling on the right hand side like it's done in iOS and
Android intuitive I do not find it intuitive to click this number sign here
and have that bring up a menu of numbers
that I can SK or letters that I can skip to I haven't seen this yeah this is a
button how was I supposed to know that I asked you what that was I was like you
have a contact that doesn't have a name well yeah but it's just their headers so
you can click any one of them I but I when we first started looking at your
phone I was like why do you have a contact that doesn't have a name right so anyway I didn't figure that out
that's so Rand another thing that I didn't but to me that okay yes you could
go lus you didn't do enough research on the phone I go well yeah but who does if
I'm approaching it as not a phone Enthusiast as just a general consumer
the other one was I complained that notifications that come down from the top don't go away you can't just click
out of them and so for me as a Windows user if something pops up my first
reaction is just click somewhere else and it'll go away and it doesn't work
that way because what you're supposed to do is swipe them away to the right that
to me was not a natural Windows response
you're an Android User that makes sense but I'm an iOS user didn't know that so
anyway the point is most of the issues that I had have been resolved in a big
way and the 8S fixes my last problem
with the Windows 8 platform because it is significantly smaller so the issue I
have with the 8X is that I can't really
I can't really it's a little bit more slippery than the 8S and I can't quite
reach the far left side while holding on to the phone so the 8S is a 4-in screen
versus a 4.3 in screen so you can see it's quite a bit smaller and is much
more comfortable it also has a soft touch grip to the back and I can reach
all the way across of it across it so typing is much easier the one issue I
have with the 8S is that it's only a 4 gig phone so I'm going to see if all of
my apps fit on the 8S and then I might actually switch to it it's expandable
but you can't install apps on the SD card oh yeah it has a Micro SD whereas
the 8X doesn't have a micro SD expansion slot so there's sort of give and takes
to both of them and for those of you who are asking why I didn't get a Lumia 920
it's because I don't have a Lumia 920 HTC sent me these Windows phones in
order to do my Impressions so that I could so that I could make these videos
and I mean they knew that it wasn't necessarily going to be all roses about
the phones because I'd never used Windows Phone 8 before and self admitt
self admittedly not a phone guy I even told them I'm like I'm not a phone guy
why do you even want me to do this that part of the reason why they're like it's because you're not a phone guy we want
to find out from a non-phone guy how this whole experience goes and so uh so
yeah I thought that was pretty cool and I think as I get closer to the end of
the 30 days I'm going to be a lot more comfortable with it tell them what you
said today uh what did I say today when we were walking downstairs and you're like I think I might actually I may
actually switch Yeah so I'm getting to the point where I'm I may actually I may
actually stick with Windows phone and I'm not going Android this comes from
like a pretty hardcore Apple phone guy
yeah pretty I like iOS a lot yeah iOS is
good I still like iOS but you know what's funny is when I pick up my iPhone
4 it feels like a brick now because the 8X is so much bigger and so much lighter
and just like it's sexier and just kind
of better in uh in every way but yeah
I'm not going Android I know there's a lot of features that Android has but I
don't like the user experience sorry
part of that could be I've said this before but part of it could be because I'm more used to Android on tablet
that's where I've used it mostly and I've spent a fair bit of time on Android
in a tablet environment but I I just
don't want that for my phone for my phone experience we all know it's
totally different but he's just he's just a hater you know what entire
conversation is missing now we didn't talk about the Logan thing oh my God I
know we talked about this for like 10 minutes so Logan made a pretty bold
claim uh Logan from Tech Syndicate if you're not subscribed to Tech Syndicate
make sure you are uh it's youtube.com/ ra theor where the O in world is a zero
yeah um so he made a pretty bold claim that the 80
fx8350 uh pile driver core AMD processor
is just as good if not better for gaming in a lot of cases than the
3570k and the conventional wisdom on the internets has been if you're gaming get
a 3570k shut up about it and just go enjoy your processor so when you guys
brought it up on the live stream last week I had initially kind of went H poo
poo no it's not right and that wasn't because I was just being dismissive of
someone else's results we have tested those chips before um the last time we
did a head-to-head was with the 2500k and the
8150 but both of those are about 10%
slower than the processors that replaced them the 3570 and the
8350 and we did not have his experience
between those two chips at all and like we didn't run the same benchmarks that's
true we didn't run the same benchmarks the only one that we ran that was the same was Crisis and we had a very
similar output okay so that could be part of it
another part of it is that it came to my attention that Logan was using a
released and then retracted Windows 7 patch that looks like it optimizes the
uh scheduling of of processes across multiple cores better which would
obviously be an advantage for the 8350 versus 3570k which not only has half as
many cores well sort of half as many cores bulldozer modules are not quite
two Coes they're like one and a half course so it has fewer cores and it
doesn't even have the benefit of H threading like the 3770k does but the
3770k is in a different price bracket from an 8350 so we can't make that
comparison so we kind of went okay let's
take all this and let's put the Linus Tech tip spin on it so we're not going
to quite run the exact same thing as him the exact same way we took like I I sat
down and watched all his videos and took immense immense immense amounts of
notes I have like four or five pages worth of notes we paid attention and we're going to try and do our own thing
not copy but do own thing so we're going to do our own thing and we're going to take a slightly different angle so
number one our test platforms we're going to keep them as similar as possible we're going to run a 660 Ti
power Edition we are going to run did we decide on the amount of RAM what eight
gigs oh what RAM are we running oh okay we're running 16 gigs of uh of DDR3 1600
cl9 RAM so just like normal memory we're
running a Crosshair 5 formula and a Maximus 5 formula so the most upto-date
highest performance Rog boards for each
each of those platforms okay I guess there's technically a Maximus 5 extreme
but but like pretty bleeding edge full formula level boards um and we're going
to stick with 1080p because that's sort of our tradition most people still
aren't really running 1440p particularly Gamers if you're buying fast TN panels
or whatever else um those aren't really out there in 1440 I'm not trying to be
rude I'm talking to Mr Wizard about bringing the Forum up and stuff is it
still down it's it's kind of shaky okay so we're I'm I'm not trying to be rude
keep going keep going
no uh where was I right we're going to stick with 1080p one video card we're
going to run a variety of games and and our benchmarking settings for those
games will be very similar to tests we've done on those games previously
we're keeping our kind of style we're going to do our style so I think one of
the things Logan did was he maxed he cranked all the settings because he was
looking at it from a well okay if you've got all the processing power whether
it's an 8350 or 3570k we can all agree
that they're both beast that's fine if you have a high-end video card you're
probably going to crank up your settings however something that we've observed in
the past is that if you crank the settings completely to the max some
games just break so we've seen games where performance just falls off a cliff
disproportionately I've seen games where turning on anti-aliasing past a certain
point increases the input leg of the game engine itself to the point where
it's just totally unplayable so we're going to go for for that that sort of
that realistic yeah we'd actually play like this so if they if one wins over
the other it's probably going to be the difference between 45 FPS and 38 FPS so
we're going for that that playable range rather than just kind of tanking it as
hard as we can and uh and seeing what happens we are also going to shake up
one thing that Logan didn't do and we're going to change the OS up so we're going
to do Windows 7 without the patch that you have to get by specifically
requesting it because it was retracted we're going to do it with the patch on
Windows 7 and then we're going to do Windows 8 because Windows 8 should have
that that logic already built into it so
and we've been being I mean people have asked us how many times to do many
gaming on Windows 7 performance versus gaming on Windows 8 performance with the
same platform so in this case we're going to do that on Intel and on AMD
separately to say sort of once and for all does the OS impact the gaming
performance I can tell you guys right now it doesn't very much but we're going
to do a video about it anyway we're going to prove it there is some areas where it's better or
worse I've seen some other people's benchmarks not a lot you're right not hug no it's not huge but it's the kind
of thing you'd never notice unless you're testing side by side still interesting though okay interesting yes
so I I'll give it that it is interesting and I think you closed up the notebook
which is where I had my notes for what I wanted to talk about um okay is the
Forum up enough that we can show them the scary creepy thread now uh it's it's
kind of fluttering in a note we can try let's see if that one thread manages to
look load so everybody cross your fingers is the
form going to load and you know of course every time we talk about it
they're all going to let's just let it sit in the back okay here I have to go to the washroom so why don't you preview
this surprise you have for me show know what it is okay
okay so oh it's not loading at all is it
no it just totally failed okay so I
can't really show it too much cuz I don't want to take it out the box I ordered some stuff from China some
keyboard stuff um I got a ducky wrist
rest it's all leather and I'm not really usually a fan of wrist rest because I
don't really like the really jelly stuff but this one's very kind of hard but
then still comfortable so pretty stable about that I do not like rist rest but
I've been using this over the last little while and this is the only one I've had that I actually really like but
I've never had a really solid wrist rest before so not hitting on any other wrist
rest and then I'm a fan of keyboards and I wanted to get another one and I was
going to buy a filco Magis touch the the
uh you can find out it's on ntx it's a special edition one but it has yellow
key caps um and then I decided that I wanted to get a 10 keyless one and I was
looking around at different keyboards and decided that I might as well get a year the Dragon one from ducky you see
right there I'm not going to open it because I'm going to get him to do it um
so that's pretty cool I I kind of want to get a year of the dragon one because
uh they make year of the keyboards kind of Fairly consistently um and they're
always pretty cool and like this one's got a lot of cool features and it looks
really cool and they do their own little thing with it it's pretty awesome holy
crap I bought I brought some of the cool stuff that we're going to be checking
out soon on the channel so uh all of this arrived today which is kind of
sweet so we have a razor orb weaver on
hand we saw this at CES tell me slick
okay as someone who hasn't typically found I mean have you ever owned a ra
peripheral that you've used for an extended period of time technically yes
one one okay okay but in general not
really much of a razor guy tell me about this and my one razor thing I kind of
hate it okay and it's broken tell me about this um I hate these things not
like this one in particular but like these little game pads Gamepad things
I've never really okay seen the Intrigue about it but if I had to get one this
one just crushes all the other ones it comes with uh the word Crush like like
no competition oh um Cherry MX Blue key
switches all fully mechanical Gamepad
which I I mean makes it how much better than everything else just crushes I
don't like it's not even funny and like I still am not a fan of the platform I
don't like the idea I want my full keyboard but if if that is the solution
that you want that one is the one you should get I I'm like so excited about
this I mean we only got we didn't even get to play a game with it at CE yes
because it was just like on here if you want to hold it up that's probably helpful uh because it was just like now
I can't see it okay well whatever this thing um so we didn't get to play any
games because they just had it on demo like not actually running any games so
what could we do but um we I I got to be
Hands-On with it what was neat about it was it's adjustable enough like some
things like I would go as far as to say the rat is a little bit over adjustable
to the point where no one actually needs to do that well whatever I still think
it's cool okay fine it's no it's cool agree it's cool I don't want one
personally but I still think it's cool okay but this is adjustable enough to
the point where I can put my hands on it and it works slick put his hands on it
and it still works it's still usable no matter no matter how you're using it
it's fully programmable which is a requirement for something like this and
it actually has a lot of keys I mean you can complain all you want about how you
want your full keyboard but this thing has 20 Keys you have really big though
like I can't reach more than this many keys for sure like the size of this
thing I can't get any further over than that in all likelihood and the d-pad is
another big deal as well so I'm super excited to check this out and synapse
has been fixed now to the point where it works offline so yeah that that was done
pretty quick I hated on that pretty hard but they fixed that pretty quick so I
don't know okay so we've got an Acer notebook that just arrived uh so this is
an Aspire M touch which I hope is uh
something that we can talk about uh okay if if it's not then
hopefully no one from Acer is watching cuz I don't want to get in trouble and then this one is oh this I'm really
excited about this is an Aspire S7 13in
so I've checked out the 11in before that's the one with the aluminum top
that's got like a crosshatch uh brushed aluminum pattern on it and is super
light this one's a little bit heavier it's a 13 in but what's special about
this guy is the fact that it has um a
gorilla glass top and looks just absolutely beautiful like the Acer of
sort of you know thin plastic shells and
screens that Flex like this seems to have just been sort of dropped down a
hole and buried with uh with a notebook like this so I'm really really excited
to check it out I have not been Hands-On with the Aspire S7 13in yet oh I know
what these are and this I have a pretty good idea of what it is but we actually
haven't opened it yet this is from Corsair so let's uh go ahead and pull
out the old knifey but I'm hoping that
this is Corsair's uh this is Corsair shot across the bow of NZXT cuz NZXT
actually beat them to Market on a 140 mm
and 280 mm liquid cooler and it
is this is the Corsair h110 which is a large and I mean large
liquid cooler from Corsair it's it's got a 2X 140 mm fan cooling configuration it
uses quair link which I personally consider to be an advantage over the
Kraken software it's very comprehensive compared to what other guys have and it
integrates you know with all your other components which is part of what the
whole link messaging is about so uh I am
very very excited to put this on our standardized test bench which you can't
see but I'm touching right now I sure you it's right there and uh see how the
performance how the performance shakes down so that's some of the cool stuff
that we're going to have coming in the next little bit here and why don't you
go ahead and Blindside me with the surprise I actually legit have no idea
what's going on here it's probably stupid s thought it
was a good idea okay what is this what
is this well just this is separate okay
so this is a wrist rest yeah okay but I don't I'm not a huge fan of wrist rest
because I don't like really soft wrist rests this really hard though this is
like and then I don't like really crappy stupid plasticky wrist RS that usually
come with keyboards so this a very solid but very good wrist I wish the back was
grippier I do too and I think I might do some type of mod to change that the
first thing you have to do is I saw it in a picture and I was like oh that's
going to be grippy cuz it looks grippy cuz it looks super grippy but it's not
at all yeah okay there you go that's a better angle like it has like a texture
to it but it's it's more like plastic
yeah and I like I read I read up online and knew it wasn't going to be grippy
but that's okay I I'm sure I can do something about that you know what I have some um I have some neoprene yeah
if you if you like take that and then glue it on or something like that I
think I have some Thin neoprene by the way after the stream that would probably be perfect cuz like I knew I'd just do
something to that so this is a ducky dk98 did you actually order a new
keyboard when did you do this how do you have money for
this no offense just wait it's pretty cool okay
cuz I'm I'm not it's pulled out a sleeve
I pulled out let it like there's a black sleeve there's a black sleeve okay so I
have to enjoy the full unboxing experience cuz I'm not really a ducky
guide so I legit have no idea what this keyboard is but there's the there's
their branding on the front of it wow they actually do a really nice job with the packaging this is it's not a
standard one this is not a standard one it's a limited edition so ducky
channel.com dot okay how do you have money for this okay I can already tell
from like the way the box is uh is shaping up here that this thing's going
to be Baller in some way or another so here can you hold this so that they can
see and so that I can uh so that I can work on it here okay is this something
that I'm like legit going to have to try and Jack that is foam the foam doesn't
come out so you can take the individual things so there's a key removal tool
that comes with it okay so we the best kind you want we should have done an
unboxing of this but you can't really get them oh remember you can't how did
you get it uh you can't buy them from standard stores anymore if you go on
geek hack there's one dude that has a few left okay so there's a red WD keys
that are included as well as this the FH
like these Keys here here are because on the middle this is a year of the dragon
keyboard so 2012 so on the middle there's special keys that say 2012 so if
you want it to go fhdj you can replace it oh it's heavy I love duckies they're
so well built ducky and filco and uh Cooler Master and Cooler Master CM Storm
for that matter it's like awesome awesome wellb built stuff all right so
here it is the ducky year of the J Dragon Cherry MX Blue keyboard on the
back there's a uh there's a Mark that shows you which one it is out of however
many were produced it looks like so this is number 18 this is number 186 which is
obviously like meant to be for me because that's the year I was born
86 but uh okay so here's the uh here's
the 2012 sort of Year of the Dragon thing there so they've actually changed
the text here is this back lit this is backlit what color blue I guess we ohue
back blue backlit okay so we got it's got a whole bunch of different lighting
modes uh one of them is marquee is more just like you put it on a shelf and
people can see it CU it just looks really cool so you ordered this because
you didn't actually want so this is why you didn't even care if your old one
worked anymore no actually this is actually for um like I live at one place
and then I have my parents place right so when I go home on the weekends I use
this old gel cap keyboard that I used when I used to play
EverQuest so I go from my awesome ducky
where I live and then I have to use use
this old gelc keyboard when I go home so I wanted a smaller more portable
keyboard that I can have at home and that I can kind of haul around with me
there we go sorry that computer I plugged it into wasn't uh wasn't powered
on so oh looks like it's DOA oh wow that
is a nice color yeah and you can change the brightness levels up here and you
can change the modes so function key here's brightness
levels okay so it's got a number of different brightness
levels wow at its brightest that's really nice yeah really vibrant and then
there's your 2012 yeah and then they've got the dragon key right here which is
your function key they've got a custom key up here like is that like a fire
from the dragon or something I'm not even entirely sure but it kind of looks
like it it's not uh it's not consistent with anything that's on here that's the
dragon right there and then there's uh I don't actually know what this says but
it's Chinese writing I'm assuming it says you're the dragon sweet I don't know it wasn't
always really look at that back and forward oh these are media back and forward yes media back and forward this
is all media y and you get into
cm1 there oh cool because you can have
this is like or I don't remember actually how to do it you have to like hold something down for a certain amount
of time but it's just like the one we saw at CES with Corsair where you can
like tell it which ones you want lit up okay right uh the k95 from Corsair
allows you to just hold down a button and go yeah I want these ones lit and
these ones not lit so these are custom lighting patterns that you can have on
it that's why you can tell it's like striped here except for the 2012 which is solid so it's just supposed to kind
of look cool and then if we go uh here
off that zone like this is all just different lighting types oh that's cool
I these are just presets oh yeah so it's breathing right now breathing is pretty
cool hopefully they can see that I don't think they can see it but it's h it's a
pretty good effect and then uh I think
this is possibly the Marquee one okay no
here we go there we go that's Marquee so Marquee just kind of like shows it off
just wait a sec that's very cool it's
supposed to do like all the striping is it it might take a little while because
if it's meant to sit on a r it's meant to sit on a retail shelf when you're running it in Marquee mode right so okay
um there's one more I got to get it to
work sorry it's DOA why isn't it for what it's worth
guys his old ducky is still working as well uh it's plugged into a USB 3 Port
so that might be part of the flakiness the computer might have fully booted and now it's all acting up
um but the the mode that I'm actually most excited for is reactive type so as
you press down a key that key lights up oh really it's pretty cool that's kind
of ridiculous that's pretty cool and then on the bottom um there's actually
switches and this is how you set like you can disable your Windows key you can
swap your control and caps lock you can
disable uh something else I don't
remember where them on right now I'm on the spot so the old the old ducky is
going to go back to your parents house then probably cuz I'm pretty excited for
this guy and then this you can decide whether or not you want to put it on I'm
obviously going to put it on but it's a shield over top of this okay so I don't
even know why it comes off I don't know there we go that's Marquee so why 10
keyless um I already have a fullsize keyboard and then I have my Cooler
Master that's 10 keyless and remember when I thought my ducky was dead I used
my Cooler Master for a while yeah I kind of warmed up to it at that point I
realized that I I got a lot better at typing numbers up here I never used to
type numbers up there if I ever had to type a number I Dart over to the number pad and keep going okay so I got a lot
better at typing numbers up here and then this will be more like I go to the
island a lot okay whenever I shove my keyboard in my bag it sticks out the top
right and someone could just go and it freaks me out the whole time so this is
way easier for transportation how much did this cost I'm not going into that
this must have been at least 200 bones not going into that come on come on come
come on I could figure it out if I really needed to no I bet you can't find it
okay you might be able to find it in
this is one of those things like the MCB T balancer where I just don't want to
talk about how much it costs because it's embarrassing because it's just like
just stupid it's just stupid to spend this much money on it I got it
okay I want to show the reactive typing mode that's obviously not it that's not
it that's that might be it there we go
okay so it looks the keys light up there you go you can kind of see it now as you
touch them which is very very very cool
so compared to the electronics that go into most keyboards um this is some
pretty serious business PR stuff that uh that went on in this one so and it's
cool cuz it's limited edition and stuff that's always nice that's very cool okay
okay there's not many there's not many computer hardware swags that that I'll
get pretty jelly about but that's uh that's that's pretty cool and this is
the first rist rest that I've ever liked in my entire life I've actually been using this over the last have you tried
the 7g one yeah it just still feels plasti
really well it is plasticky but I find the shape is actually like really I do
kind of like the shape but I really really don't like the plasticky feel I like how this one has the leathery
texture to it because it's real leather um you know what I think I had
some I think I had some topics that I did want to discuss but
um I mean I can't even I can't even really remember what some of them were
because we didn't manage to launch the uh launch the live stream
until we I think we even talked about one of them already but uh I'm trying to
find my post that ient any good Twitter questions uh patent troll New Egg
shopping cart thing oh yeah right that was that was awesome okay I can also
check yeah why don't you why don't you uh prep why don't you start talking
about that one okay one sec all right so
I don't know everything behind the story so I'm sorry if I screw something up but
if everyone knows what patent trolls are basically they either have some
ridiculous patent that's it's just stupid or they buy something up and then
just try to sue everyone they can and make as much money as they can from
suing people because of a patent it's not like oh I actually invented this
thing and you're actually screwing me over I want compensation for this it's
more like let's just gouge everyone we possibly can for as much money as we
possibly can I bought the guy who actually invented it so now like so now
I'm just going to sue everyone going to hoard all of the like awesomeness for
myself yeah so someone claimed to have a
shopping cart patent now like I said I don't know everything behind the story
but shopping cart for online carts so just like okay let's attack everyone
like everyone and then New Egg just
steps up with lawyer power and just goes no and just stops some before he
actually got a was able to do pretty much anything Newegg kind of St stood up
took the charge and just demolished which is pretty cool because I'm pretty
tired of patent trolls yeah I mean one of the one of the important things to
note about patent trolls is that they generally have no intention of actually
doing anything with the patent so a great example of that would be someone
like rambus where they invented a bunch of cool stuff to do with memory and
that's cool I mean that's fine but the reality of it is that was a long time
ago and at this point everyone's using the technology and everyone's pretty
familiar with how it all works and you weren't going to build any of this stuff
anyway so sort of you know pee or get
off the pot so to speak um you know Cal calm down calm down so
don't don't worry about it um so actually another topic that I wanted to
talk about was the German court that ruled internet and essential
service so there was uh there was sort of a shenanigans that went down where um
a German Court actually ruled that the internet is essential enough to your
life that if an ISP so an internet
service provider um causes any downtime in your internet
service that you should be compensated for it does okay your thoughts I think
this is actually kind of cool um but come on that's insane but then I worry
well there can be seriously critical stuff you can not get a job okay you can
not you can fail an assignment you can like a lot of seriously big- time things
can happen and once you uh bring this to your employer and go oh my internet was
down even if you have evidence they're just like whatever I don't care okay but
it has to be like if there's a scheduled downtime then I don't think that should
count okay so the flip side of that argument is there are reliable internet
connections they're called business internet connections they cost three
times as much if your internet's that essential to you then you don't mind spending some money on it honestly no
like really consumer grade basically if
you buy a consumer grade okay here you buy a semi- truck where it's a
commercial vehicle the expect is that thing runs for a million damn miles they
put lots of maintenance on it they put lots of Maintenance in it but the
maintenance is scheduled maintenance that is like it's spec for that
maintenance right it's intended to do that M if if that truck broke down in
300,000 kilm or 300,000 miles or whatever but you know let's use
kilometers because that's easier for me if it broke down in 300,000 km how mad
are you pretty freaking madad are expensive whereas if you buy a Toyota
Corolla and it runs for 300,000 clicks
they're like yeah I got my I got my life cycle out of that if it breaks down and
you have like okay here if a semi breaks
down because of a shoddy piece of electronics that makes sh the window not
open or like the door locked stop working like my parents SUV the uh the
uh the trunk you can't open it because the electronic door doohickey doesn't
work and they had to take it back to the dealership and get it serviced a couple times um if that happened on a prograde
vehicle I says pardon yes but at the
same time like hey not to bring up me being on Tellis again and have a 50
kilobits a second upload but we would lose Internet like not like once or
twice a month like possibly more than once a day you're on tell us that's what
you get what the heck why but as a
consumer you have the right to change it guess how far away the Hub is the Telles
Hub I don't even know I could throw something and hit it from my house
you're pretty buff though but that's not the point like it's literally right
there like it's a it's across the street and a little bit down this is consumer
grade technology T us has tell us tell
us has professional grade uh professional grade service that they
provide that is more reliable probably still sucks okay you don't there's no
point hating on T us you don't even you're not even a customer of theirs
anymore so there you go I know I'm just like okay here another thing anything
prograde costs more and people understand that in well they used to
understand that consumer grade stuff doesn't entitle you to the same level of
reliability that prograde stuff does I mean a zon with a super micro
motherboard with ECC RAM that's error
cheing all the time and like a raid array of of boot drives with redundant
power supplies that thing better not ever turn off unexpectedly but this is
all at the same time even with the semi-truck this is stuff where it's all
on your end you could perform maintenance not necessarily you could
monitor things you could perform you perform maintenance all you want on that consumer grade car it's not going to go
a million kilometers it doesn't matter it's just not designed to do that and
things like a water pump will fail we
understand this we accept this in a consumer grade motherboard in consumer
grade memory that's not doing any error correction and checking um you know what
you can have a random you can have a random solar flare that blasts it with
something flips a bit the thing BL screens it turns off we accept this in
server grade it's going to find that fli bit it's going to say no it's going to
flip it back and that computer is not going to turn off most of the time okay
I'm Happ you at it most of the time most of the time but that's what we're
talking about professional grade versus consumer grade so an internet connection
that is consumer grade should be like any other consumer grade thing I can't
even play Devil's Advocate this much because I kind of I don't think the
internet certifier should actually get in trouble because there's so many things can happen but it would just be
kind of like if if internet goes down for a
day and there's no like natural disaster
and it's just like all their fault maybe you should get a free day I mean the
thing that I'd like to see is more competition with isps yeah especially
Canada so while I don't agree that we
should be penalizing an internet service Prov it's like um there's a there's a um
there's like a social what do you call
when a group tries to bring change to different institutions and stuff social
social social movement okay there's a social movement called open media in BC
that's all about like holy crap internet service providers and cell phone
providers are just killing everyone and
they're like trying to bring reform because we're all just getting decimated with pretty crappy service for
incredible prices and there's like when there's a social movement being like hey
guys what the heck and it's similar in a
lot of places so while I don't think that we should be able to penalize an
internet provider for not having service we should be able to switch to someone
else that I believe we should have the right to choose if they suck and if they
annoy enough customers then we should have the right to tell them to go shove
it somewhere and we should be able to go to someone else unfortunately when there's two cuz if we have like a
restaurant analogy restaurants probably like the perfect way to look at it is
you have a million choices for restaurants if they serve you like
poison food like if an internet provider somehow like serves you a virus serves
you a virus then they owe you something but if a restaurant if you go to a
restaurant and they're like we're out of chicken McNuggets and what do you say you say oh
you owe me money for the gas that I spent to come here to buy chicken
McNuggets and you didn't have no they don't which is why I said I can't even
really play Devils have I mean that's just bad luck I like yeah I think like
but again like and you can go to a different
restaurant yeah but you can't just flip isps every day you can't just be like oh
I don't have internet today I'm going to flip to tell us for today like and then
but the flip side of that is if it's so important to you to have internet on
that day then you should have a prograde connection or what you should do is you
should get a low balancing router they're only about 150 bucks and get two
different and you should have two different isps honestly like it's not
okay you looked at me like I was crazy for saying it it's expensive and a lot
of people can't afford that no but a lot of people can't afford semi- trucks so
they're going to have to figure out how to live without a sem like I said I don't actually really disagree with you
I don't think a ISP should get in like big financial trouble for having an
outage like and when you consider if
they have to compensate I don't know 100,000
customers for a day or half a day day or half a day actually that adds up pretty
quickly and it's not like that and okay like again I'm not like a bleeding heart
oh the poor internet service providers they're they're pretty balling I mean
they're pretty balling but the reality of it is they had all their staff on
that day yeah it that it's not like
their operation shut down be and if if anything their staff were working harder
that day because things were getting
real but then wow does it and wow doesn't make it super popular I know a
couple different MMOs do it if if it's down for a day you get a day that kind
of is a thing with some games not all of them with some MMO games right I know
wow did it I know back when I played EQ this is all old knowledge I don't know
but like I know EQ way back in the day kind of thought about it I don't
remember if they actually ever did but I mean look at it even something like okay
like I would go as far as to say when it comes to isps there's almost things that
they can't control but that's what I said if it's something like a natural disaster or something along those lines
okay okay what if there's just like a power outage because you know someone
screwed up there isn't usually just random power it is it can be for for
what is it is it their fault is it BC Hydro or is it sh you'll never know like
if there's a power outage is BC Hydro going to yeah not really CU I would
argue that electricity is a much more essential service than in fact I would
even argue that electricity is not an essential service if it's down for a few
hours or even a day depends who you are
why what if you're living off life support okay if you're on life support
but again hospitals are PR grade they
have but not everyone that's running off that like stuff that requires electricity to
live is at a hospital okay that's true
but then at that point what are you going to do give them 50 bucks because they died don't like I don't know I'm
just and they're I can tell you right now they're using equipment that is
prograde any medical equipment is prograde not consumer grade and is and
they've probably got battery backups of some sort or generator or something
something but I'm just I'm just but I would say that for the general The
General I'm trying to keep it interesting by fighting for the other side but I don't fully agree with it
okay well I don't actually think ISP should get in trouble just for that does
anyone dare me to take the legendary axe to his keyboard just to
to I think that would be the point where I get fired yeah out of a
cannon that wouldn't that would be Beyond not
cool um okay well we're pretty close to
wrapping up cuz I don't know about you but I'm getting tired oh sorry I just
um so Intel has MSA 525 ssds which are
basically a tweaked 520 so it's a high performance sand Force Drive which means
that you can get up to a 240 gig very high performance SSD in almost any form
factor now um and along those same lines
of shrinking storage tashiba now has an external 2 and 1 12 inch 2 tbte
drive USB 3 pretty standard that's
pretty Beast holy crap right that's pretty Beast how long ago was it that
you could only get 2 terab of capacity in a 3 and in fact 3 and 1/2 in drives
are still maxed out at 4 terabytes yeah yeah I was just going to say that's
crazy and like the the average one is two I think right now storage is just
getting so much smaller like it hasn't it's been it wasn't since we went from 5
and a/4 in being the standard for hard drives down to 3 and 1/2 in being the
standard for hard drives that we've seen a miniaturization of storage devices
like this so not only is the performance going like this uh well on SSD it's more
like going like this yeah um but we're
actually seeing newer and smaller form factors so ssds brought huge performance
in small capacities into these two and a half inch form factors now they've taken
that same performance and they've moved it down to MSA which is absolutely tiny
I mean mushkin has a 480 gig M just what Madness right do they sell
that much no of course cuz I see I know but I see a lot of guys that are just
like oh yeah we released this new baller MSA thing and I'm like I don't see MSA
move that much like I never see it on forums stuff it does but it moves uh MSA
sells to a different consumer MSA is not
for uh a desktop Hardware Enthusiast because what are you going to do with it
but there's so many desktop boards that built in not that many there's like
three that's a pretty good amount what do you mean that's a pretty good amount
that's a pretty good amount for something that I've never seen anyone
buy ever okay no MSA is not for the
Enthusiast desktop guys because why bother you have an Enthusiast desktop
know get a 2 and a half inch like velcro it to something don't worry about it but
then server why don't they just put it in SSD no no not for Server then what
for notebooks general consumers the guy who
buys a Macbook or some Ultra Book and is like oh the only way to expand my
storage is probably to get a bigger SSD my device only supports MSA so they buy
one and these are people who okay so enthusiasts are more likely to sort of
have a fast upgrade cycle or whatever else but a general consumer who's not
necessarily as educated is more likely to see a need find a solution and just
act on it because they don't want to do all the research that would be involved
in setting up a Nas so that they can back up their data there or use a cloud
service to I they don't want to deal with that they just they want a laptop
with the hard drive and they want it to be bigger that's it and if you look at
it from a dollar per Gigabyte perspective which is how an Enthusiast
looks at it you can go oh that's $500 for only 500 gigs instead I could buy
this drive which is18 gigs for only $99 a better value yeah whereas if you're a
general consumer you're going I spent $1,500 on this notebook that has a 128
gig storage device or I can spend spend it by that much more $2,000 to have four
times as much storage device so I'm spending 30% more to 4X my storage and
when when that's one of the main specs in the computer you care about I have a
better notebook now I spent this much more yeah that's another way of looking
at it and that might be if you bought an equivalent expense notebook you might be
happier and get more value out of the one that you upgraded because what you
actually needed more of was storage space instead of just throwing more money at a computer and getting maybe
only 50 gigs more did I do my Windows Phone 8 talk before or after we thought
we were streaming oh I don't remember anymore I
have no idea we also have to do a giveaway oh yeah we have to do a Windows
8 givea away
oh I don't have any questions I don't have any questions what should we do
let's go with like a Linus Tech tips related
question what OS did you wait wait wait
hold on hold on tell me
first well that's lame I don't I don't even remember what it is I just remember
there was that thing like what else do we do operating system St uh let's
do you know what um let's let twitch
chat tell us um twitch chat no no no no no they're not picking the question
let's let twitch chat tell us if I ever did the Windows Phone 8
thing um okay I talked about it already
Okay they say I talked about it already oh okay okay so I'll pick a question
question while you juggle or something I I can't juggle you can't juggle oh well
that's a shame well everyone's going to
be ridiculously bored now no they won't be bored I don't know what you're talk
about let's go twitch chat what's up how's it going how are you guys you guys
are saying yeah you're not even putting the twitch chat up on the thing so a
press two two don't press two over there whatever hey guys how's it going how's
life I'm good hey
you're so lame no one's saying anything interesting say stuff that's interesting
they're gonna say stuff that's inappropriate yeah I've seen some inappropriate stuff already hey there's
a dog I don't know how that guy did that that was actually pretty cool hello from
England hi how's it going I don't know what to say you guys saw my
keyboard that was kind of all I had up on my sleeve someone has a dog another
person has a person I'm good someone asked me how I am Destiny's question I
didn't see Destiny's question read Twitter okay
we will switch where's the browser there we
go oh oh oh it's broken if you don't
entertain them better you're fired
oh interactions Crisis 3 Bet has been
fantastic that's cool I want to play Crisis 3 beta needs weapons balancing
that's not surprising though I'm going to go with like a really stupid piece of
lonus trivia so I'm actually going to I'm going to be narcissistic enough to
ask question about myself yeah does it have anything to do
with Windows no what that's the point is it not yeah so
then you're just completely avoiding the point yeah we're deviating from the
point okay okay um how many inches
taller than me is
slick and you win a copy of Windows 8 I don't even know that answer
okay so we're going to Twitter we're going to Twitter let's see who gets it right
first you can only submit one guess each
18 new interactions uh oh okay so let's
go down I don't I don't know how tall slick is anymore okay hold on hold on how tall are
you can't do
math Okay so we've got some guesses rolling in okay we got someone saying 5
in uh 6 in 5 in 3 in 4 in 5 in 7 in 5
five 2 in 6 17 in come on Brian how
short do you really think that I am that's not fair 4 in seven in taller
okay moving down down down okay here we
go eight six five 2 fo4 in thanks a lot
man oh over 9,000 in I don't know what the answer is so I have no idea if we've
seen it or not cuz I don't know how tall you are 6' 3 3 in 4 in 9 in 8 in 3 in 7
in half an inch 20 new interactions no one's got it so far which is kind of
funny is it uh what are your thoughts on the
fx8350 yeah we're having a slightly different conversation right now which
is uh very related to everything 9 in 4
and 1 12 in 8 in 9 no one's C it yet
this is fun this is like the stupidest game
ever nope nobody's caught it yet I like
that guy's comment I use a metric system I have no idea stes you know what
tenaces you know thumbs up to you because you're awesome man you're a
boss yeah you are definitely a boss
Christian moly is the big
winner so uh Christian I'm gonna go
ahead and follow you on Twitter please send me a direct message on Twitter to
claim your prize and I'll get you in touch with as always our Windows 8
giveaway is sponsored by Timmy techtv so you can visit
youtube.com/ Timmy TV and uh he has generously
donated uh I think a total of five copies of Windows 8 for us to give away
on these live streams thank you so much Timmy that's awesome and we've done how
many so far we've done three
four I have no idea we're going to keep giving them away until he tells us to
stop making him broke and giving away his copies of Windows Eight um so I am 5
foot 6 in and Slick is 64 64 so slick is
10 inches taller than me that's why it always uh that's why it always hardcore
breaks the uh the framing of any shot that we're both in like when he's been
on um netlink weekly for example uh IP
charger says he said 10 in first I I
didn't see it so that's sort of a problem uh I'll follow you wait we can
we can check the log that's the great thing about Twitter um so send me a message and
we'll see if we can we'll see if we can sort it out if he's the winner then he's the winner and I apologize for uh for
for ruining it for whatever else um speaking of Twitter unbox therapy is up
here so uh unbox therapy is the one that I did the gaming peral giveaway away
with I haven't actually talked to him about doing the prize announcement so we'll have to do that very very
soon uh will we ever utilize 8way
probably no time soon the drivers would just be a nightmare um I didn't know you
were so small or slick so tall not that tall 64 is pretty tall it's like I'm not
even the second tallest person in my group of friends
mutant one of my best friends is 6'5 and then one of my good buddies is like 67
when you don't shave you look like a Sasquatch that's not even that bad you just don't
really grow facial hair well no wow or
you mean like why you going to take a cheap drop I'm not
even you're fired damn it that's tce you
guys see why I have to fire this guy all the
time let's do a little bit more Twitter Q&A how about The Unofficial Tech tips
Game servers how do I feel about them have you even heard about them no
they're pretty cool and like I think he's actually the one it up and it goes
like L Tech tips.com star all capitals unofficial
star so they're not trying to like be sleazy about it they're very official
very cool as officially unofficial as long as they're unofficial and it's just
you know lineus Tech tips.com Forum members and they are getting together
and playing some games that's great I mean that's I it got it got brought up
by a mod just to make sure that I knew about it he wasn't like I think this is a bad idea or whatever just so that I
knew about it and then I checked it out and I was like okay well he put the big
star unofficial star thing so we don't have to moderate it or anything it's
just free roaming and I think it's cool that's cool um Logan said he sent the
Skyrim mods yes he did so we have the full list of Skyrim mods so we can PC
ify it the same way that he did uh okay there's a whole lot of uh oh
there's a lot of people who are saying they said 10 inches first well it didn't show up on Twitter so I don't know we'll
have to just go back and check it out um
okay so I think that's pretty much it for tonight
good night everyone and thank you for thank you for bearing with us when we
had again more technical difficulties we really thought that we finally had made
it so that we started on time yeah and we're really bummed out that we were
like half an hour of late yeah we we started on time today we were we were
filming and like talking and going through stuff for like half an hour yeah
for late for people that just we even fist bumped at one point during that
half an hour yeah like that's how that's how good of a com you guys missed it I
mean we enjoy it it was actually it was pretty all right I enjoy your conversation sir it was good I'm not
trying to make it awkward no I know and like it it was I do enjoy
your oh God it was the first time we talked about a lot of the things we
talked about on the stream so I don't know oh well
okay bye everyone