WEBVTT 00:00:00.199 --> 00:00:07.560 uh everyone's confused about the iPad except for me 00:00:05.180 --> 00:00:11.340 the main problem with iPads is that they're dumb 00:00:08.940 --> 00:00:14.280 that's what I think Mac Address guy Jonathan Horst 00:00:12.840 --> 00:00:19.080 what do you I think you don't understand iPads okay it's quite interesting 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:24.119 because from what I gather your character on LTT is like has the iPad 00:00:22.140 --> 00:00:29.039 guy you did all the videos where you used the iPad yeah as a computer okay I 00:00:27.240 --> 00:00:35.219 I need to clarify that I don't think iPads are dumb but I think that Apple's 00:00:31.500 --> 00:00:38.100 approach to iPads is like at the same 00:00:35.219 --> 00:00:43.500 time cool and confusing and dumb does that make sense I think you're 00:00:40.559 --> 00:00:46.739 wrong okay I but also you think that you think they've had a perfect approach no 00:00:45.120 --> 00:00:50.520 no I know I think you're wrong but also right to give some context to this uh 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:57.420 this little argument that we're having uh Apple released the 10th gen iPad and 00:00:55.980 --> 00:01:03.059 it's the you know they did the same thing where they updated with the kind 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:07.380 of like iPad pro-ish squared off Square 00:01:03.059 --> 00:01:11.280 design images yeah uh while still you 00:01:07.380 --> 00:01:15.000 know hampering its ability to be it's uh 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:19.200 this kind of cool new iPad OS powered 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:21.060 desktop capable capabilities device uh 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:25.619 which annoys me this is the other interesting thing I'm using the keyboard 00:01:22.619 --> 00:01:28.799 dock the sorry the magic keyboard folio 00:01:25.619 --> 00:01:30.540 whatever and you're using the regular 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:36.060 folder yeah folio because you think that the iPad should be and remain a touch 00:01:33.900 --> 00:01:40.560 first first device device I made a whole video about it uh is one of of my 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:45.479 earliest videos here at Mac Address about how the Mac shouldn't have a touch 00:01:43.740 --> 00:01:50.340 screen and the iPad has a touch screen and this is these are this is a good 00:01:47.880 --> 00:01:55.320 line to to have I mean the added mouse support to uh the iPad but that's 00:01:52.860 --> 00:02:01.020 because their their argument for not adding touch support to the Mac means 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:03.420 that that has to happen but oh right 00:02:01.020 --> 00:02:07.439 because they said when the iPad or sorry when the MacBook Air came when they 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:10.500 redesigned in 2010 that was kind of when touch screens on laptops were a new 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:15.420 thing and they addressed it in the keynote they're like no one wants to reach their hands up 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:19.739 that's just not that's literally what they said well which makes a lot of 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:25.860 sense you know like I feel like I really loved when they added the touchpad 00:02:21.300 --> 00:02:27.959 because the iPad is a you know laptop 00:02:25.860 --> 00:02:33.120 sized screen it's a small laptop size screen uh in most models I mean the 12.9 00:02:31.020 --> 00:02:38.220 inch that's a 13 inch laptop basically and and so when I was making my LTT 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:41.940 videos reviewing the iPad pros and all these like you know iterative changes 00:02:40.379 --> 00:02:46.980 that they were making to iPad OS to make it more like a desktop operating system 00:02:45.060 --> 00:02:51.120 that was it was that was that was exciting to me and I saw it when they 00:02:49.620 --> 00:02:54.239 when they said when they added the touchpad I was like great this is this 00:02:52.860 --> 00:02:57.180 makes sense yes no one wants to touch the screen that's true and so we need 00:02:55.980 --> 00:03:03.000 the touchpad we need that mouse support we need that desktop those desktops because of just the just because this is 00:03:01.440 --> 00:03:07.260 a touch versus device adding the keyboard to it there was a benefit to 00:03:05.340 --> 00:03:11.400 not having the mouse that's what I'm saying but I don't usually I don't think 00:03:09.180 --> 00:03:15.480 that the iPad needs a mouse okay so let's take a step back let's take a look 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:20.220 because because we have different you know maybe you've 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:24.720 been able to pick up on this viewer but we have different philosophies about 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:29.340 about what Apple has been and should be doing with their 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:34.739 products so so we have a situation where we have macOS uh it's a desktop 00:03:32.459 --> 00:03:39.540 operating system and Windows was a desktop operating system they were both 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:41.879 yes desktop operations at one point 00:03:39.540 --> 00:03:46.980 you know touch devices started showing up Apple released the iPad tablets were 00:03:44.580 --> 00:03:50.459 a big thing and Windows decided Microsoft decided to take Windows in a 00:03:49.260 --> 00:03:55.319 touch Direction they're like we're gonna we're gonna do Windows 8 and we're gonna 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:57.659 make all the icons big and make the 00:03:55.319 --> 00:04:02.580 desktop situation worse and kind of force people into a touch touch you uh 00:04:00.959 --> 00:04:06.900 how did that go interface it went horribly and everyone hated it and 00:04:04.200 --> 00:04:11.159 everyone hated Windows 8 and they were like okay okay let's take a step back 00:04:08.640 --> 00:04:15.120 they thought about it they released Windows 8.1 which kind of like rolled 00:04:13.260 --> 00:04:20.280 back a lot of the like touch forcing touch uh uh features and then they 00:04:18.419 --> 00:04:25.680 released Windows 10 what was Windows 10 Windows 10 was great it was a great 00:04:23.340 --> 00:04:29.940 synthesis they made a mistake they took a step back they thought about it again 00:04:27.479 --> 00:04:33.300 and they released Windows 10. everyone was happy for Windows 10 in terms of the 00:04:31.979 --> 00:04:37.199 interface so they were there were still some like it there's still some things 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:41.639 that people didn't like about you know the data collection and all this stuff and they were like I don't think I don't 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:45.660 remember there being like performance issues but you know there's stuff with the release of any everything Windows 10 00:04:44.520 --> 00:04:50.280 was the operating system they should have released with Windows 8 yes yeah so 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:54.360 Windows 10 was great there were touch Windows 10 devices there were two in 00:04:52.259 --> 00:04:57.960 ones people could use it as a tablet or a computer or whatever but what did 00:04:56.220 --> 00:05:01.320 Apple do I have hold on I have a question for you 00:04:59.280 --> 00:05:05.460 did you ever use tablet mode in Windows 10. ever have you ever well I haven't 00:05:04.380 --> 00:05:09.780 really thought I haven't really used a two-in-one for 00:05:07.919 --> 00:05:15.180 any length of time I mean I think I maybe I've reviewed one or two at what 00:05:12.479 --> 00:05:19.860 are we arguing then what do you mean I wait I have a laptop I have a surface 00:05:17.520 --> 00:05:24.300 laptop with a touch screen I use it sometimes not all the time in the in the 00:05:22.500 --> 00:05:28.979 in the positions I made you do no I don't hold it I don't hold it remember 00:05:26.039 --> 00:05:33.900 the video oh right yeah yeah I was holding it we're gonna have to find that 00:05:30.960 --> 00:05:38.940 video but um no I don't use it like like a touch first device but every once in a 00:05:36.900 --> 00:05:42.840 while if I want to like zoom in on a picture or something so I actually 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:46.500 somehow cut the first little bit of the original 00:05:44.699 --> 00:05:50.400 iPad introduction when Steve Jobs was saying like what is the iPad for and it 00:05:48.419 --> 00:05:54.720 was like it needs to be better at these specific things and it was internet 00:05:52.199 --> 00:06:00.360 browsing email video watching photo viewing 00:05:55.860 --> 00:06:02.220 ebooks and music those are the things 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:08.400 that he listed out that iPad should be in it yeah so like really basic stuff 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:14.220 like the most like the the least you can do right and it was a lot about content 00:06:11.280 --> 00:06:17.699 consumption and a lot of people were I guess confused with the iPad at the time 00:06:15.539 --> 00:06:21.660 and a little kind of flummoxed about it because it felt like a big iPhone and 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:25.380 and when it was obstensively was though you could argue in terms of the history 00:06:22.919 --> 00:06:30.180 of Apple the iPhone was a small iPad because that's actually how the ideas 00:06:27.419 --> 00:06:33.060 went but anyway yes oh oh they they came they were working on they were working 00:06:31.380 --> 00:06:36.419 on the iPad and then realized we should do these are great ideas that would work 00:06:34.620 --> 00:06:39.840 on a phone and then pivoted to the phone and then did the and then came back to 00:06:37.860 --> 00:06:43.380 the app that's interesting now those criticisms of the iPad in those 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:48.660 early days of it being consumption device are valid and in some cases still 00:06:46.919 --> 00:06:52.800 are valid so the question was like well what could 00:06:50.400 --> 00:06:57.479 you do with an iPad to make it more I guess productive 00:06:55.199 --> 00:07:00.960 um and so Apple in the next year they released the iWork Suite which nobody 00:06:58.979 --> 00:07:05.460 bought uh and then there was GarageBand and iMovie and they're really basic kind 00:07:03.060 --> 00:07:08.100 of kitty versions of those apps but you could do stuff now on it and there's 00:07:06.900 --> 00:07:12.240 some keyboard accessories and stuff like that still kind of still kind of 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:17.940 confused but uh since then the iPad has grown 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:19.800 profoundly in functionality it has and I 00:07:17.940 --> 00:07:24.120 think that's really impressive and when I've been doing iPad videos and talking 00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:29.099 to people uh normal people who use iPads they do integrate it into their lives in 00:07:26.819 --> 00:07:31.860 really amazing ways and they're using it a lot and I think the biggest surprise 00:07:30.599 --> 00:07:37.259 for me too is when I bought my first iPad which was an iPad 3. 00:07:33.960 --> 00:07:38.580 um this is now like a decade ago I too 00:07:37.259 --> 00:07:42.780 was a little skeptical about this consumption device like why would I need 00:07:40.500 --> 00:07:46.740 this but I used it all the time it was like the most used computer when I was 00:07:44.400 --> 00:07:51.720 at home and it's just because it's a it's a kid can walk around with it yeah 00:07:49.139 --> 00:07:55.319 and can Lounge on the couch and use yeah if I use a laptop I Lounge on the couch 00:07:54.060 --> 00:07:59.340 and use a laptop really bad for ergonomics right a lot of 00:07:57.419 --> 00:08:04.800 stuff's like on my chest so so you're saying that the strength of the iPad is 00:08:01.860 --> 00:08:08.400 in its difference from a laptop or a desktop yeah absolutely right that's the 00:08:06.840 --> 00:08:12.479 whole point okay there's something very very important to point out here after 00:08:10.440 --> 00:08:16.400 this message from our sponsor that's right we got a sponsor guys it's secret 00:08:14.280 --> 00:08:20.340 lab thanks for sponsoring today's video whether it's business or place secret 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:24.240 lab chairs are designed to keep you comfortable for long hours like the long 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:27.740 hours it takes us 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or 00:09:06.300 --> 00:09:12.420 maybe it was the iPad Pro they were like where there's there's a single piece of 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:15.800 glass and it's your it's the Hub it's like it's like you're so it's like a 00:09:13.800 --> 00:09:18.660 Microsoft concept video this is this not an apple thing I 00:09:17.880 --> 00:09:23.640 thought there was an apple thing where they said like this a single piece of glass for your computer or whatever 00:09:21.540 --> 00:09:27.300 maybe I'll Google it but I'm not going to do that it sounds like a Microsoft 00:09:25.019 --> 00:09:32.940 concept video from 2000 into three no way it's definitely anyway go on 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:37.200 um anyways so if if apple is like all right our our vision for the future of 00:09:35.100 --> 00:09:42.660 computing is to have this like touch friendly glass like single pane of thing 00:09:40.140 --> 00:09:45.660 that you can like do anything with you know it has advanced capabilities but 00:09:44.220 --> 00:09:52.080 you don't need to use that all the time it it can be a simple device as well if 00:09:48.839 --> 00:09:55.500 they want to do that then they need to 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:57.240 build out iPad OS uh into like more of a 00:09:55.500 --> 00:10:00.839 capable desktop operating system which they've been doing and I think that like 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:05.760 this is what's so frustrating to me about this 10th gen iPad is because they 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:12.240 added all these cool things to the iPad pros and the iPad Air uh they've got now 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:15.779 finally support for external monitors that can like fill the whole screen and 00:10:13.980 --> 00:10:19.740 act as a actual second display play instead of just dual duplicating it 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:23.339 there because I got to do the ShortCircuit for this 10th gen iPad but this 00:10:21.839 --> 00:10:28.200 doesn't this one doesn't support page manager is only available to M1 and 00:10:25.560 --> 00:10:30.660 above powered iPads okay um there was a lot of complaining about 00:10:29.640 --> 00:10:36.660 that um and so there's it might they might have stayed manager to a 14 powered 00:10:34.920 --> 00:10:40.140 iPads which would include this in the previous generation error however I 00:10:38.940 --> 00:10:45.180 think in that case they're still going to limit it only to on the iPad screen 00:10:42.420 --> 00:10:49.880 as opposed to external uh an external screen what and then no that they're 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:55.260 going to do that don't worry because stage manager on external screen not 00:10:52.860 --> 00:11:00.360 that great really really not a fun experience why because in some apps you 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:03.480 grab the corner and it resizes some other apps it doesn't resize it's just 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:09.660 everything's so inconsistent particularly when you're using a mouse on the iPad 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:13.980 um even even with these accessories it's there's such inconsistency with the 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:17.820 mouse on an iPad uh that it's just really like which I remember remember as 00:11:16.019 --> 00:11:21.360 being like one of the main things that was annoying when they added these like 00:11:19.860 --> 00:11:26.640 when they added mouse support and external monitors instead support for 00:11:23.579 --> 00:11:29.279 external displays because it's like 00:11:26.640 --> 00:11:33.120 they put the headline like oh you can use the mouse on an iPad now oh you can 00:11:31.079 --> 00:11:38.339 use external monitors and then you go to use it and you're like this is 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:42.540 possibly the dumbest way you could implement this it works until it doesn't 00:11:40.620 --> 00:11:46.740 like even if you want to use this as like an actual just desktop device you 00:11:44.459 --> 00:11:49.680 can't use it it kind of tricks you for a second because you have the keyboard and 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:54.360 you have the track so this is the second issue with the iPad okay so what I think 00:11:52.560 --> 00:11:57.240 people fundamentally confuse is they look at the way the Mac works and they 00:11:56.040 --> 00:12:02.700 think this is a really flexible operating system and it's really you know this is the way I want my operating 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:07.920 system to to be and then they assume that by putting that interface on an 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:13.380 iPad they're gonna get that but the problem with the iPad is is is a part of 00:12:11.339 --> 00:12:18.959 a much greater story which is Apple's kind of the way Apple closed down iOS 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:21.480 both on iPhone and iPad which is the 00:12:18.959 --> 00:12:26.700 whole epic versus Apple trial uh all it is Anti-Trust scrutiny 00:12:23.339 --> 00:12:29.040 the iPad App Store distribution model I 00:12:26.700 --> 00:12:34.620 think is cons killing the iPad it's constraining the iPad thank you out of 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:39.600 any any out of even discovering how to best use this form factor in this touch 00:12:36.899 --> 00:12:45.180 interface exactly and so if you're saying you want to put macOS on an iPad 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:48.120 because really it's the district app distribution model then we need to deal 00:12:46.500 --> 00:12:51.720 with app distribution not the interface wait 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:55.079 what I'm just enjoying the framing right now that's not what I'm saying I don't 00:12:53.519 --> 00:13:00.180 want to put macOS on the iPad and I don't want to put iPod OS on the Mac I'm 00:12:57.420 --> 00:13:06.600 just lamenting the fact that Apple felt the need to like develop both platforms 00:13:03.800 --> 00:13:11.940 and kind of like cross pollinate some features from one onto the onto the 00:13:08.339 --> 00:13:14.720 other like macOS has gotten some stuff 00:13:11.940 --> 00:13:19.260 from iOS and iPad OS has done some stuff settings but the system settings in 00:13:17.880 --> 00:13:24.120 Ventura is terrible right oh right yeah because the 00:13:21.959 --> 00:13:27.959 the system settings in Ventura now looks like looks like the iPad settings it's 00:13:25.920 --> 00:13:33.060 got this the sidebar thing going on right the stupidest thing I can't 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:36.959 believe that this is how I iOS works it's so crazy to me this is someone 00:13:35.040 --> 00:13:40.079 who's got the worst part but it's it's not the worst part yeah whatever I just 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:46.800 mean um so they've done this thing where they've crossed pollinate features onto 00:13:43.380 --> 00:13:49.019 both platforms but they have refused to 00:13:46.800 --> 00:13:52.980 like take those to its natural conclusion like okay we're adding all 00:13:51.300 --> 00:13:56.100 these like features from our touch operating system on the macOS but we're 00:13:54.779 --> 00:14:01.800 not going to add touch and we're not even going to think about it and we're adding all these desktop features from 00:13:58.920 --> 00:14:03.920 the desktop onto iOS to make this to the cross 00:14:04.160 --> 00:14:10.680 at every time they've done that they should have those those ideas of 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:16.200 cross-pollination and and seeing that kind of happen a little bit I don't like 00:14:12.660 --> 00:14:18.839 I know I want them divided the issue is 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:22.860 that the App Store is the only app distribution model on the iPad and it's 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:28.560 it means developers are just not going to invest their time into making the 00:14:26.339 --> 00:14:32.579 iPad better they have no reason to adopt the stage manager stuff because most 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:36.540 people have one of these iPads okay so you you've identified you want to get 00:14:34.560 --> 00:14:41.279 rid of the App Store do you think that if Apple gets rid of the App Store on 00:14:38.880 --> 00:14:47.880 iPad OS that they can retain the amount the the kind 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:49.440 of control of the UI and the form factor 00:14:47.880 --> 00:14:55.139 and all this stuff that they that they want to do yeah or do they go hand in 00:14:52.019 --> 00:14:57.240 hand no no no no they don't go anywhere 00:14:55.139 --> 00:15:03.000 well I mean my argument is if they didn't control the app 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.260 Distribution on the iPad so strenuously 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:09.420 yeah um the limitations of the iPad wouldn't I 00:15:07.740 --> 00:15:15.920 don't think would feel as as but why well because developers would 00:15:14.040 --> 00:15:22.260 be making more money invest in in in new app ideas uh because 00:15:20.220 --> 00:15:25.320 right now like all the apps I have on my iPad are like free apps that I have to 00:15:23.699 --> 00:15:29.220 like you know they're either free apps that are basically just other Windows of 00:15:26.699 --> 00:15:34.079 websites or they're apps that are part of an app subscription model like 00:15:30.779 --> 00:15:36.540 Microsoft Office right you know Adobe so 00:15:34.079 --> 00:15:41.579 like this software as a service I is the result of this this difficulty in terms 00:15:39.060 --> 00:15:47.519 of figuring out how to monetize apps on the on on a device like this and so that 00:15:44.820 --> 00:15:51.480 that's the problem see to me as soon as you get rid of the App Store 00:15:49.560 --> 00:15:56.779 and people can like side load apps and download them from the internet like 00:15:52.800 --> 00:15:58.980 they do on anything no no no install 00:15:56.779 --> 00:16:04.260 sorry I just I was saying that to differentiate from a stick of the word 00:16:01.620 --> 00:16:06.959 side left sure I just mean if they were allowed to install apps from any Source 00:16:05.940 --> 00:16:12.720 they want uh I think that that would necessarily 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:15.120 break the sort of like touch first Focus 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:18.300 that you like with the iPad no because because then developers would come in 00:16:16.860 --> 00:16:26.040 here and they would fix all these problems that I'm complaining about no no no no the point is the usefulness of 00:16:22.740 --> 00:16:28.260 the iPad is is not compromised by the 00:16:26.040 --> 00:16:31.980 fact it's a touch first device the usefulness of the iPad is compromised by 00:16:30.300 --> 00:16:35.760 the app distribution model that Apple's controlling I mean I agree with you 00:16:33.660 --> 00:16:38.639 there yeah I just think that and I think that we'd have a better idea of what a 00:16:37.500 --> 00:16:42.540 tablet is without that without I guess I'm just I 00:16:41.100 --> 00:16:46.199 guess I'm just envisioning this future where we get rid of the App Store and I 00:16:44.100 --> 00:16:51.300 think that and then that's the same iPad OS becomes a desktop because you know 00:16:47.820 --> 00:16:53.579 like yeah no what does it happen well I 00:16:51.300 --> 00:16:57.480 didn't want that to happen I do here's my dream here's my dream here's where 00:16:54.779 --> 00:17:01.740 this all comes from okay my dream and it's like I don't know how actually 00:16:58.620 --> 00:17:03.660 practical it it it is but since I kind 00:17:01.740 --> 00:17:08.640 of got into Tech I feel like my dream has been to have this this this thing 00:17:06.179 --> 00:17:12.959 that Apple the setup that Apple uh I think it's Apple we'll confirm that they 00:17:11.100 --> 00:17:18.720 set up which is that you have a relatively simple device you can take it 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:23.040 to a desktop situation where you connect it to a keyboard and a mouse and 00:17:20.040 --> 00:17:24.839 external monitors and peripherals and 00:17:23.040 --> 00:17:28.620 you have all this stuff and then you can disconnect it from all that stuff and 00:17:26.579 --> 00:17:33.380 take it away and use it as a as a tablet and maybe you even fold it up and use it 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:37.400 as a phone you know like I think that obviously all of these like they're 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:43.200 they're all these phone as computers experiments over the years the the motor 00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:44.700 Motorola axon I think they made I think 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:47.880 it was Motorola it might have been a different company but they made something called the axon you could do 00:17:46.860 --> 00:17:52.679 this there was I think there was a no key Windows Windows had Continuum which 00:17:50.880 --> 00:17:56.160 was their whole like Windows feature where you could plug in a Windows phone 00:17:54.360 --> 00:17:59.700 and use it as a as a computer and I was like this is super super cool for people 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:04.799 who are buying Chromebooks for people who are buying netbooks back in the day 00:18:01.320 --> 00:18:07.020 like you don't need a ton of uh uh power 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:10.740 in your system and phones are super powerful now they can totally power this 00:18:09.120 --> 00:18:16.740 stuff and iPads even more so with like M1 and M2 later wait is there an M2 iPad 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:20.760 there is yeah just kidding yeah yeah so it's like that's what I think we should 00:18:19.140 --> 00:18:25.980 be heading towards I think that like a situation where you can you can buy the 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:30.900 the iPad for relatively cheap what's this one is 450. if this one supported 00:18:28.919 --> 00:18:35.160 stage manager and external monitor support that was actually decent and not 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:38.700 like like the the crap ones that you're saying that it is on the on the on the 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:42.480 upper tier ones if you could buy an iPad for 450 and you're like you know what 00:18:40.799 --> 00:18:46.799 there's a lot of power in here and I want to use it as my computer you you 00:18:44.700 --> 00:18:52.020 spend okay the the keyboard full it was 250 that's insane but say you want to 00:18:50.760 --> 00:18:56.100 use it as a computer you buy the keyboard folio oh say you want to you a 00:18:54.419 --> 00:19:00.419 mouse you connect your mouse I say you need a dongle to connect to to monitors 00:18:58.679 --> 00:19:04.740 and you just like add on things and it's modular and then you can build the setup 00:19:02.760 --> 00:19:08.220 that you want instead of having Apple dictate to you that no if you buy this 00:19:07.260 --> 00:19:12.179 iPad you cannot do these things that you 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:17.220 theoretically totally should be able to do but we're just not letting you do it 00:19:14.100 --> 00:19:18.600 because you whoa that's talk like 00:19:17.220 --> 00:19:22.500 this so this 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:27.960 future that you're you're thinking of where you have a single puck 00:19:25.020 --> 00:19:32.640 yeah that can now change its screen size into many different screens I think it's 00:19:30.600 --> 00:19:36.980 really a really neat idea thank you um I came up with it myself 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:43.140 quite think of phones powerful enough to really do that 00:19:41.700 --> 00:19:48.299 really no to do like just general basic 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:51.539 browsing like like you do some you do I do it on my phone right now 00:19:49.919 --> 00:19:58.080 not until once you get to desktop level I don't okay uh but uh there's gonna be 00:19:55.620 --> 00:20:02.039 people eagerly commenting with that uh I disagree but you know yeah but what I'm 00:19:59.760 --> 00:20:05.460 trying to say is like there's gonna be I guess compromises within that stack as 00:20:03.840 --> 00:20:10.140 we've seen already when every every time somebody's tried to do it yeah 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:15.419 um and so that is a great feature to to strive towards and I I think that within 00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:18.620 that feature you can still work out the ideas of what each screen size is Gonna 00:20:17.340 --> 00:20:23.520 Act Like and stay focused within that and I don't 00:20:21.419 --> 00:20:28.500 think that saying well they need to put a desktop operating 00:20:25.080 --> 00:20:31.140 system on the iPad is 00:20:28.500 --> 00:20:35.520 um really going to get you there when really we should be figuring out what is 00:20:33.419 --> 00:20:39.900 this screen size with a touch screen and this this form factor how does this work 00:20:37.980 --> 00:20:45.059 when I'm in this form factor and just refining that and then if we do get to 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:47.700 this one device dissolved day which I 00:20:45.059 --> 00:20:51.360 mean I it's gonna happen but it would be great I feel like that's just like the 00:20:49.260 --> 00:20:55.260 it has to happen at some point but maybe but maybe if we if we maybe don't get 00:20:53.460 --> 00:21:00.539 there but I don't think I don't think shoehorning desktop stuff on an iPad's 00:20:57.900 --> 00:21:07.559 gonna get us there but I do think you call it shoe Horning continue sorry I 00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:09.240 think I do think like we we have can now 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:12.360 computers at different screen sizes all the time and they have just different 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:16.740 ways you interact with them because of literally the way you hold them 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:22.020 physically yeah and the physicality of it dictates how you use it and so being 00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:24.840 focused with that physicality about like okay well when I'm on my phone I can I 00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:31.260 need to be able to use it one-handed because it's a small you know the iPad is best used sitting 00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:34.980 on a couch yeah you know a desktop computer is best used sitting at a desk 00:21:32.760 --> 00:21:38.880 well you know the way you sit and the way you're 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:44.220 limbs are positioned yeah dictate then how that computer is going to be best 00:21:40.500 --> 00:21:46.980 serve you so we should be humans should 00:21:44.220 --> 00:21:54.419 should submit to the limits imposed by our own physiology yeah that's BS I want 00:21:50.520 --> 00:21:57.179 a bionic arms let's go let's just get 00:21:54.419 --> 00:22:01.980 some Deus Ex in here just kidding we are out of time and I really really 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:07.679 appreciate your perspective thank you so much for coming on and 00:22:05.520 --> 00:22:12.299 thank you for watching uh subscribe to TechLinked I never say this why not but 00:22:10.919 --> 00:22:16.740 we want people to do we want to do more of these also subscribe to Mac Address 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:19.559 yes if you I called you out right in the beginning so you did okay leave a 00:22:18.120 --> 00:22:26.299 comment below if you think we're both wrong and we should be using Linux 00:22:21.659 --> 00:22:26.299 instead uh see you later