{"video_id":"Y5bSxcec-KE","title":"We got the GPU AMD wouldn’t sell…","channel":"Linus Tech Tips","show":"Linus Tech Tips","published_at":"2021-05-05T14:53:29Z","duration_s":747,"segments":[{"start_s":0.08,"end_s":8.8,"text":"every once in a while i get my hands on something so special so unique that not","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":5.52,"end_s":12.16,"text":"only does nobody have one almost no one","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":8.8,"end_s":13.759,"text":"even knows that it exists and today is","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":12.16,"end_s":21.039,"text":"one of those days thanks to rare tech collector yuki ons","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":17.68,"end_s":22.8,"text":"i'm gonna go with yuki on our forum i","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":21.039,"end_s":29.599,"text":"have this a hopefully working prototype of the","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":25.92,"end_s":30.48,"text":"long lost vega 16 a graphics card 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us this card thanks for watching guys if you're","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":732.0,"end_s":739.279,"text":"looking for something else to watch why not check out our sort of similar-ish","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":736.399,"end_s":743.76,"text":"video where we got an old mining GPU so one with no display outputs whatsoever","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0},{"start_s":741.92,"end_s":748.0,"text":"and used it to run games babyface me is gonna see you there","speaker":null,"is_sponsor":0}],"full_text":"every once in a while i get my hands on something so special so unique that not only does nobody have one almost no one even knows that it exists and today is one of those days thanks to rare tech collector yuki ons i'm gonna go with yuki on our forum i have this a hopefully working prototype of the long lost vega 16 a graphics card from AMD that never saw the light of day was it for the best does it suck well we're gonna find out aren't we ladies and gentlemen this is crazy sometimes you'll see a prototype card that you look closely at and you go yeah that was basically a qualifying sample this not so much this thing is dev board af so all these leads up here on the top edge of the board so you'd be able to plug like some kind of custom proprietary harness onto them these are all soldered on so they would use that usually for things like monitoring the thermals or the power consumption of the board while they are developing the drivers for it on the other side we've got just the right mix of what i would call professional cluj this is a proper-ish cooling solution you can see there's Radeon branding on the fan and this heatsink here looks to be actually custom made for this board but then in terms of how they're keeping it cool well it's just like yeah there's you know this random fan kind of bolted onto it and we've got a theory as to why it's set up like this now with a desktop card you would create a reference cooler for it at the same time that you're creating the reference board but check this out the bottom edge of the card only has enough pins for a pci express 8x interface so it's got a 16x connector on it because they would have been validating this GPU in a desktop motherboard they would have needed to just chunk it in there but this would have been a laptop product at the end of the day and until very recently pretty much all dedicated gpus and laptops ran 8x interfaces another oddity is this check this out it's got all displayport ports no HDMI so that would mean that this board if it was ever destined for release would have probably been like a workstation board or something like that like there's no way this would have ended up in a gaming GPU eight pin power connector oof on like a a low tier vega 16. i mean i guess you would just put it on and then we've seen this before actually finished reference designs that just have the contact pads for a connector but it's just not on there so maybe it's just in case hoping for the best oh we're lit up ladies and gentlemen oh wow that's gross okay so this seems to be running at 24. it hurts i don't even think that's 30. one hurts that is 24 times more cinematic than your favorite films the only option in the basic display adapter properties here is 64 hertz yeah wait no that can't be one hertz that's not even right what's even going on right now 4k 24 hertz i believe that i don't believe 1 or 64 looking at this wow that is that is some tearing ladies no one so we've just got the microsoft basic display adapter driver uh Anthony did you have any AMD drivers on this before like did this have an AMD jeep unit before would it have had a chance to grab it uh no no okay no okay so that makes sense uh let's go ahead and fire up GPU z and see what this thing picks up as normally even if we're talking about graphics cards that have had their firmware tampered with by you know wish scammers or pre-production cpus it'll normally be able to grab things like you know how much cash is on the CPU or whatever else like half of these fields are not populated directx support unknown shaders unknown rops unknown it just has no idea what's going on so it knows default clock but not GPU clock it can't read it it knows it has hbm2 memory but it thinks it has zero megabytes even many of the fields that are populated are clearly wrong it says it's running at PCIe 16x 3.0 but we know it doesn't even have enough pins for that these are the latest adrenaline drivers from AMD's website if there's anything that would know what this card is it would obviously be AMD's own drivers right i doubt this is going to work normally they have to manually add the ids for every card that the driver works with so if there was some way for us to know what that was and add it in i don't know maybe but probably not lttstore.com oh something wrong now that's interesting though that error message it did detect AMD graphics hardware but just not supported AMD graphics hardware we might not be defeated yet this wouldn't be an Anthony video if there wasn't some reason to have Linux come in and save the day where's my Linux boot drive i'm legitimately excited about this i had no idea that any of that random grab mega stuff yuki sent was going to actually fire up and nothing we are not defeated yet though vega owners even the ones who bought finished cards have had some issues in Linux and there's kind of a list of tips and tricks that we can try starting with unplugging our display cable from the graphics card and plugging it into our onboard GPU which means we need an HDMI connection HDMI to the rescue hrvg oh look at that oh interesting vga compatible controller nba ti vega 12. huh like vega 12 uh that's that's a finished notebook GPU isn't it it's uh i believe it's built into the apus the high-end apus but i'm not sure at this stage we could attempt to use our vega 16 but it's very unlikely to work without a couple of kernel parameter changes AMD GPU dot vm underscore update underscore mode equals three is going to tell the driver to use the CPU to update video memory when needed we also need to turn dynamic power management off we need to disable some more power management features we need to make sure the system doesn't try and continue running the card if it runs into a problem we need to provide more information for troubleshooting that's not strictly speaking needed but it may help us diagnose any further issues and we need to disable GPU recovery in the case of a crash now this isn't going to let the card just boot up like it was able to in Windows but we should be able to render our games on the card and then pass through the work that's been done to the integrated GPU kind of like we did when we got that mining card running in Windows in games Anthony prepared all that stuff in manjaro Linux vega 16. it's our own special branch of Linux just in case you know you've got one of these cards that you need to run glx gears is a simple render test and we're going to run the vega 16 version of it to make sure that the rendering is done on the graphics card rather than the onboard like i described before and that is some really ugly artifacting like what does that look like does that look like a memory problem to you yeah it kind of looks like it but it's working yeah that's wow okay the only way to know if it's working for sure is to know that it's like heating up do we know for sure that that's rendering on this one so here we have all of the information saying the gl renderer is currently the AMD vega 12. if i ran it without that parameter it would just run on the standard integrated graphics it really isn't running very warm apparently this is running with vsync on though so that could be part of the reason it's just not working that hard let's fire up a game shall we roll cs go all right let's do it we're playing some vegas 16 cs go someone at home is like from that lab it's gonna be like what happened to that thing given that weird artifacting we saw on the render test this is way better than i would have expected oh and it's definitely heating up now we are looking at 50 60 FPS running at 1080 all high anti-aliasing off i mean it's playable like well playable it's not great but it's playable unreal sorry source source source engine a gamer joke to put those performance numbers in context we went ahead and fired up the same game running at the same settings on the onboard graphics this time we're looking at about 30 to 35 frames per second so yeah given that that's a comparison to onboard graphics you know the vega 16 is not exactly a high performance part but it's working let's go back to our non-modified kernel Linux and try one more thing this is a little tool called core control we can pull up the system tab and have a look at what we got in here uh yeah that doesn't really oh hey you know we've got a new piece of information apparently it has four gigs of RAM fascinating i mean it might be right it also might not because it thinks it's a vega 12 and all that but okay anyway more interestingly we can go into our profile here fire up GPU one okay and check this out we can take this slider and move it all the way to the right pretty cool this may give us more performance i mean going from 300 megahertz to 1300 megahertz assuming those numbers mean anything should be a pretty significant performance bump dang it's real working now this is crazy so what is this thing it's a it's got 16 compute units which makes it more akin to a mobile part but it's got like you know 1300 megahertz core clock speeds hbm2 memory what is it maybe it was gonna be like a mid-range fire gl card but then if that four gigs of RAM is right that wouldn't be enough for work so it crashed in fairness it wasn't you know done right now there are a few more things that we could try what we suspect is that by dragging the sliders all the way to the right we were actually putting the card in kind of an overclocked state like it's its maximum possible turbo and so the way that AMD would probably be working on this card is they would be trying all these different power profiles monitoring voltages monitoring temperatures monitoring power draw using all these leads on the back and you would eventually end up with a driver that's tuned so that it will it'll burst up like that but won't necessarily try to stay there so we're not going to try and do the entire AMD hardware engineering and software driver teams jobs with this one engineering board so that's pretty much the end of our experiment then i'm sure you guys would love to see us pull the cooler off take off the thermal paste like really dig into this thing and look at what's there but remember guys we didn't pay for this we do need to return it still as functional as it is so i'm just gonna leave that alone and just thank yuki for lending us this card thanks for watching guys if you're looking for something else to watch why not check out our sort of similar-ish video where we got an old mining GPU so one with no display outputs whatsoever and used it to run games babyface me is gonna see you there"}