WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:06.480 wow you must have some pent up Apple thoughts in that in that brain of yours 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:10.639 what makes you say that you've been you haven't had an outlet you've been you've 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:17.439 been stuck inside I've been stuck inside for almost two and a half three months 00:00:13.559 --> 00:00:19.800 physically and spiritually and mentally 00:00:17.439 --> 00:00:26.480 yes other other ways I was I got in a motorcycle accident Jonathan horse in 00:00:22.880 --> 00:00:29.400 March I broke my shoulder right in the 00:00:26.480 --> 00:00:34.079 shoulder had to get surgery that's wild so screw 00:00:30.720 --> 00:00:36.440 drilled into my shoulder jeez and uh and 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:40.840 then I had to recover did you do a whole breakdown of every single thing wrong 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:45.000 with your body in the Mac Address video or is that I summarized it I did a whole 00:00:42.600 --> 00:00:48.160 breakdown in a Twitter thread and I kind of summarized it pretty well we we 00:00:46.680 --> 00:00:54.520 grabbed the skeleton for the Mac Address video and I pointed at the places where I wrote my phones you should do a flow 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:59.079 plane exclusive just kind of like a body tour it's of the new mods it's like a 00:00:57.120 --> 00:01:03.600 small little yeah I mean I there's there's x-ray photos 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:08.040 in that video too so yeah it's uh it's like it's small stuff and like things 00:01:06.360 --> 00:01:13.000 are healing it just takes a while but like they had to cut my shoulder open to 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:17.000 fix it so oh my gosh so I couldn't I had to basically wait for my shoulder to 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:22.119 build itself back up so like my rotation this rotation still almost there but now 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:26.360 I can like do things so if people want to get all of the grizzly detail watch 00:01:24.360 --> 00:01:30.520 the latest Mac just video start at the beginning or go to your stay for the 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:36.399 rest yeah yeah or cuz you did do some recent Apple videos 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:39.159 it I just no it's that was the video I 00:01:36.399 --> 00:01:43.399 finished well I did the wwc video but I finished the latest video is the one I 00:01:41.320 --> 00:01:47.040 started on before the accident which is on the Vision Pro yeah yeah you you just 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:53.360 put out your vision but you there was some new things to kind of update it with which you did I feel like uh I 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:57.320 watched it I didn't I didn't no there's not really nothing there's not much new 00:01:55.200 --> 00:02:00.960 didn't you have the you had the 3D photo viewing thing in there yeah I didn't but 00:01:59.399 --> 00:02:06.880 I haven't tried Vision OS I haven't tried any of the betas cuz I'm too 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:09.800 scared they're betas and you're an alpha 00:02:06.880 --> 00:02:13.120 so that's right riding motorcycles no one can stop you and you're still going 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:19.480 to ride I stop I'm going yeah I got a new bike and uh I just got it uh service 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:23.879 today mhm so we're getting close to back of the road but I have less than a month 00:02:22.440 --> 00:02:27.720 to do my road test before I have to start the whole process again if I don't 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:32.720 pass it so we'll see how things go it'll be an exciting and the next accident you 00:02:29.920 --> 00:02:37.680 get into has to be even more intense or otherwise no no no please no well I'm 00:02:35.160 --> 00:02:43.080 like mad about like how dumb how like intense the Accident Injury was 00:02:39.920 --> 00:02:46.200 considering how careful I am and how not 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:48.760 fast I was going just like it's like 00:02:46.200 --> 00:02:54.280 what when you care and all the gear I was wearing like it like ruined no well 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:58.040 the helmet GE Jonathan the helmet was ruined obviously because you can only 00:02:55.840 --> 00:03:02.560 use it once but I I got the I like a leather suit I got that fixed you're uh 00:03:00.720 --> 00:03:08.440 you're more badass than I'll ever be listen I rode twice so we're not but 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:13.640 still the idea I don't think I'll ever get on a motorcycle no well I I just 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:18.760 don't want to I don't want to do it fair fair because okay wait we may or may not 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:25.440 include this part sure but do you remember like I feel like a couple weeks 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:30.120 before you got in your accident I had a conversation with you where I 00:03:28.040 --> 00:03:34.840 specifically said to you you got a motorcycle are you 00:03:32.519 --> 00:03:40.319 crazy do you want to get an accident I said that it was rude of me to say that 00:03:37.040 --> 00:03:42.439 what no but what did I say what said I 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:46.560 probably said you were just kind of like you know you know hopefully not YOLO you 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:51.239 know like I think you were like I want to do it it seems cool why you know you 00:03:48.720 --> 00:03:55.120 can be safe well I brought up some like fake statistic that wasn't actually 00:03:52.760 --> 00:03:58.280 accurate about how motorcycle people get in more accidents but it's not actually 00:03:57.079 --> 00:04:03.040 that they get in more accidents that the accidents they get in are more 00:04:00.480 --> 00:04:07.120 severe I think well yeah I mean I do think there there's like a common thing 00:04:04.799 --> 00:04:09.760 where it's like it's not if but when but I guess that's the same with cars so it 00:04:08.480 --> 00:04:15.760 might be the similar in terms of that and like yeah the risks are higher cuz like if something goes wrong like you're 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:18.959 flying wherever right um or if you hit a car or car hits you this was just a 00:04:17.440 --> 00:04:23.040 single fical accident it was just me being just being fcked off the bike but 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:28.600 you're flying in the accident and then you're flying at the hospital when they give you morphine 00:04:26.320 --> 00:04:32.080 yeah stupid yeah no they give me ketamine for one surgery hell yeah and 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:37.560 I'm like they're like you're going to have a nice high and I'm like okay and then where do I and I didn't know where 00:04:36.080 --> 00:04:41.759 I didn't know what nice thing to think about and then all of a sudden I was like I wonder where I'm going to go and 00:04:40.039 --> 00:04:45.479 then I ended up in the like Halls of the palace in Dune and I was like oh that's 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:48.400 cool that's awesome I'm like telling them as I'm coming too I can hear them 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:54.800 talking I'm like telling them like I'm in Dune but then I also I also shouted 00:04:52.840 --> 00:04:59.160 whatever man no they were very busy yet and then I shouted no they sh they 00:04:56.280 --> 00:05:03.400 shouted lizard I also shouted what did I do to my myself which is an interesting 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:08.560 thing but we don't have to include that either but anyway which mu would never 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:13.800 say I mean I well I remember saying it thinking like yeah that's true like what 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:16.720 a true thought um so you know let's get 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:20.240 to Apple though it's been a while um so much has happened the most recent thing 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:25.639 that has happened which I feel like we should start with for the sake of the 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:28.720 algorithm is the RCs support apple just 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:30.280 add they announced it at WWDC barely 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:34.440 barely I missed they announced so many things I 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:38.000 literally wrote in my notes where's RCS and then someone's like oh no it's in 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:41.080 the bento box and I was like what they like and then apparently they mentioned 00:05:39.520 --> 00:05:46.720 it the Bento Box you know when they they show at the end they're like and those that's iOS and they show oh right yeah 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:49.759 the thing comes in yeah so that's so annoying when they have stuff in there 00:05:47.960 --> 00:05:55.319 that I was like huh what I think it was also mentioned by the executive in the 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:57.400 presentation too but I must have like my 00:05:55.319 --> 00:06:02.400 attention was for one second not on the video and you missed the one but they 00:06:00.479 --> 00:06:06.759 really did not want to talk about it it's so hard to keep up with all that 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:12.360 stuff but regardless they rolled it out just uh we're filming this on Thursday 00:06:09.960 --> 00:06:19.520 uh June 27th this is going to come out on Monday um and they just rolled it out 00:06:15.400 --> 00:06:21.160 in the past day or two and you know one 00:06:19.520 --> 00:06:27.800 thing that I people were talking about is the fact that some of the headlines say the green bubble nightmare is 00:06:24.840 --> 00:06:32.680 over um but of course the green bubbles are still there yeah this it's it's 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:37.000 I uh snazzy Labs tweeted some screenshots of him trying it out I 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:42.319 haven't tried it myself cuz uh I'm terrified of baas but um but uh it's 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:47.800 really funny to look at cuz it's like you have the green bubbles and then there's a read receipt underneath and 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:53.400 like the uh oh God what are they called now I hate when the words the tapbacks 00:06:51.440 --> 00:06:58.000 there's tapbacks right with the Emojis yeah it it supports tapbacks and reader 00:06:55.960 --> 00:07:03.120 seats and so it just it does oh wow it looks like I was trying to look up what 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:05.840 the actual support looks like uh I I believe you well I mean in the 00:07:04.479 --> 00:07:08.919 screenshot you could see the tap back working so I imagine it includes that 00:07:07.919 --> 00:07:14.800 the pictures are going to be high quality honestly pretty excited uh it's 00:07:12.919 --> 00:07:19.319 high quality media is the biggest thing that is the biggest exciting thing for 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:20.919 me I hate this I like I I'll I'll 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:24.879 message stuff to my parents or my parents will message stuff to me my 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:30.199 whole family is well one of my brothers is on Android and the rest of my family 00:07:26.319 --> 00:07:31.720 is all iPhone and uh 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:36.800 do you get the bad quality or do they get the bad quality every Everybody 00:07:33.840 --> 00:07:42.639 suffers because of Apple's hubris not even huis what the quality of a photo 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:44.759 nonsense it it it it like you can you 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:48.639 can you can even tell from the small preview that it's like pixelated and I 00:07:47.159 --> 00:07:52.960 just like it's funny people talk about it and I know that the spec isn't great 00:07:51.319 --> 00:07:56.960 it looks like the bit rate is like way too low so it's not that it's is it for 00:07:54.840 --> 00:08:01.960 videos specifically it's for videos and photos but now with RCS I mean so it's 00:08:00.039 --> 00:08:08.680 just in the beta so it's not rolling out to every iPhone right now but it will in 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:11.759 the fall uh be available and so I 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:13.599 mean it to it took so long but we're 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:18.120 finally here and it's one of those things like one broad thing that I want 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:22.919 to talk to you about yeah in terms of apple and and recent changes that 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:28.639 they've made is that Apple especially when it comes to the iOS and iPad OS 00:08:26.199 --> 00:08:34.360 ecosystems they're they're kind of being forced and they're fighting it every 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:43.080 step of the way but they are being forced to become a lot less Apple like 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:44.880 like oh interesting because take RCS 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:50.279 support yeah this is something that they would never add they ignored Google's 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:54.440 very very very public campaigns to get them to add it for years and years and 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:59.240 years and now the only reason that they're adding it correct me if I'm 00:08:56.399 --> 00:09:03.920 wrong is because of the EU it's China actually 00:09:00.040 --> 00:09:06.519 being like China fascism light and just 00:09:03.920 --> 00:09:10.440 no it's China continue China well I don't know the specifics joke about the 00:09:08.120 --> 00:09:15.480 fascism by the way from what I heard um it was actually China mandating RCS not 00:09:12.920 --> 00:09:19.120 the EU okay wait what do you mean China had some sort of thing where they want 00:09:16.560 --> 00:09:23.839 now elded phone makers to support RCS was that before or after the EU it was a 00:09:21.880 --> 00:09:26.920 little bit before cuz they had announce that they were going to add RCS a while 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:30.920 back well I'll take your word for it but regardless I think that the overall 00:09:28.560 --> 00:09:35.760 trend in like this is happening in China I think uh Japan has has had some pretty 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:38.680 good uh strong regulation Korea as well regarding the app stores at least well 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:44.320 they working on well Japan just announced something just recently yeah 00:09:41.680 --> 00:09:47.640 the eu's been working on something it is things are getting chipped away at I 00:09:45.839 --> 00:09:54.120 think the US will get there eventually yeah Canada will get there after we 00:09:50.959 --> 00:09:56.200 start you know finish making stupid laws 00:09:54.120 --> 00:10:00.320 then we might have something it's going to get we're not going to get into C11 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:04.079 right now but it it might old we have c59 now it is old but I I feel like 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:09.079 recently I've heard that this might just like die because there's going to be a 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:13.760 regime change anyways that's neither here nor there that's not smile on his 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:18.959 face that's not Apple that's not Apple listen so how do you feel about this as 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:23.560 an apple person do you feel like something is being taken away I no okay 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:29.320 even though their features being tell you something along with apple one thing 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:32.600 I'm interested in is uh Annie trust and 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:34.320 antimonopoly movement uh and so I'm like 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:37.760 this is pretty good actually it's pretty good interesting to see it's pretty 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:42.639 interesting to see kind of governments in the regulatory structure kind of wake 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:45.000 up and be like do we want is this good 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:47.480 is this the way we want things to be um they're doing it in weird ways and 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:55.120 everyone's kind of doing it in a different way um and it's going to be interesting to see I guess which way 00:10:52.040 --> 00:10:58.399 prevails but like the thing is Apple's 00:10:55.120 --> 00:11:00.480 App Store probably was always destined 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:05.160 to be chipped away because it just got so controlling and like it was sort of 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:08.800 the strange nature of when the iPhone came out there was no app store because 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:12.560 they didn't want to have any apps and like I I watched I actually the other 00:11:10.760 --> 00:11:15.639 day watched like the presentation where Steve was like this is how apps would 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:20.320 work web apps would work on it and it was like a website with like app buttons 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:25.000 that look like it just was like crazy it was just still on a website and then the 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:28.600 next year uh they added the App Store sometimes I wonder if it was always part 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:31.639 of the plan and they just they needed to like get it this way but it was like 00:11:30.160 --> 00:11:35.560 specifically they had to control what apps were on that platform and they kind 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:39.920 of had the opportunity to and the reg regulatory environment wasn't really 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:45.519 paying attention to any trust and any of that stuff at all um at that point so 00:11:43.920 --> 00:11:51.760 they just they just did it and no one everyone's like oh that sounds great I 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:54.560 can and it's I can understand the 00:11:51.760 --> 00:11:59.560 initial App Store uh roll out being like exciting it was because web apps were 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:04.480 not as good as these these like you want actual applications to run on your 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:07.760 little computer yeah um and I think that 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:11.279 the the uh kind of insulated App Store 00:12:07.760 --> 00:12:13.720 model was copied by by not just Google I 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:17.360 mean like there you know the Blackberry ecosystem existed at at time as well 00:12:15.959 --> 00:12:22.399 there were other yeah I'm trying to remember it really just transformed into 00:12:19.560 --> 00:12:27.399 completely just Android and iPhone but it shook out that way yeah yeah and and 00:12:24.760 --> 00:12:33.279 the Play Store itself you know you can you can sideload uh apps on Android but 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:38.920 you know you see epic attacking Google as well yeah and Google lost that last I 00:12:35.680 --> 00:12:41.240 think that the closed you know insul App 00:12:38.920 --> 00:12:46.800 Store model is uh opening up and becoming less and 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:50.399 less sensible as phones become more and more capable yeah oh yeah yeah 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:55.760 absolutely so now people are just like okay this used to be a phone now it's 00:12:52.800 --> 00:12:59.880 just another computer yeah computer exactly what's happening yeah is a is 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:04.680 the recognition of that precisely yeah and I think that you have people like 00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:07.959 epic game CEO Tim Sweeney who comes in 00:13:04.680 --> 00:13:09.560 here and is like hey it's obviously a 00:13:07.959 --> 00:13:12.920 computer it was always a computer I don't know why anyone didn't treat it 00:13:10.959 --> 00:13:17.560 like a computer and it's like ridiculous that you can't like treat it just like 00:13:15.199 --> 00:13:22.040 your desktop PC and sideload whatever you want and and modify and do whatever 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:27.320 you want and so he's been attacking both Apple and Google yeah 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:33.600 um and it's been fascinating to see I I did a tech longer on the Apple on the 00:13:29.560 --> 00:13:35.880 Apple versus epic yeah which epic lost 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:40.160 you're going to say we want to get into that but they won against Google and we 00:13:37.760 --> 00:13:44.000 can talk about that after but that to me is is fascinating that they just won 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:48.399 against Google and Google Now is in a position of having to like change stuff 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:54.639 it was a different trial I think Google was more blatant uh the judge the judge 00:13:51.839 --> 00:13:57.600 was also not as differential to Google the judge and it was a it was a jury 00:13:56.160 --> 00:14:01.839 trial and the judge literally said to the jury cuz there was evidence coming 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:06.079 out that Google had like deleted messages and emails and like tried to 00:14:03.880 --> 00:14:11.800 hide things behind privilege the so the judge L told the jury like just assume 00:14:08.920 --> 00:14:17.199 any uh documentation we don't have makes Google look bad he told the jury that 00:14:14.560 --> 00:14:20.560 exactly so they definitely fair enough you know they definitely lost you 00:14:18.920 --> 00:14:25.600 deleted it why did you delete it you know yeah yeah what was the 00:14:22.920 --> 00:14:31.360 reason so and it's still coming up another lost against Google but um yeah 00:14:28.560 --> 00:14:36.600 with the Apple versus epic lawsuit the one thing there was the uh the judge 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:40.959 ordered that apple is permanently restrained from prohibiting developers 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:45.079 from including uh in their apps buttons and external links to say hey you can 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:49.440 buy this on our website right this is the practice known as steering yeah and 00:14:47.680 --> 00:14:56.000 so it was said that Apple has anti- steering mechanisms that they have now 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:57.519 been uh well in various they're they're 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:02.759 forced to open it up they were forced to open up and then they did the most Apple 00:15:00.560 --> 00:15:08.000 Way the most malicious compliance way so they're like okay well uh you know you 00:15:05.680 --> 00:15:13.160 you would be paying us 30% if you uh you know used our payment system so it's a 00:15:10.920 --> 00:15:18.680 27% commission if you use these external links and if that's if the purchase made 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:20.519 within seven days yeah of the um of the 00:15:18.680 --> 00:15:25.399 thing so there's Milian compliance there and uh the judge isn't happy I would 00:15:22.920 --> 00:15:30.360 love to do a whole breakdown I know but like it happened a while ago and we did 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:31.800 a breakdown on Tech link I'm sure you 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:36.720 any there is an update to that but the tldr is that well epic complained yeah 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:40.360 yeah and they just had some hearings in May I actually tuned into a couple of 00:15:38.680 --> 00:15:45.959 them because I was really curious about him and the judge is not happy and the judge was literally like okay so how did 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:49.680 you send to the I did I did she's like how did you come up with the 27% 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.759 commission rate they're like well the pricing commission does that she's like 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:57.079 do you have any documentation for that I think so and she's like please submit 00:15:54.440 --> 00:16:03.639 the documentation and Apple's like here you go and she's like no I need more and 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:05.240 it's it's escalated that she now I love 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:10.000 this she referred the case to another judge just to deal with the 00:16:06.880 --> 00:16:13.319 documentation Discovery again I love I 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:15.720 love this whole like Tech Giants being 00:16:13.319 --> 00:16:20.160 brought in to law suits like for antitrust thing and like people in 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:24.639 government and in positions of power being like hold on wait so you're doing 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:29.959 cuz they they're not paying attention this is like a lot of like non very not 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:32.240 very technically Savvy people 00:16:29.959 --> 00:16:35.000 yeah they have to be they're bringing in experts to tell them about the stuff but 00:16:33.839 --> 00:16:39.680 like they're having these Reactions where they're like hold on a second wait 00:16:36.920 --> 00:16:43.000 you don't let anyone do this thing that seems like they should do it they should 00:16:40.880 --> 00:16:46.519 be able to do it they're like well or like how did you come up with this 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:49.759 number they're like we don't know it's like oh okay you didn't like look and 00:16:48.560 --> 00:16:55.360 she's also asking like how many developers are like adopting it and they're like 50 that's a huge amount 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:59.720 yeah how much profit are you making from your app store and from your Services 00:16:57.040 --> 00:17:06.240 overall well we don't even know if it's profitable we think it might be but yeah 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:09.240 I don't know laws are suggestions um that's what that's how we what we're 00:17:07.919 --> 00:17:15.799 really literally dealing with so anyway it's really interesting we'll see how that goes but the it's clear that um 00:17:14.280 --> 00:17:20.839 that's getting chipped away at so this is this is all to do with with American 00:17:18.600 --> 00:17:27.120 legislation I know yeah well yeah in the EU they just got charged for cuz they 00:17:24.120 --> 00:17:30.480 they they the EU said you have to do you 00:17:27.120 --> 00:17:32.000 have to you allowed developers to steer 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:36.720 people to their websites with with buttons in the app and you know you got 00:17:34.520 --> 00:17:40.919 to let other app stores in right that's yeah that's the whole thing but just 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:45.799 recently the the charges that they laid um yeah the steering ones this week yeah 00:17:43.840 --> 00:17:51.120 they were saying that okay you let developers have buttons in your in their 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:55.240 apps but they're not allowed to say anything about the buttons SC screen 00:17:53.720 --> 00:18:00.200 yeah yeah yeah they're like the the developers basically saying I made this joke in TechLink the developers are 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:06.159 basically just saying like like here's a button to our website and the users are 00:18:03.520 --> 00:18:10.280 like I think I saw I mean great job there oh good job putting a button there 00:18:08.280 --> 00:18:14.640 but like the developers can't say we have a sale on things we you can get a 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:17.799 cheaper rate on our website they just have they they're only allowed to say 00:18:16.159 --> 00:18:22.440 here's a button goes I think I saw one one example I think I I it's probably on 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:25.960 my iPad where the uh the example like apple show is like it's just a link to 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:28.919 their homepage but it's on the top of the app and it's not even like they're 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:33.320 not even allowed to put it in a button looking button it has to like look like 00:18:30.520 --> 00:18:40.400 a just ww.com and then like a little like this is a linkout icon yeah it's uh 00:18:36.919 --> 00:18:43.600 is it's very it's it's Bare Bones so it 00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:46.240 the EU the EU is an interesting case 00:18:43.600 --> 00:18:51.760 because everyone they everyone I've been hearing people say like oh you know the 00:18:48.159 --> 00:18:53.000 dma is not very well uh written and like 00:18:51.760 --> 00:18:57.000 you know how are they going to enforce this and it seems like the way the EU is 00:18:54.960 --> 00:19:01.240 doing it is they're like this is what we want you to do and we're going to see 00:18:58.480 --> 00:19:05.559 how do that and if we don't like it we're going to let you know uh and so 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:09.520 it's there's like a bit of vaguery there but then oh man it's so convoluted yeah 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:13.440 I mean there's lots of things we can say about how the EU is approaching the 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:18.400 regulation I mean like it kind of it gets into sort of political ideas about 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:23.679 whether you think that these Tech shes should be regulated and all that stuff 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:25.760 but I will say about the EU that 00:19:23.679 --> 00:19:30.919 generally when we Rec report on this stuff on Tech link We like cheer that 00:19:27.520 --> 00:19:32.240 the EU is forcing a Tech Giant to to do 00:19:30.919 --> 00:19:37.679 something that they don't want to do right because the reason why they're not doing it they don't want to do it is 00:19:35.159 --> 00:19:40.640 because foring it and maximize their profits and all that stuff they don't 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:46.480 care about the user experience until users complain like you know to such a 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:48.080 degree but uh the one thing that came 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:52.039 out recently about the EU they're they're they're they're also planning 00:19:50.280 --> 00:19:57.640 this chat control I mean they're not planning it oh they have propos members 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:59.640 of the European Union government have 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:03.600 proposed this uh legislation a back door for yeah that 00:20:02.320 --> 00:20:10.039 basically you know they're saying that we want to scan uh all messages whether 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:13.520 they're encrypted or not for you know 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:16.559 legal images and so 00:20:13.520 --> 00:20:17.799 uh you know I think generally most 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:25.120 people seem to be against that in the text V and the even more heinous part is 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:28.000 that they they had baked in a exception 00:20:25.120 --> 00:20:33.400 for government officials and for law enforcement and stuff their their phones 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:37.480 don't have to be scanned yeah like I mean in that case if we want to talk 00:20:34.720 --> 00:20:41.840 about that in that case there's a difference between say but it was I 00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:45.679 should say the proposals were rejected so so that is not like moving forward at 00:20:44.440 --> 00:20:50.240 this point but they're probably going to bring it back at some point go ahead well there's a difference between 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:55.640 something like that and say and then this dma where wherein like what the 00:20:53.799 --> 00:21:01.400 government was what the what the EU was proposing with the um with the chat mess 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:05.000 messaging is like access to personal personal messages between each other and 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:09.760 you could put a you could put you could say like well a message I send to you 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:13.200 and you send to me individually like that doesn't really have that much 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:16.520 spreadability it's like the issue is when you can like send mass messages out 00:21:15.120 --> 00:21:21.400 that's like the most concerning right so it's like what's the level of like what we're dealing with and then in the case 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:25.000 of something like the dma we're dealing with a company that has that is like 00:21:22.840 --> 00:21:28.720 spreading its power over to over millions of people right right then 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:34.840 maybe we should deal with that like it's like kind of this importance of like impact yeah and so well and apple 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:38.039 doesn't have that much impact as much impact in the UA in the EU as they do in 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:42.720 the US true the interesting thing about all 00:21:41.120 --> 00:21:49.200 this EU regulation stuff is hearing Europeans say that like they Android 00:21:46.919 --> 00:21:53.600 they're like IM iMessage doesn't allow parity of features between iPhone users 00:21:51.120 --> 00:21:58.600 and Android users oh my gosh regulate them like put them in jail and the EU 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:59.960 users are like but the EU no one uses 00:21:58.600 --> 00:22:04.520 they all use WhatsApp even the iPhone users in but the dma isn't just 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:08.880 targeting Apple like it's they're tar it's a gatekeeper as well I think when 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:13.320 the rhetoric is all like anti-apple they're kind of like who cares if you're 00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:19.360 a gatekeeper uh you're you're locking the 00:22:17.120 --> 00:22:22.720 gates do it again and look at the camera if you're a 00:22:20.600 --> 00:22:27.640 gatekeeper you're locking the gates we're going to get you and so we don't 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:32.000 think you deserve the key 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00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:05.960 stiff that is it's a very well made but that keyboard's a dangerous thing cuz 00:24:04.360 --> 00:24:09.679 you expect it to work like a PC watch out for the pencil you can Apple's 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:15.600 really gone downhill man no no no at this that's good cuz at least it didn't 00:24:11.159 --> 00:24:19.000 fall off the fit and finish missing I 00:24:15.600 --> 00:24:21.760 miss reviewing I miss reviewing iPads do 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:28.080 you I should I should every time I think about like asking James if I can if I 00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:30.720 can review another iPad I'm like no I I 00:24:28.080 --> 00:24:35.000 don't there's just no time oh I see game link is my child now iPads used to be 00:24:33.679 --> 00:24:41.600 the thing anyways go ahead you've been using this device would probably be way 00:24:38.320 --> 00:24:44.880 more capable and way better without the 00:24:41.600 --> 00:24:47.360 App Store exclusivity model it is insane 00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:52.279 to me that they still haven't like opened up iPad OS well they are even 00:24:50.159 --> 00:24:57.159 just but even just the distribution of the I mean the the way they've you know 00:24:55.640 --> 00:25:01.399 they they've locked down the operating system but even just the distribution I 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:06.880 feel like would allow for just more business you know more opportunities for 00:25:04.360 --> 00:25:10.880 uh you know app developers to figure out what apps to make and how to monetize 00:25:08.520 --> 00:25:14.200 them because like for instance a big nuisance with the App Store is like 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:17.760 developers can't even do free trials that's like not allowed which is like a 00:25:16.080 --> 00:25:22.080 thing that was is like an age-old thing in software distribution you know in the 00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:27.200 '90s and early 2000s on on PCS and Macs but no no so they can't even do that and 00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:31.760 then on top of all the other rules that they have to abide by and so you think 00:25:29.159 --> 00:25:35.520 about the even the subscription you know the software as a service nightmare 00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:40.399 we're all living in like I have I'm pretty confident that that is also you 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:45.240 know contributed to by just the the constraint App Store model and other 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:46.799 cultural issues so this could be a way 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:51.159 better device without that and even like the Vision Pro is this not was this not 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:55.640 my argument when we last talked about iPads I was saying I've always made this 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:58.880 argument wasn't we always talk about is touch screens wasn't I the one saying 00:25:57.520 --> 00:26:03.120 that it should just be computer and you were like no it's just it's special it's 00:26:00.600 --> 00:26:07.960 a special iPad it's a special child and needs to be protected 00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:14.200 no that argument was whether a touchscreen should be on a Mac Oh and I 00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:19.120 said no and whether macOS should be on an iPad I'm still going to probably say 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:23.080 no to though this keyboard because though this keyboard thing is really 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:29.000 confusing but um because an iPad is a touch device but like what would if if 00:26:26.399 --> 00:26:33.880 app distribution wasn't so strained by Apple's um Power that they hold over the 00:26:31.520 --> 00:26:37.399 platform like what are we missing out on in terms of like apps and possibilities 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:43.279 and then I think about the same thing with the Vision Pro it's basically under the same sort of regime like what what's 00:26:41.840 --> 00:26:46.399 going to who's going to make who wants to make a app for that device let's talk 00:26:45.159 --> 00:26:50.880 about yeah let's talk about the Vision Pro for a second we're flying through 00:26:48.399 --> 00:26:56.640 topics wow yeah I haven't even tried it yet you haven't no I just I'm too I'm so 00:26:53.679 --> 00:27:01.200 busy now I'll bring it over I'm so sorry you only need like half an hour I never 00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:06.720 I never tried it because you had a motorcycle accident so I blame I Blame 00:27:03.760 --> 00:27:11.120 You yeah I I did have it actually at home but they picked somebody picked it 00:27:08.399 --> 00:27:15.159 up so okay so somebody picked it up and it was brought back to the office while 00:27:12.520 --> 00:27:18.080 recovering CU lonus did a video yeah but I still never got to try it but 00:27:16.399 --> 00:27:23.039 regardless it's on my desk so I'll bring it over it seemed like the Vision Pro 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:29.399 launched at a really weird time because too early there was like you 00:27:26.520 --> 00:27:33.919 know three of the the biggest Tech buzzwords in the past few years have 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:40.840 been crypto metaverse and Ai and they've kind 00:27:38.360 --> 00:27:46.159 of like waxed and waned as the others have like uh you know always done that 00:27:44.399 --> 00:27:51.960 come into influence or or and and and went away and I feel like The Vision Pro 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:57.640 launched right as uh metaverse VR hype was like at its 00:27:55.840 --> 00:28:01.760 lowest and the only reason that people started talking about it a little bit 00:27:59.080 --> 00:28:06.679 more like again this year MH was because of the Vision Pro yeah so it was like it 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:11.600 was so it was so strange I mean like meta has you know put out the the quest 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:16.159 and the quest two and the quest three um and so like that's but that all kind of 00:28:14.080 --> 00:28:20.279 just spoke to the the the niche that's into it whereas The Vision Pro kind of 00:28:18.080 --> 00:28:24.519 like broke out it had a chance to break out into the wider Apple audience and 00:28:22.320 --> 00:28:28.799 get them into VR now cuz they were just like I feel like a lot of Apple people 00:28:26.320 --> 00:28:33.120 saw the quest headset or whatever and they were just kind of like okay 00:28:30.919 --> 00:28:37.360 whatever LOL and then the Vision Pro came out they're like now this is a VR 00:28:34.919 --> 00:28:40.960 headset this is how it's supposed to be but then it fell flat in his face and 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:46.960 everyone thinks it's a joke now $3,500 are you joking I well I mean I 00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:50.720 think even when it was announced we were 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:52.000 all like okay okay like but I I I mean 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:56.200 when I was trying to figure out what the Vision Pro was going to be before it was 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:59.720 announced turned out there was this there's this idea of like spatial 00:28:58.120 --> 00:29:05.360 Computing and not having everything confined to a screen which actually seems pretty great I've always loved the 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:09.320 idea yeah and so when Apple focused on that I said well that's kind of what we 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:14.480 figured out sounds like a great idea now in 00:29:11.360 --> 00:29:17.120 execution uh it's there's nothing to do 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:22.960 cuz it's iPad apps or Vision Pro apps which are basically iPad apps just with 00:29:18.760 --> 00:29:24.960 cool floating things yeah and then um 00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:29.080 and then like a Mac screen extension and actually the the despite how amazing the 00:29:27.399 --> 00:29:32.320 screen is it's still not like retina quality for like a Mac screen so you're 00:29:30.840 --> 00:29:36.640 still going to have like fuzzy text and that's why the Windows for vision apps 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:40.679 are so big and then the field of view is really narrow and so like you literally 00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:45.559 can look at like one you can look at like one big window in your field of 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:50.320 view at a time and so you're kind of it's not really what you would hope it 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:53.360 to be like it's th the Windows are too big you can't so you like when I like 00:29:52.080 --> 00:29:57.720 tried this thing when I was reviewing where like I was like okay I'm going to have my Mac screen and I'll have like 00:29:56.080 --> 00:30:01.120 teams here and my Twitter window and I'll have another app and it's like all 00:29:59.919 --> 00:30:08.000 of a sudden their Windows are so big they're like literally like all around you like this and it's five Windows what 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:10.480 do you think that Apple would need to do 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:15.360 like they're it uh we know that they have well we don't know this but the 00:30:12.120 --> 00:30:18.080 latest leaks uh from Mark German are 00:30:15.360 --> 00:30:23.279 that they are kind of like they have lower model yeah narrower field of view 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:26.919 right but you know you got to it's got to be a 00:30:25.679 --> 00:30:30.279 downgrade in some ways if it's going to be cheaper like like do you think that 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:34.799 this is do you think that they should have doubled down and gone with you know 00:30:32.919 --> 00:30:41.000 what we're just going to keep the hardcore users who are still into it and 00:30:38.679 --> 00:30:46.399 like just make it better it's just hard it's hard to make a headset like a the 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:54.440 same thing might just happen I feel like I feel like VR was a success among Tech 00:30:51.080 --> 00:30:57.120 enthusiasts uh in so far as it like 00:30:54.440 --> 00:31:02.799 appealed to non-apple tinkerer type people and there are a lot of Apple 00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:07.559 Centric tinkerer type people but and they were probably playing with those 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:11.679 other headsets but I think that like the 00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:13.760 Apple uh demographic is someone is is 00:31:11.679 --> 00:31:17.600 someone who expects there to be a lot of Polish fit and finish there is po it's 00:31:16.320 --> 00:31:22.480 polished oh it's very polished it's very polished but at the end of the day like you said in your video what are you 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:29.480 supposed to use this for like what is this thing for and no one really knows 00:31:26.120 --> 00:31:30.600 um so I mean couple that with the fact 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:36.399 that like there was some basic functionality that was missing like a Netflix app and a YouTube app when 00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:40.080 they're not making any apps still probably because of the app distribution 00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:45.559 is there still no official YouTube app no no in fact Vision OS 2 the update is 00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:49.320 now that like if you have a if you play have a video playback it can become its 00:31:47.159 --> 00:31:52.720 own window and do the thing right from website there's third party YouTube apps 00:31:51.080 --> 00:31:56.760 and there's a third part yeah of course but uh you know so there's no first 00:31:55.120 --> 00:32:03.960 party one and I mean the first party YouTube app is already not very fun on 00:31:59.080 --> 00:32:05.200 iPad with a mouse yeah so um I I just 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:10.799 don't see what the incentive is right now this is a nent product in a nent 00:32:08.919 --> 00:32:15.000 field that's kind of very Niche and Apple's trying to treat it like the 00:32:12.760 --> 00:32:18.399 iPhone in terms of app distribution this is the interesting thing about this 00:32:15.919 --> 00:32:21.720 whole app distribution story is like Apple's control of app Distribution on 00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:25.279 the was they were able to do that on the iPhone because everybody wanted a phone everyone needs a phone everyone uses a 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:30.120 phone it was a miniaturization of the computer it was like really handy it was 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:33.399 the future uh and it was really clear how that was going to be really cool and 00:32:31.760 --> 00:32:37.120 like the expectations weren't that high either because phone apps before that 00:32:35.600 --> 00:32:41.039 were like the closest type of apps you had before that was like Windows CE and 00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:45.279 pal apps and like if you could find those that was great and or maybe 00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:47.760 Blackberry right and so like it was it 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:52.080 it grew from something small yeah with the Vision Pro like it's kind of already 00:32:50.080 --> 00:32:57.480 has to be big for it to work cuz it's a kind of a big thing if you think about 00:32:54.039 --> 00:33:00.039 it spatially um and it to do that 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:02.880 requires a lot of effort and apple wants to take 30% of 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:10.039 that I think that I I can I can only see 00:33:07.840 --> 00:33:15.000 so like this might be good for Apple these these these anti- steering 00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:17.600 Provisions might be good for their 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:22.120 platforms what do you mean like if they if Apple can't now is like or if the DM 00:33:20.360 --> 00:33:26.600 the dma means that Apple like the way the App Store Works uh and the app 00:33:24.840 --> 00:33:30.320 distribution works on the iPhone doesn't work anymore on iPad though I guess it's 00:33:28.080 --> 00:33:33.960 not a gatekeeper with vision OS they could still do that but anyway it's they 00:33:31.919 --> 00:33:40.000 can do whatever they want within that metaverse what do they call it they had 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:42.960 Vision verse no I I I remember there was 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:49.000 a leak where it they uh there was there was some leak about what Apple wanted to 00:33:45.639 --> 00:33:50.840 call their virtual reality instead of 00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:55.039 metaverse they haded something else like a apple something maybe it's Apple 00:33:53.480 --> 00:34:00.279 reality maybe that's already public and I just like have out of the loop there 00:33:57.159 --> 00:34:03.480 but anyways um yeah the Vision Pro I 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.559 mean we'll see what happens I feel like 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:12.919 we don't have very much more time I want to talk about briefly let's just like 00:34:08.720 --> 00:34:15.720 wrapid lightning around through wwc DC 00:34:12.919 --> 00:34:22.399 stuff and apple intelligence okay biggest things do you remember off 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:25.599 the top of your head biggest things from WWDC because everyone was like this was 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:30.079 the best ww so annoying to say 00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:36.599 dubdub just say that dubdub this was the biggest dubdub of any dub ever I didn't 00:34:33.520 --> 00:34:38.200 feel like that um so you should fight 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:41.679 with people online a hit that I agree with that Everyone likes is iPhone 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:45.159 mirroring that'll be really cool though funny enough Apple's saying that we 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:48.399 can't add iPhone mirroring for EU customers cuz we don't know if it's 00:34:46.520 --> 00:34:51.919 going to violate oh my gosh yeah and apple intelligence and yeah and apple 00:34:50.200 --> 00:34:57.960 intelligence is the other thing um we have security concerns yeah so might not 00:34:55.280 --> 00:35:02.480 be safe we're trying to keep you guys rhetorical we'll see uh if that persists 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:08.200 once they've kind of actually got the feature for other languages but um I 00:35:05.200 --> 00:35:10.040 miss the app icon customization thing 00:35:08.200 --> 00:35:16.040 have you seen that you missed it no no it's a it's a Miss oh it's a you don't 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:18.200 like it oh you saying miss me with that 00:35:16.040 --> 00:35:24.079 app icon dark mode it's like dark mode icons and you can then customize the 00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:25.640 color palette for them and oh man yeah I 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:30.119 I mean I don't like the way icons have looked since iOS 7 I think 00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:35.760 I think that most people thought those like custom icons just like with a blank 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:39.079 uh with with like a color applied to all of them looks kind of ugly like Android 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:45.160 has had that for a while and I don't know if anyone uses it it just makes it things harder to find I don't know why 00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:50.880 absolutely I don't know why but you can do it and I feel like that along with 00:35:47.680 --> 00:35:54.280 things like the window snapping into 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:56.079 quadrants Ties on macOS people love 00:35:54.280 --> 00:36:00.720 that there's a bunch of things that they announced at WWDC that just were like 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:04.720 hey people have been asking this for a long time and features of Windows and 00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:08.839 Android for a long time and you know we're just going to throw them in now 00:36:06.720 --> 00:36:14.119 like what happened something happened that their brains broke in the past year 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:17.920 you think so well then like what this is so there's so many things or they' been 00:36:15.839 --> 00:36:22.800 like holding it I think that Now's the Time I think that maybe being forced 00:36:19.640 --> 00:36:24.680 into changing their core identity in so 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:28.240 many ways with with some f you want us to be Android and Windows here you go 00:36:26.839 --> 00:36:34.160 yeah honestly they're kind of like they're probably having a crisis of identity they're like we were the 00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:39.040 company that didn't let anyone do anything and now they're making us let 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:42.800 people do things we're going to just let them do everything but they're going to 00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:45.920 whine about it a lot they're going to do it but they're going to whine about it 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:50.280 they'll be whining about I mean they're ready they're do they've been whining the whole time uh yeah I don't know I 00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:54.839 don't know if they're necessarily whining I mean if you want to say that the app icons look ugly that's them 00:36:53.359 --> 00:37:00.119 whining it's like they're intentionally making like it's only dark mode for instance who customize it think yeah 00:36:58.520 --> 00:37:04.839 then like okay I just think it looks ugly no matter what you do if you have 00:37:02.040 --> 00:37:08.560 all of your not ugly per se it could look beautiful but it's like what's the 00:37:06.560 --> 00:37:12.040 point of it looking kind of nice if you can't find customizing their app icons 00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:16.359 with shortcuts a few years ago that was a bit of a trend and like you could do 00:37:14.200 --> 00:37:20.040 custom icons already and they looked you could choose ones that looked better and 00:37:18.079 --> 00:37:24.400 that were designed by you know designers and yeah it's so well I don't that's a 00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:31.119 that's a Miss but moving being able to move the icons anywhere in the the screen is great uh 00:37:28.040 --> 00:37:33.920 what else calculator on iPad oh yeah 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:36.599 finally that's cool it actually looks really cool yeah I'm curious how the 00:37:35.560 --> 00:37:43.400 notation thing would work that'd be great in school back in the day this is something where I'm like I can't it's so 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:48.319 dumb that Apple hasn't had an a calculator app on the iPad this whole 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:50.920 time but at the same time I I have a 00:37:48.319 --> 00:37:55.440 simultaneous feeling where I'm like fair enough because you clearly were taking 00:37:53.480 --> 00:38:00.200 your time and you only wanted to put the calculator app on the iPad like I feel 00:37:58.040 --> 00:38:05.240 like at some right this was a okay fine here you go WWDC it was it really was 00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:10.760 but they they're like fine we'll put the calculator on the iPad but we'll make it 00:38:07.640 --> 00:38:11.880 the coolest calculator app a cool yeah 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:16.119 everyone would have flipped out just for a regular calculator to be quite honest 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:20.280 um I don't you mean I don't want to necessarily rehash too much about WC but 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:27.640 it is my kind of take on I've been a bit of an AI uh what's the word what's what 00:38:24.520 --> 00:38:29.280 the negative word cynic yeah yeah you 00:38:27.640 --> 00:38:33.480 know my friend would always tell me about chat GPT look at this thing it 00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:37.839 does and like writing stories for like uh another you know my another 00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:43.599 friend's kid like who's a toddler and like oh wow you did that I and I'm like 00:38:41.839 --> 00:38:46.800 I've just always been like why yeah and then now we have this so whole thing 00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:50.960 where like you know Apple intelligence will summarize emails and then you can 00:38:48.680 --> 00:38:55.880 get it to rewrite your own emails or like and it's like what are we what are 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:59.760 we doing basically grammarly but I when I was insecure 00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:04.240 about writing I thought grammarly would look was going to be great and then I 00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:07.720 never never I don't think we're not the target audience cuz we we are writers 00:39:06.240 --> 00:39:13.920 and I feel like I know but I there was a time where I was very insecure about writing and I just got better at it and 00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:18.160 now I I couldn't imagine I still hate writing actually part of the job the 00:39:15.839 --> 00:39:22.880 solution for people is not to use is to keep just keep writing just get good 00:39:20.680 --> 00:39:27.760 skill issue honestly well well how can you get good at writing if you don't 00:39:24.560 --> 00:39:29.599 write well grammarly could help you or 00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:34.400 or these this is not sponsored by grammarly but Apple intelligence any of 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:39.400 these AI powered summary tools the idea is that they like people don't know the 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:43.599 rules and so they'll write stuff and then that will tell them and maybe they 00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:47.640 don't need it forever but for a while it'll help them kind of like get used to 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:51.000 like oh or it's just a crutch and they kind of offload their brain processing 00:39:49.200 --> 00:39:54.160 to that and they never actually learn what the rules are because they know the 00:39:52.319 --> 00:39:58.040 grammarly is going to or whatever is going to fix it Apple the Apple 00:39:55.839 --> 00:40:02.960 intelligence yeah the the the private Cloud compute the sound is 00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:08.040 happening I hope I hope it makes Siri better but it's only available on like 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:11.800 the iPhone 15 Pro and then M series devices and 00:40:09.560 --> 00:40:16.640 so to go back to your point about like being a cynic I feel like I have I feel 00:40:15.040 --> 00:40:22.960 like there you have more arguments about this I flip-flop you flip-flop because I 00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:27.839 am I think so I think that when you look at AI tools primarily through like a 00:40:25.720 --> 00:40:32.880 functional lens of like what can it do right now yeah yeah you're you're going 00:40:30.640 --> 00:40:39.480 to be a cynic because you're going to be like I a writer I have tried to use chat 00:40:36.680 --> 00:40:45.599 gbt for various things uh since it came out December 2022 I've been playing with 00:40:42.839 --> 00:40:51.119 AI stuff the whole time yeah and I have yet to find a you know a way to actually 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:56.560 incorporate it into my workflow at least the way that like I work because we we 00:40:54.119 --> 00:41:01.119 we just it just it wouldn't it's not useful to me what I do yeah uh I've I've 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:08.079 heard from lots of people who find it very useful in in what they do but I 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:10.280 think primarily not like writers who's 00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:14.160 uh who where it's important to them that they are actually putting their own 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:19.640 thoughts onto paper uh the people who I've seen it be useful for and be 00:41:16.319 --> 00:41:22.680 functionally you know valuable is to 00:41:19.640 --> 00:41:24.520 non-writers who have to do writing tasks 00:41:22.680 --> 00:41:30.800 but they don't care about them and they don't really care about the like the 00:41:27.839 --> 00:41:35.520 nuances of the output and stuff concise I have two replies respon your answer 00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:39.800 cannot be just be good just be better that's fair that's fair so one funny 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:43.480 thing is that same friend I was talking about he was like describing some a uh I 00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:48.520 think like a client he was working with that work who would write these he was like this guy writes these very verbose 00:41:46.560 --> 00:41:51.720 emails that I can't sus out and then he's then he today the other day he's 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:56.160 like I think he was using he was using chat GPT it's funny cuz you can you can 00:41:54.200 --> 00:41:59.599 identify it now you can like look at something and you're like that's you're 00:41:57.839 --> 00:42:02.400 just like offloading so if you if you're using Chad gbt to write this verbose 00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:08.520 email to someone now you're offloading work to someone to like interpret what you mean from this like huge expansion 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:15.040 when you could have just emailed the prompt and I feel like because we don't 00:42:12.839 --> 00:42:18.280 have a anthropics models available in Canada I don't know if you can get them 00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:24.040 with a VPN for some reason I haven't tried Thats So anthropic is was made by 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:27.520 people who left open AI they thought that open AI wasn't being serious enough 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:34.599 about the safety issue so they and made their own models Claude the Claude 00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:39.680 family and uh in in the past 6 months or 00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:43.480 so claud's uh recent releases have kept 00:42:39.680 --> 00:42:47.079 up with GPT 4 so they're they most 00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:48.440 recently released Claude 3.5 Sonet which 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:53.240 apparently you know all the benchmarks are broken they don't actually really work but like according to cla's 00:42:51.680 --> 00:42:59.680 anthropics own benchmarks they're like it's on par with gb4 and I feel like you 00:42:56.440 --> 00:43:01.880 might change your mind about I'm coming 00:42:59.680 --> 00:43:06.319 off as like a as an apologist right now an AI apologist but I'm not as I said 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:11.000 earlier um that's fine I'm ffing but I feel like the the the consensus is that 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:15.400 claud's answers are feel a lot more human and they're a lot less formulaic 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:19.280 unless you ask it to like summarize something and list uh you know factors 00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:25.119 it'll just like give you pretty formulaic things but what I wanted to I 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:27.280 wanted to uh qualify my own answer by 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:31.680 saying there are times when I'm like okay I can see that the the use case 00:43:28.839 --> 00:43:35.480 from people but most of the time right now yes it's useless I don't use it I 00:43:34.240 --> 00:43:40.839 don't know anyone personally who regularly uses it however the thing that 00:43:37.640 --> 00:43:43.119 is always interesting to me about AI 00:43:40.839 --> 00:43:48.599 models is the fact that they are based off of uh structurally like a neural 00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:52.400 network and that just gets my mind going with all these questions of philosophy 00:43:50.359 --> 00:43:57.319 what is consciousness what how does our brain how do our minds actually work oh 00:43:54.359 --> 00:44:01.640 no uh oh no well what it's interesting what go I will say this to bring it back 00:43:59.960 --> 00:44:07.319 to Apple um you're right they they're kind 00:44:04.720 --> 00:44:11.640 of AI stuff is features they're tools they're they're really specific so like 00:44:08.720 --> 00:44:14.720 generative AutoFill in Photoshop is really great but like we had the Clone 00:44:13.160 --> 00:44:18.160 tool the Clone stamp tool and then we had the like healing brush like it's 00:44:16.200 --> 00:44:22.440 just another step in that case and then in the case of like we had spell check 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:26.559 and grammar check in the '90s I guess what Apple's introducing with apple 00:44:23.680 --> 00:44:30.800 intelligence is like spell check but like we can do the whole thing for you 00:44:29.319 --> 00:44:36.599 so and then Apple has their image generator which oh they look terrible uh 00:44:34.319 --> 00:44:42.960 well and like anytime I see gener AI generated you know Works online I'm like 00:44:39.720 --> 00:44:45.480 just something off and so like I don't 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:49.760 know mid Journey mid Journey does blow my mind sometimes sometimes but like one 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:54.079 in a million but most of it is is Garb yeah the um so like it feels like in 00:44:52.559 --> 00:44:58.040 this case Apple was like just kind of throwing a bone being like look we're 00:44:55.559 --> 00:45:00.480 doing machine learning here and this is and we're going to call it Apple 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:03.520 intelligence for you now and like here's the next steps of where we're going and 00:45:02.240 --> 00:45:07.040 maybe they're like trying to maybe they were actually kind of their hand was 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:10.559 forced to show what they were working on ahead of time go absolutely they had 00:45:09.240 --> 00:45:15.160 yeah and so and like and they kind of had to like fit it within what everyone else is doing which is a little unapp 00:45:13.720 --> 00:45:19.000 likee because they usually go their own to their own horn and do their own thing 00:45:16.839 --> 00:45:24.960 and they do it well years later but that just shows like the power the the the 00:45:22.040 --> 00:45:28.359 the economic power of this whole like but they have all the money I don't know 00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:32.760 why they need to car ridiculous wave of in well they have investors they still 00:45:30.200 --> 00:45:37.480 have investors I I know but like you could just say like yeah they dropped 00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:43.280 down they were they were this AI wave in the past two years or so yeah has 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:46.640 knocked Apple out of the top spot they're not the they were the most 00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:52.000 valuable company Microsoft got up there because of all the investment in in Ai 00:45:49.319 --> 00:45:56.359 and then NVIDIA got up there and now the three of them are just kind of switching 00:45:53.319 --> 00:45:58.079 around every once in a while and apple 00:45:56.359 --> 00:46:03.760 shot to the top again after they announced this what what's this little 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:09.040 bubble popping yeah the bubbles yeah I I am I am eagerly awaiting not Happ we 00:46:06.520 --> 00:46:15.240 just there was just a recent interesting paper uh about uh researchers figured 00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:20.119 out a they they developed a they say it's pre it's pre-print so who knows but 00:46:17.200 --> 00:46:25.440 they developed a model that does not need gpus nearly as much they they 00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:31.400 developed large language models that don't use Matrix multip 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:34.200 which is the thing that gpus do that 00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:38.920 makes them so good at uh what about's neural engine well that was one of the 00:46:37.520 --> 00:46:44.720 other like to bring it back to Apple again we're going to end soon but uh to 00:46:41.480 --> 00:46:46.760 bring it back to Apple again the thing 00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:51.160 that was cool about their reveal of Apple intelligence was the fact that 00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:54.760 they're running most of this on device yeah they have their own TR hardest to 00:46:53.200 --> 00:46:59.000 do that Elon Musk made a big freaking deal about how you're going to be sending all your data to open AI or 00:46:57.520 --> 00:47:04.920 whatever but the vast majority of the cases when you use apple Intelligence on 00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:08.480 an iPhone uh or or a Mac I guess or an 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:09.640 iPad is um uh is going to be using those 00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:14.880 local models and they've been gearing up for that I mean I remember years I remember just a few years ago there was 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:17.520 an update to iOS where they they had they already were installing the neural 00:47:16.200 --> 00:47:21.400 engine on their chips kind of small little on the iPhones and so then they 00:47:19.839 --> 00:47:24.839 made an update to the photos app and they said like we can do the like you 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:28.960 know object recognition and face recognition on device MH and I was like 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:33.640 that's pretty cool actually that they're doing that whereas like Google photos like you had to upload everything into 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:37.200 their world and they would do it for you and so I remember I remember when that 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:41.760 when they announced that being like that's pretty cool that we can do that on device so like this is just the next 00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:44.920 step where they're in a direction they're already going in and it's great 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:48.720 they're doing that now the thing is they're still if the device can't handle 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:55.119 the load they're going to send it to their servers um so there's a bit of a 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:56.839 bit of a risk there um and it's you know 00:47:55.119 --> 00:48:01.119 I guess it's hard because the loads could get pretty heavy depending on what 00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:05.800 you're asking for so to expect a little phone chip to do it all uh is a bit big 00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:09.119 but I don't know it's just like it's I guess the thing if I I'm really 00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:14.960 struggling with tech right now because it feels like everyone's shouting about 00:48:12.240 --> 00:48:20.800 Technologies and like these like abstract ideas and there's like no 00:48:17.240 --> 00:48:23.119 really like Humanity of like what are we 00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:26.319 doing and what do you need to do and like how can we do that well and it's 00:48:24.680 --> 00:48:30.319 like sometimes there's like those simple things which Apple historically has been 00:48:28.240 --> 00:48:34.880 really good at just focusing on this is the new device and this is what you can 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:39.160 do with it and this is how we made it so wonderful to do that well honestly those 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:45.160 are the days as I miss that as much as I've given Apple crap in the past for 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:47.359 like releasing a feature that is 00:48:45.160 --> 00:48:51.160 functionally similar to what other people have done before but they brand 00:48:49.160 --> 00:48:56.440 it their their own special way and it's it's the Apple version yeah I've given 00:48:53.359 --> 00:48:59.480 them crap for that but I feel like it 00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:03.200 was it's seeing them incorporate AI in 00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:05.040 the way that they have is actually uh I 00:49:03.200 --> 00:49:11.119 like how they've done it because they showed an actual they 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.799 showed an actual demo of someone using 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:16.960 this and you know it's not a live demo like they used to do it's probably still 00:49:14.480 --> 00:49:20.319 a lot of vaporware and they even said after saying that oh iOS 18 is going to 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:24.160 roll out this fall it's going to be that's where you're going to get the Apple intelligence and the new iPhones 00:49:23.040 --> 00:49:28.799 they there was a recent thing we're saying it's not going to come till 2025 00:49:26.040 --> 00:49:34.119 yeah delay Del but the demo that they show was someone asking Siri when is my 00:49:31.839 --> 00:49:39.240 mom's flight coming in and because it has access to all of this on device data 00:49:37.040 --> 00:49:43.760 that is encrypted and that only can be accessed by your stuff um it can it can 00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:48.119 tell you that and I'm sure like Google will have some similar feature or whatever but the fact remains as you 00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:55.200 said they're sending data to the servers that's the whole thing and I feel like 00:49:50.319 --> 00:49:57.799 apple has the unique ability to take 00:49:55.200 --> 00:50:04.319 this weird AI stuff that has been scaring people and exciting people and 00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:08.280 actually give it to their uh user base 00:50:04.319 --> 00:50:11.119 in a way that hopefully is is Smooths 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:16.079 things out and keeps things you know relatively private and makes things 00:50:13.520 --> 00:50:21.000 actually useful because Apple does have that closed ecosystem of like all of 00:50:18.040 --> 00:50:25.960 your stuff is with us I don't love that apple is like this closed ecosystem and 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:33.319 like we're not allowing you to do open things up but I think that we have these 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:35.480 Twin Dragons right now of privac of uh 00:50:33.319 --> 00:50:40.680 of AI just like threatening to take people's jobs and vacuum up all the data 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:46.240 on the internet and fill the internet with AI generated slop and trick all of 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:51.040 our parents on Facebook and then on the other hand we have the dragon of Apple 00:50:48.799 --> 00:50:57.079 like being like oh we're going to lock everything down you're not allowed to do 00:50:52.319 --> 00:50:59.240 stuff but I feel like strangely the 00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:04.240 solution to Dragon one might be something like Apple's approach where 00:51:01.040 --> 00:51:06.040 it's like you know you can use AI stuff 00:51:04.240 --> 00:51:10.720 but only in these very limited ways that we tell I wouldn't make the same 00:51:08.160 --> 00:51:15.440 comparison because like why couldn't Google do on device like why can Android 00:51:13.680 --> 00:51:20.079 have an on device because their whole business model is covering up data and 00:51:17.680 --> 00:51:24.880 selling and apple does that as well but Apple's business model Apple's business 00:51:22.720 --> 00:51:31.720 they don't have a search engine Apple's closed ecosystem 00:51:28.240 --> 00:51:34.720 H is their business model yes exactly 00:51:31.720 --> 00:51:37.040 exactly okay but then that's true yeah 00:51:34.720 --> 00:51:40.559 but again with with app distribution Apple can realize the dream of the 00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:45.240 Humane pin but with app distribution then on a like the difference there is 00:51:42.359 --> 00:51:47.960 like app distrib like Macs have open app distribution they wouldn't ever have 00:51:46.359 --> 00:51:53.359 these problems that they would like apple wouldn't get sued because of the way app distributions on a Mac but 00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:56.920 they're still a closed ecosystem right so the app distribution and that are 00:51:55.040 --> 00:52:01.559 kind of separate things it's just about like when is the like power tip when is 00:51:59.240 --> 00:52:06.319 it tip over into being like okay it's a little too much now you're controlling 00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:09.480 way too much yeah like I mean you know I'm not I'm not saying we need to give 00:52:07.720 --> 00:52:12.720 all Apple all the power or whatever obviously I think that the EU could 00:52:10.960 --> 00:52:19.599 should continue and and China and whoever should continue just yeah 00:52:15.319 --> 00:52:21.680 ripping them open um but I just hope 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:27.079 that they uh I hope that they retained the part of their soul that allows them 00:52:24.319 --> 00:52:32.760 to keep your data private encrypted on your device and give your private AI 00:52:30.799 --> 00:52:38.440 access to that without ever having to phone home I I think that that is great 00:52:36.040 --> 00:52:44.720 that's that is honestly I think that is the future of AI yeah you know I'm I I I 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:49.240 agree with you that the bubble's probably going to pop pretty soon I 00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:52.400 don't know who knows that's the thing we don't know but I think it has to pop it 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:58.799 has to pop at some point because exponential grow it's going to deflate in this really annoying kind of like no 00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:03.880 like way you know what I mean it's like it's either going to pop or we're just 00:53:01.720 --> 00:53:09.559 going to go straight straight line into cyber Punk dystopia where everything is 00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:11.640 AI and and we're screwed at that point 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:15.520 someone compared it to pollution y we're definitely polluting 00:53:14.040 --> 00:53:20.240 the internet yeah there's a lot of manually turn out crap you know eight 00:53:17.839 --> 00:53:25.599 years ago it's crazy all right let's wrap this up um overall I think that uh 00:53:24.160 --> 00:53:29.640 it was great to catch up with you again Jonathan how good to be back and good to 00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:35.200 catch up with you too I miss our conversations I do as well yeah I I wish 00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:39.839 we could always Dev into philosophy and I go what I want to argue with you about 00:53:37.640 --> 00:53:45.319 iPads again at some point so we'll have you back and uh that sound great until 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:50.559 then just uh you know keep keep on keep on repping keep on repping Tim Cook and 00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:54.480 the boys and the girls I'll try and everybody at that uh one infinite loop I 00:53:53.200 --> 00:53:59.680 don't know why I'm trying to end this like a like a adult easy listening radio 00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:04.599 but I'm kind of leaning that way do you have we should find a song in APM and 00:54:02.520 --> 00:54:10.799 that was the White Lotus the great show good show yeah and 00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:15.920 this was a good show thanks for watching subscribe to TechLink bye bye