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bye","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0}],"full_text":"wow you must have some pent up Apple thoughts in that in that brain of yours what makes you say that you've been you haven't had an outlet you've been you've been stuck inside I've been stuck inside for almost two and a half three months physically and spiritually and mentally yes other other ways I was I got in a motorcycle accident Jonathan horse in March I broke my shoulder right in the shoulder had to get surgery that's wild so screw drilled into my shoulder jeez and uh and then I had to recover did you do a whole breakdown of every single thing wrong with your body in the Mac Address video or is that I summarized it I did a whole breakdown in a Twitter thread and I kind of summarized it pretty well we we grabbed the skeleton for the Mac Address video and I pointed at the places where I wrote my phones you should do a flow plane exclusive just kind of like a body tour it's of the new mods it's like a small little yeah I mean I there's there's x-ray photos in that video too so yeah it's uh it's like it's small stuff and like things are healing it just takes a while but like they had to cut my shoulder open to fix it so oh my gosh so I couldn't I had to basically wait for my shoulder to build itself back up so like my rotation this rotation still almost there but now I can like do things so if people want to get all of the grizzly detail watch the latest Mac just video start at the beginning or go to your stay for the rest yeah yeah or cuz you did do some recent Apple videos it I just no it's that was the video I finished well I did the wwc video but I finished the latest video is the one I started on before the accident which is on the Vision Pro yeah yeah you you just put out your vision but you there was some new things to kind of update it with which you did I feel like uh I watched it I didn't I didn't no there's not really nothing there's not much new didn't you have the you had the 3D photo viewing thing in there yeah I didn't but I haven't tried Vision OS I haven't tried any of the betas cuz I'm too scared they're betas and you're an alpha so that's right riding motorcycles no one can stop you and you're still going to ride I stop I'm going yeah I got a new bike and uh I just got it uh service today mhm so we're getting close to back of the road but I have less than a month to do my road test before I have to start the whole process again if I don't pass it so we'll see how things go it'll be an exciting and the next accident you get into has to be even more intense or otherwise no no no please no well I'm like mad about like how dumb how like intense the Accident Injury was considering how careful I am and how not fast I was going just like it's like what when you care and all the gear I was wearing like it like ruined no well the helmet GE Jonathan the helmet was ruined obviously because you can only use it once but I I got the I like a leather suit I got that fixed you're uh you're more badass than I'll ever be listen I rode twice so we're not but still the idea I don't think I'll ever get on a motorcycle no well I I just don't want to I don't want to do it fair fair because okay wait we may or may not include this part sure but do you remember like I feel like a couple weeks before you got in your accident I had a conversation with you where I specifically said to you you got a motorcycle are you crazy do you want to get an accident I said that it was rude of me to say that what no but what did I say what said I probably said you were just kind of like you know you know hopefully not YOLO you know like I think you were like I want to do it it seems cool why you know you can be safe well I brought up some like fake statistic that wasn't actually accurate about how motorcycle people get in more accidents but it's not actually that they get in more accidents that the accidents they get in are more severe I think well yeah I mean I do think there there's like a common thing where it's like it's not if but when but I guess that's the same with cars so it might be the similar in terms of that and like yeah the risks are higher cuz like if something goes wrong like you're flying wherever right um or if you hit a car or car hits you this was just a single fical accident it was just me being just being fcked off the bike but you're flying in the accident and then you're flying at the hospital when they give you morphine yeah stupid yeah no they give me ketamine for one surgery hell yeah and I'm like they're like you're going to have a nice high and I'm like okay and then where do I and I didn't know where I didn't know what nice thing to think about and then all of a sudden I was like I wonder where I'm going to go and then I ended up in the like Halls of the palace in Dune and I was like oh that's cool that's awesome I'm like telling them as I'm coming too I can hear them talking I'm like telling them like I'm in Dune but then I also I also shouted whatever man no they were very busy yet and then I shouted no they sh they shouted lizard I also shouted what did I do to my myself which is an interesting thing but we don't have to include that either but anyway which mu would never say I mean I well I remember saying it thinking like yeah that's true like what a true thought um so you know let's get to Apple though it's been a while um so much has happened the most recent thing that has happened which I feel like we should start with for the sake of the algorithm is the RCs support apple just add they announced it at WWDC barely barely I missed they announced so many things I literally wrote in my notes where's RCS and then someone's like oh no it's in the bento box and I was like what they like and then apparently they mentioned it the Bento Box you know when they they show at the end they're like and those that's iOS and they show oh right yeah the thing comes in yeah so that's so annoying when they have stuff in there that I was like huh what I think it was also mentioned by the executive in the presentation too but I must have like my attention was for one second not on the video and you missed the one but they really did not want to talk about it it's so hard to keep up with all that stuff but regardless they rolled it out just uh we're filming this on Thursday uh June 27th this is going to come out on Monday um and they just rolled it out in the past day or two and you know one thing that I people were talking about is the fact that some of the headlines say the green bubble nightmare is over um but of course the green bubbles are still there yeah this it's it's I uh snazzy Labs tweeted some screenshots of him trying it out I haven't tried it myself cuz uh I'm terrified of baas but um but uh it's really funny to look at cuz it's like you have the green bubbles and then there's a read receipt underneath and like the uh oh God what are they called now I hate when the words the tapbacks there's tapbacks right with the Emojis yeah it it supports tapbacks and reader seats and so it just it does oh wow it looks like I was trying to look up what the actual support looks like uh I I believe you well I mean in the screenshot you could see the tap back working so I imagine it includes that the pictures are going to be high quality honestly pretty excited uh it's high quality media is the biggest thing that is the biggest exciting thing for me I hate this I like I I'll I'll message stuff to my parents or my parents will message stuff to me my whole family is well one of my brothers is on Android and the rest of my family is all iPhone and uh do you get the bad quality or do they get the bad quality every Everybody suffers because of Apple's hubris not even huis what the quality of a photo nonsense it it it it like you can you can you can even tell from the small preview that it's like pixelated and I just like it's funny people talk about it and I know that the spec isn't great it looks like the bit rate is like way too low so it's not that it's is it for videos specifically it's for videos and photos but now with RCS I mean so it's just in the beta so it's not rolling out to every iPhone right now but it will in the fall uh be available and so I mean it to it took so long but we're finally here and it's one of those things like one broad thing that I want to talk to you about yeah in terms of apple and and recent changes that they've made is that Apple especially when it comes to the iOS and iPad OS ecosystems they're they're kind of being forced and they're fighting it every step of the way but they are being forced to become a lot less Apple like like oh interesting because take RCS support yeah this is something that they would never add they ignored Google's very very very public campaigns to get them to add it for years and years and years and now the only reason that they're adding it correct me if I'm wrong is because of the EU it's China actually being like China fascism light and just no it's China continue China well I don't know the specifics joke about the fascism by the way from what I heard um it was actually China mandating RCS not the EU okay wait what do you mean China had some sort of thing where they want now elded phone makers to support RCS was that before or after the EU it was a little bit before cuz they had announce that they were going to add RCS a while back well I'll take your word for it but regardless I think that the overall trend in like this is happening in China I think uh Japan has has had some pretty good uh strong regulation Korea as well regarding the app stores at least well they working on well Japan just announced something just recently yeah the eu's been working on something it is things are getting chipped away at I think the US will get there eventually yeah Canada will get there after we start you know finish making stupid laws then we might have something it's going to get we're not going to get into C11 right now but it it might old we have c59 now it is old but I I feel like recently I've heard that this might just like die because there's going to be a regime change anyways that's neither here nor there that's not smile on his face that's not Apple that's not Apple listen so how do you feel about this as an apple person do you feel like something is being taken away I no okay even though their features being tell you something along with apple one thing I'm interested in is uh Annie trust and antimonopoly movement uh and so I'm like this is pretty good actually it's pretty good interesting to see it's pretty interesting to see kind of governments in the regulatory structure kind of wake up and be like do we want is this good is this the way we want things to be um they're doing it in weird ways and everyone's kind of doing it in a different way um and it's going to be interesting to see I guess which way prevails but like the thing is Apple's App Store probably was always destined to be chipped away because it just got so controlling and like it was sort of the strange nature of when the iPhone came out there was no app store because they didn't want to have any apps and like I I watched I actually the other day watched like the presentation where Steve was like this is how apps would work web apps would work on it and it was like a website with like app buttons that look like it just was like crazy it was just still on a website and then the next year uh they added the App Store sometimes I wonder if it was always part of the plan and they just they needed to like get it this way but it was like specifically they had to control what apps were on that platform and they kind of had the opportunity to and the reg regulatory environment wasn't really paying attention to any trust and any of that stuff at all um at that point so they just they just did it and no one everyone's like oh that sounds great I can and it's I can understand the initial App Store uh roll out being like exciting it was because web apps were not as good as these these like you want actual applications to run on your little computer yeah um and I think that the the uh kind of insulated App Store model was copied by by not just Google I mean like there you know the Blackberry ecosystem existed at at time as well there were other yeah I'm trying to remember it really just transformed into completely just Android and iPhone but it shook out that way yeah yeah and and the Play Store itself you know you can you can sideload uh apps on Android but you know you see epic attacking Google as well yeah and Google lost that last I think that the closed you know insul App Store model is uh opening up and becoming less and less sensible as phones become more and more capable yeah oh yeah yeah absolutely so now people are just like okay this used to be a phone now it's just another computer yeah computer exactly what's happening yeah is a is the recognition of that precisely yeah and I think that you have people like epic game CEO Tim Sweeney who comes in here and is like hey it's obviously a computer it was always a computer I don't know why anyone didn't treat it like a computer and it's like ridiculous that you can't like treat it just like your desktop PC and sideload whatever you want and and modify and do whatever you want and so he's been attacking both Apple and Google yeah um and it's been fascinating to see I I did a tech longer on the Apple on the Apple versus epic yeah which epic lost you're going to say we want to get into that but they won against Google and we can talk about that after but that to me is is fascinating that they just won against Google and Google Now is in a position of having to like change stuff it was a different trial I think Google was more blatant uh the judge the judge was also not as differential to Google the judge and it was a it was a jury trial and the judge literally said to the jury cuz there was evidence coming out that Google had like deleted messages and emails and like tried to hide things behind privilege the so the judge L told the jury like just assume any uh documentation we don't have makes Google look bad he told the jury that exactly so they definitely fair enough you know they definitely lost you deleted it why did you delete it you know yeah yeah what was the reason so and it's still coming up another lost against Google but um yeah with the Apple versus epic lawsuit the one thing there was the uh the judge ordered that apple is permanently restrained from prohibiting developers from including uh in their apps buttons and external links to say hey you can buy this on our website right this is the practice known as steering yeah and so it was said that Apple has anti- steering mechanisms that they have now been uh well in various they're they're forced to open it up they were forced to open up and then they did the most Apple Way the most malicious compliance way so they're like okay well uh you know you you would be paying us 30% if you uh you know used our payment system so it's a 27% commission if you use these external links and if that's if the purchase made within seven days yeah of the um of the thing so there's Milian compliance there and uh the judge isn't happy I would love to do a whole breakdown I know but like it happened a while ago and we did a breakdown on Tech link I'm sure you any there is an update to that but the tldr is that well epic complained yeah yeah and they just had some hearings in May I actually tuned into a couple of them because I was really curious about him and the judge is not happy and the judge was literally like okay so how did you send to the I did I did she's like how did you come up with the 27% commission rate they're like well the pricing commission does that she's like do you have any documentation for that I think so and she's like please submit the documentation and Apple's like here you go and she's like no I need more and it's it's escalated that she now I love this she referred the case to another judge just to deal with the documentation Discovery again I love I love this whole like Tech Giants being brought in to law suits like for antitrust thing and like people in government and in positions of power being like hold on wait so you're doing cuz they they're not paying attention this is like a lot of like non very not very technically Savvy people yeah they have to be they're bringing in experts to tell them about the stuff but like they're having these Reactions where they're like hold on a second wait you don't let anyone do this thing that seems like they should do it they should be able to do it they're like well or like how did you come up with this number they're like we don't know it's like oh okay you didn't like look and she's also asking like how many developers are like adopting it and they're like 50 that's a huge amount yeah how much profit are you making from your app store and from your Services overall well we don't even know if it's profitable we think it might be but yeah I don't know laws are suggestions um that's what that's how we what we're really literally dealing with so anyway it's really interesting we'll see how that goes but the it's clear that um that's getting chipped away at so this is this is all to do with with American legislation I know yeah well yeah in the EU they just got charged for cuz they they they the EU said you have to do you have to you allowed developers to steer people to their websites with with buttons in the app and you know you got to let other app stores in right that's yeah that's the whole thing but just recently the the charges that they laid um yeah the steering ones this week yeah they were saying that okay you let developers have buttons in your in their apps but they're not allowed to say anything about the buttons SC screen yeah yeah yeah they're like the the developers basically saying I made this joke in TechLink the developers are basically just saying like like here's a button to our website and the users are like I think I saw I mean great job there oh good job putting a button there but like the developers can't say we have a sale on things we you can get a cheaper rate on our website they just have they they're only allowed to say here's a button goes I think I saw one one example I think I I it's probably on my iPad where the uh the example like apple show is like it's just a link to their homepage but it's on the top of the app and it's not even like they're not even allowed to put it in a button looking button it has to like look like a just ww.com and then like a little like this is a linkout icon yeah it's uh is it's very it's it's Bare Bones so it the EU the EU is an interesting case because everyone they everyone I've been hearing people say like oh you know the dma is not very well uh written and like you know how are they going to enforce this and it seems like the way the EU is doing it is they're like this is what we want you to do and we're going to see how do that and if we don't like it we're going to let you know uh and so it's there's like a bit of vaguery there but then oh man it's so convoluted yeah I mean there's lots of things we can say about how the EU is approaching the regulation I mean like it kind of it gets into sort of political ideas about whether you think that these Tech shes should be regulated and all that stuff but I will say about the EU that generally when we Rec report on this stuff on Tech link We like cheer that the EU is forcing a Tech Giant to to do something that they don't want to do right because the reason why they're not doing it they don't want to do it is because foring it and maximize their profits and all that stuff they don't care about the user experience until users complain like you know to such a degree but uh the one thing that came out recently about the EU they're they're they're they're also planning this chat control I mean they're not planning it oh they have propos members of the European Union government have proposed this uh legislation a back door for yeah that basically you know they're saying that we want to scan uh all messages whether they're encrypted or not for you know legal images and so uh you know I think generally most people seem to be against that in the text V and the even more heinous part is that they they had baked in a exception for government officials and for law enforcement and stuff their their phones don't have to be scanned yeah like I mean in that case if we want to talk about that in that case there's a difference between say but it was I should say the proposals were rejected so so that is not like moving forward at this point but they're probably going to bring it back at some point go ahead well there's a difference between something like that and say and then this dma where wherein like what the government was what the what the EU was proposing with the um with the chat mess messaging is like access to personal personal messages between each other and you could put a you could put you could say like well a message I send to you and you send to me individually like that doesn't really have that much spreadability it's like the issue is when you can like send mass messages out that's like the most concerning right so it's like what's the level of like what we're dealing with and then in the case of something like the dma we're dealing with a company that has that is like spreading its power over to over millions of people right right then maybe we should deal with that like it's like kind of this importance of like impact yeah and so well and apple doesn't have that much impact as much impact in the UA in the EU as they do in the US true the interesting thing about all this EU regulation stuff is hearing Europeans say that like they Android they're like IM iMessage doesn't allow parity of features between iPhone users and Android users oh my gosh regulate them like put them in jail and the EU users are like but the EU no one uses they all use WhatsApp even the iPhone users in but the dma isn't just targeting Apple like it's they're tar it's a gatekeeper as well I think when the rhetoric is all like anti-apple they're kind of like who cares if you're a gatekeeper uh you're you're locking the gates do it again and look at the camera if you're a gatekeeper you're locking the gates we're going to get you and so we don't think you deserve the key it's too much eye contact we're undemocratic for them to have the keys man Jonathan that's a really good point and an even better point is the one brought up by our sponsor private internet access their VPN network spands across six continents and 91 countries letting you access your local catalog of content from all over the globe whether Apple wants you to get there or not they can't stop you I think vpns are supported in iOS whatever Plus with a single 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thing cuz you expect it to work like a PC watch out for the pencil you can Apple's really gone downhill man no no no at this that's good cuz at least it didn't fall off the fit and finish missing I miss reviewing I miss reviewing iPads do you I should I should every time I think about like asking James if I can if I can review another iPad I'm like no I I don't there's just no time oh I see game link is my child now iPads used to be the thing anyways go ahead you've been using this device would probably be way more capable and way better without the App Store exclusivity model it is insane to me that they still haven't like opened up iPad OS well they are even just but even just the distribution of the I mean the the way they've you know they they've locked down the operating system but even just the distribution I feel like would allow for just more business you know more opportunities for uh you know app developers to figure out what apps to make and how to monetize them because like for instance a big nuisance with the App Store is like developers can't even do free trials that's like not allowed which is like a thing that was is like an age-old thing in software distribution you know in the '90s and early 2000s on on PCS and Macs but no no so they can't even do that and then on top of all the other rules that they have to abide by and so you think about the even the subscription you know the software as a service nightmare we're all living in like I have I'm pretty confident that that is also you know contributed to by just the the constraint App Store model and other cultural issues so this could be a way better device without that and even like the Vision Pro is this not was this not my argument when we last talked about iPads I was saying I've always made this argument wasn't we always talk about is touch screens wasn't I the one saying that it should just be computer and you were like no it's just it's special it's a special iPad it's a special child and needs to be protected no that argument was whether a touchscreen should be on a Mac Oh and I said no and whether macOS should be on an iPad I'm still going to probably say no to though this keyboard because though this keyboard thing is really confusing but um because an iPad is a touch device but like what would if if app distribution wasn't so strained by Apple's um Power that they hold over the platform like what are we missing out on in terms of like apps and possibilities and then I think about the same thing with the Vision Pro it's basically under the same sort of regime like what what's going to who's going to make who wants to make a app for that device let's talk about yeah let's talk about the Vision Pro for a second we're flying through topics wow yeah I haven't even tried it yet you haven't no I just I'm too I'm so busy now I'll bring it over I'm so sorry you only need like half an hour I never I never tried it because you had a motorcycle accident so I blame I Blame You yeah I I did have it actually at home but they picked somebody picked it up so okay so somebody picked it up and it was brought back to the office while recovering CU lonus did a video yeah but I still never got to try it but regardless it's on my desk so I'll bring it over it seemed like the Vision Pro launched at a really weird time because too early there was like you know three of the the biggest Tech buzzwords in the past few years have been crypto metaverse and Ai and they've kind of like waxed and waned as the others have like uh you know always done that come into influence or or and and and went away and I feel like The Vision Pro launched right as uh metaverse VR hype was like at its lowest and the only reason that people started talking about it a little bit more like again this year MH was because of the Vision Pro yeah so it was like it was so it was so strange I mean like meta has you know put out the the quest and the quest two and the quest three um and so like that's but that all kind of just spoke to the the the niche that's into it whereas The Vision Pro kind of like broke out it had a chance to break out into the wider Apple audience and get them into VR now cuz they were just like I feel like a lot of Apple people saw the quest headset or whatever and they were just kind of like okay whatever LOL and then the Vision Pro came out they're like now this is a VR headset this is how it's supposed to be but then it fell flat in his face and everyone thinks it's a joke now $3,500 are you joking I well I mean I think even when it was announced we were all like okay okay like but I I I mean when I was trying to figure out what the Vision Pro was going to be before it was announced turned out there was this there's this idea of like spatial Computing and not having everything confined to a screen which actually seems pretty great I've always loved the idea yeah and so when Apple focused on that I said well that's kind of what we figured out sounds like a great idea now in execution uh it's there's nothing to do cuz it's iPad apps or Vision Pro apps which are basically iPad apps just with cool floating things yeah and then um and then like a Mac screen extension and actually the the despite how amazing the screen is it's still not like retina quality for like a Mac screen so you're still going to have like fuzzy text and that's why the Windows for vision apps are so big and then the field of view is really narrow and so like you literally can look at like one you can look at like one big window in your field of view at a time and so you're kind of it's not really what you would hope it to be like it's th the Windows are too big you can't so you like when I like tried this thing when I was reviewing where like I was like okay I'm going to have my Mac screen and I'll have like teams here and my Twitter window and I'll have another app and it's like all of a sudden their Windows are so big they're like literally like all around you like this and it's five Windows what do you think that Apple would need to do like they're it uh we know that they have well we don't know this but the latest leaks uh from Mark German are that they are kind of like they have lower model yeah narrower field of view right but you know you got to it's got to be a downgrade in some ways if it's going to be cheaper like like do you think that this is do you think that they should have doubled down and gone with you know what we're just going to keep the hardcore users who are still into it and like just make it better it's just hard it's hard to make a headset like a the same thing might just happen I feel like I feel like VR was a success among Tech enthusiasts uh in so far as it like appealed to non-apple tinkerer type people and there are a lot of Apple Centric tinkerer type people but and they were probably playing with those other headsets but I think that like the Apple uh demographic is someone is is someone who expects there to be a lot of Polish fit and finish there is po it's polished oh it's very polished it's very polished but at the end of the day like you said in your video what are you supposed to use this for like what is this thing for and no one really knows um so I mean couple that with the fact that like there was some basic functionality that was missing like a Netflix app and a YouTube app when they're not making any apps still probably because of the app distribution is there still no official YouTube app no no in fact Vision OS 2 the update is now that like if you have a if you play have a video playback it can become its own window and do the thing right from website there's third party YouTube apps and there's a third part yeah of course but uh you know so there's no first party one and I mean the first party YouTube app is already not very fun on iPad with a mouse yeah so um I I just don't see what the incentive is right now this is a nent product in a nent field that's kind of very Niche and Apple's trying to treat it like the iPhone in terms of app distribution this is the interesting thing about this whole app distribution story is like Apple's control of app Distribution on the was they were able to do that on the iPhone because everybody wanted a phone everyone needs a phone everyone uses a phone it was a miniaturization of the computer it was like really handy it was the future uh and it was really clear how that was going to be really cool and like the expectations weren't that high either because phone apps before that were like the closest type of apps you had before that was like Windows CE and pal apps and like if you could find those that was great and or maybe Blackberry right and so like it was it it grew from something small yeah with the Vision Pro like it's kind of already has to be big for it to work cuz it's a kind of a big thing if you think about it spatially um and it to do that requires a lot of effort and apple wants to take 30% of that I think that I I can I can only see so like this might be good for Apple these these these anti- steering Provisions might be good for their platforms what do you mean like if they if Apple can't now is like or if the DM the dma means that Apple like the way the App Store Works uh and the app distribution works on the iPhone doesn't work anymore on iPad though I guess it's not a gatekeeper with vision OS they could still do that but anyway it's they can do whatever they want within that metaverse what do they call it they had Vision verse no I I I remember there was a leak where it they uh there was there was some leak about what Apple wanted to call their virtual reality instead of metaverse they haded something else like a apple something maybe it's Apple reality maybe that's already public and I just like have out of the loop there but anyways um yeah the Vision Pro I mean we'll see what happens I feel like we don't have very much more time I want to talk about briefly let's just like wrapid lightning around through wwc DC stuff and apple intelligence okay biggest things do you remember off the top of your head biggest things from WWDC because everyone was like this was the best ww so annoying to say dubdub just say that dubdub this was the biggest dubdub of any dub ever I didn't feel like that um so you should fight with people online a hit that I agree with that Everyone likes is iPhone mirroring that'll be really cool though funny enough Apple's saying that we can't add iPhone mirroring for EU customers cuz we don't know if it's going to violate oh my gosh yeah and apple intelligence and yeah and apple intelligence is the other thing um we have security concerns yeah so might not be safe we're trying to keep you guys rhetorical we'll see uh if that persists once they've kind of actually got the feature for other languages but um I miss the app icon customization thing have you seen that you missed it no no it's a it's a Miss oh it's a you don't like it oh you saying miss me with that app icon dark mode it's like dark mode icons and you can then customize the color palette for them and oh man yeah I I mean I don't like the way icons have looked since iOS 7 I think I think that most people thought those like custom icons just like with a blank uh with with like a color applied to all of them looks kind of ugly like Android has had that for a while and I don't know if anyone uses it it just makes it things harder to find I don't know why absolutely I don't know why but you can do it and I feel like that along with things like the window snapping into quadrants Ties on macOS people love that there's a bunch of things that they announced at WWDC that just were like hey people have been asking this for a long time and features of Windows and Android for a long time and you know we're just going to throw them in now like what happened something happened that their brains broke in the past year you think so well then like what this is so there's so many things or they' been like holding it I think that Now's the Time I think that maybe being forced into changing their core identity in so many ways with with some f you want us to be Android and Windows here you go yeah honestly they're kind of like they're probably having a crisis of identity they're like we were the company that didn't let anyone do anything and now they're making us let people do things we're going to just let them do everything but they're going to whine about it a lot they're going to do it but they're going to whine about it they'll be whining about I mean they're ready they're do they've been whining the whole time uh yeah I don't know I don't know if they're necessarily whining I mean if you want to say that the app icons look ugly that's them whining it's like they're intentionally making like it's only dark mode for instance who customize it think yeah then like okay I just think it looks ugly no matter what you do if you have all of your not ugly per se it could look beautiful but it's like what's the point of it looking kind of nice if you can't find customizing their app icons with shortcuts a few years ago that was a bit of a trend and like you could do custom icons already and they looked you could choose ones that looked better and that were designed by you know designers and yeah it's so well I don't that's a that's a Miss but moving being able to move the icons anywhere in the the screen is great uh what else calculator on iPad oh yeah finally that's cool it actually looks really cool yeah I'm curious how the notation thing would work that'd be great in school back in the day this is something where I'm like I can't it's so dumb that Apple hasn't had an a calculator app on the iPad this whole time but at the same time I I have a simultaneous feeling where I'm like fair enough because you clearly were taking your time and you only wanted to put the calculator app on the iPad like I feel like at some right this was a okay fine here you go WWDC it was it really was but they they're like fine we'll put the calculator on the iPad but we'll make it the coolest calculator app a cool yeah everyone would have flipped out just for a regular calculator to be quite honest um I don't you mean I don't want to necessarily rehash too much about WC but it is my kind of take on I've been a bit of an AI uh what's the word what's what the negative word cynic yeah yeah you know my friend would always tell me about chat GPT look at this thing it does and like writing stories for like uh another you know my another friend's kid like who's a toddler and like oh wow you did that I and I'm like I've just always been like why yeah and then now we have this so whole thing where like you know Apple intelligence will summarize emails and then you can get it to rewrite your own emails or like and it's like what are we what are we doing basically grammarly but I when I was insecure about writing I thought grammarly would look was going to be great and then I never never I don't think we're not the target audience cuz we we are writers and I feel like I know but I there was a time where I was very insecure about writing and I just got better at it and now I I couldn't imagine I still hate writing actually part of the job the solution for people is not to use is to keep just keep writing just get good skill issue honestly well well how can you get good at writing if you don't write well grammarly could help you or or these this is not sponsored by grammarly but Apple intelligence any of these AI powered summary tools the idea is that they like people don't know the rules and so they'll write stuff and then that will tell them and maybe they don't need it forever but for a while it'll help them kind of like get used to like oh or it's just a crutch and they kind of offload their brain processing to that and they never actually learn what the rules are because they know the grammarly is going to or whatever is going to fix it Apple the Apple intelligence yeah the the the private Cloud compute the sound is happening I hope I hope it makes Siri better but it's only available on like the iPhone 15 Pro and then M series devices and so to go back to your point about like being a cynic I feel like I have I feel like there you have more arguments about this I flip-flop you flip-flop because I am I think so I think that when you look at AI tools primarily through like a functional lens of like what can it do right now yeah yeah you're you're going to be a cynic because you're going to be like I a writer I have tried to use chat gbt for various things uh since it came out December 2022 I've been playing with AI stuff the whole time yeah and I have yet to find a you know a way to actually incorporate it into my workflow at least the way that like I work because we we we just it just it wouldn't it's not useful to me what I do yeah uh I've I've heard from lots of people who find it very useful in in what they do but I think primarily not like writers who's uh who where it's important to them that they are actually putting their own thoughts onto paper uh the people who I've seen it be useful for and be functionally you know valuable is to non-writers who have to do writing tasks but they don't care about them and they don't really care about the like the nuances of the output and stuff concise I have two replies respon your answer cannot be just be good just be better that's fair that's fair so one funny thing is that same friend I was talking about he was like describing some a uh I think like a client he was working with that work who would write these he was like this guy writes these very verbose emails that I can't sus out and then he's then he today the other day he's like I think he was using he was using chat GPT it's funny cuz you can you can identify it now you can like look at something and you're like that's you're just like offloading so if you if you're using Chad gbt to write this verbose email to someone now you're offloading work to someone to like interpret what you mean from this like huge expansion when you could have just emailed the prompt and I feel like because we don't have a anthropics models available in Canada I don't know if you can get them with a VPN for some reason I haven't tried Thats So anthropic is was made by people who left open AI they thought that open AI wasn't being serious enough about the safety issue so they and made their own models Claude the Claude family and uh in in the past 6 months or so claud's uh recent releases have kept up with GPT 4 so they're they most recently released Claude 3.5 Sonet which apparently you know all the benchmarks are broken they don't actually really work but like according to cla's anthropics own benchmarks they're like it's on par with gb4 and I feel like you might change your mind about I'm coming off as like a as an apologist right now an AI apologist but I'm not as I said earlier um that's fine I'm ffing but I feel like the the the consensus is that claud's answers are feel a lot more human and they're a lot less formulaic unless you ask it to like summarize something and list uh you know factors it'll just like give you pretty formulaic things but what I wanted to I wanted to uh qualify my own answer by saying there are times when I'm like okay I can see that the the use case from people but most of the time right now yes it's useless I don't use it I don't know anyone personally who regularly uses it however the thing that is always interesting to me about AI models is the fact that they are based off of uh structurally like a neural network and that just gets my mind going with all these questions of philosophy what is consciousness what how does our brain how do our minds actually work oh no uh oh no well what it's interesting what go I will say this to bring it back to Apple um you're right they they're kind of AI stuff is features they're tools they're they're really specific so like generative AutoFill in Photoshop is really great but like we had the Clone tool the Clone stamp tool and then we had the like healing brush like it's just another step in that case and then in the case of like we had spell check and grammar check in the '90s I guess what Apple's introducing with apple intelligence is like spell check but like we can do the whole thing for you so and then Apple has their image generator which oh they look terrible uh well and like anytime I see gener AI generated you know Works online I'm like just something off and so like I don't know mid Journey mid Journey does blow my mind sometimes sometimes but like one in a million but most of it is is Garb yeah the um so like it feels like in this case Apple was like just kind of throwing a bone being like look we're doing machine learning here and this is and we're going to call it Apple intelligence for you now and like here's the next steps of where we're going and maybe they're like trying to maybe they were actually kind of their hand was forced to show what they were working on ahead of time go absolutely they had yeah and so and like and they kind of had to like fit it within what everyone else is doing which is a little unapp likee because they usually go their own to their own horn and do their own thing and they do it well years later but that just shows like the power the the the the economic power of this whole like but they have all the money I don't know why they need to car ridiculous wave of in well they have investors they still have investors I I know but like you could just say like yeah they dropped down they were they were this AI wave in the past two years or so yeah has knocked Apple out of the top spot they're not the they were the most valuable company Microsoft got up there because of all the investment in in Ai and then NVIDIA got up there and now the three of them are just kind of switching around every once in a while and apple shot to the top again after they announced this what what's this little bubble popping yeah the bubbles yeah I I am I am eagerly awaiting not Happ we just there was just a recent interesting paper uh about uh researchers figured out a they they developed a they say it's pre it's pre-print so who knows but they developed a model that does not need gpus nearly as much they they developed large language models that don't use Matrix multip which is the thing that gpus do that makes them so good at uh what about's neural engine well that was one of the other like to bring it back to Apple again we're going to end soon but uh to bring it back to Apple again the thing that was cool about their reveal of Apple intelligence was the fact that they're running most of this on device yeah they have their own TR hardest to do that Elon Musk made a big freaking deal about how you're going to be sending all your data to open AI or whatever but the vast majority of the cases when you use apple Intelligence on an iPhone uh or or a Mac I guess or an iPad is um uh is going to be using those local models and they've been gearing up for that I mean I remember years I remember just a few years ago there was an update to iOS where they they had they already were installing the neural engine on their chips kind of small little on the iPhones and so then they made an update to the photos app and they said like we can do the like you know object recognition and face recognition on device MH and I was like that's pretty cool actually that they're doing that whereas like Google photos like you had to upload everything into their world and they would do it for you and so I remember I remember when that when they announced that being like that's pretty cool that we can do that on device so like this is just the next step where they're in a direction they're already going in and it's great they're doing that now the thing is they're still if the device can't handle the load they're going to send it to their servers um so there's a bit of a bit of a risk there um and it's you know I guess it's hard because the loads could get pretty heavy depending on what you're asking for so to expect a little phone chip to do it all uh is a bit big but I don't know it's just like it's I guess the thing if I I'm really struggling with tech right now because it feels like everyone's shouting about Technologies and like these like abstract ideas and there's like no really like Humanity of like what are we doing and what do you need to do and like how can we do that well and it's like sometimes there's like those simple things which Apple historically has been really good at just focusing on this is the new device and this is what you can do with it and this is how we made it so wonderful to do that well honestly those are the days as I miss that as much as I've given Apple crap in the past for like releasing a feature that is functionally similar to what other people have done before but they brand it their their own special way and it's it's the Apple version yeah I've given them crap for that but I feel like it was it's seeing them incorporate AI in the way that they have is actually uh I like how they've done it because they showed an actual they showed an actual demo of someone using this and you know it's not a live demo like they used to do it's probably still a lot of vaporware and they even said after saying that oh iOS 18 is going to roll out this fall it's going to be that's where you're going to get the Apple intelligence and the new iPhones they there was a recent thing we're saying it's not going to come till 2025 yeah delay Del but the demo that they show was someone asking Siri when is my mom's flight coming in and because it has access to all of this on device data that is encrypted and that only can be accessed by your stuff um it can it can tell you that and I'm sure like Google will have some similar feature or whatever but the fact remains as you said they're sending data to the servers that's the whole thing and I feel like apple has the unique ability to take this weird AI stuff that has been scaring people and exciting people and actually give it to their uh user base in a way that hopefully is is Smooths things out and keeps things you know relatively private and makes things actually useful because Apple does have that closed ecosystem of like all of your stuff is with us I don't love that apple is like this closed ecosystem and like we're not allowing you to do open things up but I think that we have these Twin Dragons right now of privac of uh of AI just like threatening to take people's jobs and vacuum up all the data on the internet and fill the internet with AI generated slop and trick all of our parents on Facebook and then on the other hand we have the dragon of Apple like being like oh we're going to lock everything down you're not allowed to do stuff but I feel like strangely the solution to Dragon one might be something like Apple's approach where it's like you know you can use AI stuff but only in these very limited ways that we tell I wouldn't make the same comparison because like why couldn't Google do on device like why can Android have an on device because their whole business model is covering up data and selling and apple does that as well but Apple's business model Apple's business they don't have a search engine Apple's closed ecosystem H is their business model yes exactly exactly okay but then that's true yeah but again with with app distribution Apple can realize the dream of the Humane pin but with app distribution then on a like the difference there is like app distrib like Macs have open app distribution they wouldn't ever have these problems that they would like apple wouldn't get sued because of the way app distributions on a Mac but they're still a closed ecosystem right so the app distribution and that are kind of separate things it's just about like when is the like power tip when is it tip over into being like okay it's a little too much now you're controlling way too much yeah like I mean you know I'm not I'm not saying we need to give all Apple all the power or whatever obviously I think that the EU could should continue and and China and whoever should continue just yeah ripping them open um but I just hope that they uh I hope that they retained the part of their soul that allows them to keep your data private encrypted on your device and give your private AI access to that without ever having to phone home I I think that that is great that's that is honestly I think that is the future of AI yeah you know I'm I I I agree with you that the bubble's probably going to pop pretty soon I don't know who knows that's the thing we don't know but I think it has to pop it has to pop at some point because exponential grow it's going to deflate in this really annoying kind of like no like way you know what I mean it's like it's either going to pop or we're just going to go straight straight line into cyber Punk dystopia where everything is AI and and we're screwed at that point someone compared it to pollution y we're definitely polluting the internet yeah there's a lot of manually turn out crap you know eight years ago it's crazy all right let's wrap this up um overall I think that uh it was great to catch up with you again Jonathan how good to be back and good to catch up with you too I miss our conversations I do as well yeah I I wish we could always Dev into philosophy and I go what I want to argue with you about iPads again at some point so we'll have you back and uh that sound great until then just uh you know keep keep on keep on repping keep on repping Tim Cook and the boys and the girls I'll try and everybody at that uh one infinite loop I don't know why I'm trying to end this like a like a adult easy listening radio but I'm kind of leaning that way do you have we should find a song in APM and that was the White Lotus the great show good show 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