1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,560 welcome back to the workshop last time we were here testing something I believe 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:08,719 it was how many case fans do you need and in what position today we're going 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:12,480 to be doing another cooling investigation video this one is going to 4 00:00:10,679 --> 00:00:16,359 be based on cable management so we're going to look into uh how much it 5 00:00:14,839 --> 00:00:21,240 actually affects your cooling now there's a little bit of a problem here 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:25,160 which is where most cases these days are actually pretty damn good and have a lot 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:28,519 of space behind the motherboard and have like very clear ways that you're 8 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:34,280 supposed to Route the cables which isn't in places that would affect the cooler 9 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:36,040 so you're probably fine but this is more 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:40,079 of an investigation as a whole sometimes you'll see comments online where someone 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:44,480 will be like your cooling's going to be terrible cuz you left a few cables going 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:49,440 in front of those fans so we're going to check that out I don't know the answer 13 00:00:46,039 --> 00:00:49,440 yet let's test everything 14 00:00:57,079 --> 00:01:05,680 live Intel brings ddr4 to the main stream with their new core i76700 K and 15 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,040 core i56600k processors check out the 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:13,720 link in the video description to learn more okay so test one is going to be uh 17 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:17,479 well pretty good in terms of cable management like this should be our 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:21,680 Benchmark for clean Cable Management it's not the best that has ever been 19 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:25,200 done but it's at the point where I think it's not going to affect the cooling in 20 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:30,520 any way so this is pretty bare in terms of setup for cooling we have a hyper 212 21 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:35,720 Evo finally I'm not putting it in a T4 and pretending it's a 212 Evo thank you 22 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,439 atmt grimes5 on Twitter for sending this 23 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,720 to me by the way emailed that to me directly cuz he was tired of me 24 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:46,960 complaining about not having one so there's one fan on there there's one 140 25 00:01:43,079 --> 00:01:50,159 mm fan in the front there's a 140 mm fan 26 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:53,159 in the back and there's two 120 mm fans 27 00:01:50,159 --> 00:01:56,479 in the top so this will be our base 28 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:58,920 Benchmark for how this computer is able 29 00:01:56,479 --> 00:02:03,159 to perform with pretty good Cable Management we we will then record its 30 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:07,039 numbers and then I'll start messing with the cables more and making it Messier 31 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:10,520 and Messier and just see how far the rabbit hole goes so I've got the case 32 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:14,599 all closed up and now I'm doing some testing so this is going to be run for 33 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:19,120 about 10 minutes total I'm running furmark on the GPU and recording 34 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:23,519 temperatures of the GPU using MSI After Burner and then I'm doing a system 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:28,480 stability test with ID to 64 in order to push the CPU so this should heat 36 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:33,000 everything up and get us to a relatively hopefully High number 37 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:38,319 um although this isn't a particularly hot graphics card and the hyper 212 Evo 38 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:43,120 is probably going to do fine because nothing's actually overclocked and then 39 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:47,280 uh we'll start throwing more cables in there and messing around okay so results 40 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:52,280 of the first tests are in again this is more just a benchmark for the rest of 41 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:58,800 the benchmarks this is where like okay there's no real cable obstructions going 42 00:02:54,360 --> 00:03:02,120 on so our CPU is at about 50° and our 43 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:04,879 GPU is at about 44 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:08,519 82° so we're going to document that make the cables a little bit worse and move 45 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:13,879 on okay so I've added some cables I haven't added an insane amount of cables 46 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:16,159 I have three big thick ones going across 47 00:03:13,879 --> 00:03:20,599 the front I have one going kind of through the middle and then I have one 48 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:25,840 placed as a pseudo not very well-managed eight pin going like across over the 49 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,159 power supply by the back of the CPU Cooler and then up to where the eight 50 00:03:27,159 --> 00:03:34,000 pin placement would be I don't expect this is going to fect much but I haven't 51 00:03:31,640 --> 00:03:38,200 tried it yet so let's figure it out okay so this one's good to go well okay let's 52 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:42,720 be clear if you're building your own system don't leave your cable management 53 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:48,400 that crappy but it's good to go for this test for what I need it to do right now 54 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,959 so walking over to this screen I'm now 55 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:58,879 going to set the test back up so yet again fur Mark for the GPU stress test 56 00:03:54,959 --> 00:04:00,480 and then starting Ida 64 for the CPU 57 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:05,200 another 10 minutes we'll record the numbers and see how it did see if it 58 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:09,799 actually affected anything I'm kind of thinking it won't or at least not very 59 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:16,639 much so that did absolutely nothing 50° on the CPU still 60 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:21,079 82° on the GPU we're going to have to make this Cable Management a lot worse 61 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:28,320 that's going to be the next step I'm going to add like maybe most of 62 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:31,320 this and we'll see what happens side 63 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:33,800 panel's on fur Mark is set up Ida 64 is 64 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:37,960 already running this test is a go I know I've said this a few times already but 65 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,600 if this doesn't produce a result there's probably not a ton that I can even do to 66 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,960 be completely honest and one of the results from this video might be if you 67 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:49,160 have a standard kind of Tower and cable management probably isn't that important 68 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,560 if you have something like a no 202 or you have that bomb that I built for the 69 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,639 Fallout build check that video up here then it probably matters because if 70 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:59,360 you're completely blocking off all of the air inputs that'll be an issue but 71 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:03,479 on a big case like this there's enough just open areas that the air is probably 72 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:09,160 going to flow um but who knows we'll see soon 73 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:15,919 10-minute test okay so no change at all CPUs at 50 74 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:22,360 graphics cards at 82 so yeah seems like if you have a mid 75 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,520 Tower you're probably fine in terms of K management so we're just going to have 76 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:31,280 some fun I'm going to put a Snoopy in there a twitch t-shirt a roll of tape an 77 00:05:28,919 --> 00:05:37,280 iron a Santa hat and maybe that'll do 78 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:37,280 something 79 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:45,479 God oops I don't know where I'm going to put 80 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,479 all this 81 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,960 stuff now if your cable management is so 82 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:59,280 bad that you put a Snoopy of Santa hat and iron and a twitch t-shirt in your 83 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:05,120 case we'll see how much that'll affect your airf flow system stability oh I 84 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:10,680 forgot the tape it's okay while the tests are running I'm going to add the 85 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:13,280 last part that I forgot to add which was 86 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:17,120 the roll of tape I'm sure lonus is totally okay with all the things I'm 87 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:17,120 doing right 88 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:25,319 now nice um I don't know where I can put 89 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:35,280 it that's probably fine 90 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:38,520 that's okay that's probably okay now 91 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:42,160 we're rocking roller tape Snoopy iron 92 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:44,599 Santa hat twitch t-shirt let's do this 93 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:48,880 tests are currently running let's see how they're going the CPU is currently 94 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:57,120 at 50° and the GPU is currently at 95 00:06:54,319 --> 00:07:01,120 74 what the hell what 96 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:09,319 okay okay so it's actually doing fine 97 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:12,319 right now which is really 98 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:13,919 concerning uh I guess we're going to 99 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:19,440 leave it for 10 minutes and then we'll be back 50° on the 100 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:24,599 CPU 82° on the GPU I put a shirt a Santa hat a Snoopy 101 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:29,039 an iron and a giant roll of tape along with every single cable that came with a 102 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:33,800 1200i into a case and it didn't affect anything 103 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:37,560 thing next up is boxes I'm going to take all this stuff out maybe put some of it 104 00:07:35,479 --> 00:07:46,319 back in but use a lot of solid boxes to try to completely block off airflow 105 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,319 Pathways I want some numbers to go 106 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:55,199 up okay so we used the box for the CPU 107 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:57,560 Cooler and we used boxes for a bunch of 108 00:07:55,199 --> 00:08:01,319 water coolers there's one under here or water blocks there's one under here 109 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,840 there's one to support that and keep it where it is there's one blocking the top 110 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:09,599 fans there's one blocking the black back fans so basically every single fan has a 111 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:16,560 box currently trying to stop it from being able to work properly except for I 112 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:19,120 guess this one there now there's a Santa 113 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:24,800 hat screwing with that one now that we've done all this I'm going to put the 114 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,599 case panel back wait hold up hold up 115 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:31,159 hold up can move that out of the way all right I'm going to put the case panel 116 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:35,440 back on I'm going to close this up I'm already 117 00:08:33,479 --> 00:08:39,399 running the tests I didn't even stop them because nothing's changed this 118 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:44,240 whole freaking time so we're currently running furmark and currently running 119 00:08:41,599 --> 00:08:47,560 Ida 64 I'm going to come over here and see if there's been any immediate 120 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:55,480 changes the GPU has not increased in temperature despite having a shirt 121 00:08:52,600 --> 00:09:01,920 shoved into it and a box under it but it looks like we have a slight in 122 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:06,240 increase in CPU temperatures oh good we'll check back in 123 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:13,120 10 minutes we did it by adding four boxes 124 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:16,240 for water blocks one box for hyper 212 125 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Evo a T-shirt and a Santa hat 126 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:24,959 effectively putting crap directly in front of every single fan there is we 127 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:30,640 have gotten the CPU to about 128 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:34,320 77° and we've gotten the GPU to 86° 129 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:36,800 done so yes in the end it took four 130 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:42,560 boxes for water blocks it took one box for a CP cooler it took a t-shirt a 131 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,000 Santa hat and all of these 132 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:51,480 cables in addition to the cables that were already inside which totals a pile 133 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,079 that looks something like this placed 134 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:57,880 into the computer in addition to the required components to heat it up so 135 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:01,880 your bad cable management in your mid Tower is probably fine this didn't 136 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:06,079 include tests for things like really really small cases or very specific 137 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:10,600 builds like the bomb we have or something like a node 202 or like an 138 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:16,120 rvz01 from Silverstone but yeah it's probably fine if your C 139 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:21,240 management is bad but like I don't know how to word this because don't just use 140 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:25,079 that as an excuse to have bad kill management we don't want ugly computers 141 00:10:23,079 --> 00:10:29,480 it's not a good idea don't post a build log on the Forum and go like lol Luke 142 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:33,800 told me it was okay to have terrible Cable Management because it's not going 143 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:36,680 to increase my thermals very 144 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:45,360 much just do it properly everything will be fine apacer is giving away five 145 00:10:39,959 --> 00:10:46,519 apacer as 330 Panther 240 GB ssds for a 146 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:52,920 chance to win check out the link in the video description Down Below on the lineus tech tips Forum also they' like 147 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:57,240 me to call it their nox ddr4 sodm memory design for gaming Enthusiast Graphics 148 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:03,600 designers and business users they're energy efficient consuming 1.2 volts and 149 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:05,560 it can go up to 64 GB in their total kit 150 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:10,560 capacity also they want me to call it the as720 SSD it's dual interface so you 151 00:11:08,639 --> 00:11:16,560 use it internally or externally it's at 120 GB or 240 GB that's USB type c or 152 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:21,480 SATA internally if you want to do it that way thanks for watching this video 153 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:25,760 it didn't really come out as I expected and I don't think the conclusion or what 154 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:29,519 I had to do to get to the conclusion was necessarily what anyone expected but I 155 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:36,000 hope you like watching consider supporting like the video if you liked it dislike if 156 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:37,320 you disliked it um get subscribed 157 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:43,079 consider supporting us through Amazon he's 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