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So back at Computex, when Intel did that weird demo

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on stage where they had this like,

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this like chilled liquid cooled 28 core

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I don't think anyone could figure out

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what exactly it was they were trying to accomplish.

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Even Intel themselves didn't seem to know what was going on

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because that same CPU, although not cooled by chilled liquid

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was actually on display the next day

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with their board partners like ASUS,

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only to be quickly yanked away

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and then we haven't heard anything about it since then,

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except for a leaked roadmap that seems to suggest

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that Intel is planning what appears to be

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a knee jerk reaction to AMD's 32 core Threadripper 2,

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a 28 core based on as far as we can tell,

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a similar platform to their existing Xeon Platinum.

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Now, I don't know what segment they're gonna target

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with this, a workstation, enthusiast,

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people with more money than brains,

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but whatever it is, I realized something.

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We actually have in our hands,

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both the 32 core Threadripper 2

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and Intel Xeon Platinum 8180,

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which rumor has it will be very similar

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to the upcoming enthusiast chip,

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albeit without overclocking.

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So today we are gonna put them

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head to head as a preview

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of the ultimate heavyweight showdown of CPUs

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we're not sure who is going to buy.

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And the whole thing is brought to you by Videoblocks.

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Videoblocks is a great subscription-based resource

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for downloading stock footage, video, and more.

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Check it out at the link in the video description.

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So while Ivan puts the finishing touch

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on our LGA 3647 bench over there,

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I'm gonna walk you through what are otherwise

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as identical as we can get them to be.

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We can get them test rigs.

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So in here, we've got a Threadripper 32 core.

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We've got a Noctua 120 millimeter tower cooler.

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We've got a Zenith Xtreme motherboard

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with what I believe is 32 gigs of RAM, 32 gigs, right?

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Yeah, it should be.

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And then we've got a GTX 1080, Samsung 840 Pro SSD,

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and an RM850i power supply.

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Now, bear in mind that any results

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that we show you guys for this guy

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have to be taken with a significant grain

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of salt because Intel will have at least, I think,

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a couple of months to tune the consumer version of this

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before you would ever be able to buy one.

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Not that most people would ever be able to buy one.

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Like, this is 10 grand.

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So we don't know how much or how little they're planning

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to slash the price compared to the Pro one,

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but like, it ain't gonna be cheap.

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So this guy right here has got same power supply,

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same cooler, sort of, except it's like a modified version

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that works with LGA 3647.

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Thank you, Noctua, for that.

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Thank you, Noctua, for sending that over.

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We've got them both hooked up to power meters,

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and then it's running an ASUS Z11PA-U12.

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It's got the same GeForce GTX 1080 Founder's Edition,

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and then it is, of course, running a Xeon Platinum 8180.

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Now, the RAM, this is something that could affect our results,

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but we had to use what's compatible with our CPU.

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So this is DDR4-2666 ECC memory,

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the same stuff from our six workstations, one CPU project.

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Hey, it's done.

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Here we go.

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Is this broken?

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This CPU, what, what, what, what, what, what, what?

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Okay, adding another boulder-sized grain of salt

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to this whole experience is that this latest BIOS

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we just flashed no longer supports the 8180 CPU,

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probably, if I had to guess,

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because of its massive 205-watt TDP.

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in order to run our comparison.

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And four hours later, we finally have the solution.

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You know what?

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Screw it.

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We're just gonna run our...

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We're just gonna run the light of a thousand suns

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directly into Ivan's eyes.

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Spawning into my soul.

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Sorry about that.

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Anyway, none of the BIOSes we tried worked,

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and we downloaded, like, one of the earliest ones

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that should have been the same as what we had,

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and it was corrupt right off AC system.

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Whatever, it doesn't matter.

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Point is, we're just using our dual-socket board,

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with a single CPU,

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where the only real consideration performance-wise

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is we have to make sure we use a PCI Express slot

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that is connected to that socket.

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So everything's hunky-dory.

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This is effectively the same

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apples-ish to apples-ish comparison,

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and we are ready to go.

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So naturally, I'm sure the first thing you guys

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are gonna wanna see after the task manager porn,

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56 threads on this one, 64 threads on this one,

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is probably gonna be Cinebench, right?

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It's gotta be Cinebench.

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Boom!

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Who will finish first?

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Wow, those are both super fast,

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but one of them looks a little faster.

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One of them looks a fair bit faster.

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AMD is a good 20% ahead, which makes sense,

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because even though Threadripper 2's performance per clock

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is lower than Intel's Skylake architecture,

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they do have a core advantage,

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so they have four more cores, and watch this.

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We're gonna go ahead, we're gonna run the test again,

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while they're going.

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So you can see here, AMD is turboing up higher

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when you're hitting all the cores compared to Intel.

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So round one goes to the Threadripper 2990WX.

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Test number two, the V-Ray benchmark from Chaos Group.

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So we're running the CPU benchmark here.

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Here we go, our AMD processor is pinned,

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our Intel processor is pinned.

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AMD's looking pretty good here too, wow.

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And done.

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you're gonna be like going super fast,

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and three seconds doesn't seem like a lot of difference,

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but three seconds out of 30 is 10% faster for Threadripper 2.

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This is great.

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Tell us more about your gear.

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Are you overclocking?

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Is it liquid cooling or anything else ingenious

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for getting a performance boost?

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Does it show that every time?

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Or is it just when you're like bananas?

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Hey Anthony, you ever seen this in the V-Ray benchmark?

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It did it on both of these.

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I wonder if there's some kind of a threshold.

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Clearly that's a tailored message.

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No, we're not doing anything ingenious,

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just spending lots of money.

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So for our blender test,

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we're going to be rendering the classroom scene.

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And this one will probably actually take a couple minutes.

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Man, that's a lot of cores.

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It's beautiful.

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You can even just feel the heat coming off these things.

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This does seem like a good opportunity

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to remind you guys though,

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that this is not the actual product.

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This is just the closest thing that we have to it now.

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This is cool though,

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compared to that burn test we were running before,

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it's turboing much higher in real world applications,

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even though the usage is a hundred percent.

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stress testing applications and throttling down.

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Anyway, so that's interesting to know.

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this is one area where Intel's looking a little bit better.

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Our Threadripper 2 machine is pulling 380 watts

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from the wall.

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and this is with no overclocking on either of them,

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because our Xeon won't overclock,

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whereas we don't know what Intel's planning to do

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with the real chip that's coming.

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And then Intel's pulling about 265 watts.

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It's crazy.

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They both feel like space heaters, you know?

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Oh boy, this is not looking amazing for Intel right now.

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Threadripper 2 already chewed through

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the first segment of the test, and I think it's done.

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Just under five minutes for Classroom,

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we're at 515,

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and it hasn't even finished the initial render.

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545.

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I don't think I ever thought I would see it again.

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AMD's top of the line versus Intel's top of the line,

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and it just being a blowout.

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So that concludes the productivity segment of our testing,

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and now we're gonna do what neither Intel nor AMD

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We're gonna fire up some games.

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So starting with CSGO.

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when it comes to gaming.

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Average frame rate, 310.21

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That doesn't seem right.

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Hex?

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I have an alibi.

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Yeah, I don't know what just happened there.

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There's like, there's no way.

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Okay, well take those results with even more salt

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than the rest of this video,

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because there's no way that's right.

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That doesn't make any sense.

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We can go ahead and quit the game.

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we were expecting to see in CSGO.

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That brings us to our-

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Shadow of the Tomb Raider.

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How to benchmark on the same account

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with two PCs at once.

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You gotta do the Ethernet cable shuffle.

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This is really close.

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Intel is actually enjoying a pretty significant advantage.

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So, a significant advantage.

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But it should be noted that a gaming advantage

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from one of these CPUs to the other

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is not particularly meaningful.

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you would run out and you would buy a secondhand 7700K

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and overclock the snot out of it.

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We're not done yet.

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of what we're gonna see here,

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simply because the power consumption

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on Intel's platform was so much lower.

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with Intel's cores coming in about five degrees lower.

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So there you have it, guys.

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I said it before, but it bears repeating.

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Take everything you saw here with a grain of salt

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because we don't know what, if anything,

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Intel will change about the real product

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that they're supposedly coming out with.

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I mean, something like an increase

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to the all-core boost frequencies

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could make a significant difference

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to the results that we got today.

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But what it looks like?

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because I don't know that we would necessarily

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depending on pricing,

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AMD might have the bigger wheelie.

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