wow you must have some pent up Apple thoughts in that in that brain of yours
what makes you say that you've been you haven't had an outlet you've been you've
been stuck inside I've been stuck inside for almost two and a half three months
physically and spiritually and mentally
yes other other ways I was I got in a motorcycle accident Jonathan horse in
March I broke my shoulder right in the
shoulder had to get surgery that's wild so screw
drilled into my shoulder jeez and uh and
then I had to recover did you do a whole breakdown of every single thing wrong
with your body in the Mac Address video or is that I summarized it I did a whole
breakdown in a Twitter thread and I kind of summarized it pretty well we we
grabbed the skeleton for the Mac Address video and I pointed at the places where I wrote my phones you should do a flow
plane exclusive just kind of like a body tour it's of the new mods it's like a
small little yeah I mean I there's there's x-ray photos
in that video too so yeah it's uh it's like it's small stuff and like things
are healing it just takes a while but like they had to cut my shoulder open to
fix it so oh my gosh so I couldn't I had to basically wait for my shoulder to
build itself back up so like my rotation this rotation still almost there but now
I can like do things so if people want to get all of the grizzly detail watch
the latest Mac just video start at the beginning or go to your stay for the
rest yeah yeah or cuz you did do some recent Apple videos
it I just no it's that was the video I
finished well I did the wwc video but I finished the latest video is the one I
started on before the accident which is on the Vision Pro yeah yeah you you just
put out your vision but you there was some new things to kind of update it with which you did I feel like uh I
watched it I didn't I didn't no there's not really nothing there's not much new
didn't you have the you had the 3D photo viewing thing in there yeah I didn't but
I haven't tried Vision OS I haven't tried any of the betas cuz I'm too
scared they're betas and you're an alpha
so that's right riding motorcycles no one can stop you and you're still going
to ride I stop I'm going yeah I got a new bike and uh I just got it uh service
today mhm so we're getting close to back of the road but I have less than a month
to do my road test before I have to start the whole process again if I don't
pass it so we'll see how things go it'll be an exciting and the next accident you
get into has to be even more intense or otherwise no no no please no well I'm
like mad about like how dumb how like intense the Accident Injury was
considering how careful I am and how not
fast I was going just like it's like
what when you care and all the gear I was wearing like it like ruined no well
the helmet GE Jonathan the helmet was ruined obviously because you can only
use it once but I I got the I like a leather suit I got that fixed you're uh
you're more badass than I'll ever be listen I rode twice so we're not but
still the idea I don't think I'll ever get on a motorcycle no well I I just
don't want to I don't want to do it fair fair because okay wait we may or may not
include this part sure but do you remember like I feel like a couple weeks
before you got in your accident I had a conversation with you where I
specifically said to you you got a motorcycle are you
crazy do you want to get an accident I said that it was rude of me to say that
what no but what did I say what said I
probably said you were just kind of like you know you know hopefully not YOLO you
know like I think you were like I want to do it it seems cool why you know you
can be safe well I brought up some like fake statistic that wasn't actually
accurate about how motorcycle people get in more accidents but it's not actually
that they get in more accidents that the accidents they get in are more
severe I think well yeah I mean I do think there there's like a common thing
where it's like it's not if but when but I guess that's the same with cars so it
might be the similar in terms of that and like yeah the risks are higher cuz like if something goes wrong like you're
flying wherever right um or if you hit a car or car hits you this was just a
single fical accident it was just me being just being fcked off the bike but
you're flying in the accident and then you're flying at the hospital when they give you morphine
yeah stupid yeah no they give me ketamine for one surgery hell yeah and
I'm like they're like you're going to have a nice high and I'm like okay and then where do I and I didn't know where
I didn't know what nice thing to think about and then all of a sudden I was like I wonder where I'm going to go and
then I ended up in the like Halls of the palace in Dune and I was like oh that's
cool that's awesome I'm like telling them as I'm coming too I can hear them
talking I'm like telling them like I'm in Dune but then I also I also shouted
whatever man no they were very busy yet and then I shouted no they sh they
shouted lizard I also shouted what did I do to my myself which is an interesting
thing but we don't have to include that either but anyway which mu would never
say I mean I well I remember saying it thinking like yeah that's true like what
a true thought um so you know let's get
to Apple though it's been a while um so much has happened the most recent thing
that has happened which I feel like we should start with for the sake of the
algorithm is the RCs support apple just
add they announced it at WWDC barely
barely I missed they announced so many things I
literally wrote in my notes where's RCS and then someone's like oh no it's in
the bento box and I was like what they like and then apparently they mentioned
it the Bento Box you know when they they show at the end they're like and those that's iOS and they show oh right yeah
the thing comes in yeah so that's so annoying when they have stuff in there
that I was like huh what I think it was also mentioned by the executive in the
presentation too but I must have like my
attention was for one second not on the video and you missed the one but they
really did not want to talk about it it's so hard to keep up with all that
stuff but regardless they rolled it out just uh we're filming this on Thursday
uh June 27th this is going to come out on Monday um and they just rolled it out
in the past day or two and you know one
thing that I people were talking about is the fact that some of the headlines say the green bubble nightmare is
over um but of course the green bubbles are still there yeah this it's it's
I uh snazzy Labs tweeted some screenshots of him trying it out I
haven't tried it myself cuz uh I'm terrified of baas but um but uh it's
really funny to look at cuz it's like you have the green bubbles and then there's a read receipt underneath and
like the uh oh God what are they called now I hate when the words the tapbacks
there's tapbacks right with the Emojis yeah it it supports tapbacks and reader
seats and so it just it does oh wow it looks like I was trying to look up what
the actual support looks like uh I I believe you well I mean in the
screenshot you could see the tap back working so I imagine it includes that
the pictures are going to be high quality honestly pretty excited uh it's
high quality media is the biggest thing that is the biggest exciting thing for
me I hate this I like I I'll I'll
message stuff to my parents or my parents will message stuff to me my
whole family is well one of my brothers is on Android and the rest of my family
is all iPhone and uh
do you get the bad quality or do they get the bad quality every Everybody
suffers because of Apple's hubris not even huis what the quality of a photo
nonsense it it it it like you can you
can you can even tell from the small preview that it's like pixelated and I
just like it's funny people talk about it and I know that the spec isn't great
it looks like the bit rate is like way too low so it's not that it's is it for
videos specifically it's for videos and photos but now with RCS I mean so it's
just in the beta so it's not rolling out to every iPhone right now but it will in
the fall uh be available and so I
mean it to it took so long but we're
finally here and it's one of those things like one broad thing that I want
to talk to you about yeah in terms of apple and and recent changes that
they've made is that Apple especially when it comes to the iOS and iPad OS
ecosystems they're they're kind of being forced and they're fighting it every
step of the way but they are being forced to become a lot less Apple like
like oh interesting because take RCS
support yeah this is something that they would never add they ignored Google's
very very very public campaigns to get them to add it for years and years and
years and now the only reason that they're adding it correct me if I'm
wrong is because of the EU it's China actually
being like China fascism light and just
no it's China continue China well I don't know the specifics joke about the
fascism by the way from what I heard um it was actually China mandating RCS not
the EU okay wait what do you mean China had some sort of thing where they want
now elded phone makers to support RCS was that before or after the EU it was a
little bit before cuz they had announce that they were going to add RCS a while
back well I'll take your word for it but regardless I think that the overall
trend in like this is happening in China I think uh Japan has has had some pretty
good uh strong regulation Korea as well regarding the app stores at least well
they working on well Japan just announced something just recently yeah
the eu's been working on something it is things are getting chipped away at I
think the US will get there eventually yeah Canada will get there after we
start you know finish making stupid laws
then we might have something it's going to get we're not going to get into C11
right now but it it might old we have c59 now it is old but I I feel like
recently I've heard that this might just like die because there's going to be a
regime change anyways that's neither here nor there that's not smile on his
face that's not Apple that's not Apple listen so how do you feel about this as
an apple person do you feel like something is being taken away I no okay
even though their features being tell you something along with apple one thing
I'm interested in is uh Annie trust and
antimonopoly movement uh and so I'm like
this is pretty good actually it's pretty good interesting to see it's pretty
interesting to see kind of governments in the regulatory structure kind of wake
up and be like do we want is this good
is this the way we want things to be um they're doing it in weird ways and
everyone's kind of doing it in a different way um and it's going to be interesting to see I guess which way
prevails but like the thing is Apple's
App Store probably was always destined
to be chipped away because it just got so controlling and like it was sort of
the strange nature of when the iPhone came out there was no app store because
they didn't want to have any apps and like I I watched I actually the other
day watched like the presentation where Steve was like this is how apps would
work web apps would work on it and it was like a website with like app buttons
that look like it just was like crazy it was just still on a website and then the
next year uh they added the App Store sometimes I wonder if it was always part
of the plan and they just they needed to like get it this way but it was like
specifically they had to control what apps were on that platform and they kind
of had the opportunity to and the reg regulatory environment wasn't really
paying attention to any trust and any of that stuff at all um at that point so
they just they just did it and no one everyone's like oh that sounds great I
can and it's I can understand the
initial App Store uh roll out being like exciting it was because web apps were
not as good as these these like you want actual applications to run on your
little computer yeah um and I think that
the the uh kind of insulated App Store
model was copied by by not just Google I
mean like there you know the Blackberry ecosystem existed at at time as well
there were other yeah I'm trying to remember it really just transformed into
completely just Android and iPhone but it shook out that way yeah yeah and and
the Play Store itself you know you can you can sideload uh apps on Android but
you know you see epic attacking Google as well yeah and Google lost that last I
think that the closed you know insul App
Store model is uh opening up and becoming less and
less sensible as phones become more and more capable yeah oh yeah yeah
absolutely so now people are just like okay this used to be a phone now it's
just another computer yeah computer exactly what's happening yeah is a is
the recognition of that precisely yeah and I think that you have people like
epic game CEO Tim Sweeney who comes in
here and is like hey it's obviously a
computer it was always a computer I don't know why anyone didn't treat it
like a computer and it's like ridiculous that you can't like treat it just like
your desktop PC and sideload whatever you want and and modify and do whatever
you want and so he's been attacking both Apple and Google yeah
um and it's been fascinating to see I I did a tech longer on the Apple on the
Apple versus epic yeah which epic lost
you're going to say we want to get into that but they won against Google and we
can talk about that after but that to me is is fascinating that they just won
against Google and Google Now is in a position of having to like change stuff
it was a different trial I think Google was more blatant uh the judge the judge
was also not as differential to Google the judge and it was a it was a jury
trial and the judge literally said to the jury cuz there was evidence coming
out that Google had like deleted messages and emails and like tried to
hide things behind privilege the so the judge L told the jury like just assume
any uh documentation we don't have makes Google look bad he told the jury that
exactly so they definitely fair enough you know they definitely lost you
deleted it why did you delete it you know yeah yeah what was the
reason so and it's still coming up another lost against Google but um yeah
with the Apple versus epic lawsuit the one thing there was the uh the judge
ordered that apple is permanently restrained from prohibiting developers
from including uh in their apps buttons and external links to say hey you can
buy this on our website right this is the practice known as steering yeah and
so it was said that Apple has anti- steering mechanisms that they have now
been uh well in various they're they're
forced to open it up they were forced to open up and then they did the most Apple
Way the most malicious compliance way so they're like okay well uh you know you
you would be paying us 30% if you uh you know used our payment system so it's a
27% commission if you use these external links and if that's if the purchase made
within seven days yeah of the um of the
thing so there's Milian compliance there and uh the judge isn't happy I would
love to do a whole breakdown I know but like it happened a while ago and we did
a breakdown on Tech link I'm sure you
any there is an update to that but the tldr is that well epic complained yeah
yeah and they just had some hearings in May I actually tuned into a couple of
them because I was really curious about him and the judge is not happy and the judge was literally like okay so how did
you send to the I did I did she's like how did you come up with the 27%
commission rate they're like well the pricing commission does that she's like
do you have any documentation for that I think so and she's like please submit
the documentation and Apple's like here you go and she's like no I need more and
it's it's escalated that she now I love
this she referred the case to another judge just to deal with the
documentation Discovery again I love I
love this whole like Tech Giants being
brought in to law suits like for antitrust thing and like people in
government and in positions of power being like hold on wait so you're doing
cuz they they're not paying attention this is like a lot of like non very not
very technically Savvy people
yeah they have to be they're bringing in experts to tell them about the stuff but
like they're having these Reactions where they're like hold on a second wait
you don't let anyone do this thing that seems like they should do it they should
be able to do it they're like well or like how did you come up with this
number they're like we don't know it's like oh okay you didn't like look and
she's also asking like how many developers are like adopting it and they're like 50 that's a huge amount
yeah how much profit are you making from your app store and from your Services
overall well we don't even know if it's profitable we think it might be but yeah
I don't know laws are suggestions um that's what that's how we what we're
really literally dealing with so anyway it's really interesting we'll see how that goes but the it's clear that um
that's getting chipped away at so this is this is all to do with with American
legislation I know yeah well yeah in the EU they just got charged for cuz they
they they the EU said you have to do you
have to you allowed developers to steer
people to their websites with with buttons in the app and you know you got
to let other app stores in right that's yeah that's the whole thing but just
recently the the charges that they laid um yeah the steering ones this week yeah
they were saying that okay you let developers have buttons in your in their
apps but they're not allowed to say anything about the buttons SC screen
yeah yeah yeah they're like the the developers basically saying I made this joke in TechLink the developers are
basically just saying like like here's a button to our website and the users are
like I think I saw I mean great job there oh good job putting a button there
but like the developers can't say we have a sale on things we you can get a
cheaper rate on our website they just have they they're only allowed to say
here's a button goes I think I saw one one example I think I I it's probably on
my iPad where the uh the example like apple show is like it's just a link to
their homepage but it's on the top of the app and it's not even like they're
not even allowed to put it in a button looking button it has to like look like
a just ww.com and then like a little like this is a linkout icon yeah it's uh
is it's very it's it's Bare Bones so it
the EU the EU is an interesting case
because everyone they everyone I've been hearing people say like oh you know the
dma is not very well uh written and like
you know how are they going to enforce this and it seems like the way the EU is
doing it is they're like this is what we want you to do and we're going to see
how do that and if we don't like it we're going to let you know uh and so
it's there's like a bit of vaguery there but then oh man it's so convoluted yeah
I mean there's lots of things we can say about how the EU is approaching the
regulation I mean like it kind of it gets into sort of political ideas about
whether you think that these Tech shes should be regulated and all that stuff
but I will say about the EU that
generally when we Rec report on this stuff on Tech link We like cheer that
the EU is forcing a Tech Giant to to do
something that they don't want to do right because the reason why they're not doing it they don't want to do it is
because foring it and maximize their profits and all that stuff they don't
care about the user experience until users complain like you know to such a
degree but uh the one thing that came
out recently about the EU they're they're they're they're also planning
this chat control I mean they're not planning it oh they have propos members
of the European Union government have
proposed this uh legislation a back door for yeah that
basically you know they're saying that we want to scan uh all messages whether
they're encrypted or not for you know
legal images and so
uh you know I think generally most
people seem to be against that in the text V and the even more heinous part is
that they they had baked in a exception
for government officials and for law enforcement and stuff their their phones
don't have to be scanned yeah like I mean in that case if we want to talk
about that in that case there's a difference between say but it was I
should say the proposals were rejected so so that is not like moving forward at
this point but they're probably going to bring it back at some point go ahead well there's a difference between
something like that and say and then this dma where wherein like what the
government was what the what the EU was proposing with the um with the chat mess
messaging is like access to personal personal messages between each other and
you could put a you could put you could say like well a message I send to you
and you send to me individually like that doesn't really have that much
spreadability it's like the issue is when you can like send mass messages out
that's like the most concerning right so it's like what's the level of like what we're dealing with and then in the case
of something like the dma we're dealing with a company that has that is like
spreading its power over to over millions of people right right then
maybe we should deal with that like it's like kind of this importance of like impact yeah and so well and apple
doesn't have that much impact as much impact in the UA in the EU as they do in
the US true the interesting thing about all
this EU regulation stuff is hearing Europeans say that like they Android
they're like IM iMessage doesn't allow parity of features between iPhone users
and Android users oh my gosh regulate them like put them in jail and the EU
users are like but the EU no one uses
they all use WhatsApp even the iPhone users in but the dma isn't just
targeting Apple like it's they're tar it's a gatekeeper as well I think when
the rhetoric is all like anti-apple they're kind of like who cares if you're
a gatekeeper uh you're you're locking the
gates do it again and look at the camera if you're a
gatekeeper you're locking the gates we're going to get you and so we don't
think you deserve the key it's too much eye contact we're undemocratic for them
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guarantee nice now you seem to be a little a
little bit too I'm going to say little bit too reasonable be a little bit more unhinged
I think I've just been using this iPad
is that the new one yeah my sle computer I haven't seen it for so thin the past
couple of weeks and I calm down it's so annoying and I just
think about like how the App Store model
is this the official Apple thing yeah
wow we're getting it this is the new M4 iPad Pro with the OLED screen I love how
stiff that is it's a very well made but that keyboard's a dangerous thing cuz
you expect it to work like a PC watch out for the pencil you can Apple's
really gone downhill man no no no at this that's good cuz at least it didn't
fall off the fit and finish missing I
miss reviewing I miss reviewing iPads do
you I should I should every time I think about like asking James if I can if I
can review another iPad I'm like no I I
don't there's just no time oh I see game link is my child now iPads used to be
the thing anyways go ahead you've been using this device would probably be way
more capable and way better without the
App Store exclusivity model it is insane
to me that they still haven't like opened up iPad OS well they are even
just but even just the distribution of the I mean the the way they've you know
they they've locked down the operating system but even just the distribution I
feel like would allow for just more business you know more opportunities for
uh you know app developers to figure out what apps to make and how to monetize
them because like for instance a big nuisance with the App Store is like
developers can't even do free trials that's like not allowed which is like a
thing that was is like an age-old thing in software distribution you know in the
'90s and early 2000s on on PCS and Macs but no no so they can't even do that and
then on top of all the other rules that they have to abide by and so you think
about the even the subscription you know the software as a service nightmare
we're all living in like I have I'm pretty confident that that is also you
know contributed to by just the the constraint App Store model and other
cultural issues so this could be a way
better device without that and even like the Vision Pro is this not was this not
my argument when we last talked about iPads I was saying I've always made this
argument wasn't we always talk about is touch screens wasn't I the one saying
that it should just be computer and you were like no it's just it's special it's
a special iPad it's a special child and needs to be protected
no that argument was whether a touchscreen should be on a Mac Oh and I
said no and whether macOS should be on an iPad I'm still going to probably say
no to though this keyboard because though this keyboard thing is really
confusing but um because an iPad is a touch device but like what would if if
app distribution wasn't so strained by Apple's um Power that they hold over the
platform like what are we missing out on in terms of like apps and possibilities
and then I think about the same thing with the Vision Pro it's basically under the same sort of regime like what what's
going to who's going to make who wants to make a app for that device let's talk
about yeah let's talk about the Vision Pro for a second we're flying through
topics wow yeah I haven't even tried it yet you haven't no I just I'm too I'm so
busy now I'll bring it over I'm so sorry you only need like half an hour I never
I never tried it because you had a motorcycle accident so I blame I Blame
You yeah I I did have it actually at home but they picked somebody picked it
up so okay so somebody picked it up and it was brought back to the office while
recovering CU lonus did a video yeah but I still never got to try it but
regardless it's on my desk so I'll bring it over it seemed like the Vision Pro
launched at a really weird time because too early there was like you
know three of the the biggest Tech buzzwords in the past few years have
been crypto metaverse and Ai and they've kind
of like waxed and waned as the others have like uh you know always done that
come into influence or or and and and went away and I feel like The Vision Pro
launched right as uh metaverse VR hype was like at its
lowest and the only reason that people started talking about it a little bit
more like again this year MH was because of the Vision Pro yeah so it was like it
was so it was so strange I mean like meta has you know put out the the quest
and the quest two and the quest three um and so like that's but that all kind of
just spoke to the the the niche that's into it whereas The Vision Pro kind of
like broke out it had a chance to break out into the wider Apple audience and
get them into VR now cuz they were just like I feel like a lot of Apple people
saw the quest headset or whatever and they were just kind of like okay
whatever LOL and then the Vision Pro came out they're like now this is a VR
headset this is how it's supposed to be but then it fell flat in his face and
everyone thinks it's a joke now $3,500 are you joking I well I mean I
think even when it was announced we were
all like okay okay like but I I I mean
when I was trying to figure out what the Vision Pro was going to be before it was
announced turned out there was this there's this idea of like spatial
Computing and not having everything confined to a screen which actually seems pretty great I've always loved the
idea yeah and so when Apple focused on that I said well that's kind of what we
figured out sounds like a great idea now in
execution uh it's there's nothing to do
cuz it's iPad apps or Vision Pro apps which are basically iPad apps just with
cool floating things yeah and then um
and then like a Mac screen extension and actually the the despite how amazing the
screen is it's still not like retina quality for like a Mac screen so you're
still going to have like fuzzy text and that's why the Windows for vision apps
are so big and then the field of view is really narrow and so like you literally
can look at like one you can look at like one big window in your field of
view at a time and so you're kind of it's not really what you would hope it
to be like it's th the Windows are too big you can't so you like when I like
tried this thing when I was reviewing where like I was like okay I'm going to have my Mac screen and I'll have like
teams here and my Twitter window and I'll have another app and it's like all
of a sudden their Windows are so big they're like literally like all around you like this and it's five Windows what
do you think that Apple would need to do
like they're it uh we know that they have well we don't know this but the
latest leaks uh from Mark German are
that they are kind of like they have lower model yeah narrower field of view
right but you know you got to it's got to be a
downgrade in some ways if it's going to be cheaper like like do you think that
this is do you think that they should have doubled down and gone with you know
what we're just going to keep the hardcore users who are still into it and
like just make it better it's just hard it's hard to make a headset like a the
same thing might just happen I feel like I feel like VR was a success among Tech
enthusiasts uh in so far as it like
appealed to non-apple tinkerer type people and there are a lot of Apple
Centric tinkerer type people but and they were probably playing with those
other headsets but I think that like the
Apple uh demographic is someone is is
someone who expects there to be a lot of Polish fit and finish there is po it's
polished oh it's very polished it's very polished but at the end of the day like you said in your video what are you
supposed to use this for like what is this thing for and no one really knows
um so I mean couple that with the fact
that like there was some basic functionality that was missing like a Netflix app and a YouTube app when
they're not making any apps still probably because of the app distribution
is there still no official YouTube app no no in fact Vision OS 2 the update is
now that like if you have a if you play have a video playback it can become its
own window and do the thing right from website there's third party YouTube apps
and there's a third part yeah of course but uh you know so there's no first
party one and I mean the first party YouTube app is already not very fun on
iPad with a mouse yeah so um I I just
don't see what the incentive is right now this is a nent product in a nent
field that's kind of very Niche and Apple's trying to treat it like the
iPhone in terms of app distribution this is the interesting thing about this
whole app distribution story is like Apple's control of app Distribution on
the was they were able to do that on the iPhone because everybody wanted a phone everyone needs a phone everyone uses a
phone it was a miniaturization of the computer it was like really handy it was
the future uh and it was really clear how that was going to be really cool and
like the expectations weren't that high either because phone apps before that
were like the closest type of apps you had before that was like Windows CE and
pal apps and like if you could find those that was great and or maybe
Blackberry right and so like it was it
it grew from something small yeah with the Vision Pro like it's kind of already
has to be big for it to work cuz it's a kind of a big thing if you think about
it spatially um and it to do that
requires a lot of effort and apple wants to take 30% of
that I think that I I can I can only see
so like this might be good for Apple these these these anti- steering
Provisions might be good for their
platforms what do you mean like if they if Apple can't now is like or if the DM
the dma means that Apple like the way the App Store Works uh and the app
distribution works on the iPhone doesn't work anymore on iPad though I guess it's
not a gatekeeper with vision OS they could still do that but anyway it's they
can do whatever they want within that metaverse what do they call it they had
Vision verse no I I I remember there was
a leak where it they uh there was there was some leak about what Apple wanted to
call their virtual reality instead of
metaverse they haded something else like a apple something maybe it's Apple
reality maybe that's already public and I just like have out of the loop there
but anyways um yeah the Vision Pro I
mean we'll see what happens I feel like
we don't have very much more time I want to talk about briefly let's just like
wrapid lightning around through wwc DC
stuff and apple intelligence okay biggest things do you remember off
the top of your head biggest things from WWDC because everyone was like this was
the best ww so annoying to say
dubdub just say that dubdub this was the biggest dubdub of any dub ever I didn't
feel like that um so you should fight
with people online a hit that I agree with that Everyone likes is iPhone
mirroring that'll be really cool though funny enough Apple's saying that we
can't add iPhone mirroring for EU customers cuz we don't know if it's
going to violate oh my gosh yeah and apple intelligence and yeah and apple
intelligence is the other thing um we have security concerns yeah so might not
be safe we're trying to keep you guys rhetorical we'll see uh if that persists
once they've kind of actually got the feature for other languages but um I
miss the app icon customization thing
have you seen that you missed it no no it's a it's a Miss oh it's a you don't
like it oh you saying miss me with that
app icon dark mode it's like dark mode icons and you can then customize the
color palette for them and oh man yeah I
I mean I don't like the way icons have looked since iOS 7 I think
I think that most people thought those like custom icons just like with a blank
uh with with like a color applied to all of them looks kind of ugly like Android
has had that for a while and I don't know if anyone uses it it just makes it things harder to find I don't know why
absolutely I don't know why but you can do it and I feel like that along with
things like the window snapping into
quadrants Ties on macOS people love
that there's a bunch of things that they announced at WWDC that just were like
hey people have been asking this for a long time and features of Windows and
Android for a long time and you know we're just going to throw them in now
like what happened something happened that their brains broke in the past year
you think so well then like what this is so there's so many things or they' been
like holding it I think that Now's the Time I think that maybe being forced
into changing their core identity in so
many ways with with some f you want us to be Android and Windows here you go
yeah honestly they're kind of like they're probably having a crisis of identity they're like we were the
company that didn't let anyone do anything and now they're making us let
people do things we're going to just let them do everything but they're going to
whine about it a lot they're going to do it but they're going to whine about it
they'll be whining about I mean they're ready they're do they've been whining the whole time uh yeah I don't know I
don't know if they're necessarily whining I mean if you want to say that the app icons look ugly that's them
whining it's like they're intentionally making like it's only dark mode for instance who customize it think yeah
then like okay I just think it looks ugly no matter what you do if you have
all of your not ugly per se it could look beautiful but it's like what's the
point of it looking kind of nice if you can't find customizing their app icons
with shortcuts a few years ago that was a bit of a trend and like you could do
custom icons already and they looked you could choose ones that looked better and
that were designed by you know designers and yeah it's so well I don't that's a
that's a Miss but moving being able to move the icons anywhere in the the screen is great uh
what else calculator on iPad oh yeah
finally that's cool it actually looks really cool yeah I'm curious how the
notation thing would work that'd be great in school back in the day this is something where I'm like I can't it's so
dumb that Apple hasn't had an a calculator app on the iPad this whole
time but at the same time I I have a
simultaneous feeling where I'm like fair enough because you clearly were taking
your time and you only wanted to put the calculator app on the iPad like I feel
like at some right this was a okay fine here you go WWDC it was it really was
but they they're like fine we'll put the calculator on the iPad but we'll make it
the coolest calculator app a cool yeah
everyone would have flipped out just for a regular calculator to be quite honest
um I don't you mean I don't want to necessarily rehash too much about WC but
it is my kind of take on I've been a bit of an AI uh what's the word what's what
the negative word cynic yeah yeah you
know my friend would always tell me about chat GPT look at this thing it
does and like writing stories for like uh another you know my another
friend's kid like who's a toddler and like oh wow you did that I and I'm like
I've just always been like why yeah and then now we have this so whole thing
where like you know Apple intelligence will summarize emails and then you can
get it to rewrite your own emails or like and it's like what are we what are
we doing basically grammarly but I when I was insecure
about writing I thought grammarly would look was going to be great and then I
never never I don't think we're not the target audience cuz we we are writers
and I feel like I know but I there was a time where I was very insecure about writing and I just got better at it and
now I I couldn't imagine I still hate writing actually part of the job the
solution for people is not to use is to keep just keep writing just get good
skill issue honestly well well how can you get good at writing if you don't
write well grammarly could help you or
or these this is not sponsored by grammarly but Apple intelligence any of
these AI powered summary tools the idea is that they like people don't know the
rules and so they'll write stuff and then that will tell them and maybe they
don't need it forever but for a while it'll help them kind of like get used to
like oh or it's just a crutch and they kind of offload their brain processing
to that and they never actually learn what the rules are because they know the
grammarly is going to or whatever is going to fix it Apple the Apple
intelligence yeah the the the private Cloud compute the sound is
happening I hope I hope it makes Siri better but it's only available on like
the iPhone 15 Pro and then M series devices and
so to go back to your point about like being a cynic I feel like I have I feel
like there you have more arguments about this I flip-flop you flip-flop because I
am I think so I think that when you look at AI tools primarily through like a
functional lens of like what can it do right now yeah yeah you're you're going
to be a cynic because you're going to be like I a writer I have tried to use chat
gbt for various things uh since it came out December 2022 I've been playing with
AI stuff the whole time yeah and I have yet to find a you know a way to actually
incorporate it into my workflow at least the way that like I work because we we
we just it just it wouldn't it's not useful to me what I do yeah uh I've I've
heard from lots of people who find it very useful in in what they do but I
think primarily not like writers who's
uh who where it's important to them that they are actually putting their own
thoughts onto paper uh the people who I've seen it be useful for and be
functionally you know valuable is to
non-writers who have to do writing tasks
but they don't care about them and they don't really care about the like the
nuances of the output and stuff concise I have two replies respon your answer
cannot be just be good just be better that's fair that's fair so one funny
thing is that same friend I was talking about he was like describing some a uh I
think like a client he was working with that work who would write these he was like this guy writes these very verbose
emails that I can't sus out and then he's then he today the other day he's
like I think he was using he was using chat GPT it's funny cuz you can you can
identify it now you can like look at something and you're like that's you're
just like offloading so if you if you're using Chad gbt to write this verbose
email to someone now you're offloading work to someone to like interpret what you mean from this like huge expansion
when you could have just emailed the prompt and I feel like because we don't
have a anthropics models available in Canada I don't know if you can get them
with a VPN for some reason I haven't tried Thats So anthropic is was made by
people who left open AI they thought that open AI wasn't being serious enough
about the safety issue so they and made their own models Claude the Claude
family and uh in in the past 6 months or
so claud's uh recent releases have kept
up with GPT 4 so they're they most
recently released Claude 3.5 Sonet which
apparently you know all the benchmarks are broken they don't actually really work but like according to cla's
anthropics own benchmarks they're like it's on par with gb4 and I feel like you
might change your mind about I'm coming
off as like a as an apologist right now an AI apologist but I'm not as I said
earlier um that's fine I'm ffing but I feel like the the the consensus is that
claud's answers are feel a lot more human and they're a lot less formulaic
unless you ask it to like summarize something and list uh you know factors
it'll just like give you pretty formulaic things but what I wanted to I
wanted to uh qualify my own answer by
saying there are times when I'm like okay I can see that the the use case
from people but most of the time right now yes it's useless I don't use it I
don't know anyone personally who regularly uses it however the thing that
is always interesting to me about AI
models is the fact that they are based off of uh structurally like a neural
network and that just gets my mind going with all these questions of philosophy
what is consciousness what how does our brain how do our minds actually work oh
no uh oh no well what it's interesting what go I will say this to bring it back
to Apple um you're right they they're kind
of AI stuff is features they're tools they're they're really specific so like
generative AutoFill in Photoshop is really great but like we had the Clone
tool the Clone stamp tool and then we had the like healing brush like it's
just another step in that case and then in the case of like we had spell check
and grammar check in the '90s I guess what Apple's introducing with apple
intelligence is like spell check but like we can do the whole thing for you
so and then Apple has their image generator which oh they look terrible uh
well and like anytime I see gener AI generated you know Works online I'm like
just something off and so like I don't
know mid Journey mid Journey does blow my mind sometimes sometimes but like one
in a million but most of it is is Garb yeah the um so like it feels like in
this case Apple was like just kind of throwing a bone being like look we're
doing machine learning here and this is and we're going to call it Apple
intelligence for you now and like here's the next steps of where we're going and
maybe they're like trying to maybe they were actually kind of their hand was
forced to show what they were working on ahead of time go absolutely they had
yeah and so and like and they kind of had to like fit it within what everyone else is doing which is a little unapp
likee because they usually go their own to their own horn and do their own thing
and they do it well years later but that just shows like the power the the the
the economic power of this whole like but they have all the money I don't know
why they need to car ridiculous wave of in well they have investors they still
have investors I I know but like you could just say like yeah they dropped
down they were they were this AI wave in the past two years or so yeah has
knocked Apple out of the top spot they're not the they were the most
valuable company Microsoft got up there because of all the investment in in Ai
and then NVIDIA got up there and now the three of them are just kind of switching
around every once in a while and apple
shot to the top again after they announced this what what's this little
bubble popping yeah the bubbles yeah I I am I am eagerly awaiting not Happ we
just there was just a recent interesting paper uh about uh researchers figured
out a they they developed a they say it's pre it's pre-print so who knows but
they developed a model that does not need gpus nearly as much they they
developed large language models that don't use Matrix multip
which is the thing that gpus do that
makes them so good at uh what about's neural engine well that was one of the
other like to bring it back to Apple again we're going to end soon but uh to
bring it back to Apple again the thing
that was cool about their reveal of Apple intelligence was the fact that
they're running most of this on device yeah they have their own TR hardest to
do that Elon Musk made a big freaking deal about how you're going to be sending all your data to open AI or
whatever but the vast majority of the cases when you use apple Intelligence on
an iPhone uh or or a Mac I guess or an
iPad is um uh is going to be using those
local models and they've been gearing up for that I mean I remember years I remember just a few years ago there was
an update to iOS where they they had they already were installing the neural
engine on their chips kind of small little on the iPhones and so then they
made an update to the photos app and they said like we can do the like you
know object recognition and face recognition on device MH and I was like
that's pretty cool actually that they're doing that whereas like Google photos like you had to upload everything into
their world and they would do it for you and so I remember I remember when that
when they announced that being like that's pretty cool that we can do that on device so like this is just the next
step where they're in a direction they're already going in and it's great
they're doing that now the thing is they're still if the device can't handle
the load they're going to send it to their servers um so there's a bit of a
bit of a risk there um and it's you know
I guess it's hard because the loads could get pretty heavy depending on what
you're asking for so to expect a little phone chip to do it all uh is a bit big
but I don't know it's just like it's I guess the thing if I I'm really
struggling with tech right now because it feels like everyone's shouting about
Technologies and like these like abstract ideas and there's like no
really like Humanity of like what are we
doing and what do you need to do and like how can we do that well and it's
like sometimes there's like those simple things which Apple historically has been
really good at just focusing on this is the new device and this is what you can
do with it and this is how we made it so wonderful to do that well honestly those
are the days as I miss that as much as I've given Apple crap in the past for
like releasing a feature that is
functionally similar to what other people have done before but they brand
it their their own special way and it's it's the Apple version yeah I've given
them crap for that but I feel like it
was it's seeing them incorporate AI in
the way that they have is actually uh I
like how they've done it because they showed an actual they
showed an actual demo of someone using
this and you know it's not a live demo like they used to do it's probably still
a lot of vaporware and they even said after saying that oh iOS 18 is going to
roll out this fall it's going to be that's where you're going to get the Apple intelligence and the new iPhones
they there was a recent thing we're saying it's not going to come till 2025
yeah delay Del but the demo that they show was someone asking Siri when is my
mom's flight coming in and because it has access to all of this on device data
that is encrypted and that only can be accessed by your stuff um it can it can
tell you that and I'm sure like Google will have some similar feature or whatever but the fact remains as you
said they're sending data to the servers that's the whole thing and I feel like
apple has the unique ability to take
this weird AI stuff that has been scaring people and exciting people and
actually give it to their uh user base
in a way that hopefully is is Smooths
things out and keeps things you know relatively private and makes things
actually useful because Apple does have that closed ecosystem of like all of
your stuff is with us I don't love that apple is like this closed ecosystem and
like we're not allowing you to do open things up but I think that we have these
Twin Dragons right now of privac of uh
of AI just like threatening to take people's jobs and vacuum up all the data
on the internet and fill the internet with AI generated slop and trick all of
our parents on Facebook and then on the other hand we have the dragon of Apple
like being like oh we're going to lock everything down you're not allowed to do
stuff but I feel like strangely the
solution to Dragon one might be something like Apple's approach where
it's like you know you can use AI stuff
but only in these very limited ways that we tell I wouldn't make the same
comparison because like why couldn't Google do on device like why can Android
have an on device because their whole business model is covering up data and
selling and apple does that as well but Apple's business model Apple's business
they don't have a search engine Apple's closed ecosystem
H is their business model yes exactly
exactly okay but then that's true yeah
but again with with app distribution Apple can realize the dream of the
Humane pin but with app distribution then on a like the difference there is
like app distrib like Macs have open app distribution they wouldn't ever have
these problems that they would like apple wouldn't get sued because of the way app distributions on a Mac but
they're still a closed ecosystem right so the app distribution and that are
kind of separate things it's just about like when is the like power tip when is
it tip over into being like okay it's a little too much now you're controlling
way too much yeah like I mean you know I'm not I'm not saying we need to give
all Apple all the power or whatever obviously I think that the EU could
should continue and and China and whoever should continue just yeah
ripping them open um but I just hope
that they uh I hope that they retained the part of their soul that allows them
to keep your data private encrypted on your device and give your private AI
access to that without ever having to phone home I I think that that is great
that's that is honestly I think that is the future of AI yeah you know I'm I I I
agree with you that the bubble's probably going to pop pretty soon I
don't know who knows that's the thing we don't know but I think it has to pop it
has to pop at some point because exponential grow it's going to deflate in this really annoying kind of like no
like way you know what I mean it's like it's either going to pop or we're just
going to go straight straight line into cyber Punk dystopia where everything is
AI and and we're screwed at that point
someone compared it to pollution y we're definitely polluting
the internet yeah there's a lot of manually turn out crap you know eight
years ago it's crazy all right let's wrap this up um overall I think that uh
it was great to catch up with you again Jonathan how good to be back and good to
catch up with you too I miss our conversations I do as well yeah I I wish
we could always Dev into philosophy and I go what I want to argue with you about
iPads again at some point so we'll have you back and uh that sound great until
then just uh you know keep keep on keep on repping keep on repping Tim Cook and
the boys and the girls I'll try and everybody at that uh one infinite loop I
don't know why I'm trying to end this like a like a adult easy listening radio
but I'm kind of leaning that way do you have we should find a song in APM and
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