okay there you people happy we
focused the camera before the show before the show not during the show and
i'm pretty sure that we got it right but
then again this is coming from the same person who was pretty sure we had it
right all those other times so welcome to the
lan show guys we've got a great show for you guys today i'm going to be having uh
james and potentially some of the other writers join me one of them is actually
working on the review of something really really exciting
that's me and you're not working on anything exciting
are you someone finally said it
you get you get all the like monitors and stuff i got good stuff
i like like what i like working on the bixby thing
yes okay yes actually that is going to be a good topic for later we're going to
be talking about um Linus showcase tips which is not the
internal code word for it but is definitely what we're going to be calling it externally you made me delete
that i did i made you delete i made you delete the internal code word lest it
lest it leak from our from our facility here um and james can talk about sort of
what he's working on i can talk about what all that's gonna mean uh we also
have some updates on legitimately exciting products or at least rumors on
them including Intel's upcoming z370 chipset and
coffee lake cpus and in other news
okay you do one let's see if you can do it right this time AMD is killing crossfire done single
card only from now on not true that's not the news it's not
true that's not the news it's not the news excuse me look when luke and i get
this crap wrong the excuse is that we haven't actually looked at the document
yet you worked on it it's a joke it's called
the joke they're still gonna have multi GPU they're just not calling across you've
seen the comments on our writing lately our writers shouldn't be making jokes i
didn't see the comments oh you know it's funny though too because
a lot of the time you guys actually get crap for stuff that i added to your
scripts after the fact oh you're the worst
that's really a drill
everyone says luke looks weird but it's weird because you're not luke
not yet not yet
not yet what the hell does that even mean like
it's one thing if designer babies man crisper designer babies
i could get into that all right as someone who has a baby yeah
like if i could like make my children slightly better
wouldn't i you're you're lucky your kids are likely to not
ever watch this yeah it's it is the odds of them watching this episode of the wan
show are pretty low then again i mean i i i don't really um maybe this is the
wrong place to talk about this but i don't really get why people watch the
lan show have did you ever watch the lan show before you worked here yeah a little bit
really okay why did you watch the WAN Show
well good question i was scrolling through the list of LTT uploads and i
accidentally and then and then i suffered from partial
paralysis for 30 minutes honestly i watched it for luke so it's just gone to
[ __ ] now
yeah you and everyone else all right so why don't we jump into our first topic
today um you know what
i'm sure this one has got everybody wondering what the hell it is we're
talking about this was posted on the forum by syntax vgm and the original
article here is from pc world
and naturally i didn't uh check my oh i
didn't oh didn't plug in my
hd oh i'm sorry i just hit the mic oh oh bad people everyone with
headphones yeah rip rip everyone with headphones i'm sorry you guys
um there we go boom that's what it looks like so
AMD Radeon phases out
crossfire the crossfire brand that is
as multi-GPU gets more complicated
so in a nutshell what's going on here
they're just not saying crossfire anymore instead they're saying mgpu for
multi-GPU not to be confused with mobile GPU
and they're doing this for a reason related to directx
because apparently crossfire relates specifically to dx11
applications do you know about that yeah so i can can you drop this on us okay so
first of all crossfire uh the branding has always been confusing AMD has used
the crossfire brand for everything from
ancient x-800 class cards with like these weird
master slave dvi dongle nonsense things
hooked up to them all the way to um
no master slave relationship two three
or even four cards running in tandem with these bridges connected to them
it's more progressive and then and then they added an x
for like you know it's the usual thing x for
extreme x for that x factor x4 cross
fire again more crosses
you don't like this you know what try this you know what i don't even i don't even i don't even need i don't even need
all the comments about how i should get rid of you and bring back luke i want to
get look trust me we all want luke to be we all want luke to be here okay j james
more than anyone because he gets to be in the same building as luke when luke
is here doing the show oh um but one in 20 of those comments say
i'm okay thank you and there's still a chance and
if my doctor got five percent on his exam
well gee i wouldn't be here to tell you about what if my doctor got five percent
on his exam discount luke discount luke Yvonne's
pregnant again um okay so
wow that would be complicated um okay so basically they've branded a bunch of
different things a bunch of different ways crossfire has even been used to
describe running a craptastic
AMD add-in card with the onboard graphics on your
motherboard to make it slightly less
craptastic and it never made any sense
it was always stupid but not that's not to say that all crossfire was always
stupid that particular one was always stupid but this branding has always been
really confusing so now
they're getting rid of the crossfire brand and if you want my honest opinion
um i think it's just because they don't want to take responsibility for it when
it just doesn't work but what does it have to do with apis okay so what it has
to do with apis is that directx 12 and vulkan are going
to support multi-GPU rendering in a different way
than previous apis so with directx's 9
to 11 the way that sli and crossfire
worked was via proprietary means enabled
through the graphics card manufacturer so the game engine
did have to support it but it didn't actually have to be explicitly coded in
by the game developer so you could actually take a game let's
say it used the unreal engine for example you could take some random game
by some indie developer using the unreal engine and even if you had two cards and
you got no performance benefit from sli or crossfire whatsoever no scaling no
scaling at all what you could do is a lot of the time you could go into your
NVIDIA control panel you could manually enable some form of multi GPU rendering
rendering rendering be it alternate frame rendering or
i mean that's the most that's the most common one um
and you could apply it or you could apply a profile from a similar game also
using the unreal engine and boom you would have sli or crossfire scaling
it a lot of the time it would actually work okay to the extent that it worked
when it comes to directx 12 that's just not a thing so the way that
it's meant to be implemented with directx 12 in particular is by the game
developer so they are supposed to actually code into the game how it would
utilize multiple gpus in theory this
would actually give you the flexibility to mix and match graphics cards
in practice i
personally think that this is basically the end
of multi-GPU outside of a very small number of of niche games
where the developer bothers to code it in
because that's how it is that's how it is right now there's only
ash is a singularity tomb raider there's only a handful does tomb raider even
scale well with mgpu i don't even know well it does better on directx 12 than
11. okay well there's only a few that do that so
so so pretty much there'll be those games that are as much benchmarks as
they are games where they actually put all of this support into it because what
they're trying to do is get like tech publications to use their game
as a benchmark which is basically free advertising for the game so as far as i
can tell a lot of game developers have finally clued in to the idea that
putting a baked in benchmark in the game is pretty much getting marketing for a
small investment in development time not to mention that it's just convenient for
the user no kidding um doom is the only newish game that we're featuring at all
in all of our videos we're still showing deus ex in 2014. yep so
so basically that's what i think i think AMD is changing the branding because
they just don't want to be associated with it not
working and but is mgpu really even new branding
or multi gp um it seems just more like the name for it
well that's exactly it is they're they're almost they're almost de-branding it
speaking of d brand this episode is brought to you by no actually
um so it's almost like they're just removing all their branding from it so
that they have to take no responsibility whatsoever when the experience sucks because game
developers don't bother because even now with the relatively
and to be clear i'm not saying that it's not a lot of work to like make a game or
whatever even with the relatively small amount of work that a developer has to
put in in order to have sli or crossfire work
properly a lot of games it's like really broken
so asking them to go several steps further and code it right
into the game yeah we'll see
i think you're right it's just gonna be over if everyone's not doing it there's no
when would you ever make that investment since it's the same cost as upgrading
your card you need me for two minutes
oh wow apparently you're on your own for two minutes oh again uh why don't you
talk about uh oh microsoft officially kills off
no you don't want to talk about microsoft killing this is your baby i'm
talking about wechat and the chinese government we chat in the chinese
government don't get political no no i don't need to get political you put this
in you we have the we have the best non-political podcast the best i called
up my friends they told me we had that's huge it was the best terrific the best
the greatest tremendous huge political content
earlier this week wechat confirmed wechat is a giant app
in the in china it's like whatsapp a bit but it's more of a super app
you can buy stuff on it i think it has mapping and a marketplace and stuff like
that huge in china wechat this week confirmed
what everyone was already thinking and that is that it actually sends a lot of
its users personal data right to the ruling regime the chinese government
so reading from the page here which i didn't do last week to awful effect
wechat has over 662 million users
and in a recent privacy statement confirmed that virtually all of the
private user information will be disclosed to the chinese authorities
this became known during a recent update to the app users were required to accept
the update or to accept the privacy policy in order to get the update and in
that policy it basically says all your bases are belong
to us now there's a couple of scary parts to this hey max you sit down yeah
get in here okay i'm back no we don't want you you know what this is
the post line of scenario let's just get rid of james okay let's see okay no
we're still don't do this to me no no we're not gonna do it yet we're not gonna do it how dare you we're gonna
straw pull it we're gonna straw pull it i didn't agree with the comments last
week that said Linus was a harsh mean boss but i'm on your side now
james you're max okay so it's uh
i'm out of here
um you're lucky it's not 5 45.
uh okay um
okay let's go ahead and create this poll here
okay let me just say one thing i'm dropping this dropping this in twitch
chat dropping this twitch show okay guys guys hold on you gotta you guys gotta
you guys gotta hit the uh the straw pool for me here okay let's drop pull straw
pull okay i can't believe he was a real girl
talk about the wechat thing
so flaccid
here's the weird thing about this beijing aka the chinese government has
announced that their regulations will mandate that wechat users will be liable
and prosecuted for any information posted in the group
that the government considers objectionable i.e if you send a message to your buddy
about some something the government does not agree with oh
and that gets read by the authorities you can just go to jail
that's pretty dope hey have you heard about tiananmen square i just like
stumbled apost across this website that i shouldn't have been on and learned
about it the authorities find that out you're just
black helicopters going to jail i mean
theoretically it could happen it's a little tin foil hattie but is it we're
not guaranteeing that it would happen but uh i i think that to say
that this is anything other than deeply disturbing would be um
would be objectively incorrect it may not happen but if the language is vague
then it could happen and that's what's scary yep
all right so let's go ahead and have a look at the results here no so let's uh
screen share wow 76 max 24 Linus so james gets zero votes
with zero votes whatsoever zero percent
you done goof can you believe james got zero percent of the vote how much of a
percent does it count for one vote you voted james you are clearly full of
crap because there is no james option on the poll
which i did on purpose it's all james okay okay max come on in you're doing a
topic yes i know so many things about topics 75 75 of the audience wants max to come
in okay let's see do you want do you wanna no no no you're
out you're up okay so max do you want do you want like a softball topic or do you
want like a uh no i don't mean literally softball
because i don't know anything about sports either okay no i mean like i meant like an easy topic not actually
like you know i do you know that kind of thing uh or do you
want like a hardcore tech topic oh nope
nope you really don't okay you want a softball yes okay uh how about um
let's see razer confirms development of a
gamer-oriented mobile device so what he said
okay hold on hold on okay what about like the amazon echo okay
i literally d how does this format work
okay um usb group announced us announces
usb 3.2 where are you seeing all of this okay so
okay so she's more of a camera person uh here why don't we go with um let's go
with polaroid's new camera okay okay let's talk about polaroid's new
camera it's not actually on the dock but we can we can discuss this okay okay the
original article here is from the verge the first polaroid instinct camera in a
decade is according to the verge adorable
this is it this is the polaroid camera can you
imagine in this day and age spending a hundred dollars on a polaroid camera
bearing in mind that we're not talking it looks like a polaroid camera by the
way you should come a little closer do i smell that though no i'm just like you're just you're out of the frame uh
she's a camera person but the frame concept she's still working behind the
camera yeah i i know it's confusing isn't it yeah okay so bearing in mind it
doesn't just look like a polaroid camera like an adorable digital camera this is
actually a polaroid camera the eye type film packets are 16 per
pack for eight color or black and white
exposures that's rough
does this have a place in 2017 okay well
film is huge now like i have a film camera it costs 16
for you to develop and get digital prints like emailed to you or whatever
why would you do that okay i'm glad we are talking about this what the hell
uh yeah i don't know it's just like it's a look you know what i mean like it has
like a specific like feel to it and there's like
it's just it's just a thing it's just a thing that you do
so it's like an artsy artsy nerd thing i get
i guess yeah okay okay so then but what about the polaroid camera that's really
expensive sixteen dollars two dollars a photo
uh yeah and that's probably us dollars so we're
talking like two dollars and thirty canadian rupees
that's too much 240 2.4 canadian rupees whatever it works out to yeah no see
that's like okay but what about the okay because if
we're going to talk about taking a picture with a specific type of camera
just to get like a a a filmic aesthetic
that like all the cool kids are doing don't you think all the cool kids could
get into polaroid cameras instant we instant cameras have been around like
literally always we have those little cute ones you know the little like color
pastel ones and they come out with like the tiny you know i hate you young
people instant cameras have been around literally always
do you know how much that hurts i'm sorry i mean like
literally always for like a really long time
since i was born anyway brandon and i actually like went half seas on this
polaroid printer that he's gonna go get
okay all right okay tell me about it okay so you have like this app on your
phone and you can choose any photo from this app
unbox therapy did it and uh thanks vanna yeah thank you
uh yeah carry on so yeah you basically like connect us to your phone via
bluetooth okay and then you choose any photo you want on your phone
and then you like you can even like add filters like they're little things that
you can do you can print straight from your instagram on that thing
and it's incredible and it has like it's those little ones it's like the half size ones yeah so you called it polaroid
but it's actually made by fujifilm
gotta go okay so so basically how much does this
cost is this it's just an inkjet printer or like is it 150
200. so 200 bucks and then how much are the refills 10 bucks
10 for 12. 10 for it's like yeah
and is that canadian rupees or is that okay so so about eight dollars u.s for
what 10 or 12 exposures whatever it is so okay so as long as you're going to
print more than 120 pictures this is a
better value yeah plus you get to choose which one you want to like print so you
can take like a million selfies on your phone right and then you pick the right
one and you print it out and you're like oh i casually first try but nobody has to you know you
can add filters and whatever like i said so so if i'm to understand the sort of
the the artsy person perspective on this the problem with the polaroid camera is
that you might frame your selfie wrong and that's the advantage of this
it's just like i don't know i think it's better it's definitely more portable as well then like you know
like when is vhs coming back never are you sure
like how sure are you that vhs is not because because if if we need little
mini photo printers like this and if polaroid is releasing a new instant film
camera but like that's you can decorate with that and it's like
physical memories that you can give to your friends you're not going to give your friend a vhs
tape because then they need a vhs player
you know this is just tiny little it's like the player is your
eyeballs right yeah i've had enough of your crap Colton you know what a vhs is
all right oh i dropped your uh printer thing that you went half season um okay
all right well thank you max that was fun and uh basically no polaroid camera
no right no well you're thinking about it now
it's growing on you i i knew it i knew this was going to happen they have ones
that you can get at like nordstrom can i say that something yeah sure driver that
you can like buy that they're like uh refurbished they're about 150 us
and those are like legitimate if you're really gonna go hipster you shouldn't buy like the new old because it looks
like a toy if you're gonna get a polaroid camera so
you don't so the issue is not the polaroid camera it looks kind of silly
the issue is the look of the camera
yeah that too because if you want to do it you gotta look cool and it genuinely
does look like like one of those fake ones that you would give to a three-year-old yeah oh yeah sure take
photos see this this is why this is why i don't
get it a lot of the time i get all wrapped up in like specs and
megapixels and like camera launch time
and and i ignore things like well this
trendy retro camera is sort of real retro and this trendy retro
camera is like not real retro so
cool yeah did you just destroy me i don't i think
we're both destroyed at this point thank you max james you can come back
Linus doesn't get it confirmed says twitch chat perfect
that's what i need on my friday thanks max you're welcome
not to out hipster max but i don't think you can buy a hipster camera at
nordstrom a corporate chain you need to go to a vintage store to be a real
hipster she doesn't live in vancouver she lives
who cares
oh go lordy okay all right let's move on to our next topic um what did you want
to talk about oh you wanted to talk about microsoft officially killing off
skype for business okay the original article here is from
the verge i know you were really passionate about
this topic james microsoft teams is replacing skype for
business to put more pressure on competitor slack all right fill us in
i know this this one was really dear to your heart can't even find it do you
have you used teams question number one no i haven't used
teams okay our office is not moving to teams i
don't think no it's not okay
do you have a burning hatred for skype for business i do i do yes i do
why is that okay so the problem with skype for business
is that it's not actually skype is that okay yes there's that one it is for
business so they have that going for them are we
a business we are a business but we are a business that actually has
office 365 subscriptions for all of its members
but the office 365 doesn't include skype
for business unless you get the stupid premium one so skype for business was
kind of like the social network
that requires everyone else to be on the same social
network except it was expensive
and it had no benefit as far as i could tell
over other options
apparently teams is giving slack some sweat
yeah slack is they're actually giving them sweat i
don't think they're really sweating and then they're going over to the the slack
office and they're like here's our sweat that is disgusting you are disgusting
okay so i think that slack basically had all the market share
and when i say that they're sweating i don't mean that like it's 50 50. now
that microsoft teams exists because like let's be honest
but it's enough and they're getting some cool new features so the ability to hold calls
the ability to transfer calls they're getting voicemail which is like
it's like it's like when are we gonna do away with voicemail and go back to
little analog tapes that fit in your answering machine when will my apple
watch be a watch um and audio conferencing
so i don't think i've never used slack that way maybe the
group checking does does slack have voice calling or i've only ever used the
chatting and there's there's bots to my knowledge slack doesn't have voice
calling so this is sounds like it's like skype plus slack so if they outstrip
slack in lots of ways they claimed at their unveil to have 125
000 businesses using teams like in the first six months of rollout
okay so no they apparently um apparently you can make calls and slacks so i know
luke uses slack i actually i wish
far more than i already did that luke was here because luke actually has
extensive experience with slack um and he has been using it with the float
plane team for quite some time but um
yeah there you go you can make calls and pretty much the problem with skype for
business aside from just not really having a compelling value ad
and not being intercompatible with skype that's the biggest thing like the fact
that you had to go and install skype for business on your computer then the the
login didn't cross over either and how confusing is that when they share the
same name if you've never used or heard of skype for business before and someone
says they're gonna call you on it yeah you the time for the meeting arrives you log
into your skype and you're like where are they that literally happened here
that literally has happened to me quite a few times because
using skype for business would only ever come up if the other business
happened to be like stuck on skype for business
like everyone else just uses something
that you can call into like uh what's um
what's their like go-to meeting or whatever yeah where you can just call in
with a landline or you can call in with whatever but skype for
business to do that so yeah so teams is looking like so it's
actually using the same back end as skype for business um but it's going to
be losing the skype branding and it's gonna be getting some some fun new features so skype for business is gonna
be around for the next one year yeah october 2018 and it's going to be
interoperable with teams throughout that period
so that's kind of nice for like the 10 people who use skype for business
what the heck are people talking about oh everyone wants max back by the way of
course um he's better looking than me stream for youtube is down stream for
youtube is down
what i'm so confused
i am so very confused right now you know you twitch chat people
you guys are adorable all right let's talk about something james really wants
to talk about the snes mini so this was originally posted overall by
wm groom ak on the forum and the original article is from overclock3d.net
it looks like nintendo's snes mini
may actually use the same hardware as
the nest mini the exact same so we might be just getting a new shell
some new game roms and actually the same
hardware check out this picture
like wow people are upset
so why are they upset two reasons
okay number one everything here makes sense from
nintendo's perspective yes but just doesn't make sense according to the laws
of the universe the nes the snes no the nest mini
classic like the last one got cancelled
now we know that that didn't actually have to happen because they obviously are they're still making the same parts
on the same fabs they didn't have to make it an exclusive limited time only
thing but they did they just hate money as far as i can tell no this makes you
more money it's like why doesn't mcdonald's have the rib which all the time no it doesn't make you more money
it has influxes of demand when it comes out well yeah but that assumes that they're
gonna re-release the nest mini i think it says that they will
it may not be in the notes but i think like next summer they're going to do
that again
the second reason is that they could have made the super nests all the time
the whole time they had the hardware requisite to make the superintendent and
only now they're giving it to us okay so a thing we wanted for all the
time we could have had and the thing we still want now we can't have any more but nintendo has the power and we're
like they're prisoners okay so i'm gonna okay i'm gonna play devil's advocate a
little bit here what was your first argument again i don't remember i wasn't really paying
attention they cancelled production uh yes they so they stopped production of
the nes minion so i i uh okay yeah i really don't have a
justification for that one okay as for the snes mini not being released right
away that makes a ton of sense because from a marketing perspective you want to
you want it yeah you want to have products to roll out you want people to
have something to spend their disposable income on this month and then if you
release you're basically fighting yourself don't make them choose yeah don't make them
choose you know wait till they've gotten a few more paychecks and then release
something else the other side of that argument that i'm going to devil's advocate a little bit
here is that while obviously
nintendo didn't run out and like develop a bunch of new games for this nest mini
because that would be besides the point
um it's not like there wasn't going to be some development they had to do
because this is now this is not a janky
rom running on zed snazz on your old laptop
that doesn't even have a modem in it so
literally copying like roms over on that 16 meg thumb
drive that one of your friends in high school gave you because he's a super cool dude and he like you know went back
to china before we had usb thumb drives here in north america
um well because uh uh anyway the point is you know this
this is not some you know and oh right so then you have to use your usb drive
on your desktop to copy your roms over to this laptop and then you take the
laptop around with you but it actually doesn't really have like a working battery anymore so you have to be
plugged in you know totally hypothetical story um so it's
gonna work good it's supposed to work properly so they actually do need to
spend some time presumably doing some testing
making sure everything is smooth now
to be clear it's not like you know ness or snes emulators running
on you know armed cpus is anything new
at all but there's just some validation to be done before they can actually
release a product like this they've gotta create box art which you know you might
not think about as a consumer in terms of
like whatever it's it's box art who cares you
throw some art on a box like what's wrong with you but you actually have to
factor in okay you know which company is producing it what colors and
what can they put the the nintendo seal
foil on it can they do this can they do that when can when can they meet the
order when can they print them when will that be delivered to the factory to be
packaged to like there's a lot and if you're a business entity with limited
resources and you're just going to take this workload and spread it out over
time so the way to do that is have the old one and then the next one not to
mention that there's things like fcc validation that you or ul certification
that you have to go through for any electronic device and you're gonna
you're just gonna kill yourself trying to do everything all at once and then like
so try to like design all the hardware all at once and then try to build all
those software well they did do all the harder ones okay yes that they did and
then try to build all the software and all the ui crap and do all the
validation at once and then they're marketing deal with all the submissions
for like regulatory approval all at once then do all the marketing all at once no
it's stupid so they're working on
a little tiny n64 i hope so
and the 24 would be pretty cool
although snes is as the as sort of the
console of my childhood actually that is my favorite concept but there are other
childhoods that came after yours yeah but i don't care about those
so my my nostalgia has been totally
taken care of at this point follow-up question if they did a re-release of a
little n64 which means they're manufacturing new controllers do you
think they would still have the joystick that had this string
that got loose you know the n64 controller joystick got loose
over time and it sucked or do you think that they would modernize that in
that implementation and if they did would it change how you
played those old games
you know what i don't know if nintendo would admit
they ever did it wrong
and if they did it differently wouldn't it kill the nostalgia
like i okay so this is really going to be polarizing this is almost drawable
okay let's let's hit this i think this is going to be divisive
like if you're going to nostalgia out on n64 do you want to go to your buddy's
house and he gives you the crappier controller that's loose and you're like oh
or do you want to be on even playing field like you should have been in
all the time okay so i'm creating the poll
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so tell me something jay bring it on tell me something james
on a scale of one two um
you know got blackout drunk at prom and woke up
next to not just a an undesirable but an entire team of
them that didn't exist in high school i would have taken any port in a storm
how how how
how much regret do you have for eating that enormous
piece of i think it was the uh the was it the
ghost pepper or the reaper
i just thought it was the hottest one and the answer to either one is no
regrets no regrets it's a sponsor and people are supposed to buy this stuff
because you were you were relatively okay at the here you can have something
all right you're okay at the time no you don't want any
oh that's right you're vegetarian aren't you mostly mostly all right all right
all right so um i'm going for the team some my wife's
dad's a hunter he shoots moose i eat them that's good
he doesn't make jerky though you did the ghost pepper yeah why not is
that the hottest one or is that the reaper it's the second hottest one
it's got quite a kick though the problem though was not eating it
the problem was that enormous peace that you ate at one time because i got a text
message from this guy hours later i think it might even the next morning
actually that savage jerky though
yeah it was actually the way it sat in my stomach
i felt pretty bad until i put a bunch of food in there after leaving
so savage jerky it's
savage it's spicy it's like
real deal like you were like yeah i can handle spicy was that spicy it was spicy
it was the spiciest jerky i've ever had it's made with the great ingredients
without nitrates or preservatives the goal was to create a snack that was full
of flavor full of flavor is spicy flavor
you can't taste it when it's that spicy but okay one of these days i rest
assured the other flavors are tasty a lot of them are really tasty the uh the
maple bacon is really good um
the uh oh man the uh what's the green one
whatever the green one is i highly recommend the green one um
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now let's go back to our straw pool i am
really interested to see these results i'm betting on don't fix it
fix it wow sweet
okay so you're with them right yeah i think if they refresh it they
should just use the same joystick mechanism using
like a gamecube controller for example interesting even though
you know if you're firing up some perfect dark or whatever
it might be a slightly different experience
i would hope i have never like side by side a b test
of this but i would hope that a fresh 64 controller the feel of that joystick is
similar to like a normal playstation or gamecube or xbox controller's joystick
so do you think that's pretty loose from the beginning no when you got a new
snappy one it was like yes when you got like get one for your
birthday or something like that but how they degraded so poorly over time it
was sometimes unplayable and if you're player four you always got that one and
then you have to buy another one and like if they could just avoid that whole thing again that'd be great james tell
me something tell me about your childhood
were you player four do you look if you don't want to talk
about it buddy it's okay but but were you player four
sometimes
i had two friends who are exceptionally good gamers and uh i got slayed every single time at
smash bros and goldeneye but i was good
at perfect dark okay so that
that's a big load of bull crap oh someone mixed them up again
was i not not actually hmm that's a really
tasty one actually now i don't even know what i'm eating though dang it
they're all good so my friend you know what
i'm gonna use his name because he's a dick um
and he deserves it so my friend tyson in high school
this guy would have me over to his house the guy had a playstation one
playstation two oh yeah right that's the camping battle
station's house okay so guys got a playstation one gotta
play station i was living with my mom
we didn't own a game console at all
computer yes game console no um don't you have like six brothers and sisters
yeah and you shared one pc yes i was the nerd though like no one
else really wanted to use it that much until my until my little sister discovered habbo hotel you guys wouldn't
like this i love to have a hotel for a time terrible anyway
so i um so i go over to his house all the time
he's got playstations i got no console at all
this guy he sits and plays tekken
like all the time and like what was that um what was that
uh car game that a twisted metal twist
tekken okay so he plays these games all the time
i show up i'm clearly already at a disadvantage because i i barely play
them i only play when i'm over at his house and like with him so he clearly
has my if my experience is x he clearly
has x plus y yeah he's a big nerd so i'm pretty sure
his y is quite large um and he gives me
not just a worn out controller he gives
me this like total [ __ ] mode
like third party controller uh like a madcatz or something with an ant no not
even a mad cat no not even dollar store like the brand broke dick doesn't exist
okay not only that but it has the analog stick broken off so what do you mean
broken so one of the analog sticks is a stump
and the entire thing is like the least like it's like this wide and my hands
like even now my hands couldn't fit on it you're talking about ps1
where analog was optional the default control didn't have sticks i don't
remember yeah it must be because twisted middle must be ps2 then
the point is he makes me use this [ __ ] controller because he doesn't want to
invest in another playstation controller which i get he's a child he should give
me the good one and he was not a child he was like 13.
did he have a paper route
no but he should give me the good controller all right but he can't invest
investing when your kid is like my birthday is here
he should still give me the better controller i'm a guest in his house
and i suck at the game he should play with the crappy control that's an adult
perspective as a kid you're basically a little animal
well and it's way of the road but yeah
get nerfed do you think when you played uh bond
goldeneye when you choose your characters obviously you have an advantage if your odd job because he's
really small and people have to crouch to hit him or aim down and aiming down sucked because they only had one
joystick do you think other than odd job that the
characters that you chose in goldeneye were actually balanced or that bond had
just a slight edge bond had a one more health bar it was a
little faster do you think bond was different only one of my friends had
golden eye um getting better friends man yeah i
know one of my friends had goldeneye and i didn't go over to his house very much
and as you know i didn't own any consoles during that time straw poll so
um well no i actually am straw pulling a far more important question should the
guest get the better controller this is far more important not if you want to
win if you're the host no of course you're going to win anyway you play
like i went through this with luke when um mario kart launched for the wii u
and we played it together like once like pretty early on i think and then
the guy's like playing it constantly and he goes and he pulls this whole telling
himself that he's unlocking all the characters and everyone should be
grateful but then you can't play with him because he's one of those hopeless
people that plays like party games by themselves so they can kick everybody's
butt at the party that's not fun that's not a party
the best party gaming experience
the best party gaming experience has come when nobody is good at the game
when everybody's playing some crap game that nobody ever heard i once won a
mario party mario party competition at a real party and it was the mario party
game where you have to shake the pop did you get invited to real time as much
you gotta shake the most like this it's funny he called it a real party that's
sad it was a real party because it was hosted by girls it was a real party it
was real this is why it was real it was in college one it was in residence no
parents it was hosted by women and because at the end of the tournament
it was me against the girl and i won the whole time throughout the tournament i
was using my right hand i'm left-handed took her out special weapon
so you princess brightened her boom if
she if she beat all the guys at that do you not get the reference i've seen the
movie no no no no no this is how you feel when
i do wayne's world references no you do this every friday you can't have
seen the princess bride
the princess bride is a fundamental cornerstone of our culture
you okay you're three or four years older than me
i don't remember yeah when you get older your memory
starts to that's the difference
all right you know what why don't we just do a tech topic because i've had enough of your bull crap can we do
amazon they surprised everyone this week six new hardware products out of nowhere
who cares it's just more like digital
assistance it's because you're in canada and you can't use them no you don't care
right we should so are you we should have someone in the states who
just has this stuff and just just reviews amazon corresponding
all right so the original article here is from techcrunch
um so there's there's more echo hardware
there's more echo hardware echo hardware echo hardware
uh the new echo is a refresher the original it's smaller it's a hundred dollars it's got a cloth covered body it
has a dedicated woofer and tweeter but this is okay aside from the products
that they introduced it's so interesting in the in their business model and the
way that amazon works which is completely different to how any other
hardware manufacturer works there's not six google homes there will
be another one next week but you know what i mean
they just launched six there's like one with a screen one without a screen this big one a tall one there's there's so
many and they're all dirt cheap why do they do that how do they do that why
doesn't anyone else do that
i know why they do that go ahead let me tell you
it's because amazon has so many different parts to their business all
these parts are interconnected and actually create a positive feedback loop
with each other so they can sell these hardware products dirt cheap because the
point isn't to make all their revenue from selling these hardware products
their point is to get people using amazon echo to order things on prime to
spend more money in their core business which is selling stuff on amazon.com i'm
not actually convinced that their core business is selling stuff on amazon.com
aren't they still losing money on that like with prime
i only have to order like two things here in canada to just like
wreck amazon on prime but you're an outlier because amazon's
data shows that prime customers on average spend twelve hundred dollars a
year 1200 a year yeah but that doesn't
change that that prime customer could be
like they could be losing a ton of money on that prime membership on just 1200 of
orders like you order a couple computer cases and they're like they're done like
they're done for what they're charging for prime um
i mean i think honestly i think they're core business from the shipping cost
data you're getting free shipping aws is a huge part of the business i think it's
like a third of it now and they have all the market share in that space and not
just aws but just knowing what people are buying
understanding the consumer because right now like amazon is like
it's like the silicon valley startup which they are of course but like the
silicon valley startup like on steroids well they're the one that made it
through the dot-com bubble yeah where they just they just never actually exit
startup mode oh yeah they just keep making their business like worth
more and more and more and it doesn't actually matter how much money they make
because it's sort of irrelevant and then once they've just crowded out everybody
else then they just
crank all the prices and they're like yep how's that
come at me i know it will it might i mean right now they're still in startup
mode so they go and acquire whole foods and i slash all the prices
but it benefits consumers for now for now
for the time yeah until like
when amazon merges with costco then we're all done for it um
that'll be the that'll actually be the end the end of time
you know the end times whatever it's called the dark times into something
down the reckoning so there's a new echo there's an echo plus
which is the same as the original but now it's a smart home hub it's beefed up
how many people have smart home crap well that's the thing so what amazon
does is they they put a little fishing line out that
was the echo they see how well it does and then if it makes money or there's
interest or a market's developing they just hammer it and that's what they're
doing now with these race to the bottom priced
like deluge of products there's six of them they're beating apple and google to
the punch here at the at the google event which we're gonna cover next
wednesday morning i think google is planning on
we know they're announcing a small google home but there's speculation that
they are also going to release one with a screen on it that can make
video calls and watch netflix which is a direct response to the echo show
so this is a hardware tech space
other than ebooks i guess our e-readers where amazon actually has a lead over
like the biggest players so they're trying to grab market share it's a land
grab yeah so pricing wise everything from 99 to
130 for the echo spot which is kind of like a crossover
between the dot and the show smart alarm clock that can make video
calls i mean basically yeah so the idea is they want these things all over your
house echo button is 20 bucks a pair hockey puck sized
pairs with the echo and it's like an interplay for like trivia games
yeah so you can interact with it it's 10 bucks
i just i really do think i'm losing touch like i'm getting old-fashioned
check out the echo spot though or which one of these
there's one that has a speaker on it that's oh it's the fire tv now i can't
believe that being willing to take your phone out of your pocket to look
something up is old-fashioned now don't you want to be able to use it when
you're cooking and your hands are wet
my phone's waterproof get on my level but you can't swipe
it's called an apron
apron i can picture you in or a tea towel who
cares oh it's so annoying because bixby as you'll see in our upcoming video you
can control the actual interface like bixby swipe left how sweet is it just
have your recipe up there your chocolate stuff bixby scroll down you can see the
next part of the recipe awesome hey siri
oh for crying out loud see this this is why
this is this is the problem with all this stuff none of it works the way you
expect okay here's something you like a little
you like you have an opinion on this right the fire siri apologized
i don't need friends who apologize they got a new fire t 4k it's 70.
that's a hundred dollars less than the apple tv 4k wow get rekt apple 100 less
it's the same price as a chromecast 4k okay
all right i just i have such a hard time caring
about that um speaking of things i have a hard time caring about
um numlock21 posted this on the forum the original article is from guru 3d you
don't care about this is this is exactly the kind of thing that gets your blood
russian actually no what am i supposed to do with 20 gigabit
usb stuff fast
yeah like what do stuff fast
what what stuff am i doing taking stuff off of external stuff
putting out other stuff why would i be doing that you're a camera person i have
a nas you're a camera person okay
what am i okay okay okay okay in the
future so can we just introduce this this is
pretty cool so basically it's an update to the usb 3 spec
that will allow what would be a 5 gigabit line to carry
10 gigabit per second and what would be 10 to carry up to 20. so it is a
doubling of the bandwidth this will be done by adding two lane
operation over existing usbc cables so
provided the cables have been certified for 10 gigabit per second super speed
usb then this will work however both the
host and the client need to be compatible with the new standard so theoretically
20 gigabit per second we're talking like 2500 megabytes per second so let's say
hypothetically that some you know camera
manufacturer that thinks they're just way too good to charge reasonable prices
for their gear were to actually release recording media that is actually faster
than just an off-the-shelf mcada SSD
let's say that they were recording to NVMe ssds
if i had a reader that could read at you
know 2
20 gigabit then i guess if i also had a 20 gigabit
you know network then i could copy over to that
if i had a a Thunderbolt
what am i doing with this why do you care so much about
Thunderbolt that you don't care about this well Thunderbolt's cool because it's
daisy chainable it carries displayport
which okay usbc displayport as well but it can okay but
it can carry displayport and data at the same time
it's a pci express connection wait are you saying that usbc you can't do data
and displayport at the same time not that i'm aware of
okay um
okay the other the other thing about Thunderbolt is that because it is
essentially pci express over a wire
without like janky adapters you can
actually run basically internal cards
so if you wanted to have a usb graphics card for example you need some like
craptastic you know usb
3d accelerator with the freaking 2d crap
on it is complicated they're over a hundred dollars if you wanted a
Thunderbolt graphics card you could just use a real graphics card and you don't
have to go and spend 600 on a razer core or 500 or whatever it is you can get
something like that beast thing from banggood we got one we never got it
working but that's a whole other issue the point is that there's the potential for it
daisy chainable pci express regardless of the actual rated speeds of either of
them is cooler that's cooler but let's back this up a bit obviously you can't
be mad that this is getting faster no and that it uses the same cord
i just jumped for some of the cool i don't have a single thing that benefits from 10 gigabit usb let alone 20. we we
all want the technology to move forward but here here's a couple questions first
question when are we going to expect these things to any devices like this to actually hit
the market well i don't care you don't even see gen 2 really yet i think uh
barely does the z270 chipset i think
i think z270 finally got usb 3.1 gen 2.
no i don't think it has it i think AMD's chipsets have it yeah 3.99
does yeah i think that's um that that's the next gen until feature so we're
probably like maybe they'll leapfrog it no two three
years away but we'll see second question i could be
wrong is the clarification you said when you introduced this topic that it will
double the speed of either your five gigabit cable or your 10
gigabit cable so it means you'll be able to use the same i thought it was only for only the
10 gigabit cables could do it um so no it's basically they're just
they're they're doubling up on what could be carried by the existing cables
so right now you can and that i mean the cable certifications are like
uh you know you can get a 5 gigabit cable and the chances of it doing 10
gigabit are probably pretty good if it was a good cable in the first place so i
don't stress too much about that stuff
how about this what else we got iphone 8 swollen
battery have you seen this have you heard about this i have hardwarezone.com
the original poster on the forum was vegetable stew great name
reports of swollen batteries inside the new iphone surface online
like i know this isn't gonna matter or make a dent in anything either their
perception or their sales but i still just it's a little win i like when this
happens to apple why i don't know someone bought an expensive
thing and it broke well they're gonna be fine they're gonna get another one that's it is a drag it might take a
couple weeks for them but i think it's just you know what it
is wow it's not to anti-fanboy it's just that some people are so hardcore like i
try not to fanboy anything try to be scientific about things
when people fanboy really hard as many apple people do it's just nice to have
something to point to be like they're not perfect okay
they're not the iphones aren't mana from heaven they screw up sometimes
okay
so this happened in taiwan and japan um
after three days using the original charger apparently one of them's uh body
and screen split from the bloat
i made a half centimeter gap yeah that's how much it swelled wow
that's a lot there are unconfirmed reports coming in
that the iphone 8 plus uses the same battery manufacturer amperax
technologies limited as the samsung galaxy note 7. we're in baby burn herpa
derp now if that's true
then that looks pretty bad on apple and samsung
well no not samsung because i don't think i mean samsung has sort of fixed their
crap i don't think i've seen any reports of note 8s having any issues
razer confirmed development of a gamer oriented mobile device
the company confirmed earlier this year a 15 million dollar acquisition of all
shares of mobile startup next bit who had previously produced the next bit
robin's smartphone and they canceled it when they bought them
okay found it in singapore blah blah blah et cetera wow they really did
there's not much to say about it so i want to speculate though sure what does
it mean to make a gamer's phone
other than black with green accents definitely that's a given probably
really boxy and lots of like angles on it but aside from that
um high refresh rate screen i would love to see a high refresh rate
screen but given that that's a bare minimum given that razer still doesn't
have a high refresh rate screen on the latest blade i wouldn't get my hopes up
if an ipad pro exists already and that review is still coming by the way if an
ipad pro exists for a year before this
gamer phone comes out and one of the things gamers care about is
high refresh rate screens if if that already exists and
then this phone comes out and doesn't have that lights out i don't think a lot of gamers
know that they care about high refresh rate screens
to be perfectly honest with like our audience i think is more educated when
it comes to that console gamers
console gamers yeah console gamers like i think you know what razer is
though i think they think that 60 hertz is pretty good
well if you're if everyone has the same hardware it's like
having a console the phone will be basically like a console because everyone's using the same hardware so
they could lock the frame right i just mean like nobody's necessarily demanding
this right or are they because as per another news
item in here the head of the of playstation was like yeah we're not
doing mobile gaming anymore yeah i know because smartphones
so they're still selling the vita within um
what is it japan i think is that it i think it was like japan and somewhere
um but yeah so sony's basically like yeah
nobody wants handhelds anymore we have not seen that as being a huge market
opportunity outside of japan and asia you might say what about the switch but
that's like a hybrid it's kind of like an exception i think they made market
share for themselves because well yeah because they made
market share for mobile devices because it replaced their
tv console so yeah exactly yeah you had no choice
but to buy a mobile gaming console
so if you have a phone already for gaming i kind of think that makes sense
to have a gaming phone yeah but what is it
okay so high refresh rate what else makes it gaming
maybe they'll just sacrifice like you won't care so much about camera
it'll give you more room to have bigger beefier components
but the camera doesn't take up almost any room like it's all processing driven
these days anyway and i would make the argument that if you're
gonna try and sell me a gaming phone if anything it should have a better camera
it should have a great front-facing camera so i can like stream mobile games
maybe it'll only have a front-facing camera oh lordy
maybe it'll have like a joystick people are like battery life okay
if razer came out and they were like yep it's a flagship class phone it has like
a 6 000 milliamp hour battery i'd be like okay
sure because now you can actually go and play your clash of the clans for
like five eight hours uninterrupted on a
device well it'll probably be and i'm kidding i know it's clash of clans it'll
probably be free i would i would expect it to be like double thick
because under this like gaming moniker you can get away with certain things
that people don't normally allow in a normal phone
it might be fat and have a huge battery
see there it is there it is they're like clash of the clans
oh apparently it's dead too i don't know that's the joke
um grab of cash
oh man i always know i can set these guys off with my outdated uh
and like incorrect gaming references anyway what about this uh this angle
here okay what do you got
the creation of an original mobile device also opens up the potential for
razer to invest in mobile esports a growing space
so is razer actually like trying to build products that people want to buy
and make money or are they just trying to like
pull a silicon valley and make their business worth a lot so
that they can get acquired um
don't they what are they doing with the like that
currency i don't remember but they're like
dabbling they're dabbling like everything
like they did an Android console for the living room like what happened to that thing
no idea maybe they're just trying to have like a fully integrated ecosystem i
remember they were really excited about their competitor for like NVIDIA game
stream and steam in home streaming they showed it to me back at ces like i
don't know two years ago or something like that i was like yeah this isn't very good they're like oh yeah but it'll
be like way better and then i don't think i've heard about it since
um elon musk wants to use his rockets just
to fly around earth like go from
here to london in 30 minutes
30 minutes same price as an economy airline ticket price somehow no wonder
he bailed on the hyperloop because that's like way better
not for the environment no but it's faster hell yeah it's faster
it'll shoot you into space like low earth orbit and then you'll just go
at 18 000 miles an hour i think it is like an order of magnitude faster than
anything humanity's ever done
and they're building this in this next six to nine months they're starting it
well he's crazy and it's after six and uh
tgi friday baby one comment though the question on everybody's mind if you are
gonna fly to your business trip in shanghai on this thing what kind of g's
are you pulling on the launch pad are you
like do you know what i mean i looked it up it turns out the human body can
withstand nine g's and that gravitron game at the at the
yeah like playland or whatever yeah where it sticks you to the wall and like your phone goes flying that's like two
and a half to three g's and wow yeah so that's only a third of
what your body can take like in fighter jet but there's that other gravitron there's the uh it's not called the
gravitron it's called like zendar or something the one that flips up on the side oh yeah so on that one it spins
about as fast as the gravitron i think uh because it has to keep you stuck to
the seat when you're upside down but then when you're down at the bottom
like it's it's stronger you're like shot in you're like slingshotted into the
pool yeah yeah oh yeah regardless anyway
it's apparently a typical rocket launch is like three g's so similar to the
gravitronic oh that's not too bad yeah oh you could totally do that yeah
i could do that every day maybe i'll just commute from my house in
a rocket boom boom boom indeed you would literally boom you
would go to every conference you go to computex you go to the microsoft event to see the new surface whatever yeah
half an hour for the day so yeah see you tonight
especially if it's that cheap i don't know how he's gonna make it that cheap i don't think he's gonna make it that
cheap yeah well all right well thanks for tuning in you guys see you next week
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