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I gotta be honest with you guys I didn't even look at this listing past the title

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price and the first picture all I know is it's a big penis server it's got a

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fair amount of capacity and it's a sand which is something that we've never

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really had an opportunity to touch on before I didn't think they were actually

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going to accept the offer tell me this Jake is it even possible we bought

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something useful I've got the listing here I didn't really look at it that

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much either I just saw that it was five thousand dollars and you said offer a

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thousand dollars and then he said yes here we are I mean how much of that are

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we even getting that's just a picture of a rat are we he wanted us to take the

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whole wreck shut up and I was like he

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agreed to let us not take the rack we're just taking what's inside that's good I

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don't think that rack would even fit in the truck but does that mean that they expect us to take all of that equipment

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is that all even j-box yeah what's that thing in the bottom it's four j-bods in

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the controller server the best part is it's 96 hard drives but

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they're 600 gig hard drives so the total capacity is like 60 terabytes we can

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replace this entire thing with like three hard drives now we can replace

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this entire thing with two of those keoksi ssds and it would be faster and

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it would be faster so I talked to the guy on the phone a little bit this

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company there are about 100 people so similar size is US yeah but they're

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moving from in office to work from home they took all of their server equipment

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and put it in a data center for a thousand bucks it's kind of a this is a

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steal I mean even ignoring the drives because those are basically worthless

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like how many hours do those have on them probably a lot 600 Gigabyte drives

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you said yeah anyways the disc Shelfs themselves I've

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seen go for 500 to a thousand dollars each on eBay because they're really

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useful for home lab it's like the cheap way to get a bunch of storage you buy

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one of these you put an HBA in your server and there you go one cable out to

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24 drives 24 drives yeah they didn't just sell it to us because they knew the

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channel or whatever did they no no he did say that he recognized us but it was

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after oh there's the other thing these are gonna be SAS drives

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oh that's actually kind of an inconvenience because it means that if

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we just wanted to give them away at the Christmas party people couldn't even plug them into anything

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I think they're dual controller as well yeah yeah they're SAS so this it's like

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a redundant link to the drive oh that's awesome so if one of the controllers

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goes down you're good 96 more Drive bays and that takes up what 16 years then

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yep it's one of those super micro 90 Bays basically yeah it's not the most

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space efficient but hey we just got a free rack

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MSI meet the mag z790 Tomahawk Wi-Fi

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it's got support for the latest Intel CPUs and ddr5 memory premium thermal

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control with an extended heatsink a server grade six layer PCB and even more

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features to elevate your gaming experience check out MSI z790 Tomahawk

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Wi-Fi at the link below we're shooting on iPhone

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oh and we're not even going to be able to hide it

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we have a real camera it's going to take too long to set up

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and it took a long time to get here so we're in a hurry hey how's it going hi

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oh wait did you bring money you take e-transfer right yeah okay

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wow

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ouch damn I am loving the vibe here already look at this cable management

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everyone knows it's better to have your Wi-Fi access point up high what better

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way to get it up high than two cardboard boxes

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it's almost like no one's actually been working here since the covid lockdown

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and they just had to wait out they expired their lease oh we got some pdus

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and this is it wow it came with the whole rack this is the big boy

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okay I mean

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no it was specific but all right yeah this has got to be at least 10 years old

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is that about right did you guys buy it new yes

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what was this what was this worth at least 100.

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well hey that's uh this is the definition of pennies on the dollar then

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yeah yeah yes my Hired Guns get it Hired Guns

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two tickets yes well what I'm not gonna

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do it look at this more like pea shooters how the devil are we gonna get

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this out of here oh

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yes that's a quality cart

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hand crafted or at least hand upgraded

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we've got a couple of options at this point I don't think there's any getting

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around pulling the servers out but we're not actually obligated to take away the

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rack it's only if we need another rack do we need another rack no could we use

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another rack didn't we just buy a rack

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I see should we take the rack if it's a quality rack I mean it's a NetApp rack

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it's probably good so the the bed of the truck is technically available I mean

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it's basically what we what we saw in the ad right

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as expected the drives are 600 gigabytes

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but you were wrong they are 15 000 RPM

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this is what passed for high performance storage before solid state got

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affordable enough that you could actually deploy it as a smaller medium

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business I'm trying to see if there's oh yeah June 11th 2012.

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that's 10 years ago 11 years ago yeah

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wait is that the manufacturer date on the cold spares oh

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yep these are cold spares the ones sitting here oh this one's different smart responsible people this is a 2.5

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inch one but also from 2012.

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oh September 2012. has this been on

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since then pretty much since you got it consistently so these drives probably

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have like eight or nine years of like consistent running

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I'm trying to find the date code on this one this looks a lot newer oh yeah I

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mean that's branded Seagate exos it's not even it's not even a Hitachi one

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like this uh September 2019 on this one apparently this has been losing drives

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at a rate about once a month last year and then it's been better behaved this

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year oh oh there we go there's the face of the control it's kind of cute hey

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I missed One servers had Swag Like This everything's really chaotic today so

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you're gonna see me refer to notes on my phone don't worry about it some of you are probably asking yourselves what the

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heck is a sen well anytime you've got a lot of machines be they servers

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workstations or even individual client

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stations you're going to need storage and one of the ways to do that is to put

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all the storage in those individual machines but from a hardware maintenance

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standpoint that can be really inconvenient because anytime you've got

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any sort of failure well you have to go in you have to swap that storage out not

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to mention that the provisioning of that storage can be really inconvenient maybe

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one person needs a lot maybe one person needs a little maybe now those needs

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have completely reversed now one way to work around that is to deploy a Nas and

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that's what we do back at rstudio so essentially we've got a machine that

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looks pretty much the same as this we've got a head unit that acts as a

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controller and then we've got these shelves that are full of what are called

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j-bots which are just just a bunch of this actually that's

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what jblad stands for so each of these four U's is just power and drives that's

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it there's no logic all of that is handled by this guy the difference then

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is how the storage gets accessed our Nas

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is at the office like most that operate in a Windows client environment use SMB

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as their Network file transfer protocol and SMB and nasas in general are great

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you could think of a Nas as kind of like a hard drive that 10 or 20 or 50

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different people can all plug into at once and read from and write to

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according to their user permissions at the same time even reading the same

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files at once but it comes with some

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downsides so for one thing file locking

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if two people have the same file open and they both try to save it at the same

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time you're going to end up with a conflict so it has Protections in place

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that well lower performance SMB also

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uses the TCP protocol for communication which compared to just plugging a drive

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directly in your system is much higher latency which makes it totally

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unsuitable for booting your system off of I mean you could run Windows over SMB

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in the same way that you could run Windows off of an SD card but we've

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shown you guys that it's really not a very good idea now let's talk about Sin

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this is more like taking your drive or your 96 drives and slicing them up into

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10 pieces or 20 or 50 pieces you take

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those pieces and you allocate them to VMS or bare metal servers or

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workstations or whatever you want and unlike SMB they are getting Block Level

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access to that storage obviously there's

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still a performance penalty from using shared storage because if some other

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client is hitting the exact same drive as you well that head's got to seek

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right but by building gigantic arrays by

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filling them full of high performance drives these run at 15

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000 RPM that is more than double even a performance consumer Drive theoretically

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you can mitigate a lot of those performance concerns also because you're

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not using tcpip you guys I'm assuming we're just plugged in using like iSCSI

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over Ethernet yeah you're using a completely different protocol the same

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one that you would be using with a direct attached Drive sort of sort of

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sort of we don't actually discussion desktops anymore but you get the point

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making for a connection that is so low latency that those computers have no

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idea they don't just have a drive in them and under ideal conditions your

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performance could actually be better I mean your bandwidth is going to be

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limited by your Ethernet connection but say for example you were hitting a huge

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data set with a ton of random reads and writes this would absolutely slay a hard

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drive that's just plugged into your computer I mean look at it

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yeah look at it we got to get this thing out of here

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yeah yes it is and we actually brought

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some for you guys as well so hope you enjoy them they're great for everything

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from building PCS to you know adjusting

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the cabinets in your kitchen to well really anything a screwdriver does

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and three for you he made fun of me for being short

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what the hell is wrong with you another advantage of a sin is reliability

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individual drives can fail I already mentioned that but if it's in a device

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like this there's all kinds of redundancy in place to keep your entire

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operation from grinding to a halt for starters this is cool our controller

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isn't actually one computer it's two computers ah here we go

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that are working together in such a way that if one of them goes

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down the whole system stays up and pretty much every aspect of this system

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is architected just like that for example the drives themselves are dual

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interface drives meaning that two separate controllers freaking wild can

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plug into this drive at the same time meaning that if your controller dies so

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that is the actual card inside the j-bod that's plugged into this drive there

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separate controller that's also plugged into this drive then there's the fact

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that there's all these drives right so they're obviously running some kind of I

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mean this is what NetApp so some kind of proprietary raid oh you guys are raid

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tended that's wild you guys could lose literally half of these drives before

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you'd lose any data assuming they failed optimally or you could lose an entire

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j-bod but that would be pretty hard because let's go look at the J bonds

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everything is so cool each of them has not one not two not three but four

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flipping power supplies and I'm willing to bet you could lose two of these

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before you would actually lose power to this thing oh it would have to be the

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optimal too though it would have to be this one and this one or this one and

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this one not this one and this one by the look of things we haven't actually

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opened these up yet we'll have to do that back at the office we got to get out of these fine folks hair very soon

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here wait a second

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now hold on a second why is there an RC

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car battery in here what the TR oh that makes sense because

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this is running old school Hardware raid so you've got a big fat RAID controller

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on this card right here and then you've got a battery backup so

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that if there's any data in flight and the server loses power it can store it

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temporarily uh on the RAM cache so that

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yeah this RAM is actually installed on the rate card so if there's any data in

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Flight there that's a right cache it'll flush it to the disk once power is

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restored hilarious the presence of the

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controller in the head unit means I might be wrong about the Dual controller

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thing I said earlier about these j-bods

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it's empty oh I get it this is a placeholder

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sbb2 blank do not leave it empty

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it's probably a cooling uh airflow routing issue

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oh I did oh my God what this is only a

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580 watt power supply are you kidding me we literally have power supplies and

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servers that are this big they're like a thousand thirteen hundred what that oh

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okay yeah so not very dense

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compensating for something foreign

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something to note is all the hard drives we transport on this thing are probably

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toast there's that that anecdotal thing where some big Silicon Valley company

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moved a bunch of drives like across the park was it IBM yeah moved a bunch of

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drives across the parking lot and then like 30 of them failed within the next

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couple months or something I forget the numbers on solid casters so they switched to using like rubber chunky

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tires and that's fine yeah this uh that was also a really long time ago so it's

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probably that hard drive Tech has gotten better these drives are a really long

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time ago there's other benefits of sand that I haven't even touched on yet for

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administrators having all your storage in one place is great for both

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maintaining security within your organization and maintaining your

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backups so instead of having backups flying around on the network all the

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time packups are just done from drive to

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drive so fast hey Jamie hey

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awesome that is very heavy yeah it's not too bad though okay all of which raises

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a really big question with all these benefits of sand why is

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it that I've been so dismissive of the technology every time someone has

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suggested that Linus Media Group should use it it certainly would have saved us

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a lot of hours replacing drives or Imaging Windows just stupid it busy work

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but that actually leads us into why we've never used one until you reach a

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certain size of organization to the point where you've got people dedicated

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on site who understand the architecture and can maintain it a sand can actually

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add more complexity and more work than

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it will save you compared to a Nas and for us because all of our editors work

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on the same project sometimes at different stages in the editing pipeline

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having individual storage pools that then they would transfer projects from

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one to the next actually more efficient so for us Nas is

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still the way but that doesn't mean that sand doesn't

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still have a place a modern sand might have multiple tiers so for example you

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could have a high speed flash sand that is the boot drives for all of your

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system or that you could allocate storage from for a high performance

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applications like running a database or running simulations on giant data sets

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then it would have logic built in that takes data that's not being frequently

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accessed and demotes it to lower speed magnetic storage or after that

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eventually essentially archives it to a

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tape Library just because these are kind of outdated units doesn't mean that the

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concept of having all of your storage centralized is outdated at all and in

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fact we saw a deployment like this when we checked out sfu's supercomputer a

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couple of years ago I mean the sand thing really is just describing how the

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clients connect to it I know that's why people getting so upset at us for not

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running a sand I mean I haven't even gotten into the maintenance contracts

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because we could have a sand that's just

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our server running iSCSI yeah just running true Nas scale with in

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connecting with iSCSI hey it's a sand in fact we will probably set that up for

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the land machines at my house when we eventually put in those one new language

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not every computer in your house you already have 10 gig to everything why not every computer in the office iSCSI

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is easy enough to set up but you could probably do it yourself with a couple

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tutorials on YouTube and you could use your Nas

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to just use part of your storage in a sand type of configuration

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it's really just about the connection so these are nothing special then

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yeah I mean the controller I don't even know if we can like just install Linux

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on it it might be very yeah do you guys know I could you just

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like install like Ubuntu on that controller no yeah it's probably pretty locked down

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yeah and that's not the only thing about this

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that is kind of locked down these are SAS drives you wouldn't find

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15 000 RPM SATA drives and SAS has some

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advantages for Enterprise use but it has some disadvantages for one thing I can't

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just take these drives and plug them into a random SATA controller on a

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motherboard say to controllers can't talk to them however that doesn't

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necessarily mean that these j-bods are totally useless to us we use almost all

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SATA drives some SAS controllers will

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talk to SATA drives so these are e-waste

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these might not be I mean we could also just get SAS drives

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oh they're so expensive how many clients did you guys have running off of this

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thing uh we had 10 uh dell servers

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running VMware oh okay so these didn't serve any

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workstations or anything like that it was just all for those servers all for

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those servers of course some file sharing but it was mainly all through the VMS

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that makes sense oh that's something I didn't even mention earlier just because

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you have a San doesn't mean you don't also have nasas so in this case the San

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acted as storage for a file server that

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could then act as a Nas for all the other clients on the network neat right

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they're offering us more stuff hold on a second hold on vending machines

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boardroom tables is that pool table available no one of the guys got it on

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our internal draw ah ooh that seems unlikely my goodness

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I'm afraid that my epeen is simply not

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large enough to contain this table so I'll tell you what Jake what between you

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and me Yvonne and I are thinking of moving again okay we're gonna move into a real

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Mansion this time I'm thinking this dining room table

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okay bubble embed a bunch of Technology I want I want literally get to put

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stackers in the garage I want little pop-up screens at every place thing or

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like little like iPad holders we're not putting a stacker in my garage

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and we're not moving he says it but just wait we were trying

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to find drives for this thing because it has a different block size so are they

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forwarded by them and people have reformatted them so they'll work on a PC

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but you can't go back yet another reason

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to all of those who have asked why I never just bought a proper sand

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Appliance oh okay I'm coming here comes the wreck

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Here Comes The Rock boys how exactly were you guys planning to

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put the wreck in here it looks a little tall it's gonna stick out a bunch and

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then you have the straps holding it oh okay okay can you hold that yeah you

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hold the cart I got these oh god well no no I we should each take

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an end okay no no I mean really can you okay I

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don't workplace injury it's just me okay

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yeah you all right okay yeah

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on the one hand we got five thousand

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dollars worth of equipment for a thousand dollars on the other hand they

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admitted when we were leaving that they had no idea it was listed for five

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thousand dollars it was apparently supposed to be listed for five hundred dollars

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ah did he say that yeah what yeah oh I I

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didn't hear him say 500 yeah oh but but

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they also gave us a bunch of stuff that otherwise would have ended up being e-wasted we got a couple of pretty

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decent pdus we got the rack which is worth way more

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than 500 bucks for the right buyer I mean and the the disc shelves are worth

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at least a thousand bucks too oh yeah probably a thousand bucks at U.S not bad

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