1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,480 wow you must have some pent up Apple thoughts in that in that brain of yours 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:10,639 what makes you say that you've been you haven't had an outlet you've been you've 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:17,439 been stuck inside I've been stuck inside for almost two and a half three months 4 00:00:13,559 --> 00:00:19,800 physically and spiritually and mentally 5 00:00:17,439 --> 00:00:26,480 yes other other ways I was I got in a motorcycle accident Jonathan horse in 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:29,400 March I broke my shoulder right in the 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:34,079 shoulder had to get surgery that's wild so screw 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:36,440 drilled into my shoulder jeez and uh and 9 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:40,840 then I had to recover did you do a whole breakdown of every single thing wrong 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:45,000 with your body in the Mac Address video or is that I summarized it I did a whole 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:48,160 breakdown in a Twitter thread and I kind of summarized it pretty well we we 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:54,520 grabbed the skeleton for the Mac Address video and I pointed at the places where I wrote my phones you should do a flow 13 00:00:51,719 --> 00:00:59,079 plane exclusive just kind of like a body tour it's of the new mods it's like a 14 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:03,600 small little yeah I mean I there's there's x-ray photos 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:08,040 in that video too so yeah it's uh it's like it's small stuff and like things 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:13,000 are healing it just takes a while but like they had to cut my shoulder open to 17 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:17,000 fix it so oh my gosh so I couldn't I had to basically wait for my shoulder to 18 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:22,119 build itself back up so like my rotation this rotation still almost there but now 19 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:26,360 I can like do things so if people want to get all of the grizzly detail watch 20 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:30,520 the latest Mac just video start at the beginning or go to your stay for the 21 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:36,399 rest yeah yeah or cuz you did do some recent Apple videos 22 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:39,159 it I just no it's that was the video I 23 00:01:36,399 --> 00:01:43,399 finished well I did the wwc video but I finished the latest video is the one I 24 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:47,040 started on before the accident which is on the Vision Pro yeah yeah you you just 25 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:53,360 put out your vision but you there was some new things to kind of update it with which you did I feel like uh I 26 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:57,320 watched it I didn't I didn't no there's not really nothing there's not much new 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,960 didn't you have the you had the 3D photo viewing thing in there yeah I didn't but 28 00:01:59,399 --> 00:02:06,880 I haven't tried Vision OS I haven't tried any of the betas cuz I'm too 29 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:09,800 scared they're betas and you're an alpha 30 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:13,120 so that's right riding motorcycles no one can stop you and you're still going 31 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:19,480 to ride I stop I'm going yeah I got a new bike and uh I just got it uh service 32 00:02:16,599 --> 00:02:23,879 today mhm so we're getting close to back of the road but I have less than a month 33 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:27,720 to do my road test before I have to start the whole process again if I don't 34 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:32,720 pass it so we'll see how things go it'll be an exciting and the next accident you 35 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:37,680 get into has to be even more intense or otherwise no no no please no well I'm 36 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:43,080 like mad about like how dumb how like intense the Accident Injury was 37 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:46,200 considering how careful I am and how not 38 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:48,760 fast I was going just like it's like 39 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:54,280 what when you care and all the gear I was wearing like it like ruined no well 40 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:58,040 the helmet GE Jonathan the helmet was ruined obviously because you can only 41 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:02,560 use it once but I I got the I like a leather suit I got that fixed you're uh 42 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:08,440 you're more badass than I'll ever be listen I rode twice so we're not but 43 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:13,640 still the idea I don't think I'll ever get on a motorcycle no well I I just 44 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:18,760 don't want to I don't want to do it fair fair because okay wait we may or may not 45 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:25,440 include this part sure but do you remember like I feel like a couple weeks 46 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:30,120 before you got in your accident I had a conversation with you where I 47 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:34,840 specifically said to you you got a motorcycle are you 48 00:03:32,519 --> 00:03:40,319 crazy do you want to get an accident I said that it was rude of me to say that 49 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,439 what no but what did I say what said I 50 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:46,560 probably said you were just kind of like you know you know hopefully not YOLO you 51 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:51,239 know like I think you were like I want to do it it seems cool why you know you 52 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:55,120 can be safe well I brought up some like fake statistic that wasn't actually 53 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:58,280 accurate about how motorcycle people get in more accidents but it's not actually 54 00:03:57,079 --> 00:04:03,040 that they get in more accidents that the accidents they get in are more 55 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:07,120 severe I think well yeah I mean I do think there there's like a common thing 56 00:04:04,799 --> 00:04:09,760 where it's like it's not if but when but I guess that's the same with cars so it 57 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:15,760 might be the similar in terms of that and like yeah the risks are higher cuz like if something goes wrong like you're 58 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:18,959 flying wherever right um or if you hit a car or car hits you this was just a 59 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:23,040 single fical accident it was just me being just being fcked off the bike but 60 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:28,600 you're flying in the accident and then you're flying at the hospital when they give you morphine 61 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:32,080 yeah stupid yeah no they give me ketamine for one surgery hell yeah and 62 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:37,560 I'm like they're like you're going to have a nice high and I'm like okay and then where do I and I didn't know where 63 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,759 I didn't know what nice thing to think about and then all of a sudden I was like I wonder where I'm going to go and 64 00:04:40,039 --> 00:04:45,479 then I ended up in the like Halls of the palace in Dune and I was like oh that's 65 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,400 cool that's awesome I'm like telling them as I'm coming too I can hear them 66 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:54,800 talking I'm like telling them like I'm in Dune but then I also I also shouted 67 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:59,160 whatever man no they were very busy yet and then I shouted no they sh they 68 00:04:56,280 --> 00:05:03,400 shouted lizard I also shouted what did I do to my myself which is an interesting 69 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:08,560 thing but we don't have to include that either but anyway which mu would never 70 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:13,800 say I mean I well I remember saying it thinking like yeah that's true like what 71 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:16,720 a true thought um so you know let's get 72 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:20,240 to Apple though it's been a while um so much has happened the most recent thing 73 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:25,639 that has happened which I feel like we should start with for the sake of the 74 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:28,720 algorithm is the RCs support apple just 75 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:30,280 add they announced it at WWDC barely 76 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:34,440 barely I missed they announced so many things I 77 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:38,000 literally wrote in my notes where's RCS and then someone's like oh no it's in 78 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,080 the bento box and I was like what they like and then apparently they mentioned 79 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:46,720 it the Bento Box you know when they they show at the end they're like and those that's iOS and they show oh right yeah 80 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:49,759 the thing comes in yeah so that's so annoying when they have stuff in there 81 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:55,319 that I was like huh what I think it was also mentioned by the executive in the 82 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,400 presentation too but I must have like my 83 00:05:55,319 --> 00:06:02,400 attention was for one second not on the video and you missed the one but they 84 00:06:00,479 --> 00:06:06,759 really did not want to talk about it it's so hard to keep up with all that 85 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:12,360 stuff but regardless they rolled it out just uh we're filming this on Thursday 86 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:19,520 uh June 27th this is going to come out on Monday um and they just rolled it out 87 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:21,160 in the past day or two and you know one 88 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:27,800 thing that I people were talking about is the fact that some of the headlines say the green bubble nightmare is 89 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:32,680 over um but of course the green bubbles are still there yeah this it's it's 90 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:37,000 I uh snazzy Labs tweeted some screenshots of him trying it out I 91 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:42,319 haven't tried it myself cuz uh I'm terrified of baas but um but uh it's 92 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:47,800 really funny to look at cuz it's like you have the green bubbles and then there's a read receipt underneath and 93 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:53,400 like the uh oh God what are they called now I hate when the words the tapbacks 94 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:58,000 there's tapbacks right with the Emojis yeah it it supports tapbacks and reader 95 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:03,120 seats and so it just it does oh wow it looks like I was trying to look up what 96 00:07:00,199 --> 00:07:05,840 the actual support looks like uh I I believe you well I mean in the 97 00:07:04,479 --> 00:07:08,919 screenshot you could see the tap back working so I imagine it includes that 98 00:07:07,919 --> 00:07:14,800 the pictures are going to be high quality honestly pretty excited uh it's 99 00:07:12,919 --> 00:07:19,319 high quality media is the biggest thing that is the biggest exciting thing for 100 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,919 me I hate this I like I I'll I'll 101 00:07:19,319 --> 00:07:24,879 message stuff to my parents or my parents will message stuff to me my 102 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:30,199 whole family is well one of my brothers is on Android and the rest of my family 103 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:31,720 is all iPhone and uh 104 00:07:30,199 --> 00:07:36,800 do you get the bad quality or do they get the bad quality every Everybody 105 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:42,639 suffers because of Apple's hubris not even huis what the quality of a photo 106 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:44,759 nonsense it it it it like you can you 107 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:48,639 can you can even tell from the small preview that it's like pixelated and I 108 00:07:47,159 --> 00:07:52,960 just like it's funny people talk about it and I know that the spec isn't great 109 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:56,960 it looks like the bit rate is like way too low so it's not that it's is it for 110 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:01,960 videos specifically it's for videos and photos but now with RCS I mean so it's 111 00:08:00,039 --> 00:08:08,680 just in the beta so it's not rolling out to every iPhone right now but it will in 112 00:08:04,759 --> 00:08:11,759 the fall uh be available and so I 113 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,599 mean it to it took so long but we're 114 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:18,120 finally here and it's one of those things like one broad thing that I want 115 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:22,919 to talk to you about yeah in terms of apple and and recent changes that 116 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:28,639 they've made is that Apple especially when it comes to the iOS and iPad OS 117 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:34,360 ecosystems they're they're kind of being forced and they're fighting it every 118 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:43,080 step of the way but they are being forced to become a lot less Apple like 119 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:44,880 like oh interesting because take RCS 120 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:50,279 support yeah this is something that they would never add they ignored Google's 121 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:54,440 very very very public campaigns to get them to add it for years and years and 122 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:59,240 years and now the only reason that they're adding it correct me if I'm 123 00:08:56,399 --> 00:09:03,920 wrong is because of the EU it's China actually 124 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:06,519 being like China fascism light and just 125 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:10,440 no it's China continue China well I don't know the specifics joke about the 126 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:15,480 fascism by the way from what I heard um it was actually China mandating RCS not 127 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:19,120 the EU okay wait what do you mean China had some sort of thing where they want 128 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:23,839 now elded phone makers to support RCS was that before or after the EU it was a 129 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,920 little bit before cuz they had announce that they were going to add RCS a while 130 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,920 back well I'll take your word for it but regardless I think that the overall 131 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:35,760 trend in like this is happening in China I think uh Japan has has had some pretty 132 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:38,680 good uh strong regulation Korea as well regarding the app stores at least well 133 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:44,320 they working on well Japan just announced something just recently yeah 134 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:47,640 the eu's been working on something it is things are getting chipped away at I 135 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:54,120 think the US will get there eventually yeah Canada will get there after we 136 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:56,200 start you know finish making stupid laws 137 00:09:54,120 --> 00:10:00,320 then we might have something it's going to get we're not going to get into C11 138 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:04,079 right now but it it might old we have c59 now it is old but I I feel like 139 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:09,079 recently I've heard that this might just like die because there's going to be a 140 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:13,760 regime change anyways that's neither here nor there that's not smile on his 141 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:18,959 face that's not Apple that's not Apple listen so how do you feel about this as 142 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:23,560 an apple person do you feel like something is being taken away I no okay 143 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:29,320 even though their features being tell you something along with apple one thing 144 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:32,600 I'm interested in is uh Annie trust and 145 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:34,320 antimonopoly movement uh and so I'm like 146 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,760 this is pretty good actually it's pretty good interesting to see it's pretty 147 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:42,639 interesting to see kind of governments in the regulatory structure kind of wake 148 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:45,000 up and be like do we want is this good 149 00:10:42,639 --> 00:10:47,480 is this the way we want things to be um they're doing it in weird ways and 150 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:55,120 everyone's kind of doing it in a different way um and it's going to be interesting to see I guess which way 151 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:58,399 prevails but like the thing is Apple's 152 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,480 App Store probably was always destined 153 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:05,160 to be chipped away because it just got so controlling and like it was sort of 154 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:08,800 the strange nature of when the iPhone came out there was no app store because 155 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:12,560 they didn't want to have any apps and like I I watched I actually the other 156 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,639 day watched like the presentation where Steve was like this is how apps would 157 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:20,320 work web apps would work on it and it was like a website with like app buttons 158 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:25,000 that look like it just was like crazy it was just still on a website and then the 159 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:28,600 next year uh they added the App Store sometimes I wonder if it was always part 160 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:31,639 of the plan and they just they needed to like get it this way but it was like 161 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:35,560 specifically they had to control what apps were on that platform and they kind 162 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:39,920 of had the opportunity to and the reg regulatory environment wasn't really 163 00:11:37,399 --> 00:11:45,519 paying attention to any trust and any of that stuff at all um at that point so 164 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:51,760 they just they just did it and no one everyone's like oh that sounds great I 165 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:54,560 can and it's I can understand the 166 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:59,560 initial App Store uh roll out being like exciting it was because web apps were 167 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:04,480 not as good as these these like you want actual applications to run on your 168 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:07,760 little computer yeah um and I think that 169 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:11,279 the the uh kind of insulated App Store 170 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:13,720 model was copied by by not just Google I 171 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:17,360 mean like there you know the Blackberry ecosystem existed at at time as well 172 00:12:15,959 --> 00:12:22,399 there were other yeah I'm trying to remember it really just transformed into 173 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:27,399 completely just Android and iPhone but it shook out that way yeah yeah and and 174 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:33,279 the Play Store itself you know you can you can sideload uh apps on Android but 175 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:38,920 you know you see epic attacking Google as well yeah and Google lost that last I 176 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:41,240 think that the closed you know insul App 177 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Store model is uh opening up and becoming less and 178 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:50,399 less sensible as phones become more and more capable yeah oh yeah yeah 179 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:55,760 absolutely so now people are just like okay this used to be a phone now it's 180 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:59,880 just another computer yeah computer exactly what's happening yeah is a is 181 00:12:57,639 --> 00:13:04,680 the recognition of that precisely yeah and I think that you have people like 182 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:07,959 epic game CEO Tim Sweeney who comes in 183 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:09,560 here and is like hey it's obviously a 184 00:13:07,959 --> 00:13:12,920 computer it was always a computer I don't know why anyone didn't treat it 185 00:13:10,959 --> 00:13:17,560 like a computer and it's like ridiculous that you can't like treat it just like 186 00:13:15,199 --> 00:13:22,040 your desktop PC and sideload whatever you want and and modify and do whatever 187 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:27,320 you want and so he's been attacking both Apple and Google yeah 188 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:33,600 um and it's been fascinating to see I I did a tech longer on the Apple on the 189 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:35,880 Apple versus epic yeah which epic lost 190 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:40,160 you're going to say we want to get into that but they won against Google and we 191 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:44,000 can talk about that after but that to me is is fascinating that they just won 192 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:48,399 against Google and Google Now is in a position of having to like change stuff 193 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:54,639 it was a different trial I think Google was more blatant uh the judge the judge 194 00:13:51,839 --> 00:13:57,600 was also not as differential to Google the judge and it was a it was a jury 195 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,839 trial and the judge literally said to the jury cuz there was evidence coming 196 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:06,079 out that Google had like deleted messages and emails and like tried to 197 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:11,800 hide things behind privilege the so the judge L told the jury like just assume 198 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:17,199 any uh documentation we don't have makes Google look bad he told the jury that 199 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:20,560 exactly so they definitely fair enough you know they definitely lost you 200 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:25,600 deleted it why did you delete it you know yeah yeah what was the 201 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:31,360 reason so and it's still coming up another lost against Google but um yeah 202 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:36,600 with the Apple versus epic lawsuit the one thing there was the uh the judge 203 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:40,959 ordered that apple is permanently restrained from prohibiting developers 204 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:45,079 from including uh in their apps buttons and external links to say hey you can 205 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:49,440 buy this on our website right this is the practice known as steering yeah and 206 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:56,000 so it was said that Apple has anti- steering mechanisms that they have now 207 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:57,519 been uh well in various they're they're 208 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:02,759 forced to open it up they were forced to open up and then they did the most Apple 209 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:08,000 Way the most malicious compliance way so they're like okay well uh you know you 210 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:13,160 you would be paying us 30% if you uh you know used our payment system so it's a 211 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:18,680 27% commission if you use these external links and if that's if the purchase made 212 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:20,519 within seven days yeah of the um of the 213 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:25,399 thing so there's Milian compliance there and uh the judge isn't happy I would 214 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:30,360 love to do a whole breakdown I know but like it happened a while ago and we did 215 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,800 a breakdown on Tech link I'm sure you 216 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:36,720 any there is an update to that but the tldr is that well epic complained yeah 217 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,360 yeah and they just had some hearings in May I actually tuned into a couple of 218 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:45,959 them because I was really curious about him and the judge is not happy and the judge was literally like okay so how did 219 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:49,680 you send to the I did I did she's like how did you come up with the 27% 220 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,759 commission rate they're like well the pricing commission does that she's like 221 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:57,079 do you have any documentation for that I think so and she's like please submit 222 00:15:54,440 --> 00:16:03,639 the documentation and Apple's like here you go and she's like no I need more and 223 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:05,240 it's it's escalated that she now I love 224 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:10,000 this she referred the case to another judge just to deal with the 225 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:13,319 documentation Discovery again I love I 226 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:15,720 love this whole like Tech Giants being 227 00:16:13,319 --> 00:16:20,160 brought in to law suits like for antitrust thing and like people in 228 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:24,639 government and in positions of power being like hold on wait so you're doing 229 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:29,959 cuz they they're not paying attention this is like a lot of like non very not 230 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:32,240 very technically Savvy people 231 00:16:29,959 --> 00:16:35,000 yeah they have to be they're bringing in experts to tell them about the stuff but 232 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:39,680 like they're having these Reactions where they're like hold on a second wait 233 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:43,000 you don't let anyone do this thing that seems like they should do it they should 234 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:46,519 be able to do it they're like well or like how did you come up with this 235 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:49,759 number they're like we don't know it's like oh okay you didn't like look and 236 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:55,360 she's also asking like how many developers are like adopting it and they're like 50 that's a huge amount 237 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:59,720 yeah how much profit are you making from your app store and from your Services 238 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:06,240 overall well we don't even know if it's profitable we think it might be but yeah 239 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:09,240 I don't know laws are suggestions um that's what that's how we what we're 240 00:17:07,919 --> 00:17:15,799 really literally dealing with so anyway it's really interesting we'll see how that goes but the it's clear that um 241 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:20,839 that's getting chipped away at so this is this is all to do with with American 242 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:27,120 legislation I know yeah well yeah in the EU they just got charged for cuz they 243 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:30,480 they they the EU said you have to do you 244 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:32,000 have to you allowed developers to steer 245 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:36,720 people to their websites with with buttons in the app and you know you got 246 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:40,919 to let other app stores in right that's yeah that's the whole thing but just 247 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:45,799 recently the the charges that they laid um yeah the steering ones this week yeah 248 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:51,120 they were saying that okay you let developers have buttons in your in their 249 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:55,240 apps but they're not allowed to say anything about the buttons SC screen 250 00:17:53,720 --> 00:18:00,200 yeah yeah yeah they're like the the developers basically saying I made this joke in TechLink the developers are 251 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:06,159 basically just saying like like here's a button to our website and the users are 252 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:10,280 like I think I saw I mean great job there oh good job putting a button there 253 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:14,640 but like the developers can't say we have a sale on things we you can get a 254 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:17,799 cheaper rate on our website they just have they they're only allowed to say 255 00:18:16,159 --> 00:18:22,440 here's a button goes I think I saw one one example I think I I it's probably on 256 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:25,960 my iPad where the uh the example like apple show is like it's just a link to 257 00:18:24,039 --> 00:18:28,919 their homepage but it's on the top of the app and it's not even like they're 258 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:33,320 not even allowed to put it in a button looking button it has to like look like 259 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:40,400 a just ww.com and then like a little like this is a linkout icon yeah it's uh 260 00:18:36,919 --> 00:18:43,600 is it's very it's it's Bare Bones so it 261 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:46,240 the EU the EU is an interesting case 262 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:51,760 because everyone they everyone I've been hearing people say like oh you know the 263 00:18:48,159 --> 00:18:53,000 dma is not very well uh written and like 264 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:57,000 you know how are they going to enforce this and it seems like the way the EU is 265 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:01,240 doing it is they're like this is what we want you to do and we're going to see 266 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:05,559 how do that and if we don't like it we're going to let you know uh and so 267 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:09,520 it's there's like a bit of vaguery there but then oh man it's so convoluted yeah 268 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:13,440 I mean there's lots of things we can say about how the EU is approaching the 269 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:18,400 regulation I mean like it kind of it gets into sort of political ideas about 270 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:23,679 whether you think that these Tech shes should be regulated and all that stuff 271 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:25,760 but I will say about the EU that 272 00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:30,919 generally when we Rec report on this stuff on Tech link We like cheer that 273 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:32,240 the EU is forcing a Tech Giant to to do 274 00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:37,679 something that they don't want to do right because the reason why they're not doing it they don't want to do it is 275 00:19:35,159 --> 00:19:40,640 because foring it and maximize their profits and all that stuff they don't 276 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:46,480 care about the user experience until users complain like you know to such a 277 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,080 degree but uh the one thing that came 278 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:52,039 out recently about the EU they're they're they're they're also planning 279 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:57,640 this chat control I mean they're not planning it oh they have propos members 280 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,640 of the European Union government have 281 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:03,600 proposed this uh legislation a back door for yeah that 282 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:10,039 basically you know they're saying that we want to scan uh all messages whether 283 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:13,520 they're encrypted or not for you know 284 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:16,559 legal images and so 285 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,799 uh you know I think generally most 286 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:25,120 people seem to be against that in the text V and the even more heinous part is 287 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:28,000 that they they had baked in a exception 288 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:33,400 for government officials and for law enforcement and stuff their their phones 289 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:37,480 don't have to be scanned yeah like I mean in that case if we want to talk 290 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:41,840 about that in that case there's a difference between say but it was I 291 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:45,679 should say the proposals were rejected so so that is not like moving forward at 292 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:50,240 this point but they're probably going to bring it back at some point go ahead well there's a difference between 293 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:55,640 something like that and say and then this dma where wherein like what the 294 00:20:53,799 --> 00:21:01,400 government was what the what the EU was proposing with the um with the chat mess 295 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:05,000 messaging is like access to personal personal messages between each other and 296 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:09,760 you could put a you could put you could say like well a message I send to you 297 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:13,200 and you send to me individually like that doesn't really have that much 298 00:21:11,559 --> 00:21:16,520 spreadability it's like the issue is when you can like send mass messages out 299 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:21,400 that's like the most concerning right so it's like what's the level of like what we're dealing with and then in the case 300 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:25,000 of something like the dma we're dealing with a company that has that is like 301 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:28,720 spreading its power over to over millions of people right right then 302 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:34,840 maybe we should deal with that like it's like kind of this importance of like impact yeah and so well and apple 303 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:38,039 doesn't have that much impact as much impact in the UA in the EU as they do in 304 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:42,720 the US true the interesting thing about all 305 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:49,200 this EU regulation stuff is hearing Europeans say that like they Android 306 00:21:46,919 --> 00:21:53,600 they're like IM iMessage doesn't allow parity of features between iPhone users 307 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:58,600 and Android users oh my gosh regulate them like put them in jail and the EU 308 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,960 users are like but the EU no one uses 309 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:04,520 they all use WhatsApp even the iPhone users in but the dma isn't just 310 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:08,880 targeting Apple like it's they're tar it's a gatekeeper as well I think when 311 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:13,320 the rhetoric is all like anti-apple they're kind of like who cares if you're 312 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:19,360 a gatekeeper uh you're you're locking the 313 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:22,720 gates do it again and look at the camera if you're a 314 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:27,640 gatekeeper you're locking the gates 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00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:57,919 is this the official Apple thing yeah 335 00:23:55,159 --> 00:24:02,919 wow we're getting it this is the new M4 iPad Pro with the OLED screen I love how 336 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,960 stiff that is it's a very well made but that keyboard's a dangerous thing cuz 337 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:09,679 you expect it to work like a PC watch out for the pencil you can Apple's 338 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:15,600 really gone downhill man no no no at this that's good cuz at least it didn't 339 00:24:11,159 --> 00:24:19,000 fall off the fit and finish missing I 340 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:21,760 miss reviewing I miss reviewing iPads do 341 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:28,080 you I should I should every time I think about like asking James if I can if I 342 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:30,720 can review another iPad I'm like no I I 343 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:35,000 don't there's just no time oh I see game link is my child now iPads used to be 344 00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:41,600 the thing anyways go ahead you've been using this device would probably be way 345 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:44,880 more capable and way better without the 346 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:47,360 App Store exclusivity model it is insane 347 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:52,279 to me that they still haven't like opened up iPad OS well they are even 348 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:57,159 just but even just the distribution of the I mean the the way they've you know 349 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:01,399 they they've locked down the operating system but even just the distribution I 350 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:06,880 feel like would allow for just more business you know more opportunities for 351 00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:10,880 uh you know app developers to figure out what apps to make and how to monetize 352 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:14,200 them because like for instance a big nuisance with the App Store is like 353 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:17,760 developers can't even do free trials that's like not allowed which is like a 354 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:22,080 thing that was is like an age-old thing in software distribution you know in the 355 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:27,200 '90s and early 2000s on on PCS and Macs but no no so they can't even do that and 356 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:31,760 then on top of all the other rules that they have to abide by and so you think 357 00:25:29,159 --> 00:25:35,520 about the even the subscription you know the software as a service nightmare 358 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:40,399 we're all living in like I have I'm pretty confident that that is also you 359 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:45,240 know contributed to by just the the constraint App Store model and other 360 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,799 cultural issues so this could be a way 361 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:51,159 better device without that and even like the Vision Pro is this not was this not 362 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:55,640 my argument when we last talked about iPads I was saying I've always made this 363 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,880 argument wasn't we always talk about is touch screens wasn't I the one saying 364 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:03,120 that it should just be computer and you were like no it's just it's special it's 365 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:07,960 a special iPad it's a special child and needs to be protected 366 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:14,200 no that argument was whether a touchscreen should be on a Mac Oh and I 367 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:19,120 said no and whether macOS should be on an iPad I'm still going to probably say 368 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:23,080 no to though this keyboard because though this keyboard thing is really 369 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:29,000 confusing but um because an iPad is a touch device but like what would if if 370 00:26:26,399 --> 00:26:33,880 app distribution wasn't so strained by Apple's um Power that they hold over the 371 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:37,399 platform like what are we missing out on in terms of like apps and possibilities 372 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:43,279 and then I think about the same thing with the Vision Pro it's basically under the same sort of regime like what what's 373 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,399 going to who's going to make who wants to make a app for that device let's talk 374 00:26:45,159 --> 00:26:50,880 about yeah let's talk about the Vision Pro for a second we're flying through 375 00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:56,640 topics wow yeah I haven't even tried it yet you haven't no I just I'm too I'm so 376 00:26:53,679 --> 00:27:01,200 busy now I'll bring it over I'm so sorry you only need like half an hour I never 377 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:06,720 I never tried it because you had a motorcycle accident so I blame I Blame 378 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:11,120 You yeah I I did have it actually at home but they picked somebody picked it 379 00:27:08,399 --> 00:27:15,159 up so okay so somebody picked it up and it was brought back to the office while 380 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:18,080 recovering CU lonus did a video yeah but I still never got to try it but 381 00:27:16,399 --> 00:27:23,039 regardless it's on my desk so I'll bring it over it seemed like the Vision Pro 382 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:29,399 launched at a really weird time because too early there was like you 383 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:33,919 know three of the the biggest Tech buzzwords in the past few years have 384 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:40,840 been crypto metaverse and Ai and they've kind 385 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:46,159 of like waxed and waned as the others have like uh you know always done that 386 00:27:44,399 --> 00:27:51,960 come into influence or or and and and went away and I feel like The Vision Pro 387 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:57,640 launched right as uh metaverse VR hype was like at its 388 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,760 lowest and the only reason that people started talking about it a little bit 389 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:06,679 more like again this year MH was because of the Vision Pro yeah so it was like it 390 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:11,600 was so it was so strange I mean like meta has you know put out the the quest 391 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:16,159 and the quest two and the quest three um and so like that's but that all kind of 392 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:20,279 just spoke to the the the niche that's into it whereas The Vision Pro kind of 393 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:24,519 like broke out it had a chance to break out into the wider Apple audience and 394 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:28,799 get them into VR now cuz they were just like I feel like a lot of Apple people 395 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:33,120 saw the quest headset or whatever and they were just kind of like okay 396 00:28:30,919 --> 00:28:37,360 whatever LOL and then the Vision Pro came out they're like now this is a VR 397 00:28:34,919 --> 00:28:40,960 headset this is how it's supposed to be but then it fell flat in his face and 398 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:46,960 everyone thinks it's a joke now $3,500 are you joking I well I mean I 399 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:50,720 think even when it was announced we were 400 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,000 all like okay okay like but I I I mean 401 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:56,200 when I was trying to figure out what the Vision Pro was going to be before it was 402 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:59,720 announced turned out there was this there's this idea of like spatial 403 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:05,360 Computing and not having everything confined to a screen which actually seems pretty great I've always loved the 404 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:09,320 idea yeah and so when Apple focused on that I said well that's kind of what we 405 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:14,480 figured out sounds like a great idea now in 406 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:17,120 execution uh it's there's nothing to do 407 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:22,960 cuz it's iPad apps or Vision Pro apps which are basically iPad apps just with 408 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,960 cool floating things yeah and then um 409 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:29,080 and then like a Mac screen extension and actually the the despite how amazing the 410 00:29:27,399 --> 00:29:32,320 screen is it's still not like retina quality for like a Mac screen so you're 411 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:36,640 still going to have like fuzzy text and that's why the Windows for vision apps 412 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:40,679 are so big and then the field of view is really narrow and so like you literally 413 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:45,559 can look at like one you can look at like one big window in your field of 414 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:50,320 view at a time and so you're kind of it's not really what you would hope it 415 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:53,360 to be like it's th the Windows are too big you can't so you like when I like 416 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,720 tried this thing when I was reviewing where like I was like okay I'm going to have my Mac screen and I'll have like 417 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,120 teams here and my Twitter window and I'll have another app and it's like all 418 00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:08,000 of a sudden their Windows are so big they're like literally like all around you like this and it's five Windows what 419 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,480 do you think that Apple would need to do 420 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:15,360 like they're it uh we know that they have well we don't know this but the 421 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:18,080 latest leaks uh from Mark German are 422 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:23,279 that they are kind of like they have lower model yeah narrower field of view 423 00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:26,919 right but you know you got to it's got to be a 424 00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:30,279 downgrade in some ways if it's going to be cheaper like like do you think that 425 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,799 this is do you think that they should have doubled down and gone with you know 426 00:30:32,919 --> 00:30:41,000 what we're just going to keep the hardcore users who are still into it and 427 00:30:38,679 --> 00:30:46,399 like just make it better it's just hard it's hard to make a headset like a the 428 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:54,440 same thing might just happen I feel like I feel like VR was a success among Tech 429 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:57,120 enthusiasts uh in so far as it like 430 00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:02,799 appealed to non-apple tinkerer type people and there are a lot of Apple 431 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:07,559 Centric tinkerer type people but and they were probably playing with those 432 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:11,679 other headsets but I think that like the 433 00:31:07,559 --> 00:31:13,760 Apple uh demographic is someone is is 434 00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:17,600 someone who expects there to be a lot of Polish fit and finish there is po it's 435 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:22,480 polished oh it's very polished it's very polished but at the end of the day like you said in your video what are you 436 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:29,480 supposed to use this for like what is this thing for and no one really knows 437 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,600 um so I mean couple that with the fact 438 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:36,399 that like there was some basic functionality that was missing like a Netflix app and a YouTube app when 439 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:40,080 they're not making any apps still probably because of the app distribution 440 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:45,559 is there still no official YouTube app no no in fact Vision OS 2 the update is 441 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:49,320 now that like if you have a if you play have a video playback it can become its 442 00:31:47,159 --> 00:31:52,720 own window and do the thing right from website there's third party YouTube apps 443 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,760 and there's a third part yeah of course but uh you know so there's no first 444 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:03,960 party one and I mean the first party YouTube app is already not very fun on 445 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:05,200 iPad with a mouse yeah so um I I just 446 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:10,799 don't see what the incentive is right now this is a nent product in a nent 447 00:32:08,919 --> 00:32:15,000 field that's kind of very Niche and Apple's trying to treat it like the 448 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:18,399 iPhone in terms of app distribution this is the interesting thing about this 449 00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:21,720 whole app distribution story is like Apple's control of app Distribution on 450 00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:25,279 the was they were able to do that on the iPhone because everybody wanted a phone everyone needs a phone everyone uses a 451 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:30,120 phone it was a miniaturization of the computer it was like really handy it was 452 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,399 the future uh and it was really clear how that was going to be really cool and 453 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,120 like the expectations weren't that high either because phone apps before that 454 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,039 were like the closest type of apps you had before that was like Windows CE and 455 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:45,279 pal apps and like if you could find those that was great and or maybe 456 00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:47,760 Blackberry right and so like it was it 457 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:52,080 it grew from something small yeah with the Vision Pro like it's kind of already 458 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:57,480 has to be big for it to work cuz it's a kind of a big thing if you think about 459 00:32:54,039 --> 00:33:00,039 it spatially um and it to do that 460 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,880 requires a lot of effort and apple wants to take 30% of 461 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:10,039 that I think that I I can I can only see 462 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:15,000 so like this might be good for Apple these these these anti- steering 463 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:17,600 Provisions might be good for their 464 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:22,120 platforms what do you mean like if they if Apple can't now is like or if the DM 465 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:26,600 the dma means that Apple like the way the App Store Works uh and the app 466 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,320 distribution works on the iPhone doesn't work anymore on iPad though I guess it's 467 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,960 not a gatekeeper with vision OS they could still do that but anyway it's they 468 00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:40,000 can do whatever they want within that metaverse what do they call it they had 469 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,960 Vision verse no I I I remember there was 470 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:49,000 a leak where it they uh there was there was some leak about what Apple wanted to 471 00:33:45,639 --> 00:33:50,840 call their virtual reality instead of 472 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:55,039 metaverse they haded something else like a apple something maybe it's Apple 473 00:33:53,480 --> 00:34:00,279 reality maybe that's already public and I just like have out of the loop there 474 00:33:57,159 --> 00:34:03,480 but anyways um yeah the Vision Pro I 475 00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,559 mean we'll see what happens I feel like 476 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:12,919 we don't have very much more time I want to talk about briefly let's just like 477 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:15,720 wrapid lightning around through wwc DC 478 00:34:12,919 --> 00:34:22,399 stuff and apple intelligence okay biggest things do you remember off 479 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,599 the top of your head biggest things from WWDC because everyone was like this was 480 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:30,079 the best ww so annoying to say 481 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:36,599 dubdub just say that dubdub this was the biggest dubdub of any dub ever I didn't 482 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,200 feel like that um so you should fight 483 00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:41,679 with people online a hit that I agree with that Everyone likes is iPhone 484 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:45,159 mirroring that'll be really cool though funny enough Apple's saying that we 485 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:48,399 can't add iPhone mirroring for EU customers cuz we don't know if it's 486 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,919 going to violate oh my gosh yeah and apple intelligence and yeah and apple 487 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:57,960 intelligence is the other thing um we have security concerns yeah so might not 488 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:02,480 be safe we're trying to keep you guys rhetorical we'll see uh if that persists 489 00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:08,200 once they've kind of actually got the feature for other languages but um I 490 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,040 miss the app icon customization thing 491 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:16,040 have you seen that you missed it no no it's a it's a Miss oh it's a you don't 492 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:18,200 like it oh you saying miss me with that 493 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:24,079 app icon dark mode it's like dark mode icons and you can then customize the 494 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,640 color palette for them and oh man yeah I 495 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:30,119 I mean I don't like the way icons have looked since iOS 7 I think 496 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,760 I think that most people thought those like custom icons just like with a blank 497 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,079 uh with with like a color applied to all of them looks kind of ugly like Android 498 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:45,160 has had that for a while and I don't know if anyone uses it it just makes it things harder to find I don't know why 499 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:50,880 absolutely I don't know why but you can do it and I feel like that along with 500 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:54,280 things like the window snapping into 501 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:56,079 quadrants Ties on macOS people love 502 00:35:54,280 --> 00:36:00,720 that there's a bunch of things that they announced at WWDC that just were like 503 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,720 hey people have been asking this for a long time and features of Windows and 504 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,839 Android for a long time and you know we're just going to throw them in now 505 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:14,119 like what happened something happened that their brains broke in the past year 506 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,920 you think so well then like what this is so there's so many things or they' been 507 00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:22,800 like holding it I think that Now's the Time I think that maybe being forced 508 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,680 into changing their core identity in so 509 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,240 many ways with with some f you want us to be Android and Windows here you go 510 00:36:26,839 --> 00:36:34,160 yeah honestly they're kind of like they're probably having a crisis of identity they're like we were the 511 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:39,040 company that didn't let anyone do anything and now they're making us let 512 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:42,800 people do things we're going to just let them do everything but they're going to 513 00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:45,920 whine about it a lot they're going to do it but they're going to whine about it 514 00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:50,280 they'll be whining about I mean they're ready they're do they've been whining the whole time uh yeah I don't know I 515 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:54,839 don't know if they're necessarily whining I mean if you want to say that the app icons look ugly that's them 516 00:36:53,359 --> 00:37:00,119 whining it's like they're intentionally making like it's only dark mode for instance who customize it think yeah 517 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:04,839 then like okay I just think it looks ugly no matter what you do if you have 518 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:08,560 all of your not ugly per se it could look beautiful but it's like what's the 519 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:12,040 point of it looking kind of nice if you can't find customizing their app icons 520 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:16,359 with shortcuts a few years ago that was a bit of a trend and like you could do 521 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:20,040 custom icons already and they looked you could choose ones that looked better and 522 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:24,400 that were designed by you know designers and yeah it's so well I don't that's a 523 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:31,119 that's a Miss but moving being able to move the icons anywhere in the the screen is great uh 524 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:33,920 what else calculator on iPad oh yeah 525 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:36,599 finally that's cool it actually looks really cool yeah I'm curious how the 526 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:43,400 notation thing would work that'd be great in school back in the day this is something where I'm like I can't it's so 527 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:48,319 dumb that Apple hasn't had an a calculator app on the iPad this whole 528 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:50,920 time but at the same time I I have a 529 00:37:48,319 --> 00:37:55,440 simultaneous feeling where I'm like fair enough because you clearly were taking 530 00:37:53,480 --> 00:38:00,200 your time and you only wanted to put the calculator app on the iPad like I feel 531 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:05,240 like at some right this was a okay fine here you go WWDC it was it really was 532 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:10,760 but they they're like fine we'll put the calculator on the iPad but we'll make it 533 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,880 the coolest calculator app a cool yeah 534 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:16,119 everyone would have flipped out just for a regular calculator to be quite honest 535 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:20,280 um I don't you mean I don't want to necessarily rehash too much about WC but 536 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:27,640 it is my kind of take on I've been a bit of an AI uh what's the word what's what 537 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:29,280 the negative word cynic yeah yeah you 538 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:33,480 know my friend would always tell me about chat GPT look at this thing it 539 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:37,839 does and like writing stories for like uh another you know my another 540 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:43,599 friend's kid like who's a toddler and like oh wow you did that I and I'm like 541 00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:46,800 I've just always been like why yeah and then now we have this so whole thing 542 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:50,960 where like you know Apple intelligence will summarize emails and then you can 543 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:55,880 get it to rewrite your own emails or like and it's like what are we what are 544 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:59,760 we doing basically grammarly but I when I was insecure 545 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:04,240 about writing I thought grammarly would look was going to be great and then I 546 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,720 never never I don't think we're not the target audience cuz we we are writers 547 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:13,920 and I feel like I know but I there was a time where I was very insecure about writing and I just got better at it and 548 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:18,160 now I I couldn't imagine I still hate writing actually part of the job the 549 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:22,880 solution for people is not to use is to keep just keep writing just get good 550 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:27,760 skill issue honestly well well how can you get good at writing if you don't 551 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:29,599 write well grammarly could help you or 552 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:34,400 or these this is not sponsored by grammarly but Apple intelligence any of 553 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:39,400 these AI powered summary tools the idea is that they like people don't know the 554 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,599 rules and so they'll write stuff and then that will tell them and maybe they 555 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,640 don't need it forever but for a while it'll help them kind of like get used to 556 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:51,000 like oh or it's just a crutch and they kind of offload their brain processing 557 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:54,160 to that and they never actually learn what the rules are because they know the 558 00:39:52,319 --> 00:39:58,040 grammarly is going to or whatever is going to fix it Apple the Apple 559 00:39:55,839 --> 00:40:02,960 intelligence yeah the the the private Cloud compute the sound is 560 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:08,040 happening I hope I hope it makes Siri better but it's only available on like 561 00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:11,800 the iPhone 15 Pro and then M series devices and 562 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:16,640 so to go back to your point about like being a cynic I feel like I have I feel 563 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:22,960 like there you have more arguments about this I flip-flop you flip-flop because I 564 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:27,839 am I think so I think that when you look at AI tools primarily through like a 565 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:32,880 functional lens of like what can it do right now yeah yeah you're you're going 566 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:39,480 to be a cynic because you're going to be like I a writer I have tried to use chat 567 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:45,599 gbt for various things uh since it came out December 2022 I've been playing with 568 00:40:42,839 --> 00:40:51,119 AI stuff the whole time yeah and I have yet to find a you know a way to actually 569 00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:56,560 incorporate it into my workflow at least the way that like I work because we we 570 00:40:54,119 --> 00:41:01,119 we just it just it wouldn't it's not useful to me what I do yeah uh I've I've 571 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:08,079 heard from lots of people who find it very useful in in what they do but I 572 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:10,280 think primarily not like writers who's 573 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:14,160 uh who where it's important to them that they are actually putting their own 574 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:19,640 thoughts onto paper uh the people who I've seen it be useful for and be 575 00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:22,680 functionally you know valuable is to 576 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,520 non-writers who have to do writing tasks 577 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:30,800 but they don't care about them and they don't really care about the like the 578 00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:35,520 nuances of the output and stuff concise I have two replies respon your answer 579 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:39,800 cannot be just be good just be better that's fair that's fair so one funny 580 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:43,480 thing is that same friend I was talking about he was like describing some a uh I 581 00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:48,520 think like a client he was working with that work who would write these he was like this guy writes these very verbose 582 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,720 emails that I can't sus out and then he's then he today the other day he's 583 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:56,160 like I think he was using he was using chat GPT it's funny cuz you can you can 584 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:59,599 identify it now you can like look at something and you're like that's you're 585 00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:02,400 just like offloading so if you if you're using Chad gbt to write this verbose 586 00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:08,520 email to someone now you're offloading work to someone to like interpret what you mean from this like huge expansion 587 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:15,040 when you could have just emailed the prompt and I feel like because we don't 588 00:42:12,839 --> 00:42:18,280 have a anthropics models available in Canada I don't know if you can get them 589 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:24,040 with a VPN for some reason I haven't tried Thats So anthropic is was made by 590 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,520 people who left open AI they thought that open AI wasn't being serious enough 591 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:34,599 about the safety issue so they and made their own models Claude the Claude 592 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:39,680 family and uh in in the past 6 months or 593 00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:43,480 so claud's uh recent releases have kept 594 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:47,079 up with GPT 4 so they're they most 595 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,440 recently released Claude 3.5 Sonet which 596 00:42:47,079 --> 00:42:53,240 apparently you know all the benchmarks are broken they don't actually really work but like according to cla's 597 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:59,680 anthropics own benchmarks they're like it's on par with gb4 and I feel like you 598 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:01,880 might change your mind about I'm coming 599 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:06,319 off as like a as an apologist right now an AI apologist but I'm not as I said 600 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:11,000 earlier um that's fine I'm ffing but I feel like the the the consensus is that 601 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:15,400 claud's answers are feel a lot more human and they're a lot less formulaic 602 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:19,280 unless you ask it to like summarize something and list uh you know factors 603 00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:25,119 it'll just like give you pretty formulaic things but what I wanted to I 604 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:27,280 wanted to uh qualify my own answer by 605 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:31,680 saying there are times when I'm like okay I can see that the the use case 606 00:43:28,839 --> 00:43:35,480 from people but most of the time right now yes it's useless I don't use it I 607 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:40,839 don't know anyone personally who regularly uses it however the thing that 608 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:43,119 is always interesting to me about AI 609 00:43:40,839 --> 00:43:48,599 models is the fact that they are based off of uh structurally like a neural 610 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:52,400 network and that just gets my mind going with all these questions of philosophy 611 00:43:50,359 --> 00:43:57,319 what is consciousness what how does our brain how do our minds actually work oh 612 00:43:54,359 --> 00:44:01,640 no uh oh no well what it's interesting what go I will say this to bring it back 613 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:07,319 to Apple um you're right they they're kind 614 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:11,640 of AI stuff is features they're tools they're they're really specific so like 615 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:14,720 generative AutoFill in Photoshop is really great but like we had the Clone 616 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:18,160 tool the Clone stamp tool and then we had the like healing brush like it's 617 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:22,440 just another step in that case and then in the case of like we had spell check 618 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:26,559 and grammar check in the '90s I guess what Apple's introducing with apple 619 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:30,800 intelligence is like spell check but like we can do the whole thing for you 620 00:44:29,319 --> 00:44:36,599 so and then Apple has their image generator which oh they look terrible uh 621 00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:42,960 well and like anytime I see gener AI generated you know Works online I'm like 622 00:44:39,720 --> 00:44:45,480 just something off and so like I don't 623 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:49,760 know mid Journey mid Journey does blow my mind sometimes sometimes but like one 624 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:54,079 in a million but most of it is is Garb yeah the um so like it feels like in 625 00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:58,040 this case Apple was like just kind of throwing a bone being like look we're 626 00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:00,480 doing machine learning here and this is and we're going to call it Apple 627 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,520 intelligence for you now and like here's the next steps of where we're going and 628 00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:07,040 maybe they're like trying to maybe they were actually kind of their hand was 629 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,559 forced to show what they were working on ahead of time go absolutely they had 630 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:15,160 yeah and so and like and they kind of had to like fit it within what everyone else is doing which is a little unapp 631 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:19,000 likee because they usually go their own to their own horn and do their own thing 632 00:45:16,839 --> 00:45:24,960 and they do it well years later but that just shows like the power the the the 633 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:28,359 the economic power of this whole like but they have all the money I don't know 634 00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:32,760 why they need to car ridiculous wave of in well they have investors they still 635 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:37,480 have investors I I know but like you could just say like yeah they dropped 636 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:43,280 down they were they were this AI wave in the past two years or so yeah has 637 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:46,640 knocked Apple out of the top spot they're not the they were the most 638 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:52,000 valuable company Microsoft got up there because of all the investment in in Ai 639 00:45:49,319 --> 00:45:56,359 and then NVIDIA got up there and now the three of them are just kind of switching 640 00:45:53,319 --> 00:45:58,079 around every once in a while and apple 641 00:45:56,359 --> 00:46:03,760 shot to the top again after they announced this what what's this little 642 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:09,040 bubble popping yeah the bubbles yeah I I am I am eagerly awaiting not Happ we 643 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:15,240 just there was just a recent interesting paper uh about uh researchers figured 644 00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:20,119 out a they they developed a they say it's pre it's pre-print so who knows but 645 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:25,440 they developed a model that does not need gpus nearly as much they they 646 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:31,400 developed large language models that don't use Matrix multip 647 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:34,200 which is the thing that gpus do that 648 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:38,920 makes them so good at uh what about's neural engine well that was one of the 649 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:44,720 other like to bring it back to Apple again we're going to end soon but uh to 650 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,760 bring it back to Apple again the thing 651 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:51,160 that was cool about their reveal of Apple intelligence was the fact that 652 00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:54,760 they're running most of this on device yeah they have their own TR hardest to 653 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:59,000 do that Elon Musk made a big freaking deal about how you're going to be sending all your data to open AI or 654 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:04,920 whatever but the vast majority of the cases when you use apple Intelligence on 655 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:08,480 an iPhone uh or or a Mac I guess or an 656 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:09,640 iPad is um uh is going to be using those 657 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:14,880 local models and they've been gearing up for that I mean I remember years I remember just a few years ago there was 658 00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:17,520 an update to iOS where they they had they already were installing the neural 659 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:21,400 engine on their chips kind of small little on the iPhones and so then they 660 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:24,839 made an update to the photos app and they said like we can do the like you 661 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:28,960 know object recognition and face recognition on device MH and I was like 662 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:33,640 that's pretty cool actually that they're doing that whereas like Google photos like you had to upload everything into 663 00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:37,200 their world and they would do it for you and so I remember I remember when that 664 00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:41,760 when they announced that being like that's pretty cool that we can do that on device so like this is just the next 665 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,920 step where they're in a direction they're already going in and it's great 666 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:48,720 they're doing that now the thing is they're still if the device can't handle 667 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:55,119 the load they're going to send it to their servers um so there's a bit of a 668 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,839 bit of a risk there um and it's you know 669 00:47:55,119 --> 00:48:01,119 I guess it's hard because the loads could get pretty heavy depending on what 670 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:05,800 you're asking for so to expect a little phone chip to do it all uh is a bit big 671 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:09,119 but I don't know it's just like it's I guess the thing if I I'm really 672 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:14,960 struggling with tech right now because it feels like everyone's shouting about 673 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:20,800 Technologies and like these like abstract ideas and there's like no 674 00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:23,119 really like Humanity of like what are we 675 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:26,319 doing and what do you need to do and like how can we do that well and it's 676 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:30,319 like sometimes there's like those simple things which Apple historically has been 677 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:34,880 really good at just focusing on this is the new device and this is what you can 678 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:39,160 do with it and this is how we made it so wonderful to do that well honestly those 679 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:45,160 are the days as I miss that as much as I've given Apple crap in the past for 680 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,359 like releasing a feature that is 681 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:51,160 functionally similar to what other people have done before but they brand 682 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:56,440 it their their own special way and it's it's the Apple version yeah I've given 683 00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:59,480 them crap for that but I feel like it 684 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:03,200 was it's seeing them incorporate AI in 685 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:05,040 the way that they have is actually uh I 686 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:11,119 like how they've done it because they showed an actual they 687 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,799 showed an actual demo of someone using 688 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:16,960 this and you know it's not a live demo like they used to do it's probably still 689 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:20,319 a lot of vaporware and they even said after saying that oh iOS 18 is going to 690 00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:24,160 roll out this fall it's going to be that's where you're going to get the Apple intelligence and the new iPhones 691 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:28,799 they there was a recent thing we're saying it's not going to come till 2025 692 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:34,119 yeah delay Del but the demo that they show was someone asking Siri when is my 693 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:39,240 mom's flight coming in and because it has access to all of this on device data 694 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:43,760 that is encrypted and that only can be accessed by your stuff um it can it can 695 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:48,119 tell you that and I'm sure like Google will have some similar feature or whatever but the fact remains as you 696 00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:55,200 said they're sending data to the servers that's the whole thing and I feel like 697 00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:57,799 apple has the unique ability to take 698 00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:04,319 this weird AI stuff that has been scaring people and exciting people and 699 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:08,280 actually give it to their uh user base 700 00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:11,119 in a way that hopefully is is Smooths 701 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:16,079 things out and keeps things you know relatively private and makes things 702 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:21,000 actually useful because Apple does have that closed ecosystem of like all of 703 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:25,960 your stuff is with us I don't love that apple is like this closed ecosystem and 704 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:33,319 like we're not allowing you to do open things up but I think that we have these 705 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:35,480 Twin Dragons right now of privac of uh 706 00:50:33,319 --> 00:50:40,680 of AI just like threatening to take people's jobs and vacuum up all the data 707 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:46,240 on the internet and fill the internet with AI generated slop and trick all of 708 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:51,040 our parents on Facebook and then on the other hand we have the dragon of Apple 709 00:50:48,799 --> 00:50:57,079 like being like oh we're going to lock everything down you're not allowed to do 710 00:50:52,319 --> 00:50:59,240 stuff but I feel like strangely the 711 00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:04,240 solution to Dragon one might be something like Apple's approach where 712 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:06,040 it's like you know you can use AI stuff 713 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:10,720 but only in these very limited ways that we tell I wouldn't make the same 714 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:15,440 comparison because like why couldn't Google do on device like why can Android 715 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:20,079 have an on device because their whole business model is covering up data and 716 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:24,880 selling and apple does that as well but Apple's business model Apple's business 717 00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:31,720 they don't have a search engine Apple's closed ecosystem 718 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:34,720 H is their business model yes exactly 719 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:37,040 exactly okay but then that's true yeah 720 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:40,559 but again with with app distribution Apple can realize the dream of the 721 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:45,240 Humane pin but with app distribution then on a like the difference there is 722 00:51:42,359 --> 00:51:47,960 like app distrib like Macs have open app distribution they wouldn't ever have 723 00:51:46,359 --> 00:51:53,359 these problems that they would like apple wouldn't get sued because of the way app distributions on a Mac but 724 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,920 they're still a closed ecosystem right so the app distribution and that are 725 00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:01,559 kind of separate things it's just about like when is the like power tip when is 726 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:06,319 it tip over into being like okay it's a little too much now you're controlling 727 00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:09,480 way too much yeah like I mean you know I'm not I'm not saying we need to give 728 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:12,720 all Apple all the power or whatever obviously I think that the EU could 729 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:19,599 should continue and and China and whoever should continue just yeah 730 00:52:15,319 --> 00:52:21,680 ripping them open um but I just hope 731 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:27,079 that they uh I hope that they retained the part of their soul that allows them 732 00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:32,760 to keep your data private encrypted on your device and give your private AI 733 00:52:30,799 --> 00:52:38,440 access to that without ever having to phone home I I think that that is great 734 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:44,720 that's that is honestly I think that is the future of AI yeah you know I'm I I I 735 00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:49,240 agree with you that the bubble's probably going to pop pretty soon I 736 00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:52,400 don't know who knows that's the thing we don't know but I think it has to pop it 737 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:58,799 has to pop at some point because exponential grow it's going to deflate in this really annoying kind of like no 738 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:03,880 like way you know what I mean it's like it's either going to pop or we're just 739 00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:09,559 going to go straight straight line into cyber Punk dystopia where everything is 740 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:11,640 AI and and we're screwed at that point 741 00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:15,520 someone compared it to pollution y we're definitely polluting 742 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:20,240 the internet yeah there's a lot of manually turn out crap you know eight 743 00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:25,599 years ago it's crazy all right let's wrap this up um overall I think that uh 744 00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:29,640 it was great to catch up with you again Jonathan how good to be back and good to 745 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:35,200 catch up with you too I miss our conversations I do as well yeah I I wish 746 00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:39,839 we could always Dev into philosophy and I go what I want to argue with you about 747 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:45,319 iPads again at some point so we'll have you back and uh that sound great until 748 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:50,559 then just uh you know keep keep on keep on repping keep on repping Tim Cook and 749 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:54,480 the boys and the girls I'll try and everybody at that uh one infinite loop I 750 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:59,680 don't know why I'm trying to end this like a like a adult easy listening radio 751 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:04,599 but I'm kind of leaning that way do you have we should find a song in APM and 752 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:10,799 that was the White Lotus the great show good show yeah and 753 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,920 this was a good show thanks for watching subscribe to TechLink bye bye