WEBVTT 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:10.480 back in december of 2015 we threw together a budget eight core gaming pc 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:12.719 for under 150 bucks for the CPU RAM and 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:16.720 motherboard that is still a great deal almost two years later and we were able 00:00:15.040 --> 00:00:20.800 to do this thanks to a couple of things one high-end workstation and server 00:00:19.119 --> 00:00:25.840 equipment is often ahead of the technology curve in certain ways like 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:32.239 multi-core processors and two the way that businesses upgrade their it 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:35.200 gear on a regular cycle can lead to big 00:00:32.239 --> 00:00:40.000 jumps in the supply of this older tech on sites like ebay where the pricing 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:44.079 often ends up much lower than mainstream hardware because it's less familiar to 00:00:42.399 --> 00:00:48.719 the average consumer and nobody's searching for it 00:00:45.440 --> 00:00:51.920 so we thought to ourselves well 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:54.320 now eight core cpus are like mainstream 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:59.600 so how do we take this concept to another level 00:00:56.160 --> 00:01:02.640 let's build the most badass machine 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:04.320 possible using decommissioned server 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:07.040 gear what could go wrong 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:17.439 nothing could go wrong by visiting our merch store which has shirts hats and 00:01:16.240 --> 00:01:23.439 more it even has stickers there's a link below 00:01:21.040 --> 00:01:26.880 so this video has actually been ongoing since uh 00:01:25.360 --> 00:01:31.520 mid-may i mean what the crap how difficult could it be 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:34.640 to source some junky old stuff on ebay and slap it 00:01:33.600 --> 00:01:41.840 together it's story time so way back then Anthony and i was like 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:46.960 way early on in his employment here even we sat down and we first looked for the 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:53.280 biggest baddest motherboard we could possibly find on ebay the most sockets 00:01:50.399 --> 00:01:56.000 the most memory slots the most actual 00:01:54.399 --> 00:02:02.719 physical size and we settled on this 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:05.520 the super micro h8q g6 f designed for 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:09.599 the proprietary swtx form factor it checked all the boxes 00:02:08.720 --> 00:02:15.040 four g34 CPU sockets 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:21.120 32 dimm slots for up to a terabyte of ecc registered ddr3 memory multiple pci 00:02:18.480 --> 00:02:26.080 express slots and even an onboard lsi sas controller this thing is in another 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:31.200 league look at all those connectors and yes those are fans on the chipsets 00:02:29.440 --> 00:02:35.599 plural chipsets speaking of which the i o includes three 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:38.720 Ethernet ports so two gigabit for data and another one for ipmi which is a 00:02:37.440 --> 00:02:43.360 remote management interface you can learn more about here 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:48.080 next up then choosing a CPU or rather four of them as we pointed out 00:02:46.239 --> 00:02:54.080 in our hundred and fifty dollar gaming rig video top of the line skus for even 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:59.280 very old servers are still being sold at a premium but 00:02:55.599 --> 00:03:00.640 drop down a few tears and 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:08.000 there we go the opteron 6276 00:03:03.519 --> 00:03:09.120 with 16 cores each can be had for 30 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:16.080 bucks so we snatched up four of those then we 00:03:12.480 --> 00:03:19.440 grabbed a case lot of 16 4 gig sticks of 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:23.120 ecc registered memory giving us quad 00:03:19.440 --> 00:03:28.720 channel memory for each of our four 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:29.760 cpus that's like 16 channels of memory 00:03:28.720 --> 00:03:35.120 so then at this point we were ready to rip up the performance charts right 00:03:33.519 --> 00:03:39.440 not really so not only is this motherboard a crazy 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:43.599 form factor that wouldn't even begin to fit in any case or test bench we have 00:03:41.200 --> 00:03:49.760 here at the office we also needed to track down a power supply with three eps 00:03:47.040 --> 00:03:55.040 12 volt connectors in order to supply power to all of these bloody cpus i mean 00:03:52.720 --> 00:03:59.360 even the highest end consumer units only come with two such cables at most 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:04.560 so what we ended up doing was frankensteining together the cables from 00:04:01.920 --> 00:04:08.480 two modular units onto one success 00:04:06.480 --> 00:04:15.439 so then with that issue solved we plugged it all in and powered it up 00:04:11.319 --> 00:04:18.320 and blank screen the board wasn't 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:20.720 posting now the cpus are on the supported list 00:04:19.840 --> 00:04:26.639 so what gives well we ended up shelving it and waiting 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:30.560 a couple of months for a slightly stripped down version of the same board 00:04:28.880 --> 00:04:34.240 it lacks the sas controller in a few PCIe slots so that's a bummer but it'll 00:04:33.520 --> 00:04:42.240 do at least it came with some 8 core optron 6128s already installed so we were able 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:47.440 to use those to fire it up verify it was working then swap our 16 cores in and 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:52.560 what okay i'm going to skip the long version 00:04:49.840 --> 00:04:56.800 here and it turns out that despite the BIOS reporting that it was the latest 00:04:54.720 --> 00:05:00.960 revision it was not 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:05.680 so a desperation BIOS flash later and we were finally in business 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:09.280 on an unrelated note anyone want to buy an unexpectedly functional quad socket 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:12.479 optiron board anyone bueller 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:19.280 bueller bueller oh right no uh you want to see how it 00:05:15.840 --> 00:05:22.479 performs first huh well with a whopping 00:05:19.280 --> 00:05:24.880 64 cores we put it straight head to head 00:05:22.479 --> 00:05:29.360 with ryzen threadripper and Intel's latest core i9 i mean this thing's gonna 00:05:27.440 --> 00:05:33.759 win with its eyes closed and one hand behind it's back in the multi-threaded 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:36.840 tests right we'll get to those but first let's address the elephant in the video 00:05:35.520 --> 00:05:40.960 title gaming it sucks 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:47.120 mike let me make this abundantly clear 00:05:43.520 --> 00:05:48.639 this is a 1080 ti running at 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:53.600 1080p so if you've ever wondered what a 00:05:50.160 --> 00:05:55.759 bottleneck looks like this is it 00:05:53.600 --> 00:06:01.520 rise of the tomb raider and directx 12 got 10 percent of the performance of the 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:04.080 core i7 7700k 10 00:06:01.520 --> 00:06:08.720 and it's even worse in cs go i mean at least it was only half as bad in 3dmark 00:06:06.479 --> 00:06:13.440 and unigine's superposition but i mean if super micro is to be 00:06:10.479 --> 00:06:17.199 believed this is or at least was a machine that was designed to do work 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:20.639 not games so will it blend 00:06:19.280 --> 00:06:25.919 actually yeah in blender it's 3d rendering prowess 00:06:23.919 --> 00:06:32.560 doesn't put it quite on the level of threadripper or core i9 but it handily 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:35.360 outdoes the ryzen 7 1800x for roughly 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:40.319 the same overall system cost unsurprisingly cinebench and 7-zip show 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:46.560 similar results but a lack of avx-2 support and relatively 00:06:43.840 --> 00:06:50.479 low cash per core hinders its high core count significantly compared to its more 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:56.080 modern competition even in these multi-threaded workloads 00:06:54.160 --> 00:07:01.599 and there is more to buying a CPU than just performance too so we tested our 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:03.039 thermals with some Noctua nff12s just 00:07:01.599 --> 00:07:05.840 sitting on top of the heatsinks that were included with our board and 00:07:04.880 --> 00:07:11.919 actually this wasn't bad each CPU hit only 55 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:18.720 degrees at the worst in ida 64. as for that power draw 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:22.720 nelly wow that's a number that only gets 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:25.759 trumped by our overclocked 18 core core 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:29.039 i9 7980xe extreme edition 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:33.120 though in fairness this is 64 cores 00:07:29.039 --> 00:07:34.880 across four cpus so bottom line then um 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:39.360 fun experiment but did we get our money's worth well given that we bought 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:43.680 two boards by accident no no we didn't but let's play a game where 00:07:41.280 --> 00:07:48.800 we pretend we didn't do that for gaming this setup is super dumb 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:52.720 but for productivity it actually doesn't look that bad 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:56.639 even though it is at the bottom of our charts like so all in we paid about 00:07:55.520 --> 00:08:00.319 eighteen hundred and eighty eight dollars for this ghetto workstation as 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:05.520 spec using a motherboard box as an open bench 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:10.560 style case now as soon as you buy modern hardware like a 1080 ti the 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:16.479 bottlenecking of that high-end gear hurts your overall system value but 00:08:13.520 --> 00:08:20.560 if all you wanted was CPU performance and you just put like a five dollar 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:24.879 graphics card in then our system here actually delivers better value than 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:28.879 ryzen threadripper and if we had weighted our testing more towards 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:34.240 blender we'd have seen an even better price to performance ratio this actually 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